Was the USSR dependent on oil exports?

We often hear that we have inherited the oil dependence of the Russian Federation from the USSR. Say, then the damned communists began to intensively explore the oil fields, and before that they diverged that in the end almost half of all the country's revenues were from the sale of oil. Then the United States agreed with the Arab sheikhs to reduce the price of oil for a subtle and precise blow to the economy of the then main enemy - the USSR, which was seriously sitting on the “oil needle”. Then the USSR collapsed, including from this blow, which the country's economy could not bear. And now this “oil-dependent” economy is inherited by the current Russian Federation. What the USSR, as you might guess, is very much to blame, and we have to pay for its mistakes.

In order to check whether this is true, you can look at the statistics. Having made a digression, it is necessary to add that most likely there are no other sources for obtaining data on the budget structure other than official statistical reference books, therefore it is useless to shout that clever and damned communists underestimate / overestimate the data in these reference books, since there is simply nothing else. Well, I also want to add that I do not claim the truth in the first instance, and I do not claim that my method on 100% is correct.

For the analysis of budget data I will use two collections. The first of these is “The National Economy of the USSR 1922-1982, Jubilee Statistical Yearbook”, like this:

USSR National Economy in 1990, Statistical Yearbook

The second - “National Economy of the USSR in 1990, the Statistical Yearbook”:

USSR National Economy in 1990, Statistical Yearbook

For a start, let's see what was the budget of the USSR in different years?

National Economy of the USSR 1922-1982, p. Xnumx

National economy of the USSR in 1990 g, with. Xnumx

In the form of a graph:

To understand how much of the budget revenues from the sale of oil account for, you need to look at how much the USSR sold, and how much of this export is oil.

Foreign trade of the USSR:

National Economy of the USSR 1922-1982, p. Xnumx

National economy of the USSR in 1990 g, with. Xnumx

Export structure, main products:

National Economy of the USSR 1922-1982, p. Xnumx

National economy of the USSR in 1990 g, with. Xnumx

As you can see, the export structure in the directory is indicated as a percentage, which means we will have to first convert these interest into rubles. Create a pivot table:

So, the bottom line shows how much was gained for the sale of fuel and electricity, by year.
It remains only to see what proportion of the budget they occupy. Again we will create a pivot table:

Imagine in the form of a graph:

And what do we see? The share of revenues from the sale of fuel and electricity (please pay attention to fuel and electricity) in the budget does not actually exceed 10,3% in the most “dependent” years, and on average in the period from 1980 to 1990 was about 8%. Is this the very “oil needle” that people like to talk about? It is clear that 8-10% is a lot, but to call it a “needle” (despite the fact that 8-10% is with electricity, please do not forget), in my opinion is dishonest. After all, after all, the USSR produced almost everything on its own, depended little on external goods, and it is unlikely that a decrease in oil revenues even by half could somehow greatly influence the “collapse” of the USSR. Moreover, as can be seen from the data above, the budget of the USSR grew even in those years. And it’s absolutely impossible to say that “half of the USSR’s revenues were from oil, and the Russian Federation inherited such a dependent economy”.

It remains to add that in the USSR the production cost of a barrel of oil was about $ 5, and the lowest selling price was about $ 10.

During the years of Soviet power, several large cities were built in Yamal (population 50-100 thousand people): precisely due to the "oil and gas" income - Noyabrsk, N. Urengoy, Nadym and in the Khanty-Mansi Autonomous Okrug - Kogalym, N. Vartovsk, grew three-fourfold Surgut. Everything was built at the expense of budget money (and not at the expense of the savings of the workers who worked there).

Comments

[Ihrek]

The USSR was destroyed by incompetent leaders, it began with the introduction of troops into Afghanistan, then Gorbachev's policy of concessions to the Americans, and Yeltsin put the "victory" point.

[Mitek]

You are absolutely right, Jamal! But there was still support for the countries of the socialist camp, well, European, and even freshly palms-licked ones ... And the Army ate a huge amount of funds. Then all debts to African countries were written off, because it was not realistic to return them all.

[Basarev]

But meanwhile, the Soviet Army was the most powerful in the world and therefore these huge expenditures on the army were justified

[APES]

Quote: Jamal

started with

with the massacre of Beria and the victory of Khrushchev

[Valkyrie]

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[user]

Probably, to some extent, you are right. Khrushchev’s victory destroyed the economic and production system built up to that time (by the way, I don’t touch this separate story).
As for the figures given in this article, they are perfectly correct, but there are no others - how much money was invested in the oil and gas industry and enterprises for production and processing, and most importantly, what volumes of processing were calculated, for example, an oil refinery in Belarus. This is the song the Emirates and Saudi Arabia with Cater just have a rest looking at the digits of the processing, but the processing was not designed as deep as the devil usually is in the details (there were several articles on this subject with numbers, but frankly there was simply no time to look for them). As for intelligence, so far, all the oil and gas companies work on those data.
I’m listing everything to the fact that most of the funds received from the export of hydrocarbons were invested in increasing volumes of production, exploration and processing. No wonder Russia is still, thanks to the infusion of funds in those years, in these industries is the world leader.

[velikoros-xnumx]

Quote: APES

APES RU Today, 08:57 ↑

Quote: Jamal
started with


with the massacre of Beria and the victory of Khrushchev

I agree!

[Peaceful military]

Quote: APES

Quote: Jamal

started with

with the massacre of Beria and the victory of Khrushchev

It all started in the poisoning of I.V. Stalin, and then continued with what you said.

[luka095]

Right It was Khrushchev’s coup that ultimately led to the collapse of the USSR. And now a virtual reality is being created about what was happening in the USSR. It’s very convenient - the USSR is to blame for everything, and current reforms and reformers are forced to overcome its destructive legacy ... They have been overcome for more than 20 years ...
Article "plus". Very clear.

[Kettle13]

And with the support of Zhukov Khrushchev. Or Khrushchev's victory thanks to Zhukov. Or the massacre of Beria Zhukov.

[Oskar]

One of the most powerful mines under the USSR was laid immediately after the "debunking" of the personality cult of I.V. Stalin - the father of the Soviet Empire. I am not going to evaluate Stalin, and it is impossible to give an unambiguous assessment of such a person (like Peter I, Gaius Julius Caesar, and any great ruler), but N.S. Khrushchev (on whom there was probably no less blood) put a terrible mine under the ideology Empires, having turned over in the heads of the Soviet people (and the elite, too, mind you) all the concepts and ideals that had long been mastered (for which, meanwhile, a lot of heroic blood was shed). You can’t smear ... that on which EVERYTHING is based. IMHO.

[ivshubarin]

They said exactly in the top ten. Stalin practically made the Soviet Union and was its foundation, broke the foundation and laid the foundations for collapse

[Walker1975]

And tell me, how long could you hide an awl in a sack? Forever? Do you think people did not know about "black funnels", about constant trials over "enemies of the people"?

And about the "great people". And how to evaluate Hitler? By the way he raised the Reich after the defeat in the First World War, or is it by the crimes against humanity? Let's remember how many outstanding Soviet scientists settled in the village on various denunciations ... like genetics, became a "corrupt girl of capitalism" in Lysenko's words, how prominent military leaders sat, and then they had to be urgently taken from the camps, like the same Rokossovsky.

Anyway, whatever one may say, one can starve, die and build factories and the army for the last, but in the long term, the reins must be released in the economic sector and science, otherwise the gap will accumulate - free people will make more discoveries and promote the country more. .. but it is worth releasing the reins in one and the totalitarian system will begin to collapse. If Khrushchev hadn’t - there would have been someone else who would have started to release nuts or the way to North Korea.

[alicante11]

And answer me, how long was it possible to withhold the awl in a bag? Forever?

You can look for a black cat in a roomy room for a long time. And if she’s not there yet, then it’s forever.

Anyway, whatever one may say, you can starve, die, and lastly build factories and an army

Starving and dying in 30's everywhere. But industrialization was carried out only in the USSR.

Let's remember how many prominent Soviet scientists the village on various denunciations ..

Yeah, and then they came out and became heroes of labor and prize winners. They just showed that we need to work, and not to fool around.

[ivshubarin]

The Holodomor in the USSR was staged by "friends" from the West who announced a "golden blockade" and agreed to accept payments for imports only in grain.

[yur]

Yes, people knew about "black funnels" and constant trials against the enemies of the people (without quotes) and it was right. By the way, of all my numerous relatives, not one, I emphasize, not a single person was repressed (they probably did not know how to steal) and that's all up to a single man of military age fought on the fronts of the Second World War. I do not think that all of them loved life less than we did, but they could teach us how to love the Motherland and respect its leader.

[alicante11]

The same garbage. In general, of the people with whom I spoke closely about repressions, only two spoke. The school director, for Trotskyism, the parent sat and the class teacher was proud in the restructuring that her parents were dispossessed. True, the director herself was an ardent communist. What does it have to do with a tombstone. But the blackboard couldn’t explain why her dispossessed relatives ended up not in Siberia, but in the Baltic states, whence she and her military husband came to us.

[lelyk72]

One of my acquaintances said (although maybe the thought was not his, but stolen) that "yes, there was a personality cult, but for the beginning there was a PERSONALITY !!!!!!!"

[SolomonSS]

Now in Russia, the fashion that was being done in the USSR is all bad, unnecessary, erroneous, and in general, how the USSR did all this with its plants, industry, agriculture, without the help of the outside world.
But the tsarist time was the best thing in the history of Russia, it is necessary to restore everything that was lost, churches, obelisks, monuments.
Anyway, the best friend of Russians is the West! We must level up on them.
Here is such a false mode now. Of course, one must understand that even then everything was not going smoothly. But people worked and were confident in the next day. And now it’s not comprehensible to what they have done from our country ...

[Basarev]

The USSR was far from ideal, but during the years of perestroika, a chilling horror began

[baltika-18]

Quote: SolomonSS

Now in Russia, the fashion that was done in the USSR is all bad, unnecessary, erroneous

This is not fashion, it is an ideology formed in the power structures. In the USSR, cities were built. In the Irkutsk region, Sayansk, where I once lived, was the taiga in 1970, the first wells in the brine field, there is nothing. 15 years pass — a city with 40 thousand inhabitants, a powerful chemical enterprise (6000 people), a poultry farm, a dairy, and a thermal power plant.

Quote: atalef

general deficit, damn jeans could not sew

But now our bl .. power has provided everyone with jeans. And so I would try.
the main event for them (APEC, Universiade, Olympics). All these events cost 2 trillion. 300 billion rubles.
And if it’s all into industry and agriculture, whatever the effect would be. Ugh, rub it on our leadership. That's the whole story.

[andrejwz]

Quote: Jamal

started with the introduction of troops into Afghanistan,

This nonsense about the role of Afghanistan in the collapse of the USSR economy, by the way, was also invented and launched by Gorbachev and his comrades.

[Basarev]

And rightly so - the costs of the Afghan campaign were never critical. Yes, this business was not cheap, but the USSR could easily afford it. In addition, the Soviet Union received non-sickly political dividends - the Afghans claim that the Soviet troops fought really brave and skillfully - Not like Tihari-NATO members. Moreover, they not only fought, but also built! Almost all of today's Afghan industry was built in those years.

[Basarev]

I agree, the introduction of troops into Afghanistan was a mistake, but otherwise Brezhnev was a very reasonable ruler

[alicante11]

How much this was a "mistake" we see now, when we choke on the Afghan drug trafficking. If not for us, then the Americans would have climbed in and quickly sang with the locals on the subject of drug trafficking. It's just that the Afghan war could not have been won in Afghanistan itself. Because the spirits received weapons and reinforcements from Pakistan, where they had bases and warehouses. And ours did not dare to cross the border to destroy this infrastructure. One of the solutions to the problem ... http://www.litmir.net/br/?b=18893 at the beginning of the book.

[Basarev]

I heard a legend that at first the USSR, together with India, was going to dunk Pakistan

[alicante11]

So what then stopped? If anything, the packs had nuclear weapons.

[yur]

It seems to me that in those years, Pakistan did not yet have nuclear weapons.

[alicante11]

True, although they started to create from the 78 year. Then all the same, what stopped it?

[Army1]

Quote: Jamal

The USSR was destroyed by incompetent leaders, it began with the introduction of troops into Afghanistan, then Gorbachev's policy of concessions to the Americans, and Yeltsin put the "victory" point.

Yes, and traitors in one person.

[chunga-changa]

What does Afghanistan have to do with it, tell me that it all started with the introduction of troops into Hungary in 1956. And the role of Gorbachev-Shevarnadze and other leadership of the USSR is yes, here is pure state. treason.

[Yarosvet]

Quote: Jamal

USSR ruined mediocre leaders

What makes you think that they were mediocre?
They set themselves the goal of usurping the public heritage, and for this it was necessary to discredit socialism / communism and, as a result, destroy the Union, which they did very well.

It is just strange to blame the mediocrity of scum who have achieved their goal.

[Altona]

There were a lot of sensible people and professionals in the Central Committee of the CPSU ... But the Politburo, of course, was already not the same, old and without drive ...

[Andrey57]

The USSR was destroyed not by "talentless leaders" but by quite deliberately acting traitors and Judas - Yakovlev, Gorbachev and the rest of the spanking company of corrupt creatures.

[carbofo]

Quote: Jamal

The USSR was destroyed by incompetent leaders, it began with the introduction of troops into Afghanistan, then Gorbachev's policy of concessions to the Americans, and Yeltsin put the "victory" point.

I can not agree with all the allegations that you brought, do not interfere with the traitors and normal in one heap.
Here 37 + instructed you, AND FOR WHAT ??, if your words are mutually exclusive to each other.
It's like putting Assad and the cannibals from the warring Papuans on the same line! incorrectly, and all together like like, and tried to read it?

[alicante11]

And who is superfluous there? Yakovlev or Gorbi or EBN?

[starshina78]

Oil was sold abroad for hard currency, and the USSR was in dire need of hard currency to purchase the necessary goods. If everything is clear within the framework of the CMEA, then the US cannot be paid with the ruble. In the eighties, the share of goods bought for currency increased, this was due to the fact that the USSR spent too much on the development and updating of military equipment for all branches of the military, which in turn caused underfunding of the production of consumer goods (many who lived in the USSR remember that In the eighties, the deficit of consumer goods was felt more and more). And it was necessary! Hence the increase in oil and gas sales abroad closer to the eighties. Not for nothing, on denunciations and slander against Lyudmila Zykina, the Minister of Culture said: "Yes, to hell with her! Let him do what he wants! She carries more currency into the country than Stankoimport."

[Engineer]

You are not right about Afghanistan because you do not understand the goals of this war. And the afterwords of the withdrawal of troops could be seen in each gateway after. What is your memory short or fortunate that none of your relatives or friends were familiar with drugs?

[Nitarius]

That's it DEPENDENCE NOT ON OIL!
It is now WESTERN PUPPIES spit and EARS and think that they BELIEVE!
LONG TALK, enter ARTICLE SHOT.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Nitarius

That's it DEPENDENCE NOT ON OIL!

Yes, I do not want to

Quote: Nitarius

It is now WESTERN PUPPIES spit and EARS and think that they BELIEVE!

I don’t listen to them, but I remember what kind of doldrums were in the USSR, the table for 1983-90 revenues especially touched. Such tables for whom they painted if only the vodka company ran into the economy. And the collapsed oil finished off. Although who remembers it now, yes gentlemen communists

[ATATA]

I must say that even now oil and gas in the GDP of the Russian Federation make up less than 7%.
And as already mentioned: "It is difficult to find a country that would not dream of such an oil" curse "as in Russia."

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: ATATA

I must say that even now oil and gas in the GDP of the Russian Federation make up less than 7%.

What are you saying, don’t dare to break the stereotypes of the people. The people believe that the USSR was not dependent on oil, so it was not dependent

[Yarosvet]

Quote: ATATA

I must say that even now oil and gas in the GDP of the Russian Federation make up less than 7%.

[ATATA]

Read not RBC, but statistical documents.
The share of the oil and gas sector in Russia's GDP in 2012 was 6,8%.

[Dazdranagon]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

That's it DEPENDENCE NOT ON OIL!
Yes, I do not want to

- at least now the addiction is more ...

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Dazdranagon

- at least now the addiction is more ..

Now the economy is open and you know more about it, but you can find out about the economy of the USSR only from articles and pictures. The dependence was not small.

[Su-9]

Alexander, your dispute with people who do not understand the numbers and do not understand how the USSR budget was considered pointless.
Here it is necessary to explain by showing which part of the budget of the USSR was real and which consisted of smelting cast iron and digging it into the ground.
Then the income from energy resources will immediately jump to 25-35% in "fat" years. Although the years were certainly not bold - many did not dream of a home phone ...

[Mikado]

in the article, the author generally says that the dependence was not small

[Ribwort]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

The dependence was not small.

Curious. The USSR almost completely satisfied the domestic demand for goods, exported them an order of magnitude more, and at the same time "the dependence is not small." Now, in comparison with the USSR, we practically do not produce anything, most of the goods are imported, we export much less than we import, and the dependence on oil is 7%. Let me ask: what then do we live on?

[atalef]

Quote: Ribwort

Quote: Alexander Romanov

The dependence was not small.

Curious. The USSR almost completely satisfied the domestic demand for goods, exported them an order of magnitude more, and at the same time "the dependence is not small." Now, in comparison with the USSR, we practically do not produce anything, most of the goods are imported, we export much less than we import, and the dependence on oil is 7%. Let me ask: what then do we live on?

What goods?
What exported and where?

[Ribwort]

Quote atalef: What products?
What exported and where?

Export structure: In the three decades after World War II, great changes took place in the structure of Soviet exports. They are associated with a high level of development of science and technology, mechanical engineering, as well as with the deepening of international specialization and cooperation, as a result of which Soviet exports are acquiring an increasingly pronounced industrial character. At the same time, the export of many types of raw materials, semi-finished products and materials is systematically expanding, the sale of which in the foreign market provides high foreign exchange earnings ... The operations on the sale of licenses and "know-how" (technologies) are constantly increasing. Ores, metals and metal products, timber and pulp and paper products continue to play an important role in exports; the share of food products and raw materials for their production is decreasing. The export of machinery and equipment from the USSR in 2 amounted to 1975 billion rubles. (4,5 billion rubles in 1). However, due to the rapid growth in exports of products of a number of other commodity groups, the share of exports of machinery and equipment in 1960 was even less than in 1975. The Soviet Union is a large exporter of metallurgical, energy, chemical and other industrial equipment. Machine tools occupy an important place in the export of engineering products. The USSR exports not only scattered equipment, but also complete plants and installations for various industries. The export of tractors, trucks, and especially cars, ships, helicopters and airplanes has acquired great importance. Large volumes of exported television sets, watches, products of the optical and instrument-making industries, radioactive isotopes, complex medical equipment and pharmaceuticals.

Trade with developing countries. The Soviet Union supplies a wide range of goods, the most important of which are machinery and equipment for various industries, including complete equipment, instruments, tools, road-building machines, tractors and agricultural machines, means of transport, and military equipment. Developing countries account for 29% of all machinery and equipment exported by the USSR. Industrial raw materials and supplies, oil and oil products, ferrous and non-ferrous metals, pipes, cement, food and industrial consumer goods are also supplied in large volumes.

Trade with industrialized capitalist countries. The commodity circulation of the USSR with the industrially developed capitalist countries reached 1975 billion rubles in 15,8, exceeding the 1965 level by 5,6 times. The share of these countries in the trade of the USSR increased to 31%.
The Soviet Union exports to the industrialized capitalist countries many types of raw materials and materials - oil and oil products, raw materials for the metallurgical industry, metals, pulp, paper, various types of timber and textile materials. Machines and equipment occupy a small share in the USSR’s export to these countries, although their nomenclature is already quite wide - metal-cutting machines, press-forging equipment, power and electrical equipment, mining and metallurgical equipment, watches, devices, televisions, tools, cars, etc. .

Worth continuing?

[atalef]

Quote: Ribwort

The Soviet Union exports to the industrialized capitalist countries many types of raw materials and materials - oil and oil products, raw materials for the metallurgical industry, metals, pulp, paper, various types of timber and textile materials. Machines and equipment occupy a small share in the USSR’s export to these countries, although their nomenclature is already quite wide - metal-cutting machines, press-forging equipment, power and electrical equipment, mining and metallurgical equipment, watches, devices, televisions, tools, cars, etc. .

Quote: Ribwort

Worth continuing?

No . not worth it, nothing has changed. Thanks for the detailed answer to my question.

[Ribwort]

You saw only what you wanted to see. Myopia? Well, I focus on:

Quote: Ribwort

Of great importance was the export of tractors, trucks and especially cars, ships, helicopters and airplanes. Televisions, watches, optical and instrument-making products, radioactive isotopes, sophisticated medical equipment and pharmaceuticals are exported in large volumes.

Quote: Ribwort

The Soviet Union supplies a wide range of goods, the most important of which are machinery and equipment for various industries, including complete equipment, instruments, tools, road-building machines, tractors and agricultural machines, means of transport, and military equipment. Developing countries account for 29% of all machinery and equipment exported by the USSR.

Nothing has changed, say? Oh well...

[soldier's grandson]

household appliances in Japan and England

[alicante11]

Yes, you sho? And maybe we will not take quotes without context?

Trade with developing countries. The Soviet Union supplies a wide range of goods, the most important of which are machinery and equipment for various industries, including complete equipment, instruments, tools, road-building machines, tractors and agricultural machines, means of transport, and military equipment. Developing countries account for 29% of all machinery and equipment exported by the USSR

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AND WHY to deliver engineering products to developed countries that have their own industry? At the same time, to fight against barrage duties and at the same time compete, instead, it is much more profitable to sell to the Papuans. And also inside the CMEA.

[Simon]

Of course, consumer goods have collapsed in our country, it is all falling from China and Europe, but in heavy engineering, nuclear energy and the export of military equipment we have a good priority.

[ATATA]

Quote: atalef

What goods?
What exported and where?

Are you making money for stars?
It seems like you get the cons, but then how the hell out of the snuffbox get out with 3 stars?

[alicante11]

Jews like professors are gaining stars by reprinting translations from the Israeli press. For articles like a lot of rate is given.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: atalef

What goods?

Gas, oil, cars, military equipment

Quote: atalef

What exported and where?

Mongolia, Cuba, Vietnam, Africa - the truth is most cases as a gift Well, oil and gas to Europe, as now.

[Sour]

Quote: Ribwort

Curious. The USSR almost completely satisfied the domestic demand for goods, exported them an order of magnitude more, and at the same time "the dependence is not small."

Have you ever lived in the USSR?
What goods? The whole country, who had at least some money, dressed and put on shoes in imports. Mostly, of course, from allied countries, but not only. For example, I had a Japanese jacket and a Chinese winter hat (this was in Brezhnev's time). Now I tried to remember what I generally had from Russian clothes and shoes. And I didn’t remember right away. Is that a sheepskin coat.

[alicante11]

Sheepskin coat just Soviet nebylo. They were called short fur coats, especially men's. So remember better. Only those who had nothing to do were dressed in imports, only chasing after imports. And so the clothes were not bad.

[Hudo]

Quote: alicante11

. And so the clothes were not bad.

In any case, this clothing was made from materials that have GOST, and not from some poisonous chemical rubbish of unknown origin, the presence of which in the composition of fabrics is now not guaranteed even when purchased in a store.
I will not say anything about the quality of goods for children - now you can only dream of such QUALITY sweetly.

[yur]

Honestly, I bought new shoes (Soviet) only because the old one was annoying. Yes, she was not as beautiful as the present, but she didn’t fall apart in a month. Well, the fact that it was made of natural materials, and not of chemistry, everyone knows that.

[Hudo]

Quote: yur

Well, the fact that it was made from natural materials, and not from chemistry.

I talked on this topic with a former technologist at the deceased in Bose with the help of catastrophes and effective managers of a shoe factory. I was struck by the fact that some plastic parts were supposed to be installed on children's winter boots ... an experimental batch was sent already to Moscow to the research institute to clarify the issue of safety for children's health in this regard. And now, in stores with children's things, the chemical stink of an eye eats up - as if the Vietnamese’s pndoses poison chemistry on the Ho Chi Minh Trail.

Quote: yur

everybody knows this.

No, not all. One Washed Brain minus me.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Ribwort

Curious. The USSR almost completely satisfied the domestic demand for goods,

Yes, I remember the lines and the general shortage. I remember that to buy a car, it was necessary to stand in line for a couple of years. I remember what a blat is, not to buy, but to get it! The most prestigious and necessary profession is a commodity researcher in a store. I remember how the crowd choked in line for toilet paper and much more. And I also remember the trams and buses that I couldn’t beat at all, who drove people on Sundays to a flea market on Sundays where they boiled up with scarce clothes for a price of three more than in the store. So do not write lies !!!

[alicante11]

That's about the flea market - this is really complete lies. Flea markets in the USSR could not exist due to the fact that there was no legal entrepreneurship. There were collective-farm markets, there were market-sheds where grandmothers sold garden products. A flea market - it has too much turnover and great visibility. The OBHSS would immediately have gone there if the clogged buses went there. Flea markets began to grow after the start of perestroika.

[Ribwort]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Yes, I remember the lines and the general shortage.

The queues were not from a lack of production, but rather due to distribution problems. What was not delivered to the village could be bought without any queues in a nearby town. What, in fact, did. Basically, I repeat, it was possible to get by with domestic products. Try to do it now for comparison. I wonder how much you have enough.
The general deficit, with the introduction of food stamps, was towards the end of perestroika, the beginning of the 90s. But there is something pointless to talk about the USSR.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Ribwort

that which was not delivered to the village could be bought without any queues in a nearby town.

No need la la, I lived in the city and we just went to remote villages to get in there.

Quote: Ribwort

. Try to do it now for comparison. I wonder how much you have enough.

Yes, it’s easy, we have shops where they do not sell Chinese consumer goods, but domestic jackets.

Quote: Ribwort

The general deficit, with the introduction of food stamps, was towards the end of perestroika, the beginning of the 90s. But there is something pointless to talk about the USSR.

And before perestroika, there was a shortage, even sweets in parcels were sent to each other. Do not squander wishful thinking.

[Ribwort]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

No need la la, I lived in the city and we just went to remote villages to get in there.

Well, damn it, we probably lived in different countries. On the contrary, we went from a village on the border of the Tver and Moscow regions to Dubna or to Konakovo ... However, this only confirms the fact that there were problems with the distribution of products. Somewhere it is in abundance, and somewhere there is a deficit ...

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Yes Easy...

I doubt it. Even if you take one category of goods - food, I doubt it very much.

Quote: Alexander Romanov

And before perestroika, there was a shortage, even sweets in parcels were sent to each other.

And again: is this a problem of insufficient production or distribution of goods?

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Ribwort

Well, damn it, we probably lived in different countries.

In different regions for sure.

Quote: Ribwort

I doubt it. Even if you take one category of goods - food, I doubt it very much.

Food??? Go to the market, go to any store, there are Chinese, but there are plenty of domestic ones. Or are you shopping at a cool supermarket?

Quote: Ribwort

And again: is this a problem of insufficient production or distribution of goods?

Hmm, and you know, when in Leningrad, all the bosses of the bases where vegetables came were transplanted, there was no shortage for some time, and then everything started again.

[atalef]

Ribwort (1) Today, 11:16 ↑ New
Well, damn it, we probably lived in different countries. On the contrary, we went from a village on the border of the Tver and Moscow regions to Dubna or to Konakovo ... However, this only confirms the fact that there were problems with the distribution of products. Somewhere it is in abundance, and somewhere there is a deficit ...

Indeed, you probably lived in another country, and went to the region to pack clothes, because sometimes they brought to COOP that grandmothers in the village and what the hell didn’t need, but in the city it was impossible to get it, and there was a shortage, always and everywhere and order tables were both the black market and forza, etc.
Do not pass off what is chewed as real, the 80s were heavy with periodic disappearance of sugar, toothpaste, soap, powder and coupons, for vodka, then household appliances, then furniture, and indeed, go to Kiev (from St. Petersburg) to buy Adidas costume (in Kiev at the flea market they were cheaper), then to drive on the Galerka in St. Petersburg - romantic - and it is clear that all these movements were solely from the "abundance" you invented

[Ribwort]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Yes, I do not want to

Even if, in your opinion, it was, then:
Quote: "During the years of Soviet power, several large cities (with a population of 50-100 thousand people) were built on Yamal: precisely due to the" oil and gas "income - Noyabrsk, N. Urengoy, Nadym and in the Khanty-Mansi Autonomous Okrug - Kogalym, N. Vartovsk, three times - Surgut has grown fourfold. "
You do not want to calculate how many palaces, yachts were built on the proceeds of the sale of oil over the past 20 years, expensive cars were bought and the offspring of power-holders learned abroad? And how, for example, have children's benefits changed?

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Ribwort

You don’t want to calculate how many palaces were built on oil revenues over the past 20 years,

But you don’t want to calculate how these representatives of the Soviet government, who had recently shouted Lenin’s cheers, plundered the country to the point.100 billion dollars of debts with an empty treasury. You do not want to ask Zyuganov where the gold reserves of the country went, almost 3000 tons of gold. would you now have to make up for everything prono how much effort and money are needed. Would you like to know how many tens of billions of dollars the Communists gave to the banana republics? Or you have a desire, only to see what you want to see.

[nov_tech.vrn]

I remember! consumer goods were supplied mainly from the CMEA countries for transferable rubles, I myself wore Yugoslav and Czechoslovak shoes, Bulgarian shirts and suits from the GDR and Czechoslovakia, the kitchen was Polish, and the so-called "living room" from Romania, there were also bookshelves from Romania and Czechoslovakia. for some reason they called them "Czech", and wine glasses made of Czech glass until not all were beaten, and he almost did not smoke Bulgarian cigarettes, preferred "Rostov".
At first CMEA was destroyed, and then Gorbachev rushed to buy consumer goods for currency, having closed factories in the USSR for reconstruction, so to speak, who smoked the shag that was left in the store to get it? And also, I remember how at night I drove around Moscow in a taxi for a few cigarettes!

[atalef]

At first CMEA was destroyed, and then Gorbachev rushed to buy consumer goods for currency, having closed factories in the USSR for reconstruction, so to speak, who smoked the shag that was left in the store to get it? And also, I remember how at night I drove around Moscow in a taxi for a few cigarettes!

When. With the fall in oil revenues, the USSR could not feed all this CMEA, then everything fell apart, but it was better not to write about our factories and consumer goods, it was hard to imagine a more miserable spectacle, there was a general shortage, damn jeans could not be sewn (of course, in jeans happiness) but as a fact and so on in everything, the USSR consumer goods was simply wretched, Look at SevKorea - it is no different from Soviet clothes, and generally I am silent about the life of technology, but what can I say - it’s a shame for the country launching rockets into space - Riga washroom patent 1926

[So_o_tozh]

When my father-in-law, a naval sailor, seemed to be in Syria in the 60s, teaching Arabs ..., there he bought nylon shirts and sent them to his brother in the village, the girls at the "disco" were surrounded by girls and touched the wonderful material from which they were sewn shirt, guess where it was made?) Answer: Ivanovo, Moscow. obl., although in the Union they could not be found with fire in the daytime, ducks and chickens in vacuum packaging frozen from the Ukrainian SSR were also sold there, I saw these only in the 2000s.

[baltika-18]

Quote: So_o_tozh

) answer: Ivanovo, Moscow. reg.

Ivanovo actually in the Moscow region. never been. It is a regional center since the 20s of the 20th century.

[alicante11]

When. with the fall in oil revenues, the USSR was not able to feed all this CMEA, then everything fell apart

Not without it. But oil has nothing to do with it. In the article they showed you that this is a lie. Insolent and shameless.

Look at SevKorea - no different from Soviet clothes

Well, we have North Koreans, and they are no different from us, also in Chinese clothes. Here, too, not everyone can afford to dress "haute couture".

and about the life of technology - I’m generally silent, but what can I say - it’s a shame for the country launching a rocket into space - Riga, patent 1926 year

That's right, you better be silent. And then we, for example, had a machine with a centrifuge. handles no longer had to squeeze. Automatic machines, of course, will not be remembered, but it is not a fact that in the West everybody had them in their homes at that time. There were cassette tape recorders. I had a portable one for children, and my parents had a double-cassette music center. In my opinion, "Tom" was called. Each family had TVs. Moreover, they were colored in the mid-80s, only the grandmother had black and white. The father and grandmother still have Soviet refrigerators. And all sorts of newfangled foreign and screwdriver assemblies have already changed three pieces only in our family. An electronic watch is quite a wrist watch without a cuckoo pendulum. Even electronic games were - egg traps, less often octopuses. And at the expense of jeans. And to hell with them. Firstly, they were not specially made, like an enemy brand, and secondly, these jeans are messy. I remember at school and at the institute I ironed my trousers twice a week. And I was like in jeans for several years, now I can not bring myself to when I had to fit into my trousers again.

[Motors1991]

Since the late 70s, Vyatka cars were called washing machines, they stood in all department stores, they cost 400 rubles.

[atalef]

Quote: Motors1991

Since the late 70s, Vyatka cars were called washing machines, they stood in all department stores, they cost 400 rubles.

Since the beginning of the 80s and not in all stores Progress chesslovo, By the way, 400 rubles - the teacher's salary (at one rate) for how many months?

[Motors1991]

The teacher’s salary was about two hundred rubles, with more allowances. I don’t know how Israeli, but the Ukrainian teacher today can’t buy a washing machine for one salary.

[atalef]

Quote: Motors1991

The teacher’s salary was about two hundred rubles, with more allowances. I don’t know how Israeli, but the Ukrainian teacher today can’t buy a washing machine for one salary.

190 rub - one and a half rates. by a drink of not heavy calculations --- 140 rub rate (taking into account the best management)
.

Quote: Motors1991

I don’t know how Israeli, but the Ukrainian teacher even today cannot buy a washing machine for one salary.

And for 3 patches?
We are not talking about Israel or Ukraine. we are talking about the USSR.

[alicante11]

But Ukraine was not in the USSR? Or did she get out of the tariff grid? There was even more in the Far East, even more in the north.

[Motors1991]

Nevertheless, the Soviet consumer goods were quite solid, then we still did not know the Chinese quality, and were equal to Europe and the United States. You can walk around the market and you will be sure to offer something, respectfully calling it still sovdepovskoe, i.e. .qualitatively, just many things were so mundane that I always wanted something that others didn’t have. I didn’t say anything about food, since then I have never eaten normal sausages, ice cream, or drank normal cognac, beer, whose shelf life was 7 days, not half a year, as it is now. I sadly tell her how we watched American films and envied the fool of their can beer. And for these cans we drained the country, we, like the Papuans, were bought for shiny trinkets.

[atalef]

There was no Soviet consumer goods, there was squalor. Damn the tales of what to tell, I’m old enough, let's return you at that time, and your son is the same, I wonder what he will tell you

[Motors1991]

This squalor was made of good materials, pure cotton, clean wool and in everyday life people dressed in Russian. And as for the time, very many would like to go back there. Once they walked along the street with their son and I showed him two houses, they and today it’s big. So I say, our simple driver built it for himself and his son. Then they told this man that he doesn’t live well, he doesn’t have a TV with a Japanese TV. He went out into the yard, lifted his head at his skyscrapers, smelled the nape of the head and said, but the truth is Shaw Tse I have a video of Nem, Mercedes Nem, I ride a Lada and really live poorly. Now he lives well, but now he’s not able to build a house, he’s not even able to build a veranda in his hut condition. Not everything is just gear measured.

[atalef]

Quote: Motors1991

This squalor was made of solid materials, pure cotton, pure wool

Well ? By the way, do not rush about the solid one, viscose was in everything, but 80% of the population had fur coats from artificial fur, normal fur coats from natural fur. only with the fall of the USSR and saw.

Quote: Motors1991

and in everyday life, people dressed in domestic

And there was no other, and I have never seen. what would someone say. I don’t need an import, I will go to the domestic

Quote: Motors1991

As for time, many would want to return there.

\ Most of all, those who did not live at that time and listened to stories from those times
Everything else you wrote, I'm sorry, it sounds like baby talk.

Quote: Motors1991

Shaw tse I have a video of Nem, Mercedes Nem, I drive a Lada and really live poorly

I travel to Zhiguli - well, just the average Russian peasant in the 80's. How old are you?

Quote: Motors1991

and.Not all just with gear is measured.

But their absence is the same. It seems that in the USSR, well, it was just everything except clothes.

[Motors1991]

I’m only 54 years old, the average peasant could just afford to ride a Lada; he still rides those Lada. If you were kind enough to sit in a research institute for a hundred rubles, then you could not afford it, and those who worked in production didn’t live in poverty, they could go to the sea in Sochi once a year and go to relatives all over the Union, so there’s no need to giggle. When you stop spending money from around the world, then we giggle, and This moment is approaching inexorably and I hope to live to see it and then see what you will walk in.

[atalef]

I’m only 54 years old, the average peasant could just afford to ride a Lada, and to this day he ride those Lada

then you never lived in a village or in a village

If you were kind enough to sit in a research institute for a hundred rubles, then you could not afford it, but who worked in production, t

Tell me about life in the countryside, thank God lived, still sick of the garden and beds

, they didn’t live in poverty, they could go to the sea in Sochi once a year and go to relatives all over the Union, so there’s no need to giggle

We had a peat enterprise even in the season - earning 700 rubles a month, it wasn’t anything out of the ordinary, but it’s strange, for some reason only the director (a hero of social labor) and some engineers, and hard workers, saved them on a Lada, and in agriculture they earned less, units traveled, but the average --- at least do not lie to yourself

b. When money ceases to float from all over the world, then we giggle, and this moment is inexorably approaching and I hope to live to see it and then see what you will go into.

Of course, when there is nothing to cover, we immediately turn to individuals,
By the way, do not hope you will not survive

[alicante11]

Tell me about life in the countryside, thank God lived, still sick of the garden and beds

And it makes me sick. Although a city dweller. And three "garden plots" in "dashing-90" with their parents had to be processed.

[Ribwort]

Quote: Sour

The whole country, who had at least some money, dressed and put on shoes in imports.

Quote: Motors1991

and in everyday life, people dressed in domestic.

Quote: atalef

And there was no other, and I have never seen.

And how to understand this? You, reproaching the USSR, you’ll somehow decide among yourself how to lie better.

[alicante11]

And there is no time to think and coordinate. It is necessary to fill in messages, work out the loot.

[alicante11]

Well ? By the way, do not rush about the solid one, viscose was in everything, but 80% of the population had fur coats from artificial fur, normal fur coats from natural fur. only with the fall of the USSR and saw.

Yes, you sho? This is with regards to the sheepskin coat. And katsaveiks were on every second woman. Nonsense enough to carry.

And there was no other, and I have never seen. what would someone say. I don’t need an import, I will go to the domestic

Well, did not come across, then with normal people. As they say, like reaches for like.

I travel to Zhiguli - well, just the average Russian peasant in the 80's. How old are you?

By the way, the peasant of the 80's. He lived very well. When we came to the collective farm for a carrot from school. Local boys in full dissected on scooters. And we were great only.

But their absence is the same. It seems that in the USSR, well, it was just everything except clothes.

And they were. Just a smaller assortment was.

[atalef]

Yes you are. as I understand it, this period only from the stories of grandparents do you know how old you are?

[Valentine]

All this is very sad. It turns out that the Soviet Union fell apart not because the enemy was at the gates, not because of a natural disaster, not because there was nothing to eat, and people froze in unheated rooms in winter. No, it’s all to blame for the banal cock-like attributes - clothes and cars. Eh, they could not bring up the New Man in the Union ...

[alicante11]

Who told you such nonsense (about there is nothing and freezing in winter) - spit in the face, because a liar.

[yur]

Do you know, you asked an interesting question? Now, if this son went to a children's recreation center for free during the summer holidays, then flew away to visit his grandmother in the Far East for several tens of rubles, if he knew firmly that at the end of school he would not have to go around looking for work because . thousands of huge enterprises are waiting for him, if he was sure that in a few years he would receive a FREE apartment, it would be interesting what would he tell you, Atalef?

[alicante11]

And enough for me. And do not tell Jewish bedtime stories. And to return at that time - with pleasure. But with only one amendment, so that the Union does not collapse and does not have to survive in 90 later.

[alone]

Quote: Motors1991

Nevertheless, the Soviet consumer goods were quite solid,

well, you bent, of course. all those who lived in those days remembered Yugoslavian boots and Hungarian shoes, costumes of the GDR and the USSR, Finnish Teklas raincoat, and much more. Not to mention furniture, about crystal, about dining services, etc. d

[Motors1991]

Why bent? I do not dispute the lack of high-quality imports, in principle, everyone could buy a Finnish costume and Czech shoes, but in everyday life they went mostly in the domestic and again, it’s not just junk. I wrote above that any a hard worker, if he wanted to, could build a house, a cottage. In general, the eighties was a construction boom, only the lazy ones weren’t built, where would we live, if we hadn’t set up housing, of course there were minuses, all these anti-alcohol companies, production was in a fever from above, when Gorbachev stopped hitting headquarters, read to the ministries, planning was broken, as a result of which there were shortages of powder, soap and the devil knew what, a couple of years ago, nobody had a headache. I had to work in large production campaigns, so inside, their planning has not changed since Soviet times, only the appropriation of labor results has changed, when the main cash flow goes into one pocket.

[atalef]

Why bent? I do not dispute the lack of quality imports, in principle, everyone could buy a Finnish costume, Czech shoes,

What country did you live in? Where is your average peasant riding a Lada, and in the store anyone could freely buy what a Finnish costume, what Czech shoes

I already wrote above that any hard worker could build a house, a cottage if he wanted. In general, the eighties, this is already above, I wrote that any hard worker could build a house, a cottage if he wanted. In general, the eighties is a construction boom, but

Get 6 acres, but to build a cottage, only in a garden partnership, where to get there was a problem, etc., etc.
I didn’t think that at age 54 people knew how to lie, they would be ashamed

[Motors1991]

And I lived in the Soviet Union, I have something to compare with. When you poke things with things, I will ask a simple question: Today, a lot of people can afford to wear German or Czech shoes, dress in Finnish jackets and costumes. All this is available in selling, but at such prices that the teachers you're worried about don’t even go to these stores so as not to get upset, they dress almost exclusively in Chinese, Turkish consumer goods. So tell your tales about your hated Soviet Union to your grandchildren at night.

[alone]

Quote: nov_tech.vrn

Gorbachev rushed to buy consumer goods for currency, having closed factories in the USSR for reconstruction, so to speak, who smoked the shag left in the store by thieves? And also, I remember how at night I drove around Moscow in a taxi for a few cigarettes!

we then remember that generation, but for young people it sounds wild.

[Natalia]

Nuuuuu mlyn .... minded Sashik, you might think that there is no truth in his words. Or maybe the truth is there, but it’s not pleasant to everyone )))

PS It’s right now I’m supposedly interceded, but somehow you know, it’s not customary to see Alexander Romanov already in (- 18) ....

[baltika-18]

Quote: Natalia

It’s right now I’m supposedly interceded, but somehow you don’t know how to see Alexander Romanov already in (- 18).

From me, a minus for "right now, it seems to intercede." I can't stand it when the language is distorted (even as a joke, maybe).

[Natalia]

Quote: baltika-18

From me, a minus for "right now, it seems to intercede." I can't stand it when the language is distorted (even as a joke, maybe).

rude and not feminine .... )))))

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: baltika-18

From me, minus for "right now, like interceded

What difficulties?

[Sterlya]

Leopard change his spots. that's all from him. everyone is silent about the anti-alcohol company. and then, because of this, the budget was also missed a lot, and so on.

[Basarev]

And the most valuable varieties of Kuban grapes were almost completely exterminated!

[alone]

the grave abandoned the hunchback.

[Keeper]

Conclusion: It is necessary to return RUBLE the status of the world currency and urgently START TRADING WITH THE WORLD FOR RUBLES !!!!!

[Natalia]

The share of revenues from the sale of fuel and electricity (please pay attention - fuel and electricity) in the budget does not actually exceed 10,3% in the most “dependent” years, and on average between 1980 and 1990 it was about 8%.

That’s exactly what we should strive for, 8-10%, and now nothing ... Another plus to everything is to assume that all the same oil and gas should still belong entirely to the state, and now it’s 50 + 1%.

Well, so that the country does not break up, the most important thing here is to prevent any Gorbachevs .... and remember that liberalism is the father of the puncture.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Natalia

That's exactly what we need to strive for, 8-10%, and now nothing

Hi Natasha! I don’t think that it was necessary to strive for such a way, our export is on paper, but in fact it includes the supply of military equipment to billions of dollars as a gift or credit. There are revenues on paper, but the treasury is empty. For such incomes as in the table and wipe out the entire gold and foreign exchange reserve, hmm

[Natalia]

Hello! Yes, I basically about the utopian idea that our country does not depend on oil and gas a little more than completely.)))

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Natalia

Yes, I basically about the utopian idea that our country does not depend on oil and gas a little more than completely.)))

Really Utopian

[Valkyrie]

If Russia does not return to a planned economy, we, ordinary people, will be a complete pi-ts. Whoever can, they’ll wander to the West, but there, too, a pi-ts is not far off. Given that the reserves of natural resources are disastrously coming to an end, then 8-10% will be very much for Russia. Perhaps now it’s a lot. Those who, after Gorbachev, ruled and ruled the country, continued to bring his case to the end. To transfer natural resources into the hands of the state, you need a completely different policy and completely different policies, you are right.

[Basarev]

Let’s stand for power ourselves! We’ll create a party, write attractive slogans and begin to fulfill them in order to prove to everyone that even people from the people can succeed in an honest political struggle!

[alicante11]

Now, if she was still honest. And then it is worth the movement to move a little, as half of its top will be bought, and half will be killed / imprisoned.

[Basarev]

Difficulties should not stop us; only by overcoming them will we become stronger!

[alicante11]

Once upon a time I thought so: (... And now the saying comes to mind "you can't beat your butt with a whip." Although there is another one. "You can't drink all of vodka, but you can strive for it."

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Basarev

we will write attractive slogans and we will begin to fulfill them

Attractive , sho the authorities wanted. Jeans attractive buy yourself

[atalef]

That’s exactly what we should strive for, 8-10%, and now nothing ... Another plus to everything is to assume that all the same oil and gas should still belong entirely to the state, and now it’s 50 + 1%.

Like in Vinisuel , but what's the point?

[Natalia]

Quote: atalef

Like in Vinisuela, but what's the point?

Well, Russia is not Venezuela, Russia is much more powerful, there will be a sense, the most that is huge, because our "friends" will lose the last trump card in the sleeve.

[atalef]

Natalia (2) Today, 19:26 ↑
Quote: atalef
Like in Vinisuela, but what's the point?
Well, Russia is not Venezuela, Russia is much more powerful, there will be a sense, the most that is huge, because our "friends" will lose the last trump card in the sleeve.

You mean that in Russia it is easier to restore order than in tiny Venezuela?

[Natalia]

Quote: atalef

You mean that in Russia it is easier to restore order than in tiny Venezuela?

But nooo, I mean, if Russia does not depend on energy prices, then America, as it were, will become useless ... something like this)

Well, how else can you explain, mmmmm: it's like a vampire who is not afraid of light, holy water, crucifixion. In short, a solid advantage without weaknesses.

[Simon]

I want to add. And Yeltsin is the same.

[Natalia]

Quote: Simon

I want to add. And Yeltsin is the same.

Exactly )

[alone]

I propose creating a ministry of national happiness and appointing to this position ... mmm ... well, you yourself somehow find a lucky person who will give happiness to the people of Russia

[Natalia]

Quote: lonely

I propose creating a ministry of national happiness and appointing to this position ... mmm ... well, you yourself somehow find a lucky person who will give happiness to the people of Russia

Shaw Yavlinsky ??? Yet his program "500 days" is called, 500 days will pass and oops .... everyone is happy. Mishania Prokhorov, proposes to create from Russia, SSR (United States of Russia) to divide it into 5 large so-called. states and to abolish the status of autonomous regions and all republics in general, and well, to cancel the draft to the army and also promises a lot of happiness, because as he says: "We are a fashionable nation" ... well, it is clear WE ARE A FASHION NATION)))) )))))

[ivshubarin]

Yakubovich and call the ministry "Field of Miracles" in the country of fools

[atalef]

Quote: lonely

I propose creating a ministry of national happiness and appointing to this position ... mmm ... well, you yourself somehow find a lucky person who will give happiness to the people of Russia

Omar, you are plagiarizing, this ministry is in Venezuela - now they’ll definitely happily heal,

[alone]

Quote: atalef

Omar, you are plagiarizing, this ministry is in Venezuela

only now they forgot Madura to explain that happiness is individual, not collective. And from the fact that let's say I'm happy with my wife, this does not mean that everyone is happy in this regard.))

Quote: atalef

they will surely heal happily

the old film remembered the old one. The wonderful actor Ivan Ryzhov played the role of one simple Russian peasant. and that he was not told, he answered with sincere simplicity:

"I doubt it, however!"

[makarov]

1 kilowatt / hour also cost 2 kopecks. And with the salaries available, they stole a penny of electricity.
There was time and there were cellars
It was the case and prices were reduced.
And the channels flowed where needed
And in the end, where necessary, fell into.
V.S.

[borisjdin1957]

from the Don.
The hedgehog understood that there was no collapse in oil prices, it was that stone after which there was a rock fall that buried the USSR under itself. There were other reasons, including the USSR’s confrontation against the Western WORLD. One country was against, practically, everyone, also giving weapons , equipment, factories: Papuans :!

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: borisjdin1957

The hedgehog understood that there was no collapse in oil prices, was that stone, after which there was a rockfall, which buried the USSR under itself

Yes, it’s about economics, but you added politics. Although they walked alongside, but ....

[ivshubarin]

So the US pressure on the Saudis brought down oil prices, it was not profitable for the Saudis, but they could not argue with the USA then

[treskoed]

I thought, but after the USSR, nothing appeared in the country! Around import. And there is nothing to compare.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: treskoed

But after the USSR, nothing appeared in the country! Around import. And there is nothing to compare.

Do you eat everything imported or made in Russia now? Do you sleep now on anything, on a German couch or at a factory in your city? This is so for some holy believers in the Communists who betrayed the country.

[alicante11]

In those who betrayed no one believes. Every second Russian wishes them a stake in the aspen heart. People say that the USSR before perestroika and late perestroika are two big differences. And they constantly poke us in the face with what the liberal communists did with the country. But how does this relate to the USSR and socialism?

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Yes, statistics is a stubborn thing you can't argue with .. Article plus! The myth of the oil dependence of the USSR economy is clearly invented .. The factories worked everything we needed, we produced ourselves (maybe not so beautiful and packaged), but reliable and high-quality .. And it all started with " socialism with a human face) and "consensus" shorter than the head we were confused and we hung our ears .. Now (except for gas and weapons) we do not produce anything! Everything was taken away, plundered, destroyed .. The curtain ..

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: MIKHAN

s! The myth of the oil dependence of the USSR economy is clearly invented

By whom and why?

[explorer]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

By whom and why?

those who prepared and successfully carried out the operation to turn us into a raw materials appendage, the territory of the pipe. (It is known that Gaidar also had a hand in this).

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: explorer

those who prepared and successfully implemented

Names, surnames will or so wrote a personal opinion?

[Mikado]

Dima Medvedev, one of the main promoters of this idea, in order to justify the fact that they themselves hooked Russia on this needle.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Mikado

Dima Medvedev, one of the main promoters of this idea,

Oh yes, now Medvedev is to blame for everything

[baltika-18]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

By whom and why?

Yeltsin-Putin propagandists for you, Alexander, that you would have hated socialism even more and loved with all your heart oligarchic capitalism and its builders in the person of Vladimir Vladimirovich and his comrades.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: baltika-18

Yeltsin-Putin propagandists

Yes, but there is only one problem, they began to build new branches of oil and gas pipelines, only in recent years. The rest probably was built by propagandists yes

[Mikado]

In recent years? Since the 97th year the north stream has been dragging,

[baltika-18]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

, new oil and gas pipelines began to be built, only in recent years

The branches they pull. The whole question is that from the contents of these branches people have a simple Russian.

[alicante11]

Well, it was necessary to sponsor CMEA with cheap energy sources. As Belarus is now.

[teleset]

These liberals do their best to clean up history so that our descendants do not accuse them of de-industrializing our country, suggesting to us and our children that the USSR fell apart due to oil prices and not hunchbacks. and the Minister of Education, the key figure depends on him exactly what is written in the textbooks and for what or for whom the USSR was liberated. As you do not try to change the story, the truth will emerge. WE DO NOT BE DECEPED!

[Yarosvet]

Quote: teleset

and the minister of education is a key figure

[Basarev]

But what kind of weapons do we produce! Although yes: Gorbachev should have been killed on the spot for only the theses about "glasnost" and "new thinking"

[Egoza]

Quote: Basarev

Gorbachev should have been killed on the spot for only the theses about "glasnost" and "new thinking"

And what does "glasnost" not suit you? You were publicly told that Serdyukov and Co. did not work well. Then they say "We are not in the 37th year". Where would you find out all this if not for publicity?

[olviko]

With the collapse of the USSR, in my opinion, everything is clear. 100 percent, pure water, betrayal of the elites on the one hand and an absolutely infantile reaction of the people. Both of them wanted a beautiful western life, such a version of today's Ukraine. Like joining the EU, everything will bloom at once. Only the elite blossomed, the people were left without trousers. The only consolation - maybe this science will be useful to us all! Well, with the "oil dependence" of the USSR - it is clear that this is a wiring for suckers, a cover for the crime that all these "red-haired Germans" committed by destroying the country and robbing the people.

[Valkyrie]

Yes, not the infantile reaction of the people, but just with our hands we put them on the throne. On Red Square, huge crowds of people chanted: "Yeltsin, Yeltsin !!! ..." We believed these ub-kam, and they simply used us to get to power and to the people's wealth! They wiped our feet on us, divided the kingdom among themselves into specific principalities, and went on to hang noodles on our ears. Only Belarus resisted, because Lukashenko immediately declared to his people that he would adhere to the basic principles of the USSR.

[alicante11]

Yes, what crowds of people, just drunk for a bottle of collected and a few and d and of those type Novodvorskaya and major Komsomol members.

[Valkyrie]

I personally saw with my own eyes HUGE CROPS of people, it was a real revolution! And these were normal people, ordinary people who wanted change !!!!!!!!

[alicante11]

Well, my father-in-law lived in the suburbs and I also asked him about those times. The standard answer was "worked".

[atalef]

Quote: alicante11

Well, my father-in-law lived in the suburbs and I also asked him about those times. The standard answer was "worked".

so, you do not even remember the restructuring! As you can say in Brezhnev’s times, let alone perestroika, the reasons who didn’t live then will not understand

[Nayhas]

The author himself did not understand what he provided.
The share of fuel sales increased from 3,9% in 1950. to 50,2% in 1981, and the share of machinery and transport grew until 1970. to 21,5% and finally fell to 13,7% in 1981. At the same time, the following table indicates that the main buyer of fuel was cap. country. It is clear that now it’s even worse, but this does not mean that the situation was good. The growth trend in the share of the sale of the country's resources can be traced from the times of the USSR to the present day and the current situation is a logical conclusion to the then begun.

[Vladimir-35136]

Well, here we are late with the reorganization of mechanical engineering, we have rested in the production of defense products .. further, the competitiveness of goods in foreign markets (the fighter is out of balance) and the sharp decline in energy prices, if necessary, pay interest on loans (cutting and the country on both blades is a complete defeat) -I do not want to rob).

[itr]

Nayhas Swami agrees to all 100 USSR collapsed due to falling oil prices

[Simon]

But I do not agree! There would be a smart ruler who wouldn’t liberate himself in front of the West and the states, and for foreign grants would not stop advanced production (BURAN), would not destroy modern missiles and submarines, and would not initiate illiterate restructuring in the state, it would be completely different.

[Metlik]

The USSR really sat on an oil needle. Outdated goods produced domestically in obsolete factories, with poor quality, although they looked good on paper in reports, no one wanted to buy, nor from us abroad. The problem could be solved by updating production, establishing quality control, but the official always follows the easiest path, if you could buy goods for currency, they did so.

[itr]

I live in the oil region of Russia and, accordingly, the USSR. it seemed that the entire industry of the USSR worked for the oil industry so far not all scrap metal has been handed over and everything works, which is 80 years old, and the lope has been sunk and it is not for nothing that I remember the slogan of the 80s that you give a billion tons of oil a year !!! !!!! and it’s only in my region that’s just colossal grandmothers but they say nothing. If Khrushchev had oil, I think he would be the Secretary General for Life

[alicante11]

This is in export. It's just that the USSR was a self-sufficient country and the bulk of the GDP came from domestic production. The share of energy in the GDP is 8-10% and even then with electricity. That is no longer a "pipe".

[alone]

Quote: Nayhas

The author himself did not understand what he provided.
The share of fuel sales increased from 3,9% in 1950. to 50,2% in 1981, and the share of machinery and transport grew until 1970. to 21,5% and finally fell to 13,7% in 1981. At the same time, the following table indicates that the main buyer of fuel was cap. country. It is clear that now it’s even worse, but this does not mean that the situation was good.

completely right. Such a feeling that the author, having set the graphics, himself denied what he wrote in the article.

[Ignat_]

I'm afraid you didn’t understand something.

In 1981, the share of oil exports in the entire foreign trade of the USSR was 50,2%. That is, this is only foreign trade, and not a percentage of the total GDP of the USSR.
Now another statistic is the percentage of oil sold to the West. And we sold only 1/5 of oil exports to the West. 80% are in the CMEA and "developing countries".

Therefore, reduce 10% 5 times. The real dependence on the West (for hydrocarbons) was no more than 2-3% by the time Perestroika began.

And further. And what, in fact, did we acquire so valuable in the West after 1975? After the Jackson-Venik amendment, we were only allowed the Canadian grain of the second freshness to purchase outdated technologies of VCRs of the 1970s, on the basis of which we launched the VM-12.
Everything else is trade within the CMEA and domestic production.
I personally don’t remember the heaped counters of sneakers and Panasonic in the USSR. This is to the question of "half of the Soviet oil budget", or at least 8%.


And who benefits from these stories about "oil dependence", apparently those who disbanded them in the early 1990s. Among them is a well-known economist who once worked in the Politburo Commission, and then in the Yeltsin government.

[pavlo]

.... Today, few people remember how Gorbachev, having become Secretary General of the Central Committee of the CPSU in 1985, proposed to exclude from its Charter the provision on the dictatorship of the proletariat, since "at present the struggle for the environment seems more urgent to us." Following this, from the highest favor of Gorbachev, “green” cells began to appear in the USSR, like mushrooms after rain. Cells that were clones of the infamous Greenpeace society in the West. So what? According to academician Zhores Alferov and other Russian patriotic scientists, homegrown "greens" skillfully guided by the "Greenpeace", using "weapons of mass oppression of consciousness" - falsification and fraud, aroused fear among the population of the Soviet Union of massive salmonella infection. As a result, in 1987 Ptitseprom collapsed, and the country began to fill up with overseas Bush’s legs.


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Immediately after the production of poultry meat was reduced to zero in the USSR, the "green" brought a nitrate horror story into orbit, due to which vegetables and fruits grown by collective farmers were taken to landfills, and the counters were filled with products from Holland, Belgium, France (where the volume of nitrates per unit area is 6 times the Soviet figure!). Even hay for cattle was delivered from ... Argentina!

As a result, agriculture ordered to live long, and foreign farmers began to supply food in the USSR. And all the "green" immediately disappeared. It is understandable: the Moor did his job ...

Meanwhile, the carnival of the absurd continued. In 1989, Bilderberg, for fun and fun, launched a hydrogen sulfide horror story especially for us.

During the next visit of the Gorbachev spouses to the USA, Mr. Brzezinski, a sworn friend of the Soviet Union, whispered to Raisa Maximovna that, they say, the Black Sea could ... erupt at any time due to hydrogen sulfide fumes. And what do you think? Mikhalsergeich, speaking at the international forum of ecologists, began to frighten the world community with the Black Sea fire!

However, when billions of dollars are at stake, the Anglo-Saxon instinct for blood is dulled by the permanent members of the Bilderberg. As soon as the “bilderbergs” -English tried to protect their beef producers by raising the issue of revising agricultural export taxes in their favor, immediately the “bilderbergs” -tellers released the genie from the bottle. Mad cow disease is called. They burned British cows, removed tax issues, and rabies ... And rabies eventually disappeared by itself, where did it go!

http://nnm.me/blogs/serfar/pravyashie_sredi_vlast_imushih/#cut

[Prometey]

Quote: pavlo

once after the production of poultry meat was reduced to zero in the USSR, the “greens” put into orbit a nitrate scarecrow, because of which vegetables and fruits grown by collective farmers were taken to landfills, and the stalls were filled with products from Holland, Belgium, France

Do not fantasize about vegetables. With them there was a natural seasonal interruption. There were no French cucumbers and Dutch potatoes in retail. In the late 80s, they began to buy vegetables in Europe (seeds) for selection, because by that time the Soviet breeders were in deep ... opera. It was then that Dutch potatoes appeared, new varieties of cucumbers and tomatoes. There is only one question - was there really no money in the USSR for introducing new varieties of vegetables into circulation for the Soviet consumer?
And about the poultry houses. Was it really necessary to start to destroy the economy in order to supply modern equipment to the poultry farms to automate the slaughter and butchering of poultry, so that a cyanotic hastily plucked bird went to the mass consumer, which required final processing on a gas stove (and after all, not everyone had it), but gutted and packed chicken. Therefore, when American legs hit the market, people rushed to take them - after all, their presentation was much more interesting. And retired grannies were not particularly worried about their content. When it came to our producers that they themselves are able to supply chicken cuttings to the market - but these were already the times of the beginning "capitalism" in another country.

[Simon]

All right!

[DZ_98_B]

Maybe I'm wrong, but the tables do not include arms exports. And arms exports are a very, very serious source of income !!!!! That is, the share of oil in exports will still decrease. If the share of electricity is discarded in the tables, we will get the tales of oil dependence on the oil needle exposed. And crises in the West often played into the hands of the USSR, because equipment, cars, cheaper technologies, many plants in the USSR were built during the Western crises, according to Western technologies.

[Walker1975]

Yes, the export of weapons is a profitable thing, but it is unlikely that such books reported how many weapons we "donated" to friendly regimes. But these things had a prime cost, we spent energy and money on their production.

[Strashila]

The economy of the USSR was a self-sufficient system, as the experience of the Second World War showed. This circumstance allowed us to go through all the world economic crises ... the capitalist management system collapsed in the early 70s of the last century, which is why they imposed it on us. The economy collapsed under the influence of the fifth column in the person of the country's leaders ... which were destroyed under the flag of perestroika management system in the country. On the site there was an article that according to the CIA reports ... the US had nothing to catch regarding the economy in relation to the USSR, these unbiased guys can be trusted.

[pawel1961]

the USSR collapsed just traitors

[Sasha Major]

Gorbachev received the order of the US Congress for good reason !!!

[tank 34]

We have interesting people. I read the comments and realized how grateful we descendants are. The author says that he is not a guru, like some commentators. Conducts the idea that the USSR was a self-sufficient, independent country.

[Stiletto]

Quote: pawel1961

the USSR collapsed just traitors

... and we know who they are. One grave was already waiting for the grave. And now - Brokeback!

[Valkyrie]

"The economy of the USSR was a self-sufficient system, this was shown by the experience of the Second World War. This circumstance allowed us to go through all the world economic crises ..."

Yes, their crises did not concern us in any way. But our mistake is that we made a crisis of our system, failed to overcome it. Most likely, this crisis was indeed planned long ago, and then implemented by the Fifth Column. Early then we relaxed guys! You could never allow yourself to be friends with the West! You don’t touch us - we don’t touch you. Only such friendship can be between us! Stalin, the wisest man, how he is needed now! And these Judas, starting with Khrushchev, ruined the whole great cause.

[Walker1975]

The main crisis was in their heads - how to simultaneously educate an initiative person who will make a scientific discovery for the country, invent a machine, make a new style of clothing, but at the same time, so that his initiative is strictly regulated by the party, he does not ask questions, criticize everyday life and no matter what did not apply. Ideally, the citizens of the USSR could not be released abroad. So they cut themselves off from the advanced experience of the whole world ... they had to give some indulgences, send scientists and artists with a group of "competent comrades" ... and the wind from the West still penetrated the cracks.

[alicante11]

Ideally, citizens of the USSR when driving over a mound had to be driven not only through boutiques and boardwalks, but also through slums. To know what the grin of capitalism means.

The main crisis was in the minds - how to simultaneously bring up an initiative person who would make a scientific discovery for the country, come up with a machine tool, make a new style of clothing, but at the same time, so that his initiative was strictly regulated by the party, he did not ask questions, did not criticize life and no matter what not claimed.

Yes, this is nonsense. People were taught to think on purpose. Our entire educational system was aimed specifically at the development of THINKING. Haha, I ask, was I at the Institute of Physics and Higher Mathematics, Philosophy, Cultural Studies? I did not take a single integral at the 4-5 course after completing the VM course, did not participate in philosophical disputes and did not apply economic theories in the economic part of the diploma. All this was aimed precisely at the development of thought in man. Do not listen to you liberals.

[Sasha 19871987]

not the topic, but still I’ll write-Yeltsin with Gorbachev, two shit ...

[Simon]

I agree! One sold for grants, and the other was a good clown (he could get drunk on dancing, conduct an orchestra, or sing a guelder-rose-raspberry all over the world. Well, what about the Russian state.

[kim. 230752]

Quote: ATATA

I must say that even now oil and gas in the GDP of the Russian Federation make up less than 7%.

I wonder how, then, the 50% of the budget of Russia consists of money received from the sale of oil and gas ???

[nod739]

Quote: borisjdin1957

from the Don.
The hedgehog understood that there was no collapse in oil prices, it was that stone after which there was a rock fall that buried the USSR under itself. There were other reasons, including the USSR’s confrontation against the Western WORLD. One country was against, practically, everyone, also giving weapons , equipment, factories: Papuans :!

absolutely to the point

always uphold this point of view
the whole world was against the "empire of evil", where people breathe so freely, and they still had to feed hangers-on and sell weapons either conditionally free of charge or just for ideas, and at the same time instead of telephones and tape recorders they had to make weapons. in order to restrain the aggressor,
Well, the aggressor won, not in battle, flooded our market with his, mostly shitty goods (the turquoise refrigerator of 1980 works with his parents TILL TIME, although it creaks no longer in deci), and then what? and the market itself has shrunk, and it’s not really anyone who’s fighting, but all the current mongrels of yesterday’s hangers-on are encouraged with high-sounding words, and theirs are the VEFs, RAFs, Ikarus, i.e. what the big brother built didn’t need, it turned out- and the brains of people are not enough to evaluate that the factories were exchanged in exchange for candy wrappers, slogans and conditional sovereignty ...
and the worst thing is that in our country the same model is taken as a basis as in the west

[dengy12]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

you can learn about the economy of the USSR, only from articles and pictures. The dependence was not small.

then how is it that dependence was not small?

[uwzek]

Just from this article and the pictures posted in it ...
With an open mind, re-read the author's article again, look at the tables. It can be seen from them that the share of oil exports by the end of the existence of the USSR approached 60% (the author constantly emphasizes that this is together with electricity, but we did not export electricity to the West at that time). Then, in another graph, it is shown that cash receipts from the sale of oil at the same time fell almost twice with an increase in supplies (it is not clear why the author specifies that he transferred the data from interest to money, you might think that when the reference books indicated that capital countries export 57% of oil, then there it was expressed in half a liter of port "Caucasus"). And if you remember that other lines of the tables just include Soviet aid to fraternal peoples, for which no one saw real money, then that dependence on the export of petroleum products immediately climbs ...

[teleset]

Just from this article and the pictures posted in it ...
Immediately re-read the author’s article, look at the tables below. It can be seen from them that the share of oil exports by the end of the Soviet Union approached 60%

Dear, read the article once more if you do not understand, the table says the export structure shows the share in the export, and not the share in the future.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: dengy12

then how is it that dependence was not small?

Yes, this is the author himself, refuting himself Is mlm for you 50% of export is not enough?

[alicante11]

And 8% of GDP. Few.

[Walker1975]

Only GDP was formed from the military-industrial complex and pig iron, which, of course, are also needed, but they do not bring income to the country.

[alicante11]

Liberal tales.

[nod739]

Quote: Nayhas

The author himself did not understand what he provided.
The share of fuel sales increased from 3,9% in 1950. up to 50,2%

yes half, only the export itself was not much at all - EVERYTHING HAPPENED INSIDE THE COUNTRY
and if we compare export and import, it’s completely clear how much everyone else was fed !!!

and now we don’t particularly feed others, and we produce little inside

Previously, everything was at the machine, and now you yourself know, creative professions are not held in high esteem, one lawyers are accountants, managers are sales managers, resellers and seasonal workers in villages (co-workers)
and the ideal of any young man is not to invent something to invent, but to arrange life in the form of a car, a yacht, a summer house and a big salary to go on vacation around the world

[Nayhas]

Quote: nod739

Previously, everything was at the machine, and now you yourself know, creative professions are not held in high esteem, one lawyers are accountants, managers are sales managers, resellers and seasonal workers in villages (co-workers)

Well, not everyone was at the machine. Then, too, there were enough "managers" and aunts in the machine bureau ... And those who stood at the machine often riveted mountains of weapons, which are now being destroyed ...

Quote: nod739

and the ideal of any young man is not to invent something to invent, but to arrange life in the form of a car, a yacht, a summer house and a big salary to go on vacation around the world

At the expense of ideals, you certainly bent. At that time, there were also most of them. Work less, get more, steal what is bad. But they did not have free access to the items you listed. Everywhere the lineup and search for doom.

[alicante11]

Well, not everyone was at the machine. Then, too, there were enough "managers" and aunts in the machine bureau ... And those who stood at the machine often riveted mountains of weapons, which are now being destroyed ...

However, more than now.

At that time, there were also most of them. Work less, get more, steal what is bad. But they did not have free access to the items you listed. Everywhere the lineup and search for doom.

On their own people are not judged.

[Walker1975]

But this book does not say how much the USSR purchased products? I remember back in the 80s I stood in lines for cherries! In Ukraine!!! I generally keep quiet about bananas - it was such a rarity. There was a shortage of feed, vegetables, meat, sausages, butter ... As a result, we should not forget, what cities did the goods go to: what was most in Moscow and Leningrad, then in the capitals of the republics, then regional, district centers .. And what was the assortment in the regional centers and below it is better not to recall.

[atalef]

Quote: Walker1975

But this book does not say how much the USSR purchased products? I remember back in the 80s I stood in lines for cherries! In Ukraine!!! I generally keep quiet about bananas - it was such a rarity. There was a shortage of feed, vegetables, meat, sausages, butter ... As a result, we should not forget, what cities did the goods go to: what was most in Moscow and Leningrad, then in the capitals of the republics, then regional, district centers .. And what was the assortment in the regional centers and below it is better not to recall.

As I remember now, in 1976, Mr. Nelidovo, Tver (then Kalinin) region, food bone, seaweed salad, bread, vodka, gray pasta. Oil, meat, sausage, and everything else is the night on the train to Moscow and the night back, I remember my mother returning as a camel in a Gruzon. Storytellers - abundance in the USSR - cinema probably watched.

[alicante11]

Achinea you remember. In 83 I traveled to Ukraine with my parents, and for some reason I don’t remember there problems with fruits. Maybe because it was in the summer. Bananas were bought often. The truth is mostly green and lay down to ripen on the cabinet. True, they did not have time to ripen. I pulled everything away. And ... the question is now do you eat cherries every day? And yet, the USSR bought fruits in the CMEA countries, and certainly not in the West. I remember there were Bulgarian fruit compotes. Well, all kinds of peas were, of course.
And you don’t need to talk about the assortment in the regional centers either. My father worked in aviation. He flew all over the Far East and bought me clothes and toys in Magadan, Petropavlovsk, the Kuril Islands much better than in Khabarovsk.

[Asan Ata]

The sale of oil and gas abroad is the main reason why our authorities, in collusion with the Amer’s, kept silent about the imitation of amer’s flights to the moon. They hoped to win over the grandmothers - they lost the ideological war.

[optimist]

I read the comments of respected members of the forum and was delighted: the overwhelming majority correctly understand the essence of what is happening. There is a hope (albeit a small one) that it will still be possible to escape from the deep ... experience into which they have pushed the grubby-ebn and continue to push the wwp-ladies. Well, as for individual "especially gifted" individuals, there is nothing you can do about it: there is a category of people who, even when they die, will lick the ass of the current government ...

[corn]

When an article begins with the words "then damned communists", then immediately doubts arise about the author's objectivity; he either fiercely hates supporters or opponents of the communist idea, or a demagogue seeking cheap popularity.
It has long been known that with a 5% shortage of something, there is a rush of demand with all the negative consequences.

Marshak:

There was no nail -
Horseshoe
Gone.
There was no horseshoe -
Horse
I was limping.
The horse limped -
Commander
Killed.
The cavalry is defeated -
Army
Running
The enemy enters the city,
Captive not sparing
Because in the forge
There was no nail.

[olviko]

Information for consideration. CIA Report on the State of the Soviet Economy:
After the election of Yu.V. Andropov On November 12, 1982, the General Secretary of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, the United Economic Committee of the US Congress requested from the CIA a report on the state of the Soviet economy, where "both its potentialities and vulnerabilities would be presented." In presenting this report to Congress, Senator William Proxmeyer, Vice Chair of the Subcommittee on International Trade, Finance and Economic Protection, felt it necessary to highlight the following key findings from the CIA analysis (translated from English cited):
“In the USSR there is a steady decline in economic growth, but in the foreseeable future this growth will remain positive.
The economy does not function well, and often there is a departure from the requirements of economic efficiency. However, this does not mean that the Soviet economy is losing its viability or dynamism. Despite the fact that there are discrepancies between the economic plans and their implementation in the USSR, the economic collapse of this country is not even a distant opportunity "(!!!)." Usually, Western specialists involved in the Soviet economy focus on its problems, ”continued senator. - However, the danger of such a one-sided approach is that, ignoring the positive factors, we get an incomplete picture, and on the basis of it we make incorrect conclusions.
The Soviet Union is our main potential adversary, and this gives even more reason to have an accurate and objective assessment of the state of its economy. The worst we can do is underestimate the economic power of our main adversary. ”
“It is necessary to be aware that the Soviet Union, although weakened by the inefficient functioning of the agricultural sector and burdened by large defense spending, is economically second in the world in terms of gross national product, has numerous and well-trained productive forces, highly developed industrially.
The USSR also has huge mineral reserves, including oil, gas, as well as relatively scarce minerals and precious metals. You should seriously look at things and think about what could happen if the development trends of the Soviet economy become negative. ”Between 1950 and 1981, the GNP of the USSR, according to the CIA, grew by an average of 4,6% per year while US GNP growth over the same period averaged 3,4% per year.
However, the economic growth of the USSR during this period was constantly slowing down, especially since 1978. The average annual GDP growth was 6% in the 50s, 5% in the 60s, and almost 4% in the period from 1970 to 1978. Between 1979 and 1981, the average annual growth was less than 2%. It is expected that in 1982, GNP will increase by about 1,5%. The gross national product of the Soviet Union in 1982 will be about 1,6 trillion dollars, i.e. approximately 55% of US GNP.
The gross national product per capita is almost $ 6. In the field of gold mining, the USSR is second only to the Republic of South Africa. Gold production in 000 amounted to about 1981 tons. The country's gold reserve is approximately 325 tons, which at current prices exceeds $ 1 billion.
It.d and the like, there is no big report; everything can be placed here. And in conclusion: you can only imagine how much later you had to “work” and “make efforts” to the hunchback and his gang to make the “impossible possible” !!!

[ed65b]

Yes, they’re all sick, with oil and gas. what is Russia's fault in the fact that there is oil and gas? No need to sell?
mother-in-law to evil, frostbitten ears. The USSR depended or not, it doesn’t matter, it is important that the liberals successfully ruined it and, as a mantra, they are still constantly muttering about dependence. Well, if there were no oil and gas, they would be muttering about something else about the poor harvests of pine nuts, beets, bread, butter. The tribe will find this song to justify the plunder of the country. such is their breed.

[atalef]

Quote: ed65b

Yes, they’re all sick, with oil and gas. what is Russia's fault in the fact that there is oil and gas? No need to sell?
mother-in-law to evil, frostbitten ears. The USSR depended or not, it doesn’t matter, it is important that the liberals successfully ruined it and, as a mantra, they are still constantly muttering about dependence. Well, if there were no oil and gas, they would be muttering about something else about the poor harvests of pine nuts, beets, bread, butter. The tribe will find this song to justify the plunder of the country. such is their breed.

Yes, there is no fault, the problem is what and how these incomes are spent
Whether the USSR depended - of course, after the fall in oil prices and the West’s embargo on the supply of large-diameter pipes, gas compressor stations and the petrochemical industry in general, everything suddenly fell apart - do not deny the obvious
There is such a thing. like the Dutch effect, when oil reserves in the Netherlands and their unwise use, pumping up the country with easy money, led the Netherlands to a degradation of the economy and a severe crisis from which they crawled out for a long time, google it - you will find a lot of interesting things, like analogies

[ed65b]

Quote: atalef

Dutch effect when oil reserves in Holland

It came with the sale of tulips as far as I remember the story.

[atalef]

Quote: ed65b

Quote: atalef

Dutch effect when oil reserves in Holland

It came with the sale of tulips as far as I remember the story.

Tulips are the first exchange crisis and the inflation of blue chips (as they like to call it now), and there was a crisis of light petrodollars (this is completely different, as in different centuries), by the way why go far, you can recall another beautiful example, conquistadors and the flow of easy money (gold and silver from the colonies to Spain) seemed to be all enriched, only a huge supply of gold and silver in the market brought down prices and devalued money (they were still made of precious metals) - the consequences, the deepest economic crisis in Europe and how the consequence is the centennial war and the redivision of Europe, easy money is often a big problem, in connection with this (such as the discovery of large gas reserves on the shelf of Israel), the country's bank, realizing all the dangers of overheating the economy with easy money, suggested (and this supported the issue) limit gas exports to no more than 60% of total reserves) and fight against the strengthening of the shekel.
It’s not very easy when you have money on you, and you don’t have to strain, the effect can be sharply negative

[alicante11]

There is nothing obvious, there were many factors besides oil prices. Starting from attacks on the allies of the USSR (see Libya-82) to the actions of the fifth column inside. Perestroika did not begin with oil prices.

[atalef]

Quote: alicante11

There is nothing obvious, there were many factors besides oil prices. Starting from attacks on the allies of the USSR (see Libya-82) to the actions of the fifth column inside. Perestroika did not begin with oil prices.

Perestroika was a consequence of the fall in oil prices, as well as the deepest ideological crisis - who generally believed both the CPSU and the tales of reports at congresses

[Walker1975]

No fault. Just when there is a lot of easy money, the question arises: why strain, build something and get heavy money if there is a lot of easy money? It turns out that enterprises and industries are atrophying, specialists are not preparing - everyone wants to get easy money ... but then, when the money runs out, it turns out that there are no specialists and production, and not everyone wants to restore them, and not everyone wants to after easy money work hard on black.

[beacon]

UUU, how powerful these liberals are, that such a powerful USSR so quickly collapsed

[individual]

The situation of the collapse of the USSR was organized by scoundrels who, with varying success, rule the ball in modern Russia.
The capital created by crime in the USSR demanded new markets and the abscess broke through creating many painful and inflamed foci.
By therapy, this disease on the body 1/6 of the Earth's territory can not be fixed.
Need a surgeon and a scalpel.

[CHAAmvd]

Schizophrenics and alcoholics in the country's leadership destroyed the USSR.

[Koronik]

"It remains to add that in the USSR the cost of producing a barrel of oil was about US $ 5, and the lowest selling price was about US $ 10." Well, to tell the truth, few believed in the dependence of the USSR on the export of the oil needle. I think that the main reason for the fall of the Union was the gratuitous support of the "developing socialist countries."

[Vladimir-35136]

The article does not say a word or a line about how much we should have paid cu on external loans and how many goods needed to be purchased for the same cu So the article was about nothing, in the spirit of agitation of the times of the USSR, in the 80-90-e it was already visible to the naked eye: a reduction in imports, a shortage of goods and sliding into a debt hole ... then destabilization of the country and its collapse ... profiled the country long before the collapse of the USSR.
Oh heavy war club
Heavy and expensive war shield
Armor to the earth oppresses and forces
There is no way to stand at our post ...
Probably many people had such a mood in the middle of the 80's

[nov_tech.vrn]

you're not lazy, google the size of the external debt of the USSR for 1986, and calculate the percentage of GDP yourself, let me tell you, take 1 dollar = 67 kopecks.

[atalef]

Quote: nov_tech.vrn

you're not lazy, google the size of the external debt of the USSR for 1986, and calculate the percentage of GDP yourself, let me tell you, take 1 dollar = 67 kopecks.

He doesn’t say anything, during the times of the USSR, Albania and Romania had no debts at all, does it mean that they lived better than Europe?

[alicante11]

But who better lived is another question. Free and the best education in the world, free medicine, a cheap rent and a guarantee of housing. This is more 100 sausage varieties and well-worn western chewing gum jeans. They just got used to it and thought that it goes without saying. And to this it would be nice to attach jeans with chewing gum. They would have waited ten years, they would have attached it.

[olviko]

"This is over 100 varieties of sausage and used western gum jeans that will pull."
And if you take into account that the sausage was real, from meat, and not from soy and paper ...

[atalef]

Quote: olviko

"This is over 100 varieties of sausage and used western gum jeans that will pull."
And if you take into account that the sausage was real, from meat, and not from soy and paper ...

Then the sausage was real everywhere, there were no household chemicals and flavorings, including in the west. In general, it seems that nobody in the 80s ate French ham or cheese or Finnish sausage --- or maybe we recall imported chicken? Very much they contrasted with our blue bird

[Hudo]

Quote: atalef

maybe remember imported chickens? Very much they contrasted with our blue bird

You still remember the wax fruits in the school biology classroom - they looked much more appetizing than the real ones. You can learn about their taste by tasting the candle.

[atalef]

Quote: alicante11

But who better lived is another question. Free and the best education in the world, free medicine, a cheap rent and a guarantee of housing. This is more 100 sausage varieties and well-worn western chewing gum jeans. They just got used to it and thought that it goes without saying. And to this it would be nice to attach jeans with chewing gum. They would have waited ten years, they would have attached it.

Well, the West lived better, that lie
good education, but not the best, and how you can compare it (western) without knowing, and how then they were ahead of the USSR without education in almost everything,
NPP
Premier League
Aircraft carriers
Computers
Robots, etc.
The apartment is cheap, it’s true, but in the West they just bought the same without any problems or rented, and in the USSR they lived for 4 generations with these cheap ones, and now they live, but what to get, depending on where you worked, and the queue for housing at 15 years old and no longer surprised anyone
Can we touch more cars?
Cuba now, no different from the USSR of the 80s, is there anything to envy?

[Walker1975]

There is also this. Here, the author of the article did not write how much income went to the military-industrial complex, where money was not particularly considered, and how many percent of enterprises worked in this military-industrial complex.

[kim. 230752]

Quote: ATATA

Now oil and gas in the GDP of the Russian Federation are less than 7%.

If so, then why 50% of the revenue side of the Russian budget consists of revenues from the sale of oil and gas ??????

[atalef]

Quote: kim.230752

Quote: ATATA

Now oil and gas in the GDP of the Russian Federation are less than 7%.

If so, then why 50% of the revenue side of the Russian budget consists of revenues from the sale of oil and gas ??????

Because GDP and incomes are completely different things, you can have huge GDP and be in debt

[alicante11]

This is if you spend stupidly.

[kim. 230752]

Quote: atalef

you can have huge GDP and sit in debt

And what does the debt have to do with it, if I'm talking about the revenue side of the budget, and not the spending side? And the revenue part is half of the taxes on the sale of oil and gas, because the rest of the production is dying.

[FormerMariman]

Quote: DZ_98_B

Maybe I'm wrong, but the tables do not include arms exports. And arms exports are a very, very serious source of income !!!!! That is, the share of oil in exports will still decrease. If the share of electricity is discarded in the tables, we will get the tales of oil dependence on the oil needle exposed. And crises in the West often played into the hands of the USSR, because equipment, cars, cheaper technologies, many plants in the USSR were built during the Western crises, according to Western technologies.

You're right!

[ed65b]

Quote: Former Mariman

Maybe I'm wrong, but the tables do not include arms exports. And arms exports are a very, very serious source of income !!!!!

it was not export-sale but the gift of arms in return for the loyalty of the regimes to the socialist movement. there was no money there.

[Sour]

Quote: ed65b

it was not export-sale but the gift of arms in return for the loyalty of the regimes to the socialist movement. there was no money there.

Absolutely right.
And minus you put either a stupid fanatic, or a person who knows about the USSR only from dad and mom (if not from grandfather and grandmother).

[alicante11]

The same can be said about you. Only there will already be a fanatic of liberalism.

[Mareman Vasilich]

A lot of good sayings. I want to say in general terms. In the country there has been a substitution of consciousness among people. Khrushchev began to take out, Hunchback pulled out a memory card, Yeltsin Putin and Medvedev stuck another. Everything must be returned at the time of 1953.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Quote: ed65b

The tribe will find this song to justify the plunder of the country. such is their breed.

Briefly and to the point!

[Takashi]

I have another question:
And how much can you believe those documents on the basis of which the author draws his conclusions?
"For the analysis of budget data I will use two collections. The first of them is" The National Economy of the USSR 1922-1982, Jubilee Statistical Yearbook ","

It is no longer a secret that statistics in the USSR were twofold - 1 for society, 2 (true) - for party and government leaders

[teleset]

Takashi I have another question:
And how much can you believe those documents on the basis of which the author draws his conclusions?
"For the analysis of budget data I will use two collections. The first of them is" The National Economy of the USSR 1922-1982, Jubilee Statistical Yearbook ","

It is no longer a secret that statistics in the USSR were twofold - 1 for society, 2 (true) - for party and government leaders

And you try to prove the opposite, only with official documents and facts!

[olviko]

"It is no longer a secret that statistics in the USSR were twofold - 1 for society, 2 (true) for the party leadership, and"

What problems ? read the CIA report.

[Doctorleg]

Quote: olviko

"It is no longer a secret that statistics in the USSR were twofold - 1 for society, 2 (true) for the party leadership, and"

What problems ? read the CIA report.

The CIA report is also not the ultimate truth. The US military-industrial complex also wanted to eat. It was necessary to justify the increase in spending on weapons

[Doctorleg]

Quote: Takashi

I have another question:
And how much can you believe those documents on the basis of which the author draws his conclusions?
"For the analysis of budget data I will use two collections. The first of them is" The National Economy of the USSR 1922-1982, Jubilee Statistical Yearbook ","

It is no longer a secret that statistics in the USSR were twofold - 1 for society, 2 (true) - for party and government leaders

Not only twofold, but also virtual. GDP included the output of a huge military-industrial complex, which was not reflected on store shelves. It also included, for example, smelting pig iron, which we were proud of, but which was not needed, but was stored in case of war (like other metals). about help to different countries has already been said. Probably we sewed a lot of shoes, but tried to buy imported. The money was also different - one thing is currency, another is transferable rubles and the third is ordinary. I recently re-read the Light of the times of perestroika (maybe 87 or 88 years old - I was struck by an article in which Aeroflot complained that it was necessary to sell a lot of tickets for rubles when flying abroad), i.e. complained about a large number of customers Therefore, the value of the currency could not be expressed in rubles. Only for it it was possible to buy modern equipment, and the export of oil of other raw materials gave real money. And from this point of view, the country was sitting on an oil needle

[yankeegohome]

The USSR was destroyed by the party elite itself, which began to decompose after the coup in the minds of Khrushchev. After the XX Congress and the promotion of the slogan "Catch up and overtake" the Union was doomed. From the people-fighter, the people-warrior, they began to mold the people-consumer (herd of animals). Plus the bashing of the ideals of a whole generation. And the elite of the 80s are already tired of hiding the Volga (but they wanted a Mercedes) and being ashamed of the desire to relax on the French coast. They stole a lot of money. The only way out is to destroy the restrictions. And the KGB helped them, by the way. As the same party is flesh of flesh. And all these fables about the oil needle, Afghan, etc. for the new generation "Pepsi". With bubbles in my head instead of brains.

[So_o_tozh]

The campaign must be adopted from China’s experience in matters of succession of power, or as before under the kings — the future sovereign was prepared all his life for important and responsible decisions. And now the people depend on whom it is not clear, because in Russia there is Putin, in Belarus father, and we have hmm proffesor ...

[srha]

At one time, I also counted the so-called money from the sale of oil in the USSR. Only I counted not from income, but from GDP and found data on oil sold to the so-called "West", i.e. western currencies. Those. exactly the oil with which they seem to have brought down the Union. Amount lost income of these transactions as a result of falling prices did not exceed 0,5% of the GDP of the USSR. The rest of the oil went to the CMEA countries, more as aid.

Most interesting, the supporters of the USSR’s oil needle never, anywhere, never brought official Western statistical sources and calculations based on them. Apparently they have such a mantra - there is a lot of screaming, no sense at all ...

Grain fantasies are another piece of cake. They completely forget that "In the early 1980s, the USSR ranked 1st in the world in the production of wheat, rye, barley, sugar beets, potatoes, sunflowers, cotton, milk, 2nd in the number of sheep, 3rd in the total the volume of agricultural production, the number of cattle, grain harvest ". Wiki. They were not able to name the figure for purchase costs in% of GDP, they were probably embarrassed.

[Doctorleg]

Quote: srha

At one time, I also counted the so-called money from the sale of oil in the USSR. Only I counted not from income, but from GDP and found data on oil sold to the so-called "West", i.e. western currencies. Those. exactly the oil with which they seem to have brought down the Union. Amount lost income of these transactions as a result of falling prices did not exceed 0,5% of the GDP of the USSR. The rest of the oil went to the CMEA countries, more as aid.

Most interesting, the supporters of the USSR’s oil needle never, anywhere, never brought official Western statistical sources and calculations based on them. Apparently they have such a mantra - there is a lot of screaming, no sense at all ...

Grain fantasies are another piece of cake. They completely forget that "In the early 1980s, the USSR ranked 1st in the world in the production of wheat, rye, barley, sugar beets, potatoes, sunflowers, cotton, milk, 2nd in the number of sheep, 3rd in the total the volume of agricultural production, the number of cattle, grain harvest ". Wiki. They were not able to name the figure for purchase costs in% of GDP, they were probably embarrassed.

May be. Only it was not reflected on shelves in shops. After all, even before Gorbachev, meat in sausage began to be replaced by fillers

[Prometey]

It remains to add that in the USSR the production cost of a barrel of oil was about $ 5, and the lowest selling price was about $ 10.
But I saw other numbers. For example, oil production in Siberia is extremely hard work and very expensive. The cost of Siberian oil approaches 16 dollars per barrel against, for example, 5 dollars. Arab oil. I don’t know where the author got such optimistic indicators. Russian oil will never compete with Arab, Texas or Venezuelan oil in price, alas, in quality. Therefore, when a barrel of oil cost 12 bucks on the world market, in the 90s Russia was in a pit.

[Archikah]

Recently they showed a film on NTV from the Yegor Gaidar Foundation - so there were some people speaking there: Petr Aven, Anatoly Chubais and some others, with mournful facial expressions, broadcasting about the colossal incompetence of leaders in the USSR. And that only their arrival with Yeltsin helped keep the country on the verge of a civil war. This is the main message, so to speak. Certainly in the USSR there were many, many ridiculous mistakes ... But. But this is the very thing - the comfort of living in that country and now in this does not lend itself to any comparison. And fuel at gas stations under the USSR was worth a penny. No one thought about saving. Just the elites were different and the people were not a herd. Although quite cheerfully and harmoniously mumbled.

[ivshubarin]

Correctly, the USSR was destroyed from the inside, but with Western money. It is no secret that Chubais had advisers from the CIA and they wrote the constitution under their dictation. The military-industrial complex, the economy, the army were destroyed by order. Our nuclear weapons for the money of the West were guarded until 12 years old, and nuclear fuel went to the USA for free until this year.

[Oskar]

Why is Chubais still not shot?

[atalef]

Quote: Oskar

Why is Chubais still not shot?

Serdyukov sold the pistol factory.

[ivshubarin]

He is the "overseer" of financial structures for Russia. Remember the Western countries gave only him a loan, touch him and our finances cried. The same personality was under Stalin

[Doctorleg]

Quote: Archikah

Recently they showed a film on NTV from the Yegor Gaidar Foundation - so there were some people speaking there: Petr Aven, Anatoly Chubais and some others, with mournful facial expressions, broadcasting about the colossal incompetence of leaders in the USSR. And that only their arrival with Yeltsin helped keep the country on the verge of a civil war. This is the main message, so to speak. Certainly in the USSR there were many, many ridiculous mistakes ... But. But this is the very thing - the comfort of living in that country and now in this does not lend itself to any comparison. And fuel at gas stations under the USSR was worth a penny. No one thought about saving. Just the elites were different and the people were not a herd. Although quite cheerfully and harmoniously mumbled.

Now many here recall the USSR as a paradise. Maybe we were just young then. Indeed, gasoline cost a penny, but ... I remember the price for 1 liter of 30 kopecks, and then it went up to 40. You can count on our money. Well, for example, through the metro passage - remember - 5 kopecks. That means - 6 trips. Now it would cost 150-180 rubles. It is possible through salaries, which is somewhat more complicated. The salary of a young doctor, engineer was 110-120 rubles (in the military-industrial complex higher), or 400 liters for 30 kopecks. Today, a liter of gasoline is 32 rubles, 400 liters - 12800 rubles. The sausage will be the same through sausage (the doctor’s cost 2,90, the good doctor’s in Auchan - 320). Therefore, they tried to buy gas from truck drivers, if the car was at 76 and there was such an opportunity, they did it themselves. I don’t know about the rent - I haven’t paid yet. A color TV cost 600-700 rubles and was considered a luxury - a few monthly salaries.

[corn]

If you make a transfer through the average salary (it can be taken from the average salaries for calculating the pension for the Soviet period and the average salary for 2012 or 2013), then the numbers will be very, very interesting.
Ср.зарплата 1970г.-115руб,1980г.-155руб,апрель2013г.-26620.
1970-1980 - the golden years of life in the USSR.
26620: 155 171,7 =
And now the prices quoted are calculated for you today.
Gasoline-0,4 * 171,7 = 68,68
Doctor's sausage cost 2,20 rubles, amateur-2,80.
2,20 * 171,7 = 377,74
I will add from myself the cost of electricity-4 kopecks per 1 kW * hour
0,04 * 171,7 = 6,67 (there is no limit to the perfection of power engineers)
Therefore, I never get involved in discussions like: How good it was once.

[corn]

I’m not very interested in minus.
I'm interested in what I'm wrong about.
And minus, without explanation, it looks like GAV from the gateway.

[Theophanes]

The collapse of the USSR began with the shooting of Beria, the transfer of the territories of the Russian Federation to Ukraine, Kazakhstan, etc. And the most vile-Khrushchev attack on the Russian people! The beginning of genocide.

[So_o_tozh]

In Ukraine, Khrushchev deserves leniency, yet our man tried

[Ihrek]

Quote: Basarev

I agree, the introduction of troops into Afghanistan was a mistake, but otherwise Brezhnev was a very reasonable ruler

The introduction of troops into Afghanistan is not his decision, but the decision of Andropov, Ustinov and people close to him. Brezhnev was only persuaded to go for it, he was already a deeply sick person, and to deceive him was a matter of technology. You could say he was insane.

[atalef]

Quote: Jamal

Quote: Basarev

I agree, the introduction of troops into Afghanistan was a mistake, but otherwise Brezhnev was a very reasonable ruler

The introduction of troops into Afghanistan is not his decision, but the decision of Andropov, Ustinov and people close to him. Brezhnev was only persuaded to go for it, he was already a deeply sick person, and to deceive him was a matter of technology. You could say he was insane.

Another good and kind tsar, and the environment was a gang, only then Andropov succeeded him and immediately turned into a good tsar, but the environment, well, to destroy faith in Russia in the tsar-father

[Doctorleg]

Quote: atalef

Quote: Jamal

Quote: Basarev

I agree, the introduction of troops into Afghanistan was a mistake, but otherwise Brezhnev was a very reasonable ruler

The introduction of troops into Afghanistan is not his decision, but the decision of Andropov, Ustinov and people close to him. Brezhnev was only persuaded to go for it, he was already a deeply sick person, and to deceive him was a matter of technology. You could say he was insane.

Another good and kind tsar, and the environment was a gang, only then Andropov succeeded him and immediately turned into a good tsar, but the environment, well, to destroy faith in Russia in the tsar-father

One of the problems of the USSR is the irremovability of power. He’s already aged, and the patient, and leads. And the same patients came to replace. And Gorbachev came to power through an undercover fight. My father, who had been working as a plant director since 68, believed that there was a chance when Kosygin started the reform. But she was half and quickly rolled up

[atalef]

Quote: DoctorOleg

One of the problems of the USSR is the irremovability of power

Is it just the USSR? But what about stability and not rocking the boat? If power were replaced in the USSR, then it would have been neither the USSR.

Quote: DoctorOleg

. And Gorbachev came to power through an undercover fight.

And where did Putin and Yeltsin come from? Well, they just made their way from the bottom of the election

Quote: DoctorOleg

My father, who had been working as a plant director since 68, believed that there was a chance when Kosygin started the reform. But she was half and quickly rolled up

Half - not half - it was not there, that's all.
I remember * Andropov's reform * - we were taken out of students at daytime cinema sessions (like working people - who had to work, rather than go to the cinemas) Vodka was issued 4,70 each, transplanted some, But in general, nothing changed .
You know, when the brothel doesn’t bring any profit, it’s necessary to change .... not rearrange the beds.

[Doctorleg]

Quote: atalef

Quote: DoctorOleg

One of the problems of the USSR is the irremovability of power

Is it just the USSR? But what about stability and not rocking the boat? If power were replaced in the USSR, then it would have been neither the USSR.

Quote: DoctorOleg

. And Gorbachev came to power through an undercover fight.

And where did Putin and Yeltsin come from? Well, they just made their way from the bottom of the election

Quote: DoctorOleg

My father, who had been working as a plant director since 68, believed that there was a chance when Kosygin started the reform. But she was half and quickly rolled up

Half - not half - it was not there, that's all.
I remember * Andropov's reform * - we were taken out of students at daytime cinema sessions (like working people - who had to work, rather than go to the cinemas) Vodka was issued 4,70 each, transplanted some, But in general, nothing changed .
You know, when the brothel doesn’t bring any profit, it’s necessary to change .... not rearrange the beds.

I agree. Just a topic - the oil needle of the USSR, I did not want offtopic. Traditions with a change of power remain And I agree about the brothel. I don’t remember the time of Kosygin — I walked under the table, I speak from my father’s words, and I remember Andropov and agree with you.
The question is - often I do not want to quote the entire post, but if I shorten it, then it ceases to stand out. And the more you can’t squeeze your comments with quotes. if not a secret - how to do it?

[ochakow703]

After all, our shitcrats need to somehow make excuses for their economic mediocrity and criminal venality, so they came up with heredity. And the fact that we do not produce civil aircraft and so on, so on, so on ... So it's all Leonid Ilyich's fault. Only now LEE drove the domestic ZIL, and the current "effective managers" have generally forgotten about everything domestic, and they remember about the Fatherland itself only as a means of replenishing pockets. I do not praise the Soviet system, there were troubles there, but the feeling of power was present, and now the feeling of a colony is crushing.

[ivshubarin]

Lenin traveled to the English Rolls-Royce and the ZIL plant was not in nature, do not drive by not knowing

[Doctorleg]

Quote: ivshubarin

Lenin traveled to the English Rolls-Royce and the ZIL plant was not in nature, do not drive by not knowing

But Stalin went to Packard and did not want to change to ZIS. Then they began to manually make ZILs for the Politburo - one can imagine how much this piece production cost and which did not affect the mass automotive industry. And now they want to push a large amount of money for the Cortege project. Type we are a power, but imported components will be used

[ochakow703]

Quote: Archikah

Recently they showed a film on NTV from the Yegor Gaidar Foundation - so there were some people speaking there: Petr Aven, Anatoly Chubais and some others, with mournful facial expressions, broadcasting about the colossal incompetence of leaders in the USSR. And that only their arrival with Yeltsin helped keep the country on the verge of a civil war. This is the main message, so to speak. Certainly in the USSR there were many, many ridiculous mistakes ... But. But this is the very thing - the comfort of living in that country and now in this does not lend itself to any comparison. And fuel at gas stations under the USSR was worth a penny. No one thought about saving. Just the elites were different and the people were not a herd. Although quite cheerfully and harmoniously mumbled.

I’m sorry that I didn’t look, even if I blamed. Although ... This is all self-promotion and washing of the criminal appearance. Like if we weren’t ... So if it weren’t for the corrupt Gorbatko, not the drunken Yeitsin, everything would be tip-top. And the country would have been, and the economy would have made Amerov long ago. And whoever does not believe or seek confirmation, read the history of the USSR. By the way, it was not rewritten every year at that time, and the Battle of Kursk was called the Battle and not Events.

[ivshubarin]

Lenin also had for his heart the purchase of "golden steam locomotives" in Sweden, at the plant which did not exist, he had to pay with Western sponsors. Found the saint who destroyed his native land

[beacon]

So you look, although there will still be no sense in viewing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppNPdEQ_hgM#t=12

[beacon]

The North Korean economy has long made Amerian, well, as North Koreans think.
North Korean television is about life in the United States. Is it true, is it reminiscent of something?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvXNx4WjIlE

[Boris63]

Not everything was clear "from oil". No wonder Brezhnev raised prices for alcohol and "luxury goods." In the 70s, collective farmers began to receive a standard pension (120-132), and not 3-5-7 rubles. So consider the load of the "budget" when there are no "slaves" - collective farmers (pensioners). You blame everything on politics when there was simply no money for budgetary obligations.

[corn]

Go online to joeck-12.livejournal.com ›28950.html and don’t spread misinformation anymore

[Stinger]

Article +. Let the authors of the USSR oil needle thesis publish similar statistics of their achievements from 1992 to 2012 and explain 1998. The USSR was destroyed by the priests of the Marxist parish, and Russia is being led to the collapse by the priests of the Gaidar parish.
The first, as soon as successes appeared in the construction of a new society, instead of developing and consolidating success, they immediately rushed to teach life to other states, try to spread and even impose their ideas with threats to fan the fire of the world revolution. (By the way, the United States is now doing exactly the same thing.) What does this lead to? To the emergence of many enemies, an arms race leading to world war or the collapse of the system. This is what happened to us, thanks to home-grown theorists and defenders of principles. The militarization of the economy led to the collapse of the most advanced system, and not the oil needle.
The second ones are more stupid. They began to finish off the remnants of the economy in the name of other people's crazy ideas. And another question is whether reason will prevail. Adequate people are not allowed to power.
One can agree with the commentators' assessments, but, in my opinion, these are consequences of the root cause.

[sxn278619]

Oh Grigoriev. Lectures.
It all started in the USSR. What problem was posed by the group of V.I. Danilov-Danilyan in the early 80s? What was noticed? Now we are talking about the raw material dependence of Russia. Raw dependence did not start now, not in the 90s. She was seen in the late 70s - early 80s. What was it about? There was a system of state planning and capital investment. The phenomenon was observed: more and more funds, capital investments, were invested in the oil and gas sector. It was obvious that the remaining share of funds allocated to all remaining sectors of the economy, it:
first: shrinking
second: causes extremely negative phenomena in these sectors.
Not a commodity economy, in fact, is degrading. Already then the question was that if this continues, then we will have one oil and gas sector, the rest will die. The trend has been noticed.

Reasoning on this matter. How were investment decisions made then? Decisions were made on the basis of methods for the efficiency of capital investments. These methods were written according to market principles. It is clear that the degradation of the economy was dictated by market principles. Therefore, when perestroika began, that is, a direct transition to the market, the group dealing with the issue was horrified. If under a planned economy one could still hope to correct the situation, then with the transition to a market economy, the situation will be the same as it is now. Everything was known, everything was discussed for a long time.

[olviko]

"Now we are talking about Russia's dependence on raw materials."

Was there an addiction or not? , in my opinion, this is not the question that interests the majority. At least this is certainly not the reason for the collapse of the USSR. What difference does it make, Saudi Arabia and other emirates are completely dependent on oil, so what? They live comfortably, spread lard on their bread and don’t blow their socks off. Ask any country, even the USA, even Israel, whether they want such “dependence.” A small Middle Eastern state, the basis of whose economy is income from oil exports. The UAE often cited as the "golden standard" of the well-being of citizens. It is national revenues from the sale of oil that allow the government to maintain a truly heavenly standard of living for its citizens through the distribution of petrodollars among all residents of the Emirates, where a bank account for a tidy sum is immediately opened for a newborn child." Draw your own conclusions, here, in my opinion, everything is clear.

[Ross]

Quote: APES

Quote: Jamal

started with

with the massacre of Beria and the victory of Khrushchev

Absolutely right! He greatly reduced the economy and incentives. It all starts with morality.

[Ross]

Quote: APES

Quote: Jamal

started with

with the massacre of Beria and the victory of Khrushchev

Absolutely right! He greatly reduced the economy and incentives. It all starts with morality.

[nod739]

Quote: ed65b

Is it Russia’s fault that there is oil and gas? No need to sell?
To spite my mother-in-law, I’ll frostbite my ears. Whether the USSR was dependent or not, it doesn’t matter

something flashed through my mind:
and the German economy depends on sales of the automobile industry, and South Korea has a lot of sales of smartphones....
Well, there is gas and oil, which means we need to sell it.
of course, preferably not oil, but products of its processing, including plastics, plastics, lubricants

[So_o_tozh]

Quote: yur

Do you know, you asked an interesting question? Now, if this son went to a children's recreation center for free during the summer holidays, then flew away to visit his grandmother in the Far East for several tens of rubles, if he knew firmly that at the end of school he would not have to go around looking for work because . thousands of huge enterprises are waiting for him, if he was sure that in a few years he would receive a FREE apartment, it would be interesting what would he tell you, Atalef?

To appreciate all this, you need to live here in Ukraine now, then all the nationalist ills will immediately go away. But young people will not appreciate this, although with a loan for an apartment at 24% and bondage for 20-30 years, I think that I myself could work at the factory, at least for the sake of an apartment, to endure working for 10 years.

[Aircraft]

Frankly speaking, I finally changed my view of the USSR economy after I came across a series of books by N. Baibakov. Of course, from an artistic point of view, the memoirs of the former chairman of the State Planning Committee of the USSR (he headed it for 20 years from 1965 to 1985) are not of the slightest value, but since I am an economist by training, and besides, my studies at the institute occurred precisely at the divide between two eras (I entered under a planned economy, graduated under a market economy), for me much in these texts is of purely professional interest. Emotions in the narrative can be discarded, although they clearly emphasize that the author of the book has a very contradictory attitude towards both that economy and that regime - from the “love-hate” series. Another thing is that he boldly writes that (unfortunately, I can’t quote it verbatim, I don’t have the books at hand), it is not at all catastrophic if somewhere at some enterprise or even at several enterprises some ordinary employee made a mistake planning department, but the boss did not check it, thereby an error crept into the plan; a disaster can occur when an entire planning department makes a mistake. So... Baibakov considers one of such mistakes of the State Planning Committee curbing the export of oil and petroleum products. Since my life is connected with civil aviation, it was especially interesting to come across such openly emotional phrases in the text in relation to Aeroflot, when “hundreds of millions of tons of jet fuel were recklessly burned per year, and aircraft engine developers could not be forced to produce engines even under pressure ", consuming less fuel, while industry research institutes developed such engines, science worked hard, but the labor was spent in vain." It is quite possible that with these words he seems to justify his decision, approved with difficulty, of course, by the USSR Council of Ministers, which concerned the introduction of strict limits on aviation fuel allocated for the needs of the Ministry of Civil Aviation, starting in 1979. Well, what choice did the State Planning Committee have? Should we continue to produce kerosene (for which it was necessary to build an industry network of refineries, etc.) so that aviators would burn it, paying exactly half the price for it, or should we still export the oil and get cash for it? Here, many correctly noted that although the share of oil exports was small, this share was the only living money.

[Celebrant]

Every day on the news on the Russia channel they like to echo that the USSR collapsed due to the collapse of oil prices. But okay, at least they don’t forget to note that these are the words of the nit Gaidar. In general, all these newfangled fictions in history smell bad. Maybe not accidentally, but maybe out of malicious intent.

[beacon]

The share of raw materials in the exports of the USSR in the 80s exceeded 60%. In 1985, approximately 68% (In the exports of the Russian Federation, 72% in 2012, plus or minus) and that says it all - the USSR was also, first of all, a raw material economy. The share of USSR exports in 1988 to developed countries was 14% (mainly raw materials, of course). 49% of Soviet exports went to the CMEA countries and the rest to developing countries. During 1985-1990, the Soviet Union failed to balance the state budget: expenses exceeded income. Guess , what was the reason? That’s right. The fall in commodity prices. The second reason was the drop in income from the sale of alcohol and tobacco by 100 billion rubles in general. The party and government generously subsidized Soviet factories with oil and gas dollars, but these incomes were also not enough for the most self-sufficient economy world and the USSR, by the time Gorbachev came to power, he had accumulated loans from Western banks in the amount, according to various estimates, from 80 to 100 billion dollars (those dollars!) Gorbachev had to somehow make peace with the West in order to restructure debts. After all, these are all known facts. By the way, according to the CIA, the USSR economy in the late 80s-90s in terms of PPP (GDP) was approximately 50% of the US economy, and according to the UN and European institutions, 36% of the US economy.

[cedar]

The USSR was defeated in the Cold War!

[Vale77]

If the author of this article aims to convey the point of view that the USSR’s dependence on the export of hydrocarbons is far-fetched, but the current situation in modern Russia is catastrophic, then obviously the sources of the initial data should be identical. Using statistical data generated by the state body of the union to describe the economy of the USSR, you should also use data from Rosstat and the Accounting Chamber to assess affairs in Russia, and you yourself know if you close your eyes and do not notice what is happening around, “on paper” the country is more technologically advanced and progressive than ours in no world!

[cherrybuster]

https://rg.ru/2016/04/25/rodina-neft.html

[Kond77]

The author of the calculations does not take into account one fundamentally important thing - the dollar exchange rate. In this case, foreign exchange earnings were recalculated according to the fake state. exchange rate 0,61 rub. for 1 $. With this calculation, it really turns out that budget income from the export of hydrocarbons was only 8-10%, however, the real exchange rate was at least 4 times higher, and this already amounts to 35 percent of the budget revenue and this is already called the oil needle .