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President Putin’s sabotage initiatives, and how to deal with it

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President Putin’s sabotage initiatives, and how to deal with it
“Power is the ability to manage in practice”
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Dear compatriots, colleagues, 5 in November, the press informed us that Alexey Kudrin, the former Minister of Finance of Russia, was included in the list of members of the Public Council under the Ministry of Internal Affairs. The material was posted on Lenta.ru under the heading "Alexey Kudrin joined the public council at the Ministry of Internal Affairs"

I read the material posted on the Internet and thought. What would it mean? Did the former minister have opened up new talents that could give a new impetus to the fight against crime in Russia? A few words about the read material, and then my thoughts on this topic:

The council, organized by 2 a year ago on the orders of former Interior Minister Nurgaliyev, included a 34 man. 5 November expired term of office of the specified Public Council.

Here is an excerpt from the material I reviewed:

“Interior Minister Vladimir Kolokoltsev signed an order approving the new composition of the public council under the ministry. The order is published on the site office.

Among the 37 people included are former Finance Minister Alexei Kudrin, human rights activist Lyudmila Alekseeva, chief editor of Ekho Moskvy radio station Alexei Venediktov and others. The first meeting, at which the chairman of the council will be chosen, will be held within a month after the signing of the order.

In addition to Alekseeva, the first member of the board was retained by the chairman of the first composition lawyer Anatoly Kucherena, the deputy general director of the All-Russian State Television and Radio Broadcasting Company Anton Zlatopolsky, the deputy general director of the First Channel, Kirill Kleimenov, the chief editor of RIA News"Svetlana Mironyuk, president of the Foundation for the Study historical prospects ”Natalia Narochnitskaya, deputy director of the TV channel“ Russia ”Eduard Petrov, lawyer Henry Reznik, spokesman for Rosneft Vladimir Tyulin and others ....

... Public councils under the Ministry of Internal Affairs and territorial internal affairs agencies were formed in 2011 in accordance with the law “On Police”. In total, more than 14 thousand people joined the boards of various levels. ”

Many of the visitors to the city’s Internet portal NEWS in Tomsk, where I try to be present whenever possible, resent and stigmatize President Putin for failing to bring order to the country. However, it is difficult to bring order to huge Russia in conditions of unbridled sabotage of ideas and proposals, as well as the decrees of the President of the country. In words, the bureaucratic fraternity takes under the visor, such as "obey!", But in practice?

The very idea of ​​creating such public councils at ministries and departments has a positive direction, because it implies feedback from the management echelon of power with the people. In today's conditions, they (public councils) can be useful for the functioning of a social system, because without them, unfortunately, it does not have a clear idea of ​​the paths towards social prosperity. He doesn’t have it, because the leadership is full of incompetence, but because the development concept of society, supported by the society, is not made public and approved, there are no clear development goals and ways to achieve them (NO PLAN, there is no unifying population of the country theory, ideology, CONCEPT). The current situation in the country can be compared with the movement “somewhere, we don’t know where”, when the power at any given moment in time is determined in the situation, space and tries to realize what to do next. That is, we are going as if we will be wandering in an unfamiliar area, still hoping for a positive outcome of our march in an unknown direction. This is reminiscent of the movement of the undecided crowd for the same undecided blind guide.

From common words to specifics.

Here is today's message - the inclusion of Kudrin in the public council under the Ministry of Internal Affairs. Understand the essence of the incident, like about nothing that does not speak to the average person?

According to Putin’s plan, this council should include respected and morally clean people who can help the leadership of the Ministry of Internal Affairs to see and identify the causes of the emergence and prosperity of crime, as well as ways to eradicate it in Russia. And now the direct question is - what can Alexey Kudrin, who is far from being respected by the people and not listed in the ranks of moral people, can advise the Ministry of Internal Affairs? Save, on the acquisition of gold beds, on the salaries of district commissioners, to hide people's money behind the cordon, to save for a rainy day in banks outside Russia? Why is it needed in the public council? The answer, in my opinion, is unequivocal - it is necessary to attach the former somewhere nearby, and what if it is still useful? The leadership of the Ministry of the Interior itself needs it, like a hare, a “stop signal” (just like the Public Council itself). However, included in the Council, it means someone needs it!

I think that the presence of 5-7 people really capable of fruitful analytical work for the benefit of society is enough in the council. However, as reported in the material, their whole 37 people. Consider a few of the announced last names? Let's start with their professional and social status.

Venediktov - Echo of Moscow, Mironyuk - RIA Novosti, Zlatopolsky, Petrov and Kleimenov - from the top of television broadcasting, all represent the media, whose role in spreading negative and aggressive, often blurring the conscience and moral standards of information sometimes discourages its cynicism and sophistication.

Reznik is a highly paid lawyer, who became famous not for the protection of the working and suffering people, but for the protection of the rich “Buratin” who spit on the laws of Russia and the morality of its people. Such lawyers themselves are, in fact, given the methods and ways of achieving their goals, traitors to the interests of their people, selling them in anticipation of the fee.

All of them, in fact, are ardent anti-Soviets and can not give decent advice in the public interest. They represent not the society, but the nascent bourgeoisie of Russia and precisely its interests. Apparently, someone needs this!

Speaking of public councils, President Putin is referring to the beginnings of people’s participation in governing the country (so far a timid message to becoming not declarative, but true democracy), through introducing him to state affairs. The bureaucratic army twisted everything, sending its Companions to the Soviets, ensuring the inviolability of the liberal bezpredel they created.

This is the very direct, but invisible to the full for the supreme power, but obvious to simple people who can reflect on people, the sabotage of presidential aspirations to change the social life of Russia. The same is happening on the ground, on the periphery. To solve the numerous problems of society below, at the level of the constituent entities of the Russian Federation and the municipal authorities, numerous councils are created (in the Ministry of Internal Affairs alone there are 14000 people) and commissions on any occasion, which usually do not have the necessary effect in the work, which are on paper but do not accept any serious decisions that can not seriously affect our being.

And in Moscow, vigorous reports about the events held (meetings of the commissions) are rushing; the vigorous activity of the administrations to transform our life with you, compatriots, is indicated.

Lenin and especially Stalin called this “headache” and determined the characteristic of these actions - TAMPER AND THREAT TO THE SOCIETY!

To date, the government represented by the multi-million dollar bureaucratic “guard” that has occupied managerial posts does not want to recognize and publish for discussion by the population of Russia the Public Security Concept (BSC), which is able to provide answers to the burning, versatile questions of not only Russia, but the whole of humanity. Today, a more adequate theory of the development of society simply does not exist. Only BER, if it is mastered and adopted by millions of ordinary workers, entrepreneurs, schoolchildren, students, scientists and military personnel, including law enforcement officers, people of managerial work who have not yet lost their conscience and have not forgotten their duty to the Fatherland, will allow us to solve all of our problems, before which the current government, in the form as it has now, despite the presence of a truly worthy leader, is in the person of most of its representatives simply powerless. Sabotaging President Putin’s decisions, distorting his ideas in the course of implementing decisions, simply not fulfilling the tasks prescribed by him under the guise of the presence of insurmountable obstacles, not recognizing his mistakes, stubbornly hushing up KOB, moreover, hindering its distribution, it is, in fact, anti-people, because which impedes our movement towards development and righteousness, does not allow us to confidently get out of dependence on those forces, both internal and external, which have made a lot of efforts to destroy the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, to destroy its economic, defense, scientific, cultural and spiritual potential. Our people will honor the memory of a single powerful Fatherland for a long time, which we were not proud of for money, but because it was our Motherland, for its glorious history and worthy contribution to the development of mankind. We must continue and will not only honor his memory, but also do everything in our power to make it revived and become even more beautiful, for our land is loved by us!

The fact that managers misunderstand the need to master the BER (acquaintance and in-depth study if it is taken as a basis for revising the worldview towards righteousness) should become a criterion for us when considering them from the point of view of their use for the Russian Civilization.

I think that all of us should, as far as possible, expose the empty flowers of various councils and commissions, which are created to cover specific socially useful cases of empty talker, judge the work of management structures of any level only by the specific results of their activities, by the usefulness of these results for all of us, for the whole society, and not just for the fattening minority in the majority.

We all must necessarily express our opinions on the decisions taken at the top, each in an accessible way. The government must constantly remember that we are not indifferent to what decisions it takes, what are the results of its activities. We have to change our attitude towards the authorities and the people around us, only this will force it to rethink what is happening and either change or leave the dull managerial posts.
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  1. mak210
    mak210 20 November 2013 08: 04
    +4
    What is it? Again the boyars of the king are deceived. What to do? Seated in all the structures of the lunatics, then for sure the thing will go.

    Very much like the trolling of the dudes from Nashi. What suggestions do you have other than whining about sabotage? Maybe it's time to ask for business, and not for sucking up? Are the boyars to blame too?
    1. mak210
      mak210 20 November 2013 08: 31
      -11 qualifying.
      Minus? I understood everything - as if the "Nashists" are trying.
      1. Mitek
        Mitek 20 November 2013 08: 48
        25
        Quote: mak210
        Minus? I understood everything - as if the "Nashists" are trying.

        When will you calm down with the "Nashists"? Nobody calls you a State Department official? People have different views, that's all. There is no creative class on this site, there are people who served in the Army, working in real production and not sitting in offices and selling various crap. And these people are mostly adults who remember the times of Yeltsin and Gorby. And these people can compare what was then and what is now. That is why there are no yells about the fact that "everything is bad", as young sellers yell on other resources. We have enough bad, but also a lot of good. Although for me the GDP, despite its excellent foreign policy, behaves like an enemy in the domestic one.
        1. GSH-18
          GSH-18 20 November 2013 10: 58
          +4
          Quote: Mitek
          Although for me, GDP, despite its excellent foreign policy in the domestic, behaves like an enemy.

          The times of manual control of the country have sunk into oblivion (hopefully irrevocably). Now it is REALLY executing presidential decrees (and other branches of government) -the executive power (officials of all stripes). Naturally, from the source to its implementation, when passing through this "executive crucible" a good decision can be changed (up to the perversion of the essence). And all this is due to the fact that this bureaucratic apparatus extracts from its status a lot of money from the people, and thus is forced to defend itself against attempts to expose and move away from the trough, both from above and from below! This will continue in the future, harsh punitive measures will reduce but will not solve the problem. In my opinion, a massive popularization of patriotic values ​​is needed, their insertion into the minds of all citizens of the Russian Federation. Then real public control will be tough, and the "natural" desire to steal with impunity will receive an inner stop.
        2. Xroft
          Xroft 20 November 2013 11: 58
          +7
          Yes, I absolutely agree, because a look at the modern politics of the generation that lived under Gorbachev and saw what this bastard had done with the country, and then had seen enough in the 90s, perfectly understands what such conversations are leading to. Unlike young people (I have often heard comments in the spirit of 90s lived better than now) frank nonsense.
          The key problem is that people have now become amorphous in nature, hence the failures in domestic politics (who else should people monitor its implementation?) We are used to talking about the RIGHTS of a citizen of this country, but everyone forgets that the citizen of his country has DUTIES ! which he must observe. Everyone is waiting for the old king to do the tidy, and they themselves at home in front of the TV.
          1. Docent1984
            Docent1984 20 November 2013 15: 01
            +1
            Speak up. For themselves, everyone is somehow liquidish. Nobody wants to remember duties.
        3. Combitor
          Combitor 20 November 2013 13: 25
          +1

          So, maybe we will "demote" VVP to deputy to Lavrov? And we will elect a real man with a strong will and strong eggs for the presidency. It is only necessary to introduce a turnout threshold in the election campaign.
        4. ZU-23
          ZU-23 20 November 2013 14: 46
          -7
          True, we are a developing country and not developed, but many do not understand this, unfortunately.
      2. Combitor
        Combitor 20 November 2013 13: 19
        -4

        "Minuses" will still be crammed into you. After all, 146% of the country "voted" for the Kremlin wagon driver.
      3. kartalovkolya
        kartalovkolya 20 November 2013 14: 04
        +1
        Fool he and he and in Africa a fool, but minus for stupidity!
    2. Beibit
      Beibit 20 November 2013 08: 33
      11
      In short, since people like Kudrin, Chubais, Serdyukov, etc. etc. they are still sitting in warm places, which means Putin doesn’t decide anything and he is an ordinary competently promoted pro-Western bureaucrat. What kind of president is he if he cannot plant the most important criminals, shoot him. In a word, he is for Russia and for the people, but it’s something completely different. Well, sometimes he does something to show that it works. It gives hope, and while the people hope they (the people) do nothing ...
      1. Oskar
        Oskar 20 November 2013 09: 09
        32
        As relevant as possible:
        "Where, show us the fatherland fathers? Which we should take for models? Aren't they these ?! They are rich in robbery, they found protection from the court in friends, in kinship, magnificent building chambers where they spill in feasts and extravagance !!!"
        A.S. Griboedov

        From what they left in 1917, to that they returned ...
        1. does it
          does it 20 November 2013 15: 13
          +2
          Quote: Oskar
          As relevant as possible:
          "Where, show us the fatherland fathers? Which we should take for models? Aren't they these ?! They are rich in robbery, they found protection from the court in friends, in kinship, magnificent building chambers where they spill in feasts and extravagance !!!"
          A.S. Griboedov
          From what they left in 1917, to that they returned ...

          It’s unfortunate that for your comment, you can’t vote several times. Fat Plus.
      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 20 November 2013 09: 43
        +3
        Quote: Beibit
        that means Putin doesn’t decide anything and he is an ordinary competently promoted pro-Western rite

        Yes, Obama set Russia to follow.
      3. Combitor
        Combitor 20 November 2013 10: 13
        +6

        The author decided to cry into his waistcoat (whose, I wonder?), Saying that "it is difficult to put things in order in vast Russia in the conditions of the prosperity of unbridled sabotage of ideas and proposals, as well as the Decrees of the President of the country. In words, the bureaucratic fraternity salutes, like" we obey! " , but in reality? " A bib, maybe send him, the author?
        But why ... do I need a president who can't put things in order in the country he undertook to rule? Chase him in the neck. He himself built his own "vertical", appointed sycophants and lackeys to key posts, who now put a big and fat one on him. If you fail to cope with your slaves, go to all four sides.
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 20 November 2013 10: 47
          +7
          Quote: Kombitor
          Drive him in the neck

          And in his place, whom do you read? The choice of applicants is not great, and looking at them goosebumps run.
          1. Combitor
            Combitor 20 November 2013 12: 51
            +3
            Ingvar 72 Today, 10:47 ↑
            I don't read anyone. But the spineless creature that has ruled the country for 13 years is not the president. Or do you think - on fishlessness and cancer - fish?
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 20 November 2013 13: 58
              +3
              Quote: Kombitor
              I don't read anyone. But the spineless creature that has ruled the country for 13 years is not the president. Or do you think - on fishlessness and cancer - fish?
              Regarding spinelessness, I agree with you, but tidying it up without having anyone on the horizon is also no way out. Udaltsov and Navalny are just distracting, except I cannot call them puppets. The situation is really stalemate, it remains to be hoped that the Izborsk club will spin something with its initiatives. hi
      4. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 20 November 2013 10: 43
        +3
        Quote: Beibit
        It gives hope, and while the people hope they (the people) do nothing ...

        good Looking at what he says, and what really happens, it is precisely such a thought that comes to mind. And for those who have already lost hope, you can slip the opposition in the style of Navalny, but be sure to cover it up with something, so that if something happens you can pull it back. hi
      5. shtanko.49
        shtanko.49 20 November 2013 11: 22
        +1
        Russia now looks like a fly, striving for light, beating against glass. And glass is the capitalist system itself, imposed on us by deception, tied to bandits and corruption. We must already admit that this is not our way, and go our own way of development, where we don’t loot decides everything, and human relations, honor, conscience and patriotism. And the president has all the resources for this, would have desire and will, people will always support him in such matters. The only question is whether there is such a desire and will?
        1. Oskar
          Oskar 20 November 2013 13: 22
          +1
          And glass is the capitalist system itself, imposed on us by deception, tied to bandits and corruption. We must already admit that this is not our way, and go our own way of development, where loot does not solve everything, but human relations, honor, conscience and patriotism
          good good good
    3. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 20 November 2013 09: 42
      +5
      Quote: mak210
      Maybe it's time to ask for business, and not for licking? This is also the boyars to blame?

      Yes, the boyars, it was they who dragged Kudrin to the last press conference of Putin with the people and forced him to promote PR Kudrin there laughing
    4. w.ebdo.g
      w.ebdo.g 20 November 2013 09: 58
      +7
      finally there was an article in which you can write "on the topic" about government and the central bank.
      where to get money for re-equipment when the central bank of Russia is not subordinate to the state and has no right to lend to
      to destroy the Russian economy as much as possible - that’s the main task of the Central Bank.
      do you still believe that the Central Bank is not working for the good of our enemies - amers?
      Do you still scold the President and say that he is not doing anything?

      Pay attention to the period when Putin ceased to be president - bets immediately climbed up.
      And as soon as Putin won the Georgian company, the Americans immediately sank that his grip should be relaxed and reckoned with Putin, although he was only the prime minister ...


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      The president cannot nationalize the Central Bank.
      we (the people) forbade him to do this by adopting a constitution written by amers
      in 1993 year.
      we can give such authority to the Presidency only again we (the people) and MORE NOBODY ...
      we banned the state from managing its money (CB)
      and they set up a commercial bank to manage the state’s money.
      The Central Bank is not a state bank. He's just a bank of Russia. Look at the 100 ruble bill, it says so honestly - Bank of Russia. And the word "STATE" is not there)))


      Do you really still consider Putin an enemy?

      you say that the President is the main in all problems?
      Listen to who really rules the country ...
      who cares who the president is if the money is controlled by the Central Bank, which does not obey anyone ...
      The Central Bank is managed by the US Federal Reserve.
      Now it’s clear why the people of Russia MUST nationalize the Central Bank?

      1. ism_ek
        ism_ek 20 November 2013 10: 09
        -19 qualifying.
        Quote: w.ebdo.g
        And as soon as Putin won the Georgian company

        During the Georgian company, Putin fled to China. And he returned from there, only after it became clear that the Russian Federation was winning.
        1. w.ebdo.g
          w.ebdo.g 20 November 2013 10: 21
          12
          Do not believe Zhirik at the expense of a real manager of Russia?
          here is Katasonov’s opinion



          Do you still think Putin is to blame for all the problems? wink

          it's time to demand the nationalization of the Central Bank.
          This is the most important thing to do!
          Otherwise, no matter who the president of Russia is. NEVER MIND...
          1. Kiliny
            Kiliny 20 November 2013 14: 23
            +2
            Of course, everyone is used to blaming Putin for everything. He is a Swiss and a reaper, and a dude is a fool, a fucker, a baker and a pharmacist, he can bend the horseshoes, and whoever asks him to go. It's easier to think lying on a sofa with beer, wait for a saucer with a border .. yes ??
            1. makarov
              makarov 20 November 2013 18: 43
              +3
              And he can fly on an airplane, dive in an underwater cruiser, parachute, communicate with cranes and more and more .... maybe he even knows Hebrew.
              1. ivshubarin
                ivshubarin 20 November 2013 19: 23
                -1
                What's bad about it
      2. strannik595
        strannik595 20 November 2013 13: 22
        +2
        it's time to demand the nationalization of the Central Bank.
        This is the most important thing to do!
        Otherwise, no matter who the president of Russia is. NEVER MIND...
        why Putin does not put this question to a popular referendum request if the activity of this bank is directly hostile to the interests and independence of the state, limits the power of the President himself? Is he his own enemy? or is he a meager too? how to understand this? more than half of Russians will support him in any way, and on the issue of independence of the state bank even the opposition will support him, in the person of the commies and Zhirinovites ....... what's the catch? all bought or all stupid?
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        2. w.ebdo.g
          w.ebdo.g 20 November 2013 13: 51
          +2
          closely monitor the president’s website:
          November 7, 2013 a meeting was held with the heads of the departments of constitutional law disciplines
          where the president essentially gave the command - "to develop new provisions to the Constitution"!
          but he gave this command carefully. Those who need to understand everything how to do it.
          we ourselves deprived the president of the right to convene a referendum. he cannot do this, the law of the constitution prohibits a referendum without the adoption of the corresponding law, and the law on the referendum has not been adopted for 20 years! and not even considered in the Duma ...
          you can't just appear on TV and shout to the whole of Russia - "we are changing the constitution, nationalizing the Central Bank" !!!
          the President has only one shot, and he should be at 10 !!!
          therefore, this step was systematically prepared, people on the ground changed, shocked the ministers ... the enemies did not sit idly by, they counteracted. they warmed up the ministered and moved ministers in other posts, released from the courtroom ...
          Now it’s all about the small thing - you need to have time to prepare people for the fact that the President is not an enemy and that it will be necessary to respond to his call ...
          That is why nothing is done directly in politics.
          The war has long been going on, while the information, and we are on its front.
          In any case, this is how I perceive what I do. I try to convey to people that we are under the control of a state hostile to us, and this yoke must be discarded first of all by the nationalization of the central bank. This is my personal opinion and I am responsible for it.
          I think so.
        3. Yarosvet
          Yarosvet 20 November 2013 14: 34
          -1
          Quote: strannik595
          what's the catch?

          The fact that it is impossible to nationalize the state.
          1. w.ebdo.g
            w.ebdo.g 20 November 2013 14: 56
            +2
            Yarosvet, do not mislead people ...
            Bank of Russia is not state. Read the constitution of the Russian Federation.
            specially for you I post a video about our bank:



            and another:
            Pay attention to how much the CB Chairman does not care what the President tells him. He just looks at the ceiling openly!
            the Central Bank has a different leadership - the US Federal Reserve, so they manage our money, politicians and the country as a whole ...
            1. Docent1984
              Docent1984 20 November 2013 15: 20
              +1
              So this ... he is no longer the head of the Central Bank smile
              1. w.ebdo.g
                w.ebdo.g 20 November 2013 15: 52
                0
                Docent1984, this is a significant moment as far as the head of the Central Bank does not care about the words and orders of the President ...
                and it doesn’t matter who the head of the Central Bank is. because the head himself submits to 12 of his deputies, by majority vote.
                so that the Central Bank actually manage 12 deputies who regularly ride in the United States for advanced training)))
            2. Yarosvet
              Yarosvet 20 November 2013 16: 35
              -1
              Quote: w.ebdo.g
              Bank of Russia is not state. Read the constitution of the Russian Federation.
              So read it - it is written in black in Russian that it is the Central Bank of the RUSSIAN FEDERATION, that independently it implements the BASIC FUNCTION specifically, and that it implements it independently of OTHER public authorities.

              pay attention to the chairman of the Central Bank
              Open the 4th chapter of the Constitution and 86-ФЗ and read - who appoints the head of the Central Bank and the board of directors.
              1. w.ebdo.g
                w.ebdo.g 20 November 2013 17: 45
                +1
                Yarosvet, especially for you at the expense of the goals of the central bank)))

                1. Yarosvet
                  Yarosvet 20 November 2013 18: 19
                  0
                  Quote: w.ebdo.g
                  Yarosvet, especially for you about the goals of the central bank

                  I can tell you about the mechanisms for solving "such problems" myself, but you can talk about the goals of the Central Bank as much as you want, but until the legislation changes, the current legislation will be in effect, and therefore the chatter will remain a chatter.

                  And the fact that the chatter will remain chatter, I have no doubt - it was already
        4. w.ebdo.g
          w.ebdo.g 20 November 2013 14: 39
          +3
          strannik595, in politics you can't just shout - "we nationalize the Central Bank !!!", all sorts of media will immediately join, many deputies, grand recipients, leaders of some parties, the world behind the scenes and God knows who else ...
          and then, maybe and why start to explode in cities ...
          therefore, the President must be VERY careful in such matters.
          go to the president’s website and see that on November 7 he met with lawmakers about the possibility of improving the Constitution of the Russian Federation.
          everything is written there with very soft expressions, but having eyes - he will see everything ... wink



          Do you still consider Putin an enemy of Russia?

          1. Oskar
            Oskar 20 November 2013 18: 03
            +1
            If there are only enemies around Putin (and how he only survived in such conditions for 14 years, a kind of "friend among strangers", and he lives well and is not ashamed for anything (!?!?): He sings songs, dives, flies, soon the head will walk and juggle), there is only one way out - the Highest Manifesto (read by him personally from an armored car) directly to the population of Russia (so to speak, explaining "xy from xy"), which was supposed to come out back in 2000, with his unsuccessful attempt to nationalize the Central Bank RF (as you say). Would you sweep away all your enemies, I assure you ... And Putin would be brought into the Kremlin in his arms ... And it turns out that Putin is a "fighter of an invisible front" (I am afraid that even a non-existent front), with incomprehensible goals and methods. Ridiculous to God, baby talk, sorry ...
        5. Docent1984
          Docent1984 20 November 2013 15: 17
          +5
          You know, as one old captain used to say, "orders have to be carried out efficiently, not quickly - you only have time to fuck your pants quickly." As for the banks - and I can see the situation a little from the inside - the trend is clear and consistent, there is a quiet and veiled nationalization of banks. Very slow and tight, but it goes. Without this, simply taking and "dispossessing" the same Central Bank is suicide. First, it is necessary to pour huge masses of capital and debt obligations under the wing of the sovereign. And only then can one announce the creation or reform of a state bank, a megabank, a superbank - no matter what you call it. And then, say, Glazyev will appear at the head. Until then, we need unpopular people, unpopular decisions and so on. It's just that such a hydra as the existing banking system cannot be cut in one fell swoop, it has too many tentacles.
          1. w.ebdo.g
            w.ebdo.g 20 November 2013 15: 29
            0
            Docent1984, everything was simply and clearly stated ...
            with one comment answered a couple of dozen questions that were asked by a mass of people.
            Thank you for the answer.
    5. w.ebdo.g
      w.ebdo.g 20 November 2013 16: 05
      +3
      you ask why the President does not change sharply the colonial policy of the central bank?
      so he already tried to do it right away in 2000. they didn’t give him our money back under state control. It took 13 years to accumulate strength, to place the patriots of Russia where necessary, to outwit as much as possible those who are set to look after Russia, so that we do not buck up ...
      here is a short answer:

      1. Yarosvet
        Yarosvet 20 November 2013 17: 24
        -4
        Quote: w.ebdo.g
        so he already tried to do it right away in 2000

        How did I get this insanity ...

        1 What exactly did he try and how?

        2 What documents can be read about this?
        1. w.ebdo.g
          w.ebdo.g 20 November 2013 17: 49
          0
          Yarosvet, another video for those who are in the tank)))



          and here’s an even more advanced video. described in detail about the formation of our power ...
          very interesting.

          1. Yarosvet
            Yarosvet 20 November 2013 18: 22
            -1
            Quote: w.ebdo.g
            Yarosvet, another video for those who are in the tank


            For those who repeat the questions in the tank:

            1 What exactly did he try and how?

            2 What documents can be read about this?

            It’s not a loader who’s working hard: evidence of an attempt to nationalize the Central Bank in the year 2000 in a studio.
    6. w.ebdo.g
      w.ebdo.g 20 November 2013 20: 24
      -1
      why do not plant traitors?
      here is the simple answer:

      1. Yarosvet
        Yarosvet 20 November 2013 21: 41
        0
        Quote: w.ebdo.g
        why do not plant traitors?
        here is the simple answer:

        I did not ask you what Starikov thinks about the reasons why traitors are not being planted - I asked this:
        Quote: Yarosvet


        For those who repeat the questions in the tank:

        1 What exactly did he try and how?

        2 What documents can be read about this?

        It’s not a loader who’s working hard: evidence of an attempt to nationalize the Central Bank in the year 2000 in a studio.

        And while you are trying to move out of the bazaar.
  2. Mikhail m
    Mikhail m 20 November 2013 08: 06
    12
    And the king is kind! The boyars are scum. Do not give wisely rule the state. Steal from.
    1. w.ebdo.g
      w.ebdo.g 20 November 2013 10: 29
      +8
      and here is about our Central Bank ...
      This is the most important bastion in the management of the Russian state.
      here we argue which weapon is better and which politician is cooler, but that the Central Bank is subordinate to the US Federal Reserve and that it is the Central Bank that controls our homeland.
      who cares who will be elected president of Russia? for the USA - NO !!! while the Central Bank is not subordinate to the Russian government.

      Do you still scold Putin and think that he is the enemy of Russia?
      you are mistaken, because amers need someone to be guilty of what they do with the help of the Central Bank.

    2. Xroft
      Xroft 20 November 2013 11: 53
      0
      And the lackeys are all waiting for the king to do everything for them.
      1. strannik595
        strannik595 20 November 2013 13: 59
        +1
        "villainous" initiative of the Central Bank of Russia of November 20, 2013 (commissioned by the US Federal Reserve)


        MOSCOW, Nov 20 - Prime. The Central Bank of the Russian Federation does not abandon its intention to introduce a maximum level of interest rates on loans for individuals.

        “We at the Central Bank support the idea of ​​introducing a maximum level of interest rates on loans for individuals. This is necessary to combat usurious interest. By the way, this is done in many countries, ”said the head of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation Elvira Nabiullina, speaking on Wednesday in the State Duma.

        She explained that since the financial literacy of the population is not always high enough, there must be tools that will protect Russians from too high a percentage.

        “As for individuals, I am in favor of such interest (fixed maximum level of rates). We are ready to do this on a market basis, on the basis of market analysis, at what rates banks provide loans, ”Nabiullina said, adding that this would prevent certain banks from overstating interest.

        The State Duma Committee on the financial market in mid-November refused to limit and regulate rates on consumer loans in the law. Earlier, the head of the committee, Natalya Burykina, announced the possible establishment in the law on consumer lending of a maximum rate beyond which banks and other organizations could not provide loans to the population. The Bank of Russia, in turn, proposed limiting the size of interest rates on loans to the average level for a particular segment, plus a third of it.

        Russian President Vladimir Putin this summer instructed the government and the Central Bank by October 1 to submit a proposal on the appropriateness of government regulation or limiting interest rates on consumer loans. In response to this, the Central Bank proposed legislatively establishing two new indicators for banks - the total cost of the loan and the ratio of the borrower's debt to its income (DTI).
        1. w.ebdo.g
          w.ebdo.g 20 November 2013 15: 08
          0
          why does the president sign not popular laws?
          Here is the answer:
          1. Yarosvet
            Yarosvet 20 November 2013 17: 51
            -2
            Quote: w.ebdo.g
            why does the president sign not popular laws?
            Here is the answer:
            We will analyze this answer

            Occupation system - for the meaning of the concept of "occupation" in the dictionary please

            President - Notary - How long have veto rights been canceled?

            The General Secretary of the CPSU Central Committee did not sign the documents - insanity

            I have been doing this for over 20 years. - that is, it is he who is the representative of the occupation authority

            He does not have time to read all the documents - and who cares? His job is to read them, if you can’t cope, get out. Moreover: there is no evidence that white bastards are surrounded by only bastards (which he picked up for himself, by the way)

            He does not look at documents, he looks at technology - Well, especially Vova, you need to remove the tads, because in accordance with the Constitution, he must first of all not look at technology, but at the compliance of the content with constitutional norms (in case of contradictions, he must veto, and if in doubt he has the right, and in fact obligation to forward the draft law to the Constitutional Court for consideration)

            Urgent decrees - ento forgive what? And one more thing: 1 decree should not contradict either the Constitution or the federal legislation 2 Decree is a by-law.

            Just as Germany created governing bodies in the occupied territories of the USSR, just as the USSR created Poland and the GDR - The recognition that Putin is the appointed Gauleiter is worth a lot, and comparing the USSR with fascist Germany is generally something good
      2. ZU-23
        ZU-23 20 November 2013 14: 41
        0
        That’s for sure, serfs really believe that he is their servant, and when he begins to educate them, they also don’t like it. I remember this Zadornov told how foreign fairy tales and ours begin, a boy went to them and earned money for a princess’s hut and wife, and we have Ivan sitting on the stove and dreaming of the kingdom of the fifties and the fifties, how to go and take someone’s thread and become a royal. This policy is often visible among business representatives; most of them, too, do not want to work.
        1. w.ebdo.g
          w.ebdo.g 20 November 2013 18: 02
          0
          ZU-23, you are right.
          I also believed that the President of ALL can and will order everything ...
          only 3 months ago I ran into a person who simply advised reading the Constitution.
          I read ... And I had questions! To which I began to look for answers.
          Now I share my conclusions ...
          and 3 months ago I didn’t even suspect that Russia was a colony of the US Federal Reserve.
          It's never too late to learn. LEARN.
          1. Ascetic
            Ascetic 20 November 2013 19: 22
            +3
            Russian President Vladimir Putin approved the concept of public safety for the period until 2020,
            The concept of public safety in the Russian Federation
            clickable
  3. Sterlya
    Sterlya 20 November 2013 08: 09
    +7
    from Kudrin, the second Witte did not work. in other areas, use his dead number. unless to use a name. there will be more harm naturally. Does anyone seriously think that these tips are baked about the good of the country? !!
    1. Oskar
      Oskar 20 November 2013 08: 45
      15
      Kudrin was not the Minister of Finance (to call a person who is only concerned about collecting and transferring money from the economy of his own country abroad as a minister, his language does not turn). He was a mafia accountant.
      1. alone
        alone 20 November 2013 19: 10
        0
        Quote: Oskar
        Kudrin was not the Minister of Finance (to call a person who is only concerned about collecting and transferring money from the economy of his own country abroad as a minister, his language does not turn). He was a mafia accountant.


        and the current Ministry of Finance is like a custodian of the public domain? they are all the same. how do you think an honest person could accept the Ministry of Finance from Kudrin, knowing the state of the Ministry?
    2. w.ebdo.g
      w.ebdo.g 20 November 2013 10: 41
      +9
      why didn’t the majority of citizens even read the Constitution of the Russian Federation? Personally, I read it only 3 months ago. Until this time, I was not at all interested in its contents. I read and was stunned by what I read ...
      Do you know that we are forbidden to change the constitution?
      Do you know that in 1993 the grand receivers wrote from amers?
      Do you know that state money does not belong to the state? and it doesn’t matter how much oil costs $ 100 or $ 200 - all the same, this money is managed by the Central Bank, which has no right to lend to the state (!!!)
      Do you know that under the constitution, the president does not have the right not to sign the stupid law if it is submitted repeatedly and has passed all preliminary approvals?
      you know that the constitution of the Russian Federation deprives Russia of state sovereignty?
      You do not know all this?
      then watch this video. You will be VERY interesting ...

      1. strannik595
        strannik595 20 November 2013 13: 42
        0
        A key element of the legal status of the Bank of Russia is the principle of independence, which is manifested primarily in the fact that the Bank of Russia acts as a special public law institution with the exclusive right to issue money and organize money circulation. It is not a public authority, however, its powers, by their legal nature, relate to the functions of state power, since their implementation involves the application of state coercive measures. The functions and powers provided for by the Constitution of the Russian Federation and the Federal Law “On the Central Bank of the Russian Federation (Bank of Russia)” are performed by the Bank of Russia independently of federal state authorities, state authorities of the constituent entities of the Russian Federation and local governments. The independence of the status of the Bank of Russia is reflected in Article 75 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation, as well as in Articles 1 and 2 of the Federal Law “On the Central Bank of the Russian Federation (Bank of Russia)”.
        Legal status and functions of the Bank of Russia
        Do you know that state money does not belong to the state? and it doesn’t matter how much oil costs $ 100 or $ 200 - all the same, the Central Bank manages this money


        In accordance with the Federal Law of the Russian Federation “On the Central Bank of the Russian Federation (Bank of Russia)”, the Bank of Russia is a legal entity. Authorized capital and other property of the Bank of Russia are federal propertyMoreover, the Bank of Russia is endowed with property and financial independence.
        1. Yarosvet
          Yarosvet 20 November 2013 14: 41
          0
          Quote: strannik595
          It is not a public authority

          The Bank of Russia carries out independently of federal government bodies
        2. w.ebdo.g
          w.ebdo.g 20 November 2013 15: 06
          0
          the central bank cannot independently issue money.
          he does it EXCLUSIVELY after the buyback of an unsecured dollar.
          how much oil for dollars changed, so many rubles can print ...
          1. Yarosvet
            Yarosvet 20 November 2013 18: 12
            +1
            Quote: w.ebdo.g
            the central bank cannot independently issue money.
            You’re contradicting yourself as a nice person - the Constitution says that only he can do it.

            he does it EXCLUSIVELY after the buyback of an unsecured dollar
            What is the number of law requiring the Central Bank to do just that.

            how much oil for dollars changed, so many rubles can print ...
            Apparently this is why the ruble mass is 70% more than the dollar laughing

            I will analyze for you and this fucking video:

            Occupied Territory - where are the troops of the occupier?

            All collaborate with the occupiers - this he is apparently about himself.

            100 rubles - certificate of cooperation - This is a certificate of the purchasing power of a particular citizen.

            External control technology ... they did it themselves - Again, a comparison of the USSR with fascist Germany (he is just a super patriot)

            In general, read the Constitution and 86-FZ, and having met specific terms do not think out their meaning, but refer to dictionaries.
            1. w.ebdo.g
              w.ebdo.g 20 November 2013 18: 30
              +1
              for yarosvet:
              "the updated version of this law (dated January 10.01.2003, 5 No. XNUMX-FZ):" The Bank of Russia exercises the authority to own, use and dispose of the property of the Bank of Russia, including the gold and foreign exchange reserves of the Bank of Russia. "

              If earlier all proceeds from the emission of money and their circulation were state property, now the newly baked private corporation has gained the right to have “its own income” due to the fact that it has seized the right to print money for itself: “The Bank of Russia performs the following functions: ... 2) monopoly issues cash ... "and the ability to manage the loan interest:" ... makes decisions: to change the interest rates of the Bank of Russia ""
              “Article 75, paragraph 2. Protection and ensuring the stability of the ruble is the main function of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation, which it exercises independently of other government bodies.” But nowhere is there any explanation as to what the ruble should be stable for. Maybe in relation to the dollar?
              1. w.ebdo.g
                w.ebdo.g 20 November 2013 18: 50
                0
                for yarosvet:
                "Of course, there should be one emission center for the state currency. But since the state currency is issued, then the decision on the issue and volumes of this currency must be made by the state. However,

                Article 2 reads: “The authorized capital and other property of the Bank of Russia are federal property. In accordance with the goals and in the manner established by this Federal Law, the Bank of Russia exercises authority to possess, use and dispose of the property of the Bank of Russia, including the Bank of Russia gold and currency reserves. Withdrawal and encumbrance of obligations of the specified property without the consent of the Bank of Russia are not allowed, unless otherwise provided by federal law.

                The state is not liable for the obligations of the Bank of Russia, and the Bank of Russia - for the obligations of the state, if they have not assumed such obligations or unless otherwise provided by federal laws. The Bank of Russia carries out its expenses from its own income. "

                “Article 23. The funds of the federal budget and state extra-budgetary funds shall be stored in the Bank of Russia, unless otherwise provided by federal laws.”

                Thus, everything that was earned by Russia, all its people, the state gold and foreign exchange reserves (gold reserves) of Russia itself does not belong, since they are deposited with the Central Bank of the Russian Federation. It is as if several people went to pick berries and picked them in one basket, the one who did not pick these berries and did not even carry the basket, but his basket. After the berries fall into this basket, they immediately become the property of the owner of the basket, which controls these berries at their discretion. And since "Withdrawal and encumbrance of obligations of the specified property without the consent of the Bank of Russia are not allowed." Those. those who picked these berries to take at least some berries from the basket are forced to comply with the conditions that the basket owner imposes on pickers. It is as if, as the owner, you would rent your apartment to someone for a while, and then without his consent you could not dispose of it.

                Such absurd relations are approved by the law on the Central Bank. And on the basis of this absurdity, a policy is being pursued according to which

                “The state is not responsible for the obligations of the Bank of Russia, and the Bank of Russia - for the obligations of the state”
                1. w.ebdo.g
                  w.ebdo.g 20 November 2013 18: 59
                  0
                  for yarosvet:
                  And who the Central Bank of the Russian Federation gave these "powers of ownership"? No one. Berry pickers are ready to give the basket owner a portion of the berries in payment for using the basket, but they will not go to collect the berries for the basket owner in order to later buy from them the berries they have collected. So the state reserves the country's gold reserves in the bank; for this, it is entitled to a fee that the state considers reasonable, but the state cannot transfer ownership of the gold reserves to the bank only because they are stored there. Any other bank can be selected for storing gold reserves. If necessary, a new bank can be created.

                  But in order to prevent this from happening in Russia, the only country in the world, in its Constitution, the technical role of the Central Bank is fixed by law:

                  “Article 75

                  1. The monetary unit in the Russian Federation is the ruble. Monetary issue is carried out exclusively by the Central Bank of the Russian Federation. Introduction and issue of other money in the Russian Federation are not allowed.

                  2. Protecting and ensuring the stability of the ruble is the main function of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation, which it carries out independently of other public authorities. ” (Constitution of the Russian Federation, Chapter 3. Federal structure

                  And if, the state of Russia dares to encroach on taking the “powers of ownership” from the Central Bank, then the Central Bank of the Russian Federation has the right to demand the punishment of Russia from foreign states. In full accordance with the law on the Central Bank of the Russian Federation:

                  “Article 6. The Bank of Russia has the right to appeal to the courts in the manner determined by the legislation of the Russian Federation. The Bank of Russia has the right to apply for the protection of its interests to international courts, courts of foreign states and arbitration courts. ”

                  Why such an article in law? The thing is how the Central Bank uses these very “powers of ownership” of the gold reserves of Russia.

                  “It must be understood that the Central Bank holds about 90% of its foreign exchange reserves in foreign bonds.” (Alexandra PSHENICHNAYA “The USA can leave Russia without reserves”
                  In other words, Russia for a healthy life makes fun of the welfare of Western countries, in bonds of which they are stored the gold reserves of Russia. And the slave status of Russia in relation to the West is ensured by the Central Bank of the Russian Federation, which distills Russia's real wealth into Western papers with drawn numbers, or simply into computer zeros that will disappear as soon as the lights turn off
                2. Yarosvet
                  Yarosvet 20 November 2013 19: 37
                  0
                  Quote: w.ebdo.g
                  Thus, everything that was earned by Russia, all its people, the state gold and foreign exchange reserves (gold reserves) of Russia itself does not belong
                  What are gold reserves, how are they formed, and what are their functions? Understand - you will understand what nonsense you wrote.

                  “Withdrawal and encumbrance of obligations of the specified property without the consent of the Bank of Russia are not allowed.” Those. those who picked these berries to take at least some berries from the basket are forced to comply with the conditions that the basket owner makes to the pickers
                  And the conditions of the "owner" of the basket can be presented only in accordance with the laws that the collectors wrote.

                  Quote: w.ebdo.g
                  And if, the state of Russia dares to encroach on taking the “powers of ownership” from the Central Bank, then the Central Bank of the Russian Federation has the right to demand the punishment of Russia from foreign states
                  This is called looking into a book and seeing a fig.

                  Article 6. The Bank of Russia has the right to file lawsuits in the courts in the manner determined by the legislation of the Russian Federation. The Bank of Russia is entitled to apply for protection of its interests to international courts, courts of foreign states and arbitration courts
                  Now take an interest in the order determined by law and the interests of the Central Bank, consisting of its goals and functions.
                  And at the same time take an interest in the subject of international law.

                  Quote: w.ebdo.g
                  “The state is not responsible for the obligations of the Bank of Russia, and the Bank of Russia - for the obligations of the state”
              2. Yarosvet
                Yarosvet 20 November 2013 19: 16
                -2
                Quote: w.ebdo.g
                from 10.01.2003 N 5-ФЗ
                You have either mixed up the number or date.

                If earlier all the proceeds from the issue of money and their circulation were state property
                When earlier and under what conditions (was the ruble convertible before, was the ruble a financial instrument, etc.)?

                now a newly baked private corporation
                A private corporation accountable and controlled by the government, the Federation Council, the State Duma and the president? belay

                got the right to have "own income"
                What is the income of the Central Bank, and what part of it goes to the state-woo (compare with Gazprom)?

                due to the fact that she seized the right to print money for herself
                The Central Bank does not print money for itself, but the right to do it was given to it by the citizens of the Russian Federation and the state.

                monopolizes the issue of cash ...
                Do you want everyone who is not lazy to do this?

                makes decisions: on changes in interest rates of the Bank of Russia
                And who do you think should do this - is it not the one who is responsible for the stability of the ruble?

                But nowhere is there any explanation as to what the ruble should be stable for. Maybe in relation to the dollar?
                That’s the problem, that, not knowing the terminology, instead of familiarizing yourself with it, you start to devil what to invent, and people like Fedorov do this on a gesheft
                1. Yarosvet
                  Yarosvet 20 November 2013 19: 19
                  0
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                2. w.ebdo.g
                  w.ebdo.g 20 November 2013 19: 36
                  -1
                  Yarosvet, especially for you:
                  Katasonov is no longer Fedorov)))


                  and here is Starikov’s explanation, is he also not a smart person?))
                  1. Yarosvet
                    Yarosvet 20 November 2013 21: 11
                    +1
                    Quote: w.ebdo.g
                    Yarosvet, especially for you:
                    Katasonov is no longer Fedorov
                    1 Pay attention to who he is talking to and where: he is a religious person and his mystical-conspiracy theological connotation in a conversation with the same religious people is quite explainable, but he does not affirm, but sets out his opinion (in contrast to the affirming Fedorov)

                    2 The context shows. that he speaks figuratively about the colonial administration - ask his opinion about this administration, at the head of which he quite rightly puts Putin (in general, such "colonialism" was long ago invented a more correct name - comprador power)

                    and here is Starikov’s explanation, is he also not a smart person?
                    Starikov - sang along a la Fedorov, but I will analyze:

                    Fed may lend to government - Do not lend, but eliminate the shortage of money supply, and only with the approval of Congress. And Fedorov & ko offers you to give everything up to the government (in this case, the Medvedev government), without any control from the State Duma, while appointing him responsible for the actions of the Central Bank government.

                    Can not lend to Russia - of course: since the sole founder of the Central Bank is the Russian Federation, to borrow from the Central Bank would be to borrow from itself, and this is impossible.

                    Central Bank - exchanger - including.

                    Put oil, put dollars, dollars got into gold reserves - one detail was pulled out of this scheme: only part of the currency falls into the gold and foreign currency reserves, while the main part is used to purchase goods not produced in the Russian Federation.

                    Central Bank buys bond receipts - at which interest is due to which gold reserves are mainly growing, and then used for currency interventions in order to ensure the basic function of the Central Bank.
                    1. w.ebdo.g
                      w.ebdo.g 21 November 2013 09: 51
                      0
                      Yarosvet, forget who can’t borrow and borrow from whom. All these intricacies were invented for one purpose - to take possession of the money of those who earn it.
                      Look easier at the world and the truth will be revealed to you ...
                      Manage the money should be the one who earned it - this is the undeniable formula of money. And there is no other.
                      in this case, we are considering Russia itself as an earning entity. In the form of tools for making money, the able-bodied population, farmed crops and animals, as well as resources in the bowels of the country are taken into account. (this is very simplistic)
                      Accordingly, the state earned this money and, according to our formula, should dispose of it.
                      State power in the country belongs to the deputies, the government and the president. So this particular branch of government should manage the money of the state. After all, this state has earned all the money.

                      but in Russia, all state money is managed by (the undivided) bank of Russia in which 12 people decide who drive in advanced training to America and at the same time they do not submit to ANYONE from the legislative branch and also do not submit to the court ...
                      Yarosvet, did you notice a huge logical inconsistency? Do you understand that all of us were greatly deceived back in 1990, when Yeltsin adopted the law on the bank?
                      I deliberately do not go into the intricacies of legal and banking, specially simplified all interactions. All this is just to bring to the surface the principle of distribution and management of money. Who has earned is the one who manages his money.
                      but in Russia those who have earned (the state) do not have the right to manage money. And the one who spends (the Central Bank) does not obey, is not controlled, is not subject to jurisdiction ...
                      How do you like this? and you will prove that it is good?
                      12 people manage all the money of the state, and the state does not even have means of influence on these people. And you want these people not to steal?
                      are you out of your mind, dear?
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                      2. w.ebdo.g
                        w.ebdo.g 22 November 2013 11: 46
                        0
                        Yarosvet, dear to me, why are you trying to insult me ​​in almost every post?
                        Well, it will not work for you to troll me. wink
                        Have a good mood...)))))
    3. vladimirZ
      vladimirZ 20 November 2013 14: 58
      +4
      This video of the speech of expert Stepan Sulakshin http://www.youtube.com/embed/g8vCVyxGY_c?rel=0&wmode=transparent, with a proposal to amend the current Constitution of the Russian Federation, Russia's prospects, if it continues to move along the current path of "development" listen to the author of crimsonalter and the parties, the article published on the site "Dedicated to the all-fledged".
      There is no prospect of moving on without change; further on, this is the collapse of Russia.
      It seems that Putin also began to understand this, since he started talking about changing the Constitution, in particular at the current meeting with Zyuganov.
      1. w.ebdo.g
        w.ebdo.g 20 November 2013 18: 12
        -3
        vladimirZ,
        It seems that Putin began to understand this, since he started talking about changing the Constitution, in particular at the current meeting with Zyuganov

        so he understood this before, but the forces were unequal.
        we ourselves have limited any of our presidents in the rights to govern the state ...
        you and I, you, I and everyone else, adopted in 1993 a constitution that took away all power from the president. Now he is simply the guarantor of the constitution. "looking" for the constitution)))
        his duty is to monitor the correct implementation of the constitution, which we have adopted ...
        and grand recipients wrote this constitution and shoved it through our lawmakers ...
        it took Putin 13 years to quietly, without attracting the attention of amers, build his line of defense and now he goes on the offensive ...
        look at the president's website and see that on November 7 there is an article "Meeting with the heads of the departments of constitutional and legal disciplines"
        just about all future changes in domestic politics.
        of course everything is said very softly, but who thinks about it will understand)))
  • borisjdin1957
    borisjdin1957 20 November 2013 08: 10
    +9
    from the Don.
    Unfortunately, in our time, you can probably reach the authorities only with an AX!
    1. does it
      does it 20 November 2013 08: 22
      +3
      Quote: borisjdin1957
      from the Don.
      Unfortunately, in our time, you can probably reach the authorities only with an AX!

      Good morning ! why so rude? It is necessary that in hundreds of cities people would come to rallies, and not in Moscow alone for a show.Concordia domi, foris pax. Consent in the country - peace abroad.
    2. w.ebdo.g
      w.ebdo.g 20 November 2013 11: 48
      +4
      The main task of acupants (Americans) is to create such conditions that the people ALWAYS scolded the authorities and especially the President. Put corrupt officials in the government; the media should write more about horrors and sheer corruption. At the same time, divide citizens into various political parties, give them slurred and crazy leaders ...
      In this case, citizens will NEVER see the real enemy of their country, they will think that Putin is to blame for everything ...
      But what can he do if we have limited our president in the rights to govern the country?
      we did it ourselves in 1993, when we gladly accepted the constitution, written by the American authorities and graciously slipped into our "lawmakers."
      we have adopted this constitution with you ...
      gave all our money to the management of the Bank of Russia (this is not a state bank, but a commercial one). Look at any ruble bill - it says "ticket of the bank of Russia". And the word "state" is missing ...
      so the banks of Russia are a whole bunch in the country, they are all banks of Russia, if that)))
      but only one bank and its 12 chairmen have given us the right to undivided management of all our money and foreign exchange reserves.
      do you still think that Russia has money? you are wrong.
      we have adopted the constitution and specifically wrote in article 75 - "the bank of russia conducts its course, REGARDLESS of other state bodies" ...
      that's all, sailed ...
      Do you still think that Putin is an enemy of Russia?
      a friend of mine tells me what a good boy Navalny is ... and why does this good boy not raise the question of the central bank? after all, this is a paramount and paramount task for any politician who has gathered for the presidency of the country.
      such garbage ...
      we (the people) took away from the president the right and opportunity to rule the country, deprived our state of money ourselves, now only we ourselves can return it all.
      The President alone as Batman will not solve all these problems ...
      we limited it, we must give him (the president) the opportunity to correct our mistakes! and it doesn’t matter if it’s Putin or someone else worthy of the presidency, but without this step NOBODY will be able to effectively manage the country.
      I think so...


    3. STALGRAD76
      STALGRAD76 20 November 2013 12: 34
      +2
      From the Volga, yesterday the Volgograd Regional Duma allowed the privatization of the local "Volgofarm" and FSUs ... that the enterprise gives income to the budget and is a controlling body along with drug control over drug trafficking, and the elections of deputies were in September, it was still a mess, the deputies became who do you think, but the same faces that were, do you think people voted for them? and who knows that the Volgograd region. in the Southern Federal District the most lame in terms of living standards and who is to blame for Putin? and the governor (the former mayor of Astrakhan, his former deputies who do not know now, either on the run, or convicted), who did not appoint him?
      1. w.ebdo.g
        w.ebdo.g 20 November 2013 13: 26
        +2
        STALGRAD76, well, what do you see all the troubles in the President? Have you tried to think on your own? or do you only know how to feed what radio, newspaper and television?
        what difference does it make who will be the president, because you personally voted in 1993 for the adoption of a constitution written by amers and slipped into our lawmakers ...
        it was you who voted to deprive the country of money and transfer it to the disposal of the only commercial bank.
        it was you who agreed with the abolition of Article 89 "note" (on theft of state property from 10 to the highest measure), so that thieves in power could steal comfortably and with impunity ...
        it is you personally agreed that the President did not have the right to full governance of the state ...
        and now you are blaming Putin for the mistakes (betrayal) that you personally made.
        I also voted with you for all this and clapped my hands in joy ...
        but I realized my mistake and try to convey my thoughts to others.
        even if I manage to open my eyes to only one person, then I do it for good reason. It is time to fight for Russia, and not to poke a finger at the President. He is not Batman.
        I think so.


  • mirag2
    mirag2 20 November 2013 08: 12
    +4
    For some reason, we have politics, economics, and the media separately.
    I don’t know whether Luzhkov stole it or not, maybe he connived, the population loved him, especially pensioners, and as politicians he touched everything, they immediately dug up a bunch of feces on him.
    Further-Khodorkovsky-stole, stolen-nevermind, sooooo much politics touched-into the zone.
    Bulk-stole, stole-nevermind got into politics, everything.
    What am I saying this, that it is not necessary to bring to such a thing-immediately in the zone for many, many years, without the right of pardon and all sorts of parole, that is. as a heavy article.
    And in the media it’s better not to bring it to sin, but in advance to put everything on the shelves, dissatisfied with the Czechs in Israel, or in the USA, where you are VERY needed.
    It is this "non-interference" and lack of proactive action that have led to what we have now.
    Of course, it’s convenient to let people break the law — if anything — into prison.
    But the best to act ahead of the curve.
    1. w.ebdo.g
      w.ebdo.g 20 November 2013 13: 38
      +2
      Zhirinovsky about world government

  • makarov
    makarov 20 November 2013 08: 15
    -2
    Remarkable and centuries-old domestic politics: Tsar GOOD, and boyars bastards and obscurantists !!!
    Curious, but will Khodynka?
  • Alex66
    Alex66 20 November 2013 08: 17
    +6
    I don’t understand one thing with the Americans. Putin seems to have enough strength to butt, but this is not easy, but as far as domestic politics is concerned, conversations about evil boyars immediately begin. Well, I don’t believe it, if I really wanted to punish the boyars, I would raise the paratroopers on alert, I think they would try. But he doesn’t really want to see things in order, it’s not financially profitable for many.
    1. Grbear
      Grbear 20 November 2013 12: 43
      +6
      Sir, have you ever had to lead with deputies, and with deputies - even deputies? At least three levels? And now, calculate the effectiveness of the solution with a loss of 10% accuracy at each level: there (indication) and vice versa (information about implementation). Add to this the skill level of the staff (twenty years of training have been done by efmen).

      Monitoring the effectiveness of decisions can make sense when data on results comes from the bottom. Therefore:
      - The sites of city administrations do not work;
      - e-government does not work;
      - auction data, etc. are not published.

      This is what we are talking about. Decent people should get into public education, and not curls with rezniks who are "pulled" by the officials themselves.
      something like that. hi
    2. w.ebdo.g
      w.ebdo.g 20 November 2013 15: 37
      +2
      Alex66, the constitution that you respected adopted in 1993 prohibits the President from running the country in full, but in the international arena, our constitution is powerless and therefore cannot tie the hands of someone who does not stick out of their joys. And judging by the actions and policies of our President on the world stage, his hands are properly screwed, where necessary for a normal man. So he divides all these "democrats" and "pede.rastov" wink
      you yourself adopted such a constitution, and now complain instead of realizing your mistake ...
      why did you take away from the president the ability to effectively manage the country7
      why did they allow one bank, not subordinate to ANYONE, to take all our money and not even report for it in full?
      WHY ABOLISHED ARTICLE OF THE Criminal Code of the Russian Federation 89 "PRIM" (ABOUT EXPANSION OF STATE PROPERTY)
      what are you complaining now?
      keep quiet? that's it! wink
      1. Ascetic
        Ascetic 20 November 2013 19: 28
        +2
        Quote: w.ebdo.g
        the constitution, which you respected, adopted in 1993, prohibits the President from leading the country fully




        When you tell people that President - Disability Position, then no one believes, considering him the omnipotent king or, in extreme cases, the general secretary. Now, based on this information, you can add a little specificity to educational stories

        In an annual address to the Federal Assembly, which the Russian president is expected to announce on December 12, Vladimir Putin will pay great attention to the Constitution and its role in the state, the Izvestia newspaper reported. It is planned that, at the initiative of the president, a constitutional council will be created in the country before the end of the year.
        earlier in a meeting with executives with leading lawyers in the field of constitutional law Putin said that national legislation should be a priority over international norms and decisions of foreign courts. And this is impossible without changing the Constitution, since part 4 of Article 15 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation provides for the supremacy of international norms. This gives great hope that the changes will still affect precisely those articles of the Constitution that reinforce the colonial position of Russia. So, one more very big step will be taken to restore the sovereignty of Russia.
        1. w.ebdo.g
          w.ebdo.g 20 November 2013 20: 10
          -2
          Stanislav! as always, you gave out briefly, in essence and most importantly with pictures)))
          especially for those who studied comics ...
          it's just a joke, I do not want to hurt anyone)))
          actually beautifully written. short. just.
          Thank you!
          ps that's just the pictures are not clickable ...
        2. Yarosvet
          Yarosvet 20 November 2013 21: 35
          +1
          Quote: Ascetic
          Ascetic, can you, before exposing delusional tables, familiarize yourself with the contents of the articles of the relevant documents indicated in them, as well as with the meaning of legal terms? Well, just so as not to drive the blizzard?

          Example:
          We take the first column: the President has no right to amend the Constitution, and the Secretary General allegedly has - as stated in the 1st table.

          Now look:
          1. Ascetic
            Ascetic 20 November 2013 22: 59
            +1
            Quote: Yarosvet
            We take the first column: the President has no right to amend the Constitution, and the Secretary General allegedly has - as stated in the 1st table.


            Not the Secretary General, but the Chairman of the Presidium of the USSR Armed Forces (he is also usually the Secretary General) has the right to participate in this process as a member of the Supreme Council. But the President of Russia is not. But in fact, in accordance with Art. The USSR Constitution on the leading and guiding role of the CPSU in the country ALL decisions were made by the Politburo of the CPSU Central Committee. And what powers of the Secretary General were less than that of the President of the Russian Federation? This is the essence of comparisons and tables about REAL AUTHORITY in the country. Secretary General represented by the Chairman of the Presidium of the Supreme Council and the Supreme Council of the USSR possessed unlimited power in the country. The President of the Russian Federation does not have such power, otherwise there would have been no numerous butts of Eltsin from the State Duma regarding the approval of budgets and the government, the matter even came to impeachment and parliamentary crises.
            And now, some are comparing the powers and power of the President with almost Stalin. These are really delusional fabrications.
            1. Yarosvet
              Yarosvet 21 November 2013 14: 10
              +1
              Quote: Ascetic
              Not the Secretary General, but the Chairman of the Presidium of the USSR Armed Forces (he is usually the Secretary General) has the right to take part in this process as a member of the Supreme Council
              What does “participate” mean in your understanding?
              The table states that the chairman can amend the Constitution, but he could not do this, he only, like the president of the Russian Federation, had the right to legislative initiative.

              But in fact, in accordance with Art. The USSR Constitution on the leading and guiding role of the CPSU in the country ALL decisions were made by the Politburo of the Central Committee of the CPSU
              Have you read this article?

              And what powers of the Secretary General were less than that of the President of the Russian Federation?
              Definitely no more.

              This is the essence of comparison and tables about REAL AUTHORITY in the country
              If desired, the essence can be found even where it is not - which is what you are trying to do. The table, indicating articles for comparison, is corny lying - that is the point.

              Secretary General represented by the Chairman of the Presidium of the Armed Forces and the Armed Forces of the USSR possessed unlimited power in the country. The President of the Russian Federation does not possess such power, otherwise there would have been no numerous butts of Eltsin from the State Duma regarding the approval of budgets and the government, the matter came even to the point of impeachment and parliamentary crises
              What do you know about the butt of Stalin?

              And now, some are comparing the powers and power of the President with almost Stalin.
              You open the Constitution of the Russian Federation and starting from the 80th article - forward and with the song.
              1. w.ebdo.g
                w.ebdo.g 22 November 2013 12: 08
                0
                Yarosvet, I was curious about what you write on the site. Looked at a lot of your comments.
                out of 2500 comments, at least 80% is written on one topic - "Putin is a thief and a radish." It seems that you are on the site only for this purpose ... wink

                common trollcommon troll

                the picture is just for example, and not in order to offend you))))
        3. ism_ek
          ism_ek 22 November 2013 23: 59
          +1
          Quote: Ascetic

          Your lying table, take the trouble to read the 1977 constitution.
          Only the congress of people's deputies can change the constitution.
          Only the Supreme Council could pass laws
          Well, hereinafter ...
          In short, you either did not read the constitution, or you are an outright liar.
  • calocha
    calocha 20 November 2013 08: 20
    +3
    Putin is not stupid and understands that something needs to be done about it. Here, and the moment of truth for him ...
    1. Salavatsky Ministry of Emergency Situations
      +5
      Quote: calocha
      Putin is not stupid and understands that something needs to be done about it. Here, and the moment of truth for him ...


      How much time has passed for the moment of truth to come! Some kind of brake we have the truth
      1. makarov
        makarov 20 November 2013 14: 08
        +2
        Therefore, the devastation is not in the closets, but in the heads!
  • treskoed
    treskoed 20 November 2013 08: 21
    0
    Apparently, these persons are impressed by the president with something. As they say, they don’t argue about tastes ... Hmmm ...
  • Nitarius
    Nitarius 20 November 2013 08: 23
    +8
    The fact that the officials do not want to fulfill the duties assigned to them is sabotage! if not to say in the SOFT form- BAGS and traitors!
    And the fact that Putin Possessed is possible and necessary ..... no one doubts this!
    But if you REALLY WATCH, then Who would not say BUT welfare of the people in the Locations -DETERMINE LOCAL AUTHORITIES IN THE PLACES!

    Example ... A much respected Aman Tuleyev for the Kuzbass for some reason could knock out so that from 1 ruble there were 8 87 kopecks in his native Kuzbass. but the same Kress, the former governor of the Tomsk region, was giving 96 copecks to the ruble to Moscow ... THIS IS WHAT HE SAYS ... that Kress could not get the Region to get more ...

    and here is TULEYEV that forces those companies that come to KUZBASS to be registered in the Kuzbass and to pay TAXES to the local budget there ....
    What, for example, in TOMSK and the region is not OBSERVED ... a bunch of companies from Moscow and St. Petersburg and taxes there Pay and not to local budgets .....
    In the Kuzbass Chic Roads ..... WHAT ASKED FOR IN TOMSK prevents them from doing ??? CORRUPTION and not small.
    Recently the road was repaired by 16 km - it cost 680 million rubles .... To put it mildly, THIPS

    And when they say blame everything -PUTIN ...... I DO NOT BELIEVE ....

    SORRY FOR EXPRESSIONS ---- BUT ON THE NUMBER it is necessary to LOCAL SITS ... AUTHORITY, or rather, the POWERS OF THESE given to them in the field .....
    I think that until Shot they WILL BE RETURNED FOR CORRUPTION AND CONFISCATION ... NOTHING TO CHANGE ANYTHING!
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 20 November 2013 10: 57
      +1
      Quote: Nitarius
      SORRY FOR EXPRESSIONS ---- BUT ON THE NUMBER it is necessary to LOCAL SITS ... AUTHORITY, or rather, the POWERS OF THESE given to them in the field .....

      So let Putin and put them on the count. He has all the authority to do this. I will clap his hands first. In the meantime, only words.
      1. w.ebdo.g
        w.ebdo.g 20 November 2013 18: 18
        0
        Ingvar 72
        So let Putin and put them on the count. He has full authority for this.

        fear God, dear!
        where does the president have the power to put on a count)))
        are you joking?
        you adopted the constitution in 1993, you wrote in the constitution that the president has no right to interfere in the administration of the judiciary ...
        but for some reason they forgot to ban the president’s filth with mud.
        democracy, however!
  • demel2
    demel2 20 November 2013 08: 38
    +3
    First of all, we need to change .to force this power or any other to reckon and respect our own people. Everything that is happening now with this so-called power and a doubt of officials from disrespect to us and from impunity. And this will continue as long as we allow them.
  • Balamyt
    Balamyt 20 November 2013 08: 42
    +2
    Already sick of all these tips and commissions! Whatever to do, if only to do NOTHING! Create for any reason, and without it! And instead of real affairs, chewing snot!
  • DZ_98_B
    DZ_98_B 20 November 2013 08: 44
    +6
    And why is there no Serdyukov in the public council? With his experience ????? .... I would like to express a lot, but for some reason everything is obscene ?? !!!!!!!!
    1. bomg.77
      bomg.77 20 November 2013 09: 28
      +8
      Quote: DZ_98_B
      And why is there no Serdyukov in the public council? With his experience ?????

      But this is a sensible proposal)) I still need a secretary
      1. Oskar
        Oskar 20 November 2013 09: 42
        +3
        Putin is not enough, otherwise they would sing "about a dream come true" ... A good trio would come out, hmmm ...
        1. bomg.77
          bomg.77 20 November 2013 10: 32
          +3
          Quote: Oskar
          Putin isn’t enough
          Putin is not enough everywhere yes
        2. Yarosvet
          Yarosvet 20 November 2013 14: 52
          0
          Quote: Oskar
          Putin is not enough, otherwise they would sing "about a dream come true" ...
      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 20 November 2013 09: 44
        +2
        Quote: bomg.77
        But this is a sensible proposal)) I still need a secretary

        Why is Serdyukov in kirzach, is he not guilty?
        1. bomg.77
          bomg.77 20 November 2013 10: 29
          +2
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Why Serdyukov is in kirzach,
          They advice sounds more convincing))
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          is he not guilty?
          This is not even called into question
          laughing he was an eyewitness of how the secretaries were doing good, about which the investigator honestly told everything. laughing
      3. alone
        alone 20 November 2013 19: 12
        0
        Taburetkin had a good taste about his female battalion. wassat
  • Oskar
    Oskar 20 November 2013 08: 57
    +9
    "The president is not a person. This is a position. A function. And one should judge the president by how the function functions. To love the president as a person apart from his affairs or his non-doing is a mixture of servility and homosexuality. Otherwise, amateurs with the eyes of lapdogs and so they deftly move on their hind legs. We are not slaves ... And who? "
    M.I. Weller

    good good good
  • Zhzhuk
    Zhzhuk 20 November 2013 09: 13
    0
    In my opinion, the first article on this site where KOB is mentioned, for me, all the rules with officials are a mirror of the state of the people and the time in which we live, that’s really interesting, if you start implementing the Cob program in the education system, after 5 years in the country, there will be a platform from which you can choose worthy managers.
    To re-educate adults whose personality development was necessary in the 90s, it’s silly for me, even harsh punishments will only change the situation for a while, and it’s much easier and more effective to train young generations *
    With all the negativity associated with the image of an official, not everything is so bad, there are quite a few smart guys, just a favorite song of the media is negative (the method of inf war is to demoralize), it just makes me sick of whining, any "human rights activists".

    Here is an example, not long ago, the birth rate in Germany was considered the most powerful economy of the EU, for 80 million people 600-700 thousand children, in Ukraine where the demographic crisis gives birth to 520-550 thousand children with a population of 45 million people. So Germany is either at war or under occupation ...
    1. ivshubarin
      ivshubarin 20 November 2013 13: 05
      0
      Germany and so under the occupation of France, England, USA
  • Krasnoarmeec
    Krasnoarmeec 20 November 2013 09: 17
    +2
    Quote: calocha
    Putin is not stupid and understands that something needs to be done about it. Here, and the moment of truth for him ...


    Something somehow dragged on this moment of truth ..........
  • Mikado
    Mikado 20 November 2013 09: 45
    +2
    "Speaking about public councils, President Putin means the beginnings of people's participation in governing the country (so far a timid message to the formation of not declarative, but true democracy), through his involvement in the affairs of the state. The bureaucratic army has twisted everything by sending their associates to the Councils, providing the inviolability of the liberal boundlessness they create. "

    Yes, yes, there is no limit, my poor eyes. Author, you at least read Putin's statements about Kudrin, and then talked about the "betrayal of officials":

    "Alexei Leonidovich Kudrin never left my team, he is my old and very good friend. I will say that this is my friend," Putin said, answering live TV and radio, whether he would invite Kudrin to his team if elected president.

    The prime minister stressed that he understood the position that Kudrin took on many issues. At the same time, he admitted that he and the ex-minister have some differences in approaches. “But they are not of any fundamental nature,” Putin said.

    He said that only the day before yesterday he had met with Kudrin, talked with him "about the economic situation, about the future."

    The prime minister noted that Kudrin did a lot to strengthen the country's economy. “It is no accident that the international expert community twice recognized him as the best finance minister of the world. I’m proud that such a person worked in my government, ”Putin said.

    “People like Kudrin think globally, strategically, and look to the future. Such people, of course, are needed both in the current government and in the future, ”the head of government said. "There will be a place in the ranks," Putin said.

    Officials do what Putin tells them. For some reason, no Navalny is accepted in the councils. And here in the open, in front of everyone, including in front of Volodya's eyes, they accept the “wrong” on the council, yeah.
    1. kush62
      kush62 20 November 2013 13: 56
      +1
      The prime minister noted that Kudrin did a lot to strengthen the country's economy. “It is no accident that the international expert community twice recognized him as the best finance minister of the world. I’m proud that such a person worked in my government, ”Putin said.


      Says Putin. I wonder what he really thinks.
  • ism_ek
    ism_ek 20 November 2013 09: 51
    +5
    The author’s idea is harmful. Power must work with the people - what they are. Putin wants to extend the power vertical to a specific citizen. This is a utopia, in a thieving country it is not possible to build an honest vertical of power.
    When the President of Singapore was asked where to start the fight against corruption, he replied: "Start by putting three of your friends. You know exactly why, and they know why."
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 20 November 2013 11: 02
      +1
      Quote: ism_ek
      This is a utopia, in a thieving country it is not possible to build an honest vertical of power.

      What does the country have to do with it? The rules of the game are not written by us, by the authorities. And for Singapore you correctly noticed, it is a pity only that we do not adopt experience.
  • pahom54
    pahom54 20 November 2013 09: 54
    +1
    One and the same ... They wanted the best - they turned out as always ...
    I would like to remind you that the Ministry of Internal Affairs is a POWER department. And, although I do not like this structure, but the authorities need it, tell me, how is it to be understood that some public council will advise and direct the activities of the Ministry of Internal Affairs? Moreover, even without explanations from the author of the article, the most ardent human rights activists are guessed by the names of the members of this council. I have already said that the word "human rights activist" causes disgust and rejection in me - not because of the meaning of this word, but because of the realities that Russian human rights defenders have turned him into.
    In Russia there are problems with the Ministry of Internal Affairs, big problems, and then the Kudrins-Venediktovs-Zlatopolsky climb with their unclean paws and tongues ...
    37 m. Dacians are members of the Council; ETOGES how much labor! How much can you put railroad ties, sweep the streets (that's just their languages ​​come in handy)!
    All this is the core, these councils, invented them in order to get rid of the Western barking mongrels - here we are how democratized that even the cops are led by society.
    I can only say that I cannot rank any of the named members of this public council as a normal society, these are provocateurs of the first rank.
    Nah this council and its "members", the cops and without its advice and instructions "are being reformed, falling apart" - there is nowhere else.
    1. Stanislas
      Stanislas 20 November 2013 14: 15
      0
      Quote: pahom54
      council will advise and direct the activities of the Ministry of Internal Affairs
      1. The Council will not direct anyone anywhere.
      Quote: pahom54
      I cannot rank any of the named members of this public council as a normal society
      2. The council is, of course, patriots, smart and decent people (for example, N. Narochnitskaya). It would be wrong to say that all members of this council will work for the State Department, but those who work for the money of this American organization will have less time for sabotage in organizations that make decisions and produce something other than words. Some of those named specialize in finding all kinds of crap in our country and broad generalizations based on what they found. That's good: let them seek and disavow sewage in the Ministry of Internal Affairs. There are many honest and helpful people who do not need to be distracted from their main activity, where they can benefit people (even if they are laying the same sleepers that Alekseeva will definitely not put), otherwise you write that all these tips core, but you want to fill in them with people who have proven themselves to be honest and helpful; problem ...
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  • Normal
    Normal 20 November 2013 10: 26
    +7
    Great again! Again the Tsar is beautiful, but officials sabotage.
    What has Putin done during his rule? Just let's not "save the destruction of the oligarchs won!"
    Let's be without emotion;
    1. He built a power vertical.
    2. He completed the transition of the country's economy from a production model to a resource trade model. He personally punched and entered into contracts for the supply of gas abroad.
    3. He achieved certain successes in foreign policy.
    By and large - that's it!
    It turns out that Putin’s vertical power sabotages his good undertakings in domestic politics. That is, when it is necessary to drive resources to the West and the East, no one sabotages, when GDP does business in international politics, too (of course, there is no Putin’s vertical abroad - there’s no one to sabotage). But when it comes to Russia, there is immediately sabotage! Well, how else? For so many years, the President has not punished anyone, now Serdyukov is back in the civil service, Surkov is attached, and Kudrin is not far, Grefef, and G. Golikova.
    So maybe not sabotage all this? Maybe it was conceived? AND?
    1. Boris55
      20 November 2013 18: 31
      -1
      Quote: Normal
      1. He built a power vertical.

      As a result, he saved Russia from collapse. He brought the legislation of all (21) republics to the uniformity and supremacy of Russian law over republican ...
      Quote: Normal
      2. He completed the transition of the country's economy from a production model to a resource trade model. He personally punched and entered into contracts for the supply of gas abroad.

      By the beginning of the 2 thousandths, all the old economic ties of enterprises were destroyed as well as the enterprises themselves. Thanks, including to GAZprom, pensioners receive a pension, state employees receive a salary ...
      Quote: Normal
      3. He achieved certain successes in foreign policy.

      They began to reckon with Russia.

      Have you forgotten Tsar Yeltsin? Which of them is more beautiful?
      1. Yarosvet
        Yarosvet 20 November 2013 19: 45
        0
        Quote: Boris55
        As a result, he saved Russia from collapse. He brought the legislation of all (21) republics to the uniformity and supremacy of Russian law over republican ...
        What exactly was done and how?

        By the beginning of the 2 thousandths, all the old economic ties of enterprises were destroyed as well as the enterprises themselves
        Ay yay - all enterprises were destroyed laughing Then they still close ...

        Russia began to be reckoned with
        Boris - Do not you find that slogans without any specifics are not comme il faut?

        Have you forgotten Tsar Yeltsin? Which of them is more beautiful?
        Do you focus on homeless people in your career aspirations? Why not compare with the best?
        1. Boris55
          20 November 2013 21: 56
          -2
          Quote: Yarosvet
          What exactly was done and how?

          He led the legislation of all republics to the uniformity and supremacy of Russian law over republican ones. + power vertical, etc ...
          Quote: Yarosvet
          You in your career aspirations on the homeless are you oriented? Why not compare with the best?

          One thing pleases, though not directly, the recognition of the success of Putin’s policies.
          So you are still not completely lost to society laughing

          At the expense of the best - there is no limit to fantasy, you can strive for it, but it can hardly be overtaken.
          1. Yarosvet
            Yarosvet 20 November 2013 22: 35
            +1
            Quote: Boris55
            He led the legislation of all republics to the uniformity and supremacy of Russian law over republican
            How exactly - what is the mechanism? He assigned to each head of the Chekist subject with a barrel, or what did he do? He rewrote the normative acts of the republics, or what?


            Quote: Yarosvet
            One pleases, though not direct, but recognition of Putin’s policy success
            There is no recognition, you just fell in love with the concept of replacing and throwing empty slogans.
            With the same success, I can compare Medvedev with EBN - Medvedev will be better.

            At the expense of the best - there is no limit to fantasy, you can strive for it, but it can hardly be overtaken.
            Any comparison of achievements and trends is not in relation to intermediate values, but in relation to the maximum, and so ... Compare EBNya with the bloody Kolya - who is better? laughing
      2. Normal
        Normal 20 November 2013 21: 58
        +2
        Quote: Boris55
        saved Russia from collapse.


        This statement does not withstand clashes with reality.
        Putin did not save anything from the collapse, the policy of collapse was simply stopped. Stopped by Putin, no more than ... for example, Chubais, Berezovsky, Potanin, other oligarchs and then leaders of the West.

        Let's remember in what conditions the GDP came to power. In 1996, it was clear to everyone that EBN would not win the elections. The rating is zero, the country is out, the communists are on horseback. And then, like the devil, the already forgotten Chubais appears and a "miracle" happens. For some half a year, EBN's rating soars, he himself cheers up and becomes president for a second term.
        Rumor has it that Zyuganov won, but he got scared and did not go all the way, exchanging a restless presidency for a secure old age in the Duma. Not the point.
        The bottom line is that operation "Receiver" was already launched then. Perhaps VVP did not even know that he would be president at that time, but the process went on.

        The oligarchy made his bet.

        The oligarchs needed a man who after EBN will be the guarantor of their interests. Interests extended throughout the country and the oligarchs were not interested in the collapse of Russia. Judge for yourself. The Shaimievs, Ayatskovs and Rosseli were not at all going to let goats each into their garden. They wanted to graze there themselves. It is enough to recall how Luzhkov did not let Chubais go to Moscow. To negotiate with each head of the region separately is too troublesome, much easier when the formal owner is the only one in the whole territory.
        And so, big oligarchic capital is not interested in the further collapse of the country.

        People.

        There is actually nothing to write about. Everyone who wanted independence has already received it and even managed to understand what it is. In Russia and with Russia, those who could not imagine themselves outside a common country remained. The exception is Chechnya. But this topic is separate and for the whole article.
        And so, the population is against the further collapse of the country.

        World backstage.

        These gentlemen have already celebrated the victory. The USSR ceased to exist and there was no hope of restoration. But the West still needed Russia. And even more than before. The fact is that China has shown what it is capable of. The growth rate is crazy, the population is the most in the world, a single tough consistent leadership. What does China lack to become a world hegemon? minerals and energy resources. They are. Very close. In Russia. And if Russia falls apart completely, then China will swallow up the territory to the Urals in one sitting. All! The end of world hegemony of the West. Does he need this? Not.

        And so, no one is interested in further collapse. On the contrary, influential forces both within the country and beyond its borders need a united Russia, albeit weak but united. It is a fact.

        So we will not attribute the role of the savior of the Fatherland to the GDP. If not for objective historical processes, what would he not do.
        And in truth, everything that he did in Russia had to be done for the first presidential term. Further, only the strengthening of personal power and nothing more.
        1. Boris55
          20 November 2013 22: 11
          -3
          Quote: Normal
          Putin didn’t save anything from collapse, just been stopped collapse policy

          Who was stopped by? or did she stop by herself?
          Read my answer Yarosvet post above.
          1. Yarosvet
            Yarosvet 20 November 2013 22: 39
            +1
            Quote: Boris55
            or did she stop by herself?
            What is "collapse" in your understanding?

            Separation of 1-2 subjects - is it collapse, or separation? What do we have - half of the subjects tried to separate in order to talk about the collapse?
          2. Normal
            Normal 21 November 2013 01: 01
            +1
            Quote: Boris55
            Read my answer to Yarosvet post above.

            I read and what is the point?
            Quote: Boris55
            Who was stopped by? or did she stop by herself?

            In order not to ask stupid questions you need to read carefully
            Quote: Boris55
            Stopped by Putin, no more than ... for example, Chubais, Berezovsky, Potanin, other oligarchs and then leaders of the West.
            ....
            The oligarchs needed a man who after EBN will be the guarantor of their interests. Interests extended throughout the country and the oligarchs were not interested in the collapse of Russia.
            ....
            Everyone who wanted independence has already received it and even managed to understand what it is. In Russia and with Russia, those who could not imagine themselves outside a common country remained.
            ....
            . But the West still needed Russia. And even more than before. The fact is that China has shown what it is capable of. influential forces both inside and outside the country need a united Russia, albeit weak but united.This is a fact.

            And even better, to understand the objective, natural processes and subjective actions of groups of people in their own selfish interests. The interaction of these quantities. The penetration of one into another, the use of the first in the interests of the second. The mechanism of political struggle, the technology of seizing and retaining power must be imagined, at least in the most general terms.
            You are expressed in slogans, most likely, you think with cliches and propaganda cliches.
            For yourself, make a picture of what happened in your head and try to look at it critically, from the side.
            Maybe then you will understand what I wrote and you will not ask SUCH questions.
  • Sergey Medvedev
    Sergey Medvedev 20 November 2013 11: 38
    +2
    Quote: Santor
    We will wait on December 12, when the GDP is to make a statement just about the Constitution of the Russian Federation.

    Tired of waiting. we’ve been waiting since 1999, we can’t wait, and we will never wait from Putin. 14 years is not enough to draw conclusions? Look who in the public council at the Ministry of Internal Affairs is the marsh liberals. Does Kolokoltsov have the audacity to sabotage Putin ?! He’s not a Biryulevsky district police officer. He is very close to Putin. Or is he deliberately provoking the All-Russian Biryulevo?
  • shtanko.49
    shtanko.49 20 November 2013 11: 50
    0
    Quote: Oskar
    As relevant as possible:
    "Where, show us the fatherland fathers? Which we should take for models? Aren't they these ?! They are rich in robbery, they found protection from the court in friends, in kinship, magnificent building chambers where they spill in feasts and extravagance !!!"
    A.S. Griboedov

    From what they left in 1917, to that they returned ...

    Will have to return again in 1917.
    1. ivshubarin
      ivshubarin 20 November 2013 13: 07
      +1
      I watch so many civil war lovers
  • dmb
    dmb 20 November 2013 12: 11
    +3
    The Russian proverb: "simplicity is worse than theft" is the most applicable expression to evaluate an article. The author and his associates contradict himself. He writes that Kolokoltsev needs public advice like a balalaika hare, and at the same time hints that it was the Minister, in spite of the wise Guarantor, who stuffed all kinds of evil spirits there. Let's try to take the thesis about the wisdom of the Guarantor at face value and, replacing the evil spirits with the full composition of the Izborsk club, think about what will happen next. And actually nothing will happen. I think that the leadership of the Ministry of Internal Affairs will be smart enough not to report to this Council the results of operational developments, plans for operations to eliminate bandit groups and lists of agents still remaining. All this has already happened; and human rights activist Kovalev, popularly called just a nit, climbed the SVR, and the Moscow police department was led by the democrat-biologist Murashev. As a result of this "simplicity", theft actually flourished, for the sake of decency called corruption. After all, no one really can really explain why this Council is needed. in addition to the nonsense, which is written in the Regulations about him.
  • Allex_B
    Allex_B 20 November 2013 12: 22
    +4
    Bad is the commander whose orders are not executed! So you need to change something !!!
    1. Oskar
      Oskar 20 November 2013 18: 12
      +1
      Not something, but someone. The commander, apparently.
  • krasavchik
    krasavchik 20 November 2013 12: 49
    +3
    Of course, of course, you need to repeat these mantras more often: "the king is good, the boyars are bad" ...
    Former Minister of Defense of Russia Anatoly Serdyukov, who, as it turned out the other day, had been employed by the head of the Federal Research Testing Center for Mechanical Engineering (JSC "FIITsM") since November 1, since his appointment he has visited a new place of work several times, examined the abandoned training ground of the his team and made the first appointments.

    According to employees, Serdyukov arrived in a black Mercedes S-class with flashing lights and tinted windows, accompanied by two guards on a black Audi A8, RIA Novosti reports.
  • griny07-56
    griny07-56 20 November 2013 12: 57
    +2
    The president needs to start with his inner circle. He hangs out with all the former ministers. He is far from effective and cannot part with them (the same A. Kudrin, T. Golikova, E. Nabiulina, V. Khristenko and many others, but why rearrange them - let them go to businessmen for free bread! And the question of a corporate agreement with D. Medvedev on the separation of powers is simply killing. Medvedev is absolutely not pulling in the role of the Head of Government, the country's economy is falling into the abyss - complete stagnation, there is only one way for the extras from the government to tear the skin of his people through rising prices for everything and all .. Sound, reasonable, constructive thoughts, ideas, suggestions for bringing the Russian economy to growth, just NO !!! But the ineffective near-by Government continues to stir up. We need an effective powerful breakthrough team - even schoolchildren understand this, but the mediocre Government continues to chew snot We need a leader in the Government to match Sergei Yulievich Witte, Pyotr Arkadyevich Stolypin, Andrei Nikolayevich Kosygin, and finally Yevgeny Maksimovich Primakov! But things are still there, and the economy does not forgive this, the negative situation is growing! In resolving all kinds of issues, the President in our Russia must clearly formulate the tasks to the end, so that everyone and everything is clear! We have such bureaucrats the slightest tricks, they will use it to their advantage. This is the question of all kinds of commissions and committees. Gentlemen must think. Otherwise, life will be even worse !!! Gregory - fourth-generation Petersburger
    1. Oskar
      Oskar 20 November 2013 13: 16
      +3
      He hangs out all the former ministers
      The deck is just speckled!))
    2. Stanislas
      Stanislas 20 November 2013 14: 47
      +1
      Quote: griny07-56
      let them go on free bread to businessmen
      With their connections among senior officials? To you, the level of corruption seems too low
  • Norady
    Norady 20 November 2013 13: 34
    +1
    Quote: Mitek
    Quote: mak210
    Minus? I understood everything - as if the "Nashists" are trying.

    When will you calm down with the "Nashists"? Nobody calls you a State Department official? People have different views, that's all. There is no creative class on this site, there are people who served in the Army, working in real production and not sitting in offices and selling various crap. And these people are mostly adults who remember the times of Yeltsin and Gorby. And these people can compare what was then and what is now. That is why there are no yells about the fact that "everything is bad", as young sellers yell on other resources. We have enough bad, but also a lot of good. Although for me the GDP, despite its excellent foreign policy, behaves like an enemy in the domestic one.


    read please
    http://patriotka.livejournal.com/62005.html
  • kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 20 November 2013 14: 12
    0
    Doesn't this remind you of a "trap for cockroaches"! Cram them to the "eyeballs" and then go to the trash heap "with a clear conscience"! It's better to let them shit in plain sight than on the sly in the corners, it is easier to carry out a "cleanup"!
  • Samsebenaum
    Samsebenaum 20 November 2013 14: 35
    +2
    I have a double impression of the article.
    At first, something that is not even in doubt for me.
    This is an excessive amount of advice and commissions with a huge number of people and ideas, but which essentially do not solve anything. They sit out their pants and imitate violent activity (IDB).
    The fact that the number of officials of all stripes is beyond reason, one of the reasons causing corruption is a well-known fact.
    What I categorically disagree with is the desire to show GDP as a kind of victim suffering from a system created and nourished by his own hand. This is his brainchild. From this monster, in the first place, ordinary people suffer. So who is sorry ...
    And what is our Guarantor. He has the authority to solve many problems and tasks.
    This is comparable to the rights of a captain on a ship, a pilot on an airplane ... He makes decisions. He is responsible for them.
    Let us recall how Stalin solved problems with saboteurs ... or from modern ones, Lukashenko.
    And do not wipe the snot and shield the chosen one. This will not help. Let him fix the situation.
    Like Gogol: "I gave birth to you, I will kill you."
    1. Ascetic
      Ascetic 20 November 2013 22: 17
      +1
      Quote: Samsebenum
      And what is our Guarantor. He has the authority to solve many problems and tasks.
      This is comparable to the rights of a captain on a ship, a pilot on an airplane ... He makes decisions. He is responsible for them.


      Today, Putin, at a meeting with non-parliamentary parties, was offered, for example, to review the results of collateral auctions, that is, to nationalize the main strategic enterprises. Putin replied that we have a law on nationalization, but it provides for the payment of huge compensation to the owners. And it turns out that we will pay them twice once, transferring almost free of charge the property in the 90s and the second time by paying the real value of assets from the budget. Is it possible to change the law? You can select for free, BUT then the owner go to court in accordance with international law. And then we read the Constitution of the Russian Federation, article 15
      4. Generally recognized principles and norms of international law and international treaties of the Russian Federation are part of its legal system. If other rules are established by an international treaty of the Russian Federation than are provided for by law, then the rules of the international treaty shall apply.

      Any ECHR recognizes such a law as a violation of the rights of the owner and the person and the universally recognized norms of international law that apply to Russia and the Russian Federation will be subject to any international sanctions. But Prokhorov, who took second place after Putin for a second and, in theory, turns out to be an alternative to him, was only concerned at the meeting with land reform (the essence of which was not voiced) and the fate of his protege governor Yaroslavl Urlashov equated the detainee for bribes with political prisoners . Typical kagalnaya psychology of the neoliberal Bolsheviks ... Do you want them again under the sauce of Stalinist restoring order? The revolutionaries are shitty ... They'll hang you on the neck again and again remember Putin more than once ..
      1. Yarosvet
        Yarosvet 20 November 2013 22: 56
        +2
        Quote: Ascetic
        Today, Putin, at a meeting with non-parliamentary parties, was offered, for example, to review the results of collateral auctions, that is, to nationalize the main strategic enterprises.

        If "reevaluation" is nationalization, then "bald" is definitely hair color.

        Putin replied that we have a law on nationalization, but it provides for the payment of huge compensation to the owners. And it turns out that we will pay them twice once, transferring almost free of charge the property in the 90s and the second time by paying the real value of assets from the budget
        How interesting ... But it’s nothing that privatization took place with such violations that it is purely legally illegal, and therefore it can be recognized as null and void (a legal concept is laughing)?

        Any ECHR recognizes such a law as a violation of the rights of the owner and the person and the universally recognized norms of international law that apply to Russia
        1 Distributed only if the Russian Federation has ratified the relevant standards.
        2 All claims are redirected to the preliminary owner of the asset.

        the psychology of the neoliberal Bolsheviks ...
        Just a schizophrenic phrase laughing

        Do you want them again under the sauce of Stalin's tidying up?
        For the time being, Vova is hiding in this sauce.
      2. Normal
        Normal 21 November 2013 01: 24
        +2
        Quote: Ascetic
        The revolutionaries are bad.

        Well, how much will you lie, Ascetic? Where and when did you see at me, Yarosvet or Samsebenaume calls for the violent overthrow of power, revolution? Quote to the studio, Ascetic!
        How great you know how to breed demagogy. First you attribute your fabrications to us, then on these insignificant grounds you bring charges.
        And of course this masterpiece: "the neoliberal Bolsheviks." Bravo Ascetic! Bravo! You have transcended yourself.
        I have not heard such a subtle twist.
  • Boris55
    20 November 2013 14: 57
    +2
    Quote: Samsebenum
    I have a double impression of the article.


    Under Stalin, we had our own bank and our own printing press ...

    Tell me, do you receive money for a plastic card? Guess why your last name is not written in Russian letters on it? (in Russia, the official language is Russian, not English)

    If the Washington Regional Committee does not like something in the actions of the authorities, they will block all our cards with one click of a button. What will happen next? Yes, from hunger, we will take any power ...
  • Yarosvet
    Yarosvet 20 November 2013 15: 32
    -1
    The author is a crawl out of KOBA, and that’s it ...
  • Boris55
    20 November 2013 15: 56
    0
    Quote: Yarosvet
    Posted by crawl out of KOBA, and that's it...

    And you mean creep out of the humanoids? You have no idea why all the parties register except KPI?

  • mountain
    mountain 20 November 2013 18: 53
    0
    I would advise you all warriors to read their own constitution from cover to cover. Well, if the tyma is not enough to reach the truth yourself, grind with a legal specialist. And to spit in a well from which you don’t feel like drinking, is not smart. It may happen that it is your children who will swallow, your drooling.
    1. Boris55
      20 November 2013 19: 10
      0
      Quote: mountain
      I wish you all warriors advised ...

      And why is it so disrespectful to the defenders of the motherland?
      And why so sure that they did not read the basic law of the state?



      Who are the authors of the Constitution?
      Russians, suckers, do not engage in politics. Politics is a dirty business. We ourselves will decide how to US, not you, but US is better to live.



      According to Viktor Sheinis, one of the authors of the Constitution of Russia, chief researcher at the Institute of World Economy and International Relations of the Russian Academy of Sciences, the “presidential draft” of the Constitution was created under the auspices of three people, Sergey Sergeyevich Alekseev, Anatoly Alexandrovich Sobchak and Sergey Mikhailovich Shakhray, they were leaders in the process, but in all, more than 800 participants participated in the Constitutional Conference, and various lawyers worked. Sergey Shakhrai distinguishes two main authors of the constitution - himself and Sergey Alekseev. As a result of joint work, a new unified draft of the Constitution of Russia was developed, which was subsequently put forward by the President of Russia for a popular vote (in fact - for a referendum), and became the current Constitution of the Russian Federation as a result of the vote held on December 12 1993.

  • sasska
    sasska 20 November 2013 20: 43
    +2
    “To beat, to beat, to beat in mortal combat!”
    and a sensible thought, though expressed a long time ago.
  • studentmati
    studentmati 20 November 2013 22: 45
    0
    Alexei Kudrin, former Minister of Finance of Russia, is included in the list of members of the Public Council under the Ministry of Internal Affairs

    The public council in its mission structure is right and necessary! But!!! in modern Russia, such structures are created exclusively for new forms of enrichment of officials by old age or the uselessness of renounced power!

    PS I answer for my words!

    The public council should include, first of all, people who have not spotted themselves in anything. Although, what am I talking about, with modern methods of "dry cleaning"?