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The GLONASS system will be tested for suitability for war

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The GLONASS system will be tested for suitability for war

According to the publication, the test complex will consist of a special chamber, in which 24 GLONASS signal simulator antennas will be installed, connected to a repeater of real satellite signals, six jammer antennas and a rotary stand for movement simulation aviation receivers.


The complex will be able to isolate the receiver from all types of electromagnetic radiation and thus ensure a clean experiment. The signal stability will be tested when using the receiver in the conditions of using electronic warfare, both in a fixed position and with flight simulation at an altitude of up to 10 thousand km at a speed of up to 40 thousand km / h.

“The simulator is created in order to understand how the GLONASS signals will be extinguished by the impact of noise in the event of war — they imitate the circumstances when the GLONASS signal may be unavailable in combat conditions. The goal of the work will be to make proposals either to change the modulation frequency or to encode the signal, ”an employee of the defense industry enterprise told the publication. According to him, according to the results of tests, the main proposals for improving the GLONASS receivers may concern the correction of the antenna tune-up from radio noise, as a result of which the noise component will be excluded from the mixed signal.

The Ministry of Defense has already allocated X million rubles from the federal budget for the creation of a test complex of the Ministry of Defense. 350 November, 25, the customer will need to get a finished prototype test bench.

Currently, the GLONASS system is operated by 29 spacecraft. The average lifetime of a satellite is seven years. The nine satellites currently in orbit will need to be changed in the next two years. The global navigation satellite system was developed by Soviet scientists by order of the USSR Ministry of Defense. This is one of the two currently operating global satellite navigation systems.
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  1. Same lech
    Same lech 19 November 2013 09: 59 New
    +3
    it would be necessary to test for accuracy whether or not a missile hits SAAKASHVILI — what is the radius of dispersion, preferably a radius of one two meters.
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      1. Letterksi
        Letterksi 19 November 2013 11: 08 New
        +4
        Yes, yes he does, he sits Nabiulina to the post of head of the National Assembly, instead of his nationalization. Which continues to further push the ruble mass in the country. And Serdyukov again on the state. position planted. And Ulyukaev is only worth it. RAS sentenced him with his signature. At the same time, convincing everyone of the need for its reform. I didn’t even bother to understand where the RAS document came from, because the Minister of Education and Science refused authorship

        And do not say that the boyars are to blame. If he hangs medals on his chest for all the "state. Merit", then there is no point in giving up anti-medals. And how merit means GDP, how harm means boyars
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          1. Grbear
            Grbear 19 November 2013 12: 01 New
            +5
            Not very respected w.ebdo.g.

            Do you yourself analyze what you post?
            Yes, if In 2000 it was 8%, then you would now have nothing to press Ctrl + C on, a loaf of bread was worth it, I don’t know how much. In those days, everyone was only selling, not working.

            And the topic, in fact, is about GLONASS. fool
        2. nickname 1 and 2
          nickname 1 and 2 19 November 2013 12: 14 New
          +3
          Quote: LetterKsi
          And then, as merit, means GDP, as harm, so boyars



          But it should be like that = And then as a merit, it means Letterksi = both harm Putin wink
      2. zart_arn
        zart_arn 19 November 2013 11: 45 New
        0
        And as soon as Putin won the war with Georgia (which he did), by which he confirmed his unbending position - the stakes went down again, although he remained the prime minister ...

        As it is already painfully familiar: "Long live comrade ....!" Humanity has more than once undergone idolatry.
    2. silver_roman
      silver_roman 19 November 2013 11: 45 New
      +1
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      what is the radius of scatter

      the radius of the scatter of whom: fragments of a rocket or the remains of a teddy bear saak ??? request
      1. Evgenij.
        Evgenij. 28 November 2013 19: 10 New
        0
        I think that from a rocket that can take advantage of GLONASS data there are no fragments left, only sand is glassy
    3. SEM
      SEM 19 November 2013 12: 31 New
      +5
      I think, since the system was created back in the USSR, it will fall right under the "tail" of the enemy, let it fly)))
      1. studentmati
        studentmati 19 November 2013 22: 31 New
        +3
        Quote: SEM
        I think, since the system was created under the USSR ...


        In the Soviet Union (which by that time had already managed to order a long life), a really combat-ready grouping of the Uragan spacecraft was created, created on the domestic element base. good NOTE that even after the liquidation of the USSR, the group was deployed to its full strength! But, unfortunately, not for long ... sad Yes, the service life and reliability of these devices should have been higher. The next generation "Glonass-M" was already based on the French element base. What are we going to test? French developments? fool
    4. Corsair
      Corsair 19 November 2013 12: 43 New
      0
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      it would be necessary to test for accuracy whether or not a missile hits SAAKASHVILI — what is the radius of dispersion, preferably a radius of one two meters.

      Yes, leave Mishiko to the Georgians, they, as the latest news show, will not give him a chance ...

      Is that run away, a parasite ... Toda, YES, Mona and test and hit!
    5. alexng
      alexng 19 November 2013 13: 50 New
      +1
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      it would be necessary to test for accuracy whether or not a missile hits SAAKASHVILI — what is the radius of dispersion, preferably a radius of one two meters.


      Then it will no longer be a navigator, but a "nafigator". laughing
    6. favn
      favn 19 November 2013 16: 27 New
      0
      The radius of the scattering of the remains after hitting? laughing
  2. Ihrek
    Ihrek 19 November 2013 10: 00 New
    +3
    There is no way in a possible modern war without this.
  3. i_vam_ne_hvoratj
    i_vam_ne_hvoratj 19 November 2013 10: 02 New
    +2
    Too shy to ask ... Will Mr. Serdyukov test ???
    1. Onyx
      Onyx 19 November 2013 10: 21 New
      0
      Quote: i_vam_ne_hvoratj
      Too shy to ask ... Will Mr. Serdyukov test ???

      Yes
      1. i_vam_ne_hvoratj
        i_vam_ne_hvoratj 19 November 2013 10: 32 New
        +1
        I agree. This one can ...
    2. Stiletto
      Stiletto 19 November 2013 10: 43 New
      +5
      Quote: i_vam_ne_hvoratj
      Too shy to ask ... Will Mr. Serdyukov test ???



      Give this will, not only Glonass, and the American GPS-group at a lower price will be sold to the Martians. At the same time, despite the live signatures on the documents, the guy, as usual, will be out of business ...
    3. Ezhaak
      Ezhaak 19 November 2013 11: 18 New
      +2
      Quote: i_vam_ne_hvoratj
      Will Mr. Serdyukov test?

      He will test the armored cars, To undermine, fall from the mountain, drowning in water. If he got out of the fraud with sales, then he will survive here. Do not worry about him. He is tenacious.
      1. ia-ai00
        ia-ai00 19 November 2013 12: 13 New
        +1
        Or maybe put a suderk in this ARMOR, and control it (armored car) REMOTE ???, especially - "falling from a mountain", well, you can also "in a reservoir", I think one WATER is enough ...
        1. PSih2097
          PSih2097 19 November 2013 14: 43 New
          +1
          Quote: ia-ai00
          Or maybe put a suderk in this ARMOR, and control it (armored car) REMOTE ???, especially - "falling from a mountain", well, you can also "in a reservoir", I think one WATER is enough ...

          What for? Check for undermining by NATO standards ... Well, or something like the TM-83 type and for control from the KPVT, fire at 50 meters so.
        2. old rocket man
          old rocket man 19 November 2013 20: 13 New
          +2
          Quote: ia-ai00
          Or maybe put a suderk in this ARMOR, and control it (armored car) REMOTE ???, especially - "falling from a mountain", well, you can also "in a reservoir", I think one WATER is enough ...

          Not enough, it does not sink laughing
      2. Vadivak
        Vadivak 19 November 2013 20: 59 New
        +5
        Quote: Hedgehog
        He will test armored cars,


        Well, you, he’s not some kind of savage Chinese, it’s a Russian OFFICER

        During the fire tests of the Tiger armored car, Shaanxi Baoji Special Vehicles Manufacturing CEO Wang Bao Ho was in the car.
        1. APASUS
          APASUS 19 November 2013 21: 18 New
          +1
          Quote: Vadivak
          During the fire tests of the Tiger armored car, Shaanxi Baoji Special Vehicles Manufacturing CEO Wang Bao Ho was in the car.

          Brave Chinese!
          It's time for our directors to train slowly, especially those who supply plastic helmets, rag body armor.
          1. alone
            alone 19 November 2013 21: 20 New
            +1
            Quote: APASUS
            Brave Chinese!
            It's time for our directors to train slowly, especially those who supply plastic helmets, rag body armor.


            I think there will be a scent in the pants impose from fear !!
          2. Vadivak
            Vadivak 19 November 2013 21: 23 New
            +1
            Quote: APASUS
            Brave Chinese!


            I don’t argue, but we would be called either a fool or a careerist.
        2. SSR
          SSR 19 November 2013 23: 01 New
          0
          Really? Or an Internet banter?
          1. Vadivak
            Vadivak 20 November 2013 08: 55 New
            +1
            Quote: SSR
            Really? Or an Internet banter?


            Really look in the search engine.
    4. F117
      F117 19 November 2013 22: 22 New
      0
      I offer him to the post of living target
  4. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 19 November 2013 10: 06 New
    +9
    The global navigation satellite system was developed by Soviet scientists by order of the USSR Ministry of Defense.
    How many years have passed ... A powerful scientific and technical foundation was laid during the USSR. We all use it!
    1. Evgeniy46
      Evgeniy46 19 November 2013 10: 41 New
      +3
      But only in the 90s, consider it was not. And in the 2000s she was de facto re-created under the old name
    2. sub307
      sub307 19 November 2013 15: 19 New
      +1
      "A powerful scientific and technical foundation was laid under the USSR." Well, well, yes, it becomes clear that the aforementioned "foundation" did not materialize at the moment of "Aurora's shot", but still "somewhat earlier. In the Russian Empire," approximately. "And, what we use is good, not to" throw away " And so enough “scattered.” And the presence of an OWN global navigation system for OWN weapons systems is probably of critical importance.
      1. alicante11
        alicante11 19 November 2013 15: 47 New
        -1
        No, that you, not at the moment of the Aurora shot, but at the moment of the appearance of the first apes in the territory of the former USSR. The Russian Empire dried everything that it could.
        1. ivshubarin
          ivshubarin 19 November 2013 15: 50 New
          +1
          What dried RI?
  5. Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 19 November 2013 10: 10 New
    0
    Due to the fact that the space navigation system (SPS) GLONASS (like GPS) to obtain navigation information using noise-like signals, the challenge of creating test benches is a challenge. In the middle of 80, similar checks were carried out. They showed low noise immunity of the SSC, despite the fact that single-channel equipment was tested. Currently, multichannel airborne equipment is used. whose noise immunity is even lower.
    1. mirag2
      mirag2 19 November 2013 10: 25 New
      -24 qualifying.
      Really? Nakoy such a shnyaga needed then?
      is it any better than gps, or just that ours?
      1. Grandson of Veteran
        Grandson of Veteran 19 November 2013 10: 38 New
        14
        This shnyaga, as you put it, is better precisely because she is ours. That is, in real combat conditions we will not be denied access to it and our warships (planes, missiles, etc.) will be guided by OUR satellites, and not by compass and stars!
        1. ivshubarin
          ivshubarin 19 November 2013 10: 51 New
          +4
          There are no hopes for Amer therefore Europe and China create their own
          1. poquello
            poquello 19 November 2013 22: 55 New
            +1
            Quote: ivshubarin
            There are no hopes for Amer therefore Europe and China create their own

            "The CIA and the Pentagon are trying to persuade the US State Department not to give Roscosmos permission to build several Glonass measuring stations on American soil because of fears that they could be used for military purposes."

            Read on: http://www.vedomosti.ru/politics/news/18866501/cru-i-pentagon-protiv-stroitelstv
            a-stancij-glonass-v-ssha # ixzz2l7Rs5FI9

            cool, despite the fact that in our territory there are a couple of dozen
        2. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 19 November 2013 19: 59 New
          +5
          Quote: Veteran's grandson
          in real combat conditions we will not be denied access to it and our warships (planes, missiles, etc.) will be guided by OUR satellites, and not by compass and stars!

          You cannot be 100% sure that "they will not close access", therefore our ships (I say with confidence, because I did it myself at one time) were obliged to determine up to 30% of their locations by autonomous sources of navigation information, such as: the Sun, stars, bottom topography and other delights. Although at that time an AES-n was hanging in orbit, and it was possible to get a place with an accuracy of 10 m, moreover, immediately in geographic coordinates. (called "Greetings from Jenibekov" - our cosmonaut, who was in orbit at that time). Today's youth, "spoiled by progress", cannot "plant" neither the alignment of the sextant nor the sun on the horizon without error. So without RTSN, not a step. Is that bad. On the Northern Fleet, during the war, a submarine was blown up by a mine, only one doctor survived from the officers, who managed to bring her to the base, determined by the Sun. This is how our grandfathers prepared for war.
      2. silver_roman
        silver_roman 19 November 2013 11: 49 New
        +5
        There is evidence that on 08.08.08 the Americans cut off to us NAVSTAR, after which our systems and complexes were left without satellite navigation and all its advantages.
        1. studentmati
          studentmati 19 November 2013 22: 42 New
          0
          Quote: silver_roman
          There is evidence that on 08.08.08 the Americans cut off to us NAVSTAR, after which our systems and complexes were left without satellite navigation and all its advantages.


          The main thing is that "Voevoda" is on the national astronavigation.
      3. zennon
        zennon 19 November 2013 21: 31 New
        +2
        is it any better than gps, or just that ours?

        Better because it does not require adjustments of satellites during operation. Our, unlike Matrasov, is not tied to the rotation of the earth. Worse is the short service life of the spacecraft. The declared (precisely declared, and not real!) - 7 years. This is our eternal disease. fly many times more. Landsat 5 was launched on March 1, 1984. It is working correctly to this day. The space satellite Voyager-1 crossed the border of the solar system and became the first object to go out into interstellar space. It flew back in 1977 together with "colleague" of Voyager-2. The purpose of their launch was to study Jupiter and Saturn, and the actual first high-quality photographs of these planets were taken with these devices. However, after completing the initial tasks, the satellites were redirected to different parts of the heliosphere. For 35 years, Voyager-1 managed to cover 18 billion km. Now its speed is -10 km / s. The satellite still regularly sends radio waves to Earth every day, which, due to the huge distance, arrive with a 16-hour delay. It records human speech in 55 languages, the voices of birds and animals, the noise of the surf , wind and rain, music by Bach, Mozart and Louis Armstrong. The generators of the probe are designed for uninterrupted operation until 2020. I hate amers, but I recognize their achievements. I was envious ...
  6. ZU-23
    ZU-23 19 November 2013 10: 22 New
    +4
    We are waiting for a positive result about the test of improving the protection of GONASS.
    1. mirag2
      mirag2 19 November 2013 10: 27 New
      -11 qualifying.
      But why wait, if it is already knowingly worse, right?
  7. Andrey Peter
    Andrey Peter 19 November 2013 10: 37 New
    -5
    Quote: i_vam_ne_hvoratj
    Too shy to ask ... Will Mr. Serdyukov test ???

    No. Will test accuracy on Serdyukov laughing
  8. erased
    erased 19 November 2013 10: 44 New
    0
    Of course, the very idea of ​​creating a navigation system is true. The quality would still be consistent. But for that they check.
    I don’t understand one thing, why they called the GLONASS system, and not GNSS? Indeed, that is what the abbreviation sounds like. Or the RKNS path there - the Russian space navigation system.
    Or is everyone chasing the States so that the name is sonorous? ..
    1. askort154
      askort154 19 November 2013 11: 50 New
      +3
      erased .. One I don’t understand why they called the GLONASS system, and not GNSS? Indeed, that is what the abbreviation sounds like ...

      In Russian, the abbreviation of some consonant letters is difficult by ear, "dry" and poorly remembered, so vowels are added.
    2. Ascetic
      Ascetic 19 November 2013 21: 12 New
      +1
      Quote: erased
      Indeed, that is what the abbreviation sounds like. Or the RKNS path there - the Russian space navigation system.
      Or is everyone chasing the States so that the name is sonorous? ..


      sometimes jokingly translated like this - "in the Deaf Forest Take us Susanin" smile
  9. askort154
    askort154 19 November 2013 10: 53 New
    +2
    Andrey Peter. Quote ... No. Accuracy will be tested at Serdyukov.

    ALL FORGET ABOUT SERDYUKOV! He was already attached, and his passion has completely "grown bolder", not only gives interviews, but begins to "run into" the Investigative Committee (under the dictation of his lawyers). So, this is not "37" for you, sleep well.
  10. Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 19 November 2013 11: 03 New
    +2
    The parameters and noise immunity of GLONASS and GPC are completely analogous. The Americans have widely and successfully used GPS against Arab countries that do not have countermeasures. Given the type of signal used in the CNS, the problem of noise immunity, this is a problem for America and for us
  11. crambol
    crambol 19 November 2013 11: 18 New
    +3
    Quote: w.ebdo.g
    Refinancing rates of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation

    Kind! An article on a different topic. I am more interested in GLONASS, rather than refinancing rates and the weather in Muhoshor..sk.
  12. individual
    individual 19 November 2013 11: 19 New
    +6
    The creation of GLONAS is a long road in the "dunes".
    But this system or the like is necessary to create an independent electronic governance structure for the modern internal Russian world.
    The next step should be to create your own Russian "RUNET" closed from the world wide web.
    These innovations will be an incentive for the development of a new, high-quality stage of domestic electronics and software for its microelectronics.
    This is the future.
    1. silver_roman
      silver_roman 19 November 2013 11: 52 New
      +1
      Quote: individ
      inner Russian world

      and external too ;-)

      Quote: individ
      The next step should be to create your own Russian "RUNET" closed from the world wide web.

      it would be desirable to combine these steps in the light of recent events.
  13. Silverstoun
    Silverstoun 19 November 2013 11: 33 New
    +4
    It’s high time, it seems to me, or the main function of glonas is the loss of military communications !?
    1. sanyabasik
      sanyabasik 19 November 2013 11: 58 New
      -8
      Quote: Silverstoun
      It’s high time, it seems to me, or the main function of glonas is the loss of military communications !?


      providing kickbacks to officials
  14. Bort radist
    Bort radist 19 November 2013 11: 58 New
    +3
    Quote: Silverstoun
    military communications !?

    Everything else is secondary.
  15. Grbear
    Grbear 19 November 2013 12: 15 New
    +1
    I don’t know whether to rejoice or not.

    It is not very clear why a full-scale test bench is made after, and not before. So there are practically models or prototypes in space? The cart is ahead of the horse !? I suspect that the situation has begun to be rectified, but a lot of money has already been "buried". And there is nothing to boast about. IMHO. hi
    1. alexng
      alexng 19 November 2013 14: 05 New
      +2
      Just the hardware component remains unchanged, but the software component may change. In modern conditions, mathematics filters the signal from interference. Even in Soviet times, my former teacher at the institute could mathematically isolate a signal with a signal-to-noise ratio of 1 / 1000. And on the basis of these calculations, he created a working hardware model. And now there are much more opportunities in this regard.
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  16. svp67
    svp67 19 November 2013 12: 24 New
    0
    The GLONASS system will be tested for suitability for war
    They built, they built, and FINALLY decided to check, but it's better LATE than NEVER ...
    1. Algor73
      Algor73 19 November 2013 12: 43 New
      +1
      Well, why is it too late? Just in time. GLONASS has not yet reached full capacity, and just need to check, identify and eliminate the shortcomings. And if a war begins with such powers as the United States, GLONASS will not save Russia either, nor their GPS Americans. And in local wars, or in wars not with such large countries, in the development of space weapons, just right.
  17. scientist
    scientist 19 November 2013 12: 33 New
    +6
    The Ministry of Defense has already allocated 350 million rubles from the federal budget to create a test complex. November 25, 2017 the customer will have to receive a completed prototype of the test bench

    This is another money laundering. The structure and parameters of the GLONASS signals are known, the coding on civilian on f1 is even known, the coding f2 and f3 of military frequencies is closed and changes periodically, but the parameters are known and constant, namely the modulation parameters determine the noise immunity by 80%, + 20% is the encoding algorithm. Therefore, without any problems, it is possible to calculate the power of barrage and simulation interference for the desired suppression zone. As experience shows, the error of such analytical calculations is not more than 20%.
    Suppose a test bench is needed to test the stability of new modulation and coding methods. But there is a theory of error-correcting coding! It has long been proven, tested and successfully applied throughout the world. What bike is going to be invented by the Ministry of Defense?
    If you want to increase the noise immunity of the signal, expand its spectrum as much as your equipment allows, enter the code redundancy, naturally at the expense of the information transfer speed, in the worst case, for critical tasks, you can put additional antennas on the receivers for spatial signal selection. All this was known 100 years ago.
    1. tchoni
      tchoni 22 November 2013 10: 36 New
      0
      I'm afraid this will not help. The real way to deal with interference is to physically eliminate the source of the interference.
      Because no matter how much spectrum you expand, how much redundancy you don’t introduce, it’s easier to crush than transmit (any part of the equipment on the satellite is therefore a very strict power limit. But it’s real to identify the signal structure and put a simulated noise of 2-3 times more power). And for a digital channel, transmission accuracy is the cornerstone.
  18. Bashkaus
    Bashkaus 19 November 2013 12: 35 New
    +6
    Of course, this is all good, but no one has yet canceled the compass, azimuth, and correction for north declination)))
    1. studentmati
      studentmati 19 November 2013 22: 45 New
      +1
      Quote: Bashkaus
      Of course, this is all good, but no one has yet canceled the compass, azimuth, and correction for north declination)))


      Very true statement! good drinks
  19. Genur
    Genur 19 November 2013 13: 04 New
    0
    Why talk about it?!?
  20. starhina01
    starhina01 19 November 2013 14: 03 New
    +1
    a good idea, one way or another, to develop and expand glonas, the main thing is that the satellites do not fall again and do not launder hi
  21. Lesmed2
    Lesmed2 19 November 2013 14: 11 New
    0
    The Ministry of Defense has already allocated 350 million rubles from the federal budget to create a test complex.
    I'm afraid this amount will increase at times ....
    1. kontrol
      kontrol 19 November 2013 21: 11 New
      0
      just a 5-month monthly salary of the miller. what a little
  22. Nitarius
    Nitarius 19 November 2013 14: 21 New
    +2
    In general, why yell at the whole WORLD about this!
    QUIET UKRAINIAN NIGHT, BUT LITTLE BETTER TO REVERSE! You don’t have to scream such things.
  23. Sam-07
    Sam-07 19 November 2013 14: 31 New
    +2
    "with simulation of flight at an altitude of up to 10 thousand km at a speed of up to 40 thousand km / h." but!!!! )) pleases !!! will fly the ICBM warhead to the adversary and knock on the window of a house painted with white. will fly over.
  24. Big lexey
    Big lexey 19 November 2013 15: 00 New
    +4
    Quote: silver_roman
    There is evidence that on 08.08.08 the Americans cut off to us NAVSTAR, after which our systems and complexes were left without satellite navigation and all its advantages.

    In the Russian army there are no devices (systems) that need NAVSTAR (in common GPS) to function.
    In addition, our officers are still able to reach a given point at a set time using a map and a compass, which cannot be said about NATO soldiers.
    If a global war begins, the first group of low-orbit satellites will be demolished with the first blows, and no one will have either GPS, GLONASS, or radio-technical and optical-electronic reconnaissance satellites ... nothing ... I think that the satellites are also in geostationary orbit They also beat, so that everyone began to use wired communications.
    1. zennon
      zennon 19 November 2013 21: 39 New
      0
      I think that the satellites in geostationary orbit also hurt

      This will be difficult to do. Altitude-from 35 to 37 thousand km, and they hang (they hang) in completely different planes. As for low-orbit, that's right ...
  25. Big lexey
    Big lexey 19 November 2013 15: 00 New
    +1
    Quote: silver_roman
    There is evidence that on 08.08.08 the Americans cut off to us NAVSTAR, after which our systems and complexes were left without satellite navigation and all its advantages.

    In the Russian army there are no devices (systems) that need NAVSTAR (in common GPS) to function.
    In addition, our officers are still able to reach a given point at a set time using a map and a compass, which cannot be said about NATO soldiers.
    If a global war begins, the first group of low-orbit satellites will be demolished with the first blows, and no one will have either GPS, GLONASS, or radio-technical and optical-electronic reconnaissance satellites ... nothing ... I think that the satellites are also in geostationary orbit They also beat, so that everyone began to use wired communications.
    1. silver_roman
      silver_roman 19 November 2013 15: 55 New
      0
      Quote: BigLexey
      In the event of the outbreak of global war, the first group of low-orbit satellites will be demolished with the first blows


      extremely difficult task.
      It will not work in one gulp, because the constellation of satellites is located both in different orbits, and at different points relative to the geographical position.
      The "regional" satellite will be shot down, others will partially cover it, there are also reserve ones.
      as far as I know, only the USSR participated in the development of satellite interception systems. Among the Western air defense and missile defense systems, few can boast of such capabilities.
      It seems that there have been successful cases of interception of the satellite in low orbits, but even then according to known coordinates and trajectories.
      The one that I would not focus on TTX. in practice, as always, everything is different!
      But by the way, our s-400s have the ability to work on satellites in low orbits. although I’m not entirely aware of the missiles that were developed for these needs. Whether they were created or not, I don’t know.
      1. Generalissimus
        Generalissimus 19 November 2013 16: 53 New
        +4
        The solution to this problem is quite trivial, in fact.
        There is no need to shoot down satellites with interceptors. Everything is much simpler and cheaper, believe me. Moreover (thanks to the USSR and Soviet science), there are no analogues in the world.

        Destruction of satellite communications, and global, is carried out by simple spraying of certain reagents (a group of certain rare earth metals and their compounds in relatively negligible amounts) at certain altitudes, which leads to very rapid formation of specific "clouds" in low orbits and in the stratosphere thousands of kilometers long , which completely jam any communication with satellites. True, with our own too. =) True, being able to create, we are able to manage processes. Which is a big advantage.

        The technology was developed, the tests were so impressive in beauty that they could not tear their eyes off.
    2. Onyx
      Onyx 19 November 2013 17: 04 New
      0
      Navigation satellites are in high orbits (about 20 tons km above the ground)
    3. Drosselmeyer
      Drosselmeyer 19 November 2013 18: 47 New
      0
      +++ In addition, our officers are still able to reach a given point at a set time using a map and a compass, which cannot be said about NATO soldiers. +++
      Who told you that? They even know how to use both a map and a compass, and many officers are well versed in Russian names on maps. Do not take the enemy for fools.
  26. sxn278619
    sxn278619 19 November 2013 15: 26 New
    0
    Quote: BigLexey If a global war starts, the first group of low-orbit satellites will be demolished with the first blows, and no one will have either GPS, GLONASS, or radio-technical and optoelectronic intelligence satellites ... nothing ... I think that satellites geostationary orbit also beaten down, so that everyone began to use wired communications. [/ quote

    Technically, no country can do this. How many US satellites, for example, need to be destroyed - 100? There is a way - to blow barrels with nails towards. Cheap and efficient.
  27. kafa
    kafa 19 November 2013 15: 53 New
    -1
    you can stumble me but the real and claimed results I know before testing repeat
  28. x.andvlad
    x.andvlad 19 November 2013 16: 04 New
    0
    Quote: BigLexey
    In addition, our officers are still able to reach a given point at a set time using a map and a compass, which cannot be said about NATO soldiers.

    And it is right!
  29. tlauicol
    tlauicol 19 November 2013 16: 28 New
    +1
    Severodvinsk was shot by Onyx! who can post the news!
  30. alex-cn
    alex-cn 19 November 2013 17: 13 New
    +1
    Question: with modern technologies, will global navigation satellites survive before using those products whose characteristics are stated in the article
  31. voldmis
    voldmis 19 November 2013 17: 28 New
    +1
    Everything is correct. It's time to experience! We wish you good results!
  32. ole_ga
    ole_ga 19 November 2013 19: 43 New
    +1
    Maybe I don't understand something, but 250 "lemons" for just a stand?
    1. crambol
      crambol 19 November 2013 20: 07 New
      -2
      Quote: ole_ga
      Maybe I don't understand something, but 250 "lemons" for just a stand?

      Go to the store and see how much the eggs cost. And everything will become clear!
  33. mountain
    mountain 19 November 2013 20: 13 New
    +1
    Quote: mirag2
    Really? Nakoy such a shnyaga needed then?
    is it any better than gps, or just that ours?

    The coverage area is more than 90% compared to GP and it is modern. In general, in the USSR it was created for military needs. And only in the 2000s began to launch satellites, civilian glanas.
  34. Andrey Peter
    Andrey Peter 19 November 2013 20: 27 New
    +3
    I was puzzled for a long time, but I am writing for the first time. Guys, how do you rate articles and comments? Watching more pluses for "URA PATRIOTISM". Well, okay, this is somehow understandable. BUT, for example, this is a purely informative article and you, at your own discretion, make an assessment of it. It happens that an article is very relevant to discuss it, and you put a minus to it only because it is about negative. But it turns out that you need to put a plus for the fact that the author raised this issue. The same can be said for comments. I'm not so much interested in how much you put me and the principle? hi
    And about this article, at first I just left a comment like "stupid question, stupid answer." But in fact this one. You want to say that our country has spent a lot of money and without preliminary testing of the GLONAS system, it is naive. And the fact that it is being fine-tuned is quite natural.
    1. crambol
      crambol 19 November 2013 20: 43 New
      +1
      Dear Andrey Peter! Congratulations on airing!
      Read the comments and you’ll understand everything. Successes.
    2. Ascetic
      Ascetic 19 November 2013 21: 37 New
      +4
      Quote: Andrew Peter
      You want to say that our country spent a lot of money and without preliminary testing the GLONAS system, it is naive. And the fact that her refinement is going on is quite natural.


      Seisas allocated funds for the installation of a terrestrial network analogue GLONASS (the Americans are already installing a similar network). complex with GLONA. And in wartime, after the removal of satellites, we will switch to it. The Americans are already using such a system. We call it "Scorpio"
      In 2013–2015, three systems of the Transbaikal chain will be replaced, in 2016–2017, four systems of the North Caucasus chain, in 2017–2019, four in the Far East, and in 2019–2020, three systems of the South Ural chain will be replaced . In addition to new long-range navigation systems, the PPA-S / V noise-resistant aircraft receivers operating on the GLONASS, GPS signals, the entire arsenal of ground-based RSDN and Scorpion will come to equip the Russian Army.
      1. Onyx
        Onyx 19 November 2013 21: 55 New
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        Quote: Ascetic
        And in wartime, after the removal of satellites, we will go to it.

        And why then GLONASS, if you can use Scorpio?
  35. Boa kaa
    Boa kaa 19 November 2013 20: 47 New
    +3
    The problem of satellite communications and navigation is not new. In the 1's, destruction (disabling a satellite) is one of the main reconnaissance signs of the onset of aggression.
    In-2's, on vskidku can lead several ways to disable them:
    - physical destruction with the help of kinetic shells of low-orbit AES-r (MiG-31D, a container with balls, missiles, orbital battle stations - Diamond);
    - failure of onboard satellite equipment (high-power laser radiation, electromagnetic radiation from a ground installation, close nuclear explosive and its electromagnetic radiation, cyber attack);
    - change in the physical conditions for the passage of the p / signal (ionization of the upper layers of the atmosphere - high-altitude nuclear explosives, chemical reagents - the Generalisimus has already mentioned, the operation of microwave generators - HARP--, etc.)
    - a cyberattack in order to change the operating parameters (time delay) of the satellite, reprogramming, malware infection, etc.
    However, all space states have programs and plans for making up for losses, launching new satellites (replenishing the spacecraft grouping). So the struggle in space is all ahead and you need to prepare for it in advance, in peacetime. And it costs a lot of money! But if you want to live - know how to fight!
    1. Marine One
      Marine One 20 November 2013 00: 47 New
      +2
      Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
      physical destruction with the help of kinetic shells of low-orbit ISZ-r (MiG-31D, a container with balls, missiles, orbital battle stations - Diamond);

      MIG31D is not in service. Mythical BS "Almaz" to the same place. Etc. Anti-satellite missiles are still experimental weapons.

      Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
      - failure of onboard satellite equipment (high-power laser radiation, electromagnetic radiation from a ground installation, close nuclear explosive and its electromagnetic radiation, cyber attack);

      It does not exist in nature neither in the Russian Federation, nor in the USA, nor in other countries. Perhaps the inhabitants of the mushroom planet Yuggot have.

      Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
      - change in physical conditions for the passage of the p / signal (ionization of the upper atmosphere - high-altitude nuclear explosives, chemical reagents

      Conditionally (on theoretical studies) it is permissible with a bunch of corrections and assumptions. It will damage not only enemy devices, but also its own spacecraft. Today does not exist as a device.

      Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
      Generalisimus already mentioned, the work of microwave generators - HARP-- and so on)

      Study your high school physics textbook first. I recommend Soviet publications. If it does not help, contact psychiatrists for psychotronic irradiation with the HAARP system and its analogue "Sura" from the territory of the Nizhny Novgorod region.

      Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
      - a cyberattack in order to change the operating parameters (time delay) of the satellite, reprogramming, malware infection, etc.

      A cyber attack is best done from a pay phone. Supporters of cyberattacks on satellites usually do it like this: watch the movie "Hackers" (1995) and attack.
      1. Generalissimus
        Generalissimus 20 November 2013 10: 25 New
        +1
        MIG31D is not in service. Mythical BS "Almaz" to the same place. Etc. Anti-satellite missiles are still an experimental weapon


        It is a little unclear what does "Mythical BS" Almaz "" mean? winked
        Myths are myths. And the "Almazy" flew off their own, having completely completed the research programs, the weapon options were worked out. The very first manned Almaz: Popovich, Artyukhin, 1974, if I'm not mistaken. The art system has been successfully tested.

        What do you mean "and so on"? You are so categorical that it gets funny.
        Satellites-interceptors were worked out in the USSR (shrapnel charge) in the 60-70-s.
        Students even knew this in profiled universities.
        So, in 2011, China has gone the same way.

        What do you mean "Anti-satellite missiles are still experimental weapons"? =)) Big news for the USA and their Aegis, RIM-161.
        The USSR went the other way, which did not exclude the Soviet developments (MiG31D).
        Not in service? Indeed, Mig31D is not. But where is your confidence that there was no further work? Tell if you know something like that. =) They did not stop. The delays and suspension of the tests at the beginning of the 90's did not happen because of the MiG31, but because of the rocket itself. After the situation settled in the state, the work was reopened. There is no publicly available information; there are rumors of a change in aircraft carrier. Do you know something more specifically? About closing the program? Tell me.
        It does not exist in nature neither in the Russian Federation, nor in the USA, nor in other countries. Perhaps the inhabitants of the mushroom planet Yuggot have.


        Awesome! Directly some kind of solipsism. Since Marine One is not in the know, it means not in nature.
        Satellites and other space objects with lasers processed from the Earth for a long time already, the first scandal erupted not so long ago - you should have heard. It's about blinding an American satellite Chinese laser. This incident is coming soon 8 years.
        As far as I was assured by my housemate, who has been developing combat lasers for 40 years, this direction has been advanced quite successfully in the USSR and Russia and is still not inferior to foreign countries.
        As for EMR, again I did not understand your skepticism. A close nuclear explosive really gives EMR, and there are specialized ammunition that is specifically designed for EMR.
        As for the fact that their systems can suffer, so what? Whoever applies is notified, who is notified - he is warned. So - ready.
        After all, it is obvious that in case of need to demolish satellite constellations will be a set of measures.
        1. Generalissimus
          Generalissimus 20 November 2013 10: 25 New
          +1
          You are so categorical that I suspect that you are deeply versed in the affairs of the mushroom planet Yuggot you mentioned.

          Conditionally (on theoretical studies) it is permissible with a bunch of corrections and assumptions. It will damage not only enemy devices, but also its own spacecraft. Today does not exist as a device.

          ohrenet .. but where do you get the basis for such allegations?
          I listened with my own ears from the testers to the results of the atomization of some metals in the upper atmosphere from low orbits. Communication with satellites is completely blocked. At estimated time. On the estimated area of ​​thousands of kilometers.
          Technology worked out already a damn how many years ago.
          And, thank God, only with us. It looks like huge glowing clouds of emerald and ruby ​​color.
          So hello to the inhabitants of the mushroom planet Yuggot.
          Study your high school physics textbook first. I recommend Soviet publications. If it does not help, contact psychiatrists for psychotronic radiation with the HAARP system and its analogue "Sura" from the territory of the Nizhny Novgorod region

          And here is the psychotronic radiation of Harp and Sura? Why should someone attribute nonsense to opponents? Harpe electromagnetic radiation leads to ionization of the atmosphere in certain areas, which, in turn, leads to abnormal conditions around the PS of aerodynamic bodies, which, in turn, leads to an abnormal flight mode, which, in turn, leads to the destruction of aircraft flying in hypersound. This is just a missile defense element. Perhaps still experimental - not in the know. The principle of intercepting a BR in this way, as well as the most obvious use of Harpa, was taught to me, a student, about 20 years ago.
          Apparently, both in the USA and in Russia, this project turned out to be a dead end and ineffective. However, he was not particularly interested.
          I don’t know where all these horror stories about the psychotronic or climatic or other use of these systems come from. Probably from your planet Yuggot.
  36. Andrey Peter
    Andrey Peter 19 November 2013 20: 52 New
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    [quote = crambol] Dear Andrey Peter! Congratulations on airing! Read comments and all
    you will understand. Successes.
    I have been reading comments for several years now. But I registered on this site only in the middle of this. And now your advice I don’t understand how sad Especially looking at your comments which are many but .....?
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  37. KPACHA9_3BE3DA
    KPACHA9_3BE3DA 19 November 2013 21: 34 New
    +1
    Quote: Stiletto
    Quote: i_vam_ne_hvoratj
    Too shy to ask ... Will Mr. Serdyukov test ???



    Give this will, not only Glonass, and the American GPS-group at a lower price will be sold to the Martians. At the same time, despite the live signatures on the documents, the guy, as usual, will be out of business ...


    Mr. to the Chinese, and his battalion to the sailor, let them fight, and not want to go to medical institutions for experiments.

    R.S. sorry that this will not happen. How much of our money did they steal? They must be slowly and painfully executed, and their children and relatives!
  38. Andrey Peter
    Andrey Peter 19 November 2013 23: 21 New
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    [quote = askort154] Andrey Peter. Quote ... No. Accuracy will be tested at Serdyukov.

    ALL FORGET ABOUT SERDYUKOV! He was already attached, and his passion has completely "grown bolder", not only gives interviews, but begins to "run into" the Investigative Committee (under the dictation of his lawyers). So this is not "37
    Well, you directly told me the news good
  39. studentmati
    studentmati 20 November 2013 00: 32 New
    0
    Let's figure it out: any military system cannot be created without confidence in its effective application. It was the same with GLONASS in the early 80s. What is voiced in this article is more like "lowering the system on the brakes". A smooth preparation of Russians in the ineffectiveness of the system begins. It is clear that with an abrupt closure there will be a protest - "where did our taxes go?" If you don't want to, you have forgotten how to spend money on the defense industry, so admit your powerlessness. ENOUGH TO DECEIVE - if you want to close - close. Do not consider yourself smarter than others!
  40. VADEL
    VADEL 20 November 2013 00: 59 New
    0
    Chichas, the Chinese and Indians are still in space on GLONASS and traffic jams there will be like on the Moscow Ring Road. And then another hundred thousand of their cosmonauts-spotters will be sent THERE A TACKET AS WOULD lol
  41. Delink
    Delink 20 November 2013 06: 27 New
    0
    IN everyone is ready to stick their nose.
    I would not let them check our GLONASS. And then there will be nothing to induce for accuracy.
    Or let ours be allowed to check their GPS satellites.