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USA: Israel. Mate in two moves

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USA: Israel. Mate in two movesThe article, written by one of the authors at the beginning of this year, correctly showed the prospects for the development of Israel, although it would be more correct to call it stagnation. Israeli readers then resented, they say, how can you predict that Israel chooses, if there were no elections themselves? As I remember, there were only a few days left before the elections.


The answer here is simple: there are analysts to predict the development of events, and the article “Israel chooses collapse” is a clear confirmation of this. Of course, we pay tribute to the foresight of our colleague, but let's compare some moments that occurred after those elections and, most importantly, let's see how Israel’s relations with the United States are developing in the context of this forecast. To all this, it probably makes sense to attach and some expectations of the Israelis themselves, who are frankly surprising.

As mentioned earlier in the article, the main reason for the collapse of Israel’s foreign policy is the nearness, ignorance and even Netanyahu’s bitterness. But there is nothing for Netanyagu to do here, because he is not a mushroom that grew in the prime minister’s place, he was chosen by his own citizens. Hence the responsibility of all Israel for their fate. This approach is very important and allows us to draw conclusions about the system error of modern Jewry. As one indignant reader said: "We voted for Netanyahu because he is our only hope for the denunciation of the Camp David Agreement and the Helsinki World." So I want to ask, do these people have brains? Is it really not clear that these agreements, which they so hate, are that today they retain at least the appearance of peace. If it really occurred to someone to cancel these agreements, then, in addition to the existing problems, Israel would face new, much more dangerous problems, where Israel would not have to initiate processes, but act in response. Thus, we see that the threat of the collapse of Israel comes primarily from stupid citizens and politicians of Israel. However, fortunately, now nothing depends on Israel, and in this case, as they say, God did not give horns to an awesome cow. Orthodox say: "A fool can get hurt by a cross."

However, no matter how short-sighted the policies of Israel are, there are things that still need to be noticed. So, in one of our past articles, the author noted a forced decrease in the rhetoric of the Israeli prime minister on the Iranian nuclear program under pressure from the head of the State Department Kerry. Netanyagu then said: "We are forced to retreat in order to retain the right to build 1500 houses in the occupied territory." It must be said that this move could be considered correct, because staking the ground behind oneself is the highest priority in comparison with the Iranian threat. However, it was already clear then that the US was simply squeezing Israel, and the first step (reducing rhetoric on Iran) would be followed by a second step - a moratorium on the construction of those same houses. That is, the author then again turned out to be right with respect to US policy. Vladimir Putin formulated this doctrine briefly when he said that the weak were beaten. Israel is weak, and it is already being beaten and will be beaten in the future.

The Israeli Prime Minister may have wanted to make Israel stronger, but this is not an easy task and, in fact, not for silly heads. In his aspirations Netanyagu decided that the ram is the most effective tool for translating his political aspirations. This is the deepest mistake. Where the eyes of Israeli analysts, it is not clear. The whole world knows that one of his names causes Obama's “gagging urge”; nevertheless, the Israeli prime minister is persistently calling the American president. According to reports from a source in Washington, the Obama secretariat, not wanting to even say a word to the Israeli prime minister, switches Netanyagu’s calls immediately to Kerry. And by the way, Mr. Netanyagu has something to say to Obama.

The United States forced Israel to abandon the idea of ​​bombing Iran, and Netanyahu then made his statement about the possibility of preserving the construction of 1500 houses. After the United States began to insist on the need to freeze even now the construction of houses, Israel felt itself "thrown" by the girder Kerry. It would be a good time to turn to the patron and “throw eyebrows on his forehead,” but the secretariat, as mentioned above, switches Mr. Netanyagu to the “looker” in the Middle East, Kerry. Some impression is created that the President of the United States considers the Israeli prime minister "not a gangster of his level." So, the author of this article once became a random witness of a conversation between two gangsters, arguing on some issue. Then the phrase above said: “you are not of my level”; The gangster's nickname was “Tramp.” A week later, the one who was convincing in his low level shot the "tramp" from a machine gun when the latter left the restaurant after a hearty lunch. To some extent, what happened then is very similar to what is happening today. Netanyagu is ready to tear and toss.

Now that Obama has "lowered" Israel, Netanyagu understands that he will not be let out of the circle of offended, and will never be allowed to the "higher worlds." Israel is struggling with this today, however, so far without success. Nevertheless, Israel wants to declare its “high birth”, and is trying to initiate some actions that would show its great potential. After US pressure, Netanyahu began to look for allies among "his own kind" and found, of course, another such "offended" in the face of Saudi Arabia.

It became known that Saudi Arabia allowed the passage of Israeli aircraft to bomb nuclear facilities in Iran. In fact, it makes little difference. Everyone knows that Israel cannot bomb Iran, it simply does not have such an opportunity. There is only one option that could suit Israel, but it lies beyond the limits of Israeli possibilities. Israel's planes never bring the Bunker penetrators to the goal. But even if you use the latest MOP (Massive Ordnance Penetrator GBU-57A-B, Penetrator bunkers), which weigh 10 tons, there is no guarantee that they will be able to disable the object, which is under rocks at a depth of hundreds of meters, but already Iran will be out of reach for negotiations. But even for this we need, again, American aircraft. For delivery, you must use either B-2 or B-52. Now imagine that there should be a lot of targets, which means there will be too many planes. Add to all the refuelers, and you will receive in the sky dizzying traffic of aircraft, a total of at least 50 units. For Iranian air defense it will be a “good hunt”.

From all of the above, it can be said with confidence that the Israeli plan only more strongly demonstrates Israel’s dependence on the United States. Israel will have to accept and take a place in the second, or even the third echelon, prepared for him by Barack Obama. Strictly speaking, there is a process that puts the pieces on the board in a slightly different order, according to the latest foreign policy achievements of Iran and Russia. Israel is on the weaker side, and in this case the Jewish state has been in the role of ballast, which, according to President Obama, is the time to dump. The Israelis themselves believe that Obama, with his policy, has mated them in these very “two moves”.
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  1. Same lech
    Same lech 19 November 2013 07: 11
    +9
    Yes, the economic crisis has tightened the ambitions and opportunities of many states.
    The United States would be happy to put a paw on the whole MIDDLE EAST, but alas, finances sing romances, which will be a big question for many countries, including ISRAEL.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 19 November 2013 07: 38
      11
      Everyone knows that Israel cannot bomb Iran, it simply does not have such an opportunity
      I do not understand! Maybe 10 ton bombs will not be dropped, but they will delay Iran for years on a nuclear program. Da and B 52 will not give guarantees that they can penetrate the mountain layers. In any case, Israel will go to great lengths and then the lobby will work and fly to help Israel and B. 52 and B 2. Perhaps shorter, everything is much more complicated than it seems to the author.
      1. mirag2
        mirag2 19 November 2013 07: 40
        +5
        Of course more difficult!
        The Jews have so crushed the USA for themselves that I still wonder how HOW Obama manages to somehow arise against Israel ...
        1. APES
          APES 19 November 2013 09: 03
          +6
          Quote: mirag2
          Jews so crushed the United States


          The Greater Middle East Project - Israel is not there.

          it is drained ...
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 19 November 2013 11: 23
            +2
            Quote: APES
            it is drained

            Hardly. Another draw of the play. Lovely scolding, just amuse.
            1. APES
              APES 19 November 2013 11: 43
              +3
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              Lovely scolding - only amuse


              Good afternoon! hi

              Quote: Ingvar 72
              Hardly.


              I saw secret maps of the General Staff, so the USA is not on them either drinks
              1. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 19 November 2013 12: 52
                +2
                Quote: APES
                I saw secret maps of the General Staff, so the USA is not on them either

                Hello Andrey hi If only we stayed on it laughing
          2. faraon
            faraon 19 November 2013 12: 24
            +8
            But in its place, a new project immediately arises which will be called the Israeli-Russian friendship, the States cannot allow this, so the draining of the states of Israel is another duck.
            Although in this period of time both Israel and Russia won from this project, but unfortunately this is only a project
            1. alicante11
              alicante11 19 November 2013 14: 24
              +2
              Why the hell do Russia need you? You have no oil, you cannot lay a pipe through you. You will not give up your production, and to be honest, they are not a scale for our oligarchs. So why should the Russian elite "be friends" with you? Under capitalism they can be friends only when it is profitable. When you can put your "friend" in the fifth position and get your interests out of it.
              1. faraon
                faraon 19 November 2013 14: 46
                -14 qualifying.
                Why the hell do you need Russia?
                Oh and don’t talk.
                The fact is that Israel is not so divorced as the people of Russia were divorced during the two revolutions. Yes, and the people here are not quite simple for vouchers and privatization certificates.
                1. alicante11
                  alicante11 19 November 2013 15: 24
                  +3
                  That's why they are not needed. What can not be divorced :). I’m talking about something.
                2. olviko
                  olviko 19 November 2013 15: 45
                  +1
                  "The fact is that Israel, so you will not divorce"

                  One question. Tell me, is a project called Eretz Yisrael not a wiring for 6 million Jews currently living in Israel?
                  1. faraon
                    faraon 19 November 2013 16: 40
                    0
                    Sorry, but what do you see the wiring in? Here everyone has the same starting opportunities, if you want something to achieve, you must make an effort, then you will reap the benefits of the efforts previously applied. As for my family, no one complains. Everyone has a decent job , stable income, social protection of the state. Yes, we pay more taxes, but we earn to pay them. Despite all the hysteria and dirt that is poured on Israel, I feel much more relaxed about my family, children and grandchildren than in Of Russia.
                    1. olviko
                      olviko 19 November 2013 18: 12
                      +2
                      "Sorry, what do you see the layout,"
                      Not so long ago I read the following statement on one site:
                      "In ten years Israel will disappear from the map of the world." This forecast belongs to Henry Kissinger, the former US Secretary of State during the Nixon era, the oldest statesman, who will turn 89 in May this year, looking far ahead with his analysis of the current situation in the world. My question is not about what taxes and salaries are in Israel, but about the fate of Israel in general. Why does an old, experienced politician, a Jew, so definitely bury the Jewish state? What has changed? , the project for which Israel was created has exhausted itself and is no longer needed by the United States? Then the Jews living in Israel, with the current level of relations with neighbors, may simply turn out to be cannon fodder.
                      1. atalef
                        atalef 19 November 2013 19: 04
                        -3
                        Well, to begin with, he didn’t say this, he mentioned it hundreds of times (in VO), but for some reason no one found a link to the original text (in English please, because you know the translation from English into provincial, it’s not always correct)
                      2. olviko
                        olviko 20 November 2013 05: 31
                        +1
                        "translation from English into provincial"

                        And the provincial is sorry that such a dialect? Like a mixture of Hebrew and jargon from Odessa Privoz?
                      3. olviko
                        olviko 20 November 2013 06: 07
                        +1
                        "nobody found the link to the original text"

                        You know, I really didn’t find it, neither in English nor in the provincial one. There is only the following in Russian: “As reported by The New-York Post, Kissinger made this forecast in a private conversation, and not during any official speech. However, no denial from Kissinger's entourage was reported. In the same place, Kissinger is credited with the following: “Among the letters published by the US State Department, there is also a letter from the then Prime Minister of Israel, Golda Meir, who asked Nixon to protest in front of the Kremlin, among other things, over the high tax that the Soviet authorities demanded on Jews who immigrated to Israel. American administration Leonard Hermont asked Kissinger to help in this matter, which provoked the Secretary of State's indignation. “What do these scoundrels think of themselves? No one cares about themselves as well as they do. They are of no interest except for their interests, and they cannot be trusted, because they do not know how to keep secrets. "In the recent past, audio recordings of Kissinger's speeches, from which even more rude statements followed, were declassified." According to him, "the emigration of Jews from Russia is not part of American foreign policy, and if all of them are sent to the gas chambers, this is not a US problem. In extreme cases, it is a humanitarian problem." It is noted that Kissinger made such statements in an interview with the President Nixon, while serving as his national security adviser.
                        Yes, the press cannot be trusted, especially the western one. They all lie, scum.
                  2. negeroi
                    negeroi 19 November 2013 19: 28
                    +3
                    The fact is that Israel is not so divorced as the people of Russia were divorced during the two revolutions. Yes, and the people here are not quite simple for vouchers and privatization certificates.


                    Pontov then Pontov .. Jews were bred more than once or twice, and in the 20th century, and earlier, and for vouchers and grandmothers, and even for life. Do you know God's election is not a guarantee against your hungry money. It’s not clear where such confidence in their irreducibility ? By the way, this is the first sign of a sucker divorced. Sorry.
                  3. bilgesez
                    bilgesez 19 November 2013 20: 26
                    +6
                    So persuade the Russian Jews to move to Israel.
                    1. Aaron Zawi
                      Aaron Zawi 19 November 2013 20: 31
                      0
                      Quote: bilgesez
                      So persuade the Russian Jews to move to Israel.

                      I am for it.
                    2. Alex Nick
                      Alex Nick 19 November 2013 23: 07
                      0
                      Take your time, tear shoes
                    3. Aaron Zawi
                      Aaron Zawi 19 November 2013 23: 27
                      +1
                      Quote: Alex Nick
                      Take your time, tear shoes

                      I apologize, why do you need Jews in Russia? request
                3. Ascetic
                  Ascetic 19 November 2013 22: 04
                  +4
                  Quote: bilgesez
                  So persuade the Russian Jews to move to Israel.


                  They are not idyots behind the fence and live under fire. Moreover, Russia is the same country of Jews as Israel. Moreover, according to Solov'ev, the Slavic ethnos emerged only in the 6th century, in contrast to the Jewish people living on the territory of modern Russia since the XNUMXnd century AD. (Khazar Kaganate) Why Israel? When can "historical justice" be restored again in the form of New Khazaria under the rule of Jews and Chechens?
                  Now everyone already knows that the Khazar Kaganate is a Turkic-Nakh-Jewish state that existed in the steppes of the southeastern part of European Russia in the XNUMXth-XNUMXth centuries. The Jews were in power in this country, the ancestors of the present Chechens served in the army and police, and the ancestors of the present Tatars made up the main population of the Khazar Kaganate. This parasitic state was engaged in intermediary trade and collection of duties from Russian merchants floating on the Volga and Don. The Khazars had the main profit from the slave trade.

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                  Something like modern Russia. If not Russia, then Moscow is for sure. At the head of the Jewish ruble, the Chechens collect tribute and the main population is rapidly being replaced by Turkic-speaking migrant workers.

                4. Aaron Zawi
                  Aaron Zawi 19 November 2013 23: 18
                  0
                  Dear Ascetic, but who is there more Russians or Jews in Rublevka? Am I really curious?
                5. Ascetic
                  Ascetic 19 November 2013 23: 33
                  +2
                  Quote: Aron Zaavi
                  Dear Ascetic, but who is there more Russians or Jews in Rublevka? Am I really curious?


                  I already answered this question ... Pugalkins most of all

                  According to Alexander Boroda, the synagogue of the oligarchs "will be quite modest and no different from other synagogues." He notes that the need for it arose simply because 80% of Moscow’s wealthiest Jews live along Rublevskoye Shosse. Instead of driving to the bustling metropolis with its giant traffic jams, it is much more convenient for them to pay tribute to Jewish traditions close to home, especially on Saturday and Jewish holidays. "I have been communicating with these people for 15 years, and I believe that new forms of work with them are needed," emphasized Boroda, who represents the Chabad Hasidic movement and acts as Rabbi of Rublevka. "Among the wealthy, the percentage of Jews is higher than among the poor. More Jews live on Rublevskoye highway than on Entuziastov highway "- said the president of FEOR, considered one of the most influential figures of the Jewish diaspora in Russia.
                  Jewish oligarchs build a synagogue on Rublevka

                  By the way, more Jewish students began to enter the Moscow Institute of Physics and Technology. It pleases maybe someone will work for the benefit of the military-industrial complex. Despite the transition to the Bologna system, technical education there is still at the level. Of all the young specialists in my experience, Bauman and the Moscow Institute of Physics and Technology are the most intelligent and the Jews are not the last.
                6. Ascetic
                  Ascetic 19 November 2013 23: 40
                  +2
                  Corr .: But, after all, they now live better in Russia than in Israel? What is the problem?

                  I.O .: All Jews live in Israel. Indeed, they live in Russia under communism. "Jewish banks", "Jewish TV", "Jewish medicine", "Jewish education", "Jewish theater", "Jewish shopping", "Jewish Rublyovka", "Jewish economy", "Jewish -mobile ". So that I live the way they want to die !!!!

                  Corr .: Aven, Friedman, Abramovich, Berezovsky, Vekselberg, Usmanov and many others. Their looted capital makes up half of the country's budget.

                  IO: They want gas. Jews used to be afraid of gas chambers, and the word gas made them tremble, but now money is trembling. Crazy money. Angers them that the German Miller supply manager in Gazprom. Well, they are offended by Moses. Forty years drove through the desert, but never led to oil. So they want to correct a historical mistake. The people are smart. By the way, the first president Moses had 10 terms for 4 years each. Everything went from them.

                  Corr .: Putin does not mind.

                  IO: Gas, oil - Putin left for the entire Russian people. It is necessary to pay social programs, pensions. Why contain 140 million and still protect against external misfortunes. Moreover, Russia is harder to rise from its knees than to take off.

                  Corr .: But at meetings, they are yelling the right things. Lawlessness, theft, corruption. Hold the thief!

                  IO: They shouted, it seems to me !!! The Russian people heard them. A revision of the problems of Russians will now begin. Why is the health care poorly functioning, who are in charge there - the Jews. Who came up with the mortgage, who the owners of the banks are Jews. Who invented the Unified State Exam in Education - Jews. Who is in the housing and communal services - Jews, "Jews - mass media". So, the conclusion suggests itself: all the troubles in whom? And who are the legalists? Lawyers.

                  Corr .: Can old slogans for saving Russia appear?

                  I.O .: God forbid, of course. My material may serve as a warning to them. Stop. Do not bring trouble on your people. From the Kremlin wall does not turn out to be a weeping wall. Russia is a multicultural country, with Mongol-Tatar foundations. The French riot is meaningless and shameless.

                  Corr .: Will the Russians not give Putin away?

                  I.O .: Never. Putin is purely Russian. Loyal to all nations. The first Russian "leader" in a hundred years. They will not surrender Putin. Trust me.

                  Corr .: At the rallies, the Nemtsovs shout that there were bribery in the elections.

                  IO: Normal Russian boys bribe with valuable gifts, and the Jews strive to foist a smile. Give - take, beat - give.

                  Corr .: There is money, now the authorities want.

                  I.O .: Russia can not afford anyone. The people woke up. Putin will take into account his mistakes. Perhaps, he will bet on such as Rogozins, Murins, Ivanovs, Sechins, Bortnikovs, Partushevs. Enough of Russia to be motley.

                  Corr .: A Jew in Russia is more than a Jew.

                  I.O .: Drive to Hawaii and wave the waves, and sharks will drown with envy. And then they scream that they want to eat. No, they froze.

                  Corr .: But what about the rabbis who deftly sell cartridges?

                  I.O .: I'll tell you an anecdote. "A Jewess complains to her friends about her Russian husband:" During this time he drank so much blood from me that he himself has already become half a Jew. "
              2. Aaron Zawi
                Aaron Zawi 19 November 2013 23: 48
                0
                Quote: Aaron Zawi
                Dear Ascetic, but who is there more Russians or Jews in Rublevka? Am I really curious?

                Yes and more. Whatever you worry. Not long left.
                According to the published results, during the 2010 census, 157,8 thousand people indicated in the column "nationality" that they are Jews. This is 76 thousand less than in 2002, when 232 thousand Jews were recorded in Russia. The average age of Jews in Russia is 59 years. Due to the low birth rate - as well as the fact that children from mixed marriages were mostly recorded as non-Jews - only 5,4% of the Jewish population in Russia were children under the age of 15. 56,1% of Jews were in the age range from 16 to 59 years old, and 38,5% reached the 60-year mark. For comparison: among all Russians, children were 23,2%, people aged 16-59 - 61,4%, elderly - 15,4%.
                137,02 million people indicated their nationality. Among them, Russians - 111,02 million people. The proportion of people who recognize themselves as Russian has increased from 80,64% in 2002 to 81%. The share of the Jewish population of Russia, according to this census, was approximately 0,1%.
              3. Ascetic
                Ascetic 20 November 2013 01: 12
                +1
                Quote: Aron Zaavi
                Whatever you worry


                - A recent census showed that over the past 13 years, the number of Jews in Russia has fallen sharply. On the other hand, they say that recently, on the contrary, many of those who previously left for Israel are returning to Russia. How are things really? Are there any statistics on this?

                - We do not know exactly how many Jews live in Russia today, but we are sure that there are much more than a million, maybe even two million. Of the regular visitors to the Moscow Jewish Community Center in Maryina Roshcha, whom we interviewed, only one tenth signed up as Jews, while the majority wrote “Russian” in the column "nationality".

                It is clear that many were shocked by the results of the census, which showed that only 230 Jews remained in Russia. We have almost as many registered only in Moscow, But there are developed communities in other cities: in St. Petersburg, Novosibirsk, Vladivostok, Khabarovsk! Why were Jews not recorded as Jews? Now, after all, this would have no negative consequences! Everything is very simple: today, being a Jew is no longer a matter of nationality, it is a matter of religion.
                In terms of quantity, Moscow undoubtedly remains the “most Jewish” of European capitals, but if we compare Jewish life here and, for example, in Paris, London, even Milan or Brussels, we see a big difference. The life of Jews there is in full swing: for every two blocks there is a synagogue, a Jewish center, a school, a kosher grocery store, but for now everything is in its initial stage.

                However, over time, Moscow may become, if not in quantity, then in quality, a very Jewish city. I have always believed and still believe that the Jews who live in Russia have a great enthusiasm for returning to their roots and living a full Jewish life. If we talk about quantitative measurement, then the number of Jews in

                Moscow definitely goes beyond 500 thousand, and maybe even reaches a million. Just look at the names.
                When the house was blown up on Kashirskoye Shosse, we selected Jewish families living there to help them organize a funeral in accordance with Jewish tradition, and we found as many as thirteen, despite the fact that the house was relatively small. Maybe people do not advertise their nationality, but they know for themselves that they are Jews.

                Chief Rabbi of Russia: Moscow remains "the most Jewish" of European capitals
              4. builder
                builder 20 November 2013 01: 56
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                2010 All-Russian Census
              5. builder
                builder 20 November 2013 02: 06
                0
                All-Russian population census in Moscow 2010
              6. Ascetic
                Ascetic 20 November 2013 02: 52
                +1
                Quote: stroitel
                All-Russian population census in Moscow 2010


                In Moscow, FIVE synagogues and the Center for Tolerance and FOUR mosques.
                The Federation of Jewish Communities of Russia would like to receive permission from the authorities to build at least five more synagogues in Moscow, FEOR President Alexander Boroda said.

                Jews want to double the number of synagogues in Moscow

                “According to our estimates, up to half a million Jews live in Moscow, and many of these people have yet to become our parishioners,” said A. Boroda.

                In addition, according to him, in the coming years FEOR plans to open several more Jewish schools in the capital, and on November 4 this year, the opening of the Museum of Jewish History and Tradition in Moscow is planned.

                With regard to the development of community life in the regions, the immediate plans of FEOR include the opening of a synagogue in Smolensk, a community center in Novosibirsk, synagogues in Sochi, Krasnodar, Ulyanovsk, Astrakhan, Rostov-on-Don, restoration of the returned synagogue in Vladivostok, and the return of synagogues in Kaluga and Orel.
                In his report at the congress, Alexander Boroda said that today FEOR has about 200 communities in 180 cities of Russia, There are 44 synagogues and about 70 community centers, over 100 educational institutions, including 25 secondary schools with a Jewish ethnocultural component, 70 Sunday schools, 28 kindergartens, about 20 kosher shops and 10 restaurants with kosher products.
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          3. Ascetic
            Ascetic 20 November 2013 03: 01
            +1
            Head of the Department of Public Relations of the Federation of Jewish Communities of Russia (FEOR) Borukh Gorin

            according to various estimates, from 230 thousand to 10 million Jews live in Russia today. The most likely figure is 1 million. Moreover, 500 thousand of them (half) are residents of Moscow. " According to Gorin, the data of the last population census, according to which 230 thousand Jews live in the country (of which 130 thousand are Muscovites), do not correspond to reality. "We assume that there are at least six times more Jews in Russia than indicated in the census," Gorin said. Therefore FEOR plans to conduct its own population census in cooperation with genealogical societies and with the compilation of genealogies, as well as special community books. “Without this, we cannot imagine how the country's Jewish community should develop, how many more synagogues we need, how many rabbis,” the FEOR representative explained.

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            Mikhail Chlenov explained that there is a certain ratio between the number of "rewritten" Jews and persons with Jewish identity (in 2002, it was three - and the number of people with a Jewish identity was estimated by demographers at about 750).

            Participants in the press conference also suggested that some of the Russian Jews, driven by fears or other, would prefer not to state their nationality.

            Mark Kupovetsky noted that some of the Jews will probably prefer to avoid disclosing their nationality, citing the words of one of their acquaintances "with great life experience": "We have memories and we are afraid."

            Mikhail Chlenov also noted that Jews still have some fear that comes from Soviet times, when the word "Jew" was something of a swear word. He also urged Jews not to hide their nationality in front of the scribes.
            How many Jews in Russia
          4. Aaron Zawi
            Aaron Zawi 20 November 2013 07: 50
            0
            Once again, let's trust the official numbers. Overestimating their electorate allows these "figures", firstly to collect large donations, and secondly to be more significant figures than they really are.
          5. builder
            builder 20 November 2013 12: 12
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            Quote: Ascetic [i
            ] but there is still some fear among Jews, dating back to Soviet times, when the word "Jew" was something of a swear word. He also called on Jews not to hide their nationality in front of the scribes [/ i].

            [I]some fear from Soviet times persists[/ i] Fear of whom? In front of the nibblers
        2. Aaron Zawi
          Aaron Zawi 20 November 2013 07: 47
          -1
          Ascetic, you are an adult. The chief rabbi is ready to rank among the Jews and my relatives living in Moscow, although they only have a Jewish grandfather. Let's trust a little official statistics of the Russian Federation.
        3. atalef
          atalef 20 November 2013 07: 50
          -1
          Quote: Aaron Zawi
          Ascetic, you are an adult. The chief rabbi is ready to rank among the Jews and my relatives living in Moscow, although they only have a Jewish grandfather. Let's trust a little official statistics of the Russian Federation.

          This is very important, if there are no Jews, then they must at least be invented.
        4. builder
          builder 20 November 2013 08: 15
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          Quote: atalef
          This is very important, if there are no Jews, then they must at least be invented.


          Quote: Aron Zaavi
          Once again, let's trust the official numbers. Overestimating their electorate allows these "figures" to collect large donations in the first place

          Quote: Ascetic
          according to various estimates, from 230 thousand to 10 million Jews live in Russia today.

          A familiar situation with numbers. (
          according to the World Center for Contemporary Jewish Documentation in Paris, only 1,485 mil. Jews died from all causes, inclusive, and that although this figure is likely to be higher than the real one, it doesn’t come close to those six million. As already mentioned, according to the estimates of the Jewish statistician Raul Hilberg, 897 thousand Jews died.
        5. faraon
          faraon 20 November 2013 10: 54
          -1
          This is very important, if there are no Jews, then they must at least be invented.

          Of course, someone should be extreme when the tap runs out of water, etc.
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  2. negeroi
    negeroi 20 November 2013 01: 03
    +2
    I don’t have an inferiority complex. Jews don’t interfere with me. It’s possible for every whiner that they’re either hindered by the eggs, or the government, or something else. my life without crying that some bad uncles block my oxygen.
  3. olviko
    olviko 20 November 2013 05: 19
    0
    ". I put on everyone, both the Nazis and the Jews,"

    Yes, being a Jew is not easy!
    “Sema, this is a paradox!” When I lived in the USSR, Jews were to blame for everything. Then I lived in Russia, and again the Jews were to blame.
    “Well, where is the paradox, Monya?”
    “You didn’t finish listening, Sema!” Now I live in Israel. And you know who is to blame for everything ?!
  • Ingvar 72
    Ingvar 72 19 November 2013 16: 09
    +5
    Quote: faraon
    And the people here are not quite simple for vouchers and privatization certificates will not buy.

    Of course, your people are used to pairing these vouchers to others. The fact of the matter is that we do not need you, but here we are ...
    1. faraon
      faraon 19 November 2013 16: 46
      -4
      This is a controversial topic, Vouchers began to issue Chubais, monetary reforms, and the introduction of a market economy began Gorbachev and Gaidar. Combineer Gorbachev began to destroy the economy of the state again. So my people are out of business.
      Well, as for who needs someone, so time will tell.
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 19 November 2013 18: 17
        +3
        Quote: faraon
        This is a controversial topic, Vouchers began to issue Chubais, monetary reforms, and the introduction of a market economy began Gorbachev and Gaidar. Combineer Gorbachev began to destroy the power economy again.

        Schindler was a goy too laughing Artaxerxes, too.
        [If you cannot block and “dry up” young and promising Russians, make them manageable. Attract them to your companies, create a dense ring of Jewish surroundings around them, deprive them of contacts and acquaintances besides you. Encourage them to marry Jewish women and only then open the "green street" for them. Do not be afraid, their children will still be ours. No Jewess will abandon her God-chosenness and will accordingly raise her children. That’s why it is said: “Whose goby is not jumping, our calf”.
        -Catehesis. Tactics developed by your own sages. hi
        1. atalef
          atalef 19 November 2013 19: 08
          -5
          Schindler, too, was Artaxerxes, too.

          It’s good to flood already, of course you are a goy (do not want to be a goy - cut off and accept Judaism) My wife is the same goy, like the children, by the way, and?
          goy - just not a Jew, you are so hurt that you are a goy?
          nety one do not want to be goy, it is not clear why in St. Petersburg Russian mothers so want
          to enroll children in a private Jewish school? what is smeared there?
          In the private school Menachem in St. Petersburg, only those kids who could document the Jewish origin were accepted. After the prosecutor’s check, this practice had to be completed.

          The prosecutor's office of the Vyborgsky district of St. Petersburg conducted an audit in the personal school-garden "Menachem". Now this educational institution is forbidden to recruit kids only on a national basis, reports the press service of the prosecutor's office in St. Petersburg.

          After checking the provision for the admission of children to the Menachem kindergarten, the prosecutor’s office established that “in one of the clauses it is indicated that the administration of the institution may refuse citizens to admit their children to the educational institution, including in the absence of documents confirming the Jewish origin of the child on the maternal strip. "

          I repeat the conversation is about a private school.
          By the way, I was at Schindler’s grave in Jerusalem, his eternal memory hi
        2. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 20 November 2013 10: 12
          +1
          Quote: atalef
          It’s good to flood already, of course you are a goy (do not want to be a goy - cut off and accept Judaism) My wife is the same goy, like the children, by the way, and?

          Offended? Well, I'm sorry, your people in my country, and in others, too, was not remembered in the best possible way. Not our fault. Do not take personally. Regarding his wife, Shiksa, if I am not mistaken, then it remains for you to sympathize with her, the relationship with her mother-in-law is probably strained, and the neighbors must be squinting. I know from friends as an example. At school, I can say that the closure is nothing more than an accident, this works for us without problems, and the prosecutor’s office doesn’t go there.
          Quote: atalef
          By the way, I was at Schindler’s grave in Jerusalem, his eternal memory
          Schindler may not be in place, along with Artaxerxes I mentioned for example how your sages use goyim to advance their plans. You will not deny the authenticity of the catechism?
          P.S. I am GOY, and proud of it. laughing
    2. zvereok
      zvereok 19 November 2013 19: 02
      0
      Berezovsky, of course a purebred Slav will be? Namely, he was called at that time "gray cardinal"
      1. atalef
        atalef 19 November 2013 19: 36
        -3
        Quote: zvereok
        Berezovsky, of course a purebred Slav will be? Namely, he was called at that time "gray cardinal"

        By halacha, Berezovsky was never considered a Jew this time, and secondly, he was generally baptized Plato Elenin, and did not have Israeli citizenship, but if he were a Jewish mother, as Zhores Alferov would say, then I would understand, but sorry, Berezovsky the real Russian, all the more he chose this nationality (you know when you get your passport at 16) they ask in mixed marriages which nationality you choose laughing
        so that of course he is neither purebred, but a half-Slav - certainly
      2. alicante11
        alicante11 20 November 2013 06: 04
        +1
        Yes, as he was an oligarch, he was a Jew, and he became a bankrupt corpse, so immediately he was Russian. Quite a Jewish approach. now, I think, it will be more clear why there are more Jews on the "ruble" than on "Entuzaast".
  • atalef
    atalef 19 November 2013 19: 05
    -1
    Quote: Ingvar 72
    Quote: faraon
    And the people here are not quite simple for vouchers and privatization certificates will not buy.

    Of course, your people are used to pairing these vouchers to others. The fact of the matter is that we do not need you, but here we are ...

    о
    Exactly, I’ve put my own (as I remember) to someone apiece, probably Abramovich bought all the oil for him
  • Gluxar_
    Gluxar_ 19 November 2013 17: 40
    0
    Quote: faraon
    Why the hell do you need Russia? Oh, and don’t talk. The fact is that Israel is not so divorced as the people of Russia were divorced during the two revolutions. Yes, and the people here are not quite simple for vouchers and privatization certificates.

    For every little people there are their own tools. The Russians are not blood hucksters and they are engaged in all sorts of financial tricks, but I remember the Jews have a weakness for gas chambers and selling theirs for 13 pieces of silver. What will work today?
  • Ascetic
    Ascetic 19 November 2013 21: 51
    +5
    laughing
    Quote: faraon
    Israel is not so divorced as the people of Russia were divorced during the two revolutions


    Who will divorce the breeders themselves? Unless only themselves.
    1. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 19 November 2013 22: 04
      +2
      You are mistaken, and Faraon is simply a romantic because for how the Israelis were divorced in 1982-85, when the banking system crashed, and annual inflation was 440% per year, other countries still need to learn. In Israel, the transition from a partially capitalist system to a market one was just going on. The laws of economics drum Russians, Jews or Martians. You can’t scout them.
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 20 November 2013 10: 18
        0
        Quote: Aron Zaavi
        The laws of economics drum Russians, Jews or Martians. You will not scout them

        Aron, it all depends on who writes these laws. The winner will always be the one who comes up with the rules of the game, and not those who play it. hi
  • velikoros-xnumx
    velikoros-xnumx 19 November 2013 15: 47
    0
    Quote: faraon
    Israeli-Russian friendship

    Do you think this is possible given the Israeli complex of "chosenness"? Friendship, and just a partnership is possible only with an equal and respectful attitude of the parties to each other. Between today's Israel and Russia, this is hardly possible, although, I confess, it is very tempting.
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 19 November 2013 16: 13
      +4
      Quote: velikoros-xnumx
      Friendship, and just partnership is possible only with equal and respectful attitude of the parties to each other

      Respect for the Goyim, this is ridiculous. laughing
      The best of the goyim-kill.
      They want to be friends with us based on their own interests.
      1. atalef
        atalef 20 November 2013 07: 55
        0
        Respect for the Goyim, this is ridiculous.

        Some kind of ingrained inferiority complex.
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 20 November 2013 10: 20
          +1
          Quote: atalef
          Some kind of ingrained inferiority complex.

          I just don't like double-dealing.
    2. faraon
      faraon 19 November 2013 16: 50
      0
      Do you think this is possible given the Israeli complex of "chosenness"? Friendship, and just a partnership, is possible only with an equal and respectful attitude of the parties to each other. Between today's Israel and Russia, this is hardly possible, although, I confess, it is very tempting

      And there is nothing tempting, Israel and Russia have a turnover of $ 4 billion + cooperation in the agricultural sector, the military industry, high-tech, medicine, and much more.
      1. velikoros-xnumx
        velikoros-xnumx 19 November 2013 20: 05
        +2
        Quote: faraon
        And there is nothing tempting, Israel and Russia have a turnover of $ 4 billion + cooperation in the agricultural sector, the military industry, high-tech, medicine, and much more.

        Dear, do not confuse friendship, strategic partnership and trade, although there is certainly a relationship between these concepts, but by no means a direct one.
  • Gluxar_
    Gluxar_ 19 November 2013 15: 09
    0
    Quote: APES
    Project Big Middle East - Israel is not there. It is being drained ...

    Moreover, Israel is hindering the implementation of this project. To understand the situation, you need to ask a simple question - why is Israel needed in the Middle East in its current image of a muscular policeman? When did the chief sheriff leave the area? And the neighborhood is full of "offended" kids who want to show the bill.
  • Oleg14774
    Oleg14774 19 November 2013 17: 53
    +1
    Quote: mirag2
    The Jews have so crushed the USA for themselves that I still wonder how HOW Obama manages to somehow arise against Israel ...

    Do you think that only the United States ?! But the USSR itself disintegrated, or do you think the bear tagged from the "people" got there ?! This is me, as if indirectly hinting. I can add that there is someone else behind Israel, and here the dog rummaged!
  • old rocket man
    old rocket man 19 November 2013 22: 58
    +1
    Quote: mirag2
    Of course more difficult!
    The Jews have so crushed the USA for themselves that I still wonder how HOW Obama manages to somehow arise against Israel ...

    But why be surprised? You yourself answered your own question. Have you looked at E R RE Y, Jews, not Israel. Jews are a very pragmatic and smart nation, it must be admitted, and they support Israel and their fellow tribesmen only when it does not contradict for their economic interests, for the sake of profit, a Jew will let a sibling across the world, and not just Israel
    1. Gluxar_
      Gluxar_ 19 November 2013 23: 26
      +1
      Quote: Old Rocketman
      But why be surprised? You yourself answered your own question. Have you looked at E R RE Y, Jews, not Israel. Jews are a very pragmatic and smart nation, it must be admitted, and they support Israel and their fellow tribesmen only when it does not contradict for their economic interests, for the sake of profit, a Jew will let a sibling across the world, and not just Israel

      It’s hard to argue with such a position. Some of my statements can be read as anti-Jewish, but this is not so. Jews are ordinary people, I have many familiar Jews. We communicate perfectly. But I can’t stand the Jews. And the Israeli policy seems to me a Jew.
      Like a little bastard waving his fists when a big brother stands behind him with a baton in the form of a pair of AUGs and hundreds of military bases.
      What makes Israel not forgivable for a serious state plays Elusive Joe from the highway.
  • Professor
    Professor 19 November 2013 09: 56
    -3
    Everyone knows that Israel cannot bomb Iran, it simply does not have such an opportunity

    A very "deep and detailed analysis" of an anonymous author with thug jargon, there is nothing to cover. request
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 19 November 2013 09: 58
      +3
      Quote: Professor
      Very "deep and detailed analysis"

      The professor is not my article and not my analyzes! There is nothing to quote me, I did not write it
      1. Professor
        Professor 19 November 2013 10: 06
        +2
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        The professor is not my article and not my analyzes! There is nothing to quote me, I did not write it

        I know that you are not the one who claims you. All claims to the author-genius. hi
    2. Same lech
      Same lech 19 November 2013 10: 11
      +8
      smile Very "deep and detailed answer"
      1. Professor
        Professor 19 November 2013 10: 29
        -4
        Quote: The same Lech
        smile Very "deep and detailed answer"

        If you answer to every stupidity then life is not enough.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 19 November 2013 11: 22
          +6
          Quote: Professor

          If you answer to every stupidity then life is not enough.

          At least one stupidity you spent your time and answered, well, how so professor. laughing
    3. WASABI
      WASABI 19 November 2013 10: 59
      17
      Good morning to all and to you, professor, too! smile It is interesting, but is the personality of the atom important in this case? Will we talk about the author or what he wrote? In my opinion, it’s a very solid analysis and correctly emphasized the current inability of Israel to seriously influence US behavior in the Middle East. Do you personally have something to object specifically to this thesis? If there is - please share with the members of the forum. Opinion CONSULTANT (maybe) it will be interesting.
      Now about the article itself:
      he (Netanyahu) was chosen by his own citizens. Hence the responsibility of all Israel for their fate. This approach is very important and allows us to draw conclusions about the systemic error of modern Jewry. As one indignant reader said: “We voted for Netanyahu because he is our only hope for the denunciation of the Camp David Agreement and the Helsinki Peace.”

      In my opinion this is very important. Based on the motives of Israeli citizens in choosing the prime minister, we can conclude that the vast majority of the population of Israel wants peace and pride only for themselves, their loved ones, frankly spitting on their neighbors for their needs and desires. Thus, the Israelis (overwhelmingly) pursue an aggressive, aggressive and hateful policy that openly violates all international standards (the support of which Israel itself declares, but only in cases where it is beneficial to it).
      1. faraon
        faraon 19 November 2013 12: 43
        -4
        In my opinion, it’s a very solid analysis and correctly emphasized the current inability of Israel to seriously influence US behavior in the Middle East.

        In this case, it’s not a dog twisting its tail, but a sabaka’s tail. Israel does not need to influence the policy of the United States in the Middle East, the United States will and will do everything to stay in the Middle East, especially after rattling weapons off the coast of Syria.

        Based on the motives of Israeli citizens in choosing the prime minister, we can conclude that the vast majority of the population of Israel wants peace and pride only for themselves, their loved ones, frankly spitting on their neighbors for their needs and desires.

        Well, first of all, do you think that Israel should be worried about the Syrian neighbors? So, it was possible to conclude a peace treaty on good neighborly relations, just as Jordan and Egypt did. Israel has no claims to them, no one encroaches on their domestic politics. the integrity of their states, but on the contrary, there are joint national economic projects.
        What kind of violation of international norms is it? If the Lebanese attack the border patrol, the Syrian side equips Hezbollah with the latest weapons, for subsequent aggression against Israel.
        The disease must be treated in its initial state, and not then it will become chronic.
        1. WASABI
          WASABI 19 November 2013 12: 59
          +8
          Quote: faraon
          The disease must be treated in its initial state, and not then it will become chronic.

          You know, if our ancestors would heed this (in my opinion effective) advice, then now you and I had a chance to talk.
          Quote: faraon
          In this case, not the dog twists its tail, but the tail of the sabakoy

          It depends on whom you associate with the "tail" !? If you mean Israel, then it is still TRYING to "wag" the dog and not even one. As a second dog he dreamed of Russia, but, I think, in this case, the vision clearly let down the "tail".
          Quote: faraon
          Do you think that Israel should worry about the Syrian neighbors?

          I believe that Israel should stop provoking neighbors to use available (for neighbors) force to it. Snobbery, awareness of their own impunity and a false sense of exclusivity did not bring anyone to prosperity, and Israel, in this case not an exception, but rather, the most striking example.
          1. silver_roman
            silver_roman 19 November 2013 15: 02
            +2
            Quote: VASABI
            You know, if our ancestors would heed this (in my opinion effective) advice, then now you and I had a chance to talk.

            Elegantly noticed and most importantly to the very point!
            1. Gluxar_
              Gluxar_ 19 November 2013 18: 05
              +5
              Quote: faraon
              The international community, as well as the UN, does not allow the transfer of weapons to a third party, in this case Assad transfers weapons to Hezbollah, which has the status of a terrorist organization hostile to Israel.

              You are blind again. Have you convinced yourself of this state of affairs? Has Israel at least once proved its suspicions? If today the Russian squadron is operating in Israel under the pretext that they had suspicions that Israel had transferred some military technology to Georgia, and that in turn, to terrorists in the Caucasus, would you accept such legitimate actions by Russia?
              To do something, you need to PROVE that it is so. And not to act on the basis of only your desires. If you track the loyalty of states to such antics, then look at the rhetoric against Israel. On the one hand, no one strongly scolds him, but no one speaks about Israel's support. The "dead" president of France with a rating of less than 20% of the population's support is a rare lame duck bought by the Jewish lobby and that is cunning and dominates in issues important for Israel.

              The fact that Israel violates the norms of international law sounds from all demands. Hezbollah is recognized by only a dozen countries as a terrorist organization. the rest of the world treats them as a legitimate political force. Israel has no right to bomb Syria, Lebanon or the columns of Hezbollah ... if it does, then any other people or group has every right to exterminate any Jew on the planet under the pretext that he could potentially "kill the best of the goyim." So what are we giving carte blanche to all mankind? Will the Jew survive it? Clever Jews have been talking for years that Israel is the bald knee of Jewry, precisely because of its behavior and the fact that it endangers all Jews on the planet.
              The era is changing, the period of prosperity of the Jews of the last century is also ending, the basis of the banking system they control is also ending. People understand everything, aggression builds up. I think that soon all the destitute or the robbed may ask to pay off the bill. Think about this before re-engaging your exclusive "Jewish vision" of the situation.
        2. Gluxar_
          Gluxar_ 19 November 2013 15: 28
          +2
          Quote: faraon
          In this case, it’s not a dog twisting its tail, but a sabaka’s tail. Israel does not need to influence the policy of the United States in the Middle East, the United States will and will do everything to stay in the Middle East, especially after rattling weapons off the coast of Syria.

          In this case, all the same, the dog pinched its tail and wants to free itself faster. Israel is out of his skin and climbs to get at least the political support of the United States, but in vain. Thus, Israel only signed its impotence. I remember someone drew circles with red dashes, alluding to Iran. And what is the result? In the US, there is debate whether to lift sanctions or not. And some time ago, the US itself was preparing a strike on Iran. The US relied on Iran and now Israel is interfering not only with its neighbors, but also with its master. What are they doing to the dog who bit the master?
          Quote: faraon
          Well, first of all, do you think that Israel should be worried about the Syrian neighbors? So, it was possible to conclude a peace treaty on good neighborly relations, just as Jordan and Egypt did. Israel has no claims to them, no one encroaches on their domestic politics. the integrity of their states, but on the contrary, there are joint national economic projects. What kind of violation of international standards is it? If the Lebanese attack the border patrol, the Syrian side equips Hezbollah with the latest weapons, for subsequent aggression against Israel. The disease must be treated in its initial state, and not then it will become chronic.

          And here the "Jewish thinking" is manifested, which was written about in the article. You can't see beyond your own nose. Officially, Israel put pressure on the fact that it was a victim of aggression first by "fascists" and then by "Islamists". On this, political gingerbread often won.
          However, when a real Islamist orgy began near its borders, he supported these same terrorists. He even helped in something. This is a complete failure of Israeli policy, as a mininum he needed to be silent in a rag, or even prohibit the transfer of militants to his territory, and it is better to arrest them revealingly. He misjudged the disposition of the parties and exchanged his political immunity in the matter of terrorism for an attempt to get even with his old adversary.
          As for good-neighborly relations with Syria, it would be possible to first remove the occupation of Syrian territory, and then agree on something ... but the "Jewish vision" here makes Israel blind too. Such mistakes are usually paid with their statehood.

          And in the third episode tode, the "Jewish vision" is manifested in all its glory. In fact, no one can bomb a foreign state without the sanction of the UN, that is, the totality of all the peoples of the world. Israel by its actions puts itself above everyone else, but in fact lowers itself to the level of a bully. Such things are not forgotten. If there is any confirmation that someone is violating something. Collect evidence in the international court or the UN. If the Great States acted according to this principle, then Israel was covered with ashes back in 2008, the Saudis a decade earlier, and Qatar would not exist at all.
          Israel itself has driven itself into a corner by idiotic actions, now it is time to pay the bills.
          1. faraon
            faraon 19 November 2013 17: 18
            -4
            As for good-neighborly relations with Syria, it would be possible to first remove the occupation of Syrian territory, and then agree on something ... but the "Jewish vision" here makes Israel blind too. Such mistakes are usually paid with their statehood.

            On the basis that Israel attacked Syria in the six-day war, In international law there is such a concept of annexation, indemnity. (Compensation for the damage done) is what the USSR did when it exported factories from Germany and in general everything that could be exported, Keninsberg-Kaliningrad , for some reason, Russia, as the legal successor of the USSR, is in no hurry to return everything that it annexed to the Second World War. This is about the same. And Syria knows this very well, but the fact that she does not agree with the outcome of the war is her own business.

            You are mistaken about the support of terrorists. Israel has closed its borders and opens them only for the humanitarian purpose of helping victims of the hostilities, mainly civilians and fighters of government forces, all of which is similar to how UN soldiers bring home to the border checkpoint and transfer them to the Israeli side. So all actions for the provision of medical care are held under the auspices of the UN.

            Israel, by its actions, puts itself above all, but actually lowers itself to the level of a bully. Such things are not forgotten. If there is any evidence that someone is violating something. Collect evidence in the international court or the UN.


            The international community, as well as the UN, does not allow the transfer of weapons to a third party, in this case Assad transfers weapons to Hezbollah, which has the status of a terrorist organization hostile to Israel. Assad is informed of this, so he knows what will follow.
            Only transports with weapons transferred to Hezbollah are bombed.
            Therefore, no one in the world, including Assad, makes any claims to Israel. So the question of treacherous attacks on the positions of the SA is not substantive.
            Just Israel did not drive itself into a corner, it simply did not allow itself to be drawn into this conflict, although many wished it.
            1. Gluxar_
              Gluxar_ 19 November 2013 18: 05
              0
              Quote: faraon
              On the basis that Israel attacked Syria in the six-day war, In international law there is such a concept of annexation, indemnity. (Compensation for the damage done) is what the USSR did when it exported factories from Germany and in general everything that could be exported, Keninsberg-Kaliningrad , for some reason, Russia, as the legal successor of the USSR, is in no hurry to return everything that it annexed to the Second World War. This is about the same. And Syria knows this very well, but the fact that she does not agree with the outcome of the war is her own business.

              Your "Jewish vision" is always with you. But in reality you are blind. The demand to return the territory is being put forward not only by Syria, but by the entire international community. to remain deaf to this is called isolation.
              It’s not for Israel to talk about the right of power, for it is destruction. If you seriously think that you are able to act from a position of strength, then the flag is in your hands. Talk about the right to annexation and indemnities? We agreed, but if you are rolled out and demanded to be indemnified by your blood, then do not fall to your knees and appeal to pity as it was after the 45th.
              The West has always stood behind the victories of Israel, the very existence of Israel is a chain dog project to contain the national liberation movements growing at that time, which worked in the 60s and is no longer relevant for today.
              If you like everything and you look with confidence on tomorrow, this is your right. However, it has been correctly noted that nobody needs you, and not the necessary things are thrown into the landfill.
              I'm not saying that Israel will be destroyed in the 2014 war, just a strong Israel is not needed by anyone and all of its world donors cut off his oxygen. However, Israel and its people do not want to see this and continue to behave as if they are in a tank. For this they will pay when the return wave comes and you find yourself alone. Bluffing is good, but you need to know when to stop. Without allies, Jews cannot survive surrounded by "modern Islam."
        3. Current 72
          Current 72 19 November 2013 18: 35
          +2
          Oh well !!! All the Israelis are attacking you, and you are so white and fluffy !!! How much land did you tear off from a powerful Palestine armed with machine guns ??? If it weren’t for the USA, you would have been torn to pieces long ago.
          1. atalef
            atalef 19 November 2013 18: 55
            -4
            Quote: Current 72
            Oh well !!! All the Israelis are attacking you, and you are so white and fluffy !!! How much land did you tear off from a powerful Palestine armed with machine guns ??? If it weren’t for the USA, you would have been torn to pieces long ago.

            Well, in general, now at the talks we are talking about 3% of the territory (the west coast. T, they left the Gaza Strip to the last centimeter), if Israel agrees to return them, they will sign it at least tomorrow (Israel is ready to exchange them for the same territory, only in another place ), while providing a direct link to the Gaza Strip (which has never happened), does the Gaza Strip always relate to Egypt, and Z. Bereg refers to Jordan - is there still a question about the territories?
            Further, they will tear it up, 5 countries didn’t break it in 5 wars, by the way the question is without the USSR of its supply of weapons, specialists, money, and in general, would they dare to rock the boat, and if they rock the boat, where would they be?
            1. Aaron Zawi
              Aaron Zawi 19 November 2013 19: 38
              -2
              And besides the minuses, anything to indicate the position?
              1. faraon
                faraon 20 November 2013 11: 39
                0
                And besides the minuses, anything to indicate the position?

                yes, what are you Aron, when there are no arguments, but there is one foam at the mouth of anger and hatred, which can be talked about. We Jews are like an eyesore for everyone. Nobody wants to look at their problems, but only look through the fence to a neighbor.
                And this is the main trouble of most members of the forum.
                Like "the neighbor's roof is covered with iron -Fist and the world-eater well, etc. etc. It would never occur to anyone that if the Jews had as much money as they show on the forum then the world would have long belonged to them.
                It’s just that people have a very developed lumpen complex, they have endless expanses of Russian fruitful black soil, and they buy grain abroad.
                Everyone is waiting for their uncle to plow them, to sow, to harvest, and then they will nationalize it, and the wildest will sell it and take all the capital to overseas abroad, and again say the Jews are to blame for everything.
                So for me, Aaron is a minus as a plus, and this is already pleasing
              2. alicante11
                alicante11 20 November 2013 13: 54
                0
                Well, not only your brother minus unanswered.
          2. Aaron Zawi
            Aaron Zawi 19 November 2013 18: 58
            +1
            Quote: Current 72
            Oh well !!! All the Israelis are attacking you, and you are so white and fluffy !!! How much land did you tear off from a powerful Palestine armed with machine guns ??? If it weren’t for the USA, you would have been torn to pieces long ago.

            And tell me where and when did the state of Palestine exist? Why did not Jordan and Egypt create it at the end of the war of 1948-49?
      2. Professor
        Professor 19 November 2013 13: 47
        +1
        Quote: VASABI
        It is interesting, but is the personality of the atom important in this case?

        Of course, it is important if it is Akhmad Tibi this is one thing, and if Vasya Pupkin is another. All the more, the author is so proud of his "prophetic" article six months ago.

        Quote: VASABI
        Do you personally have something to object specifically to this thesis? If there is - please share with the members of the forum. The CONSULTANT's opinion (possibly) will be interesting.

        Let's start with the fact that I am a "consultant" in materiel, and even then not always, and I have never claimed the title of an expert. I will express my opinion, but I will not enter into polemics. Want to agree with my IMHO or not.

        Quote: VASABI
        Thus, the Israelis (overwhelmingly) pursue an aggressive, aggressive and misanthropic policy that openly violates all international standards (the support of which Israel itself declares, but only in cases where it is beneficial to it).

        For your information, the granddaughter of Ismalil Haniya (the leader of Hamas and a fierce enemy of Israel calling for the destruction of Israel and all its inhabitants) was taken yesterday from the Gaza Strip to the Israeli Sheba hospital. These "misanthropists" tried to save the child in spite of his father and grandfather.

        About the article. Let's omit the thieves' jargon like "dropped", etc.
        “We voted for Netanyahu because he is our only hope for the denunciation of the Camp David Agreement and the Helsinki Peace.”

        -Lying. Bibi always and from all tribunes informed the voters about the continuation of the peace course, "two countries for two peoples" and that he undertakes to fulfill the agreements already signed, despite the fact that he does not agree with them.

        "Thus, we see that the threat of Israel's collapse comes primarily from the unwise citizens and politicians of Israel."

        there is no threat of collapse. The economy is cooling, but far from crisis. GDP is growing, the army is growing stronger, immigration exceeds emigration.

        "We are forced to retreat in order to retain the right to build 1500 houses in the occupied territory."

        again a lie. It was not about any concessions on the Iranian issue, but on the Palestinian question. More specifically, the release of Arab prisoners with Jewish blood on their hands is an act of goodwill. As compensation, the right announced the construction of new houses. And there is no maratorio not the construction of those houses, the author is lying.

        Israel is weak, and it is already being beaten and will be beaten in the future.

        There would be arguments that could be refuted. I do not argue with the slogans.

        The United States forced Israel to abandon the idea of ​​bombing Iran, and Netanyahu then made his statement about the possibility of preserving the construction of 1500 houses.

        Again a lie. The military option is open and 1500 houses are not related to the Iranian problem at all.

        Now that Obama has “lowered” Israel

        I don’t want to read further, excuse me and unsubscribe from receiving comments.
        1. WASABI
          WASABI 19 November 2013 14: 16
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          Quote: Professor
          Sorry and unsubscribe from receiving comments.

          It's a pity, professor! True. I was just glad to have the opportunity to discuss with you, and not read posts like "I don't care about your opinion", but this is your right! If you change your mind, welcome to the light!
    4. bif
      19 November 2013 11: 38
      +4
      Quote: Professor
      A very "deep and detailed analysis" of an anonymous author with thieves' jargon - nothing to cover

      Your dissatisfaction once again proves the author is right.
      Thus, we see that the threat of Israel's collapse comes primarily from the unwise citizens and politicians of Israel. However, fortunately, now nothing depends on Israel, and in this case, as they say, God did not give horns to the butting cow. The Orthodox say: "And he can get hurt by the cross."
  • bif
    19 November 2013 12: 12
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    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Maybe 10 will not drop tonnage bombs, but they will delay Iran for years under the nuclear program ... In any case, Israel will do everything, and then the lobby will work and fly to help Israel and B 52 and B 2

    If everything depended on Israel, then it had already bombed, but the GBU-57 bombs and aircraft (B-2 and B-52) were not of Israel, but the United States, and most importantly, for such an operation Iran would very much want to turn Israel into the Gobi Desert, but from this I can save the "militant state" only the patronage of the states, but it does not and will not be in the foreseeable future.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 19 November 2013 12: 19
      +1
      Quote: bif
      , and most importantly, for such an operation, Iran will be very willing to turn Israel into the Gobi Desert

      Iran understands that after the strike on Israel, the United States will enter the war with all its sixes. Therefore, Iran has only one way out, to shoot down planes, if they cannot ...
      1. bif
        19 November 2013 14: 49
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        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Therefore, Iran has only one way out, to bring down planes

        So the author writes about this For delivery, you must use either B-2 or B-52. Now imagine that there should be a lot of goals, which means there will be many planes too. Add refueling to everything, and you will get dizzying aircraft traffic in the sky, with a total number of at least 50 units. For Iranian air defense, it will be a "good hunt."
        That is why a couple of dozens of Israeli Air Force pilots who traveled to the United States to train the B-2 pilot are still ... piloting the simulator
        1. atalef
          atalef 19 November 2013 15: 06
          +2
          Quote: bif
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Therefore, Iran has only one way out, to bring down planes

          So the author writes about this For delivery, you must use either B-2 or B-52. Now imagine that there should be a lot of goals, which means there will be many planes too. Add refueling to everything, and you will get dizzying aircraft traffic in the sky, with a total number of at least 50 units. For Iranian air defense, it will be a "good hunt."
          That is why a couple of dozens of Israeli Air Force pilots who traveled to the United States to train the B-2 pilot are still ... piloting the simulator

          Well, crushing Iranian air defense will not be difficult, in Syria (for your information, it has always been cooler than Iranian-the results are known)
          Everything else is the same fairy tales, Israel doesn’t have B2, like 10 ton bombs (which there is nothing to carry), and no one learns to use anywhere else 2 - empty fairy tales (it seems that the two learned to fly on it, and that's all it ended) - a bicycle or something?
          Israel simultaneously kept in the air more than 100 aircraft at exercises with refueling, etc., so that the same does not correspond,
          2008 article
          In early June, the Israeli Air Force conducted large-scale exercises over the Mediterranean Sea, in which more than 100 combat aircraft, refueling aircraft and helicopters took part. As the New York Times reported on Friday, citing official sources in the Bush administration, the exercises were a rehearsal of a military operation to destroy Iran’s nuclear facilities.

          In the course of the exercises, long-range flights with refueling in the air, as well as long-range rescue operations to evacuate pilots of downed aircraft, were practiced. According to the New York Times, IDF air forces conduct large-scale exercises every summer, but helicopters are usually not involved in them, and rescue operations are not practiced.

          Whether they will bomb Iran - in my opinion they won’t, so I wrote it 2 years ago,
          Will they come to an agreement with Iran (Europe and the United States) - of course, will Iran get a bomb - surely, will the nuclear arms race begin, the same of course, will Iran bomb Israel - of course not, neither will he have a bomb for that, will Russia suffer from all this- unequivocally, the first time with a drop in oil prices (when the embargo on Iran is lifted), and the second when Saudi, Turkey and Iraq - the same rush towards nuclear weapons, I'm not saying that we will be in chocolate from this whole situation, no we will have to spend more on defense, but this whole situation does not bring any advantages to Russia, and by the way, Iran will, of course, finish building a gas pipeline to Europe (through Syria) without sanctions - this will certainly "improve the position" of Gazprom, so that the position is not one-way and look further
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 19 November 2013 15: 25
            +1
            Quote: atalef
            Will Russia suffer from all of this, for the first time, with the rise in oil prices (when lifting the embargo on Iran

            Hey hello! You are mistaken, they will not agree. You think on the part of the mind, and your government supports terrorists in Syria and even say that they are preferable. They will not allow Iran to create a bomb, simply because theoretically it can be put on a missile that will reach Israel. Holland has already shown what is needed and who is on whose side, acting as a lightning rod from the United States.
            1. atalef
              atalef 19 November 2013 15: 39
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              Sasha, of course, will agree, France will not hurt, France has its own interests, it understands that the lifting of sanctions from Iran is the infusion of Iranian grandmothers into Syria, and France dreams of dropping Assad, but he will recover and believe, within 20 days from today (maximum ) - an agreement (it can only be partially - but with the lifting of sanctions) I can argue as always in Courvoisier drinks
              Once again I tell you - we do not support bandits in Syria - well, why should I even lie to Igoryanich? Believe me, even if it was - we had a moral right to this, for Assad’s support of Hezbollah, Hamas, Jihad, but this is not because Israel is for Assad, but because we don’t need it at the moment, when need, maybe we will.
              A bomb in Iran is inevitable, so I think it’s not even because of the date or not, they will try not to, but if the regime in Iran does not change or some kind of natural cataclysm happens, the bomb in Iran will be
              By the way, France was a prostitute, and she will remain, we never hoped for France and words are just words. In general, who can believe France?
      2. silver_roman
        silver_roman 19 November 2013 15: 07
        +1
        Iran also understands that nuclear weapons are a kind of guarantee of security (although sometimes imaginary). And the enemies surround and even weave alliances (Arabia and Israel), fueled by one thing: one common desire to destroy Iran or reduce it to the scale of modern Libya or the countries of Africa!
        If a blow is struck against Iran, then it simply will not have a way out and will have to respond differently after such impunity on the part of Israel, Arabia will not take long to wait.
        Also much depends on the position of the Russian Federation and China ... in other matters, as always!
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    2. faraon
      faraon 19 November 2013 12: 52
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      the most important thing for such an operation, Iran will very much want to turn Israel into the Gobi desert,

      Yes, Iran will not do anything, for one reason that it will hurt neighboring Arab states with its answer, but they will not forgive him and the Arabs themselves will arrange the Gobi Desert in the place of Iran. And Iran takes this into account, believe me, not stupid people are sitting there too who calculate the consequences of this act.
      The time of Ahmenijad has sunk into oblivion. Now Iran is trying its best to restore its relations with the world community, and soften the sanctions imposed on it.
      1. alicante11
        alicante11 19 November 2013 14: 32
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        Well, they don't hit you, and if you start hitting, then what difference does it make to Iran how the "Arabs" look at it (what kind of representatives of the most ancient profession they are, and how the Assad clan could appear among them). Or do you think that you will also bomb Iran from foreign airspace, like Syria? Hell no. Iran is not Syria.

        The time of Ahmenijad has sunk into oblivion. Now Iran is trying its best to restore its relations with the world community, and soften the sanctions imposed on it.


        Why do they need it? They wanted to sneeze at your economic sanctions while in favor with China. Look, even Assad helps with money.
      2. atalef
        atalef 19 November 2013 15: 26
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        Quote: silver_roman
        Iran also understands that nuclear weapons are a guarantee of security. And the enemies surround and even weave alliances (Arabia and Israel).
        If a blow is struck against Iran, then it simply will not have a way out and will have to respond differently after such impunity on the part of Israel, Arabia will not take long to wait.
        Also much depends on the position of the Russian Federation and China ... in other matters, as always!

        The fact that nuclear weapons are good for Iran - even Wasabi is clear, the question is different; for Russia, Iran has nuclear weapons - how? Good, bad, does it matter? will Russia react to this and how? Well .... your scripts
        1. silver_roman
          silver_roman 19 November 2013 15: 47
          +1
          Well, officially the Russian Federation is a member of the club for non-proliferation of nuclear weapons, but as recent rumors show, this is practically not controlled.
          If already in open Arabia declares that it can receive nuclear weapons from Pakistan at any moment, it seems that nobody disputes the presence of nuclear weapons in Israel.
          It is time.

          Officially, the monarchies of the bay do not act as ardent opponents of the Russian Federation, but it is also no secret that they are sponsors of illegal gangs in the regions of the Caucasus. So it is likely that the Russian Federation will support behind the scenes the Iranian nuclear program to counterbalance the same Arabia. What about Israel, it never fully stood on the side of the Russian Federation and was a pro-Western player.
          My opinion is that the Russian Federation will choose the least evil, but as it will be in fact, time will tell!
          1. atalef
            atalef 19 November 2013 15: 55
            -2
            Well, in general, as I understand it, there is no answer, except that Russia will support Iran as opposed to Saudi Arabia, and Saudi Arabia, than Russia has stepped on its tail? I somehow did not see a single note of protest or a warning in the direction of Saudi from Russia
            I asked a specific question, nuclear weapons in Iran (a fait accompli - suppose). It's like for Russia - good, bad, on the drum
            Someone will answer?
            And its actions, depending on the option you choose
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 19 November 2013 16: 03
              +1
              Quote: atalef
              Someone will answer?

              As always jews laughing
              1. atalef
                atalef 19 November 2013 16: 08
                +1
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Quote: atalef
                Someone will answer?

                As always jews laughing

                Sanya, we can’t, we answer the question, answer the question
            2. silver_roman
              silver_roman 19 November 2013 16: 08
              +2
              http://vz.ru/news/2013/11/19/660340.html

              Here is a link about the reaction of the Russian Foreign Ministry to a possible attack on Iran.
              And guessing about what will happen IF ... is an extremely ungrateful affair.

              Quote: atalef
              Saudi Arabia than Russia came to the tail?

              did you read my comment? financing extremists! This is enough to blacklist Arabia.

              Quote: atalef
              I asked a specific question, nuclear weapons in Iran (a fait accompli - suppose). It's like for Russia - good, bad, on the drum

              My personal opinion: this is bad. Any new player with nuclear weapons is a monkey with a grenade. Especially if he is new to this format of geopolitics. Russia and the United States connect a dozen different packages regarding nuclear weapons, their deployment, and even more so their application.
              and in general, talks about Iran’s nuclear weapons are empty words ... Some concern from neighboring states. Why then not raise the issue of Israel possessing nuclear weapons? let in experts from the UN and IAEA ???
              In Iran, there is indeed an acute problem with a shortage of electricity. They do not have a hydroelectric power station. Atomic energy is really a way out!
              1. atalef
                atalef 19 November 2013 18: 39
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                In Iran, there is indeed an acute problem with a shortage of electricity. They do not have a hydroelectric power station. Atomic energy is really a way out!

                With their amount of gas? You made fun, for information, I. reactor, maximum output of 1200 megawatts (from two turbines), cost over 5 billion, Siemens gas turbine, 375 MW, cost of 60 million bucks (with construction - 130 million), service staff -16 people, --- construction - year. Want to calculate the difference per kilowatt? There is no place for gas in the Iranian territory; it almost cannot transport it (yet), why do I need it. energy?
                Tell me the kilowatt. energy is cheaper than gas, I laugh as a person involved in this.
                1. silver_roman
                  silver_roman 19 November 2013 19: 04
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                  I admit, a sensible remark. What about Iran’s development and production of gas?
                  at the expense of the cost of energy in relation to gas (in the presence of technologies for production, exploration and development) I think it is clear!
                  What if the Iranians are greedy and want to warm up on exports ??? lol A joke by itself ...
                  1. atalef
                    atalef 19 November 2013 19: 23
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                    Quote: silver_roman
                    I admit, a sensible remark. What about Iran’s development and production of gas?
                    at the expense of the cost of energy in relation to gas (in the presence of technologies for production, exploration and development) I think it is clear!
                    What if the Iranians are greedy and want to warm up on exports ??? lol A joke by itself ...

                    How about gas production? And how is gas production different from oil production? and with this they always seemed to be in order, but if the Iranians are greedy and want to warm up on export, then it is clear that they will heat up only at the expense of someone, who do you think they will heat up in Europe? so the question is about filling and what happens to the prices (for gas in this case) when there is more than one seller on the market? Saw the branch on which we sit? Or do I not understand something?
                  2. silver_roman
                    silver_roman 19 November 2013 19: 35
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                    Quote: atalef
                    And how is gas production different from oil production?

                    it’s even in fact gas is easier to produce, in the first stages even DKSki (booster compressor stations) are not needed. Himself from the valine wells, God forbid.

                    To launch a gas pipeline through Syria in the near future is pure extreme. There are so many crazy groups that blow up everything they see. This is a question of five - for decades, and during this time how the regime can change, there is the mood in general in the country and in the world.

                    And by the way, about gas prices: China will soon spit out its lungs from the smog of coal. It is not for nothing that Putin directs his "gaze" to Asia, since understands Europe - an old woman with ambitions and no more! lol
                  3. atalef
                    atalef 19 November 2013 19: 42
                    0
                    To launch a gas pipeline through Syria in the near future is pure extreme. There are so many crazy groups that blow up everything they see. This is a question of five - for decades, and during this time how the regime can change, there is the mood in general in the country and in the world.

                    That’s why the question is,
                    1 why do they need me. energy with an excess of cheap gas

                    2 Russia has a problem with Syria, the gas pipeline will be laid in any case, Assad will win - then Iran (I laid out that the agreement was signed and that it is already under construction on the Iranian part, google, the Iran-Syria gas pipeline agreement)
                    or Qatar - if the bandits defeat, so in a long mess in Syria, oddly enough, Russia is also interested, this is the logic
            3. Gluxar_
              Gluxar_ 19 November 2013 19: 59
              +1
              Quote: atalef
              With their amount of gas? You made fun, for information, I. reactor, maximum output of 1200 megawatts (from two turbines), cost over 5 billion, Siemens gas turbine, 375 mW, cost of 60 million dollars (with construction - 130 million), service staff -16 people, --- construction - year. Want to calculate the difference per kilowatt? There is no place for gas in the Iranian territory; it almost cannot transport it (yet), why do I need it. energy? Tell me kilowatts. energy is cheaper than gas, I laugh as a person involved in this.

              Is this your special Jewish arithmetic? The cost of the first unit of Bushehr NPP is about a billion dollars, at the output of 1000 megawatts of electric energy and 3000 mvat of heat.
              The cost of the Siemens experimental setup with a capacity of 340 megawatts is about 500 million euros or 670 million dollars, this is in Germany. Transportation and installation in Iran will increase the final cost to a billion. Orders will be executed after the tests, that is, somewhere by 2025 Iran will be able to get the first turbine from Siemens, if the sanctions are lifted of course. And then he will be able to generate 340 megawatts of his energy.
              And according to the plans of the country, by 2015 they want to have nuclear power in the amount of 6000 MW.
              The cost of generating nuclear energy is lower than any other, including burning gas. And do not forget about the environment.
              1. atalef
                atalef 19 November 2013 21: 14
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                Quote: Gluxar_
                Is this your special Jewish arithmetic? The cost of the first unit of Bushehr NPP is about a billion dollars, at the output of 1000 megawatts

                Tales tell another about cost
                An intergovernmental Russian-Turkish agreement on cooperation in the construction and operation of the first Turkish nuclear power plant in the Mediterranean province of Mersin, at the Akkuyu site, was signed on May 12, 2010 in Ankara. The project provides for the construction four power units with a capacity of 1,2 GW each according to the Russian project "AES-2006" with a pressurized water reactor.
                Akkuyu NPP will generate about 35 trillion kWh per year.
                Since 2012, the project has been implemented by the united company JSC "NIAEP" - JSC ASE.
                In 2012, the survey work on the project of a nuclear power plant in Turkey will be completed. According to April 2012, there was a process of coordination on the start of preparatory work under the project.
                The total cost of building the first Turkish nuclear power plant will be $ 20 billion.


                РИА Новости http://ria.ru/spravka/20120718/702604202.html#ixzz2l70bTXQ1

                Divide into the 4th block and you will receive - 5 billion. Cost, a nuclear power plant does not add up only from the reactor, there is still much that is around, from construction. turbines, generators. substations, etc., etc.
                All this is included in the price. Therefore 5 billion
                Quote: Gluxar_
                The cost of an experimental Siemens installation with a capacity of 340 megawatts is about 500 million euros or 670 million dollars, this is in Germany

                Well yes . we have Siemens and Geniral electric turbines of 130 million, - I spoke about gas turbines.
                A natural gas turbine was commissioned at the Khagit-2 power plant. Infrastructure Minister Benjamin Ben-Eliezer (Fuad): "This is the first swallow, heralding the gradual transition of most of Israel's power plants to cleaner fuels."

                The gas turbine of the Khagit-2 power plant will generate 350 megawatts of electricity annually. By April 2010, another gas turbine of the same capacity is to be commissioned.

                I work in this system
              2. Gluxar_
                Gluxar_ 19 November 2013 23: 06
                +1
                Quote: atalef
                Tales tell another about cost

                Do you turn on your exclusive logic again? What does the Turkish project have to do with it? Count the Irnian project and find the official numbers. You have really strange logic, take some strange construction and throw it on a completely different project. The cost of Bushehr NPP is about 1 billion dollars. The Iranians are able to count and have considered that nuclear energy is cheaper and its development meets their interests.
                Quote: atalef
                Well yes . we have Siemens and Geniral electric turbines of 130 million, - I spoke about gas turbines.

                Quote: atalef
                I work in this system

                Well, judging by your comments, you are working in a completely different field ... maximum guard. Who do you have it with? And which turbines? Can you name the brand? I wrote about the SGT5-8000H turbine. only it fits your power indicators. But this is not a serial device.

                In any case, nuclear energy is the cheapest. A ticket to this club is expensive. Increasing the power and dignity of the blocks is not so difficult. No need to pull new pipelines, build compressor stations. The total number of staff will be off scale. This is not 16 people per turbine.
                All countries that have resources are developing nuclear energy. China, India, Russia, the United States and Iran are moving in the same direction.
              3. atalef
                atalef 19 November 2013 23: 21
                -1
                Quote: Gluxar_
                Do you turn on your exclusive logic again? What does the Turkish project have to do with it?

                Because the blocks are identical

                Quote: Gluxar_
                I wrote about the SGT5-8000H turbine. only it fits your power indicators. But this is not a serial device.

                Pay attention to the article I cited about the turbine on the second block of Hagit -2 and its power, as the year of installation. So after that 2 turbines were introduced - Haifa-Dalet. Alon tvar -1 turbine. Gezer has 2 turbines, and by the end of this year another one on Hagit is another turbine. I'm not talking about the first 600 mW Orot private company - the same 2 gas turbines.

                Quote: Gluxar_
                . It’s not so difficult to increase power and dignity blocks

                Like 2 fingers about aswalt - 1 reactor - 2 turbines, as easy as shelling pears - 5 billion block

                Quote: Gluxar_
                No need to pull new pipelines, build compressor stations

                What are you talking about ? Or do you think that compressor stations are the main device at your power station in your opinion? Or why are they at all - so I understand

                Quote: Gluxar_
                All countries that have resources are developing nuclear energy. China, India, Russia, the United States and Iran are moving in the same direction.

                It’s strange. why Qatar. Saudi Bahrain - no?
                Because gas is cheaper and don’t tell me. I'm not talking about security. utilization rate. power adjustments - at peak loads and in general the absence of the main boiler - what is the reactivity of steam boilers I think it’s useless to explain to you - the main thing is the compressors on email. station.
              4. Gluxar_
                Gluxar_ 19 November 2013 23: 53
                +2
                Quote: atalef
                Because the blocks are identical

                What does the block have to do with it? Are we talking about the Bushehr nuclear power plant or not? Turks sold for 5, they bought. What is there in the contract is not clear, maybe there are taken into account the supply of raw materials for 20 years in advance, maybe burial grounds or export mining. There is much more that could be.
                Do you have any other data on the cost of Bushehr NPP? Bring them.
                Quote: atalef
                Pay attention to the article I cited about the turbine on the second block of Hagit -2 and its power, as the year of installation. So after that 2 turbines were introduced - Haifa-Dalet. Alon tvar -1 turbine. Gezer has 2 turbines, and by the end of this year another one on Hagit is another turbine. I'm not talking about the first 600 mW Orot private company - the same 2 gas turbines.

                You have given specific performance characteristics of the product that you recommend to Iran. Under such performance characteristics, I know only one model of a gas turbine. I brought its value.
                Iran does not give up gas energy, it was and remains the main source of generation. But it is not enough. Why is Iran developing a standing nuclear industry? To cover the energy deficit in the state. Does he have a right to this? Yes, it has. Does Israel have the right to blame Iran for creating an atomic bomb without proving it? No, it doesn’t. Does Israel have the right to bomb Iran’s nuclear facilities under the pretext that they are used to create nuclear weapons? No, it doesn’t.
                Will the world community accept a state like Israel under its current policy, if there is no USA behind Israel? No, it won’t. Can Israel alone survive in the Middle East, surrounded by countries such as Egypt, Syria, Iran, the SA, etc. ? No can not.
                Quote: atalef
                What are you talking about ? Or do you think that compressor stations are the main device at your power station in your opinion? Or why are they at all - so I understand

                To get energy by burning gas, this gas must somehow be delivered to a gas power plant. From the station itself, you need to stretch power lines to consumers, build transformer nodes and related infrastructure. The location of the TPP should be in a non-residential area. And a lot more. Iran, like many industrial countries, relied on nuclear power plants, including because of convenience. Build one facility with a generation of 6 MW, than several stations with a generation of 000 MW, each of which will have to pull the infrastructure.
                Quote: atalef
                It’s strange. why Qatar. Saudi, Bahrain - no? Because gas is cheaper and don’t tell me. I'm not talking about security. utilization rate. power adjustments - at peak loads and in general the absence of the main boiler - what is the reactivity of steam boilers I think it’s useless to explain to you - the main thing is the compressors on email. station.

                Because these are too small fish. They do not have such a need for electricity, because industry is not so developed. To create a nuclear power plant, certain conditions are needed, as in the whole industry.
                Not every state is capable of such projects, and the micro-states you have listed do not belong to the elite club. Not only money is important.
              5. atalef
                atalef 20 November 2013 12: 03
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                What does the block have to do with it

                Because if you are trying to argue, try to understand the basics and elementary terminology first, in thermal power plants (which include nuclear power plants), the block terminology - means a bunch - a boiler (reactor) - a turbine-generator - and consider them separately, is the same as it’s kind of like talking about the car as a whole, but when it’s without wheels, motor or clutch
                Are we talking about the Bushehr nuclear power plant or not?

                Yes, therefore, if you didn’t have time to get acquainted with the basic concepts of energy, at least get acquainted with the history of the Bushehr power plant, which was actually built more than 25 years ago, but Siemens (due to sanctions) stopped cooperation, therefore, the billionth contract of Rosatom meant only alteration of the reactor and protection (to the Russian project) and nothing more, Germany and France had already paid for everything else at the time, and you probably thought that this was the entire station of 1 billion - you could still google it for a start, and then argue
                Turks sold for 5, they bought

                maybe it's the price of a nuclear power unit everywhere and always, or you think that the Turks, the Egyptians, the Jordanians, and ... you don’t know the prices
                This is the price of a block (a block is actually a station), a station can wind up from more than one number of blocks - so for general knowledge, google so for an example how many blocks are on ... well, let's say Sosnovoborskaya A ES
                You have given specific performance characteristics of the product that you recommend to Iran. Under such performance characteristics, I know only one model of a gas turbine. I brought its value

                Once again, for those who are in the tank, read and you can understand what a turbine and a gas turbine are and what difference they make, so that your mind doesn’t strain, in one case the heat carrier is steam, in the other it’s just a huge jet engine
                Why is Iran developing a standing nuclear industry? To cover the energy deficit in the state. He has the right to do so.

                For those who leave the tank, I dare to explain that the construction of any station is preceded by a feasibility study, and this is just the question, why build a nuclear power plant - if gas is cheaper? But does he have the right - of course, you can after all use boilers to heat boilers and generate electricity from this, so when the construction of a nuclear power plant is not supported by any economic conclusions, but it’s all the same to get together, the question is asked, why? All the same, uranium is not ash from coal stations, you can’t cover the road for it, and in conjunction with Iran’s nuclear program, questions arise
                To get energy by burning gas, this gas needs to be delivered to a gas power plant.
                .
              6. alicante11
                alicante11 20 November 2013 13: 57
                +2
                and this is just the question, why build a nuclear power plant - if gas is cheaper?


                Gas may someday end. Why is it possible for the Japanese and all kinds of earths to build nuclear power plants, but not for Iran?
                Anyway, why do you, having nuclear weapons, and having received it illegally, interfere with acquiring it for others? Maybe you’ll start with yourself and give your weapons to at least the same Americans?
              7. atalef
                atalef 20 November 2013 14: 08
                0
                Quote: alicante11
                and this is just the question, why build a nuclear power plant - if gas is cheaper?


                Gas may someday end. Why is it possible for the Japanese and all kinds of earths to build nuclear power plants, but not for Iran?
                Anyway, why do you, having nuclear weapons, and having received it illegally, interfere with acquiring it for others? Maybe you’ll start with yourself and give your weapons to at least the same Americans?

                Well, about gas, laughed, or explain why in Russia there are power plants both on gas and on coal with fuel oil? Isn’t it better to immediately build nuclear
                As for the nuclear weapons of Iran, if he didn’t threaten us, we would have had baoban, like the nuclear weapons of India, Pakistan, or Georgia, if they suddenly wanted to create it, though Russia wouldn’t like it, I don’t even know why? After all, Israel can, why should Georgia not?
                By the way, is it more detailed as to whether lawfully or not (Israeli nuclear weapons) did Israel violate laws or treaties or obligations? By the way, the conversation with Iran is different - he is a member of the NPT - you know what it is and why it is under sanctions - including having voted thanks to Russia?
              8. alicante11
                alicante11 20 November 2013 17: 32
                0
                Yes, laugh for God's sake. There are both. And the Iranians can have both. what is the problem? Diversification.

                As for Iran’s nuclear weapons, if it hadn’t threatened us, we would have been on the baoban, like the nuclear weapons of India, Pakistan, or Georgia,


                And you remove your nuclear weapons then no one will threaten you with nuclear weapons. on BW nuclear weapons only with you.

                though Russia wouldn’t like it, I don’t even know why? After all, Israel can, why should Georgia not?


                Why not 7 Yes, for God's sake. Let them then run without pants.

                By the way, is it more legal or not (Israeli nuclear weapons) which laws did Israel violate? By the way, is there another conversation with Iran - it is a member of the NPT - you know what it is and why it is sanctioned - including having voted for it thanks to Russia?


                If you have not joined the law, this does not mean that you have not violated it.
              9. atalef
                atalef 20 November 2013 17: 44
                +1
                If you have not joined the law, this does not mean that you have not violated it.

                contract, not law, this time
                Russia has not acceded to the ban on anti-personnel mines, phosphorus-containing munitions and the LGB Convention
                Shkolota, go play in the sandbox.
                Homeland awaits scientists ...... hug and cry laughing
              10. alicante11
                alicante11 21 November 2013 09: 06
                0
                Difference in legal language c. d.s not significant. Moreover, the accuracy of the legal language is somehow not strikingly spread where it is profitable. They could not tell me where there is evidence that Syria is transferring the weapons that the Jews allegedly bomb to Hezbollah. No evidence was given. That is, Israel does not legally have the right to bomb Syria, even for a reason invented independently.

                Russia has not acceded to the ban on anti-personnel mines, phosphorus-containing munitions and the LGB Convention


                So what? Well, also violate the generally accepted contract. But we do not bomb anyone because of this.

                Shkolota, go play in the sandbox.


                The level of discussion is immediately visible. But the questions of "how Russia will react to nuclear weapons" quickly merged. because the truth hurts.
  • Gluxar_
    Gluxar_ 19 November 2013 18: 14
    +1
    Quote: atalef
    Well, in general, as I understand it, there is no answer, except that Russia will support Iran as opposed to Saudi Arabia, and what has Saudi stepped on to its tail? I somehow did not see a single note of protest or warning towards Saudi from Russia. I asked a specific question, nuclear weapons from Iran (a fait accompli - suppose). It’s good for Russia, good, bad, on the drum Who will answer? And its actions, depending on the option you choose

    Saudis are sponsors of terrorism in the North Caucasus. The Russian Federation has always been opposed to nuclear weapons by Iran, and over all these years there has never been a single time when the position has changed on this issue. There was also no confirmation that Iran was making the bomb. I think that Iran will not do it if it is not forced to. but will come to the very edge. If Israel is forced to get rid of its WMD, then Iran will have no need to create its own. I think soon everything will come to this. Syria with its chemical weapons is the first positive bell in this direction.
    1. atalef
      atalef 19 November 2013 18: 46
      -1
      Saudis are sponsors of terrorism in the North Caucasus. The Russian Federation has always been opposed to nuclear weapons by Iran and over all these years there has never been a single time when the position has changed on this issue. There was also no confirmation that Iran was making a bomb

      There has not been a single Russian statement regarding Saudi Arabia that it finances terror (although everyone knows that it is). The same is true for Iran, why do they need a heavy water reactor? Why are enrichment plants being built underground? Why are inspectors not allowed (breaking the day) - why are they finally sanctioned - for which Russia voted the same? Because Iran is hiding a lot of things in its nuclear program, why in Parchin they removed a layer of soil of 2 meters and didn’t allow inspectors on equal terms? You just don’t know what you’re talking about, maybe I am Iran is not particularly dangerous for Russia, but its inevitable spread around the world is how? And who will stop, if Iran can, you tell me about me. Israel’s weapons, as they say, have existed since the beginning of the 60s and didn’t lead to a neighbors nuclear arms race, a completely different conversation with Iran
      1. Gluxar_
        Gluxar_ 19 November 2013 19: 03
        0
        Quote: atalef
        There was no Russian statement regarding Saudi Arabia that it finances terror (although everyone knows that it is)

        It was not because there is no evidence. It is obvious. This is called sensible policy. What Israel does is hooliganism with blood. You can’t take force without proof of your innocence and hope that this will get away with it. The world has changed. In the 90s, the owner was alone and pampered his dog. Today there are neighbors who, without thinking, will carve a scoundrel dog, if he spoils on their lawn.
        Quote: atalef
        The same is true for Iran, why do they need a heavy water reactor? Why are enrichment plants being built underground? Why are inspectors not allowed (breaking the day) - why are they finally sanctioned - for which Russia voted the same? Because Iran is hiding a lot of things in its nuclear program, why in Parchin they removed a layer of soil of 2 meters and didn’t allow inspectors on equal terms? You just don’t know what you’re talking about, maybe I am Iran is not particularly dangerous for Russia, but its inevitable spread around the world is how? And who will stop, if Iran can, you tell me about me. Israel’s weapons, as they say, have existed since the beginning of the 60s and didn’t lead to a neighbors nuclear arms race, a completely different conversation with Iran

        Why do Israel need drones? Why are they building a concrete wall, why are they crying against the wall and banging their heads? Who cares. If international treaties do not prohibit this, then this can be done. For scientific purposes.
        Factories are being built underground because there is a frantic state of Israel that constantly threatens neighbors and promises to bomb such objects. You do not confuse the cause of the investigative relationship?
        No nuclear weapons spill over the world. Nuclear weapons is a terrible thing, but nothing more. Nuclear terrorism is dangerous, but it is local in nature. There are more terrible things in the world. So do not scare the spread. 98% of countries cannot create weapons due to purely financial and technological. Only those who are in fact threatened by something are trying to get weapons. And in this context, both the DPRK and Iran have a moral right to this, but even in such conditions they will not be allowed to use it.

        Ya.o. Israel did not lead to the race because it is a relic of the Cold War, in Cuba it was also. Today the situation has changed. And the presence of Ya.O. in the Middle East, this is a question for those who already have it or those who put it there. Israel will get rid of all its weapons of mass destruction, no one will give Iran a step closer to possessing its own nuclear weapons.
        1. atalef
          atalef 19 November 2013 21: 29
          -1
          Quote: Gluxar_
          Why do Israel need drones?

          What would Russia sell
          The contract for the assembly of Israeli UAVs in Russia is nearing completion. Comment Expert
          The Russian company Ural Civil Aviation Plant (UZGA) is completing a contract for the assembly of Searcher MkII and BirdEye 400 unmanned systems developed by the Israeli company Israel Aerospace Industries, commissioned by the Russian Ministry of Defense. All unmanned systems produced under this contract must be delivered before the end of this year.

          The contract for the assembly of unmanned systems was signed in 2010 by the Russian corporation Oboronprom and the Israeli company IAI. Its cost was $ 400 million. The UZGA plant, partially owned by Oboronprom, was chosen as the production site. Previously, this company was mainly engaged in the repair of aircraft engines.

          The "drone deal" with Israel has sparked controversy in Russia. This decision has been repeatedly criticized by a number of Russian politicians and aviation experts.

          At the same time, Denis Fedutinov, a leading Russian expert in the field of unmanned systems, believes that, in general, the decision was correct. "The Russian company has gained experience in assembling relatively modern unmanned systems, which in itself is useful; I’m ready to accept some criticisms of the Searcher MkII UAV, but there is nothing ready for use in this category of drones in the Russian industry as it was not three years ago, so it is not now "- he said.
          "I would definitely like it to be more than just Searcher, but also about the larger Heron UAV, and not only assembly, but also some localization would be carried out UAV subsystems in cooperation with IAI. However, it is obvious that it was simply impossible to immediately reach such a level of relations with Israel, "the Russian expert noted." Assembly in Russia was the second step after the acquisition of the first batch, and I would not rule out that further steps will follow, "concluded Fedutinov.
          Recall that about a year ago, after the change of leadership of the Russian Ministry of Defense, the Russian media wrote about the possible completion of cooperation between Israel and Russia in the field of unmanned aerial vehicles. The new Minister of Defense of Russia Sergey Shoigu said then that from now on, priority would be given to equipment of Russian manufacturers. But then D. Fedutinov, answering questions from the editorial board of NEWSru.co.il, talked about that cooperation with the Israeli concern IAI is likely to continue.
          Military-technical cooperation with Russia has raised and raises many questions in Israel. This is primarily due to the fact that Moscow continues to supply arms to Iran and Syria. At the same time, Tehran is showing particular interest in UAV technologies, developing its own production of this technology. Iranian UAVs have been repeatedly used by the Lebanese Hezbollah against Israel. Recently, Hamas in Gaza is also trying to establish combat use of drones and is counting on cooperation with Iran in this area. In addition, in the field of unmanned aerial vehicles, Russia is cooperating with Venezuela, whose leadership is hostile to Israel and is strengthening its military-technical partnership with Iran. Against this background, Israel rejects Russia's proposals for the joint production of modern strike UAVs.
      2. vadson
        vadson 19 November 2013 23: 02
        +1
        Quote: atalef
        Saudis are sponsors of terrorism in the North Caucasus. The Russian Federation has always been opposed to nuclear weapons by Iran and over all these years there has never been a single time when the position has changed on this issue. There was also no confirmation that Iran was making a bomb

        There has not been a single Russian statement regarding Saudi Arabia that it finances terror (although everyone knows that it is). The same is true for Iran, why do they need a heavy water reactor? Why are enrichment plants being built underground? Why are inspectors not allowed (breaking the day) - why are they finally sanctioned - for which Russia voted the same? Because Iran is hiding a lot of things in its nuclear program, why in Parchin they removed a layer of soil of 2 meters and didn’t allow inspectors on equal terms? You just don’t know what you’re talking about, maybe I am Iran is not particularly dangerous for Russia, but its inevitable spread around the world is how? And who will stop, if Iran can, you tell me about me. Israel’s weapons, as they say, have existed since the beginning of the 60s and didn’t lead to a neighbors nuclear arms race, a completely different conversation with Iran

        like this? ya Israel has not led to a nuclear arms race? Syria could appear, but as they say it did not grow together. come on. Iran can get its bomb in response to your ya ... but the Saudis can get a bomb from Pakistan in response to the Iran bomb in response to the Israeli bomb. Isn't that a nuclear arms race because of an Israeli bomb?
    2. atalef
      atalef 20 November 2013 12: 03
      0
      extension
      Of course, uranium, it’s just that it telepaths into the reactor, it doesn’t have to be imported, not taken out, not disposed of. fool
      build transformer nodes
      .

      And what is it ? do not tell me, a person connected with these "nodes", do you generally represent a system of energy transmission?
      Build one facility with a generation of 6 MW, than several stations with a generation of 000 MW, each of which will have to pull the infrastructure.

      Well, this is generally a pearl, where have you seen 6000 mW blocks? A station of 6 blocks - this can still be, for those under the tank, I will explain the standard generator power of stations up to 630 mW, there are 2 of them in one reactor (boiler) which gives a standard boiler output (at 100% power) 1000-1200mW - no more,
      fool
      For a set of 6000 MW, it is necessary to build 5 blocks
      Not every state is capable of such projects, and the micro-states you have listed do not belong to the elite club. Not only money matters

      Of course, therefore, the presence of nuclear power plants in Finland and Bulgaria confirms this, as does the signed agreement on the construction of a nuclear power plant in Jordan (without oil or gas, worth 10 billion - for 2 blocks - again 5 billion for a block, well, we don’t have 5 billion don't leave laughing ) and of course Jordan is simply an industrial giant with advanced science and production
      Therefore, you’ll forgive me, but before you argue, well, read at least basic things, then blow out your cheeks hi
  • velikoros-xnumx
    velikoros-xnumx 19 November 2013 15: 59
    +2
    Quote: atalef
    for Russia, nuclear weapons from Iran - how? Good, bad, does it matter?

    As already stated, but not too lazy and I repeat:
    "Nuclear Iran is certainly not an ice for Russia, but nuclear Israel is not comme il faut"
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 19 November 2013 16: 06
      0
      Quote: velikoros-xnumx
      "Nuclear Iran is certainly not an ice for Russia

      Well, yes, but only if someone in Irna does not decide to realize the will of Allah and detonate the bomb.
      Quote: velikoros-xnumx
      but nuclear Israel is not comme il faut "

      Spit it out, with us, Kim is driving right next to her and driving specifically.
    2. atalef
      atalef 19 November 2013 16: 07
      0
      Quote: velikoros-xnumx
      Quote: atalef
      for Russia, nuclear weapons from Iran - how? Good, bad, does it matter?

      As already stated, but not too lazy and I repeat:

      "Nuclear Iran is certainly not an ice for Russia, but nuclear Israel is not comme il faut"

      This is the answer?
      1. velikoros-xnumx
        velikoros-xnumx 19 November 2013 19: 48
        0
        Quote: atalef
        This is the answer

        Yes, especially considering the "friendly" relations with the Persians that have developed over the centuries. Although at present we have more points of contact with Iran than contradictions, therefore we wish them military success and development, but within strictly outlined non-nuclear borders.
  • alicante11
    alicante11 19 November 2013 16: 34
    0
    will Russia react to this and how?


    Why react? The fewer reactions, the less likely to get a fungus on its territory. The Koreans have nuclear weapons appeared, also screaming that this is a threat. But Russia didn’t feel bad from this. Iranians are not to use nuclear weapons against Russia. They stupidly cannot have enough potential to cause us unacceptable damage. And if they explode a couple of nuclear weapons in our territory, then they will have to run fast and squat low. And even that will not help.
    But it’s a sweet deal against you, a couple of good charges and there is no longer a threat to Iran’s nuclear program :). NF in our time is a weapon of self-defense and the last argument to cool the head of an aggressor.
    1. atalef
      atalef 19 November 2013 18: 32
      -2
      Quote: alicante11
      will Russia react to this and how?


      Why react? The fewer reactions, the less likely to get a fungus on its territory. The Koreans have nuclear weapons appeared, also screaming that this is a threat. But Russia didn’t feel bad from this. Iranians are not to use nuclear weapons against Russia. They stupidly cannot have enough potential to cause us unacceptable damage. And if they explode a couple of nuclear weapons in our territory, then they will have to run fast and squat low. And even that will not help.
      But it’s a sweet deal against you, a couple of good charges and there is no longer a threat to Iran’s nuclear program :). NF in our time is a weapon of self-defense and the last argument to cool the head of an aggressor.

      Of course otveti, people who do not see beyond their noses, the next question is how Russia will react to nuclear weapons — Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Iraq — well, further along the chain of Azerbaijan, Armenia’s efforts in this direction, Greece and to the end of Georgia - countries surrounded on all sides by Nuclear weapons, I’m not saying that someone will threaten Russia, it’s so easy to have Saudi, Turkey, Iraq - in response to Iran, Azerbaijan - the same (Iran has claims to it), Armenia - because of Azerbaijan,, Georgia - from hopelessness - all around nuclear weapons, well, and there, it’s kind of incomprehensible to Kazakhstan, All the Caspian states + China with nuclear weapons, but is it worse?
      Do you think Russia will not have to spend hundreds and hundreds of billions on missile defense?
      1. alicante11
        alicante11 20 November 2013 06: 17
        -1
        Do you think Russia will not have to spend hundreds and hundreds of billions on missile defense?


        Do not have to. All of the above you have a very small intestine to have nuclear weapons in an amount sufficient to seriously threaten Russia. And in small doses, nuclear weapons are deadly for their master. Because after its application they will trample the country into dust and will not understand who is military and who is civilian. Therefore, the appearance of a certain number of nuclear warheads in countries that have the ability to protect these charges will only contribute to peace in the region. This is the first.
        Second, no missile defense can protect against a massive nuclear strike. We remember the star wars very well, no need to push in a new way. Yes, in the end, they’ll blow up an arsenal in their territory on the advancing enemy troops in case of defeat and arrange for all the starsmen. And if the arsenal is small, then a missile defense against it is not necessary. The missile launch warning system that we have is enough. And if they are being tracked, then intercept interceptors on the missiles or gouging them with air defense means for the nefig do.

        So these "arsenals" are not terrible for Russia. And we have nothing to look beyond our nose, because our nose is not as long as that of a Jew and we don’t stick it wherever we can pinch a door.
  • builder
    builder 19 November 2013 18: 51
    0
    Yes, Iran will not do anything

  • atalef
    atalef 19 November 2013 13: 55
    +2
    Hi Sasha !!
    In general, the article is so superficial that it’s not only not drawn to analysis, but even not close to it, it is replete with such mistakes that people living on the BV just become funny, well, even if the author declares a claim of the type — I foresaw and came true — it’s just ridiculous how to start disassembling line by line and poking the author’s nose into a mismatch - just believe me.
    The only truth is that Netanyahu provokes vomiting for Obama, and this is mutual, only Obama is experiencing such urges half the world and almost all Americans, Obama passing, you yourself understand, there is nobody in tandem with him, so that the article is bullshit, the author has megalomania
    1. alicante11
      alicante11 19 November 2013 14: 33
      -1
      than to begin to disassemble and poke the author’s nose in inconsistency - just believe me.


      Of course. It's so simple. Maybe it is better to believe the author?
      1. atalef
        atalef 19 November 2013 14: 47
        0
        Quote: alicante11
        than to begin to disassemble and poke the author’s nose in inconsistency - just believe me.


        Of course. It's so simple. Maybe it is better to believe the author?

        Believe the author, I generally wrote this to Romanov, we have known him for a little more than 2 years and I think he can take my word for some things (I hope) and if there are questions, he’ll just ask
        1. alicante11
          alicante11 19 November 2013 15: 26
          +1
          When I write "Romanov", they write in a personal. And you have it a propaganda device.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 19 November 2013 15: 35
            0
            Quote: alicante11
            When I write "Romanov", they write in a personal.

            This is a blizzard, Sanya will write to me in a personal topic. It’s clearly written
            Quote: atalef
            Hi Sasha !!
            1. alicante11
              alicante11 19 November 2013 16: 35
              +1
              The day that is written is clear. And the day is clear that he can write where he wants, he just writes not to you, but to everyone. I would like to write to you, I would write in PM.
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    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 19 November 2013 15: 33
      0
      Quote: atalef
      In general, the article is so superficial that it’s not only not drawn to analysis,

      Salute, listen, but I actually put the first minus of the article, and in general I did not agree with the author. So what are you telling me laughing
      1. atalef
        atalef 19 November 2013 15: 50
        0
        lSalyut, listen, yes, I actually put the first minus of the article, and in general I did not agree with the author. So what are you telling me

        in order to confirm your words hi
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 19 November 2013 15: 55
          +1
          Quote: atalef
          in order to confirm your words

          And you understand, Courvoisier relish laughing
          1. atalef
            atalef 19 November 2013 16: 11
            +1
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Quote: atalef
            in order to confirm your words

            And you understand, Courvoisier relish laughing

            while at work, but not yet evening, by the way, if I lose, what soap should I send the bottle to? drinks
  • mirag2
    mirag2 19 November 2013 07: 41
    +5
    Everything is very simple (relatively) -USA is not reasonable to strain in the Middle East — they have their own business above the roof — Obama is trying to consolidate his economy in his hands, and the Saudi money is not so important to him now, and the buck is growing, and they have more gas they don’t buy, and Obama himself took advantage of the Jewish lava during the first presidential race and wants to get out of their influence.
    But the Jewish lobby in the congress, you see how the congress influenced the sanctions against Iran, he wanted to abolish it, because he was glad that he got rid of Iran, he understands that Iran is not an enemy to the states. The enemy is only in words. But congress immediately affected sanctions will remain (only weaken).
    And France is also a murky subject-Sarkozy was a Jew, Israel also "fitted" an atomic bomb to Israel, they were VERY worried about anti-Semitic sentiments (about a year ago), now France and Israel are running into Iran together, hence the Jews in power in France feel good ...
    By the way, I don’t see from here (in the 90s my cousin lived in Paris, now she pulled away to Canada, no one to ask), maybe all these anti-Semitic sentiments came from a clearly pro-Israeli-pro-Jewish policy.
    By the way, something similar awaits us too — take a look at how many Jews we hold in powerful positions (in the sense that affect the public mood) —and in the council under the president, and in all public organizations, and all kinds of human rights defenders, and culture (inculcate multiculturalism, or rather destroy the Russian identity) -that is. those people who should teach us what is humane and what is not, what is acceptable and what is impossible. And Stalin is a foul reptile, and Jews are all geniuses-all Shostakovichs, yes ... who else is there? yes Mendeleev.
  • experienced
    experienced 19 November 2013 08: 59
    10
    A strange article, the entire first part the author proves that he is a tough analyst: he wrote an article six months ago and predicted everything, and then “Fenya” begins with Israel “lowered”, “offended” Netanyahu, bandit shooters ...
    Maybe they just asked the person responsible for the crime chronicle to write about Israel? wassat
    In general, Israel creates in the B. East what it wants and when it wants, and no one can bridle it. In the US, Israel has a strong lobby, and if Obama tries to rock the boat, he will be immediately put in place in 5 seconds. What politicians say in public is one thing, what they do is different, and often there are two very big differences.
    It is striking that Netanyahu is "frequenting" Moscow, and now he is eager to win over to Putin, but something tells me that the GDP will not forgive him the "kidok" with the bombing of Syria ... winked
    1. WASABI
      WASABI 19 November 2013 11: 17
      0
      Quote: seasoned
      Israel does what it wants in the B. East and when it wants to and nobody can curb it

      Do you think so? The chronicle of events in the Middle East in recent weeks proves exactly the opposite. And no matter how much Israel wants to feel "very strong and important", it will have to come to terms in the end with secondary roles (at best). He (Israel) is still trying to rectify the situation, rolling the scenes of the United States and appealing to Russia, but the so-called. The "Jewish lobby" in Congress and the US State Department remains (and will remain) deaf to the calls of the "Promised Land". Nor will "our Jews" help Israel (I mean exactly the TU help they ask for - chaos in Syria and chaos in Iran, following the example of Libya and Iraq).
      And as for the "give a damn," the old gentleman, in this case the comparison, in my opinion, is as correct as possible (what are the objects, such is the comparison).
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 19 November 2013 11: 29
        0
        Quote: VASABI
        "Jewish lobby" in Congress and the US State Department remains (and will remain) deaf to the calls of the "Promised Land"

        What do you think is the reason for this deafness?
        1. WASABI
          WASABI 19 November 2013 12: 09
          +2
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          What is the reason for this deafness?

          In fact, there is not one reason, there are many of them, and the banal slang expression "Israel is being drained" includes a number of theses. Here are just a few of them:
          - Growing dissatisfaction (primarily in the US) with the actions of financial institutions (primarily the Federal Reserve System) under the leadership of "persons of Jewish nationality" aimed at supporting Israeli actions in the Middle East "at any cost";
          - A clear dissonance between the declared (human rights, the right of nations to self-determination, peaceful resolution of conflicts, etc.) and real (genocide of the Palestinian population, aggressive predatory policies towards neighbors, creation and support of fascist regimes, etc.) actions . In the context of the modern information flow, hiding this is becoming increasingly difficult, and sometimes almost impossible;
          - Finally, the financial insolvency of the United States, in general, and the FRS, in particular, to pay for all Israeli "Wishlist".
          In my opinion, for the Israeli lobby, this is the very first and most important (considering the importance of the financial component for them) factor. As long as things were going well, it was not at all difficult to imposingly unfasten mind-boggling sums to support Israel. And now, excuse me, "life has cracked and the last suitcase of money remains."
          Here, in my opinion, is not a complete list of the components of the term "Israel is being drained."
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 19 November 2013 12: 49
            +1
            Quote: VASABI
            - Growing dissatisfaction (primarily in the US) with the actions of financial institutions (primarily the Federal Reserve System) under the leadership of "persons of Jewish nationality" aimed at supporting Israeli actions in the Middle East "at any cost";

            +, Of course, in the system of priorities, power is more important than territory. But it seems to me that all these contradictions are more a theater for the same congress of the USA, just aid flows will go through other channels. Or maybe some Jews decided to upset others, they have the same with each other is not uncommon. Regarding human rights, here you are mistaken, they will not turn these pants outward, they have where to include the back on this topic. Finger can certainly threaten, but no more. But if a real threat to Israel suddenly arises, then the United States will spit on all crises; no one will give such a bridgehead to the BV in their right mind.
            1. WASABI
              WASABI 19 November 2013 13: 13
              +3
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              maybe some Jews decided to uproot others, they have the same with each other is not uncommon.

              Quite right! Suffice it to recall the "Holocaust", namely, WHAT Jews were exterminated!
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              if a real threat to Israel suddenly arises, then the United States will spit on all crises; no one will give such a bridgehead to the BV in their right mind.

              Is it really a real threat to Israel ??? In my opinion, today Israel poses a real threat to peace in this region, and trying to do it for American money, and having failed, I found a less affluent, but still sponsor, Saudi Arabia.
              The only threat to Israel today is Israel itself!
      2. experienced
        experienced 19 November 2013 12: 17
        -1
        Quote: VASABI
        Do you think so?

        This is evident from the actions of Israel ... Whoever they want to be bombed, where they want to send brigades for cleansing, remember about the "shooting" of leaders and scientists ...
        Quote: VASABI
        The chronicle of developments in the Middle East in recent weeks proves the exact opposite.

        Bugaga, did I miss something? Has Israel received a "response" for bombing "Syria and Iran? The occupied territories have been taken from Israel? Or something else?"
        Quote: VASABI
        And as much as Israel would not like to feel "very strong and important", it will have to come to terms in the end with the second roles (at best)

        Well, of course, just name who will take the first places there ... I remember there these "first" uniting raked as much as I want ... And now separately ... But say "halva", which of the Arabs warriors know everything very well ... When I read the summary of the battles in Syria and Libya (earlier), laughter makes out - As a result of stubborn battles with the use of artillery, tanks and aircraft, it was captured ... the militants lost 5 people killed !!! Laughter and only
        Quote: VASABI
        And as for the "give a damn," the old gentleman, in this case the comparison, in my opinion, is as correct as possible (what are the objects, such is the comparison).

        Now even among the gangsters "Fenya" does not channel, but the journalist who uses it is not a journalist for me, tomorrow he will start to write obscene words ... thieves ", besides, for such" pearls "in decent companies, he must answer his 21 ... wassat

        I didn’t want to get in touch with you after the previous skirmish (don’t touch ...), but I couldn’t help myself; I stop communicating hi
        1. WASABI
          WASABI 19 November 2013 12: 35
          +2
          Quote: seasoned
          I didn’t want to contact you after the previous hassle

          You don’t “don’t want”, and you cannot contact me, because your level is clearly not the one from which you can begin to argue normally. Sorry, but your "pearls" such as "bugag", "answer your 21s", "(don't touch ...)" talk a lot (practically shout out loud) about your "exceptional" intellectual level. I hoped that the last time I was mistaken in you and did not quite correctly assess your abilities, but now I see that this assessment was even somewhat overestimated. Good luck on the path of self-improvement. It will be very useful to you ...
          1. experienced
            experienced 19 November 2013 14: 01
            -2
            Quote: VASABI
            and you can’t contact me, because your level is clearly not the one from which you can begin to polemize normally

            When there are not enough arguments, insults come into play ... Familiar ...
            What to polemicize about? It’s the same as discussing an American student’s article published in a college newspaper about Russia covered with snow, drunken townspeople with bears dancing to the balalaika with squats and an angry, bloody gebene who is staring at it ... It would be worth discussing.
            1. WASABI
              WASABI 19 November 2013 14: 20
              0
              Quote: seasoned
              When there are not enough arguments, insults come into play ... Familiar ...

              Still, this was not familiar to you, because you use it with great skill ("I didn't want to contact you after the previous skirmish (don't touch ...)").
          2. Gorinich
            Gorinich 19 November 2013 15: 27
            +1
            Of course, professionals who constantly work on the Internet are hard to compete with.
          3. Aaron Zawi
            Aaron Zawi 19 November 2013 18: 36
            +1
            Excuse me, what is your level? For example, you used the term "Palestinian genocide", can you prove it with figures? For example, I can prove that you lied because the Arab population of Israel has grown 1949 times since 8, and the Arab population of Judea and Samaria since 1967 (when these territories were conquered from the Kingdom of Jordan) by four.
            As for the "aggressive policy." We have had peace with Egypt since 1979, with Jordan since 1994. State recognized borders, embassies, etc. The border with Lebanon is demarcated by the UN and the absence of peace is only a problem for Lebanon, which does not know what kind of state it is.
            About "fascist regimes" this is generally nonsense of the imagination. I do not even understand what you are trying to hint so vaguely.
    2. bif
      19 November 2013 11: 43
      +1
      Quote: seasoned
      In the US, Israel has a strong lobby, and if Obama tries to rock the boat, he will be immediately put in place in 5 seconds.

      The lobby may have been under Bush ... but now it is powerless and Obama even spat on it and put him on the Latinos ... and won, but the Jewish lobby and the state bypasses and no one says anything, well, except Netanyahu.
      1. atalef
        atalef 19 November 2013 14: 52
        +1
        Quote: bif

        The lobby may have been under Bush ... but now it is powerless and Obama even spat on it and put him on the Latinos ... and won, but the Jewish lobby and the state bypasses and no one says anything, well, except Netanyahu.

        Here is the same superficial look and the author of the article, beyond the nose does not see anything and drives the facts according to their own desires, in general, conclusions are drawn from the facts, and not vice versa
    3. Mikhail3
      Mikhail3 19 November 2013 12: 05
      +4
      Just an honest article. Of course, it is customary to express "cleverly", well, there are tendencies, concepts, trends ... But in truth, relations between states are best described as gangster showdowns, and it is precisely those bandits who do not observe any concepts in principle.
      Look for yourself - on what, as it turned out, the so-called. "international law"? Exclusively on the existence of two oppositely directed centers of power! As soon as the USSR disappeared - what happened? Left alone in his cell, the bandyuk immediately took away everything he could physically reach, lowered those who supported him to miserable sixes, began to banish drugs right among the children of his "allies" (what is the Afghan wave of dope in Europe?), Etc. etc.
      What are the "trends"? This is best described not in terms of crafty and pretty stupid political science, but in a simple and capacious word, lawlessness. If you do not want to work out a grant in front of the owners, but to reflect on what is happening, to think deeply and effectively, you need to call a spade a spade and not worry about the beauty of style.
    4. alicante11
      alicante11 19 November 2013 14: 35
      0
      In general, Israel does in the B. East what it wants and when it wants to, and no one can curb it.


      Then why is Iran still not bombed and Assad is winning in Syria?
  • Gluxar_
    Gluxar_ 19 November 2013 15: 05
    0
    Quote: The same LYOKHA
    Yes, the economic crisis has tightened the ambitions and opportunities of many states. The United States would be happy to put a paw on the whole MIDDLE EAST, but alas, finances sing romances, which will be a big question for many countries, including ISRAEL.

    What came first "chicken or egg" is a rhetorical question. Did the financial crisis cause the US to collapse, or did the US collapse lead to a financial crisis?
    The article is not entirely clear to me, too many unnecessary beeches are not relevant. There is a clear "anti-Jewishness" of the author. This is his right. But there is no information.
    I only agree that Israel was blown away. If 3 years ago "Israel Israel" sounded everywhere and in every hole, today they simply forgot about it. Even his illegal actions against the sovereign state of Syria are not taken seriously by anyone, but they are added to the "ask after" basket. It is becoming increasingly clear that Israel is simply an extra state on the planet and this misunderstanding needs to be corrected.
    If before you needed your wick in the Middle East, today without Jews there is a good mess. However, for an increasingly radical Islam, it is still an irritant. As soon as the situation in Syria subsides, then they will remember Israel. But now this small state will be left without a big brother behind and its fate will be a foregone conclusion.
    1. faraon
      faraon 19 November 2013 15: 14
      -1
      then they will remember Israel. But now this small state will be left without a big brother behind and its fate will be a foregone conclusion.

      Not everything is so bad, there will be no bigger brother, in his place there will be another who will not refuse, from military infrastructure, geographical location, and generally from the keys of the entire Middle East.
      So not everything is as tragic as you predict. hi
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  • makarov
    makarov 19 November 2013 07: 14
    +9
    Yes, Obama did not checkmate them in two moves. All this is the former policy pursued by the Government of Israel, namely self-confidence and lack of flexibility.
    1. mirag2
      mirag2 19 November 2013 07: 32
      +5
      This self-confidence and lack of flexibility is the result of their domestic policy.
      If you tell that your country is for you and no one else, that your fellow tribesmen (not co-religionists, but fellow tribesmen) are the best part of the world's population, what will happen?
      Have you ever seen comments on Israeli sites?
      Such rage and aggression are nowhere else.
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 19 November 2013 07: 40
      +2
      Quote: makarov
      Don’t Obama checkmate them in two moves

      Pavel, if you have noticed, Obama has been in the past years, as if not at work. Everybody is ahead of the United States, now Oland is stirring up water. Washington’s ally does what they agreed behind closed doors.
    3. mirag2
      mirag2 19 November 2013 07: 45
      +8
      And anyway, well, Israel has a bomb, well, Iran will, so what?
      But the fact is that both those and others are ILLEGAL-acquired it.
      So, let Israel first give up its bomb, and only then dare about Iran ...
      1. APES
        APES 19 November 2013 10: 48
        +3
        Quote: mirag2
        the fact is that both those and others are ILLEGAL-acquired it.


        tell me where you can legally acquire it.
        I really need to - I do not want to break the laws.

        thank you hi
  • Belogor
    Belogor 19 November 2013 07: 20
    +2
    Nothing has fundamentally changed in their relationship, any relationship has periods of rise and fall. At the next administration, they can be excellent, because the states have a very pro-Israeli lobby.
    1. mirag2
      mirag2 19 November 2013 07: 35
      +3
      The pro-Israel lobby in the congress is not asleep, but it is working hard.
      The trouble is that more and more American Jews do not feel themselves to be Jews, "real Jews" - one people by faith, but feel themselves to be one people by culture, the basis of the Jewish attitude to other nations is their faith.
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 19 November 2013 11: 32
        +1
        Quote: mirag2
        the basis of the Jewish attitude towards other nations is precisely their faith.

        Very accurately noticed. good
  • Ihrek
    Ihrek 19 November 2013 07: 22
    +2
    Why not give Israel the occupied territories because of which there are so many troubles and live in normal good neighborly relations. To take two steps forward, one step back, you can already do. Israel's problem is obstinacy, lack of flexibility, and excessive reliance on the United States.
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 19 November 2013 07: 26
      +4
      This is impossible where there is a spirit of usury, there are no good-neighborly relations; there are relations such as a borrowed ruble and 10 rubles to be paid.
    2. mirag2
      mirag2 19 November 2013 07: 36
      +1
      Ha! Here, Kerry already hinted to them that building in Judea and Samaria is impossible, so it began there, at least carry out the saints.
    3. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 19 November 2013 07: 41
      +7
      Quote: Jamal
      Why not give Israel the occupied territories because of which there are so many troubles and live in normal good neighborly relations.

      And what does that change or do you think the Arabs will start to love the Jews? There are thousands of years of warrior and will continue until the second coming.
    4. Metlik
      Metlik 19 November 2013 07: 59
      +1
      Quote: Jamal
      Why not give Israel the occupied territories because of which there are so many troubles and live in normal good neighborly relations.

      The naivety of Americans who believe that Israel strives for peace with its neighbors is surprising. Israel is Germany in 1939, it needs only war and expansion. It seems that some politicians in Washington have begun to open their eyes.
      1. Professor
        Professor 19 November 2013 10: 09
        +1
        Quote: Metlik
        The naivety of the Americans, who believe that Israel seek peace with its neighbors, is surprising. Israel is Germany in 1939, it needs only war and expansion.

        You I see a great analyst. Analyze pliz the fact of the transfer of Sinai to Egypt and the territories of Jordan for the sake of peace with them, as well as the creation of Palestinian enclaves (Zones A and B).
        1. Metlik
          Metlik 19 November 2013 10: 27
          +2
          Quote: Professor
          Analyze pliz the fact of the transfer of Sinai to Egypt and the territories of Jordan for the sake of peace with them, as well as the creation of Palestinian enclaves (Zones A and B).

          "The war can only be postponed for the benefit of your enemy." While America was pumping billions of dollars into Israel, the world was profitable: Israel grew stronger, its neighbors lagged behind in development. And the Palestinians, judging by the constant seizure of their lands, are destined for the role of American Indians on the reservations.
          1. Professor
            Professor 19 November 2013 10: 39
            +1
            Quote: Metlik
            While America pumped Israel into billions of dollars, the world was profitable: Israel grew stronger, its neighbors lagged behind in development.

            Likbez: Israel’s neighbors receive exactly the same amount of American billions as Israel. The fact that they were solely behind their fault. We need to work harder and play less backgammon.

            Quote: Metlik
            And the Palestinians, judging by the constant seizure of their lands, are destined for the role of American Indians in reservations.

            I ignore the opus about "their lands". In 1967, Israel occupied the entire western bank; today, most of it is under the full control of the Palestinian Authority (Zone A). Well, where is "permanent capture" here? On the face of the constant transfer of territories to the Arabs.
            1. Metlik
              Metlik 19 November 2013 11: 03
              0
              Quote: Professor
              Likbez: Israel’s neighbors receive exactly the same amount of American billions as Israel. The fact that they were solely behind their fault. We need to work harder and play less backgammon.

              Syria gets as much as Israel? Are occupation and bombing steps to peace? Israel can not fight on several fronts at the same time, that’s destroying its neighbors alone. Syria, Iran, etc. The list is long ready. But America does not want to play the role of cannon fodder in this game.
              1. faraon
                faraon 19 November 2013 13: 11
                +2
                Israel can not fight on several fronts at the same time, that’s destroying its neighbors alone.

                Why did you decide so and the outcome of the war I eat kipur when Israel fought on three fronts, with three states (without US assistance) armed with the most modern Soviet weapons at that time. And the road was cleared to smithereens in both Damsk and Cairo , I don’t speak for Jordan anymore, although they fought the least bravely compared to their allies.
              2. atalef
                atalef 19 November 2013 13: 23
                +1
                Metlik Today, 11:03 ↑ New
                Quote: Professor
                Likbez: Israel’s neighbors receive exactly the same amount of American billions as Israel. The fact that they were solely behind their fault. We need to work harder and play less backgammon.



                Syria gets as much as Israel? Are occupation and bombing steps to peace? Israel can not fight on several fronts at the same time, that’s destroying its neighbors alone. Syria, Iran, etc. The list is long ready. But America does not want to play the role of cannon fodder in this game.

                You somehow mixed everything together, Egypt receives as much money as Israel-cent per cent (this is according to the Camp David Treaty), Jordan receives 50 million tons of water from Israel annually, of course, peace is concluded between us and there are no complaints, Syria and Lebanon (from the neighbors, 2 countries with which we are in the actual state of war) Syria lost the Golan Heights, just like Germany - Keniksberg, and Japan - the Kuril Islands --- this is probably the same problem, because 100 tons were explained time, it’s a pity to waste time repeating, what else is Syria, so they are not friends to us and we wish victory to both sides, as well as we do not cry for either one or the other,
                1. alicante11
                  alicante11 19 November 2013 14: 47
                  0
                  But for some reason we bomb only government facilities.
                2. Andrew 447
                  Andrew 447 19 November 2013 17: 13
                  +1
                  Is the annexation of part of the territories of Syria and Lebanon framed by an appropriate treaty or other international document? What documents confirming the right to annexation of land has Israel? If there are none, then there is a mess. Russia has the right (contract) to own the Kuril Islands and the Kaliningrad region in accordance with international standards. It is somehow not solid of you to make such incorrect comparisons. And I remind you that one of these countries made a holocaust against your people and freed Jews from the camps not the IDF, but the rank and file of the Red Army IVANOV IVAN IVANOVICH. Such things must be remembered by every son of Israel.
                  1. faraon
                    faraon 19 November 2013 17: 37
                    -2
                    Do you think that the territory under the jurisdiction of Israel could have been ownerless for so long. And Israel, which is on the tip of the pen of the world media and various well-wishers, could hold it with impunity?
                    Of course, there are corresponding agreements, so an annalogy with the Kuril Islands and Kaliningrad is here appropriate
                    In this case, our Arab neighbors wanted to commit the same genocide as Fascist Germany. Only they were not given it. So in this case Ivanov, I, and nothing more, Abram Abramovich. Abramov. did not allow the second Holocaust.
                    1. alicante11
                      alicante11 20 November 2013 06: 27
                      0
                      Of course, there are corresponding agreements, so an annalogy with the Kuril Islands and Kaliningrad is here appropriate


                      A more specific? What kind?

                      In this case, our Arab neighbors wanted to commit the same genocide as Fascist Germany. Only they were not given it.


                      It's right. The massacre would be capital. And we would be covered in blood as allies. So it's good that the Jews managed to shoot themselves. However, no one forced the Jews to go to Palestine and found their "promised land" there. If an uninvited guest comes to your apartment, who lived there n-twenty years ago, will you be very happy for him? And share your bed and wife with him :)?
                    2. stroporez
                      stroporez 20 November 2013 08: 40
                      +1
                      Quote: faraon
                      wanted to commit the same genocide as fascist Germany
                      you pulled up with your "genocide" ....... Israel doesn't particularly like to remember how in the last century Jewish troops attacked British patrols and garrisons. and they did it ...
                  2. Aaron Zawi
                    Aaron Zawi 19 November 2013 18: 43
                    +2
                    Quote: Andrew 447
                    possession of the Kuril Islands and the Kaliningrad region, Russia has the right (agreement) confirmed in accordance with international standards. It is not solid on your part to make such incorrect comparisons.
                    There is an agreement on Kengsberg, but the Kuril Islands are annexed unilaterally. As it is not solid you do not know the common truths.
                    Let me remind you that one of these countries committed the Holocaust against your people and did not liberate the IDF from the Jewish camps, but the rank and file of the Red Army IVANOV IVAN IVANOVICH. Such things must be remembered by every son of Israel.

                    Only? And privates Nalivako, Stadnyuk, Georgadze and Usmanov were not released? And my grandfathers? They went for a walk during the whole war?
                    1. alicante11
                      alicante11 20 November 2013 06: 34
                      +2
                      There is an agreement on Kengsberg, but the Kuril Islands are annexed unilaterally. As it is not solid you do not know the common truths.


                      This is true, only we will not bomb the Japanese several times a month for prevention, unlike the country of choice.

                      Only? And privates Nalivako, Stadnyuk, Georgadze and Usmanov were not released? And my grandfathers? They went for a walk during the whole war?


                      Released. It’s just that they were all Russian then, and your grandfathers, if they were liberating, they were also Russian. And you are no longer Russian and have nothing to do with your grandfathers.
              3. Professor
                Professor 19 November 2013 13: 53
                +1
                Again educational program? Only Egypt from America receives exactly the same as Israel. I don’t think I’m helping Egypt from Qatar and the Saudis, I missed the help from Jordan, and the Palestinians are world record holders in foreign aid. The USSR helped Syria and Russia writes off debts. So learn to count better.
            2. WASABI
              WASABI 19 November 2013 11: 24
              0
              Quote: Professor
              Likbez: Israel’s neighbors receive exactly the same amount of American billions as Israel.

              It’s not an educational program, professor Goopin - it’s DESA.
    5. Professor
      Professor 19 November 2013 10: 00
      -1
      Quote: Jamal
      Why not give Israel the occupied territories because of which there are so many troubles and live in normal good neighborly relations.

      Have they given the Gaza Strip to the last grain of sand and received "good neighborly relations" in the form of thousands of mortar and rocket attacks? Maybe they also have the key to the apartment where the money is to be given? wink
      1. APES
        APES 19 November 2013 10: 52
        +1
        Quote: Professor
        Maybe they also have the key to the apartment where the money is to give


        "you can't trust anyone," said Müller,
        "I can," he added, looking meaningfully at Stirlitz
      2. builder
        builder 19 November 2013 22: 43
        0
        Recently, no one has heard about the shelling of Israel. It seems the bearded are busy with Syria.
    6. Ezhaak
      Ezhaak 19 November 2013 10: 59
      +3
      Quote: Jamal
      Why not give Israel the occupied territories

      And count the lope it will be in km ^ 2, and basically it is not a desert, but fertile land. And think about what you propose to lose to Israel? Do not wait! So they immediately returned the Sinai, nafih them that desert? Its enough.
    7. faraon
      faraon 19 November 2013 14: 32
      0
      Why not give Israel the occupied territories because of which there are so many troubles and live in normal good neighborly relations. To take two steps forward, one step back, you can already do. Israel's problem is obstinacy, lack of flexibility, and excessive reliance on the United States.

      What territories are you talking about? If those are annexed during the six-day war, when the armies of three states treacherously attacked Israel with the goal of total destruction, then you are mistaken these territories are annexed in accordance with international law, and the one that belonged to Jordan refused to them in favor of the winner (Israel) Now for this period of time this is the territory of the West Bank transferred to the Palestinian Authority as goodwill, and the stubbornness and lack of flexibility of Israel are here. Yes, Israel did not rely on the United States in all its wars, nor one American soldier did not take part in hostilities in Israel.
      You see, the land "occupied" practically the entire western bank was handed over, we are releasing prisoners with blood in our hands, but it is impossible to live in good neighborly relations. Although there have already been many steps back, given the exit from the Gaza Strip and the evocation of all settlements. see.
    8. Victor-M
      Victor-M 19 November 2013 19: 40
      +2
      Quote: Jamal
      Why not give Israel the occupied territories because of which so many troubles

      If they do, then Israel simply will not, because its territory is mostly Palestinian land.
  • Was mammoth
    Was mammoth 19 November 2013 07: 25
    +2
    For some reason, the author appeared to me in a crimson jacket, with a thick chain around his neck, with a Makarov in his pocket. To me alone?
  • regdan
    regdan 19 November 2013 07: 26
    +5
    You shouldn’t post this article here. Now the citizens of Israel and lovers of the citizens of Israel will run and the catavasia will begin.
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 19 November 2013 07: 36
      +2
      It’s good, truth is born in painful debates.
      1. Valery Neonov
        Valery Neonov 19 November 2013 08: 35
        0
        And I remember that truth is born of guilt ... hi And only labor can be painful ... winked
        The leadership of the country of Moses must be more modest, and the ordinary children of this prophet also would not hurt to acquire the same quality (modesty). hi
        1. WASABI
          WASABI 19 November 2013 11: 29
          0
          Quote: Valery Neonov
          And I remember that truth is born of guilt ...

          Dear Valeriy, she just "hides" there, and sometimes the hangover is more painful !!!
          Quote: Valery Neonov
          The leadership of the country of Moses must be more modest

          Alas, modesty is a virtue that is not characteristic of the "children of Israel" and this is a given, from which you will not escape. winked
        2. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 19 November 2013 11: 40
          0
          Quote: Valery Neonov
          And I remember that truth is born of guilt ... hi And only labor can be painful ... winked

          Well, let’s give birth drunk, as Omar Khayyam bequeathed. wassat
          1. WASABI
            WASABI 19 November 2013 12: 15
            0
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            we will give birth drunk

            Chur me! God forbid... belay
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 19 November 2013 12: 59
              +1
              Quote: VASABI
              Chur me! God forbid ... belay

              And if the ambulance is late, and you have to try on an obstetric robe? The male psyche in a sober state can not stand it. Believe me, I know from my own experience. laughing
              1. WASABI
                WASABI 19 November 2013 13: 52
                -2
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                Believe me, I know from my own experience

                If the experience was positive, then you are just great !!! love AFTER SUCH it is not a sin to drink. drinks
                1. Ingvar 72
                  Ingvar 72 19 November 2013 14: 10
                  +2
                  Quote: VASABI
                  If the experience was positive, then you are just great !!!

                  Thank God. But it was scary in the role of an obstetrician. My daughter is 7 years old, not a single vaccination, and pah-pah.fellow
                  1. WASABI
                    WASABI 19 November 2013 14: 23
                    -2
                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    Thank God. But it was scary

                    Still not transferred men in our country !!! Send your congratulations to your wife !!! love
    2. Ezhaak
      Ezhaak 19 November 2013 10: 55
      +1
      Quote: regdan
      Israeli citizens and lovers of Israeli citizens will run away and katavasiya will begin

      So let’s run, it’ll be fun for many to spend working time in disputes, conversations and explanations. laughing
      1. faraon
        faraon 19 November 2013 14: 40
        +1
        Eugene +, just noticed, there is no time to do this at home, but we have common concerns and problems: the house is a family, children, grandchildren.
  • major071
    major071 19 November 2013 07: 27
    10
    The phrase smiled:
    Now that Obama has "lowered" Israel, Netanyahu realizes that he will not be released from the circle of offended, and will never be allowed to "the highest of this world."

    Well, if we speak in this language, then already "omitted" cannot "lower". They both have a place "on a parasha". And the United States, led by Khuseinovich, was also "lowered" not so long ago.
    1. mirag2
      mirag2 19 November 2013 07: 38
      +1
      Well, Obama is most likely not omitted by anything (more precisely by anyone).
      Obama’s everything is exactly in the country — what ships they won — almost a new fleet is building, and indeed, the United States has emerged from the crisis — and so far, at least.
  • mirag2
    mirag2 19 November 2013 07: 28
    +1
    Everything is very simple (relatively) - the USA does not have a reason to strain in the Middle East - they have their own business above the roof - Obama is trying to consolidate his economy in his hands, and Saudi money is not so important to him now, and the buck is growing, and they have more gas they don’t buy, and Obama himself took advantage of the Jewish lava during the first presidential race and wants to get out of their influence.
    But the Jewish lobby in the congress, you see how the congress influenced the sanctions against Iran, he wanted to abolish it, because he was glad that he got rid of Iran, he understands that Iran is not an enemy to the states. The enemy is only in words. But congress immediately affected sanctions will remain (only weaken).
    And France is also a murky subject-Sarkozy was a Jew, Israel also "fitted" an atomic bomb to Israel, they were VERY worried about anti-Semitic sentiments (about a year ago), now France and Israel are running into Iran together, hence the Jews in power in France feel good ...
    By the way, I don’t see from here (in the 90s my cousin lived in Paris, now she pulled away to Canada, no one to ask), maybe all these anti-Semitic sentiments came from a clearly pro-Israeli-pro-Jewish policy.
    By the way, something similar awaits us too — take a look at how many Jews we hold in powerful positions (in the sense that affect the public mood) —and in the council under the president, and in all public organizations, and all kinds of human rights defenders, and culture (inculcate multiculturalism, or rather destroy the Russian identity) -that is. those people who should teach us what is humane and what is not, what is acceptable and what is impossible. And Stalin is a foul reptile, and Jews are all geniuses-all Shostakovichs, yes ... who else is there? yes Mendeleev.
  • Neighbor
    Neighbor 19 November 2013 07: 51
    0
    Rafting our effective ones into Israel, maybe this will help them.
    1. Valery Neonov
      Valery Neonov 19 November 2013 09: 28
      +1
      Our "effective" ones were sent from there, and it helps Israel.
      1. Professor
        Professor 19 November 2013 10: 12
        0
        Quote: Valery Neon
        Our "effective" ones were sent from there, and it helps Israel.

        If there is no water in the tap ...

        Advertisement in Odessa:
        1. WASABI
          WASABI 19 November 2013 11: 43
          +3
          Quote: Professor
          If there is no water in the tap ...

          And you take a look at the list of heads of housing and communal services and the answer to the question "who is to blame" will immediately indicate the answer to the question "What to do" ...
          1. Aaron Zawi
            Aaron Zawi 19 November 2013 18: 46
            -3
            Quote: VASABI

            And you take a look at the list of heads of housing and communal services and the answer to the question "who is to blame" will immediately indicate the answer to the question "What to do" ...

            And what are you so unfounded. Can publish here?
            1. old rocket man
              old rocket man 19 November 2013 23: 28
              +1
              Quote: Aron Zaavi
              And what are you so unfounded. Can publish here?

              Do not worry, she cut you clean hi
              1. Aaron Zawi
                Aaron Zawi 19 November 2013 23: 57
                -2
                Quote: old rocket
                Quote: Aron Zaavi
                And what are you so unfounded. Can publish here?

                Do not worry, she cut you clean hi

                T / e should I take any words of this lady for an axiom? Let him prove his words for now. After all, if she said something, then she has information? Otherwise, these are her words, lies and provocation.
                1. old rocket man
                  old rocket man 20 November 2013 00: 02
                  0
                  Quote: Aaron Zawi
                  Quote: old rocket
                  Quote: Aron Zaavi
                  And what are you so unfounded. Can publish here?

                  Do not worry, she cut you clean hi

                  T / e should I take any words of this lady for an axiom? Let him prove his words for now. After all, if she said something, then she has information? Otherwise, these are her words, lies and provocation.

                  Do not be offended, minus minus, from you, so outwardly correct, did not expect such a reaction to an innocent joke fellow
        2. 3.7.964
          3.7.964 19 November 2013 12: 02
          +3
          Quote: Professor
          If there is no water in the tap ... Advertisement in Odessa:

          Sema, sho make the audience laugh, sho you have nothing else to do? So you get down to business ... Yeah, you have already washed your panties ... Well, yes, it doesn't work there. And even for "old" no, no? Wasmer, is it really a nit git? Then all you have to do is to steal ... But what is it that decent people do here ?! So my advice to you, do not take a little. You know, we still have a good state, you take a lot, they give little. Do as everyone else, and Schaub you didn't have to wear gear.

          PS Admit, an advertisement in Odessa is your job?
  • Clegg
    Clegg 19 November 2013 08: 04
    +3
    It would be interesting to read the views of Professor, Pimpled and Aron on this article.
    1. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 19 November 2013 19: 24
      0
      Quote: Clegg
      It would be interesting to read the views of Professor, Pimpled and Aron on this article.

      This is not analytics. This is a compilation of news presented as analytics. As for "Israel has been merged," let the facts speak.
      19.11 16:11 MIGnews.com
      The air forces of the USA, Greece, Poland and Italy will take part in the exercises of the Israeli air force at the end of this month, confirmed US Ambassador Dan Shapiro. As The Times of Israel previously reported, these will be the largest international exercises ever held in Israel.
      The exercises will take place at Ovda Air Base in southern Israel, and more than a hundred aircraft will take part in them, but details are still kept secret. Israeli Defense Minister said that the exercises will be held instead of the planned joint Israeli-US-Turkish, which will not take place due to the deterioration of Turkish-Israeli relations. According to the newspaper, the Israeli Air Force will conduct joint exercises, which will bring together about a thousand pilots from the United States, Italy and Greece over two weeks.
      1. atalef
        atalef 19 November 2013 19: 30
        -1
        This is not analytics. This is a compilation of news presented as analytics. As for "Israel has been merged," let the facts speak.


        I will add

        The Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) predicts Israel one of the highest economic growth rates for 2013 in the world. According to the organization, this year economic growth in Israel will be 3,7%, next year - 3,4%, and in 2015 - 3,5%. The expected unemployment rate is 6,6-6,9%.

        In addition to Israel, the OECD also makes optimistic forecasts for Turkey, Chile, South Korea and Mexico.

        For comparison, negative growth is expected in the eurozone this year - 0,4%, while the unemployment rate is the same - 12%.

        With regard to the United States, forecasts are slightly better - 3,4% in 2015. This year, economic growth in the United States is expected to be 1,7%.

        In Japan, this figure will be slightly better - 1,8%.
  • Keeper
    Keeper 19 November 2013 10: 20
    +4
    The whole mistake lies in the fact that it is not worth judging by a specific case. Israel today seems weak, weakened, abandoned by America. All this is visibility! As in the treatise by Sun Tzu - "The army gathers for action ... If the leadership that assembled the army is inactive, the leadership is changed by the army ...". In other words - You cannot constantly stand in a rack and show your fists ...
    So "checkmate in two moves" is a check for lice, do not flatter yourself friends))
  • Ezhaak
    Ezhaak 19 November 2013 10: 30
    +2
    Quote: article author
    the threat of the collapse of Israel comes primarily from the stupid citizens and politicians of Israel

    The saddest thing is that the modern government of Israel, for the most part, is supported by immigrants from the former USSR who consider themselves very smart. They hold a Zionist colossus with feet of clay named Bibi Netanyahin.
    1. vkrav
      vkrav 19 November 2013 20: 59
      +1
      Quote: Hedgehog
      come from the former USSR, who consider themselves very smart.

      I came across here a photo from an Israeli camp for immigrants - "Don't think that you are the smartest - all Jews are here!" in Russian. I don't know, true or photoshop.
  • dag 05.ru
    dag 05.ru 19 November 2013 10: 38
    0
    This confrontation between the Arab world and the Israeli army will never end without outside intervention. The third party in the face of the rest of the world, without the culprits themselves and removing the ubiquitous Jewish lobby, must make a decision and implement it firmly. But in my opinion it’s impossible.
  • The fat man
    The fat man 19 November 2013 10: 54
    0
    Quote: Professor
    Quote: Metlik
    While America pumped Israel into billions of dollars, the world was profitable: Israel grew stronger, its neighbors lagged behind in development.

    Likbez: Israel’s neighbors receive exactly the same amount of American billions as Israel. The fact that they were solely behind their fault. We need to work harder and play less backgammon.

    Quote: Metlik
    And the Palestinians, judging by the constant seizure of their lands, are destined for the role of American Indians in reservations.

    I ignore the opus about "their lands". In 1967, Israel occupied the entire western bank; today, most of it is under the full control of the Palestinian Authority (Zone A). Well, where is "permanent capture" here? On the face of the constant transfer of territories to the Arabs.

    and someone made the Arabs rashly spend billions of money on children or all the same a question for their leaders why such enormous corruption and embezzlement?
  • The fat man
    The fat man 19 November 2013 10: 54
    0
    Quote: Professor
    Quote: Metlik
    While America pumped Israel into billions of dollars, the world was profitable: Israel grew stronger, its neighbors lagged behind in development.

    Likbez: Israel’s neighbors receive exactly the same amount of American billions as Israel. The fact that they were solely behind their fault. We need to work harder and play less backgammon.

    Quote: Metlik
    And the Palestinians, judging by the constant seizure of their lands, are destined for the role of American Indians in reservations.

    I ignore the opus about "their lands". In 1967, Israel occupied the entire western bank; today, most of it is under the full control of the Palestinian Authority (Zone A). Well, where is "permanent capture" here? On the face of the constant transfer of territories to the Arabs.

    and someone made the Arabs rashly spend billions of money on children or all the same a question for their leaders why such enormous corruption and embezzlement?
  • FormerMariman
    FormerMariman 19 November 2013 11: 31
    0
    Israel has already eaten and spat out all these conversations and articles!
  • faraon
    faraon 19 November 2013 11: 40
    -1
    the author noted the forced reduction of the Israeli prime minister's rhetoric on the Iranian nuclear program under pressure from the head of the State Department, Kerry. Netanyahu then said: "We are forced to retreat in order to retain the right to build 1500 houses in the occupied territory."

    Well, it can be commented on something like this: "the dog barks the caravan is coming", why is it all because Nitanyahu needs to gain time, and Keri and Abama must be known as peacekeepers and receive the Nobel Peace Prize. The peace process will not advance one step while Autonomy needles of the world community, and Israel has an older brother in the person of the United States.
  • faraon
    faraon 19 November 2013 11: 56
    +2
    Israel felt thrown by Kerry’s thimble

    Well, this is not entirely true. Obama is coming and going, and take off their secretaries of state, and Israel as it was.
    All the backstage games of politicians. And as for Obama's emetic process, you are mistaken here, the US President understands perfectly well that whoever patronizes Israel has the keys to the entire Middle East, imagine for a moment, the States are abandoning Israel ????, right now this niche Russia will take. And this is not a series of dreams, it is a reality, as well as a direct benefit to Russia.
    What will it be:
    Military bases with well-developed infrastructure, control over the Mediterranean Sea, equipped ports (rather than a 100-meter berth with a hangar in Tartus. Control over the gas and oil flow in the Middle East.

    So if the states merge Israel, then it can be considered a defeat of the states, not only in the Middle East, but the withdrawal from the position of a world power.
    1. old rocket man
      old rocket man 19 November 2013 23: 35
      0
      Quote: faraon
      So if the states merge Israel, then it can be considered a defeat of the states, not only in the Middle East, but the withdrawal from the position of a world power.

      And here you are right somewhere, well, if not a hundred, then ninety percent hi
  • slaventi
    slaventi 19 November 2013 11: 58
    +3
    Israel will have to come to terms and take a place in the second, or even third tier, prepared for him by Barack Obama.

    Israel and the United States are one, just everyone has their own role.
  • avg
    avg 19 November 2013 12: 04
    0
    The article, in general, is not about anything. But about the bandits of different levels, it’s exactly in the forehead. yes
  • Valery Neonov
    Valery Neonov 19 November 2013 12: 11
    +2
    USA-Israel, this "sweet couple" cannot be separated. The mere fact that the X-French "showed up" in Israel suggests that the Americans will not leave Iran alone. All the rhetoric on "warming" relations between the US and Iran is deceit. Amers need Syria and they need to "bind" Iran with treaties.
  • faraon
    faraon 19 November 2013 12: 11
    0
    Now imagine that there should be a lot of goals, which means there will be many planes too. Add refueling to everything, and you will get dizzying aircraft traffic in the sky, with a total number of at least 50 units. For Iranian air defense, it will be a "good hunt."

    Perhaps it will be a "good hunt" for the Iranian air defense, provided the Delitanian approach to resolving the issue of the Iranian nuclear program. But thank God in Israel there are still specialists capable of planning and implementing this operation.

    so “the dog barks, but the caravan moves on.” Israel has no choice.
  • faraon
    faraon 19 November 2013 12: 11
    -1
    Now imagine that there should be a lot of goals, which means there will be many planes too. Add refueling to everything, and you will get dizzying aircraft traffic in the sky, with a total number of at least 50 units. For Iranian air defense, it will be a "good hunt."

    Perhaps it will be a "good hunt" for the Iranian air defense, provided the Delitanian approach to resolving the issue of the Iranian nuclear program. But thank God in Israel there are still specialists capable of planning and implementing this operation.

    so “the dog barks, but the caravan moves on.” Israel has no choice.
    1. Grbear
      Grbear 19 November 2013 12: 58
      0
      I specially flipped through your comments. That's why they don't love you. Everyone is to blame except you and: - "I can punish when I want angry ". If there are many of you, then Netanyahu is there.

      And as for the Jewish-Russian coalition against the United States - this is nonsense. It’s not just that you have your back to face, you have to look back.
      1. Aaron Zawi
        Aaron Zawi 19 November 2013 19: 06
        -1
        Quote: GrBear
        I specially flipped through your comments. That's why they don't love you. Everyone is to blame except you and: - "I can punish when I want angry ". If there are many of you, then Netanyahu is there.
        In all the problems of Israel, only Israel is to blame. Act Israel in Judea and Samaria in 1967, since the USSR acted in 1945-46 in East Prussia many tragedies could have been avoided.
        [And about the Jewish-Russian coalition against the United States - this is nonsense. It’s not just that you have your back to face, you have to look back.

        Of course nonsense. Whatever conflicts between the USA and Israel, these are nothing more than problems between the French Kingdom and the Duchy of Burgundy wink .
        1. WASABI
          WASABI 20 November 2013 09: 07
          -1
          Quote: Aron Zaavi
          problems between the French Kingdom and the Duchy of Burgundy

          These "problems" led to mass stabbing! Are you hinting at a similar ending? If yes, then you are right !!!
  • high
    high 19 November 2013 12: 56
    -1
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Quote: bif
    , and most importantly, for such an operation, Iran will be very willing to turn Israel into the Gobi Desert

    Iran understands that after the strike on Israel, the United States will enter the war with all its sixes. Therefore, Iran has only one way out, to shoot down planes, if they cannot ...

    You forget that 2 Israeli submarines are always on duty off the coast of Iran ... at the same time, Israel can turn Iran into the Gobi Desert, while Iran does not have such an opportunity .... The United States has never participated in wars on the side of Israel ....
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 19 November 2013 15: 03
      +2
      Quote: alta
      You forget that 2 Israeli submarines are always on duty off the coast of Iran ... at the same time, Israel can turn Iran into the Gobi desert,

      Why forget, there’s not just a real chance for Israel that 80% is a success. Only if Iran gives the answer, then the United States will go into the war and not even because of Israel, not to miss the chance to unleash the war and put an end to another enemy.
  • JonnyT
    JonnyT 19 November 2013 12: 58
    +1
    Israel has not been thrown, the relocation program is just beginning to be implemented
  • Day 11
    Day 11 19 November 2013 14: 09
    -2
    Guys. Not really in the subject. Just take a look at what is not included. Andrei Filatov is still a risky man. I almost got a sniper bullet
  • experienced
    experienced 19 November 2013 14: 50
    +3
    I advise everyone who tries to cauterize with the verb of the Jews to turn to the classics (J. Moritz):

    How few Jews are left in Russia,
    how much (deleted by moderator....) divorced ...
    Sparrow flew to me from Korea
    out the window in the middle of a winter day,
    pecks from the palm, trembling and shy,
    he too, he too - relatives, -
    how few Jews are left in Russia,
    how little is left of me ...

    Guys, those whom you rot under the Jewish flag (Israeli citizens) are Jews (Russians, Ukrainians ...) but under the Russian tricolor you can often see a terry train ... and winked
    1. faraon
      faraon 19 November 2013 15: 07
      0
      Experienced precisely noticed (+)
    2. MIKHAN
      MIKHAN 19 November 2013 18: 33
      +1
      Quote: seasoned
      Guys, those whom you rot under the Jewish flag (Israeli citizens) are Jews (Russians, Ukrainians ...) but under the Russian tricolor you can often see a terry train ... and

      And what are they doing there .. ??? Waiting for applause? or maybe repentance from us .. and indemnities .. ???
      Experienced "how few Jews are left in Russia,
      how little is left of me.
      .. you still can’t squeeze a tear ... I’m not an anti-Semite and yet ...
      1. Aaron Zawi
        Aaron Zawi 19 November 2013 19: 08
        -2
        Quote: MIKHAN

        And what are they doing there .. ??? Waiting for applause? or maybe repentance from us .. and indemnities .. ???
        Experienced "how few Jews are left in Russia,
        how little is left of me.
        .. you still can’t squeeze a tear ... I’m not an anti-Semite and yet ...

        we live here and don’t look back at neighbors like you. But in general, you are not a tear, you squeeze out the Jews, they have nothing to do in Russia.
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        1. MIKHAN
          MIKHAN 19 November 2013 19: 38
          +2
          Well, you’ve got the blue flag in your hands ..! I understood everything .. just now it's not that topic .. I’ll think ..
      3. 3.7.964
        3.7.964 19 November 2013 20: 06
        0
        Quote: MIKHAN
        how little remains of me ... you still can’t squeeze out a tear.

        Understand MIKHAN, seasoned is what the Zionist "gang" hangs out for here
        1. Aaron Zawi
          Aaron Zawi 19 November 2013 20: 41
          0
          Quote: 3.7.964

          Understand MIKHAN, seasoned is what the Zionist "gang" hangs out for here

          Oh how. Why are you "Square" hanging out here.
          1. 3.7.964
            3.7.964 19 November 2013 21: 07
            0
            Quote: Aron Zaavi
            Oh how. Why are you "Square" hanging out here.

            Aron Zaavi, we know that you are a "sent kozachek", without you constantly showing it, change your surname to Shlema Kharkovsky, or something)))
            1. Aaron Zawi
              Aaron Zawi 19 November 2013 21: 16
              +1
              Quote: 3.7.964

              Aron Zaavi, we know that you are a "sent kozachek", without you constantly showing it, change your surname to Shlema Kharkovsky, or something)))

              You will give advice to your mother-in-law.
              1. 3.7.964
                3.7.964 19 November 2013 21: 27
                0
                Quote: Aron Zaavi
                You will give advice to your mother-in-law.

                Cool Aron! Purely patsansky ... good
                1. Aaron Zawi
                  Aaron Zawi 19 November 2013 21: 58
                  +1
                  Quote: 3.7.964

                  Cool Aron! Purely patsansky ... good
                  Fine. There are several people on the forum whom I am ready to constantly ask and learn from them because they definitely surpass me with knowledge in military subjects. There are a few people who are interesting to argue with. There are a lot of talkers and tellers throwing empty slogans with which you can only joke.
                  And you are an enemy. Therefore, I am ready to speak with you only as an enemy. This would be a misunderstanding.
                  1. 3.7.964
                    3.7.964 19 November 2013 22: 44
                    +1
                    Quote: Aron Zaavi
                    And you are an enemy. Therefore, I am ready to speak with you only as an enemy. This would be a misunderstanding.

                    Aron! You don’t understand something, judging by the situation, the enemy is you, you are sitting on a Russian-language resource, you are doing subversive work against the Slavs (exactly like that, against the Slavs, because Russia, Ukraine, Belarus are temporarily divided and occupied a great Slavic country, and your people had a hand in the division of this country. And many, very many, my people were in trouble from your brother.) And since you spend a lot of time here, the question arises: Why are you here? And judging by your posts, then you are a saboteur, a sort of Internet saboteur, and your task is to wage an ideological and information war against the Slavs. Toch, against my people. With all the consequences ... hi
                    1. Aaron Zawi
                      Aaron Zawi 19 November 2013 23: 14
                      0
                      This is something you did not understand. It's not me on a site called "Voennoye Obozreniye" and dedicated to the discussion of military history, performance characteristics of military equipment and military development, I post articles from the "yellow press" where issues of BV are discussed. And you are the enemy of my people and my country. For all the time that I have been at the forum, I have never said a single rude word either about Russia, or about Ukraine, or about Kazakhstan, while from many participants of this forum from these countries, rudeness and dirt are pouring towards Israel. But most of these people are just dull people, while you are not very stupid. Therefore, you are the enemy, and they are balabols.
                      As for "subversive work" and other nonsense, I am even too lazy to react to this nonsense.
                      1. 3.7.964
                        3.7.964 19 November 2013 23: 26
                        0
                        Quote: Aron Zaavi
                        This is something you did not understand. It's not me on a site called "Voennoye Obozreniye" and dedicated to the discussion of military history, performance characteristics of military equipment and military development, I post articles from the "yellow press" where issues of BV are discussed. And you are the enemy of my people and my country. For all the time that I have been at the forum, I have never said a single rude word either about Russia, or about Ukraine, or about Kazakhstan, while from many participants of this forum from these countries, rudeness and dirt are pouring towards Israel.

                        Why do you think mud pours on Israel? Maybe there is a reason for this?
                      2. Aaron Zawi
                        Aaron Zawi 20 November 2013 00: 05
                        0
                        Quote: 3.7.964

                        Why do you think mud pours on Israel? Maybe there is a reason for this?
                        Israel is a "Big Jew", and therefore this is the easiest way to throw out your anger, dissatisfaction with the situation and powerlessness because "If there is no water in the tap ...", it is clear who is to blame, not the management company, not the city hall, not the governor, but the Jews. But the Jews in Russia are 0,1% according to the 2010 census, where you can find them at hand, and Israel seems to be heard, so they pour out on him, everything that is boiling.
                      3. 3.7.964
                        3.7.964 20 November 2013 00: 43
                        +2
                        Quote: Aron Zaavi
                        and Israel seems to be heard, and they are pouring on it, everything that has boiled.

                        This is your point of view, and you think it is correct and does not stand objection, I think differently.
                      4. ele1285
                        ele1285 20 November 2013 23: 00
                        0
                        Come on ..., in fact, Muscovites are already to blame, regardless of NOTHING DEPENDS
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      1. 3.7.964
        3.7.964 19 November 2013 23: 32
        +2
        Quote: seasoned
        Bugaga, but I didn’t even know

        Not given to you, sorry of course, but not given.
  • high
    high 19 November 2013 15: 22
    +2
    It’s not clear-so much bile against Israel, despite the fact that Israel is providing assistance to Russia in medicine, weapons, agriculture, the fight against terrorism ......
    Considering that Russia occupies 134th place in the world in terms of life expectancy (for Medicine they allocate a meager - 3.5% of GDP) Israel:
    - Israeli cardiac surgeons, last year, flew to Samara to perform an operation on a 35-year-old man (aortic rupture), whom no one in Russia undertook to have an operation. The operation saved the patient’s life and after XNUMX hours the patient could already breathe on his own, and a month later he flew to Israel for an examination.
    - An increase in oncological diseases was observed in Chechnya, and Russia turned to Israel for help.
    A delegation of Israeli specialists in oncology, radiology and cytology helped to create the necessary material and technical base for the development of the oncological service of Chechnya and for training local doctors the latest methods of treating cancer.
    - at the beginning of the year in Israel, 24 specialists from Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Uzbekistan and Tajikistan, as well as Mongolia, took part in a special course to help HIV-infected and AIDS-infected children and adolescents ....
    - About 30000 patients from Russia come to Israel annually to undergo treatment in hospitals and medical centers of the country (the latter is the famous skater Plushenko, who underwent surgery on the spine .... a gold medal at the Olympics in Sochi should show the professionalism of Israeli doctors)
    The abundance of clients from abroad receiving medical care to the highest standards creates problems for local patients, as the queue for operations and various expensive procedures are increasing ....
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  • Alexandr0id
    Alexandr0id 19 November 2013 16: 36
    0
    sooner or later, Iran will have a bomb, and as soon as this happens, both Saudi Arabia and Turkey, and later Egypt, will acquire bombs. and that will not change anything. the war in the Middle East will continue using machine guns and RPGs.
  • Keeper
    Keeper 19 November 2013 16: 59
    0
    Quote: alta
    It’s not clear-so much bile against Israel, despite the fact that Israel is providing assistance to Russia in medicine, weapons, agriculture, the fight against terrorism ......
    Given that Russia occupies 134 place in the world in terms of life expectancy ....
    The abundance of clients from abroad receiving medical care to the highest standards creates problems for local patients, as the queue for operations and various expensive procedures are increasing ....

    You are right, dear ALTA. But the matter is much deeper than "friendship of peoples"!
    It is difficult to explain in a nutshell why nationalism and anti-Semitism occur. But the root of evil lies far from the human factor. I am by no means against the Jews and anyone else. But there is a problem in every nation: Russian Vanya, black chock, cunning Greek womanizer, French woman - all these are stereotypes that are observed not only by the forward-looking, but also by representatives of these nations.

    Hence the question:
    - In your opinion, what is the reason for such an attitude specifically to Israel ?!
  • Ross
    Ross 19 November 2013 18: 16
    +3
    Quote: faraon
    Why the hell do you need Russia?
    Oh and don’t talk.
    The fact is that Israel is not so divorced as the people of Russia were divorced during the two revolutions. Yes, and the people here are not quite simple for vouchers and privatization certificates.

    And who spread it? Are not your countrymen?
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 19 November 2013 18: 41
    +2
    Quote: Ross
    Quote: faraon
    Why the hell do you need Russia?
    Oh and don’t talk.
    The fact is that Israel is not so divorced as the people of Russia were divorced during the two revolutions. Yes, and the people here are not quite simple for vouchers and privatization certificates.

    And who spread it? Are not your countrymen?

    They always have nothing to do with it ... (they can bomb .. kill a robber .... and there is always such silence in the media) Now they dug Arafat .. (polonium .. poisoning) and silence in the media ..))) Remember Litvinenko? ?? and Berezovsky ... For two years, Russia was accused of the media in all the media and the Internet ... I think one trace ..
  • high
    high 19 November 2013 19: 01
    -2
    Quote: Keeper
    Quote: alta
    It’s not clear-so much bile against Israel, despite the fact that Israel is providing assistance to Russia in medicine, weapons, agriculture, the fight against terrorism ......
    Given that Russia occupies 134 place in the world in terms of life expectancy ....
    The abundance of clients from abroad receiving medical care to the highest standards creates problems for local patients, as the queue for operations and various expensive procedures are increasing ....


    - In your opinion, what is the reason for such an attitude specifically to Israel ?!

    1. Recently I read that the king of Sweden is to blame for the round of anti-Semitism (Today) - this year 60% of Jews (6 out of 10) received the Nobel Prize in Natural Sciences ..... this causes envy and hatred ..
    A couple of years ago, in one Arab city, children burned their classmate - he was excellent students and stood out, teachers praised him ..... classmates hated him ...
    2. If we take today's Russia, then this is a consequence of many years of state anti-Semitism in the USSR.
    Take WWII ..... state propaganda of the USSR issued - Jews did not participate in the war, they were in Tashkent ..., BUT
    - According to the statistics of the Ministry of Defense, out of 3 million, 500 thousand Jews fought, of which 40% died ....
    - during the war, 250 Jewish generals appeared, and now, apparently, no longer ... there was really General Rokhlin, who refused the Golden Star for Chechnya ... and they killed him ....
    - by the number of Heroes per 100.000 people, Jews (6,83) take second place after Russians (7,66)
    - By the way, as acknowledged by Marshal Aviation Novikov, appeared in 1943. in the sky of aircraft Semen Moiseevich Lavochkin, turned the tide of the war ....
    This was confirmed by Ivan Kozhedub, three times Hero of the Soviet Union, shot down 7 German planes on a La-62 fighter ...... and three times Hero Pokryshkin shot down half of the planes on the MIG (Mikoyan-Gurevich), then he transferred to an American fighter .. ..

    Writer, Russian nationalist, author of the best-selling book “Notre Dame Mosque”, E. Chudinova:
    ,, What is Israel? A small strip of land reclaimed from the barren desert.
    But her disappearance comes back to us.
    Who is currently pursuing anti-Israeli policies in Russia?
    People, oddly enough, are seen in hatred of everything Russian.
    Who are they? Jemal, which I don’t understand at all, why is the Wahhabi political instructor at large?
    Look at the faces of the anti-Israelites - and you will see a russophobe hari. ,,
    1. builder
      builder 19 November 2013 21: 14
      0
      ..... it causes envy and hatred ..

      In my opinion, this is some kind of complex of Jews (the costs of education) - the entire population of the world is jealous of the Jews and therefore they hate them.
      Take WWII ..... state propaganda of the USSR issued-Jews did not participate in the war

      As the Professor says, refer to some Soviet document or at least a newspaper.
    2. WASABI
      WASABI 20 November 2013 09: 25
      0
      Quote: alta
      state propaganda of the USSR issued - Jews did not participate in the war, sat in Tashkent ...,

      If THIS was "state propaganda", it was clearly not the USSR! Wouldn't it be difficult for you to confirm your words ?!
      The rebuttal I spread and [b] this is exactly the state propaganda of the USSR [/ b]
    3. Allegedly
      Allegedly 21 November 2013 03: 24
      0
      Quote: alta
      - according to the statistics of the Ministry of Defense, out of 3 million, 500 thousand Jews fought


      150 (one hundred and fifty thousand) Mishling served in the Wehrmacht. For a long time, the Nazi press put on their covers a photograph of a blue-eyed blonde in a helmet. Under the picture it read: “An ideal German soldier.” This Aryan ideal was the Wehrmacht fighter Werner Goldberg (with a Jewish pope). I can give so many examples that the forum does not have so much space. So there was everything, and there is no need to ride here all over the ears.
  • Yuri Y.
    Yuri Y. 19 November 2013 19: 06
    0
    I do not think that Israel wants to merge (article jargon). After all, we are not talking about physical destruction, but otherwise they themselves will get out (in my opinion, part of the Jewish mentality). It’s just that American Jews (the Jewish lobby) may have their own interests, slightly different from the interests of Israel. Surely the Americans consider themselves the most Jewish among the Jews, here both Jewish God's chosen people and American exclusivity, maybe even the leaders of the nation. Israel really will merge only if there is a talk about the world state of Israel, and even then this is relative.
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 19 November 2013 19: 26
    +2
    Quote: Aaron Zawi
    Quote: MIKHAN

    And what are they doing there .. ??? Waiting for applause? or maybe repentance from us .. and indemnities .. ???
    Experienced "how few Jews are left in Russia,
    how little is left of me.
    .. you still can’t squeeze a tear ... I’m not an anti-Semite and yet ...

    You squeeze the Jews, they have nothing to do in Russia.

    The normal ones were lured away with big money and benefits (the Jews themselves) .. remained mostly cunning and greedy .. like "mom is a lawyer .. dad is Russian. Or vice versa ..))) wassat Here they teach us life in the media .. and on the forums .. if I honestly admit .. But as they say not for the first time .. we will break through as usual in our history. (The man said tocha pitchfork in the barn ..)))
    1. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 19 November 2013 19: 45
      +3
      Please answer .. For example, a man is half Russian and half Jewish. Grew up in Russia. His Jewish dad or mom also grew up in Russia and is completely assimilated. A person does not know either Jewish traditions, language or religion. This person culturally and mentally feels himself Russian. If he does not adhere to common political views with you, then he is Russian, and if the opposite is a Jew? So do you put emphasis? For example, Academician Alferov and former Prime Minister Kiriyenko have a Jewish mother, but one is the pride of Russia for you, and the other is a "Zionist agent". So to understand you?
      1. Gluxar_
        Gluxar_ 19 November 2013 20: 35
        +1
        Judge by business. It is necessary to squeeze out not Jews from Russia, but Jewish from a person. That is, you need to be human.
        1. Aaron Zawi
          Aaron Zawi 19 November 2013 21: 18
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          Quote: Gluxar_
          Judge by business. It is necessary to squeeze out not Jews from Russia, but Jewish from a person. That is, you need to be human.

          From your point of view, is Jewish bad? And mine is good. Here we will not find a common denominator.
      2. Asgard
        Asgard 19 November 2013 21: 13
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        Oh, and I do not like to get into a showdown of ... reality)))))
        It seems like Big Uncles, but you are led by the color gradation of pants (remember the Soviet film "Kin-dza-dza"
        On the planet, there are two categories of People and Human-shaped .....

        If you read, help, moderate in consumption, constantly study, take care of children and the elderly, do not attack with a "flock" of your own kind, try to figure it out, love "silence" - congratulations. You belong to the category OF PEOPLE.

        And if you drink beer, you believe everything they tell you (on TV, in the media, "friends")) you love comics, porn-but, music-pop ......, popcorn, groveling in front of your bosses and attacking the weak in a crowd - then you -person
        That's why Russian is conjugated with any nouns, one can say Russian Jew, Russian Karelian, Russian Tatar .......
        But the Jewish Tatar, or Tatar Russian-DO NOT SAY ....
        There are no nations (this is an artificial division))
        - People .... something smart, in a different way and by bunching trying to make a mess in living together on the planet ....
      3. Allegedly
        Allegedly 21 November 2013 23: 51
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        Quote: Aron Zaavi
        His Jewish dad or mother ... A person does not know Jewish traditions, language or religion


        What are you smoking there? Do you understand what you yourself wrote? Both parents are Jews, and the person does not know anything about who he is? And about your rights to everything? He also knows nothing about goyim?

        On the one hand, I can be called a Zionist, I am a sincere supporter of the state of Israel. And so that all Jews go there, and live happily there. All. Happily. There.
  • alone
    alone 19 November 2013 19: 38
    0
    What a strange article. Yes, and to be honest, the author does not pull on an expert. If someone thinks that Israel merges the United States, then he generally does not think anything in politics.

    about the bombing of Iranian targets, be sure if Israel needs to do this and will not ask anyone. It’s enough to recall the American reconnaissance ship, which was drowned by the Israelis so that the Arabs could not know the beginning of the war in 1967.
    1. MIKHAN
      MIKHAN 19 November 2013 19: 48
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      Quote: lonely
      remember the American reconnaissance ship that the Israelis drowned so that the Arabs would not be able to find out the beginning of the war in 1967.

      I think at the beginning of 2014. they’ll sink the aircraft carrier .. or something like that ..)) and again there will be honest honest eyes .. bully
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 19 November 2013 20: 15
    +3
    Quote: Aaron Zawi
    Please answer .. For example, a man is half Russian and half Jewish. Grew up in Russia. His Jewish dad or mom also grew up in Russia and is completely assimilated. A person does not know either Jewish traditions, language or religion. This person culturally and mentally feels himself Russian. If he does not adhere to common political views with you, then he is Russian, and if the opposite is a Jew? So do you put emphasis? For example, Academician Alferov and former Prime Minister Kiriyenko have a Jewish mother, but one is the pride of Russia for you, and the other is a "Zionist agent". So to understand you?

    I don’t care who’s mom, who’s dad and what nation .. If he considers himself a patriot of Russia and just loves his country, his homeland is even ugly (Shevchuk’s song ..) and doesn’t spread rot in the media, he does not have dual citizenship and is ready to stand under arms as a soldier (despite the merits and ranks ..) .. I repeat once again the identity and nationality for Russia, the concepts of coming and going .. The main love for the motherland where you grew up And Russia is a huge territory with different nationalities and religions .. And she alive and developing, and this is her strength! And such questions are provocative .... I respect Alferov as a person (but also a scientist by itself) .. Kirenko .. (in vain they reminded .... I am silent .. That's something like that ..
    1. high
      high 19 November 2013 21: 44
      -3
      Mikhan, your logic is understandable V. Surkov, Vysotsky, Rutskoi - Russians, and Khodarkovsky - a Jew
  • mithridate
    mithridate 19 November 2013 20: 16
    +1
    darlings scold - only amuse, considering that the USA is the promised land No. 2
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 19 November 2013 20: 31
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    Now that Obama has “lowered” Israel, Netanyahu realizes that he will not be released from the circle of offended, and will never be allowed to the “upper world”. This is what Israel is fighting today, however, so far without success
    In short, we are preparing for provocations by frauds, etc. .. At the world level ..! Israel will never forgive this .. We are unlikely to be allowed to hold the Olympics .. bully
  • Indifferent
    Indifferent 20 November 2013 04: 10
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    The dispute about Israel! But I think that Germany or Japan can create their own nuclear weapons in two years! It is all about the country's technical equipment and its scientific and technological potential. They do not do this, because they are covered by an American nuclear umbrella. But Israel, violating everything and everything, has at least 300 nuclear heads. He can, but not Iran! Which of the Jewish political scientists will explain this to me?