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Real Russia. Without lies and dill

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VTsIOM, FOM and the ISEPI Foundation launched a project "Russia is surprising". This is a new brain break for hamsters, and in huge portions and - most importantly - from official and serious structures.

If “Made by Us” by Roman Kovrigin, “RuExpert” by Oleg Makarenka (fritzmorgen blogger) and other sites, individual bloggers are private initiatives of ordinary people who are sick of reading the total dummy about Russia on the Internet, then here come reputable institutions with huge baggage of knowledge and skills. It is clear that convinced "all propalschiki" is not able to convince anything, and especially the official data of "Rosstat" and VTsIOM - they say, Putin's henchmen work out their bread with caviar. This is all clear.

But at the same time, it is obvious that it will not be easy to dismiss such information, and that it will be useful for many millions of sane people on the Internet to find out the truth about their country, and not the dill.

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Myth: "Russians are dissatisfied with themselves and life"

REALLY: Over the past 8 years, the number of people satisfied with life has increased significantly. Moreover, in 2, the respondents began to talk less often about dissatisfaction with life.

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Myth: "Russians no longer believe Putin"

REALLY: Today, three out of four Russians (73%) admit that V. Putin has done a lot for Russia in difficult circumstances - his services to the country every year are more and more obvious to the population. The majority does not doubt the assertion that V.Putin is a strong leader (74%) who pursues the right foreign policy (74%).

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Myth: "Russia is on the verge of revolution again"

REALLY: Over the period of 2006-2013, the indicator of personal protest potential significantly decreased. Compared to 2006, the figure has halved: only 17% of those surveyed in 2013 have indicated their readiness to take part in mass protests.

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MYTH: "Russians are not satisfied with the course of the country's development.

REALLY: Most Russians positively assess the development vector of the country, and approval grew from 2005 to 2007 a year. However, the economic crisis and its consequences have affected the opinions of Russians. At the beginning of 2009, the approval of the country's development vector was the lowest in the last 7 years. Since 2009, more and more people in Russia agree that things in the country are moving in the right direction.

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Myth: "Russia does not have its own food" or "Imported products are better than local ones.

REALLY: The absolute majority of respondents (69%) declare that they prefer to buy products of domestic production. Only 1% of respondents prefer products from foreign manufacturers.

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MYTH: "Russians monitor oil prices and fear a crisis.

REALLY: The absolute majority of respondents in recent years have noted that they do not follow world oil prices. At the same time, the share of those who monitor oil prices in 2012 decreased to 16%. It should be noted that in 2001, the shares of those interested and those not interested were distributed equally.

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Myth: "Russians do not believe the ruble"

REALLY: Russians now tend to trust the ruble more than foreign currencies. Only every fifth respondent in 2012 reported that he trusts the currency of other states more.

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Myth: "Russia produces nothing"

REALLY: Agricultural output is growing. In 2009-2010 There was a decrease in crop production, but in subsequent years there was a noticeable increase. Livestock production is steadily growing.

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Myth: "In distress, in education, science and culture"

REALLY: Almost every second Russian believes that the state of affairs in the sphere of culture, science and education can be assessed as good and satisfactory. These numbers haven't changed much in the last 5 years.

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Myth: "Science does not develop in Russia"

REALLY: The number of organizations doing research and development related to nanotechnology has been growing since 2008. In 2011, the number of organizations doing research and development related to nanotechnology has reached 485.

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Myth: "Patriotism is not in vogue"

REALLY: The absolute majority of respondents call themselves patriots of their country.

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Myth: "Russian is peculiar to chauvinism" or "Russians are racists"

REALLY: For the absolute majority of Russians, the word "Nationalism" has a negative meaning.

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Myth: "Islamophobia is growing in Russia"

REALLY: Every second respondent has a negative attitude towards Islam, every fifth (19%) positively. Almost half of the respondents said they would be neutral to the adoption of Islam by people close to them.

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Myth: "Russia has nothing to be proud of"

REALLY: Russians are most proud history their country (85%), Russian sports (77%), culture and art (75%). Also, the pride of more than half of the respondents are the military power of the country and Russian science, while every second is proud of Russia's position in the international arena. But the standard of living, by contrast, tend to be more critical.

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Myth: “Russians are the laziest nation” or “Russians don’t like and don’t want to work”

REALLY: Every second respondent believes that the majority of Russians work hard at their jobs. At the same time, more than half of the respondents stated that they work hard, “plow” in their workplace.

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This is only part of the myths, debunked by the project "Russia is surprising." And it should be noted that from many polls it is clear that the authors are not trying to embellish the reality and confirm many of the negative aspects that exist in the country.

However, all these data in aggregate do not leave a wet place from the dill, which we have been forced through the information space for more than 20 years. And if the official structures and such serious research institutions really take up the work begun and continue to break the hamsters patterns, then there is no doubt that in a few years, many of the hamsters will again become sober-minded people, and the mood in society will change dramatically. And along with it, there will be a massive enthusiasm, without which it is impossible to rebuild the country, let alone make with it a qualitative leap into the future.
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  1. Tarpon
    Tarpon 19 November 2013 06: 36 New
    80
    Myth: "Russians no longer believe Putin"

    Myth or not, I don’t know, but if Serdyukov were imprisoned, then a lot of questions for Putin would be removed.
    1. Kibalchish
      Kibalchish 19 November 2013 06: 40 New
      +7
      How can Putin plant his friend? In addition, Serdyukov returned to his family, which means that he can throw a new position. Do not disappear to such a person!
      1. Orel
        Orel 19 November 2013 06: 48 New
        +2
        How can Putin plant his friend? In addition, Serdyukov returned to the family


        I agree. Just Serdyukov decided to leave his influential wife and did not calculate his strength. I had to return with apologies and repentance ...
        1. bask
          bask 19 November 2013 07: 54 New
          19
          Quote: Orel
          I agree. Just Serdyukov decided to leave his influential wife and did not calculate his strength. I had to return with apologies and repentance ...

          And the forehead broke the stools not only in front of his wife, but also in front of his father-in-law.
        2. Canep
          Canep 19 November 2013 07: 59 New
          21
          Yes, it looks like a family showdown. Do not wait for landings.
          And according to the article, I want to add all these myths that apply by 30 percent to snickering Moscow (judging by the results of the mayoral election). It is worth driving 200-300 km from MKAD and you will see a completely different Russia.
          1. dark_65
            dark_65 19 November 2013 08: 22 New
            14
            Moscow is not yet a nation, but already a nation. Unfortunately.
            Nationality - a historical community of people arising from individual tribes during the collapse of tribal relations, at an early stage of feudalism based on subsistence farming, before the emergence of strong economic ties and a single economy. It is characterized by the unity of language, territory, customs and culture. A higher stage in the development of society is the people.
          2. APES
            APES 19 November 2013 08: 56 New
            +8
            Quote: Canep
            And for the article I want to add all these myths


            Question: why all this?

            I saw an answer like this:

            And with it, there will be mass enthusiasm, without which it is impossible to rebuild the country and even more so to make a qualitative leap into the future with it


            Again, they will probably offer to tighten their belts in order to build a bright capitalist future, at least in a single megalopolis (which, in principle, is happening).
          3. Kolovrat77
            Kolovrat77 19 November 2013 10: 19 New
            +6
            632 697 out of 11 979 529 and believe me, Mr. Saper, the liberists for this election mobilized everyone, all not even walking and crazy - 9%, but I did not go, and why? And for some reason, the authorities realized how many of them 632 are in the central city (where all the scum from Georgian authorities to provincial pederasts flocks) + the same for Russia. Putin smart, competent move. Calm down, in Moscow there are still many adequate people who, by their presence, do not give a new 697 or 17, we interfere, so to speak.
          4. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 19 November 2013 14: 00 New
            15
            Myth: "Russia produces nothing"
            REALLY: Agricultural output is growing. In 2009-2010 There was a decrease in crop production, but in subsequent years there was a noticeable increase. Livestock production is steadily growing.
            NONSENSE. Russia24 reported that production growth in 2013 amounted to 0.3 percent. And in agriculture, this GROWTH was especially noticeable last year, when grain prices rose almost 2 times, putting many livestock farmers on the brink of bankruptcy. Meat prices rose by 20-25 percent. What kind of recovery are we talking about?
            Myth: "In distress, in education, science and culture"
            REALLY: Almost every second Russian believes that the state of affairs in the sphere of culture, science and education can be assessed as good and satisfactory. These numbers haven't changed much in the last 5 years.
            Nonsense, too. Among whom was the survey conducted, among children and grandmothers? My mother is in the village, the zomboyaschik is the only source of information, TNT and STS does not show. She also thinks that everything is very "CULTURAL" here. With education in general, a priest, and every parent knows this. The author expressed his thought - Sleep, we are doing well. am
            1. atalef
              atalef 19 November 2013 14: 19 New
              +9
              In general, statistics are a terrible thing, as well as polls - as an example
              You are a patriot of your country, of course the answer

              REALLY: The absolute majority of respondents call themselves patriots of their country.

              Voros - Mr. Deputy - Are you satisfied with the standard of living - the answer is understandable, the conclusion
              Actually: Over the past 8 years, the number of people satisfied with life has significantly increased. At the same time, 2 times less often respondents began to talk about dissatisfaction with life

              question - Mr. Chubais. the development of science, and in particular, in Skolkovo, the answer will understandably be neither in the number of scientific discoveries, registered patents or breakthroughs in the regions, but it will be about spent funds
              REALLY: The number of organizations doing research and development related to nanotechnology has been growing since 2008. In 2011, the number of organizations doing research and development related to nanotechnology has reached 485.

              etc . A ridiculous article, I’m not saying that there is nothing good and that something has not improved, but to bring such evidence base is simply anti-advertising
              1. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 19 November 2013 15: 10 New
                +3
                Quote: atalef
                just anti-advertising

                Exactly. But it works on children. laughing
            2. alone
              alone 19 November 2013 19: 13 New
              +2
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              Meat prices climbed 20-25 percent


              Quote: Ingvar 72
              What kind of recovery are we talking about?

              and this is not a rise? wink
              1. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 19 November 2013 20: 30 New
                0
                Quote: lonely
                and this is not a rise? wink

                Yes, you are a cynic, my friend. bully
            3. smart ass
              smart ass 20 November 2013 07: 49 New
              0
              I agree with you 100%, I came across health care, it's terrible, it's easier to rest than going to the clinic
          5. timer
            timer 19 November 2013 23: 52 New
            -1
            Yes, what the heck is a family showdown, it’s a play called the fight against corruption. It’s designed for you and people. Everyone does it. Here we are, the organizers of this show think so! And it’s not even about the heart (but Chubais, Vekselberg and other rats ). The case in the other way-puten will not put his friends, then that they are in the same boat. And this boat is the EXTRAORDINARY SYSTEM OF AUTHORITY! They are good, people and Russia are bad. We must do the opposite. And how to do this, we must put aside our indifference to the fate of their country, their children. This is the main thing. What I propose specifically, let us first establish contacts through personal correspondence (my mailbox is [email protected]). I have a draft program for some kind of unification. I invite you!
            1. Candy wrapper
              Candy wrapper 20 November 2013 10: 40 New
              0
              The web is not the best place for flies to conspire against a spider. Stupidity or provocation?
        3. kaktus
          kaktus 19 November 2013 17: 00 New
          0
          2013 is the year of the family, everything is right laughing
      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 19 November 2013 06: 57 New
        12
        Quote: Kibalchish
        How can Putin plant his friend?

        If there was a friend, there would be no noise. Putin is not to lower his rating by such criminal cases. It’s just that no one would have known anything. Serdyukov has enough friends without Putin.
        1. bask
          bask 19 November 2013 07: 41 New
          +6
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          seu Serdyukov and without Putin grab friends

          Alexander, this is pure fantasy ...
          In Russia, only Putin solves such questions and appointments.
          And he really saved the stool from prison, as it was supposed.
          He has already ceased to be amazed at his appointments, everything is predictable.
          In my words, Esenhower "" "Though a bastard but his own" "" "(according to such principles, the GDP makes appointments, personal devotion) and such bastards and pests in his team to *******.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 19 November 2013 07: 48 New
            +7
            Quote: bask
            And he really saved the stool from prison, as it was supposed.

            Well, then why did he have to make a noise at all in that case? He understands that the people are not happy and that all the lumps in this case fall on him. If he did just that, then you would not find anything in the press, and there would be a daily cheer on TV.
            Quote: bask
            In my words, Esenhower "" "Though a bastard but his own" "" "(according to such principles, the GDP makes appointments, personal devotion) and such bastards and pests in his team to *******.

            Putin has enough farts and with an uncleaned reputation, why does he need a half-dead horse.
            1. bask
              bask 19 November 2013 12: 40 New
              +5
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Well, then why did he have to make a noise at all in that case?

              Sash, the mood in the troops, and the vote in the State Duma, influenced the resignation of senrdyukov.
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Putin has enough farts and with an uncleaned reputation, why does he need a half-dead horse.

              I have enough devotees agree, name at least one patriot of Russia, and a professional in the field for what he is responsible for.
              Now I sat at the reception (commission), conducted my own social survey: 90% of respondents said that all x ***** and go to the bottom.
              Only future pioneers reacted positively to the situation in the country, 0,6 months to a year.
              But horses, though dead and mired in corruption, are not known to be changed (this is the most disgusting thing in GDP policy). What he judges is not about the professionalism of the candidate, but about his personal devotion to it.
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 19 November 2013 12: 56 New
                -1
                Quote: bask
                Sash, the mood in the troops, and the vote in the State Duma, influenced the resignation of senrdyukov.

                Oh, Bask himself, remember the mood in the military in 1995. Nothing affects anything. Putin would like to usurp power, he would. And the State Duma, so in general there is a majority for united Russia.
                Quote: bask

                I have enough devotees agree, name at least one patriot of Russia, and a professional in the field for what he is responsible for.

                Ishaev, I know for him for sure. A man whose words do not diverge from the deed.
                Quote: bask
                Now I sat at the reception (commission), conducted my own social survey: 90% of respondents said that all x ***** and go to the bottom.

                Commission to
                Quote: bask
                But horses, though dead and mired in corruption, as you know, do not change

                Even as they change me, Luzhkov is an example to you, and many others who are now either in disgrace or in opposition.
                1. alicante11
                  alicante11 19 November 2013 17: 09 New
                  +1
                  Ishaev, I know for him for sure. A man whose words do not diverge from the deed.


                  Only he is already "out of the deck". Even the plenipotentiaries were removed. We were sent to Rosneft to live out their days. Although, I think, not long left already ... looked terrible already. Well, or maybe he just didn't make up for the cameras ...
                2. 505506
                  505506 20 November 2013 06: 39 New
                  0
                  Ishaev of the sample of the 90s, was like that, and then they broke and bent, and now they just threw it away ...
            2. optimist
              optimist 19 November 2013 12: 50 New
              +3
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Well, then why did he have to make a noise at all in that case? He understands that the people are not happy and that all the lumps in this case fall on him. If he did just that, then you would not find anything in the press, and there would be a daily cheer on TV.

              "Elementary Watson!!!" When the Siberian Crane realized that the army was practically ruined, and the war was on the way and the fate of Gaddafi awaited him, there was nothing left to do but remove the fart and make him the scapegoat. But "something went wrong," "shit" overflowed and spilled over into the media. To plant a fart is a death sentence for a putler, because the rest of the thieves in power out of fear for themselves will drain it, like shit in the toilet (remember what you did with Emperor Paul). A year has passed, the passions have subsided a little, the fart is in a new place, the "thieves' vertical" is unshakable! As they say: thank you all, everyone is free !!! laughing
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 19 November 2013 12: 57 New
                0
                Quote: optimist

                "Elementary Watson!!!" When the Siberian Crane realized that the army was practically ditched, and the war was on the way and the fate of Gaddafi awaited him, there was nothing left to do but remove the fart and make him the scapegoat

                Bye!
                1. optimist
                  optimist 19 November 2013 16: 21 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  Bye!

                  What an amazing politeness, however ... Just in case, I remind you: we have not met or even greeted !!! laughing
                  1. Onyx
                    Onyx 19 November 2013 17: 15 New
                    -3
                    And just with people like you, there’s nothing to talk about and argue about
                    1. silver_roman
                      silver_roman 19 November 2013 17: 57 New
                      +3
                      do not be rude! Comrade "Optimist" was not rude to anyone and did not get personal!
                      1. Onyx
                        Onyx 19 November 2013 18: 33 New
                        -7
                        Quote: silver_roman
                        do not be rude! Comrade "Optimist" was not rude to anyone and did not get personal!

                        Someone to be rude or not to be rude to me, I will decide without you, dear.
                      2. silver_roman
                        silver_roman 19 November 2013 18: 55 New
                        0
                        As you wish, dear!

                        and so ... so no offense: I did not minus you first!
                      3. Onyx
                        Onyx 19 November 2013 19: 01 New
                        -1
                        No offense.
          2. Basarev
            Basarev 19 November 2013 16: 50 New
            +2
            And why I was not born in the pre-revolutionary years ... Now 1936 would have just come ...
          3. alicante11
            alicante11 19 November 2013 17: 11 New
            +1
            God be with you, what kind of war? Who needs a war without winners? Gaddafi did not have such a territory and such a quantity of nuclear weapons.
          4. silver_roman
            silver_roman 19 November 2013 17: 56 New
            +1
            You in one comment covered a piece of history for several centuries ... talent. good
            but on Pavel’s account, there are so many different theories that it’s not right to draw conclusions on this basis! Including that the Anglo-Saxons sentenced Paul, that he also has the right to life!
            1. optimist
              optimist 19 November 2013 20: 41 New
              +3
              Quote: silver_roman
              but on Pavel’s account, there are so many different theories that it’s not right to draw conclusions on this basis! Including that the Anglo-Saxons sentenced Paul, that he also has the right to life!

              Absolutely agree! Moreover, most likely it was so. But the fact that it was OUR APPROACHES who knocked him down is beyond doubt. Personally, you can also "sentence" the English queen, but it is not a fact that she will even know about it! laughing Well, now a few words about "faithful zaputintsy" ... They spit saliva and minus not because they are against another point of view, but because they feel like they are lousy against the background of the "wise" actions of their "idol". As the saying goes: "You will recognize them by their deeds." Those who break ... for the current "guarantor" have a very bad idea of ​​elementary logic: a normal person is unlikely to think that there are all 3,14 dorases at the top, one "Siberian" D'Artagnan ... As they say from ancient times in Russia: "What is the pop, - so is the arrival" and so on. Personally, I would have had everything "on the drum" if I did not understand that the current Russian Federation under such a "wise" leadership is similar to the doomed "Titanic". And the case with fart clearly shows how much the fart is ... but the current government refers to the Russian "plebs": in any other country in such a situation, a fart would have been imprisoned long ago, even if he was clean, like a lamb, at least to this very "plebs" to calm down.
              1. silver_roman
                silver_roman 20 November 2013 10: 32 New
                0
                Quote: optimist
                Personally, you can also "sentence" the English queen, but it is not a fact that she will even know about it

                Oh, Alexei, if I ... I could have sentenced the Queen of England .... a long time ago there would have been no Queen of England, even though the old woman is not particularly at the helm bully

                And at the expense of Serdyuk and "faithful companions", I don't even want to raise this topic. As I already noted in one of the first articles on stooltkin, everything is not as simple as it seems.
                Take the same story with Pavel that we touched on in the conversation: who at that time knew that foreign agents were behind such a high-profile murder? After so many years now, it has begun to become more or less clear for ordinary people.

                So logic works if and only if ALL facts are on hand.
                Maybe the example will not be correct, but if you take the geometry: a circle is such a figure with a radius, etc., and also a circle can be represented as an equilateral N-gon, where N is infinity. Those. there are no templates as it is right and just as everything cannot be perceived only in black or white.
                Everything is much more complicated!
        2. stroporez
          stroporez 19 November 2013 14: 18 New
          +2
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Well, then why did he have to make a noise at all in that case?
          ----- Schaub "electorate" e ... flags did not open ..... like a show for "cattle"
  2. Warrawar
    Warrawar 19 November 2013 09: 01 New
    +8
    Quote: Kibalchish
    How can Putin plant his friend? In addition, Serdyukov returned to his family, which means that he can throw a new position. Do not disappear to such a person!

    The investigator of the prosecutor's office reports to the president:
    - Vasilyeva pointed at Serdyukov, Serdyukov at Chubais, Chubais at Surkov, Surkov at Medvedev, Medvedev at ...
    “Enough,” Vladimir Vladimirovich interrupts. - And so it is already obvious that no one is to blame for anything ...
  3. Oleg14774
    Oleg14774 19 November 2013 18: 00 New
    0
    Quote: Kibalchish
    How can Putin plant his friend? In addition, Serdyukov returned to his family, which means that he can throw a new position. Do not disappear to such a person!

    Putin has a lot of opponents (whatever bad things would be said about him) and these opponents even use this heart for provocation and for setting people against V.V.P. You understand that there are certain agreements that cannot be violated, but the case of a heart in size with a general agreement and an egg is not worth it, so you may have to turn a blind eye to it.
    1. Botanologist
      Botanologist 19 November 2013 20: 58 New
      +1
      Quote: Oleg147741
      and a case with a heart in size with a general contract and an egg isn’t worth it,


      Well, since it’s not worth anything, it may not keep this rot in your bosom? In a serious game, serious cards are thrown onto the table, and for many it is violet who is the president’s friend and who is not. Maybe it’s time to raise the country with deeds, and not with PR?
  • Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 19 November 2013 06: 55 New
    +7
    Quote: Tarpon
    Myth or not, I don’t know, but if Serdyukov were imprisoned, then a lot of questions for Putin would be removed.

    The question is not Putin, but the investigation. The idea is that the president should not even interfere in the course of any investigation.
    1. Bigriver
      Bigriver 19 November 2013 11: 45 New
      +9
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      ... The question is not to Putin, but to the investigation. The president, in theory, should not even interfere in the course of any investigation.

      I agree! If we take it for granted that everything is decided by Putin, why the heck was he to raise such a wave with the stolen billions of rubles? "Stool", in this situation, would easily and smoothly move to another commanding chair to command, say, black men.
      There is some kind of hitch here that is not yet visible to the side eye request
      1. Basarev
        Basarev 19 November 2013 16: 53 New
        -1
        For me personally, everything is quite obvious - Serdyukov did not share the looted good with his people, or even appropriated the common fund. But this is not forgiven.
        1. alone
          alone 19 November 2013 19: 17 New
          0
          Quote: Basarev
          For me personally, everything is quite obvious - Serdyukov did not share the looted good with his people, or even appropriated the common fund. But this is not forgiven.


          they won’t give you the same amount! If someone snaps alone, then this one will either die in a plane crash, or die from cardiovascular problems !!
    2. silver_roman
      silver_roman 19 November 2013 17: 59 New
      +2
      Alexander, I spoke about the same in one of the first topics about the heart. zamusnuyut to the limit. interesting nevertheless, the mass factor plays a role among the inhabitants of the site!
  • maxvet
    maxvet 19 November 2013 20: 17 New
    0
    Quote: Tarpon
    Myth or not, I don’t know, but if Serdyukov were imprisoned, then a lot of questions for Putin would be removed.

    But didn’t you think that Serdyukov set for a very definite purpose-to click on the military-industrial complex in order to lower prices? And Serdyukov lost this war. Hence the purchase of foreign equipment (to show yours that they can be replaced), and all the dirt on Serdyukov (I think that on each major official can be digged no less) But this is my personal opinion
  • timer
    timer 19 November 2013 23: 39 New
    +4
    What the hell is crap, I want to contact the author of this stupid article, go outside, look around, and part of what is written in this article falls off by itself — prices go up for essential goods, housing services, education, etc. The author of this articles or, or writes an order! And who is to blame for this mess-liberalists and shit-democrats who built under the wino Yeltsin, and modernized by themselves with a putin SYSTEM OF AUTHORITY! This infection corrodes the body called Russia. The best way to cure us of this infection is to break this system ! There is no other way, no! Th collapse, stupor and turning in potreblyadskih chipped slaves!
  • alexng
    alexng 19 November 2013 06: 39 New
    +6
    Almost all Russophobes are involved in black mythology about Russia, moreover, nothing confirmed.
    1. baltika-18
      baltika-18 19 November 2013 09: 16 New
      +9
      Quote: alexneg
      Almost all Russophobes are involved in black mythology about Russia,

      Original message. Do you think that everyone who does not believe in such articles, but simply believes in their own eyes, are Russophobes and fans of black mythology?
      Well, this is basically your business, each has its own oddities.
      The article is minus. The reason is biased, because this is not an independent study. Edik Birov works under the patronage of the ISEPS Foundation, the foundation itself, which is led by Badovsky (a member of the public chamber), as well as members of the Edro party Orlova, Ryazansky. The Board of Trustees of the Foundation is headed Fedorov, who is a minister, his deputy is a State Duma deputy Lysakov.
      Moreover, the fund received a presidential grant. The guys just work out the money, that's why they scream at all angles, as everything is fine. Moreover, a number of bloggers also work for the fund (read on salary), which Edik apparently mentioned in the article.
      1. DEfindER
        DEfindER 19 November 2013 09: 46 New
        +2
        Quote: baltika-18
        The article is minus. The reason is biased, because this is not an independent study. Edik Birov works under the patronage of the ISEPS Foundation, the foundation itself, which is led by Badovsky (a member of the public chamber), as well as members of the Edro party

        Well, how can I say, I’d say from my inner circle (to relatives of my friends) that everything will converge, the majority really support Putin. At the expense of a critical assessment of their standard of living, this is indeed so, but people do not blame Putin for this, but the corrupt apparatus of officials created by the ebn, i.e. the system Putin is trying to change, but it’s not so simple .. (nevertheless, the difference between 2000 and 2013 is huge) In the states, Obama can’t change anything at all, even his honey reform still can’t cram, to say nothing , at least something is changing here ..
        1. baltika-18
          baltika-18 19 November 2013 10: 11 New
          +7
          Quote: DEfindER
          At the expense of a critical assessment of their standard of living, this is indeed so, but the people do not blame Putin for this, but the corrupt apparatus of officials created by the ebn, i.e. the system Putin is trying to change

          13 years have passed, and blame the "created ebn" apparatus of officials? It's funny ..... And where did you see in the state apparatus in Moscow, and in the places of officials of that time, there are only a few of them. The "new wave" is filling everywhere. us in the administration, for example, since 2000, almost all have changed.
          1. ivshubarin
            ivshubarin 19 November 2013 10: 31 New
            +1
            And we still have the same, some even before EBN "served" the fatherland
          2. DEfindER
            DEfindER 19 November 2013 10: 51 New
            +3
            Quote: baltika-18
            Thirteen years have passed, and blame the "created ebn" apparatus of officials? Ridiculous ..... And where did you see in the state apparatus in Moscow, and in the local government of that time, there are only a few of them.

            So I’m talking about the same thing, it’s really changing something, both people and the system, that's why they support Putin.
            Only the system has not even been changed by half, but much less, the new ones that come often turn out to be no better than the old liberal reformers, one bear is worth what ... Ehh, I’m afraid that the new 37th year can change the situation radically.
            1. baltika-18
              baltika-18 19 November 2013 11: 48 New
              +5
              Quote: DEfindER
              really change something, and people and the system

              The system is strange and people are changing, but the phenomena remain, and they are even made worse.
              Not so change? Or what?
              Quote: DEfindER
              those new ones that come often turn out to be no better than the old liberal reformers, one bear is worth something.

              Medvedev was a deputy for Putin back in the mayor's office of St. Petersburg under Sobchak in the 90s. He knows his GDP as flaky. Argument does not pass agree. request
              1. DEfindER
                DEfindER 19 November 2013 13: 57 New
                0
                Quote: baltika-18
                The system is strange and people are changing, but the phenomena remain, and they are even made worse.
                Not so change? Or what?

                Well, I don’t know why you don’t notice the changes, I personally notice from the beginning of Putin’s presidency in 2000. a lot has changed.
                Quote: baltika-18
                Medvedev was a deputy for Putin back in the mayor's office of St. Petersburg under Sobchak in the 90s. He knows his GDP as flaky. Argument does not pass agree.

                That's right, the GDP also allowed him to steer a little, and when he saw his helplessness, he took the reins of government into his hands as they say ..
                1. baltika-18
                  baltika-18 19 November 2013 15: 54 New
                  +2
                  Quote: DEfindER
                  Medvedev was a deputy for Putin back in the mayor's office of St. Petersburg under Sobchak in the 90s. He knows his GDP as flaky. Argument does not pass agree.
                  That's right, the GDP allowed him to steer a little, and seeing his helplessness, he took the reins of government back into his hands, as they say

                  The country, my dear, is not a car and not an experimental laboratory. The country is people. If you really think so (without fooling around), then I can only express deep regret about your intellectual abilities.
                  1. DEfindER
                    DEfindER 20 November 2013 09: 49 New
                    -1
                    Quote: baltika-18
                    The country, my dear, is not a car or an experimental laboratory. The country is people.

                    That's it, people, and the president is no exception, he is also prone to make mistakes. The fact that Putin then supported Medved is perhaps his only mistake ..
                2. Yarosvet
                  Yarosvet 19 November 2013 17: 57 New
                  +2
                  Quote: DEfindER
                  That's right, the GDP also allowed him to steer a little, and when he saw his helplessness, he took the reins of government into his hands as they say ..
            2. Basarev
              Basarev 19 November 2013 16: 56 New
              +1
              Meanwhile, the forerunner of 37 became 17. Let's repeat the feat of our great-grandfathers, and let Peter the Great become the new Aurora!
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 19 November 2013 16: 58 New
                +2
                Quote: Basarev
                Meanwhile, the forerunner of 37 became 17. Let's repeat the feat of our great-grandfathers

                In Europe, arrange a revolution and take a bulk!
              2. ivshubarin
                ivshubarin 19 November 2013 17: 01 New
                +1
                And after 17 came 18 Civil War
              3. Onyx
                Onyx 19 November 2013 17: 18 New
                0
                Quote: Basarev
                Meanwhile, the forerunner of 37 became 17. Let's repeat the feat of our great-grandfathers, and let Peter the Great become the new Aurora!

                For such calls for 10 years to plant does not interfere
                1. Basarev
                  Basarev 19 November 2013 19: 42 New
                  0
                  Dude, don’t boil. With my statement, I just wanted to make a fool of all-out fussers, making their thought absurd.
          3. Babon
            Babon 19 November 2013 12: 25 New
            +1
            I agree, here I am talking with the guys after the university, who has gone further, and so in Moscow after Luzhkov’s removal, almost all of the leading positions were replaced, starting from the security agencies, ending with Moscomsport, the head of the metro. Where are the Aksyonenki in the government? They took off, forgot about them for a long time.
        2. vjatsergey
          vjatsergey 19 November 2013 21: 27 New
          0
          And I, in my surroundings (relatives, friends), would say that nothing (except patriotism - no one has dual citizenship, accounts abroad, etc., etc.) converges.
      2. chehywed
        chehywed 19 November 2013 11: 59 New
        +2
        Quote: Author Eduard Birov
        It is clear that nothing can convince convinced "all-conspirators", and even more so the official data of "Rosstat" and VTsIOM - they say, Putin's henchmen work out their bread with caviar. This is all clear.

        Quote: baltika-18
        The article is minus. The reason is biased, because this is not an independent study. Edik Birov works under the patronage of the ISEPS Foundation, the foundation itself, which is led by Badovsky (a member of the public chamber), as well as members of the Edro party Orlova, Ryazansky. The Board of Trustees of the Foundation is headed Fedorov, who is a minister, his deputy is a State Duma deputy Lysakov.
        Moreover, the fund received a presidential grant. just work out the money, therefore, they scream at all angles, as everything is fine

        But really, as if looking into the water ... wink
        1. baltika-18
          baltika-18 19 November 2013 12: 34 New
          +5
          Quote: chehywed
          But indeed, he was looking into the water.

          The boy did not look into the water, but simply passed training.
          He used a standard psychological technique.
          Quote: chehywed
          It is clear that nothing can convince convinced "all-conspirators", let alone the official data of Rosstat and VTsIOM - they say that Putin's henchmen work out their bread with caviar

          This phrase is included in the preface to the main material, it is designed to convince the reader that Edik is telling the truth, believe it. If you do not believe you are a "all-propals" which they invented), or by default you are simply obliged to shout "Hurray" "Long live, VVP".
  • Valery Neonov
    Valery Neonov 19 November 2013 06: 42 New
    12
    hi RUSSIA CAN'T DO NOT SURPRISE, or rather, THE RUSSIAN PEOPLE.All other peoples can only envy; and angry at the insurmountability of the faith of the Russians that we are invincible! soldier hi
    1. Samy
      Samy 19 November 2013 08: 34 New
      +1
      Hooray. Hooray. Hooray.
  • Same lech
    Same lech 19 November 2013 06: 42 New
    15
    You know, over 20 years of communication with the media, I have developed a stable immunity to their articles, surveys, interviews and other tools of their profession, a persistent distrust.
    I always try to take information from different sources - even if it will be the last homeless person from the gateway and draw conclusions only based on the results of their work.
    The liberal media to a greater extent lies and tailor the facts to their desires.
    Any street videos thrown by ordinary citizens of RUSSIA and foreigners, such as from Syria, are very useful for a correct perception of life.
  • makarov
    makarov 19 November 2013 06: 48 New
    +5
    I share the views of the author in the main direction of the above. Indeed, there is a systematic approach and the consolidation of certain institutions to influence the masses.

    P.S. But about the bears, vodka, and the balalaika of which they are silent.
  • ivshubarin
    ivshubarin 19 November 2013 06: 48 New
    10
    The myth of Russian laziness is the same as the industriousness of the Japanese, Chinese, and Germans. He worked with them and they are far from us and they have no savvy
    1. corn
      corn 19 November 2013 10: 34 New
      +3
      "He works to death, drinks to death." N.A. Nekrasov
  • moskal68
    moskal68 19 November 2013 06: 49 New
    +3

    REALLY: Russians are most proud of the history of their country (85%), Russian sports (77%), culture and art (75%). The object of pride of more than half of the respondents is the military power of the country and Russian science, with every second proud of Russia's position in the international arena. But the standard of living, by contrast, tend to evaluate more critically.

    When there is nothing more to be proud of, they begin to be proud of history. About sports in general is ridiculous. Military power, science ... The author smokes good grass. I envy kindly.
    1. avant-garde
      avant-garde 19 November 2013 06: 59 New
      +7
      Quote: 68
      When there is nothing more to be proud of, they begin to be proud of history. About sports in general is ridiculous. Military power, science ... The author smokes good grass. I envy kindly.

      ___
      what can Russia not be proud of now ??? And only that Power that does not have it is not proud of history!
      1. ivshubarin
        ivshubarin 19 November 2013 07: 09 New
        10
        It would be foolish not to be proud of the history of Russia
      2. moskal68
        moskal68 19 November 2013 07: 28 New
        +2
        Quote: avant-garde
        Quote: 68
        When there is nothing more to be proud of, they begin to be proud of history. About sports in general is ridiculous. Military power, science ... The author smokes good grass. I envy kindly.

        ___
        what can Russia not be proud of now ??? And only that Power that does not have it is not proud of history!
        Give me at least three reasons for pride. Just for real. And not history, but modernity. Then I admit that I am wrong.
        1. alexng
          alexng 19 November 2013 08: 06 New
          +3
          Today, Russia is the fifth economy in the world and this is already a fait accompli. Is this not enough for you? Not to mention the rest. The speculation of Russophobes themselves will not bring them to good, only a direct path into the abyss. For the philosophers, bile was so blinded by their eyes that they did not notice that the world had already changed beyond recognition.
          1. alexng
            alexng 19 November 2013 16: 17 New
            +3
            I didn’t expect that there would be so many Russophobes and “fucked up all the polymers” on the Voennoye Obozreniye forum.
            1. Onyx
              Onyx 19 November 2013 17: 22 New
              -1
              Quote: alexneg
              I didn’t expect that there would be so many Russophobes and “fucked up all the polymers” on the Voennoye Obozreniye forum.

              In general, of course, the name of this site does not match its content. More political and social topics than military ones. This is bad
              1. Basarev
                Basarev 19 November 2013 19: 45 New
                +1
                There is another similar article: http: //www.inosmi.ru/social/20091228/157267251.html
            2. baltika-18
              baltika-18 19 November 2013 18: 33 New
              +3
              Quote: alexneg
              I didn’t expect that there would be so many Russophobes and “fucked up all the polymers” on the Voennoye Obozreniye forum.

              Wouldn't you, Alexander Ivanovich, be so kind to explain to me what the word "prospolivsepolymers" means.
              I was able to decipher only two words "fucked up" and "all", there is some meaning, but I just can't understand what the word "polymers" has to do with it. Because "polymers" are actually macromolecules of substances consisting of certain "monomeric" links connected by chemical bonds. There is no other meaning of the word "polymers". It turns out in translation into the common language the expression "fucked up all macromolecules or a substance."
              The Russian language should be used more carefully by the inventors of such terms.
              Or maybe I don’t know some new trends in Russian?
              I would like to hear your version of decryption.
              1. alexng
                alexng 20 November 2013 16: 34 New
                +1
                It's just that in the internet they call "hryu_nytikov" - the antipode of "urapatriots".
        2. paul33
          paul33 20 November 2013 09: 15 New
          +2
          how can there be nothing to be proud of, by the number of billionaires already in the first three, by the level of a living wage, they are also ahead of others only from the end there and by the size of pensions, you can list for a long time.
    2. moskal68
      moskal68 19 November 2013 07: 25 New
      13
      You can at least get out of hand. My son returned from the army a year ago, and I have an idea of ​​her not from television broadcasts, but from first hand, so to speak. Sport has long been a business, not a sport in the true sense, a science. Well, maybe someone is proud, but not me. I see no reason. You still talk about agriculture and the auto industry.))) Science ... Our Olympic torch proves that we have problems with technology.
      1. 528Obrp
        528Obrp 19 November 2013 07: 39 New
        0
        Quote: 68
        Give me at least three reasons for pride. Just for real. And not history, but modernity. Then I admit that I am wrong.

        Recognize! 10 with a little years and the first in Europe!
        World Bank for hamsters:
        http://data.worldbank.org/data-catalog/GDP-PPP-based-table
        and if you are too lazy to look, then right by the nose: http://databank.worldbank.org/data/download/GDP_PPP.pdf
        1. atalef
          atalef 19 November 2013 14: 27 New
          +5
          Recognize! 10 with a little years and the first in Europe

          There is nothing to admit, since absolute numbers are not accepted for calculations, there are indicators like per capita income, average life expectancy, defense spending (per person) and health care.
          Everything else - nonsense and fairy tales, the first, second, fifth, monaco in terms of GDP (absolute figures) - in one of the last places in Europe, per capita - ahead of everyone - now the question is - what indicator is better to determine the standard of living?
          1. yur
            yur 19 November 2013 23: 34 New
            0
            Well, not by the number of sausage loaves per capita ...
      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 19 November 2013 08: 19 New
        0
        Quote: 68
        My son returned from the army a year ago, and I have no idea of ​​her from television broadcasts,

        Where did you serve?
        1. alexng
          alexng 19 November 2013 12: 00 New
          -3
          In the army non-stop. bully
      3. seller trucks
        19 November 2013 10: 02 New
        +1
        Quote: 68
        You still talk about agriculture and the auto industry.)))


        what do you need to say about the auto industry? Let's say that Russia became the first market in Europe in terms of sales, then in 2012, the Russian Federation produced 2500000 million. cars, what else to say, in Russia all the leading brands of automakers have localized the assembly of their cars, moreover, I'm not talking about the localization of the assembly of components for cars, these are dozens if not hundreds of enterprises and I do not see anything shameful in this because there are leading manufacturers such as ZF, Cammens, Volvo. And you do not know that near Kaliningrad Avtotor has laid an auto cluster of more than 20 factories, and for this business there is also a "village" for 50 tons. 120 produced about 140 units. passenger vehicles, and some factories are packed with orders for years to come. Have questions? Oh yes AvtoVAZ and everything is fine with him Grant, Kalina 2012, in 17 we are waiting for Priora 000.
        1. baltika-18
          baltika-18 19 November 2013 10: 34 New
          +9
          Quote: seller trucks
          , in Russia localized assembly assembly of their cars all the leading brands of automakers

          You are missing one very important factor from consideration. Assembly from components supplied from other countries. Why is it dangerous? Delivery stops, assembly sites stand up, that is, complete dependence in this matter. All components are divided into categories, there are three of them. Since cars are assembled we are intended mainly for our domestic market, components are of 2 and 3 categories. This is the answer to the question why Renault Logan turns into a “thundering bucket” after six months of driving. The quality of the assembly has nothing to do with it, it's about the components. only on another car brand. The phenomenon of pulling threaded connections, in view of the use by the manufacturer of metal of a lower quality.
          This system has been practiced by Western concerns for about 20 years for the countries of the "third world".
          1. seller trucks
            19 November 2013 10: 55 New
            +2
            Quote: baltika-18
            You overlook one very important factor. Assembling from components supplied from other countries. Why is this dangerous?


            I don’t miss anything, this moment concerns exclusively military equipment and the reserve.

            why "Renault Logan", after six months of driving turns into a "rattling bucket".


            and the fact that Logan is a bucket, so he is worth it, by the way, he is far from a sales leader. For example, volvo trucks, has a total of 2 plants, one of them in Kaluga.
            1. ivshubarin
              ivshubarin 19 November 2013 11: 07 New
              +4
              Volvo is a transnational corporation with a center in Sweden, but has factories in Brazil, Australia, the USA, the Netherlands, France, China, etc. In Russia, it produces trucks and excavators in Kaluga.
              1. seller trucks
                19 November 2013 11: 17 New
                +1
                Quote: ivshubarin
                In Russia in Kaluga produces trucks and excavators


                I wrote Volvo trucks in Russian - these are trucks, note. in addition, their owners are different
                In the 1999, Volvo Personvagnar, a passenger car division, was sold to Ford. In 2010, the division was resold to Geely.


                we will not interfere all in one heap, frets, and passenger Volvo - Chinese
                1. ivshubarin
                  ivshubarin 19 November 2013 11: 19 New
                  +2
                  I wrote about freight plants
                  1. seller trucks
                    19 November 2013 11: 31 New
                    0
                    Quote: ivshubarin
                    I wrote about freight plants


                    even if so what does it change?
                    1. ivshubarin
                      ivshubarin 19 November 2013 11: 35 New
                      +2
                      The fact that Russia's contribution to the production of the second in the world for the production of trucks of the Volvo Corporation is not big. But they promise to build a factory for welding cabs is really the most modern in the world
            2. baltika-18
              baltika-18 19 November 2013 11: 55 New
              +4
              Quote: seller trucks
              and the fact that Logan is a bucket, so he stands, to

              From 400 to 500 thousand, depending on the configuration. This is almost a two-year official average salary. And if you take our average for the region, it’s generally four years old. Isn’t that so cheap. Or do you think that everything is less than a million, is it cheap?
              1. seller trucks
                19 November 2013 12: 19 New
                +1
                Quote: baltika-18
                From 400 to 500 thousands, depending on the configuration.


                according to the results of sales of 2012, Logan is far from the first place, or rather, 9, the same Solaris in the same price niche with the French, three Russian VAZ models are cheaper in the first five, but no one forces you to take it, take whatever you want.
          2. rexby63
            rexby63 19 November 2013 11: 54 New
            +2
            This system has been practiced by Western concerns for about 20 years for the countries of the "third world".


            Why only for the third? In the parking lot I park the car next to a man who has been driving cars from Europe for 20 years. According to him, all "Japanese women", regardless of the purchasing country, that left the assembly line after 95 are GUANO. He himself has a "Kruzak" 93rd year. He watches the car, when I was in front of him, they approached him, offered 1,5 million, he refused, motivated by the fact that he could not find such a car, at least dig up all of Europe.
            It is not in third countries or in the country of origin. If each person in his place does a quality thing, the existing model of the economy will be covered by the female reproductive organ almost instantly.
            1. ivshubarin
              ivshubarin 19 November 2013 12: 01 New
              +2
              A good excuse from a man, I have a Japanese woman of 98 years and apart from consumables I haven’t changed anything, but we have 99.9% of Japanese women
            2. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 19 November 2013 12: 06 New
              +1
              Quote: rexby63
              According to him, all "Japanese women", regardless of the purchasing country, left the assembly line after 95 - GUANO

              Nude nude laughing
              Quote: rexby63
              He himself has a "Kruzak" 93rd year. He follows the car, they approached him in front of me, offered 1,5 million

              Give URGENTLY the phone of those who wanted to buy the 93 cruiser for 1,5 lima, such suckers are rare. I even thought they weren’t anymore.
              1. seller trucks
                19 November 2013 12: 36 New
                +2
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Give URGENTLY the phone of those who wanted to buy the 93 cruiser for 1,5 lima, such suckers are rare. I even thought they weren’t anymore.


                thanks for stopping by: the AUTHOR 141 offer for the year average price 500-600 thousand

                http://cars.auto.ru/cars/used/toyota/80/?_p=2
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 19 November 2013 12: 41 New
                  +1
                  Quote: seller trucks
                  thanks for bothering

                  Yes, I need a buyer (LOX), which Cruiser for 1.5 lima wanted to take. Lemon of bread at a time wassat
                  1. rexby63
                    rexby63 19 November 2013 18: 40 New
                    0
                    Yes, I need a buyer (sucker)


                    Oh well. Even in context, it doesn't look particularly nice. It smells, and not rose petals.
              2. atalef
                atalef 19 November 2013 14: 39 New
                +1
                Nude nude

                Of course, Sanya is more authoritative in these matters, I’ll tell you, my Mazda 3 since 2008 (took a new one) in general, no problems for 5 years, once a year change the oil and filters in the garage, that's all
                My wife (I change her every 3 years for a new one, Suzuki baleno, Liana, sx4 - 2 times, now the sx4 crossover) - there was never any problem at all, even the battery didn’t change) Every time I sold it, it turned on to the computer. diagnostics - 100% serviceable always came out, there was nothing to dig into (to the buyer), therefore, to say that cars are rubbish tales
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          3. atalef
            atalef 19 November 2013 14: 32 New
            +5
            You overlook one very important factor. Assembling from components supplied from other countries. Why is this dangerous?

            Because this is China number two. What we’ll put together and assemble our car industry ~ you can forget, don’t miss such a thing as importing spare parts (in terms of customs duties) is much cheaper than a ready-made car (I certainly don’t say that factories in Russia are bad, of course there are no workers hands, salaries, families) only it's not your own and the money will go where? Right again west
            And
            which system has been practiced by Western concerns for about 20 years for the countries of the "third world"

            So what are the achievements?
            1. ivshubarin
              ivshubarin 19 November 2013 14: 39 New
              0
              First they will pay taxes in Russia and give jobs
              1. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 19 November 2013 16: 02 New
                +2
                Quote: ivshubarin
                First they will pay taxes in Russia and give jobs

                Remains from the master's table. It’s better to have your own little family than a removable three-ruble note.
              2. Walker1975
                Walker1975 19 November 2013 16: 10 New
                +2
                Part of the taxes will go to offshore, and salaries will go to much of the purchase of imports, from which taxes are taken abroad.
                1. seller trucks
                  19 November 2013 16: 50 New
                  -2
                  Quote: Walker1975
                  Part of the taxes will go to offshore, and salaries will go to much of the purchase of imports, from which taxes are taken abroad.


                  belay I have never seen Ukrainians so worried about Russia. look at your rogue, in Russia every third mayor of the city sits, about officials and a middle-aged grievous warrior, generally I am silent, they put hundreds in prison, up to the commanders of the military district, the number of people convicted in 2012 in 7000, and at least ten were sentenced to Ukraine ?
                  1. Walker1975
                    Walker1975 19 November 2013 17: 50 New
                    +1
                    Yes, we have our own crook in bulk ... I would have sent reptiles ... Here, the President, for example, passed on a Russian recommendation ... Can you take it back?
                    1. seller trucks
                      19 November 2013 17: 58 New
                      0
                      Quote: Walker1975
                      Here, the President, for example, passed on a Russian recommendation ... Maybe you can take it back?


                      aha came terrible Putin and voted for all Ukrainians laughing in garlic, ento you Schuster and Kiselev pissed in your ears?
                      1. Walker1975
                        Walker1975 19 November 2013 19: 17 New
                        +1
                        And where is Schuster? I stopped loving him at all. But I don’t remember the Russian broadcasts of the election time? Almost no one criticized Yanukovych. Or do you think I forgot how leaflets were handed out in the Lavra (which is in the system of the Moscow Patriarchate) - vote for Yanukovych? Yes, there was much more ... and Russian politicians came to Crimea and the east and advised Yanukovych to vote and Russian observers point blank did not see any violations ...
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            3. seller trucks
              19 November 2013 15: 34 New
              +1
              Because this is China number two. What will put, from that and collect your car industry ~ you can forget


              do not talk nonsense, you won’t be able to do everything in your own country, especially if there weren’t such production facilities at all, there are a great many examples: ZF gearbox, incl. automatic, Wabco brake system, Bosch fuel equipment, MONROE shock absorbers, BPW axles, Webasto, Eberspacher, TC, Carrier peripherals, everything can be produced under license, it’s cheaper and easier. Developing a new one is expensive and not always promising, why bother with a bicycle? Most car makers go this way. I know only one car entirely from domestic components Finnish Sisu, it was true back in the 50 of the last century, KamAZ was striving for this, it did not grow together, but under license they assemble Cammins and ZF in their factory.


              I certainly do not say that factories in Russia are bad, of course there are no hands, salaries, families), but this is not your own and the money will go where? Right again west
              And


              I'll tell you a terrible secret, this is called long-term investment
              1. ivshubarin
                ivshubarin 19 November 2013 15: 47 New
                0
                Cummins is a very good diesel, and ZF boxes are installed on almost all trucks
        2. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 19 November 2013 15: 53 New
          +5
          Quote: seller trucks
          Oh yes AvtoVAZ and with him all is well Grant, Kalina 2, in 2015 we are waiting for Prior 2.

          Greetings from Tolyatti. hi A controlling stake was sold to the French. Having previously put the plant on the brink of bankruptcy, artificially reducing sales. I will explain, dealers have cars, there is no TCP. Ie there is demand, but there is no way to buy. Title prints Gosznak. There is obvious sabotage by government agencies. This despite the fact that Putin came to Togliatti twice on the eve of the sale of a controlling stake. And Kalina personally PR. Accidentally?
          1. seller trucks
            19 November 2013 16: 23 New
            +2
            And hello to you, I’m not a big expert in AvtoVAZ carpet games and I have a relationship to the passenger business only as a car user. I can only say that in our office two people in October became the owners of the Kalina 2 in the Suite, not a deadline, final, but satisfied to the point, the price of the issue is 400 thousand
          2. ivshubarin
            ivshubarin 19 November 2013 16: 25 New
            +1
            Renault-Nissan has long been at AvtoVAZ, having losses at their plants, they made a profit by subsidies of Russia to AvtoVAZ
            1. seller trucks
              19 November 2013 16: 43 New
              0
              (+) I also think so, but the Americans, with Ford, it seems that in Vsevolozhsk they have already received a permanent residence permit, in the states they don’t have a fountain and in general it would not be profitable to lure them here, Ukraine is closer to Europe and getting closer to Asia, Middle East at hand, the climate is softer, metal mopped up, the EU is almost, and sho? one stupid person drives another, like, we will save Europe from the crisis, just give money.
              1. ivshubarin
                ivshubarin 19 November 2013 17: 03 New
                +1
                Ford through Sollers also gets
                1. seller trucks
                  19 November 2013 17: 27 New
                  0
                  then they collect Turkish in Yelabug, then they make minibuses in Nizhny, there are also Ford Cargo - a cargo, purely Turkish car, they even have different logos, so as not to disgrace the brand, at one time he was in the cabin, I want to note rare rubbish, although ATZ and garbage trucks found their niche
            2. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 19 November 2013 18: 40 New
              +4
              Quote: ivshubarin
              they made profits with Russian subsidies to AvtoVAZ

              And them too. Shortly before the sale, AvtoVAZ bought Renault Logan platform for largus on state subsidies. I don’t remember the amount of the transaction, but rather big. The meaning of this purchase before selling the same Renault? Anyway, the point is to sell shares of a profitable enterprise?
              P.S. The French are completing a scientific and technical base at the VAZ, will collect Almeria. Grant and Prior are transferred to Izhevsk. GAZ has a similar situation. You cannot call the rise of production.
      4. rexby63
        rexby63 19 November 2013 11: 44 New
        +4
        Our Olympic torch proves that we have problems with technology.


        ??
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  • Ihrek
    Ihrek 19 November 2013 07: 02 New
    +2
    Quote: Tarpon
    Myth: "Russians no longer believe Putin"

    Myth or not, I don’t know, but if Serdyukov were imprisoned, then a lot of questions for Putin would be removed.

    He knows perfectly well about this, but does nothing. Looks strongly tied to each other.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 19 November 2013 07: 21 New
      +4
      Quote: Jamal
      Mr. knows perfectly about it, but does nothing.

      He doesn’t interfere in criminal matters at all, and even if he considers publicly speaking that the investigation is driving and blunting, the headmaster took off one term. It's the same thing, so don’t hope that Putin will call someone and order him to put Serdyukov or whom or else. He will not do this, even to the detriment of his rating.
      1. Same lech
        Same lech 19 November 2013 07: 29 New
        +4
        This will be done not by him but by other people - not from our area smile
        I don’t believe that the state’s internal policy is going on its own;
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 19 November 2013 07: 55 New
          +9
          Quote: The same LYOKHA
          I don’t believe that the state’s internal policy is going on its own;

          The people of blood crave, there wouldn’t be the Oboronservis case, and couldn’t have happened if Putin was personally interested. It’s just that there wouldn’t be everything that the people would write now, whose bloodline they would like to enjoy. Are we removing Putin now, what is changing? We will sit and scratch our turnips, and what's next, tomorrow. The list of candidates wishing to become presidents will be a meter and a half and everyone will promise to put Serdyukov-EVERYONE! But how many of these Serdyukov will be dragged into the Kremlin by the new president .... ???? And maybe not only to the Kremlin.
          1. Starina_hank
            Starina_hank 19 November 2013 20: 31 New
            +1
            There is nothing terrible:
            otruli as it should be, a new team came of all the old who deserved to be in prison, and so on in a circle until he was vicious interrupted.
      2. ivshubarin
        ivshubarin 19 November 2013 07: 34 New
        -5
        Putin only knows what was reported to him. And I think they don't report everything or decorate. "All is well, lovely marquis ..."
        1. Starina_hank
          Starina_hank 19 November 2013 20: 33 New
          0
          Do not know or do not want to know? Two big differences.
      3. baltika-18
        baltika-18 19 November 2013 11: 35 New
        +4
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        He does not interfere in criminal matters

        Listen to Putin’s fans, because he doesn’t interfere in anything, doesn’t answer for anything, he knows everything, does nothing wrong, he just looks and waits in the wings, and everyone believes him.
        Sound familiar? what
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 19 November 2013 11: 59 New
          +4
          Quote: baltika-18

          Listen to Putin fans

          Keep worshiping, well, who do you worship Zyuganov or Prokhorov there, I don’t remember
          1. baltika-18
            baltika-18 19 November 2013 12: 15 New
            +5
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Keep worshiping, well, who do you worship Zyuganov or Prokhorov there, I don’t remember

            Sclerotic phenomena are typical for fans of the current power vertical.
            I am a fan of the socialist socio-economic formation. hi
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 19 November 2013 12: 16 New
              +1
              Quote: baltika-18
              I am a fan of the socialist socio-economic formation

              Anarchist or something laughing
              1. baltika-18
                baltika-18 19 November 2013 12: 42 New
                +5
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Anarchist or something

                In addition to the bible, Alexander, it is sometimes useful to read other books that give the concept of socio-economic formation and the concept of what the socialist mode of production is. But it all depends on the person, and if someone is more attracted to stories from Jewish mythology, then that's that. crying
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 19 November 2013 12: 44 New
                  -1
                  Quote: baltika-18
                  Besides the bible, Alexander, it’s sometimes useful to read other books,

                  Read your Playboys yourself! In general, this is not a book, but a magazine tongue
                  1. baltika-18
                    baltika-18 19 November 2013 13: 58 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    Read your Playboys yourself

                    Interested in Playboy? laughing
                    Ah, playful ... lol
  • Soldier
    Soldier 19 November 2013 07: 21 New
    15
    In the picture I saw, among the achievements, the badge of the Sochi 2014 Olympics. In this regard, the question? Guys, is anyone here here RAD sincerely for this event? The Olympics-80 was a holiday, people were waiting and preparing for it. And Sochi 2014, such the feeling that, in addition to irritation, it does not cause anything. And irritation in one; HOW MUCH dough was allowed to steal with impunity ... What will be the opinion?
    1. wasjasibirjac
      wasjasibirjac 19 November 2013 07: 38 New
      13
      Quote: Armeec
      .And irritation in one; how much dough was allowed to steal with impunity ... What will be the opinion?

      that they "mastered" a good chunk of the state budget for the construction of sports facilities is not even discussed. now, probably, we will wait for a new Oboronservice - Sochisportstroy, there they will also tell us how much budget different types have "drank" into their pockets. then a year later, the investigation will not find the guilty, and all the bruliks and pictures will be declared mass hallucinations.
    2. ivshubarin
      ivshubarin 19 November 2013 07: 38 New
      +3
      Olympics okay, but the torch fuss is annoying
    3. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 19 November 2013 07: 59 New
      +4
      Quote: Armeec
      ; MUCH dough allowed to steal with impunity ... What will be the opinion?

      There was theft even in the 80s, but they didn’t tell us anything. There was an attempt by Andropov to put things in order, but he didn’t have time. And honestly, when I read your post, I don’t believe you. It’s just because you and everyone else will be ill for ours sitting either in Sochi or in front of the box and write in our comments what medals we took and all that. And so it will !!!!!!!!
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    4. Walker1975
      Walker1975 19 November 2013 16: 12 New
      +6
      And opinions that for Russians 600 thousand apartments and a network of new clinics in the country would be much more useful than the Olympics + summit
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 19 November 2013 16: 22 New
        +5
        Quote: Walker1975
        And opinions that for Russians 600 thousand apartments and a network of new clinics in the country would be much more useful than the Olympics + summit

        Ah, why Ukraine needed the Football Championship, maybe you really had more money to save money. As for us, let us have enough money for another ten Olympics and also enough for hospitals. And for the fleet we will pay Ukraine on time and salaries to our hard workers delay hi
        1. kaper
          kaper 19 November 2013 17: 04 New
          -4
          So after all, no one doubts that there is money in Russia, and where it comes from is already a question. Although everyone knows the answer, but they are silent, because they cannot be proud of it. By the way, the "poor" Ukraine and the presence of this money had a hand in it. According to Azarov , not mine, - "Ukraine has overpaid for Russian gas about 20 billion dollars over the past three years." And from the fact that such money will be longer, then the question is, the prices for hydrocarbon raw materials, according to the forecast, will fall. All shale revolutions do not allow them to rise. And even with the stabilization of prices for this raw material, the Russian economy has problems. So do not screw up on the account of the future. Although I am for the fact that you would have money and only you.
        2. Walker1975
          Walker1975 19 November 2013 17: 53 New
          0
          Yes. In Ukraine, they also saw a lot of money for Euro 2012. And it would be better if this money was used to upgrade the infrastructure. And so ... there was an unnecessary billion who left for Boryspil airport - now a huge hall doesn’t need anyone (there aren’t so many passengers there), and shops in the Kharkov metro for the price of 2 leather sofas.
    5. baltika-18
      baltika-18 19 November 2013 17: 36 New
      +4
      Quote: Armeec
      In the picture I saw, among the achievements, the badge of the Sochi 2014 Olympics. In connection with this, the question? Guys, are any of those present here FROM sincerely to this event?

      I can answer. I personally don’t feel much joy. All the current action reminds me of a “feast during the plague.” I might have taken it positively, but I immediately found the location of the Olympiad very suspicious. Winter Olympics in humid subtropics, where the average temperature is in February month +9 during the day and plus 2 at night. Why was it impossible to spend somewhere in Siberia or in Karelia?
      And on top of that, multi-billion dollar thefts.
      And the last point in the negative put the stories of the son-in-law, after him after a trip to a construction site in Sochi.
    6. yur
      yur 19 November 2013 23: 58 New
      0
      I'm glad. Sincerely. Because "not by bread alone."
  • Kiliny
    Kiliny 19 November 2013 07: 22 New
    +2
    I approve the initiative at 100%.
  • Galinanp
    Galinanp 19 November 2013 07: 25 New
    +7
    As for Putin, time will put everything in its place, and in the near future.
    b68 Today, 06:49
    When there is nothing more to be proud of, they begin to be proud of history.

    Without a historical memory, a people is simply a rabble, which is not only in a historical perspective, but at the very moment when this memory is lost it simply disappears. And about the Chernukha in the media, and not only that which is being intensively squeezed into the minds of Russians, the Judas are working out their silver coins, the demise of which is well known.
    1. 528Obrp
      528Obrp 19 November 2013 07: 53 New
      +8
      Quote: GalinaNP
      Without a historical memory, a people is simply a rabble, which is not only in a historical perspective, but at the very moment when this memory is lost it simply disappears.

      1000000000
      If you want to make the people a slave, kill the culture and erase the historical memory. Everything is very simple and without blood.
  • moskal68
    moskal68 19 November 2013 07: 27 New
    +3
    Quote: ivshubarin
    It would be foolish not to be proud of the history of Russia
    I would prefer to have a reason for pride in modern history, rather than the gatherings of the past.
    1. Yuri Y.
      Yuri Y. 19 November 2013 07: 55 New
      0
      In my opinion you will never have a reason. It seems that this is still a state of mind, a certain self-satisfaction, that you are, that you are (well, there is nationality, etc., etc.). How do we say? There would be a desire, but there is a reason laughing , although everyone knows that the world is not perfect.
    2. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 19 November 2013 08: 05 New
      17
      That's it ! I am proud of my father-winner of fascism. I am proud of the people who launched the first man into space, proud of the science and technology created by the SOVIET people!
      I am proud of Magomayev and Obraztsova, Ulanova, Korolev and Kalashnikov!
      But I am not proud of Deripaska and Abramovich, houses-2, beast and others and others.
      I remain with this hi
      1. JonnyT
        JonnyT 19 November 2013 13: 50 New
        +5
        I am proud of the people who launched the first man into space

        The bourgeois think differently ..... the liars are completely insolent ... all the liberal shit on our country is pouring on their part, ardent followers of Goebbels
  • Troy
    Troy 19 November 2013 07: 28 New
    12
    Quote: ivshubarin
    The myth of Russian laziness is the same as the industriousness of the Japanese, Chinese, and Germans. He worked with them and they are far from us and they have no savvy

    I completely agree. He worked with the Germans in the field. There was a force majeure not prescribed in the instructions and the Germans fell into a stupor, and Russian Vanya with the help of a couple of crowbars, two cables and a tractor fixed everything. Just like in a joke, but it's a fact and you can’t call them hardworking, I haven’t seen such stupid idlers.
  • George
    George 19 November 2013 07: 33 New
    10
    Somehow unconvincing in a nutshell - We are getting better and better every day!
    When every second against Islam is more than every fifth, who is behind?
    The vast majority of respondents (69%) say that they prefer to buy domestic products. Only 1% of respondents prefer products of foreign manufacturers.

    The rest of 30 do not buy any products at all.
    And besides, it turns out I belong to those 84% that do not monitor oil. That's joy.
    Just Mythbusters wrote an article. Everything fell into place. IMHO.
  • moskal68
    moskal68 19 November 2013 07: 38 New
    +3
    Quote: GalinaNP
    As for Putin, time will put everything in its place, and in the near future.
    b68 Today, 06:49
    When there is nothing more to be proud of, they begin to be proud of history.

    Without a historical memory, a people is simply a rabble, which is not only in a historical perspective, but at the very moment when this memory is lost it simply disappears. And about the Chernukha in the media, and not only that which is being intensively squeezed into the minds of Russians, the Judas are working out their silver coins, the demise of which is well known.
    That is, is everything wonderful with us? Hmm ... But the men don’t know ...
    1. avant-garde
      avant-garde 19 November 2013 07: 44 New
      +6
      Quote: 68
      That is, is everything wonderful with us? Hmm ... But the men don’t know ...

      Well, since you have the Internet, it means I’m not living badly! Otherwise, you would have given 500 rubles for bread. So what are you complaining about ???
      1. corn
        corn 19 November 2013 10: 42 New
        +1
        I can without necessary, I can not without too much
        1. ivshubarin
          ivshubarin 19 November 2013 11: 01 New
          +1
          We have given a lot of money to victims of the flood, but only a few began to repair houses or buy new ones. The rest scored cool phones, iPhones, mink coats, cars. A year later, the houses will rot, they will yell that their power has deceived
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  • moskal68
    moskal68 19 November 2013 07: 45 New
    -5
    Quote: 528Obrp
    Quote: 68
    Give me at least three reasons for pride. Just for real. And not history, but modernity. Then I admit that I am wrong.

    Recognize! 10 with a little years and the first in Europe!
    World Bank for hamsters:
    http://data.worldbank.org/data-catalog/GDP-PPP-based-table
    and if you are too lazy to look, then right by the nose: http://databank.worldbank.org/data/download/GDP_PPP.pdf
    Links are some curves. first in what? In a nutshell if.
    1. 528Obrp
      528Obrp 19 November 2013 07: 59 New
      +3
      Links are not curves - 100%. You have a sharpened browser for the hamster. Economy. Gross Domestic Product (PPP) Go to the World Bank website.
      1. alexng
        alexng 19 November 2013 08: 22 New
        -1
        Quote: 528Obrp
        Links are not curves - 100%. You have a sharpened browser for the hamster. Economy. Gross Domestic Product (PPP) Go to the World Bank website.


        He doesn’t need it. He’s a troll, cheap, fulfills ... and you shouldn’t even get into an argument with him. It is useless to convince the troll of something. The troll is a diagnosis.
        1. 528Obrp
          528Obrp 19 November 2013 08: 27 New
          +2
          Quote: alexneg
          He doesn’t need it. He’s a troll, cheap, fulfills ... and you shouldn’t even get into an argument with him. It is useless to convince the troll of something. The troll is a diagnosis.


          So this is not for him. For "Sympathizers"
          laughing
      2. Russ69
        Russ69 19 November 2013 10: 14 New
        +2
        Quote: 528Obrp
        Links are not curves - 100%. You have a sharpened browser for the hamster. E

        Now, if there was a link to the post of Navalny, it was accepted immediately, as the truth of a higher authority .... smile
      3. corn
        corn 19 November 2013 10: 41 New
        +3
        in Russian PPP purchasing power parity.
        Let's be honest to the end: per capita, in the top ten.
        1. 528Obrp
          528Obrp 19 November 2013 11: 16 New
          0
          Quote: corn
          Let's be honest to the end: per capita, in the top ten.

          Let's. 10 ten years ago were on what? Now 36 in my opinion.
          www.bbc.co.uk/russian/multimedia/2012/04/120403_world_average_salary.shtml

          calculate your own PPP. Take your pre tax income and go!

          PS
          I specifically do not take about government sources. A careful study of such things as documents of the World Bank, a book of facts (by the way the CIA) and the like can plunge many amateur hamsters into a stupor.
  • mak210
    mak210 19 November 2013 07: 50 New
    11
    Oh, killed. It can be seen that the pros took up the affairs, the hand of the former workers of the Komsomol Central Committee is felt.

    "Russia doesn't have its own food" or "Imported food is better than local.

    In fact: the vast majority of respondents (69%) say that they prefer to buy domestic products.


    Beautifully distorted. We can prefer, I myself am so, only can we buy? It can be seen therefore the price of eggs and potatoes so flew away and, it seems, these are only the first swallows, something will happen in the spring. It's time to buy millet.

    Livestock production is growing steadily.

    The livestock is somewhere around the level of the 30s. Seen from this level and dance. To make sure of this, it’s enough to drive away from Moscow along any highway: everywhere the destroyed farms without roofs and fields with birches, just like the war went on.

    The number of organizations performing research and development related to nanotechnology has been growing since 2008.

    This is generally a class. Quote: "The Accounts Chamber also noted that 35,3% of the total investment - 47 billion rubles, Rusnano directed to finance foreign projects, but there are no documents confirming the effectiveness of investments. According to Agaptsov, the Accounts Chamber did not conduct a continuous audit by Rusnano, 21 projects were selectively checked, so there is no total amount of ineffective expenses. " "at the end of 2012. The state company showed a net loss under RAS in the amount of 24,4 billion rubles, of which the real loss amounted to 2,5 billion rubles, and for the remaining amount - 21,8 billion rubles - the state company formed a reserve for possible losses from unsuccessful projects. " "The largest unsuccessful project is a polycrystalline silicon plant in Usolye-Sibirskoye, owned by Nitol. The joint investment of Rusnano and its partners in it amounted to about 14 billion rubles, but it did not reach its design capacity and is now in a pre-bankruptcy state. "

    Russians are most proud of the history of their country (85%), Russian sports (77%), culture and art (75%).

    We do not plow, do not sow, do not build,
    We are proud of the social system.
  • moskal68
    moskal68 19 November 2013 07: 50 New
    +1
    Quote: avant-garde
    Quote: 68
    That is, is everything wonderful with us? Hmm ... But the men don’t know ...

    Well, since you have the Internet, it means I’m not living badly! Otherwise, you would have given 500 rubles for bread. So what are you complaining about ???
    Eva! Well, if you measure such criteria, then yes, everything is wonderful in our country.)))
    1. avant-garde
      avant-garde 19 November 2013 07: 57 New
      +1
      Quote: 68
      Eva! Well, if you measure such criteria, then yes, everything is wonderful in our country.)))

      In order to be completely clear, name the criteria how you see your well-being and the well-being of the country! Then we will look for what is bad in our country.
      1. mak210
        mak210 19 November 2013 08: 11 New
        +7
        The main criterion for the well-being of a country is the population when it grows, which means that everything in the nation is good and happy with everything, women are confident in their peasants and their ability to support their families. Only without these statistical gadgets, such as the number of women in childbirth, almost half of whom are visiting migrant workers (medical tourism).

        For example, this:
        Let's evaluate the history of states in a big way: states are needed so that people can live in them. By the beginning of the 11th century, 11 million people lived in the principalities of Germany, 15 in Italy, and 5,6 million in France. And by the end of the seventeenth century, XNUMX million people lived in Russia (together with the already annexed Left-Bank Ukraine).

        After 400 years (in 1913) lived in the climate-blessed Germany, France and Italy: in Germany - 65 million (6,0 times more); in France - 39 million (2,6 times more); in Italy - 35 million (3,2 times more). By this time, 107 million small-, white- and Great-Russians lived in Russia at that time, and they lived mostly still before the Urals. An increase of the population by 19 times, and not in 400 years, but in 200!
    2. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 19 November 2013 08: 08 New
      10
      As Vereshchagin said: "I'm sorry for the state!"
  • moskal68
    moskal68 19 November 2013 07: 59 New
    +1
    Quote: Yuri I.
    In my opinion you will never have a reason. It seems that this is still a state of mind, a certain self-satisfaction, that you are, that you are (well, there is nationality, etc., etc.). How do we say? There would be a desire, but there is a reason laughing , although everyone knows that the world is not perfect.
    By the way, no one answered me what one can be proud of. Besides the story.
    1. avant-garde
      avant-garde 19 November 2013 08: 08 New
      +2
      Quote: 68
      By the way, no one answered me what one can be proud of. Besides the story.

      so you also did not answer, what is Russia not proud of now?
      And I’ll tell you only the strong can rise from his knees after what the country experienced in the 90s, at least it should be proud of. If this happened in the West, it’s even scary to think that take off would be.
      1. mak210
        mak210 19 November 2013 08: 19 New
        11
        And what, in fact, happened in our 90s? Khan Tokhtamysh, Batu and Hitler got up from the coffins and destroyed everything? But the culprits were not named and punished. Quite the contrary: Yeltsin in Sverdlovsk monument for 2 billion rubles. (!) They put it, they hung up the boards to Gaidar, they called the institute, even there is some kind of fund. The rest, who are alive, are also well arranged.

        Had this happened in the West blessed by you, everyone would have loaded coal on Norilsk Nickel. It is called: "criminal negligence".
        1. avant-garde
          avant-garde 19 November 2013 08: 24 New
          0
          Quote: mak210
          blessed by you

          Fu Fu, if not culturally, why is he my blessing ?!
    2. Russ69
      Russ69 19 November 2013 10: 29 New
      +1
      Quote: 68
      By the way, no one answered me what one can be proud of. Besides the story.

      - Unlike most countries of the geyropa and the main doom of shit democracy, Russia does not live on debt, but on its own.
      - Fertility finally began to exceed mortality
      - Russia is the first in nuclear energy. One of the two countries that is able to fly stably into space (now the only ones)
      1. JonnyT
        JonnyT 19 November 2013 14: 05 New
        +3
        Quote: Russ69
        Fertility finally exceeds mortality

        Due to emigres galleries? Something I don’t see on the streets of crowds of kids, such as in the 90 years ....... now all Russians basically have one child .... thanks to the authorities, they tried to make it very expensive for a Russian person to raise children
        1. Grbear
          Grbear 19 November 2013 14: 13 New
          -1
          JoniT, where did you find such a schedule? If yes. Particularly impressive is the peak of the birth rate in 2010 (after 2008-09) and the beginning of the 2001 countdown. For yourself, see already.
          1. ivshubarin
            ivshubarin 19 November 2013 14: 30 New
            0
            I did not see so many pregnant women in the 90s as now, many have three children. Our hub. region even in the top ten in fertility in Russia
            1. JonnyT
              JonnyT 19 November 2013 15: 16 New
              +3
              Glad for your region, unfortunately with us otherwise .........

              Statistics takes into account the birth rate of whom, Russian? Or Russians ???
        2. Russ69
          Russ69 19 November 2013 16: 39 New
          -1
          Quote: JonnyT
          Due to emigres galleries? Something I do not see on the streets of crowds of children, such as in the 90s ....... now all Russians basically have one child ...

          Statistics have been cited more than once on this forum. In recent months, natural fertility has exceeded mortality more than once.
          I do not know what you see. In our city, despite the fact that one previously closed kindergarten was repaired and it worked, the second is being repaired and there are still few places ...
          .Thanks to the authorities, they tried so that it would be very expensive for a Russian person to raise children
          My friends, almost everyone has two, and there are three.
          What are they giving birth to for the authorities? I had two in the early 90's and were normal.
          And the schedule up to 50 years, I was glad that for nostradamus was? ... smile
          In Russia, almost every day., A new kindergarten opens. For whom is it interesting?
          1. seller trucks
            19 November 2013 17: 47 New
            0
            Quote: Russ69
            In Russia, almost every day., A new kindergarten opens. For whom is it interesting?


            I have a spouse in d / s, a nurse, I don’t know the hearsay: this year half of the gardens were building additional buildings, next year they will build second half of the d / s, and, personally, I helped to compile lists on 250 people with a dozen non-Russian surnames and those residents of Tatarstan and Bashkiria.
        3. yur
          yur 20 November 2013 00: 23 New
          -2
          You and I are probably looking at different streets: it was in the 90s that there were few small children in the streets, and now, thank God, a completely different picture.
    3. yur
      yur 20 November 2013 00: 16 New
      -2
      Yes, even if we can safely allocate 20 trillion. rubles to re-equip the army. And our foreign "partners" will only bind and cut their budgets with their teeth.
  • borisjdin1957
    borisjdin1957 19 November 2013 08: 01 New
    +6
    from the Don.
    Somehow I quickly forgot how they lived in 90. They began to live better? Better. Media and ratings for me on the drum. I judge in the village where I live. Who wants to work, find work, who loafers, thumps. The only thing is children and pensioners. retirement at 7000 rubles, it is incredibly difficult. And even if due to health reasons there is no way to earn extra money. With the kids the same song!
    1. yur
      yur 20 November 2013 00: 30 New
      -2
      Even in my native village this year a kindergarten reopened (it was closed for 17 years).
      1. yur
        yur 20 November 2013 21: 00 New
        0
        I used to be upset because of the minuses, but now that I have been neglected for the information that a kindergarten has opened in my native village, I see that I am doing everything and I think correctly.
  • moskal68
    moskal68 19 November 2013 08: 03 New
    +6
    Quote: 528Obrp
    Links are not curves - 100%. You have a sharpened browser for the hamster. Economy. Gross Domestic Product (PPP) Go to the World Bank website.
    No need to drive to my browser. Economy, you say. I judge the economics of shopping in a store. While I see only a constant rise in price with the complete stagnation of the RFP. Maybe there is still some economy, I do not know. In some parallel Russia, where everything is fine. But I was not there.
    1. 528Obrp
      528Obrp 19 November 2013 08: 11 New
      +3
      Quote: 68
      Russia, where everything is fine. But I was not there.

      Or maybe you are in Russia in general ... it ... weren’t?
      1. Walker1975
        Walker1975 19 November 2013 16: 21 New
        +1
        Yes. yes ... if you divide the capitals of all sorts of Abramovich and other billionaires, it may be so. But in fact - the first place in the growth of billionaires, and the rest - a big such a fig (Muscovites and St. Petersburg - less, and the rest - more)
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 19 November 2013 16: 29 New
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          Quote: Walker1975
          Yes. yes ... if you divide the capitals of all sorts of Abramovich and other billionaires, then maybe it will be so

          Yes, it’s true even without any Abramovich, here it’s about the economy, and not about the loot in your pocket.
          In short, stop envying.
  • Dazdranagon
    Dazdranagon 19 November 2013 08: 03 New
    +6
    Those who believe that we have nothing to be proud of have been brainwashed from the West. "If a person is constantly told that he is, then he will eventually believe in it." Of course, there are many problems in the country, but it is possible to get out of them by joint efforts! hi
  • moskal68
    moskal68 19 November 2013 08: 05 New
    +4
    Quote: Dazdranagon
    Those who believe that we have nothing to be proud of have been brainwashed from the West. "If a person is constantly told that he is, then he will eventually believe in it." Of course, there are many problems in the country, but it is possible to get out of them by joint efforts! hi
    Those who believe that at the moment Russia is a great country is a complacent and very dangerous person.
    1. Dazdranagon
      Dazdranagon 19 November 2013 08: 13 New
      +5
      But she is great! Let one of the 3, and it is not clear who is greater! At least something stopped the democrats from the idea of ​​bringing democracy to Syria.
      Quote: 68
      a dangerous person
      - here you probably mean that the patriot will fight until the last breath, as in the Second World War. Yes, then the Germans were shocked by our soldiers ... Outcome - You write in Russian.
      1. mak210
        mak210 19 November 2013 11: 26 New
        +1
        It has just been announced on RSN that the number of people who consider themselves patriots has decreased by 7% over the year (data from the LIVADA Center). Just do not talk about agents, and agents sometimes need to tell the truth.
  • saag
    saag 19 November 2013 08: 07 New
    +6
    "... Most Russians assess the country's development vector positively."
    Can anyone from this majority share information about the development vector, where the country is developing, what goals it is moving towards, and what will it give the population?
  • moskal68
    moskal68 19 November 2013 08: 12 New
    +1
    Quote: alexneg
    Today, Russia is the fifth economy in the world and this is already a fait accompli. Is this not enough for you? Not to mention the rest. The speculation of Russophobes themselves will not bring them to good, only a direct path into the abyss. For the philosophers, bile was so blinded by their eyes that they did not notice that the world had already changed beyond recognition.
    Where in life is this seen? What are we in fifth place?
    1. ivshubarin
      ivshubarin 19 November 2013 08: 17 New
      -2
      In traffic jams and queues in supermarkets, is it all from poverty?
      1. 528Obrp
        528Obrp 19 November 2013 08: 22 New
        +2
        Quote: ivshubarin
        In traffic jams and queues in supermarkets, is it all from poverty?

        Yeah! It is what it is. We have the second car market in Europe! Eprst!
        Smarphones .... from their strumming already in public transport the head breaks!
        and the beginning of the 2000s - sotik prestiyizh !!!
        1. JonnyT
          JonnyT 19 November 2013 14: 48 New
          +7
          Yeah, again they bought you with torn jeans ........ Without medicine, without normal work, without children, but with an iPhone and Chinese jeans - what a happiness .... I now have tears of emotion pour down my unshaven cheeks. ... here it comes true people's dreams
          1. yur
            yur 20 November 2013 00: 45 New
            -2
            And what is normal work? And if you don’t like Chinese jeans, why not buy American jeans, because now you don’t need to get them out of the box. Although personally I was always satisfied with the trousers of the Bolshevichka factory. PS By the way, I have, for example, three children and already have the good fortune to have three grandchildren. So I think that success and happiness are not always determined by the number of varieties of sausage on the counter of the store.
            1. JonnyT
              JonnyT 20 November 2013 20: 55 New
              0
              Each has its own criteria ....
              Recently I met a friend, we studied together at a university stream ..... manager. sells computers .... but in the specialty he must do these computers - create .... and he really wants to work in the specialty, but the trouble is nowhere ...... in my city there is no new factory ... many collapsed, and the giants barely breathe .... but the shopping and entertainment centers have built that mushrooms after the rain ..... and so the floor of the country ...... offensively ......
              But in Europe there are many medium and small industries .. they produce .... and sell their product with us, while earning in excess of profit ..... these industries give a great impetus to the development of society as a whole ..... ..from science to the culture and self-awareness of people ......
    2. avant-garde
      avant-garde 19 November 2013 08: 19 New
      -2
      Quote: 68
      Where in life is this seen?

      Well, everything fell into place, you are simply not happy with your condition, and the country has nothing to do with it. Do not judge everyone by yourself, my advice to you!
  • moskal68
    moskal68 19 November 2013 08: 18 New
    -8
    Quote: Dazdranagon
    But she is great! Let one of the 3, and it is not clear who is greater! At least something stopped the democrats from the idea of ​​bringing democracy to Syria.
    Quote: 68
    a dangerous person
    - here you probably mean that the patriot will fight until the last breath, as in the Second World War. Yes, then the Germans were shocked by our soldiers ... Outcome - You write in Russian.
    I am not a patriot.
    1. ivshubarin
      ivshubarin 19 November 2013 08: 23 New
      +5
      They would say so right away, although it’s so obvious
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 19 November 2013 08: 18 New
    +3
    Article plus .. All of this has been hammered into us from all the media for about 20 years. The adult population still has something to compare with, but the youth clean their brains specifically ..

    mass enthusiasm, without which it is impossible to rebuild the country and even more so to make a qualitative leap into the future with it.
    Here to the point! On this Russia has always stood and will stand! We need an idea and then we will turn the mountains! Here is something I so wanted to express ..
    1. baltika-18
      baltika-18 19 November 2013 09: 57 New
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      Quote: MIKHAN
      mass enthusiasm, without which it is impossible to rebuild the country and even more so to make a qualitative leap into the future with it.
      Here to the point! On this Russia has always stood and will stand!

      Mister, Mikhan (Vitaliy)! There was mass enthusiasm in the USSR, as there was an idea of ​​equality and building a communist society. At present, you will not wait for enthusiasm, because
      Quote: MIKHAN
      We need an idea
      it doesn’t and never will be, because people are still not stupid, and they understand that they work not for themselves and not for the society in which they live, but ultimately for the uncle-owner, for some kind of master with whom people ( hired workers) by definition, the relationship is antagonistic. For mass enthusiasm, two indispensable conditions are needed, this is the unity of the people and the great idea. We don’t have one and the other under the current system, because it is impossible to create an equally acceptable idea for a billionaire and a beggar, and also combine them based on this idea.
  • moskal68
    moskal68 19 November 2013 08: 21 New
    11
    Quote: ivshubarin
    In traffic jams and queues in supermarkets, is it all from poverty?
    Yes, here they also said you can be proud of the Internet.))) The fact that we have half-wild Caucasians massacre in the cities, and the authorities begin to itch only when the cops break the head or people take to the streets - this, presumably, is nonsense. Well, really, it's silly to pay attention to such trifles. When there is internet.
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  • Idunavs
    Idunavs 19 November 2013 09: 15 New
    +6
    They lie, they all lie, and about everything!
  • moskal68
    moskal68 19 November 2013 09: 16 New
    -7
    Guys, I know the resource - you should like it there. They masturbate for everything Russian. To Bulava, as many as five pieces of PAK FA, to Tsiskaridze, to science, to medicine, to education, to space exploration, to the economy. For almost everything.
    1. avant-garde
      avant-garde 19 November 2013 09: 26 New
      +7
      Quote: 68
      Guys, I know the resource - you should like it there. They masturbate for everything Russian. To Bulava, as many as five pieces of PAK FA, to Tsiskaridze, to science, to medicine, to education, to space exploration, to the economy. For almost everything.

      Give a resource where masturbate at all overseas ???? you should like to bring yourself to an orgasm, since the domestic is not worth it!
      1. moskal68
        moskal68 19 November 2013 09: 32 New
        +1
        And where did I say that I am a lover of overseas? People who brandish flags and do not see beyond their nose will make me laugh. They said that they were proud, and they are happy to try. And when you ask such people what they are really proud of, then they immediately begin to get angry. )
        1. JonnyT
          JonnyT 19 November 2013 14: 55 New
          +1
          we have something to be proud of even now !!!!
    2. Setrac
      Setrac 19 November 2013 16: 52 New
      -1
      Quote: 68
      Guys, I know the resource - you should like it there. They masturbate for everything Russian. To Bulava, as many as five pieces of PAK FA, to Tsiskaridze, to science, to medicine, to education, to space exploration, to the economy. For almost everything.

      Hey space brawler, where's the link? Or did you say for the sake of saying?
  • HollyGremlin
    HollyGremlin 19 November 2013 09: 32 New
    +3
    Neighbor 1: Your dog shit on my porch!
    Neighbor 2: It’s not true, I have a bulldog!
    Here are some of the refutations of myths given in the article. In no case, I do not want to say that everything is bad, but there are areas in which we clearly fail, there are also directions where the horse is still on the horse.
  • major071
    major071 19 November 2013 09: 54 New
    +4
     GEORGES
    Quote: major071
    It makes us think, maybe again the authorities are preparing something unkind for us, slowly driving us to the idea that the stool and its bedding are white and fluffy, and here we are in vain driving a wave. If Vasilyeva is also acquitted, I will generally be disappointed in this world.

    Read the next article about Russia without Chernukha and life will get better.

    I read and liked the circle with the accordion and balalaika in the photo. Life has improved, I’ll go to work, however.
  • oracul
    oracul 19 November 2013 09: 55 New
    +2
    It's time to get used to the fact that if a person's mind is "sharpened" under indiscriminate criticism of everything and everyone, then no arguments will be accepted, attempts to reason with him do not bring success. The most reasonable thing is not to react to such people: you will save your health and time.
  • HollyGremlin
    HollyGremlin 19 November 2013 10: 10 New
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    MYTH: "Russians are dissatisfied with themselves and life"
    IN FACT: Over the past 8 years, the number of people satisfied with life has significantly increased. At the same time, 2 times less often respondents began to talk about dissatisfaction with life.
    AS IT IS: The Russians, as they were not satisfied, were left, it just became a little less dissatisfied

    MYTH: "Russians no longer trust Putin"
    IN FACT: Today, three out of four Russians (73%) admit that Putin has done a lot for Russia in difficult circumstances - his services to the country are more and more obvious to the population every year. For most, there is no doubt that Putin is a strong leader (74%), who pursues the right foreign policy (74%).
    AS IT IS: to believe (trust) and recognize strength - different concepts

    MYTH: "Russia is on the brink of revolution again"
    IN FACT: For the period 2006-2013, the indicator of personal protest potential has significantly decreased. Compared to 2006, the indicator halved: only 17% of respondents in 2013 indicated their readiness to take part in mass performances.
    AS IT IS: Fortune telling on the water: today I am not ready to speak, and tomorrow they will take my pension away and I will go to the square with a pitchfork

    MYTH: "The Russians are unhappy with the course of the country's development.
    IN FACT: Most Russians positively assess the country's development vector, with approval growing from 2005 to 2007. Nevertheless, the economic crisis and its consequences influenced the opinions of Russians. In early 2009, the approval of the country's development vector was the minimum value for the last 7 years. Since 2009, more and more residents of Russia agree that things are going in the right direction in the country.
    AS IT IS: So it is - in relation to the jambs, 2009 has become better.

    MYTH: "Russia does not have its own food products" or "Imported products are better than local ones."
    IN FACT: The vast majority of respondents (69%) say that they prefer to buy domestic products. Only 1% of respondents prefer products of foreign manufacturers.
    AS IT IS: I also prefer local, just try to find. High-quality imports cost a lot (you still need to bring to Russia) so even if you want you can’t buy it.

    MYTH: "The Russians are watching oil prices and are afraid of the crisis.
    IN FACT: The vast majority of respondents in recent years noted that they do not monitor world oil prices. At the same time, the share of those who monitor oil prices in 2012 decreased to 16%. It should be noted that in 2001 the shares of those interested and not interested were distributed equally.
    AS IT IS: 16% off! Is it not being watched? Recently it has become clear from the news what will happen to the prices, you do not even need to follow them. And so everything is predicted.

    MYTH: "Russians do not believe the ruble"
    IN FACT: Russians currently tend to trust the ruble more than foreign currency. Only one in five respondents in 2012 stated that they trust the currency of other states more.
    AS IT IS: That's right - they don’t believe a single currency. Where is the rebuttal of the myth?

    MYTH: "Russia does not produce anything"
    IN FACT: Agricultural output is growing. In 2009-2010 a decrease in crop production was recorded, but in subsequent years there was a noticeable increase. Livestock production is growing steadily.
    AS IT IS: And industry, excuse me, why are you silent about it?
  • HollyGremlin
    HollyGremlin 19 November 2013 10: 10 New
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    MYTH: "The plight of education, science and culture"
    IN FACT: Almost every second Russian believes that the state of affairs in the field of culture, science and education can be assessed as good and satisfactory. These indicators have remained virtually unchanged over the past 5 years.
    AS IT IS: 3 at school they pose for being able to repeat the pattern. Science 3. And this is in a country where not long ago there were the best science and education!

    MYTH: "Science is not developing in Russia"
    IN FACT: The number of organizations engaged in research and development related to nanotechnology has been growing since 2008. In 2011, the number of organizations performing research and development related to nanotechnology reached 485.
    AS IT IS: He completed graduate school. Go through the forest, first learn how to correctly apply the term nanotechnology, and not poke it on any pan with a Teflon coating. What does science have to do with it, theoretical science is dead here.

    MYTH: "Patriotism is not in vogue"
    IN FACT: The vast majority of respondents call themselves patriots of their country.
    AS IT IS: Yeah, and everyone understands this in their own way. Often the opposite.

    MYTH: "Russians are chauvinistic" or "Russians are racists"
    IN FACT: For the vast majority of Russians, the word "Nationalism" has a negative meaning.
    AS IT IS: And who gave this word such a coloring: the wrong nationalists are right, then there are not so few of them.

    MYTH: "Islamophobia is growing in Russia"
    IN FACT: Every second respondent is negative about Islam, every fifth (19%) is positive. Almost half of the respondents said that they would have reacted neutrally to the adoption of Islam by people close to them.
    AS IT IS: Every second is negative. Before, there were almost none. Total growth of 50%!

    MYTH: "Russia has nothing to be proud of"
    IN FACT: Russians are most proud of the history of their country (85%), Russian sports (77%), culture and art (75%). The object of pride of more than half of the respondents is the military power of the country and Russian science, with every second proud of Russia's position in the international arena. But the standard of living, by contrast, tend to evaluate more critically.
    AS IT IS: A contrived myth that I hear for the first time

    MYTH: "Russians are the laziest nation" or "Russians don't like and don't want to work"
    IN FACT: Every second respondent believes that the majority of Russians work hard at their jobs. At the same time, more than half of the respondents said that they work hard and "plow" at their workplace.
    AS IT IS: Another not clear explanation - where is the comparison with other nations. I "plow", but I do not like to work and I am lazy, where is the contradiction. Learn logic!
  • moskal68
    moskal68 19 November 2013 10: 22 New
    +2
    Quote: seller trucks
    Quote: 68
    You still talk about agriculture and the auto industry.)))


    what do you need to say about the auto industry? Let's say that Russia became the first market in Europe in terms of sales, then in 2012, the Russian Federation produced 2500000 million. cars, what else to say, in Russia all the leading brands of automakers have localized the assembly of their cars, moreover, I'm not talking about the localization of the assembly of components for cars, these are dozens if not hundreds of enterprises and I do not see anything shameful in this because there are leading manufacturers such as ZF, Cammens, Volvo. And you do not know that near Kaliningrad Avtotor has laid an auto cluster of more than 20 factories, and for this business there is also a "village" for 50 tons. 120 produced about 140 units. passenger vehicles, and some factories are packed with orders for years to come. Have questions? Oh yes AvtoVAZ and everything is fine with him Grant, Kalina 2012, in 17 we are waiting for Priora 000.
    Grant ... Kalina ... OMG ...
  • moskal68
    moskal68 19 November 2013 10: 24 New
    -3
    You just don’t think. that I laugh at your subjects for pride. Be proud of your health. As they say, each hut has its own rattles.
  • Ivan Petrovich
    Ivan Petrovich 19 November 2013 10: 40 New
    +3
    the article is complete fuet ... Russians think ... aren't those Russians who are pedro in the party?
  • dmb
    dmb 19 November 2013 10: 46 New
    10
    Licked, right up to the glands. If you look closely at the list of myths, it is easy to see that two-thirds of them. Edichka himself invented, and he himself refuted them famously, not really bothering himself with argumentation. Apparently, the rest was taken from conversations with workers of the Echo of Moscow, in one of the restaurants in the Tverskaya district. Apparently, they talked about the advantages of imported products there. At the same time, Eddie, eating jamon and washing it down with Bordeaux, with foam at the mouth proved that potatoes with herring are better (although things are completely different). He apparently wrote about nanotechnology under the impression of the news about the results of the audit of the Chubais feeder by the Accounts Chamber, and the size of the bonuses received by Chubais, despite the loss-making of the enterprise. To a considerable degree, the conclusion about the development of science was apparently made to him even after the Fursenko-Livanovsky Unified State Examination and the rest of the cheerful reforms carried out by this department. The most mysterious is the myth invented by Eddich about Russians dissatisfaction with the country's course. The phrase itself clearly indicates that Birov skipped classes in Russian language and literature at school, and at the time of writing he was thinking more about the dollar exchange rate in which he would be paid for the article. But if you translate from Birovsky into Russian, then it also doesn’t work out very well, for it is somehow not necessary to say that the people like capitalism. No, of course, if the VTsIOM, the foundation and Birov personally conducted a survey in the Kremlin canteen, then almost everyone likes it, even dishwashers.
    1. baltika-18
      baltika-18 19 November 2013 16: 06 New
      +2
      Quote: dmb
      Licked, right up to the glands.

      Bravo, Dembel. Raskatal, Edika bullshit in full.
  • Schoolboy 2005
    Schoolboy 2005 19 November 2013 11: 08 New
    +5
    The article is delusional, especially about the nationwide love for the leader (what is this, especially after Serdyukov and everything else?) And the lack of revolutionary sentiments, about satisfaction with the course ... You have to understand that these VTsIOMs are completely controlled, and even if it comes the default will be written by the Russians confident in their future, in Uzbekistan, by the way, according to polls, 90% also "adore" the authorities
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  • denson06
    denson06 19 November 2013 11: 12 New
    +1
    Quote: Tarpon
    Myth: "Russians no longer believe Putin"

    Myth or not, I don’t know, but if Serdyukov were imprisoned, then a lot of questions for Putin would be removed.

    Well, here it is not necessary to wait all the time for a command and a signal from above .. there are judges, there are facts .. you need to consider the criminal case of these persons on the merits and impose a punishment (at the same time, do not take bribes to the judges themselves and do not care about those circumstances, whether they work or do not work they are now). And then people will believe that there is an independent court and the inevitability of punishment! And less "PR" these "thieving comrades" on TV is necessary! The Ministry of Defense of Russia was entrusted to them, and not to Sharazhkin's office .. and this is not a joke at all.
    Sincerely ... hi
  • rennim
    rennim 19 November 2013 11: 16 New
    +8
    My wife works as a psychologist in the Ministry of Internal Affairs. He tells me constantly who comes to them to get a job. Every day I am told about these nightmares of population degradation. People do not even suspect who the president is in the Russian Federation. The question of what the moon is is not everyone answers. You can not even ask about the solar system and other countries and continents. Catastrophic degradation !!! Now think about what they say in polls about Russia. Nothing ... they’re doing fine. Just not with the head. That's how the brains are dusted like that. Such for the authorities is the best electorate. They are easy to manage. Of these, it’s easy to make zombies with a bomb. These people are a reflection of the current state of society and Russia as a whole. They are young and the future belongs to them. I would like not the future that many have now thought about.
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  • Algor73
    Algor73 19 November 2013 11: 26 New
    +2
    "... REALLY: Over the past 8 years, the number of people satisfied with life has increased significantly. At the same time, respondents began to speak of dissatisfaction with life twice less often."
    I don’t know, but it seems to me that here is the same as in Ukraine - people are already starting to get used to this state of affairs, slowly adapting to realities. They already forget (and some do not remember) what standard of living was under the Union (for the lower and middle strata). 90s - these were shock years for all post-Soviet republics. It was the more or less stable 2000s that led to this assertion.
  • krasavchik
    krasavchik 19 November 2013 11: 37 New
    +7
    Hurray, these mantras should be read out each time before bedtime as an auto-training, apparently the news of the first channel is no longer valid.
    but in fact:
    - 20 million migrant workers
    total corruption
    -the outflow of capital from the country, equal to almost a third of the annual budget
    -economy in a stupor, GDP growth at the level of statistical error
    budget sequestration from an already miserable social account
    - endless reforms of the army, medicine, education, which are aimed only at the collapse of the object of reform
    .
  • Mr.M
    Mr.M 19 November 2013 11: 56 New
    +5
    I do not agree with paragraph
    Myth: "In distress, in education, science and culture"


    What myth is this to the e-mother ?!
    according to the constitution, we don’t have a state ideology, the Fursenians-Lebanons are rampant in education, in the media and on TV in particular, the dominance of liberals and programs propagating the Western way of life.
    One must be either blind or a frostbitten optimistic philosopher who sees white in black.
    1. krasavchik
      krasavchik 19 November 2013 12: 57 New
      +5
      Well, kakbe Fursenko, a close friend of Solntseliky, being the Minister of Education, issued the following phrase: "Soviet education prepared creators and we need to prepare consumers", and everything that was happening in education and is happening now (the Bologna system, the Unified State Exam, cutting hours for fundamental disciplines, etc. .) nothing but purposeful destruction, the situation in the Ministry of Defense and the Ministry of Health was absolutely identical. Strangely, the president was again unaware of what his close friend was doing as minister.
  • sashka
    sashka 19 November 2013 12: 06 New
    +5
    Currently, the People are offered to tighten their belts and wander around the ruined Country in search of work and food, Real words of real "leaders" Glory to medveputam and putinoids.
  • pl675
    pl675 19 November 2013 12: 48 New
    +1
    "corruption" is a bad word, it is "tradition" - already sounds.