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Russian gentlemen



The eminent philosopher Alexander Zinoviev somehow lamented that "the Russian people were not suitable for the role of the people of the gentlemen and still are not suitable." Zinoviev believed that the USSR did not cope with the role of the world hegemon, because "we always had a psychology of understatement."

Behind these words lies bitterness from the fact that the Soviet people so easily abandoned the role of pioneers, their achievements, many of which were borrowed by capitalism and helped transform its wolfish grin into a white-toothed smile. According to Zinoviev, neither the British nor the Germans would never sell their “birthright” so cheaply.

Yes, the firewood was broken, while socialism was built - and what, with the construction of capitalism, was it less broken? Nevertheless, the advanced Western countries were able to comprehend their mistakes and correct the initially ruthless system, turning it into a society where social support and tolerance play no less a role than competitiveness and the pursuit of profit. The Russians, who constituted the majority of the Soviet people, instead of creatively developing and improving their society, the construction of which cost them so dearly, agreed to let the builders of capitalism go ahead for sausage.

And now, with the influx of "migrants", our society began to roll back even further - to feudalism, and even to slavery. Moreover, it turned out that it is extremely simple to accept this archaic rollback. A bit of demagogy, a little bit of horror stories, telepnosis - and that's it.

Have you seen how the absolute majority of migrants live? Crowded basements and sheds, overcrowding and poor sanitation, complete dependence on the "slave owners" and their managers. We look at this bestial existence through our fingers, also imputing it to the guilt of the guest workers themselves, who spoil the picture of the consumer paradise. In general, there is nothing new in this - in slaveholding society they treated slaves with the same contempt and disgust, believing that this situation was due to their initially low development and innate subhumanity. Moreover, as the famous prison experiment of the American psychologist Philip Zimbardo showed, if you take a group of perfectly normal psychologically stable students and arbitrarily divide them into "prisoners" and "jailers," it quickly turns out that "jailers" are no longer seeing their prisoners as "prisoners" learning and begin to treat them as lower beings, not worthy of sympathy. And this despite the fact that they are aware of - this is just an experiment! The magic of social suggestion is stronger than reason.

In Russia, such a prison experiment was put on a national scale. The word "migrants" magically deduces the Tajiks, Kirghiz, Uzbeks from the category of people. If so tried to maintain and exploit our workers, it would cause outrage and would be considered unacceptable. And with migrants, another thing, they are perceived only as a function - brooms, shovels and trowels.

Removal from the category of "people" is achieved through simple techniques. Once in Tashkent I had the chance to speak frankly with a Uighur girl from a poor suburb. Having set herself the goal of escaping poverty, she learned Russian perfectly and drew to me a vivid and cruel picture of the life of ordinary Uzbeks, for whom even tea with bread was a festive dinner. Among other things, they constantly have to deal with total lawlessness and arbitrariness. I think that if our television told the truth about the lives of ordinary people in the states of Central Asia - by showing them as people, not statistical units, we would have a different attitude to the problem of migration. We would have seen our recent fellow citizens find themselves in real trouble. But there are no such programs on our television. Nobody needs that. The Russian leadership does not want to quarrel with the local bosses. And it is more convenient for him to keep migrants away from the indigenous population. This design leaves a lot of room for manipulation. If anything, you can always add kerosene to interethnic relations, and then the truth will be hidden behind the suffocating smoke.

They are trying to convince us that migrant labor is beneficial to the whole society. It's a lie. Slave labor is beneficial exclusively to the owners and top managers of companies that, according to Marx, appropriate for themselves all the surplus value produced by this labor. For society as a whole, elements of slavery are extremely harmful - they drag the country back to the Middle Ages. If we begin to look at a part of those who live next to us as non-people, this means one thing: we are moving down historical spirals. Introducing one category of non-people, we open the door for the emergence of new ones - by origin, appearance, religion, sexual orientation, physical and mental health, income level, beliefs ...

In addition to providing super profits for the top of our society, migrants play another important role - they raise the social status of the lowest and unsuccessful sections of the indigenous population. For many people, it is the realization that there is someone below them that will allow them to accept the existing order. In a sense, contrary to the assessment of Alexander Zinoviev, the Russians decided to agree with the role of the nation of gentlemen. But not in the struggle for leadership with the Germans and the British, but in relation to the Kyrgyz and Tajiks ... What an irony.

There are no migrants. There are people from poverty and hopelessness who are forced to agree to everything in order to feed themselves and their families. And if they speak Russian poorly, this does not mean that they are not worthy of the best. The absolute majority of our fellow citizens also do not speak any language other than their own. Yes, and exquisite manners is no different.

The bestial exploitation of people from Central Asia must end. Looking for workers, but no one wanting? Invite people from other states - just provide them with a normal salary and living conditions, organize everything you need to learn the language and adapt. Bad for such conditions? So you have to close the business.

Slavery cannot be justified by economic benefits. And in the end, the work of free people turned out to be more productive than slave labor. Elements of the slave system lead to a dead end. And those who are trying to justify this system are simply not going to live in Russia in the future.
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  1. Valery Neonov
    Valery Neonov 18 November 2013 09: 24
    18
    Well, again, Soviet people are to blame, somehow generalized .. not people but individual persons made and make decisions, but PEOPLE (electorate) can only watch their servants. This is also the case with migration policy and, as a result, the attitude of migrants to RUSSIAN . hi
    1. experienced
      experienced 18 November 2013 09: 34
      67
      Moving away from emotions and historical insults, you can look at the situation:
      We (Russian citizens) live and work in our own country, pay taxes.
      Most of them (Gaster) illegally reside in the territory of our country, work without transferring taxes to the budget of the country, use medicine and secondary education (at the expense of our taxes), send foreign currency outside of Russia, and knock down prices for work (dumping).
      "Freeloaders" and nothing more, and this is without mentioning the sale of drugs, crime and a bunch of diseases ...
      It is becoming a good tradition in the former republics, and now "independent" states, to blame the Russians and Russia for the troubles of their countries, leading the anger of the population away from poor life into the "right" channel.
      - Russian occupation of civilized and self-sufficient countries with "plunging them into the abyss of barbarism";
      - famine;
      - "ripping" during the USSR;
      - destruction of the "original" culture
      etc. etc.
      ENOUGH TO BLAME RUSSIANS !!! We are not guilty of anything and there is no need to cultivate a "guilt complex" in us. We see in the example of Germany and Japan what can be done with the people by constantly instilling a guilt complex. Samurai and some of the best warriors in Europe turned into a "herd". We don't need this !!!
      It's time to drop all curtsies and stop "cutting the tail in pieces." Borders, visas and no "bad loans" !!! The conditions are dictated by the strong, but for now they continue to dictate to us ...
      1. SlavaS
        SlavaS 18 November 2013 09: 53
        -22 qualifying.
        use medicine and secondary education
        , but they don’t use anything, they don’t have medical poles, and the children are at home.
        1. experienced
          experienced 18 November 2013 09: 58
          29
          Quote: SlavaS
          , but they don’t use anything, they don’t have medical poles, and the children are at home.

          I live in Moscow and see. Recently, there was information that in Moscow 10% of places in preschool institutions are occupied by children of migrants, and this is with an obvious shortage of such institutions. In many schools (especially in certain districts) in classes up to 30-40% are "non-Russians" and this greatly affects the education of Russian children, because the teacher is guided by the average perception of the class when submitting material.
          Recently in D. Vostok there was a scandal when they refused to put a guest worker without documents in the maternity hospital ... The absence of a policy does not prevent them from giving birth and being treated
          1. Tanysh
            Tanysh 18 November 2013 11: 09
            -8
            Moscow is not Russia. Sky is not visible from Tverskaya
            1. experienced
              experienced 18 November 2013 11: 22
              12
              Quote: Tanysh
              Moscow is not Russia. Sky is not visible from Tverskaya

              Moscow is part of Russia and there is no need to make a split, in the 90s they did not disintegrate into "principalities", and now it will not be possible to destroy Russia !!! And the problems of gaster are most evident in megalopolises, it is here that they, like flies and flock, in the villages you can't really find them, but in large cities they are already "off scale"
              1. varov14
                varov14 18 November 2013 16: 19
                +9
                You’re kind of going to build the third ring around Moscow, and build for the next, until all of Russia fits inside, everything else can be rented out. A good goal for fools is not to equip Russia, but to build ring roads around the capital. It has long been time to transfer the capital and make Moscow an ordinary city, don’t notice the traffic jams will strangle you and the rings will not help. You’re rowing your loot, someone who loves you, I don’t mind driving along good roads, but only 16 rubles from the ruble of taxes. I really laughed when I heard on TV that you have as many as 1000 people working for 500000 large and medium enterprises. If the company was like ours, at least 5 million worked. The remaining millions of inhabitants what do you do?
              2. plut-k
                plut-k 18 November 2013 18: 13
                +2
                and in the villages they already have enough - Mezen- (outskirts of the Arkhangelsk province)
          2. baltika-18
            baltika-18 18 November 2013 13: 03
            +9
            Quote: seasoned
            ... In many schools (especially in certain areas) in classes up to 30-40% "non-Russians

            An experienced plus. My wife and I have a sister living in Solntsevo. So it is.
            1. asadov
              asadov 18 November 2013 18: 03
              +2
              So not only do they occupy 30-40%, they are still not going to learn Russian. They communicate only with their own, practically do not go on contact with our children.
          3. Valery Neonov
            Valery Neonov 18 November 2013 14: 25
            +9
            hi Believe me, with all to Respect to you, but the phrase: "Moscow, how much in this word ..." for the population of at least the Far East is an EMPTY SOUND. This is not the capital of the state, but VAMPIR, demanding "blood" (dough)! hi
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          4. Botanologist
            Botanologist 18 November 2013 15: 28
            +8
            There are many controversial points in the article. To begin with, Zinoviev is by no means an indisputable expert on the topic he is discussing. More authoritative is Berdyaev, who substantiated that apocalypticism and nihilism lie at the heart of the Russian character. Of course, such an archetype does not give the Russian person rationalism and consistency, it is not for nothing that the "Russian character" is a mystery for rational Europeans. But this is a fact, and it is useless to call us to artificial rationalism. It won't work anyway.
            The second point is migrants. I agree that migrants are a means of enriching a handful of hucksters. The rest of them only have problems. And nagging like "who will sweep-clean" is just an attempt to justify this business. But, gentlemen, what have we to do with it? Why urge us to love migrants if it is obvious that the state is doing nothing to solve this problem? Maybe we will not persuade others to endure what we do not need to endure?
            1. varov14
              varov14 18 November 2013 16: 33
              10
              You're lying, I’m Russian and I’ve lived rationally and pragmatically all my life, but that didn’t stop me from being a romantic, believing in Komsomol construction sites and going to one of them myself and putting my whole life on it. I do not regret a single gram.
              1. Botanologist
                Botanologist 18 November 2013 17: 41
                -4
                Quote: varov14
                You're lying


                We didn’t drink like Brudershaft?

                Quote: varov14
                all my life I live rationally and pragmatically


                On which page of Forbes magazine can we see your photo?

                Quote: varov14
                but that didn’t stop me from being a romantic, believing in Komsomol construction sites and going to one of them myself and putting my whole life on it


                Thats exactly what I mean. All your rationalism has been incorporated into Komsomol romance.
          5. SlavaS
            SlavaS 18 November 2013 22: 29
            0
            a Tajik worker at a construction site was suffering with a tooth, he went to the hospital for free, no one began to put a seal on him, only painkillers were prescribed and vitamins.
        2. Jack122
          Jack122 18 November 2013 13: 49
          17
          I recently got a toothache, signed up for my dentist, but there is a turn for a week and decided what to suffer? It’s just that you can tear out a wisdom tooth and that’s all (I don’t need it for nothing), but this is not a tricky business and they’ll do it for free. What do you think, who sat in line to the dentist in a free clinic? The whole line, and what did they forget there without a policy? I have no idea what documents they accept, but they accept. Not a single Russian person was in the queue (I also looked at it and left, because such a clinic does not inspire confidence) They give children to kindergartens. First of all, they take Russians, but kindergartens are not against taking a bribe from migrants and shaving off Russians. These snot from the article are just * us. I urgently need a visa regime and putting things in order, I feel such a personal dislike of migrants that I can’t eat
        3. Babon
          Babon 18 November 2013 15: 11
          11
          In fact, they use it, they saw it themselves, they bring it to the hospital by ambulance, and they are in the wards.
          Well, according to the article, I myself spoke with our fired drivers and grandmother with a janitor. Everyone is slowly being asked to work, they are officially saying that they are trouble-free hard workers, and unofficially they simply give part of their earnings, they can also be written out for a type of bonus. If they say to a Muscovite, let’s drop off three per month, the answer is clear what will be. So to whom are these bureaucrats serving?
      2. Canep
        Canep 18 November 2013 09: 58
        +6
        It occurred to me that no one of the officials thought of creating a state. corporation "Guest worker". Organize recruiting centers in countries with a low standard of living, bring workers into Russia and resell them to employers. And make all other labor immigrants outlawed.
        And saw-saw loot. Like in Skolkovo or Rusnano
        1. ed65b
          ed65b 18 November 2013 10: 23
          +6
          Quote: Canep
          It occurred to me that no one of the officials thought of creating a state. corporation "Guest worker". Organize recruiting centers in countries with a low standard of living, bring workers into Russia and resell them to employers. And make all other labor immigrants outlawed.
          And saw-saw loot. Like in Skolkovo or Rusnano

          God forbid they read in the government. Gazprom will just become a stall. laughing
          1. varov14
            varov14 18 November 2013 16: 46
            0
            "God forbid they will read it in the government. Gazprom will simply become a stall."
            1. EdwardTich68
              EdwardTich68 18 November 2013 20: 28
              +2
              So last year 67 people drowned, as if from a bush, sent to the forefathers.
              1. Egen
                Egen 19 November 2013 05: 26
                0
                Quote: EdwardTich68
                So last year 67 people drowned

                Duck there were some distillers and not Gazpromovtsy :)
                In Gazprom and in the fields, for example, under 70% of people have higher education. At first glance, it seems that drilling a drill is a simple job, in fact, even 40-t drilling is not such a simple SYSTEM :)
                ... but by the way, abroad, for 10 years already, like all that is mobile for shale or methane - drill coiled tubing and farming; unfolds in just half an hour and the people of 5 people in total! And we rely on the same equipment more than 20 - the laws are :(
        2. Egoza
          Egoza 18 November 2013 10: 24
          11
          Quote: Canep
          as it is none of the officials did not think of creating a state. corporation "Guest worker".

          They created, but not officially. And they recruit, and import, and resell.
          1. ivshubarin
            ivshubarin 18 November 2013 10: 29
            +7
            The presence of migrant workers in SPECIAL STRUCTURE of Russia is especially alarming; they are also building secret objects
            1. antiaircrafter
              antiaircrafter 18 November 2013 10: 47
              +5
              Quote: ivshubarin
              The presence of migrant workers in the SPECIAL STRUCTURE of Russia is especially alarming

              I went here to one military educational institution - I watched as an Asian man, a parade ground sweeping (not a cadet!), Outsourcing, alas ....
              1. builder
                builder 18 November 2013 16: 08
                +2
                Quote: antiaircrafter
                as an Asian-looking youth, the parade ground sweeping (not a cadet!

                Japanese spy?
                1. antiaircrafter
                  antiaircrafter 18 November 2013 17: 14
                  +1
                  Quote: stroitel
                  Japanese spy?

                  I think Afghan! )))
            2. bomg.77
              bomg.77 18 November 2013 10: 48
              +3
              Quote: ivshubarin
              The presence of migrant workers in SPECIAL STRUCTURE of Russia is especially alarming; they are also building secret objects
              Yes, what a special system there is mainly Gaster, and they work right up to the Ministry of Defense and the president’s residence. True, Serdyuk’s cabinet was done only by Russian citizens. Medvedev’s FOC also included Yugoslavs and Russian citizens. Well, everyone knows the contract with Pavel Borodin for the Kremlin.
        3. Liss.
          Liss. 18 November 2013 10: 33
          12
          What has entered your head has long been tested and is valid
          there is such a state corporation, the Federal Migration Service, around which only about 50 pieces work in St. Petersburg. "LLC" for the legalization of migrants.
          Advertising on the website of the FMS.
          Take min. 20000 "hazel grouses" from the soul.
          All this "kipesh" will result in an increase in the number of "hazel grouses" for the legalization of one U.E. "Dzhamshuta".
          Legally there are companies supplying slave labor under the conditions of contingent labor. What is not slavery ...

          It is difficult now to come up with something that our state official did not come up with.
      3. Polovec
        Polovec 18 November 2013 11: 41
        +9
        The double feeling from the article. did not even evaluate. On the one hand, Comrade Experienced, I completely agree with you. In your reprise, you could also mention the genocide unleashed by the indigenous peoples of the Central Asian republics against ethnic Russians living in their territory after the collapse of the USSR. The desire to sell himself to the enemies of Russia as soon as possible. Neglect of the law of the Russian Federation while it is on its territory and the cobbling together of criminal communities aimed, of course, first of all at their compatriots, but having long ago expanded the circle of their victims and at the expense of the indigenous population. How many rape!
        On the other hand, I would not take the blame from Russia. The empire came to Central Asia when there was a feudal system. The empire took over the functions of management and enlightenment. (I don’t even want to discuss nonsense about colonization. We are not Anglo-Saxons and this is not our case.) The empire taught and cured. The empire made them equal in their society. By Empire I mean both Russian and the USSR. The people of these territories were included in the economic scheme of the state and faithfully carried out the functions assigned to them.
        Then at one point, these nations were simply thrown out of the system. What result did the authors of this idea count on interestingly?
        It touches me that in 1979 the Central Committee, seeing the problem in Afghanistan, to maintain stability in its southern regions, went on an armed invasion of a neighboring state, where it immediately began to build civilizing facilities (schools, hospitals, factories, etc.), and Yeltsin’s wise government, in one fell swoop, destroyed the already built civilized (albeit at a discount on the local mentality) society.
        Exupery wrote that we must be responsible for those who were tamed.
        I agree with the conclusions of Comrade Experienced as well as with his entire article, but I believe that it will not work to solve the problem simply by raising the borders. These are half measures. We must return to the proven policies of our ancestors, which is possible only with the revival of our own industrial potential and the involvement of Central Asia in this process one way or another.
        As for the current criminal component among migrants, only the eradication of corruption in the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the Prosecutor's Office will help solve this issue. This is OUR problem, not migrants.
        1. varov14
          varov14 18 November 2013 17: 12
          +2
          Our government thoughtlessly thinks that it did not abandon them at all, it helps with money. True, they obviously do not get to the people. And before they built and everyone was in business. Now we are not building it ourselves, to take the same Caucasus and everyone becomes the wars of Allah. No work, take up arms, you want to eat something. Until the economic policy changes, it will be so. It is with us that Medvedev offers to look for work and housing, but so far no one has lost and built to build, what to look for, to throw him in his place.
          1. goldfinger
            goldfinger 18 November 2013 21: 11
            0
            Neighbor is Belarusian. I still don’t understand. Who are migrants for Russians? Those who often travel from one city of the Russian Federation to another - (from Grozny to Moscow), being the same citizens of Russia as you are? Or citizens of other republics who entered the Russian Federation for permanent residence or temporary residence (temporary)? And if they entered legally, to their relatives (husband, wife, etc.)? Are they unwanted guests too, or what? You can go crazy! And, in my opinion, this confusion brings millions and millions to many! And they confused her on purpose. And do not unravel. For example, for you, it is beneficial for a professional builder who arrived legally (for example, from my Belarus), who arrived at 3 m-ts, and makes you renovation in your country house. But it is not beneficial to your local authorities - policemen, passport office, housing and communal services, medics, sanitary services, firefighters, etc. And they benefit from those imported by the Russian slave owners, illegally, downtrodden, illiterate, unprofessional Uzbek slaves, slaves from which you can tear three skins and at the same time yell about the dominance of damned chocks! So who will win in your and the police confrontation on this issue? Obviously not you. And all these shaking of the air on the so-called. the "migrant" question is already ridiculous. Because everything has been clear to everyone for a long time. This "suspended" problem is a safety valve for bleeding off popular discontent for Putin and his team. Crime is migrants, the police have no time to deal with you! Shitty education - migrants scored all classes! Cave medicine in the countryside - migrants have filled all hospitals! That's the whole trick.
            Quote: varov14
            Our government, without thinking, thinks that it didn’t abandon them at all,
          2. EdwardTich68
            EdwardTich68 19 November 2013 02: 47
            0
            Do not forget that crime has existed since the formation of mankind as a static form (State) and will not cease to exist even with the disappearance of one.
      4. varov14
        varov14 18 November 2013 16: 01
        0
        You read, like I myself think so, the whole question is who encourages and promotes, uncle from Mars?
    2. Bezarius
      Bezarius 18 November 2013 10: 14
      +8
      As Confucius said, perfect people are looking for a reason in themselves, insignificance in the rest. And in principle, I agree with him. Our people need to learn to be proud of their country, history and their people, and for this you need to know history.
      1. Egoza
        Egoza 18 November 2013 10: 26
        +7
        Quote: Bezarius
        Our people need to learn to be proud of their country, history and their people, and for this you need to know history.

        For this you need to return the USSR! As there professor Polezhaev said in the film "Deputy of the Baltic"?
        “Gentlemen! ..... I did not make a reservation. I tell you - to workers and workers, peasants and peasant women, soldiers and sailors ... You are masters and true gentlemen in the sixth part of the world ... ” And all this was in the USSR, for many of the forum participants.
        1. ivshubarin
          ivshubarin 18 November 2013 10: 31
          +2
          It’s hard, they won’t let us unite
      2. Anper
        Anper 18 November 2013 14: 57
        +4

        It's nice when people adequately understand the situation.
    3. APES
      APES 18 November 2013 10: 50
      +5
      Quote: Valery Neonov
      people are to blame again


      Well, yes, some kind of article - veiledly wants to provoke another feeling of guilt ...
      1. Astartes
        Astartes 18 November 2013 12: 15
        +3
        What are you people !!! The article is not about feeling guilty before visitors, but about not using migrant workers as slaves. Arrange entry for people who want to work, formalize them officially, hire only specialists, open courses in various specialties. Then it will be possible to take taxes from them, and adequate people will come.
        1. antiaircrafter
          antiaircrafter 18 November 2013 17: 13
          0
          Quote: Astartes
          open courses in various specialties

          and who is stopping them from learning? Pay - teach.
          Or again at our expense?
        2. Egen
          Egen 19 November 2013 05: 32
          0
          Quote: Astartes
          The article is not about feeling guilty before visitors, but about not using migrant workers as slaves

          If everything were so simple :(
          You see, the namesake, in fact the trick is that migrant workers are cheaper. And if, as you suggest, how will they differ from the local population? What then will be the benefit for employers? Then you just need to equalize the visitors - to give the same rights with the local and further on a common basis. As was the case among the republics under the Union. But now something like that will not work :(
    4. Sasha 19871987
      Sasha 19871987 18 November 2013 12: 06
      +3
      I AM RUSSIAN!!! I am proud of this and I have nothing to add ...
    5. varov14
      varov14 18 November 2013 15: 56
      0
      Why Soviet, the author means, do not grasp what you read.
  2. vlad0
    vlad0 18 November 2013 09: 25
    31
    And who are the hard workers from Central Asia driving here? That's right, yourself! They themselves created unbearable living conditions for themselves, planted parasites-parasites with their endless relatives on their necks, drove out all the Russian-speaking people who created cities and industries, and now lament how bad they feel. At the same time, no one wants to hit a finger on a finger in order to change something in their own country for the better. Their mentality is to come to everything ready.
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak 18 November 2013 09: 36
      28
      Quote: vlad0
      And who are the hard workers from Central Asia driving here?


      And when did these gifted Russians kill and persecute what they were thinking about?
      in 1990 During the three winter days, from February 12 to 14, a monstrous wave of Russian-speaking pogroms swept through Dushanbe. Today no one can say exactly how many people died
      By the end of the 1990s, the share of representatives of Slavic ethnic groups among the population of Tajikistan decreased from 3,7 to 0,4 percent, and the share of Tatars from 1,0 to 0,2 percent.

      I have a question, why do not Russians take revenge? And you don’t have to go anywhere. They are already here. Only extinct. But this is for now .....
      1. Same lech
        Same lech 18 November 2013 09: 44
        +3
        The situation in some of our cities is much worse than you think.
        Watch this video is a very unpleasant sight.

        http://www.yapfiles.ru/show/736909/4c4f6f5eaeacf9c866b11cf66f0937cd.flv.html
        1. Asgard
          Asgard 18 November 2013 10: 31
          11
          The Chechens came to us ...
          Someone climbed into them at night in motorbike comforters and knocked out their knees with bits and reinforcement (in full accordance with the Video, they shot it on the video (somewhere lies))
          And all the Chechens left, though they complained to the cops, but they reluctantly investigated and closed the case)))
          There are no Chechens in Louhi)))))And h ... they’re not going to be organized because WHO is watching this))))
          1. Same lech
            Same lech 18 November 2013 10: 40
            +1
            I agree, but in this I am more concerned about the spinelessness of people who are humiliating as they want, well, you can’t lower yourself below the baseboard, especially from such rats.
          2. Landwarrior
            Landwarrior 18 November 2013 19: 19
            +2
            Quote: Asgard
            There are no Chechens in Louhi)))))

            Well, in Loukhi, it’s good that nature is around ... If something ... Well, a man came out into the forest, got lost ... sometimes wink laughing
            But in Olonets they are ... like ... a lot in general. And the girls in hijabs, too ... a lot ... No.
          3. EdwardTich68
            EdwardTich68 18 November 2013 20: 31
            +2
            You are very angry there in Louhi, not without reason your village is named after the Finnish witch.
            1. EdwardTich68
              EdwardTich68 19 November 2013 00: 17
              +1
              Kalevala is our tradition lol
          4. EdwardTich68
            EdwardTich68 19 November 2013 00: 34
            +1
            Well, brotherly help is needed?
        2. Nikaviz
          Nikaviz 18 November 2013 10: 42
          13
          In my youth ... it was the 70-80s that were yard, district, youth groups ... and if THIS would come out then ... THE BEST option for them .. is a wheelchair.
        3. mamba
          mamba 18 November 2013 10: 52
          13
          Quote: The same LYOKHA
          Watch this video is a very unpleasant sight.

          Caucasians are traditionally strong Kodla against two young boys. A vile and vile way of self-assertion. Where are the local nationalists? Here are all the faces for the educational process.
    2. Egoza
      Egoza 18 November 2013 10: 35
      +7
      Quote: vlad0
      And who are the hard workers from Central Asia driving here? That's right, yourself! They themselves created unbearable living conditions for themselves, planted parasites-parasites on their necks with their endless relatives,

      I don't quite agree with you. We can just as well speak of Russia. "Who put the thieves deputies with their endless relatives on their necks? Who created the conditions of life unbearable for the people?" It's just that the people there were even easier to break, because "historical memory" worked. And in Russia the people are essentially different, and the country will be "bigger".
      First of all, the implementation of the migration law is necessary to illegal there were no migrants. And here you have to ask your officials. Although it may be beneficial for the authorities to incite "their own against the newcomers." Otherwise, God forbid, they will unite and show "Kuz'kina's mother" to officials and Co.
      1. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker 18 November 2013 10: 42
        +6
        Quote: Egoza
        One can just as well speak of Russia. "Who put the thieves deputies with their endless relatives on their necks? Who created the conditions of life unbearable for the people?" It's just that the people there were even easier to break, tk. "historical memory" worked

        And you can do it even easier.
        You stand in line in a store where a migrant (s) sells, or you pass by a migrant cleaner (s), do not be lazy, say the blessed "Suitcase, station, Churkestan".
        It will not become sweeter in the mouth just from the word "halva" said a hundred times. But tell the man a hundred times "pig", and he, most likely, will grunt.
        Yes, I admit, it looks ugly ... But it is quite tolerant and, even, loyal.
      2. vlad0
        vlad0 18 November 2013 12: 48
        +5
        "I don't quite agree with you. You can just as well speak about Russia." Who put the thieves deputies with their endless relatives on their necks? "


        Right! But only we did not kill anyone in whole villages (in Tajikistan, according to official data, more than 91 thousand died from 97 to 150 years !!!!), we did not expel anyone from their houses and apartments with the words "Suitcase-station-Russia!" with the fanatical confidence that without the Russians everything would be great at once, and then they did not crawl to them on their knees, "Give me work, nothing to eat."
        We have big problems, I agree, but we ourselves solve them, and we solve here, rather than going west or to China.
        1. sashka
          sashka 18 November 2013 13: 13
          +1
          Girl you are talking nonsense.
      3. vlad0
        vlad0 18 November 2013 12: 50
        0
        "I don't quite agree with you. You can just as well speak about Russia." Who put the thieves deputies with their endless relatives on their necks? "


        Right! But only we did not kill anyone in whole villages (in Tajikistan, according to official data, more than 91 thousand died from 97 to 150 years !!!!), we did not expel anyone from their houses and apartments with the words "Suitcase-station-Russia!" with the fanatical confidence that without the Russians everything would be great at once, and then they did not crawl to them on their knees, "Give me work, nothing to eat."
        We have big problems, I agree, but we ourselves solve them, and we solve here, rather than going west or to China.
    3. SPLV
      SPLV 18 November 2013 12: 48
      +5
      They do not come to everything ready. They flee from the void. A lot of money is needed for the revolution, but there is nothing - that’s what they are running. Instead of admitting their international agreements with Russia, it would be necessary to set an ultimatum: either be part of Russia with the transfer of power - or we will not be allowed to work. How was the annexation of Georgia? They were cut by the Turks, the Persians, and each other themselves. And then they became part of Russia and they were happy until the stupid people in power were not.
    4. varov14
      varov14 18 November 2013 17: 34
      0
      So our mentality is no different. Either the state organizes production, or business, i.e. money is the organizer. On my own, at best, I can sew either "boots" or "bras". Imagine everyone doing this - this is a society of the absurd, the Middle Ages. It turns out that either the state or business organizes the work of people. But if the first has been eliminated and reproduces only its subservient, and the second does not want, it’s enough to get a haircut, where the people are, in that very place.
    5. Egen
      Egen 19 November 2013 08: 03
      0
      Quote: vlad0
      And who are the hard workers from Central Asia driving here?

      hi I agree. They are not brought here by force in wagons or as the Chinese used to be in double sides of ships. Yes, the circumstances are such that they are forced to migrate in order to earn families a piece of bread. But do we, Russians, force us? Are we to blame for the collapse of the Union and the creation of poor republics? But they are far from the way and not poor. In Central Asia, what a huge mining complex! And where are they now? Most of them are not there, but which remained in the hands of some Indian. And who is to blame for having sold the national wealth? Who is to blame for not becoming _national_? How bad things are in Russia, the Russians themselves are shouting that we are to blame for the fact that such a government was allowed, etc. And then it turns out, too, are we to blame for their troubles? Well at least the ruins of the church are not sewn :) (From the Caucasian captive)
      It turns out how: the people are angry with their government which, okay, was not chosen, but imposed; running away from his problems in Russia - it’s also clear, along the path of least resistance; but they do not take out the hidden anger on their own culprits, but on the Russians? From a psychological point of view, it seems to be understandable - here they are fattening and we barely live near. But why does the author also blame the Russians? There are, as always, 2 parties.
      And as always, the truth is somewhere ... on the side :)
      ... and people are different. Let's take a good example - the United States. The situation is exactly the same. In the 90s, how many people from Russia (and any other countries that were falling apart then), by hook or by crook, moved to the United States. Probably there the attitude of "average" Americans to Russian migrants was similar. Yes, and then we often did not understand - how is it that some lawyer or doctor bathes in money, cars, nothing in comparison with us, without straining, and then our doctors did not receive a salary at all and worked from morning to night. Of course it was a shame. But some people got together and worked hard to achieve something, while others got angry and went to the "Russian mafia" :) So, you don't need to level everyone, people are all different ...
      1. de_monSher
        de_monSher 19 November 2013 08: 56
        0
        Most of them are not there, but which remained in the hands of some Indian.


        Nuuuu ... if you are talking about that same Hindu, Lakshmi Mittal, then he doesn’t have any assets and real estate in Central Asia. He owns mines in Ukraine, in Kazakhstan = and Kazakhstan, nevertheless, agree not to Central Asia =, in Poland, the Czech Republic, Germany and Russia.

        And what does Central Asia have to do with it? You, tell only the truth, and I personally, to you, will have no questions. You see, nothing but ownership of the subsoil, did not raise a question for me. Just you so, talk blamelessly, someone else will quote you, and so it goes, it goes - a new "true" fantasy will become "reality".
        1. de_monSher
          de_monSher 19 November 2013 09: 06
          0
          Probably there the attitude of "average" Americans to Russian migrants was similar.


          No. So what, what, but the average American is completely indifferent to this issue. The average American, in general, needs very little from life. So few that sometimes you go nuts. However, by the way, like average Russian. And why? Because both the average American and the average Russian, first of all, are Humans. And they humanly need a little happiness, now, in their hands. And everything else, for which you are breaking spears here, they are near bird.

          Well, you, dear, who are most active on the site "speaks", just most often erroneously, consider yourself, your immediate environment, your slightly wider environment, even a slightly wider environment ... = and so, to the state border = the navel of the Universe ... At the same time, it is worth noting that in case of any trouble, you very quickly, like an onion husk, and all layers by layers - you drop all the "distant" environments, then the near ones, even closer ... while in the center of your Best-in-the-World -Universe, only you yourself, so dearly loved by yourself, will not stay ... *) That's your whole truth of life ... The rest is all chatter, flood and provocation ... *))
          1. Egen
            Egen 19 November 2013 12: 52
            0
            Quote: de_monSher
            Well, you, dear, who most actively "speaks" on the site, are simply mistaken most often

            uh again sorry about what? :) Unfortunately, I rarely appear on the site at all :( Do you happen to confuse me with anyone? :)
            Quote: de_monSher
            So what, what, but the average American is completely indifferent to this issue.

            I don’t know I don’t know ... I have different impressions of the Americans and also about who is considered "average". And when. This concept changes depending on both time and place - both the state and the city in it. That is, from the external environment. Just don't say that all people are the same :)
            Specific examples - according to our own sample, may not be quite representative, but still.
            1993, New England / NY. (I studied there, do not think what :)) The attitude of the university youth was generally neutral, with the exception of blacks, well, those are exactly what "the navels of the earth" to everyone :) IMHO, education and open-mindedness affected. But the rest of the youth - both working and younger - 75% negative. Because they knew us then only from the films Rambo and Red Heat. The adult population - on the contrary, 75% do not care, 10% are loyal, the rest are ardent convinced opponents. IMHO here the accuracy of residence, and the difficulty of finding a job, etc.
            The other side is California and before Mexico, 1999. The society is more stratified, the richer people look down on them (the West, however :)), and it is simpler - with interest. There are no shakes, there are more distances, people think more. Middle class - teachers, for example. Yes, at first glance, they are indifferent and generally calm. But you probably talked a little ... or drank little :) Not everyone, but oh, how many people have a lot of their own opinions in their bosom, ranging from the relationship between Clinton and Monica and ending with the Cuban missile crisis, for which, the opinion, they are a little not ready to gnaw the throat. Although outwardly in a normal setting, they are very nice people. Don't say that the Russians are the same behind the bottle :) It's not that, we can quarrel and hug for "respect" in a minute :), but here - inner conviction ... Sorry, I can't describe in words :(
            1. de_monSher
              de_monSher 19 November 2013 18: 14
              0
              But you probably talked a little ... or drank a little :)


              Hello again. You know - yes, I drank a little. And not because there, a Muslim or a supporter of a healthy lifestyle, but simply because I can’t organically tolerate alcohol. Beer, first of all - I don’t recognize it at all. Perhaps he is to blame - the first moment of an occasion for an intimate conversation, I myself reject the move. But you know, and to hell with him, I am a sociable person - I can talk without heating. Only now I hate to constantly talk about religion, money and ... business, although he is inseparable from money. To me, you see, it’s interesting to consider the model ummmmm ... one God, the Demiurge. Consider what is the development of this creature, and in general - is this concept applicable, development, in relation to God. Talk about the devil from a metaphysical point of view. Or they’ll just bother about seven, but not about money and broads, but in general - even as if about nothing, but a lot. Everything rests on metaphysics. The average American had big problems with this. Well, about the women I generally keep quiet. When you look into her pretty eyes, and you see emptiness behind them, and think what to take from her - just having closed your eyes to fuck, or to surrender to the Red Army? And even the smell from her is not female, but some kind of ... ummm ... artificial through and through, but I remembered that a week the Lion Cub was driving with me in the car, and it smelled, to my surprise, burnt rosin. A similar association. At this moment, you begin to understand that e-may, you sailed ... *)) And this is no longer funny ...

              And ... the whole world, because the shas becomes so ... mdya ... all the people of this world ...
              1. Egen
                Egen 20 November 2013 06: 53
                0
                Quote: de_monSher
                To me, you see, it’s interesting to consider the model ummmmm ... one God, the Demiurge

                Ah, hmm, well, yes ... I'm a little not about that, not so deep ... Here, I agree, even though Americans, even people from other Western countries, let's say, don't think much. No, there is, I have met people in the States who are "looking for the meaning of life", but few and they are mostly closer to science or teaching. For the most part, the people live and live, not really thinking about SENSE. In general, I somehow had a theory that in _property countries_ people simply have no reason to think deeply, while in _poor_ - the external environment forces them.
                Quote: de_monSher
                And ... the whole world, because the shas becomes so ... mdya ... all the people of this world ...

                That you respected are right :( But this is a completely different story ...
        2. Egen
          Egen 19 November 2013 12: 32
          0
          Quote: de_monSher
          if you are talking about that very Hindu, Lakshmi Mittal, then he has no assets and real estate in Central Asia. He owns mines in Ukraine, in Kazakhstan = and Kazakhstan, nevertheless, agree not Central Asia =,

          In general, yes, I had in mind :) Personally, my personal attitude towards him is ambiguous ... I studied his success in business from the bottom a little here ... Well, this is a separate topic, even the professors in MIRBIS argue :) But I wrote - " some ", and not specifically him. For me personally, excuse me, Kazakhstan certainly differs from its neighbors, but geographically not very far :) If not Indians, then Koreans or even Chinese - what a big difference, the economy is not in the hands of the people or the government ...
          Quote: de_monSher
          You, speak only the truth, and I personally, to you, will not have any questions. You see, nothing but the ownership of the subsoil raised my question. You just blurt it out groundlessly, someone else will quote you, and so it goes, it goes - a new "true" fantasy will become "reality".

          - But this is you, excuse me, about what?
          1. de_monSher
            de_monSher 19 November 2013 16: 54
            0
            - But this is you, excuse me, about what?


            I'm talking about fantasies and about the intentional or unintentional distortion of recent history. Dashed off a huge post ... of 5 points. The system crashed, and all my writings flew down the drain ... *) Damn, I don’t want to rewrite this business anymore. Just a brief summary.

            1. For Uzbekistan, I can say that not a single foreign state or private company has the right to conduct business activities in the development of mineral resources. Only if the controlling stake is in the hands of Uzbekistan. And at the same time, Russia is the most represented in this sector of the economy of Uzbekistan. For Turkmenistan, Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan, and even more so for Kazakhstan, I will not say anything. Since I’m afraid to enter into a shaky path of fantasy and speculation. Let the citizens of these countries themselves express their opinion on the situation.

            2. Someone before you fantasized that Central Asia in general, and Uzbekistan in particular, destroyed the USSR, and now for the majority of Russian citizens this is an indisputable truth. But look at the dates of independence - Russia on June 12, 1990, and Uzbekistan - on September 1, 1991, and all fantasies are dispelled. About "loyalty". Russia was the first to carry out a massive currency attack on ALL CIS countries in the mid-90s, throwing a lot of old money into "fraternal" republics, from Ukraine and Belarus, to Tajikistan and Uzbekistan, and carrying out a lightning-fast exchange of banknotes. At the same time, the operation was carried out against the background of oath assurances that this would never happen - "the ruble zone is our everything!" The collapse of the economy in Uzbekistan from this action was catastrophic. How can you be "loyal" to a state that has declared war, albeit a currency one, to its neighbors, explain? At the same time, the funny thing is, despite the huge losses from this unfriendly action, the CIS countries were quite friendly and treat Russia.

            There were three more points, but perhaps I will not give them already ...

            Like that...
            1. Egen
              Egen 20 November 2013 07: 51
              0
              Quote: de_monSher
              I'm talking about fantasies and about the intentional or unintentional distortion of recent history.

              Dear Cher, you know, I have always respected people and the history of the Central Asian republics. Under the USSR, I also dreamed of traveling by car on a road trip to see Tashkent, Bukhara, Samarkand, the Aral, the Silk Road ... it didn’t work out :(
              ... but after relatives knew they had just fled from Kyrgyzstan ... and in Tajikistan and in Ferghana you weren’t so hot ... somehow, culture and people began to share history :( No offense, what to do - stereotype :) As Comrade said Yakovlev, it’s easy to destroy, rebuilding is difficult (C With light steam)
              1. de_monSher
                de_monSher 20 November 2013 08: 03
                0
                Do not be offended what to do - a stereotype :)


                Yes, I understand everything ... Life is life, and there are always worldview patterns in it ... Although it sounds strange to me ... *) Just the three points that flew under the tail of the cat were just about stereotypes. Ex ... bad to be lazy. And Hello, by the way ... *)


                PS: And about Ferghana - I myself have not been torn to pieces there just a little, just because I had Tashkent numbers in my car - this was the first irritant. Yes, and I speak Uzbek, not to say that it is so very good, but so-so - mediocre, to my shame. This was the second irritant. Mdya ... it was a matter, but for a long time. The last 15 years, this does not seem to be there, it was not and it seems that it is not expected.

                Like that...
    6. Sasha 19871987
      Sasha 19871987 19 November 2013 10: 03
      +1
      These "poor" Azerbaijanis and others themselves drove thousands of Russians out on the pretext that there was only work for their own people ... now they themselves come to us and cry ... they come in large numbers in general ...
  3. experienced
    experienced 18 November 2013 09: 25
    27
    Surprisingly, why do Russians "hang" care about the lives of ordinary citizens of other states? I do not want to watch films about the life of an ordinary Uzbek (Tajik). I want them to live in their homeland, and not jackals in Russia, I do not want to remember how they treated the Russians in a "burst of sovereignty", but I will never forget that !!!
    1. DPN
      DPN 18 November 2013 09: 55
      +3
      [quote = seasoned] how they treated the Russians in a "burst of sovereignty", but I will never forget that !!!
      But didn’t we Russians brew this porridge in the head with Yeltsin, and now we are reaping these fruits. In a place to look for a way out of this situation. Russia has everything for a better life and the bulk of the population lives worse than Indians.
      1. alicante11
        alicante11 18 November 2013 10: 59
        +8
        Maybe we, but WE didn't cut them, although we could, or within 24 hours all of non-Slavic appearance to leave Russia, and then catch them to the nearest border. But we didn't do that, unlike THEM. If they are so good - Soviet fraternal peoples, then they would have organized in 91 and went to Moscow and turned their heads off to EBN and his State Department boys, they had a lot of troops there. And under the red banner and with the slogan "Let's save the USSR", they would have been greeted with bread and salt, and not with machine guns.
      2. MahsusNazar
        MahsusNazar 18 November 2013 11: 03
        14
        In 1990, in Dushanbe, then still Soviet, VVshniki took the Russians out, saving them from pogroms.
        They themselves wanted independence, they got it, why did the Russians miss them again? I grew up in Tashkent, I am fluent in Uzbek, I can speak Kazakh and Kyrgyz, I respect their customs and culture, but I don’t need to tell me that I want to see slaves. These claims are not to me and my friends. Not to my children.
      3. consul
        consul 18 November 2013 11: 33
        +2
        Quote: DPN
        But didn’t we Russians brew this porridge in the head with Yeltsin

        No, not us. No one "at the top" was interested in our opinion (otherwise the state would not have collapsed) at that time, and even now it is the same.
      4. 11111mail.ru
        11111mail.ru 18 November 2013 17: 45
        0
        Quote: DPN
        But didn’t we Russians brew this porridge in the head with Yeltsin, and now we are reaping these fruits

        There is no need to appoint some Russians as switchmen! The national elites were the mainstay of the Yeltsinoids. Remember how this shouted from the balcony: "grab as much sovereignty as you can swallow." The technique is the same as in 1917. First, the collapse of the state, then the war, then the distribution of concessions to sponsors, the looting of movable and immovable, and most importantly, all the dirty work should be done by our own hands.
        Quote: DPN
        Russia has everything for a better life and the bulk of the population lives worse than Indians.

        Hindus, by the way, are also different: brahmins, ksatriyas ..., and finally, sudras (untouchables). It seems that in 1950 the caste division was abolished, but prejudice does not quickly disappear.
        1. de_monSher
          de_monSher 18 November 2013 18: 01
          +1
          It’s not necessary to appoint only Russian switchmen! Support eltsinoidov were national elites.


          There is no need to rewrite history, for your own sake - especially through thoughtlessness. "National elites" could not be the support of EBN - because they looked at him the way he deserved - as a constantly drunken idiot. So, do not, wishful thinking... The support of the Yeltsinoids were completely different people, and look for them in Russia, more precisely - in Moscow, or in other countries "friendly" to Russia on both sides of the ocean. By the way, the "national elites" looked at Gorbachev in the same way. You can cite as an example the words of Yegor Ligachev = in my opinion, these are his memories =, as at one of the plenary sessions of the Central Committee, Islam Karimov said in a private conversation, “Where did you get this and-d-e-o-t-ah ?! do not remove, it will not end well! ". And this was said long before the collapse of the USSR.

          If you advocate chauvinism and nationalism - for God's sake, this is YOUR own business. And no one will say a word to you. But at the same time, it’s not worth it to distort the history and lie at every step. For you personally, this will not end in good. And this is not a threat, but simply a statement of facts. You cannot build the truth on a lie - it will fall apart at any moment, and it will not be good for everyone, especially for yourself, but even bad.

          Like that...
  4. ivshubarin
    ivshubarin 18 November 2013 09: 32
    12
    I don’t know about you, but on our watch, Uzbeks and Tajiks live in eurocars, eat in the same dining room as we eat pork and drink vodka, what slavery? The salary is the same as ours, because there is no one to work
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 18 November 2013 09: 37
      +3
      Quote: ivshubarin
      and eat pork

      wassat Are you Orthodox there or something? laughing
      1. SEM
        SEM 18 November 2013 09: 47
        +4
        Hunger is not aunt, but it is not forbidden for a real Muslim in case of need or illness ... (sorry if he offended someone)
      2. ivshubarin
        ivshubarin 18 November 2013 09: 47
        +5
        It’s just that no one is cooking separately for them, but you want to eat
        1. avg
          avg 18 November 2013 09: 56
          +5
          That's right, as in CA.
          1. ivshubarin
            ivshubarin 18 November 2013 10: 02
            +6
            Which of them served in the CA more educated, there are specialists by profession, who were born after the USSR, most of them are wild and not literate
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        2. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 18 November 2013 10: 21
          +1
          Quote: ivshubarin
          , but I want to eat

          Well, with food it’s clear, and vodka like thirst laughing
          1. ivshubarin
            ivshubarin 18 November 2013 10: 25
            +3
            To sugare, frosts are already over twenty
          2. alone
            alone 18 November 2013 21: 28
            +1
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Well, with food it’s clear, and vodka like thirst


            laughing
            Well, I can’t say anything about the Uzbeks and Tajiks, they lived their time in the USSR, for example, the Iranians have much more vodka for us than our drinkers. like the citizens of the Islamic republic)))
      3. sasska
        sasska 18 November 2013 11: 08
        +7
        I remembered the service in the SA: "Allah is far away, he does not see!"
    2. Egen
      Egen 19 November 2013 12: 56
      0
      Quote: ivshubarin
      on our watch, Uzbeks and Tajiks live in eurocars, eat in the same dining room as we eat pork and drink vodka, what slavery? The salary is the same as ours, because there is no one to work

      Ivan, for interest, it is possible in more detail - where is your watch and what kind of watch? Well, zpl at the same time :) We also have a watch and Ermak cars, but there is not enough experienced people: (Although, I'm lying - a mortarman from Kazakhstan :)
  5. SEM
    SEM 18 November 2013 09: 35
    14
    If someone comes to us, then they must live according to our Laws, but not drag their own, and if someone doesn’t like it, let them sit at home and don’t "bother." since you are going, then get ready to live as we live at home and obey our foundations and laws so it has always been!
    1. sasska
      sasska 18 November 2013 11: 21
      +4
      when there are few cockroaches, they hide in the corners. when there are many of them, the swing of mythical "rights" begins.
      as an example, remember the Arabs in Paris.
  6. sashka
    sashka 18 November 2013 09: 41
    +7
    And now you can think about the people. A shower of two hundred and three hundred per deputy.
  7. DPN
    DPN 18 November 2013 09: 46
    -12 qualifying.
    The article is very correct, about such with such a worldview and should stand at the head of the state, in the worst case, on the president’s team. There is even such an idea recently in the USSR and Russia. The male person cannot be called otherwise and basically plays to the collapse of the country.
    Maybe it's time to look for Catherine?
    1. alicante11
      alicante11 18 November 2013 11: 02
      +4
      Nobody drags them to our ears. If there are no gasters, employers will be forced to raise salaries and introduce social packages. There, the article was about Kronstadt janitors ...
      1. Liss.
        Liss. 18 November 2013 11: 24
        +9
        I was in Kronstadt in September, there are even some casters in red vests.
        Picked asphalt.
        Probably not from the utilities.

        In general, gaster fill the "void".
        It is not necessary to deal with those who are "emptiness" fills, but with those who this "emptiness"creates.

        "If there is no water in the tap ..." - it means that the utilities are to blame,
        not the ones you rhyme with.
        1. alicante11
          alicante11 18 November 2013 11: 45
          -1
          I was in Kronstadt in September, there are even some casters in red vests.


          Well, then either the article is lying or you are.

          In general, gaster fill the "void".
          It is necessary to deal not with those who fill the "void", but with those who create this "void".


          Heck, it's a reciprocal process. If they had not been driving, then it would not have been possible to "create" this "emptiness". who are ready to cash in on fools have been, are and will always be. So are the fools they exploit. But why should I shed crocodile tears for them?
          1. Liss.
            Liss. 18 November 2013 13: 41
            +3
            Quote: alicante11
            Well, then either the article is lying or you are.

            You are very categorical.
            Read carefully: "If they are not in the housing and communal services of Kronstadt, this does not mean that they do not work in the Kronstadt DRSU."

            Quote: alicante11
            Heck, it's a reciprocal process. If they had not been driving, then it would not have been possible to "create" this "emptiness"

            Oh, you are a philosopher "Which comes first: an egg or a chicken."
            They enter the "vacant hole" and do not create a "hole" by their arrival.
            Mom, didn’t you put a patch on your pants in advance?
            You not only poison mice, but also hide products from them, caulk a mink?
            So it is necessary to "caulk" the vacant void, often artificially made.

            Quote: alicante11
            Like the fools they exploit
            Make it clear who these fools that the Gaster exploit?

            Quote: alicante11
            But why should I shed crocodile tears on them?

            Pouring, of course, is not necessary. You just have to comply with your own laws, and not trade in benefits that these laws allow you to circumvent.

            I am not inspired by somehow drunken pogroms with the aim of "wetting a chock" of those who have gone bad.
            This is a steam whistle. Someone needs muddy water.
            Someone needs to redirect discontent.
            Someone is satisfied with the "mess" at the entrance to the country and in the field of labor resources.
  8. Humen
    Humen 18 November 2013 09: 52
    +8
    And once again they are trying to hammer us in that we MUST take care of someone. But for some reason, at the official level, almost everyone says that we are bad, that when they were part of the USSR, everything was bad, and now it’s almost an earthly paradise. But they require money for household appliances, since you should take care of us, forgetting that they are already independent states. The only thing I agree with is that slavery must be removed and we can do without them.
  9. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 18 November 2013 09: 55
    +8
    Let them, at least for now, deal with their problems, we have enough of ours here in Russia, let them build at least feudalism, at least capitalism, but the future of Uzbeks or Tajiks does not bother me a little, I do not understand why it is me Wanted independence, got it, it's too late to drink "Borjomi" when the kidneys have already fallen off. There is a certain limit on "migrant slaves", welcome, you don't want to, that's what you don't need, but no one is going to come here by force. desert to the sheep, otherwise we have enough "dancers" of our own in Russia. And then if, in addition to the huge corruption, the pathological idiocy of the entire vertical of power and its absolute helplessness, the crumbling infrastructure, huge social problems and another 100500 various problems that the common people will have to solve as a result, if we still have to deal with the "mental anguish" of migrants, I even I don't know how long we'll last.
  10. dmb
    dmb 18 November 2013 09: 56
    +5
    Dear colleagues! Although, at times, your reproaches against migrants are quite fair, none of you refuted what was said in the article. Isn't the author right when he asserts that illegal migration is produced exclusively by our compatriots, who are ready to choke on greed? Or she is disingenuous, saying that migrant labor is paid as slave labor (one watch does not count). How many of you will be happy if his children will sweep the streets for the salary of a migrant? I think that even for a higher salary, you will not want this. And who among you welcomed the Chechen "farmers" who had Ryazan and Tula in slavery? Let's be objective.
    1. antiaircrafter
      antiaircrafter 18 November 2013 10: 43
      +3
      Quote: dmb
      Or she is cunning, saying that migrant labor is paid as slave labor (one shift does not count).

      Come on?!
      My friend hired two Uzbeks to his sawmill. Clear the stump illegally. The prices for the work are the same as for the local ones. He built a hut with a stove (of course amenities are minimal, but no pay. People work, live and enjoy.
      1. Liss.
        Liss. 18 November 2013 11: 31
        0
        Question: What will your friend do with an Uzbek if he suddenly breaks his leg?
        Take your time with an answer.
        1. ivshubarin
          ivshubarin 18 November 2013 11: 55
          +2
          In Japan, a comrade broke his leg, went to the hospital, the Japanese broke the price so much that he had to jump on one for two weeks. This is to ensure that only we Russians help everyone for free
        2. antiaircrafter
          antiaircrafter 18 November 2013 17: 47
          +1
          Quote: Liss.
          What will your friend do with an Uzbek if he suddenly breaks his leg?

          Shoot, naturally.
          I think the Uzbek will not be left to the mercy of fate. In our village, ishsho did not reach the level: man is a wolf to man.
      2. dmb
        dmb 18 November 2013 12: 38
        +2
        If possible, try to answer the question. Why did your friend need to hire two Uzbeks, risking fines for their illegal labor, and even spend money on building a hut for them, when there is unemployment in the country, and he pays them the same way as local fellow citizens, in a hut not needy. Without these intriguing details, your story strongly resembles the saga of a grandfather who "broke horseshoes, bent dimes and got married at 90 at ninety-five and gave birth to a son."
        1. Liss.
          Liss. 18 November 2013 14: 05
          -1
          I will answer for the author:
          1. There are no taxes from either the owner or the farm laborers.
          2. The work is not standardized, "from-to" no.
          3. No holidays-christening-housewarming (they live in a non-native environment, they are afraid to stick their nose out of the hut).
          4. On issues of illness, injury, vacation - "sucker".
          5. Hut, feeding, bath-your problems.
          6. Complete harmony - do not like it, tries!
        2. antiaircrafter
          antiaircrafter 18 November 2013 17: 41
          0
          Quote: dmb
          Why did your friend need to hire two Uzbeks

          The regionist is depressed, his fellow citizens who are at least capable of traveling go to work in Moscow. The local drunk got her binges, but she needs to work.
          The risk of fines is actually minimal, because the king is far away ... However, as far as everything is illegal I do not know exactly, maybe legal Uzbeks.
          Quote: dmb
          when the country's unemployment

          Not a single local ishcho was denied work; there was only one requirement - not to thump and work.
          For Liss:
          1. The company is registered. values ​​pay something.
          2. Standard work shifts, like local ones. In view of that. that they live in production, they undertake any additional work, for a surcharge, of course.
          3. At the expense of christening-holidays-housewarming, without problems within reasonable limits.
          4. Solving the issue of medical care is not the employer's task (with the exception of industrial injuries), they earn money - they can pay for the services of doctors.
          5. Housing is provided, they themselves take care of feeding, like the locals, they are allowed into the municipal bathhouse, they are able to pay for the wash.
          6. Absolutely any employer.
  11. sashka
    sashka 18 November 2013 10: 00
    +8
    Output. Go to the elections. Change not the situation, but the "rulers" who have shown their effectiveness.
    1. 787nkx
      787nkx 18 November 2013 14: 53
      +1
      And if there is no one to choose from?
      There are no heroes of our time.
  12. Kazakh
    Kazakh 18 November 2013 10: 07
    17
    The bestial exploitation of people from Central Asia must be put to an end. Looking for workers, but not willing? Invite people from other countries - just provide them with a normal salary and living conditions, organize everything you need to learn the language and adapt.
    Where does the author live? First, the Russians oppressed them locally, all the Russians left, so these masochists began to come to us so that they would oppress us here. Tell me where to go now so as not to oppress anyone?
  13. alebor
    alebor 18 November 2013 10: 14
    +7
    In many respects I agree with the author of the article, but I strongly disagree with the proposals at the end that in the future it is necessary not only to attract "guest workers" but also to facilitate their adaptation. That is, to do everything in order to populate Russia with Asians, help them settle down and settle down. Migrants must be gradually eliminated. Each year, quotas should be gradually reduced, ideally to 0. If normal wages are paid, there will be workers without migrants. But where do the normal salaries come from if migrants are ready to work for a penny? In this respect, Japan is an example, where the law requires low-wage foreign workers to receive higher wages than the Japanese. This makes it unprofitable for entrepreneurs to hire foreigners (this does not apply to highly qualified foreign specialists). Dumping is eliminated and wages are maintained at a fairly high level. This contributes to an increase in labor productivity (which, by the way, is extremely low in Russia). Of course, one cannot get rid of migrants all at once, it should be a state policy designed for many years. But no measures should be taken to "adapt" migrants. Migrants must be temporary workers, "shabashniks" who come for a short time to earn extra money. In no case should the conditions be created for them to settle here forever and then receive more citizenship. It is a crime to populate Russia with strangers.
  14. IRBIS
    IRBIS 18 November 2013 10: 18
    21
    "Have you seen how the vast majority of migrants live? Overcrowded basements and sheds, crowded and unsanitary conditions, complete dependence on the" slave owners "and their managers."

    And we didn't invite them. Let them stay at home, in their "independent" republics, from where they survived the Russians, who worked at the enterprises. Now what has collapsed, and their leaders find it easier to point the finger at Russia as a source of income, rather than rebuilding their industry.

    "There are no migrants. There are people who, out of poverty and despair, are forced to agree to anything in order to feed themselves and their families."

    How is it that there are Uzbeks, Tajiks and others in our cities, but there are no migrants? Their poverty is a problem of their states, but not of Russia at all. Why turn into a feeding trough, and that's exactly how they position our country ?!
    They "gobbled up" and spent ... or the Soviet legacy. Why now give them the opportunity to do the same with Russia?
    1. sashka
      sashka 18 November 2013 12: 00
      0
      Your anger is extremely popular. Personally, I lived in Uzbekistan for one dollar a day, because all that means nothing, you can't even buy a bottle of beer. And this is how we live .. I am Russian and the State provided me with "services", for which you cannot even take one loaf of bread. Let's laugh together ...
      1. IRBIS
        IRBIS 18 November 2013 17: 11
        0
        "Your anger is extremely popular."

        He is not "popular". He is righteous and understandable.
        Quote: Sasha
        I am Russian

        Then why didn’t you move to Russia and continue this
        Quote: Sasha
        Personally, I lived in Uzbekistan for one dollar a day.

        We are full of immigrants. Yes, they don’t bathe in champagne, but enough for bread and butter. And if there is a head on the shoulders and her hands are not from the priests, then they settled very well.
        1. sashka
          sashka 21 November 2013 07: 57
          0
          Quote: IRBIS
          Then why didn’t you move to Russia and continue this

          Moved. Two years without citizenship. This is not halam balam
  15. ed65b
    ed65b 18 November 2013 10: 21
    13
    Well, call Gastrik slaves an exaggeration. We have that the expeditionary teams go to the republics of the SA and there they take the poor Asians into slavery and then sell them on slave markets. Nothing like this. They themselves come with whole convoys and planes to us without asking us whether we want to see them or not, whether we need their help or not. their countries are in ruins and poverty, but what, is Russian to blame for this? No, their compatriots are robbing them. Indeed, in 90, when they drove the Russians out of the countries of the SA, none of them told the citizens what we were doing? And now I have to regret and warm them? bestial living conditions in Russia? A person who does not like living in a stable will not live there but will return to his homeland. and life in their own countries in the CA is not much better than the Russian environment. We can say that they live in familiar conditions. but the most important rejection by our society of SA citizens is a complete separation from our culture and language. In the days of the USSR, SA citizens could work calmly and worked in Russia and no one noticed them. The culture of behavior and mentality was the same with a difference in religion. there was a kurban-bayram - it was, but cattle were not slaughtered on the streets of Russian cities.
    1. sashka
      sashka 18 November 2013 13: 00
      +1
      I see no reason to worry .. Everything is okay freaking in power is normal?
  16. creak
    creak 18 November 2013 10: 22
    18
    It is strange that the author was so impressed with the fate of a Uigur girl from a suburb of Tashkent. Or maybe you don’t have to go this far and just go through the endangered villages of Central Russia and see what words the old people live there, talk with people in the so-called single-industry towns, what do they feel after the closure of city-forming enterprises, how are things going in the areas of the Far East that have been flooded on the eve of winter ... Didn’t there be enough time, did it all go on a trip to Tashkent? It seems that the author does not care at all, the main thing is how migrants feel ... Tired of these foolish champions of abstract universal values, they are ready to defend anyone, Chechen bandits, migrants, any, but not their own citizens.
  17. avg
    avg 18 November 2013 10: 26
    +6
    Is the author of a traction, not enough to distinguish free Uzbek workers from slaves?
    Or maybe the thing is different. For example, in this paragraph:
    Introducing one category of non-people, we open the door for the emergence of new ones - by origin, appearance, religion, sexual orientation, physical and mental health, income level, beliefs ...

    Where, having mixed blood, der.mo, sand and sugar in a heap, they try to shove the gayropian tolerance under this sauce.
  18. moskal68
    moskal68 18 November 2013 10: 46
    +3
    There are no migrants. There are people from poverty and hopelessness who are forced to agree to everything in order to feed themselves and their families. And if they speak Russian poorly, this does not mean that they are not worthy of the best. The absolute majority of our fellow citizens also do not speak any language other than their own. Yes, and exquisite manners is no different.
    The author of the article is a cheap populist. Tries to play on sympathy. Probably he lives somewhere in the outback, and therefore has no idea how these "unfortunate and poor" people behave in Moscow, for example. If he is so compassionate, then let him take five Tajiks for living and feed them and give them half of his salary. But just don't teach us how to live. And it doesn't matter if he succeeds.
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  20. ed65b
    ed65b 18 November 2013 10: 50
    +9
    And in our cities in Siberia there is no gas, in Irkutsk we drown houses with firewood. but Europe sell gas.
    1. Allex_B
      Allex_B 18 November 2013 11: 19
      +2
      Europe is already refusing our gas, so the National Treasure (the most inefficient company in the world) is constantly raising the price for the population and is already promoting prepayment, although we already pay more for gas than Europeans, if we compare revenues and expenses!
    2. alone
      alone 18 November 2013 21: 31
      0
      Quote: ed65b
      And in our cities in Siberia there is no gas, in Irkutsk we drown houses with firewood. but Europe sell gas.


      Hi Edward! Well, this is already a mess. I hope that at least the migrants are not to blame!
  21. vjatsergey
    vjatsergey 18 November 2013 10: 50
    +7
    I live in the Magadan region much deeper and we have a lot of Chinese, Tajiks and so on. But if they tried to behave impudently, they would row to the fullest. Local guys will not allow rudeness to their girls, and to other local ones too.
    1. Oskar
      Oskar 18 November 2013 11: 33
      +2
      In the whole Far East, thank God! Russians are tougher in our country than in the western part of Russia.
    2. ed65b
      ed65b 18 November 2013 12: 45
      +5
      Quote: vjatsergey
      I live in the Magadan region much deeper and we have a lot of Chinese, Tajiks and so on. But if they tried to behave impudently, they would row to the fullest. Local guys will not allow rudeness to their girls, and to other local ones too.

      Compared, "the law of the taiga is the owner of the bear." there you can "dig in" the whole of Tajikistan and will never be found.
      1. ivshubarin
        ivshubarin 18 November 2013 13: 31
        +3
        "the law of the taiga is the owner of the bear" - that's why our "guests" behave decently
  22. PureGUN
    PureGUN 18 November 2013 10: 57
    +3
    As I understand it, the Russians are to blame for everything. And the chuchmeks are white, it turns out, and so fluffy. Article of the next tolerast ?!
    1. de_monSher
      de_monSher 18 November 2013 15: 17
      +1
      As I understand it, the Russians are to blame for everything. And the chuchmeks are white, it turns out, and so fluffy.


      No, no one, now, at least in Uzbekistan, except for you Russians, and it is in Russia, does not claim that the Russians are "to blame" = Yes, and in the 90s only moral u-r-o-d-s yelled about it who got the tribune by mistake =. Individuals, not communities, are always "to blame". For example, let's look at you. Firstly nickname. "Chistogan" says that in one way or another you are connected with the thieves' environment = Even if you picked up a nickname "from the bulldozer", this is what says very much =. Albeit indirectly, but still. So it is quite acceptable for you to get money by "cash" and get away from taxes, and it is not even devoid of daring and bravado. The second conclusion from your nickname is that you also have the beginnings of "education" - you can write the English word "gun" correctly. This is about the nickname.

      Now, let's take a look at your "language". I noticed that the people coming to the site "Foreigners" in general, and Uzbeks = it does not matter, Russians, Uzbeks =, as a rule, speak in pure literary Russian language, without attempts to insult based on ethnicity. For you, to call Central Asia "chuchmek" is like two fingers on the asphalt. P-o-g-a-n-y you, personally, have a language, a human being. These are just the conclusions from your attempts to combine several words into one sentence, and nothing more. No attempts at "political, geopolitical", etc. analysis. It's just that "geopolitics" and other rubbish are made up of such trifles - such as, at least, the culture of individual citizens, which may ultimately result in at least ethnic or geopolitical domination. How can you achieve at least some kind of political, economic, etc. domination with such hysterics like you and your kind, without a culture of speech, I'm not talking about education, etc. and so on, I just don't even know to be honest ... *)

      That's something like this ... *)
  23. Belogor
    Belogor 18 November 2013 10: 59
    +3
    Again, Russia is to blame for everything ?! Must do something, must do something else and so on and so forth. Something I do not recall cases, both from a long history, and from recent, that someone would sympathize with her. Only claims from all sides. Got it !!
  24. rus9875
    rus9875 18 November 2013 11: 11
    +5
    She is right in the main thing - illegal immigrants are beneficial to our businessmen as well as cops, FMS-nicknames, owners of rubber apartments, and the authorities by and large, too, you can always say a Russian dissatisfied with wages and working conditions - “I don’t like quitting, instead of you we will hire a couple of Uzbeks "If it were not for Russia's support of the Central Asian rulers, they would have been thrown off a long time ago, and at least Uzbekistan could well provide its population with work and the Uzbeks would not have to go anywhere to earn money. But our leadership does its best to support the odious regimes for that simple because it is not without reason that they are afraid of radical Islamists coming to replace them The trouble is that the longer these regimes remain in power, the higher the likelihood of this coming, and then it will not seem to anyone.It is easy to reduce illegal migration, and there is no need to reinvent the wheel - visa regime, the issuance of work visas only with an invitation from the employer with specific periods of stay and a guarantee from the employer of payments s taxes and sending home after the expiration of the term of work Entry with foreign passports will not give anything - most illegal immigrants still travel with a passport
    1. antiaircrafter
      antiaircrafter 18 November 2013 20: 07
      +1
      Quote: rus9875
      at least Uzbekistan could well provide its population with work

      And the Uzbek h-shirts are quite suitable for wearing. Accidentally bought a couple, very satisfied.
  25. svskor80
    svskor80 18 November 2013 11: 17
    +6
    Quote: vlad0
    The bestial exploitation of people from Central Asia must be put to an end.

    Correctly. The only time when the inhabitants of Central Asia could feel like people with a capital letter was Soviet time. They themselves returned to the Middle Ages, and now they are going to Russia in order to somehow survive, but they hate Russians the most. Paradox.
  26. mountain
    mountain 18 November 2013 11: 20
    +8
    Let me be condemned and minus for the most I do not want, but I will say. Why should I and all my people be more concerned about Uzbeks, Tajiks and other former republics. Me, we have nothing more to do, but do we have our own people? Or has he already reached the peak of prosperity and his goths are ready, like an altruist to help other states, at the expense of his own people and resources? What has changed since the USSR? Who remembers those times probably did not forget that in the bazaars and markets it was possible to trade only to nationalities. But to a Russian person it’s not an arrow, not a flower, not a potato from the garden, God forbid, a fine. And again we were forced out of the markets even of our products on our own territory. And to whom do these markets belong? Russian? Give work to the Russians, pay clean, and give the surplus to those in need.
  27. Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 18 November 2013 11: 22
    11
    In fact, the situation is disgusting. We encountered something like this in the late 80s, when, as if on cue, all the media howled that we were all newcomers, that we deprived the Estonians of happiness and prosperity, having come in large numbers, etc. WE, NOT ESTONIANS, HERE ARE OFFICIALLY CALLED MIGRANTS! And the fact that we here, in the main part, did not live in the first generation, not to mention our children, this did not bother anyone. If you saw how then the titular breasts bulged out, and their shoulders straightened when they met with us. Ha, the grimace of history ... After joining the EU, they all quickly deflated, because they faced "real" Europeans, who quickly, especially at the everyday level, explained who was boss ...
  28. Sergey Medvedev
    Sergey Medvedev 18 November 2013 11: 29
    +4
    The bestial exploitation of people from Central Asia must be put to an end.

    I agree. Let our cellars go home and not litter. We will somehow live without them.
  29. Rosomaha67
    Rosomaha67 18 November 2013 11: 32
    +6
    Quote: SlavaS
    use medicine and secondary education
    , but they don’t use anything, they don’t have medical poles, and the children are at home.


    ...... yeah, they don’t use it, we have school number 15 in our city, so there is even a separate education program from everyone, its own, officially developed and approved, and it begins with the study of the Russian language. Since about 50% of 1st grade students practically do not speak Russian. The fact is that the school is located in an area of ​​compact residence of visitors from Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan and Uzbekistan. So they use education and how, well, about "guest" childbirth, everyone already knows when Uzbek and Tajik women come to give birth to Russia, and all this is paid for from our wallets !!!
    ..... so where is the slogan of the 90s "Stop feeding Russia", gentlemen sovereign may really be enough, go to China, to Europe, or better to the United States, because you love them so much !!!
  30. DAGESTAN333
    DAGESTAN333 18 November 2013 11: 33
    10
    Everyone is accustomed to scolding migrant workers and the results of their presence in the country. But no one seriously thinks that the real problem is the greed of our own entrepreneurs.
    When my friend began to think about inviting the Vietnamese to repair his house, (like he’s a thoughtful guy), I could explain to him that if he gives the Vietnamese 0,5 rubles instead of 1 rubles to the local master, it’s early or late, this code will be displayed on it itself - the Vietnamese have their own 0,5 rubles. he’ll take him out of the country, and the master’s neighbor, his 1 ruble, will spend (roughly speaking) in your own supermarket.
    1. Liss.
      Liss. 18 November 2013 14: 32
      +2
      Right to one hundred percent.
      But in order to reason like this, you must first think about the country.
      We have been taught for a long time to think about the lamb, and taught successfully.
      "Warming up" the state has become a supranational game in which entrepreneurs and government officials compete.
      The loyalty of the state to economic crimes is prohibitive.
  31. individual
    individual 18 November 2013 11: 38
    +2
    The question is: "Who abolished freedom, equality and brotherhood of all peoples in the USSR / Russia? Who said that everything that is not forbidden is permitted?"
    The ideals of the builder of socialism / communism have replaced the goal of a piece of sausage and the principle of "GET ENRICHED in any way".
    Therefore, a huge division of the people in terms of living prevalence of consumption over spirituality and morality.
    People see successful sparkling palaces and luxurious cars and yachts at the top of successful nouveaux riches, and below, the contrast of bestial existence envies the first and rejoices that it did not fall into the second category.
    This race leads to the enrichment of units of successful and complete degradation of more and more people.
    This has already passed and the cyclical nature of history shows that the "Great October" is still ahead, although it is now feeling the inevitable authorities canceled.
  32. Rosomaha67
    Rosomaha67 18 November 2013 11: 44
    +2
    Quote: dmb
    Dear colleagues! Although, at times, your reproaches against migrants are quite fair, none of you refuted what was said in the article. Isn't the author right when he asserts that illegal migration is produced exclusively by our compatriots, who are ready to choke on greed? Or she is disingenuous, saying that migrant labor is paid as slave labor (one watch does not count). How many of you will be happy if his children will sweep the streets for the salary of a migrant? I think that even for a higher salary, you will not want this. And who among you welcomed the Chechen "farmers" who had Ryazan and Tula in slavery? Let's be objective.


    .... an incorrect comparison, among the "Chechen" (by the way, the Dagestani farmers were more marked by this) farmers, our fellow countrymen were under duress, i.e. forcibly. Nobody drives Central Asians here, they go by themselves, or you will argue that they are being stolen, drunk and secretly taken out in the trunks of buses .......
  33. Klin klinovv
    Klin klinovv 18 November 2013 12: 07
    0
    Fomenko A.T. ALL PLANTED BY PLACE
    DON'T freak out !!!!!
  34. Asan Ata
    Asan Ata 18 November 2013 12: 18
    +4
    The author of the law. This phenomenon would not have happened if officials hadn’t been parasitizing on it, that is, it is the production of corruption, like the drug business, prostitution, etc. Note that the same Uzbeks and Tajiks can get to Russia only by plane, so there is a demand from your greasy-faced.
    We in Kazakhstan also have enough Tajiks, Uzbeks, Karakalpaks, and Kyrgyz. For example, Kyrgyz people work for me. They get a very good salary because they are professionals. And no one tells them - bring down, you eat our bread. Clearly, ethnically we are closer. This is one reason. Another - in Russia, in the 80-90s there was a bow of bandits and officials, which we avoided (in the early 90s we had a massive shooting of bandits, thanks to the President). If you delve into the personal affairs of those who do these things, you will be surprised to find that these are former bandits. In general, it is the work of the KGB to check personnel. So strain them, let them work.
  35. dnh70
    dnh70 18 November 2013 12: 19
    +1
    not an article, but some kind of crap, far from reality, did she communicate closely with them? .... I doubt something.
  36. sashka
    sashka 18 November 2013 13: 20
    0
    Two Uzbeks In Japan? What nonsense?
    1. sashka
      sashka 18 November 2013 13: 25
      0
      I don’t know how to answer it.
    2. ivshubarin
      ivshubarin 18 November 2013 13: 36
      +1
      There are not two of them in Japan, there are millions of them, both Azerbaijanis and Pakistanis. There are many "blacks"
    3. de_monSher
      de_monSher 18 November 2013 22: 53
      +1
      Two Uzbeks In Japan? What nonsense?


      In Japan, one of the national "fetishes" is ceramics. Every second Japanese is a ceramist. And a fairly large number of ceramists from Uzbekistan are invited to Japan, since Uzbek ceramics will give a hundred points ahead of any Japanese one = you can remember at least Gijduvan, this is Samarkand, glazed ceramics, or Fergana, etc. =. In fact, such a ceramist from Uzbekistan as Alisher Nazrullaev and many others worked in Japan for a long time. So you are delusional, human ...
  37. serge
    serge 18 November 2013 13: 52
    +4
    A veiled anti-Russian article, especially its title, in which qualities that are not inherent in them are attributed to Russians. None of the Russians put themselves above migrants. They do not like it, yes, but our people do not pretend to be gentlemen, this is simply a blatant lie. There is no legal limit on the salaries of migrants. Almost all migrants are participants in 35% criminal schemes to steal public funds or funds of large corporations. Receiving low wages, they deliberately condone theft, no matter what their motives. In addition, for the most part, migrants are the scum of society who have not been able to find themselves at home, and naturally form ethnic criminal groups already within Russia. This can be dealt with only by introducing criminal liability for violation of the passport regime. As for the authorities, they deliberately import migrants, pursuing several goals. The main tactical goal is to switch the dissatisfaction of the popular masses to racially alien elements. That is, while the media incite the masses on the Asians, the Jewish elite of the Russian executive power and the Jewish elite of Russian business can calmly steal Russian money and resources. Go crazy, 110%, more than a third (!!!) of national wealth, resources and money in Russia belongs to only XNUMX (one hundred and ten) individuals of Jewish nationality. There is no doubt that another third belongs to smaller parasites of the same nationality, and more than a hundred million Russians are left with bits of their "national" heritage. This is what the new "Russian gentlemen" are, they are bringing in guest workers, pursuing, in addition to the tactical, also the strategic goal - the destruction of the white race in general and the Russian people as the main fighter against world injustice in particular. So we must fight not with migrants, but with parasites, who drink Russian blood inside the country, and these are not Tajiks with Uzbeks.
  38. Stinger
    Stinger 18 November 2013 14: 19
    +1
    +, although not all thoughts can be agreed. The basic idea is correct. To justify the inability to work with the migration service and the lack of a clear migration policy, we are constantly being told that migrants ran in from harm themselves, interfere with work and collect in the granaries. Having given in to large fines to entrepreneurs for using illegal immigrants, the authorities quickly realized that they would be left without left-wing incomes and turned on the usual - police measures. But in Russia, as you know, the futility of police measures revealed the ever-present reception of bad governments — suppressing the effects of evil and reinforcing its causes.
  39. ed1968
    ed1968 18 November 2013 14: 35
    +2
    I don’t understand what to blame myself for? They themselves understand what they’re doing and believe me, they’re not interested in anything other than money. As for the conditions, in the USA Mexicans and migrant workers in some other countries of Eastern Europe are not better. Well, in China they have their own some workers live no better
  40. Horn
    Horn 18 November 2013 14: 44
    +3
    Slavery cannot be justified by economic benefits

    - Can. Popular gypsy wisdom: "A stolen horse is cheaper than a bought one." It is more profitable to pay little and rarely than pay a lot and regularly.
  41. kaktus
    kaktus 18 November 2013 15: 19
    +1
    Article -. Migrants are really not taken or held by force, and so-called "gentlemen" are not used as domestic servants. negative And from infections that they can easily drag, higher forces save us (definitely not quarantine and other sanitary and epidemiological measures). IMHO
  42. umeletz
    umeletz 18 November 2013 15: 40
    +5
    Plus to the experienced. You can talk for a long time, but, unfortunately, little changes. It is better to communicate with those whom our "GUESTS" have robbed, beaten, raped. I will make a reservation right away, I am not against any nationality as such, I only want to feel at home in my homeland, in Russia, and not as a guest.
  43. major071
    major071 18 November 2013 16: 02
    11
    I remember how in the early 2000s a Tashkent-Chelyabinsk passenger train with migrants went through us. Have you ever got on a train like this? If not, don't try. I had to work. Crammed to capacity dirty reserved seats and common cars. Ambre of unwashed bodies and stale socks, a specific smell of "koshma" and a crowd of Tajiks, terrified to death. This is how they rode at first. And now they are going to their home, they are not afraid of anything. And what are they afraid of, they have a good life here, there are a lot of defenders, just unbuckle the grandmother. They have jobs in bulk, employers prefer to hire migrants rather than Russians at the same order value. migrants can pay less, and the difference is in your pocket. This is how we live in Russia - there is no work for our own, but for foreigners in bulk. It is necessary to close the borders, close them.
  44. Begemot
    Begemot 18 November 2013 17: 07
    +2
    Uncontrolled, corrupt migration like the Russian one has an endless list of negative consequences. To what the author has listed, I’m ready to add: This army must be fed! Yes, they buy products on their own, but they increase the demand for 10-15% (and prices, respectively), and given that 45% (if not more) of our food is imported, then for this food you have to pay currency, and you have to earn it! In addition, as long as working people do not cost anything to business, it does not make sense to develop, invest in science, improve production, the country is increasingly drowning in technological backwardness, migrants will not develop, they are temporary, but their presence corrupts the indigenous population, therefore that you don’t need to improve the educational level, you don’t need to develop yourself, because you give commands: you took this crap, put it there - you don’t need a big mind.
    Just do not believe that this problem will be solved. This is politics, former Asian ssr
    in many respects they exist at the expense of receipts from Gaster and the issue of their admission to the country is solved at the highest level, and in return - relative loyalty, only the east is a delicate matter - they have been deceived once again, as has happened more than once. Yes, and the crowding out of Russians in 90, I would also recall.
  45. dropout
    dropout 18 November 2013 17: 41
    0
    And those who are trying to justify this system are simply not going to live in Russia in the future.Quote.

    But the question is, what kind of lyad should the rest suffer.
  46. saygon66
    saygon66 18 November 2013 18: 29
    +1
    - Well, in order not to tease anti (-racists, -fascists) and other rabid internationalists ... visiting workers play the role of strikebreakers, first of all - their presence allows entrepreneurs to apply the "dislike - quit" method to "local cadres". This allows the "exploiters" to successfully ignore any (almost) form of worker protest ...
  47. tomich
    tomich 18 November 2013 18: 37
    +3
    it’s enough to upload Russophobic articles on the site already, firstly nobody forcibly drags them to Russia, and secondly, the fact that they do not have work at home is their problems, even if they decide with their power through rallies, revolutions, etc. let them be part of Russia and there will be no such problems
  48. Corsair5912
    Corsair5912 18 November 2013 19: 16
    +4
    In Russia, such a prison experiment was put on a national scale. The word "migrants" magically deduces the Tajiks, Kirghiz, Uzbeks from the category of people. If so tried to maintain and exploit our workers, it would cause outrage and would be considered unacceptable. And with migrants, another thing, they are perceived only as a function - brooms, shovels and trowels.

    Enough Russophobian nonsense! No one in Russia has ever set up any experiments.
    The population of the republics of the former USSR, at the everyday level, was hostile to the Russians.
    They gained complete independence from the "occupiers" and plunged into medieval feudalism, in which they were before the arrival of the Russians.
    They brazenly squeezed the Russians out of their republics without suppressing hostile actions and violence by the "indigenous" scum against the Russians.
    The Russians do not catch Tajiks, Kyrgyz, and Uzbeks on the streets and do not force them to Russia; they themselves come to us, forgetting to leave their Muslim rites and Russophobia at home.
    Why do we Russians, at home, on our land, have to endure hostile strangers, and even care about their well-being?
    In the USSR, they lived beautifully at home and shouted that they would do without the Russians, but they could not.
    The Russians left, leaving in Central Asia everything that they had built over 120 years, mines, combines, factories, factories, canals, dams, roads, arable land, schools, universities, hospitals, cities, for trillions of full-weighted gold rubles, taken mainly from the budget Russian Empire and the RSFSR.
    What else do they want from us?
    In order for us to create conditions for a good life for migrants at our own expense, which by far not all Russians have?
    But will not be bold? This is a Central Asian yoke.
  49. Sharp
    Sharp 18 November 2013 19: 56
    +1
    Video in the topic. Marat Musin.
  50. Estray_
    Estray_ 18 November 2013 20: 08
    0
    Quote: Canep
    It occurred to me that no one of the officials thought of creating a state. corporation "Guest worker". Organize recruiting centers in countries with a low standard of living, bring workers into Russia and resell them to employers. And make all other labor immigrants outlawed.
    And saw-saw loot. Like in Skolkovo or Rusnano

    So they are trading quotas.