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“The Millennium Scam” is over: the last batch of our uranium went overseas

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“The Millennium Scam” is over: the last batch of our uranium went overseasRussia paid the US indemnity for the loss in the Cold War


Almost no Russian media has paid attention to an event that happened at the end of last week. From the port of St. Petersburg on a trip across the Atlantic went merchant ship Atlantic Navigator. On board the vessel are containers with Russian uranium.

"Deal of Mountain - Chernomyrdin": the true goals of our American "partners"

It was the last batch of uranium, which was sent to the United States on the basis of the Russian-American agreement concluded 20 years ago, providing for the supply to America of 500 metric tons of uranium, which Russia pledged to extract from its nuclear weapons and which America intended to use as fuel for the operation of nuclear power plants.

The 1990s were quite actively talking about this uranium transaction, but today this topic has been "behind the scenes" of discussing the key problems of our life. And the younger generation simply did not hear anything about it. Therefore, we need to remind her history. Immediately, I note that this is not an ordinary trade and economic transaction, beneficial for both parties. This is an act of Russia's largest robbery, not only in its recent history, but also in the entire history of the country. Russia lost the Cold War to the West, above all to the United States. Lost to a large extent due to the treacherous policy of our leaders. The same leaders continued to pass the country in the 1990s. "Uranium Deal" - the consent of our treacherous elite to pay tribute to the winner in the form of weapons-grade uranium. The principal agreement on this was reached between the then Prime Minister of the Russian Federation V.S. Chernomyrdin and US Vice-President A. Gore, so this deal is often called the Gore-Chernomyrdin deal. It is also called the “Millennium Scam” because of its unprecedented scale. In fact, it was the operation of the West, which solved several strategic objectives at once:

a) unilateral nuclear disarmament of Russia by depriving it of weapons-grade uranium reserves, as well as preparing the conditions for the United States to withdraw from the ABM Treaty;

b) causing enormous economic damage to Russia (the accumulated stockpile of weapons-grade plutonium was a significant part of the national wealth of Russia at that time);

c) depriving Russia of colossal energy sources in the future after the planned introduction of a new thorium nuclear power technology.

The scale of the robbery of Russia

The “scam of the millennium” was dubbed the deal because, firstly, it was of enormous proportions, and secondly, it was fraudulently concluded. Many Russian and American media sought to present it as an ordinary commercial agreement. The total transaction amount for the supply of 500 tons of uranium was determined to 11,9 billion dollars. Meanwhile, the cost of the specified volume of highly enriched uranium is incomparably higher. To produce such a volume of weapons-grade uranium, several hundred thousand people worked in the mining and defense industries of the country for about 40 years. Production is dangerous, tens of thousands of people have lost their health and ability to work, shortened their lives. These were tremendous sacrifices in order to forge the country's nuclear shield and ensure a peaceful peaceful life of the USSR and the countries of the socialist camp. This uranium ensured military-strategic parity in the world, which sharply reduced the risk of a world war. On the other hand, in the American media there are such estimates: at the expense of Russian uranium, at the beginning of this century, 50% of electricity was produced at US nuclear power plants. Every tenth kilowatt-hour of electricity in the entire American economy was provided by uranium from Russia. According to estimates that were made by specialists at the end of the last century, the real cost of 500 tons of weapons-grade plutonium was at least 8 trillions of dollars at that time. For comparison, we note that the average annual value of Russia's annual GDP, according to Rosstat, in the last decade of the last century was in the 400 region of billions of dollars. It turns out that the actual price of the uranium transaction was only 0,15% relative to the minimum real value of the goods. The real value of uranium turned out to be equivalent to the country's 20 (twenty) annual GDP!

There were many wars in the history of mankind. After them, the vanquished often paid reparations and indemnities to the winners. Recall, for example, the Franco-Prussian 1871 War of the Year. The “Iron Chancellor” Bismarck appointed a contribution to the defeated France in approximately 13% of GDP (5 billion francs). Probably the largest indemnity in recent history was paid by the defeated Germany in the First World War. The media reports that Germany only three years ago finished paying reparations under the terms of the 1919 Paris Peace Treaty of the year. Reparations were imposed on Germany in the amount of 269 billion gold marks. The amount, of course, is huge: it is equivalent to about 100 000 tons of gold. At the current price of the yellow metal is obtained about 4 trillions of dollars. Experts in the field of economic history claim that the reparations appointed by Germany in Paris were about twice the GDP of the then Germany. By the way, reparations payments by Germany stretched for 90 years (intermittently, payments were made for about 70 years in pure form); the payment of the "uranium reparations" by Russia was packed in 20 years, and most of the uranium was supplied to the USA in the 1990s.

It is early to put an end to history

"Uranium transaction" was made in complete secrecy from the people. Even many “people's representatives” were not aware of it - for the reason that, in violation of Russian legislation, it did not go through the ratification procedure in our parliament. In the second half of 1990, a number of deputies launched an investigation to ascertain the terms of the transaction, the circumstances of its conclusion, and the assessment of compliance with the Constitution of the Russian Federation and other regulatory acts of Russia. As a result of the strong pressure of certain influential forces from the environment of the then President of the country B.N. Yeltsin failed to investigate. Many of our other politicians tried to sort out the deal, and even sought to denounce the agreement on the supply of uranium to the United States. Among them, for example, the legendary General L. Rokhlin, the Prosecutor General Y. Skuratov, the deputy of the State Duma V. Ilyukhin. Many attribute the death of Rokhlin and the resignation of Skuratov precisely to the fact that they were excessively active in the investigation of the “uranium transaction”.

Even if the supply of uranium within the framework of the Gore-Chernomyrdin transaction is completed, this does not mean that the end should be put on history. It is necessary to return to the most serious analysis and investigation of the transaction within the framework of a special interdepartmental commission with the participation of nuclear industry experts, people's representatives (deputies of the State Duma), law enforcement officers, the Foreign Ministry, the Ministry of Defense, other departments and organizations, independent experts in technical, military, legal and economic issues.

Firstly, there are suspicions that a number of individuals involved in the transaction still remain in the "holder" of current politicians and government officials. There is no guarantee that they will not continue to work in the interests of the United States and the West.

Secondly, we need a correct and honest understanding of our recent history. Without truthful disclosure of the details of the “uranium transaction” and its political, military, moral evaluation, there is no guarantee that we will not again step on such a rake. An analysis of the true goals of the American side of the transaction vividly highlights the true goals and interests of those whom, unfortunately, we continue to call “partners” by inertia.

Third, we need sound and detailed assessments of the economic damage caused by the transaction to Russia and its people. In any attempt by Russia to embark on the path of economic revival, the West will put a spoke in the wheels of our real reforms, social and economic transformations. We must be prepared for the fact that the West will increasingly issue us with all sorts of “bills” - for example, if we try to de-offshore our economy. Through the courts of the United States, Great Britain and other European countries, disagreements will inevitably begin on the part of the owners of offshore companies and / or their representatives with far-fetched claims for compensation for "damages." Approximately the same reaction can be expected if Russia decides to withdraw from the WTO, restrict foreign investment or even restrict the repatriation of foreign investors' profits from Russia. We must be prepared for the fact that it may be necessary to issue reciprocal "bills" to our Western "partners." The largest of all possible counter "bills" is our claims to the United States for the reimbursement of the gigantic damage inflicted on Russia by the "uranium transaction".
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  1. Volodya Sibiryak
    Volodya Sibiryak 21 November 2013 12: 57
    88
    There should be no statute of limitations for such crimes.
    1. smel
      smel 21 November 2013 16: 16
      58
      And the Motherland just needs to know its "heroes" by surname. But I am sure that again no one will ever answer for anything ... this is our tradition - there are no extraditions from the galleys
      1. klimpopov
        klimpopov 21 November 2013 16: 17
        58
        I read yesterday.
        Repeat
        They needed to deliver uranium by rockets.

        And by the way, what kind of uranium are we talking about? And then the article is somehow muddy.
        1. slavik_gross
          slavik_gross 21 November 2013 16: 26
          +5
          weapons-grade plutonium
          1. klimpopov
            klimpopov 21 November 2013 16: 34
            +3
            Yes, there are mixed and uranium 232 and plutonium. In general, it is not clear what when and how much.
            Firstly, there are suspicions that a number of individuals involved in the transaction still remain in the "holder" of current politicians and government officials. There is no guarantee that they will not continue to work in the interests of the United States and the West.

            Well, that’s it! Maybe the captain still looked to them?
            1. Generalissimus
              Generalissimus 21 November 2013 18: 29
              12
              Colleagues, I am very surprised by both the article and your general reaction to it.
              The article is frankly incompetent.
              By the way, on this site there have already been attempts to analyze this transaction. With fairly competent conclusions.
              There was a very serious article on this subject, unfortunately, I do not remember the source now.

              In general, do not grieve like that. In fact, Russia really benefited greatly from this deal, and strategically.

              Well, in order to understand the essence a bit, re-read the article:

              http://topwar.ru/29719-zachem-russkie-otdali-ssha-svoy-uran-i-otdali-li.html
              1. FATEMOGAN
                FATEMOGAN 21 November 2013 19: 17
                +9
                Quote: Generalissimus
                In general, do not grieve like that. In fact, Russia really benefited greatly from this deal, and strategically.


                I agree with you, not everything is as bad as it seems at first glance, here are just small consequences of this "unfavorable" deal for us from the article you quoted:
                The United States has lost many positions in the fuel cycle and is dependent on imports.

                So hard work with weapons-grade uranium in Russia benefited, and in the United States, thanks to it, the degradation of the nuclear industry accelerated. The flagship of American enrichment is USEC, after the work of the HEU-LEU program it is in a deep crisis, and Russia still somehow still has almost 800 tons of free weapons-grade uranium.
                1. pensioner
                  pensioner 21 November 2013 21: 46
                  +5
                  Quote: FATEMOGAN
                  The flagship of American enrichment is USEC, after the work of the HEU-LEU program it is in a deep crisis, and Russia still somehow still has almost 800 tons of free weapons-grade uranium.

                  Correctly. Americans in general counted 1200 tons ... Someone our factory didn’t turn off ... Even in the worst of times ... And right now there is generally happiness for the hard workers ... They can lie of course, but for what they bought ...
                  1. Generalissimus
                    Generalissimus 21 November 2013 22: 24
                    41
                    So I don't understand why such "articles" are immediately picked up and this "Yaroslavna's cry" is heard.

                    The author is obviously lying, it is unclear only - he himself does not know or intentionally lies.
                    Russia has never sold weapons-grade uranium (more than 90% enrichment).
                    She sold diluted with low enriched uranium when the product shipped to the USA contained no more than 4% of the isotope.. That is, there was no talk of any sale of weapons-grade uranium.
                    Why didn't you keep it to yourself? And where to put it? As a result of all this "Scam of the Millennium" - Russia not only preserved its uranium processing and enrichment infrastructure, but also created centrifuges of such a level and with such capabilities that they are ahead of the whole world (I emphasize this) for decades. To anyone interested, just ask this question.
                    At the same time, the United States, with its gas diffusion method, is literally in a trough.
                    Exactly because their enrichment method consumes energy in dozens of times more. And they are now forced steal all your capacities and start building a cycle using centrifuges from scratch! Which still need to learn to do at the Russian level.

                    At one time, to work on the gas diffusion method, the USSR built specially gigantic power plants to ensure the operation of enrichment complexes. And in time he changed the method, switching to centrifuges. Now in Russia these settings are already of the 8 generation, if the memory does not change. Rotation speed over 1500 revolutions per second! Mounting the head in a magnetic field.
                    Only to describe this business is pride in the country.
                    in the United States remained on gas diffusion. Moreover, the United States did not know that the USSR switched to centrifuges for decades - how can one not recall everyone scolding the USSR with its closed cities and regimes of secrecy. The United States believed that centrifuges were a dead end and believed that the USSR was also sitting on diffusion. And the Union found a way to improve the centrifuge method and saved on this by 50 times in the energy consumed for enriching uranium. In the states, it was just crazy expenses for all these decades. Be proud, colleagues! There is something!

                    Europeans are only trying to reach this level, creating experimental installations of enormous size.

                    So in the end of this "millennium scam" there are only one pluses. Not only preserved, but also sharply leaped forward technology, saved and increased personnel, undermined (if not destroyed) a similar industry from "partners". There was no point in storing this enriched uranium - we produce more than enough to replace the "aging" one. Unlike the United States, which already eat up their weapons..

                    By the way, the capabilities of our centrifuges are such that we can literally make any metal, even gold, even platinum from any ore.
                    But it is economically more profitable to make metals that are many times more expensive than the same weapons-grade uranium. And we do it. Unlike the USA.

                    So just remember the words of Professor Preobrazhensky: do not read the newspapers in the morning. None.
                    The usual one \ throw on a fan is this article.
                    1. Generalissimus
                      Generalissimus 21 November 2013 22: 42
                      +3
                      By the way, the US "partners" have the opinion that Russia simply deceived the US by supplying mostly ordinary low-enrichment fuel uranium. winked
                      1. AlNikolaich
                        AlNikolaich 21 November 2013 23: 25
                        +3
                        Quote: Generalissimus
                        By the way, the US "partners" have the opinion that Russia simply deceived the US by supplying mostly ordinary low-enrichment fuel uranium.

                        What did they want? Weapon uranium and plutonium? But the ryah won't crack? Let them rejoice that they did not put lead ...
                      2. clidon
                        clidon 22 November 2013 05: 24
                        0
                        They wanted fuel first and they got it. Secondly, we "diluted" the reduction of the "nuclear threat" and 500 tons.
                    2. clidon
                      clidon 22 November 2013 05: 23
                      0
                      And the Americans, in general, by and large did not care what kind of uranium Russia supplied them with - they demanded dilution of 500 tons of uranium so that it was done under their control and the fuel was delivered to their market. But was that uranium from warheads or not, it was not so important.
                    3. nickname 1 and 2
                      nickname 1 and 2 22 November 2013 10: 09
                      0
                      Quote: Generalissimus
                      By the way, the US "partners" have the opinion that Russia simply deceived the US by supplying mostly ordinary low-enrichment fuel uranium. winked



                      Most likely = psychotherapy !!!!!!! but nice!
                    4. military
                      military 22 November 2013 11: 59
                      +1
                      Quote: Generalissimus
                      By the way, the US "partners" have the opinion that Russia simply deceived the US by supplying mostly ordinary low-enrichment fuel uranium.

                      how can one doubt the supply of our uranium? ... nonsense! ... it's first-class weapons grade plutonium! ... and its quality is not worse than that of gold stored in the basements of Fort Knox ... laughing true, the whole world is whispering about some tungsten blanks ... but this is also "nonsense" ... wink
                    5. Generalissimus
                      Generalissimus 22 November 2013 12: 30
                      +6
                      Fir-trees, sticks, at least did you understand something from what you read ??

                      NEVER Russia sold weapons-grade plutonium or weapons-grade uranium.
                      The deal was about low enriched fuel uranium, and the concentration was 4%.
                      ** Weapon-grade plutonium and weapons-grade uranium - things are completely different. Weapon-grade plutonium is an extremely dirty and dangerous substance, the only plant in the world to receive it now remains in Japan. The United States shut down the reactor soon as 20 years ago, ours in the zero seem.
                      They are not using it in weapons now. This metal was used in the first generations of atomic weapons.
                      **
                      Russia did not have its own sufficient deposits for the industry to function after the collapse of the USSR, and if it were not for the HEU-LEU deal, it would have safely bent.
                      Under this deal, Russia received 118 000 tone of uranium ore from the United States and the West, which will be enough for a few more years of capacity utilization after the transaction. This made it possible for Russia not to ruin its capacities, develop them, and find additional own sources of ore.

                      The US opinion that Russia has corrupted the United States is based on the fact that low-enriched uranium sent to the United States under the transaction could be obtained both from weapons-grade uranium and from the very ore that Russia received from the West.
                      Be that as it may, at the end of the transaction, weapons-grade uranium reserves in Russia and the United States became even more unbalanced in favor of Russia. So who won, even considering only this aspect, not to mention other, more important?
                      Do not talk about nonsense before you understand the question. In order not to get into trouble.
                    6. Lyokhin63
                      Lyokhin63 22 November 2013 20: 42
                      0
                      Quote: Generalissimus
                      Do not talk about nonsense before you understand the question. In order not to get into trouble.

                      Thank! But I was seduced first by this article ... After all, how it is pumped into it beautifully! The article does not say a word about raw materials.
                    7. clidon
                      clidon 22 November 2013 21: 15
                      0
                      The US opinion that Russia has corrupted the United States is based on the fact that low-enriched uranium sent to the United States under the transaction could be obtained both from weapons-grade uranium and from the very ore that Russia received from the West.

                      The Americans followed the process of diluting uranium. No need to consider them idiots.
                    8. Gordarik
                      Gordarik 23 November 2013 13: 00
                      0
                      Quote: Generalissimus
                      Fir-trees, sticks, at least did you understand something from what you read ??

                      NEVER Russia sold weapons-grade plutonium or weapons-grade uranium.

                      Do you know the word "Sarcasm"? laughing

                      On the Millennium Scam - thanks for the clarification good.
                    9. Encoder
                      Encoder 26 November 2013 16: 54
                      0
                      Well, weapons-grade plutonium is still produced by all our nuclear power plants, albeit in small quantities. Really very poisonous thing. That is why at nuclear power plants for the production of electricity. nobody uses his energy
                    10. postman
                      postman 27 November 2013 13: 57
                      0
                      Quote: Generalissimus
                      Fir-trees, sticks, at least did you understand something from what you read ??

                      They did not read
                      Quote: Generalissimus
                      The US opinion that Russia has trivially deceived the United States,

                      This is close to the truth, only specific people deceived (well, enriched), and not Russia
              2. FATEMOGAN
                FATEMOGAN 22 November 2013 00: 06
                0
                Quote: Generalissimus
                So I don't understand why such "articles" are immediately picked up and this "Yaroslavna's cry" is heard.


                So read below some comments from the category:

                Quote: Grenader
                Now the Putinists will run and start screaming


                And everything is immediately clear, how to put it mildly about the mental illness, these eternally whining Yaroslavn, such expressions I met except on "Echo Matza", when for the sake of sports curiosity wandered there.
              3. Kolya
                Kolya 22 November 2013 00: 13
                +2
                It’s just that Americans felt that the environmental costs of ore mining exceed economic benefits. They endure harmful extractions in third countries (fracking doesn’t matter as the matter is new and the legislation remains unregulated). It would be better if Russia burned that uranium at its nuclear power plants, the economic benefit would be greater. We can be glad that Russia is ahead of everyone in the uranium enrichment technology, but the thing about the upset is that it is again this ill-fated raw material sector.
                1. bif
                  bif 22 November 2013 01: 42
                  +1
                  Quote: Kohl
                  It’s just that Americans felt that the environmental costs of ore mining exceed economic benefits.

                  Bullshit ... What can you say about the fact that recently the states decided to revive their "nuclear" industry and calculated that tens of billions of dollars are needed ...
                2. EvilLion
                  EvilLion 22 November 2013 13: 43
                  0
                  Aha, then without any nuclear war, the graphite rods are inside and the President of the United States will travel to the Kremlin more often than Yanukovich
              4. bif
                bif 22 November 2013 01: 55
                +5
                Quote: Generalissimus
                The author is obviously lying, it is unclear only - he himself does not know or intentionally lies.

                Rather, an author from the "pissed-all-polymers" ™ camp.
                Here is a clear analysis of the situation around "LEU-HEU" and all the advantages for the Russian Federation. "Until 1995, the only enrichment plant in the United States that was responsible for both the production of weapons-grade uranium and the supply of uranium to reactors for nuclear power plants in the United States - the current USEC company - was a structural unit of the US Department of Energy (DOE). At the same time, the number of its own EPP (enrichment capacity fissile materials), which was at the disposal of the United States until 1991 (and this is the only gaseous diffusion plant in Paducah) was only 8,5 million SWU. And the need for all nuclear reactors built by 1979 in the USA (after 1979 in the USA, reactors were not built - and more on that below) was, according to an estimate, from 11 to 12 million SWU per year ... US nuclear power plants began to consume more uranium since 1965 than the US managed to enrich. And the US began to cover the difference by releasing weapon-grade uranium and plutonium with its subsequent use in fuel for nuclear power plants.
                Already in the 1979 year, the United States realized that if things went on like that, they risk being left completely without nuclear weapons. And they were forced to stop building nuclear power plants .. However, already built nuclear power plants gradually consumed the US nuclear stockpile, and American businessmen did not intend to close them, as foolish Japanese or Germans do. I had to look for a source of supply of additional quantities of nuclear fuel ..
                In the 90s, Russia, after the separation of Ukraine and Kazakhstan, simply did not have enough natural uranium to fully load its enrichment facilities. Own production of natural uranium in Russia focused on a single facility - the Priargunsky deposit, where only about 2.500 tons of ore was mined, and at least 7.000 tons were needed per year. Why let ultracentrifuges stand idle?
                Therefore, the Americans were told that Russia allegedly lacked natural uranium to dilute the weapons component. In order to ensure at least some implementation of the program (and for the first 6 years of the contract, only 50 tons of HEU diluted with any kind of shred were shipped), in the 1999 year, the US Government convinces the largest western producers of natural uranium - Cameco (Canada), Cogema ( now Areva, France), and Nukem (Germany) to sell Russia at a special price 118.000 tons of natural uranium! You think about this figure - this is the raw material on 17 years of full loading of our centrifuges. And the USA provided it to us.
                Why? Because the fuel situation in the United States was absolutely disastrous ... "
                http://oko-planet.su/politik/politiklist/151491-zachem-russkie-otdali-ssha-svoy-

                uran.html
                1. Muadipus
                  Muadipus 22 November 2013 02: 59
                  0
                  Thanks for the reference, very informative.
              5. SSR
                SSR 22 November 2013 03: 37
                +1
                At least one sensible comment + to you.
                In general, Americans and Europeans are sitting not only on a gas needle, but also on a "fuel rod" - ove, roughly the manufacture of our fuel rod costs 100 units, the American European 1200 units, the nuclear power plant is working, and the Handles are here!
                In general, they actually boarded the fuel rod "kokand".
                Everything else is the whining of Yaroslavna.
              6. nickname 1 and 2
                nickname 1 and 2 22 November 2013 10: 08
                +2
                Quote: Generalissimus
                So just remember the words of Professor Preobrazhensky: do not read the newspapers in the morning. None. The usual \ throw on a fan is this article.


                AND YOU ARE ABLE TO BELIEVE! BRAVO1
              7. Lyokhin63
                Lyokhin63 22 November 2013 20: 30
                0
                Quote: Generalissimus
                Rotational speed of more than 1500 revolutions per second! Mounting the head in a magnetic field.

                We got a small-sized German vacuum post with TMN. The maximum turbine speed is 90 rpm. There are no Russian analogues. Again, we hid our technolologies from ourselves again. It's a shame damn it.
              8. iConst
                iConst 28 November 2013 11: 24
                0
                Quote: Generalissimus
                Now in Russia, these settings are already the 8th generation, if memory does not change. Rotational speed of more than 1500 revolutions per second! Mounting the head in a magnetic field.

                If I’m not mistaken, centrifuges are being made at the Kovrov arms factory. And because of this, it was necessary to abandon the production of certain types of weapons in order to preserve the plant and the production of these centrifuges.
          2. donchepano
            donchepano 22 November 2013 06: 02
            +1
            Quote: FATEMOGAN
            and Russia still somehow still has almost 800 tons of free weapons-grade uranium.

            something in my opinion is from the realm of fiction ...
            Russia has almost no weapons-grade uranium left
            1. ssergn
              ssergn 22 November 2013 09: 05
              +1
              Where is the droushka? belay
            2. 31231
              31231 22 November 2013 15: 33
              +1
              Russia has almost no weapons-grade uranium left

              Are you talking to the Commander-in-Chief of the Strategic Missile Forces?

              From personal observations I can say one thing. Yes, we have Krasnokamensk (Priargunye) production volumes are small. But in 2010 he was traveling from Yakutia with a geolukh, a state party. So they did a detailed exploration of the uranium deposit in the Aldan region. The results by itself, he did not tell me.

              In the Ural nuclear cities of Ozersk, Novouralsk, Lesnoy, I can say that they live quite well. Novouralsk is also being rapidly built in civil engineering.

              I will not tell you about new fast-neutron power units. But we have plans to launch a BSPP this year.
              In general, for me personally, two state corporations that after the collapse of the USSR did not lose their strength are Gazprom and Rosatom.
        2. AVV
          AVV 21 November 2013 22: 24
          0
          Quite right, there is a blessing in disguise! Because of this scam and dumping of the uranium mixture, America has lost its uranium enrichment technology, and now, in order not to stop their nuclear power plants, they will have to put their nuclear charges under the knife to receive fuel for NPPs or TVELs should be bought from us, but only at a commercial price !!! Not for nothing Obama suggested that nuclear weapons be further reduced! What Russia has lost after 90 years, Russia will now pay for it three times. And they simply have nowhere to go, either close the stations or buy fuel from other states !!!
          1. abdrah
            abdrah 22 November 2013 02: 30
            +2
            Everything is fine, but Ukraine is buying a supplier of fuel elements in the USA from Westinghouse Electric Company. Significantly more expensive than the Russian ones, and there were big issues with the quality, the damaged assemblies were recently put up, and they refused to change, they say the Ukrainians themselves damaged during transportation-loading.
            To spite grandmother frostbite my ears, so probably you need to understand these Ukrainian moves? Or reparations Ukraine put worse than Russian ??
        3. Kolya
          Kolya 21 November 2013 23: 41
          +8
          This, even in the rainiest dream, would not happen that the Americans, at the peak of their victory in the Cold War, would sign a deal that would be beneficial for Russia strategically. And you can trust Valentin Katasonov more than Chernomyrdin. And the analysis can be embellished in any direction, while the main facts remain hidden.
        4. Internet fighter
          Internet fighter 22 November 2013 01: 20
          +2
          The article is absolutely not competent.
          It can be disassembled and argued, why not ... In the name of youth, by the way, I say. Although the author claims that young people have not heard about this ... well, approximately as the author about HTML5.
          Throughout the article, but throughout (from the quarry) there is not even an attempt to understand what is happening, and even to consider at least some factors.
          It would be worth noting that Russia did not process the blocks because they were over one and a half ten thousand with a limited shelf life, but also because no one else could process weapons-grade uranium into U-235.
          About humane thoughts about the multiple destruction of all life on Earth - the most developed part of it ... even kneading in a heap is not worth it.

          Here are some thoughts:

          Yes, and 3 treaties on strategic offensive arms could be pulled more seriously.
          PS. And the article should have been called "Fucked up all the polymers." The essence would be clearer.
          1. SSR
            SSR 22 November 2013 03: 46
            0
            So them all! For they really do not have information about the enrichment of "uranium" and who is where at the technological level, and that the whole world is dejected by Russia and that they cannot catch up with our level of enrichment and the level and level of the generation of centrifuges.
      2. V. Salama
        V. Salama 22 November 2013 11: 03
        0
        Quote: klimpopov
        Yes, there are mixed and uranium 232 and plutonium. In general, it is not clear what when and how much.
        And this was the right move - to dilute, so that they would not stick into your bomb.
    2. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 21 November 2013 18: 51
      +2
      Quote: slavik_gross
      weapons-grade plutonium

      Weapon-grade plutonium recycled for nuclear power plants.
    3. V. Salama
      V. Salama 22 November 2013 10: 54
      0
      Quote: slavik_gross
      weapons-grade plutonium

      According to M. Poltoranin, we had to dismantle 20 thousand nuclear warheads for this. Regarding the "rifle" fuel, even the leadership of "Arzamas-18" was indignant at the end of 1999 that "if it goes on like this, we will be left without nuclear weapons" (from a TV speech). The meaning of the problem was not revealed at the same time, but now it becomes clear what it is about.
    4. postman
      postman 27 November 2013 13: 55
      0
      Quote: slavik_gross
      weapons-grade plutonium

      Smack nonsense she squeals
  2. dmitrich
    dmitrich 21 November 2013 18: 29
    +5
    muddy story.
  3. ekzorsist
    ekzorsist 21 November 2013 20: 00
    +5
    I agree !!!
    ... Or maybe they can still send them "appendages" of 50 - 70 tons ... Let them rejoice.
    1. Yura
      Yura 21 November 2013 21: 37
      +3
      Quote: ekzorsist
      And can they still send them in this way "appendages" of tons of 50 - 70 ... Let them rejoice.

      Airmail ??!
      1. Raven1972
        Raven1972 21 November 2013 22: 25
        +7
        Quote: Jura
        Airmail ??!

        Missile Express Topol-M hi laughing
        1. Yura
          Yura 21 November 2013 22: 39
          +6
          Quote: Raven1972
          Missile Express Topol-M

          Oh ... oh, and this is even faster, it would be necessary to demand an additional payment from them for the promptness and urgency of delivery. fellow drinks
          1. Raven1972
            Raven1972 21 November 2013 23: 34
            +4
            Duc must be taken immediately, 100% prepayment soldier laughing drinks
  4. voldmis
    voldmis 21 November 2013 22: 45
    11
    Quote: klimpopov
    And by the way, what kind of uranium are we talking about? And then the article is somehow muddy.



    We are talking about highly enriched uranium 235. This isotope is very rare. Its prevalence in nature is only 0,72% of the total amount of uranium. And only this isotope used for most nuclear reactors and nuclear warheads. Our ancestors in the USSR gained 1200 tons of this raw material at the cost of their health and lives. The problem is that his reserves in the world are running out. And we sold it for HEU-KNOW for a penny in the 90s.
    1. sleepy
      sleepy 21 November 2013 23: 15
      +4
      Quote: klimpopov

      "And by the way, what kind of uranium are we talking about? And the article is somehow cloudy."


      Here is another article on this topic.
      "US President Barack Obama has extended for another year the term of the presidential decree of June 21, 2000, ensuring unhindered entry into the United States for use in nuclear power plants
      Russian nuclear fuel produced
      from weapons-grade nuclear materials
      , RIA Novosti reports ...
      The decree was first signed by President Bill Clinton.
      June 21, 2000 for payments to the Russian Federation under contracts under the intergovernmental agreement HEU-LEU from 1993. "
      http://newsland.com/news/detail/id/722311/
  • Ingvar 72
    Ingvar 72 21 November 2013 16: 19
    13
    Quote: smel
    And the Motherland just needs to know its "heroes" by surname

    These surnames we see every day on the box.
    1. APES
      APES 21 November 2013 16: 57
      +5
      a whole series of persons involved in that transaction are still in the "cage" of current politicians and government officials. There is no guarantee that they will not continue to work in the interests of the United States and the West.


      it amused. What guarantees?! Honest-pioneer of these comrades?
    2. severbob
      severbob 21 November 2013 18: 37
      +2
      wrote koment about Kudrin, they answered me - slander, and if I write to Serdyuk-- they’ll hit me
    3. istemis
      istemis 21 November 2013 21: 03
      +3
      At that time, these surnames probably went under the supervision of Sobchak
  • APES
    APES 21 November 2013 16: 47
    16
    Quote: smel
    Yes, and the homeland just needs to know


    that the war continues as long as there are those who do not recognize what was:

    cold war loss


    lost one of the battles - Stalingrad is yet to come !!!
    1. Oleg14774
      Oleg14774 21 November 2013 17: 36
      +6
      About weapons-grade uranium, the question is closed and dark. There were suggestions that we were just selling enriched uranium, which was mined at ore mines, and that which was weapons-grade was hidden. Do not think that the Chanomord and eltsiyu could control everything. So, not everything is so bad, but an article can be simply a provocation to sow debris in your head! Solzhenitsyn (this is me about the author of the article) was looking for a new one!
      1. zasxdcfvv
        zasxdcfvv 21 November 2013 17: 49
        +3
        this Solzhenitsyn is one of the country's strongest economists
        1. pr 627
          pr 627 21 November 2013 22: 43
          -1
          Yes, an economist plus a chart-digger for 19.11.13/XNUMX/XNUMX dashed two articles, one we are discussing now, but I would like to hear a nuclear physicist.
      2. Motors1991
        Motors1991 21 November 2013 18: 06
        16
        History shows that Russians always return for their uranium. Otto von Bismarck.
      3. Lyokhin63
        Lyokhin63 21 November 2013 21: 19
        +2
        I want to ask you, as a specialist, how does enriched uranium differ from weapons-grade uranium? And what enterprise is now in Russia just producing uranium? I just do not know any other people besides the mining and processing plant in Chkalovsk (Tajikistan).
        1. V. Salama
          V. Salama 22 November 2013 11: 33
          +1
          Quote: Lyokhin63
          How is enriched uranium different from weapons-grade?

          The enrichment level is one for nuclear power plants and another for nuclear weapons.
        2. 31231
          31231 22 November 2013 15: 50
          +1
          And what enterprise is now in Russia just producing uranium?


          In the article, it was written Priargunye (Chita Krasnokamensk).
  • demel2
    demel2 21 November 2013 16: 57
    15
    Do you think that Chubais was accepted into the Vandenberg club. He is now watching over RUSSIA.
    1. PValery53
      PValery53 21 November 2013 20: 10
      +6
      It is time for him, in this sense, to close his eyes ...
  • PValery53
    PValery53 21 November 2013 20: 03
    +3
    In this case, these are not "galleys", but - eternity, our chronicle ... Nevertheless, traitors to the Motherland should be rewarded according to their merits. It is never too late to expose Judas. Let them fry in hell, bitches.
  • Sosland
    Sosland 21 November 2013 23: 15
    +4
    After all that has happened to us, only "fuck you in * oops, gentlemen, my name is" COMRADE "
  • Hunghuz
    Hunghuz 27 November 2013 14: 49
    0
    hi Kozakov from iordonu also do not give out ........ ??? in the Cossack circle judged at the synagogue)))
  • zart_arn
    zart_arn 21 November 2013 16: 22
    12
    But the "deal" was not carried out without the knowledge of the current people in power.
  • mcvdvlad
    mcvdvlad 21 November 2013 17: 07
    +1
    damn, well, they wrote to you that a crime so you rushed to immediately discuss how everything is bad ... But on the other hand, can you think? Our stations are not stopped and continue to produce weapons-grade uranium, ovsky processing plants have been idle for a long time, specialists have fled, there is no experience. our last party left, and then where will they get it from? Or do you have enough charges? Which can destroy the planet several times?
    http://voprosik.net/problemy-atomnoj-promyshlennosti-ssha/
    1. olviko
      olviko 21 November 2013 17: 21
      +7
      Or do you have enough charges?

      Let us suppose. And what about this?
      Meanwhile, the cost of the indicated volume of highly enriched uranium is incomparably higher. To produce such a volume of weapons-grade uranium, several hundred thousand people worked in the country's mining and defense industries for about 40 years. Dangerous production, tens of thousands of people lost their health and disability, shortened their lives. These were huge sacrifices in order to forge the country's nuclear shield and ensure a peaceful peaceful life of the USSR. The actual price of a uranium deal was only 0,15% relative to the minimum real value of the goods. The real value of uranium turned out to be equivalent to 20 (twenty) annual GDP of the country!
      1. 31231
        31231 22 November 2013 15: 53
        0
        The real value of uranium turned out to be equivalent to 20 (twenty) annual GDP of the country!


        Is it possible in more detail with the calculations? And anyway, where does such information come from? Any expert with Yuu Matsi counted?
        1. V. Salama
          V. Salama 22 November 2013 20: 28
          0
          Quote: 31231
          And anyway, where does such information come from?
          Not so long ago, the KP published an article on this topic by a colleague of EBN, Mikhail Poltoranin. There he claims that the real value of the entire mass of "uranium" sold is $ 8 trillion. His book has already appeared on sale with detailed information on this deal "Secret Power. Power in TNT-2"
    2. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 21 November 2013 17: 55
      +4
      Quote: mcvdvlad
      Or do you have enough charges?

      First, the charges are morally obsolete
      And secondly, have you heard about the half-life?
      And in the third I heard that all rare-earth metals were bought in bulk for many years ahead by the same Yankees
      1. pensioner
        pensioner 22 November 2013 00: 09
        0
        Quote: Pilat2009
        And in the third I heard that all rare-earth metals were bought in bulk for many years ahead by the same Yankees
        Come on ... Let them try to come, for example, to Kachkanar or Kovdor and check: what and where to go ... Ask for, and if they even come ... So what? In general: let them think that they bought ...
      2. abdrah
        abdrah 22 November 2013 02: 35
        0
        By the way, and not because it is practically not being mined in Russia, China is the main global producer (EMNIP 90%). They hold it at a time when China will push up prices or deplete deposits.
      3. clidon
        clidon 22 November 2013 20: 27
        0
        The charges are being modernized, and what is the use of some new reserves of uranium or plutonium?
        The largest reserves of rare earth metals are China. However, depending on what.
    3. V. Salama
      V. Salama 22 November 2013 11: 48
      0
      Quote: mcvdvlad
      Our stations are not stopped and continue to produce weapons-grade uranium ...
      The only problem is:
      Quote: mcvdvlad
      where will they get it from?

      With the collapse of the Union, our main deposits are already abroad.
      Quote: mcvdvlad
      Or do you have enough charges? Which can destroy the planet several times?

      When a tornado occurs, during the eruption of the middle volcano, I’m not talking about the shift of tectonic plates (earthquakes), the energy released is at least three orders of magnitude higher than the total energy of all created nuclear warheads.
      This is a bad idea, manipulative. If the United States secures the possibility of unpunished nuclear weapons, this problem will not stop them. And the charge should be so much that they know that in any situation we have for them the regiment of the Strategic Missile Forces, lost in the vastness of our country.
      1. 31231
        31231 22 November 2013 15: 55
        0
        With the collapse of the Union, our main deposits are already abroad.


        Do you have data on all proven reserves of Russia?
        1. V. Salama
          V. Salama 22 November 2013 20: 10
          0
          Quote: 31231
          Do you have data on all proven reserves of Russia?

          There is a book called "The Economic Atlas of the USSR". It may be outdated a little, but there are many interesting things. For example, there are proven reserves of gold even in the Moscow region, so what? There is no gold mining there. In my statement, the key word was "basic".
        2. clidon
          clidon 22 November 2013 20: 30
          0
          Our nuclear scientists generally received uranium reserves from abroad before. They were given to us by the CMEA countries (which were free to either mine it themselves or buy at least on the foreign market), which remains with Central Asia. Therefore, now, having huge reserves of processing capacity, we are purchasing ore abroad. For example, in Australia.
          http://www.opec.ru/news_doc.asp?d_no=64235
  • dark_65
    dark_65 21 November 2013 17: 35
    +5
    for which you can respect Yanukovych, not zzzdel, Julia sits.
    Maybe someone can do the same for us.
  • Krilion
    Krilion 21 November 2013 18: 10
    +4
    Quote: Volodya Sibiryak
    There should be no statute of limitations for such crimes.



    How do you assess the fact that the implementation of this entire transaction took place during the time in power of the GDP and was not stopped? should GDP be responsible for this?
    1. Grenader
      Grenader 21 November 2013 18: 27
      -2
      Quote: Krilion
      How do you assess the fact that the implementation of this entire transaction took place during the time in power of the GDP and was not stopped? should GDP be held accountable

      Now the Putinists will come running and start shouting that the radiant did not see anything. If strategic uranium raw materials are sold during his term of office, he must bear full responsibility.
      1. FATEMOGAN
        FATEMOGAN 21 November 2013 18: 54
        +5
        Quote: Grenader
        Now the Putinists will come running and start shouting that the radiant did not see anything

        Main Progravers of all polymers did not run past wassat
        1. 31231
          31231 22 November 2013 15: 58
          +1
          They remind me of Latynina and Ksyusha Sobchak. Far from the topic, like the author of the article, but shout "Gevalt!" sacred for them.
  • Siberian German
    Siberian German 22 November 2013 04: 04
    +2
    what is the limitation period - uranium has just been sent. Where is our guarantor, then - if you are so orderly so give a command to the front or again someone will say that the GDP is not in the know. I don’t believe it - everyone knows, but to see the stigma is not only in the cannon - there are already Serdyukov as a deputy in the state office - WE FUN
  • Vasia kruger
    Vasia kruger 22 November 2013 10: 18
    +2
    If it were a single deal.
    Betrayal then, betrayal now.
  • Hunghuz
    Hunghuz 27 November 2013 14: 47
    0
    hi Under Salin, they simply smeared their forehead with a zilenka so that the bullet would not bring the infection) and shot in the Bosko .........
  • ivshubarin
    ivshubarin 21 November 2013 16: 17
    +2
    This is what the West was trying to do with the collapsing USSR, only there is no one to judge
  • rereture
    rereture 21 November 2013 16: 26
    +4
    Yes tired of this thorium energy, do you think we do not conduct research? If they don’t talk about it, it doesn’t mean that it doesn’t. We have very well developed nuclear energy, here we are the best.
    1. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 21 November 2013 17: 56
      +1
      Quote: rereture
      We have very well developed nuclear energy, here we are the best.

      So good that soon there’s nowhere to go to waste
  • Stiletto
    Stiletto 21 November 2013 16: 29
    30
    I heard about this filthy deal, and even on the "Military Review" the topic skipped. Well, what can I say ... We drive to the west not only oil and gas, as is commonly believed, but also a bunch of other minerals, including rare earths. Until recently (the adoption of the law in response to the Magnitsky Act), a highly profitable business for those in power was the sale of our children abroad (yes, it was a sale, which was only shamefully disguised as "adoption"). That is why, contrary to popular belief, no one is going to attack us - what is the point? We ourselves sell and squander the national treasure, including technology, deprive the future of many generations of those who will live after us.
    This is a problem of the people, but not a problem for those who live according to the principle "after us - even a flood", only hiding behind the national interests. We do not have the same rent as was, for example, in Libya. We were thrown with vouchers, according to which everyone was entitled to a piece of "national treasure". We ate it. We Russians.
    You can minus me in this place, you can plus, but nothing will change from this.
    Ce la vie. In this case - for us. request
    1. avg
      avg 21 November 2013 17: 42
      +3
      Sel la us - many times. Well, never mind, we are sel la, and we are getting stronger! wink
      In general, with this uranium, everything is not so clear, as the author writes.
      1. Neil
        Neil 21 November 2013 21: 16
        +3
        Here's what surprises me, where did all the KGB, SVR and so on and so on, which had to take certain measures against these Gorbachevs, Yeltsins, looked, did they see what these "comrades" were doing? all "organs" could not be bought en masse
        1. Cat
          Cat 21 November 2013 21: 32
          0
          Quote: Neil
          Here's what surprises me, where did all the KGB, SVR and so on and so on, which had to take certain measures against these Gorbachevs, Yeltsins, looked, did they see what these "comrades" were doing? all "organs" could not be bought en masse

          there is quite an authoritative opinion that it was not the KGB and the SVR that were "overlooked" but the NSA and the CIA. Since thanks to the "free" Russian uranium, the Americans have hammered a bolt on their own enrichment facilities. Yes, and those capacities were not so hot, plus their gas diffusion technology is much worse than Russian centrifuges. There is an option that the cries of Green Writings about the dangers of nuclear energy, and the associated closure of a bunch of European nuclear power plants is nothing more than a consequence of the banal lack of fuel for these very nuclear power plants. At least the United States cannot supply it, but to put Europe on Russian uranium, that is, to give Putin another gorgeous leverage (in addition to the gas pipe) - from the very thought of this, Uncle Sam's brains go through his ears.
          Obamych’s initiatives for a major reduction in vigorous arsenals, up to their readiness to do it unilaterally, fall into the same cashier - amers simply have nowhere to take fuel for their nuclear power plants, except to wind up the warheads.
          On the Internet, if desired, you can find a bunch of information on this topic - with numbers, graphs and dates. And for the bourgeois peaceful atom - there is nothing joyful in these numbers.
          1. sleepy
            sleepy 21 November 2013 23: 39
            +3
            I read in a book, I can not vouch for the accuracy of the quote.

            "You made a deal with The devil and you think the deal is profitable?
            Count the gyrus in your head, see what you are standing in.
            If you continue to claim that you beat The devil,
            then you are mindless. "
  • winkiller
    winkiller 21 November 2013 16: 30
    +7
    Yeltsin, the dog, did indeed sell the entire stockpile of weapons-grade Uranium that was in our country, and given the collapse of the USSR, the most easily mined and, accordingly, the lowest cost mines remained in Kazakhstan. USA through B.N.E. did everything so that Russia could not restore its nuclear potential. And research on the missile defense program found that missile defense can be effective only with the number of missile targets less than 3000. and before disarmament, we had almost 10 times more missiles. now about 2000 plus. And America is unilaterally withdrawing from the ABM Treaty. Well, the goals have been achieved before it’s too late.
    1. leon-iv
      leon-iv 21 November 2013 17: 07
      +8
      Yeltsin, the dog, really sold the entire stock of weapons-grade Uranus that was in our country

      oh and do we have uranium warheads? Neither knew dedicate.
      the most easily mined and, accordingly, with the lowest cost mines remaining in Kazakhstan is a fact.

      In Mongolia, the richer, but both there and there already produces Rosatom.
      And studies on the missile defense program have found that missile defense can be effective only with the number of flying targets less than 3000

      sorry moa, and you know how and by whom the interception is carried out? Here answer me where the positional areas of her.
      now around 2000 plus

      Much less for everyone
      1. winkiller
        winkiller 22 November 2013 14: 39
        0
        oh and do we have uranium warheads? Neither knew dedicate.

        Here it is not necessary to distort, warhead plutonium and plutonium uranium but receive Plutonium in uranium reactors. Plutonium is found in nature, but in very small quantities. All elements of nuclear fuel or weapons fuel in one way or another are obtained from uranium in reactors.

        In Mongolia, the richer, but both there and there already produces Rosatom.

        When did they start mining in Mongolia? http://inosmi.ru/world/20090519/249203.html
        The collapse of the USSR occurred much earlier and we actually lost the Kazakh mines, and it is good that production is now recovering and increasing. But the Americans then get everything almost for nothing.

        sorry moa, and you know how and by whom the interception is carried out? Here answer me where the positional areas of her.

        This meant a plan to build a missile defense system back then in the United States, but this idea was abandoned until the number of targets was reduced to the desired one. And the one that is being built in Europe is much more effective since a takeoff rocket is more vulnerable because of = initial velocity.
        Much less for everyone

        Well, if we consider intercontinental ballistic missiles, then for 2011 we had 540 missiles (about 1500 warheads), not counting false targets, and to shoot down in the United States would not be a missile, but most likely just a warhead after separation, although here I am not an expert . And also medium-range missiles will fly from the Far East :)
    2. Krilion
      Krilion 21 November 2013 18: 14
      +3
      Quote: winkiller
      Yeltsin, the dog, really sold the entire supply of weapons-grade Uranus that was in our country,


      EBN just signed .. the shipment was already provided by Vova Putin under the relentless howls of the revival of Russia ... amerikosy. eg. at any time able to stop any signed contract. if they come to the conclusion that it harms the United States ... for example, the same deal with the Mi-17 ... but Vovzdzdzdel terminate the deal ...
      1. Misantrop
        Misantrop 21 November 2013 18: 44
        +5
        Quote: Krilion
        Vova zzzdel terminate the transaction ...
        There is one funny episode in this muddy deal - the US enrichment industry was completely destroyed and completely destroyed during the production of free fuel. And fuel is needed all the time, and not just for warheads. They also cannot have transport reactors without highly enriched fuel. And at current prices, to restore this production from scratch will cost the United States a total sum that is beyond the budget ... lol
        1. sleepy
          sleepy 21 November 2013 23: 51
          +3
          Quote: Misantrop
          "And at current prices, restoring this production from scratch will cost the United States an amount that is completely unaffordable for the budget ..."


          Restore from scratch and Russia will cost quite heavy
          for the budget amount.

          "Russia stops production of weapons-grade plutonium. Today in Zheleznogorsk was closed the last existing in the country
          reactors of this type. It has been producing plutonium for the past half century.
          The closed city of Krasnoyarsk-26, later renamed Zheleznogorsk, was created in the USSR especially to serve it. "
          http://voprosik.net/rossiya-otkazalas-ot-proizvodstva-oruzhejnogo-urana/

          "Russia will not produce weapons-grade plutonium.
          In Washington, Dmitry Medvedev announced the closure of the last designated reactor. "
          http://www.km.ru/news/rossiya_ne_budet_proizvodit_oruz
          1. Misantrop
            Misantrop 22 November 2013 01: 15
            +1
            Quote: sleepy
            "Russia will not produce weapons-grade plutonium.
            In Washington, Dmitry Medvedev announced the closure of the last designated reactor. "
            An iPhone can say everything that he wanders into his professional head to the limit. Plutonium will be produced as long as RBMK-1000 reactors are in operation. There, due to design features, for each kg of burnt uranium-235, 2 kg of plutonium-239 is obtained. And these assemblies that have worked in reactors have already been accumulated so much that perhaps there is no need for a specialized reactor
      2. winkiller
        winkiller 22 November 2013 14: 42
        0
        But for Vovan, there is no need to decide what can and what is not. And then we really every housewife can manage the country, but unfortunately busy in the kitchen.
  • Same lech
    Same lech 21 November 2013 16: 33
    10
    I would like to know in more detail about all the nuances of this separate transaction.
    Who (surname) where (places) once and what price in this muddy story RUSSIA paid.
    I agree that all this was checked behind the backs of our people and it is required to give an assessment to the crooks in power with subsequent punishment.
    I am very sorry that in this case we DO NOT have SUCH PRESIDENT as LUKASHENKO.
    The organizers of such a scam would not have escaped with light censure.
  • andrei332809
    andrei332809 21 November 2013 16: 34
    10
    for a long time we will still burp democratization.
    1. Valkyrie
      Valkyrie 21 November 2013 17: 08
      +6
      Do you think that we already swallowed it? No, we still eat it every day.
      1. typhoon7
        typhoon7 21 November 2013 22: 11
        +2
        Alas, to our great regret, this is exactly so.
  • Jurkovs
    Jurkovs 21 November 2013 16: 35
    12
    Tired of comments by the author of an article about thorium, a draft on a fan, the forum is fading before our eyes, we need to do something about it.
    About the deal. During long-term storage of plutonium, including in warheads, it is contaminated by products of natural nuclear decay. A situation may arise when it simply does not explode, when it will be needed or explodes in storage depots. Therefore, plutonium is periodically removed from the warheads, and the warheads are cleaned and recharged. That is, maintaining warheads in combat requires huge costs. By the 90s, because of an internal mess, we did not carry out these works, and then there simply was no money for it. Plutonium has become a danger to us. Therefore, surplus plutonium formed due to disarmament was sold to the United States, where it was cleaned up, and we received good money. According to recent reports from the United States, they now have a similar problem. The time has come to clean up plutonium, and Congress has not allocated money for this in the overall strategy for saving funds. The Chernomyrdin-Gore deal has, in a sense, saved us, now who will save America?
    1. leon-iv
      leon-iv 21 November 2013 16: 56
      10
      That is, maintaining warheads in combat requires huge costs. By the 90s, because of an internal mess, we did not carry out these works, and then there simply was no money for it.

      no need to drive even in the most difficult years 12 GU MO carried out all scheduled work on time.
    2. Kipish
      Kipish 21 November 2013 17: 05
      +2
      I agree, another amendment, weapons-grade plutonium was impoverished, and therefore it could be used only in peaceful energy.
      All this pesimism of the people is still enraging, at first when they removed the warheads because it was very expensive to maintain and stored, they started shouting that they say you need nuclear rubbish, it was on all channels in the 90s, and when they sold, why did they sell, go understand what they need at all.
      1. Kipish
        Kipish 21 November 2013 17: 06
        -2
        Like a suitcase without a handle
      2. leon-iv
        leon-iv 21 November 2013 17: 09
        +3
        What is plutonium ????? There, they say about uranium, Plutonium Amer neither village nor city.
        1. Kipish
          Kipish 21 November 2013 17: 21
          -2
          Uranium is good, but flushing does not change, by the way, uranium is used for plutonium production
          1. leon-iv
            leon-iv 21 November 2013 17: 26
            +3
            they only renewed the production of uranium in the year 13 in Los Alamos, and then the minimum quantities. For pants on BB need to be supported. And yes, our plutonium does not suit them if that. We have other additives.
            1. Kipish
              Kipish 21 November 2013 17: 29
              0
              I think they will soon begin to open their stored warheads, because 10% of energy consumption simply can’t be replaced at once, there’s nothing
              1. leon-iv
                leon-iv 21 November 2013 17: 38
                +1
                so they have already opened at HEU KNOW there not only the Russian Federation delivered Uranus.
                And now again it is necessary, but there is no uranium. Why do you think Germany and Japan abandoned nuclear power plants?
    3. varov14
      varov14 21 November 2013 17: 28
      +3
      You are sculpting something, but a little different, if you cleaned it up somewhere, it's obviously at home, our centrifuges are better than American ones, they definitely have a problem. But on a large scale, we have all been sold long ago, along with natural resources. All, well, most of the companies, especially in the extractive industry, are foreign. What they are building, take for example auto-industrial, are also foreigners. Although the factories are good at home, but after all with a screwdriver. And in return we are supplied with zhrachka and "beads", the first so that they do not disappear quickly, it will be noticeable, and the second - as a consolation. Never mind, judging by the media we are on takeoff or at the end, in a word, from what point to look.
    4. Krilion
      Krilion 21 November 2013 18: 16
      +3
      Quote: Jurkovs
      The Chernomyrdin-Gore deal saved us in a way


      you are so naive I even feel sorry for you ...
    5. falcon
      falcon 21 November 2013 20: 00
      +3
      Quote: Jurkovs
      Plutonium has become a danger to us. Therefore, surplus plutonium formed due to disarmament was sold to the United States, where it was cleaned, and we got good

      According to your logic, in the 90s, DANGERS FOR US began to represent our
      heavy and light, food and chemical industries, energy and mining
      minerals that, through collateral auctions, have been withdrawn from
      national property. And the biggest danger to the country, apparently,
      represent our foreign exchange reserves, they are also exported to the United States, where
      quite successfully "cleaned up". :))
    6. sleepy
      sleepy 22 November 2013 00: 02
      +4
      Quote: Jurkovs
      "Therefore, the surplus of plutonium formed due to disarmament,
      were sold to the United States where they were cleared and we got good money. "


      The US Federal Reserve printed another cut paper.
      And in Russia there has been less rare metal.
      And also this is a huge labor and hardship ...
      Yes, and electricity, which is becoming more expensive and more expensive.
      Russia also sells oil, and the United States saves its oil wells.
      As a result, the Fed is still printing paper.
      But in Russia, not everyone is happy with the sale of oil.
      1. 31231
        31231 22 November 2013 16: 06
        0
        Russia also sells oil, and the United States saves its oil wells.


        Oga-oga! And it produces shale oil.
        Are you not tired of operating with stamps?
  • rereture
    rereture 21 November 2013 16: 36
    +3
    At the university, teachers told us how Americans forced them to remove uranium from facilities.
  • Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat 21 November 2013 16: 36
    +8
    It is believed that the death of General Rokhlin was initiated by the special services, precisely because of his opposition to this "uranium" scam of the century.
  • Bakht
    Bakht 21 November 2013 16: 37
    +7
    Quote: winkiller
    Yeltsin, the dog, did indeed sell the entire stockpile of weapons-grade Uranium that was in our country, and given the collapse of the USSR, the most easily mined and, accordingly, the lowest cost mines remained in Kazakhstan. USA through B.N.E. did everything so that Russia could not restore its nuclear potential. And research on the missile defense program found that missile defense can be effective only with the number of missile targets less than 3000. and before disarmament, we had almost 10 times more missiles. now about 2000 plus. And America is unilaterally withdrawing from the ABM Treaty. Well, the goals have been achieved before it’s too late.

    Everything is true, except for the initials. I’m no longer calling Borya otherwise than EBN.
  • Algor73
    Algor73 21 November 2013 16: 39
    +8
    In another 20 years, so much will come out that for another 10 years we will groan and gasp. The period from the disintegration of the Union to the formation (which is just beginning) of states is difficult to name other than a "period of scams". If you start counting all the scams that still need to be assessed and about which more or less is known, a few pages will not be enough.
  • rudolff
    rudolff 21 November 2013 16: 40
    16
    Well, Yeltsin left good students to see, since he had not been in power for thirteen years, and his affairs still exist. We stand cancer, but with a very important expression!
  • Nicodemus
    Nicodemus 21 November 2013 16: 48
    +4
    Russia did the right thing. These shipments of low enriched uranium completely destroyed the US industrial enrichment potential. There are no plants there right now.
    1. biznaw
      biznaw 21 November 2013 17: 05
      -2
      And this is good...
  • gorku68
    gorku68 21 November 2013 16: 49
    +6
    Not so long ago, the forum had an article about this deal ... But the conclusion is the opposite. We did a good job of putting the states on our uranium, destroyed their mining complex, etc., and at the same time got rid of our surplus, well, not digest everything left after the USSR. Where is the truth? Experts, explain!
    1. biznaw
      biznaw 21 November 2013 17: 06
      0
      Two experts - three opinions.
  • taseka
    taseka 21 November 2013 16: 50
    13
    Mr. Bakatin (the former head of the KGB) lives quietly in the United States, after "comradely" handed over "to CIA partners" the wiretap at the Amer embassy in Moscow, and General Rokhlin is in damp earth, after the words about a tranche from the United States to Russia, $ 7 billion $ of which 4 "without stopping by" in the Russian Federation got into the accounts of Tanyusha, the beloved daughter of the one who took the same amers from the CIA as advisors - so they advised the "millennium deal" - they heeded the advice! Curtain !!! One now is a US pensioner ( probably goes to Kulagin for beer), another thinks about democracy in her English castle of thought and two have monuments!
  • sonik-007
    sonik-007 21 November 2013 16: 51
    -2
    Broken link, where does infa come from? What specific uranium?
  • bubla5
    bubla5 21 November 2013 16: 51
    +1
    Unsubstantiated nonsense
  • Andrew 447
    Andrew 447 21 November 2013 16: 52
    +2
    Indeed, the topic is very muddy. About a year ago I read an article on some resource with opposite conclusions on this transaction, with numbers, diagrams and graphs. There is very little information, well, but this article is more like a cry from the heart. Here you need the opinion of real experts.
    1. 31231
      31231 22 November 2013 16: 07
      0
      Real specialists even sit secretly in the kitchen under the heading.
  • Nicodemus
    Nicodemus 21 November 2013 16: 54
    0
    Russia did the right thing. Deliveries of low enriched uranium (not HEU) led to the actual collapse of enrichment technologies in the United States. Now there is no such equipment. We now have enough HEU to destroy the whole world a hundred times (do we need it?) And enrichment technologies have been preserved and developed
    1. sleepy
      sleepy 22 November 2013 00: 11
      +2
      Russia did the right thing.
      Supplies of children for US dollars led to the actual collapse
      in the US reproduction technology.
      Now there is no such thing as normal reproduction -
      some blue frolic.
      We have enough children to sell them for euros to Europe,
      so that Europe does not say hello.

      "Russia pays tribute to the United States with money and human resources."
      http://www.nr2.ru/moskow/397181.html
  • Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 21 November 2013 16: 54
    0
    Still, the question to the author: What should Russia get in exchange for uranium supplies? Well, our blockheads could not just give the Yankees expensive raw materials!
    1. Corsair5912
      Corsair5912 21 November 2013 17: 08
      10
      Quote: Ivanovich47
      Still, the question to the author: What should Russia get in exchange for uranium supplies? Well, our blockheads could not just give the Yankees expensive raw materials!

      The question is wrong!
      What did Chernomordin, Reltsyn, Chubais and other construction superintendents receive for the sale of their homeland? These villains not only sold uranium, they exported and sold strategic stocks of non-ferrous and rare metals necessary for the production of space and military equipment.
      Economic and military damage cannot be accounted for.
      One example is a steel spring for machine guns and machine guns withstand 20 thousand compressions, and a steel spring with the addition of beryllium withstands 80 million compressions.
      Where are we going to take beryllium instead of stolen?
      Almost all of Russia's deposits have long been developed.
      1. Sosland
        Sosland 21 November 2013 23: 39
        +6
        They sold much more, calluses in the hands of my father, his hopes for a better future for their children and grandchildren, etc. etc. this is not crying and nagging this accusation of betrayal of his people, his country. Maybe a little time will pass, but the reward will be the contempt of their descendants, I hope that their grandchildren will still change their names from shame and contempt to their corrupt ancestors.
  • EdwardTich68
    EdwardTich68 21 November 2013 17: 01
    -2
    However, there is another opinion, here is the reference:

    http://voprosik.net/prodazha-oruzhejnogo-urana-v-ssha-diversiya-protiv-ameriki/ © ВОПРОСИК
  • leon-iv
    leon-iv 21 November 2013 17: 02
    0
    o5 25
    Over HEU-KNOW framed 100500 times. And so, for reference, the Americans also from the warheads of uranium bodyazheny.
    In this case, they outwitted themselves. As a result, our enrichment industry made a leap, and the Americans reached our level of the 90s only. And HEU KNOW everything, and soon reload uranium into reactors
    1. Kipish
      Kipish 21 November 2013 17: 16
      0
      Not really, we and the Americans had and have 2 parallel branches for enrichment, they have a very expensive way, we have a lot cheaper (40 times if I’m not mistaken), the joke is that we can do their way, but it’s also expensive what for ?, and they still haven’t learned how to do centrifuges and I think it’s not fate)
      1. leon-iv
        leon-iv 21 November 2013 17: 35
        +8
        Not really, we and the Americans had and have 2 parallel branches for enrichment

        No, in general there are only 2 methods that have been brought to the industry (the rest is left in the laboratories)
        - diffusion
        - Gas centrifugation (the paduca plant was closed in 2013)
        Ours quickly switched to centrifuges
        Americans and French long nibbled on a cactus. And they switched to centrifuges after Konrad Zippe fled from the USSR to the USA with drawings.
  • Averias
    Averias 21 November 2013 17: 03
    +4
    Not everything is so simple with this uranium. The expression - "Weapon-grade uranium" - is very superficial. Yes, the fact that we had to give up uranium is depressing, no words. But, from this uranium it is impossible to produce - weapons-grade plutonium (specifics, and clever words I will not write. Since I myself do not understand many subtleties, although I have knowledge in this area). At one time, the situation was replayed (taking advantage of the "gap in the treaty). And the United States could not object. And before that colossal research was carried out in the field of fast neutron reactors (the one that is being built near Tomsk). And the introduction of these reactors will make it possible without waste use of nuclear fuel. That is, fuel for nuclear power plants (fuel rods) is working out its resource - it is used further in fast neutron reactors and then, and then there is simply no radioactive waste (I simplified the principle). So fuel for our nuclear power plants enough for a long time.
    When the US realized it, it was too late. Therefore, not everything is as sad as presented.
    Again, the uranium that sailed to the United States is unsuitable for obtaining weapons-grade plutonium. Well, maybe as a "dirty" bomb? Only the USA needs it? And plus the closure of its facilities for working with radioactive raw materials (in the United States) is also not bad.
    1. Corsair5912
      Corsair5912 21 November 2013 17: 22
      +7
      Quote: Averias
      Again, the uranium that sailed to the United States is unsuitable for obtaining weapons-grade plutonium. Well, maybe as a "dirty" bomb? Only the USA needs it? And plus the closure of its facilities for working with radioactive raw materials (in the United States) is also not bad.

      It doesn’t matter why uranium stolen in Russia is suitable, you have carefully read the article
      The total transaction for the supply of 500 tons of uranium was determined at 11,9 billion dollars. Meanwhile, the cost of the indicated volume of highly enriched uranium is incomparably higher. To produce such a volume of weapons-grade uranium, several hundred thousand people worked in the country's mining and defense industries for about 40 years. Dangerous production, tens of thousands of people lost their health and disability, shortened their lives. These were huge sacrifices in order to forge the country's nuclear shield and ensure a quiet peaceful life of the USSR and the countries of the socialist camp. This uranium ensured military-strategic parity in the world, which sharply reduced the risk of a world war. On the other hand, in the American media there are such estimates: at the beginning of this century, 50% of electricity was produced at the nuclear power plants of the United States due to Russian uranium.

      Uranium is a rare element; its industrial deposits are less common than gold deposits. The main uranium reserves in the USSR were explored in Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan and Ukraine.
      According to the annual production of uranium (about 3,3 thousand tons), Russia ranks 4th after Kazakhstan. The annual consumption of uranium in Russia now amounts to 16 thousand tons and consists of the costs of own nuclear power plants in the amount of 5,2 thousand tons, as well as the export of fuel (5,5 thousand tons) and low enriched uranium (6 thousand tons )
    2. ssergn
      ssergn 22 November 2013 09: 27
      0
      Quote: Averias
      areas of fast neutron reactors (the one that is being built near Tomsk). And the introduction of these reactors will make it possible to switch to waste-free use of nuclear fuel.



      Beloyarsk Nuclear Power Plant named after I.V. Kurchatova (BNPP) is a Russian nuclear power plant located in the city of Zarechny, in the Sverdlovsk Region, the second industrial nuclear power plant in the country (after the Siberian), the only nuclear power plant in Russia with different types of reactors on the same site.

      Three power units were built at the station: two with thermal neutron reactors and one with a fast neutron reactor. At present, the only power unit operating at the station is the 3 power unit with a BN-600 reactor with an electric capacity of 600 MW put into operation April 8 1980 FIRST WORLD industrial-scale power unit with a fast neutron reactor. He is also the world's largest power unit with a fast neutron reactor.

      Learn the materiel. We don’t know much about our country. And in the Sverdlovsk region there is the city of Novouralsk. wink The city operates a branch scientific and industrial complex, which employs 100 doctors and candidates of sciences
      Ural Electrochemical Plant - Open Joint Stock Company (OJSC UECC) is a part of the fuel company TVEL of the State Corporation Rosatom, and is the main enterprise of the Ural nuclear cluster.

      Location - Novouralsk, Sverdlovsk region, Russia.

      LLC Ural Gas Centrifuge Plant - gas centrifuge manufacturing company [/ Color] for the separation of uranium.
      1. Averias
        Averias 22 November 2013 10: 15
        -2
        You don't need to hover my brain and poke me into the materiel. I didn't say that this is the only place in Russia where there is a fast neutron reactor (or rather it will be). I meant a little something else - a fundamentally new fast neutron reactor "Brest - 300" is being built in Seversk (which is near Tomsk) on the territory of the Sibkhimkombinat, he himself was there.
        1. ssergn
          ssergn 22 November 2013 17: 22
          0
          Well, then so nervous, and yes, I did not poke you. Sorry if not so.
          And I also pointed out that these centrifuges are produced in Novouralsk.
      2. ayuric
        ayuric 22 November 2013 11: 08
        +1
        + now a new block is being built at the BSPP, I don’t know about Seversk - I have not been there for 2 years
        1. Averias
          Averias 22 November 2013 12: 34
          0
          So what am I talking about? I didn’t say that it was only in Seversk, I was just there and saw it myself. And the fact that in Russia there are these new reactors and they are still being built, no one argues. I just wrote about what I saw, without contesting anything. And then they pounced, they poke materiel. Although I wrote in general not about that. And about the fact that uranium (the one in the USA) was given, it is not possible to use to obtain weapons-grade plutonium. And here, and here they went almost to the individual. This is strange and not clear.
          And why "ahi sighs" to breed? The uranium has been given away, it cannot be returned back (well, it’s not a war to declare), but the fact that they still managed to suck it in is not quite what they expected. There were some dashing people at that time (although why were they?) Who, in principle, partially thwarted the deal. These same people did not allow many of the developments to be ditched and taken abroad. I wrote about this. And not about where and how many new reactors are being built in our country. In context, have forgotten how to read, or what?
      3. 31231
        31231 22 November 2013 16: 15
        0
        Beloyarsk Nuclear Power Plant named after I.V. Kurchatova (BNPP) is a Russian nuclear power plant located in the city of Zarechny, in the Sverdlovsk Region, the second industrial nuclear power plant in the country (after the Siberian), the only nuclear power plant in Russia with different types of reactors on the same site.

        Three power units were built at the station: two with thermal neutron reactors and one with a fast neutron reactor. Currently, the only power unit operating at the station is the 3rd power unit with a BN-600 reactor with an electric power of 600 MW, put into operation on April 8, 1980


        The launch of the fourth BN-800 power unit was postponed to 2014. When I worked on building it, they planned to launch it at the end of 2013.
        And yes, the customers from Rosatom were all positive, they said that the industrial fast neutron reactor was the only one in 2004 in the world.
  • zhihaar
    zhihaar 21 November 2013 17: 19
    0
    glory to talented businessmen and effective managers
  • pahom54
    pahom54 21 November 2013 17: 21
    +6
    Again thrown !!! And, most interestingly, the article talks about a possible attempt by Russia to leave the WTO and future presentations about this ... I struggled, struggled GDP for entering this Wed .. the WTO, the entrance was not even a ruble, but a gold dime, but output then how much ???
    I’m not a nuclear scientist, but I also guess about how much real nuclear fuel went to the States ...
    So I think: I almost stopped looking at the box, but in general the negative did not decrease. Maybe somewhere in the tundra or taiga to tear in bast shoes and sweatshirt, so as not to see or hear? So I won’t survive ... I became a mutant from civilization.
    In general, in order not to be thrown, do not trust anyone, and so you need to act not just in the human collective, but also in relations between states. Over the entire centuries-old history of Russia, she had no friends, some enemies, and this should be the basis ...
    1. EdwardTich68
      EdwardTich68 21 November 2013 18: 30
      +1
      The most normal is a house in the village. Your moonshiner, gardener, gun. smile
      1. ty60
        ty60 21 November 2013 22: 54
        +1
        I go to the balcony with a machine gun ..
    2. Snipe 74
      Snipe 74 21 November 2013 18: 41
      +1
      Absolutely the same feeling I have. Away from civilization, lies and deceit. While courage is not enough and reliable friends, and the second more ...
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 21 November 2013 17: 38
    +9
    Firstly, there are suspicions that a number of individuals involved in the transaction still remain in the "holder" of current politicians and government officials. There is no guarantee that they will not continue to work in the interests of the United States and the West.

    One of them is red! (It’s not in vain that he wanted to attach Serdyuk to himself ..) and how many hidden! The fifth column in Russia is strong and so far has quieted down .. I remembered the cleaning of the 37th year (there were excesses, of course), but it was in those years that the USSR's technological economic and cultural breakthrough began, which we still use ..! And the production of weapons-grade plutonium is a very high-tech and very costly process (not every country can pull it ..) How long does Iran beat? But in Israel I consider a part of the plutonium of the USSR and a donkey ... (such a small but very cunning "area" cannot have about 300 nuclear warheads .. So think the guys how many trillions have shod us .. (if you add up everything under 100 it will come out for sure ..) Russia is a rich country .. We will still return everything in one way or another .. (just put things in order for ourselves .. the Russian bear came out of hibernation hungry, skinned and EVIL !!) angry
    1. MIKHAN
      MIKHAN 21 November 2013 18: 20
      +2
      Who minus ??? Although I guess ... (can't be so small but very tricky "district" .. Well done quick reaction! laughing
    2. clidon
      clidon 21 November 2013 20: 01
      -4
      Plutonium was not sold, just like any other weapon. They also sold fuel for nuclear power plants at market prices. Therefore, no one has put on "trillions" shoes.
  • individual
    individual 21 November 2013 17: 38
    +6
    And how many troubles did the "democratic authorities" bring to Russia?
    Take, for example, the Production Sharing Agreement.
    As commented on a book exposing the former ally of Y. Boldyrev, “The Abduction of Eurasia,” which clearly states that Yavlinsky lobbied for a production sharing agreement (PSA) (it sounds especially inaudible: products - what kind of products? Previously, only the insiders knew.
    That is why G. Yavlinsky no longer rock the boat. He arranged his children in the USA, and Mitrokhin and Co. are waiting in line. And how many of these compromisers provided for themselves and the future of their children? am
    Secrets covered in a veil of darkness await their researcher and the Prosecutor.
  • Wedmak
    Wedmak 21 November 2013 17: 46
    +4
    I still tend to believe that the Americans here really outwitted themselves. Now they have only one uranium enrichment plant with outdated technologies, their reserves
    "industrial" uranium will not last long, there are problems with their nuclear weapons ...
    And at this time in Russia: new centrifuges of the 5th (if I’m not mistaken) generation appeared, Russia is the largest supplier of fuel assemblies for building nuclear power plants, we have enough nuclear charges, and you can even increase their number.
    So who who nae..l? hi
    1. Corsair5912
      Corsair5912 21 November 2013 17: 57
      +3
      Quote: Wedmak
      I still tend to believe that the Americans here really outwitted themselves. Now they have only one uranium enrichment plant with outdated technologies, their reserves
      "industrial" uranium will not last long, there are problems with their nuclear weapons ...

      The Yankees have long stuck to Nazarbay and suck uranium from Kazakhstan
      About a fifth of the world's uranium reserves are concentrated in Kazakhstan (21% and 2nd place in the world). In 2009, Kazakhstan ranked first in the world in uranium mining (13 tons mined

      Of course, uranium ores in Kazakhstan are explored, mined and enriched due to the investments of the USSR, and more precisely Russia.
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 21 November 2013 18: 01
        +1
        The Yankees have long stuck to Nazarbay and suck uranium from Kazakhstan

        These are the problems of Kazakhstan. But the question is that the Yankees have nowhere to enrich uranium. What they have is expensive.
        Of course, uranium ores in Kazakhstan are explored, mined and enriched due to the investments of the USSR, and more precisely Russia.

        In what sense at the expense of Russia? If you mean that Russia enriches uranium and gives the finished product in the form of fuel assemblies, then this is a very high-tech and expensive production. And for this we get the money.
        1. Corsair5912
          Corsair5912 21 November 2013 19: 51
          +5
          Quote: Wedmak
          These are the problems of Kazakhstan. But the question is that the Yankees have nowhere to enrich uranium. What they have is expensive.
          In what sense at the expense of Russia? If you mean that Russia enriches uranium and gives the finished product in the form of fuel assemblies, then this is a very high-tech and expensive production. And for this we get the money.

          Kazakhstan has no problems, it got 20 mines and plants for the extraction and processing of uranium ores. All this was created by the Russians and for the money of the RSFSR, Kazakhs in the USSR didn’t earn money for flying themselves.
          Enrichment of uranium to metal is not required for fuel in nuclear reactors; Kazakhstan produces and sells fuel cells.
          And for atomic bombs, not uranium-235, but plutonium 239, a by-product of nuclear power plants, has long been used.
          1. atalef
            atalef 21 November 2013 19: 58
            -3
            Quote: Corsair5912
            Kazakhstan has no problems, it got 20 mines and plants for the extraction and processing of uranium ores.

            This is his ore, Kazakhstan is a sovereign state, whether someone likes it or not

            Quote: Corsair5912
            . All this was created by the Russians and for the money of the RSFSR

            Is that all?

            Quote: Corsair5912
            For fuel in nuclear reactors, enrichment of uranium to metal is not required,

            Enrichment to metal - how is it?

            Quote: Corsair5912
            And for atomic bombs, not uranium-235 has long been used, but plutonium 239, a by-product of nuclear power plants

            In general, plutonium was mainly produced in specially constructed reactors.
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 21 November 2013 20: 07
              +2
              Quote: atalef
              Quote: Corsair5912
              . All this was created by the Russians and for the money of the RSFSR

              Is that all?

              Do you think the money came from the republican reserves of Kazakhstan? Of course
              Quote: atalef
              That's all

              and plutonium 239, a byproduct of nuclear power plants

              Really collateral, just not in the quantities of course. The main part was produced, as you said, in specially constructed reactors.
              1. atalef
                atalef 21 November 2013 20: 20
                -2
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                Do you think the money came from the republican reserves of Kazakhstan? Of course

                And you (nothing, what are we on you?) Think. that no one lived in Kazakhstan? Didn't people work there? Didn’t pay taxes? Natural resources were not processed, nothing was made of them? Mines did not make a profit and did not pay off 10 times? If not, then why build them? If yes, then let's say Russia invested in development, and then. what ? I took them all to myself, or all the same it was one state and I somehow think. that there are so many minerals. that this would have been enough for the Kazakhs 50 times, and it does not matter who developed it. By the way. If the last oil and gas fields in Russia were developed for Western loans. In many respects, Western equipment was sold to the West (oil and gas 0 can it be argued that everything that was built in Russia with this money is almost the property of the West and its merit.
                Can't find an analogy?
                1. Ingvar 72
                  Ingvar 72 21 November 2013 20: 42
                  +4
                  Quote: atalef
                  And you (nothing, what are we on you?)

                  Fine, Sasha.
                  Quote: atalef
                  nobody lived in Kazakhstan? Didn't people work there? Didn’t pay taxes? Natural resources were not processed, nothing was made of them? Mines did not make a profit and did not pay off 10 times?

                  Sash, all this was built with money from the center, and northern and central Kazakhstan was mastered mainly by Russians. The Kazakhs practically did not work at those enterprises. Kazakhs were in business only in the southern regions. Well, then there was no talk of profit at all, talking about payback in this case is not correct. You cite Western investments as an example, foreign investments cannot be compared with financial flows within ONE state at that time.
                  1. atalef
                    atalef 21 November 2013 20: 47
                    -4
                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    foreign investments cannot be compared with financial flows within ONE, at that time, state

                    So if there was one state - why divide now?
                    1. Ingvar 72
                      Ingvar 72 21 November 2013 20: 54
                      +5
                      There is nothing to share now. It's a shame for the state. We then swept the earth and watered the blood, but we were not sold for a snuff of tobacco.
                      1. ty60
                        ty60 21 November 2013 23: 09
                        +5
                        I do not agree. It was originally Cossack lands - the Ural and Guryev regions that are now supposedly Kazakh lands from birth. Pugachev headed the Cossacks of Yaitsky and Orenburg - but not KAZAKHOV
                      2. atalef
                        atalef 22 November 2013 08: 20
                        -2
                        Quote: ty60
                        I do not agree. It was originally Cossack lands - the Ural and Guryev regions that are now supposedly Kazakh lands from birth. Pugachev headed the Cossacks of Yaitsky and Orenburg - but not KAZAKHOV

                        Truly Cossack, a new discovery, one must remember
                      3. atalef
                        atalef 22 November 2013 15: 28
                        0
                        Quote: ty60
                        I do not agree. it was originally Cossack lands — the Ural and Guryev regions — now supposedly Kazakh lands from birth. Pugachev headed the Cossacks of Yaitsky and Orenburg — but not KAZAKHOV

                        I agree, America is the same purely English, the Indians?
                        Is that their land since birth?
                    2. atalef
                      atalef 22 November 2013 08: 18
                      -1
                      Quote: Ingvar 72
                      There is nothing to share now. It's a shame for the state. We then swept the earth and watered the blood, but we were not sold for a snuff of tobacco.

                      Here I am about the fact that it’s posture to drink Borjomi ... Well, then you know.
  • krasavchik
    krasavchik 21 November 2013 17: 51
    +1
    But how did NOD people from the sect of rabid witnesses of deputy Fedorov overlook this event and did not even try to resist the adversaries in any way? where are you bortsukhs for sovereignty, where are the liberator of Russia Putin (and, concurrently, the ideological successor of Borka the forty-degree and a friend of Chubais)?
  • silver_roman
    silver_roman 21 November 2013 17: 53
    +8
    This is not to say that, for example, I did not know about this deal, but I did not know about the nuances, namely, that
    The real value of uranium turned out to be equivalent to 20 (twenty) annual GDP of the country!


    And if in fact we say, then nothing will come back. They gave Alaska ... how much gold was there? territory, etc. etc.
    Needless to say, you need to put / shoot the guilty people to hell (if half of them have not died) and reflect these facts in a modern history textbook. Study as "Our Father".

    we continue to call about inertia “partners

    This is for the media or in official reports.
    They have always been, are and will be our enemies ... not opponents, not opponents, but precisely enemies - those who want to destroy us and those whom we must prevent from doing so. Russia never knew how (did not want to) take revenge. We always forgive everyone, we forget everything. We need to continue calling them partners, smiling in the face. to conduct joint exercises under the next d * bile name "Nev * benanya democracy", to fight terrorism, but as soon as the beast falls on its knee from wounds, stick a stake through and through in the back.
    The pre-mood has gone bad!
  • uzer 13
    uzer 13 21 November 2013 17: 55
    +2
    Most people do not know all the features of the production and storage of uranium and plutonium.
    The sale is really dark and raises many questions. A public investigation is required involving experts. The Russian government should intelligently explain what happened to this uranium. The case is very serious, threatening a political crisis.
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  • IGS
    IGS 21 November 2013 18: 01
    +1
    Maybe enough hysteria and look for a worldwide conspiracy? How long to? We only make it worse for ourselves and for our country, distracting ourselves from really pressing issues. Someone earns the cheap popularity of this "-" article. Open Google, Yandex or whatever, and look at the cost of weapons-grade and fuel uranium, and what is what. Weapons use uranium with a U235 content of about 90%, while the U235 content in natural uranium does not exceed 0,7%. Fuel uranium is about 4-4,5%. Only fuel uranium is sold on the international market. Let's make a rough estimate: 500 tons of weapons grade 90% enriched uranium contains 450 tons of U235. This amount is sufficient to produce 10 tons of fuel-grade uranium with an enrichment of 4,5%. The average cost of uranium fuel (the uranium oxide concentrate intermediate is usually sold and sold in pounds rather than kilograms, so we recalculate the measures and add the approximate cost of rework) is approximately 1300 USD. Multiply by 10. That's 000. Is that trillions? Is it a thousand times over? And if you consider that the price of uranium is falling? Kazatomprom is increasing production and, by the way, is selling it in full to the USA. So the article is complete crap. If you are fooled by something, at least check it first. Even if I was mistaken, then by 13 percent. Calculate yourself. Don't be ....
  • vahatak
    vahatak 21 November 2013 18: 01
    +2
    I didn’t understand one thing: which experts estimated the transferred uranium at 8 trillion? This is the key question in the article, but for some reason only half of the sentence is written about this.
    1. atalef
      atalef 22 November 2013 08: 21
      -1
      Quote: vahatak
      I didn’t understand one thing: which experts estimated the transferred uranium at 8 trillion? This is the key question in the article, but for some reason only half of the sentence is written about this.

      exactly the same who wrote this engaged nonsense
  • Grbear
    Grbear 21 November 2013 18: 01
    -2
    Not an article, but crumbling something. The indemnity for the "cold" war that Putin "gives"? EBN <=> Putin? "Depleted" weapons-grade uranium, such as non-weapon plutonium? If only I looked into the textbook. (-).

    And the fact that we are responsible for the obligations (although not profitable, because the "setup with the scammer" is obvious) is a PLUS of Russia.
  • rolik2
    rolik2 21 November 2013 18: 23
    0
    500 tons urn

    500 tons of weapons-grade plutonium

    So what did uranium or plutonium sell to Americans?
    The author himself got confused in his article.
    If uranium was sold, then what percentage of enrichment ?? After all, the cost of uranium depends on the percentage of enrichment.
    If plutonium was sold, then where did they get 500 tons? If we take into account that plutonium shaft for the manufacture of its warheads. The figure is not real.
    So it’s not entirely correct to talk about scammers and indemnities, nevertheless they paid for it.
    To say that the transaction value is significantly underestimated is also incorrect, there is insufficient data on what percentage of uranium enrichment, or was it plutonium?
    1. predator.3
      predator.3 21 November 2013 20: 20
      +1
      Plutonium
      Cost: about $ 4000 per gram.

      http://alexfg.blogspot.ru/2011/11/180.html
  • netMolotov
    netMolotov 21 November 2013 18: 27
    0
    The Millennium Scam has ended: the last batch of our uranium has gone overseas.


    Well, of course - the collapse and disappearance of the Roman Empire and Ancient civilization is a minor event in the last millennium compared to OUR URANIUM. I understand that superlatives are our everything, but we must have a conscience!
  • major071
    major071 21 November 2013 18: 31
    +8
    This was the last batch of uranium to be shipped to the United States on the basis of the Russian-American agreement concluded 20 years ago, which provides for the supply to America of 500 metric tons of uranium,

    Just as our politicians didn’t lie under America at that time, they licked their ass, if only to grab more money. Well, so what, what about the country ..., but the pockets were full. And some more walk on the ground, smile, and on the drum, what we think of them. fool
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 21 November 2013 18: 33
    +6
    Quote: rolik2
    500 tons urn

    500 tons of weapons-grade plutonium

    So what did uranium or plutonium sell to Americans?
    The author himself got confused in his article.
    If uranium was sold, then what percentage of enrichment ?? After all, the cost of uranium depends on the percentage of enrichment.
    If plutonium was sold, then where did they get 500 tons? If we take into account that plutonium shaft for the manufacture of its warheads. The figure is not real.
    So it’s not entirely correct to talk about scammers and indemnities, nevertheless they paid for it.
    To say that the transaction value is significantly underestimated is also incorrect, there is insufficient data on what percentage of uranium enrichment, or was it plutonium?

    Weapon-grade plutonium sold! I remember in the 90th infa jumped, like we’ll disarm and we don’t need it .. submarine rockets for scrap .. and we will all chew gum in jeans and drink Coca-Cola .. Then everything abated dramatically .. Once again, it’s very difficult to produce weapon-grade plutonium and accumulate .. This is a very complex production and long-term .. and dangerous! ..
    1. clidon
      clidon 21 November 2013 18: 54
      0
      They sold uranium. Actually in the transaction is the name of the sold HEU-LEU. Bukovka u-uranium.
    2. Corsair5912
      Corsair5912 21 November 2013 20: 03
      +4
      Quote: MIKHAN
      Weapon-grade plutonium sold! I remember in the 90th infa jumped, like we’ll disarm and we don’t need it .. submarine rockets for scrap .. and we will all chew gum in jeans and drink Coca-Cola .. Then everything abated dramatically .. Once again, it’s very difficult to produce weapon-grade plutonium and accumulate .. This is a very complex production and long-term .. and dangerous! ..

      Very expensive production. http://www.russia-today.ru/old/archive/2002/No_14/14_continuation_1.htm
      - Yeltsin and Clinton agreed on a price of 24 thousand dollars per kilogram at a meeting in Vancouver. Well, how the Americans obtained Yeltsin’s consent during the feasts, said in his book US Deputy Secretary of State Talbott ... Uranium weapons are not the kind of goods that are traded on exchanges. It does not and cannot have a market price. The Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty limits the right to sell or acquire it. So to refer to the market, its law of supply and demand, is simply to bluff. Over the past 60 years, about 2000 tons of weapons-grade uranium have been produced in the world. The share of the USSR is 1000 tons, the USA is 590 tons. According to American data, about 590 trillion dollars were spent on these 4 tons. We give back 500 tons for 11,9 billion. Compare these costs. Scientists at the Washington Institute of Nuclear Research in one of the publications stated that the US budget receives a thousand times more from the HEU-LEU transaction than the Russian ...
      1. atalef
        atalef 21 November 2013 20: 58
        -4
        Quote: Corsair5912
        Scientists at the Washington Institute of Nuclear Research in one of the publications stated that the US budget receives a thousand times more from the HEU-LEU transaction than the Russian ..

        The comparison is not correct.
        You have accumulated (as an example) 1000 tons of poison - which the world can be poached 40 times. the enemy is about the same. We agreed that it seems like 5 times is enough. safety of both will not be affected --- reduced. You have 500 tons of uranium left. What to do with it? You can convert it into fuel cells for yourself 100 years ahead and ... close all production. firing 100 tons of people. ruining enterprises and a couple of single-industry towns. . You can lay it on long-term storage. having invested a couple of tens of billions - to build storage, but? What to do - it seems like it’s impossible to do with the elements - again we return to production that already works and there is no need for anyone to oversupply, to store it (suddenly it will be needed) --- the same gets out pretty penny. And a new one is coming - you cannot close the mines. what's wrong with people.
        Then the States came and they say - if you want to sell - this is our price. do not want ..... what is the solution? These 500 tons gave people work in the 90s, they did not ruin production. and uranium - there is enough of it in Russia, an overabundance. nowhere to go. You did not pay attention, we have 1000 tons in the states of 590. but reduced equally, i.e. if everyone has left, let's say 100t in warheads. some have unnecessary 500t, the other 900t. Enough already to deal with hoarding, have already invested once, we have all the same come to parity. Now you are starting to cry for this uranium, but to do what happened to it?
        Uranium in the market is the same product. oversupply --- falling prices. and there were no other customers to buy. thank you for buying and giving work (mind you it was the 90s) Now I would have been without this deal. in the United States would buy uranium because , they’d definitely poher.
        1. Lesnik
          Lesnik 22 November 2013 16: 01
          0
          Quote: atalef
          Uranium in the market is the same product. oversupply --- falling prices. and there were no other customers to buy. thank you for buying and giving work (mind you it was the 90s) Now I would have been without this deal. in the United States would buy uranium because , they’d definitely poher.

          Thank God not everything in this life is measured by money!
          Any damage to the economy and (or) the country's defense should be given a LEGAL assessment in other words, EVERY official who signed or prepared this transaction, whatever it was profitable at that time, whether economically or politically, MUST RESPOND FOR ITS ACTIONS !!!!! ! (even Chernomyrdin posthumously)
          Without a legal assessment of the actions of Gorbachev, Yeltsin, KRAVCHUK, and the rest of the sale of riffraff REVIVAL OF THE COUNTRY IS IMPOSSIBLE !!!!!!
          1. atalef
            atalef 22 November 2013 16: 06
            +1
            Quote: Forestman
            SHOULD RESPOND FOR ITS ACTIONS !!!!!! (even Chernomyrdin posthumously)
            \
            And what were the contenders
            In 1659, a year after the death of Lord Protector of England, Scotland and Ireland, Oliver Cromwell, his body was pulled out of the grave, hanged, and then quartered. Similarly, traitors to the homeland were traditionally punished in England.
      2. IGS
        IGS 21 November 2013 21: 10
        -3
        1. Over 60 years, technology has changed a lot, I think that a trillion by today's standards has gone only to make the filling for the first bombs.
        2.Russia (USSR) in the 70s took a sharp lead forward on these technologies.
        3. At present, plutonium, and, accordingly, fuel uranium, is given priority in nuclear fuel as raw materials for the production of plutonium in reactors of the same nuclear power plants.
        If they lost in value then billions, but not trillions. At that time, the United States was really very afraid that this uranium would go into the wrong hands when our warships were selling for $ 1. Therefore, they insisted on this deal. And don't talk about the conspiracy, etc., the remaining plutonium and weapons-grade uranium we would have more than enough to erase the United States. Enough conspiracy theories and enemies everywhere. There are enough other problems. And about the cost, everything is perfectly calculated and has a price. "It includes the cost of mining natural uranium in the amount required to produce one kilogram of fuel uranium with an enrichment of 4,5%, the cost of processing this amount into uranium hexofluoride, and the cost of enrichment work. Assume that the concentration of enrichment is 235%. Therefore, for the production of 0,2 kg of fuel uranium with an enrichment of 1%, you must initially have 4,5 kg of natural uranium. Its price on the world market, according to the organization OCDE (The Economics of the Nuclear Fuel Cycle , OCDE, Paris 8,6), is about $ 1994 per kg.The cost of converting uranium into uranium hexofluoride UF-40 is estimated at about $ 6 per kg.Therefore, to obtain the initial product from which one kg of fuel uranium can be obtained by enrichment, it is necessary to spend about $ 8 The beneficiation process will require 413 separation work units with a total cost of $ 7,6 (836 x $ 7,6 / SWU). , the average price of one kg of fuel uranium on the world market is about $ 110 "
        This is the processing data for that period. Now the cost of uranium has decreased, but if you add inflation, then you get about the same as now.
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  • Cher
    Cher 21 November 2013 18: 39
    +1
    The names of the persons involved in this case are interesting, did Chernomyrdin turn it around? We will not recognize them for a long time (never).
  • ochakow703
    ochakow703 21 November 2013 18: 42
    +3
    How can you live peacefully after such news? There is no need to dig out the "maksimushka" from the straw! Lenin once said a good phrase "political prostitutes", damn it, we still live in the b ...... country.
  • Estray_
    Estray_ 21 November 2013 18: 44
    0
    Quote: Generalissimus
    Colleagues, I am very surprised by both the article and your general reaction to it.
    The article is frankly incompetent.
    By the way, on this site there have already been attempts to analyze this transaction. With fairly competent conclusions.
    There was a very serious article on this subject, unfortunately, I do not remember the source now.

    In general, do not grieve like that. In fact, Russia really benefited greatly from this deal, and strategically.

    Well, in order to understand the essence a bit, re-read the article:

    http://topwar.ru/29719-zachem-russkie-otdali-ssha-svoy-uran-i-otdali-li.html

    I apologize for the minus.
    1. Generalissimus
      Generalissimus 22 November 2013 11: 15
      0
      do not worry. )
  • Estray_
    Estray_ 21 November 2013 18: 44
    -1
    Quote: Generalissimus
    Colleagues, I am very surprised by both the article and your general reaction to it.
    The article is frankly incompetent.
    By the way, on this site there have already been attempts to analyze this transaction. With fairly competent conclusions.
    There was a very serious article on this subject, unfortunately, I do not remember the source now.

    In general, do not grieve like that. In fact, Russia really benefited greatly from this deal, and strategically.

    Well, in order to understand the essence a bit, re-read the article:

    http://topwar.ru/29719-zachem-russkie-otdali-ssha-svoy-uran-i-otdali-li.html

    I apologize for the minus.
  • R'RёS,R ° F "RёR№
    R'RёS,R ° F "RёR№ 21 November 2013 18: 44
    +3
    So that they fuck choked on our uranium .... Or poisoned.
  • R'RёS,R ° F "RёR№
    R'RёS,R ° F "RёR№ 21 November 2013 18: 44
    +1
    So that they fuck choked on our uranium .... Or poisoned.
  • tank64rus
    tank64rus 21 November 2013 18: 59
    +3
    We would have studied with Lenin at the Genoa conference on the claims of former allies in tsarist debts, the People's Commissar Litvinov filed a counterclaim to the West for intervention and civil war, and they shut up.
  • erased
    erased 21 November 2013 19: 00
    +5
    Enemies of the country and people to name by name! Judge as strictly as possible with the complete confiscation of property! Cancel the moratorium on the death penalty and exponentially hang with broadcast on TV!
    But!
    Horseradish power will allow this! For there, upstairs, the very same enemies are still sitting! And they are also trading in our Motherland.
  • rudolff
    rudolff 21 November 2013 19: 11
    +6
    This is an old story. The deal was concluded without publicity and, in fact, secretly. We learned about it by accident and a huge scandal erupted. In the 90s it was fashionable to broadcast the State Duma meetings and I remember these battles on this uranium topic. It was precisely about weapons-grade uranium withdrawn from warheads being removed from service, not about fuel at all. It is still unknown whether we dispatched a "live" armory or badazhili before dispatch, but the price is exactly for 500 tons of an armory. Representatives of the government were summoned to the Duma, but they really could not explain anything about this deal and about the reasons for its conclusion. Among others, there was a question about the supply of weapons-grade plutonium, but it was then overwritten. Whether the plutonium was supplied is not known for certain. A Duma investigation was initiated. The story began to gradually subside and after a while they forgot about it. At that time, there was a strong belief that the deal was stopped. Although I tried to follow this story, I myself was amazed when I learned a few years ago that the agreement was in force and is still being properly implemented. Moreover, I learned from American sources, where a report on the progress of its implementation was published. We have a closed topic. As I understand it, it is closed primarily from its own people.
  • waisson
    waisson 21 November 2013 19: 20
    +3
    I think it’s necessary to judge everyone who was involved in this transaction under the law of wartime, here the collapse of the army and the undermining of state sovereignty and betrayal and much more and this is a tower but no tower but send them to mine uranium with a kyle until the end of life