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An open letter to President V.V. Putin

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Dear Vladimir Vladimirovich!

At the airport of the city of Kazan there was another plane crash with a large number of casualties. An American-made aircraft crashed during landing. This makes you turn back to you as the guarantor of the constitutional rights of citizens of the Russian Federation. In particular - the right to life. For many years, it has obviously been ignored by high-ranking civil servants, whose direct responsibility is to provide Russian airlines with reliable new domestic aircraft.

To this end, in particular, the United Aircraft Building Corporation (UAC) and JSC were established “Ilyushin Finance Co.". The first included the majority aviation design bureaus and aircraft factories. The charter of the second states that it is created to help in the production and implementation of Russian civil aircraft.

Unfortunately, the KLA, led by Pogosyan MA, not only did not start the production of civil airliners. His efforts were criminally disrupted the production of short-haul aircraft Tu-334, received in the 2005 year, all the necessary documents for its operation. They ignored the order of the government and yours personally at the beginning of serial production. Instead, according to various estimates, many tens of billions of rubles were spent for the design and production of aircraft. "Dry Superjet 100". He never found a place for himself in the Russian sky due to the well-known deficiencies of specialists. One Superjet crashed in Indonesia with foreign customers aboard. Another one lay destroyed near the airport runway Reykjavik (Iceland), like a gravestone monument.

Meanwhile besides Tu-33410, ready for flight operation for years, has just received all airworthiness certificates for medium-range aircraft Tu-204 CM. Its reliability is indicated by the fact that airplanes of this type are used in the presidential flight squad and in the interests of the Russian Defense Ministry. But this aircraft, for which the Ulyanovsk Aviastar aircraft factory is ready for serial production, remains unavailable to Russian airlines for Poghosian’s efforts. The KLA led by him winds up a 30% mark-up. Can't be said about foreign-made airplanes, including flight trash, like the one that crashed in Kazan Boeing 737.

A few words about Ilyushin Finance. It is characterized by such an eloquent fact. At the beginning of this year, Ilyushin Finance management was forced to conclude a contract in Canada for the purchase and operation of Canadian 32 aircraft in Russia Bombardier CS300, although they did not pass even flight tests. The transaction took place in the presence of Minister of Industry and Trade D. Manturov.

Against this background, a severe crisis continues to develop in the civil aviation industry of the Russian Federation. Its main reason is that the industry is managed by people who either have obviously criminal intentions or who do not understand anything in the subject. For example, the head of the UAC, M. Pogosyan, was previously engaged only in military aviation. Civil airliners were clearly beyond his power. He created an almost family structure. Sukhoi Civil Aircraft (GSS), which to no avail mastered hundreds of billions of rubles. At the same time, the world-famous design bureaus of Tupolev and Ilyushin, which released hundreds and thousands of civilian aircraft into the sky, were simply humiliated, if not destroyed.

The appeal to you and the President of Tatarstan Rustam Minnikhanov, whose son Irek died in this terrible disaster, did not help either. Like its predecessor Mintimer Shaimiev, he insisted on the mass production of new civilian Tu-planes at idle facilities of the Kazan aircraft factory.

Thus, the disaster in Kazan and earlier in Perm of the same type of American aircraft could not be. It was enough for 10 years ago to launch new domestic liners into mass production. That never happened. In the Russian sky today flies to 750 used foreign-made aircraft, and their number continues to grow. At the same time, it is known that almost nothing comes directly from American and European conveyors. The same applies to spare parts. Often it is the restored parts. On the scale says such a fact. To maintain the airworthiness of these aircraft, Russian airlines spend about a month 200 million dollars. Therefore, the price of air tickets in Russia is the highest in the world.

Unfortunately, being already prime minister, and DA Medvedev failed to deal with the real state of affairs in the civil aviation industry. Messrs. Poghosyan and Manturov received his signature on the civil aircraft industry development program, which does not take into account anything that could save both the industry and thousands of human lives. In it there was no place nor KB them. Tupolev nor KB them. Ilyushin. Only phantoms, more than half consisting of foreign components, like the same "Superjet".

Dear Vladimir Vladimirovich! We still have time to fix it. It is enough to listen to the expert opinion, which can be developed in the shortest possible time, and restore order in the industry. If you consult with political parties about the candidacy of the governor or the mayor, then why not listen to professional aircraft designers and manufacturers of civil aircraft, having appointed a professional specialist to head the UAC. Otherwise, you will continue to be deceived by professional "phelers from the aviation industry", whose goal is to "master the budget", enrich themselves, and write off all failures to the world crisis. But there was no crisis in the global aircraft industry, and there never will be! For global manufacturers lined up a huge queue of aircraft buyers for the years ahead. Why did the Poghos-Manturov deprive our country of such privilege to the joy of competitors?

If urgent and necessary measures, first of all personnel, are not taken, then the blame for all future air crashes and human casualties will fall on the country's leadership. Only it has the power to stop the planned killing of people.

Hero of the Soviet Union, space pilot
Wolf Igor Petrovich;
Heroes of Russia, Honored Test Pilots of the Russian Federation:
Yesayan Ruben Tatevosovich,
Knyshov Anatoly Nikolaevich,
Matveyev Vladimir Nikolaevich,
Shchepetkov Oleg Adolfovich;
Hero of Russia, aerospace systems tester
Kiryushin Evgeny Aleksandrovich
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  1. Belogor
    Belogor 21 November 2013 07: 21
    60
    Correctly ditched their own, we fly on imported junk that have passed more than one hand.
    1. avant-garde
      avant-garde 21 November 2013 07: 25
      95
      Quote: Belogor
      Correctly ditched their own, we fly on imported junk that have passed more than one hand.

      The worst thing is that they started to drive the pilots, saying that when they didn’t enter the second round in real life, it’s easiest to blame the dead and say that the equipment was in order. May the earth be lost to the dead sad
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 21 November 2013 07: 35
        62
        Interestingly, it seems to me alone that planes do not accidentally crash with such passengers? I am sure that it was no accident that the plane crashed with Troshev.
        1. baltika-18
          baltika-18 21 November 2013 08: 38
          40
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          Interestingly, it seems to me alone that with such passengers planes do not accidentally fall

          Not for you alone. The son of the first person of Tatarstan and the head of the FSB of Tatarstan. Maybe an accident, or maybe not?
          1. APES
            APES 21 November 2013 08: 46
            28
            Quote: baltika-18
            Maybe chance, maybe not


            nothing just happens in this world.
          2. Nicholas C.
            Nicholas C. 21 November 2013 10: 16
            39
            being already the prime minister, and D.A. Medvedev did not manage to deal with the real state of things in the civilian aircraft industry


            Dimon iPhone is ruining everything that reaches out, crap everywhere. It's time to drive this character.
            1. killganoff
              killganoff 21 November 2013 18: 43
              -3
              Dimon in one team with Tupin.
            2. vjhbc
              vjhbc 21 November 2013 23: 51
              +6
              until it’s right, all malicious noblemen create locked up the king in a crystal box surrounded by crooked mirrors and do evil in Russia when the epic hero wakes up when he gets down from the oven and breaks up the crooked mirrors and frees the king from the crystal box so that the king priest sees all the evil done by his vile boyars
              Quote: Nikolai S.
              Dimon iPhone is ruining everything that reaches out, crap everywhere. It's time to drive this character.
            3. sasska
              sasska 23 November 2013 11: 19
              +7
              Of the reforms adopted over several years of Medvedev’s rule, almost all have been canceled. Look - privatization has stalled (I wonder, by whose will?), The promille for drivers has been returned (so that there is no doubt about kvass), the single card with the chip has been canceled. The main problem remains - time zone reform. It was 11 time zones, it became - only 9. Time can no longer be translated.
              They have no time to deal with business laws, but he is drawn to crap.
              1. andr327
                andr327 27 November 2013 09: 53
                0
                Light bulbs forgot!
            4. kryp456
              kryp456 25 May 2016 03: 10
              0
              he's a mafia. SUCH need to increase our capitalism and not the USSR
          3. goldfinger
            goldfinger 21 November 2013 10: 19
            39
            Neighbor Belarus.
            Quote: baltika-18
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            Interestingly, it seems to me alone that with such passengers planes do not accidentally fall

            Not for you alone. The son of the first person of Tatarstan and the head of the FSB of Tatarstan. Maybe an accident, or maybe not?

            Due to a catastrophic personnel shortage, the company was persuaded to retrain as pilots for navigators and flight engineers. That is how the crew members of the ill-fated Boeing, who made a flight from Moscow to Kazan on November 17, received piloting permissions. The aircraft commander Rustam Salikhov flew as a navigator until 2012, retrained at the Ulyanovsk Higher Aviation School of Civil Aviation, and was retrained for the Boeing at the S7 airline training center. In 2012, he entered into co-pilots, in May 2013 - into commanders.
            The co-pilot, Victor Gutsul, until 2012 flew as a flight engineer.
            Both Rustam and Victor became pilots after retirement, having gained experience, flying as a navigator and flight engineer. They were 47 years old.
            In 2010, the pilots were canceled "class." Previously, only class A pilots with at least 4 thousand hours of flight could carry passengers. Both Salikhov and Gutsul had about half of this norm as pilots. And it is not their fault that they were at the helm of the Boeing on November 17th. This is their tragedy. And the tragedy of passengers. And their near and dear ones. Who today do not even have the opportunity to bury the dead according to Christian and Muslim traditions. After a fall, explosion and a six-hour fire, it will be very difficult even to identify the dead.
            Strange as it may seem, the causes of the explosion and fire are a consequence of the financial insolvency of Tatarstan Airlines. Today, the company's debts have grown to 2,8 billion rubles. Of these, 450 million airlines owe the Kazan International Airport. It was because of huge debts that Kazan Airport stopped refueling Tatarstan aircraft. Therefore, all the airplanes flying, for example, to Moscow, were refueled in the capital. Moreover, they poured so much fuel into the tanks that it was enough for the return flight. At the time of the crash on November 17, the tanks of the ill-fated Boeing were about nine tons of fuel.
            On November 17, a Bombardier CRJ plane was to fly from Moscow to Kazan (Tatarstan leases it from Ak Bars Aero). The Boeing, which flew from Kazan to Yerevan and back in the morning and immediately flew to Moscow, had to “settle” at Domodedovo airport until morning. But shortly before departure, it turned out that two business class passengers had checked in for the flight. And the 50-seat Bombardier CRJ is not equipped with a business class cabin. Having learned that the son of the President of Tatarstan and the head of the Tatarstan department of the FSB were flying to Kazan, the management of the Tatarstan airline urgently replaced the Bombardier CRJ with a Boeing. It would be funny if it weren't so scary. It is called - caved in. They ditched VIP passengers, and they even fastened 42 people to them, who were supposed to fly on the Bombardier.
            1. es.d
              es.d 21 November 2013 16: 51
              +6
              Quote: goldfinger
              But shortly before the flight, it turned out that two business class passengers had checked in for the flight. And the 50-seater Bombardier CRJ is not equipped with a business class lounge. Upon learning that the son of the president of Tatarstan and the head of the Tatarstan department of the FSB are flying to Kazan

              I understand everything, really Woe ... But. Who are the VIPs? Major and fez? Together in the cabin? Didn’t you accidentally enter the cockpit? Somehow the voice recorder was lost ...
              My sincere condolences to the family of the dead.
            2. vezunchik
              vezunchik 23 November 2013 21: 52
              +3
              An aircraft factory was destroyed in Saratov, and they fly on such junk ... wait for trouble ...
              1. slovak007
                slovak007 24 November 2013 18: 42
                +4
                In Samara, too, collapsed. And they did the Tu-154.
            3. Basarev
              Basarev 24 November 2013 18: 16
              +2
              They would fly better on airships. Even with the crash of Hindenburg, two-thirds were saved.
            4. Aleksey_K
              Aleksey_K 26 November 2013 13: 57
              0
              You don’t have to fly for a long time. On take-off tanks for reliability. And then wait a long time, and they can make an emergency landing earlier than the terrorist attack. Unlike the version of premeditated murder. Yes, all this is expensive and unreliable. Simpler and cheaper - a sniper with a sniper rifle.
          4. Revolver
            Revolver 21 November 2013 11: 22
            24
            Quote: baltika-18
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            Interestingly, it seems to me alone that with such passengers planes do not accidentally fall

            Not for you alone. The son of the first person of Tatarstan and the head of the FSB of Tatarstan. Maybe an accident, or maybe not?

            The pilot deliberately gave the steering column "away"? It’s hard to believe somehow, unless he had a desire to commit suicide. negative
            But in fact the letter - everything is true. I add - with all due respect to the Boeing company, I would not have sat down in even the latest Boeing model that was operated in Africa, Latin America, or China and related underdeveloped Asian countries for at least a couple of years.
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        3. Alez
          Alez 21 November 2013 09: 00
          23
          There is a film about a sniper with Wahlberg, an idea was expressed there, if you want to kill your face and cover your tracks, you need to kill him next to the president. Then everyone will think that the primary goal is the president.
        4. APES
          APES 21 November 2013 09: 01
          12
          Kind!

          Quote: Ingvar 72
          with Troshev plane


          Confident on 100%
        5. IRBIS
          IRBIS 21 November 2013 10: 21
          +7
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          I am sure that it was no accident that the plane crashed with Troshev.

          Sorry, but who needed Troshev? What is so outstanding he did? Why would anyone have to fix it, all the more in this way?
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 21 November 2013 10: 29
            16
            Quote: IRBIS
            Sorry, but who needed Troshev? What is so outstanding he made

            And what, the fighting general, enjoying authority in the troops, could not prevent anyone?
            1. IRBIS
              IRBIS 21 November 2013 18: 31
              -8
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              battle general

              ????????????????????????????????? Are you judging by the "Notes of the Trench General"? Why the hell did he become "fighting"? Was he driving divisions in attacks? Oh yes, I completely forgot, because it was he who commanded one of the columns that were destroyed on New Year's Eve. Normally he commanded ... At a safe distance from the column ...
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              respected

              What is using, excuse me? About the dead - either good or nothing. Therefore, nothing ...
              1. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 21 November 2013 19: 00
                +7
                Quote: IRBIS
                Did he lead divisions into attacks? Oh yes, I completely forgot, because it was he who commanded one of the columns that were destroyed on New Year's Eve.

                Sasha, the times of Chapai have already passed, the generals no longer go with hostility. TAM itself was not, but the guys who fought speak well of it. hi
                1. Basarev
                  Basarev 24 November 2013 18: 23
                  -5
                  A true combat general must personally lead the divisions into the attack and fight in the front row - remember Dmitry Donskoy.
            2. kryp456
              kryp456 25 May 2016 03: 12
              0
              Troshev is the conscience of the army
            3. kryp456
              kryp456 25 May 2016 03: 12
              0
              Troshev is the conscience of the army
          2. Grishka100watt
            Grishka100watt 21 November 2013 10: 34
            +8
            Sorry, but who needed Troshev? What is so outstanding he did? Why would anyone have to fix it, all the more in this way?

            Well, in the Caucasus he had enough enemies, I think. And the method is cruel and resonant, just in their style.
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 21 November 2013 11: 07
              +7
              Quote: Grishka100watt
              Well, in the Caucasus he had enough enemies, I think. And the method is cruel and resonant, just in their style.

              Most likely this is not a Caucasian trace. The authorities are always afraid of too respected military men. And not without reason. hi
              1. max702
                max702 21 November 2013 12: 25
                +5
                It seems that one of the worthy generals remained alone Shamanov alive, although he had already fallen into a severe accident ...
                1. ivshubarin
                  ivshubarin 21 November 2013 13: 17
                  +2
                  The special forces of the Airborne Forces sent shamans to the bandit's son-in-law on the "shooters", very worthwhile.
                  1. Grishka100watt
                    Grishka100watt 21 November 2013 13: 31
                    23
                    The special forces of the Airborne Forces sent shamans to the bandit's son-in-law on the "shooters", very worthwhile.

                    Amazing website. Everyone in shit is smeared. The most worthy people, one must understand, are sitting here.
                    1. nickname 1 and 2
                      nickname 1 and 2 22 November 2013 16: 42
                      0
                      Quote: Grishka100watt
                      Everyone in shit is smeared. The most worthy people, one must understand, are sitting here.



                      This is a shop! (at the entrance) Remember A. Raikin ....

                      Z.Y. and RUSSIA! however, not only we have this ....

                      because it’s not a shame because it is not visible ....
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                  2. Kolovrat77
                    Kolovrat77 21 November 2013 14: 37
                    +6
                    Wow, what you say is very interesting, I would like to know the number of fighters, weapons, vehicles, uniforms and which unit was alerted to the "arrow".
                    1. alone
                      alone 21 November 2013 21: 21
                      +1
                      Quote: Kolovrat77
                      Wow, what you say is very interesting, I would like to know the number of fighters, weapons, vehicles, uniforms and which unit was alerted to the "arrow".


                      6 IL-76 aircraft with a full special forces landing force, 40 BMD-2, non-s division. wassat
                      1. Thunderbolt
                        Thunderbolt 21 November 2013 23: 50
                        0
                        Cuban_________________________________________
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                  3. avg
                    avg 21 November 2013 16: 24
                    +5
                    Serdyukov specialists from the GRU at bailiffs released, and nothing, in the "Russian Technologies" razrulivaet. Apparently, they have such a hobby.yes
                  4. Zerstorer
                    Zerstorer 24 November 2013 10: 57
                    +1
                    I understand the arrow with you? (joke). Where did the information come from?
                2. Ingvar 72
                  Ingvar 72 21 November 2013 13: 40
                  +6
                  Quote: max702
                  The shamans are alive, although he already got into a serious accident ..

                  The accident occurred after the leadership of the Airborne Forces began to resent the Serdyukovsky plans to reduce airborne forces.
                3. Basarev
                  Basarev 24 November 2013 18: 24
                  0
                  Kalashnikov is the same.
              2. Vasek
                Vasek 21 November 2013 18: 20
                +2
                also Lebed: "accidentally" ... in a plane crash ...
                1. IRBIS
                  IRBIS 21 November 2013 18: 35
                  11
                  Quote: Vasek
                  also Lebed: "accidentally" ... in a plane crash ...

                  It was generally necessary to smother a pillow in childhood. Judah, sold out for a piece of domineering bread, all dreamed of becoming president ...
            2. Fin
              Fin 21 November 2013 13: 42
              +1
              Quote: Grishka100watt
              Well, in the Caucasus he had enough enemies, I think. And the method is cruel and resonant, just in their style.

              If you remember, in that case, according to the version, the pilot confused the railway lights with the runway lights. Is it strange? Unclear.
              1. Grishka100watt
                Grishka100watt 21 November 2013 13: 48
                +1
                Of course it’s strange. But this is a version, we don’t know how and what was there. In addition, I do not exclude that this was an accidental tragedy. I just reminded the person that Troshev had enough enemies.
                1. IRBIS
                  IRBIS 21 November 2013 18: 40
                  0
                  Quote: Grishka100watt
                  I just reminded the person that Troshev had enough enemies.

                  He had no enemies. Enemies were among those who did something directly, and Troshev only handed out interviews, putting his foot on the trophy "Cliff", which was constantly dragged behind him.
                  By his decision, he stopped several special operations, while listening to the complaints of the elders and not listening to the arguments about the presence in the area of ​​the leaders of the militants and other odious seams.
          3. fzr1000
            fzr1000 21 November 2013 11: 41
            +1
            Take a look at the list of members of the Government and ministers of the Chechen Republic, as well as the Chechen oligarchs, and the list of members of the Government and ministers of the Russian Federation (both past and present). Somewhere out there, you have to look.
            And the method of elimination is a demonstration of strength and capabilities, as well as intimidation.
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 21 November 2013 12: 10
              +1
              Quote: fzr1000
              And the method of elimination is a demonstration of strength and capabilities, as well as intimidation.

              They would have wanted to scare, would have fallen like Budanova, and not like that, by accident.
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          4. V. Salama
            V. Salama 23 November 2013 00: 28
            +1
            Quote: IRBIS
            Why did anyone have to ...

            If you strain, you can remember that he began to talk very seditiously a lot, and he knew many different surnames, time appeared - he began to analyze, compare facts, make conclusions unnecessary. He could have published his memoirs.
        6. velikoros-xnumx
          velikoros-xnumx 21 November 2013 11: 00
          +4
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          Interestingly, it seems to me alone that planes do not accidentally crash with such passengers? I am sure that it was no accident that the plane crashed with Troshev.

          Like many other "uncomfortable" people, for example, "peace dove" Samantha Smith.
        7. starshina78
          starshina78 21 November 2013 11: 45
          21
          In my opinion, there is no connection with Troshev! By - simply fly to the trash. In Soviet times, I flew a lot. To Kamchatka, Magadan, Yakutsk, Vladivostok and Khabarovsk. On IL - 62, IL - 18. The most reliable aircraft in the world. Look at the statistics and compare with the same Boeings and Airbuses. Foreign companies just bought our aviation officials and that's it. Our aircraft building of civil ships is in one place below the back, and these are in favor! It's time to stop this. It all depends on the will of the first person in the state. And it means that everything suits him, since until now nothing has changed. And drive Poghosyan with a filthy broom!
        8. Slavs
          Slavs 27 November 2013 18: 33
          0
          And I believe that Troshev was not killed in a random plane crash ...
      2. APES
        APES 21 November 2013 08: 42
        +3
        Quote: avant-garde
        The worst


        will come to the point that they will start flying by "pull" - only by acquaintance - at least with some kind of guarantee to fly.
      3. vladimirZ
        vladimirZ 21 November 2013 09: 03
        39
        If urgent and necessary measures, primarily personnel ones, are not taken, then the blame for all future plane crashes and human casualties will fall on the country's leadership. (from the letter)


        And the blame for the crash and so on the leadership of the state, if anyone did not know.
        Who destroyed the CIVIL AVIATION SYSTEM in Russia? The highest state power!
        The supreme liberal authorities of Russia (Yeltsin, Gaidar, Chubais) destroyed the civil aviation of the state by privatizing the once unified state aviation company Aeroflot for hundreds of airlines.
        The aircraft fleet handed out to hundreds of enterprises, having taken off a resource, ceased to exist, since the newly-formed owners did not have the finances not only to purchase new aircraft at the aircraft factories, but also to properly repair the remaining aircraft fleet.
        The era of used foreign aircraft, written off in US and Western airline campaigns in terms of flight safety, has replaced the exhausted Soviet aircraft.
        With the destruction of the unified civil aviation system, the Aeroflot repair base of dozens of aircraft repair plants was destroyed.
        The system of training civil aviation specialists was destroyed, once a unified educational network consisting of universities, secondary specialized educational institutions - GA schools, UTO systems (training units), a system of long-term training of pilots from small to large aircraft, from the second pilot to the first - the commander of the airship.
        Without a lack of orders and centralized funding for Aeroflot, the civil aircraft construction system, the Tupolev and Ilyushin design bureaus, and civilian aircraft plants were bent.
        Everything, after that a direct road was opened to the inevitable systematic air crashes in which people die.
        The crash in Kazan is not the first for these systemic reasons, and unfortunately not the last.
        There is no way out of this situation. The power of the liberals, despite the deaths of thousands of people, is not going to revive the unified system of civil aviation in Russia.
        They earn money on the blood and lives of people using aircraft written off for safety conditions and using random, poorly trained people as pilots.
        1. saturn.mmm
          saturn.mmm 21 November 2013 21: 18
          +1
          [quote = vladimirZ] [quote]
          And the blame for the crash and so on the leadership of the state, if anyone did not know.
          Who destroyed the CIVIL AVIATION SYSTEM in Russia? [/ quote]
          Causation is true in my opinion.
        2. voffchik7691
          voffchik7691 21 November 2013 21: 21
          +8
          And yesterday it was reported that the State Duma is preparing a bill to prohibit flights in Russia over 20 years old. Everything seems to be correct, but they will not write off a single Boeing under the guise, but they will write off all the aircraft that have remained since the time of the union. What they need! Remember how the next day they reported that Boeings would not be allowed to fly. But IL 86, which killed 30 people (crew) in only one disaster (over 6 years), the next day received a verdict - all IL 86 were joke. I do not call for the return of IL 86, but there is further development - IL 96!
      4. Grandson of Veteran
        Grandson of Veteran 21 November 2013 10: 54
        18
        ".. The worst thing is that the pilots have already begun to drive .."
        I am sorry for the relatives of the dead passengers and crew! Kingdom of Heaven!
        But! It has been publicly announced that the first pilot of the crew was a navigator all his flying life! It’s the same as driving a freight forwarder truck instead of a driver! No one directly blames the pilots - people who save (read, steal) money on the salary of an experienced pilot are to blame! Buy junk from the world's airborne demolitions! Make you save kerosene! Fucking merchants!
      5. voldmis
        voldmis 21 November 2013 11: 06
        +6
        Quote: avant-garde
        The worst thing is that they started to drive the pilots, saying that when they didn’t enter the second round in real life, it’s easiest to blame the dead and say that the equipment was in order.



        Well, someone must be to blame! Shouldn't the airline's management take over everything? And it was not a second-hand aircraft from Uganda that became the reason ... They thought, agreed and decided to blame the pilots ... We are quickly looking for the guilty. It's a shame for the pilots. For more than 20 years, people have conscientiously performed their duty. Probably, a little later they will "find out" that the pilot shouted "Allahu akbar" before landing. I'm not surprised at anything. Rest in peace to the lost
      6. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 21 November 2013 17: 17
        +4
        absolutely in solidarity with these respected people ... hi
      7. alone
        alone 21 November 2013 21: 17
        +1
        today they show off enough in front of the simulator and get a pilot’s certificate. earlier, in order to control the aircraft, they had to control the aircraft for the number of hours. that’s why they fall.
        the fact that the director of the FSB and the son of the president of Tatarstan were a lot of questions on the plane.
        and yet. I didn’t understand after watching the video of the fall. I can’t understand how a plane can land a runway at an angle of 75-80 degrees. Approximately, this is how the plane crashed. It is not clear.
      8. Sirocco
        Sirocco 22 November 2013 04: 57
        +3
        Quote: avant-garde
        The worst thing is that they started to drive the pilots,

        Sasha, I don’t agree with you here, judging by the comments of the passenger who flew to Moscow on this board, the jolting during the landing of the aircraft already indicated the incompetence of the pilots, there was clearly a problem with speed, and the wing mechanization either did not slow down or forgot to use the mechanization. In 2007, being in the UTC Koltsovo, when talking with teachers, I heard this news, as of August of that year, not a single application was filed for the pilot. They then said, another 5 years, and there will be no one to fly, they say, Gaster will fly from the Philippines, or China. As they looked into the water. I feel sorry for the pilots, even more sorry for the passengers who became victims, retrained (in order to save) flight engineers and navigators. The root of evil lies again in businessmen who examine us all through the prism of rustling banknotes. That passenger is the crew of the aircraft, for them it has long been expressed in monetary units.
      9. Bezarius
        Bezarius 25 November 2013 13: 59
        0
        In addition, they stated that the commission has no complaints about the aircraft, which has not had 100500 years, in general. Send this commission on a similar plane, but to the Far East.
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 21 November 2013 07: 30
      17
      Quote: Belogor
      They killed their right, we fly on imported junk.

      1. Who killed? Rhetorical question.
      2. Who buys imported junk? Maybe the very private companies that are in the pursuit of profit are ready to take everything that is flying and as cheap as possible. The letter should not be to Putin, but to those who manage the companies. They think that they are sitting and say profit, give us Russian planes , and it’s not the kopeics themselves who give for the production or design of new aircraft. It’s always easier to point the finger at the top.
      3. This letter will not change anything, simply because not tomorrow, not in a month we have nowhere to take new planes request
      1. kartalovkolya
        kartalovkolya 21 November 2013 07: 45
        34
        Dear Alexander, don't you think that the situation in the Aviation Industry is another proof of the country's loss of sovereignty? Everything is done to please competitors, by the hands of corrupt officials and the nouveau riche, and it seems that we will not wait for adequate actions from the Guarantor. And the commission will once again call the "human factor" the cause of the catastrophe, after all, as they say: "The dead have no shame!" their families!
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 21 November 2013 07: 51
          -19 qualifying.
          Quote: kartalovkolya
          Dear Alexander, do not you think that the situation in the Aviation Industry is yet another proof of the country's loss of sovereignty?

          Are you talking about the supply of new fighters to the Russian Air Force?
          Quote: kartalovkolya
          Everything is done for the sake of competitors, by the hands of corrupt officials and nouveau riche, but from the Guarantor it seems we will not wait for adequate action

          And Garant, what a wizard? Or, in your understanding, in a year or two you can create new aircraft, build workshops, grow new specialists and start producing aircraft in dozens? So I didn’t understand what side you saw the loss of sovereignty and what does it have to do with it.
          1. Under
            Under 21 November 2013 07: 56
            39
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            And Garant, what a wizard? Or in your understanding for a year or two

            2013 - 2000 = 13
            1. dark_65
              dark_65 21 November 2013 08: 02
              29
              A person has real power, a 13-normal period.
              Bears in the circus are already retiring for this period. If our Misha is not down, then who is he? And who is the chief of the training department?
              1. shpuntik
                shpuntik 21 November 2013 23: 30
                +3
                Colonel
                dark_65 (1) RU Today, 08:02 ↑
                A person has real power, a 13-normal period.
                Bears in the circus are already retiring for this period. If our Misha is not down, then who is he? And who is the chief of the training department?

                There are different bears: white, brown, white-breasted, baribals, and this one has a goat inside! We saw, but a bit late. Or slander again? what
                http://live4fun.ru/joke/565032
            2. shpuntik
              shpuntik 21 November 2013 08: 22
              15
              Avatar Corporal Aned RU Today, 07:56 ↑
              2013 - 2000 = 13

              2000-1993=7+13=20
              We think the same to El, he brought him by the hand, without an election.
              Elya himself, he was afraid, pressed on the rotten: "Vote with your heart", "Vote or you will lose", political strategists were notable in the Union, professionals.
            3. bomg.77
              bomg.77 21 November 2013 08: 31
              -32 qualifying.
              Quote: Anded
              2013 - 2000 = 13
              He did quite a few, and these senders of the letter try to forge that 334 until the corpses have cooled down. So say, strike the iron while it's hot.
              1. voffchik7691
                voffchik7691 21 November 2013 21: 48
                10
                Senders of the letter, if you forgot:
                Hero of the Soviet Union, cosmonaut Volk Igor Petrovich;
                Heroes of Russia, honored test pilots of the Russian Federation: Yesayan Ruben Tatevosovich,
                Knyshov Anatoly Nikolaevich, Matveev Vladimir Nikolaevich,
                Shchepetkov Oleg Adolfovich; Hero of Russia, aerospace systems tester
                Kiryushin Evgeny Aleksandrovich
                they in aviation understand more than all of us combined!
                Well, I really don’t know what you did for the Motherland - Have you tested 10 or even new types of aircraft, flew several times into space ?! If this is about you then I am silent !!!
                1. bomg.77
                  bomg.77 21 November 2013 22: 23
                  0
                  Quote: voffchik7691
                  Senders of the letter, if you forgot:
                  Hero of the Soviet Union, cosmonaut Volk Igor Petrovich;
                  Heroes of Russia, honored test pilots of the Russian Federation: Yesayan Ruben Tatevosovich,
                  Knyshov Anatoly Nikolaevich, Matveev Vladimir Nikolaevich,
                  Shchepetkov Oleg Adolfovich; Hero of Russia, aerospace systems tester
                  Kiryushin Evgeny Aleksandrovich
                  they in aviation understand more than all of us combined!
                  Well, I really don’t know what you did for the Motherland - Have you tested 10 or even new types of aircraft, flew several times into space ?! If this is about you then I am silent !!!
                  I’m not trying to belittle their merits. It’s just that they hurt at the wrong time. The problems of civil aviation did not arise yesterday, they could wait a bit.
            4. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 21 November 2013 08: 44
              -2
              Quote: Anded

              2013 - 2000 = 13

              And you do not remember what the budget of Russia was in 2000? But you didn’t forget for an hour that at that time the submarine base in Rybachy was on the verge of closure due to lack of money. I remind you that KNAAPO at that time lived only due to export, or rather survived. Write about 13 years when the country had nothing to pay pensions and salaries did not pay for the year. What are you talking about? T 50 URAAA, Superjet G ***, you have already decided what and when to write, although ***** ran shorter.
              1. Under
                Under 21 November 2013 08: 53
                25
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                although ***** ran shorter.

                You know better what and where you ran. And be so kind as not to respond to my posts - I despise dishonases, which means I don’t get any pleasure from talking to you. Yes, and your intellectual level wants to leave much to be desired.
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 21 November 2013 09: 45
                  +4
                  Quote: Anded
                  And be so kind as not to respond to my posts - I despise dishwashers,

                  Natalia advised you of what, I recommend not to put off until tomorrow wink
                2. Grishka100watt
                  Grishka100watt 21 November 2013 10: 57
                  0
                  You do not put commas in sentences, but write about the intellectual level. Phew.
              2. Garrin
                Garrin 21 November 2013 09: 17
                35
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                To write about 13 years when there was nothing to pay pensions in the country and salaries were not paid by the year. What are you talking about?

                Apparently, in the USSR for 13 years, factories destroyed after the Second World War, factories were restored and satellites began to put into orbit.
                1. bomg.77
                  bomg.77 21 November 2013 09: 56
                  -9
                  Quote: Garrin
                  Apparently, in the USSR for 13 years, factories destroyed after the Second World War, factories were restored and satellites began to put into orbit.
                  It was only for the country to work this way and to reach such heights since the seventeenth year and under the leadership of one party. There was no freedom of speech, the fifth column did not flourish, the country's wealth remained in the country, and in the end, Stalin had laws written down to style his leadership, but Putin will use such methods Everyone will immediately howl and again he will be bad! Putin does not shy from side to side and does not make sudden movements, he does everything in a consistent manner.
                  1. kris
                    21 November 2013 10: 04
                    18
                    Quote: bomg.77
                    Putin does not shy from side to side and does not make sudden movements, he does everything in a steady manner.

                    He is gradually ruining the country.
                    Putin is not stupid, he understands that if the collapse is sharply carried out, then together with his fellow swindlers will be swept away instantly by outraged people.
                    1. bomg.77
                      bomg.77 21 November 2013 10: 40
                      -5
                      Quote: kris
                      He is gradually ruining the country.
                      So far, Putin is only doing what is collecting the country after Yeltsin.
                      1. kris
                        21 November 2013 10: 53
                        +2
                        Quote: bomg.77
                        So far, Putin is only doing what is collecting the country after Yeltsin.

                        did you mean "collects for himself", buying off the Caucasus and bringing millions of Asians into the country?
                      2. bomg.77
                        bomg.77 21 November 2013 11: 17
                        +3
                        Who set fire to the Caucasus, not Yeltsin? Who let migrants in, that they took root, not Yeltsin? The problem is not even Asian migrants, but Caucasians, Russian citizens, Asians, they are hard workers for the most part and when they need to return home, but with the Caucasians you won’t drive them home since they are already at home in Russia, only the registration system is suitable here and limiters.
                      3. kris
                        21 November 2013 11: 25
                        +6
                        Quote: bomg.77
                        Who let migrants in, that they took root, not Yeltsin?

                        I will answer with a picture!
                        The number of labor migrants who received work permits in Russia (thousand people)
                        Illegal many times more.
                        Federal Law of 18 July 2006 of the year No. 110-ФЗ “On Amending the Federal Law“ On the Legal Status of Foreign Citizens in the Russian Federation ”and on invalidating certain provisions of the Federal Law“ On Amending and Adding to Some Legislative Acts of the Russian Federation ” aims to simplify migration procedures associated with obtaining temporary residence status, to improve state regulation of the foreign labor market.
                        and did Yeltsin sign it?
                      4. ivshubarin
                        ivshubarin 21 November 2013 11: 41
                        +4
                        Why do we need migrants during EBN, where would they work and for what.
            5. Garrin
              Garrin 21 November 2013 10: 14
              14
              Quote: bomg.77
              Only in order for the country to work this way and reach such peaks, it has been moving towards this since the seventeenth year and under the leadership of one party.

              How many parties are leading now?
              Quote: bomg.77
              There was no freedom of speech, the fifth column did not flourish, the wealth of the country remained in the country, and in the end, Stalin had laws spelled out under his leadership style, and Putin will apply such methods. They will all howl at once and again it will be bad!

              If he shoots and replaces all embezzlers and bribe takers, at least only in his own circle, the people will only support him.
              Quote: bomg.77
              Putin does not shy from side to side and does not make sudden movements, he does everything in a steady manner.

              That is yes. Only it is not clear in which direction.
              1. bomg.77
                bomg.77 21 November 2013 10: 36
                -3
                Quote: Garrin
                How many parties are leading now?
                How many sit in the Duma and exercise
                Quote: Garrin
                If he shoots and replaces all embezzlers and bribe takers, at least only in his own circle, the people will only support him.
                I’m only for it. And if you haven’t noticed, this is happening now.
                Quote: Garrin
                That is yes. Only it is not clear in which direction.
                In fact, whatever to eat right.
                1. kris
                  21 November 2013 10: 56
                  18
                  Quote: bomg.77
                  And if you have not noticed, then this is happening now.

                  maybe I missed something whom he planted from his entourage?
                2. ivshubarin
                  ivshubarin 21 November 2013 10: 58
                  -2
                  It's not evening yet, Vasilieva has already begun
                3. kris
                  21 November 2013 11: 16
                  +6
                  Quote: ivshubarin
                  It's not evening yet, Vasilieva has already begun

                  there will be a verdict, back to this conversation.
                4. ivshubarin
                  ivshubarin 21 November 2013 11: 19
                  +2
                  Bastrykin won also promises to surprise
                5. alone
                  alone 21 November 2013 21: 27
                  +1
                  Quote: ivshubarin
                  Bastrykin won also promises to surprise


                  and how was he going to surprise? Is Serdyukov really clean? laughing
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          2. bomg.77
            bomg.77 21 November 2013 11: 23
            +1
            Quote: kris
            maybe I missed something whom he planted from his entourage?
            Chris soon SK will please you)) and your heart will calm down. While mayors and deputies.
          3. kris
            21 November 2013 11: 32
            +5
            Quote: bomg.77
            Quote: kris
            maybe I missed something whom he planted from his entourage?
            Chris soon SK will please you)) and your heart will calm down. While mayors and deputies.

            I don’t have faith in Bastrykin.
      2. not good
        not good 21 November 2013 12: 00
        +5
        Susanin also led correctly laughing
      3. Oleg56.ru
        Oleg56.ru 21 November 2013 12: 01
        15
        Something I neither Serdyukov nor Vasiliev and others like them in prison do not watch. They probably are not embezzlers, and I have a poor opinion on these effective managers.
      4. Valkyrie
        Valkyrie 21 November 2013 12: 24
        +6
        Who was shot? Move from one place to another!
      5. Manul
        Manul 21 November 2013 12: 28
        17
        We notice what is happening. Massive dusting in the eyes, cases initiated for "assimilation" of a couple of million rubles, and the top, eagerly tearing all the country's resources into their pockets by billions, laughs at the people, who hoped that at last they would put a large a criminal who systematically undermined the defense industry.
      6. voffchik7691
        voffchik7691 21 November 2013 22: 08
        +2
        If he shoots and replaces all embezzlers and bribe takers, at least only in his own circle, the people will only support him.
        I’m only for it. And if you haven’t noticed, this is happening now.

        Yeah, very noticeable!
        Serdyukov that, planted or shot? Oh yes, Vasiliev was put under house arrest! Yes, very severe, straight horror!
      7. bomg.77
        bomg.77 21 November 2013 23: 17
        +1
        Quote: voffchik7691
        Yeah, very noticeable!
        In addition to these characters, there are many others, but you do not write about it.
    3. ramzes1776
      ramzes1776 21 November 2013 22: 41
      +2
      Quote: bomg.77
      I’m only for it. And if you haven’t noticed, this is happening now.

      This is where we are going on ???? But what about Serdyukov, Navalny and Vasiliev ??? But such a sentence how to understand ???
      https://www.google.com/url?q=http://topwar.ru/35926-za-publichnuyu-kazn-vynesen-
      % 2520prigovor-ubiyce-rossiyskih-voennosluzhaschih-nakavkaze.html & ei = KVSOUoWAL6SO
      5AT9wICIDw & sa = X & oi = unauthorizedredirect & ct = targetlink & ust = 1385061169772010 & usg = A
      FQjCNGViwVs7j00nVY4nzit0IhfVyMcSA
    4. bomg.77
      bomg.77 21 November 2013 23: 05
      +1
      Quote: ramzes1776
      This is where we are going on ???? But what about Serdyukov, Navalny and Vasiliev ??? But such a sentence how to understand ???
      Navalny was conditionally condemned, Vasiliev is under investigation, it is too early for Serdyukov to relax. The weak Internet did not look at the link.
    5. ramzes1776
      ramzes1776 22 November 2013 01: 29
      +1
      Quote: bomg.77
      Navalny was conditionally condemned, Vasiliev is under investigation, it is too early for Serdyukov to relax. The weak Internet did not look at the link.

      They didn’t put Navalny specifically just because Putin said a word for him, they would conditionally give Vasilyeva, and Serdyukov’s position in government agencies and a full pension are guaranteed !!! Tell fairy tales to your children at night !!!
    6. sasska
      sasska 23 November 2013 11: 40
      +1
      refer to "For public execution. Sentence of murderer of Russian servicemen in the Caucasus".

      http://topwar.ru/35926-za-publichnuyu-kazn-vynesen-%20%20prigovor-ubiyce-rossiys
      kih-voennosluzhaschih-nakavkaze.html
  • voffchik7691
    voffchik7691 21 November 2013 21: 53
    0
    He does nothing at all!
  • Grishka100watt
    Grishka100watt 21 November 2013 11: 09
    +1
    Yes, only then in the USSR was there socialism and independent national authorities. And in 1991, after the defeat in the Cold War, the USSR collapsed, and, after the suppression of the October 1993 popular uprising, the colonial Constitution was adopted.

    Which says that the dollar is the ruble, and the ruble is the dollar. It is also written that the media are regulated not by the state, but by American rating companies. And it is also written that a country cannot have an ideology and a course of development, as well as the supremacy of international law over state law.
  • baltika-18
    baltika-18 21 November 2013 10: 13
    21
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    And you do not remember what the budget of Russia was in 2000

    We recall that the expenditure is 1 trillion. 29 billion, the revenue is 1 trillion. 132 billion. The budget is surplus at an oil price of $ 17 to $ 28.
    2013-expenditure of 13,4 trillion., Profitable-12,3 trillion. The budget is in short supply, the price of oil is from 111 to 140 dollars.
    The volume of oil sales has grown since 2000 by 100 million tons.
    Add inflationary processes (the ruble of 2000 is not at all the same as the ruble of 2013).
    For bread prices rose 5 times, for gas 17 times. This is so for example.
    If someone thinks that the price of oil has risen thanks to Putin, please. But then be logical and consider that the price of gas has also risen thanks to him.
    1. sashka
      sashka 21 November 2013 11: 33
      0
      Quote: baltika-18
      Remember.

      And how did this "memory" end? .. After all, in any business the result
      1. Garrin
        Garrin 21 November 2013 19: 22
        +8
        Quote: Sasha
        And how did this "memory" end? .. After all, in any business the result

        Than? Yes, because the other day, in Moscow, a monument was erected to Yegor Timurych Gaidar. Apparently, in line - Chubysyu, during his lifetime. Worthy and grateful students rule ...
  • varov14
    varov14 21 November 2013 10: 58
    21
    But doesn’t it seem kind to you that at the expense of taxpayers, under the slogans of patriotism, the state really makes a compact, well-armed army, but the whole question is to protect whether it is the state and state interests. Or maybe it is to protect the interests of multinational companies and officials serving them. Now they are beating the patriotism of the population and at the same time they have turned Russia into a garbage dump, where everyone carries everything that is worthless in developed countries, from food to aircraft. You begin to think of someone else's our guarantor. And if we recall the weaning of the population from medicine, education, plus the promised future searches for work and housing, which in principle do not exist, you understand that the guarantors are not ours.
    1. sashka
      sashka 21 November 2013 17: 42
      0
      Quote: varov14
      But doesn’t it seem kind to you that at the expense of taxpayers, under the slogans of patriotism, the state really makes a compact, well-armed army

      It does not seem .. These are rumors about Serdyukov and Vasilyev onm honest white and fluffy
    2. Stanislas
      Stanislas 23 November 2013 09: 11
      +3
      Quote: varov14
      Now they are beating the patriotism of the population and at the same time they have turned Russia into a garbage dump
      And why do you need to beat "the patriotism of the population", could you explain to me, unreasonable? Otherwise, at the last elections, for the first time in my life, I voted for the current government (before that I voted once for Tuleyev, because I seemed to be a decent person, and after that I completely stopped going to the polls). They pressed patriotism with talk about Eurasianism, and then foreign policy, so that I already felt pride in the two-headed eagle. Throughout the 90s they wiped their feet about this patriotism and nothing, there were no signs of an impending storm of popular anger in the country, Europe breathed in the ass, looked longingly towards the states ... They suddenly needed my patriotism, would you tell me? Wasn't the country turned into a trash heap before 2000?
  • voffchik7691
    voffchik7691 21 November 2013 21: 51
    +1
    And who brought the homeland to this budget? The same gang as 22 years ago. The person in the chair is changing, and politics is unchanged!
  • kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 21 November 2013 08: 15
    27
    Alexander, it makes no sense to enter into polemics with you, or you are kidding or confused a thick one with a long one. Have you ever been to an aircraft building enterprise, but I took part in the construction of the Ulyanovsk Aviation Complex and represent all the difficulties and difficulties of the revival of Civil Aviation. But as the people say wisdom: "The road will be mastered by the one walking." Something does not want to go anywhere your so-called "magician". And on the Constitution who swore to protect the rights of citizens of Russia, and the right to life that has already been canceled?
    1. baltika-18
      baltika-18 21 November 2013 08: 42
      14
      Quote: kartalovkolya
      Alexander, it makes no sense to enter into a polemic with you, or you are kidding or mixed up the fat with the long. Have you ever been to an aircraft manufacturing enterprise

      Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ... laughing
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 21 November 2013 08: 49
      -13 qualifying.
      Quote: kartalovkolya
      and here I participated in the construction of the Ulyanovsk airline complex and represent all the difficulties and difficulties of the revival of Civil Aviation

      Yeah, and I see what you wrote about the loss of sovereignty. You probably imagine all the difficulties so much that you immediately wrote about sovereignty.
      Quote: kartalovkolya
      Something does not want to go anywhere your so-called "magician". And on the Constitution who swore to protect the rights of citizens of Russia, and the right to life that has already been canceled?

      Cho for demagogy in general, that Putin has done absolutely nothing for the country, or to sit down with a bottle of beer and criticize him. Putin is bad, Putin is to blame. whoever you choose, all the same, the posts will differ in that instead of the last name Putin, insert another without changing the text.
      1. kartalovkolya
        kartalovkolya 21 November 2013 17: 01
        +6
        I don’t know about you, but before I expressed my opinion I thought for a bit, but I didn’t talk about good or bad. It was specifically said that nothing was being done: I specifically raised receipts for housing and communal services for 2000 and for November of this, in 2000, 140 rubles with a small one, for November 2013-3850 rubles, for 13 years, how much did housing and communal services pay increase? Having served the Motherland 25 years in the ranks of the USSR Armed Forces, you never dreamed of such a paradise. .I have read many of your comments and am surprised how often you change your views and interpretations! And if you read carefully, all criticism consisted of stating obvious facts, and I will remind you again: he swore on the Constitution to defend his people, do it, and do not argue!
        1. Grishka100watt
          Grishka100watt 21 November 2013 17: 06
          -2
          But why didn’t he do this, what could he do? Specifically?
      2. ramzes1776
        ramzes1776 21 November 2013 22: 57
        0
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        .Putin is bad, Putin is to blame.

        You might think that he’s not having anything to do with it. By now, everyone should already understand that nothing will be done in our country without his knowledge.
    3. sashka
      sashka 21 November 2013 17: 49
      0
      Quote: kartalovkolya
      Have you ever been to an aircraft manufacturing company, but I participated in the construction

      That's just what I was and personally built in Tashkent
      1. kartalovkolya
        kartalovkolya 22 November 2013 12: 47
        +1
        I am glad to welcome a colleague, I am from 26 UHFH, are you?
    4. ramzes1776
      ramzes1776 21 November 2013 22: 52
      +2
      Quote: kartalovkolya
      .But as the proverb says: "The road will be mastered by the one walking." Something your so-called "magician" does not want to go anywhere. And on the Constitution who swore to defend the rights of citizens of Russia, and what has already been abolished the right to life?

      Our elite would better invest the last money in the Olympics in the 2018 FIFA World Cup than in our domestic aviation industry and other high-tech industries. I generally keep quiet about the people. Only they can "tighten the screws" !!!
  • Valkyrie
    Valkyrie 21 November 2013 12: 07
    18
    A guarantor is a person who bears all responsibility for what is happening in the country. If you took the tug, do not say that not a dozen. And he is not a year or two, but 13 years steers.
    1. Grishka100watt
      Grishka100watt 21 November 2013 17: 07
      -1
      A guarantor is a person on whom lies the function of monitoring government decisions regarding the constitution.
  • voffchik7691
    voffchik7691 21 November 2013 21: 41
    +1
    I apologize in my opinion, if my memory serves me right, the guarantor has been in power since 1999. How long does it take to be in power to start creating something for the good of the motherland?
    By the way, today the guarantor said that if someone is allowed to violate the law, then Russia may face a repetition of the events of 1917. I wonder what he meant? Maybe Serdyukov, Vasilyev and others like them ?!
  • Basarev
    Basarev 24 November 2013 18: 39
    0
    But Stalin succeeded!
  • voffchik7691
    voffchik7691 21 November 2013 21: 34
    -1
    The question arises - And to whom and what does the Guarantor guarantee ?!
    1. Grishka100watt
      Grishka100watt 21 November 2013 22: 08
      +1
      The question arises - And to whom and what does the Guarantor guarantee ?!

      Actually, I certainly don’t want to give you advice, but it would be better to know what you are writing about.

      The guarantor guarantees happiness, a very decent salary without the need to come to work, satellite TV, prostitutes and half a hundred grams of cookies to you personally. If he could not guarantee you this, then write a complaint on the Military Review special website. It seems like it is written in the constitution, do not believe it - read it, maybe you will become smarter.
      1. ramzes1776
        ramzes1776 21 November 2013 23: 03
        +1
        Quote: Grishka100watt
        The guarantor guarantees happiness, a very decent salary without the need to come to work, satellite TV, prostitutes and half a hundred grams of cookies to you personally.

        In short, he makes us a floppy boy laughing Jar of jam forgot to add repeat
  • Wolf 1
    Wolf 1 21 November 2013 08: 01
    16
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Quote: Belogor
    They killed their right, we fly on imported junk.

    1. Who killed? Rhetorical question.
    2. Who buys imported junk? Maybe the very private companies that are in the pursuit of profit are ready to take everything that is flying and as cheap as possible. The letter should not be to Putin, but to those who manage the companies. They think that they are sitting and say profit, give us Russian planes , and it’s not the kopeics themselves who give for the production or design of new aircraft. It’s always easier to point the finger at the top.
    3. This letter will not change anything, simply because not tomorrow, not in a month we have nowhere to take new planes request

    - who ditched? The state in the person of Yeltsin and Putin (I do not consider Medvedev as an independent politician), by conscious action or vice versa, inaction;
    - greedy private traders buy, but such an abnormal situation can again arise only in the absence of at least some elementary state control;
    - The letter, most likely, really will not bring any global changes, but due to the lack of not airplanes, but the will and desire of the country's government.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 21 November 2013 08: 53
      -13 qualifying.
      Quote: Wolf-1
      - who ditched? The state represented by Yeltsin and Putin, (

      Well, it’s clear with Yeltsin, but what Putin was ruining or can remember when the degradation of the aviation industry began, it’s still under the communists some of his beloved. It was expected in all troubles that Putin would not be to blame. This is the so-called herd feeling when people , as the last ****** does not want to sit and think, but waits for someone to do something for them. Will we start to think with brains or continue to look for the guilty one? If you still want to live well, this will not happen, because you do not need it, although to whom I say this
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      2. Wolf 1
        Wolf 1 21 November 2013 12: 10
        14
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Quote: Wolf-1
        - who ditched? The state represented by Yeltsin and Putin, (

        Well, it’s clear with Yeltsin, but what Putin was ruining or can remember when the degradation of the aviation industry began, it’s still under the communists some of his beloved. It was expected in all troubles that Putin would not be to blame. This is the so-called herd feeling when people , as the last ****** does not want to sit and think, but waits for someone to do something for them. Will we start to think with brains or continue to look for the guilty one? If you still want to live well, this will not happen, because you do not need it, although to whom I say this

        - of course it was. Yes, it began with the Communists, but under Putin the collapse reached terrifying proportions. And despite the waterfall of petrodollars, the situation has changed little. And could it have changed, with a man who erects monuments to Yeltsin, Gaidar; rewards the highest award of the country of Gorbachev; changes how he needs a constitution; lets the goat into the garden, i.e. Chubais in Rusnano, and, finally, does not want to plant his stealing buddy Serdyukov !? So he himself is the same. As it is now commonly called, an ineffective manager, and there are no scapegoats.
      3. voffchik7691
        voffchik7691 21 November 2013 22: 20
        +1
        Yes, the communists in general are scum, they could not build Stalin, Khrushchevka, Brezhnevka, power plants, all communications, so that they would not be destroyed forever!
        Something I have never met references to Putinki, apparently all Putinki on Rublevka!
    2. Valkyrie
      Valkyrie 21 November 2013 12: 10
      +3
      Absolutely right. Everything to the point.
  • APES
    APES 21 November 2013 08: 50
    14
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    This letter will not change anything


    also came to the conclusion that writing him letters is useless

    I decided not to write for this new year ...
  • voffchik7691
    voffchik7691 21 November 2013 21: 33
    +1
    Here you write: private companies, which are in pursuit of profit, are ready to take everything that so far flies and as cheaply as possible. The letter should not be to Putin, but to those who manage the companies.
    Why is the state necessary? Only then what taxes to collect?
    Or maybe the state should ESTABLISH the rules and HARDLY PUNISH for their non-compliance ?!
    Why is it not necessary to comply with GOSTs now? Make a grub of what you want, you will not be anything!
    Why can't planes older than 8 years old fly in the United States, and all rubbish flies here ?!
    Remember the deceived investors - the state said: they themselves were to blame, they had to check their certificates, etc.
    And why then the Ministry of Internal Affairs? Apparently in order to protect the bandits.
    So the letter to the address, only the addressee does not give a shit about all this! I apologize for the harshness.
    1. ramzes1776
      ramzes1776 21 November 2013 23: 08
      +1
      Quote: voffchik7691
      So the letter to the address, only the addressee does not give a shit about all this! I apologize for the harshness.

      For him, reputation on the international scene is more important !!! Isn’t it time to tackle your domestic problems, which are already a whole tangle of winds.
  • Sirocco
    Sirocco 22 November 2013 05: 10
    0
    Sasha to you 5 +++, clearly short and clear !!!! The post is super.
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  • Civil
    Civil 21 November 2013 08: 25
    +1
    The wolf, of course, is a respected person, including me, but he is used to "wobble" Poghosyan's trumpet, and the moment they chose ...
  • goldfinger
    goldfinger 21 November 2013 11: 04
    20
    Neighbor Belarus.
    Quote: Belogor
    Correctly ditched their own, we fly on imported junk that have passed more than one hand.

    So, old planes that have already worked even in Uganda - everyone talks about it. But something is missing. What?
    Firstly, the connection of the reaction of the authorities to this incident with reactions to other similar ones, in particular, in relation to Russian-made aircraft. And, secondly, the relationship of the authorities' policies regarding the promotion of the purchase of old foreign aircraft with the rest of the state’s economic policy.
    The reaction of the authorities to the plane crash in Karelia several years ago was indicative. Then the president was Medvedev, and the reaction was also immediate: to suspend the Tu-134 flights “until the circumstances were clarified,” although technical reasons were not initially visible then. Circumstances have since been clarified a long time ago, the equipment turned out to be nothing to do with, but the operation of the Tu-134, even under, like, another president, has not been resumed.
    It would seem that the first reaction to the Boeing crash should be similar - to immediately suspend flights. But - not a hint. Even to suspend the operation of old Boeings that were already in accidents. Why such a double standard?
    The second aspect noted above is the connection with all other economic policies. Maybe Russia is a poor country, the destiny of which is to carry for all their castoffs? Of course, the question arises, but with what fright did you suddenly find yourself in this position? Despite the fact that the number of dollar billionaires is in the world leaders. And in terms of social contrast in the distribution of national wealth between a limited handful of oligarchy and the rest of the population, they are already even absolute leaders. But now another question is no less important: is there a similar policy in all areas - to encourage the wearing of other people's cast-offs? And it turns out that this is not at all in all areas.
    In particular, I have long been interested in the question: why cars older than 3 years (not only passenger buses, but even passenger buses, especially personal ones) cannot be brought into the country, but can passenger planes older than even ten to fifteen years old? Understood: perhaps a car is a more dangerous thing than an airplane, more stringent requirements are imposed on it from the point of view of public safety ... Is it not absurd?
    They will tell me that it is such a policy of the state to protect its auto industry.
    But!
    At one time, the USA decisively limited the possibilities of Japan defeated as a result of the war, which later became the USA’s strategic ally in a new confrontation with the USSR, to produce and deliver civilian aircraft to the world market, although at the same time they did not object to the intensive development of the Japanese automotive industry. Why? Yes, because although the United States is the most automotive power in the world, nevertheless, the strategic priority is not the automotive industry, but aviation and rocket and space technologies.
    England recently sold the Rovers to the Indians and, like, the Jaguar. It would seem that just the symbols of the country. But ... not the strategically most important high-tech spheres. Somewhat earlier, the Swedes lost the Chinese to Volvo. And earlier, England sold the Rolls-Royce to the Germans ...
    Question: Is it possible to imagine that the United States sold Boeing or Lockheed to the Indians or Chinese? Would the Germans and French give way to Airbus Industry? No, it is impossible to imagine such a thing - the strategic priorities that these states are not going to give up to anyone are too obvious.
    They are not going to concede themselves, but they are demanding from others: to hand over priorities.
    By the way, the last week was marked by an unequivocal course to whitewash the former Minister of Defense Serdyukov. So, did the Mistrals in France order (instead of a proper order for their shipbuilding) Vasilyev and Smetanina too?
    Not a paradox?
    1. JonnyT
      JonnyT 21 November 2013 19: 53
      +1
      Yes, they all sold off with a gutter ..... we have no power, we have a sparing occupation ...

      The Boeing gave them bribes so that they bought their unsafe junk, ditch their production ....

      I always tried to be tolerant of the current regime ...... namely the regime ..... but events show that it is time to go to barricades soon we will begin to shoot traitors and pests
  • Max_Bauder
    Max_Bauder 21 November 2013 12: 26
    +2
    First of all I would like to say that the earth was a down for the victims of the disaster.

    I don’t know for sure (like everyone else) this plane crashed on purpose or not on purpose, but what the author says is true.
    If you supply the Russian market with old used aircraft of our or foreign production, they will fall more often. Human sacrifice must be avoided by making the right decisions. Lost control or failed brakes are two different things.
    1. Basarev
      Basarev 24 November 2013 19: 14
      0
      But we all understand that pilots have nothing to do with it - just a second-hand Ugandan plane is not safe in itself
  • ramzes1776
    ramzes1776 21 November 2013 22: 15
    +1
    "And Vaska listens and eats!"
  • AVV
    AVV 21 November 2013 23: 57
    +2
    It is necessary to look at the root, who benefits from this, ruin the domestic civilian aircraft industry, these are the traitors who surrounded DAM, who, for big bribes, promote the interests of Boeing, Airbus and other foreign manufacturers !!! The interests of old dealers who are ready to take the lives of our citizens for profit forcing to fly in all kinds of rubbish !!! This can not be tolerated further !!!
  • Siberian German
    Siberian German 22 November 2013 04: 08
    0
    And you ask Pogosyan how much money he has abroad for an account - he’s not going to be bought up now and he’ll make him some sect
  • vezunchik
    vezunchik 23 November 2013 21: 48
    0
    you can not leave
  • catapractic
    catapractic 25 November 2013 19: 52
    0
    Correctly ditched their own, we fly on imported junk that have passed more than one hand.
    if only hands, and even an African ass
  • pv1005
    pv1005 21 November 2013 07: 25
    16
    There is a guarantee, but they forgot to issue a warranty card.
  • 505506
    505506 21 November 2013 07: 28
    -19 qualifying.
    It’s a misfortune in the country, people died, and here the explicit pushing of TU planes. Even if the truth said and the reproaches are true, then they could wait at least 9 days!
    1. pv1005
      pv1005 21 November 2013 07: 33
      18
      There is no time to wait. Every minute is expensive.
      1. ivshubarin
        ivshubarin 21 November 2013 09: 02
        -15 qualifying.
        There are no orders from airlines for TU-334 and TU-204, and if not, they are not released, why produce aircraft that no one needs
        1. voffchik7691
          voffchik7691 21 November 2013 22: 33
          +4
          I don’t know how to evaluate Lebedev, but his company was the only one who ordered new carcasses, so they took away their license. Apparently, whatever God forbid, people would not see that there is something better than American scrap metal!
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 21 November 2013 08: 54
      +7
      Quote: 505506
      The trouble is in the country, people died, and here the explicit pushing of TU planes

      Not everyone refuses to think +
      1. 505506
        505506 21 November 2013 09: 51
        0
        Judging by the rain of the minuses, the background of this angry letter is not visible ...
      2. Russ69
        Russ69 21 November 2013 11: 17
        -6
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Not everyone refuses to think +

        Why think? There is a phrase on duty; "Putin is to blame" ...
        And the mustache, and the pluses and do not need to think ...
    3. Alex toll
      Alex toll 21 November 2013 09: 52
      23
      What are you talking about ???? They tell you in Russian that our country can provide itself and show benefits, and also read between the lines "Phone number instead of name" they say head-on that our figures got the dough and shoved every G ... but into the market, and give their own they cannot or do not want to and deliberately launched foreign trash, which did not even pass the tests as it should! That's because of people like you - we fly on planes that fall apart in the air, but we also sail Mistrals - our ships, after all, did not know how to do it before Peter, and we floated on rafts along the rivers - where we do not know how to do it ourselves - we will buy a foreign city ... but "Serdyukov". What they are trying to convey to you - let's start today - tomorrow it will be better for many and there will be fewer new victims from the fall of the Aircraft.

      There is a precedent - it is necessary to decide the question - what to expect? Has anyone else crashed?

      And yet - pay attention to who signed up below - there are not factory directors
      Hero of the Soviet Union, space pilot
      Wolf Igor Petrovich;
      Heroes of Russia, Honored Test Pilots of the Russian Federation:
      Yesayan Ruben Tatevosovich,
      Knyshov Anatoly Nikolaevich,
      Matveyev Vladimir Nikolaevich,
      Shchepetkov Oleg Adolfovich;
      Hero of Russia, aerospace systems tester
      Kiryushin Eugene Alexandrovi

      These are hard workers and patriots of their homeland !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      who fly for a spear at their own peril and risk in peacetime, so that people like you could be saved, and not to be left unfinished before flights !!!!

      Gentlemen - cut at the root of such good fellows "and here it is obvious pushing the TU aircraft"

      1. 505506
        505506 21 November 2013 10: 01
        -13 qualifying.
        And I saw something else - TU are good planes, the rest is Fu.
        If not for this, I completely agreed. But scolding the UAC, it was enough to say "give up the dominance of imported elements" and again the color of the letter is different. And here is pure PR. And the head of the market in Biryulyovo is also a respected person, a Hero. And I will ask without rudeness!
        Angry, wrong!
        1. Valkyrie
          Valkyrie 21 November 2013 12: 44
          +8
          Competent people offer their vision of solving problems in aviation at the expense of existing internal capabilities and resources. They offer concrete actions, and not in vain shake their fists. And who gave the reward to the head of the market, Biryulyovo, and for what, you know?
    4. voffchik7691
      voffchik7691 21 November 2013 22: 29
      +3
      Yes, while we will wait for some sort of board to crash!
      By the way, they said that there would be no ban on flights of Boeing, and this is not a pushing of Boeing ?!
  • Under
    Under 21 November 2013 07: 33
    +4
    And such letters are published after every disaster, then the plane will fall, then the ship will sink, then the hydroelectric power station will go nuts ... Write, write ...
  • makarov
    makarov 21 November 2013 07: 42
    +6
    The families of the dead have irreplaceable grief and trouble ... but instead of large-scale support, as always, they are looking for a switchman.
    1. kartalovkolya
      kartalovkolya 21 November 2013 08: 02
      17
      Woe is enormous and only those who have lost loved ones will understand the whole depth of the tragedy and don’t have to return the dead to them with any financial or other support! But you need to figure out what happened as soon as possible: after all, there are about 750 flying coffins in the sky of Russia switchmen, and those who, with a stroke of the pen, doomed to death and deprived the citizens of Russia of their right to life, allowing them to exploit this air junk and fill their owners' pockets!
    2. Basarev
      Basarev 24 November 2013 19: 19
      +1
      Sometimes finding the perpetrator and destroying him is the same as solving the problem.
  • mak210
    mak210 21 November 2013 07: 48
    25
    With the connivance of all kinds of guarantors, there is an active displacement of domestic aircraft manufacturers from the market. As soon as a catastrophe occurs with a domestic flight, flights of all such types are instantly banned, and sometimes they even forget to cancel this ban. Here, the cause of the disaster (pilot error) was announced several hours after the accident, instead of several months, apparently so as not to prohibit the flights of this scrap metal from Uganda.

    And such letters are published after every disaster, then the plane will fall, then the ship will drown, or the hydroelectric power station will go nuts ...


    We pass the point of no return. Funds are spent not on caring for equipment, but on fun such as Sochi, World Cup, Krasnoyarsk. At the same time, being abroad, I noticed that the prices for travel, that on trains, that on airplanes, are several times higher. The fare is so high that Russia is actually torn to pieces, most of the population they are inaccessible.
    1. mark1
      mark1 21 November 2013 08: 03
      +7
      Quote: mak210
      With the connivance of all kinds of guarantors, there is an active displacement of domestic aircraft manufacturers from the market.

      Yes, call the "heroes" by name - Dmitry Anatolyevich Medvedev.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 21 November 2013 08: 55
        -9
        Quote: mark1
        Yes, call the "heroes" by name - Dmitry Anatolyevich Medvedev.

        Medvedev is to blame for the plane crash fool
        1. mark1
          mark1 21 November 2013 09: 09
          +6
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Medvedev is to blame for the plane crash

          Reread, please, the quote for which I gave a comment.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 21 November 2013 09: 48
            -4
            Quote: mark1
            Reread, please, the quote for which I gave a comment.

            Yeah, I re-read it a second time. It’s clear once again that Medvedev is to blame. I know this is the fashion now.
            1. ivshubarin
              ivshubarin 21 November 2013 09: 51
              -5
              Yes no Serdyukov is to blame, Serdyukov wassat
              1. Russ69
                Russ69 21 November 2013 11: 20
                -4
                Quote: ivshubarin
                Yes no Serdyukov is to blame, Serdyukov wassat

                He runs along with DAM and GDP and arranges sabotage ... smile
            2. Apollo
              Apollo 21 November 2013 10: 02
              13
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Yeah, I re-read it a second time. It’s clear once again that Medvedev is to blame. I know this is the fashion now.


              Well, who else ?!

              1. kris
                21 November 2013 10: 13
                +7
                could be so !
                1. ramzes1776
                  ramzes1776 22 November 2013 00: 00
                  0
                  Quote: kris
                  could be so !

                  This is our "guarantor" dropped !!!
    2. Basarev
      Basarev 24 November 2013 19: 24
      0
      All, gentlemen, have sailed ...
  • Volodya Sibiryak
    Volodya Sibiryak 21 November 2013 07: 54
    +9
    The situation with aviation is just a nightmare, as in the port of "Baton" all services sit down and put them on an emergency mode, suddenly something. I hope the exploitation of this rubbish will be banned. I'm not a coward, but I prefer to travel by rail.
  • Orik
    Orik 21 November 2013 07: 57
    10
    Write, write as many letters as you like, all this is the policy of embedding in the international system of distribution of labor provided by Putin. Hence the priority of the superjet in which 50-70% of the parts are imported, so that it becomes "their own" for the West, and whether it will be a question. Our civil aircraft industry was sacrificed to this cooperation. Stupidity or ... but it will not lead to anything good.
  • Alex66
    Alex66 21 November 2013 08: 00
    +4
    I would like to hear Putin’s answer, there’s still hope, but he’s not strong in domestic politics, apparently the Medvedev and the liberal company are driving, so he put Seryukov to accept KAMAZ trucks and immediately began to agitate for the merger of KAMAZ and MAZ, and they slap them how to drink to give . I’ll be very surprised if adequate actions, or at least statements, follow from Putin.
    1. ivshubarin
      ivshubarin 21 November 2013 08: 12
      +3
      Kamaz and Maz have been wanting to unite for two years now, why bind everything to Serdyuk
    2. polly
      polly 21 November 2013 10: 22
      +2
      This Serdyukov is one hundred times unloved, but why distort and attribute to him nonexistent opportunities?

      “What is this“ federal ”machine-building center, which, among other things, is also a“ test ”one? Nothing monstrously secret, budget-intensive and rocket-space.
      This is the former PF NATI - the Moscow Region branch of the Scientific Research Institute of Automotive and Tractor Engineering in Chekhov, or, more precisely, its testing ground for testing samples of agricultural equipment. Now, for some state reasons, it is listed "in Kamchatka" in the list of assets of the state corporation "Rostec", as part of the "RT-Auto" holding - on a par with such giants as KAMAZ and AvtoVAZ. "
      "It was clearly difficult to find an even smaller managerial position in the structure of the state corporation."


      RIA Novosti http://ria.ru/analytics/20131115/977129848.html#ixzz2lDr9qpyw
      1. voffchik7691
        voffchik7691 21 November 2013 22: 45
        0
        "It was clearly difficult to find an even smaller managerial position in the structure of the state corporation."
        And you don’t need to look for anything, you just need what he deserves - a camera for 25 years !!!
  • bairat
    bairat 21 November 2013 08: 01
    20
    Belief in a good king is indestructible with us. Does he sit in a bunker and know nothing? The last chance to open the eyes of the president is to send him a letter? He has more sources of information than ours, he sees everything and knows everything.
    1. ivshubarin
      ivshubarin 21 November 2013 09: 13
      -9
      And we also like to blame the king for everything
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 21 November 2013 09: 50
        -5
        Quote: ivshubarin
        And we also like to blame the king for everything

        Ha, so in order to blame someone else, you need to sit, think, understand, and this is difficult. It is much easier to blame all the blame on the Tsar, it has always been so!
  • Letnab
    Letnab 21 November 2013 08: 14
    13
    I join the letter!
  • treskoed
    treskoed 21 November 2013 08: 17
    15
    Shipbuilders, manufacturers of agricultural machinery can write the same thing, you can’t even find a Russian bicycle!
    1. bairat
      bairat 21 November 2013 08: 23
      10
      You will not find a bolt with a nut of Russian production, everything is Chinese.
      1. plut-k
        plut-k 21 November 2013 09: 46
        10
        what bolts with nuts, already sledgehammers and crowbars Chinese
      2. plut-k
        plut-k 21 November 2013 09: 47
        0
        what bolts with nuts, already sledgehammers and crowbars Chinese
    2. sashka
      sashka 21 November 2013 08: 26
      28
      Quote: treskoed
      Shipbuilders, manufacturers of agricultural machinery can write the same thing, you can’t even find a Russian bicycle!

      Sorry for only two hands. I totally agree .. I am not the fifth column and not an office plankton. Just a worker. The truth is educated And I am horrified by the nonsense that the "government" is doing, headed by the "guarantor". Maybe they are abusing some drugs?
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    4. ivshubarin
      ivshubarin 21 November 2013 09: 17
      0
      And you were looking. Russian bicycle sea
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 21 November 2013 09: 51
        +1
        Quote: ivshubarin
        And you were looking. Russian bicycle sea

        Chris, why set a minus person? On sale is full of Russian-made bikes, if you do not believe, go to the store
        1. kris
          21 November 2013 09: 59
          18
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Quote: ivshubarin
          And you were looking. Russian bicycle sea

          Chris, why set a minus person? On sale is full of Russian-made bikes, if you do not believe, go to the store

          they are called Russian.
          but in Russia they are only packed in boxes.
          and so on everywhere. recently was at the Zavolzhsky engine plant. There is a similar picture. Chinese parts are packed in branded boxes and sold as their own.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 21 November 2013 10: 32
            +4
            Quote: kris
            but in Russia they are only packed in boxes.

            Not everywhere!
            Quote: kris
            . There is a similar picture. Chinese parts are packed in branded boxes and sold as their own.

            Yeah and brandy put on the part - Made in Russia wink
            1. kris
              21 November 2013 11: 47
              +7
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Yeah and brandy put on the part - Made in Russia

              amazing but you're right!
              they do so!
  • ParapaPanda
    ParapaPanda 21 November 2013 08: 19
    +9
    The wife works as a flight attendant - each time the heart twitches. Thank God that mine is in a normal airline.
  • patriot2
    patriot2 21 November 2013 08: 27
    +4
    ENOUGH FLYING ON THE FOREIGN SECOND HAND!
    STOP THE PLANNED KILLING OF RUSSIANS IN AIRCASTRASTS!
    GIVE REVIVAL OF THE DOMESTIC AIRLINE INDUSTRY !!!
    Russia for RUSSIAN AIR and other equipment!
    Down with the monopolist Poghosyan, the "master" of budget money with "0" results!
    1. bomg.77
      bomg.77 21 November 2013 09: 16
      +2
      Quote: patriot2
      Down with the monopolist Poghosyan, the "master" of budget money with "0" results!
      Here is a null result
      1. bomg.77
        bomg.77 21 November 2013 09: 33
        +1
        And here is another zero result
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 21 November 2013 10: 49
          11
          Quote: bomg.77
          And here is another zero result

          I have not seen a single one at Samara airport. Really a complete zero. hi
          1. ivshubarin
            ivshubarin 21 November 2013 10: 56
            +3
            And here "Yakutia" flies on the SSD
        2. lucidlook
          lucidlook 26 November 2013 12: 13
          0
          Here is another result:
          1. Aleksey_K
            Aleksey_K 26 November 2013 15: 28
            0
            Well, who created this picture? Indicate a reference. And here is another statistic http://www.aviasafety.ru/crash-stat. It diverges radically from yours. Therefore, when you convict someone, bring evidence. And I’ll draw such a picture in 2 hours.
            1. lucidlook
              lucidlook 26 November 2013 16: 08
              0
              Please see the table below:
              http://planecrashinfo.com/2012/2012.htm
              If somewhere between Kenya and Congo confused, excuse me (this is me to the citizens of the respective states).

              We follow the link, press Control-F, enter Russia and count. By the way, the incident with the SSJ-100 in Indonesia is not marked in the picture. I hope you will forgive the authors of this oversight?
          2. Aleksey_K
            Aleksey_K 26 November 2013 15: 37
            0
            And here is another link to the statistics of air crashes before 2011, http://statistic.su/blog/statistika_mirovykh_aviakatastrof/2011-09-09-392. So who is lying to us here!
            1. lucidlook
              lucidlook 26 November 2013 16: 11
              0
              Quote: Алексей_К
              And here is another link to the statistics of air crashes before 2011, http://statistic.su/blog/statistika_mirovykh_aviakatastrof/2011-09-09-392. So who is lying to us here!

              I don’t know who is lying to you there, but I hope that it’s not that you weren’t able to find data for 2012.

              Ps if you are interested in the latest statistics on "enemies" (why?), Then you can enjoy here (especially the last table)
              http://www.statisticbrain.com/airplane-crash-statistics/
      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 21 November 2013 09: 52
        +4
        Quote: bomg.77
        Here is a null result

        No, that’s why you won’t convince them, a different approach is needed. Some people’s plan starts to hang and stop writing for a while laughing Here, they poked their nose and immediately one already minus slammed you. Do not get into criticism of your photos wassat
        1. bomg.77
          bomg.77 21 November 2013 10: 09
          -2
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          No, that’s not how you can convince them, a different approach is needed.
          Alexander I already understood it hi I think they are waiting for the approach of these people
          1. kris
            21 November 2013 10: 22
            +6
            Quote: bomg.77
            Alexander I already understood this, I think they are waiting for the approach of these people

            Do you think it will be worse with them than with the current ones?
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 21 November 2013 10: 34
              +1
              Quote: kris

              Do you think it will be worse with them than with the current ones?

              Difficult koment, probably Chris is really hard for you wink
            2. bomg.77
              bomg.77 21 November 2013 11: 33
              -1
              Quote: kris
              Quote: bomg.77
              Alexander I already understood this, I think they are waiting for the approach of these people

              Do you think it will be worse with them than with the current ones?
              So these will come, you remember about Putin. yes
          2. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 21 November 2013 10: 33
            +4
            Quote: bomg.77
            I think they are waiting for the approach of these people

            The joke is that these people from them will begin to cleanse the country laughing
            1. Grishka100watt
              Grishka100watt 21 November 2013 10: 43
              -5
              It is interesting who was the initiator and compiler of such a letter, and even formulated in this form ....
              No, Igor Petrovich Wolf is a big and respected man. But he is already 76 years old! Vague doubts torment me ....
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    3. MBA78
      MBA78 21 November 2013 16: 15
      +5
      I agree that you should not bend under the changing world of Russia and the former USSR a lot of victories in the field of aviation and space * you need to start working and create your own *
  • Luger
    Luger 21 November 2013 08: 28
    18
    The unwise desire of our compatriots for profit is to blame for everything. The same airlines that operate airplanes are more profitable for them to buy old junk, for many reasons, so they lobby their interests in the government to the detriment of the interests of citizens (by the way, consumers of their services). But what about power? there are also people in power who are also not alien to rabid consumption and only personal satisfaction. The story with the Super Jet is nothing more than the development of budget money with an element of cutting the dough between "their own", who pushed the project. What prevented the launch of the TU 334 series?
    PS About 3 years ago I talked with the head of the delegation of Kazakhstan, who brought the kids to participate in one sporting event. They flew in an IL-62, to my question: "Why not on a Boeing or Airbus?" I was told that his task was to bring and take away the children in full health.
  • Asgard
    Asgard 21 November 2013 08: 29
    14
    Oh how many of these letters were written, I really can’t remember))))
    Wait Cossacks sent a letter, with the subject-"Strategy for the creation by the authorities of an all-Russian Biryulyovo"
    excerpt ::::At the end of the message to the president, they were reminded that “Russians, Cossacks and other Slavs of the South of Russia” had already addressed the president last spring. However, instead of a meaningful answer, they received a dry bureaucratic notice from the Department of Internal Policy of the presidential administration that the document was noted. “We didn’t expect such an answer. But, apparently, the fate of the Russian and Cossack population of the North Caucasus, and of all the Russians, is of little concern to your administration and all Russian authorities, ”the authors of the letter complain with regret. “Just how do you and your apparatus, without us, Russians, Cossacks, hope to preserve the integrity of Russia on its southern borders, and not only? Indeed, at the 2014 Olympics, the history of Russia will not end, and the loyalty of the Caucasian corrupt elites will disappear when the money they send, collected from 80% of the Russian population, runs out ” - their authors reasonably summarized.

    Here is a fate waiting for all the letters .........
    It's bad that the Cossacks have become literate-WRITING LETTERS)))))) It's better with "checkers" (you can use TNT)) came to the Kremlin and the Cossack solved the issue)))))
    1. Ascetic
      Ascetic 21 November 2013 08: 51
      20
      Quote: Asgard
      It is bad that the Cossacks became literate, LETTERS WRITE))))))


      OFFERS OF MAGOMET IV.
      I, the Sultan, the son of Muhammad, brother of the Sun and the Moon, grandson and governor
      God, the owner of the kingdoms of Macedonia, Babylonia,
      Jerusalem, Great and Lesser Egypt, king over kings,
      sovereign over lords, an extraordinary knight, by no one
      invincible warrior, the relentless keeper of the tomb of the Lord,
      trustee of God himself, the hope and comfort of Muslims, embarrassment
      and the great defender of Christians - I command you, Zaporozhye
      Cossacks, surrender to me voluntarily without any resistance and
      Don't make me worry with your attacks. "The Sultan
      Turkish Muhammad IV.

      ANSWER TO THE MAGOMET IV.
      "Zaporozhye Cossacks to the Turkish Sultan! Ty, Sultan, devil
      Turkish, i damn devil brother i comrade, Lucerne himself
      secretary. If you are a damn knight, if you don’t have a hedgehog with your bare asshole
      you drive in. Damn the devil, and your visko devour. You will not be
      You son of a bitch, sons of Christian children with you mats of yours
      we’re not afraid, we will fight with the earth and water with you,
      spread out .. your mother. Babylonian you are a cook, Macidonian
      charioter, Jerusalem bravirnik, Alexander goatskin,
      Great and Lesser Egypt Pig, Armenian villain,
      Tatarsky Sagaidak, Kamenetskiy Kat, have everything i have
      I’m sick, the Gaspid’s grandson and our x..i hook. You pig
      muzzle, mare's asshole, dog muzzle, non-baptismal forehead, mother
      your ... b. From so you hobbyists said, more plush. Not
      You shall be i pigs of the Christian mouth. Now it's over, bo
      the numbers are not known i the calendar is not fixed, the month is in the sky, the year is
      down, and such a day with us, like I have with you, for a kiss in the ass
      us!
      They wrote: Koshey ataman Ivan Sirko Zo the whole kosh
      Zaporizhzhya "
      1. Valkyrie
        Valkyrie 21 November 2013 13: 01
        +9
        Yes, the Cossacks were more literate in those days than now with these reforms of education! Yes, dare, you see. Sent so sent!
    2. Manul
      Manul 21 November 2013 13: 11
      +2
      And you’ll go to the barricades, if that? Only to the Cossacks and you can blame everything. Why they can’t defeat all the bad, like .. For the riots against the government, the Cossacks have been shot since time immemorial. And there are no fools rushing about with tanks with a naked saber. power changes with a single sweep of the whip. There is no way to show unity and solidarity in difficult times .. No, you need to collect pluses for yourself at the expense of criticism of the others. Cossacks wrote - well done. They form a public opinion - well done. People try to open their eyes to what is happening, to unite population. But you, on the contrary, causing hostility towards the Cossacks, are moving public opinion towards disunity and hostility towards each other. What motivates you?
      1. Valkyrie
        Valkyrie 21 November 2013 14: 50
        +7
        But who arouses dislike for them? What are you talking about? Firstly, the Cossacks in the sense in which we all remember them in the history of Russia, now does not exist. Of course, there are certain individuals with those strong genes of those Cossacks. But in general, that force, as it once was, is not visible. And secondly, the brilliant letter that was quoted here reflects precisely that power, the greatest self-esteem and pride of the Slavic man for himself and his native land, for which the Cossacks fought and gave their lives at all times. Something you do not understand the essence of the Cossack. The Cossacks, having proved to the state monarchical power that it was impossible to subjugate and subjugate them against their will, were invited to the civil service precisely in the very time immemorial that you speak of. (Only this was before the firearms appeared. So that no one could shoot them. They tried to punish for rebellion, yes.) And the Cossacks fought against a common external enemy as part of a regular army. Who and what causes them to dislike? What are you talking about? The point is that it’s not enough to write letters upstairs. There will be no answer. And the public is already aware of what is happening, who live well in Russia and who feel bad.
    3. cherkas.oe
      cherkas.oe 25 November 2013 13: 34
      -1
      [quote = Asgard] It's better with "checkers" (you can use TNT)) we arrived at the Kremlin and solved the question for the Cossack)))))

      Yes, the Cossacks did not reach Moscow in the 18th year. Guilty of what else to say.
  • shpuntik
    shpuntik 21 November 2013 08: 32
    14
    Otherwise, you will continue to be deceived by professional “thimbles from the aviation industry”, whose goal is to “master the budget”, get rich, and blame all the failures on the global crisis.

    It’s good that you wrote a letter, you won’t return people, but those who still flew Soviet technology, who are not indifferent to their country, still understand the situation.
    PS
    Somehow quickly Boeing was found innocent, in two days. And without reading the speech recorder. Amicably the press picked it up.
    1. Starover_Z
      Starover_Z 21 November 2013 08: 56
      +7
      Yes, the recorders only sent, and already someone voiced the desired! Did the pilots decide to become suicides (sorry men, I don’t think there!) And therefore dive into the ground ?!
      Bullshit horses who consider the disaster guilty of pilots!
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 21 November 2013 10: 54
        +3
        Quote: Starover_Z
        Did the pilots decide to become suicides (sorry men, I don’t think there!) And therefore dive into the ground ?!

        good Did you notice how he fell? Almost upright.
        1. Starover_Z
          Starover_Z 21 November 2013 12: 12
          +4
          So I wrote for that. They said on the news - he went to the second round, but fell into a "tailspin". Again!
          Is that a combat fighter to deploy through the wing ?! What is the minimum allowable turning radius for this "passenger" according to the technical documentation? Is it really 2-3 hundred meters ?!
          The board was just faulty, I think!
  • Ihrek
    Ihrek 21 November 2013 08: 32
    +8
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Quote: Belogor
    They killed their right, we fly on imported junk.

    1. Who killed? Rhetorical question.
    2. Who buys imported junk? Maybe the very private companies that are in the pursuit of profit are ready to take everything that is flying and as cheap as possible. The letter should not be to Putin, but to those who manage the companies. They think that they are sitting and say profit, give us Russian planes , and it’s not the kopeics themselves who give for the production or design of new aircraft. It’s always easier to point the finger at the top.
    3. This letter will not change anything, simply because not tomorrow, not in a month we have nowhere to take new planes request

    Sorry, Alexander, but can’t be attributed to the dashing 90s. Over the past 13 years, the guarantee of everything that happens is the GDP. And during this period, much could be changed in the aviation industry. You can search for other guilty for a long time and hard and not the fact that you find. I am not opposed to GDP, but some things, unfortunately, do not speak in his favor.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 21 November 2013 08: 59
      +1
      Quote: Jamal
      Over the past 13 years, the guarantee of everything that happens is the GDP.

      When did the country or if you like Putin have money? When did we pay off external debts and began to rebuild essentially the country? so and from 2000 report to lead or sit think?
      1. baltika-18
        baltika-18 21 November 2013 12: 04
        15
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        When we settled off external debts

        The total external debt as of July 1, 2013 was 703 billion dollars.
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        started to rebuild essentially the country?

        Destroying medicine, education and a communal apartment.
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        so and from 2000 report to lead or sit think?

        So we will "wake up" (we will), and you suggest starting from 2012?
        And before that, was he young, green or "drank, smoked, ill"?
  • vyd1956
    vyd1956 21 November 2013 08: 37
    +6
    Poor, naive professionals ...
    Is it only about airplanes? It is clear that air junk should be banned. But after all, all this petty riffraff from "air business" and a new plane will take off in pursuit of super profits.
    How can you compare a 20-year-old plane that flew across Europe and a 10-year "rewind" time in Africa?
  • patriot2
    patriot2 21 November 2013 08: 40
    +6
    We are selling NATIONAL RICHES - THE BODIES OF THE COUNTRY FOR SCIENCE DOLLARS, BUYING OLD AIR AND OTHER IN THE WEST! That you have gentlemen, officials and businessmen - relatives have not yet been in a plane crash? WILL! And it will do your greed and contempt for human security!
    Woe to the country where they saw the tree "on which they sit"!
  • borisjdin1957
    borisjdin1957 21 November 2013 08: 41
    +3
    from the Don.
    Who will listen to the authors?: Heroes: of our time-Medvedev, Kudrin and a hedgehog with them, will not allow our country to develop!
  • shark
    shark 21 November 2013 08: 49
    +2
    It's a shame. This is where pro-Western figures seated in power and that’s all .... Entire industries, to please Medvedev, fall into a stupor. Explain to me how can a prime minister be a lawyer? For anyone, the government’s resignation must be initiated. Putin must understand this.
    1. Karabin
      Karabin 21 November 2013 10: 03
      11
      Quote: shark
      Entire industries to please Medvedev

      borisjdin1957 Medvedev, Kudrin and a hedgehog with them, will not allow our country to develop!

      And I, naive, thought that we have Putin as the chief boss.
  • kapitan281271
    kapitan281271 21 November 2013 08: 54
    11
    To whom you write, come to your senses to Pharisee number one !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Are you crazy after the situation with Serdyukov and Vasilyeva became clearer (I specially write these names with a small letter) I finally understood Russia is in the occupation of everything finito la comedy !!!!!!!!!!!!!
    1. Grishka100watt
      Grishka100watt 21 November 2013 10: 50
      -2
      Since 1991, Russia has certainly been under occupation, but not all branches of power are now under it.
      Otherwise, do not write angry speeches to you from the laptop, but dig up a better ground for potatoes in the country, and send paper letters to the mailbox. It’s a pity you don’t understand this.
      1. baltika-18
        baltika-18 21 November 2013 12: 50
        +3
        Quote: Grishka100watt
        Since 1991, Russia has certainly been under occupation, but not all branches of power are now under it.

        Darling, Grisha. We have two branches of government: legislative and executive. What is the occupation?
        Next question: Please name the names in our power party (except for the great anti-occupationist Putin of course), who, from your point of view, are opponents of the so-called occupation?
        1. Grishka100watt
          Grishka100watt 21 November 2013 13: 33
          -4
          Who, dear, do you? What for?
          1. baltika-18
            baltika-18 21 November 2013 14: 07
            +3
            Quote: Grishka100watt
            Who, dear, do you? What for?

            Yes, it’s very interesting. Enlighten, do not consider the work great. Or maybe there is simply nothing to say?
            1. Grishka100watt
              Grishka100watt 21 November 2013 14: 54
              -5
              You? I must tell a person who is interested in normal. You think I don’t see what you are doing here on the site? Tell you something, rarely use such a word, just zapadlo.
              1. baltika-18
                baltika-18 21 November 2013 15: 53
                +3
                Quote: Grishka100watt
                I must tell a person who is interested in normal.

                Well, you can tell only what Starikov and Fedorov talk, and they really don’t like to give names, they’ve never heard from them, although they got questions like mine, but they always went away from the answer. by and large there is nothing.
                Quote: Grishka100watt
                You think I don’t see what you are doing here on the site

                But I’m doing the same thing as you, only there is a small difference. If you ask, I answer. Even to you, Grisha, I’m ready to answer questions of interest.
                1. Grishka100watt
                  Grishka100watt 21 November 2013 16: 18
                  -2
                  Good. Question.
                  Do you have a VK account? I really want to see it.
                  1. baltika-18
                    baltika-18 21 November 2013 16: 48
                    +4
                    Quote: Grishka100watt
                    Do you have a VK account? I really want to see it

                    There is no contact. In classmates only, but I go rarely. There the account is a surname, a name.
        2. 505506
          505506 22 November 2013 08: 27
          +2
          Baltic, and where was the third (judicial) branch "sawed off"?
  • ed65b
    ed65b 21 November 2013 08: 55
    16
    I’ve thought about the same thing, I have my own aviation industry, even if it’s half-dead, but still there, we need to restore it, load capacities, introduce a duty barrier for air junk, develop long-term leasing of our air fleet. And we have? for the term of the reign of GDP, the country would have flown on its planes.
    1. Grishka100watt
      Grishka100watt 21 November 2013 10: 54
      -12 qualifying.
      You should work like GDP, honor and praise would be.
      1. Grishka100watt
        Grishka100watt 21 November 2013 13: 27
        -4
        A. Conscientious workers instructed cons. In the middle of the day, hang out on the site.
        You must give the Order of Labor.
        1. baltika-18
          baltika-18 21 November 2013 16: 03
          +5
          Quote: Grishka100watt
          Conscientious workers instructed cons. In the middle of the day, hang out on the site.

          And where is it, not a site or something?
          1. Grishka100watt
            Grishka100watt 21 November 2013 16: 21
            -2
            On the site, so what?
            I don’t pretend to be a Stakhanovite, nor to the Order of Labor. From others I demand both from myself, which I wish for the rest.
        2. ivshubarin
          ivshubarin 21 November 2013 16: 08
          +6
          The country has many time zones
      2. voffchik7691
        voffchik7691 21 November 2013 23: 00
        0
        Yes, he works like a slave in the galleys! Now it will be rolled on Sushka, then on Tu 160, then on a submarine dives, then scuba diving, I am generally silent about cranes!
    2. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 21 November 2013 11: 02
      10
      Quote: ed65b
      . And we have? for the term of the reign of GDP, the country would have flown on its planes.

      Boeing also knows about kickbacks. Auction, his mother like that. With such airfare prices, it has long been possible to replace the entire fleet with a new one for your own aircraft. But we believe that it is better to feed someone else’s uncle across the ocean, rather than their idle enterprises.
      1. ramzes1776
        ramzes1776 22 November 2013 00: 30
        +2
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        With such airfare prices, it has long been possible to replace the entire fleet with a new one for your own aircraft.

        With planes like now (every touchdown like a new birthday negative ), it is better to go by train.
  • Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 21 November 2013 09: 03
    10
    It's all nonsense, you can write a letter to Mars with the same success. As they say for Russia there are only two probabilities: either we will fix everything ourselves, or the aliens will fly in and do everything for us, though the first option is too fantastic, and the second is unlikely.
  • kapitan281271
    kapitan281271 21 November 2013 09: 11
    17
    GDP is not a traitor, those at least indirectly work for someone other than themselves. This one is just for yourself. Bought an airplane in UGANDA. Think in UGANDA. You and I do not even get the country of the third but the twenty-fifth world !!!!!!!!!!!!!! You understand, he spat in the face of a whole nation, I’m talking about Serdyukov, and even a hunchbacked bitch didn’t do such a thing for the whole history of Russia, and you yourself aren’t funny about the plane.
  • Evgeniy667b
    Evgeniy667b 21 November 2013 09: 14
    10
    For some reason, no one is concerned with the registration of aircraft. But most are registered in offshore zones (Bahamas for example). The same can be said of the navy. A lot of Mongolian !!! ships and few Russian. This is also not good, moreover, it’s no good.
    And the aircraft must be either Russian-made, or purchased from the manufacturer.
  • aud13
    aud13 21 November 2013 09: 25
    14
    I can imagine why our airlines did not buy our TU-334 and TU-204.
    If they are not in the series, then the cost of one or two cars goes off scale.
    The state should have been stimulating. Moreover, it only benefits from this, since there is incentive along the entire chain of manufacturers, and not just aircraft factories.
    When I hear that the state did not have money, then for some reason the question arises - there was enough money to increase gold and foreign exchange resources and to store them abroad, but suddenly it ceased to be enough to revive high-tech industries. For the Olympics, the APEC summit, the World Cup, they also found somewhere rather big ones. Now we do not have time to hold just one Olympics, so fat cats are beginning to lobby for the summer Olympics in St. Petersburg.
    What for? It is clear, after all, that these recreational activities are planned in order to master the country's budget by specific individuals.
    Aircraft industry is too important a part of the country's economy and defense. Therefore, the first persons of the state should not stand aside, turn away and mumble - that these are commercial projects, etc. etc. It is necessary to stimulate and lobby the production of domestic aircraft, which will lead to an increase in their output and lower prices. After that, it will be possible to think about exporting these aircraft to other countries. Investments spent today in full can pay off in the future, with the right approach of the state.
    As for Poghosyan, it seems that the situation is when, for the sake of achieving efficiency in one particular area, the efficiency of the entire aircraft building system is being crushed.
  • sergey72
    sergey72 21 November 2013 09: 41
    +3
    I saw an interview on "Dozhd" with Magomed Tolboev ..... He called everything by its proper names, and not as vaguely as in a letter ...
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 21 November 2013 11: 12
      +4
      Quote: sergey72
      I saw an interview on Dozhd

      Do not mention this anal in the sou ... TV version of Echo matzah.
      1. sergey72
        sergey72 21 November 2013 13: 55
        +1
        Don’t mention this anal sex ... TV version Echo of the matzah ....... I won’t take it anymore, I caught hold of an interview when I ran through the channels (my wife’s television is the prerogative), but in itself it’s indicative of Tolboev’s performances of what he says, shy ...
        1. voffchik7691
          voffchik7691 21 November 2013 23: 03
          -1
          On Ren TV, the same Tolboev showed.
    2. ivshubarin
      ivshubarin 21 November 2013 11: 18
      0
      Tolboev talked a lot about his exploits, only he couldn’t agree with his biography
      1. kris
        21 November 2013 11: 33
        +2
        Quote: ivshubarin
        Tolboev talked a lot about his exploits, only he couldn’t agree with his biography

        if not difficult, share the facts!
  • Archikah
    Archikah 21 November 2013 09: 41
    12
    By the way, if we compare modern Boeings and Airbuses with our TU-154 and IL-86, then the comparison, despite the time difference, is not in favor of the West. I’ve been flying all my life and very often at work. So - I still remember with what comfort I flew at our aviation industry. IL-86 is generally the top of comfort, and found the Tu-204. Very nice plane. But it’s not convenient to enter these western sweatshirts and the toilets are small and the noise in the cabin and vibration are not much better than on carcasses. From a consumer perspective, there is no overwhelming superiority. Maybe they are inferior in terms of external noise and kerosene consumption, but for the consumer this does not matter. And environmentalists are generally a separate issue.
  • Archikah
    Archikah 21 November 2013 09: 42
    +6
    By the way, if we compare modern Boeings and Airbuses with our TU-154 and IL-86, then the comparison, despite the time difference, is not in favor of the West. I’ve been flying all my life and very often at work. So - I still remember with what comfort I flew at our aviation industry. IL-86 is generally the top of comfort, and found the Tu-204. Very nice plane. But it’s not convenient to enter these western sweatshirts and the toilets are small and the noise in the cabin and vibration are not much better than on carcasses. From a consumer perspective, there is no overwhelming superiority. Maybe they are inferior in terms of external noise and kerosene consumption, but for the consumer this does not matter. And environmentalists are generally a separate issue.
  • saag
    saag 21 November 2013 09: 43
    0
    Quote: aud13
    I can imagine why our airlines did not buy our TU-334 and TU-204.
    If they are not in the series, then the cost of one or two cars goes off scale.

    Well, there is leasing
  • Ascetic
    Ascetic 21 November 2013 09: 45
    12
    For fun, you can see the age of domestic aircraft in Russian airlines, as well as their history .. link. There are data on the number of aircraft manufacturing plants located in the territory
    RF and ex. USSR, So in 1990, -84 aircraft were produced at Russian plants (the entire SSSSR-162). Then, output fell sharply, reaching a minimum peak in 2000/01-7 (ex USSR-10). Then it smoothly went up.
    2012- 22(30),2013- 25(29)
    In the USSR, the maximum occurred in 1976. Only 441 of them are Russia -224. I wonder what for 10 years from 1980 to 1990. output fell sharply from 376 to 162 aircraft. The minimum point is 1986-156. If we evaluate the growth dynamics of manufactured aircraft in Russia, it turns out that the result of 1990. we will reach 84 aircraft in 30 years. That is, in fact, a change of a foreign fleet to a domestic one, because if I am not mistaken, there were no Boeings in 1990.
    In the early 2000s, the ratio between domestic and western aircraft was approximately 95 to 5. However, as a result of the intensive process of modernizing the fleet, the number of Soviet / Russian aircraft decreased to 66%, and the number of western aircraft increased by almost 10 times.
    Today, about 67% of aircraft operated in Russia and the CIS are older than 10 years and almost 30% are older than 20 years.
  • sergey261180
    sergey261180 21 November 2013 09: 45
    +3
    Well, there are still naive people! Found someone to write! If we write, so Obama. Well, or in extreme cases, the president of Uganda, so that we do not sell such junk.
  • Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 21 November 2013 09: 45
    +8
    Why is the country's leadership not taking any measures to revive the domestic civil aircraft industry? Russian citizens fly on decrepit Boeing, ready to fall apart at any moment in the air, and domestic aircraft construction is in a deep crisis. Why are huge human sacrifices needed for the government to think about the problem?
    1. Apollo
      Apollo 21 November 2013 10: 17
      12
      quote-Unfortunately, the UAC, led by MA Pogosyan, not only did not establish the production of civilian airliners. His efforts criminally disrupted the production of the near-medium-range Tu-334 aircraft, which had received all the necessary documents for its operation back in the 2005 year.

      Apollon AZ Today, 08: 32 | Sukhoi SuperJet 100 aircraft production will be transferred to the British company
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      Whoever understand something?

      Poghosyan and his gang to the wall. am


      Well, one must look at the water, what do you say Alexander ?! winked
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 21 November 2013 10: 37
        +1
        Quote: Apollon
        Well, one must look at the water, what do you say Alexander?

        Quote: 505506
        505506 Today, 07: 28
        It’s a misfortune in the country, people died, and here the explicit pushing of TU planes. Even if the truth said and the reproaches are true, then they could wait at least 9 days!

        Here is the answer hi
        1. Apollo
          Apollo 21 November 2013 10: 52
          11
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Here is the answer

          Alexander disaster could have been avoided if the Russian fleet during ,would update. In other words, Poghosyan is indirectly to blame for the Kazan air tragedy. Imho.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 21 November 2013 10: 54
            +8
            Quote: Apollon

            Alexander disaster could have been avoided if the Russian fleet on time, would have been updated

            Apollo WHAT WOULD UPDATE? And forgive and blame Pogosyan here, even indirectly, well, this is nonsense. The greed and greed of the company leaders, the reason for the tragedy. Or do you think if the market was TU 334 they would go buy it? No Apollo is expensive, it is much more profitable to buy a dead Boeing.
            1. Apollo
              Apollo 21 November 2013 10: 58
              +6
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Apollo, WHAT WOULD UPDATE?

              Anything, Alexander, even the same Superjet that has been messing around for a year. This is called criminal negligence. Huge money was allocated by the state and things are still there. Poghosyan is not an effective manager but an effective balabol.
              PS
              Now the attorney-visitor Gari will come running and with foam at the mouth he will prove which boy Poghosyan shares. laughing
              1. ivshubarin
                ivshubarin 21 November 2013 11: 01
                +5
                Super Jet cannot replace Boeing, class is not the same
                1. Apollo
                  Apollo 21 November 2013 11: 03
                  +1
                  Quote: ivshubarin
                  Super Jet cannot replace Boeing, class is not the same

                  They are different, too, but the Super Jet is just inside the trunk.
                  1. ivshubarin
                    ivshubarin 21 November 2013 11: 22
                    0
                    Boeing does not produce such a trifle, and SSD helped design
                    1. Apollo
                      Apollo 21 November 2013 11: 25
                      +2
                      Quote: ivshubarin
                      Boeing does not produce such a trifle, and SSD helped design

                      Ivan hi Moscow-Kazan route,
                      Quote: Apollon
                      just inside the trunk.
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              2. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 21 November 2013 11: 27
                +2
                Quote: Apollon

                Anything, Alexander, even the same Superjet, which is busy for a year

                Apollo, aviation is not your topic. How many planes in the country require replacement? You can’t understand that you can’t replace anything with anything.
                Quote: Apollon
                Now the attorney-visitor Gari will come running and with foam at the mouth he will prove which boy Poghosyan shares.

                And it will be right, because in this case to hang the blame on Poghosyan is to remove the blame from the leaders of the airline of Tatarstan hi
                1. Apollo
                  Apollo 21 November 2013 11: 39
                  +6
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  Apollo, aviation is not your topic

                  That's right, BUT, everything related to criminal negligence, carelessness, criminal arrogance and sloppiness-My theme IMHO.
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  And it will be right, because in this case to hang the blame on Poghosyan is to remove the blame from the leaders of the airline of Tatarstan

                  Poghosyan is a supplier and a customer of Tatarstan Airlines. They would deliver new aircraft on time and avoid trouble. Gari lurks and watches how, what, and what. laughing
                  1. Alexander Romanov
                    Alexander Romanov 21 November 2013 12: 06
                    +2
                    Quote: Apollon
                    Poghosyan is a supplier and the customer of Tatarstan Airlines.

                    Tatarstan ordered Superjets ??? If yes, then answer, how can production of hundreds of aircraft be adjusted in a short time, given that everything was destroyed?
          2. Ascetic
            Ascetic 21 November 2013 11: 29
            +9
            Quote: Apollon
            In other words, Poghosyan is indirectly to blame for the Kazan air tragedy. Imho.


            Tu-334 only two planes fly. 1 - Tu-334-100 (head 01-001)Flight No: RA-94001 1999 release in Tupolev Design Bureau01



            2.Tu-334-100 (head 01-005) Board number: 94005 2003 release also in Tupolev Design Bureau.



            I understand both in flight tests. The assembly ends on 01-003, which was assigned an airborne RA-94003 and sides 2 and 4 in production tests. So count since 1999. only 2 aircraft exitof five mortgaged.
            Another 6 should be built for the Air Force, what is their fate and the stage of readiness is unknown.
            Think about it. The numbers say much more eloquently. 15 years have passed and we are not flying on the Tu-334.
            1. Ascetic
              Ascetic 21 November 2013 12: 12
              +9
              For comparison, Ilyushin. Since 1999 14 IL-96 aircraft were built, of which 10 are in operation. In 2013 airborne RA-96021 in a special squad



              All in all, Russia is listed and flies eight of these planes and two are being built. Aeroflot has just six aircraft for ordinary citizens. So the powerful people of this world prefer to fly on Il-ah with new ones, and the common people Boeing from Uganda will fit.
              In total, there are 41 winged aircraft and 16 helicopters in the Arctic
              Almost two billion rubles will be spent on flights of senior officials in 2014. The corresponding application is posted on the public procurement portal.
              The competition for the organization of air transportation was placed by a special flight detachment "Russia", the initial price of the state contract is more than 1,99 billion rubles.

              The winner of the competition will have to organize trips to Russia, as well as to Canada, the USA, Central America, South America, Europe, the near abroad and the CIS, the Baltic states, Asia and the Middle East.
              It is planned to use the An-148, Il-62, Il-96, Tu-134, Tu-154, Tu-214, Yak-40, Airbus 319, Falcon 7X aircraft, as well as AW139 and Mi-8 helicopters.
              link
              The Sukhoi Superjet in Russia in Aeroflot only 2 planes fly. And one in Gazpromavia. Only three. And 10 in leasing - transferred to Aeroflot with further replacement with a later board - due to the fact that it does not meet the requirements of the operator.
              1. ivshubarin
                ivshubarin 21 November 2013 13: 11
                +1
                SSD flies two in Yakutia and eight in Aeroflot
              2. ramzes1776
                ramzes1776 22 November 2013 00: 48
                +1
                Ascetic
                You only work in the analytical center good with a direct report to our "guarantor", otherwise he is not in the know. According to many comments, he is "out of business", in everything subordinates are to blame.
  • Internal combustion engine
    Internal combustion engine 21 November 2013 10: 16
    +4
    On this site, the material is somehow strange. For months, news has been going on about the successes of development under Putin’s Russian aviation, then suddenly there is material that crosses out and announces that the hero is corroded by snakes from the inside and is a half-eyed dummy. What to believe?
    1. kaktus
      kaktus 21 November 2013 17: 50
      +1
      Double-check everything yes
  • Dimon-chik-79
    Dimon-chik-79 21 November 2013 10: 16
    +3
    Quote: APES
    Kind!

    Quote: Ingvar 72
    with Troshev plane


    Confident on 100%


    Yes, it’s definitely not just tragic randomness!
    Rokhlin, Romanov, Troshev?
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 21 November 2013 11: 20
      +5
      Quote: Dimon-chik-79
      Yes, this is definitely not just a tragic accident!
      Rokhlin, Romanov, Troshev?

      And all military generals, with a heightened sense of justice. They are afraid of such, and not in vain. There are many examples in history. drinks
    2. ramzes1776
      ramzes1776 22 November 2013 00: 50
      +1
      Quote: Dimon-chik-79
      Yes, this is definitely not just a tragic accident!
      Rokhlin, Romanov, Troshev?

      Also there are such doubts ?????
  • understudy
    understudy 21 November 2013 10: 28
    +4
    Quote: ed65b
    for the term of the reign of GDP, the country would already fly on its planes


    Yesterday, in the news ... over 10 years, we have about 8 percent of our domestic fleet. Some graduates of two schools preparing GA pilots are sure that the circumference is 300 degrees, and the equator is a straight line connecting the North and South poles. That's it, they were commanded, retrained and reformed.
    1. ramzes1776
      ramzes1776 22 November 2013 00: 52
      +1
      Lebanon low bow negativeAnd the smartest excellent students (who passed the Unified State Examination by 5 points) are now all of us from Dagestan villages !!!
  • Dimon-chik-79
    Dimon-chik-79 21 November 2013 10: 44
    13
    But when will the collapse of Russian aviation be finally stopped? And who?
    Those in power shout to us that our country is a great power, cooler than America! And they are doing everything so that our country would be left without an aircraft industry! We did everything so that Russian citizens fly today mainly on any foreign second-hand stuff, and not on reliable domestic airliners!

    If only the Communists would succeed with the dissolution of this mediocre anti-people government. And the opinion of our Heroes of pilots would have heard the same thing and finally started to defend the interests of Russian citizens and domestic industry!
  • kapitan281271
    kapitan281271 21 November 2013 10: 47
    +8
    The GA pilot was 50 years old, probably retired, I don’t remember the person just in ahu e how now and where the GA pilots are being trained thought it embellishes no plot the first channel license of false pilots GA the school was preparing for 9 months it was his mother like the Ulyanovsk school 5 years and the school for several months, and then "AK established a pilot error" and GDP, well, nothing to do with "Rafik was completely unknown"
  • Turkestan
    Turkestan 21 November 2013 10: 57
    +6
    Igor Petrovich BRAVO. I absolutely agree with your letter. If you open the sites of Ilyushin, Tupolev, Yakovlev, Myasishchev then you will find ready-made passenger planes there. I can’t understand why the Russian government gave preference to the company DRY, which did not when it was not engaged in the construction of passenger aircraft. Then they remembered Tu-334,204 and I would recall such aircraft as the Il-114, Il-76 MF which were built more than 20 years ago. As information on the IL-114, avionics was also installed more than 20 years ago.
  • Hort
    Hort 21 November 2013 11: 00
    +5
    Pontus from this letter ...
    We have a piece production, because less than 50 hot water supply per year we issue against 400 "watermelons" and "bobiks".
    The superjet, of course, turned out to be gold in terms of money. initially they gave it to a company that has never dealt with civil aircraft. This is the same as with the "Bulava" story. And that it has shortcomings is a no brainer - the plane is new, damp, and subsequently the jambs will be corrected during operation.
    But airlines need to be lured in every way to finance the production of Russian aircraft. The first step towards this already exists - a regional transportation subsidy program, according to which those flying on the Sukhikh-100 and An-148 will receive more subsidies. What will come of it, let's see.
    Another big minus, in addition to the KLA and Poghosyan, is the entry into the WTO, thanks to which the state now has no right to directly finance and support airlines that would like to fly our planes.
  • gorku68
    gorku68 21 November 2013 11: 11
    +1
    How many more airplanes and souls need to be destroyed so that everything moves off the ground. I support, the state is obliged to intervene.
    1. MBA78
      MBA78 21 November 2013 17: 36
      +1
      it’s not a dead point, everything has been moving for a long time (integration of globalization, etc.) it’s the inertial result of decisions made in the era of changes * aviation is a complex structure and requires a special attitude inexperience, then find a solution to embark on the right course
      1. Hort
        Hort 21 November 2013 22: 40
        0
        Today the news flashed that dry-100 will be produced over the hill. presumably in Britain.
        IS THIS the right course? If this turns out to be true, for such "courses" one should exile the Polar Railroad to build or hang up immediately.
  • Bakht
    Bakht 21 November 2013 11: 12
    +5
    Who do they write to?

    In 2011, after the disaster near Ulyanovsk, Russian President Medvedev publicly announced, "we will buy aircraft abroad." And Prime Minister Putin was silent in a rag.

    What will the former president-current prime minister say now?
  • goldfinger
    goldfinger 21 November 2013 11: 14
    +8
    From Minsk. Tatarstan Airlines General Director Aksan Giniyatullin on November 19, told reporters why at the last moment the board of the airliner departing for Kazan was replaced. It was planned to use the Canadian Bombardier airliner on this flight, but at the last moment, according to Giniyatullin, it turned out that more tickets were sold, and the Canadian plane could not accommodate everyone. As a result, the liner was replaced by a much more "battered" Boeing. In fact, this version does not seem plausible, because 44 passengers flew this flight, and there are 50 passenger seats in the Bombardier.
    More plausible is the version that the aircraft was replaced at the request of VIP passengers - the dead son of President Irek Minnikhanov and the head of the Federal Security Service of Tatarstan Alexander Antonov. The fact is that in the less capacious Bombardier there is no business class cabin, and they wanted to fly in business class. Now Antonov and Minnikhanov went to court in Allah in business class, taking their subjects to the grave. As in ancient times, the leader was buried in the mound with his retinue. (Oh dead or good, or nothing but the truth). And how much is spent on the maintenance of VIP rooms for Putin lackeys ??? Recently, Putin personally expanded the circle of persons admitted to VIP halls! Does President Obama Sign VIP Room Documents? It turns out they are not in the USA! Feel the difference!
  • Sterlya
    Sterlya 21 November 2013 11: 26
    +1
    and will continue to buy scrap metal. I have no doubt about this. knowing our eggheads, money hungry
  • Pancreas
    Pancreas 21 November 2013 11: 28
    +7
    Quote: Nikolai S.
    Dimon iPhone is ruining everything that reaches out, crap everywhere. It's time to drive this character.



    +++ Incomprehensible, sneaky, adapting to the "political moment" character ruling the country. For some reason, his actions are always directed against the state, which he leads.
  • military
    military 21 November 2013 11: 30
    12
    "Dear Vladimir Vladimirovich! We still have time to fix everything. It is enough to listen to the expert opinion ..."
    Hero of the Soviet Union, space pilot
    Wolf Igor Petrovich;
    Heroes of Russia, Honored Test Pilots of the Russian Federation:
    Yesayan Ruben Tatevosovich,
    Knyshov Anatoly Nikolaevich,
    Matveyev Vladimir Nikolaevich,
    Shchepetkov Oleg Adolfovich;
    Hero of Russia, aerospace systems tester
    Kiryushin Evgeny Aleksandrovich

    Won't hear ... No. he has his own "heroes" ... the Kadyrovs ... the Makarovs ...
    1. sashka
      sashka 21 November 2013 11: 44
      +2
      If such "u" (urki) important people rule in the Country .. President, what should I expect from you? Just g --- but not remembering kinship .. Most likely Hebrew is closer to your heart?
      1. military
        military 21 November 2013 11: 56
        +2
        offend ... very remembering ... kinship and nepotism, as always, in the first place ... laughing
  • Des10
    Des10 21 November 2013 11: 42
    +6
    The development strategy of the domestic aviation industry - the President is responsible for it.
    During his leadership of the state, he could choose the course for the application and development of our airplanes and enterprises in the Civil Aviation Administration - basically so, according to the state.
    Not. I could not see and evaluate the problem.
    Let it not be possible, but at least in the documents-speeches it would, - said Tu, Ily, Yaki, Ana (in cooperation) - our priority over foreign companies.
    Used foreign cars pre-rolled - the same applies to used airplanes.
  • btsypulin
    btsypulin 21 November 2013 11: 42
    +3
    Good day to all! The correct and specific letter. The fact that Pogosyan’s enterprise has become a family business has long been known to everyone. I learned about this from my colleague, who worked for Poghosyan, and when he talked about it, at first I did not believe that such a thing was so bad in this industry ..........
    1. military
      military 21 November 2013 12: 14
      +5
      the largest family business - the project "Russia" ... from 91st to the present day ...
      1. Manul
        Manul 21 November 2013 13: 36
        +6
        Quote: military
        the largest family business - the project "Russia" ... from 91st to the present day ...

        And our industries are run not by specialists who understand all the needs and aspirations of their business, but by business executives, like supply managers. They need to get profit at any cost, regardless of the needs of the country, nor people, nor for the benefit of their native state. , is it their own ..? They are citizens of the countries where their villas are located.
        1. military
          military 21 November 2013 14: 15
          +3
          Quote: Manul

          And our industries are run not by specialists who understand all the needs and aspirations of their business, but by business executives, like supply managers. They need to get profit at any cost, regardless of the needs of the country, nor people, nor for the benefit of their native state. , is it their own ..? They are citizens of the countries where their villas are located.

          Well, what did you want? ... stability - it is so ...
          by the way, a very entertaining "message" ... perceived in its own way by different social strata of society ... by those in power at all levels ("choose and steal calmly"), the business community ("choose - and keep your business"), state employees ("choose - and wait for salary indexation"), pensioners ("choose - or you will lose your pension") ... everyone, in his own way, was "interested" in his future ... and we live like that ...