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Russia's main problem is the loss of full state sovereignty

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The Russian Federation recalls a seriously damaged ship, which is increasingly difficult to rise under the impact of the waves. The global systemic crisis and internal problems of Russia pose a tough question to its people - whether Russian civilization will survive, will it be able to preserve its uniqueness, or will it become a territory that will be mastered by western and eastern powers, network projects. At present, the Russian space is being mastered by Western and Islamic projects, and there is the threat of Chinese expansion.


We must clearly realize that today's internal problems of Russia, like yesterday’s problems, are a direct consequence of the loss of our Motherland’s full state sovereignty. Therefore, all attempts by the authorities, even reasonable and loyal, to solve individual problems such as the modernization of education, the reform of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the Islamist threat, the demographic issue and the deterioration of public health cannot lead to complete success. Perhaps only a partial improvement, or everything goes according to the well-known principle “we wanted the best, but it turned out as always.” A systematic approach is needed.

The recognition by the world community of the territory of the state, the flag, the coat of arms and anthem, diplomatic sovereignty, that is, the ability to pursue an independent policy, are all visible signs of an independent state. They can be seen in almost all countries of the planet, even in the so-called. "Banana republics" and unrecognized state formations. In particular, it is well known that Georgia under President Mikhail Saakashvili was a puppet of the United States, a fully controlled territory, following the instructions of the "Washington Regional Committee". At the same time, Georgia had all the visible signs of state sovereignty, a “proud and independent” country.

Achieving greater independence requires a corresponding military and economic potential. After all, diplomats in their activities always rely on the military and economic might of the state. And the "law of power" is the most ancient and recognized. You can say many beautiful and correct words, but the presence of cruisers and tank divisions will do much more than just a word. It is well known that with a kind word and a revolver you will achieve much more than just a kind word.

Cultural sovereignty is even more important. As shows история Russia, it is more important than the rest. This is the essence of the so-called. dispute Slavophiles and Westerners. Westerners believe that Russia is the periphery of Western civilization, whose history was initially determined by cultural impulses from the more developed European “core”, starting from the time of the “Swedes-Vikings” who brought state to Russia. Accordingly, you should not resist, it is necessary to relax and “have fun”, that is, to adopt all the cultural innovations of the West. Slavophiles, on the other hand, believe that Russia-Russia is a separate, unique civilization with its own program and goal. The violation of this program and the rejection of "Russianness", the movement of the political elite in the wake of the western project lead Russia to a geopolitical catastrophe. In particular, in the 20th century, Russia twice passed through such a catastrophe, when the ruling strata abandoned Russia's mission. The Russian Federation is also heading towards such a catastrophe, with much less time than the Russian Empire and the Soviet Union. The Russian authorities officially profess patriotism, sometimes even moderately imperial, but in practice capitalist cosmopolitanism prevails.

Culture is determined by the concept of development. This is the plan of living arrangement. He has been known since primitive times: people knew that there is good and evil, justice and injustice, black and white. At present, an unfair, immoral concept of development prevails on the planet. There are no states that are trying to build a fair, communist society, where each generation of people becomes more moral and rational, there is no division of people into "elected" and "losers." Thus, in the People's Republic of China they talk about building socialism with Chinese characteristics, but in reality they are building the same capitalism, but under the leadership of the Communist Party. The only state that adopted the just plan of living arrangement and very successfully began to build a communist society was the Soviet Union under Joseph Stalin.

It should also be noted that the main cause of the current global systemic crisis and all the problems of Russia is the dominance of an unjust concept. The masters of the western project are building a frankly non-slave-owning civilization, where several dozen clans want to have a monopoly on high technology, to become "gods" for sick and quickly dying "two-legged guns." The sad future of the overwhelming majority of humanity can be seen from fantastic pictures that are shot at the “dream factory”: the presence of a few “elite” (“gods” owning the technologies of the next technological order) and living in hopeless poverty and searching for a piece of bread, in constant fear and apathy, immersed in the narcotic dope of other people. It is the construction of such a society that leads to a global crisis. For true independence (autocracy), conceptual sovereignty is necessary.

It is enough to cite a few examples in order to understand the falsity and fatality of the course of the Russian Federation. The Russian Federation follows a false Western concept with its professional sports, where huge money and resources are spent on training and promotion of professional athletes instead of developing mass physical culture, as in the Stalinist USSR and the Third Reich (despite the general infernality of the Hitler Reich, many decisions were loyal and reasonable). Tens of billions are spent and will be spent on the 2014 Winter Olympic Games of the Year in Sochi that are not needed by the people in Sochi and the 2018 World Cup in Russia. With the same money, it was possible to build or repair hundreds of gyms and street complexes in schools, kindergartens, technical schools, and higher educational institutions. There would be more public benefit from this.

Another example. In terms of the number of dollar billionaires, Russia is in the top three world leaders, and millions of pensioners who have given their best years to building socialism, the infrastructure that we now donate, millions of teachers, health workers receive a pittance. In terms of social contrast in the distribution of national wealth between a limited handful of the rich and the rest of the population, Russia was among the leaders on the planet, and it is not for nothing that they call it "Northern Nigeria". Only in Black Africa are there states where the comprador bourgeoisie is just as predatory and unprincipled.

One more example. Russian companies spend huge amounts of money on the purchase or lease of used foreign-made aircraft - instead of buying new domestic aircraft. The last plane crash in Kazan is a kind of sign for the whole country. You can’t fly on Brazilian-Ugandan castoffs. Kazan aviation The plant, founded in 1932 and building for the country one of the most powerful and complex combat aircraft in the world - the Tu-160 strategic bomber with variable wing geometry, now produces from 1 to 3 Tu-214 aircraft per year.

For comparison: during the reign of Stalin, Russia had all kinds of sovereignty - from visible attributes to basic ones, making the state truly independent. Moscow led an independent domestic, foreign and global policy, at the military level did not lag behind the leading powers, and during the Great Patriotic War proved its priority in this area. The economy was self-sufficient, the USSR had the opportunity to supply the population with goods in all positions. It is clear that someone lacked luxury, but this is not the main thing in the development of the country. The USSR was independent of the Anglo-Saxon monetary system. He created an alternative monetary system, and involved in it not only the countries of the socialist bloc, but also the "neutrals" from Europe and the "third world" countries. The Western capitalist world cracked at the seams, he was threatened with complete defeat. In the cultural field there was almost complete sovereignty: the “iron curtain” protected the inhabitants of the Union from foreign informational garbage; songs, basic values, films, heroes - everything was local, original. At the level of conceptual power, moral arbitrariness was exercised, unhealthy elements were suppressed, society was cleared of them. Communism was built, society went to a bright future. The level of enthusiasm was so high that people believed that a society without organized crime (banditry) would be created, humanity would go into the near space, master the depths of the World Ocean. All this against the background of how we have now fallen low, it seems fiction, and this was the reality that our fathers and grandfathers were building.

By the time of the collapse of the USSR, the internal and external enemies of our civilization were able to win upward on two top priorities — cultural and conceptual. They forgot about the goal, they started talking about it with beautiful words about “developed socialism”, “peaceful coexistence of the two systems”, etc. Cultural sovereignty has been lost. The West has become the ruler of thoughts. His films, “stars”, songs, dances, fashion became advanced, and everything Soviet - backward. People with a philistine psychology, dreaming of Western clothes and a video recorder, in which pornography can be turned into the first positions, were put forward. With their tacit consent of the USSR destroyed. Everything became as if we were in the “beautiful” West: beautiful cars, girls dressing as prostitutes, strip bars, sex tours to Turkey and Egypt, hidden slavery of foreign and domestic guest workers, etc. And external sovereignty (recognition, flag, coat of arms and anthem), diplomatic, economic and military sovereignty still remained. Although in the financial and economic sphere the USSR was already “connected” to the Western capitalist system. It was with the loss of cultural and conceptual sovereignty that the tragedy of the USSR - Russia began. It's simple: for children, heroes and idols are supermen, ninja turtles, Barbie and human spiders, lady gaga, or Ilya Muromets, Svyatogor, Svyatoslav, Alexander Nevsky, Lomonosov, Suvorov, Nakhimov, Nesterov, Korolev, Tsiolkovsky and Panfilov. There is no other! The state should form the world outlook and the world perception of citizens, or others will do it for it.

With the loss of cultural and conceptual independence, military sovereignty was very quickly lost. Gorbachev began the withdrawal of troops and signed a series of agreements that undermine the defense potential of the USSR. And then economic sovereignty was finally lost. Much of the economy traded on Western jeans and chewing gum. In 1991, diplomatic sovereignty was lost. The fate of the late USSR was decided in the West, Gorbachev and Yeltsin turned Russia into a semi-colony. There was no overt occupation: NATO troops did not enter Russia in order not to provoke the people. However, in fact, the Russian Federation in the 1990-e years was occupied territory, there were only external symbols of independence and the recognition of severely curtailed borders. Moscow surrendered all of its former friends and allies, left all bases, and withdrew troops. We even lost two indigenous parts of Great Russia - Little and White Russia. Russia disarmed almost unilaterally, the industry was falling apart and plundered, the most valuable pieces were captured by the oligarchy. The country has lost food security. Total financial dependence: huge government and corporate debts. The ruble is pegged to the dollar. Cultural sovereignty is finally lost, whole Pepsi generations are growing up with Western values ​​grafted almost from the cradle. The goal and program of Russian civilization is completely forgotten. Patriots are almost outcasts.

It was time for the final decision of the “Russian question”, the collapse of the Russian Federation into small Bantustans. However, there was a turning point. Russia was “frozen”. Degradation continued, but at a slower pace. In addition, the Russian body in some parts began to recover. To date, Russia has restored partial diplomatic sovereignty.

This is largely due to the favorable foreign policy situation, the US crisis, which began to lose its position in the world, to retreat (What is waiting for the United States: the sunset or the North American Empire?) There are positive developments in the military field and the economy. But there is no complete sovereignty here either. The worst situation with the cultural conceptual independence. European-American pop culture, and for some citizens and Eastern culture, almost completely determine the worldview of people.

At the same time, some citizens have a craving for Russian culture, history, traditions, songs. I must say a big thank you to the USSR, where a huge reserve of Russian culture and education was created, allowing you to understand the problem and find the answer. This is our chance for the revival of the Russian civilization ... It must be remembered that it is cultural and conceptual “autocracy” that is the basis of true independence. Children already at the level of nurseries, kindergartens and schools should know and learn Russian songs, rituals, learn embroidery, ornaments, dress in holidays in folk clothes, engage in Russian hand-to-hand combat. Russian language, literature and history should be studied at least at the level of the USSR; they should not be replaced by the “law of God”, world artistic culture, increased multiculturalism and tolerance, Holocaust courses, sex education lessons and other “useful things” imposed on us by foreign and domestic "friends".
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  1. Canep
    Canep 19 November 2013 08: 06
    -6
    The author was 15 years late with the article. If today's Russia does not have sovereignty, it turns out to be dependent on some country (or group of countries). I would like to know what kind of camp (or group of countries) it is. The foreign policy of Russia in my opinion is absolutely independent. Moreover, other countries adapt to it, starting from Kyrgyzstan (in everything) and ending with Great Britain (when voting on the question of the beginning of the intervention in Syria).
    1. NAV-STAR
      NAV-STAR 19 November 2013 08: 16
      66
      He was not late! Now only a blind man does not notice a spiritual rebirth, even a small, but still part of the Russian! Gogol said that if at least one Russian farm remains on earth, Russia will be reborn! And if people think that everything is lost, then it’s easier for them to shoot themselves, so as not to suffer, reviving spiritual and moral values ​​in themselves!
      1. makarov
        makarov 19 November 2013 08: 28
        -78 qualifying.
        In general, Nikolai Vasilievich was Ukrainian, and he had a craving for the ts fashionable at that time. cultural drugs. Some experts say that under their influence he "faked" the nth part of his horror stories, such as "Viy".
        Hence the conclusion, you never know what N.V. could say stoned.
        1. makarov
          makarov 19 November 2013 09: 32
          -27 qualifying.
          Minuses go? Well, I realized.
          I declare openly - Einstein was a Russian scientist ....
          1. domokl
            domokl 19 November 2013 12: 10
            51
            Quote: makarov
            Einstein was a Russian scientist ....

            laughing In ... This is the right approach to history ... The cons were put to you simply because it isn’t very important what nationality this or that Russian writer, commander or scientist ... Even an athlete ... it is important WHAT he was a writer , commander or scientist ... You correctly emphasized, but ... Gogol is a Russian writer ... And he wrote for Russia and for Russians ... Well then there was no Ukraine.
            You know, I recently watched the movie Tractor Drivers on TV ... Damn, I haven’t seen such a nationalist pro-Ukrainian film for a long time ... It has never been said that the Russians are well done there ... But for that, every five minutes they say, Beautiful Ukrainian night. - I love Ukrainian songs, etc.
            And this is during the period of Stalinism ... It seems to me that once the confrontation between Russians and Ukrainians, the great closure and parts of the Russian and Ukrainian peoples. And we need to live for everyone ... Live together ... Yesterday, I’m having fun at my birthday sang Ukrainian songs, my mother sang them once ...
            1. makarov
              makarov 19 November 2013 12: 35
              +9
              N.V. Gogol (last name at the birth of Janowski)- Do you know Ukrainian night? Oh, you do not know the Ukrainian night! Look at her. From the middle of the sky a month looks. The immense vault of heaven was heard, parted even more immense. He burns and breathes. The whole earth is in silver light; and wonderful air, and cool-stuffy, and full of bliss, and driven by an ocean of fragrances. Divine night! A charming night! Immovably, with inspiration, forests became full of darkness, and threw a huge shadow from themselves. Quiet and calm these ponds; the cold and darkness of their waters is gloomily enclosed in the dark green walls of the gardens. The virgin thickets of bird cherries timidly stretched their roots into the key cold and occasionally babble with leaves, as if angry and indignant when a beautiful anemone - the night wind, crept up instantly, kisses them. The whole landscape is sleeping. And above everything breathes, everything is marvelous, everything is solemn. And on the soul, both immense and wonderful, and crowds of silver visions harmoniously arise in its depths. Divine night! A charming night! And suddenly everything came to life: the forests, and ponds, and the steppes. The majestic thunder of the Ukrainian nightingale comes in, and it seems that for a month it was heard in the middle of the sky ..
              Pushkin A.S. - Quiet Ukrainian night.
              Transparent sky. Stars shine.
              Overcome your nap
              Doesn't want air. Tremble a little
              1. Egoza
                Egoza 19 November 2013 18: 35
                18
                Quote: makarov
                do you know ukrainian night

                Dear Pavel! I am glad that you know literature very well. Just excellent. Moreover, I can confirm that the word "ukraina", which was used to designate border lands, is "Ukrainian, Ukrainian, (marginal)" lands. In particular, Daniil Galitsky, complaining to his father-in-law Mstislav, asked him for troops against Leszko (the Polish prince), who captured his Volyn Ukraine while Daniel was a small child. This is somewhere between 1215-1218. But the nationality "Ukrainian", as well as the "Ukrainian" province, WAS NOT. Only "Little Russia" and "Little Russia".Therefore, to say that N.V. Gogol was Ukrainian, to say the least. Moreover, you can refer to T.G. Shevchenko, who wrote "Little Russians" in his biography.
                1. old rocket man
                  old rocket man 19 November 2013 21: 53
                  +3
                  Quote: Egoza
                  Therefore, to say that N.V. Gogol was Ukrainian, to say the least. Moreover, one can refer to T.G. Shevchenko, who wrote "Little Russian" in his biography.

                  Entirely "for", especially since "Yanovsky" is a purely Polish surname and most of the Ukrainian "gentry" has Polish roots, hence the craving for independence laughing
                2. kaper
                  kaper 19 November 2013 22: 16
                  -5
                  "But the nationality" Ukrainian ", as well as the" Ukrainian "province, WAS NOT. Only" Little Russia "and" Little Russia "- but what about Pushkin -" - Quiet Ukrainian night. "Either it was night, and everything else was not, or Pushkin is definitely a Ukrainian nationalist. Yes, and what is the problem, if you really want what was not, then now, rose your eyes, that is, you can even touch it if you don't believe it.
                  1. Egoza
                    Egoza 19 November 2013 23: 44
                    +7
                    Quote: kaper
                    Quiet Ukrainian night ".

                    Again! The adjective "Ukrainian" (suburb, border) WAS, nationality - NOT.
                  2. Shur
                    Shur 20 November 2013 20: 37
                    +1
                    Yes, if you are a Ukrainian, on the same basis it means to me to be called a certain "k tsa pom" from the country of katsa pii? You were hammered into your .. in general, be. Wait, a generation later you will become a Cossack .. The fact that we are one people, including the Poles, etc. "don't go to the grandmother." The point is precisely to divide and that's it. And in Vologda they will drown, etc., they will declare the Vologda zhania, etc. Replace the alphabet with Latin and so on. Do you think about where you are going? No one in the USSR called you Russian .. Nobody will stand for you. No fields, no German, no one you, at least such "Ukrainians" are unnecessary! Call yourself whatever you like. It is possible to make the country "Muscovy", but the point is that Kiev was also RUSSIA, not VUKRS .. It just so happened. In general, I am for the all-Slavic union, as it was. There is strength in unity, and so, you will simply melt into the mass of motley Europe ..
                3. Shur
                  Shur 20 November 2013 20: 17
                  0
                  It doesn’t matter to him, moreover, he now, as a true Ukrainian, will prove that Einstein, by his mother, Kokhmanenko ..
              2. kaper
                kaper 19 November 2013 21: 16
                -1
                Why are you doing this, now some "internationalists" of both Gogol and Pushkin will have to write down with the Ukrainian nationalists.
                1. Shur
                  Shur 20 November 2013 20: 51
                  0
                  No, it will not be possible to write them down there, for they wrote somehow in Russian. What kind of internationalism, donate blood and look, you are the same Western Slav as most of Russia. Everything else is superficial. It will be necessary and will return the real Slavic language with all its dialects, etc. They were not negatives, do not confuse.
            2. iConst
              iConst 19 November 2013 19: 07
              +7
              Quote: domokl
              The minuses have been put to you simply because it is not particularly important what nationality this or that Russian writer, commander or scientist ...Even an athlete... it is important WHAT he was a writer, commander or scientist ...

              And it’s important for me, damn it, that the athlete was my compatriot. And not some stranger, even a drop dead master, a cosmopolitan mercenary for the loot that was stolen from the people.

              Almost all hockey and football teams in Russia are already the same mercenaries, for whom the concept of "the honor of the country" is almost an empty phrase. This can be seen from the game, the desire to win.

              Shcha urya-putreoty push the buttons to their mice, in a fury clicking on "-" laughing
            3. bandabas
              bandabas 19 November 2013 21: 13
              +4
              And Bagration was just a Russian commander, just an example. Despite the fact that he was a Georgian.
              1. Revolver
                Revolver 20 November 2013 04: 19
                +3
                Quote: bandabas
                And Bagration was just a Russian commander, just an example. Despite the fact that he was a Georgian.

                If we recall the Georgians who became Russian military leaders, then first of all we must remember Generalissimo I.V. Stalin. There were many generals like Bagration, although outstanding, in all generations, and Stalin - he is the only one in history. The generals won, but it happened that they lost, battles, but not wars. Stalin won the war, which was not equal and, God forbid, will not.
                1. makarov
                  makarov 20 November 2013 04: 32
                  -6
                  SW Revolver. What are you talking about? How dare you destroy the chauvinistic waste?
                  No, you are mistaken !!
                  Stalin - was a primordially Russian person. And this is confirmed by the fact that he spoke the word "genatsvali" with an obvious accent.
                  1. Shur
                    Shur 20 November 2013 21: 09
                    0
                    Yes, you really stuck on their originality! And what to look for among Russian Vyatichi, Krivichi, northerner, etc.? Yeah. This is where you share further .. On the Ukrainians, the great Poles and stuff.
                2. bandabas
                  bandabas 20 November 2013 19: 45
                  0
                  It is not about the Georgians and other nations. I have clearly written, "just an example." I have a fellow-Jew (on the father's side, that is, the mother is Russian, and according to the canons of the Jews, he is not a Jew). But believe me. As a person, he is better than many Russians.
                3. Shur
                  Shur 20 November 2013 20: 54
                  0
                  He won by breaking the bet on many million souls, but the results are not yet clear ..
              2. POBEDA
                POBEDA 20 November 2013 18: 56
                0
                And Barclay de Tolly and Wittgenstein and Essen and Steingel were Russian commanders!
            4. kaper
              kaper 19 November 2013 21: 14
              +2
              "-Beautiful Ukrainian night. -I love Ukrainian songs, etc." - well, where is nationalism here, perhaps, etc.
              1. Apollo
                Apollo 19 November 2013 21: 17
                +1
                Quote: kaper
                - I love Ukrainian songs, etc. "- well, where is nationalism here, perhaps in, etc.?



                good
              2. POBEDA
                POBEDA 20 November 2013 19: 10
                0
                And if every lover of Ukrainian, Ural, Transbaikal, Caucasian, Volga and Siberian songs and nights will demand independence, what will remain of the country? After how many years will those who survive in Chinese or speak hints of German? AND? Rosuem, chi sho?
                1. Shur
                  Shur 20 November 2013 21: 12
                  0
                  Unfortunately, they are already "converted". Polyana, too, are brothers.
          2. iConst
            iConst 19 November 2013 16: 11
            -5
            This is not a minus sign - these are ostriches, conjuring themselves that everything will be fine, there is a revival of everything and everything. laughing

            Cardboard potreota or putreota. I would call tupreots laughing

            They ply each other for the same phrases from time to time, already causing vomiting ...
            1. iConst
              iConst 19 November 2013 17: 04
              -4
              Quote: iConst
              These are not minusoviks - these are ostriches, conjuring themselves that everything will be fine, there is a revival of everything and everything. laughing

              Cardboard potreota or putreota. I would call - stupid laughing

              They ply each other for the same phrases from time to time, already causing vomiting ...
              Oh what I said!
              Glad they recognized themselves as such! laughing laughing laughing
              1. iConst
                iConst 19 November 2013 17: 37
                -5
                And these same pantreots, worse than an open enemy - they even say bluntly that they have against.
                And these are either completely blind, like kittens, or work for a hidden enemy voluntarily or involuntarily. Still others are knocked off pantaliku. am
                1. iConst
                  iConst 19 November 2013 18: 01
                  -12 qualifying.
                  Hey, minus signers - name yourself and explain yourself! Or are you anonymous snippets? Yes, that's right - miserable pest ostriches.
                  You use the option to view disabled.

                  More cons, monkeys! This is like praise to me. Plus from putreota - like a kiss from tolerast!

                  It is a pity that on this forum there are more putreots than normal people. But, this is correct: normal people mostly work, actively relax and are engaged in other things - apartment repair, for example.

                  And putreots - for the most part, the computers wipe the panties. And hooray putreotic squeals is the limit of their putreotism. laughing
                  1. I am
                    I am 19 November 2013 23: 39
                    +2
                    For "putreota" it is possible and slightly in the end. Maybe it's time for you to go to London though?
                  2. Shur
                    Shur 20 November 2013 21: 22
                    0
                    I did not minus, but who are the "patreots", I do not understand, this is generally a foreign word "PATRIOT. Borrowed in the Peter's era from French. Where patriote <Wed-lat. Patriota, Suf. Derived from patria" fatherland, homeland. "Nothing shorter. They won't even sew an article.
          3. iConst
            iConst 19 November 2013 18: 52
            -3
            Quote: makarov
            Minuses go? Well, I realized.
            I declare openly - Einstein was a Russian scientist ....

            And the x-ray? Think what you say! laughing

            John 4 Vasilyevich used to say to the boyars: "... I can see you, bl..day, all through the open!" am
            1. makarov
              makarov 20 November 2013 04: 27
              +3
              "And the X-ray? Think what you say!"

              U. Konstantin.
              Sorry generously, really overlooked. In addition to Einstein, the original Russian were also Kuhlman, Reisfeder, and Tripod, and many other famous names
          4. kaper
            kaper 19 November 2013 21: 23
            -1
            "Einstein was a Russian scientist ...." - this is not enough, it was also necessary to add that the plane was invented by Mozhaisky, the steam locomotive by Cherepanov, the radio by Popov, the light bulb by Lodygin. Maybe then they will be pardoned.
            1. nov_tech.vrn
              nov_tech.vrn 20 November 2013 16: 16
              -1
              well then an x-ray of Ivan the Terrible.
          5. Valkyrie
            Valkyrie 20 November 2013 12: 23
            +2
            Makarov, study history, the fraternal peoples - Russians, Ukrainians and Belarusians (and many others who now also live in separate Eastern European states) - this is a single Slavic branch that arose in a single vast geographical space. Differences in dialect arose as prevalence in this space and the neighborhood of other peoples. We have common cultural traditions. Is it not clear to you that the Slavic peoples deliberately divided, because our strength is only in our unity? And is it really not clear to you that we are pitted with each other on purpose? It should be clear even to a fool! What does Einstein have to do with it? The Slavs of their greatest scientists have a huge number of such that your Jewish Einstein is not suitable for any of them!
            1. Beck
              Beck 20 November 2013 14: 10
              -4
              Quote: Valkyrie
              Is it not clear to you that the Slavic peoples deliberately divided, because our strength is only in our unity?


              And who are these ill-wishers? Will you name the Valkyrie by name? Who are the Varangians, the Golden Hordes, all kinds of state departments of large and small countries, aliens, otherworldly sinister forces? Who!

              The natural historical course of education from a large large ethnic group of related tribes and peoples is ascribed to someone bad, is it either illiterate naivety or the top of chauvinistic sentiments. The French, Italians, Spaniards and others do not yell that they were specially deliberately divided into separate peoples from the general Romanesque group. Tatars, Kazakhs, Nogais also do not yell that they are not separate nations, but all the Golden Horde, that is, the Turks.

              Quote: Valkyrie
              And is it not clear to you that we are pitted with each other on purpose? It should be clear even to a fool!


              Here is someone normal, there is nothing more to do than bleed. The fool is not clear about the most obvious - the national alienation is provoked by the ardent nationalists themselves, who are called Uroshniki here on the site. That they shout give Ukraine Crimea and Donbass. It is they who want to see Belarus not as a Union State, but as a Russian province. They do not consider the Poles as people (there was a topic about Poland, so that only the Urashniki did not talk about it). And after all this, talking about a single Slavic people is somehow inappropriate.
              1. Shur
                Shur 20 November 2013 21: 29
                -2
                That's when the Chinese get you, you will understand who and what. Live the concepts of the Golden Horde Turks and do not scare people.
                1. Beck
                  Beck 20 November 2013 21: 48
                  +1
                  Quote: Shur
                  Live the concepts of the Golden Horde Turks and do not scare people.


                  You read one, from my comment, didn’t think of it and said what horrible. Whom did I scare? Or it’s hard for you to comprehend what you read.
                  1. Shur
                    Shur 20 November 2013 22: 27
                    0
                    I got the point. The categorization is straightforward hierarchical. The history of the Slavs goes from tribes to unification. Not the other way around. Naturally too. I assert on the basis of what is drenched in the blood of my great-grandfathers. Unfortunately, both the Germans and the Poles were engaged in genocide in their attempts to seize the territory of Russia. You need to reasonably assess the interlocutor. I read it as it is "Tatars, Kazakhs, Nogays, too, do not shout that they are not separate peoples, but all the Golden Horde, that is, the Turks." You can go further, since Russia is an ulus of the horde, then we too .. In general, your idea is simple, it remains to comprehend like. Always and at all times the principle of divide and rule has been in effect. Where else to divide the Tatars, French, etc.? Who benefits from this at the moment? For what purpose? Comprehend.
                    1. Beck
                      Beck 21 November 2013 08: 11
                      +1
                      Quote: Shur
                      I get the point. Categorization is directly hierarchical. The history of the Slavs goes from tribes to unification. Not the other way around. Naturally, too.


                      You seem to understand nothing. If the formation of peoples from one root you put upside down. In short - from one tribe of Slavs gradually, from time to time new Slavic peoples formed, and not vice versa. And dancing from this wrong postulate is ridiculous.
                      1. Shur
                        Shur 21 November 2013 22: 05
                        0
                        As they shared, they merged. I don’t "bet" anything. Now, in short, one people. Judging by the blood, it is different. There is such a science of genogeography. Traces of blood are more accurate than some speculation. So read for this, in short. At the same time, see for what periods the mutation occurs. The presence of a common ancestor does not always mean that this is one people. When and who began to interfere with whom is difficult to say. And if it's really shorter, then who were the Pre-Slavs, not you, and no one knows. What were they called, at the dawn of their birth, are you sure that they were Slavs? I am talking about the people who currently inhabit, live. It was formed from, even if the peoples of the same root, but already divided at that time. Who was there originally is a completely different moment.
                      2. Shur
                        Shur 21 November 2013 22: 37
                        0
                        And yet, if, in your opinion, the division naturally went according to kind, then when it is pitted, then this cannot be called natural. And it is worth yelling and throwing. The natural separation of tea did not occur in decades. No, listen, be smart. I read it as it is and answered as it is. In the originality did not go deep. They know generally in the forefathers of the Africans are found.
                      3. Shur
                        Shur 21 November 2013 22: 55
                        0
                        Somehow you too generally serve everything. About those who once divided, we are not talking. Speech by a comrade for those who are being shared right now. And so if you start ... We’ll leave far. No need to smear like that in time. Half of Europe trample on Slavic lands, the peoples themselves are expelled. The rest was divorced both by religion and along the border. The Croats, say, are the same Serbs who benefited from dividing them. It is natural? He is talking about the fact that tomorrow even whom the thread will be announced by the sending Cossacks. There are always interests. It’s one thing they themselves parted, and another thing, excuse me, they divorced.
                      4. Shur
                        Shur 21 November 2013 23: 44
                        0
                        I initially said that I fundamentally disagree with your "naturalness" of separation, in relation to this article. If you say Golden Horde, then automatically you are talking about different peoples, and not just about the Turks. That is, it is an empire. If we take our situation, then we are not talking about the "Russians", but about the Russians, at least with the fact that we are like that do you agree? Now this people of ours is being divided, there are Ukrainians. We are by no means strangers, but now we are different people. They were "invented", no more. They live by it now. Who! Germans, Poles, Austro-Hungarians in different variations and combinations. And they imposed faith and simply corroded the very concept of Russian. Let the others be silent, and we will speak! If all Slavic peoples do not "breed", they will be able to unite normally and naturally. I believe it will be. I do not at all urge everyone to be brought under Russia, that is not the point. And such a moment, after all, Russia, let you dispute it, did not engage in genocide. I mean, by nature, many Slavic peoples simply disappeared in Europe.
                      5. Shur
                        Shur 22 November 2013 01: 24
                        0
                        Such a moment, what I understand as a "Slavic people", is an association of just the Proto-Slavic tribes (those that diverged in clan from a common ethnic group). That is why he wrote that the "history of the Slavs" as peoples is the fusion of those very tribes. On the grounds that different Proto-Slavic tribes entered the Russian people. I think so precisely because "The R1a1 haplogroup is most widespread in Central Asia, South Asia, Central and Eastern Europe: among Lusatians (63%), Poles (about 56%), Ukrainians (44%), Russians (34— 55%) [1], Khotons (82%) [2], Belarusians (50%), Lithuanians (34%), Latvians (39%), Kazan Tatars (33-34%), Bashkirs (26%) (among Bashkirs of Saratov and Samara regions up to 48%) [3]; and in Central Asia: among Tajiks (19-64%), Kyrgyz (63%), Ishkashim residents (68%). Moderate distribution in Scandinavian countries (23% in Iceland , 18-19% in Sweden and about 27% in Norway), in Iran (from 4 to 25%?) [4]. " I consider the Slavs in relation to the Proto-Slavs as a new ethnos, formed by the merger of clans earlier, as you wrote, naturally separated from different roots.
                        You bring that there was one big Slavic tribe. I call him Proto-Slavic. Like this.
            2. Shur
              Shur 20 November 2013 21: 26
              -1
              In Ukraine, it is customary to exaggerate and distort, so it is more noticeable .. In general, as always, "civil strife" turns out. We must move away and not let bully. They were separated just for this.
          6. POBEDA
            POBEDA 20 November 2013 18: 47
            0
            Einstein was a Jew ..
          7. Shur
            Shur 20 November 2013 20: 11
            0
            Now those who call themselves Ukrainians are completely lost people, but the time will come to "collect stones." I speak from myself, as from a descendant of the glorious Western Slavs.
        2. domokl
          domokl 19 November 2013 09: 33
          25
          Quote: makarov
          Actually, Nikolai Vasilievich was a Ukrainian,

          laughing You are probably the first one among the Ukrainians to admit ... And then, even for some reason, he is absent from the school curriculum ... Yes, and the gogol himself never once wrote, I am Ukrainian and live in Ukraine laughing He’s some sort of Little Russia ... And all the time he described this very country laughing
          1. iConst
            iConst 19 November 2013 16: 27
            -8
            Quote: domokl
            ... Yes, and the gogol himself somehow never wrote, I am Ukrainian and I live in Ukraine ...

            But Pushkin - finally a nigga! laughing
            1. Ascetic
              Ascetic 19 November 2013 22: 14
              +3
              Quote: iConst
              But Pushkin - finally a nigga!


              No way Bebik himself granted the site the truth only at a young age


              Quote: Ascetic
              "Russian literature was created mainly by Ukrainians, Jews and, of course, one ethnic Negro - Pushkin."
              Valery Bebik - doctor of political sciences, candidate of psychological sciences, professor, vice-rector of the Ukraine University.
        3. demon184
          demon184 19 November 2013 09: 34
          10
          and I thought Ukrainian is a geographical reference
          1. POBEDA
            POBEDA 20 November 2013 19: 05
            0
            Like "Tambovites" or "Transbaikalites". Thank God it does not occur to them to demand independence and recognition by the language of a funny dialect with a bunch of borrowed key verbs. Like the verb musiti, to be due .. Borrowed from the German mussen - to be due.
          2. Shur
            Shur 20 November 2013 21: 31
            -1
            We think so, they believe. The result is one, they seem to be there (Europe), and we are here in Russia.
        4. baltika-18
          baltika-18 19 November 2013 10: 56
          11
          Quote: makarov
          There are experts that under their influence he "naval" the nth part of his horror stories

          Can you say a name to experts?
          Therefore, it’s still a minus from me. Prove that I can change my mind.
        5. Ascetic
          Ascetic 19 November 2013 12: 36
          23
          Quote: makarov
          Actually Nikolay Vasilievich was Ukrainian, Well had a fashionable at that time craving for t.s. cultural drugs. Some experts say that under their influence he "faked" the nth part of his horror stories, such as "Viy".
          Hence the conclusion, you never know what N.V. could say stoned.


          Indeed, the fact that Gogol was Ukrainian can only be argued under the influence of the same cultural drugs. And also Kolobok, Ryaba Chicken. Moreover, Maria Magdalena, before her remorse, is a typical Ukrainian. As well as Ukrainians were Buddha. Achilles and ancient Egyptian pharaohs.
          Ukrainians were Buddha, and Achilles, and the pharaohs
          And also forgive, Lord Jesus Christ himself
          It seems that Christ actually lived three thousand years before his “canonical” birth and spoke (like Nefertiti) in the Coptic language, similar to the language of the ancestors of modern Ukrainians, ”the Voice of Ukraine reported.
          “The ancient world got its name from the pra-Ukrainian tribe of Ants. And if these ancestors of Ukrainians were imperfect and undeveloped, would the modern Western world be proud of the ancient era, ”the Verkhovna Rada newspaper said

          link

          "Russian literature was created mainly by Ukrainians, Jews and, of course, one ethnic Negro - Pushkin."

          Valery Bebik - doctor of political sciences, candidate of psychological sciences, professor, vice-rector of the Ukraine University.
          Does Valery Bebik use hard drugs?
          Great Ukrainian Genghis Khan

          P / S / Today I hold my fists for the national team of Ukraine. I wish you victory and the fortress of the Slavic spirit in the battle with the French! All Russian fans and football Russia for you!
          1. Kars
            Kars 19 November 2013 12: 42
            +1
            Quote: Ascetic
            Ukrainians were Buddha, and Achilles, and the pharaohs

            Are you jealous?
            1. svp67
              svp67 19 November 2013 12: 43
              17
              Quote: Kars
              Are you jealous?
              No, it’s just not clear - AND WHEN did they SUCCESS?
            2. Ascetic
              Ascetic 19 November 2013 14: 43
              17
              Quote: Kars
              Are you jealous?


              Sure. Especially Kolobok-Ukrainian
              1. Kars
                Kars 19 November 2013 15: 32
                +1
                Quote: Ascetic
                Sure. Especially Kolobok-Ukrainian

                So envy in silence. And then you even feel a little sorry. How hard it is to bear.
                1. Ulan
                  Ulan 19 November 2013 15: 51
                  +9
                  No! We will "envy" loudly to please you. lol
                2. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 19 November 2013 16: 42
                  +7
                  Quote: Kars
                  So envy silently

                  Is there anything?
                  1. Kars
                    Kars 19 November 2013 16: 47
                    +1
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    Is there anything?

                    If you don’t envy anything. Problem then.
                    1. Alexander Romanov
                      Alexander Romanov 19 November 2013 16: 51
                      0
                      Quote: Kars
                      If you don’t envy anything. Problem then.

                      So envy or not, clarify.
                      1. Kars
                        Kars 19 November 2013 17: 03
                        +1
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        So envy or not, clarify.

                        Yes, as you like. Ascetic won envies.
            3. Ulan
              Ulan 19 November 2013 15: 48
              +3
              No, it’s just not clear why Martians and Pithecanthropus were not included in this list. lol
              1. Val_y
                Val_y 19 November 2013 16: 21
                24
                How it is not entered, even as entered laughing
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 19 November 2013 16: 41
                  +2
                  Quote: Val_Y
                  How it is not entered, even as entered

                  Kars, kindly comment laughing
                  1. Kars
                    Kars 19 November 2013 16: 42
                    +1
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    Kars, kindly comment

                    photoshop?
                    1. Alexander Romanov
                      Alexander Romanov 19 November 2013 16: 50
                      +6
                      Quote: Kars
                      photoshop?

                      Well, here’s your time, photoshop right away, but what about the history of Ukraine and its first lad Adam ..iiii his wife Eve wink
                      1. Kars
                        Kars 19 November 2013 17: 05
                        +1
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        Well, here’s your time, photoshop right away, but what about the history of Ukraine and its first lad Adam ..iiii his wife Eve

                        Brand photoshop of such a low-educated Ukrainophobe of your knight.
                        As for Adam and Eve, I don’t know, can you give me a link to the approved textbook of the history of Ukraine where this question is highlighted? Maybe it is with you and people like you who have paranoia?
                      2. Apollo
                        Apollo 19 November 2013 17: 13
                        +6
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        Well, here you go, photoshop right away


                        But this is not photoshop. Unfortunately reality
                      3. pahom54
                        pahom54 19 November 2013 17: 21
                        +4
                        for apollon
                        This is someone who wants to make an ax-bashka - his own, a stranger, or both at once ???
                      4. Apollo
                        Apollo 19 November 2013 17: 30
                        +5
                        Quote: pahom54
                        to yours, a stranger or both at once ???

                        Most likely, but it’s unfortunate that interestingly, the face of Ilham Aliyev did not flinch, and the face of Viktor Yanukovych, all the same, a little flinch. Imagine when the saber is waving in the face, what ?!
                      5. Ruslan67
                        Ruslan67 19 November 2013 17: 50
                        +9
                        Quote: Apollon
                        Apollo

                        That damn thing doesn't change request Again dropped out of circulation for a week due to a busy schedule drinks wassat come and the same sad Only new toadstools crawled out like after the rain Hello mate hi
                      6. alone
                        alone 19 November 2013 20: 19
                        +4
                        and the guy is great, another in his place would be lost, but he would not, did everything as if as it should have been)
                  2. iConst
                    iConst 19 November 2013 17: 26
                    +4
                    "And then I found a loophole -
                    parted quilted jacket
                    and landed in a flowerbed of flowers ..
                    "V. Vysotsky

                    But how famously I caught!

                    PySy - what is the fate of the Evon?
                  3. Kars
                    Kars 19 November 2013 17: 28
                    +3
                    So what? They showed us in the news.
                  4. alone
                    alone 19 November 2013 20: 20
                    +3
                    Quote: Kars
                    So what? They showed us in the news.

                    Niche Kars, excellent reaction of the head of the guard of honor) well done guy))
                  5. Ascetic
                    Ascetic 19 November 2013 20: 41
                    +4
                    Quote: lonely
                    Niche Kars, excellent reaction of the head of the guard of honor) well done guy))


                    If there was a fishing line, or even better, a thin elastic band to match the color of the body, then the cap would not fall
              2. Ascetic
                Ascetic 19 November 2013 17: 41
                +9
                Quote: Apollon
                But this is not photoshop. Unfortunately reality


                Bad luck in the army when the cap falls. I had a similar case. In my youth, I was in the regiment in the znamenny group as the denominator. We had a regimental banner with a precast shaft, that is, the pole consisted of two parts that were twisted using a special brass nozzle with a screw. So the thread was slowly erased, and naturally, when the screw was screwed in, it was invisible at first, and when you walk with Znamen in a combat step in the shoulder position from the resonance, the broken-up screw starts to twist out, which happened to me at the next solemn ceremony in the presence of high lamp-shaped ranks from the Moscow Region itself. And now, in the middle of the parade ground, I feel that Znvmya (still heavy in itself) is about to fall and so that the generals do not see the right hand from the rostrum, I manage to intercept the cloth from under the pole, throwing it forward onto the left shoulder, while pressing the joint of the pole on the shoulder, the flag touches the cap, it falls, an assistant picks it up on the fly and, on the fly, it claps back onto my head.
                The generals then explained these circus manipulations with a short-term unexpected gust of wind. As a result, ZNSh received a penalty with the deprivation of EDV. In the case of a repetition of such a clowning, they promised me the same thing.
                It’s not for nothing they say -Who served in the army does not laugh at the circus.
              3. Ascetic
                Ascetic 19 November 2013 17: 48
                +9
                By the way, in the video, the flag of the Ukrainian Navy is stylized as the Kaiser Sea Flag. Only a blue cross.
              4. fon_Stierlitz
                fon_Stierlitz 19 November 2013 22: 51
                +1
                Nothing he is stylized, do not carry nonsense. The usual practice of building a flag for the Navy. For example, the English flag of the Navy
              5. Ascetic
                Ascetic 19 November 2013 23: 16
                +1
                Quote: fon_Stierlitz
                Nothing he is stylized, do not carry nonsense. The usual practice of building a flag for the Navy. For example, the English flag of the Navy


                The Teutonic symbolism of the naval flag resumed in the Ukrainian state in 1918. In February and April of that year, German and Austrian troops captured almost the entire territory of Ukraine. In late April, the Germans dispersed the Central Rada, and the hetman Skoropadsky came to power.
                It was under him that the naval flag of Ukraine appeared, similar to the German one. The lieutenant general of the Russian army Pavel Petrovich Skoropadsky approved as a stern flag of the Ukrainian Navy tracing paper from the German Kaiser stern.

                On July 28, 1992, on the Slavutich ship of the Ukrainian Navy, which was being commissioned, the state flag of Ukraine was raised on the gafel due to the absence of an approved flag of the Navy.

                In November 1992, the stern flag, modeled on 1918, and the jack — a blue cloth with a trident — were raised on the Slavutich ship.
                Flags of the Naval Forces of Ukraine
              6. fon_Stierlitz
                fon_Stierlitz 19 November 2013 23: 31
                +1
                . The lieutenant general of the Russian army Pavel Petrovich Skoropadsky approved as a stern flag of the Ukrainian Navy tracing paper from the German Kaiser stern.
                Well, firstly, not by the Russian lieutenant general, but by the hetman of Ukraine. And secondly, where did you get the idea that it was shot under the tracing-paper and precisely from the German flag? There is such a thing as a pattern. In this case, the British and German flags served as examples of the layout, but there is no need to talk about direct copying, especially since various options were considered, including the Andreevsky flag.
              7. makarov
                makarov 20 November 2013 04: 47
                0
                SW fon_Stierlitz.
                Do not dare to argue, otherwise the heirs of the Union of Michael the Archangel will begin targeted spitting.
                Just agree that Skoropadsky was originally a Russian person (by the way, he really was a Russian general), the same as Comrade. Kaiser and Comrade Bismarck.
            4. Beck
              Beck 20 November 2013 01: 22
              +2
              The article is delirium of the patient and crying of the terrified.

              How can a country like RUSSIA to be without INDEPENDENCE on all aspects of the signs ???

              Russia at least from Peter the Great has not looked back at anyone and is pursuing a policy in accordance with the interests of the state.

              How can you say that the "banana republics" have more independence than Russia?

              Nonsense and weeping.
            5. makarov
              makarov 20 November 2013 04: 58
              -2
              U. Beck.
              You have allowed yourself an "unconventional statement". The Nazis and the Shoviks won't like it. You will be recorded in the notebook of unreliable, that is, "not theirs."
              Do not duplicate, my friend, rumors that compromise power; for the dormant ear does not hang below, but the mouth.
              И.Г.
            6. Shur
              Shur 20 November 2013 21: 41
              0
              From your bell tower, yes, unconventionally. Are you independent in all respects?
          2. air defense veteran
            air defense veteran 20 November 2013 10: 18
            +2
            You are not alone in the perplexity of the lack of full sovereignty in Russia.
            Perplexity can be sincere (according to your feelings, all this is "delirium and crying"; however, "sensation" and "knowledge" are different things); and feigned (when you know the author is right, but call him "sick" to hide him from others).

            Suppose your perplexity is sincere.
            We open the current Constitution of the Russian Federation of 1993.
            Art. 2 Man, his rights and freedoms are the highest value.
            Art. 17.1. In the Russian Federation, the rights and freedoms of man and citizen are recognized and guaranteed in accordance with generally recognized principles and norms of INTERNATIONAL LAW ...

            Thus, it is not the peoples of Russia, according to their age-old traditions, who decide the issue of their "rights and freedoms", but they are indicated to us from beyond the hillock. We MUST answer "Yes!" And follow the instructions.

            Art. 13.2 "No ideology can be established as state or mandatory."

            That is, Russia and its peoples do not and cannot have an IDEA OF EXISTENCE! Why do we live? What are we aiming for? Apartment, car, full refrigerator? Is that all? And if you already have it? Then plow to change things for more "cool"? So this is even below the "American Dream". You will involuntarily drink from such a "meaning of life".

            Art. 15.4 "... If an international treaty of the Russian Federation establishes other rules than those provided by law, then the rules of the international treaty are applied."

            This means that we can pass any laws, but if another "Gorbachev" flips a piece of paper from the West that is contrary to our national interests and internal laws, we will answer "Yes!" and we will act to our own detriment, but according to this full-time piece of paper!

            Art. 29.2 "Propaganda or agitation inciting social, racial, national or religious hatred and enmity is not allowed"
            Art. 29.4 "Everyone has the right ... to disseminate information in any legal way."
            Art. 29.5 "Freedom of the media is guaranteed. Censorship is prohibited."

            All this means that the media can twist pornography and chernukha for 24 hours, distort the history and memory of the people, depress them, talk about dismembering the country, etc. NOT !!!

            It can be continued that the rights and obligations of the President of Russia correspond approximately to the rights and duties of an official below level 20 in the hierarchy of the USSR. That the Central Bank of Russia - Russia does not belong and is not subordinate to anyone in Russia, etc.
            But even the above is enough for a literate person to think: "But something really is wrong! This is the Constitution of a NOT a sovereign country. It is more like a colonial" constitution. "

            Not so long ago it was FORBIDDEN to even stutter in the media about "RUSSIA'S LACK OF SOVEREIGNTY"! Now the PRESIDENT is already talking about this openly!

            He who has ears, let him hear!
            Hearing - think about it!
            Realizing the problem - will begin to ACT!
          3. Beck
            Beck 20 November 2013 11: 32
            +1
            Quote: Air Defense Veteran
            Perplexity can be sincere (according to your feelings, all this is "delirium and crying"; however, "sensation" and "knowledge" are different things); and feigned (when you know the author is right, but call him "sick" to hide him from others).


            Well, I have not Perplexity, but Rejection of the Crying sucked from my finger and it is Sincerely.

            About your excerpts.

            Quote: Air Defense Veteran
            Thus, it is not the peoples of Russia, according to their age-old traditions, who decide the issue of their "rights and freedoms", but they are indicated to us from beyond the hillock. We MUST answer "Yes!" And follow the instructions.


            To today's, world, Understanding of Human Rights and Freedoms, mankind has gone all its history. Having passed slavery, feudalism, the initial wild capitalism. Nobody, from behind the hillock, insisted that Russian lawyers introduce art. 2 and 17.1. Do not want these articles gather like-minded people and eliminate them from the constitution, you will live with homebuilding of the Russian Middle Ages.

            The rest of your excerpts are a distortion of meaning and turning it to absurdity. It is impossible to live in the modern world without interconnection with it, since at the moment the economies of countries are parts of the world economy and directly affect each other.

            About six years ago, in America, two mortgage banks went bankrupt. And what we were concerned about these banks and the housing problems of Amers. (There is not even an article on this in the Russian constitution) So no, the whole World has been shaken economically and are still sneezing.

            TO BECOME ABSOLUTELY FREE (or independent) BECOMING TO BE A SLAVE OF LAW (or the norms of modern existence).

            Mark Thulius Cicero.
          4. Vlaleks48
            Vlaleks48 20 November 2013 20: 17
            0
            Before verbally verbally addressing a person who has literally honored the Constitution of the Russian Federation, you are kind enough to just make out one single rule - who has a wallet, he is the master of his actions!- The Central Bank does not belong to the government and people of Russia!
            Look at our money, there is no coat of arms of Russia.
          5. Beck
            Beck 21 November 2013 08: 03
            0
            Quote: Vlaleks48
            Before verbally speaking in such an indiscriminate way to a person who literally praetirovat the Constitution of the Russian Federation


            He quoted so quoted, but why should clear language be twisted and ascribed to them the meaning of which was not mentioned at all when writing. The Constitution is a legal document, and one of the main rules of jurisprudence states - It is read as it is written and is not interpreted in any other way.

            Quote: Shur
            Be happy for your flag and homeland. Why is it so stuck? We will decide how to live here, maybe we will be according to the Bible, go and also advise my "true Kazakhs". And do not forget to become a "slave to the law" in the understanding of a certain Roman leader. Start with yourself, why advise others?


            This is the true position of the scarecrow. A little more and you start to scandal and be rude. Why such sites? To exchange opinions. And you do not poke around, but we ourselves with a mustache. I do not like my koment, do not read, put me on the black list, then it’s business. It is simply absurd to hear from such as the author and you inadequate babble that belittles one of the great states of the world with a rich history - Russia. Russia does not have sovereignty, it is under the heel of someone. Rave.
          6. Shur
            Shur 23 November 2013 16: 36
            0
            Call it what you want. For me, you are a general person with experience. Gluing your labels is great. It is not about the absence of independence, but about the fullness of sovereignty. Moreover, the constitution was written under the strong influence of universal people.
            Then, under EBN, for the sake of "democracy" and friends could write and not like that. The advisers under him were full of Western intelligence officers and others. It seems they were not happy about Russia. Your vyser is also not tolerant as I see it. Rudeness? Scandal? Note about this I did not write. I have one motive - I worry about my people. What is yours?
          7. Shur
            Shur 23 November 2013 16: 43
            0
            You know, on one forum, I followed the link to the article, I also objected to some Kazakhs and not only, who wrote that Russian de generally trample on the Turkic culture, they adopted everything from it. Themselves simply trampled on it, that in their language there are entirely Turkic words, the basis of Sanskrit was the Turkic languages ​​... Everything in that spirit. They clearly explained to me there that you, as a Russian, go and study your culture, now we’ll figure it out without people like you. Do you understand the meaning? Here's something like this "pound". They can be understood, I then get a representative of the oppressors.
          8. Shur
            Shur 23 November 2013 17: 10
            0
            If I hurt, I apologize, but it is not pleasant when the country is full of problems sown by "lovers of law and democracy." Neither one nor the other is more. There is a problem in this and you can not wear "rose-colored glasses". Moreover, to listen to from the outside, that everything is fine, there are no problems, everything is natural, you are hysterical crying and wailing out of the blue. Here and there, common people are constantly broadcasting to us, but how can you touch something so purely national interests. How so? And laws are riveted to the interests of individual countries and norms with rules. Geopolitics, there are no universal laws, there are only interests. This is clearly visible. And if something is not solved by force, then it is poisoned from within. Only the one who dictates laws and rules to others is not dependent now. The rest is beautiful chatter and declarations.
    2. Shur
      Shur 20 November 2013 21: 45
      0
      Be happy for your flag and homeland. Why is it so stuck? We will decide how to live here, maybe we will be according to the Bible, go and also advise my "true Kazakhs". And do not forget to become a "slave to the law" in the understanding of a certain Roman leader. Start with yourself, why advise others?
  2. Shur
    Shur 20 November 2013 21: 40
    -1
    Stupidly, not your mind business. His point of view on the situation in his camp.
  3. Ascetic
    Ascetic 19 November 2013 23: 18
    +1
    Quote: fon_Stierlitz
    do not carry nonsense


    Do not so zealously attack the opponent. You can get a ban.
  4. Kars
    Kars 20 November 2013 11: 17
    +1
    Quote: Ascetic
    You can get a ban.

    Why did they go so far? We would better follow saba, and moderators like Romanov like your friends.
  5. Shur
    Shur 20 November 2013 21: 37
    0
    Where ordered, and sewed :)
  6. kaper
    kaper 19 November 2013 22: 21
    +1
    And what’s the problem, everything happens. And it’s so cool, I caught a cap with a sheath.
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  8. Kars
    Kars 19 November 2013 18: 11
    +1
    Quote: Corsair5912
    The first amoeba from which life on earth began was yellow-black

    You there from the envy of saliva do not choke on that.
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  • Ascetic
    Ascetic 19 November 2013 17: 08
    +9
    Quote: Val_Y
    How it is not entered, even as entered


    Well, yes, before Ukrainians were called Neanderthals, but then this name was somehow forgotten. Over a generation, the entire population of Ukraine will sacredly believe in this nonsense. The main thing is not to bother them. Everything goes according to plan. Stupidity must develop and mature. It’s like a substance on the boots of Lieutenant Rzhevsky: if it dries up, it will fall off itself.
    Last year, Ukraine showed a film study "DNA-portrait of the nation" and talk-show "DNA." A sensation of the capital. "With the help of German scientists, they made a sensational discovery that finally revealed to the Ukrainians the truth about their origin - that they genetically have nothing in common with the Russians, are pure Aryans, and that the Ukrainians are hostages of a false theory about the unity of the origin of the Slavs.
    Ukrainians in general and Ukrainian women, in particular, are the ancestors of all of Europe, we are 45 years old, a Ukrainian woman throughout history has formed the European image of the nation, therefore Ukrainians are closer to genetically European rather than Russian Asian values, and therefore Ukrainians should choose integration with EU, not with the Customs Union!


    For greater persuasiveness for the viewer, people known and loved by many viewers are invited to the TV channel.
    To the credit of one of them - he refused, about which he wrote on his facebook: (clickable)
    1. Misantrop
      Misantrop 19 November 2013 17: 13
      +5
      Quote: Ascetic
      Ukrainians used to be called Neanderthals
      What Neanderthals are you talking about? What does these young mottled goldfinches have to do with it? Petercanthropus this tribe was called (from where the name came from) laughing
    2. kotvov
      kotvov 19 November 2013 18: 37
      0
      Yes, debelism is flourishing, eco how they (super-Ukrainians) pushed.
      1. Shur
        Shur 20 November 2013 21: 47
        0
        Yes, you see, everyone decided their questions, just like the Poles, they have one problem "Russian"
  • Misantrop
    Misantrop 19 November 2013 15: 53
    +9
    Quote: Kars
    Are you jealous?
    It would be something to envy. The great deeds of ancestors are good when they are backed up by no less merit of descendants. Otherwise, the only definition of the current carriers of the ethnos is unambiguous - degenerates, the last. Consuming and plaguing the heritage of great ancestors ... sad
    1. Kars
      Kars 19 November 2013 15: 57
      +1
      Quote: Misantrop
      It would be something to envy.

      Well, do not envy.
      Quote: Misantrop
      The great deeds of ancestors are good when they are backed up by no less merit of descendants.

      what joy is this? What is changing in retrospect?
      Quote: Misantrop
      Otherwise, the only definition of the current carriers of the ethnos is unambiguous - degenerates, the last.

      or is it evolution? Yes, and the world is changing.
      1. Misantrop
        Misantrop 19 November 2013 16: 23
        +2
        Quote: Kars
        maybe this is evolution?
        In the course of this evolution, the worms have lost the digestive system and organs for collecting external information. Remained pure parasites, not viable in isolation from the feeding organism. Do you wish Ukraine the same "evolution"? what
        1. Kars
          Kars 19 November 2013 16: 28
          +2
          Quote: Misantrop
          In the process of this evolution, worms

          Have you remained a monkey?
          Quote: Misantrop
          Do you wish Ukraine the same "evolution"?

          I wish her prosperity, not digging in the past.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 19 November 2013 16: 39
            +4
            Quote: Kars
            I wish her prosperity

            Joining the EU wassat
            1. Kars
              Kars 19 November 2013 16: 46
              +4
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Joining the EU

              it may very well be. As long as I don’t observe prosperity in the TS. What kind of rumors are there about the closure of the Tagil Metals Combine?
            2. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 19 November 2013 16: 56
              +1
              Quote: Kars
              It may very well be. As long as I do not observe prosperity in the TS.

              Well, for you there is no argument + 10 billion bucks in the treasury of Ukraine.
              Quote: Kars
              What kind of rumors are there about the closure of the Tagil Metals Combine?

              I have no idea, did not even hear
            3. Walker1975
              Walker1975 19 November 2013 17: 17
              +1
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Well, for you there is no argument + 10 billion bucks in the treasury of Ukraine.


              Why not 100? Where do these numbers come from? As the next Glazyev rides and the closer to Vilnius - the more numbers. I remember Putin started with 3 billion.
            4. kaper
              kaper 19 November 2013 22: 26
              0
              Probably there will be up to 20 billion, Azarov’s words about the overpayment for gas, they decided to return in this way.
            5. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 20 November 2013 05: 04
              +1
              Quote: Walker1975
              Why not 100? Where do these numbers come from? Like another Glazyev

              Without Glazv, you yourself will calculate how much Ukraine pays for gas, oil duties and get the amount. Or is it weak?
          2. Kars
            Kars 19 November 2013 17: 19
            +1
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Well, for you there is no argument + 10 billion bucks in the treasury of Ukraine.

            To promise does not mean to give. And how many minus for these 10 billions? 20-40? How much did Belorus receive by the way? How much did it give?

            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            I have no idea, did not even hear

            And you take an interest, and even the prospects of the Russian aluminum industry.
          3. Kars
            Kars 19 November 2013 17: 26
            +3
            This is probably necessary in the next article about the Russian Federation without lies, etc.
            http://v-fedotov.livejournal.com/246459.html

            The metallurgical production of Uralmashzavod, the largest enterprise in the Urals, has already been stopped for a month. By the end of the 2013, the steelmaking, forging and pressing, foundry and chipping workshops will be closed with the subsequent liquidation. Officially, this closure is temporary. Allegedly, the Board of Directors should develop a plan for the reorganization of the plant. However, the factory newspaper “For Heavy Engineering” is sure that the workshops will never be opened again, the people who worked in them will be fired, and it is planned to build a large residential quarter with entertainment and trade establishments on the site of the plant.

            In fact, in the capital of the Urals, a crisis is brewing today, and, in words from a Soviet textbook, a "revolutionary situation" is created: poverty, unemployment, social humiliation, resentment, in the end, for the destruction of not just the largest Ural plant, but an entire era in history cities and countries, - laments the portal "Orthodoxy and World", which is not at all a radical opposition site aimed at "rocking the boat".

            And this is not bending Ukraine, but the great Russian Federation. Probably optimization.
      2. Shur
        Shur 20 November 2013 21: 50
        0
        How do you catch the negative air about Russia, are you already drowning in a warm EU?
  • Misantrop
    Misantrop 19 November 2013 16: 55
    0
    Quote: Kars
    did you remain a monkey?
    Teach your own independent story. Protoucrion is ancient monkeys. Somewhere just behind the dinosaurs. Not warm-blooded, as it was warmed by a vodka with fat wassat
    1. Kars
      Kars 19 November 2013 16: 58
      +4
      Quote: Misantrop
      Learn your own independent story

      What is the textbook approved by the Ministry of Education of Ukraine?
      Quote: Misantrop
      Protoucrion ancient monkey.

      Well, you do not pretend to protoucra? Means everything about you and the monkey is legitimate.
      Quote: Misantrop
      , as warmed with a vodka with fat

      It can be seen that you also don’t know the anatomy and physiology. The vodka does not warm. But fat and an energetic food product.
    2. Normal
      Normal 19 November 2013 23: 42
      0
      Quote: Kars
      In cocoa ...

      In tОcom
      You can also see anatomy and physiology do not know

      Of course we don’t know where we are ...
      In addition to physiology, we do not understand anything in cyberAtics ...
    3. Kars
      Kars 20 November 2013 11: 19
      +1
      Quote: Normal
      In

      What is the current? Name, year of issue, publisher.
      Quote: Normal
      Of course we don’t know where we are

      Well, this is understandable.
  • Shur
    Shur 20 November 2013 21: 48
    0
    Degeneration evolution, yes, it is so customary for you now. Fine.
  • morpex
    morpex 19 November 2013 21: 18
    +3
    Quote: Misantrop
    It would be something to envy. The great deeds of ancestors are good when they are backed up by no less merit of descendants. Otherwise, the only definition of the current carriers of the ethnos is unambiguous - degenerates, the last. Consuming and plaguing the heritage of great ancestors ...

    Awesome! Good idea! Plus to you! It’s just that it applies in full measure both to Ukraine and to Russia. At least in this round of history ... crying
  • velikoros-xnumx
    velikoros-xnumx 19 November 2013 16: 09
    +6
    Quote: Kars
    Quote: Ascetic
    Ukrainians were Buddha, and Achilles, and the pharaohs

    Are you jealous?

    Apparently you are even too late to condole.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 19 November 2013 16: 13
      +6
      Quote: velikoros-xnumx
      Apparently you are even too late to condole.

      Condolences are always in time-Condolences .... tore two button accordions laughing
    2. Kars
      Kars 19 November 2013 16: 29
      +3
      Quote: velikoros-xnumx
      Apparently you are even too late to condole.

      From a person with your nickname? And what can I expect? You will not praise yourself, will the Dagestanis laugh?
      1. velikoros-xnumx
        velikoros-xnumx 19 November 2013 19: 35
        +3
        Quote: Kars
        From a person with your nickname? And what to expect?

        You tell me about my nickname probably for the third time. What is wrong in it if it’s not difficult? Or to be proud of belonging to one’s people, to its history, to be proud of their ancestors is now shameful. Well, of course I realized, I’m urgently changing my nickname to Velikoukr-88, sorry hi
        1. Kars
          Kars 19 November 2013 20: 15
          +1
          Quote: velikoros-xnumx
          You tell me about my nickname probably for the third time.

          And what have you changed him so that I don’t write?
          Quote: velikoros-xnumx
          What is wrong in it if it’s not difficult?

          Third time?
          Quote: velikoros-xnumx
          Or be proud of belonging to their people, to its history, to be proud of their ancestors is now shameful

          You express so poor pride? And who are the Great Russians? You seem to owe pride to the Russians.
          Quote: velikoros-xnumx
          Well, of course I realized, I’m urgently changing my nickname to Velikoukr-88, sorry

          With this phrase you proved that you have neither a sharp mind, nor wit.
          and the last word also showed that you do not respect your language so much.
          1. velikoros-xnumx
            velikoros-xnumx 20 November 2013 09: 31
            +1
            Quote: Kars
            Are you expressing so poor pride? And who are the Great Russians? You seem to owe the Russians.

            What is the wretchedness, argue? Let me explain there is no Russian people as such, there are Russian peoples - Great Russians (in today's understanding Russians), Little Russians (Ukrainians) and, of course, Belarusians. Well, firstly, not
            Quote: Kars
            proud.
            , and be proud, and secondly there is no such ethnic group as Russians. Do not confuse citizenship and nationality. Under the USSR, we were Soviet citizens, but we remained Russian.
            1. Kars
              Kars 20 November 2013 11: 23
              +1
              Quote: velikoros-xnumx
              What is the wretchedness, argue?

              Think about it yourself. A couple of days - I don’t understand, explain how to protrude wretchedly and even with exaggerated extensions.
              Quote: velikoros-xnumx
              Let me explain there is no Russian people as such, there are Russian peoples - Great Russians (in today's understanding Russians), Little Russians (Ukrainians) and, of course, Belarusians.

              Who told you this? You are Russian. Although you probably have such inferiority complexes that at least somewhere should be - GREAT
              Quote: velikoros-xnumx
              Under the USSR, we were Soviet citizens, but we remained Russian.

              but not the Great Russians.
            2. Shur
              Shur 20 November 2013 21: 58
              0
              It’s not shameful to be with GOD, it’s bad to be without God. BOGGY doesn’t outcast. Although I don’t know your great language, my mother speaks your Ukrainian as well.
      2. Shur
        Shur 20 November 2013 21: 53
        0
        You just took the idea from him .. Now he's just Kars.
  • Shur
    Shur 20 November 2013 21: 33
    0
    No, laughed.
  • makarov
    makarov 19 November 2013 12: 48
    -1
    Uv.Stanislav.
    In your comments "banter" (?), Or are you really that dense and impolite person?
    1. Ascetic
      Ascetic 19 November 2013 19: 34
      +9
      Quote: makarov
      Are you really that dense and uncivil person?


      Yes, I am a wild and dense uncouth Muscovite.
      1. Apollo
        Apollo 19 November 2013 19: 51
        +2
        Quote: Ascetic
        Yes

        how can I not remember looking at the picture. laughing
  • Kars
    Kars 19 November 2013 14: 19
    +2
    according to estimates, I see that it’s enviable all the same. And what will happen if we even bite the elephant’s homeland))))))))))))))
    1. Walker1975
      Walker1975 19 November 2013 15: 33
      +1
      And Ukrainians have no right to history and culture. They should rejoice only as part of Russia. Let them be generally satisfied that the history of Russia begins on their territory and that Russian heroes performed feats on its land. (Sarcasm);)
      1. Misantrop
        Misantrop 19 November 2013 15: 49
        +9
        Quote: Walker1975
        Ukrainians have no right to history and culture.
        Separate - undoubtedly Have you ever tried to write a separate history of your hand or leg? Regardless of the rest of the body? But an arm or a leg - it would still be hell with him. For some reason, Ukraine has a history of ass (no matter how long you dig - one "guano" around) lol
        1. Kars
          Kars 19 November 2013 16: 00
          +1
          Quote: Misantrop
          Separate - undoubtedly

          and then what to speak with you? One thing saves you that you are not a Ukrainian, but a person who was forced to remain in the occupied territory. It is only incomprehensible that his son was sent to the Ukrainian army that he could not go to the Dagis in the Russian Federation?
          1. Misantrop
            Misantrop 19 November 2013 16: 15
            14
            Quote: Kars
            and what after that to speak with you? one thing saves you that you are not Ukrainian
            Do you know how to speak? And not to speak "the ultimate truth", not subject to discussion? belay My grandfather did not speak Russian at all, only in mov (normal). What didn’t stop him from building tunnels near Amur before the war, the Baikal tunnels during it (they didn’t even let go to the front, SO this country needed this railway line), and the metro in Kiev after it (for which he received an apartment on Khreshchatyk, a simple worker ) That's just this 100% Ukrainian until the last days I didn't even want to HEAR about "nezalezhnosti" and separate autonomous existence without the rest of Russia. So I'd rather take an example from him than from Judas, looking for "where the sandwich is thicker" ... request
            1. Kars
              Kars 19 November 2013 16: 38
              +1
              Quote: Misantrop
              And what, can you talk?

              Are you in doubt
              Quote: Misantrop
              And not to speak "the ultimate truth", not subject to discussion

              when was it like this for me? Besides giving assessments to the mental development and erudition of some individuals? but even then I agree to debate on this topic.
              Quote: Misantrop
              My grandfather did not speak Russian at all, only in mov (normal).

              So you according to your own concepts degenerate?
              Quote: Misantrop
              Which didn’t stop him from building tunnels under Cupid before the war,

              Yes, it didn’t interfere with the construction of article 58)))

              Quote: Misantrop
              But this 100% Ukrainian, until his last days, did not even want to HEAR about "Nezalezhnosti

              Well, tell me to take your word for it? And it was scary in those days to even hear about this, especially if there was no good forest nearby.
              Quote: Misantrop
              ... So I'd rather take an example from him than from Judas, looking for "where the sandwich is thicker" ..

              Well, you slammed your chance in 1991, now listen to Judas whose ALREADY sandwich is nowhere thicker and whose daughters live in the Netherlands.
              1. Misantrop
                Misantrop 19 November 2013 16: 48
                11
                Quote: Kars
                Yes, it didn’t interfere with the construction of article 58)))
                Was there a concrete slab under the oak tree from which it crashed upside down? belay What does the article of the Criminal Code to the miner-sinker have to do with it? And later - to the metro builder? He traveled with his family, his father managed to change 10 schools in 11 years
                Quote: Kars
                order me to take your word for it
                Am I suggesting something? Are you in the market? I tell the facts, and to believe or not is not my problem. And I buried my grandfather several years ago, he still managed to find this fucking square, which IMHO crippled him ...
                Quote: Kars
                you slammed your chance in 1991
                This chance was stolen from me while I am in the autonomous region. By the way, if it were not for the guard then the curators of the collapse would have rushed to share themselves, they would have resisted ...
              2. Kars
                Kars 19 November 2013 16: 55
                +1
                Quote: Misantrop
                What does the article of the Criminal Code to the miner-sinking

                And what was it impossible to use the labor of the ZK? And am I a telepath?
                Quote: Misantrop
                it didn’t stop him from building tunnels near Amur before the war, the Baikal tunnels during it

                That there was no labor of prisoners on these objects?
                Or do you want to say that they didn’t take it with the article?
                Quote: Misantrop
                Am I suggesting something?

                Well then, I shouldn’t, especially believe you.
                Quote: Misantrop
                And I buried my grandfather several years ago, he still managed to find this fucking square, which IMHO crippled him ...

                Etozh how old was he? If you are already far from young.
                Quote: Misantrop
                This chance was stolen from me while I am in the autonomous region.

                And that they came from the autonomous region, they broke the vest and took Belovezhskaya Pushcha.
                Quote: Misantrop
                By the way, if it were not for the guard then the curators of the collapse would have rushed to share themselves, they would have resisted ...

                In 1993-95 ... curators ... could get anything. But for some reason they didn’t. So you don’t have to ascribe something to yourself. In 1991, the USSR without you also had a multimillion army that could destroy Eurasia with its own disorder.
              3. Misantrop
                Misantrop 19 November 2013 17: 11
                +4
                Quote: Kars
                That there was no labor of prisoners on these objects?
                Or do you want to say that they didn’t take it with the article?
                PIECES specialists worked there, able to ensure the QUALITY of the work performed. Those tunnels still serve without repair. The ancillaries, on EXTERNAL work, may have been from the s / c. Do not know request
                Quote: Kars
                Etozh how old was he? If you are already far from young.
                In those days they lived longer. My mother’s grandmother told me about the imperial couple’s arrival in Yalta, which she personally observed at the age of 10. She was born in 1903.
                Quote: Kars
                In the USSR, in 1991, and without you, a multimillion army was
                Not without me, but with me, I retired in 1993. So from that I don’t separate the army request
                Quote: Kars
                came from the autonomous region, the vest broke and took Belovezhskaya Pushcha.
                The vests did not tear, there was no such habit. But with the GKChP three days on alarm had to sit, all the teams were waiting. SOME turned out to command ... request
              4. Kars
                Kars 19 November 2013 17: 17
                +1
                Quote: Misantrop
                PART specialists worked there,


                Quote: Misantrop
                The ancillaries, on EXTERNAL work, may have been from the s / c. Do not know

                And more is not required.
                Quote: Misantrop
                In those days they lived longer

                Which ones? My 1912 did not live up to the independence of the Russian Federation (probably three wounds affected)

                Quote: Misantrop
                Not without me, but with me, I retired in 1993. So I’m not separating myself from that army

                Well, you stuck out the strategists, then you separated. Without you, the other few millions turned out to be nobody.

                Quote: Misantrop
                . By the way if it weren’t guarded then then the curators of the collapse would rush to share themselves, to hell would resist ..

                )))))) ugly, but expected of you.

                Quote: Misantrop
                The vests did not tear, there was no such habit.

                Well no one is perfect.
                Quote: Misantrop
                But with the GKChP three days on alarm had to sit, all the teams were waiting.

                Pulnut in Moscow?
              5. Ascetic
                Ascetic 19 November 2013 20: 49
                +2
                Quote: Misantrop
                But with the GKChP three days on alarm had to sit, all the teams were waiting. SOME turned out to command ...


                We, too, even issued ammunition to the NZ, APCs to the eyeballs. Then they ordered to protect themselves along the perimeter of the BSP. So they sat for three days.
          2. Ulan
            Ulan 20 November 2013 10: 31
            +1
            Your mistake is that you are trying to talk to him like a normal person, and this is an ordinary boor bruised by Svidomo.
          3. Kars
            Kars 20 November 2013 11: 27
            +1
            Quote: Ulan
            and this is an ordinary boor, bruised by Svidomo.

            Well, why is ordinary, just true.
            and bruised, but yes, by sovlomism, and by Russian great-chauvinism. reading the representatives of which I begin to better understand our Bendera. This is now that I live in Ukraine as an independent state, and I imagine how it was about the Russian empire and the beginning of the USSR, when these principles were still breaking down by internationalism.
          4. Shur
            Shur 20 November 2013 22: 48
            0
            Do you have a pure national situation there, no visitors? Did they say on TV? I probably already see the 20th khokhlushka in the "burqa" here. Damn your girls like. If the people won from "independence from the Russians," then they are only glad. The main thing is not to see "these poor Russians" in all the problems again.
  • Ulan
    Ulan 20 November 2013 10: 29
    +2
    However, you have a hypertrophied inferiority complex.
    Some kind of childish resentment in every word.
    Well, instead of answering each word - "himself", tell us something more intelligent. For example, about the "separate" history of South Russia, now called Ukraine.
  • Walker1975
    Walker1975 19 November 2013 17: 21
    +2
    And tell me? Do Russian history textbooks teach the history of the Golden Horde (as an integral part of Russia) or of the peoples who lived during the time of Olga, Svyatoslav, Igor, Oleg, Vladimir in the Moscow Region? Or do you also learn the history of only certain regions of the Russian Federation?
    1. fon_Stierlitz
      fon_Stierlitz 19 November 2013 23: 01
      0
      Teach, teach, do not worry. Not in detail, of course, but affected in the program. Only I did not understand what this speech was for?
      1. Walker1975
        Walker1975 19 November 2013 23: 41
        0
        It would just be interesting to read a Russian history textbook.
        1. fon_Stierlitz
          fon_Stierlitz 19 November 2013 23: 47
          0
          It would just be interesting to read a Russian history textbook.
          Yes please

          http://www.alleng.ru/d/hist/hist196.htm
      2. makarov
        makarov 20 November 2013 05: 14
        0
        "They teach, they teach, don't worry ..."
        And now dear ones, I will surprise you a little. In the Russian school exam in history there is one of the questions (and the correct answer) with reference to one of my historical research. And with my name and surname. Truly true is the saying "the king favors, but the huntsman does not favor."
        "Dogs" won how many are now divorced in Russia.
        1. fon_Stierlitz
          fon_Stierlitz 20 November 2013 19: 19
          0
          And what kind of question is this, if not a secret?
  • makarov
    makarov 19 November 2013 17: 47
    +6
    ".. For some reason, Ukraine has a history of an ass (no matter how long you dig - one" guano "around) .."
    So that’s the wise guy!
    My grandfather burned out in a tank near Brest
    The second grandfather returned from the war with a disabled person of group 1
    My grandmother was arrested and sentenced to death for clandestine activities.
    My great-grandmother who carried her food was also arrested.
    Great-grandfather was stolen to Germany, fled and wandered home for 4 months
    My mother, a 2-year-old girl, lived alone after about two months of adult arrest.
    So put your tongue in the goose .. and don’t whip huh..nu, Or do you have your own chauvinistic story .... ???
    1. Misantrop
      Misantrop 19 November 2013 18: 31
      +6
      Quote: makarov
      So that’s the wise guy!
      Well, to call you a nerd in response would be too much optimism, don’t complain request Open textbooks of independent history and make sure that all your relatives fought against the "true patriots" of this state. We have ONE history, different interpreters request
      1. Kars
        Kars 19 November 2013 18: 49
        +1
        Quote: Misantrop
        o all your relatives fought against the "true patriots" of this state

        can a screenshot of the textbook page? do not be a balobol. and that the textbook would be approved by the education of Ukraine.
      2. makarov
        makarov 20 November 2013 05: 19
        0
        "Open the textbooks of independent history and make sure that all your relatives fought AGAINST the" true patriots "of this power ..."
        My dear !!! What the hell tutorials ??? I’ve retired 6 years earlier. What is it about ??? What right are you non-industrial ?!
        1. Misantrop
          Misantrop 20 November 2013 11: 06
          +1
          Quote: makarov
          What the hell tutorials ???
          What textbooks? Ordinary, Ukrainian, modern. For which, for example, Kars studied (the result of SUCH training is higher, that for literacy, that for everything else) lol
        2. Kars
          Kars 20 November 2013 11: 14
          +1
          Quote: Misantrop
          For which, for example, Kars studied (the result of SUCH training is higher, that for literacy, that for everything else)



          It’s strange, but there’s no screenshot of the textbook. And I say that it wasn’t in my textbooks. However, according to history, I was fine.
          Quote: Misantrop
          that for literacy, that for everything else)

          By the way, everything else - you show a very level, especially in logic and thinking, it is clear that this is not given to you, I can’t vouch for your literacy either. Since I didn’t check it.)))
  • Ulan
    Ulan 20 November 2013 10: 36
    +3
    I feel sorry for you. But you rewrote the story and now your heroes are not your grandfathers and grandmothers, but Bandera and Shukhevych.
    You would have to burn with shame before the memory of your heroic relatives, and here you are arranging tantrums.
  • POBEDA
    POBEDA 20 November 2013 19: 31
    +1
    I think that the most worthy grandfathers and grandmothers would bitterly know that the great country for which they shed blood was destroyed ... And that the Russian brothers are biting, finding out which of them is more Russian and which is more Ukrainian.
  • Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 19 November 2013 16: 14
    +1
    Quote: Walker1975
    And Ukrainians have no right to history at all

    Does Ukraine have a story? or are you talking about these 23 years of wandering
    1. Walker1975
      Walker1975 19 November 2013 17: 34
      -6
      Do not believe it. Unlike Russia, there is. The history of the people who lived on the same banks of the Dnieper and before Kievan Rus and after its decline to the GDL, then the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, then in the Russian Empire, the UPR, the USSR and now. Faith, life, mentality, culture, language were preserved.

      But somehow I can not figure out the history of Russia. At first there was nothing. Then the history of Russia began on the territory of Ukraine, then suddenly some kind of jump 1000 km to the north ... and now there is real Russia there (although there was no such name, but the territory was subordinate to the Horde and the princes went to the khans for labels for reigning) , then the accession of the entire territory of the Horde to China, but at the same time the state was considered precisely the roots of Kievan Rus.

      But the Germans, with their Holy Roman Empire, did not get the idea to call Italy a sub-state without history (after all, in the time of Rome, the state of Italy was not) and say that only they are the real heirs of the Roman Empire. And in general, after several looting of Rome by barbarians, all the Romans, including the inhabitants of Italy, took and moved somewhere in the Bavarian region. Now they are the only and true descendants of the Romans. No, the Germans lack Russian imagination.
      1. Corsair5912
        Corsair5912 19 November 2013 18: 31
        11
        Quote: Walker1975
        Do not believe it. Unlike Russia, there is. The history of the people who lived on the same banks of the Dnieper and before Kievan Rus and after its decline to the GDL, then the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, then in the Russian Empire, the UPR, the USSR and now. Faith, life, mentality, culture, language were preserved.

        Crank, there was no Kievan Rus, there was one Russia with one culture, gods, language, customs. Kiev rose by 200-300 years, when there was a way from the Varangians to the Greeks, due to duties from merchants, and fell into insignificance when the crusaders and then the Turks captured and burned Constantinople.
        Trade routes moved to the Oka Volga and Moscow rose. The usual trade competition, not some capital cities.
        1. Walker1975
          Walker1975 19 November 2013 19: 24
          +2
          Perfectly. Was Russia. Where was its territory? Who lived in this territory? Where was her capital?

          And tell me, that the entire population has crossed the trade routes? So Rome has fallen. There was the Holy Roman Empire in the West, and Byzantium in the east. But these are already separate other countries, of course they are historically connected with the Roman Empire, but their existence does not erase the history of Italy after the fall of the Roman Empire and does not transfer all the status of the Roman Empire into them.
          1. Corsair5912
            Corsair5912 19 November 2013 20: 28
            +5
            Quote: Walker1975
            Perfectly. Was Russia. Where was its territory? Who lived in this territory? Where was her capital?

            Russia in the 8-10th century was in Eastern Europe, from the Volga to the Bug and the Dniester, from the Baltic to the Black Sea. 85-90% of the settled population of Russia were Slavs, the rest of the population of Mordovians, Meria, Bulgars, etc. did not exceed 10-15%. The nomads es-s-but roamed and were not included in the statistics.
            In the early Middle Ages, there were no capitals in Europe and in Russia in the early Middle Ages, there were territorial military-economic centers. In Russia it was Kiev, Suzdal, Yaroslavl, Novgorod, etc. Capitals appeared 300-400 years later, with the advent of absolutism.
          2. Shur
            Shur 20 November 2013 23: 03
            0
            A person will have a culture shock when he learns how the "kind" Bavarians slaughtered the Slavs from morning to night.
    2. Ulan
      Ulan 20 November 2013 10: 47
      +2
      Some set of phrases. Who jumped to the North? Novgorodians? Pskov?
      If the name Russia was not, then what do you think was the name?
      What could be the roots of Kievan Rus if the Vyatichi lived in the basin of the Oka and Volga, simultaneously with glades?
      There really was no "Kievan Rus" in history. There was a medieval state of Rus (Russia) with its capital in Kiev.
      This single state was formed from two parts: Novgorod (northern) and Kiev (southern).
      It was Novgorod prince Oleg who united these two parts of Russia, appointing Kiev as the capital.
      Hence it went that Russia from Kiev has roots. In fact, the roots are from different places.
      All that you listed Kievan Rus, ON, Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, this is all good, this is the history of these states. And where is Ukraine somewhere?
      Something of this name I did not see.
      It turns out strange - there was no state with that name, but he has a history.
      Well, in principle, anything is possible in Ukraine. lol
      1. Corsair5912
        Corsair5912 20 November 2013 20: 49
        0
        Quote: Ulan
        This single state was formed from two parts: Novgorod (northern) and Kiev (southern).
        It was Novgorod prince Oleg who united these two parts of Russia, appointing Kiev as the capital.
        Hence it went that Russia from Kiev has roots. In fact, the roots are from different places.
        All that you listed Kievan Rus, ON, Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, this is all good, this is the history of these states. And where is Ukraine somewhere?

        Eastern Slavs, before baptism, lived on an area of ​​about 2 million square meters. km It was one of the oldest nations in the world, united by a common language, religion, economy, etc. There were no parts, capitals and borders; people moved freely. And in the big cities that used to be trade centers, there was a nominal administrative power of the princes. In fact, Russia was the rule of Veche, who appointed princes and adopted laws.
        After baptism, most principalities refused to accept the faith of others, a civil war broke out for 100 years, and a single Russian state broke up into 250 principalities. At the Lubech Cathedral (1097), an agreement was adopted to end internecine wars.
        But the western part of Russia in the 13th century was temporarily captured by the Litvins (not Lithuanians), and then by the Poles in the 15th century.
        The south of eastern Russia in the 13th century came under the temporary influence of the so-called Golden Horde. There was never any Tatar occupation, the entire Horde power was limited to collecting tribute in the amount of 10% of income, and even that was paid irregularly with a delay of decades.
        Throughout Russia, the same people still lived, who did not stop trade and communication with each other, but were administratively subordinate to different nominal centers.
        Monarchical states in the Russian territories were formed and strengthened by the 15th century, the unification of lands began, the Grand Duchy of Russia and Great Russia arose. That's when the liberation of Russia from foreign dependence and unification began.
        No "Kievan" Rus and "Ukraine" before the 16th century EU-s-but never existed and could not exist.
      2. Shur
        Shur 20 November 2013 23: 09
        +1
        As a period of 9-12 centuries I simply designate it "Kievan Rus", no more. Just when they stand apart, they need their own chronicle. They talk about "Kievan Rus" there, no worse than we have here, that the Slavs are 1000 years old, and before that they dangled wild in the woods, until they shaved off Cyril and Methodius.
    3. POBEDA
      POBEDA 20 November 2013 19: 41
      0
      Everything is fine, but if everything is so, then why is this state not called Kievan Rus, Rus, or something like that, but Outskirts, i.e. a piece on the edge of something bigger?
  • Normal
    Normal 19 November 2013 23: 59
    0
    Quote: Walker1975
    Let them be generally satisfied that the history of Russia begins on their territory and that Russian heroes performed feats on its land. (Sarcasm);)


    Here it is! Let us all share! There was nothing to begin the history of Russia in the territory of another state!
    Oh, the Russian heroes did not know that they were doing feats abroad (banter over sarcasm)
  • Shur
    Shur 20 November 2013 22: 08
    0
    (Marasmus). Once Russia, then whose heroes? What is it that throws you so? What a contagious mania. The main thing is that these are our common ancestors.
  • Misantrop
    Misantrop 19 November 2013 15: 56
    +2
    Quote: Kars
    And what will happen if we even encroach on .. the elephant’s homeland)))))))))))))))
    The ancestors of the elephants were mammoths. Their remains are regularly found in the beds of Siberian rivers. And - in large numbers. In Ukraine, the remains of mammoths (more or less well preserved, were found only in the Marble Cave in Crimea) request
    1. Kars
      Kars 19 November 2013 16: 06
      +1
      Quote: Misantrop
      Mammoth ancestors

      Are you sure of that?
      Quote: Misantrop
      Their remains are regularly found in the beds of Siberian rivers.

      And where did they come from? And besides Siberia mammoths were not found anywhere?
      Quote: Misantrop
      In Ukraine, the remains of mammoths (more or less well preserved, were found only in the Marble Cave in Crimea)

      and then probably from domesticated
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 19 November 2013 16: 16
        0
        Quote: Kars

        and then probably from domesticated

        Kars, is it really a reserve near Kiev for 12 ..., then it’s again our Russian-Rus, however, welcome wassat
      2. Misantrop
        Misantrop 19 November 2013 16: 18
        +2
        Quote: Kars
        And where did they come from? And besides Siberia mammoths were not found anywhere?
        Oh, really from Ukraine who do not speak Mow even then tried to survive? laughing
        1. Kars
          Kars 19 November 2013 16: 32
          +3
          Quote: Misantrop
          x on mov already then p

          Already who survived you? I personally have never encountered this anywhere.
          By the way mammoths do you speak Russian?
          1. Misantrop
            Misantrop 19 November 2013 16: 51
            0
            Quote: Kars
            do you think mammoths spoke russian?

            IMHO they did not know how to speak. Consequently - they did not belong to the titular nation. Which (in your opinion) caused their migration to Siberia laughing
            1. Kars
              Kars 19 November 2013 17: 02
              +2
              Quote: Misantrop
              IMHO they did not know how to speak

              Then where
              Quote: Misantrop
              Quote: Kars
              And where did they come from? And besides Siberia, weren't the mammoths anywhere? Oh, have they really tried to survive from Ukraine who do not speak mov?

              is your usual logic failure?
              Quote: Misantrop
              Which (in your opinion) caused their migration to Siberia

              How can language be oppressed if a being cannot speak? Or can you cite facts of discrimination against non-speakers?
              You are such a strange person, if you lick something blurt out. Yes, and where can I see what I was talking about Migration?
            2. Misantrop
              Misantrop 19 November 2013 17: 21
              0
              Quote: Kars
              where can I see what I was talking about Migration?

              Quote: Kars
              And where did they come from? And besides Siberia mammoths were not found anywhere?

              At least you can read your own "rock inscriptions"? lol
              Quote: Kars
              Or can you cite non-speaking discrimination?
              Take your own mobile from your pocket. Wait for the first SMS from the operator. HOW will it be written? Isn't it in English? They don’t have a copy of the control program? Devices that do not understand the Cyrillic alphabet can now only be found in the museum wink This is so offhand, so as not to dig for a long time
            3. Kars
              Kars 19 November 2013 17: 32
              +2
              Quote: Misantrop
              At least you can read your own "rock inscriptions"?

              So then you STATE that they (the Mammoths) came from the territory of Ukraine? (Current) and besides Siberia (where they came from Ukraine) were not found anywhere?
              So?
              Quote: Misantrop
              Wait for the first SMS from the operator. HOW will it be written? Not at mov

              in Ukrainian.
              MTS offers to win an iPad mini.
              Quote: Misantrop
              They don’t have a copy of the control program?

              and what kind of operator do you have?
              Quote: Misantrop
              Not understanding Cyrillic devices
              so maybe this is your problem?
        2. makarov
          makarov 20 November 2013 05: 31
          0
          So the mammoths were exiled to Siberia for dissent, although they bore the ancient nicknames of Ivanov, Petrov, and Sidors. From the proper names of the owners. And the owners themselves got off easily, they only scolded them.
  • Ulan
    Ulan 20 November 2013 10: 49
    +1
    Okay ... persuaded, mammoths came from the great Ukrainians.
  • Egoza
    Egoza 19 November 2013 20: 41
    +1
    Quote: Misantrop
    In Ukraine, the remains of mammoths (more or less well preserved, were found only in the Marble Cave in Crimea)

    Nope! In Kiev, on the street. Proriznoy, when the Komsomolets Ukrainy cinema was being built (repaired), they also found the bones of a mammoth. The noise was ...
  • velikoros-xnumx
    velikoros-xnumx 20 November 2013 10: 42
    +1
    With this phrase you proved that you have neither a sharp mind, nor wit.

    Quote: Kars
    And what will happen if we even encroach on .. the elephant’s homeland)))))))))))))))

    Judging by the comments, only you have a sharp mind and inimitable Great Ukrainian wit
    the last word also showed that not so respect your language

    Those who allow the use of such words as: manager, merchandiser, supervisor, pharmacist, president, minister, business and other words of foreign origin that have exactly the corresponding words in their native language do not respect their language and their culture. One of the first signs of the decline of a people and their culture is such an unjustified borrowing of "other people's" words. I used the word pardonite to enhance the irony, I used it specially distorted not as a substitute for native words.
    1. Kars
      Kars 20 November 2013 11: 34
      +1
      Quote: velikoros-xnumx
      Judging by the comments, only you have a sharp mind and inimitable Great Ukrainian wit

      Try to prove the opposite. Shine with Great Russian wit.
      Quote: velikoros-xnumx
      Those who allow us to use such words as: manager, merchandiser, supervisor, pharmacist, president do not respect their language and their culture in our country

      Your problems.
      Quote: velikoros-xnumx
      I used the word sorry to reinforce irony, applied it to specially distorted ones not as a substitute for my native words.

      What are you saying? Directly irony, straight specifically. It would be something to strengthen.
  • Shur
    Shur 20 November 2013 22: 05
    0
    Envy-A feeling of annoyance caused by the superiority, well-being of another, the desire to have what the other has. Which of the following? Then someone wants to become Ukrainian, so what's the problem? Do you have excessive self-esteem or what? You are all there in an enviable state. I don’t know. My sister is not happy about something. When the mother calls, it doesn’t hurt. We have nothing to envy much, we managed to cut the bottom in the same boat.
  • morpex
    morpex 19 November 2013 20: 58
    +2
    Quote: Ascetic
    Indeed, the fact that Gogol was Ukrainian can only be argued under the influence of the same cultural drugs.

    The question is certainly not simple. If you determine the nationality of the country in which you were born, then yes. Russian. The Russian Empire was at that time. And if by kinship, by roots, then a Ukrainian, a little even with Polish roots. According to family tradition, he came from an old Ukrainian Cossack family and was a descendant of Ostap Gogol - hetman of the Right-Bank Army of the Zaporizhzhya Commonwealth. In the troubled times of Ukrainian history, some of his ancestors molested gentry, and Gogol’s grandfather, Athanasius Demyanovich Gogol-Yanovsky (1738-1805), wrote in an official paper that "his ancestors, the name of Gogol, are of the Polish nation." Although some consider it’s a falsification for gaining the nobility. In general, he’ll break his leg. Where the truth is, where is the fiction ... For example, I consider him to be my own, Ukrainian writer. BUT! He is considered to be a Russian writer, as he was born even in Ukraine, but as I wrote already above, in a country called the Russian Empire. ..
  • nickname 1 and 2
    nickname 1 and 2 19 November 2013 15: 29
    +1
    Quote: makarov
    Actually, Nikolai Vasilievich was a Ukrainian,



    And you, our Russian - living with you in Ukraine when you start "actually" deserved but Russian!
    1. makarov
      makarov 19 November 2013 15: 55
      +6
      And yet, uv. Nikolay, I can add to your general knowledge that the remains of Ilya Muromets are also in Ukraine, and more specifically in the Kiev Pechersk Lavra, which is under the tutelage of the Russian Orthodox Church.
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  • Corsair5912
    Corsair5912 19 November 2013 17: 58
    +6
    Quote: makarov
    In general, Nikolai Vasilievich was Ukrainian, and he had a craving for the ts fashionable at that time. cultural drugs. Some experts say that under their influence he "faked" the nth part of his horror stories, such as "Viy".
    Hence the conclusion, you never know what N.V. could say stoned.

    Nikolai Vasilyevich was Russian, like all inhabitants of Little Russia, "Ukrainian" was a shameful nickname assigned to Little Russians by Poles and picked up by collaborators who climbed into the "noble gentry" and separated themselves from the people.
    The only drug of Nikolai Vasilyevich was religion - that is, "opium for the people." Viy is an authorized artistic retelling of a folk legend or fairy tale, there is nothing terrible in it.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 19 November 2013 20: 48
      +4
      Quote: Corsair5912
      Wii is an authorized literary retelling of a folk legend or fairy tale, there is nothing scary in it.

      Oh! Don't tell! Imagine! If Viy came to a meeting of the Verkhovna Rada in search of sinners and said: "Raise my eyelids!" What will happen to our deputies then? laughing
  • Bazilevs
    Bazilevs 19 November 2013 22: 38
    +3
    To let you know dear makarov, Nikolay Vasilyevich very well understood that Ukrainians, Belarusians and Russians are one Great Russian people, that's why he said so. We are all one people, Russian.
    1. makarov
      makarov 20 November 2013 05: 41
      0
      To let you know the respected Bazilevs, Nikolai Vasilievich was born and lived 19 years in the Poltava region, 12 years in Russia, and 12 years in a foreign country (Germany, France, Italy).
      Therefore, you can say whatever you like. And at the expense of "people" (?), ... Do you at least understand the true original meaning of this word? Do you know the classification of peoples into groups? (I mean not a business group)
  • POBEDA
    POBEDA 20 November 2013 18: 45
    0
    Was Gogol Ukrainian? How is that? Well, he was born near Poltava, so he was then Poltava! And would he be born near Tambov, would there be a Tambovets or something? .. And rightly so, he thought in Russian, he wrote in Russian, he is Russian. It doesn’t matter where he was born, even in Kazan, even in Ryazan, even in Poltava.
  • Vlaleks48
    Vlaleks48 20 November 2013 19: 57
    0
    Goodness! Nikolai Vasilyevich Gogol was from Little Russia! He would have laughed if he had been called so!
  • Sharp
    Sharp 19 November 2013 13: 16
    -2
    A heavy clip, but this is our story.
  • Walker1975
    Walker1975 19 November 2013 15: 28
    +1
    The article is kind of heterogeneous. For something I want to put a plus, but for something a minus. And there are many exaggerations. Either praises how everything is good (excessive), then the same excessive complaints like everything was bad later (and now). Yes, the USSR under Stalin had all the signs of sovereignty, but at what cost? A Soviet person could not be sent abroad without an escort, he could not be allowed to communicate with foreigners, because the comparison in the standard of living was not at all in our favor. So you would like to live in a country of mighty factories and a strong army, but in some hostel without normal furniture, household appliances, electronics, and you can dream of a car only if you are a "responsible worker".

    And don't forget about fear. If you are not a fanatic, then you could really sit down or be shot for a careless word or on the denunciation of an envious colleague or neighbor. By the way, let me remind you how the first comedy "Funny guys" appeared in the country. In the USSR, there were no comedies at all. And only when the statement of foreigners was brought to the top that Soviet people do not know how to laugh, was the resolution launched to create the first Soviet comedy.
    And something I don’t see what the author offers? Hold on to Slavic spirituality?
    1. Ulan
      Ulan 19 November 2013 15: 54
      +6
      Not certainly in that way. The standard of living in the USSR under Stalin did not differ much from the European one. Do not forget that in the 30s there was a severe economic crisis in Europe.
      1. Corsair5912
        Corsair5912 19 November 2013 18: 52
        +3
        Quote: Ulan
        Not certainly in that way. The standard of living in the USSR under Stalin did not differ much from the European one. Do not forget that in the 30s there was a severe economic crisis in Europe.

        In the 30s in Europe there was not only a crisis, but also fascist dictatorships: Spain - Franco, Portugal - Salazar, Germany, Czech Republic and Austria - Hitler, Romania - Antonescu, Hungary - Horthy, Croatia - Pavelich, Italy - Mussolini, Greece - Metaxa, Bulgaria - Tsar Boris.
        1. Ulan
          Ulan 20 November 2013 10: 54
          +1
          Fair addition.
    2. cyberspace
      cyberspace 19 November 2013 16: 25
      +7
      Quote: Walker1975
      the first comedy "Funny guys"


      “Cigarette box from Mosselprom” - 1924, “Cutter from Torzhok” - 1925, “The process of three millions” - 1926, “Feast of St. Jorgen” - 1930. You probably have not heard of these comedies with Igor Ilyinsky.
    3. makarov
      makarov 20 November 2013 05: 43
      0
      Funny when interpreting a scholar
      about our craving for friendship and trust;
      somebody is always sitting in Russia;
      one for spirit, the other for matter.
      И.Г.
      1. air defense veteran
        air defense veteran 20 November 2013 10: 30
        +3
        Why did you put the initials so modestly? Or out of ink? So write that the author of the "work" is the famous RUSSIAN POET-PATRIOT - IGOR GUBERMAN;)))
        What are you ashamed of, "Makarov"?
  • Ulan
    Ulan 19 November 2013 15: 43
    -1
    There are undoubtedly positive changes. But there is also strong opposition. The task is to prevent these forces from reversing the situation.
    Well, the main task is to restore financial sovereignty. As long as we are under the yoke of the dollar and while the Russian State Bank is not dependent on Russia, there will be no full sovereignty.
    1. Shur
      Shur 20 November 2013 23: 44
      0
      The central reserve system is also independent of the United States. We need to multiply people, we need to "back to the village." No one has yet proved that it would be more profitable to dirtiest the district with another chemical. plant or grow crops, livestock. Soon resources (especially clean ones) will become gold. It is quite possible to build a harmonious economy. And not only cast iron, but, for example, produce electronics, etc. Again, our ideas, technologies. Industrialization will not work without people either.
  • Combitor
    Combitor 19 November 2013 23: 20
    +2

    "if at least one Russian farm remains on the ground, Russia will be reborn" ... And this farm is located on Rublevka.
    All you lack in your commentary is the exclamation: "Long live Putin," reviving "Russia and" raising it from its knees "!
    I begin to collect "cons".
    1. makarov
      makarov 20 November 2013 05: 45
      0
      ".. I'm starting to collect" cons "."

      Well, "cons" are not "anuses" yet.
  • Shur
    Shur 20 November 2013 20: 06
    0
    One highly spiritual person was asked, approximately: - "What do you think, why did not communism take place, why did the revolution not take place?" He replied: - "You have not made a soul revolution." Just think, but how right he is ... Who is devoid of vices, who has become purer in soul? No, they started by falling into nowhere. That's the bottom line. Now, you are right, there is an upsurge and it is a pity that the same Christian hierarchs do not keep up ...
  • Boris55
    Boris55 19 November 2013 08: 26
    +4
    Quote: Canep
    ... I would like to know what kind of camp ...

    Whoever treats the "girl" is the one who "dances".
    This is not even a country. We depend on the dollar, I think there is no objection to this?
    Forever Green is produced by a private company called the Fed, to which all countries owe, including the United States.

    It turns out that they also eat madrets who believe that we will print as many rubles as we want, and that "Bark of Russia" belongs to Russia ...wassat
    1. bootlegger
      bootlegger 19 November 2013 09: 09
      -8
      Quote: Boris55
      It turns out that they also eat madrets who believe that we will print as many rubles as we want and that "Bark of Russia" belongs to Russia.

      Stories about the Central Bank not belonging to us are fed up with the order.
      Probably, to print the desired number of rubles, something prevents us, but this is definitely not the Fed. Rather, it is common sense that does not allow us to gobble up the table half to death or revel in delirium tremens. Everything is good in moderation, including the size of the issue of the national currency. Those who remember our financial policies in the 90s will agree with me.
      I already have the impression that conspiracy theology about the dependent Central Bank is being distributed specifically as disruptive information.
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      2. Boris55
        Boris55 19 November 2013 09: 25
        +3
        Quote: bootlegger
        Stories about the Central Bank not belonging to us are fed up with the order.

        Clear. And how do you explain the existence of a stabilization fund that is being buried is not clear what and where it is not clear? Or is it the same myth?
        If we ourselves can print money as much as we want, what for do we need it?
        (It was not in the USSR. We had our own "printing press").

        Only official docs:

        1. bootlegger
          bootlegger 19 November 2013 09: 58
          -13 qualifying.
          No agitation.
          The Chairman of the Central Bank is approved by the President of the Russian Federation and he can remove him at any time. This is a completely dependent figure on him. And the fact that he does not interfere directly and defiantly in his work is just common sense.
          Any financial policy is primarily a control system.
          The stabilization fund is a piggy bank to demonstrate the stability of our financial system.
          If we, instead, not wisely, just stupidly print the right amount of rubles when we need, then who will believe us that we will not do this at any other time? Just that would not suffer with a lack of funds.
          Simply put, when you borrow from friends, you try to pay on time, so as not to spoil relations with them and be able to borrow again? Do you demonstrate your financial responsibility in this way.
          Returning to state financial policy, who will accept our rubles for payment knowing that if necessary we slap them as much as we want?
          I thought that everyone remembers the 90s and what happened to the ruble when it was printed as much as you want.
          The crisis of 98 is an example of such financial anarchy, when T-bills spread with a yield of about 100-200% per annum and the Central Bank covered this by printing the right amount of rubles.
          1. voldmis
            voldmis 19 November 2013 12: 07
            10
            If you print money and give it to the population in the form of higher salaries, pensions, high interest rates on T-bills and deposits, etc. (as Yeltsin and his team did), inflation will undoubtedly be. But if you invest this money in the construction of enterprises, roads, infrastructure and global projects, then there will be no inflation! According to the constitution, our Central Bank does not even have the right to finance the state.

            Article 22. The Bank of Russia is not entitled to provide loans to the Government of the Russian Federation to finance the federal budget deficit, to buy government securities at their initial placement, except as provided for by the federal law on the federal budget.
            The Bank of Russia is not entitled to provide loans to finance budget deficits of state extra-budgetary funds, budgets of constituent entities of the Russian Federation and local budgets.
            1. Ascetic
              Ascetic 19 November 2013 13: 51
              +9
              Quote: voldmis
              Article 22. The Bank of Russia is not entitled to provide loans to the Government of the Russian Federation to finance the federal budget deficit, to buy government securities at their initial placement, except as provided for by the federal law on the federal budget.


              Quote: voldmis
              Article 22. The Bank of Russia is not entitled to provide loans to the Government of the Russian Federation to finance the federal budget deficit, to buy government securities at their initial placement, except as provided for by the federal law on the federal budget.


              That's right. Because our Central Bank practically performs the only function karenci board,By creating rubles ONLY for the purchase of foreign currency (this is the “Carrens Board” system) and keeping the high cost of money (the Central Bank of the Russian Federation rate is 8,25% today - compare with the US Federal Reserve rate of 0%)
              Refinancing rate of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation
              The US Federal Reserve has kept the base rate at a record low - 0-0,25%
              When money is printed for the purchase of foreign currency, naturally the money goes to the economies of the countries where the currency comes from.
              The fact that the purpose of the Central Bank is not the growth of the Russian economy - read Article 75 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation
              2. Protecting and ensuring the stability of the ruble is the main function of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation, which it carries out regardless of other public authorities.

              link
              About whether Putin can remove the chairman of the Central Bank, on what basis, and whether he can pursue his own goal, see article 14 of the law “On the Central Bank of the Russian Federation (Bank of Russia)”.
              link
              Political scientist and economist Sergei Glazyev accused the Central Bank of “folding his hands and is simply a branch of the US Federal Reserve,” and called the amount of Russia's losses from such a policy - $ 30-40 billion
              The financial system of Russia annually loses $ 30-40 billion due to the policy of the Central Bank, which does not place gold and foreign exchange reserves (gold reserves) not in loans to the real sector, but in bonds of the eurozone and the USA. This opinion was expressed on RBC-TV by politician, economist, academician of the Russian Academy of Sciences Sergey Glazyev.
              According to him, The monetary policy pursued by the Russian Central Bank is a continuation of the policy of the US Federal Reserve:
          2. Alexey
            Alexey 19 November 2013 13: 07
            +4
            "... and he can take it off at any time."
            Can not, read the law on the Central Bank. Yes, and claims not by his own free choice, but only from the list presented.

            "There is no need for agitation."
            This is not an agitation, get acquainted first before hanging a shortcut.
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          4. Neil
            Neil 19 November 2013 18: 12
            0
            Hmmmm, so our government cannot be blinded for the development of the country? and the United States can ??? what kind of people, my mom, read Glazyev urgent so as not to suffer from nonsense
        2. Yarosvet
          Yarosvet 19 November 2013 13: 11
          +1
          Quote: Boris55
          And how do you explain the existence of a stabilization fund that is being buried is not clear what and it is not clear where?
          1. Yarosvet
            Yarosvet 19 November 2013 13: 55
            +2
            Quote: Boris55
            And how do you explain the existence of a stabilization fund that is being buried is not clear what and it is not clear where?
      3. Alexey
        Alexey 19 November 2013 09: 49
        +1
        "Probably, to print the desired amount of rubles, something prevents us,"
        The Constitution of the Russian Federation, as well as the law on the Central Bank, interferes. according to them, the Central Bank is independent of the Russian state.
        We definitely do not have financial sovereignty.
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      5. winkiller
        winkiller 19 November 2013 11: 22
        0
        America means common sense is not it time it prints green without a twinge of conscience? Here the question is that as soon as the Russian ruble is issued, there is a loan in dollars for the issued amount of the ruble. And therefore, we do not print anything, and inflation here does not depend on the volume of printed money, but on the percentage at which the dollar is invested!
    2. domokl
      domokl 19 November 2013 09: 37
      12
      The author, if we discard beautiful and abstruse expressions, said a simple truth - Russia has become part of the world and, as part, suffers from exactly the same diseases as the rest of the body.
      The proposal to build another Chinese Great Wall of Independence is stupid. One state cannot develop normally, keeping up with the rest of the world in complete isolation. Look at S. Korea, read the history of China ...
      We are a great country with a great history. And so our independence is not in isolation, but in the creation of alliances of states, where we play a leading role.
      1. Walker1975
        Walker1975 19 November 2013 15: 49
        0
        Quote: domokl
        And so our independence is not in isolation, but in the creation of alliances of states, wherever we play a leading role.


        And here the biggest problem begins: few people want to join such an alliance, because neighbors can join Russian culture even without unions, and Unions, in the specific case for neighbors, will mean admitting to their markets Russian oligarchs who have found money, are often doubtful ways, and ready to buy everything in the bud, a wave of cheap but low quality Russian goods, but at the same time the obstacles to importing their goods into Russia under the guise of non-compliance with standards, regulations or simply from Onishchenok’s mood.

        In general, if Russia wants to become an attractive center of the Union, then it must first be pressed down from the government to the bottom and take into account not only its own interests, but also the interests of the partners who need to be invited to the union.
  • shpuntik
    shpuntik 19 November 2013 08: 49
    +4
    Canep SU Today, 08:06 AM
    The foreign policy of Russia in my opinion is absolutely independent.

    Perhaps this is an illusion. Several generations can grow before it crumbles. Some say that communism is not an illusion, others say that Gd made people different, they cannot receive the same. Tiny truth of life tszt.
  • voldmis
    voldmis 19 November 2013 12: 16
    +1


    Already even officials openly say that we do not have sovereignty with respect to the IMF and other world structures. How is it even more understandable to the population to explain this?
  • SAG
    SAG 19 November 2013 12: 44
    +1
    article +, although I still do not understand what the author offers!?! to build the USSR within its current borders? But I consider it unreasonable to preserve and turn Russian culture into a closed system!
    1. Walker1975
      Walker1975 19 November 2013 15: 51
      0
      I agree. 95% canned culture will consist of praises of the leading role of the party of United Russia and their leaders. Although there will be a number of moral standards: love your homeland, obey your elders, do not ask questions.
  • SEM
    SEM 19 November 2013 13: 02
    +4
    NOBODY ANYWHERE UNCERTAIN RUSSIA AND ORTHODOX STAND AND WILL STAND !!! Brzezhynsky says that the main enemy of the West is Russia and the ORTHODOXY - he is scared to say so. RUSSIA BELARUS UKRAINE THE ONE PEOPLE AND TOGETHER WE WILL WIN.
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 19 November 2013 14: 38
      +2
      The Russian authorities officially profess patriotism, sometimes even moderately imperial, but in practice capitalist cosmopolitanism prevails.
      With such a policy a couple of generations, and we will be late.
  • Shur
    Shur 20 November 2013 19: 45
    0
    NATO countries. Our Constitution prescribes the primacy of certain global norms and laws over national legislation. Russia's foreign policy is done by one person and that's it. No man, no foreign policy. They adjust to their interests. It is always useful to bite a "stuck lion", it can seem much more significant. Russia is dying, not Russia .. Russia is a notion of the Democrats.
  • aszzz888
    aszzz888 19 November 2013 08: 13
    21
    This is how one president, I mean the hunchback, put the entire fate of the peoples inhabiting the former USSR at stake. Last Sunday, on REN TV on the "Military Program" it was said about the US spy M. Gorbachev. With full calculations of who, when, by whom Gorb was recruited. That he had and has for this, up to awards from the United States. To the wall of the dog!
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 19 November 2013 08: 35
      10
      Humpback was awarded the American Medal for victory in the Cold War.

      1. Canep
        Canep 19 November 2013 09: 22
        13
        I think the best reward for a hunchback would be a chainsaw and fresh air from the Perm Territory. I think we need a legal assessment of Gorbachev.
        1. ivshubarin
          ivshubarin 19 November 2013 09: 26
          +3
          You think this abomination knows how to use a chainsaw, only two-handed him
        2. Kiliny
          Kiliny 19 November 2013 10: 48
          +3
          Gorbaty was repeatedly sued in order to evaluate his activities as president of the USSR, but our most humane court, under various pretexts, avoids initiating proceedings. It remains to be hoped that whenever justice prevails
      2. aszzz888
        aszzz888 19 November 2013 10: 31
        +3
        This is an official reward, but there are, like all states, secret orders for rewarding, So the hump goes through them, and those lists and price tags of bryuliks that Raisa were presented with by the brits and mericatos are also in those sec. Orders and reports. And Raisa Misha did not "steer" weakly, only one point at the same time did not go with him, and so ...
      3. Yarosvet
        Yarosvet 19 November 2013 14: 13
        0
        Quote: Boris55
        Humpback was awarded the American Medal for victory in the Cold War.

        1 Link to the source, talking about awarding this trinket tagged, please.

        2 Take a look at the status of this pendant.
    2. pahom54
      pahom54 19 November 2013 10: 28
      +4
      For aszzz888
      What has a hump? The highest award of Russia is the Order of St. Andrew the First-Called, presented to him personally by DAM. The Ameoikan medals fade in comparison with it ...
      1. ivshubarin
        ivshubarin 19 November 2013 10: 42
        +2
        They are with DAM of one berry field
      2. aszzz888
        aszzz888 19 November 2013 11: 03
        +3
        Select the order without any comparisons. Totally agree!
      3. Yarosvet
        Yarosvet 19 November 2013 14: 27
        +4
        Quote: pahom54
        What has a hump? The highest award of Russia is the Order of St. Andrew the First-Called, presented to him personally by DAM.

        What has EBN, and who handed it to him, to remind?

        I remember:
        1. alone
          alone 19 November 2013 20: 28
          0
          What has EBN, and who handed it to him, to remind?

          I remember:

          Yarosvet if EBN would announce you as his receiver, you would also award him)) wink
          1. Yarosvet
            Yarosvet 19 November 2013 21: 18
            +5
            Quote: lonely
            Yarosvet if EBN would announce you as his receiver, you would also award him))

            Yeah - a sickle in the balls and a hammer in the turnip
            1. Apollo
              Apollo 19 November 2013 21: 20
              0
              Quote: Yarosvet
              Yeah - a sickle in the balls and a hammer in the turnip


              brevity is the soul of wit. good
    3. Toporkoff
      Toporkoff 19 November 2013 17: 27
      +1
      This is how one president, I mean the hunchback, put the entire fate of the peoples inhabiting the former USSR at stake. Last Sunday, on REN TV on the "Military Program" it was said about the US spy M. Gorbachev. With full calculations of who, when, by whom Gorb was recruited. That he had and has for this, up to awards from the United States. To the wall of the dog!

      What to do with the rest? With those who swore allegiance to the Soviet Union?
    4. alone
      alone 19 November 2013 20: 26
      0
      Quote: aszzz888
      Last Sunday, on REN TV on the "Military Program" it was said about the US spy M. Gorbachev. With full calculations of who, when, by whom Gorb was recruited. That he had and has for this, up to awards from the United States. To the wall of the dog!


      well yes! They awarded him with the Order of St. Andrew the First-Called, so that later he would put them on the wall? I still remember the words of DAM:
      we remember your work. She deserves a high award. And today I signed a decree on awarding you the Order of St. Andrew the First-Called!
      and you him to the wall
  • Same lech
    Same lech 19 November 2013 08: 17
    +5
    Yes, our state spends many millions of dollars on goals incomprehensible to me in international organizations and events.
    I would rather build a hundred houses for the homeless and provide them with work for a normal life - than AT this large-scale Olympics in SOCHI.
    In RUSSIA there are a lot of problems that need to be solved without delay, so far the authorities have put a triple minus on the work.
  • patriot2
    patriot2 19 November 2013 08: 17
    +3
    Unfortunately, our long-suffering Homeland is dependent, and even very much on the world market (currency and commodity), and this of course did not happen today and not 15 years ago, but earlier - with the advent of Gorbachev and the collapse of the USSR... Therefore, it is worth "farting" overseas - then we have a crisis and 1,8% growth of the raw materials economy per year instead of 5-6% ...
  • Valery Neonov
    Valery Neonov 19 November 2013 08: 19
    13
    To date, Russia has restored partial diplomatic sovereignty- and certainly not thanks to "... a favorable foreign policy situation, the crisis of the United States, which began to lose their positions in the world, retreat ...",rather, the Americans began to lose their position on the world stage because Russia is regaining its diplomatic sovereignty.
    "The Russian language, literature and history should be studied at least at the level of the USSR, they cannot be replaced by the" law of God ", world art culture, the strengthening of multiculturalism and tolerance, Holocaust courses, sex education lessons and other" useful subjects "that are imposed on us by foreign and internal friends. "-It would be foolish to disagree, it's time BACK TO THE USSR.
  • Galinanp
    Galinanp 19 November 2013 08: 24
    0
    At the end of the article, emasculation of the essence of events, and primitiveness of conclusions. And so all this is well known.
  • os9165
    os9165 19 November 2013 08: 35
    10
    Therefore, all attempts by the authorities, even reasonable and correct, to solve individual problems, such as modernization of education, reform of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the Islamist threat, the demographic issue and the problem of public health, cannot lead to complete success.
    Don't tell my slippers. What reasonable attempts, we do not see the results of these reasonable attempts. Serdyuk was thrown into mechanical engineering, but with the current one, the result is the same. In power, the entire bench consists of Serdyukovs. Don't tell my slippers. For Russia, the main problem is the current government itself.
    1. os9165
      os9165 19 November 2013 09: 04
      +7
      Those who are minus.
      Today's people live in a whirlwind. Some have it: earn-spend-earn. For others: to take away, to acquire, not to give. The third has something else ... And no one thinks that our society so stupidly gave into the hands of those whom we call - OLIGARCHS.
      But in order not to give a reason to argue with me, the scoop, etc. I propose to argue with Albert Einstein. He is certainly not a former warrant officer. wink
      I offer the main theses and a short essay by Albert Einstein "Why Socialism?" ("Why socialism"), which he wrote for the first issue of Monthly Review (May 1949).
      We must pay tribute to the courage of both the editor and Einstein himself, who declared their commitment to socialism and Marxism in the midst of anti-communist hysteria in the United States.

      “... The conquering peoples made themselves the legally and economically ruling class of the conquered country. They appropriated a monopoly on land ownership and chose priests only from their ranks. These priests, in whose hands was control over education, made the class division of society permanent and created a system of values ​​that people began to be guided in their social behavior, for the most part unconsciously.

      This historical tradition remains valid. Nowhere have we overcome what Thorsten Veblen called the “predatory phase” of human development. The existing economic facts belong to it, and the laws that we can deduce from these facts are not applicable to other phases.

      And since the goal of socialism consists precisely in overcoming the predatory phase of human development for the sake of a higher one, economic science in its present form is not able to clarify the features of the socialist society of the future.

      Man is both a lonely and social being. As a lonely being, he tries to protect his existence and the existence of those closest to him, satisfy his desires and develop his innate abilities. As a social being, he seeks the recognition and love of other people, wants to share their pleasures, comfort them in grief, and improve their living conditions.

      ... As never before, a person is aware of his dependence on society. But he does not feel this dependence as a blessing, not as an organic bond, not as a force protecting him, but rather as a threat to his natural rights or even his economic existence.

      Moreover, his position in society is such that the selfish instincts laid in him are constantly accentuated, while social, weaker in nature, are increasingly degrading. All human beings, whatever place they occupy in society, suffer from this process of degradation.

      ... The real source of this evil is the economic anarchy of capitalist society. We see a huge productive community, whose members are increasingly striving to deprive each other of the fruits of their collective labor. And not by force, but for the most part observing the established rules by law.

      In this regard, it is important to understand that the means of production, i.e. all the production capacities necessary for the production of both consumer and capital goods can and for the most part are private property of individuals.

      Private capital tends to concentrate in the hands of a few. This is partly due to competition between capitalists, partly because technological development and the deepening division of labor are contributing to the formation of ever larger production units at the expense of smaller ones. As a result of these processes, a capitalist oligarchy appears whose monstrous power a democratically organized society cannot effectively limit.
      1. os9165
        os9165 19 November 2013 09: 05
        +4
        This is because members of the legislative bodies are selected by political parties, and they are somehow influenced and mainly financed by private capitalists, who thereby in practice stand between the electorate and the legislative sphere. As a result, people's representatives do not really protect the interests of the unprivileged sections of the population.

        Moreover, under existing conditions, private capitalists inevitably control, directly or indirectly, the main sources of information (press, radio, education). Thus, for an individual citizen it is extremely difficult, and in most cases almost impossible, to come to objective conclusions and make rational use of their political rights.

        ... Production is for profit, not consumption. There is no guarantee that anyone who can and wants to work will always be able to find work. Almost always there is an “army of the unemployed." The worker lives in constant fear of losing his job ...

        ... The desire for profit, combined with competition between individual capitalists, creates instability in the accumulation and use of capital, which leads to severe depression ...

        ... mutilation of the person, I consider the greatest evil of capitalism. Our entire educational system suffers from this evil. The desire for competition is inculcated in our students; in preparation for a career, they are taught to worship success in acquisition ...

        ... I am convinced that there is only one way to get rid of these terrible evils, namely by creating a socialist economy with its corresponding education system, which would be aimed at achieving social goals. In such an economy, the means of production belong to the whole of society and are used according to plan.

        A planned economy, which regulates production in accordance with the needs of society, would distribute the necessary labor among all its members able to work and guarantee the right to life for every man, woman and child ...

        ... In addition to the development of his natural abilities, human education would set as his goal the development in him of a sense of responsibility for other people, instead of the glorification of power and success existing in our society.

        It must be remembered, however, that a planned economy is not yet socialism. In itself, it can be accompanied by complete enslavement of the individual. Building socialism requires solving extremely complex socio-political problems: given the high degree of political and economic centralization, how to ensure that the bureaucracy does not become omnipotent. How to ensure the protection of individual rights, and with them a democratic counterweight to the power of the bureaucracy?

        Clarity regarding the goals and problems of socialism is of the greatest importance in our transitional period ....
    2. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 19 November 2013 14: 45
      +4
      Quote: os9165
      In Russia, the main problem is the current government itself.

      The problem is that applicants for this place are even worse. The only way out is to unite with the Belarusians, and in the next election to elect the Old Man. laughing
      1. Walker1975
        Walker1975 19 November 2013 15: 56
        +3
        The problem is that only those who can be shown boldly with a finger are allowed into the TV and say - look, they are even worse. And the chances of normal intelligent people to get into power without kinship tend to zero.
  • Gardamir
    Gardamir 19 November 2013 08: 45
    11
    All of this is certainly true. But all the power. Let us ourselves cease at the household level all American that we have. Santa Claus, not Santa Claus. Forget about the incomprehensible Valentine's day. Stop buying Coca-Cola, which is also a really slow poison. Jolly milkman is a derivative of Pepsi-Cola. Stop volunteering, where people do everything voluntarily. You can go on for a long time. Let's start small. The brook will become a full-flowing river.
  • ivshubarin
    ivshubarin 19 November 2013 08: 48
    +3
    All our independence in pro-Western economists, and the independence of the Central Bank from the government
  • RussianRu
    RussianRu 19 November 2013 08: 48
    +3
    The correct article. Only with a question; conducting the Olympics and the World Cup in football, I do not agree with the author. If now in the Russian Federation there would be no private property, as in the USSR. Then I would agree with the author:
    Tens of billions have been and will be spent on the 2014 Winter Olympics in Sochi, and the 2018 World Cup in Russia, which are unnecessary for the people. With the same money, hundreds of gyms and street complexes in schools, kindergartens, technical schools, and higher education institutions could be built or repaired. There would be more public benefit from this.

    Now there is private property, it so happened in the West. Why not let our billionaires take an example, say from Aivazovsky, who did a lot for Theodossia. Although he was not a billionaire.
  • Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 19 November 2013 09: 01
    +9
    And in the article "Real Russia. Without lies and chernukha" everything is fine! And the statistics are given ...
  • saag
    saag 19 November 2013 09: 02
    0
    Quote: Gardamir
    Stop volunteering, where people do everything voluntarily. You can go on for a long time. Let's start small. The brook will become a full-flowing river.

    Not original, at the time of these billiards were proposed to be called a ball-roll, and galoshes were wet-treads, but this did not save from great shocks, not in word, but in deed, importance, in general, an amazing thing you read some comments and see a curious picture people subconsciously or deliberately drift towards the USSR At the same time, it is imperative that Lenin should be mocked, who led to a change in the system and exalted Stalin, who without the first would be no one at all. By the way, this is my opinion, it would be premature to say that Russia is being reborn, becoming an independent, strong country, in light of the possible upcoming closures of city-forming enterprises, such as Deripaska's aluminum plants and others like the Tutaevsky Motor Plant and the resettlement of people to the Far East, where there are no industrial enterprises, where they directly experience an acute shortage of workers. Something can radically change only when the system is changed, the current oligarchy and other "zapadentsy" will not allow any development, it’s to lose the trough, and for such deeds they usually kill.
    1. Bigriver
      Bigriver 19 November 2013 09: 29
      +1
      I also want to be fashionable and tell what we are addicted to winked
      We are still destructively dependent on the economic model of the USSR, which chose a closed economy. We were not able to occupy our niches in the global division of labor, we were late.
      Therefore, unfortunately, we have the only competitive industry with a large share of the intellectual component - the military-industrial complex.
      1. V. Salama
        V. Salama 20 November 2013 01: 31
        +1
        Quote: BigRiver
        We are still destructively dependent on the economic model of the USSR, which chose a closed economy.

        I am not an economist either, but I would dare to assert that we cannot depend on the economic model of the USSR - we now have a fundamentally different economic model. It is not very clear what a "closed economy" is that is not integrated with the Western one or what? But we are now specifically plunged into the WTO. And where is the "destructive dependence on the economic model of the USSR"? Rather, on the contrary, accession to the WTO has a destructive capacity in relation to the remnants of elements of the Soviet economy and even a number of Russian industries.
        Quote: BigRiver
        We were not able to occupy our niches in the global division of labor, we were late.

        We have our own "niches", they are occupied. With the collapse of the Soviet Union, some even lost, or rather, pushed us into niches. We are late"? It is not clear about what. Germany, for example, at one time was late for the redistribution of the world, but here, rather, we are talking about natural resources, and the USSR in this regard was self-sufficient in almost all types of resources. Well, if in terms of "niches", then not only we, but also Europe and America were "late" from China, whose cheap labor force made any production unprofitable.
        Quote: BigRiver
        Therefore, unfortunately, we have the only competitive industry ...

        So ... Why is that why we have this only competitive industry? Because we got it "destructively dependently" from the USSR? Production, for example, of milk and meat in Russia since 1990 has fallen 5 times, the same is about eggs, as well as furniture, shoes ...
    2. Gardamir
      Gardamir 19 November 2013 11: 34
      +2
      Words are important. Words are culture. At one time, he studied enough the debates of the Slavophiles with the Westerners. So your example is incorrect. The word volunteer ceased to sound at all. he was forcibly replaced by a volunteer, so that the wet tines had nothing to do with it.
      As for Lenin-Stalin, they died and God is their judge.
      But then I agree with you. The economy is not only on the rise, it is disappearing, so to speak about the economy. I come from a small town. So here, after the Soviet Union disappeared, all enterprises were closed. Last Dairy plant closed a year ago. Where is the development here?
    3. V. Salama
      V. Salama 20 November 2013 00: 10
      +2
      Quote: saag
      ... at the same time, it is imperative that we cajole Lenin, who led to the change of order and exalt Stalin ...
      This does not come from the people, this is an attitude instilled in the people - the result of the ideological sabotage of homegrown thimblers. First you need to separate Stalin from Lenin (from the communist idea), then the next step is to separate Stalin from Stalin. The people remember and honor Stalin - remember the battle for the "Name of Russia". Only the manipulation of the Patriarch did not allow Stalin to become another symbol of modern Russia. If so, it would be foolish not to use it - the authorities also needed Stalin, but not as the leader of the Soviet state, but only as "the wise father of the nation, a perspicacious politician and a strong hand, mercilessly fighting the opposition" and there is one whom I would like to pull up under this image. The tower is demolished to observe how another ardent anti-Soviet, anti-communist and bear-hunter in one bottle extols Stalin as the greatest political figure on a world scale.
  • Volkhov
    Volkhov 19 November 2013 09: 11
    -6
    Russia's main problem is the loss of full state sovereignty

    But this is not so - the main problem is the loss of logic and, accordingly, the inability to recognize problems.
    - under Stalin there was no sovereignty, only an attempt to create it after the war - the whole war and preparation for it were in the interests of others
    - Georgia is much more sovereign than the Russian Federation, at least Georgians rule there and it is fighting to a lesser extent for America
    - what does the Russian song have to do with this - the Indians are also allowed to walk in feathers ... where are the Russian cruisers?
  • major071
    major071 19 November 2013 09: 33
    +6
    The main loss of Russia is a national idea. Rumbling from corner to corner will never lead to anything good. It is necessary to identify the highest priorities for the state and fully adhere to them, such as the well-being of the people, education no lower than the times of the USSR, medicine, the army, and the restoration of industry. If we even pull up industry to the level of the USSR, then many problems will fall off automatically.
  • report4
    report4 19 November 2013 09: 38
    +3
    It is strange that the sovereignty of Russia (or its absence) is more concerned with residents of various artificial entities such as Ukraine and various personnel from the Baltic territories.
    1. Son
      Son 19 November 2013 12: 45
      13
      I will say for myself ... I just want to go home to the Empire ...
      1. POBEDA
        POBEDA 20 November 2013 20: 30
        0
        Wait a bit, son, there will be an empire! Otherwise, we will not survive!
  • Valery Neonov
    Valery Neonov 19 November 2013 09: 48
    +2
    Quote: os9165
    And no one ever thinks that our society so stupidly gave into the hands of those whom we call - OLIGARCHS.

    Einstein, of course, is a talented devil, I don’t know how all this society gave away ... but I asked someone I don’t remember ..."
    35% of all the wealth of the country (Russia) is in the hands of 110 people. It just doesn't fit in my head. At the same time, 93,7% of Russians have $ 10 or even less for their souls. "

    see http: //www.igt.org/2013/11/18/oligarxi-diktatory-xxi-veka/And you can remember everyone ... by name! hi
  • Bigriver
    Bigriver 19 November 2013 10: 01
    +3
    IMHO, the author has added too many incomprehensible things around simple things. For example, what kind of phenomenon is this: "cultural and conceptual autocracy"?
    Cultural sovereignty? Yes, we can talk about its incompleteness. And here we must start with high-quality secondary education. Moreover, it is not at all necessary for girls to go in kokoshniks at school, and the boys are completely engaged in Russian hand-to-hand combat. History and literature are two key subjects, the volume of teaching of which has been cut three times over 20 years!
    State sovereignty. Syria has shown that THREE states in the world own it: the USA, Russia, China.
    From the article, it is not clear whether the client is dead, or rather alive?
  • Diviz
    Diviz 19 November 2013 10: 11
    -1
    When it comes to them that you need to build a new state in the center of Siberia only with your own hands. I hope the launch site is the eastern beginning of the construction of a large scientific center.
    1. POBEDA
      POBEDA 20 November 2013 20: 32
      0
      In the center of Siberia it is very cold, brrr! Why such exercises?
  • DRON
    DRON 19 November 2013 10: 20
    +3
    Children need to begin to be raised today in the spirit of patriotism and love for the motherland, moreover, to their homeland, otherwise they already make TOLERAS from them, and the history of Russia does not begin from the 14th century AD ....
  • pahom54
    pahom54 19 November 2013 10: 37
    +3
    The article is a minus. Tired of nagging, the author agreed already that Russia is dependent on some countries, some forum users are trying to confirm this by allegedly linking Russia to the dollar ...
    Yes, not Russia is tied to the dollar, but the world economy, and Russia is part of the world community and, under certain conditions, MUST play according to its conditions. Well, they don’t sell us something for rubles, they don’t want to, so we buy for dollars. But this does not mean that the States can completely dictate their conditions to us in everything.
    To say that Russia has lost its state independence - I don’t even know what to call it. SHE IN THE LAST TIME ONLY STRENGTHENS IT! Or do you want to say that Russia was independent with a drunk EBN, dancing and conducting an orchestra during the withdrawal of our troops from Germany? Or was she independent when he handed out this independence from left to right?
    The centuries-old history of Russia suggests that even if there was a temporary dependence on someone (the Tatar-Mongol yoke), all the same, Russia was its whole history an INDEPENDENT AND INDEPENDENT STATE, no matter how difficult it was for it.
    And so, shouting that Russia is dead - why? And who needs it? You don’t like such a Russia — either leave it, or wait for the liberals-pedorals to come to power — then it’s for sure that they will lick the West’s zep !!!
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 19 November 2013 14: 52
      0
      Quote: pahom54
      Tired of nagging, the author agreed already that Russia is dependent on some countries, some forum users are trying to confirm this by allegedly linking Russia to the dollar ...

      Some people read letters, some people make sense. You judge by letters. hi
  • Keeper
    Keeper 19 November 2013 10: 41
    +1
    It is difficult to talk about the loss of sovereignty. If we consider this at the level of an individual country, then the article turns out to be true! If we look at the global level, then we are just now engaged in increasing patriotism, at a time when the rest of the planet’s population is gradually moving away from the so-called borders of statehood!)) And this despite the fact that the European Union is bursting at the seams in economic terms , and America got with its wars on different continents ....
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 19 November 2013 14: 58
      +1
      Quote: Keeper
      that the European Union is bursting at the seams in economic terms,

      Yes, let them crack, we need to build our economy without looking at the rest. And without reference. For self-sufficiency, we have all the resources, and we just sell them, without developing ourselves.
      1. V. Salama
        V. Salama 20 November 2013 02: 02
        +1
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        For self-sufficiency, we have all the resources ..

        It is regrettable to disappoint, but with the collapse of the Union - no longer.
    2. V. Salama
      V. Salama 20 November 2013 02: 10
      +1
      Quote: Keeper
      ... we are just now engaged in increasing patriotism ...

      It seems that in this case we have once again proved that to engage in promotion and promotion is not the same thing.
  • ZU-23
    ZU-23 19 November 2013 10: 48
    -8
    The article is the usual Lala Poplars, who write about Russia for all eternity.
  • mountain
    mountain 19 November 2013 11: 10
    0
    Quote: makarov
    Minuses go? Well, I realized.
    I declare openly - Einstein was a Russian scientist ....

    Flagging and nationality are starting to annoy me. Many, even few are interested, in the statement itself. For what he was minus? Be fair.
  • Python Kaa
    Python Kaa 19 November 2013 11: 14
    0
    On more primitive sites, the article would receive one comment - Thank you, Cap! But we will figure it out.
  • Goldmitro
    Goldmitro 19 November 2013 11: 16
    +3
    <<< It was with the loss of cultural and conceptual sovereignty that the tragedy of the USSR - Russia began. It's simple: for children, heroes and idols are supermen, teenage mutant ninja turtles, barbies and spider-men, lady gagas ....... >>>
    That's it! When from childhood, with the blessing of our liberals - lackeys of Western civilization, the head is filled with all sorts of ninzas, spiders, ... ice-eiders, Madonnas, etc. sexually - fecal crap, what builders of Great Russia, defenders of the unique Russian Civilization can grow up? This is the main and most important front of the 3rd World War, on which the Western civilization has been attacking Russia, Russian Civilization for a long time and, it must be admitted, a successful offensive! Until we cleanse the power governing structures from this scum and do not realize that only ours <<< The state must form the worldview and worldview of citizens, or strangers will do it for it. >>> the result will be catastrophic and no nuclear weapons WILL HELP!
  • Son
    Son 19 November 2013 11: 19
    +1
    I wonder if there are states completely independent, and not dependent on anyone ..?
    1. Canep
      Canep 19 November 2013 11: 53
      -2
      North Korea.
      1. Son
        Son 19 November 2013 12: 14
        +3
        And from China ..?
    2. voldmis
      voldmis 19 November 2013 12: 28
      0
      There are very few of them. Great Britain, USA, partially China
      1. Son
        Son 19 November 2013 12: 42
        +1
        Surprised by this list ...
    3. V. Salama
      V. Salama 20 November 2013 03: 01
      0
      Quote: Son
      ... completely independent, and independent of anyone ..?

      The question is not correct. Everything in this world is interconnected and interdependent. According to the theory of systems, and any country can be represented as a system, a system cannot exist without the exchange of matter, energy and information with the environment. According to another of the branches of knowledge, society (sociosphere) appeared when the behavior of one person was influenced by another (family). But not every influence or lack thereof is harmful.
      Therefore, everything is relative to the threat survival in society. Any independent "Papuans" tribe that is not threatened by another tribe or community of tribes, regardless. A threatened tribe that can handle threats - independently. And also, if not capable, but does not change its behavior, except for increasing the readiness to respond to the identified threat - independently.
      Under the threat here it is advisable to understand the combination of the probability of an adverse event and the magnitude of the possible damage.
  • mountain
    mountain 19 November 2013 11: 37
    0
    If you argue with this approach, then, in principle, not one country in the world already has its own sovereignty. In addition to the wild tribes, yes, civilization has not yet reached.
  • mango68
    mango68 19 November 2013 11: 43
    0
    The article was late, but they say better late than never. History is probably really repeating itself. Now Russia does not have any sovereignty, so - only an appearance, a simulacrum. Instead of a single people, there are some artificially created nations and geopolitical formations, which in the era of imperialism used to be called limitrophes. Belarusians, there was no such nation, appeared with the loss of the Russian people of their freedom and state. Likewise, Ukrainians and Ukraine. And those who are called Russians are the same artificially created nation (and the letters were thrown out of the alphabet, and history was straightened out as needed) and erefia. The reunification of the Russian people and the return of the "legitimate sovereigns" will be a sign of liberation from external control of Russia. In the meantime, "show must go on".
    He smiles when someone says that America has captured us - well, people need a "Reichstag", shob the banner there, etc.
  • abk
    abk 19 November 2013 13: 00
    +3
    The best times for ordinary people were during the years of "stagnation" under the USSR, and I think it will never be possible to return this time
  • an_ursus
    an_ursus 19 November 2013 14: 17
    +4
    It was even sadder. Nevertheless, they realized ...
  • Yarosvet
    Yarosvet 19 November 2013 14: 45
    +1
    Before riveting an article on sovereignty, the author should at least look into the dictionary.
    1. iConst
      iConst 19 November 2013 16: 24
      +3
      Quote: Yarosvet
      Before riveting an article on sovereignty, the author should at least look into the dictionary.

      The author also tells you - imaginary sovereignty.
      Reread an article smile
      1. Yarosvet
        Yarosvet 19 November 2013 20: 42
        0
        Quote: iConst
        The author tells you - imaginary sovereignty

        It’s even all the time that you’re carrying the wrong thing - you don’t ascribe my quotes to me, now you have imaginary sovereignty ...

        You look at the definition - there it is written in black in Russian that sovereignty is when the government independently carries out its functions.

        Do we get Vova & ko from foreign orders? Not? This means that the Russian Federation is a sovereign state-va, and the real all-protractors are those who write such articles and listens to the main all-protector Zhenya Fedorov.
    2. Shur
      Shur 20 November 2013 23: 54
      0
      So he expressed his disagreement with the statement of the second paragraph of what is in the picture. The primacy of national law.
  • dmb
    dmb 19 November 2013 15: 24
    0
    He began to read the comments and was afraid that everything would again come down to whose Gogol was a writer, and the search for a Zionist conspiracy. Thank God nothing happened. even those fellow citizens who call the article "another whining" are encouraging. At least they don't say that we are all already living in great happiness. And that the topic is almost eternal, so suggest others. The disadvantages of the article include only the silence about the ways of coming to the "true independence", not to self-isolation, as some who have apparently already bought the tour packages to Antalya were immediately forced, namely independence. By the way, it is worth recalling that the isolation between Russia and the USSR was simply overcome despite the absolutely hostile attitude of the majority of the so-called world community. The second drawback, in my opinion, is another attempt to present everything that was done before and after Stalin as a Masonic conspiracy aimed at exterminating the Orthodox people. (Oh, and now the "zealots of piety" will shout). As I wrote earlier, this idea was born not so long ago in the bowels of the Kremlin administration and is regularly pushed through by a pack of comrades so that the gullible inhabitants would believe; the leader is wise, but the wicked "liberals" hinder him. The analogy with today is obvious. only Shuvalov, Seryukov and Livanov and Golikova, well, do not pull on the Stalinist people's commissars, and their tasks are somewhat different. As well as Likhachev's ideas then were clearly different from those of Deripaska today. The only good news is that, judging by the comments, there are fewer and fewer gullible fellow citizens.
  • Kurkin
    Kurkin 19 November 2013 15: 31
    +4
    The author is handsome! Bull's-eye! Only now, according to the "New Chronology" of Nosovsky and Fomenko, not in the 20th century did we lose our sovereignty, but much earlier, with the coming to power of the first Romanovs. It was then that the distribution of the colonial western and eastern lands of the great Russia-Horde began. And the Great Peter the First finally consolidated the slavery of the Russian people in the form of registration of serfdom, which did not exist in Russia before the Romanovs.
  • Keeper
    Keeper 19 November 2013 16: 28
    +1
    Quote: Ingvar 72
    Quote: Keeper
    that the European Union is bursting at the seams in economic terms,

    Yes, let them crack, we need to build our economy without looking at the rest. And without reference. For self-sufficiency, we have all the resources, and we just sell them, without developing ourselves.

    For this, it is necessary to untie the dollar as such, and introduce it into the world currency RUBLE! At the same time, it is absolutely not necessary to have a gold reserve (an example of the dollar) and a conglomerate of the commonwealth of countries (as in the EU). It is enough to just announce it and start trading for rubles! How is trading for dollars that you don’t have for example ?! Very simple - at first you are considered the goods at the dollar exchange rate, and then they are sold in dollars! Do you think the EU will not want to buy gas from Russia for rubles ?! So far, unfortunately or fortunately, they have no way out!

    Again. It is possible that, for some reason unknown at this point, Russia is not profitable to make the world currency out of the ruble (I assume that this is because of the fear of aggressive overturning of our ruble by the same Americans) ...

    Dear Ingvar. You see what’s the matter. Any development of the economy is actually a very harmful thing! It is possible to bring production to a certain pace, but it is very likely that even the market we created cannot be profitable for all components (even if for the Customs Union). It was good in the USSR, where Ukraine made engines, and Belarus made steel, Uzbekistan gave silk and grain, and Dagestan lined the entire Soviet army with sheepskin coats ... I agree with you that it is necessary to move from a raw material level of the economy to a more productive one, at least for the domestic market!
    1. Walker1975
      Walker1975 19 November 2013 17: 40
      +2
      Quote: Keeper
      It is enough to just announce it and start trading for rubles!


      Yeah ... it is advisable that someone wants to buy these rubles (in the sense of selling something to Russia for rubles, and not for euros or dollars). Because as for dollars you can buy any product in any country, but where can you buy goods for rubles except in Russia? Well, perhaps in Belarus :)
      1. kaper
        kaper 19 November 2013 22: 40
        +1
        I won’t argue, but there you can only use rubles in rubles, hard currency is credited. And from a VISA card, hryvnia, from Privat, without problems, that in Poland, Belarus, Russia. Even a course is more profitable than changing the currency. By the way, six months ago in Belarus, in small shops there were almost no terminals, and now they even stand in the villages.
  • iConst
    iConst 19 November 2013 17: 06
    0
    And how to contact the moderator?
    1. old rocket man
      old rocket man 19 November 2013 22: 41
      0
      Quote: iConst
      And how to contact the moderator?

      Politely, in a private message, but complaining is useless. laughing
    2. Normal
      Normal 20 November 2013 00: 33
      0
      Quote: iConst
      And how to contact the moderator?

      Click on nick. In the group profile. As a rule, moderators are marshals (with rare exceptions)
      Domocles, Ascetic, Apollo, Alexander Romanov.
      Write in a personal.
  • Corsair5912
    Corsair5912 19 November 2013 17: 39
    +2
    The Russian Federation recalls a seriously damaged ship, which is increasingly difficult to rise under the impact of the waves. The global systemic crisis and internal problems of Russia pose a tough question to its people - whether Russian civilization will survive, will it be able to preserve its uniqueness, or will it become a territory that will be mastered by western and eastern powers, network projects. At present, the Russian space is being mastered by Western and Islamic projects, and there is the threat of Chinese expansion.

    The delirium of an ignorant paranoid.
    There is no world systemic crisis, there is an eternal and endless crisis of capitalism, a struggle for superprofits between capitalists.
    Russia has no internal problems and no cruel question, Russian civilization is not less than 3000 years old and there were abrupt times in its history, but nothing, all foreigners who mostly did not survive from Russia survived.
    At present, the Russian space is owned by the Russians, and "Western and Islamic projects" are exploring the Russian space on a general scale no more than bedbugs and cockroaches sit in cracks before the first disinsection.
    In the next 300-400 years, the Chinese are not capable of any kind of expansions, purely for technical reasons. For 5000 years, they could not even overcome the Khingan, where they can climb through the Sayans, Gobi, Altai and the Tien Shan, and they still do not know how to fly.
    1. Shur
      Shur 21 November 2013 00: 04
      0
      The point is that the world is ruled by ghouls. Yes, formally states and so on, but how quickly they start singing to the same tune. Capitalism plays on the basest vices of people, it uses them directly. It tightens up. It's always the idea of ​​a handful of rule. Pyramid. Such a device is also extreme. In words, progress, in fact, everything is determined by benefits .. no more. How many social ingenious inventions, discoveries were lost .. no one knows. Tesla alone is worth something with the idea of ​​dorm energy. One idea and the end to "supermen". Dumped landfills in Africa and now go with "environmental standards". It's all a mess. Dead end. In one, the truth is the neo-slavery system. They are tearing veins for him, ours of course.
  • voldmis
    voldmis 19 November 2013 17: 47
    +1
    Quote: winkiller
    America means common sense is not it time it prints green without a twinge of conscience?


    Very much there! Since the US dollar is the world currency, the Fed shifts inflation around the world. Simple arithmetic. Salaries and pensions are higher every year, and you can buy them less and less!
  • Bigriver
    Bigriver 19 November 2013 17: 57
    0
    Quote: Apollon
    ... But this is not Photoshop. Unfortunately the reality ..]

    I may, of course, be mistaken, but the video has fully achieved its goal. He in seconds, with the help of a demonstration (display) of the elements of the state, proved its presence.
    What’s wrong? Flag, coat of arms, march - is. There are even individuals who welcome these elements. They even have sublime pride on their faces.
    Well, I don’t even know ... Finally, it doesn’t look like Photoshop .., huh?
  • GEO
    GEO 19 November 2013 18: 44
    0
    Quote: makarov
    In general, Nikolai Vasilievich was Ukrainian, and he had a craving for the ts fashionable at that time. cultural drugs. Some experts say that under their influence he "faked" the nth part of his horror stories, such as "Viy".
    Hence the conclusion, you never know what N.V. could say stoned.

    And did he write a lot in Ukrainian? What kind of "experts" are they? The same Svidomity historians, such as Yushchenko? Do not disgrace yourself!
  • observer
    observer 19 November 2013 19: 05
    -4
    Down with such worthless pessimistic articles !!!
  • GUSAR
    GUSAR 19 November 2013 20: 52
    0
    You can’t argue with the author ...
  • Normman
    Normman 19 November 2013 21: 27
    0
    Real sovereignty is the right to be the master in your home. Here is what I think about this:

    Patriotic Act (draft)
    "On the right of the indigenous peoples of Russia to self-government"
    Amendment to the Constitution of the Russian Federation

    In order to protect the right of indigenous peoples of Russia to self-government, as well as to avoid conflicts of interest in the performance of duties in the public service.
    Persons who are not representatives of the indigenous peoples of Russia, namely, representatives of nationalities having their own state entities outside the Russian Federation, as well as their direct relatives, parents, children and spouses, are not entitled to occupy any positions (including elected) in government bodies of the Russian Federation at any level, in governing bodies of state enterprises, services and departments, at enterprises with state participation, enterprises registered as mass media howl of information and in the structures of exercising control over such entities. The above persons are not entitled, directly or indirectly by proxy of any type or through proxies, to permanently or temporarily fulfill any duties related to the management and / or disposal of state property.
    The indicated category of persons does not have the right to hold managerial positions in any enterprises where there is access to state secrets, as well as in structures of the Bank of Russia.

    May 23 2013 year.

    Decree of the President of the Russian Federation (draft)

    The Government of Russia, the State Duma and the Supreme Court of the Russian Federation shall, within one year, ensure that the personnel of all state enterprises and organizations are brought into conformity with this Patriotic Act. Within the specified time period, bring the legislative and regulatory framework in line, in particular, provide for criminal liability for persons evading the Patriotic Act, as well as for persons denying the right of indigenous peoples of Russia to self-government.

    Moscow. Kremlin.
  • Gato
    Gato 19 November 2013 21: 42
    0
    State sovereignty - in my opinion, the concept is obsolete (something from the Middle Ages). Much more important is economic sovereignty. But this is not - and in the near future is not expected
    1. old rocket man
      old rocket man 19 November 2013 22: 27
      0
      Quote: Gato
      Much more important is economic sovereignty. But this is not - and in the near future is not expected

      I agree, the economy is the most important thing, but in our time, full economic independence is not achievable even for the United States, the most developed economy in the world.
    2. V. Salama
      V. Salama 20 November 2013 03: 41
      0
      Quote: Gato
      State sovereignty - in my opinion, the concept is obsolete (something from the Middle Ages). Much more important is economic sovereignty
      It is not right. This is like saying: "Management is an outdated concept, production is much more important."
  • Goldkonstantin
    Goldkonstantin 19 November 2013 21: 47
    0
    The main task now is changes to the Constitution. And, it seems, Putin decided to take up this thoroughly. On December 12 of this year, he will announce in his message a lot of interesting things about the Constitution. We will see.
  • samoletil18
    samoletil18 19 November 2013 21: 54
    0
    I put +. In fact, the topic is the most important. But, dear Alexander, this site has a thinking and, basically, educated audience. This article format is needed for Odnoklassniki, Vkontakte, etc. And the very fact of the presence of members of the forum on this site suggests that the country is not so insecure.
  • alexmaneger
    alexmaneger 19 November 2013 22: 14
    0
    Well, you also fed this FAT Ukrainian troll. And he sits and counts how much he earned for each koment.
  • old rocket man
    old rocket man 19 November 2013 22: 14
    0
    Quote: Walker1975
    while the state was considered precisely the roots of Kievan Rus.

    Exactly, Russia, first of all, and then Kievan, since the capital was in Kiev, it was after Yaroslav that his children dragged Russia apart.
  • Rezun
    Rezun 19 November 2013 23: 26
    -2
    Eck people "sausage" ... They dance from the stove ...

    Before shouting about "corrupt" and "dishonest" - read the Constitution!
    Think about who could do what Uncle Vova did.

    http://politikus.ru/articles/5769-sravnenie-konstituciy-rf-i-sssr-1993-1977-i-19
    36-gg-sootvetvenno.html
  • hand-grenade
    hand-grenade 19 November 2013 23: 42
    +3
    We are completely confused about who we are, what we are ... For more than 20 years there has been neither the USSR nor an official ideology, but there is only a slight aftertaste of collective farm collectivism, coupled with the actively implanted cult of venality. We have forgotten to even think about such concepts as good and evil, in the terrible booth of moral norms and values ​​there is only one absolute value - benefit. Is it possible that the past era of total self-destruction, when one catastrophe was definitely replaced by another, and personal tragedies multiplied by a million, remained only dry facts of statistics, so distorted the soul of our man? I don’t want to slip into frenzied pessimism, but looking at the representatives of the modern, and without that few, young people, one dumb question freezes in our eyes: "WHAT IS THIS? Our future?" You don't need any external enemy to rock the boat if the inside of the boat is already rotten ...
  • Horde
    Horde 19 November 2013 23: 53
    +1
    Russia's main problem is the loss of full state sovereignty


    the collapse, the complete collapse of the country, that pieces were cut off from GREAT RUSSIA AND BELARUS, as well as other large territories and destroyed only by fools and liberals. Alexander Samsonov correctly observes all the CONSEQUENCES of the UN-RUSSIAN WAR, but of course he will never name anyone. a foolish, criminal demographic situation, if not the top leaders of present-day Russia? we are not enough we can do, but at least we need to stop getting confused in assessing the situation. THE MAJOR QUESTION OF THIS TIME IS NATIONAL QUESTION.
    1. air defense veteran
      air defense veteran 20 November 2013 08: 05
      0
      No need to drive us by the nose. The country lost sovereignty and vast territories in the early 90s. It is still under partial external control. According to the (American) Constitution, the 93rd year does not and cannot have a state. ideology. It has no right to control the media that pour mud on it. It does not have financial and economic sovereignty. And you assure us that the current government (working under the control of the metropolis, by the way) is to blame for everything and the main question is the national one ??? Who do you work for, dear?
      Samsonov correctly pointed out: THE MAIN QUESTION IS THE ABSENCE OF SOVEREIGNTY !!!