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The Swiss are preparing for a referendum on the introduction of communism

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The Swiss are preparing for a referendum on the introduction of communismSwitzerland will hold a referendum on the introduction of the so-called "unconditional" or "guaranteed basic income." The Swiss referendum is of great interest all over the world: if suddenly supporters of a “guaranteed basic income” turn out to be in the majority, Switzerland will become the world's first social state of a fundamentally new type.


The idea of ​​a "guaranteed basic income" is extremely simple: modern developed countries have long been rich enough to ensure a decent standard of living for all their citizens, and each of their residents should receive a certain amount from the government that will guarantee it a comfortable existence.

Swiss social reformers offer to pay a certain amount (for example, 2,500 Swiss francs, that is, about 2,800 dollars) to each adult resident of the country. They are not afraid that free money will deprive people of the incentive to work, - in their opinion, the overwhelming majority of the population will continue to work. Moreover, labor will become more meaningful and productive, since it will be motivated not by the fear of poverty, but by the desire to take a worthy place in society, to benefit, etc. Deprived of cheap labor for the poor, the economy will receive an additional incentive to introduce technological innovations that increase labor productivity - not to mention the beneficial social consequences of the total eradication of poverty.

With all its extravagance and even seeming “insanity”, the idea of ​​replacing a complex system of social benefits and benefits with one and the same government benefit for all has been seriously discussed in the West for more than a dozen years. The global movement for the introduction of guaranteed basic income, created in 1986 in Belgium, has evolved from a marginal group into a rather broad organization uniting economists and social activists from different countries.

The idea attracts not only the “left” advocates of social justice. The benefits of a “guaranteed basic income” are also advocated by radical libertarians, including such free market advocates like Milton Friedman.

“Liberal fundamentalists” believe that, as long as the modern welfare state still collects huge taxes and spends billions on supporting the poor, it’s better to divide this money equally among all citizens: this will at least eliminate the accumulation of bureaucratic structures that helping the poor, they themselves "eat up" a significant proportion of the tax funds allocated for this assistance. In addition, under such a system, citizens will choose for themselves what to spend government money, rather than receive it in the form of subsidies for various purposes determined by government officials.

Swiss law obliges to submit to the popular vote any initiative that brought together more 100,000 supporters. The initiators of the introduction of "guaranteed basic income" overcame this barrier in early October, and on November 24 every Swiss will be able to express his attitude to their idea. The initiators of the reform do not really hope to win: they believe that the idea is still too radical for conservative Swiss, but they expect that the referendum will at least make people seriously think about it, and over time, innovation will make its way into public opinion.

Enno Schmidt, the founder of the Swiss movement for the introduction of guaranteed basic income, explains that the principle of universal state benefits was put to the referendum, and not its amount - the group says “only for example” about 2,700 dollars, the amount of benefit is to be determined later in a separate discussion, and the reform development process at all levels of government will take from two to four years.

As the American magazine The Week notes, the idea of ​​guaranteed basic income was repeatedly advanced in the United States, although in much less radical ways: American economists suggested setting the size of guaranteed income at the “poverty line” level. The growth of interest in this idea is due, in particular, to the fact that in the past decades, the working poor in the USA is growing - wages no longer provide a decent existence in the lower labor force market, although wages of educated and qualified specialists are growing at an unprecedented pace. Many see that in their current form, the American and European "welfare state" does not reach the declared goals, and are looking for new ways to solve social problems.

The date of the referendum on the guaranteed basic income has not yet been announced. On November 24, the Swiss will hold a nationwide vote on another legislative initiative - on the introduction of a limit on the salaries of managers of joint-stock companies. If the initiative passes, top managers will not be able to receive more than 12 salaries of the lowest paid employee of their company.
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  1. Nitarius
    Nitarius 20 November 2013 08: 08
    -7
    Let all the countries-they will take them BABY. and then we’ll see where their COMMUNISM will play
    1. zart_arn
      zart_arn 20 November 2013 08: 25
      64
      From those grandmothers who are stored in Swiss banks, ordinary citizens do not fall into anything. Most of the citizens of Western Europe are honest, conscientious hardworkers who have earned their prosperity with their skilled labor. Switzerland is a country with perhaps the most skilled workforce in the world. Swiss quality has long been the benchmark. Therefore, we need not slander in our black envy, but to build the same fair society. Spiteful critics, honestly admit to yourself - I haven’t discovered America. yes
      PS By the way, the socialism described in the article has long existed in almost all developed European countries, the Swiss were simply the first to decide to provide it with a clear legislative framework.
      1. APES
        APES 20 November 2013 08: 39
        +1
        Quote: zart_arn
        Switzerland is the country with perhaps the most skilled workforce in the world.


        watches do, knives - what else?
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 20 November 2013 09: 01
          +5
          Quote: APES

          watches do, knives - what else?

          Nothing more laughing
          1. Stiletto
            Stiletto 20 November 2013 09: 37
            +7
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Nothing more


            But what about Swiss cheese - one that is all out of holes? laughing
            1. mivmim
              mivmim 20 November 2013 10: 36
              +1
              Russian is better. And Swiss cheese is just a hyped brand. The same can be said about watches and knives.
              1. rodevaan
                rodevaan 20 November 2013 10: 45
                +7
                Quote: mivmim
                Russian is better. And Swiss cheese is just a hyped brand. The same can be said about watches and knives.


                - Russian chocolate is also better. And tastier much, and environmentally cleaner.
                1. vanaheym
                  vanaheym 21 November 2013 04: 25
                  +1
                  Quote: rodevaan
                  And tastier much, and environmentally cleaner.

                  Russian chocolate is primarily Mars Russia (Nestle) / Kraft Foods / Ferrero / Orkla which control 80% of the market.
                  1. rodevaan
                    rodevaan 22 November 2013 08: 13
                    0
                    Quote: vanaheym
                    Quote: rodevaan
                    And tastier much, and environmentally cleaner.

                    Russian chocolate is primarily Mars Russia (Nestle) / Kraft Foods / Ferrero / Orkla which control 80% of the market.


                    - Did you eat Soviet? Or didn’t you find him already? I’m hinting at him ...
                    Although the PEPSI generation will probably not understand this ...
              2. atalef
                atalef 20 November 2013 12: 36
                13
                Quote: mivmim
                Russian is better. And Swiss cheese is just a hyped brand. The same can be said about watches and knives.

                You just didn’t eat real Swiss cheese and I think you don’t have real Swiss watches (I’m not saying that they show the time more accurately than Flight) well, the Lada is the same and it’s in traffic jam with Beha or Merce, but you must admit, the cars then different
                I don’t understand why they put Lenin (picture) in the title, in my opinion Switzerland just destroys all his postulates and teachings, into communism, bypassing socialism !!!!!

                But what about the class struggle and ownership of the means of production? And when will the lights of socialism like Cuba, Korea, and more recently Vinisuela come to something like this - or even remotely resembling Switzerland? But according to Lenin - Switzerland should lag far behind this most advanced three countries
                1. DimYang
                  DimYang 20 November 2013 13: 58
                  0
                  And what about the Rothschilds on this issue? It is they who control the entire Swiss Confederation.
                2. Gluxar_
                  Gluxar_ 20 November 2013 16: 02
                  +6
                  Quote: atalef
                  I don’t understand why they put Lenin (the picture) in the title, in my opinion Switzerland just destroys all his postulates and teachings into communism, bypassing socialism !!!!! But what about the class struggle and ownership of the means of production? And when will the lights of socialism like Cuba, Korea, and more recently Vinisuela come to something like this - or even remotely resembling Switzerland? But according to Lenin - Switzerland should lag far behind this most advanced three countries

                  You read Lenin poorly, if at all. Switzerland is just an exception confirming the rule. Switzerland is now at the stage of transition to socialism, not communism yet. And it is worth paying attention to.
                  On the other hand, Switzerland was and remains one of the first capitalist countries, but the internal mentality restrained the expansion of this capitalism abroad, because Switzerland was never drawn into major destructive wars, moreover, such wars only fed the welfare of the Swiss for centuries. This is what allowed her to accumulate a sufficient industrial level for a painless transition to a new stage in the development of society.
                  All the same, countries that, in weak material or technical development, embarked on the path of socialism, were immediately subjected to external aggression by developed and more powerful capitalist blocs, not even countries. And precisely because of this, socialist projects were stifled. Although there was an example of the USSR, which not only could withstand the pressure of the whole world, but also reached such a level of development that it could destroy the whole world on equal terms. And then two systems would begin to be built on the ruins, but with equal opportunities. Then capitalism would not have a chance. However, the situation with the USSR is also unique, for such people as Russians lived there.
                  1. Dart2027
                    Dart2027 20 November 2013 22: 35
                    +1
                    Switzerland did not fight because the strongest countries of Europe declared it a neutral territory for storing money. But the Swiss mercenaries fought very often.
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          2. saruman
            saruman 20 November 2013 12: 51
            10
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Quote: APES watches do, knives - what else? Nothing more


            Yes, a lot of what else they are doing. Just promoted brands are knives, watches, cheese and chocolate. The military-industrial complex is very developed in Switzerland, in particular, the well-known arms concern ZIG, civilian and hunting weapons are produced at the highest level of military equipment. including small arms companies. The production of machine tools and industrial equipment is very developed.
            Switzerland in terms of quantity and quality of weapons, including heavy (tanks, self-propelled guns, etc.), combat aircraft, is one of the five strongest European armies.
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 20 November 2013 14: 58
              +8
              And here I paid attention to something-
              Swiss law requires any popular initiative to bring together more than 100,000 supporters to vote.
              That is, it is enough to collect the signatures of 2 percent of the population, and a popular referendum is provided. We have at least 20 percent to collect, a referendum will not be allowed. am
            2. Mature naturalist
              Mature naturalist 20 November 2013 19: 07
              +4
              Quote: saruman
              Yes, a lot, what else do ... - knives

              I was in Switzerland, I bought a gift: a leather folder and a cot with a dozen tools - Wenger. This is a less promoted company than Victorinox, but also well-known.
              (Wenger is one of two companies producing Swiss Army knives.)
              I saw the houses on the folder: Made in China ...
            3. regsSSSR
              regsSSSR 20 November 2013 19: 49
              +2
              do not believe it anymore the other day I drove into a construction store (Leroy-Murlene) to buy firewood for chopping firewood in a summer house and this very incidentally good-forged firewood turned out to be made in Switzerland !! (not an assembly in China but real Swiss manufacture !! unbelievers) and for the price of a very democratic one thousand rubles. For example, the Russian one was only three hundred cheaper and its Finnish counterpart was already 2 tys ru. I myself was stunned I didn’t think that they just do such a thing, well, why is it asked in Switzerland, but I see you do it and export it!
          3. DimYang
            DimYang 20 November 2013 13: 56
            +4
            And a very good small weapon.
          4. vanaheym
            vanaheym 21 November 2013 04: 16
            0
            Of the Swiss Swiss companies, only six companies are associated with watch / cheese / chocolate / gourmand production: Nestle, Swatch, Rolex, Barry Callebaut, Lindt, Emmi,
          5. Horst78
            Horst78 21 November 2013 13: 19
            0
            Cheese, chocolate, weapons, medical equipment and much more.
        2. Gennady1973
          Gennady1973 20 November 2013 09: 10
          16
          APES. Kind time of the day! It doesn’t matter what they do knives, etc. Or they sit in banks at a percentage. We would have such a tip! When our parents and I are retired! We could at least end of life to go somewhere, relax and what then see ... And in our situation, only in the country, in an interesting pose, so that the pension would be enough to pay for the housing and communal services.
          1. HollyGremlin
            HollyGremlin 20 November 2013 09: 49
            +6
            We would at least have such a law: "Swiss law obliges to submit to a popular vote any initiative that has gathered more than 100,000 supporters." I think we quickly changed the current constitution.
            They make very expensive watches; they are bought by bankers who keep money. So, this is not a matter of qualification. Creating a convenient banking system is certainly an achievement for them, only banks do not launch rockets and the poor are not fed. Those who keep money in their banks are ultra-rich. Those. they earn money by material stratification of other states.
            1. Egoza
              20 November 2013 12: 13
              +5
              Quote: HollyGremlin
              We would at least have such a law: "Swiss law obliges to submit to a popular vote any initiative that has gathered more than 100,000 supporters." I think we quickly changed the current constitution.

              I fully support. And they are not afraid to listen to the opinion of the people. Not that we have in Ukraine, signatures for referenda are all covered by cloth or are prohibited by the court !!! am
          2. APES
            APES 20 November 2013 09: 54
            0
            Quote: Gennady1973
            APES. Good day


            Good day! hi

            As of 2012, the population of Switzerland is about 8 million people. - almost like in St. Petersburg

            Switzerland is a country that has never been bombed, why?
            1. DimYang
              DimYang 20 November 2013 13: 59
              +4
              The Rothschilds must be asked.
        3. zart_arn
          zart_arn 20 November 2013 09: 18
          18
          APES, Alexander Romanov, you are looking at Swiss production from the level of, sorry, housewives. This is how the narrow-minded Europeans think about Russia - vodka and nesting dolls (although now, to our great regret and disappointment, they are even closer to the Kistina). You, apparently, are far from the issues of mechanical engineering and instrument making, so I will briefly explain that Switzerland, in addition to "watches" and "knives", also produces various and incredibly complex "machines", "machine tools", "instruments", and other "gizmos", quality which we never dreamed of. One Swiss hydraulics is worth something; those who are aware of the topic understand what I mean. So we have something to strive for and something to learn.
          PS "Watch" of this quality is also an indicator.
          1. APES
            APES 20 November 2013 09: 50
            +7
            Quote: zart_arn
            far from questions of mechanical engineering and instrument making


            not at all - I work there, I just wanted to mock

            Quote: zart_arn
            other "gizmos", the quality of which we never dreamed of


            therefore I will add a little - in Russia there are all sorts of "shtukovin" - which are not something that they have not dreamed of, which they cannot even think of.

            All that you have listed - if desired, can be made in Russia, and with quality, and even more I will say - better.

            Quote: zart_arn
            vodka and nesting dolls


            What do you have against our Matryoshka dolls? No.
            1. zart_arn
              zart_arn 20 November 2013 09: 58
              +7
              What I am saying is that we must work and live the same way, and maybe even better. I have nothing against vodka and nesting dolls - they firmly hold their place in the market, as well as "watches" and "knives". But you mocked not the Swiss, but the Russians, if "in the subject" - it's not very beautiful, not everyone will understand. Although, it may be correct.
              1. APES
                APES 20 November 2013 12: 26
                +4
                Quote: zart_arn
                I’m talking about that, and we must work the same way.


                disagree - dislike - "should do the same", it looks like a statement -
                "Russians don't know how to work"

                Russians just need to be given the opportunity to work normally and create all conditions for creativity and development - the world will change quickly - for the better.

                Quote: zart_arn
                I’m talking about that, and we should live the same way, and maybe better


                The question is, what's stopping you? wink
                1. DimYang
                  DimYang 20 November 2013 14: 06
                  +5
                  Quote: APES
                  The question is, what's stopping you?


                  Our percentage of depreciation is calculated differently. They have it correspondingly higher, which is why the conversion is fast and the quality is appropriate. It all depends on the law. Hence the conclusion - someone (we will not point a finger) is interested in destroying our industry. The legislative branch of power cannot or does not want to fix it, or it can be both. And the executive looks where you can’t blame everything because of a mound or internal heaps. Apparently something is wrong with us. Well, we know how to work much better than them. This is our not very distant past confirmed.
                  1. APES
                    APES 20 November 2013 14: 26
                    +3
                    Quote: dimyan
                    interested in destroying our industry


                    so Chubais himself admitted this - that "they" did first of all
                  2. ele1285
                    ele1285 20 November 2013 14: 57
                    +2
                    I fully support. We have on the steering wheel in the state perforated on a pierced
            2. Egoza
              20 November 2013 12: 18
              +5
              Quote: APES
              All that you have listed - if desired, can be made in Russia, and with quality, and even more I will say - better.

              I do not doubt that. However, the question is - to whom will the profit go? Now, if such a law was introduced "on the introduction of a limit on the salaries of managers of joint-stock companies. If the initiative passes, top managers will not be able to receive more than 12 salaries of the lowest paid employee of their company." - would be a completely different result for both Russia and Ukraine. "Creative managers" have already stolen from us, and it would be quite "soft", without any blood, to restore social justice.
              1. APES
                APES 20 November 2013 12: 51
                +5
                Quote: Egoza
                the question is - who will profit?


                the question is different: it is now "more profitable" to import, rather than create - this must be changed.

                Quote: Egoza
                if such a law "on the introduction of a limit


                I know a sufficient number of people who organized their business from scratch (did not appropriate someone else's, but created it) - from the field of high-tech, high-tech. I think they deserve the money they earn (I emphasize earn) - more, the people who work for them (valuable specialists) - are satisfied with their income, and
                Quote: Egoza
                "creative managers

                they don’t take root there, our state loves them .........
                1. Egoza
                  20 November 2013 14: 42
                  +3
                  Quote: APES
                  I know a sufficient number of people who organized their business from scratch (did not appropriate someone else's, but created it) - from the field of high-tech, high-tech. I think they deserve the money they earn (I emphasize earn) - more, the people who work for them (valuable specialists) - are satisfied with their income,

                  Right! And I know those. But the whole point is that the person who created his company from scratch will appreciate the specialists and workers who helped him in the formation of this business. He will not underestimate their salary, and he will not steal from them. Only here (in Ukraine) you can count such on the fingers.
            3. faraon
              faraon 20 November 2013 12: 51
              +1
              All that you have listed - if desired, can be made in Russia, and with quality, and even more I will say - better.

              And in China it is cheaper and cheaper, but the question is neither in this, but in the quality of the assembly, the attitude to the manufactured products. culture of production. And it all started with a watch and legs.
              1. APES
                APES 20 November 2013 14: 02
                +4
                Quote: faraon
                China is still cheaper

                it's easy to change
                Quote: faraon
                but that's not the point

                the question is that when the USSR began to fully satisfy its needs - a crisis arose in the capitalist world - global
                in response, the "world" gave birth to Hitler, who was pushed against Russia and as a result your Motherland arose.

                Russia is able to fully provide for itself - EVERYTHING is afraid of it and EVERYTHING is done to prevent this.
            4. Doctorleg
              Doctorleg 20 November 2013 14: 33
              +1
              [quote = APES] [quote = zart_arn] are far from issues of mechanical engineering and instrumentation [/ quote]

              not at all - I work there, I just wanted to mock

              [quote = zart_arn] other "gizmos", the quality of which we never dreamed of [/ quote]

              therefore I will add a little - in Russia there are all sorts of "shtukovin" - which are not something that they have not dreamed of, which they cannot even think of.

              All that you have listed - if desired, can be made in Russia, and with quality, and even more I will say - better.

              [quote = zart_arn] vodka and nesting dolls [/ quote]

              Is there no desire? That's constantly - they came up with a better one, but we don’t do it (with the exception of military equipment). Because of laziness, probably wink
              1. sq
                sq 20 November 2013 16: 09
                -4
                Quote: DoctorOleg
                Because of laziness, probably

                hardly, rather because of the typical Slavic trait - envy. Especially among the "tigers", more often the so-called "creative".
                1. Ytfluunu
                  Ytfluunu 20 November 2013 16: 13
                  +2
                  with what fright is envy a typical Slavic trait?
          2. mivmim
            mivmim 20 November 2013 10: 41
            0
            Quote: zart_arn
            PS "Watch" of this quality is also an indicator.

            Well, their quality is ordinary. break as well as everyone else.
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            2. Soldier
              Soldier 20 November 2013 11: 13
              +7
              Quote: mivmim
              Quote: zart_arn
              PS "Watch" of this quality is also an indicator.

              Well, their quality is ordinary. break as well as everyone else.

              Your friend is not true. If it is mechanical Switzerland-Switzerland (and not Switzerland-China, or Quartz-China), then the equipment is reliable. ,, Certificate, I’ve been carrying it for 15 years, and not just breaking, not a single scratch. All polygons and jumps I went with me. And I never took pictures in the water. And the Bati ,, Tavennes ,, - like that in general, is 1893, and they go after all. Of course, I would like for ,, our native, with both hands, but the same ,, commander’s, I didn’t see such quality, at least for about 15 years.
              1. alex13-61
                alex13-61 20 November 2013 11: 45
                +2
                [quote = Armeec], but the same ,, commander’s, of similar quality did not see, at least 15 years for sure.

                carried the "amphibian" for many years, in general, did not remove it ... they fell with such force that one of the three bolts of the mechanism fastening lost the cap ... and they go ... minus: glass-plastic, crown - brass (corroded at constant sock) And so the clock is a "bomb", no "Switzerland" is needed
                1. faraon
                  faraon 20 November 2013 12: 59
                  +4
                  Yes, I also have "commanders" since 1986, a gift from the command, there are no complaints, but what they look like outwardly, the body is peeled off the glass is dull, the hand is green. And the "Pavel Bure" of my great-grandfather on a chain (not gold-annotation) also goes yes there are scratches but still the same, taking into account the years of presentation. This is the conversation, and not about the fact that we were the first to go into space.
            3. Marek Rozny
              Marek Rozny 20 November 2013 21: 08
              0
              Quote: mivmim
              Well, their quality is ordinary. break as well as everyone else.

              oh don't tell. I have budget "continental" and "romance". I have been wearing it for over 10 years. never let you down. unlike "Swiss" ones collected under an official license in China and from Russian ones.
              I usually wear a Japanese watch for outdoor activities. also superb quality, but they are with a limited lifespan, sooner or later something breaks there.
            4. mivmim
              mivmim 21 November 2013 00: 44
              -2
              Moreover, the Swiss were spotted stealing the details of Soviet, Russian watches.
              1. faraon
                faraon 21 November 2013 04: 56
                +1
                The theft of spare parts for watches is certainly not good, but for some reason in Russian watches it is not by ear or even brand. And Switzerland is real yes. If everything is so good, Russia does not live like Switzerland.
        4. demon184
          demon184 20 November 2013 09: 29
          +1
          Make money
          1. Anper
            Anper 20 November 2013 12: 07
            +5
            My friends, this guaranteed basic income is provided not only by the fact that they make money, but by robbery in the form of $ 1 child salaries somewhere in Indonesia - it’s more convenient for children to collect two parts with their fingers, and only then the magnificent Swiss will make these two parts no less magnificent Swiss Watches. And they will put the difference in their own Swiss pocket and provide their citizens with a comfortable life in a single state.
        5. bulvas
          bulvas 20 November 2013 09: 34
          +6
          Quote: APES
          Quote: zart_arn
          Switzerland is the country with perhaps the most skilled workforce in the world.


          watches do, knives - what else?


          Oerlikon - one of the best anti-aircraft guns. Invented, however, by a German, but was developed in Switzerland
          1. APES
            APES 20 November 2013 10: 03
            +3
            Quote: bulvas
            Invented in Switzerland


            Absinthe,

            further LSD

            one of the directions of their pharmacology is fully funded by the government, and by the governments of the countries concerned - drugs.

            Moreover, as scientists, as a rule, it’s not the Swiss who work, but the geniuses gathered around the world.
          2. rodevaan
            rodevaan 20 November 2013 10: 56
            +1
            Quote: bulvas
            Quote: APES
            Quote: zart_arn
            Switzerland is the country with perhaps the most skilled workforce in the world.


            watches do, knives - what else?


            Oerlikon - one of the best anti-aircraft guns. Invented, however, by a German, but was developed in Switzerland


            - Muzzle on the avatar, - noble! Wrinkled forehead, very smart :)))
        6. Horn
          Horn 20 November 2013 12: 05
          +4
          Very good weapons are made in Switzerland. Metalworking is up there.
        7. sever123
          sever123 20 November 2013 12: 12
          +6
          Machine tools, textile and printing machines, measuring instruments, ICE, electric locomotives, pharmaceutical products.
        8. alexng
          alexng 20 November 2013 12: 30
          +5
          They produce a lot of automation elements: almost the entire line of sensors and flow meters, and other field attributes. They also work very closely in cooperation with leading manufacturers of technological equipment. To date, everything they produce is of excellent quality and reliability.
        9. Mikhail3
          Mikhail3 20 November 2013 13: 39
          +7
          Instruments. Moreover, those that can be inherited, but they look and work as if from a factory. Weapons Electronics And in the mass market you will not find it, such electronics is exclusively for the best. Ultraprecise machines. The best in the world, for the most complex and accurate work. Turbines, electric motors, marine engines .... As an engineer, I really, really respect these magnificent workers, real craftsmen.
        10. Gluxar_
          Gluxar_ 20 November 2013 15: 51
          +7
          Quote: APES
          watches do, knives - what else?

          Your comment is extremely stupid. The share of industry in Switzerland is more than almost 50% in the United States. Up to a third of GDP is created by industry, this is more than in Germany.
          Switzerland is one of the "little giants" of the modern world, the majority of which is based on stereotypes. Switzerland is one of the most developed industrial countries in the entire planet.
          1. APES
            APES 20 November 2013 22: 26
            -1
            Quote: Gluxar_
            Your comment is extremely stupid.


            You said yourself tongue

            Quote: Gluxar_
            The share of industry in Switzerland is more than in the USA by almost 50%. Up to a third of GDP is created by industry, this is more than in Germany


            but that wasn’t about that ....
        11. paul33
          paul33 20 November 2013 15: 59
          +3
          the most accurate metal cutting equipment for example
        12. goldfinger
          goldfinger 20 November 2013 20: 57
          +1
          watches do, knives - what else? Quote APES.


          From Minsk. Well, you can’t be so curious. From Wiki - Industry is dominated by large associations of a transnational nature, as a rule, successfully withstanding competition in the world market and occupying leading positions in it: Nestle Concerns (food products, pharmaceutical and cosmetic products, baby food), Novartis and Hoffman -la-Roche "(chemical and pharmaceutical products)," Alyusyuiss "(aluminum), the Swedish-Swiss concern ABB -" Asea Brown Boveri "(electrical and turbine engineering). Switzerland is often associated with the world's watch factory. Based on old traditions and high technical culture, watches and jewelry of the most prestigious brands are produced here: Rolex, Chopard, Breguet, Patek Philippe, Vacheron Constantin, etc.
          On my own I note that back in the 80s I read a note in Izvestia that the Swiss in the USSR bought for good money the beds of decommissioned Soviet metalworking machines, the metal in which had already "settled down, aged" and used to install a new processing machine on them. fillings. To "catch hundreds of mk". Stanzas were valued like wine, the older, the more expensive (the most, the most - "royal").
          Chistopl Mechanical Plant, equipment and technologies - to the last screw, after overhaul in the 60s, Swiss. Remember the "command" watch! And the watch "Amphibia" is my youthful dream!
          Yes, not only cheese and skiers! The country is the standard.
          1. APES
            APES 20 November 2013 23: 04
            -1
            Quote: goldfinger
            From wiki

            what is it? belay
            Quote: goldfinger
            transnational character

            nothing to say?
            1. goldfinger
              goldfinger 20 November 2013 23: 45
              -1
              Wikipedia In Russia, tuyeva hucha branches of multinational companies - Coca-Cola, Philips, British Petroleum, etc. etc. What this should say, honestly, I do not know.
              nothing to say?Quote APES.
      2. user
        user 20 November 2013 10: 30
        +3
        You really do not know where most of the Swiss budget revenues come from, or you include a "fool" about:

        Switzerland is a country with perhaps the most skilled workforce in the world. Swiss quality has long been the benchmark. Therefore, we need not slander in our black envy, but to build the same fair society.

        Even reading is disgusting.
        You read the History of the Development of the Banking Sector in Switzerland at least briefly about the conditions and tasks of creating such a structure, who benefits and why such a "black financial hole" suddenly appeared in the center of Europe, who used these services and on what conditions. I'm not saying that this story is bad or good, this is already the history of the creation and development of banks in a single country, only about "the most qualified workforce in the world" and "building a just society" do not fool us.
      3. Sosland
        Sosland 20 November 2013 12: 51
        +1
        Unfortunately, this is impossible with us, although 40-50 years ago we were closest to this. You have to be an observer of the decline in education, moral and ethical norms of society, and the culture of communication. We are not ready for this, most of us have no responsibility to our loved ones, neighbors and quite often to ourselves, and this, in my opinion, is the basis, otherwise it will be perceived as a "freebie".
    2. APES
      APES 20 November 2013 08: 41
      +3
      Quote: Nitarius
      Let all the countries take away from them.


      Only yesterday on this subject communicated. discussed for a long time. they don’t want, as they did not persuade.
    3. varov14
      varov14 20 November 2013 11: 16
      +7
      Well, here are the banks again, and it turns out that this is a more philanthropic state, where those in power do not mind sharing with all citizens. Against their background, we have completely sucks power, even when you work, you manage not to really pay. There is reason to think. Just completely sweeps away the tale of some of our special spirituality. Our special path is the path to feudalism.
      1. goldfinger
        goldfinger 20 November 2013 23: 53
        +1
        Quote: varov14
        Just completely sweeps away the tale of some of our special spirituality. Our special path is the path to feudalism.

        Neighbor Belarus.
        And here is a sketch of our classic Alexander Kuprin, 1908.

        “I remember five years ago I had to come to Imatra with writers Bunin and Fedorov. We returned back late at night. About eleven o'clock the train stopped at Antrea station, and we went out for a bite. The long table was lined with hot dishes and cold snacks. There was fresh salmon, fried trout, cold roast beef, some game, small, very tasty meatballs and the like. All this was unusually clean, appetizing and elegant. And then small plates towered over the edges of the table, piles of knives and forks, and baskets of bread stood.

        Each came up, chose what he liked, had a bite as much as he wanted, then went up to the sideboard and, of his own free will, paid exactly one stamp (thirty-seven kopecks) for dinner. No oversight, no mistrust. Our Russian hearts, so deeply accustomed to the passport, the precinct, the compulsory custody of the senior janitor, to the general fraud and suspicion, were completely suppressed by this broad mutual faith. But when we returned to the carriage, a lovely picture in a truly Russian genre was waiting for us. The fact is that two stone work contractors were traveling with us. Everyone knows this type of fist from the Meshchovsky district of Kaluga province: a wide, glossy, cheeky, red muzzle, red hair curling from under a cap, a rare beard, a roguish look, piety for five-piece, ardent patriotism and contempt for everything non-Russian - in a word, familiar truly Russian face. We had to listen to how they mocked the poor Finns.

        - Here's a fool so foolish. After all, such idiots, the devil knows them! Why, if I calculate, I ate three rubles for seven hryvnias from them, from scoundrels ... Oh, you bastard! Few of them are beaten, sons of bitches! One word - Chukhons.
        And the other picked up, choking with laughter:
        - And I ... purposely cocked a glass, and then took it into the fish and spat.
        - So them it is necessary, bastards! Dissolved anathema! They need to be kept in! ”

        This episode is all. And vile, like a bad disease, Russian imperialism, now inspired by Gazprom and football. And bestial hatred for elementary everyday culture, for the arrangement of the “Chukhons” and for themselves. And the bossy disrespect for property, literally disregard for it. That is, we see normal Bolshevism. And at the same time, it should be noted that we are not lumpen, not “breaks”, not tramplers - in front of us are Fists. I want to say that Bolshevism in Russia is not just the doctrine of the political sect of Lenin, not a wild creature grafted onto the Russian trunk. This phenomenon is neither social nor class, it is a phenomenon of the whole of Russian life, its fruit. Bolshevism in Russia is a psychotype, and God forbid that it is not a genotype. This is a national trait, that’s scary to say.
        1. Setrac
          Setrac 21 November 2013 00: 02
          +1
          Quote: goldfinger
          This episode is all. And vile, like a bad disease, Russian imperialism, now inspired by Gazprom and football. And bestial hatred for elementary everyday culture, for the arrangement of the “Chukhons” and for themselves. And the bossy disrespect for property, literally disregard for it.

          This episode remains on the conscience of the author, or rather, dishonesty. The author invented everything, apparently he was still a Russophobe.
          Quote: goldfinger
          This phenomenon is neither social nor class, it is a phenomenon of the whole of Russian life, its fruit.

          This phenomenon is the fruit of a sick imagination.
    4. ele1285
      ele1285 20 November 2013 14: 55
      +4
      Quote: Nitarius
      Let all the countries-they will take them BABY. and then we’ll see where their COMMUNISM will play

      An open letter to President Putin from the Russian professor Lev Zaitsev.

      Mr. President!

      We draw your attention to the fact that Russia stands at the dangerous line of reducing real incomes of the population. More than 90% of Russians are essentially low-income.
      And what is surprising, the income of oligarchs, top managers, government officials, and deputies are growing every year amid poverty.
      Constantly from high tribunes and through the media we hear how they increase salaries, pensions, and allowance for officers, despite the crisis. But it is important not only to increase them, but to keep the purchasing power from social inflation. However, they prefer not to talk about it.

      Yes, damn it, even if the siblings succeed. Will anyone to be.
    5. AVV
      AVV 20 November 2013 15: 08
      +1
      The number of migrants is going wild now, and after the adoption of this law, there will be a pandemic of Muslims from all over the world in Switzerland !!!
    6. Gluxar_
      Gluxar_ 20 November 2013 15: 46
      +1
      Quote: Nitarius
      Let all the countries-they will take them BABY. and then we’ll see where their COMMUNISM will play

      Why so rude? Not only banking brings Swiss revenue. The initiative itself is good. Let them conduct an experiment, at least at home. In no other major country such an initiative will not work. It all depends on the level of vice of the population. If there are associative people living according to their perverted values, such as drug addicts or any people who are addicted to addictions, then this initiative will not work. Let them try in Switzerland.
      By the way this is not the first example, a similar system is in the SA and was in Libya. Suppose there were no monthly benefits, but there were large one-time or zero loans from the state.
      On the other hand, the same was introduced in Norway, but as an investment in a public good. And in Russia so far, in the form of a part of free public services or "monetization", although the volumes are certainly not comparable.
      And again, you should not look only at the figures, $ 2500 in a country like Switzerland, this is not very big money. Enough for going to the doctor and paying utility bills for one.
  2. marder4
    marder4 20 November 2013 08: 12
    +1
    oh how ... unexpectedly ...
    1. APES
      APES 20 November 2013 08: 41
      -1
      Quote: marder4
      oh how ... unexpectedly


      just raging with fat ...
  3. King
    King 20 November 2013 08: 17
    -6
    c ** AND LIVING AT THE ACCOUNT OF OTHERS AND FAT. And RUSSIA SHOULD FALSE IDEALS, WHICH WE SUCCESSFULLY HAVE AND CONTINUE TO FEED THE WHOLE WEST. TAKE THE SAME SAB FUND. WHERE MORE Prudently HERE TO INVEST IN ITS OWN STATE - IN INFRASTRUCTURE, SCIENCE ITD.
    1. faraon
      faraon 20 November 2013 13: 10
      +6
      And what prevents Russia from living and fattening in the same way, but for some reason the Russian elite (powerful people, officials) trying to keep money (money) in Switzerland is somehow more reliable. What prevents it from creating a banking system in Russia that allows citizens to live on dividends from contributions, revise social policy in relation to the country's population.

      here is the exact definition - well, I'm talking about roads and ..... (Karamzin)
      1. King
        King 20 November 2013 16: 10
        -3
        Such as YOU and prevent our country from developing.
        1. faraon
          faraon 21 November 2013 05: 36
          0
          Why am I apologizing for the small, poor natural resources that hinder the mighty Russia? If one commodity turnover is $ 4 billion a year. Apart from joint projects in the military-industrial complex, agricultural sector, medicine, the participation of high-tech production.
  4. qwertynsan
    qwertynsan 20 November 2013 08: 18
    +1
    There is no Lenin on them ...))
    1. APES
      APES 20 November 2013 11: 06
      +3
      Quote: qwertynsan
      There is no Lenin on them ...))


      They already had Lenin wink
      1. zart_arn
        zart_arn 20 November 2013 15: 01
        0
        Lenin they already had a wink

        And there was a bastard cat, often. lol
    2. alone
      alone 20 November 2013 19: 55
      0
      Quote: qwertynsan
      There is no Lenin on them ...))


      they didn’t have Khrushchev. He would have shown them corn and Kuzkin’s mother. laughing
  5. makarov
    makarov 20 November 2013 08: 22
    +6
    Without revolutions, without blood, without blasphemy ... they simply took and built a prototype of communism.
    1. IS-80
      IS-80 20 November 2013 09: 01
      +2
      Quote: makarov
      Without revolutions, without blood, without blasphemy ... they simply took and built a prototype of communism.


      Are you sure about this?
      1. makarov
        makarov 20 November 2013 09: 31
        0
        "Are you sure of that?"

        Everything is relative.
    2. Gunsmith
      Gunsmith 20 November 2013 10: 27
      +2
      In Austria, even on the arms of the country, the sickle and hammer - the Swiss are not alone. Simply, if we take the country's total income, divide it by the number of inhabitants, and squeeze out unnecessary budget expenditures, you can scrape together a lot of thread. Saudis, Monaco, Norway pay their citizens in monetarist form. So the question is purely technical.
      1. makarov
        makarov 20 November 2013 13: 16
        0
        ".. Austria, even on the coat of arms of the country hammer and sickle - the Swiss are not alone ..."

        What is Austria there ?!
        Vysotsky pohlesche put it: - Hammer to me, so I will cross over any of my ...
    3. Encoder
      Encoder 20 November 2013 13: 18
      -2
      And with whose money most revolutions and wars are made? So, not without blood, without your blood - yes. And such communism in any gang exists that lives the plunder of others.
    4. Corsair5912
      Corsair5912 20 November 2013 18: 50
      +3
      Quote: makarov
      Without revolutions, without blood, without blasphemy ... they simply took and built a prototype of communism.

      1 So far, they have not built anything, but are only gathering.
      2 The prototype, in the form of a state system of social benefits, was built in the USSR, despite almost continuous external aggression and huge defense costs.
      3 Communism is not a bunch of junk and Bolshevik dough, it is an economic system in which free people live not at the expense of handouts of the rich, but at the expense of voluntary and conscious work for the benefit of society.
      1. makarov
        makarov 20 November 2013 20: 18
        +1
        "..this is an economic system in which free people live not at the expense of handouts from the rich, but at the expense of voluntary and conscious labor for the good of society ..."

        SW Nikolay. You directly accurately described the life of ordinary Swiss.
  6. mak210
    mak210 20 November 2013 08: 24
    13
    Why are you blown away? And who prevents us from making money like this? Envy, understand. Or maybe Lenin was right, then the last 20 years - like urine in the sand.
    1. vezunchik
      vezunchik 20 November 2013 10: 31
      +2
      As far back as the 60s, the West began to actively search for ways to stabilize - the theory of convergence - the fusion of capitalism and communism! And our bezgamotnye thieves believed that stealing in the Soviet Union will live hard in the West! Even ilf in a golden calf showed that they needed money there, and not those who stole it! The final scene when Ostap was robbed.
      THERE IS ONLY RUSSIA, WHERE WE LIVE, AND WESTERN WITCHING US! and OUR SO-CALLED BUSINESSMEN AND GOVERNORS DO NOT UNDERSTAND THIS!
      As in the song - the battle continues again, and young October is ahead! Whether you want it or not, but life does not like stagnation ...
      1. Encoder
        Encoder 20 November 2013 13: 22
        0
        Ours understand that, but we do not have ours.
      2. Normal
        Normal 20 November 2013 14: 08
        +5
        Quote: vezunchik
        BUSINESSMEN AND GOVERNORS DO NOT UNDERSTAND THIS!

        Why not? Putin understands this very well. And his associates too. No place in the world will they be able to steal so much and not be responsible for it. This is why our Power "loves" Russia, which is why they are all "statesmen".
    2. Encoder
      Encoder 20 November 2013 13: 20
      -2
      So they interfere. Our hosts are there.
  7. Sterlya
    Sterlya 20 November 2013 08: 24
    +2
    so how many Nazi grandmothers remained in the Swiss banks? I read it somehow. there is a lot of all good. and all the state secrets
    1. faraon
      faraon 21 November 2013 05: 41
      0
      Well, how many Russian dough settled there after two revolutions of 1917 and 1991, as well as the corrupt policy of the Russian government (hornbeam on a robbery), no one tried to calculate?
  8. Mikhail m
    Mikhail m 20 November 2013 08: 26
    -6
    Bravo! Turning people into chewing biomass will go at a fantastic pace! Education sideways! Work for blacks!
    But I do not envy such a life. The cow in the stall is just as happy.
  9. vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 20 November 2013 08: 27
    +1
    Firstly, there is no smell of communism here, secondly, such a proposal will cause dependency, why work if money is already given. Any money regardless of how it is distributed gives rise to the egoism of their consumption. Communism completely abandons money and their equivalents. In my opinion, this initiative can only do harm.
    1. rpek32
      rpek32 20 November 2013 08: 56
      0
      Quote: vladsolo56
      Firstly, there is no smell of communism here, secondly, such a proposal will cause dependency, why work if money is already given.

      this is our mentality. how do you know what they think the same way? in any case, time will tell.
      1. vladsolo56
        vladsolo56 20 November 2013 09: 06
        +5
        Quote: rpek32
        Quote: vladsolo56
        Firstly, there is no smell of communism here, secondly, such a proposal will cause dependency, why work if money is already given.

        this is our mentality. how do you know what they think the same way? in any case, time will tell.

        mentality, this is just a trick of psychologists, people are the same everywhere, and only living conditions give different peoples different habits
    2. Egoza
      20 November 2013 12: 32
      +4
      Quote: vladsolo56
      secondly, such a proposal will cause dependency, why work if money is already given.

      But this already depends on upbringing, and on public opinion. If the idea is introduced in society that it is a shame not to work, then they will work. The idea "if you want to have such justice for many years, you need to work so that this justice is not covered with a copper basin." Likewise, the force of habit will work. Ask those who have worked in production for more than 10-15 years. (I mean retirees) Pulls them to their home workshop, factory, etc.
      By the way, why did Khrushchev declare "in 20 years we will live under communism"? because he was shown the calculations of the growth rates of production during the Stalin years. What enthusiasm the people had! Only now, having doused I.V. Stalin with mud, Khrushchev completely knocked down this enthusiasm and BELIEVE in the party. "The whole thing" cannot work without an idea, purpose and faith. Although I.V. Stalin did not call for "running into communism", but believed that the people should live well under socialism (and during this time it would be possible to educate subsequent generations in the right direction).
      1. atalef
        atalef 20 November 2013 12: 44
        +4
        secondly, such a proposal will cause dependency, why work if money is already given.
        But this depends on education, and on public opinion. If the idea that not working is embarrassing is embarrassing in society, then they will work.

        Yes, I was like in Luxembourg, by the way, it’s not in the EU either, and their tolerant laws in relation to Gaster are different, so it was interesting to watch the janitors, road workers, the hotel clerk - all of them are so white, they are Luxembourgers, and they’re not ashamed to work - Janitor is a citizen of Luxembourg good
      2. vladsolo56
        vladsolo56 20 November 2013 15: 34
        0
        The basis of any parenting is an example. If Khrushchev immediately after the war organized state communes, without a salary, but on state support of all participants in the commune, in equal shares, normal for living. And with such examples, it was possible to build communism, and I’m sure that with smart leadership it would be enough for 20 years that communism would become the basis of the social system in the USSR.
  10. treskoed
    treskoed 20 November 2013 08: 32
    +4
    And we will have a pension - 100 points! Envy the Swiss!
    1. sanyabasik
      sanyabasik 20 November 2013 11: 14
      +4
      Quote: treskoed
      And we will have a pension - 100 points! Envy the Swiss!


      Yesterday they said that if you work until death, you will have all 146 points .. laughing
  11. erased
    erased 20 November 2013 08: 37
    +8
    Switzerland as an alternative reserve base is quite suitable. Apparently, the country did a great job even without oil, gas and nuclear weapons. Maybe because the authorities are concerned not so much with the grabbing of dough as with real work? Well, we envy silently ...
    1. APES
      APES 20 November 2013 08: 46
      +1
      Quote: erased
      Switzerland as an alternative springboard option


      in vain I probably refused their citizenship. although Micheline hinted that they would be happy if I changed my mind.
    2. Encoder
      Encoder 20 November 2013 13: 29
      -1
      wassat The country that lives on the dough and at the expense of the dough. A bridgehead ... - will they accept you into this gang?
      1. atalef
        atalef 20 November 2013 13: 39
        +2
        Quote: Coder
        wassat The country that lives on the dough and at the expense of the dough. A bridgehead ... - will they accept you into this gang?

        Maybe all the same google about Swiss industry, although why, because it's easier to live laughing
        1. Setrac
          Setrac 20 November 2013 22: 41
          0
          Quote: atalef
          Maybe all the same google about Swiss industry, although why, because it's easier to live

          An industry that has developed through the banking sector, but not vice versa.
    3. alone
      alone 20 November 2013 19: 58
      0
      Quote: erased
      Switzerland as an alternative reserve base is quite suitable. Apparently, the country did a great job even without oil, gas and


      Well, I don’t know about oil, but from the point of oil and gasoline, the Azerbaijani oil company Sokar is gaining ground there. We started by buying gas stations under the Sokar brand and pushing Azerbaijani gas to them. By the way, the Swiss are happy.
  12. ParapaPanda
    ParapaPanda 20 November 2013 08: 41
    +3
    How people like to count other people's money. Especially comment capsule. phew.
  13. Nickanor
    Nickanor 20 November 2013 08: 41
    +1
    Let's imagine what will begin if every citizen of Russia begins to receive $ 1500 monthly, no matter what! wink
    1. demotivator
      demotivator 20 November 2013 09: 04
      +7
      Once upon a time, back in the USSR, at one enterprise in a closed city, sociologists decided to conduct such an experiment - they brought all kinds of things to the factory shops and canteens, including delicacies, including caviar and people were told that from now on everyone can take whatever they want from there and how much he wants. At first, of course, everyone rushed to the shelves and dragged home everything that came to hand. Soon the shelves were empty. The organizers again delivered the same thing, only in large quantities. And again the situation repeated itself, only this time something was left. Because everything is already crowded at home, but you won’t leave the city, because it’s ZATO (closed administrative-territorial unit) and you won’t sell it, you won’t send relatives. In short, after a new replenishment of the assortment, there was already no excitement and crush. Everyone took only what was needed and how much was needed. In my opinion, a very interesting experiment.
      1. Gunsmith
        Gunsmith 20 November 2013 10: 42
        +2
        I'm from the same closed. I heard about the experiment, but I don’t know where it was (if) conducted. But in my native Krasnoyarsk-26-now Zheleznogorsk, .. the mentality of people was slightly different from the all-Russian level. The bakery saleswoman from the cafeteria went for lunch and left the goods under gauze in the street with a saucer for money. It is necessary - took a roll, but put a denyuzhku. Etc. Everything was always in stores at ridiculous prices, when there was NOTHING in the Union. . We are just used to our exclusivity. So it all depends on the level of intelligence.
      2. atalef
        atalef 20 November 2013 13: 41
        0
        Quote: demotivator
        Once upon a time, back in the USSR, at one enterprise in a closed city, sociologists decided to conduct such an experiment - they brought all kinds of things to the factory shops and canteens, including delicacies, including caviar and people were told that from now on everyone can take whatever they want from there and how much he wants. At first, of course, everyone rushed to the shelves and dragged home everything that came to hand. Soon the shelves were empty. The organizers again delivered the same thing, only in large quantities. And again the situation repeated itself, only this time something was left. Because everything is already crowded at home, but you won’t leave the city, because it’s ZATO (closed administrative-territorial unit) and you won’t sell it, you won’t send relatives. In short, after a new replenishment of the assortment, there was already no excitement and crush. Everyone took only what was needed and how much was needed. In my opinion, a very interesting experiment.

        There was no such experiment, without fairy tales, neither that country, nor that time
    2. Max otto
      Max otto 20 November 2013 09: 52
      +1
      Quote: Nickanor
      Let's imagine what will begin if every citizen of Russia begins to receive $ 1500 monthly, no matter what! wink

      Yes, at least $ 500, not in cash, but at birth into the account, and even annually, not monthly. And upon reaching adulthood, use either for housing or for education. In such conditions, I simply guarantee a population explosion.
      1. atalef
        atalef 20 November 2013 13: 45
        +2
        Quote: Max Otto
        Quote: Nickanor
        Let's imagine what will begin if every citizen of Russia begins to receive $ 1500 monthly, no matter what! wink

        Yes, at least $ 500, not in cash, but at birth into the account, and even annually, not monthly. And upon reaching adulthood, use either for housing or for education. In such conditions, I simply guarantee a population explosion.

        We have learned to cash in maternal capital, and cash this. and not controlled money supply will lead to inflation and the loss will be more than you win. First, laws need to be brought in order and fraudsters planted, and then grandmother people begin to distribute
      2. Normal
        Normal 20 November 2013 14: 24
        +1
        Quote: Max Otto
        In such conditions, I simply guarantee a population explosion.


        Not a fact.
        There is an offer much cheaper.
        In large cities, we turn off the electricity fan from 21 p.m. to 00 a.m., excluding only life support facilities. In every city for at least three nights. After 6 months, we look at the result.
        It will not be an explosion, it will be a tsunami.
  14. pv1005
    pv1005 20 November 2013 08: 46
    0
    The next generation of Swiss people will live under communism.
    1. Normal
      Normal 20 November 2013 14: 28
      0
      Quote: pv1005
      The next generation of Swiss people will live under communism.

      Present a generation of Swiss people will live under communism.
      If only there was no war.
  15. demotivator
    demotivator 20 November 2013 08: 56
    +6
    Some people have a rather primitive understanding of communism, such as the fact that this is a system of complete freebies - when everyone has a lot of chewing gum, jeans, and other imported clothes. Yes, and no one needs to do anything - everything goes into the mouth itself. While true communism is still, first of all, the all-round development of the human personality, especially the creative abilities of people. And much more that does not fit into the proposed simple scheme. Because communism is practically unattainable - people are not the same, have not grown to it.
    1. corn
      corn 20 November 2013 23: 06
      0
      I was taught that the main NEED of a person under communism is the need to WORK.
  16. svskor80
    svskor80 20 November 2013 09: 03
    +1
    You can’t forbid to live beautifully. The migrant’s golden dream will break into Switzerland.
    1. Gunsmith
      Gunsmith 20 November 2013 10: 50
      +1
      What about obtaining citizenship? I think the authorities will regulate this issue in the first place. In a socialist and wealthy Austria, my classmate lives - married to an Austrian. She is not a citizen of the country. The length of stay did not go It is easier to obtain citizenship from the Britons than in Switzerland.
  17. ele1285
    ele1285 20 November 2013 09: 06
    +4
    The people, we are just jealous. No matter what amount will be paid. IMPORTANT IDEA. The USSR wanted the same. We didn’t succeed, maybe they can.
    1. Encoder
      Encoder 20 November 2013 13: 37
      -1
      They will be able to exactly as long as we (read - all who are not them) will work for them.
  18. Alexandr73
    Alexandr73 20 November 2013 09: 38
    +2
    Well done, great idea.
    And maybe really economically feasible. Dear Nickanor wrote about 1500 bucks. This is a lot, but 15 thousand and rubles, this is normal.
    In Russia, 143 million people. -000% of minors will remain roughly 000 million * 30 = 100 (15 trillion per month) * 000 = 1 trillion per year.
    retirees in Russia are approximately 30 million * 10500 (average pension) * 12 = 3,78 trillion per year.
    18 tr -4 tr (pensions) - salary in pension funds - all sorts of social security - and other es - maintenance and maintenance of buildings where all this canoe is located = I think it will work out
    And I took only one industry. And how many all sorts of others where they decide to whom how much when why and why give out. While they decide to eat and sp..t (sorry to steal) more than they decide to give out.
  19. Bersaglieri
    Bersaglieri 20 November 2013 09: 45
    +2
    Quote: svskor80
    You can’t forbid to live beautifully. The migrant’s golden dream will break into Switzerland.

    Schweiz has a very strict immigration policy.
  20. 1304
    1304 20 November 2013 09: 53
    0
    On the account they steal, it seems that if all the Emirates didn’t do this, they would just rest.
  21. individual
    individual 20 November 2013 10: 02
    +1
    The peoples' dream of a just society has always been.
    BUT! What role do Swiss dreamers attribute to the invasion of Gaster from Africa and Asia and, in the future, Latin America in their lives and economies?
    1. Encoder
      Encoder 20 November 2013 13: 39
      +1
      They won’t even get close to them, well, they have nothing to do there, well, there is no industry in Switzerland (on its territory) in our understanding.
  22. major071
    major071 20 November 2013 10: 17
    +7
    We built socialism in the USSR, and came to wild capitalism. In Switzerland, they built capitalism, and came to socialism. Honestly, I envy them kindly. hi
    1. Encoder
      Encoder 20 November 2013 13: 40
      0
      Good you are very - and use it.
  23. Neighbor
    Neighbor 20 November 2013 10: 20
    +1
    Someone just had enough for a meal and for housing and communal services, and the furniture can be picked up when the neighbors change the situation. And the majority wants to live comfortably and will work for this. Another thing is that the "non-prestigious" places will again need "Gaster".
  24. Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 20 November 2013 10: 24
    +2
    Western countries have political movements, who preach the equality of all inhabitants, in the sense of obtaining wealth. These ideas were preached by the Bolsheviks at the beginning of the 20 century. So these ideas are not new. What is upsetting is that in Russia there is no political force that would fight to even out the income level of our citizens. The difference between rich and poor in Russia is an abyss.
    1. Encoder
      Encoder 20 November 2013 13: 43
      +1
      There are such forces. Little for now, but there is. And the difference between rich and poor is much greater (you will be surprised) in America and according to their own estimates.
  25. dmb
    dmb 20 November 2013 10: 28
    +1
    In this, in my opinion, a completely insane idea, which has nothing to do with communism (see Lenin's definition of a communist), there is also a healthy grain. This is me about that horde of civil servants who distribute benefits and subsidies. The costs of obtaining and receiving such benefits are many times higher than its size. Of course, I am not an economist, but who will explain to me the need to maintain a heap of financiers who first take tax from me, and then through complex manipulations with pieces of paper, paying them salaries and bonuses for shock work, they partially return it to me. As Zadornov says, I do not understand why in the USSR one social security is enough to pay pensions, but now the social security has been doubled, and the Pension Fund has been created, and they have built such buildings that any school will envy, but with pensions there is again a problem. I think something needs to be corrected in the "conservatory", at least following the Swiss example.
  26. corn
    corn 20 November 2013 10: 38
    +4
    There is one very interesting law of social development:
    The level of public consciousness depends on the level of material culture of society, i.e.-
    the higher the level of material culture of society, the higher the consciousness of members of society.
    When we, the students of the military academy, in the mid-80s asked a teacher: Do you not dispute that the level of material culture of the United States is higher than the level of material culture of the USSR?, The answer was the following: you, comrade officers, are right and the second question may not be set.
    In some countries of Arabia, a citizen at birth is opened an account for a sickly amount, but they also have Gaster, ksati even from the USA.
    It's a shame, of course, that we were the first to start building communism (or proclaimed it), but were not there.
    Until the evening, dear forum users, I went to build a house in the country.
  27. AIR-ZNAK
    AIR-ZNAK 20 November 2013 10: 44
    +3
    For more than 200 years, there have been no wars and devastation in Switzerland. Money was invested in development, not in rebuilding the country.
    1. sanyabasik
      sanyabasik 20 November 2013 11: 26
      +6
      Quote: AIR-ZNAK
      There have been no wars and devastation in Switzerland for more than 200 years


      That's for sure .. And they didn’t have the Olympics ..

      For the fourth time, the Swiss denied the government the opportunity to apply for the right to host the Olympic Games. This alpine country has already tried to declare its candidacy for the Winter Games 2002 (which eventually took place in Salt Lake City), 2006 (Turin) and 2010 (Vancouver). However, Switzerland has a law under which the government is required to ask taxpayers for significant spending of budget money. At the end of last week, a referendum was held in the country on a number of important issues. For example, about salary restrictions for top managers of large companies.
      1. Encoder
        Encoder 20 November 2013 13: 47
        +1
        And who are the main taxpayers there? Well, they are the true masters of the country. By the way, and to whom will the money not paid to top managers go again to them, well, and who is the initiator of the referendum?
        And the fact that the Olympics are not needed in their current form is for me.
  28. rodevaan
    rodevaan 20 November 2013 10: 52
    0
    Quote: zart_arn
    What I am saying is that we must work and live the same way, and maybe even better. I have nothing against vodka and nesting dolls - they firmly hold their place in the market, as well as "watches" and "knives". But you mocked not the Swiss, but the Russians, if "in the subject" - it's not very beautiful, not everyone will understand. Although, it may be correct.


    - Dear, you are comparing absolutely incomparable. Russia and some kind of Andorra-Switzerland there are absolutely and fundamentally 2 different incomparable values ​​and the tasks of these fundamentally different states are fundamentally different. This small fry has been living in neutrality for about twenty years, and is developing in its cramped inner world, raising a social network and not claiming anything else. Country bank. And during this time, Russia survived a bunch of wars and invasions from all kinds of under-civilizers, and several times recovered from the chaos and ruins of all kinds of world cataclysms. In addition, Russia, which occupies 1/6 of the land, will face even greater challenges in the future when there is a race for resources and water and other good. While small fry like Switzerland and other San Marines, no one will need a fuck.

    You compare, I'm sorry) / (with a finger. Russia will never be Switzerland, and Switzerland will never be Russia, since the goals and objectives of these fundamentally incomparable countries are strikingly and diametrically opposed. Think over and add for yourself why. There are still a lot of reasons — there are just a few places it’s not enough to write it all.
  29. haralaan
    haralaan 20 November 2013 10: 59
    +6
    A smart decision by the Swiss.
    In Russia, the salaries of deputies to the State Duma of the Russian Federation are doubled, and that of doctors by 6%. Interesting approach
    1. alone
      alone 20 November 2013 20: 00
      0
      Quote: haralaan
      In Russia, the salaries of deputies to the State Duma of the Russian Federation are doubled, and that of doctors by 6%. Interesting approach


      But did you think that the deputies would vote against them not to raise their salaries by 100%?
      there are no such deputies. (in the former USSR, this is definitely)
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  31. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat 20 November 2013 11: 11
    +1
    A similar "communism" already exists in the Arab Emirates. In terms of education, the emirates are leaders all over the world, because every inhabitant of them has a higher education received in Europe or elsewhere. However, in terms of the level of thinking, they remained feudal lords - they use the disenfranchised, slave labor of thousands of migrants from Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, India, etc. for the construction of luxurious buildings and other indicators of their wealth and prosperity.
    1. Encoder
      Encoder 20 November 2013 13: 54
      0
      And again, one to one, the same thing - a small closed society that exists at the expense of others.
  32. negeroi
    negeroi 20 November 2013 11: 16
    +5
    Ha! This is not a model of communism, or even socialism. It is a model of the Roman Empire, or the Golden Billion. With all the development of Switzerland, all the benefits and social protection are supposed only for citizens. And this is a significant nuance. Such a nuance, which makes it not so dubious but certainly not communist or socialist, this example. Namely, Switzerland has the most severe migration laws. There live and work entire generations of 40 years or more, who do not shine citizenship under any circumstances. Despite the fact that many were born Switzerland and even gave birth to a new generation. Not just born in Switzerland, but simply non-citizens who do not have the prospect of becoming just citizens. And since there are half of such people in Switzerland, Swiss socialism is not available to those who provide this economic level with their labor. Swiss socialism is a form of colonial slavery. Where the main wealth of the colonies is not goods, but slaves who have no prospects of becoming citizens of the state they’re living all their lives, neither to their children, nor to their grandchildren. And they can’t leave, the old people don’t need to go home, and those born in Switzerland can’t go anywhere because people are stateless. Yes, and why go from a well-fed Switzerland? there are special slave people so that citizens can enjoy social benefits. Muscovites know the truth? Slaves are convenient. Golden billion in miniature. There are gentlemen, equal and wealthy, and there are those who cook, wash, clean, work at machine tools that They will NEVER get (such a law) and nothing of what is considered the norm and a necessity for full-fledged people. I am a citizen of Rome, any Swiss can safely say. There are more than one Switzerland in the world of slaves in the United States without social benefits, officially more than 7 million slaves but in reality, who considers them. But this is life, not a fairy tale about communism. And I don’t understand the uprisings on this topic. Well, guys can, they have money to spread rot, and feel good about it. But why call all this communism?
    1. Encoder
      Encoder 20 November 2013 13: 56
      +1
      Totally agree!
    2. Normal
      Normal 20 November 2013 20: 23
      0
      Quote: negeroi
      .A since such non-citizens in Switzerland half of the population, etc.

      Where does this infa come from?

      Switzerland. Country Information

      Overview

      The population is 7,9 million people, including 1,9 million foreigners (24%).

      http://www.ved.gov.ru/exportcountries/ch/about_ch/review_ch/
    3. Neil
      Neil 20 November 2013 20: 28
      0
      !!!!! absolutely agree!!!
  33. Alekseir162
    Alekseir162 20 November 2013 11: 31
    +1
    Quote: APES
    watches do, knives - what else?

    Another chocolate, very good. Although, chocolate produced in the USSR was very good compared to the currently produced. However, in childhood, the grass was greener and the sky bluer.
  34. negeroi
    negeroi 20 November 2013 12: 05
    +2
    But objectively, it was better. The modern affordable, I emphasize, affordable chocolate is made using modern technologies. Namely, it is made of food substitutes. In the USSR, chocolate was generally made from natural products, as well as ice cream and much more. Therefore, they were tastier. Our factories produce products using Western technologies, which include plastic pasta for slaves, and natural for wealthy ones. You can buy normal chocolate now, but at prices ... in short, you won’t like prices. And affordable chocolate, using new technologies, isn’t it would be tasty .. But you know, there are a lot of us, and there isn’t enough for everyone, that’s natural, only for the rich and middle peasants. And the grass on the lawns is greener now, because there are also Western seeds, such varieties.
  35. Ivan Sirko
    Ivan Sirko 20 November 2013 12: 15
    0
    The material interests of people always flourish only under the cover of the heroic virtues of mankind. But as soon as material interests come to the fore, and thereby they undermine their own premises for their being.
    1. Setrac
      Setrac 20 November 2013 22: 45
      0
      Quote: Ivan Sirko
      The material interests of people always flourish only under the cover of the heroic virtues of mankind. But as soon as material interests come to the fore, and thereby they undermine their own premises for their being.

      Now translate this into Russian
  36. Soviet_Union
    Soviet_Union 20 November 2013 12: 29
    +1
    I remember when I was still in school in the mid-80s, and somehow the algebra teacher decided to explain to us what communism is. He said that now we have socialism, and when communism comes, it will be ... the article describes almost what the teacher told.
    Probably at sunset of the Union, this model would be very suitable for us.
  37. velikoros-xnumx
    velikoros-xnumx 20 November 2013 12: 32
    +1
    top managers will not be able to receive more than 12 salaries of the lowest paid employee of their company.

    Fair decision. Let's see how it will be implemented in practice if adopted.
    1. Encoder
      Encoder 20 November 2013 14: 01
      0
      Top managers are not the owners, but the same mercenaries, and this is beneficial not primarily to low-paid employees, but to the owners, although of course they show the opposite to everyone.
  38. Encoder
    Encoder 20 November 2013 13: 06
    0
    Quote: atalef
    You just didn’t eat real Swiss cheese and I think you don’t have real Swiss watches
    And here I have a real Swiss knife (not a Chinese fake) and it is no better than ours for the same price. And it’s correct about money, although they did it there, they live not on income from industry (it wasn’t there and never was), but on income from bank interest.
    1. atalef
      atalef 20 November 2013 13: 13
      +2
      Quote: Coder
      Quote: atalef
      You just didn’t eat real Swiss cheese and I think you don’t have real Swiss watches
      And here I have a real Swiss knife (not a Chinese fake) and it is no better than ours for the same price. And it’s correct about money, although they did it there, they live not on income from industry (it wasn’t there and never was), but on income from bank interest.

      Well, for some, the bride was a mare, and you were in Switzerland? What would be so clear to say that there is no industry? And by the way, what is the bank percentage taken from? So dial (as an example of money from the neighbors) and doing nothing live on a percentage? What does not work? And why?
      I've been in Switzerland and the Swiss are working and there is where I myself saw

      http://schweiz.su/content/view/67/34/
      review
  39. Begemot
    Begemot 20 November 2013 13: 12
    +6
    I have been to this country on business trips, I never ceased to be amazed at how intelligently and efficiently everything is done, how conscientiously they work and how well they live. I’ll say right away: I didn’t have a chance to meet with very rich people, but neither did the frankly poor (except for clochards from France in Geneva). In some cantons, the issue of abolishing local taxes was submitted to a referendum - because there was nowhere to put the money, everything was built and comfortable. They have a very decent industry. They produce not only watches, knives and cheese, but mainly high-tech products of the highest quality, for example, the best compositions for dental prosthetics - the whole world buys from them. Thinking about why they can, but we can't, only one thing comes to mind: they are very lawfully obedient, hardworking, and the laws are written by literate people, not athletes or actresses, like ours. The first thing that surprised me was the strict observance of traffic rules even where no one would see for sure if you break, from the hotel window I watched cars approach the intersection with a "stop is required" sign and ALL 5% stopped, and the bus driver , who drove us along the serpentine skiing, waited until 30 cars lined up behind him and stopped to let them pass, the policeman, seeing our dirty car, caught up with us and offered to go to the car wash, even agreed to be accepted, and did not become satisfied mug to draw up a protocol for dirty rooms, the waitress in the restaurant after 100-3, even for a $ 23 tip, did not agree to pour alcohol: "Police Zeitung" and that's it. This is how they differ, so I believe they deserve a guaranteed income.
  40. KPACHA9_3BE3DA
    KPACHA9_3BE3DA 20 November 2013 13: 25
    0
    Do we have a budget deficit?

    Let's bring democracy to Switzerland!
  41. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 20 November 2013 13: 34
    +2
    What is the height of the wall around Switzerland they have to build. And how much Swiss citizenship will cost is scary to imagine.
  42. Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 20 November 2013 14: 03
    +2
    This is possible in a small and rich Switzerland, not burdened by large military expenses and obligations to the EU and NATO. Given the price level in Switzerland, the amount is modest, so the budget is rising, especially, as noted, the army of social services will be reduced. workers and, therefore, structures, and the level of consumption will increase, which will increase the treasury by taxes. It looks great in one country, and the precedent is good, remembering the role of the USSR in creating modern social policy in all developed countries.
    1. Normal
      Normal 20 November 2013 21: 17
      0
      Quote: Peaceful military
      This is possible in small and rich Switzerland, not burdened by large military expenses


      On a per capita basis, Swiss military expenditures are superior to Russia's military expenditures.

      Switzerland
      The population of about 8 million people
      Military spending in 2012 $ 5,48 billion

      Russia
      The population of about 140 million people
      Military spending in 2013 about $ 71,2 billion

      Wiki


      At the same time, Switzerland does not have oil and gas.
      1. Peaceful military
        Peaceful military 20 November 2013 21: 54
        +1
        Quote: Normal
        Quote: Peaceful military
        This is possible in small and rich Switzerland, not burdened by large military expenses

        On a per capita basis, Swiss military expenditures are superior to Russia's military expenditures.
        Switzerland
        The population of about 8 million people
        Military spending in 2012 $ 5,48 billion
        Russia
        The population of about 140 million people
        Military spending in 2013 about $ 71,2 billion
        Wiki
        At the same time, Switzerland does not have oil and gas.

        Do not compare with that. Compare with% of GDP.
        In most prosperous countries, such as Sweden, Finland, etc. no oil, no gas ... so hi
  43. rodevaan
    rodevaan 20 November 2013 14: 42
    +1
    I say again, gentlemen, that all this stupid holivar bred here (sorry for the use of foreigners) is senseless. The argument is pointless!
    Compare Russia and Switzerland, it’s sorry that) \ (opu with a finger!

    These are two completely different countries, with completely different landmarks and with a completely different history, tasks, opportunities and landmarks.

    I’ll tell you all this: if Russia, with all its territory, the availability of resources and capabilities, had been allowed to develop quietly for 200 years without any wars, invasions of any Western-minded barbarians, non-civilizators and other shusharas, then the Russian people would now be at such a stage of development - that not that they would be the first to fly into space, but would have long been exploring other worlds with the help of super nano-tenologies, and all these Westoids would now be compared to us at the level of African Bushmen. The Russian people are so talented and have such potential that no Switzerland could dream of it. It’s a pity they just didn’t let our people really reveal their talents at full capacity.

    We have gone through too much, and too often defended our right to be a great country, while the tiny, unneeded and no pretending Switzerland in the West, quietly and peacefully developed their social networks and infrastructure for decades of quiet existence.
  44. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat 20 November 2013 14: 47
    +1
    A small country is always easier to manage. However, their very self-government is very strong. State bodies are just accountable to the public, and not vice versa as we do. Therefore, their laws are adopted precisely for the benefit of society, and are not lobbied for the sake of individuals, clans and groups closest to power. For example, the Swiss in the 70s were very concerned about the growing ramp of various new laws, by-laws, etc., seemingly necessary, but greatly complicating the quiet measured life of the population and, therefore, they adopted a law by which it is allowed to adopt a law or act, only in in the event that he replaces at least TWO old laws or acts. Immediately after this, the legislative work of the bureaucracy abruptly declined.
  45. starhina01
    starhina01 20 November 2013 14: 49
    0
    let them build their socialism yes we will observe what enough we’ve been in front of the unknown, if they come up with something good, then we can take it even though they don’t have the same level for us to grow and grow, and the mentality is completely different hi
    1. Peaceful military
      Peaceful military 20 November 2013 15: 16
      +2
      Quote: starhina01
      let them build their socialism yes we will observe what enough we’ve been in front of the unknown, if they come up with something good, then we can take it even though they don’t have the same level for us to grow and grow, and the mentality is completely different hi

      While they were in the "vanguard of progressive humanity" they were people and lived like human beings, but when they exchanged it for "universal human values", they turned into ... you see what ...
  46. Troy
    Troy 20 November 2013 14: 50
    +1
    If only we in the oil industry made a difference of 12 salaries maximum, otherwise these "managers" got fat, the drill assistant's salary is hundreds of times less.
  47. rpek32
    rpek32 20 November 2013 16: 15
    +1
    Quote: vladsolo56

    mentality, these are just tricks of psychologists

    specialist? I doubt it.
    but I know for sure: different nations of people behave differently.
  48. SEM
    SEM 20 November 2013 17: 20
    +1
    Quote: zart_arn
    From those grandmothers who are stored in Swiss banks, ordinary citizens do not fall into anything. Most of the citizens of Western Europe are honest, conscientious hardworkers who have earned their prosperity with their skilled labor. Switzerland is a country with perhaps the most skilled workforce in the world. Swiss quality has long been the benchmark. Therefore, we need not slander in our black envy, but to build the same fair society. Spiteful critics, honestly admit to yourself - I haven’t discovered America. yes
    PS By the way, the socialism described in the article has long existed in almost all developed European countries, the Swiss were simply the first to decide to provide it with a clear legislative framework.

    GUYS ARE COMMUNISM FOR GAYS !!! YOU FORGOT )))
    1. Corsair5912
      Corsair5912 20 November 2013 18: 40
      +1
      Quote: SEM
      GUYS ARE COMMUNISM FOR GAYS !!! YOU FORGOT )))

      Then this is not communism, but gehenism.
      And what else will they have to do if freebies pay?
      Only in bed somersault daylight.
  49. rodevaan
    rodevaan 20 November 2013 17: 45
    +2
    In general, the Lord, it’s enough to look there and praise everything there in a paradise. Everywhere has its own problems. And there too. We have our own country and our own reality - not the same as there, because we are not they, not Switzerland. If we were like them, Russia wouldn’t be like that. It would be in the size of three yards, and five farms — about half of the specific principality of Tver surrounded by huge China or the Far East Siberian Caliphate, and would rivet nano-diapers, and nano-drills. And she wouldn’t pretend to be anything.

    And so we have such a fate, to be Russian and to be Russia.
    1. corn
      corn 20 November 2013 22: 47
      -2
      Personally for you, a joke.
      The young worm asks the old:
      -dad, and live in an apple well?
      The old one answers:
      -well, son.
      Young:
      in a pear?
      Old:
      -better.
      Young:
      in pineapple?
      Old:
      - Generally chic.
      Young:
      -Why do we live in shit?
      Old:
      -there is such a word, son, homeland.
      1. rodevaan
        rodevaan 21 November 2013 02: 36
        +2
        Quote: corn
        Personally for you, a joke.
        The young worm asks the old:
        -dad, and live in an apple well?
        The old one answers:
        -well, son.
        Young:
        in a pear?
        Old:
        -better.
        Young:
        in pineapple?
        Old:
        - Generally chic.
        Young:
        -Why do we live in shit?
        Old:
        -there is such a word, son, homeland.


        - Absolutely correctly understood .... Although who does not like it - no question - the gate is always open, and no one here is going to hold anyone by the collar. For me, it’s better to collect these in a heap and send them in trains to the west to “paradise”.
        I just disagree with the word dermo in relation to our country. We do not live in such a dermis, and everything is not so scary / terrible as we are used to screaming and moaning ... Although this is also the mentality of this - always whining like "everything is bad" ...
        1. corn
          corn 21 November 2013 22: 07
          -1
          You know, for me there is a huge semantic difference in phrases:
          - "... this is our fate, to be Russians ..." (so they say from despair)
          -I am proud that I am Russian (as normal people say)
          -I am better than others because I am Russian (not even nationalists say so, but fascists)
          Ksati instead of Russian, you can put any nationality
    2. Anper
      Anper 21 November 2013 02: 09
      +1
      To all this. it is completely incomprehensible why in such a paradise country like Switzerland there is a high level of suicides. And indeed, the quality of life is not determined by the system, but by the number of births and deaths, and life expectancy. These are the numbers in Switzerland to see.
  50. Corsair5912
    Corsair5912 20 November 2013 18: 33
    +2
    The USSR was richer than Switzerland and the economy grew at a rapid pace, until Khrushchev introduced leveling, and Brezhnev led out. The result is known to all.
    Switzerland's advantage over the USSR is that it has not been at war since 1847, is not spent on the military-industrial complex and army maintenance, and is located in the most economically developed region of Western Europe.
    Perhaps in Europe it will be possible to create a paradise for 7 million Swiss if the financial collapse of the system does not happen.
    1. atalef
      atalef 20 November 2013 18: 56
      0
      Quote: Corsair5912
      The USSR was richer than Switzerland and the economy grew at a rapid pace, until Khrushchev introduced leveling, and Brezhnev led out. Everyone knows the result.

      Excuse me . but this is ridiculous. In what years was the per capita income in Switzerland lower than in the USSR?
      Quote: Corsair5912
      The advantage of Switzerland over the USSR is that it has not been at war since 1847, is not spent on the military-industrial complex and the maintenance of the army

      Switzerland is one of the most militarized countries. with active reserve, general military duty and regular fees
      All men with Swiss citizenship between the ages of 19 and 31 who are recognized by the medical council as fit for military service are required to serve in the Swiss Armed Forces. Although the call may be postponed until after high school, service in the armed forces must be completed regardless of the time and fact of entering the country's higher educational institution

      Quote: Corsair5912
      and is located in the most economically developed region of Western Europe.

      At the same time being one of the most technologically advanced countries
      Perhaps in Europe it will be possible to create a paradise for 7 million Swiss if the financial collapse of the system does not happen.

      In general, Switzerland is not in the EU.