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Hold can not be destroyed

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Again there was a theme "take demons alive". Like, it is not necessary to destroy the poor terrorists, you need to detain and judge. It would, of course, be nice. Yes, only we have our humane law does not allow this, strange as it sounds. Here is the situation. The terrorist takes refuge in the house of the accomplice and does not appear outside the nose. That is, it is necessary to delay it in the house. Well, OK. So we blocked the house, put off the cordon and offered to surrender. In response, silence. What to do next? Here we have done everything that the law requires: the operas through the loudspeaker announced that, we are law enforcement officers, offered to surrender and warned about the readiness to apply weapon. The terrorist is silent. Went inspection team. The thug opened fire. The inspection team moved away, regrouped, the assault group went. There is a shootout, the criminal gets a bullet in the bad head and finita la comedy.


What do sofa experts offer? Wait until he runs out of ammo. This offer especially delivers its stupidity. Because the criminal is shooting not in the air, but in us. In order for his cartridges to run out, someone must run in front of him as a target. Oops! I put one in, went next to lure the patrons from a terrorist. People are giving birth to new people, and the terrorist must be brought to justice, right? Or, for example, it is recommended to break into the house quickly with shouts of "Everyone to lie down! Bitch, I said to lie down!" This, of course, is a very tempting thought, but suddenly, at the stage of a secret creeping over the fence, is the master of the house a gun? He thinks that the criminals and how zhahnet doublet. But even if everything is fine, we burst into such a beautiful house, and he sleeps in the bomber belt. Babakh and all. The couch expert will smugly paw the belly and it is important to say - they do not know how to work, fuckers.

What does the law require? “A police officer, before using physical force, special means or firearms, is obliged to inform the persons in respect of whom it is intended to use physical force, special means or firearms, that he is a police officer, to warn them of his intention and give them the opportunity and time to fulfill the legal requirements of a police officer. " We warned? Warned. Have you had time? Provided. One may dance around the house as much as possible, play the harmonica, and shout "Kys-Kys-Kys", it will not crawl out. It knows that we didn’t come to take it for a massage. From the couch, of course, it all looks like a beautiful picture, but I’m sure that the couch expert would quickly lose humanistic ideals if they started throwing hatabs at him.

Those who hope to solve the problem of terrorism in beautiful and pretentious words are in the clouds. Terrorists understand only well-defined arguments showing that they are wrong. For example, such:

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  1. patriot2
    patriot2 21 November 2013 08: 34 New
    69
    And so in Russia there are few guys (Afghanistan, Chechnya, etc.), and the goal of the terrorist is to kill as many people as possible. Why take them alive, substituting for luring our guys !?
    "Soak" where they were surrounded - the terrorist is not a man, but a rabid beast!
    1. domokl
      domokl 21 November 2013 09: 04 New
      37
      We have enough guys. The conversation is not about the lack of soldiers. The problem is much deeper. I understand the author very well. Tales that you can persuade a suicide bomber to surrender, alas, are good for a movie. In real life, everyone understands perfectly well that they will not part with the world. A suicide bomber will die, and wants to go more than one ..
      Therefore, stripping must be done using a proven method — a good terrorist — a dead terrorist.
      1. the polar
        the polar 21 November 2013 09: 40 New
        -13 qualifying.
        Quote: domokl

        Therefore, stripping must be done using a proven method — a good terrorist — a dead terrorist.

        Talk nonsense. The targeted destruction of terrorists is nothing but the most effective method of destroying the traces leading to the organizers and financiers of terrorism.
        So someone is profitable at the very top.
        The fact is that before imposing a terrorist in a hole, he is first "identified with operational measures as involved in terrorism, and then for a long time the operational staff" leads "him through the settlement, calculating connections. So there are plenty of opportunities to take the terrorist alive. he is purposefully given the opportunity to go into a hole where he has a warehouse of weapons and then they begin to stormed them demonstratively, with the obligatory shooting of colorful shots. The main task is not to be taken alive.

        Who needs such a "fight against terrorism" and why?
        1. domokl
          domokl 21 November 2013 10: 53 New
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          Quote: Polar
          Talk nonsense. The targeted destruction of terrorists is nothing but the most effective method of destroying the traces leading to the organizers and financiers of terrorism.

          Sorry, but you wrote the bullshit, not me ... What are the sources of funding? What information? It's about the militants who have taken specific actions and decided not to give up ... Do you really think that the Special Forces is just thinking how to flunk the terrorist? If there is evidence that in the composition of the blocked there is at least someone who may be of interest as a source of information, then the group receives an order -Take alive ... This is probably the worst order for SpN. It means die yourself, and take this reptile alive. And they die, believe me.
          1. AVV
            AVV 22 November 2013 00: 28 New
            +6
            To customize the sun and in case of refusal to give up, to etch with a hot iron, there is no negotiation with this scum for a long time, one proposal is enough for them !!!
          2. abdrah
            abdrah 22 November 2013 04: 10 New
            +4
            I’m not an expert in this topic, but when I receive an order to take alive, you can block a room, an object, even a place and fit a fuel truck with some poison, for example, Nord-Ost. Even if one of the subjects of influence dies, then another mujahideen science gurus and paradise are not supposed to eat poisoned poison. And since such an attitude shines, there will be fewer idiots willing and you should not risk your guys unjustifiably.
          3. the polar
            the polar 22 November 2013 16: 44 New
            +1
            Quote: domokl
            This is probably the worst order for Spn. It means die yourself, and take this reptile alive. And they die, believe me.

            You watched the militants on TV.
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 22 November 2013 16: 52 New
              +3
              Quote: Polar
              You watched the militants on TV.

              This is what you are now saying to the airborne regiment who fought in Chechnya !!! So you revised the militants !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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          5. Alex Danilov
            Alex Danilov 26 November 2013 17: 47 New
            0
            Yes, they confuse the order to take him alive, in order to find out something, with the order to surrender voluntarily to the terrorist killer while preserving his life even when he surrenders.
        2. ultra
          ultra 21 November 2013 15: 11 New
          +7
          Quote: Polar
          as the most effective method of destroying traces leading to the organizers and financiers of terrorism.

          An intelligence network is needed for these purposes! It is precisely this that helps prevent terrorist attacks.
          1. the polar
            the polar 22 November 2013 16: 51 New
            +1
            Quote: ultra
            Quote: Polar
            as the most effective method of destroying traces leading to the organizers and financiers of terrorism.

            An intelligence network is needed for these purposes! It is precisely this that helps prevent terrorist attacks.

            That's right. And she is. Otherwise, who surrenders the militants and their burrows. But instead of the operational development and subsequent arrest, a show-presentation is arranged, with assaults and victims.
            We need militants captured alive for their intense gutting all the information about the bandit underground. And they are urgently destroyed.
            1. sasska
              sasska 23 November 2013 00: 01 New
              +2
              not so simple. an ordinary fighter usually does not know anything, and his connections are "led" by the opera, and not by the wolfhounds.

              IMHO, no more.
        3. dark_65
          dark_65 21 November 2013 17: 40 New
          +6
          he is right. he is right, and there are minuses to him from misunderstanding, it is important to understand who, whom, how many, and why.
          But this will come up .....
        4. mole
          mole 21 November 2013 17: 45 New
          14
          You talk nonsense! Here's the answer:
          What do sofa experts offer? Wait until he runs out of ammo. This sentence is particularly stupid.

          When at the point of permanent deployment you pass by the Board of Heroes of your unit, then NEVER in life - NOBODY wants to be there! Everything is based on expediency. What for a monkey, which was taught by learning to carry out the command "sit" - take it alive? A monkey is not a leader! As from a goat - milk! This proposal sounds the same as - Let's work for free - let's live in mutual understanding, etc. The easiest way to criticize. But experts are not cannon fodder! I would propose to act as cannon fodder for human rights defenders of different stripes (like KMB for conscripts, but in real conditions) so that the words LIFE and RIGHTS understand WHAT they mean! So let them run as targets. Ran twice in the shooting sector, get the badge "RIGHTS DEFENDER II class". I wonder how many "MASTER" s of human rights protection have we had in the country !?
          PS In all interviews - to indicate what class the "specialist" spewed out a statement about the infringement of someone's rights!
        5. KCC
          KCC 21 November 2013 18: 56 New
          0
          You yourself are fighting with a sofa and a pillow. You have internal contradictions, if they calculated Terrorst, then everything else will be calculated, and he’s cannon fodder, the dog’s dog death.
          1. mole
            mole 23 July 2014 00: 36 New
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            Dog - DOG death. Please read my post more carefully. They started shooting - it means - to rush. And then I went to the address, but is it an explosion or shooting? Why lay the body? Moreover, the soldier who was trained for more than one day and invested more than one ruble in training. So I’m not fighting with PILLOWS!
        6. Woolfy
          Woolfy 22 November 2013 07: 57 New
          0
          What do you suggest?
      2. Asgard
        Asgard 21 November 2013 09: 43 New
        -25 qualifying.
        I didn’t put the minus article, but it deserves it)))
        What do you think, why are special forces created ????
        For the killings? For terror? To violate the LAW?
        Why they are equipped with special equipment, taught methods of counteraction, especially for them, in the construction of buildings, vehicles, utility networks, design features are laid that allow you to act suddenly and unexpectedly)))
        Then what is the need to kill when terrorists have NO HOSTAGES .....
        There is a set of measures to neutralize the seized fighters, flash grenades, chemical spray guns, special equipment (thermal imagers, Doppler devices, digital endoscopes, devices for unauthorized data collection, etc.))) + this is an advantage in maneuvering and layered ground control (assault group, sniper, combat guard))

        The fact that so-called anti-terror unitsthis is KILLING citizens. for which no guilt has been proven.

        The capture of militants recalls the Battle of Stalingrad))))
        Why did people learn, equipped with equipment and special equipment ????
        That the investigators have no questions? All circumstances are known to the investigation ???
        The tasks of military specialists are different, to be saboteurs themselves and to catch saboteurs, taking information ...
        So the article is kitchen ranting and incompetence ....
        It’s regrettable that many comments support the author’s point of view (but this will not affect you and terrorism will not appear in your region)) when they kill your brother, acquaintance (who was known from childhood)) ANNOUNCING A TERRORIST.

        And putting the pluses or minuses, YOURSELF GIVED THE RIGHT TO KILL YOURSELF.
        Think about (((((It is regrettable to write this, but you are not sacrificial animals.
        1. atalef
          atalef 21 November 2013 09: 52 New
          12
          Then what is the need to kill when terrorists have NO HOSTAGES .....
          To neutralize the seized fighters, there is a set of measures, stun grenades, chemical spray guns, special equipment (thermal imagers, Doppler devices, digital endoscopes, devices for unauthorized removal of information, etc.))) + this is an advantage

          Of course, if he was intercepted and there are no hostages around, you can try to persuade him and if he realizes that he will not take anyone with a mission of failure and into a different world with himself, then there might still be some sense, but if he decided to die and just go on a storm, special forces what to do? Run away from him or what?
          1. sasska
            sasska 21 November 2013 13: 52 New
            +8
            With wolves, there is no other way to make the world than to take off their skin.

            From the fable “The Wolf in the Kennel” (1812) by Krylov
        2. George
          George 21 November 2013 10: 32 New
          44
          I do not agree with you Vladimir.
          In the evening, the head of the operational headquarters brought a plump man of short stature to the detachment and said:
          - Will lead the upcoming operation. All orders to comply implicitly.
          And left. The fighters looked with interest at the new leader. He realized that some words were expected from him, therefore, clearing his throat, he said:
          “I'm not really a military man.” But the national anti-terrorism committee entrusted me with this responsible mission to detain the alleged terrorist ...
          “Wait, dear,” one of the fighters interrupted, “if you are not a military man, then who are you at all?”
          The new leader adjusted his glasses and replied embarrassedly:
          - The representative of civil society, I ...
          - What?
          - Well, I'm a blogger, actually. But my thoughts on how to carry out the detention of terrorists were recognized as valuable and I was invited to take part and head myself, so to speak ...
          “I see,” said the fighter and cursed obscenely, driving the new leader into the paint.
          - Well, what, senior, command, - another fighter threw a gloom.
          - In terms of? - the blogger was confused.
          - What time do we start?
          “Well, let's do something ... at dawn.” Five hours.
          - What do we take?
          - Well, you need to take food, water, of course ...
          - You do not understand, dear. We are talking about weapons ...
          - Ah, weapons ... Yes, weapons should be ... Take more gas grenades. Do you have a robot?
          - What? - fighters looked in amazement at their new leader.
          - Well, the idea is that we are throwing gas grenades at the house ...
          - There is a big house - 12 rooms.
          - Well, that's what I say - more gas grenades are needed. And here we throw it there with gas grenades ...
          - And the family?
          - What family? - the blogger did not understand.
          - If children die from gas, then what?
          - Mmmm ... We must evacuate the family, then.
          - Yes? How?
          - Well, somehow, we’ll announce by speakerphone so that they leave, they will come out, offer to surrender, if he refuses, we throw gas grenades, then we launch the robot ...
          - Epta, guys, what is he sculpting? What kind of robot? - one of the fighters got angry.
          “Well, do you have any robot?”
          - We don’t have explosions.
          - Who is this?
          - Explosion engineering.
          - Well, fine, we’ll take from them. We start the robot, it neutralizes it, we go in and neutralize ... in the sense, we put handcuffs on. All clear?
          - The robot will not be able to render a living person harmless. It is not intended for this.
          - Are there any other robots?
          - No.
          - It's a pity. Well, okay, we’ll come up with something on the spot.
          - In addition to grenades, what else do we take?
          - Nothing else. God forbid, kill. We will try to take him alive.
          - And if he shoots?
          - Well ... we will bombard him with gas grenades. All clear?
          “That's it,” said one of the fighters, after which he gave a chubby man a savory bream.
          He turned pale and pressed against the wall:
          - What for?
          - For your brilliant plan. Tomorrow you will go throwing grenades at the windows yourself and you will climb under the bullets. And we will cover you. Gas grenades.

          An hour later, the blogger in the waiting room of the railway station opened the tablet and made a note: "Cops. And in general, they brought the country! This is what I am telling you as an expert. There are no pathetic robots, and they disrupted the special operation.

          The day before yesterday, SAM posted.
          1. Same lech
            Same lech 21 November 2013 12: 11 New
            14
            Let me remind distinguished forum users the story of the ULMAN reconnaissance group - and so the head of the operation, who set the task of the reconnaissance group, Colonel PLOTNIKOV (former military economist).
            This man stupidly organized an operation to seize HOTTAB and managed to substitute our guys by giving them a criminal order for which they received a prison term. (He himself came out of the water dry)
          2. PSih2097
            PSih2097 21 November 2013 21: 35 New
            0
            Quote: GEORGE
            The day before yesterday, SAM posted.

            +1, standings ... for a long time did not laugh ... good
            1. Dmitriy1975
              Dmitriy1975 21 November 2013 22: 54 New
              +3
              There’s not much funny, I’m already retired, but you just can’t imagine how many idiots are in leadership positions, they’ll give you the wrong coordinates for the task, then they’ll hide the cards ... until the last, then it’s just a thief, but how many on the team jacket positions, this is some kind.
              1. Asgard
                Asgard 21 November 2013 23: 39 New
                +3
                Well, what do you want ???
                The trend however, -mani-most importantly,
                here in the service "comrades" from the Serdyukov army (NOT RUSSIAN)))
                sing good songs discrediting the Army
                And so in everything (as it is not regrettable to write)))
                And in the fight against terrorism, in general strangeness, strangeness ....


                [b] It is disgusting to look at IT ((([/ bImbecilli ....
                1. Hudo
                  Hudo 22 November 2013 00: 28 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Asgard
                  here in the service "comrades" from the Serdyukov army (NOT RUSSIAN)))
                  sing good songs discrediting the Army

                  Try how! Apparently they pay no less well for discrediting the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation than for pouring mud on them. Geeks.
                2. Nikaviz
                  Nikaviz 26 November 2013 13: 31 New
                  +1
                  AND THIS...!!!??? "Russian soldier ..." And a little more, and pulls the blue ...
                3. Reserve buildbat
                  Reserve buildbat 26 November 2013 15: 03 New
                  +2
                  These would be taken down, but to our battalion ... Yes, to my department ... all that’s in the video. And the mummers, and leading ...
        3. domokl
          domokl 21 November 2013 11: 00 New
          10
          Quote: Asgard
          Then what is the need to kill when terrorists have NO HOSTAGES ...

          Some reasoning is really an expert, as the author says. Have you seen a movie about our hero soldiers? When the wounded man blows himself up and a bunch of enemies with a grenade? Do you really think that this is possible only with us? Believe me. Among suicide fanatics like this .
          And about the citizens, the person who kills the defenseless outside the law. And this norm must be introduced in the Criminal Code. What were the faults of the boys and girls-students who died in the Volgograd bus?
          A suicide bomber is called a suicide bomber because he, as once the Japanese comicadze, is no longer human. He is already in heaven and death is not a punishment for him, but a welcome transition to paradise.
        4. Ezhaak
          Ezhaak 21 November 2013 11: 46 New
          +5
          Quote: Asgard
          they teach methods of counteraction, especially for them, in the construction of buildings, vehicles, engineering networks - design features are laid that allow you to act suddenly and unexpectedly

          Is it in private Caucasian houses? You, dear, do not imagine that you thought something wrong? laughing
          1. fennekRUS
            fennekRUS 21 November 2013 21: 33 New
            +1
            I, as a builder, wanted to ask the same thing
          2. PSih2097
            PSih2097 21 November 2013 21: 39 New
            +1
            Quote: Hedgehog
            Quote: Asgard
            they teach methods of counteraction, especially for them, in the construction of buildings, vehicles, engineering networks - design features are laid that allow you to act suddenly and unexpectedly

            Is it in private Caucasian houses? You, dear, do not imagine that you thought something wrong? laughing

            As a person who served in engineering intelligence, I believe that the best constructive feature that allows you to act suddenly and unexpectedly is a blank fence around DOMINA and jamming of all communications, not counting the cordon of meters so for 200 - 300 ...
        5. INVESTOR
          INVESTOR 21 November 2013 12: 04 New
          +9
          They piss the pawn, who take larger ones alive. Everything is logical, than then spend tons of paper money on state. lawyers to these geeks .. and they still will explain to the journalists about the holy war .. will contain them at public expense ... why ??
          1. PSih2097
            PSih2097 21 November 2013 21: 41 New
            +3
            Quote: INVESTOR
            who take larger live.

            as a rule, no, they urinate on the spot, glad was an exception, because there was an order for him from Moscow (indicative, and he did not know anything interesting) ... Moreover, the most interesting thing was to destroy the rest from the top (Basayev, one-armed Arab and the rest, especially touched by lively zakay in London) ...
          2. Basarev
            Basarev 26 November 2013 11: 16 New
            -1
            Yes, indiscriminately, everyone needs to be wet - at least a trifle, at least a night.
        6. AlNikolaich
          AlNikolaich 21 November 2013 12: 19 New
          +5
          Quote: Asgard
          And putting the pluses or minuses, YOU GAVE YOURSELF THE RIGHT TO KILL YOURSELF

          Speak for yourself! If you gave someone the right to kill yourself, please ...
          You write that specials have everything for working without blood. And this is not entirely true. He himself worked in the structure of the Ministry of Internal Affairs for 11 years. I saw and heard a lot from specialists. Therefore, do not argue lying on the couch! People receive an order, develop an operation, and obviously do not do it! And what they should do, and how to act, it is up to the leadership and them to decide on the basis of circumstances!
          Nothing to teach them! Help financially!
        7. largus886
          largus886 21 November 2013 13: 01 New
          +9
          As our brigade commander said: "The first shot at the infantry from the village means 15 minutes of artillery battalion fire at the village," so here, too, a shot from home by a Bumblebee into the house!
          1. PSih2097
            PSih2097 21 November 2013 21: 45 New
            +2
            Quote: largus886
            As our brigade commander said: "The first shot at the infantry from the village means 15 minutes of artillery battalion fire at the village," so here, too, a shot from home by a Bumblebee into the house!

            This is what distinguishes the army (Armed Forces) from VV, VV are obliged to protect (separate) ordinary citizens from bandits, but how it should be done in the charter is not written ...
        8. sancho
          sancho 21 November 2013 13: 18 New
          10
          Quote: Asgard
          What so-called anti-terror units are doing right now is KILLING citizens. for which no guilt has been proven.


          Asgard! Read below at Georges! Your writing is direct from the text of this Joke. Very sorry.

          Vooooooobstvenno when the gunman overlaid, information from him as a black sheep, sheepskin. The information is valuable, not from the ordinary, but from the leader. And, the leader (shepherd) is valuable, but not the sheep. And if a sheep is already in the pen, then what can we expect from her? Shootout or bang! What for? Victims?
          And, for the necessary information there is - A G E N T U R A! Is the word familiar?
          And the better our "brains" work, the higher the effectiveness of counterterrorism.
          And, the sheep caught still for life will need to be fed, watered, washed, laid to sleep, and guarded! What kind of FIG?
          1. Basarev
            Basarev 26 November 2013 11: 19 New
            -1
            Why should we even stand on ceremony with this rabble? A volley of shots to the head - and that's all!
        9. Aleks tv
          Aleks tv 21 November 2013 14: 15 New
          12
          Quote: Asgard
          It’s regrettable that many comments support the author’s point of view (but this will not affect you and terrorism will not appear in your region)) when they kill your brother, acquaintance (who was known from childhood)) ANNOUNCING A TERRORIST.

          Most often, a crazy bullet touches the so-called onlookers, of whom there is an unlimited amount (with fotiks) - this is a new problem, before this was not ...
          ................................................................

          And about the life of a terrorist (not yet proven by the court):

          Vladimir, I read your posts with pleasure, but here I have to disagree.

          The problem of couch experts really exists. Moreover, they, through "public opinion" and all sorts of committees there, are putting pressure on organizational issues of planning special operations.
          This does not cause anything but a mat for specialists.
          ... approached the house, identified themselves, warned of intentions, offered to do without shooting ...
          ALL, that's enough. Then begins the "work" to destroy the enemy. “Not a terrorist” and another innocent resident of 1000 will be able to go out and avoid bloodshed. Humanism "further" is harmful in all respects.
          Do not forget that specialists also have the right to life, and they also have families and children.

          Hard modestly kept silent about yet another problem, this is when the so-called "guest performers" are allowed to the leadership. There are those who come to the unit during a business trip (most often instead of an officer who is on planned leave or in a hospital). Adequate guest performer will silently keep silent the entire business trip in a rag, upon completion of it she will receive an entry in a personal file about participation in the hostilities, draw a medal for herself and go further up the career ladder.
          And there are still very “smart” guest-goers - they begin to command ... By the way, it is they who most often listen to sofa experts, they need this for further self-promotion - here, they say, as I listen to public opinion, love me.

          There are two laws at “work”:
          - Fulfill the order.
          - Save personnel.

          Все.
          Which one comes first, it depends on the task itself.
          A) If the unit keeps the flank, and the Czechs are torn, the fulfillment of the order is definitely in the first place, otherwise those who trust in you may die.
          B) If you just comb through the forest plantations or take an “object”, then the life safety of the fighters is in the first place, and the issue of fulfilling the order is thoughtfully decided.

          And what about a bearded man? ...................................
          Emu offered to lay down their arms and surrender? Offered. Everything. Then he has no problems. Let not be offended by YOUR decisions. I have my own life and the lives of my guys are closer than his life.
          Everything is simple and without disrespect.

          I’m away from it, Vladimir.
          This is just my opinion, but I will not change it.
          With respect:
          Alex.
          1. Dmitriy1975
            Dmitriy1975 21 November 2013 22: 56 New
            +2
            You forgot one more point - Save entrusted property, weapons and equipment
        10. Vorchun
          Vorchun 21 November 2013 14: 17 New
          +4
          There is a rule - if the enemy does not surrender, they will destroy him.
          1. alone
            alone 21 November 2013 21: 56 New
            +2
            Quote: Vorchun
            There is a rule - if the enemy does not surrender, they will destroy him.


            North Caucasian jihadist militants rarely surrender. If they are blocked, they fight to the end. And negotiations with them are 99% useless. These people are fanatics. It’s easier to blow yourself up. Than answer the investigator’s questions.
        11. Asgard
          Asgard 21 November 2013 15: 55 New
          +4
          Yes, guys, I thought that I would type in the minuses, because I expressed my opinion against "Mochilov in the toilet", but I didn't think that there would be so many)))))

          I served in Soviet times and Yeltsin, we were still tasked with taking alive (which we did)) sometimes they really crippled (I was 22 and I was a moron))) Well, to justify it, I’ll say that I saw the intestines of Russian People wound on fence.....
          To take him alive in the fortified basement, the Light-noise "Zarya" grenade helped, cans of paint and RGD-5 thrown there, cylinders with "bird cherry" tied with a tourniquet from the first-aid kit, cans of boiled gasoline ...
          Yes, not by the Geneva Convention, but the living, the trackers had the opportunity to interrogate ... blind-deaf-burned))) This saved the lives of people ....
          Wait, a dull execution from armored personnel carriers and grenade launchers .... By the orders of the "couch commanders", only such remained in the reform army of "Serdyukov"
          This is not clarification of the truth, it is stupid mochilovo, and the militants in response kill operative policemen, such executions ONLY RECRUIT NEW Militants ....
          I was in Gudermes two years ago, there is in power ...... and cool businessmen on stolen wheelbarrows are entirely militants .....
          There, at the head of the Republic there is a FIGHT IN TRICKS (Ramzanchik)) who has already destroyed the teip of the Yamadayevs, Gantemirovs, .......
          In this way, declaring a terrorist ....
          I’m special, and tomorrow they will announce the Apollo, Dagestani333, Yekishev Murat-terrorists-that We will run to kill (without understanding) to shoot at People ...
          You see a lot of justice around ??????
          How do the authorities behave appropriately ???????
          Do you agree with everything they do ??????

          If you answer "yes", then you will not survive, the laws of karma will cover you, with your wishes for death))))
          It is necessary to understand everything, even following the order-THINK !!!!
          I urge you not to forgive, I don’t have contact with the militants, I communicate with you and write to you, BECAUSE YOU BEGIN ALREADY TO THINK !!!!!

          And it refers to the surrounding World as a Human, there are "ENEMIES" invented ...

          There is a good proverb. I adhere to her: -
          Answer Good with Good, and evil with justice,
          Think itishkina life)))))
          I’m trying not to set the cons, I mined in due time))))
          1. smersh70
            smersh70 21 November 2013 16: 24 New
            0
            Quote: Asgard
            Appolon, Dagestan333, Ekisheva Murat

            why should they be soaked .... wassat they didn’t do anything ..... fellow
            1. alone
              alone 21 November 2013 21: 59 New
              +2
              Quote: smersh70
              why soak them .... they didn’t do anything .....

              what we are lucky. we are not on this list laughing wassat
          2. domokl
            domokl 21 November 2013 17: 37 New
            +5
            Quote: Asgard
            There is a good proverb. I adhere to her: -
            Answer Good with Good, and evil with justice,

            The fact of the matter is probably that you were a boy Vladimir at that time ... I, as a commander, must complete the task and save the fighters. I learned this after the first trip with zinc to the parents of my officer ... It was not my mother who struck me. I was struck by the look of my father-You, the commander, are alive. And your soldier is there ... you, not the commander ... And this is not with words, it is with your eyes, with one look ...
            This is a cross for life. And I carry it ... But, the order must be executed and the soldier must be alive ...
            1. Aleks tv
              Aleks tv 21 November 2013 17: 56 New
              +3
              Quote: domokl
              the order must be executed and the fighter must be alive ...

              YES.

              The military in general are the first opponents of the war, but they are doing their job.
              And death superfluous no one ever wants anyone.
          3. ymNIK1970
            ymNIK1970 21 November 2013 17: 57 New
            +6
            I support. Tell the truth sir. We saw how 300 cops + armored personnel carriers + a group of SBUshnikov took three. Inanimate. From grenade launchers. Top down. 10 meters distance. Diligently so. Long. But still one left.
            1. 31231
              31231 21 November 2013 22: 47 New
              0
              We saw how 300 cops + armored personnel carriers + a group of SBU officers, took three. From grenade launchers. Top down. 10 meters distance. But still one left.


              And what is not 1000 cops and took only one?
              Maybe there was no armored personnel carrier at all, but a tank and they beat it from 5 meters?
              And maybe three have left? No, but why. One was, three were gone. wink
          4. Ugrumiy
            Ugrumiy 21 November 2013 22: 41 New
            +2
            Dear Asgard, resolve the question? Tell me, in what conditions did you use these means to capture (well, there is a private house, a barn in the field, etc.)? I’m just asking from a professional interest.
            1. Asgard
              Asgard 22 November 2013 00: 20 New
              +1
              Always in the villages or the city, once a tower in the mountains, they broke the entrance from the windward side (from a grenade launcher)), lit two tires from the Tractor (lying nearby)) We smoked the tower)) After three hours, we all finished ...
              There were no losses from our side, three were liquidated, the rest surrendered ...
              During interrogations, they sang like "nightingales", they were later eliminated (there was a war)) but they gave interesting tactical information ...
              Happily eliminated the Russian guy, I completely admit that there he somehow sided with the bandit underground (20 years, an unwise person yet))
              But the terrorist attack in Volgograd is definitely not involved.
              The level of organization and the efficiency of media coverage is prohibitive))))
              Here is a read-http: //gorojanin-iz-b.livejournal.com/67184.html? Thread = 68898
              40 # t68898
              40
        12. biznaw
          biznaw 21 November 2013 15: 57 New
          +3
          There are vague suspicions that naive terrorists are not always offered to surrender, but are immediately beaten by Bumblebee. You can also understand the fighters risk their lives, and the scammers are laced with evidence and the court will justify or mitigate the punishment. Therefore, without a court they themselves pass a sentence.
          1. sasska
            sasska 23 November 2013 00: 07 New
            +1
            are reading it not true?
        13. Evgeny_Lev
          Evgeny_Lev 21 November 2013 16: 39 New
          -1
          oh wei.

          "sofa IksperD detected ..."
        14. varov14
          varov14 21 November 2013 16: 45 New
          0
          Wet and have no doubt, the population will not suffer.
        15. Basil123
          Basil123 21 November 2013 16: 51 New
          +3
          Chush, what is the point of risking people in the hope that the bandyuk in the crypt’s house does not have a gas mask? they give him a choice, he makes a decision .......... there and the road to this very alley to the bar !!!
        16. mole
          mole 21 November 2013 17: 55 New
          +3
          That the investigators have no questions? All circumstances are known to the investigation ???

          Brother, I respect You, but You yourself raised a question.
          Inquiries always have questions, but what decisions do the courts make? And for normal operas, by and large, information from "torpedoes" is of no value. And the fact that later a "torpedo" - will not receive adequate punishment - very GREAT! Given the humane nature of the court and the cunning of lawyers.
          When necessary - they will take under warm hands and squeeze out everything that is needed!
          Our whole life is a game!
      3. atalef
        atalef 21 November 2013 09: 49 New
        +9
        Quote: domokl
        We have enough guys. The conversation is not about the lack of soldiers. The problem is much deeper. I understand the author very well. Tales that you can persuade a suicide bomber to surrender, alas, are good for a movie. In real life, everyone understands perfectly well that they will not part with the world. A suicide bomber will die, and wants to go more than one ..
        Therefore, stripping must be done using a proven method — a good terrorist — a dead terrorist.

        It is impossible to persuade a suicide bomber to surrender, nor for this he became a suicide bomber, the only thing to intercept before he received the belt, after - only to kill, t. to, the whole concept is violated, he came to die and kill others --- what persuasion will work here?
        1. George
          George 21 November 2013 10: 23 New
          +1
          Quote: atalef
          What persuasion will work here?

          Alexander , hi
          I wanted to ask everything: did you happen to have practiced negotiations with a terrorist by his relatives or relatives?
          And if practiced, what are the results?
          1. atalef
            atalef 21 November 2013 11: 07 New
            +8
            Quote: GEORGE
            Quote: atalef
            What persuasion will work here?

            Alexander , hi
            I wanted to ask everything: did you happen to have practiced negotiations with a terrorist by his relatives or relatives?
            And if practiced, what are the results?

            As far as I know, no. When we are talking about suicide bombers, the only case when relatives were brought in for persuasion was when a group of terrorists barricaded themselves in the Church of the Nativity of Christ in Bethlehem and didn’t leave it in my opinion for about 7 months (though the hostages were not there and, for obvious reasons, Israel was not going to storm one of the holiest places for Christians, and in general it all ends much earlier than relatives are brought up, and it is forbidden by law to endanger strangers, even if they are relatives of terrorists
            1. George
              George 21 November 2013 11: 51 New
              +1
              Quote: atalef
              when a group of terrorists barricaded themselves at the Church of the Nativity of Christ in Bethlehem and did not leave it in my opinion 7

              How did it end?
              Quote: atalef
              and it’s forbidden by law to endanger strangers, even if they are relatives of terrorists

              D. Koretsky writes in his writings:
              The legal basis for such actions is article 39 of the Criminal Code of Russia, formulating the institution of emergency, allowing harm to third parties to eliminate a more serious danger that directly threatens the interests of the individual, society and the state!

              The law is approved, as they say, only there is no potency to apply what is. Of course, someone will say, they say, if some kind of reckless or stupefied decided to go to heaven (as it seems to him), then nothing will stop him, and relatives have nothing to do with it. But here it seems to me that the psychological effect itself is important, mom or dad will come, and they will start to persuade the son to quit this rotten business - to blow up people, and there the finger on the button will tremble ... Although there are examples:
              in Turkey, bandits seized the Avrasia ferry and put forward their demands. But instead of satisfying the demands, the police arrested their relatives. And the terrorists surrendered. No bloody massacre, no innocent victims.

              But if you have:
              Quote: atalef
              in general, everything ends much earlier than relatives are brought up

              Great merit of your specialists.
              1. atalef
                atalef 21 November 2013 12: 03 New
                +5
                1. They themselves went out and with the mediation of European human rights defenders were deported (in my opinion to Italy) without the right to return (more precisely, they can return, but only to prison)
                2. Not so long ago (5 years ago), two soldiers were given (in my year of prison) - they took a son to persuade a terrorist to get out of a barricaded house
                3. Everything is very difficult, the court constantly breaks in and prevents special forces from fulfilling their duties, someone (from justice) is making this career, and special forces need to adapt to all this.
                1. George
                  George 21 November 2013 12: 16 New
                  +1
                  Quote: atalef
                  1. They themselves went out and with the mediation of European human rights defenders were deported (in my opinion to Italy) without the right to return (more precisely, they can return, but only to prison)

                  And there were terrogyug at the hands of? If there were, then the flag is in the .... hands of these human rights activists.
                  Quote: atalef
                  2. Not so long ago (5 years ago), two soldiers were given (in my year of prison) - they took a son to persuade a terrorist to get out of a barricaded house

                  Two flags. (and in this case how did it end? for the terrorist?)
                  Quote: atalef
                  3. Everything is very difficult, the court constantly breaks in and prevents special forces from fulfilling their duties, someone (from justice) is making this career, and special forces need to adapt to all this.

                  I suspect that is why
                  Quote: atalef
                  in general, everything ends much earlier than relatives are brought up
                  1. atalef
                    atalef 21 November 2013 13: 51 New
                    +2
                    1. Well, in general, it was at the height of the second intifada, and they captured this church for one simple reason (by the way, the church is not in Israel, but in the Palestinian Authority). the leaders of Tanzim and Hamas (terrorist of the groups) barricaded themselves there and they practically caught them and that they would have climbed there, realizing that Israel would not storm the church, the only victims were Christian monks (devoured by this gang) and some of them received tambourine - for too much indignation - what type of Muslims do in one of the holiest churches of Christianity (I recall in the basement of this church there are nurseries where Jesus was born)
                    2. The bandyugan was taken out, without injuries, to the prison soldiers, fool
        2. domokl
          domokl 21 November 2013 11: 08 New
          +4
          Quote: atalef
          It’s impossible to persuade a suicide bomber, n

          I know ... The only agreement that works flawlessly is a bullet ... Or a grenade, if you are lucky enough to get close. That is why it pisses me off the coping, you have to take, use equipment and stuff ... what equipment? Always in the end under a suicide bomber will go a specific soldier or officer.
          1. the polar
            the polar 22 November 2013 17: 27 New
            +1
            Quote: domokl
            Quote: atalef
            It’s impossible to persuade a suicide bomber, n

            I know ... The only agreement that works flawlessly is a bullet ... Or a grenade, if you are lucky enough to get close. That is why it pisses me off the coping, you have to take, use equipment and stuff ... what equipment? Always in the end under a suicide bomber will go a specific soldier or officer.

            You would have to speak at rallies.
            You probably do not know that a "particular soldier or officer" is taking an oath, and that in case of an order it will go even under bullets. So there is nothing to moan like a turtle-dove on a grave about "poor soldiers and officers."

            The conversation is about the fact that in the process of operational development there is always an opportunity to take a defendant alive, "without noise and dust." But he deliberately, probably by order from above, is allowed to go into a hole where it is known about the presence of weapons, and then they begin to wet him from machine guns and grenade launchers.
            And the goal of such a policy of "combating terrorism" is clear and transparent.
        3. the polar
          the polar 22 November 2013 17: 15 New
          +2
          Quote: atalef
          Quote: domokl
          We have enough guys. The conversation is not about the lack of soldiers. The problem is much deeper. I understand the author very well. Tales that you can persuade a suicide bomber to surrender, alas, are good for a movie. In real life, everyone understands perfectly well that they will not part with the world. A suicide bomber will die, and wants to go more than one ..
          Therefore, stripping must be done using a proven method — a good terrorist — a dead terrorist.

          It is impossible to persuade a suicide bomber to surrender, nor for this he became a suicide bomber, the only thing to intercept before he received the belt, after - only to kill, t. to, the whole concept is violated, he came to die and kill others --- what persuasion will work here?

          And it never occurred to you why in the Caucasus people are so easily suicide bombers? In peacetime.
          After all, probably first you need to create some conditions, including in the social and public sphere, in order to bring a person to such a state.

          When in WWII Soviet fighters and partisans preferred death in battle rather than captivity or retreat, their inner attitude is more than understandable to a Russian. And what is driving the terrorists now? Just do not piz ... those about "Islam and zombie", these fables are suitable for people who are stupid from the dolboyaschik.
      4. INTER
        INTER 21 November 2013 10: 01 New
        +6
        Quote: domokl
        Therefore, stripping must be done using a proven method — a good terrorist — a dead terrorist.

        I agree with something, but not with something. There are many methods by which you can take them alive, gas for example, or detention when leaving the house is unexpected without tanks, cordons. Create a special group on the delay, on the basis of surprise. And how it happens, someone shoots for several hours from the Khrushchev and still shoots, people call this the circus and making money. And the living are needed to find the roots.
        1. domokl
          domokl 21 November 2013 11: 13 New
          +8
          Quote: INTER
          Create a special group on the delay, on the basis of surprise.

          The answer is simple, it’s flowing ... And it’s almost always flowing. A good commander hides any operation from everyone, even from higher commanders and staffs. Specialists fight not with the boys, but with perfectly trained militants who have more than one battle.
          And for the most part, these former people understand captivity, means life imprisonment. Therefore, they are not going to give up.
          1. INTER
            INTER 21 November 2013 14: 37 New
            0
            Quote: domokl
            A good commander hides any operation from everyone, even from higher commanders and staffs. Specialists are fighting not with the boys, but with perfectly trained militants who have more than one battle behind them.

            Not always the commanders are good, but I agree with the trained ones. But, then they go outside and do not always happen to someone. And you yourself know how to make money on this.
            1. domokl
              domokl 21 November 2013 15: 09 New
              +3
              Quote: INTER
              . But, then they go out into the street and do not always come with someone. And you know how to make money on it.

              I don’t know what they are making money ... but one of my captain Sokolov costs hundreds of these ... and it will cost hundreds ... There is an order, there is an algorithm for actions during the capture ... Nobody will violate it .. but if I performed everything, as it should be .. don’t blame me ... There won’t be any living. I certainly understand the author, he also knows what a friend is who suddenly left ... because of some sort of ...
        2. atalef
          atalef 21 November 2013 11: 43 New
          +3
          Quote: INTER
          Quote: domokl
          Therefore, stripping must be done using a proven method — a good terrorist — a dead terrorist.

          I agree with something, but not with something. There are many methods by which you can take them alive, gas for example, or detention when leaving the house is unexpected without tanks, cordons. Create a special group on the delay, on the basis of surprise. And how it happens, someone shoots for several hours from the Khrushchev and still shoots, people call this the circus and making money. And the living are needed to find the roots.

          The best thing is, at 3 a.m. when they are warm at home, but for this, intelligence, reconnaissance and informants (which also refers to reconnaissance), without this there will be no real struggle and there can be no
          1. the polar
            the polar 22 November 2013 17: 32 New
            +1
            Quote: atalef

            The best thing is, at 3 a.m. when they are warm at home, but for this, intelligence, reconnaissance and informants (which also refers to reconnaissance), without this there will be no real struggle and there can be no

            Yes, of course, everything is there, both operational development and informants. But someone at the very top really does not want to reveal the "roots of terrorism" in the Caucasus.
      5. bif
        bif 21 November 2013 21: 27 New
        +2
        Quote: domokl
        to persuade a suicide bomber

        This phrase ... is mistaken in the root, the suicide bomber is ALWAYS initially consciously going to death (read, for a terrorist attack, murder, etc.), persuading him is a waste of time and risk for his own ... Remember how many were in 90's and 00 terrorist acts, hostage-taking, murders of children, women, the elderly ... Now this is not in the Russian Federation, only because the Russian Federation does not negotiate with terrorists ...
        These people are going to do EVIL at the cost of their lives, only the ADEQUATE answer can stop them, you need to find a weak spot ..
        Interesting trends have been outlined - a law has been passed that introduces new rules in the fight against terrorists. Now the state will be able to bill the relatives and friends of the terrorist so that they compensate for the damage.
        The law also establishes the responsibility for training terrorists. A special article is introduced for leaders. The greatest resonance in society was caused by the norm proposing to compensate for the harm from the terrorist attack, including moral harm at the expense of the close relatives of the terrorist and other persons whose life, health and well-being are dear to him ...
        There was an interesting moment when the hospital in Budenovsk was captured and the bandits put a live shield in the windows of children, women, patients ... and killed our guys .., someone from the authorities suggested - make a living shield around the hospital from relatives of terrorists and hide behind them ... it was a good idea.
      6. Blackgrifon
        Blackgrifon 27 November 2013 20: 04 New
        0
        Quote: domokl
        a good terrorist is a dead terrorist


        Not just a good terrorist is a dead terrorist, but it is necessary that his relatives get what they deserve - at least ALL property of the first and second stage heirs should be confiscated in favor of the state.
    2. Max_Bauder
      Max_Bauder 21 November 2013 12: 12 New
      +6
      The author very nicely and correctly stated, "demons" must be destroyed alive, they are not needed nafui. A good bandit is a dead bandit.

      PySy. in the USA in the 19th century, they hanged everyone who not only killed but simply stole a horse. And if a bandit had a large gang, a group of civilian volunteers was created (the military did not bother with such trifles) for the grandmothers ready to join the ranks of the "rangers", they chased the bandits, found and safely shot them on the spot, even in the back, even sleeping. no moral reading to you. The FBIs also killed gangsters in the early 20s.
      There should be a short conversation with the bandits - in the language of the barrel.
    3. And Us Rat
      And Us Rat 21 November 2013 12: 25 New
      +5
      Quote: patriot2
      And so in Russia there are few guys (Afghanistan, Chechnya, etc.), and the goal of the terrorist is to kill as many people as possible. Why take them alive, substituting for luring our guys !?
      "Soak" where they were surrounded - the terrorist is not a man, but a rabid beast!


      1000


      1. Rustam009
        Rustam009 21 November 2013 12: 41 New
        -3
        Quote: And Us Rat


        "The most caring mothers" were born by the descendants of David, and they still give birth, shouting from around the corner of the speech. If only "they themselves do not get it", continuing the quiet, open genocide of the Arab world. As the saying goes "friendly fire", shoot each other, and we will quietly get our way. No offense said, but such is the reality!
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        2. And Us Rat
          And Us Rat 21 November 2013 15: 12 New
          +3
          Quote: Rustam09
          Quote: And Us Rat


          "The most caring mothers" were born by the descendants of David, and they still give birth, shouting from around the corner of the speech. If only "they themselves do not get it", continuing the quiet, open genocide of the Arab world. As the saying goes "friendly fire", shoot each other, and we will quietly get our way. No offense said, but such is the reality!

          1. Rustam009
            Rustam009 22 November 2013 10: 02 New
            +4
            [/ Quote]
            I agree, tomorrow Russia will have to fight them, including me, a Caucasian, but there is a huge BUT .... WHO IS STANDING FOR THEM? "YOUR RAIL" (international Zionism represented by Israel and the US Zionists)
    4. sasska
      sasska 21 November 2013 13: 33 New
      +2
      while there will be "rituals" about Tipo-Human-Rights around terrorists - acts will continue.
      No, I do not propose to destroy terrorists and hostages with thermobaric shells so that there is no reason to seize these hostages in the future.
      captured must be saved, but there should be no mercy to the invaders. at all.
      and then let all sorts of Latynins and other left-wing human rights activists give herin a shout about the violation of human rights. the terrorist is not a man.

      IMHO, no more.
    5. George
      George 21 November 2013 13: 54 New
      +4
      I apologize for the intrusion, but read the article by the author of "The Jackals' Whistle" for today.
      I noticed one amazing thing. The more we oppress the Imarats, the louder are the cries that terrorism cannot be defeated by force. Like, we are fighting the consequences, but in fact we need systematic work, we need to convince, blah blah blah ... But nothing can be defeated by any methods. No matter how much you treat it, there will be diseases, no matter how much you put criminals in jail, it will still not be possible to eradicate crime completely ... The phrases that "the siloviki provoke terrorism with their tough methods of work" are touching. All this is bullshit and demagoguery. I do not argue that Salafism, aka Wahhabism, is just one of many trends in Islam (despite the fact that there should be no trends in Islam at all, which is clearly stated in the Koran). And I agree that it would be nice if these directions were arguing among themselves about who has Islam more correct in the course of any theological conferences. So civilized - we would get together, discuss, come to some opinion.


      Yes, only Wahhabism differs from all other areas of Islam in that its adherents will win the dispute in any case. Moreover, most often the decisive argument will be the killing of the opponent. Whether you are at least thrice a Nobel laureate, but in the dark gateway, your scientific concept will lose the primitive life position of a gopnik with a butterfly knife.

      Read more at http://hardingush.livejournal.com/124758.html
  2. Dazdranagon
    Dazdranagon 21 November 2013 08: 35 New
    15
    Yes, bring down the reptiles! They are unlikely to be corrected behind bars. And even better - to drive a couple of pigs to the place of the intended shelter ... "Holy war ?! Well, we will bury you in the skin!" hi
    1. max702
      max702 21 November 2013 11: 30 New
      +5
      I agree ! Humanism is a synonym for Idiocy!
      1. Hauser
        Hauser 21 November 2013 12: 53 New
        +3
        Once upon a time I watched a chronicle of the end of the 40s, when our special services of UPAvtsev drove in Ukraine. I remember how cameramen filmed the corpses of dead militants. Homemade crutches were substituted and put to the wall of the hut. And then close-close shot the faces of the corpses. They stand alive, only dead. I understand that this newsreel was shown in cinemas before films, since there were no televisions then. Honestly, I felt a little creepy, although many years have passed, this moment has struck my memory. Maybe it’s worth reviving this practice, otherwise it’s not scary to anyone. So many militants were killed, so many military men were killed, well, maybe there are still shots with a blazing house, and that’s all. Ordinary.
        1. cumastra1
          cumastra1 21 November 2013 13: 07 New
          +3
          it is an instrument of psychological warfare. Very effective, but in our society saturated with human rights defenders, alas, impossible. But it would be very useful to show good fighters (i.e. dead) on TV, or in news sites.
        2. cumastra1
          cumastra1 21 November 2013 13: 07 New
          0
          it is an instrument of psychological warfare. Very effective, but in our society saturated with human rights defenders, alas, impossible. But it would be very useful to show good fighters (i.e. dead) on TV, or in news sites.
    2. sasska
      sasska 21 November 2013 14: 04 New
      +2

      American combat units that are eliminating Islamic terrorists will receive new ammunition in the near future. South Fork Industries has begun producing paint-coated bullets using pork. Thus, the Pentagon hopes to prevent terrorists from going to heaven through jihad. According to the intention of the producers, pork is considered forbidden in Islam. If such a bullet kills an extremist, his body will be "desecrated" and the path to heaven is closed.


      the terrorist will die dead and - no gurus in paradise and eternal life good
  3. ronin
    ronin 21 November 2013 08: 40 New
    12
    Save taxpayer money! Banged and all. Otherwise, then you need to hold a trial, keep him in prison ... I think so. what
    1. atalef
      atalef 21 November 2013 09: 54 New
      +9
      Quote: ronin
      Save taxpayer money! Banged and all. Otherwise, then you need to hold a trial, keep him in prison ... I think so. what

      But this is correct (+), because in our prisons they still have higher education free of charge, after that, after 15 years, he will be an engineer-chemist --- the consequences are clear
      1. Dazdranagon
        Dazdranagon 21 November 2013 10: 05 New
        +2
        What higher education ?! It’s hard to get a normal education in institutes here (there are no normal teachers), and you mean prisons ... Yes, and students only talk - “no, I haven't bought chemistry yet, but calculus is easy” ... wassat
    2. sasska
      sasska 21 November 2013 14: 07 New
      +3
      it is also possible to "hold a trial, keep him in prison," but at the expense of the lawmakers. let them be thrown off from their wages for the maintenance of life prisoners!
  4. Rus86
    Rus86 21 November 2013 08: 40 New
    +9
    as an option. public trial. exponential. long. what would be shown more often on the zomboy. to see how such a "war for the virus" looks like trembling, how insignificant, and so on. an example, so to speak, for imitation of young cubs.
    1. domokl
      domokl 21 November 2013 09: 08 New
      +7
      Quote: Rus86
      as an option. public court. exponential. long

      And what will it give? Except of course the cries of mercy and humanity? But this is not the main thing. The main thing is that you will have to sacrifice one of the guys. And no terrorist is worth even a small wound of our fighter. He answered with a shot, get in full and without drooling ...
      1. Rus86
        Rus86 21 November 2013 09: 14 New
        +4
        I agree. Current all the salt is that to die in battle is for them "the gates of paradise, where the gurus have a beautiful face, something is there, and so on." this is if the Islamists, but we must show all their pity. I vaguely remember Basayev, in captivity, it's *** simple. but, the current does not harm our guys.
        1. atalef
          atalef 21 November 2013 11: 18 New
          +6
          Quote: Rus86
          I agree. Current all the salt is that to die in battle is for them "the gates of paradise, where the gurus have a beautiful face, something is there, and so on." this is if the Islamists, but we must show all their pity. I vaguely remember Basayev, in captivity, it's *** simple. but, the current does not harm our guys.

          The whole problem is that this is for the crowd, the lower, stupid and uneducated, when Israel killed Rantisi, one of the founders of Hamas in Gaza, who screamed most of all that he was ready to die the death of a martyr (which he was gladly granted) and called on everyone to become martyrs, urged mothers to sacrifice their children in the name of faith, and so, after his death, his farewell letter was opened (he knew very well that he would be killed someday, they (the terrorists) knew perfectly well who on this list was Shabak from this He doesn’t make a secret - and transmits through his channels - whatever their life would seem to them to be honey, and the fear of persecution - he is the worst) so about writing, for some reason he encouraged his children to study, not to succumb to propaganda, and in no case avenge his death (because he knew how it would end for them) -that's such garbage
    2. major071
      major071 21 November 2013 09: 22 New
      12
      It will not work, from all sides "cryo-defenders" will run in, screaming about crap and respect for the rights of this devil. negative
      1. Rus86
        Rus86 21 November 2013 09: 26 New
        0
        Well, how many ways to respond to this?) Breivik camera photo show at worst, with a flag on the wall.
        1. atalef
          atalef 21 November 2013 11: 46 New
          +1
          Quote: Rus86
          Well, how many ways to respond to this?) Breivik camera photo show at worst, with a flag on the wall.

          He has a three-room camera, a problem may arise, many will want to sit in such conditions
    3. atalef
      atalef 21 November 2013 11: 11 New
      +3
      Quote: Rus86
      as an option. public trial. exponential. long. what would be shown more often on the zomboy. to see how such a "war for the virus" looks like trembling, how insignificant, and so on. an example, so to speak, for imitation of young cubs.

      Stupidity, a waste of money and the popularization of the hero in the eyes of his companions, as well as giving him the areola of the martyr, but he will not tremble, believe me, there is no death penalty, and he is not afraid of this either - he already wanted to die, so he will sit satisfied and happy and will fold his fingers in the sign "Victoria" (V) - you've already seen this
  5. Mikhail m
    Mikhail m 21 November 2013 08: 41 New
    14
    In order for his cartridges to run out, someone must run in front of him as a target. Oops! He laid one down, and the next went to lure the ammunition from the terrorist.

    Humanists as a target and use. You see, reasonable laws will begin to be written. The terrorist went beyond the law, took up arms. But weapons must be destroyed. No questions.
  6. Same lech
    Same lech 21 November 2013 08: 41 New
    11
    I propose introducing a new law to those who come up with these laws, to test them in practice, they must be the first to develop them, then the list goes to ATAKU for the terrorists, those who voted well, and finally, after the surviving attack against the terrorists, the top official who approved such a law is headed.
    1. max702
      max702 21 November 2013 11: 38 New
      +5
      That's right! But to expand! In all directions, those who adopt financial laws on the case live about him for a month or so other taxes are paid. they go gather paperwork, live on retirement benefits for at least not a month or two different with all the laws, then communism will come exactly in our lifetime.
  7. Under
    Under 21 November 2013 08: 42 New
    16
    http://agentura.ru/dossier/tagik/specnaz/
    I came across a rather interesting article. Who cares about the most experienced and military special forces of Central Asia. I really liked their tactics when confronted with militants - immediate destruction. The message is this: picked up a weapon, get ready with it and die. The same goes for criminals: when resisted, it is destroyed, but because there is nothing. I would not mind our security officials adopting a similar tactic: they become militants consciously, they choose their own path, it means giving them a chance is a completely meaningless task.
  8. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 21 November 2013 08: 43 New
    13
    The president said, "And wet it in the toilet!" And what else to invent. The madman is destroyed without hesitation.
    1. sasska
      sasska 22 November 2013 23: 44 New
      +1
      Unfortunately, the President did not say what the prosecutor’s office would do in the toilet. (and it would be worth not to see a person in the head)
      Therefore, the complexity.
  9. Orik
    Orik 21 November 2013 08: 43 New
    +6
    It seems to me that no one stands on ceremony with them, and the "couch" people do not respect themselves. Another thing is that a living terrorist is often needed by operatives and investigators.
    1. Walking
      Walking 21 November 2013 13: 16 New
      +2
      Before the arrest, liquidation of the terrorist by operations, surveillance is carried out, the object is monitored, its connections are usually revealed only after that a special operation follows. And if a terrorist does not surrender, they will destroy him, since the lives of special forces soldiers are more expensive. Ordinary gunman terrorist usually knows very little.
  10. Lesmed2
    Lesmed2 21 November 2013 08: 44 New
    +4
    Terrorists have nothing to lose, so they are trying to put our guys as much as possible before they are eliminated.
  11. Valery Neonov
    Valery Neonov 21 November 2013 08: 44 New
    +5
    hi Only destroy! The lives of our specialists need to be protected. And they are not "lost sheep" terrorists, they know what they are doing.
  12. Wedmak
    Wedmak 21 November 2013 08: 45 New
    12
    Watering immediately and with the house. Warning, did not come out, RPO PDM-A on the shoulder and through the window. At the same time, show what will happen to the harbinger and his house. And then they clatter, persuade, threaten.
    1. alicante11
      alicante11 21 November 2013 10: 08 New
      +3
      Well, they can harbor something not their fault. So you have to pay the damage. And then it is already possible to recover from the Rodak terrorist.
  13. vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 21 November 2013 08: 45 New
    +9
    in fact, the author is right, but today there are means of influencing people that can be dispensed with. And it’s not at all in order to save the life of the militant, but in order to interrogate him with special means to reveal everything that he knows, and then at a cost. Besides, who said that it should be blocked in the house? Who said that a company of special forces is needed to capture or destroy one terrorist or even three. In my opinion there is no need to raid when the beast is in the den, is it not easier to establish observation and take it when he least expects. It’s for us that the FSB forgot how to work (or did not learn). In general, I’m not for saving their lives, but for processing them in a landfill.
    1. bunta
      bunta 21 November 2013 09: 04 New
      +4
      Quote: vladsolo56
      is it not easier to establish observation and take it when he least expects.

      I think this is just not easier. But the message of drones and robots instead of the inspection team and the use of sleep gas is a question.
      For anyone, a living terrorist is still better than dead. And tell more and torment. And so, he receives incredible pleasure. Now he will get a bullet and he will be an eternal paradise and the gurus and furies will give him a massage. We must take demons alive. And feed the pork. Then the rest will think more.
  14. kudma
    kudma 21 November 2013 08: 46 New
    +2
    Fly them in the window and all.
    1. vladsolo56
      vladsolo56 21 November 2013 13: 48 New
      +4
      say a fly? Imagine hypothetically, the terrorist discovered the persecution and burst into your house. what will you do? he will refuse to give up for sure, and then a fly flies into your house. How do you like this scenario?
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  16. Per se.
    Per se. 21 November 2013 08: 48 New
    14
    Don't confuse a terrorist with a hooligan. The terrorist renounced his country or was not originally a citizen of it, starting a war against the attacked country and its people, essentially becoming a soldier of the enemy army. Any armed action on the part of such "soldiers" should be considered as military aggression that does not require proof of their guilt. Even a civil war is a war, for it there are already other laws. If the enemy does not surrender he must be destroyed.
  17. bairat
    bairat 21 November 2013 08: 50 New
    -4
    It's good to wave a saber while sitting on the couch. And if the CTO regime comes to your region? Security forces can accidentally or maliciously shoot a person and retroactively attribute them to militants. It is clear that when there is a battle no one asks the religion of the enemy, but this cannot be introduced into the rule, the guilt of a person should be determined by the court.
    1. lewerlin53rus
      lewerlin53rus 21 November 2013 09: 09 New
      +1
      Quote: bairat
      court should determine guilt
      this of course is understandable. but you can’t wait until he shoots more evidence against himself. if surrenders, it is clear that the court, etc. And if it is resisting and there is a chance that people will suffer, then destruction without any talk
      1. Rustam009
        Rustam009 21 November 2013 12: 50 New
        +1
        Quote: lewerlin53rus
        Quote: bairat
        court should determine guilt
        this of course is understandable. but you can’t wait until he shoots more evidence against himself. if surrenders, it is clear that the court, etc. And if it is resisting and there is a chance that people will suffer, then destruction without any talk

        Correctly say, all means are good to achieve the goal, this is a war, there will be losses. Moreover, in Russia there was always a lot of "cannon fodder" and did not spare it. Tooth for tooth, eye for eye, and constant blood flowing like a river. End "meat", everything will end. Do not judge anyone, kill everyone! Only then do you realize that you yourself have become like terrorists, violating all laws. I'm waiting for the cons.
    2. Same lech
      Same lech 21 November 2013 09: 10 New
      +5
      it’s even worse to kneel before a terrorist and wait for a bullet in the back of the head.
      As for the court, our court is the most humane court in the world.
      To notorious scumbags saves a life and prospect to be released.
      1. ale-x
        ale-x 21 November 2013 09: 30 New
        +1
        Just a bullet in such a situation - a gift (((
        1. Rustam009
          Rustam009 21 November 2013 12: 55 New
          +2
          Quote: ale-x
          Just a bullet in such a situation - a gift (((
          I agree to the bullet to the terrorist, together with the judge, also to the deputies and the government who have introduced a moratorium on the death penalty! The state legally acts "humanely", there is no official death penalty, only the soldiers were turned into executioners, risking their lives.
    3. ale-x
      ale-x 21 November 2013 09: 29 New
      0
      Or maybe not by chance ..... If the CTO regime comes to our region, we will not resist it, partly our fault is in this. We will help the security forces in all possible ways i.e. do not interfere.
    4. alone
      alone 21 November 2013 22: 05 New
      0
      Quote: bairat
      the guilt of a person must be determined by the court.


      when a man, armed, opens fire on representatives of the authorities, he is already guilty and his guilt is already considered proven. Even the Soviet era did not stand on ceremony with such criminals. He opened fire, bullet in the forehead.
  18. Colonel
    Colonel 21 November 2013 09: 01 New
    +2
    Wait until he runs out of ammo
    Oh, to hell. Funny, or what ???
  19. wulf66
    wulf66 21 November 2013 09: 06 New
    10
    Why would a capture team run in front of a terrorist? You just need to make a list of "human rights defenders", draw up a duty schedule and, if necessary, call and provide them with the opportunity to show the "suckers" how to act.
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 21 November 2013 09: 17 New
      +4
      A long list will work out, I think many will get wet in their underpants at the first shots.
      1. wulf66
        wulf66 23 November 2013 19: 32 New
        0
        A long list is not a problem! Let them "work" in groups. And in order to save panties, do not buy diapers.
  20. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 21 November 2013 09: 17 New
    +2
    So let the "experts" themselves run in front of the house, diverting the fire on themselves until the terrorists run out of cartridges, and the special forces will rest, stand in the cordon, I would have looked at it, how some "expert" would dash from one cover to another running, on the one hand, it's good and you can lose weight and prove your "democracy" and "liberalism" by deeds, but as for me, if terrorists are in the house, so if the house is private or the floor allows, then adjust the flamethrower tank, once offer to surrender , so for the sake of form, no, no, burn the hut nafig. Let them run to burn for the glory of Allah.
  21. pv1005
    pv1005 21 November 2013 09: 23 New
    +7
    I, as a taxpayer, am ready to pay a 5,45 mm (7,62 mm) cartridge to the head of a terrorist. But he will never be ready to pay for his accommodation and services in the zone.
  22. tun1313
    tun1313 21 November 2013 09: 24 New
    +1
    By the way, hardingush has a wonderful blog, I recommend that you familiarize yourself with the link under the article. Good luck guys and thanks for their work.
  23. Nayhas
    Nayhas 21 November 2013 09: 26 New
    +4
    This sentence is particularly stupid.

    This opus of the author delivers with his dullness and meekness. Living members of the underground are not needed to judge them. I need information, I need intelligence work, but how to deal with corpses? How to ensure the life of an agent operating underground if he is locked in a house with other bandits, and the military do not care about the gigantic efforts of the operatives to recruit, they would roll everyone into molecules and okay. Not a single war with partisans is won by total annihilation. Only undercover work. The introduction of agents, the isolation of leaders with the gradual withdrawal of their agents to leadership positions, followed by the liquidation of the entire underground. This is a difficult and painstaking work, a delicate game that frankly spoils such as the author.
    PS: For example, we can cite Bogomolov's book "The Moment of Truth", everything is laid out on the shelves there ...
    1. tun1313
      tun1313 21 November 2013 09: 33 New
      +1
      A little taken out of context, in the author’s blog, by the way, of the current employee, there are several articles on this topic, read it will become clearer, by the way, if there is an order to be taken, don’t hesitate. And the author is not operas like Bogomolov’s, but a physicist. And that he goes under the bullets.
    2. Ugrumiy
      Ugrumiy 21 November 2013 22: 24 New
      +1
      Well, so with Bogomolov, everything ended with a forceful capture! Yes, and with losses on both sides! And without "heavy" Tamantsev, it is not a fact that what else would have happened.
  24. major071
    major071 21 November 2013 09: 30 New
    11
    Sitting well on the couch, drinking beer and looking at the zombie dog, reason and feel like an EXPERT. Well, if you are an expert in this matter, go and prove in practice that all the suckers are right. Can not? You say that it’s not your business and professionals should deal with it, then put your tongue in one place, sit and do not blather. Divorced experts like fleas on a dog. angry
    1. avant-garde
      avant-garde 21 November 2013 10: 01 New
      +7
      Quote: major071
      go and prove in practice that all the suckers and you're right.

      let a little addition

      "I do not agree - object, object - offer, offer - do" S.P. Korolev
      1. Rus86
        Rus86 22 November 2013 05: 32 New
        0
        the whole point of the problem (opinion from the couch) is not to overwhelm a specific terrorist, but to destroy the movement itself. the end of the forties comes to mind. How did you fight against all sorts of "Bendera Unounsavites"? the underground itself was liquidated. it is necessary to read about it, preferably not in the liberopress.
  25. ale-x
    ale-x 21 November 2013 09: 40 New
    +6
    There are a lot of subtleties of such events; it is simple and interesting to talk. However, there is no point in risking employees. There is no guarantee that everyone is neutralized by gas and no one presses the fuse. To burn everything to the ground and to hell to hell with all these barricades is so more reliable and calmer. Judging the devils is useless - because they themselves have decided everything for themselves.
    About what should be "taken alive on the street" - yes, everything is so, it would be great ... Of course there is a chance to do this without losses among employees or civilians, but the elimination of 1 or 2 "boiks" will notify their "colleagues", and what are they ready at the moment and where are they? It is more correct to dispose of them together - cheaper in bulk.
  26. Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 21 November 2013 10: 11 New
    +8
    In the most democratic country, the USA, not long ago, police shot and killed a child playing a toy with a copy of a Kalashnikoav assault rifle. I don't think the cops were cowards. they just stupidly followed the instructions. I propose to our liberals to participate in the detention of terrorists and to comply with all the laws that they have created. I think they will quickly amend the law on terrorism.
  27. edmed
    edmed 21 November 2013 10: 29 New
    +7
    hi The "sofa expert" scratching his belly begins to scratch his "turnip", many watched, and some read "In August 44" that the main thing in a situation is to destroy the enemy or obtain information, to obtain means to prevent large losses, according to IMHO the author complains that according to the "Law about the police "all" ritual dances "must be observed, but in a combat operation, and this is not a war, otherwise" right-left defenders "will run up, shaking the" Laws " , lawyers, relatives are shouting "he is not guilty of anything, he was turned on!", the court, and then on parole, and now the "hero", a fighter against the infidels, young science, and even against the whole "army" , generally easier to shoot in the forehead.
    1. ale-x
      ale-x 21 November 2013 10: 44 New
      +2
      I agree to all 100.
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  29. deman73
    deman73 21 November 2013 11: 21 New
    +5
    The best negotiator with bandits and terrorists is a bullet shot in the forehead, but for those who have written all this rubbish about the detention and the court will say this before the special operation they check the information on the bandits and the command is given to the authorities by the authorities, namely the head of the special operation, this is, firstly, secondly, smart wisecrackers first try on your own skin how to take it alive and then see what you sing, and in the third when you need to take it safe and sound then take it believe me
  30. Bakht
    Bakht 21 November 2013 11: 22 New
    +9
    Picture from life. In the accursed America.

    There is a cop on the street. Like on a picture. I only saw these in the movies. All in uniform, a pistol in a holster, handcuffs, a baton. At least in the advertising photo. And in front of him some drunk is grimacing. Sometimes in the States drunks are found. Personally, I heard only one warning from the policeman. The drunk is not relented. With a baton and a drunk, he lay down on the asphalt. A call on the walkie-talkie and exactly 5 minutes later the car stood nearby to load an insensitive body.

    The policeman was in uniform. He is power. And he is not obliged to warn anyone about anything. Out of the box - get it on the back of the neck. I am 101% sure that if the criminal had a hint of a weapon, the policeman would shoot him without hesitation. This is the true manifestation of democracy. Because the first law of democracy says "your freedom ends at the doorstep of my house."
    1. max702
      max702 21 November 2013 12: 01 New
      +2
      I would go to the officer and shake his hand .. more often and more of such officers.
  31. O_RUS
    O_RUS 21 November 2013 11: 28 New
    +1
    "Those who hope to solve the problem of terrorism with beautiful and pretentious words are hovering in the clouds. Terrorists understand only clear, verified arguments that indicate that they are wrong. For example, such as: ..."

    I'm for a shot ... liquidation
  32. Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 21 November 2013 11: 28 New
    +6
    Of course, it would be good to catch, twist, "split", shake out all the information and, without fail, execute if there is no obvious prospect of sincere repentance. And the bandits must be mowed down. Stop playing de (ry) mocracy, haven’t you played enough in 25 years?
  33. Ezhaak
    Ezhaak 21 November 2013 11: 40 New
    +1
    What do sofa experts offer?

    They just want to run instead of targets. they hope that they will not get into them. To give them, ehpertam, such a right to run at gunpoint.
  34. moskal68
    moskal68 21 November 2013 11: 56 New
    0
    What does the law require? "Before using physical force, special means or firearms, a police officer is obliged to inform persons in respect of whom the use of physical force, special means or firearms is expected that he is a police officer, to warn them of his intention and provide them with an opportunity and time to comply with the legal requirements of the police officer. "


    The author is not quite in the subject. Let google an article on the use of firearms - everything is written in it. And to interfere with a firearm, physical force and special equipment - this is some kind of journalism. And bandos must certainly be destroyed without trial.
  35. fleks
    fleks 21 November 2013 12: 03 New
    +1
    the question is of course amateurish but nevertheless what cannot be taken with some gas? well, and then you can judge
    1. Theophanes
      Theophanes 21 November 2013 16: 42 New
      +2
      And the hell should be judged so that he would recruit a gang in prison or in the zone or should the wife of the deceased soldier take it by taking a piece of bread from their own orphans !!! Horseradish in the throat of all liberals Wet !!!! and silence.
    2. Ugrumiy
      Ugrumiy 21 November 2013 22: 47 New
      +1
      It is possible, in Nord Ost they took gas, only then all the boyfriends and their girlfriends were "controlled" so that they could not wake up by accident and activate the explosive device. When using gas grenades, there is no guarantee that they will give the desired effect. After all, the storming people do not know the location of the rooms, the presence of shelters, the ventilation of the premises, the availability of the militants' protective equipment. In addition, the use of gas grenades from a distance will immediately cause return fire or other aggressive actions of the militants.
      Well, an attempt to use special equipment close to the house is fraught with losses among the storming, because the militants will not wait until you get to the building and start up gas or throw them with noise and noise.
  36. avg
    avg 21 November 2013 12: 11 New
    +5
    There are many options for combating terror. But there must be one fundamental principle.
    Just as "The whole world is not worth one child's tear," so the lives of all terrorists are not worth one operative's life.
  37. nekromonger
    nekromonger 21 November 2013 12: 13 New
    +4
    if the so-called human rights activists take care of humanism during the seizure of terrorists armed to the teeth, I suggest that before the assault they should be given the right to go in and persuade everyone to lay down their arms and go out one at a time.
  38. lewerlin53rus
    lewerlin53rus 21 November 2013 12: 31 New
    +3
    And how did the most "democratic" state in the world deal with the simply suspected of terrorism and unarmed Tsarnaev? And there are plenty of other examples.
  39. ImPerts
    ImPerts 21 November 2013 12: 49 New
    +2
    The author is not quite in the subject.

    The author generally participates in such operations.
    Rat basement cleaning
    29 January, 15: 24
    This is an old video. I was not here when the special operation was carried out. Maybe 2007 or 2008 year. I can’t say more precisely. The bottom line: when clearing the address in the basement, three militants were found. On the proposal to surrender, they opened fire, deciding to fight, being in a tactically losing position. The guys had to clean everything up as an adult and get these rats out of there already in the form of corpses. Here are their features, you need to clean to the truth, to be absolutely sure that you go down the basement, where only corpses are present. And then shut up, you bastard, two postings and remember what they called ... Well, nothing is as far as I can tell, in this case the men worked clearly, as if by notes.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-dzvE7z5Xs
    I completely agree with the author.
    http://hardingush.livejournal.com/45591.html
  40. AlNikolaich
    AlNikolaich 21 November 2013 12: 54 New
    +2
    I read it. I started thinking. I believe that "capture and destruction while resisting" is the only capital punishment under a moratorium on the death penalty! And legitimate! Perhaps it is applied to subjects whose guilt is irrefutable, and the value due to the possibility of obtaining information is minimal! "Valuable" criminals are taken without noise and dust, as the guys said "warm out of bed."
    No need to make fools of the Specials! They know better what and how to do!
  41. Goldmitro
    Goldmitro 21 November 2013 13: 11 New
    +2
    <<< Like, you don't need to destroy the poor terrorists, you need to detain and try. What do the sofa experts suggest? Wait until he runs out of ammo. >>>
    Maybe it's enough to pay attention to this bullshit bullshit carried by the "sofa experts" - tolerant liberals, for whom all these terrorists, bandits, no less, freedom fighters who seek "freedom" by force (the collapse of Russia) ! And this completely coincides with the interests of the gameocratic West, whose agents these "couch experts" are!
  42. 311ove
    311ove 21 November 2013 13: 16 New
    +3
    Terrorism is an infection. A terrorist is a BEING with an inflamed consciousness! Even among animals, killing their own kind is more the exception than the rule! Fight like an infection, soak it! To paraphrase Mayakovsky: Watering always, watering everywhere until the last days of the bottom! Watering and no nails ... Others probably think. Well, if you run out to surrender yourself, then why ... well, then judge ...
  43. Bakht
    Bakht 21 November 2013 13: 21 New
    10
    The book "Chechen Wheel". Author Mikhailov A.G. Major General of the FSB.

    Basayev in the hospital of Budennovsk.

    The assault was under development, and negotiations did not stop for a minute. Stepashin took on a very delicate mission: to meet with Chechen authorities, who were supposed to convince Basayev, to influence him.
    Ruslan Labazanov, Basayev’s brother Shirvani, other figures who could at least help with something were rushed to Budennovsk ...
    But both Labazanov and Shirvani Basayev were skeptical of this idea. Moreover, Shirvani, which is called on the blue eye (Stepashin noticed surprisingly blue eyes), proposed his own solution to the problem. Cruel and, in his opinion, the only true.
    “Dear Sergey Vadimovich,” they always turned to Stepashin like that, “you need to detain me now, take Basayev’s relatives who are in Vedeno hostage, bring them here. Take him to the hospital and tell Shamil that if he doesn’t leave the hospital and "he won’t let people go, they will all be shot. And then do it by shooting one at a time ..."
    “We can’t go for it ...” Stepashin shook his head.
    "If you don't, you will lose ..." - Shirvani instantly lost interest in the conversation.
    1. George
      George 21 November 2013 21: 10 New
      +2
      Quote: Bakht
      The book "Chechen Wheel". Author Mikhailov A.G. Major General of the FSB.

      Thank you for the tip, I will definitely find it.
  44. ed65b
    ed65b 21 November 2013 13: 27 New
    +6
    The author is right. nothing to talk to them, good terrorist, dead terrorist. What to find out from him? What benefit can the same falcons present to the investigation? Bodies have long known who finances the composition of underground groups. Caught there is an opportunity to take alive take (if without a pale) no kill. The life of our boyfriend is a hundred times more expensive than the benefits of a living ordinary member of the bandit underground. That would have banged that asshole who cut our heads off for our guys and wouldn’t be indignant afterwards that he had received 18 instead of life. think for yourself? And yet, this author has to constantly struggle with this scum every day. And someone thought that he had a family, children, a wife, a father with his mother. And I will worry about the frostbite that he did not arrest but failed? Nah
  45. plebs
    plebs 21 November 2013 13: 41 New
    0
    Quote: Asgard
    What do you think, why are special forces created ????
    For the killings? For terror? To violate the LAW?
    Why they are equipped with special equipment, taught methods of counteraction, especially for them, in the construction of buildings, vehicles, utility networks, design features are laid that allow you to act suddenly and unexpectedly)))

    Absolutely agree! And such crying commandos as the author needs to be replaced by GRAD systems and that’s all, no losses among the superprofiles, and civilian shtafirokov why take them.
  46. smith7
    smith7 21 November 2013 13: 48 New
    +5
    The legal field and the battlefield are different fields. But the legal field is not easier to "pass" than the battlefield ... The conditions of the legal field of counter-terrorists are extremely difficult, but, as in any sphere of human activity, this is an attempt by the legislature to find a "golden" mean. In this case, ensure the protection of the lives of citizens, eradicate terrorism and retain professionals. So far it's not working well. I think (or even almost sure) no state in the world (except perhaps Israel) has solved this daunting legislative problem. How easy is it to say - "kill all the non-people on the spot!", And if there are random "fellow travelers" next to them or under duress? To deprive them of their chance to live? Or pay with the lives of soldiers for the opportunity to better understand who are "wolves" and who are "sheep"? Someone has an unambiguous ready-made answer with the rationale for all procedures, etc. etc.? I think there are no answers. There are soldiers and their commanders in specific conditions. Professionals know how to behave in specific conditions of the operation and are ready to take risks. But to prevent the "random commanders" from sending them to certain death for nothing - that's the task! Accountants and people generally far from planning combat operations should not be allowed to command soldiers. I read from one of the local authors "We live in an era of unprofessional unprofessionalism." Right! By solving the problem of professionally filled counter-terrorism services, not allowing unnecessary people to access the administrative structures, it will be possible to qualitatively improve the general state of the problem. If we go further, then we move on to raising children, etc. ... so as not to grow up as terrorists. I myself, I confess, did not run with a "machine gun on the hills" and my judgment is simply as a citizen.
    1. Alex Danilov
      Alex Danilov 26 November 2013 17: 36 New
      0
      Dear, the article is specifically about those about whom they figured out. And they also said good, healthy, give up. They still offer to save their lives, and this is recorded by video and audio recordings. And this is not a release of the hostages, can you read? There are no random fellow travelers, but they clearly wrote to you, surrounded, purely frostbitten terrorists, without any outsiders there. Yes, such thugs, to wet on the spot!
  47. PureGUN
    PureGUN 21 November 2013 13: 56 New
    +1
    I completely agree with the author. If a terrorist is urinated, he will not be able to give out any valuable information.
  48. bairat
    bairat 21 November 2013 14: 38 New
    +2
    A bullet in the forehead is of course the simplest action. But not a solution to the problem. An informant can settle accounts with a neighbor calling him a militant in a report. And under the joyful hooting of the couch strategists, the special forces are going to storm the house, whose owner is not to blame for anything. Already passed through this, called the oprichnina, indicative torture and executions in the squares to the joyful cries of the townspeople.
    1. nnz226
      nnz226 21 November 2013 19: 15 New
      +3
      It is not necessary to repeat the tales of goats from Western Geyrop and local liberals about the oprichnina: it has already been proven that the alleged "bloody tyrant" Ivan the Terrible executed (in court !!!) as many as 50 people in almost 8000 years of his reign, and then he remembered all in churches ... About his contemporaries Henry the 8th in England (executed "for vagrancy" from 70000 to 120000 people (no statistics were kept)) or under Henry the 4th on St. Bartholomew's Night, there are more than 15000 Huguenots in Paris alone (although the latter have a stigma in fluff ), even inconvenient to mention. So ... And as far as I know, information about the presence of a terrorist in the house (apartment) is carefully checked, otherwise, indeed, the special forces will get tired of running around on calls. And since it was confirmed ... Again, if it is not your fault, then come out with your hands up, tea, even in such cases nobody was piled up.
      1. bairat
        bairat 21 November 2013 19: 34 New
        0
        here is a generally accepted point of view:
        The essence of the oprichnina and its methods contributed to the enslavement of the peasants. In the years of the oprichnina, the landowners generously were given “black” and palace lands, peasant duties increased sharply. Oprichniki took the peasants out of the Zemstvo "by force and not on time." This affected almost all lands, led to the ruin of land holdings. The area of ​​arable land was rapidly declining. (84% in Moscow Uyezd, 92% in Novgorod and Pskov lands, etc.) The devastation of the country played a negative role in the establishment of serfdom in Russia. Peasants fled to the Urals, in the Volga region. In response, in 1581 "reserved summers" were introduced, when "temporarily" the peasants were forbidden to even leave the landlords even on St. George's Day.

        From state taxes, pestilence, famine depopulated the city. The weakened country suffered one after another serious defeats in the Livonian War. By the armistice of 1582, she ceded to the Poles the whole of Livonia, under an agreement with the Swedes, she lost the cities of Yam, Ivan the city, etc.

        no one thought how many people died of starvation there, huge damage was done to the country.
        1. family tree
          family tree 21 November 2013 20: 02 New
          +4
          Quote: bairat
          The essence of the oprichnina and its methods contributed to the enslavement of the peasants. In the years of the oprichnina, the landowners generously were given “black” and palace lands, peasant duties increased sharply. Oprichniki took the peasants out of the zemstvo "by force and not on time"

          Skeleton firewood? I've heard another generally accepted point
          During the reign of Ivan the Terrible
          -Population growth was 30-50%.
          -Jury trial introduced
          - Introduced free primary education in church schools
          -Created medical quarantine at the borders
          -The first regular army appeared, the first military uniform
          -Tatar raids stopped in Russia
          - Forbidden slave labor
          -Migration of the population from Europe to Russia exceeded 30 families
          -Who settled along the notch, paid 5 rubles per family
          -The territory of the country increased by 2 times
          -Lithuanian pans and gentry twice nominated Ivan the Terrible for the post of their king in 1572 and in 1574.

          And the peasants were mainly engaged in strengthening the centralization of power.
    2. Ugrumiy
      Ugrumiy 21 November 2013 23: 05 New
      -1
      They begin to wet only after opening fire in the direction of the assailants, so the owner of the house will not shoot at all guilty at all in principle.
      1. Ugrumiy
        Ugrumiy 23 November 2013 01: 05 New
        0
        And what is the minus? ((After all, he told the truth!
  49. avg
    avg 21 November 2013 16: 01 New
    0
    A bullet in the forehead is of course the simplest action.

    Of course, which is easier! You yourself, of course, have not tried it, but you know everything. And the oprichnina passed, and executions in the squares ...
    And it is especially easy and unconstrained, "to the joyful cries of the townspeople", to execute those who themselves strive to put a bullet in your forehead.
    Yes, and the special forces more do nehren how to storm the neighbors at home, and innocent assaulted citizens constantly shoot back. Obviously defending their civic position.
  50. FormerMariman
    FormerMariman 21 November 2013 16: 12 New
    +3
    GDP gave the go-ahead to water, it is necessary to water! Seriously, religion. extremists must be kept separately: In Kazakhstan, one such serving term for terrorism infects another ten convicts in this colony with this muck. As a result, after 3-5 years, we are free to get 10-15 ready-made terrorists. So if you take it alive, it is desirable to keep it separately in a pigsty so that you don’t aspire to paradise!