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On glonassofobiya USA: why America is not going anywhere from our satellite navigation

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The US State Department has denied Russia the deployment of GLONASS stations on its territory. American media reported that, despite the initial positive decision, the Pentagon and the CIA intervened in the matter, who said that the Russian satellite signal correction stations in America would allow Russia to direct cruise missiles to Americans with an accuracy of one meter, as well as spyware operations and generally threaten "American dominance in the field of satellite navigation."


Note: the accusations that the Russian weapon will gain a significant advantage due to the expansion of the GLONASS station network, delusional, simply because neither Russian rockets nor Russian planes rely on satellite navigation signals in their work. The satellite signal can be of help, however, as the flight of Russian strategic bombers across the Atlantic a few years ago showed, it can suddenly be turned off or hammered by interference, so military systems are oriented primarily towards other navigation methods. Below is about why the rest of the claims of Americans are just as crazy and how GLONASS got to the USA in general.

Why do we need these stations

On glonassofobiya USA: why America is not going anywhere from our satellite navigation

Satellite groupings of positioning systems that GLONASS and GPS are organized in the same way. Speaking primitively, several satellites constantly hang in orbit, each of which sends signals with its own coordinates on the air, and ground receivers catch these signals from several vehicles at once and, based on the signal delay, calculate their distance from each of them, getting a point on the earth's surface . The more satellites are visible, the more accurate the calculations. This system is capable of operating without any additional ground stations, but then its accuracy would be extremely low. It is impossible to achieve perfect work because the clocks of receivers and satellites are not synchronized, the ionosphere and the Earth’s atmosphere affect the signal, the satellite orbit is not perfect and can be deflected even under the influence of the perturbation of the magnetic fields of our planet.

Differential correction and monitoring stations are needed in order to improve positioning accuracy. They are located in geodetic points, adjusted to the millimeter, where they can listen and analyze signals of the satellite constellation. If the satellite begins to report to the station incorrect data about where it is located, the station is able to quickly track down the fault and transmit data about it to the base site. He will calculate the error for all regions of the planet, from where the stalled satellite is seen, after which he will transmit a corrective indication into orbit, and the satellite will begin broadcasting new coordinates that already correspond to the standard. As an option, the data will transmit to another satellite with the correction function, but the result is the same - the system will quickly fix itself automatically.

The accuracy of the GPS system is ensured by three zones in which ground monitoring stations are densely installed. These are WAAS in North America, EGNOS in Europe and MSAS in Japan. In Russia, the network of GPS stations is not, however, individual adjustment units work. In particular, since 1998, St. Petersburg has an open-access base station, supplied by a tender from the Ministry of Transport of the Russian Federation. It broadcasts signals with differential correction of coordinates, which are received by devices along with signals from satellites, and thus can improve the performance of all GPS receivers in 150 km radius. However, such stations operate only as a satellite substitute in a limited area and are not able to regulate the satellite constellation.

GLONASS has three stations of control in Antarctica and sixteen in Russia, thanks to which in the Arctic the signal of our system has much higher accuracy. However, it is not difficult to beat the Americans here, since the NAVSTAR / GPS grouping is rejected to the south and regularly gives an error in the polar regions up to 800 meters. However, until recently in the rest of the world there were nothing and no one to correct minor errors of our satellites. This year, a ground station was opened in the north of Brazil, which needs the most accurate positioning in its jungle, soon the same station in the south of the country and another in Cuba will join it. Negotiations are underway with Australia, Indonesia and several European countries that could set up EGNOS to adjust our satellites too.

What to expect in the future

These are still single objects, but they are already capable of qualitatively improving the signal of the Russian system. It must be said that GLONASS does not necessarily place ominous black boxes with unknown equipment surrounded by barbed wire and KGB employees on the territory of other states. The organization of the work of the system is such that only a local contractor can service a ground station in another country, of course, with proper control from Russia. This completely eliminates the possibility of collecting any extraneous data through GLONASS devices, which some US senators have already intimidated their public.

If we exclude American hawks from the equation, then there are no opponents of placing GLONASS stations in the world. GLONASS and GPS systems are competing only in the reality of the Cold War, and in the modern world all geodetic receivers and more than a third of domestic signal receivers are already working with both systems at once for one simple reason — positioning eight to ten satellites is much better than three to four . For the whole world, there is practically a single aggregate orbital constellation of satellites, and if a part of it earns with improved accuracy, then absolutely everyone will benefit from it.

Therefore, the US State Department, interested in softening relations with Russia, should soon inevitably side with the lobby of surveyors and electronics engineers against the lobby of the CIA and the Pentagon. Otherwise, the stations of Russia will still appear either in Canada, or in Greenland, or in Cuba - only this time America will not be able to bargain for it. The construction of the Russian stations will require the holy for America market, which has already felt the benefits of two coexisting systems. Thus, America’s undivided dominance in the field of satellite navigation also turns out to be an urban legend, and not a real state of affairs.

It is noteworthy that Russia asked the United States for the possibility of locating its monitoring stations, primarily in Alaska. This means that if GPS traditionally provides high-quality reception in the USA and Europe, then GLONASS intends to stake out the Arctic. “However,” he regularly talks about why and how Russia returns to the Arctic.
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  1. sscha
    sscha 22 November 2013 08: 04
    18
    Are imperial ambitions already overshadowing them? fool hi
    1. Tatarus
      Tatarus 22 November 2013 08: 31
      +3
      Whose ambition?
      1. AVV
        AVV 22 November 2013 12: 17
        +5
        Selected accordingly !!!
    2. Bronis
      Bronis 22 November 2013 08: 59
      20
      Quote: sscha
      Are imperial ambitions already overshadowing them?

      Why not? We are right from our "national bell tower", and the Americans - from theirs. Why should they let an economic rival, and even into their native land? They solve the problem simply and reliably. And that's all. And we need it more often ...
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 22 November 2013 11: 48
        +3
        Quote: Bronis
        Why would they let an economic competitor, and even into their own homeland?

        What do you mean why? We let them go.
        In Russia, there is no network of GPS stations, however, single adjustment settings work.
        1. Bronis
          Bronis 22 November 2013 15: 05
          +1
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          Quote: Bronis
          Why would they let an economic competitor, and even into their own homeland?
          What do you mean why? We let them go.

          So what? They themselves are to blame ... the logic is this.
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 22 November 2013 15: 11
            +5
            Quote: Bronis
            So what? They themselves are to blame ... the logic is this.

            So easy to fix everything, turn off the lights, under the pretext of repairing electrical networks. Onishchenko’s method is just right for this case.
    3. ShturmKGB
      ShturmKGB 22 November 2013 10: 10
      27
      Our missiles will find the USA even without glonas ... Is it not clear that the Americans will never be equal partners, you need to be much stronger than them or just trample in the mud, and then say ...
    4. Army1
      Army1 22 November 2013 11: 36
      +6
      Quote: sscha
      Are imperial ambitions already overshadowing them? fool hi

      No, they just still see in a dream guys with blue berets, parachuting down to the white house.
      1. krokodil25
        krokodil25 22 November 2013 16: 01
        +1
        It’s immediately obvious that the myrikosas themselves are judged by espionage equipment, etc. We will need to shy away from them without satellites !!! am
    5. Sakmagon
      Sakmagon 22 November 2013 21: 00
      +4
      Pentagon and CIA say Russian stations ... will allow Russia to direct cruise missiles at Americans with an accuracy of one meter

      oh well, at least until two ... tongue
      "After all, the Russians have everything by eye, and if they think that their weapon can easily penetrate 10-15 centimeters of steel, then who knows how much it really is."
      Victoria Ugryumova "Dragon of the 3rd Reich"
    6. Sakmagon
      Sakmagon 22 November 2013 21: 03
      +4
      This means that if GPS traditionally provides high-quality reception in the USA and Europe, then GLONASS intends to stake out the Arctic for itself. However, “However,” he regularly talks about why and how Russia is returning to the Arctic.

      How-what ... we’ll return - we’ll figure it out!
    7. Gladiatir-zlo
      Gladiatir-zlo 22 November 2013 22: 58
      +2
      Well, it is NATO and the Empire, Schaub keep and do not let go. And the fact that modern communication equipment and positioning are not capable of combining "other" functions, then do not hang noodles. and I can and Do very successfully. Well, two bears in one den are cramped, so they push
      1. Vasek
        Vasek 28 November 2013 20: 42
        +2
        Quote: Gladiatir-Zlo
        two bears in one den densely


        Once upon a time there were two bears.
        One of them thought that he sucks his paw in winter, and the other brazenly used it laughing
    8. chunga-changa
      chunga-changa 28 November 2013 22: 19
      0
      Clean business. The fewer stations, the less accurate the signal. Those to whom accuracy is important work with DPS.
  2. makarov
    makarov 22 November 2013 08: 07
    +3
    They refused (?), But this is not a tragedy. There are many more ways of positioning. For example, the scatter of buoys in neutral waters, or other effective things.
    1. mark1
      mark1 22 November 2013 10: 31
      +2
      Quote: makarov
      For example, the scatter of buoys in neutral waters,

      Will accuracy be great? + - 1000m?
    2. rolik2
      rolik2 22 November 2013 11: 05
      +1
      --In Russia, there is no network of GPS stations--

      It would be strange if the Americans allowed to establish Russian stations on their territory.
      1. mark1
        mark1 22 November 2013 11: 40
        +5
        Quote: rolik2
        --In Russia, there is no network of GPS stations--

        In the news I heard that there are - more than a dozen (19 pcs).
      2. bif
        bif 22 November 2013 20: 05
        +4
        Quote: rolik2
        --In Russia, there is no network of GPS stations--

        In October last year, Vitaly Davydov, who then held the post of deputy director of the Russian Space Agency, announced that the department plans to deploy eight stations in the United States. He also emphasized that in Russia there are 19 measuring stations of the American GPS system. The Russian and American sides held several meetings on this issue, during which the Americans requested additional information on the project. http://vz.ru/news/2013/11/17/659973.html

        States will place GLONASS stations anyway, as by refusing the Russian Federation, the states have every chance of losing their stations on the territory of the Russian Federation, and the Russian Federation will not be difficult to find an alternative. Most importantly, these 19 stations "vital" required for GPS to work correctly. "The main difference from the GPS system is that the GLONASS satellites in their orbital motion do not have resonance (synchronization) with the Earth's rotation, which provides them with greater stability. Thus, the GLONASS constellation does not require additional adjustments during the entire period of active existence. However, the lifespan of GLONASS satellites is noticeably shorter. "
    3. voldmis
      voldmis 22 November 2013 12: 19
      +1
      Quote: makarov
      There are many more ways of positioning. For example, scatter of buoys in neutral waters


      I think this will not work, because: ... they are located in geodetic points verified to a millimeter where they can listen and analyze signals from satellite constellation ...
      Sea waves and currents will interfere and move the ground receiver. Accurate calibration in this case will definitely fail.
  3. Ruslandeth
    Ruslandeth 22 November 2013 08: 11
    +6
    Is there an option to no longer take GPS satellite modules into orbit as a response?

    I myself use GPS in the car for now, due to the fact that GPS / GLONASS receivers are more expensive and have not seen such integrated ones in a SHGU suitable for my hondochka. I’ll buy a meeting, because GPS is crooked on our DV roads))
    1. Far East
      Far East 22 November 2013 13: 12
      +1
      Quote: Ruslandeth
      I myself use GPS in the car for now, due to the fact that GPS / GLONASS receivers are more expensive and have not seen such integrated ones in a SHGU suitable for my hondochka. I’ll buy a meeting, because GPS is crooked on our DV roads))

      I respect you! but I do not agree with you! I use two systems in ONE device and everything works Nissan Terrano! hi
  4. Vadim-Skeptic
    Vadim-Skeptic 22 November 2013 08: 14
    -15 qualifying.
    And our satellite "navigation" cannot get away from the foreign element base.
    1. Evgeniy46
      Evgeniy46 22 November 2013 09: 40
      15
      what are you talking about? We have problems with the elemental base (microcircuits) of civilian use. With electronic components of dual (GLONASS) and military purposes is not as bad as you see it.
      PS Recently purchased radio components for another idea. From foreign only four capacitors
      1. Papakiko
        Papakiko 22 November 2013 12: 02
        +1
        Quote: Eugene46
        Recently purchased radio components for another idea. From foreign only four capacitors

        Let me curiosity: What do you make?
        And then of all that "left-handers" are now riveting is irrigation systems for household needs and for body repairs (Spotter).
        1. Evgeniy46
          Evgeniy46 22 November 2013 12: 27
          +3
          These dofig designs ... personal in sense wink and I have an idea for my future wife to give a small heart with LED backlight. Inside the chip with a USB connector for recording a pair of three songs. I pay occasionally, so I started doing it early
          1. Papakiko
            Papakiko 22 November 2013 15: 43
            0
            Quote: Eugene46
            small heart with LED backlight

            Cupid device. good

            And combine with a hamster a retailer-dancer ??
            1. nik6006
              nik6006 26 November 2013 12: 19
              +2
              from everything that now Russian "left-handers" rivet these systems or a Kalashnikov assault rifle or multiple launch rocket systems are obtained laughing (joke)
  5. Snoop
    Snoop 22 November 2013 08: 20
    +8
    Glonass is still a Soviet development, if my memory serves me according to the plan they were supposed to be put into operation in 92-93. But perestroika, glasnost, and then the 90s of victorious democracy. There was a subroutine "Messenger", for the military, something is not heard about it.
  6. Tatarus
    Tatarus 22 November 2013 08: 30
    12
    Russia, Brazil, Antarctica ... Yeah .. No, of course I'm extremely happy for the penguins. Although they are all well with the connection. laughing
    1. kartalovkolya
      kartalovkolya 22 November 2013 08: 55
      +5
      Well, penguins (in the sense of gender) always had a normal connection, but they didn’t have a positioning system. And do not confuse surveying with communication ...
      1. Tatarus
        Tatarus 22 November 2013 15: 21
        +2
        Do not confuse the joke with seriousness
        1. CTEPX
          CTEPX 26 November 2013 08: 02
          +1
          Quote: Tatarus
          Do not confuse the joke with seriousness

          Quote: kartalovkolya
          but they did not have a positioning system.

          Now, thanks to GLONASS, in the production of communication penguins will understand: are they real gays or, so, went for a walk)).
  7. Asgard
    Asgard 22 November 2013 09: 41
    -6
    ...... In fact, there are not many devices of combined Glonas \ GPS systems in the world, Well, somewhere -0,5% of pure GPS devices ...
    Recently, this share has begun to grow, in view of the equipping of railway receivers and vehicles
    But, as a rule, these devices are more expensive and not very compact ....
    Glonas is used by the military, only in the air defense forces, WORKING satellites have been hanging in orbit since 1985 (from that moment it was already possible to determine something on the surface of the earth))) the satellite’s operating life is short 5 years. The state does not properly care about group, in 2001 6 satellites dangled in orbit (the system did not work))
    Wait 27 deployed satellite constellation ....

    The advantage of Glonas is two !!! A better signal in the polar latitudes, and a better (faster than GPS) determination of coordinates on the surface of the Earth ....BUT FOR THIS NEED STATIONS ON THE GROUND, FOR CALCULATION AND CORRECTION OF THE GLONAS SIGNAL...
    The Americans understand this ... and carry nonsense with spy equipment)))))
    Still, there are no worthy receivers of the Glonas signal.
    Military We are not available, in view of secrecy and DIMENSIONS)))))
    Civilian receivers make about 10 enterprises in Russia))) In China, Taiwan and the United States ....
    A foreign-used chip is used, APPLE announced the use of the Glonas signal? they seem to be used in their iPhones, a number of premium Chinese smartphones use the Russian system ..... From Xiaomi's Son, He says that he works with Glonas, and he studies at ITMO (so you can believe))))

    In general, the Chinese have their own positioning system, called KOmpas (Beidou) or rather TWO (oddly enough))) but the accuracy there is such, you can determine which country you are in))))
    They launched the first Compass in 2000, it was 4 satellites. They hung over China and positioning could only be done there .... (analogue to GPS)))
    But right now they are deploying a grouping according to the Soviet model (that is, GLONAS)) Beidow 2, by 2020 they are going to deploy a grouping of 30 satellites and COVER THE WORLD GLOBALLY))))

    There is another system in the world - the European "Galileo" without a military component, there are few receivers capable of receiving a signal in the world (almost none)) The EU project is not moving very much, there is a great chance that it will not be completed, although even big money has already been invested than in Glonas ...

    Glonas has the coolest potential, BUT the system needs to be built as the manufacturers intended, that is, there MUST BE STATIONS ON THE GROUND and in America in particular .....
    And develop YOUR ELEMENT BASE, so that the designation on the microcircuits is in Cyrillic ...
    And the receiver spoke Russian, but was not Russified (like my Garmin Nuvi 3590 LT)))
    Well, for comparison, Glonas navigator)))))
    glonas receiver
    1. vthrehbq
      vthrehbq 22 November 2013 09: 56
      16
      =)) Samsung Galaxy 3, 4, iPhone 5, new HTC models there is already installed a GPS / Glonass receiver ... so your text is erroneous

      and the posted photo makes you think that you just decided to troll here ..
      1. Onyx
        Onyx 22 November 2013 10: 36
        +5
        Quote: vthrehbq
        =)) Samsung Galaxy 3, 4, iPhone 5, new HTC models there is already installed a GPS / Glonass receiver ... so your text is erroneous

        and the posted photo makes you think that you just decided to troll here ..

        And there is. Asgard - Cheap Troll
        1. Asgard
          Asgard 22 November 2013 10: 56
          12
          .... guys you crashed from an oak tree, wrote from memory, via phone (barely shoved the link)))
          Where are the signs of trolling here ????
          What is Glonas potentially better ??? 7
          Or that I didn’t list the phone brands, so I wrote Chinese (some))) and Jobs mentioned the phone)))
          Or what the Chinese Soviet model deploy a global constellation in low orbits ?????
          I can’t remember everything, then if I were writing an article, I would double-check it, I would post links, refer to ANOTHER OPINION, since mine is not enough for you ..

          Think of the posts as a conversation, without (giving)) the characteristics of the interlocutor ....
          This is how people behave(see red jo-poo in everything)))))))))))))))))))))))
          And people read your posts and understand that the guy writes ABOUT HIMSELF))))
          There is such a formula (trouble-free))
          Want to know about Man, find out what he thinks of others))))
          My gods !!!! and this is a discourse about Glonas ?????)))))
      2. 31231
        31231 22 November 2013 11: 55
        +3
        I have a 4s iPhone. Already have GLONASS.
    2. Aleksey_K
      Aleksey_K 22 November 2013 13: 04
      +1
      The Americans understand this ... and carry nonsense with spy equipment)))))
      There is no nonsense about spy equipment. In the USSR, the building of the American embassy was built, stuffed with Soviet espionage equipment. The Americans checked, discovered, and refused to move. In addition, American developments in computers spy on us without asking us. Here is one example: disconnected from the provider, closed Windows, and on the blue screen a message, do not turn off the power, because updates are being downloaded (without my permission). Those. they just need a network cable or Wi-Fi. The second example: Recently, the scandal was that their built-in video cameras are watching us, without their activation in the system. So Americans know what they say!
    3. iSpoiler
      iSpoiler 22 November 2013 14: 18
      +1
      This is one of the prototype receivers, now Glonass is in every 3m smartphone-tablet .... Let's say the GPS-GLONASS chip is generally thrust everywhere .. Another Lg, Sony ... I'm silent about the Chinese and all sorts of less popular brands.
    4. mountain
      mountain 22 November 2013 21: 26
      +1
      Asgard! You would remember in the 60s. Now a conventional navigator that is on sale catches GLONAS and there is no clarity and interference, as on the American system. And whether there will be more.
      And the United States will break like a girl, a virgin and will not go anywhere. While their greens are in motion and chop loot together, and even then they will lose. It’s time for them to get used to a new place in the world.
    5. user1212
      user1212 29 November 2013 06: 47
      0
      In the photo is an old-style army navigator ridiculed by the entire Internet. New look here wink http://habrahabr.ru/post/142339/
      To put it mildly, it is not correct to compare civilian smartphones and army CPS. How many Samsung Galaxy will live in the war zone?
  8. Achtaba1970
    Achtaba1970 22 November 2013 11: 05
    0
    On my Samsung Omni W, too, Glonass, in my opinion ours introduced some fees for receivers not equipped with Glonass
  9. Clueless
    Clueless 22 November 2013 11: 08
    +1
    I’ve got glonas and gps on my laptop, but since the chip is new, almost no navigation program supports it :(
  10. SPLV
    SPLV 22 November 2013 11: 17
    +3
    The most important thing in this news is that the USA felt the competition! They have already begun to defend themselves against the undeveloped system. And as always with their "exclusive" methods: to prohibit, to be indignant, to cover up with "national interests"!
    1. rolik2
      rolik2 22 November 2013 12: 25
      -11 qualifying.
      what nafig competition ???
      how many GPS users and how many Glonas ???
      and what are these "exceptional" methods ???
      Are there American stations in Russia?
      no, they were also not allowed to deploy, guided by the same principles. Probably, too, were indignant and covered themselves with "national interests"?
      these are just small dirty tricks like "you didn't let us build a station and we will give you an Indian hut"
      1. Aleksey_K
        Aleksey_K 22 November 2013 13: 11
        +2
        It's not about competition, but about the fact that if someone uses someone else's system, then in the event of a conflict, someone else's system will be turned off and you will be left without navigation. This is at least. All this technique can be controlled through this system. And third: Nobody checks gray assemblies for the presence of explosives in devices. A few grams and in an hour "H" you will be mutilated. If at the head, then you will be left without a head, if on your knees, then without eggs.
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  11. UVB
    UVB 22 November 2013 11: 20
    0
    Quote: Asgard
    They launched the first Compass in 2000, it was 4 satellites. They hung over China and positioning could only be done there .... (analogue to GPS)))
    And how can satellites hang over China? The geostationary orbit is above the equator!
    1. Asgard
      Asgard 22 November 2013 12: 57
      0
      Yes, in the geostationary orbit, as switching, through them works and communication and TV ....
      Compass (Baidou)), for example, on a car, when determining the coordinates, it also uses a communication channel with the satellite, that is, it emits a signal (there is a transmitter)) that is, it is the third point for the coordinates to disappear, and the calculations are performed not on the user's equipment, but on the tracking station. ....
      That is, the car is enough to see TWO SATELLITES Compass ......
  12. Oberst_71
    Oberst_71 22 November 2013 11: 32
    +1
    like in the territory of RUSSIA 19 GPS stations. How can I blackmail ov?
    1. iConst
      iConst 22 November 2013 12: 08
      0
      Quote: Oberst_71
      like in the territory of RUSSIA 19 GPS stations. How can I blackmail ov?

      Not really, but a little troll - yes. For example, prohibit the import of devices with GPS modules. Disable GPS software.

      But who will be worse?
      1. nov_tech.vrn
        nov_tech.vrn 27 November 2013 13: 30
        0
        they only threatened to increase import duties by 15-30% and everything turned out GLONASS is already being sewn with might and main in new devices.
  13. sxn278619
    sxn278619 22 November 2013 11: 38
    +1
    Quote: UVBA how can satellites hang over China? Geostationary orbit is above the equator! [/ Quote

    The comrade wanted to say that their orbits passed over China.
  14. Takashi
    Takashi 22 November 2013 11: 45
    0
    uh. I was embarrassed by the fact that we decided to build a station in Alaska.

    In no way is this connected with the return of us to the Arctic. With the same success, it was possible to build a station in Anadyr, Wales, Dezhnevo, Inchoun.

    The fact that the Americans refused, is understandable.
    1) Alaska - is a strategic state for oil reserves and production
    2) In Alaska, a very large number of military bases.

    PS / Glonass do not use. On the phone is GPS. Although I do not know which group he actually picks up. :) :) :)
  15. vanya
    vanya 22 November 2013 11: 47
    0
    nokia lumia supports glonass
  16. iConst
    iConst 22 November 2013 12: 01
    +2
    If we exclude American hawks from the equation, then there are no opponents to the deployment of GLONASS stations in the world.
    These hawks, like chickens, have become somewhat pleasing. laughing
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  18. iConst
    iConst 22 November 2013 12: 19
    0
    This program must meet deadlines. And then the first satellites will soon "fall out" of orbits - the supply of the correcting agent and the resource of electronics are not unlimited ...
  19. iConst
    iConst 22 November 2013 12: 28
    0
    A satellite signal can be of help, however, as the flight of Russian strategic bombers across the Atlantic a few years ago showed, it can suddenly be turned off or jammed, so that military systems focus primarily on other navigation methods.

    Yes - positioning systems turned out to be not as anti-interference as calculated.

    Because amerikosy move a new idea - to lay in the device pre-prepared maps of terrain.

    This will allow, for example, a rocket to be completely autonomous and abandon all types of radio communications, which is a weak point from different angles.
    1. Aleksey_K
      Aleksey_K 22 November 2013 13: 13
      +3
      And what's new. This has long existed when there was no mobile communications yet.
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  21. shinobi
    shinobi 22 November 2013 12: 47
    +1
    All this excuses. On all strategic devices there is an inertial-astronomical positioning system which, to the bulb, all external influences get to where they were sent with a 90% guarantee. Data from missile launches, their flight data and other craps are engaged in surface monitoring satellites from the middle of 80gg. real time. In short, a dumb excuse so as not to let competitors.
  22. Vadim-Skeptic
    Vadim-Skeptic 22 November 2013 13: 19
    0
    Quote: Eugene46
    what are you talking about? We have problems with the elemental base (microcircuits) of civilian use. With electronic components of dual (GLONASS) and military purposes is not as bad as you see it.
    PS Recently purchased radio components for another idea. From foreign only four capacitors

    In the production of space systems, a commercial ECB is not used, military with reservations, and there is no domestic ECB for space purposes. Moreover, you do not take into account a number of characteristics (excluding circuitry) that a space ECB should have. Foreign space ECBs are not sold, so expensive tests of the usual component base have to be carried out.
  23. Landwarrior
    Landwarrior 22 November 2013 13: 59
    +1
    In vain the Yankees do it. Due to GLONASS stations, they could increase the accuracy of their system. request The more points, the more accurate the network. wink
    recently opened a second frequency on JAVAD (GLONASS), before this current GPS was-now faster fixed values ​​are obtained, no five minutes to puff over each point laughing
  24. rotor
    rotor 22 November 2013 14: 26
    +2
    In Russia, there is no network of GPS stations, however, single adjustment settings work.


    In October last year, Vitaly Davydov, who then held the post of deputy director of the Russian Space Agency, announced that the department plans to deploy eight stations in the United States. He also emphasized that in Russia there are 19 measuring stations of the American GPS system.

    http://topwar.ru/36109-cru-i-pentagon-protiv-stroitelstva-stanciy-glonass-v-ssha
    .html
  25. Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 22 November 2013 14: 41
    0
    I emphasize that in contrast to the radio technical systems of long-range navigation (RSDN), a ground-based analogue of the SNA, space navigation systems can measure not only geographical coordinates, but also the height of the aircraft relative to the earth's surface. Currently, work is underway in Russia and the USA to increase the noise immunity of space navigation systems.
  26. Manul
    Manul 22 November 2013 14: 54
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    I am very glad that we have our own satellite navigation system. And I would not like to say anything bad, but .. I recently bought myself a GARMIN OREGON 650t tourist navigator. Almost the latest model, it catches satellites instantly, GPS and GPS + GLONASS. Separately, GLONASS cannot be turned on in these devices - I do not know about iPhones. So - when I turn on GLONASS additionally, I am "thrown" aside on the map at a decent distance. Maybe I still have not understood everything in the settings and calibrations, but so far I only use GPS, and it suits me.
    I repeat - I am very patriotic about GLONASS, but that any big business requires effort and refinement - no one will dispute this?
    1. Corsair5912
      Corsair5912 22 November 2013 17: 18
      +1
      Quote: Manul
      So - when I turn on GLONASS additionally, I am "thrown" aside on the map at a decent distance. Maybe I still have not understood everything in the settings and calibrations, but so far I only use GPS, and it suits me.

      I didn’t work with GLONASS, I can’t say anything, but that GPS is lying is a fact.
      Once, in 2007, in the north of the Khanty-Mansi Autonomous Okrug, I tried to find old boreholes under the snow using GPS coordinates. Divergences of the true coordinates with GPS coordinates along X and Y up to tens of meters, along Z several meters.
    2. iConst
      iConst 22 November 2013 18: 40
      +1
      Quote: Manul
      So - when I turn on GLONASS additionally, it "throws" me aside on the map at a decent distance.

      This is most likely a difference in calibrations. It’s not a fact that it’s glonas that’s buggy - it just might (I give a tooth!) They didn’t bother with pairing their GPS-encoded card.

      The fact is that if there is a module and if there is no glonas, then they take a large customs denyuzhku.
      Because the glonas was stuck there "just like that."
  27. dnh1970
    dnh1970 22 November 2013 15: 24
    +3
    GLONASS is our pride, then it will be even cooler ...
    1. Doctorleg
      Doctorleg 22 November 2013 15: 39
      -2
      Quote: dnh1970
      GLONASS is our pride, then it will be even cooler ...

      After Manul's post, the phrase looks promising wink
  28. scientist
    scientist 22 November 2013 15: 34
    +1
    GLONASS, like GPS, emits both civilian and military signals simultaneously. In this case, the differential correction stations are dependent on external power supply and, as a rule, the correction radiation is calculated only for a civil signal, since its accuracy wants to be better. It is very easily checked and controlled. In addition, the United States, having on its territory a differential correction station in the event of a threat, can safely turn it off. Therefore, the main cause of US concern about the deployment of GLONASS stations on its territory is lobbying for the interests of its own monopolists, this is obvious. However, the US has strong antitrust laws that they are so proud of. Therefore, Roscosmos must necessarily file a complaint with the American antitrust committee, check their justice for lice.
  29. Corsair5912
    Corsair5912 22 November 2013 17: 08
    +1
    The Pentagon and the CIA, ... stated that Russian satellite signal correction stations in America would allow Russia to aim cruise missiles at Americans with an accuracy of one meter, would also be spy devices and generally threaten "American dominance in satellite navigation."

    So the Yankees ssat when they are afraid.
    Surely the Yankees are guided by GPS cruise missiles? So it should be worth knocking down several satellites, or launching radio interference more densely, and their Axes will fly into the taunas, to the downs of Uncle Sam.
  30. Aristarch
    Aristarch 22 November 2013 17: 18
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    They do not want to divide the market, but they will have to. I myself use the devices of two systems, (GPS, GLONASS) accuracy is good both in the country and in the neighboring countries.
  31. Greenka
    Greenka 22 November 2013 19: 10
    +2
    In vain the Yankees do it. Due to GLONASS stations, they could increase the accuracy of their system. request The more points, the more accurate the network. wink
    recently opened a second frequency on JAVAD (GLONASS), before this current GPS was-now faster fixed values ​​are obtained, you do not need five minutes to puff at each point laughing

    as I understand it, the brother surveyor wrote JAVAD myself I want to say that GLONASS 100% accuracy in determining the coordinates increased within 0.7 cm to 1.5 cm (but this applies to geodetic receivers) civilians as they were with an accuracy of 5-7 m. and remained so what GPS what GLONASS for ordinary people accuracy gives the same thing (I’ve been working as a surveyor for 15 years)
    1. Landwarrior
      Landwarrior 23 November 2013 01: 31
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      Greenkayes colleague you are right hi True, I work about half as much laughing
  32. Aristarch
    Aristarch 22 November 2013 19: 14
    +2
    Quote: Manul
    .when I additionally turn on GLONASS, it "throws" me aside on the map at a decent distance.


    ))) Yes, you old man is just a magician)), you are only a little skidded, namely, that GLONASS is separate, or rather, as you said, to include it additionally - IT IS NOT POSSIBLE!
    This also applies to the iPhones you mentioned. wink
  33. Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 22 November 2013 22: 40
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    If you can do without the United States, on which you need to spend time and nerves trying to persuade / negotiate?
  34. akm8226
    akm8226 22 November 2013 23: 38
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    I quietly croak under the table ... you would think that if the accuracy of our missiles is not 1 but 100 meters, this will greatly help the Americans ...))))))))
  35. Stinger
    Stinger 22 November 2013 23: 51
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    Article +. Thanks for the clarification. Competently and clearly. And politicians just to make noise. Reason is not very important.
  36. uzer 13
    uzer 13 23 November 2013 00: 48
    +2
    It was necessary to immediately install GPS signal decryption units in Glonass satellites. Corrective stations are already available, the signal is transmitted from them. What else is needed? Our overseas partners do not have to be informed about this. Why honest people, I won’t save you!
  37. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 23 November 2013 06: 41
    +3
    Why did the common name GPS become a proper name (like GLONASS)? The following pattern is common on the Internet, and in other mass media: Russia-GLONASS, and USA-GPS. But GPS only means that it is a global positioning system. And that means: USA-GPS NAVSTAR; Russia-GPS GLONASS; EU is developing gps ,, Galileo ,,; China is dreaming of its gps. So do not confuse the plug with the bottle.
    1. dimon-media
      dimon-media 27 November 2013 10: 02
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      laughing Yeah. And one can hear it funny then: - when people want to print a copy on a photocopier, then they say- "UNLOCKED", "UNDERSTANDED", etc. XEROX is not the device itself, it is such a company that produces it. And the device itself is called (briefly) copier. Or a copy machine. It’s the same as when filming on a Panasonic camera, talking at the same time I DANGE YOU or DANCE YOU.
  38. slovak007
    slovak007 25 November 2013 21: 58
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    Oh, if it had not been destroyed research vessels such as Acad. S.P. Korolev. In general, then no one would ask anything from anyone. In neutral waters off the coast of the United States from different points would make a correction, they would not even recognize.
  39. Asan Ata
    Asan Ata 26 November 2013 09: 17
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    You can safely place in the territory of embassies and consulates. Without straining. drinks
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  41. Jessika
    Jessika 26 November 2013 19: 51
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  42. Jessika
    Jessika 26 November 2013 19: 51
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    It's not scary to kick.
    Visited me thought to find on
    this forum Countrymen. I myself will be from St. Petersburg. Who else from St. Petersburg, add! I will throw off the contacts later.
  43. Jessika
    Jessika 26 November 2013 19: 52
    0
    It's not scary to kick.
    Visited me thought to find on
    this forum Countrymen. I myself will be from St. Petersburg. Who else from St. Petersburg, add! I will throw off the contacts later.
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  48. postman
    postman 27 November 2013 13: 49
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    Written (in the article), within the meaning.
    Ours want GLONASS stationsbelonged (and controlled by US)
    1. What reasonable state (which is not a bloc-NATO) WILL ALLOW LOCATION OF GROUND STATIONS (GLONASS or GPS, not important)foreign state (owned and controlled by a foreign state) receiving / emitting EM waves and crammed with modern electronic equipment on OUR TERRITORY?
    example: network permanent base groundGLONASS stations on the territory of the Novosibirsk region in the Russian Federation.

    Currently there are 19 stations. Each of them is equipped with a satellite receiver, antenna and equipment for entering the high-speed communication channel. Reference stations are located in the regional centers of the Novosibirsk region at a distance of 42 to 80 km from one another. The equipment of the stations operates in automatic mode.
    The computer center collects, mathematically processes, analyzes and archives information coming from base stations and from consumers of information, sends data packets to users and monitors the operation of reference stations. The computing center is equipped with hardware and software for organizing the computing process, as well as means of communication with users of the system.


    So it is in RUSSIA !! And now the same henna RUSSIAN stations in Washington State for example?




    2. Ground-based differential correction system (GBAS - ground-based regional augmentation system) and Ground-based regional differential correction system (GRAS - ground-based regional augmentation system)
    There were and are. QUESTION: who owns and who controls?


    3. But ours (RF) agreed to this:
    in Russia for a long time There are 19 stations of the American GPS system.
    And to whom do they belong? RUSSIA!
    4. Ukrainians are the same:
    There are 12 GPS stations which belong to the Ukrainian Center for Definition Earth rotation parameters (opened in 1998 at the Main Astronomical Observatory of NASU and is now part of the State Geodetic Network of Ukraine).
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    Goldboy 27 November 2013 22: 05
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  50. and she
    and she 27 November 2013 23: 24
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    Recently, Dmitry Rogozin asked a question - on what grounds do GPS stations work for us. And added a few more - who services them, who they belong to and who gave permission for their installation. None of the competent comrades found answers. They will understand.
    And prepare the answers. And Rogozin, and anxious American senators.