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The submarine "Severodvinsk" conducted the first launch of the "Onyx" rocket

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The submarine "Severodvinsk" conducted the first launch of the "Onyx" rocket

At state tests on November 6, 2013, the latest submarine of the Yasen project 885 Severodvinsk carried out the first launch of the Onyx anti-ship missile, the main armament of the boat, the Naval High Command said. fleet Russia.


Repeated firing is scheduled for the next two to three days, writes on Tuesday, "Military Industrial Courier."

“We tried to launch Onyx from the first Ash tree back in 2010, but due to technical problems with the weapon system and universal launcher, this could not be done,” said a naval commander officer familiar with the situation.

According to him, the military refused to accept "Severodvinsk" if "Onyx" is not included in its armament set.

"Now the tests were successful, all systems worked properly," - said the source.

Recall that in August the submarine Severodvinsk passed the third test cycle at sea. Later, the Military Industrial Courier wrote that the Navy was not satisfied with the state of the submarine, but the USC denied this information.

The newest supersonic anti-ship cruise missiles “Onyx” are designed to replace the “cyclopean” “Granites”. According to its characteristics, "Onyx" is inferior to "Granite". But then it surpasses it in the control system, in the combat use algorithm, and most importantly - in weight and size.

Production of new missiles is conducted in Russia in series. On the basis of "Onyx" was created the Russian-Indian rocket "Bramos", for which Russia made control systems and engines.

This allows, if necessary, to quickly meet the needs of its own fleet in new missiles, thereby ensuring the deterrence of the likely enemy.
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  1. SEM
    SEM 20 November 2013 10: 54 New
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    Well, where is again ever dissatisfied here? Is everything bad again? again, everything is not as you need?
    1. PROXOR
      PROXOR 20 November 2013 10: 59 New
      +2
      A VERY LONG TIME!!! (Joke) wink
    2. AVV
      AVV 20 November 2013 13: 44 New
      +3
      It's time to run on a stream !!! It's time!
    3. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 20 November 2013 14: 18 New
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      Onyx is a universal anti-ship cruise missile. Designed to combat surface naval groups and single ships in conditions of strong fire and electronic countermeasures. On the basis of the rocket, there are two apparently identical export options: the Russian Yakhont and the Indian BrahMos, but with significantly reduced combat characteristics. These cars are capable of starting from under water: they have a flight speed of 750 m / s and carry a crushing high explosive warhead weighing half a ton. Range of their flight over 600 km.

      Onyx is launched by an inertial navigation system guided by target designation data previously entered into the rocket before launch. At a pre-calculated point of the trajectory, the missile’s homing head (25-80 km) is briefly turned on, which accurately determines the target’s location.

      Onyx's on-board computer also contains data on counteracting enemy electronic warfare, capable of staging missiles to lead missiles off target, tactical techniques for evading air defense weapons from fire. Not a single ship in the world is able to dodge the onyx pressure: ship radars can notice their launch, but further resistance is useless. Speed ​​and constant maneuvers above the surface of the sea make it practically impossible to intercept them using air defense or aircraft.

      Another advantage of the Onyx missile is that it is unified for use from various carriers. In Russia, it is installed not only on submarines, but also surface ships, land mobile platforms - Bastion coastal missile systems.
      1. mark1
        mark1 20 November 2013 15: 14 New
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        Quote: Sith Lord
        These vehicles are capable of starting from under water: they have a flight speed of 750 m / s and carry a crushing high-explosive warhead weighing half a ton. The range of their flight is more than 600 km.

        Lord, where does this knowledge come from !? (if it's not difficult to link). With such outstanding performance characteristics (taking into account technical progress) the racket should be slightly smaller than the "Granite". "Onyx" has been developed since the mid-70s and it was based on what is now officially announced - 200 kg warhead, 300 km range (well, maybe a little more) miracles do not happen (or does it happen?)
        1. Odysseus
          Odysseus 20 November 2013 17: 27 New
          +1
          Quote: mark1
          "Onyx" has been developed since the mid-70s and it was based on what is now officially announced - 200 kg warhead, 300 km range (well, maybe a little more) miracles do not happen (or does it happen?)

          Range-300, low profile-120. Excellent range.
        2. 1c-inform-city
          1c-inform-city 20 November 2013 20: 26 New
          +2
          Unfortunately, all sources cite the characteristics of Yakhont (P 1100), which is exported. Therefore, there are no real data on Onyx (p 800). But it seems that Onyx has a different range and warhead, since it is not limited by international treaties. For example, The yakhont speed is declared 2.5m, and Bramos 3m. Although the engines are the same as 3D55. The range depends on the given trajectory and the type of warhead.
        3. Lord of the Sith
          Lord of the Sith 21 November 2013 04: 57 New
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          Yes, really 300km is my mistake. In the morning I read it on the site and copied it here, now I can’t find this link.
      2. andrei332809
        andrei332809 20 November 2013 16: 52 New
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        Quote: Sith Lord
        Their flight range is over 600 km.

        do not believe wikipedia. range that ours, that export-300
    4. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 20 November 2013 14: 41 New
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      Quote: SEM
      Well, where is again ever dissatisfied here?

      They are now sitting in the topic of the energy dependence of the USSR; today they relish there lol
      1. alex84
        alex84 20 November 2013 15: 21 New
        +2
        Quote: Lord of the Sith
        Range of their flight over 600 km.


        This is when Onyx’s range became more than 600 km, give official facts, not your imagination
        1. MURANO
          MURANO 20 November 2013 15: 53 New
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          Quote: alex84
          This is when Onyx’s range became more than 600 km, give official facts, not your imagination

          Quote: alex84
          This is when Onyx’s range became more than 600 km, give official facts, not your imagination

          The situation with Onyx is the same as with Caliber. Onyx has an export modification-Yakhont with 300 km, like Caliber-Clab with the same 300 km.
          1. mark1
            mark1 20 November 2013 16: 32 New
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            Quote: MURANO
            Onyx has an export modification-Yakhont with 300 km, like Caliber-Clab with the same 300 km.

            Well, yes, we offer all sorts of things to export, but to our beloved ones, we do something (we tried Chubais with nanotechnologies), that only the name (similar) and weight and size characteristics remain common with the export version, but TTX is better already twice (at least)!
            In fact, everything is one to one with the exception of some details.
            1. MURANO
              MURANO 20 November 2013 16: 37 New
              +1
              Quote: mark1
              what is common with the export version is only the name (similar) and weight and size characteristics, but TTX is better as much as twice (at least)!

              What did you mean?)
              The performance characteristics of Yakhont and Club are significantly lower than those of Onyx and Caliber, which are in service with us, and this is due to the ban on the export of missile systems with a range of more than 300 km.
              1. mark1
                mark1 20 November 2013 16: 40 New
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                Quote: MURANO
                TTX of Yakhont and Club is significantly lower than that of Onyx and Caliber

                You just give a justification (reference), many Soviet people also believed in communism.
                P.S. If you graduated normally from any educational institution, try to figure out how you can put the properties of "Granite" into a racket (over sound, warhead 500 kg, range 600 km) with more than half the weight and size characteristics?
                1. MURANO
                  MURANO 20 November 2013 16: 49 New
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                  Quote: mark1
                  You just give a justification (reference),

                  You will find about Caliber and Clab yourself. There were a lot of statements. In topics about 885, Sviyazhsk, for example.
                  The data about Onyx is classified. But there are no technical problems associated with its flight over 500 + km for a long time. As well as with the flight 3M-14 (KRcomplessa Caliber) over a range of about 2000 km.
                  1. mark1
                    mark1 20 November 2013 17: 01 New
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                    KR "Onyx" was developed by OKB - 52, one TZ with "Mosquito" and not as a replacement for "Granite".
                    "Caliber" - You yourself said that this is a complex. The complex includes an anti-ship missile system and a PLUR developed on the basis of an experimental cruise missile "Alpha" and an SKR developed on the basis of "Granata" Not everything is exported
                    It's good to argue with you about the divine - "... I know, because my knowledge is based on faith, and it is deep ..."
                    1. MURANO
                      MURANO 20 November 2013 17: 15 New
                      +2
                      Quote: mark1
                      It's good to argue with you about the divine - "... I know, because my knowledge is based on faith, and it is deep ..."

                      My knowledge is based on P.S. Nakhimov ChVVMU. Faculty of "Submarine missile armament" smile
                      1. rudolff
                        rudolff 20 November 2013 17: 29 New
                        +1
                        Good day, Sergey! Something has not been seen on the site for a long time.
                      2. MURANO
                        MURANO 20 November 2013 17: 35 New
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                        Quote: rudolff
                        Good day, Sergey!

                        Good! I'm always here. Just tired of getting stuck ..)
                    2. mark1
                      mark1 20 November 2013 17: 30 New
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                      Quote: MURANO
                      My knowledge is based on P.S.Nakhimov ChVVMU. Faculty of "Submarine missile weapons" smile

                      So it’s wonderful! Have you not noticed that I am promoting you to more justified answers reinforced by concrete facts and you all refer to different forums. Tell me, as an expert, within the limits of what is permitted (or almost) with arguments and links, and I will only be happy and will put you a bunch of pluses.
                    3. MURANO
                      MURANO 20 November 2013 17: 34 New
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                      Quote: mark1
                      Tell me, as an expert, within the limits of what is permitted (or almost) with arguments and links, and I will only be happy and will put you a bunch of pluses.

                      I've already said so much on the forums that more, for sure, is not necessary.
              2. PLO
                PLO 20 November 2013 17: 03 New
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                But there are no technical problems associated with its flight over 500 + km for a long time. As well as with the flight 3M-14 (KRcomplessa Caliber) over a range of about 2000 km.

                as far as I remember there was information about the launch of Onyx from the Bastion to a maximum range of 400km or more.
                about 600km it would certainly be cool, but somehow it’s also hard to believe
                still fuel consumption for flights on 0.8M and 2.5M is slightly different
                and at subsonic speeds you can attach wings to the rocket wider)
            2. MURANO
              MURANO 20 November 2013 17: 08 New
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              Quote: mark1
              how can the properties of "Granite" be incorporated into a racket (oversound, warhead 500 kg, range 600 km) with more than half the weight and size characteristics?

              About the mass of warheads I did not say)
              The answer is another element base and fuel.
              1. mark1
                mark1 20 November 2013 17: 22 New
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                Quote: MURANO
                The answer is another element base and fuel.

                Well, yes, our elemental base is the most elemental in the world, but for Indians and other Vietnamese, we offer equipment based on transistors and electromechanical relays ...
                Unfortunately, our database does not differ in particular miniaturization compared to imported analogues (at best it is the same) and if we propose something worse than the global level. simply no one will talk to us.
                1. MURANO
                  MURANO 20 November 2013 17: 27 New
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                  Quote: mark1
                  Well, yes, our elemental base is the most elemental in the world.

                  Nobody talked about this. It is understood that BASU Onyx, due to another element base, is much lighter and smaller than Granite.
                  1. mark1
                    mark1 20 November 2013 17: 41 New
                    +1
                    Quote: MURANO
                    It is understood that BASU Onyx, due to another element base, is much lighter and has smaller dimensions than Granite.

                    Probably three times. It is interesting how much they managed to change the base radically if the development was in the mid-70s and the beginning of the 90s (then it started to fly too).
                    I will repeat myself - the terms of reference for the development in common with the Mosquito. The rocket was not considered as a replacement for Granite
    5. Windbreak
      Windbreak 20 November 2013 18: 22 New
      +2
      On the site of the manufacturer "PBRK" Bastion "with the anti-ship missile system" Yakhont "will provide protection: the coast with a length of more than 600 km from enemy landing operations" http://www.npomash.ru/activities/ru/missile2.htm?l=0. This is what was "turned" into range, which is a mistake
  2. sasska
    sasska 20 November 2013 22: 13 New
    +1
    poor hamsters ...
  • Odysseus
    Odysseus 20 November 2013 17: 15 New
    +1
    Quote: SEM
    Well, where is again ever dissatisfied here? Is everything bad again? again, everything is not as you need?

    Well, actually both the boat and the rocket were developed in the 80s, and with the preservation of the Soviet economy in the 90s they would have already gone into operation, and now they were already considered obsolete smile
    Well, since there are no dissatisfied, the ship is useful, everyone is happy.
  • Hunghuz
    Hunghuz 20 November 2013 17: 40 New
    -2
    hi So this is not even a Penguin and not a cashman Gabriel ...... ??? or are we in the kibbutz Anadyr Chevyata nor do we dagan?
  • APASUS
    APASUS 20 November 2013 19: 20 New
    -1
    Quote: SEM
    Well, where is again ever dissatisfied here? Is everything bad again? again, everything is not as you need?

    Why rejoice? Have you read the article carefully?
    “We tried to launch Onyx from the first Ash tree back in 2010, but due to technical problems with the weapon system and universal launcher, this did not work out,”

    This is how much time has passed, that this time reports have gone to the top - everything is fine, we are ahead of the rest, has no analogues !!!
    Against the background of constant dissatisfaction with the Indian side that we do not buy BrahMos, we decided to show everyone that we ourselves have a mustache.
    Not so simple in the kingdom of Denmark? or wrong ??
    1. APASUS
      APASUS 20 November 2013 19: 39 New
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      Began!
      Grateful readers put cons without explaining their claims.
      Where are you silent Robin Hoods ??
  • sasska
    sasska 20 November 2013 22: 10 New
    +2
    well wait a moment! they are now getting rid of, checking with their KamaSutra (recommendations of the State Department) and - into a keyboard battle smile
  • avt
    avt 20 November 2013 10: 57 New
    +1
    Finally !! Like a full ship looms!
    1. GSH-18
      GSH-18 20 November 2013 11: 37 New
      +1
      Quote: avt
      Finally !! Like a full ship looms!

      Cool submarine and weapons to match! The news is great. And in general, our submarine component of the fleet looks the most rosy in contrast to the NK group.
      Submarines are certainly very good, but this is not the whole fleet unfortunately .. Russia (taking into account the longest maritime border in the world) absolutely needs a strong balanced fleet. And so the movement of its formation, even on paper, is not yet visible. We will hope for positive changes in this regard.
  • PROXOR
    PROXOR 20 November 2013 11: 01 New
    +4
    Great news. A dozen of them would be to the North and 15 pieces to the Pacific Ocean. And then the anus of AUG Matrasnikov will be compressed specifically.
    1. GSH-18
      GSH-18 20 November 2013 11: 41 New
      +4
      Quote: PROXOR
      And then the anus of AUG Matrasnikov will be compressed specifically.

      Do not overestimate the capabilities of "naked" multipurpose nuclear submarines. And underestimate the capabilities of enemy AUGs. Believe me, the anus of the enemy will shrink immeasurably stronger after the appearance of a pair of Russian AUGs complete with the Yasen nuclear submarine! yes
      1. PROXOR
        PROXOR 20 November 2013 11: 49 New
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        Quote: GSH-18
        Do not overestimate the capabilities of "naked" multipurpose nuclear submarines. And underestimate the capabilities of enemy AUGs. Believe me, the anus of the enemy will shrink immeasurably stronger after the appearance of a pair of Russian AUGs complete with the Yasen nuclear submarine!

        Well, let's just say that they wouldn’t go so brazenly. This would greatly limit their actions. Yet again. Matrasnikov seems to have 6 or 7 permanent AUGs. Even if there are at least 4 in the Pacific Ocean, then our two flocks of 7 - 8 nuclear submarines will not make a pipe to sort them all one by one. From a pack of ONYXES, Aegis cannot be beaten.
        1. GSH-18
          GSH-18 20 November 2013 12: 26 New
          +5
          Quote: PROXOR
          Well, let's just say that they wouldn’t go so brazenly.

          From the former (when the USSR was) arrogance now there is not a trace left (and this is not thanks to the new nuclear submarines).
          Frequency of visits to our waters by ships and plato nato and usa:
          In the Barents Sea: frigate URO Carr (FFG 52) in September 2011, destroyer URO Farragut (DDG 99) in August 2012.
          In the Gulf of Finland: cruiser URO Vicksburg (CG-69) in May 2010, destroyer URO Laboon (DDG 58) in May 2010, frigate URO Kauffman (FFG 59) in May 2010, frigate URO Carr (FGG 52) in June-August 2011 .
          In the Black Sea: frigate URO Taylor (FFG 50) in July 2010, destroyer URO Gonzales (DDG 66) in December 2010, cruiser URO Monterey (CG-61) in June 2011, destroyer URO Philippine Sea (CG-58) in October 2011 , the URO cruiser Vella Gulf (CG-72) in January 2012, the URO destroyer Jason Dunham (DDG 109) in July 2012, the URO destroyer Bulkeley (DDG 84) in August 2013, the current visit of Mount Whitney (LCC 20) is not yet considered, for He is still in Bulgaria.
          In the Sea of ​​Japan: frigate URO Vandegrift (FFG 48) in July 2010, frigate URO Ford (FFG 54) in July 2011, destroyer URO Fitzgerald (DDG 62) in October 2011, destroyer URO Lassen (DDG 82) in May 2013.
          ================================================== =======
          I will not give statistics on the USSR, it is very voluminous.
          Quote: PROXOR
          This would greatly limit their actions.

          Believe me (contrary to the opinion prevailing on our website), not at all. Since even in peacetime, PLAR commanders, for penetrating one of the three (as of today) zones of the PLO AUG (mainly the 3rd), get the HERO of RUSSIA star. And there are few such commanders.
          Quote: PROXOR
          Matrasnikov seems to have 6 or 7 permanent AUGs.

          Amers have 11 AUGs today, and they are building new ones. In Iraq, seven were enough to destroy the Navy and launch massive land-based missile and bomb strikes.
          Quote: PROXOR
          Even if there are at least 4 in the Pacific Ocean, then two of our flocks of 7-8 nuclear submarines will not make a pipe to take them all apart. From a pack of ONYXES, Aegis cannot be beaten.

          The fact is that as part of the enemy ASG there are also multi-purpose nuclear submarines, there are PLO and AWACS aircraft, in addition to the well-known IJIS, anti-submarine ships, and all this bodyagion operates within a radius of 1000 km from the aircraft carrier. To launch a salvo, the anti-ship missiles will inevitably have to enter the AUG PLO zone.
          1. PROXOR
            PROXOR 20 November 2013 12: 39 New
            +2
            GS-18 Fiercely plus for a detailed answer. And yet:
            Quote: GSH-18
            Believe me (contrary to the opinion prevailing on our website), not at all. Since even in peacetime, PLAR commanders, for penetrating one of the three (as of today) zones of the PLO AUG (mainly the 3rd), get the HERO of RUSSIA star. And there are few such commanders.

            Our nuclear submarines, although good, are still inferior to Mattress mats in terms of noise. With the exception of the Vashavyanka project, which is nicknamed the Black Hole in NATO), I mean the boats of the 3rd generation. The mattress mats have a decent head start on electronic systems for detecting the enemy under water. Hopefully, with the advent of the 4th generation boats, the noise of the boat has decreased enough so that it would be easier for our people to enter the AUG security zone.
            Quote: GSH-18
            Amers have 11 AUGs today, and they are building new ones. In Iraq, seven were enough to destroy the Navy and launch massive land-based missile and bomb strikes.

            Super. But constantly and simultaneously only 6 or 7, now I do not remember. The remaining ones are at the dock wall at this time.
            Quote: GSH-18
            The fact is that as part of the enemy ASG there are also multi-purpose nuclear submarines, there are PLO and AWACS aircraft, in addition to the well-known IJIS, anti-submarine ships, and all this bodyagion operates within a radius of 1000 km from the aircraft carrier. To launch a salvo, the anti-ship missiles will inevitably have to enter the AUG PLO zone.

            The AUG includes only 2 multipurpose nuclear submarines. If we theoretically form a strike group of our forces, then to 7 new submarines of the ash type, it is imperative to attach additional submarine forces that will work to divert and destroy the nuclear submarine. It is also necessary to include means of detection and target designation in the group. And here I agree with you. Own AUG with its long-range aircraft and air forces would be welcome.
            1. GSH-18
              GSH-18 20 November 2013 13: 19 New
              +3
              Quote: PROXOR
              Own AUG with its long-range aircraft and air forces would be welcome.

              I absolutely agree with you!
              Even the Admiral of the Fleet of the USSR Nikolai Gerasimovich Kuznetsov believed that aircraft carriers for the fleet are more important than heavy cruisers and destroyers.
              It was because of the inclusion of aviation in the Navy that disappeared as a type of battleship (the guns of the Spanish colibri were helpless in front of carrier-based aviation). And for specialists, the inclusion of aircraft carriers in the Russian Navy, and the formation of the AUG, as a combat unit of the fleet, is not a question at all, they are for it. Everything rested on the political decision of our leadership (projects submitted to the government).
              The so-called "asymmetric response" is now popular and is being circulated in the media. But this is not applicable to the Russian Navy, because it is impossible with the help of one component of the fleet (albeit a strong one) to resist a balanced and integrated enemy fleet. And also to assign the solution of all tasks inherent in the fleet only to the underwater component.
              We really need new multi-purpose submarines. But it’s time to start the formation of a normal balanced fleet. We don’t need any dozens of AUGs, three or four will be enough (according to the number of Soviet TAKRs). With their appearance, Russian foreign policy will undergo significant positive changes! Remember my word. yes
              1. Ascetic
                Ascetic 20 November 2013 13: 33 New
                +4
                Quote: GSH-18
                with the help of one component of the fleet (albeit strong), it is impossible to resist the balanced and integrated fleet of the enemy. And also entrust the solution of all the tasks inherent in the fleet only to the underwater component.
                We really need new multi-purpose submarines. But it’s time to start the formation of a normal balanced fleet. We don’t need any dozens of AUGs, three or four will be enough (according to the number of Soviet TAKRs). With their appearance, Russian foreign policy will undergo significant positive changes! Remember my word.


                1. GSH-18
                  GSH-18 20 November 2013 13: 48 New
                  +1
                  *Ascetic*
                  Frenzy plus!)))
                  YES! And this is one of a number of tactical (political) capabilities of the AUG, which is by far the most demanded. yes
                  1. Ascetic
                    Ascetic 20 November 2013 14: 20 New
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                    Quote: GSH-18
                    YES! And this is one of a number of tactical (political) capabilities of the AUG, which is by far the most demanded.


                    Another thing is that now on the agenda are "gaping holes" that need to be covered urgently, and the aircraft carrier, the main thing is that at least for R&D money is not so much allocated. But this requires a political decision. The plans until 2020. As far as we know, the aircraft carrier is not listed, but this does not mean that there is no need to conduct R&D and R&D on this topic quietly without fanfare and unnecessary zvizdezh.
                    Deputy Minister of Defense Yu. Borisov. He is a supporter of the opinion about the need for aircraft carriers. Speaking about the potential of such ships and the reasons for their sympathy for them, he recalled the experience of the United States. One appearance of American aircraft carriers in the region can affect the politics of local countries. In addition, aircraft carriers can effectively carry out combat work in the conditions of local conflicts characteristic of recent times. Perhaps in the future, while discussing the need to build aircraft carriers for the Russian fleet, Borisov will defend his point of view and defend a promising project. However, such disputes in the highest circles of the Ministry of Defense will begin only in the future, when preparations for a new state armament program begin.
                    Aircraft carrier for the Russian Navy: a scale model and future plans
                    1. GSH-18
                      GSH-18 20 November 2013 14: 36 New
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                      Quote: Ascetic
                      However, such disputes in the highest circles of the Ministry of Defense will begin only in the future, when preparations for a new state armament program begin

                      And here I completely agree with you. This is so, unless the MO leadership changes or an urgent need arises ..
                  2. Lord of the Sith
                    Lord of the Sith 20 November 2013 14: 28 New
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                    4 AUGs are constantly involved, it has already been written several times and links to sites have been thrown. Yes, and a lot of articles came out, everywhere mention of 4 AUG.
                    1. GSH-18
                      GSH-18 20 November 2013 14: 51 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Sith Lord
                      4 AUGs are constantly involved, it has already been written several times and links to sites have been thrown. Yes, and a lot of articles came out, everywhere mention of 4 AUG

                      By the way, at this point in time, the Americans are sure that they do not have a real enemy, why should the idiot drive the AUGs? They are at their base, combat readiness is supported. Moreover, new ones are being built.
                      In the regions of the world of interest to amers, there are always their AUGs. As for example, in the Mediterranean Sea the 6th operational fleet is constantly in the structure of the aircraft carrier "Enterprise".
                      1. Ascetic
                        Ascetic 20 November 2013 16: 16 New
                        +3
                        Quote: GSH-18
                        In the regions of the world of interest to amers, there are always their AUGs. As for example, in the Mediterranean Sea the 6th operational fleet is constantly in the structure of the aircraft carrier "Enterprise".


                        Even hypothetically, can the same Japanese carry out an amphibious operation to seize the islands with the support of the American AUG? And how can the Pacific Fleet prevent such a development of events (RNU and other phenomena are excluded)? With the presence of AUG, they will not even have such a thought, and political pressure will come to naught. The same thing to prop up Alyasochka with its missile defense radars, it is much easier and more civilized to preemptively destroy the missile defense radar, and Poplars fly through the joint venture not tracked by anyone. Or the Saudi was blackmailing Putin about the Chechen fighters. Until we meet, as they say, on the deck of "Admiral X .." in the Persian Gulf, we will continue the conversation there ... the same Syria, instead of the combined hodgepodge of fleets, one AUG is enough. Yes, it is easier for Gazprom to pull pipes that are profitable for it in the end and influence the inclinations of competitors.
                        Many advantages are opened which subsequently will pay off the high cost and complexity of operation and maintenance. Yes, and the submarine group can be reoriented to its inherent tasks and not charge all that is possible on them as on some universal underwater Rimbaud. The Chinese think this opinion too
                        02.10.2013
                        China is ready to build first national aircraft carrier, said the CEO of the Jiangnan Shipyard Group, reports field.10jgka.cn.
                        According to him, this aircraft carrier will be much more powerful than the Japanese helicopter carrier, its cost will be $ 3 billion, and with all equipment, an air group and security ships, the price of an aircraft carrier strike group will reach $ 16 billion. Construction will be carried out at the shipyard (Changxing Island, Shanghai )
            2. kostyan77708
              kostyan77708 20 November 2013 14: 42 New
              0
              "Our nuclear submarines, although they are good, are still inferior to the Mattress toppers in terms of noise. With the exception of the Vashavyanka project, which is nicknamed the Black Hole in NATO), I mean the boats of the 3rd generation. boats of the 4th generation, the noise of the boat has decreased enough that it would be easier for ours to enter the security zone of the AUG ".

              and Pike B doesn’t count, or are they also very noisy? Just a question
      2. Army1
        Army1 20 November 2013 15: 41 New
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        Quote: GSH-18
        Quote: PROXOR
        And then the anus of AUG Matrasnikov will be compressed specifically.

        Do not overestimate the capabilities of "naked" multipurpose nuclear submarines. And underestimate the capabilities of enemy AUGs. Believe me, the anus of the enemy will shrink immeasurably stronger after the appearance of a pair of Russian AUGs complete with the Yasen nuclear submarine! yes

        Ash, and 2 Frets is enough. Who is interested in the topic about the Navy, and if you trust Wiki, go and see "List of ships of the Russian Navy" link "Summary table of modernized combat ships of the Russian Navy"
  • major071
    major071 20 November 2013 11: 01 New
    +5
    On state tests 6 November 2013, the newest submarine of the project "Ash" 885 "Severodvinsk" conducted the first launch of the anti-ship missile "Onyx" - the main armament of the boat, according to the Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Navy.

    This should not be news, it should be routine. soldier Early entry into the Navy!
    1. leon-iv
      leon-iv 20 November 2013 11: 43 New
      +1
      Well, as if now 2/3 of such news are commonplace. As well as replenishment of the Air Force and SV
  • Starover_Z
    Starover_Z 20 November 2013 11: 03 New
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    Good news, good news! Especially in the light of the parallel article published here about the failure of the American exercises in naval air defense systems, to bring down a subsonic RCC target missile. The ship was really damaged.
    What if this Onyx rushes off? wink
  • Stiletto
    Stiletto 20 November 2013 11: 03 New
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    I wonder if this thing came to visit Aegis? bully
    1. leon-iv
      leon-iv 20 November 2013 11: 43 New
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      Nope, there would be a boat right through.
  • dnh70
    dnh70 20 November 2013 11: 09 New
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    would try this little thing ...
    1. GSH-18
      GSH-18 20 November 2013 12: 05 New
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      Quote: dnh70
      would try this little thing ...

      Americans in the 90s of confusion and vacillation, on the sly, bought about 1000 Mosquito anti-ship missiles from new Russian friends and fired at their AUGs in order to find a countermeasure. They naturally found a variant. But for some reason they didn't tell some new Russian friends sad
      We must offer amerskiy admirals to conduct test launches of "Onyx" with warheads on their AUG! Then it will become clear who is hu!
      Exercises of dummies-air defense operators with a blank is one thing, but the whole AUG air defense complex with a real "Onyx" is completely different yes
      1. PLO
        PLO 20 November 2013 12: 08 New
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        Mosquitoes were not supplied to the Americans.
        you probably mean the missile target Ma-31
      2. Ascetic
        Ascetic 20 November 2013 14: 07 New
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        Quote: GSH-18
        Americans in the 90s of confusion and vacillation, on the sly, bought about 1000 Mosquito anti-ship missiles from new Russian friends and fired at their AUGs in order to find a countermeasure. They naturally found a variant. But for some reason they didn't tell some new Russian friends


        USA managed to acquire aviation cruise missiles X-31, the flight speed of which is close to the characteristics of the Mosquito. In addition, the US Navy received GQM-163A supersonic targets, which are being used to counter the 3M80 / 3M82 missiles. The test results show that the issue of protecting ships from supersonic cruise missiles remains open. At least I am not aware of the success in countering the Sunburn anti-ship missile system (as they called the Mosquito anti-ship missile system)


        the proposal to sell the Mosquito missiles to the United States (though not 100, but 500) was made by none other than Governor Nazdratenko. In reporting this, Kommersant then predicted that trouble awaited the governor. This is how it later happened: the Committee for Export Control of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation rejected the application for the sale of Mosquitoes, and Nazdratenko himself received a flurry of reproaches from Moscow for a “non-state approach to the problem”.
        Nazdratenko publicly stated then that there is no other way to get the enterprises of the coastal military-industrial complex out of the crisis, except to obtain permission to export part of their products.
        Until now, according to the Daily, the export of Mosquitoes abroad has been banned (although negotiations on the sale of the complex to China along with the boats on which it is installed have been underway for a long time). It was forbidden to sell the rocket itself.
        However, as General Kondratov specified, we are talking about the possible sale of models that are very different from the basic ones. In particular, they will not be equipped with anti-jamming systems and guidance systems. These missiles can only be used as flying targets (which is what the Americans want - they need Mosquitoes to test their anti-missile systems).

        link
        1. Ascetic
          Ascetic 20 November 2013 14: 10 New
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          Here is one example, when in many areas attempts were made to obtain the Moskit supersonic anti-ship missile, or 3M80 (according to the NATO classification - SN-22 Sunburn). The Americans wanted both the original Russian version and the modifications of the missile that the Russians sold around the world. Among those who tried to get this missile was a former Navy intelligence officer, Dale Stoffel, who retired began acquiring a foreign military technicians. In March 2001, he signed a contract with one of Boeing's subsidiaries called McDonnell Douglas for the supply of Mosquitoes. But he did not set everything that he had to. Stoffel was killed in Iraq in 2004 when he was trying to crank up another arms deal. Another industry veteran says that he also had a contract with the Navy for the supply of such a valuable trophy as Mosquito. There was an open channel for its acquisition, and there was a secret operation. In the end, he says, it was a complete mess.

          According to him, he acted openly, negotiating with one of the departments of the Russian armed forces. It was a peaceful time, and no one thought that the Russians and the Americans could enter into open war. Therefore, he says, the Russians were even ready to send 10 and more technicians to the US to demonstrate the rocket in action, and American scientists had the opportunity to evaluate how it works.

          Suddenly something went wrong. It turned out that another, covert operation was being conducted in parallel in order to obtain the same rocket. Major GRU (Russian military intelligence) called him and said that the situation was complicated.

          “A Russian intelligence operation has been opened in Russia,” he said.
          The businessman knew that the only chance for him to avoid the fate of people like Pope was to flee from Moscow, and immediately. He called his Russian partners, said he urgently needed to leave and ordered a ticket for the next flight to London.
          The bribery case draws attention to the secret US Department of Defense's procurement of foreign weapons. ("Defense News", USA)
        2. GSH-18
          GSH-18 20 November 2013 14: 26 New
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          Quote: Ascetic
          The United States managed to acquire the X-31 aviation cruise missiles,

          Yes, you are right. Long read this news, confused. Thanks for clarifying.
          It turns out that the Americans are systematically working to improve naval missile defense. They made conclusions and there are likely to be results, they do not advertise.
  • HollyGremlin
    HollyGremlin 20 November 2013 11: 12 New
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    "for which control systems and engines were made in Russia" And what else is there in the rocket? what
  • 09061982
    09061982 20 November 2013 11: 17 New
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    And what is Onyx inferior to Granite ????
    1. leon-iv
      leon-iv 20 November 2013 11: 44 New
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      theoretically range and mass warhead.
      1. Kipish
        Kipish 20 November 2013 13: 50 New
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        even weighing 7t versus 3, because at such speeds the kinetic component will also not be small, well, the granite has an armored head that even our AK-630 with 30mm spruces through, and I think they will scratch their skin with a 20mm phalanx.
  • Nayhas
    Nayhas 20 November 2013 11: 48 New
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    On Yasen 32 Caliber fits, how many Onyxes will there be?
  • PLO
    PLO 20 November 2013 12: 00 New
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    Severodvinsk, Arkhangelsk and Severstal exchange greeting beeps winked
    just like whales in a hawk)
    By the way, Severodvinsk goes exactly to these tests

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    1. saturn.mmm
      saturn.mmm 20 November 2013 13: 24 New
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      Quote: olp
      Arkhangelsk and Severstal

      And what is heard about their future fate is really cut.
  • chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 20 November 2013 13: 02 New
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    Harnessed slowly, let's hope, according to the saying, go fast.
  • saturn.mmm
    saturn.mmm 20 November 2013 13: 23 New
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    In my opinion, this is the best news this month.
  • ilya_oz
    ilya_oz 20 November 2013 13: 43 New
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    Is it possible to load the Kh-55 cruise missile (or something newer, if available) on the boat instead of the Onyx? And the range is somehow not at all impressive.
    1. saturn.mmm
      saturn.mmm 20 November 2013 15: 08 New
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      Quote: ilya_oz
      Is it possible to load the Kh-55 cruise missile (or something newer, if available) on the boat instead of the Onyx?

      X-55 is not an anti-ship missile.
      X-55 is intended for use against strategically important stationary ground targets with previously known coordinates.
      1. ilya_oz
        ilya_oz 20 November 2013 17: 52 New
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        But should Apple be able to strike at remote ground targets? Or just onyx?
        1. rudolff
          rudolff 20 November 2013 18: 16 New
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          If you are talking about Severodvinsk, then the Caliber includes 3m14, which is just intended for work on the "ground".
          1. ilya_oz
            ilya_oz 25 November 2013 00: 56 New
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            But isn't 3m14 inferior in range to the X-55?
  • Ruslan Bear
    Ruslan Bear 20 November 2013 15: 26 New
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    and in the subject; news of the day the American Aegis destroyer could not intercept a subsonic missile; it hit the ship and injured 2 sailors. These are the things comrades
  • Armata
    Armata 20 November 2013 16: 48 New
    +1
    Found something to be proud of. This rocket took off for the first time in the 80 year. Adopted in the 82 year. You can shout that this is a thunderstorm for everyone, but I have a question. Where are the new developments after the 86 year?
    1. MURANO
      MURANO 20 November 2013 16: 53 New
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      [quote = Mechanic]
      By the decree of the government of Russia from 23.09.2002, the anti-ship missile system 3M55 "Onyx" was adopted by the Navy
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 20 November 2013 17: 16 New
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        Quote: MURANO
        By the decree of the government of Russia from 23.09.2002, the anti-ship missile system 3M55 "Onyx" was adopted by the Navy

        Again, after decommissioning under Yeltsin hi
    2. andrei332809
      andrei332809 20 November 2013 16: 58 New
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      Quote: Mechanic
      Found something to be proud of. This rocket took off for the first time in the 80 year. Adopted in the 82 year. You can shout that this is a thunderstorm for everyone, but I have a question. Where are the new developments after the 86 year?

      Who is adopted by the 82?
      on the topic, it's just a test of the ship. Now they will shoot back, see how the systems work, and for painting. usually live firing is the last stage of the can’s test.
      and the product itself in the series. just so far, well, a very modest order from the naval request
    3. Odysseus
      Odysseus 20 November 2013 17: 22 New
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      Quote: Mechanic
      Found something to be proud of. This rocket took off for the first time in the 80 year. Adopted in the 82 year. You can shout that this is a thunderstorm for everyone, but I have a question. Where are the new developments after the 86 year?

      Uh, isn’t the first test with the submarine in 92? From a ship somewhere in the middle of the 80's.
      Well, in general, we are now not up to the fat, they brought to mind the rocket and submarine, and thank God.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 20 November 2013 17: 25 New
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        Quote: Odyssey
        From a ship somewhere in the mid-80s.
        Well, in general, we are now not up to the fat, they brought to mind the rocket and submarine, and thank God.

        In 86, he was in service.
        1. MURANO
          MURANO 20 November 2013 17: 31 New
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          Quote: Alexander Romanov

          In 86, he was in service.

          RCC tests were supposed to begin in 1987, but in 1987 only a 3M55 missile was launched from the Nakat MRK pr.1234.7, after which the MRK was adopted. And there is no RCC. hi
      2. Armata
        Armata 20 November 2013 17: 27 New
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        Quote: Odyssey
        Uh, isn’t the first test with the submarine in 92? From a ship somewhere in the middle of the 80's.
        Well, in general, we are now not up to the fat, they brought to mind the rocket and submarine, and thank God.
        It was adopted in the 82 year. And when the deliveries began, I can’t know, but when they served on Ustinov at 87, they already were, though not in our pencil cases.
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          1. Odysseus
            Odysseus 20 November 2013 17: 33 New
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            Quote: MURANO
            Actually, Onyx never stood on Ustinovo

            I understand that the Mechanic served on Ustinov, not Onyx smile
            1. MURANO
              MURANO 20 November 2013 17: 37 New
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              Quote: Odyssey
              I understand that the mechanic served on Ustinov, not Onyx smile

              Fixed wink
        2. Odysseus
          Odysseus 20 November 2013 17: 30 New
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          Quote: Mechanic
          It was adopted in 82. And when the deliveries began I can’t know, but when they served on Ustinov in 87 they already were, though not in our pencil cases

          Hmm, I didn’t know, thanks.
          1. Sokol peruna
            Sokol peruna 20 November 2013 19: 37 New
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            After reading two posts uv. The mechanics made it clear that in fact his posts are not about Onyx, but about Mosquito.

            http://rbase.new-factoria.ru/missile/wobb/moskit/moskit.shtml
        3. 1c-inform-city
          1c-inform-city 21 November 2013 04: 34 New
          +1
          in 82, development began. Maybe you mean Mosquito, which was really adopted earlier in service
    4. 1c-inform-city
      1c-inform-city 21 November 2013 00: 07 New
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      In 1982, work began on the project of the P-800 Onyx missile launcher, the missile was put into service in 1992. After that, the p-1100 Yakhont was developed as an export option.The main differences in the guidance systems and the fuel used (reduction in range and combat load) .
  • 1c-inform-city
    1c-inform-city 20 November 2013 21: 45 New
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    [quote = 1c-inform-city] Unfortunately, all sources cite the characteristics of Yakhont (P 1100), which is exported. Therefore, there are no real data on Onyx (n 800). But it seems that Onyx has a different range and base because it is not limited by international treaties. For example, Yakhont has a speed of 2.5m, and Bramos 3m. Although the engines are the same and the same 3D55. The range depends on the given trajectory and the type of warhead. I would very much like to know that when finishing Bramos-2 the speed of 5000 km / h was announced, ours will use them, or at least technical solutions, or maybe we already have something?
  • voliador
    voliador 20 November 2013 21: 59 New
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    One successful launch is not an indicator yet. Moreover, with the development of modern air defense systems for ships, and even more so for a group of ships, it is necessary to make a multi-missile salvo.
  • Kasym
    Kasym 20 November 2013 22: 59 New
    +1
    I like this PL. The silhouette is very reminiscent of Project 971 Pike-B - probably the most beautiful after "Lyra". Painfully they say it turned out successful - the extreme "Cheetah" in my opinion was. I think this performance characteristics will be no worse. Good luck and that the number of dives equals the number of ascents.
  • Vadim12
    Vadim12 21 November 2013 07: 33 New
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    One launch is not enough. And which one with truncated TTH-domestic or which is joint with India?