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The Curse of Bolshevism: the cult of peasantry

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What may be obvious to mere mortals is not always obvious to Ukrainian politicians and experts. At the same time, if earlier I thought that the representatives of our elite were talking nonsense, they are fooling me, but lately I have been inclined to think that they are sincere in their madness. This is hard to believe, but Kiev political analyst Andrei Vajra is right in calling Ukrainian officials oligophrenic. Let me once again quote an excerpt from the article "On some manifestations of oligophrenia in Ukrainian politics", which was published back in January 2006:


“Anyone who has the joy of communicating with Ukrainian politicians / officials can easily point out a number of distinctive features of their mental organization, among which the main ones are the weakness of abstract thinking and the inability to generalize. At the same time, it’s purely substantive, concrete, situational thinking of this social stratum of Ukrainian society is characterized by a striking primitiveness of judgment. The horizon of the leaders of Ukrainian politics is extremely narrow, it is characterized by a poor vocabulary, a simplified construction of phrases, frank illiteracy. Attention and memory are generally weakened, although some of them have a well-developed mechanical memory with selective memorization of certain facts, names, figures. It should also be noted that the sovereign husbands of Ukraine have significantly reduced the level of motivation and initiative, activity, as a rule, devoid of meaningfulness, consistency, and often purposefulness.Most of the representatives of the Ukrainian political elite are characterized by heightened suggestibility, inability to logical understanding of events facts and facts, lack of ability to make adequate decisions not only in difficult, but even fairly simple situations, as well as low self-criticality.

Do you know what is the most interesting in the above described portrait of a typical representative of the Ukrainian political elite? The fact that he gives clear symptoms of such a group of mental diseases as oligophrenia, characterized by congenital or acquired mental underdevelopment in early childhood. It sounds unbelievable, but oligophrenic ruling Ukraine, in the truest sense of the word! No, of course, most of our political elite (with rare exceptions) do not have such severe forms of oligophrenia as idiocy or imbecility, but the fact that its main mass is on the verge between moronity (mild oligophrenia) and the lower limit of the norm (manifested before total in dementia) is a fact! "

Well, the diagnosis of Vajra is severe but fair. However, if someone thinks that a Ukrainian is by nature incompetent and vicious, then I categorically disagree. Ukrainian nature is generously endowed with talents, which is the mass of evidence in the past and present. Only all these talents cannot unfold in Ukraine for a number of objective reasons, rooted in Ukrainian. history.

A huge pig for the Ukrainians was planted by the Bolsheviks when they founded the Ukrainian national state. The fact is that the criterion of selection in Ukraine was not knowledge and business acumen, but ethnicity. Imagine, two people are applying for the position of leader, for example, the Russified German and the native Ukrainian. The German may be much more talented, but a Ukrainian will be appointed as the head. After all, when choosing the leadership of "fraternal Ukraine," you should look at the public opinion of the titular nationality. And then fair competition goes into the background, the weather begins to make "Ukrainians". At the same time, under the Soviet command-administrative system, the violation of natural selection in URSR was not critical for the people and the state (for the sake of truth, the great merit of Soviet Ukrainizers in 32-33's hunger is worth noting). Ukraine’s leadership was not required to make responsible decisions or take initiative. Therefore, these human traits were atrophied by the Ukrainians. The main quality of the leaders of Ukraine was the ability to exquisitely flatter in Moscow and unconditionally fulfill the decisions of the leading and guiding party.

We laugh all the time from the way modern Ukrainian politicians roam across Europe and Russia, begging for preferences, seeking support from the powerful. Do you think they have become so today? No, the Soviet authorities made them such, having laid the gene of licensedness and sycophancy in the Ukrainian elite. Indeed, why bother, if you can go with the “Shmat” of fat to the first-altar, drink vodka, fight off the hopak and settle all the issues in the best possible way at the expense of Russia. Until now, the leaders of Ukraine have been resolving this way, not only in Moscow, but also in Brussels, Washington. Alas, that is the tradition.

In Ukraine, a lot of things decide communication. Qom is a high-class specialist of the widest profile. Do you think by chance? Not at all. Ukraine is peasantry. The so-called Ukrainian nation was fashioned not from the Russian city, but from the village. And in the village, family ties and close acquaintance were always of great importance. Unlike individual townspeople, villagers live in community. These are the rules. A well-known expression, my hut on the edge, speaks not about the clearly expressed individualism of Ukrainians, but only about the attitude to property. Besides, which of the villagers is the elite? Only this, what we see today in the walls of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine: loud-voiced, pugnacious and primitive-minded.

Modern Europe is the civilization of the city, and Ukraine is the "civilization of the village." Therefore, Ukrainians will never become Europeans. To do this, we must abandon our peasantry, and not cherish it in ourselves every second and plant it on top at the state level. But then Ukraine disappears with the whole set of its rural values. Then the Ukrainians must give up their titularity and compete on an equal basis with the Russians, including giving the state status to the Russian language. However, how can they go for it, if Ukrainian objective language cannot objectively compete with the Russian language, just as Ukrainian culture cannot compete with Russian imperial culture. Ukraine is a dead end of civilization.

Some say that Ukrainians are deprived of imperial ambitions. Nonsense. The fact of the matter is that Ukrainians-Little Russians are the imperial people. If they did not have a longing for the Empire, they would never have sought to be a Second France and would not compare themselves with the Europeans or Russians. For twenty-three years they would not give a damn about what was happening in neighboring Russia. They would live their quiet provincial life. But the fact of the matter is that Ukrainians want to feel like a great nation, to have their own great scientists, commanders, statesmen. They cannot find such in their history, therefore, willy-nilly, they have to turn on their imagination and write to the great those who were not great. We have to find a thousand excuses why in the past the Ukrainians did not succeed and the main excuse is Russia's imperial oppression. Say because of tsarism and sovietism, the Ukrainians have achieved nothing outstanding. Alas, it was thanks to Russia that the genius of many prominent Little Russians took place. The great is born in the great. The cult of peasantry is the cult of the small. But the main problem of Ukrainians is that peasantry and statehood are contraindicated to each other. The cult of the village inevitably leads to the collapse of statehood.
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  1. Volodya Sibiryak
    Volodya Sibiryak 21 November 2013 08: 32
    19
    Well, again, the Bolsheviks are to blame, a hackneyed record.
    1. IS-80
      IS-80 21 November 2013 10: 51
      +5
      Quote: Volodya Sibiryak
      Well, again, the Bolsheviks are to blame, a hackneyed record.


      And who else? They, and since the era of the Early Paleolithic. laughing
      1. dark_65
        dark_65 21 November 2013 17: 42
        +1
        the Bolsheviks are flesh from our flesh ... which means we are in shit.
  2. Dangerous
    Dangerous 21 November 2013 08: 38
    +8
    I can’t understand - the second article today about Ukraine and the nth account of everything, moreover, negative again. But listen, it’s impossible to spread rot against this country with such regularity.
    1. Canep
      Canep 21 November 2013 09: 42
      +3
      Quote: Dangerous
      But listen, it’s impossible to spread rot against this country with such regularity.
      People express their opinion about what is happening. If you have positive material about Ukraine, please post it, the people will discuss it.
      1. Dangerous
        Dangerous 21 November 2013 09: 47
        +4
        About Russia, you can also write in this vein - bureaucracy, crooks, thieves and lawlessness. But there is good news too, and we are all happy here together. And in Ukraine, too, there are probably a lot of good things, but they persistently write to us about the negative
        1. Ezhaak
          Ezhaak 21 November 2013 11: 14
          0
          Quote: Dangerous
          About Russia, you can also write in this vein

          So in fact they write the same. And not some foreign scribblers, but the most that neither is Russian journalists, or rather scribblers calling themselves "journalists". Aren't their writings not enough, But they have been writing for more than 20 years, as they put freedom of speech on the table. And they write in huge quantities. And about something really worthwhile, they write in a couple of inconspicuous lines. Does the site http://www.sdelanounas.ru/ have any relation to the capital and other "journalists"?
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      3. ammunition
        ammunition 21 November 2013 10: 24
        +2
        Quote: Canep
        If you have positive material about Ukraine, please post it, the people will discuss it.


        There is a suggestion.
        Abolish the very artificial "nationality" - Ukrainian. Because such an artificial introduction of "nationality" .. apart from harm to nobody not useful. Except our enemies.
        --------
        And the precedent is harmful. Just look - they will begin to introduce "nationalities" Uralets, Pomor, Sibiryak, Kazak .. etc.
        1. Dangerous
          Dangerous 21 November 2013 11: 24
          0
          And then what will they be?
          1. ammunition
            ammunition 21 November 2013 11: 39
            +2
            Quote: Dangerous
            And then what will they be?


            Who have always been. That is Russian.
            Remember Chekhov's story "The Duel". There, a resident of Kiev with a Little Russian surname says - "I am a Russian doctor!" And he speaks with pride. Before the revolution, no one even dreamed in a nightmare that ... for example ... Taras Bulba is not Russian.
    2. seller trucks
      seller trucks 21 November 2013 09: 45
      +2
      Quote: Dangerous
      it’s impossible to spread rot against this country with such regularity


      probably for you it will be news, but the article is taken firstly from a Ukrainian resource (RP) and secondly, written by a Ukrainian journalist, Vajra, KST, also Ukrainian, it turns out that this negative, the point of view of Ukrainians, in addition, the resources of Lunev ( RP) and Vyjry (Alternatiо) on self-sufficiency. And here's another thing, what if you have any questions about the article, write, specifically in what? I myself am from "these" and am ready to subscribe to every word. I have another question for you, how do you feel about the fact that people will be dissected in kosovorotki on Red Square, and women in kokoshniks, if you don’t dress like that, will be less Russian from this? and for them embroidered shirts and oseledets is the norm.

      and here's another thing:

      Herman van Rompuy, President of the European Council, called for a rethinking of the geographic and demographic parameters of the European Union and the abandonment of any attempts to restore national identity. Such concepts as “people” and “homeland”, according to him, should go to the dustbin of history.


      those. about trousers and embroidered shirts in the end you have to forget
      1. Dangerous
        Dangerous 21 November 2013 09: 54
        +4
        "The article was taken, firstly, from a Ukrainian resource (RP) and secondly, written by a Ukrainian journalist, Vajra, incidentally, is also a Ukrainian, it turns out that this negative, the point of view of Ukrainians" And how many sites in Russia ?? Just do not always pull out the worst and most negative news.
        "How do you feel about the fact that people in Red Square will dissect in kosovorotkas, and women in kokoshniks? and for them embroidered shirts and oseledets is the norm." Yes of course. This is about the same as if Nemtsov / Kasparov and others like them would come to America and begin to talk about drunks, felt boots and bears in Russia. Some kind of nonsense, the imposition of stereotypes that, as they say, it is not easy for Ukrainians to live outside of Russia. As they want, they live. Learn from mistakes sooner or later
        1. seller trucks
          seller trucks 21 November 2013 10: 18
          0
          Quote: Dangerous
          And how many sites in Russia ?? Just do not always pull out the worst and most negative news.


          how? Believe it or not, there are almost no "Kremlin-sponsored" sites in Russia, except for the official ones. popular ruxpert.ru Fritz Moiseevich Morgen (Oleg Makarenko) and Roman Kovrigin's "made with us" on self-financing and enthusiasm, if interested, find a conversation between Putin and Kovrigin on the net, informative. The Kremlin's most successful paid project is RT.

          Quote: Dangerous
          Yes of course. This is about the same as if Nemtsov / Kasparov and others like them would come to America and begin to talk about drunks, felt boots and bears in Russia. Some kind of nonsense, the imposition of stereotypes that, as they say, it is not easy for Ukrainians to live outside of Russia. As they want, they live. Learn from mistakes sooner or later


          partially answered in the first part, but these gentlemen with Western grants and other financing are all right.
    3. alone
      alone 21 November 2013 21: 50
      +1
      Quote: Dangerous
      I can’t understand - the second article today about Ukraine and the nth account of everything, moreover, negative again.


      Ukraine is going to the EU. Ukraine is bad, she wants to go to Europe, they are traitors.
      Ukraine has refused the EU. Ukraine is bad, it wants to go to Europe, they are traitors.

      people, you finally decide. What do you want from Ukraine?
  3. makarov
    makarov 21 November 2013 08: 41
    -1
    But the instructor is a dock guy,
    Business - try cut!
    And again the trouble began
    About the insidious abroad.
    V.S.

    Pillars went to our hut
    freedom, equality and fraternity;
    everything the slaves worked
    always works for slavery.
    И.Г.
  4. borisjdin1957
    borisjdin1957 21 November 2013 08: 48
    +6
    from the Don.
    And really, I’m fed up with reading about Ukraine! They’ll figure it out themselves. And whoever lacks information about Ukraine, read the Ukrainian media!
  5. domokl
    domokl 21 November 2013 09: 20
    +4
    My opinion is that when discussing Ukraine, we are talking completely about different Ukraine ..
    The first Ukraine is an independent independent state, which is trying how it can conduct its domestic and foreign policy.
    The second is that which does not want and cannot refuse the Russian past, about kindred feelings for Russians ...
    The third one, which considers itself no longer Ukraine, Europe. And they do not care at all about all these national troubles ..
    I think if you do not carry out a clear gradation of what you write about, you won’t get a sensible opinion. There will be one-sided judgments for controversy.
  6. the polar
    the polar 21 November 2013 09: 55
    +5
    "No, the Soviet government made them so, having laid the gene of sycophancy and sycophancy in the Ukrainian elite."
    ---------------------------------
    Author nerd. There can be no other comments on his writings.
    1. Anper
      Anper 21 November 2013 11: 13
      +2
      It is believed that the author of the article himself is on the verge between moronity (mild degree of oligophrenia) and the lower limit of the norm (manifested primarily in dementia)
  7. major071
    major071 21 November 2013 10: 03
    +5
    Indeed, these articles are already somehow annoying almost every day.
    Let Ukraine finally decide what it wants, or some live already in the West, others in Russia, and still others rush back and forth. The situation is like in a joke: The lion of all the animals has gathered and says - who is beautiful, become on the right side, who is smart - on the left. All animals were divided and scattered on selected sides, one monkey remained. Leo to her - what are you? She replied - And what should I break in two? laughing
  8. Backfire
    Backfire 21 November 2013 10: 06
    +3
    It's funny to read this article on a Russian resource.
    After all, it was to your "tsars" that Yanukovych somehow seemed pro-Russian and they put this imbecile on the kingdom. By the way, at your expense - for the fact that the United States allowed Putin to take control of Ukraine in 2010 paid from your pockets. Specifically - Russia continued to drive money earned from NON-RESTORABLE RESOURCES into the US Treasury. Well, the US President congratulated Yanukovych on his victory even before the official announcement of the official results of the 2nd round of the 2009-2010 presidential elections in Ukraine - unprecedentedly! But Obama is the President of the United States, so he did what was in the interests of the United States.

    So why am I. Tymoshenko has more IQs than Yanukovych and Yushchenko combined. Smart, ironic, she offered clear system solutions. It was she who tried to explain to the people that their main enemy is the Clans (Ukraine) and the system that generates clan power. And that they and Ukraine have no future if these clans remain in power.
    Unfortunately, the feed was not in the horse (or rather not in the horse). Now they say that in Ukraine during the day with fire you won’t find someone who admits that he voted for Yanukovych, but it’s too late to drink Borjomi, when the kidneys have fallen off - the train left.

    But there is no silver lining. Recently I watched on TV a conversation between Putin and Yanukovych - he is still a circus. Yanukovych is trying to ride Putin’s ears, and he sits, his jaw clenched, his hands clutching the armrests of the chair so that they have turned white, there’s not even hatred on his face - rage. And he can be understood, he made this stupid, nonsense urku with two walks and a third one (for raping a minor, by the way) made by the president (thinking that he could control him with the help of incriminating and near-mindedness Yanukovych), and he now twists his balls. Well, as they say, they saw eyes that they bought, now eat at least get out.
    1. ammunition
      ammunition 21 November 2013 10: 32
      0
      Quote: Backfire
      It's funny to read this article on a Russian resource.

      Hammer! Big fire. Cool comment! good
      1. George
        George 21 November 2013 11: 16
        0
        Quote: ammunition
        Big fire.

        I hope your knowledge of English does not turn out for you Unpleasant consequences , hi
    2. seller trucks
      seller trucks 21 November 2013 10: 42
      +2
      Quote: Backfire
      After all, it was to your "tsars" that Yanukovych somehow seemed pro-Russian and they put this imbecile on the kingdom.


      sho, are the Russians to blame again? And what kind of "cool" presidents were before Yanukovych, crystal "honest", decent (with everyone in order), and as their homeland they "loved", Ukraine almost became France under them, and this "Russian" Yanukovych came and ruined everything.

      Quote: Backfire
      US allows Putin to take control of Ukraine in 2010


      if this happened, the question of association, in principle, would no longer be there, Putin would not have missed this, utter rubbish, sir.
    3. IS-80
      IS-80 21 November 2013 10: 58
      +1
      Quote: Backfire
      So why am I. Tymoshenko has more IQs than Yanukovych and Yushchenko combined. Smart, ironic, she offered clear system solutions. It was she who tried to explain to the people that their main enemy is the Clans (Ukraine) and the system that generates clan power. And that they and Ukraine have no future if these clans remain in power.


      Thank you so much, leave it to yourself all so smart, ironic and systemic.
      Let Obama help. And we feel sorry for Little Russia. "These clans" do not suit her, well, it is clear who wants to share. It's much better when everything is in your pocket.
    4. Ezhaak
      Ezhaak 21 November 2013 11: 28
      +2
      Quote: Backfire
      Tymoshenko has more IQs than Yanukovych and Yushchenko combined. Smart, ironic, she offered clear system solutions. It was she who tried to explain to the people that their main enemy is the Clans (Ukraine) and the system that generates clan power

      And immediately a couple of questions. To enhance my IQ /
      Who in the states was appointed president for exceptional IQ. Is there at least one example?
      That Julia yelled about the Clans, having her own. She screamed very loudly: Hold the thief! Probably because of its high IQ. And even her high IQ cannot hide her primitive method of simulating a disease.
    5. HollyGremlin
      HollyGremlin 21 November 2013 12: 15
      +1
      It seems that the commentary on the case is the right thought, but the tone of which says everything, personally to me, really does not like it. In every sentence one can feel "someone else's love for Russia":
      1. usa allowed the sun to shine, and fish to swim.
      2. How do you feel sorry for our irreparable resources.
      3. Tymoshenko’s IQ may be high - I don’t know, only now she is not resting in the Maldives.
      4. "There is a silver lining" Is it good in your opinion that I understand that Putin and Yanukovych cannot find a common language (to put it mildly), or that fraternal peoples live separately and snap at each other?
  9. EvilLion
    EvilLion 21 November 2013 11: 11
    +1
    It's not just the Bolsheviks and not even so much. Moscow's brains were compiled with the Pereyaslavskaya Rada, for the Rada itself was to a very great displeasure of the Cossack sergeant, since Moscow did not want to allow to steal. And just after the merger, the Cossacks moved to the local administration.
  10. Bandera
    Bandera 21 November 2013 11: 59
    0
    Ukraine is a dead end of civilization.

    Why publish articles by the Ukrainophobe and amateur "khokhlosrachev" Sergei Lunev on Voennoye Obozreniye? Is it really possible to increase the self-esteem of the majority of readers?
    The article does not say a word about military or military topics. There is no analysis of the political or economic situation.
    When a person is flawed and underdeveloped, he begins to look for flaws in others.

    Administration, why put this opus on the pages of a popular analytical news site?
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 21 November 2013 12: 04
      +1
      you need to know all points of view, including the insane.
    2. Peaceful military
      Peaceful military 21 November 2013 13: 43
      0
      Quote: Bandera
      Ukraine is a dead end of civilization.

      Why publish articles by the Ukrainophobe and amateur "khokhlosrachev" Sergei Lunev on Voennoye Obozreniye? Is it really possible to increase the self-esteem of the majority of readers?
      The article does not say a word about military or military topics. There is no analysis of the political or economic situation.
      When a person is flawed and underdeveloped, he begins to look for flaws in others.

      Administration, why put this opus on the pages of a popular analytical news site?

      And what is wrong in the article? We exclude emotionality (pro and oligophrenics).
      1. Cat
        Cat 21 November 2013 14: 20
        0
        Quote: Peaceful military
        And what is wrong in the article? We exclude emotionality (pro and oligophrenics).

        yes dofiga what is wrong ...
        In particular, about "nepotism" and family ties. Without delving into the wilds of history, let's take only the post-Soviet period: real nepotism was under Yushchenko, but under Kuchma and Yanukovych - "Dnipropetrovsk" and "Donetsk", respectively. And how they differ from the same "St. Petersburg", I personally do not understand. And EBN, with his "family", will give Yushchenko a head start of 100 points.
        Yet again:
        Quote: Author
        Modern Europe is the civilization of the city, and Ukraine is the "civilization of the village".

        Quote: Author
        In Ukraine, communications solve a lot. Kum is an upscale specialist of the broadest profile. Think by accident? Not at all. Ukraine is a village. The so-called Ukrainian nation is not molded from the Russian city, namely, from the village

        It is not a secret for anyone that the level of education in any Cambridge, Oxford, and other Harvards there is no better than the level of most other universities. But the powers that be in all countries give their children to the designated specific universities. Why is also not a secret to anyone: so that the little one does not study there so much as make acquaintances with the children of other powers that be, in order to facilitate a further career in business or politics. How this approach is fundamentally different from the notorious "nepotism" - again, it is not clear.
        Or remember the Kennedy clan, the Rothschilds-Rockefellers, the Bushes - the first and the second, and so on, and so on ... that in politics, that in business - all the time relatives. But - they can, because - "city". But the Ukrainians do not care, because they are not asphalted village.

        In general, the whole article is an attempt to throw mud at one particular country in general and its politicians in particular. And nothing more. With minor amendments, it can be applied to most countries in the world - it will look quite authentic. Because the matter is not in the country under discussion, but in who exactly pays the author. Well, or whom the author "loves" to such an extent that he agrees to throw mud at him for free. =)
        1. EvilLion
          EvilLion 21 November 2013 15: 52
          0
          Here you can immediately see the villagers reasoning. In fact, between the Russians in Russia and the Russians in the same Galicia, under Austria, there was always a huge difference, the first imperial people, the second to the same level were not allowed.
          1. Cat
            Cat 21 November 2013 16: 47
            +1
            Quote: EvilLion
            Here you can immediately see the villagers reasoning. In fact, between the Russians in Russia and the Russians in the same Galicia, under Austria, there was always a huge difference, the first imperial people, the second to the same level were not allowed.

            an argument from the series "and our master has an ancient clan, a field wider, and a belly thicker". Who was there talking about servile thinking? Obviously you, and you like the "Russian", had in mind.
  11. vikov
    vikov 21 November 2013 12: 32
    +2
    It’s not necessary to call 45 million people oligophrenic a lot of mind, or rather, you don’t have to have it at all, because when you come around, it will come back, someone really wants to increase the degree of separation.
  12. Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 21 November 2013 13: 18
    +2
    Harsh, but to the point.
    But the Bolsheviks have nothing to do with it. Separatism in Little Russia was cultivated long before the Bolsheviks, one Mazepa worth. And what separatism is based on, the idea of ​​singularity. They are special, ancient and proud, you know, but in the subconscious, we are better.
    Stalin was forced to preserve the territorial division, on a conditionally ethnic basis, after the "parade" of suverinets, which happened as a result of the collapse of the Empire. But it is known that Stalin's plans included the gradual elimination of this division. He had a lot of things in his plans, a company of figures, led by a former Little Russian, stopped all this, thereby triggering the collapse of the USSR.
    1. EvilLion
      EvilLion 21 November 2013 15: 52
      0
      Separatism is based on the desire to steal without reporting to the center, the rest is cover.
    2. Sour
      Sour 21 November 2013 16: 01
      0
      Quote: Peaceful military
      But it is known that Stalin's plans included the gradual elimination of this division.

      It’s very easy to give an assumption as a fact. But do not do this.
      Because unproven.
      Stalin not only did nothing to eliminate the national-territorial division, but also successfully produced new republics.
      At the time Stalin came to power, the USSR consisted of 4 union republics.
      And at the time of his death, the union republics were already 16, i.e. four times more.
      These are facts, not assumptions.
      1. Peaceful military
        Peaceful military 21 November 2013 16: 13
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        Quote: Sour
        Quote: Peaceful military
        But it is known that Stalin's plans included the gradual elimination of this division.

        It’s very easy to give an assumption as a fact. But do not do this.
        Because unproven.
        Stalin not only did nothing to eliminate the national-territorial division, but also successfully produced new republics.
        At the time Stalin came to power, the USSR consisted of 4 union republics.
        And at the time of his death, the union republics were already 16, i.e. four times more.
        These are facts, not assumptions.

        There were 15 allies, and this does not mean that Stalin did not plan to change the territorial structure. Union republics did not appear as a result of fragmentation (except for the union of the Transcaucasus), but as a result of the return of the empire lost during the collapse. I can’t prove it by showing the document, but I rely on the research of historians I respect, such as A.I. Fursov, etc. Like you can not prove the opposite. hi
        1. Sour
          Sour 21 November 2013 16: 20
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          Quote: Peaceful military
          Allied was 15

          You have problems with the history of the USSR.
          There were 16 union republics at the time of Stalin's death.
          The Karelian-Finnish SSR was abolished in 1956, already under Khrushchev.
          And at the time Stalin came to power, there were four republics - the RSFSR, the Ukrainian SSR, the BSSR, and the ZSFSR.
          These are elementary things from a history textbook. In order to know this, there is absolutely no need to read anyone A.I. Fursov.
          And I do not prove anything. I do not have the habit of giving my (or others) assumptions as facts. What hotel Stalin in matters of national territ. division, I do not know, and no one will know this. And here is what he really made in this area, it is known.
          1. Peaceful military
            Peaceful military 22 November 2013 00: 15
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            Quote: Sour
            Quote: Peaceful military
            Allied was 15

            You have problems with the history of the USSR.
            There were 16 union republics at the time of Stalin's death.
            The Karelian-Finnish SSR was abolished in 1956, already under Khrushchev.
            And at the time Stalin came to power, there were four republics - the RSFSR, the Ukrainian SSR, the BSSR, and the ZSFSR.
            These are elementary things from a history textbook. In order to know this, there is absolutely no need to read anyone A.I. Fursov.
            And I do not prove anything. I do not have the habit of giving my (or others) assumptions as facts. What hotel Stalin in matters of national territ. division, I do not know, and no one will know this. And here is what he really made in this area, it is known.

            Blah, blah, blah, because, as a result, there were 15 of them and there is nothing to skimp on "sour" moments of history that do not change the essence.
            As for the fact that you, except as "sour" to argue on the principle of "the _rak", do not know how to say anything, then do not waste your energy, rest. hi