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Ukraine is one step away from "Mazepa"

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In the XXI century история obviously goes "in a circle", now the episode is repeated, which happened sometime between Peter the Great and Mazepa. The West wishes Ukraine again, the new Mazepa is making the old “European choice”, and no one looks back on history. In the XVIII century in Ukraine there was a similar situation, and everything ended near Poltava ...


Ukraine is one step away from "Mazepa"


Generally, if we ignore the conspiracy, then Ukraine is “taken for pont”, because of the elementary feeling of envy of a rich neighbor, however, you should not underestimate it: recently the same envy of the West has ruined the Soviet Union indestructible. The West today, as it is then, is selflessly lying, only this time about how it loves Ukraine, and Ukraine became thoughtful: maybe I really am a beauty? Beautiful, of course, like cheese in a fable about Crow and Fox.

To think that the West wants Ukraine to prosper, and in general to anyone else, is the lot of “idiots”, but only truly independent minds speak this politically correct truth: philosopher A.A. Zinoviev, when the USSR played the role of such a fabulous cheese. World politics is a kind of chess, on the one hand the West, on the other - Russia, and this once again confirmed the escape of E. Snowden from the world of “e-democracy”.

I already wrote about this attempt at “European integration” of Ukraine: about Putin’s “Ukrainian” tranquility, Yanukovich’s provocations, the hysterical two-faced Poland, about the alleged “stupidity” of the European Union, who seized upon Yulia Tymoshenko, that is, opening the way to Europe for Yanukovich without fail through disgrace. Why such intricate moves?

Actually, Yanukovych’s betrayal of Russia de facto has already happened, in fact, he has long pursued a policy of European integration, betraying a strategic alliance with Russia, but the West is demanding to give a receipt for this in order to consolidate the position also de jure. This, of course, is the Rubicon, after which a change in Russian policy will occur, as Putin has repeatedly said: the customs regime on the border with Ukraine will be tightened.

Ukraine as "Panama"

Until now, Russia treated Ukraine as a kindred country, hence the special economic relations. In the family, there is the notion of a “cut hunk”, when a native person who has betrayed the family is treated as a stranger. Here is something similar will happen in the attitude of Russia to Ukraine, friendship with it will begin to be regulated by WTO rules, as with any Panama. In fact, Russia will leave Ukraine to the arbitrariness of the world market, and will be considered only as its “independent” player.

This means that for Russia, Ukraine will turn from a subject of world politics into an object of politics, which it is now for the West. This means that Russia will begin to pursue a policy similar to the West, that is, to consider Ukraine as any kind of bridgehead: without sentiment, and following its own benefit, without any favors, it does not give them to Ukraine and the West. Only in debt at a commercial interest, and go and buy everything yourself on the world market. But if Panama is far away, then the Ukrainian “Panama” is close by.

Until recently, Russia adhered to a passive policy, did not support the pro-Russian social forces in Ukraine, as the West does in relation to its zapadentsev, respected the sovereignty of Ukraine. But after the passage of Ukraine by the Rubicon, it will become the object of application of Russian policy, that is, Russia will begin an active policy in Ukraine, like the West, and will politically protect pro-Russian politicians, such as Odessan Igor Markov.

Evroshantazh "split Ukraine"

But with the active policy of both the West and Russia, the danger of a split in Ukraine sharply increases. Here, the example of Czechoslovakia is usually recalled, which also split, without any particular problems, but the split of Ukraine cannot be compared with it. Both parts of the former Czechoslovakia remained the same in the sphere of the West, its split was beneficial to the European bureaucrats: it was easier to talk with the small principalities.

The split of Ukraine, this process itself, is a European force majeure, it is a strategic danger for Russia, so Putin is trying to avoid it to the last, therefore he doesn’t say anything, even when pro-Russian politicians in Ukraine are subjected to repression.

Since there is a great danger that our Western colleagues will try to conduct this split according to the Yugoslav scenario. By this scenario, the western “European integrators of Ukraine” are already blackmailing Russia when they demand not to interfere in the matter of eating Ukrainian cheese, that is, they demand not to change the customs regime on the Russian-Ukrainian border. This is a brazen pressure on Russia itself.

In fact, the West is demanding that Russia give the go-ahead for the “European integration” of Ukraine, and even pay for economic and political risks. It is clear that Russia will not accept this, because such a weakening of its position in the near future is more dangerous for Russia than the dangers of splitting Ukraine. Putin is a good “political chess player,” and he understands this and firmly says that he will transfer the customs border to the WTO regime, and thus he will fight for influence in Ukraine: there is nowhere to retreat, Russia is behind.

So, on the chessboard we see the position: either a peaceful takeover of Ukraine by the West, or a split of Ukraine with unpredictable consequences. But ... with unpredictable consequences, not only for Russia, but also for Europe, unlike the States, which, from overseas, use Polish hands, and their Euroshesterok, tend to “associate” Ukraine with the European Union. The West is no longer a single entity, the interests of the United States and Europe no longer coincide, therefore we see the “strange” Tymoshenko’s policy of Europe.

This stops the new Mazepa-Yanukovich from the last move in this “chess game,” and makes him fly to Moscow to Putin. Facts are a stubborn thing: Ukrainian Mazepas understand, of course, that the European integration case begins to clearly smell kerosene for them: the loss of the Russian market, without any compensation from Europe, and then the destabilization of Ukraine. Therefore, the latest European integration laws in Ukraine have not yet been adopted.

Russia, represented by Putin, makes it clear that blackmail by the “split of Ukraine” does not frighten her, Russia will turn off special relations with Ukraine anyway, and will draw appropriate conclusions regarding Ukraine and Europe. But such a scenario, objectively, weakens Europe (with a devastated Ukraine around its neck) and does not need Germany at all, which in this case is “Europe”, and here German (European) interests and American interests diverge.

Formally, the absence of the latest European integration laws already gives Germany a reason to say "no" to the Ukrainian association, the second option: the European Union and Ukraine will diplomatically agree to a technical foul - put off the "association" case under this specious pretext, and the unresolved "Yulia Tymoshenko problem."

Thus, the Ukrainian "chess" party "Russia - the West" ends in a draw, but there is also a loser - this is Yanukovich, the "new Mazepa", he crossed the Rubicon ... However, what would everyone do without such an incident as "Yulia Tymoshenko"? Unique political figure in Ukraine today!
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  1. aszzz888
    aszzz888 18 November 2013 08: 18
    +7
    The fact that the mericatos drive a wedge between Russia and Ukraine is an obvious fact. But Yanukovych slowed down with the entry into the EU. Another presidential political trick.
    1. a52333
      a52333 18 November 2013 08: 37
      32
      Yes, he was clearly told from the European Union that you are either trading with us, or with the CU. Before that, GDP also spoke. It seems that with a delay of three months it comes to the fact that the stools are in different corners of the room and the seat is not enough to sit on both.
      1. Nicholas C.
        Nicholas C. 18 November 2013 09: 02
        19
        I hope that the Eurogees will remember Yanukovych as the Swedes remember Mazepa. For Swedes, Mazepa is arguably the most damned historical figure. Russia is far from the Swedes here. Before Mazepa, after all, Sweden was a world superpower, and with Mazepa's "help" it became nothing.

        Yanukovych is a visionary politician. He already needs to think about where to run in 2015, how and where to save what he has gained with overwork.
        1. wow
          wow 18 November 2013 19: 18
          +7
          Yes, he is not a "politician", all the more "far-sighted". An ordinary thief, concerned only with filling his own purse, however, like all the so-called. "presidants" and "premieres" and hedgehogs with them of this "derzhava". The essence of the complete collapse here is very simple - the global theft of everything and everyone.
      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 18 November 2013 09: 25
        14
        Quote: a52333
        It seems like a delay of three months comes

        Well, minus 25% in trade and wage arrears, Yanukovych realized that he could be stupidly overthrown belay
        1. Hudo
          Hudo 18 November 2013 09: 58
          +7
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          , Yanukovych realized that he could stupidly overthrow

          And what of this "got it"? He is like a walking girl, he understands that if he continues to play tricks then he will either die from venous diseases or be strangled somewhere. Nevertheless, how you don’t hold it, with what words you can’t convince, what arguments and examples you don’t bring - you can’t keep the hell locked up - it will die on the spat panel.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 18 November 2013 10: 25
            16
            Quote: Hudo
            - will die on the spat panel.

            Yulka will be released, then he will surely die. She will take revenge until death itself laughing
        2. AVV
          AVV 18 November 2013 15: 25
          +4
          And this is what happens when the authorities can’t, and the people don’t want, all this leads to the scale of 17 years in a single country !!!
        3. kaper
          kaper 18 November 2013 16: 58
          -4
          "Well, minus 25% in trade .." so where did this minus come from? Who slows down trade between the two countries, at which border the trucks are in kilometer-long queues, in which country the results of analyzes of the same products differ from similar analyzes of other countries ?
          1. Mikhail3
            Mikhail3 18 November 2013 19: 13
            +6
            We are slowing down. It is said - we will not pay for someone else's life. Let's go to the brothel for our ...
          2. Felix200970
            Felix200970 19 November 2013 00: 05
            +2
            Quote: kaper
            "Well, minus 25% in trade .." so where did this minus come from? Who slows down trade between the two countries, at which border the trucks are in kilometer-long queues, in which country the results of analyzes of the same products differ from similar analyzes of other countries ?

            Yes, finally, it dawned on the Russians that they were not fucking persuading. They considered what the "joining" of Ukraine to some kind of agreements with gayrope threatens for Russia. Received a negative number in the grandmas and infringement of their economic interests. They quickly inflicted preventive actions and that's it ... absolutely everything ... And then the guys, whose selfish interests were hurt, got down to work. And somehow I got into geyrope. And the Azirov pochukhamshi blurted out that it was not innocent to solve the issue of Nuno. And Viktor KhVyodorovich rushed into the white stone ... what
            1. Hudo
              Hudo 19 November 2013 00: 28
              +2
              Quote: Felix200970
              Yes, finally it dawned on the Russians that to persuade nehru


              It would be nice if it came!
              Quote: Felix200970
              Quickly applied preventive actions and that's all ... absolutely everything.

              No, not all! Since they have taken, then do not give a descent, so that slippery as a burbot Yanukevych does not twist.
        4. Motors1991
          Motors1991 18 November 2013 19: 06
          +9
          Yanukovych doesn’t give a damn about any wage arrears, the economy. It doesn’t hurt him, he just ate raspberries and strawberries for 700 hryvnias (2800 rubles per kg). He is from Donetsk, but Donetsk, except for strength they understand when people speak the human language with them, for them it’s a sign of weakness, and according to their concepts these people can and should be “divorced” If Putin, at every meeting with Yanukovych instead of, hello, gave him in the face, can you Believe me, Viktor Fedorovich would be like silk. I worked with them, I know, they don’t understand another language. And all these talk about economics is a mule for them, they have seized this territory and want to rob it as much as they want, where they want and whoever they want. Therefore, all this talk about the CU, the EU is like Mars for them, they don’t need it, they should live well in Ukraine, if only they wouldn’t interfere. And YOU are talking about the economy.
          1. pawel57
            pawel57 18 November 2013 20: 12
            0
            sorry of course. And Putin doesn’t do anything with us, just chatting while reading a piece of paper. He is without power, the screen. Thieves like Serdyukov and Vasilyeva, Bilalova again at work in critical positions. Chernozho ... were overwhelmed, the pale-faced people were specifically finished off by the police. The police are already half black. The Caucasus is a separate country and no one travels through Chechnya. Scary times are coming. Maybe you're right in this codec do not meddle? Or can you explode yourself, without the EEC? After all, Lukashenko both fought and fights. You are bigger and the sea is. I really do not want to have strained relations with the fraternal people. You have the most beautiful women and men are good. Sorry, so sorry.
            1. I am a Russian
              I am a Russian 19 November 2013 07: 47
              0
              Pavel while she is a bartender sh ... a - let him walk.
              Bored - there is something to think about
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        1. So_o_tozh
          So_o_tozh 18 November 2013 17: 25
          -5
          Young man, you know the pagaworks of the Abarigans, you will work for us.
        2. KuzmichDP
          KuzmichDP 18 November 2013 20: 25
          0
          Honghuz, do not eyebrow !!! good wassat
    2. ivshubarin
      ivshubarin 18 November 2013 08: 47
      +4
      He wanted to scare us, but it didn’t work out. Played back
    3. Sirocco
      Sirocco 18 November 2013 08: 55
      34
      Quote: aszzz888
      Another presidential political trick.

      All this fuss around Ukrainian integration into the EU reminds me more and more of a joke about Chapaev,
      - Vladimir Vladimirovich, Yanyk creeps to white!
      - Do not shoot, Dima! This is our bacteriological weapon!
      Knowing the nature of the Ukrainian leaders, with attempts to sit on two chairs, the EU will give Russia money to take Ukraine back to the CU.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 18 November 2013 09: 26
        +9
        Cool photo lol
      2. xan
        xan 18 November 2013 15: 04
        +2
        test photo
      3. VARCHUN
        VARCHUN 19 November 2013 22: 21
        0
        It can be seen "good" so you know, there are crowds of such connoisseurs of beer.
    4. Vadivak
      Vadivak 18 November 2013 09: 15
      20
      Quote: ...
      new Mazepa makes old "European choice"


      Mazepa was originally a traitor in his youth was recruited by the Jesuits
      Ivan Mazepa studied at the Jesuit College in Warsaw. Later, under the patronage of his father, he was received at the court of the Polish king Jan Casimir, where he was one of the "noble" nobles. His favorite book is "Sovereign" Machiavelli. fluent in Russian, Polish, Tatar, Latin. He also knew Italian, German and French.

      What about Janek? There are three mistakes in the word hell, where is it pulling it somewhere?
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 18 November 2013 09: 28
        12
        Quote: Vadivak
        There are three mistakes in the word hell, where is it pulling it somewhere?

        Hi Vadim! A man wanted to drag the Lviv electorate to his side, but in the end he lost everything in the east, both in politics and in life.
        1. Egoza
          Egoza 18 November 2013 11: 10
          13
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          A man wanted to drag the Lviv electorate to his side, but in the end he lost everything in the east, both in politics and in life.

          I would say differently. VFYa is a protégé of large oligarchs like Akhmetov. And, in fact, it acts on their orders. Akhmetov, Zhvania, etc. 5 people in total. They already have their factories in Europe (England, Italy, Germany). So they began to push "ahead of time." But then it turned out that in addition to the "tigers" there is also a flock of smaller, but numerous "wolves". The products of their enterprises are oriented towards Russia. Their factories are not ready (and will not be ready for a long time) for European standards, and there will be significant losses if they sign the association, and the dismissed people will rebel. And the flock can defeat the tiger, and the VFYA began to retreat.
          1. MG42
            MG42 18 November 2013 14: 04
            +6
            Zhvania is very small against Akhmetov, there are Kolomoisky, Firtash and others.
            The top ten 200 richest people in Ukraine:

            1. Rinat Akhmetov (SCM Group), net worth $ 16,830 billion
            2. Igor Kolomoisky (Privat group), net worth $ 3,645 billion
            3. Gennady Bogolyubov (Privat group), net worth $ 3,645 billion
            4. Dmitry Firtash (DF Group), a fortune of $ 3,327 billion
            5. Vadim Novinsky (Smart Holding), net worth $ 3,273 billion
            6. Victor Pinchuk (EastOne LLC), net worth $ 2,150 billion
            7. Konstantin Zhevago (Ferrexpo), a fortune of $ 1,920 billion
            8. Konstantin Grigorishin (Energy Standard), fortune $ 1,814 billion
            9. Yuri Kosyuk (Mironovsky bakery product), net worth $ 1,514 billion
            10. Victor Nusenkis (Donetskstal), net worth $ 1,507 billion

            SOURCE: Focus
            1. leon-iv
              leon-iv 18 November 2013 14: 11
              +6
              KMK Firtrash now with Gazprom will quite often stir up. For our metallurgy of Ukraine nafig did not fall problems with their plants (Mechel)
              1. MG42
                MG42 18 November 2013 14: 20
                +5
                That's why Akhmetov doesn’t want to in the TS, and this is the main sponsor of the regionals and long-time friendship of Yanuk, about Firtash there were graters with Rosukrenergo that NAK Neftegaz completely stopped importing Russian gas on Saturday on 8 November, and payments were suspended ..
                And Firtash sits on chemistry, which depends on gas prices since this is the main raw material .. while managing to take gas intended for the population for his enterprises .. and the population is being offered expensive Russian for the CHP ..
            2. pawel57
              pawel57 18 November 2013 20: 17
              0
              Does this list include Ukrainians by nationality? In Russia, all Jews, Mountain Jews, half-breeds. If one two flashes, then not one of the first.
            3. VARCHUN
              VARCHUN 19 November 2013 22: 26
              -1
              Now tell me who they are without their money with *****, and they will not call and will not like, the time will come, but it will come and as they say, the Living will envy the dead, then look at them.
      2. MG42
        MG42 18 November 2013 14: 11
        14
        Quote: Vadivak
        What about Janek? There are three mistakes in the word hell, where is it pulling it somewhere?

        He himself does not know, by the way, it was infa on our media that he is gathering a meeting of all former presidents Kravchuk, Kuchma and Yushchenko will decide together about integration and Tymoshenko, probably wants to share the responsibility into 4 >>
        1. Sirocco
          Sirocco 18 November 2013 15: 26
          +2
          Quote: MG42
          will decide together about integration and Tymoshenko,

          What is there to decide? Tymoshenko failed project of the West, If she leaves, Victor sits, and so on ad infinitum. All this is a game. What is the goal of all the players will see later. I think it will be interesting.
          1. MG42
            MG42 18 November 2013 15: 35
            +6
            Quote: Sirocco
            What is there to decide? Tymoshenko failed project of the West

            You are confusing Yushchenko’s project with the US State Department, and Kotrin’s wife worked in the State Department, Tymoshenko immediately came to power, the orange coalition broke up and in every possible way clashed with Yushchenko, the culmination of these scandals was the signing of gas contracts with Russia, when Yushch recalled Dubin from negotiations, Tymoshenko sympathized with Putin, like Putin Tymoshenko .. This is now when she was thrown all she can rely on justice in the EU, because Ukrainian justice is complete shit, he came across more than once ..
            Quote: Sirocco
            If she comes out Victor will sit down,

            This is a typical view from Russia .. Very controversial >> we do not know the conditions of release in any case, the conviction will not be removed, she will be sent for treatment to Germany, without the right to return, unless Lenin can return from emigration ..
            Quote: Sirocco
            What is the goal of all the players will see later. I think it will be interesting.

            Everything will be decided this week today, a working group at 16-00 in Kiev, again the topic of Tymoshenko ..
        2. Felix200970
          Felix200970 19 November 2013 00: 12
          +1
          Quote: MG42
          , by the way, there was an infa according to our media that he is gathering a meeting from all former presidents Kravchuk, Kuchma and Yushchenko will decide together

          Already decided and without a pimple. I had to watch football bully
          1. MG42
            MG42 19 November 2013 00: 18
            +1
            I was just watching football, Comrade Felix, good football, but Yushchenko was not there, and there was Kravchuk, Kuchma, Akhmetov, Rybak and Pinchuk in the VIP box with Yanukovych. This is info after football, Yushchenko is now allegedly staying in France .. wink
            If he collects a gangway, then they didn’t decide, in general tomorrow again new laws on Tymoshenko in the Rada ..
        3. VARCHUN
          VARCHUN 19 November 2013 22: 29
          0
          Well, you listen to the kans, you’re not a janitor at the dacha at Vitka’s earning money, huh?
      3. stolbovsn
        stolbovsn 18 November 2013 20: 24
        +2
        Mazepa under Peter was the largest landowner. More than 500 serfs were bestowed on him by Peter in Little Russia and Russia, but nevertheless he sold himself vilely.
      4. VARCHUN
        VARCHUN 19 November 2013 22: 23
        0
        Well, yes, Mazepa is certainly treacherous, but how then could Peter 1 be so "bursting" he held him almost with his right hand.
    5. randomizer
      randomizer 18 November 2013 09: 41
      +6
      In any situation, Russia needs to tighten its policy, and precisely as an object. It will fall apart - we will take it in pieces.
      1. Sirocco
        Sirocco 18 November 2013 10: 43
        +6
        Quote: Randaltor
        It will fall apart - we will take it in pieces.

        Everything goes to this. It's a question of time. The West and the East of Ukraine, and in the past years (USSR), did not climb into the gums, and now even more so. So no matter how sorry, but will have to split up. I don’t understand one thing, one Slavic people, and the world doesn’t have us.
      2. Onotollah
        Onotollah 18 November 2013 10: 59
        12
        Quote: Randaltor
        It will fall apart - we will take it in pieces.

        A good idea.
        I can’t understand why the author considers the collapse of Ukraine to be a bad scenario?
        It’s quite a European civilized division: a piece of the West with Bandera, Julia, Yanukovych and other Russophobes to the west, well, what’s left will be ours.
        1. Victor Kamenev
          18 November 2013 12: 21
          +1
          There will be no dangerous scenario, no "civilized division", unless Russia can give Yugoslavia's European integrators a hand. And this is not easy to do, here you have to think, so Putin is thinking, and has not yet invented, apparently.
          1. Onotollah
            Onotollah 18 November 2013 12: 50
            +2
            "Dangerous scenario"
            In Syria, the integrators seem to have failed.
            At least for now.
            And so yes, you are right a good fireman can be ignited in Europe.
            hi
            Yes, even with the caliphate sauce.
            Here, not only Putin needs to think, but the rest of Europe.
            Maybe after all, in a European, civilized way?
            lol
          2. xan
            xan 18 November 2013 15: 40
            +4
            Quote: Victor Kamenev
            unless Russia can hand over the European integrators of Yugoslavia

            Yugoslavia and Syria are far away, and even they are small.
            Ukraine is at hand, and big. There you can’t quickly carry air defense there. If in Ukraine there will be at least one force for Russia, then the war in Ukraine will turn into a war with Russia. And do not be afraid of it. In this case, it’s not appropriate to scatter, let the European integrators are afraid. As they say, bargaining is not appropriate here.
            1. VARCHUN
              VARCHUN 19 November 2013 22: 32
              +1
              You say that because the war will be in Ukraine and not in your city, but when you would sing differently,
        2. pawel57
          pawel57 18 November 2013 20: 23
          0
          Maybe you are right. Only now we are selling out. Maybe the Slavs and the peoples who are with us in fact create a new state? After all, the West is also shared by Scotland, the Basques of Spain and France, the Flemings and Francophones of Belgium, the French and English Canada, and the confusion with Texas in the USA.
        3. Felix200970
          Felix200970 19 November 2013 00: 17
          +1
          Quote: Onotolle
          I can’t understand why the author considers the collapse of Ukraine to be a bad scenario?

          Because it will fall into 3 parts. And worst of all will be in the middle. Apparently the author is also from there recourse
      3. kaper
        kaper 18 November 2013 14: 03
        -10 qualifying.
        "It will fall apart - we will take it piece by piece" - but do not choke. Maybe already enough to divide. Yes, and the dividends need to ask if they want this. After all, already at the stadiums of Kharkov, Donetsk during international football matches the whole stadium sings "Has not died yet ... ", and" Glory to Ukraine-Heroes, Glory "has come into use. So do not indulge yourself with illusions.
        1. leon-iv
          leon-iv 18 November 2013 14: 13
          +6
          Hmm, and history clearly does not teach you anything. All these stadium heroes are quickly blown away.
          Flown up in the production of work. Now nobody needs to change attitudes and Moscow does not give money for this.
          1. Algor73
            Algor73 19 November 2013 00: 31
            +3
            I wonder who history teaches? Name at least one politician who coordinated his actions with historians, the development of at least one country with an eye to history.
        2. Sirocco
          Sirocco 18 November 2013 15: 31
          +9
          Quote: kaper
          -Glory to the heroes

          And who are your heroes ??? Aren't these from UNA UNSO? If it's them, then I sympathize with you. Remembering the mid-90s, these came from the Western regions to one city of Western Donbas, and voted in the square, so their local hard workers almost broke Glory to the heroes of the police, who saved them)))))))))))))
          1. Breeze59
            Breeze59 18 November 2013 22: 53
            +1
            Now the local hard workers do not tear. In Pavlograd, the capital of Western Donbass, the elderly retired for the TS recently gathered to hold a rally. So they were not given the "Student Svoboda" consisting of two dozen young people. They prevented the rally from happening with their chants. The old people dispersed. intervened. "My hut on the edge" is called.
          2. Algor73
            Algor73 19 November 2013 00: 42
            0
            The worst thing is that there are no heroes. But they are not in Russia. I watch TV, incl. Russian channels. Films about those past days are not already being raised into heroes and soldiers of the time of the Second World War, showing their cynicism, ignorance, fornication, etc. And the very system (communist) is generally humiliated. They bring high society under tsarism (education, tact, honesty and the concept of honor), but at the same time they are opposed to the same Bolsheviks. Etc. etc. The youth got lost; she cannot decide for herself who the Hero is. We have lost all that is positive, on which ideologically the upbringing of youth was based, but in return we did not give a new one. You ask your children born after 91 who their Hero is. And, most importantly, why.
            1. Setrac
              Setrac 19 November 2013 01: 31
              +3
              Quote: Algor73
              But they are not in Russia.

              Watch the movie "Storm Gates", here are our heroes, like them.
            2. VARCHUN
              VARCHUN 19 November 2013 22: 45
              0
              And the answer is simple _NAROD IS COST OF ITS GOVERNERS_, who prevents Russia and Ukraine from changing, eh? But who_GOLDEN Taurus_, every petty bipod considers itself irreplaceable in its place, but the fact that they are all petty in their political reforms is not visible with an armed look. the people are guilty of this.
          3. VARCHUN
            VARCHUN 19 November 2013 22: 40
            +1
            People like you, who do you know about the history of Ukraine, have always given birth to me? It’s not funny that heroes were born exclusively in Moscow, and it’s good that UPA we had heroic historical Cossacks like Sirko, Sagaidachny, and they have always been. when Moscow still hadn’t drawn 800 like that, so don’t have to talk about it.
        3. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 18 November 2013 15: 33
          +3
          Quote: kaper
          "Glory to Ukraine-Heroes, Glory" came into use.

          Have you joined UNSO yet?
          1. leon-iv
            leon-iv 18 November 2013 15: 37
            +8
            For Heroes of Fat - we will find SMERSH.
            1. Walker1975
              Walker1975 18 November 2013 16: 11
              -1
              Yeah ... shoot your officers.
              1. leon-iv
                leon-iv 18 November 2013 16: 15
                +6
                Yeah ... shoot your officers.

                you can and yours if they are traitors.
            2. VARCHUN
              VARCHUN 19 November 2013 22: 46
              0
              And the fat is moreover, you are our dumplings.
          2. Sirocco
            Sirocco 18 November 2013 15: 55
            +2
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Have you joined UNSO yet?

            What do they say about people like this colleague? Not in what will he join the party like that, there is no third.
          3. kaper
            kaper 18 November 2013 16: 30
            -9
            Imagine over fifty, but not in any political party. In the 80s, after graduating from the institute, they strained the CPSU, but it did nothing. And there is nothing wrong with the UNSO abbreviation - national self-defense, after all, not an attack, not a conquest. Self-defense , a holy deed. Yes, and many people enter there, having read what is here, and on similar resources, they write.
            1. leon-iv
              leon-iv 18 November 2013 16: 38
              10
              Cho start running around the forests again?
              For reference, the average life span of an action movie in the Caucasus is no more than six months. This is with their forests and mountains.
              1. Motors1991
                Motors1991 18 November 2013 19: 13
                +3
                We don’t run around our forests, especially the Carpathian ones, they have already been bought out and divided. Do you think that Yushchenko or Yanukovych will allow Svidomo partisans to run around their plots and stomp at the moment?
            2. I am a Russian
              I am a Russian 18 November 2013 19: 32
              +2
              Quote: kaper
              But there is nothing wrong with the acronym UNSO - the national self-defense


              and there are a lot of people like this kaper in Ukraine.
              Hid under the guise of *****.
              1. Hudo
                Hudo 18 November 2013 19: 39
                +3
                Quote: I am a Russian
                and there are a lot of people like this kaper in Ukraine.
                Hid under the guise of *****.

                Not so much. But this bug, though small, is smelly green!
                1. I am a Russian
                  I am a Russian 18 November 2013 20: 02
                  +2
                  Quote: Hudo
                  But this bug, though small, is smelly green!


                  request dichlorvos powerless?
            3. Corsair
              Corsair 19 November 2013 00: 34
              0
              Quote: kaper
              But in the abbreviation UNSO there is nothing bad, the national self-defense, after all, not an attack, not a conquest. Self-defense, a holy cause.

              In the "riotous 90s" I remember that this abbreviation was interpreted somewhat differently: "Ukrainian National Socialist Organization", tobish Fascists.
        4. pawel57
          pawel57 18 November 2013 20: 28
          0
          We then, in principle, do not cry because of you. We consider you a fraternal people. Separate your health if you so wish. But we also have our interests and we will not give up on them. And the howl of your breeches and whatever misunderstandings and threats we can stand up for ourselves.
          1. VARCHUN
            VARCHUN 19 November 2013 22: 50
            0
            Why are you threatened, or why are you doing this?
        5. Felix200970
          Felix200970 19 November 2013 00: 22
          +1
          Quote: kaper
          Donetsk, during international football matches, the whole stadium sings "I have not died yet ..."

          Actually, these are the words of the national anthem of Ukraine. And if it is also performed by the Piccardi Tercy, then a good omen fellow
          Quote: kaper
          "Glory to Glory to Ukraine-Heroes" came into use

          but this is a pancake
        6. Setrac
          Setrac 19 November 2013 01: 29
          +1
          Quote: kaper
          So do not console yourself with illusions.

          Poland said that too.
        7. imrek_ua
          imrek_ua 19 November 2013 03: 08
          +2
          Yeah, it went straight in. Not in the east. I will vouch for Slobozhanshchina and Donbass. And by the way, why is it you, Kaper, have forgotten another slogan, also very popular in the same place as "glory to the heroes": "- Budmo! - Gay! - Budmo! - Gay! - Budmo! - Gay!" Shy?
      4. Galan
        Galan 18 November 2013 21: 22
        +1
        But all is not worth it. Western is better left to Poland. I can imagine how the march will take place on the day of Polish independence in Lviv if at least half of the Warsaw march on November 11 is delivered there. The Poles’ love for Bandera is very great.
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    7. shtanko.49
      shtanko.49 18 November 2013 12: 41
      0
      If he releases Tymoshenko, it is possible that she will become president and imprison Yanka!
      1. Egoza
        Egoza 18 November 2013 12: 46
        +5
        Quote: shtanko.49
        If he releases Tymoshenko, it is possible that she will become president and imprison Yanka!

        So this is what the United States and Merkel dream about! To have "their" president on a sickly piece of land. However ...
        “Bankova has every reason to make her claims: while preparing the association agreement, the Russian factor was not taken into account - they did not expect such a reaction. And now it must be taken into account. ”
        http://www.segodnya.ua/politics/pnews/udastsya-li-ukraine-poluchit-associaciyu-s
        -es-475762.html
        1. zmey_gadukin
          zmey_gadukin 18 November 2013 13: 45
          +5
          Yes, with Julia it will be even more difficult for them to agree. She is a rogue caliber much larger than Yanyk. In this she is a pro.
          And releasing it is not beneficial to anyone. She is very unpredictable. I think Russia is also better when it sits.
          The West thinks to have her as a "talking head" in the presidential chair, but they can really get a "second Mazepa" in her face.
          1. xan
            xan 18 November 2013 22: 38
            +1
            Quote: zmey_gadukin
            Yes, with Julia it will be even more difficult for them to agree. She is a rogue caliber much larger than Yanyk. In this she is a pro.

            In-in, you only hope for a sly man who can deceive.
            Julia only in your Ukraine can someone deceive someone.
            I remember her interview after the conclusion of a gas contract in Moscow: "It can be called in one word - Peremoga!" Now he sits for this peremogu, and you are yellow-cloudy howling from the most expensive gas.
            All the rest of yours and with Julia, and with other cunning, will be exactly the same. Not your level, not horse feed.
      2. builder
        builder 18 November 2013 19: 24
        0
        Do not plant - agree.
    8. Anthony
      Anthony 18 November 2013 19: 55
      -1
      Quote: aszzz888
      Ukraine is one step away from "Mazepa"



      Here are the new social polls in Ukraine ....



      "Supporters of joining the European Union prevail over supporters of joining the Customs Union in the western and central regions (73% versus 13% and 45% versus 25%), while supporters of joining the Customs Union prevail over supporters of joining the European Union - in the southern and eastern regions ( 46% versus 26% and 57% versus 18%) ", analysts say.

      In addition, the vast majority of citizens (76%) are ready to take part in the all-Ukrainian referendum. At the same time, 41% of Ukrainians would support entry into the EU, and 35% in the Customs Union.

      However, the conduct of two surveys, separately on EU accession and separately on support of the Customs Union, can contribute to the decision of the respondents. In the case of voting in the European Union, 43% of citizens will support entry, compared with 30%. At the same time, in a similar poll on the CU, 40% of Ukrainians will support joining the union against 30%.

      "Representatives of young people (18-29 and 30-39 years old - 50% and 48%, respectively) and the middle age group (40-49 years old - 46%) are more inclined to vote for joining the European Union, representatives of older people are more inclined to vote for joining the Customs Union. age groups (50-59 years old - 44%, 60-69 years old - 47% and at least 70 years old - 53%), "sociologists emphasize.

      http://korrespondent.net/
      1. Hudo
        Hudo 18 November 2013 20: 02
        +2
        Quote: Anthony
        - emphasize sociologists.


        At the same time, sociologists are given a case with a dough, an envelope with the results of the "survey". With skillful hands, "sociologists" give the order a pseudo-scientific form so that the customer is satisfied, after which they cut the allocated bablishko. Didn't you know that?
    9. Klibanophoros
      Klibanophoros 18 November 2013 22: 43
      +4
      On the plot of the games of the Russian and Khokhlostan iltok, you can shoot a series much cooler than "Game of Thrones". The damned nomenklatura fosterlings of the KPSS-Komsomol still won't play enough, just a feast during some kind of plague.
    10. mirag2
      mirag2 19 November 2013 07: 54
      0
      This is only a way to bring down the price of gas. Yanukovych realizes that he doesn’t get horseradish in the EU. He used to block the pipe, now he scares Europe ...
    11. Yoshkin Kot
      Yoshkin Kot 21 November 2013 09: 24
      0
      the wedge was hammered at the moment when the Ukrainian SSR was created, when the Russians were Ukrainized in the south-west of Russia, and was hammered by Westerners Russophobes-Bolsheviks.
      now it’s just loosening it again by Westerners
  2. vanaheym
    vanaheym 18 November 2013 08: 31
    +6
    And I really thought when the next article about Ukraine will be? It’s somehow not familiar. And then you come in - and here she is! Immediately, life got better ..
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 18 November 2013 09: 29
      11
      Quote: vanaheym
      Immediately, life got better ..

      What wage arrears paid or a new loan managed to get?
      1. Mace
        Mace 18 November 2013 13: 21
        +9
        Alexander Romanov, you shouldn’t be so. Ordinary citizens should not engage in hostile discussion. We must unite, not quarrel. What the leaders-traitors of Ukraine do, does not at all entail a negative attitude towards the inhabitants of our Ukraine.
        Remember friends, we are one people. And we live together.
        1. VARCHUN
          VARCHUN 19 November 2013 22: 59
          0
          I completely agree with you, but how much I don’t read "scribblers" from Russia, so I understand how poorly they studied at school and how much they watch TV.
      2. kaper
        kaper 18 November 2013 14: 06
        0
        “Did you pay off the wage debts or did you manage to get a new loan?” - sarcasm, which was required to be proved. So worried about Ukraine and its people that we rejoice at failures and grieve when successes.
        1. Hudo
          Hudo 18 November 2013 14: 28
          +5
          Quote: kaper
          . So worried about Ukraine for its people that we rejoice at failures and are sad when success.


          SUCCESS ??? Lugansk. Donbass. No, I didn’t hear about the success of Ukraine. And about how from failure to failure, from small failures to large ones - everyone knows about that!
          1. kaper
            kaper 18 November 2013 16: 48
            -4
            In, in himself, admit that everything that was and is bad and that something needs to be changed, in the sense that it is necessary to enter into the EU. After all, the vehicle is the same swamp only in a different way.
            1. Hudo
              Hudo 18 November 2013 18: 04
              +6
              Quote: kaper
              all that was and is bad and something needs to be changed, in the sense it is necessary to join the EU

              What for? To make it worse? To hold a referendum - and to whom let it fail in the eujope. Feather him an ostrich in ... to stabilize on the trajectory.
              Quote: kaper
              .And at the expense of "steal" that rudeness has not yet painted anyone.

              I draw your attention to the fact that the more a patriot of Ukraine a deputy, an oligarch, or, say, a prosecutor or a judge poses as a patriot of Ukraine, the more they are thieves. Project "Ukraine", for them a field of activity and a source of unjust acquired. If a patriot "U" fancies himself an ignoramus, expecting that the whole world owes him because he is the so-called "Ukrainian" - this is the most severe form of dementia, if this dementia is burdened with aggression - a direct road to a psycho. dispensary for compulsory treatment (or better immediately - lobotomy).
          2. kaper
            kaper 18 November 2013 17: 32
            -2
            "SUCCESS ??? !!!" - Yes, everything is bad in Ukraine, unlike Russia, where everything is fine, factories are closed, production is falling. But on the next branch - "Why is Putin-2013 being compared with the late Brezhnev?" and GDP growth forecast for 2013 ----- Ukraine-solid-1,5%, Russia - 1,3-1,5%. Figures are a stubborn thing, it's not a mess .. to throw on the fan.
            1. Hudo
              Hudo 18 November 2013 18: 12
              +1
              Quote: kaper
              , analysis and forecast of GDP growth for 2013 ----- Ukraine-solid-1,5%, Russia-1,3-1,5%. The numbers are a stubborn thing, this is not gam .. to ventilator ventilator.

              Well, I have the opportunity to personally observe this "growth", this "growth" is directed vertically downwards - in the area of ​​negative values.

              Quote: kaper
              Numbers

              цИFra
              Quote: kaper
              fan

              ventИolator
              http://ozhegov.org/ Dictionary of Ozhegov

              explanatory dictionary of the Russian language - to help.
              1. zmey_gadukin
                zmey_gadukin 18 November 2013 19: 57
                +2
                Quote: Hudo
                explanatory dictionary of the Russian language - to help.

                when the arguments end - we find fault with the grammar
                1. Hudo
                  Hudo 18 November 2013 20: 06
                  +1
                  Quote: zmey_gadukin
                  Quote: Hudo
                  explanatory dictionary of the Russian language - to help.

                  when the arguments end - we find fault with the grammar

                  It is doubtful that you have read my entire comment. It was noted above that I have the opportunity to observe this "growth" every day, and hanging spaghetti or dumplings on my ears will not work.
                2. Andrew-53
                  Andrew-53 18 November 2013 22: 50
                  +1
                  Everything should be perfect in a person. And last but not least literacy. Guardianship - what I had in mind. Optician or pharmacy.
            2. chehywed
              chehywed 18 November 2013 18: 31
              +1
              Quote: kaper
              The numbers are a stubborn thing, this is not gum .. to ventilate on the fan.

              Referring to the article "Why Putin-2013 is compared with the late Brezhnev?" You are probably too lazy to bring numbers for Europe and Japan from it ...
              ... indicators of such economically developed states as Germany - 0,5%, France - 0,4%, Great Britain - 1,3%, Japan - 1,8%. The economies of Italy, Portugal and Greece continue to fall.

              Apparently these numbers are not so stubborn for you.
            3. Motors1991
              Motors1991 18 November 2013 19: 21
              +3
              Well, why are you doing this? Right there, not only forum users are sitting in Russia, but also from Ukraine. Where did your GDP growth come from 1,5% and even solid. There is a minus and this is recognized not only by the State Statistics Committee, but also by pan Azarov, and this is such a pan, I tell you, he’s been the Prime Minister for more than three years and only recently learned that in Ukraine, it turns out, there are salary arrears and not small ones.
        2. Mikhail3
          Mikhail3 18 November 2013 19: 27
          +1
          Nothing is required to prove. The Russians understand us very well. And according to the rest of us, let us forgive you, blue-footed ... or don’t forgive. We are before the fence ...
        3. ars_pro
          ars_pro 18 November 2013 20: 42
          +1
          Quote: kaper
          “Did you pay off the wage debts or did you manage to get a new loan?” - sarcasm, which was required to be proved. So worried about Ukraine and its people that we rejoice at failures and grieve when successes.


          So what? They sent me a transfer in rubles today, which means I can also be glad that we have Ukrainians, we have such a big brother, Russia, otherwise we would have been "bored" by now.
          And nothing good for the people of the EU does not bring, or Svidomo think that they will be in oil, when the rest will be bent because of EU accession?
      3. vanaheym
        vanaheym 18 November 2013 19: 18
        -2
        And what, they refused to grant you a loan, what is it evil?
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    2. VARCHUN
      VARCHUN 19 November 2013 22: 56
      +1
      And what else can they write here about the mess in Russia, how is it not there, the politicians are finishing off the army, Siberia will soon be ****** with Vladivostok, but everyone will suck on the Ukraine-EU topic, you just keep the gunpowder dry and that's it , so no. RYLO do not be afraid of the cannon, and here you are peeping at this topic.
  3. Andrey57
    Andrey57 18 November 2013 08: 33
    14
    By and large, it doesn’t matter whether Ukraine signs or does not sign this agreement with the EU, because even if it does, it will not be implemented anyway, as this will instantly lead to an uncontrolled collapse of the country's economy. Thus, we can assume that in this chess game the gain is for GDP, therefore it has not been bustling lately, but Yanukovych has been bustling a lot, meeting several times with GDP over the past month.
    1. Canep
      Canep 18 November 2013 08: 48
      +5
      Quote: Andrey57
      this will instantly lead to an uncontrolled collapse of the country's economy
      Why uncontrollable ?, quite intentional and controlled, as in Russia in the late 80s - early 90s.
      1. builder
        builder 18 November 2013 09: 09
        +5
        Sadly all this.
      2. Andrew-53
        Andrew-53 18 November 2013 22: 55
        0
        I do not know Russia in the late 80s and early 90s. Or the USSR, or the RSFSR. And these are two big differences, as they say in Odessa. I will add even fundamental differences.
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 18 November 2013 09: 30
      0
      Quote: Andrey57
      , because, even if it signs, it will still not be executed

      Europe will quickly shut off oxygen, so it will not only fulfill, but also monitor the implementation personally.
  4. svskor80
    svskor80 18 November 2013 08: 33
    +7
    Hope (that Europe will bring wealth and prosperity) will die last, and judging by current events, it’s not in the next year or two. But after 5 years, nothing will belong to Ukrainians in Ukraine, everything will be laid down, but more than once.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 18 November 2013 12: 51
      +6
      Quote: svskor80
      Hope (that Europe will bring wealth and prosperity) will die last,

      Well no. It was just that Ukraine was beckoned by "a miracle in Poland", but they forgot to mention that Potlshe forgave a lot of external debts, and even added significant funds to its economy. When Ukraine raised the issue of compensation for losses in connection with the association (that is, the breakdown of normal relations with Russia), Europe made a "goat's face". Nobody will compensate for anything (Europe is not in that position now. It should have at least somewhere to stick its goods so that the final collapse does not work out). It was here that Ukraine began to restrain its "fast run".
  5. major071
    major071 18 November 2013 08: 39
    +9
    The author of course for the article plus, all the same I tried. But from the article, I did not learn anything new for myself, except that Yanukovych was compared with Mazepa. The topic is already hackneyed and we have already discussed all this.
  6. makarov
    makarov 18 November 2013 08: 42
    +5
    Why a comparison with Mazepa? Why not with Judah?
    1. RussianRu
      RussianRu 18 November 2013 08: 53
      15
      Why a comparison with Mazepa? Why not with Judah?

      Because Judas is not Russian, and not Ukrainian, and not a Slav at all.
      1. VARCHUN
        VARCHUN 19 November 2013 23: 08
        0
        And why then not Trotsky, Vlasov, Krasnov, Shkuro? Why aren’t they, because they are again not Ukrainians, there’s the whole point that the national hero is a traitor and also a Ukrainian, and why not Alexander 1, he should net the sales of Great Britain, as well as the Decembrists who wanted to completely disperse the Russian army and put an end to self-destructive. And they are the elite of the nobility. So you also had enough of these.
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 18 November 2013 09: 31
      +1
      Quote: makarov
      Why a comparison with Mazepa? Why not with Judah?

      In the history of Ukraine there was a Judas, that's why Mazepa.
      1. Egoza
        Egoza 18 November 2013 12: 55
        +7
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        In the history of Ukraine there was a Judas, that's why Mazepa.

        It's just that history repeats itself again. Mazepa served the Poles, then moved to Russia, then Karl (Europe) .... And again we now have the most "active" advisers - the Poles - Koks and Kwasniewski, eager to rake in Ukraine - Europe ...
        1. leon-iv
          leon-iv 18 November 2013 13: 29
          +3
          Ukraine has a lot of Jews, so if you look at history.
    3. Setrac
      Setrac 19 November 2013 01: 34
      +1
      Quote: makarov
      Why a comparison with Mazepa? Why not with Judah?

      Because Judas is a fictional character.
  7. Valery Neonov
    Valery Neonov 18 November 2013 08: 46
    +4
    "... Ukraine is" taken to show off ", the elementary feeling of envy of a rich neighbor ..."- I would like to know which of the state TV from the West is rich ... probably Romania ... winked
  8. HAM
    HAM 18 November 2013 08: 51
    15
    And did everyone notice that Ukraine is taught wisdom not by Germany, not by France (who, by the way, have a lot to learn), but by "pugs" like Poland, Lithuania and others like them?
    1. Sirocco
      Sirocco 18 November 2013 09: 13
      +5
      So after all, the pug is so strong that it can bark at an elephant. They have such a bark. Well, the EU as a whole will win by taking under the wing UA? There are few idle North Africans, Turks, and others from the former socialist camp. So also our brothers Ukrainians, they will not be given life there.
      1. Muadipus
        Muadipus 18 November 2013 11: 08
        +9
        Well, in general, what is the EU gaining by taking UA under its wing?
        By not tricky manipulations, driving Ukraine deep into debt, the EU gains full control over resources. But there are minerals in Ukraine -
        Of particular importance for the economy are deposits of manganese (75% of the CIS reserves), iron (31%), titanium (40%) ores, coal (25%), native sulfur (80%), kaolin (60%), graphite (50 %) and refractory clays (35%)
        Add here the deposits of Uranus - which the USA is sorely lacking. Plus advantageous geopolitical location. That's all the interest. And not a cheap power slave, as they wrote here. the EU has plenty of slave power, they don’t need it at all. Ukrainians are not needed.
        1. chehywed
          chehywed 18 November 2013 11: 56
          +1
          Quote: Muadipus
          Add here the deposits of Uranus -

          Well here are cunning !!! Already the seventh planet has been mastered, and everyone is miserable. laughing
          1. zmey_gadukin
            zmey_gadukin 18 November 2013 13: 47
            0
            ))) the joke did not ride)))
    2. VARCHUN
      VARCHUN 19 November 2013 23: 16
      0
      And what do you propose to learn from France and Germany? The history of these countries is tightly bound, and Germany, she, Prussia, was at one time in ***, France could only show itself further under Napoleon NO, so why? Poland used to be an ally of Russia and have been at peace for 20 years.
  9. mak210
    mak210 18 November 2013 09: 03
    13
    All repeats. Bogdan Khmelnitsky, after the Zemsky Sobor 1653, Russia comes to the aid of Ukraine, despite serious military problems in the Baltic States and Poland. Khmelnitsky dies, the hetman Vygovsky opposes her and the Russian garrisons are expelled, partly with weapons.

    Yuri Khmelnitsky asks for help against Poland. Zemsky Sobor and the tsar understood that the violation by the Cossacks of the oath of allegiance to the Polish crown is a violation of international rules and traditions of the time and will inevitably lead to war with the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. Moscow nevertheless gives troops, but the Ukrainians betray and the Russians surrender under Chudnov (1660). In the Battle of Konotop (1659), having entered into allied relations with the Poles and Tatars and having a significant numerical superiority, the conquerors captured a detachment of 5000 men under the leadership of Prince S.R. Pozharsky. The prince for his violent behavior (he spat in the face of the khan) was executed; The rest of the Russian prisoners of the Cossacks brought to the field and cut. (According to the rules of “good form” of that time, prisoners were usually redeemed.)

    New Rada and calls, then expel, then protect. Crimean Tatars trade Ukrainian slaves right under the windows of the hetman. And here is the way out of the turmoil and the end of the last cycle. Ukrainian cities are asking the Moscow government to send troops into them. Moscow, referring to past "theft and treason", refuses. Then Little Russian bourgeoisie asked the tsar to rule them “according to his entire sovereign will” as well as all other cities of the Moscow kingdom. Finally, the final reunion with Russia.

    It remains to note that Ukraine during these vacillations increased its territory many times without any wars and conquests.

    Maybe this is the hidden meaning of today's shy?

    And everything is the same - Ukrainians are my brothers!
    1. vkrav
      vkrav 18 November 2013 13: 09
      +1
      Quote: mak210
      And everything is the same - Ukrainians are my brothers!

      Would you have lived in an independent nenke - your views on "friendship of peoples" and other "brotherhood" would have changed very significantly ... Internationalists-theorists have zadolbali in the region!
      1. So_o_tozh
        So_o_tozh 18 November 2013 17: 38
        0
        Duc Onishchenko current helps feasible friendship of peoples)
    2. So_o_tozh
      So_o_tozh 18 November 2013 17: 37
      -6
      I thought for a long time and realized, no matter how bitter it is for me to admit, without external control Ukraine is not capable of anything better, the current situation is a vivid example of this. During the Orange Revolution, in Kiev, only for 3 weeks of standing on the Maidan, people began to feel the idea that finally something can be done, that it is possible to change the system, improve it, carry out reforms, etc. but Yushchenko betrayed everyone and ruined all confidence in himself as a person who could lead Ukraine forward. Even during the famine of 32-33. local "princelings" overfulfilled Moscow's plans to confiscate food and shoot at times ... in order to better curry favor.
      1. pawel57
        pawel57 18 November 2013 20: 46
        +3
        You know, ordinary citizens certainly consider you fraternal people. You are mistaken that ordinary Russians are sleeping and see your Kiev pick up. Crimea, and the fact that nearby is not yours and I bet more. In general, you FSU .... We decided to Europe, your business, good riddance. We will protect our interest. I travel by car to Crimea at the time, the degradation of industrial cities is striking, our roads will be especially central better. Your Yeshe under the USSR covered, it was good that patching began to do. And in Yalta there are many unfinished boarding houses and abandoned. Our people are not angels, but misunderstandings arise mainly because of your nationalists. Only Lukashenko is a patriot of his people that you have what is at the top of our betrayal.
    3. VARCHUN
      VARCHUN 19 November 2013 23: 26
      0
      First I wanted to supplement your historical essay, they did not capitulate but fought against the majority, I was for the Russian army, and they were waiting for Khmelnitsky's son to come to the rear of the enemy, but he did not even move forward. -then the slave trade among the Turks went like "hot piroshki" so navryatli all of them up to their throats. But a separate one for the brothers, THANKS TO YOU I AM THE RUSSIAN PEOPLE ALSO THINKING
  10. SEM
    SEM 18 November 2013 09: 06
    0
    Quote: aszzz888
    The fact that the mericatos drive a wedge between Russia and Ukraine is an obvious fact. But Yanukovych slowed down with the entry into the EU. Another presidential political trick.

    IT IS SEVERABLE IN THE HEAD OF EVERYTHING THAT OIL is there, although everything is obvious it is only worth taking off "rose-colored glasses" occasionally ...
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    1. Valery Neonov
      Valery Neonov 18 November 2013 11: 41
      0
      +++ Judging by the latest news, Yanukovych does not "jump", rather jumps up and down (Russia is not too anyhow), you need to be careful ... and for personalities like himself.
      1. leon-iv
        leon-iv 18 November 2013 11: 45
        +5
        Her urkainu in the vehicle can not be allowed. It is necessary to give them to be spoiled in full by themselves. And then again start to whine supposedly m. Oskali nas.rali in your favorite harem pants. Project Ukraine must be CLOSED.
    2. morpex
      morpex 18 November 2013 12: 15
      +1
      Quote: leon-iv
      Hohlodurka on the march.

      I would like to answer you in your own gopov jargon, but it will not work, "fair" moderators will not let it through .. And I don’t want to fall to your curb lexicon. Why don’t we love Ukraine? Muskwich?
      1. leon-iv
        leon-iv 18 November 2013 13: 25
        +5
        .Because so do not love Ukraine dear?

        I consider Ukraine an occupied territory. For me it makes no difference that Yanukovych that Erich Koch. Ukraine is absolutely pro-Western and hostile to us. And as an artificial state has no right to exist. And all the leadership of the current Neyen needs to be destroyed at the root. Like the Rad, and you can still send half of our Duma to that, that is, at a rate, and cut down another forest.
        Maskwich?

        Ivanovo, what?
        1. zmey_gadukin
          zmey_gadukin 18 November 2013 13: 51
          +1
          Quote: leon-iv
          And as an artificial state has no right to exist.

          Who are you to insult the country of Ukraine?

          And why can’t you insult Russia? (Which is practically no one does) And can Ukraine be?
          The question in your intellectual and moral level is quite open ...
          1. leon-iv
            leon-iv 18 November 2013 14: 04
            +1
            country to Ukraine?

            But the country burst forth. Your country has no empire fragments. Without a future. Which, thanks to the efforts of Ilita’s porridge, rolls back rapidly.
            Then the other day, Yanyk said sho they say nafig us industry we have the Union of Artists and we have energy. So what are we waiting for industrial crops and finish off the remnants of Soviet energy.
            moral level is quite open ...

            Yes, I can say there that I am a cruel cynic. And I think that the regions of Ukraine should be attached to Russia in parts. And the desire of the leadership to eat nenki and fish touches MPH. As mriy about the second France.
            1. sapran
              sapran 18 November 2013 14: 19
              +4
              A bad thought ... In order to consider something, one must probably have a document on it (a diploma, or a certificate of the president, a heraldic book of the kind of state ruler, something like that)
            2. zmey_gadukin
              zmey_gadukin 18 November 2013 14: 25
              +5
              Quote: leon-iv
              But the country burst forth.

              For me, no worse than yours. Do you know who laugh?

              Quote: leon-iv
              Your country has no empire fragments.

              Do you dream of an empire? These are complexes. They need to be eradicated. I’m telling you as a psychologist with 10 years of experience. Look, so that later there would be no problems with the psyche. This thing is thin)))

              Quote: leon-iv
              nafig us industry we have CX and energy is. So what are we waiting for industrial crops and finish off the remnants of Soviet energy.

              Do not give out your incompetence in these matters.

              Quote: leon-iv
              that I am a cruel cynic. And I think that the regions of Ukraine should be attached to Russia in parts

              cynic or lyricist ... or science fiction? ))) Any attempt to join any part of Ukraine. will be regarded as seizing the territory of a sovereign power, violation of all treaties ... and the answer will be armed resistance.

              So leave your nonsense to yourself.
              1. leon-iv
                leon-iv 18 November 2013 14: 49
                +1
                For me, no worse than yours. Do you know who laugh?

                Lol what?
                It compares like an elephant and a pug.
                Russia's GDP 2,015 trillion USD
                Nenki's GDP of 176,3 billion USD
                For other positions we will compare?
                Do you dream of an empire?

                Rather, I express the opinion of the majority of the population of Russia.
                I’m telling you as a psychologist with 10 years of experience. Look, so that later there would be no problems with the psyche.

                Oh thanks. But not the topic.
                Do not give out your incompetence in these matters.

                Yeah, look what happens with the industry. And it wasn’t said by me, but by your El President Yanukovych
                Any attempt to join any part of Ukraine. will be regarded as seizing the territory of a sovereign power, violation of all treaties ... and the answer will be armed resistance.

                Who the people do not make me laugh? He will be deeply violet for a hateful mentality. Well, your army is that name.

                Threat Is it an independent country?
                Yatsenyuk reminded Yanukovych of US sanctions if the signing of the Association Agreement is disrupted
                1. sapran
                  sapran 18 November 2013 14: 53
                  +3
                  Russia is great. So thank God and live happily! I also wish you peace. Just don’t touch "my hut will hide" this is not your trick ...
                  1. leon-iv
                    leon-iv 18 November 2013 14: 56
                    +4
                    We don’t touch your chip. We will just need the territory of present-day Ukraine in the future. So we are setting the stage.
                    1. sapran
                      sapran 18 November 2013 15: 02
                      +6
                      ... do you need it? A lot of territories where there is one person per 100 sq. Km and what else is needed? master, settle, process you there, no one interferes with YOURS and you are the owners there! Well so to the neighbor then. our earth is worn out, poisoned by Chernobyl, fossils are worn out here "tasty" then there is nothing ...
                      1. leon-iv
                        leon-iv 18 November 2013 15: 08
                        +2
                        Well so to the neighbor then. our earth is worn out, poisoned by Chernobyl, fossils are worn out here "tasty", then there is nothing ...

                        hmm you don't call things right. Ukraine in Russia is perceived as part of its territory. This is not an alien world.
                      2. sapran
                        sapran 18 November 2013 15: 12
                        +6
                        It’s strange ... I perceive Russia as a great state that borders on my homeland (this is my homeland) I do not need anything from Russia except good neighborly relations.
                      3. I am a Russian
                        I am a Russian 18 November 2013 19: 51
                        0
                        "I don't need anything from Russia except good-neighborly relations"

                        Ukraine much that is required
                        ... but there are no good neighborly relations between Ukraine and Russia.
                  2. zmey_gadukin
                    zmey_gadukin 18 November 2013 15: 13
                    -4
                    Quote: sapran
                    ... do you need it?

                    Yes, no one but a handful of emperors need it
                  3. regsSSSR
                    regsSSSR 18 November 2013 20: 22
                    +3
                    sapran
                    our land is exhausted, poisoned by Chernobyl, fossils wear out


                    Well, it's you! how would they complain about the quality of the land and the lack of minerals
                    Belarus from the aftermath of the Chernobyl accident suffered dozens of times more damage than Ukraine, even to Minsk the wave came! there are no energy resources and in sight, but just do not have any !!
                    and some people live, people work, they’re not friends with Russia)

                    sapran
                    there is nothing "tasty" here ...


                    well, nothing
                    and CRIMEA !!!)))
                  4. KuzmichDP
                    KuzmichDP 18 November 2013 22: 52
                    +3
                    I’ll answer you, dear, for the growth and development of our state we need all the components of the collapsed Soviet military-industrial complex, and for the state to have stable economic growth, for this we need to unite all parts of our country into one powerful fist, only then we will begin a gradual and the phased restoration of the once united country from ruins. This simple truth was understood, understood and will be understood by all the rulers who care little about their country, or the ruler. In Ukraine, there is just a part of this military-industrial complex, so we go after our own. the components of one single organism can exist separately from each other. This is how to separate the body from the head or vice versa, and both of them will certainly not exist for long, but they will die anyway with only a small time difference. yes hi
            3. zmey_gadukin
              zmey_gadukin 18 November 2013 15: 12
              -7
              Quote: leon-iv
              Lol what?

              you are 14 years old?
              Quote: leon-iv
              It compares like an elephant and a pug.

              but I do not compare, I love my country
              and to compare is again a manifestation of complexes. )))

              Quote: leon-iv
              Rather, I express the opinion of the majority of the population of Russia.

              Proof of? They are not, and you are just balabol.
              Quote: leon-iv
              Yeah, look what happens to the industry

              And what is happening to her?
              Quote: leon-iv
              Who the people do not make me laugh? He will be deeply violet for a hateful mentality. Well, your army is that name.

              Stupid child, you don’t feel illusions))) Just about modern Ukraine and the mood in it, you don’t understand a damn thing. Let me remind you that Ukraine has been independent for 23 years. But I'm afraid it's more than your age.
              I will dwell only on one point - In connection with the transition to a contract, there are queues at the military registration and enlistment offices. Young people are trying to BUY medical fees in order to get to the service. Interesting, do you have that too?
              Well, about our army ... It’s enough that any occupier would make the occupation very sweet. Think about it.
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 18 November 2013 15: 17
                +5
                Quote: zmey_gadukin
                - In connection with the transition to a contract, there are queues at the military commissariats. Young people are trying to BUY medical fees in order to get to the service

                Wordless wassat
                1. zmey_gadukin
                  zmey_gadukin 18 November 2013 15: 21
                  -2
                  Do not believe? In vain ...
                  Although you, pan novels, would lick the gossip))))
                  Well, whatever the child would be amusing)))
                2. leon-iv
                  leon-iv 18 November 2013 15: 32
                  +3
                  Well so here we are indignant that Samoelt are not buying shelves. And in Nenko everyone quietly quietly sells themselves the remnants of the USSR military-industrial complex.
                  Here we swear what cruisers should be like, and they have a frigate flagship of the fleet. Well, etc., etc.
                  1. zmey_gadukin
                    zmey_gadukin 19 November 2013 00: 50
                    +1
                    Quote: leon-iv
                    Here we swear what cruisers should be like, and they have a frigate flagship of the fleet. Well, etc., etc.

                    gee ... and we have fewer seas ... would you still recommend an aircraft carrier)))))
                  2. leon-iv
                    leon-iv 19 November 2013 08: 28
                    0
                    How yuy is better to look at how much the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Federation and Nenka from the Black Sea Fleet of the USSR retained.
              2. leon-iv
                leon-iv 18 November 2013 16: 41
                +1
                Sanya look Naryl here
                The brigade 5700 hryvnia 5700 * 4,5 is about 26 thousand rubles. With us, the ORDER contractor receives without a good position.
                1. sapran
                  sapran 18 November 2013 18: 16
                  +6
                  it’s very interesting, but the brigade commander gets a little more than that as I am telling you as a military pensioner. The sums indicated by you for us today are only for contractors in the airborne forces, sailors and flyers. The lieutenant colonel of pehtura receives from 5600-6300 UAH. So we have something like this .. and pictures can be drawn different.
                  I am glad that, at last, over 20 years of development, the Russian army has begun to buy and repair something, but here, as it were, the status obliges to cover up the holes and shame. All the same, you strive to be called a "super-power" and this is worth a lot. Good luck with that.
                2. klim44
                  klim44 18 November 2013 18: 29
                  0
                  who do you get so many contractors? That is why they cannot be recruited into the army.
                3. leon-iv
                  leon-iv 18 November 2013 19: 17
                  +1
                  Remind me when rush is needed?
              3. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 19 November 2013 04: 13
                -1
                Quote: leon-iv
                . With us, the ORDER contractor receives without a good position.

                Yes, to hell with her salary is only plans and no more, no matter how reduced it by half, given the economic realities of Ukraine. But they will buy as many as 9 tanks laughing
          2. leon-iv
            leon-iv 18 November 2013 15: 27
            +1
            you are 14 years old?

            nea 100500
            Proof of? They are not, and you are just balabol.

            As be no, study the growth dynamics of Stalin's popularity. And do not confuse the monarchy and the empire.
            And what is happening to her?

            Here's an example
            In Ukraine, the production of cars is reduced
            October 14, 2013

            According to the Ukravtoprom association, in September 3 new cars were produced in Ukraine - 794% less than in the same month of 38,6.

            Of these, 3 units fell on purely passenger models, 386 units were produced for commercial vehicles. Another 197 are buses.

            In total, over the 9 months of 2013, the output fell by 45,2% and amounted to 32 vehicles.

            Didn’t you hear about Lugansk?
            Stupid child, do not you yourself illusions)))

            ears
            Let me remind you that Ukraine has been independent for 23 years.

            From whom? From the interests of Ukrainians Yes.
            Young people are trying to BUY medical fees in order to get to the service. Interesting, do you have that too?

            No, for nafig it is not necessary, since most of the contractors come to us after military service.
            Enough for any occupier to make the occupation very sweet. Think about it.

            Wahahaha When did you have District level exercises? When did the Air Force receive the last new aircraft? Navy ship. What is your air force’s raid? Right next to me is the Military Airfield, so there almost every day there are flights of the BTA and AWACS.
            1. zmey_gadukin
              zmey_gadukin 18 November 2013 15: 55
              +3
              Quote: leon-iv
              As be no, study the growth dynamics of Stalin's popularity. And do not confuse the monarchy and empire

              I don’t see the specifics
              Another blah blah blah. Statistics, and not statements of Zhirinovsky come on, right?

              Quote: leon-iv
              Here's an example

              A good example. For machines, engines, heavy machinery, building structures, fertilizers, wagons, etc. so too? No. there are enterprises that have caved in, there are very successful ones.
              Quote: leon-iv
              Didn’t you hear about Lugansk?

              And what about Lugansk? extinct?

              Quote: leon-iv
              Right next to me is the Military Airfield, so there almost every day there are flights of the BTA and AWACS.

              I recommend to visit Chuguev and see the flights with my own eyes, and not write nonsense)
              1. leon-iv
                leon-iv 18 November 2013 16: 10
                -1
                I don’t see the specifics
                Another blah blah blah. Statistics, and not statements of Zhirinovsky come on, right?

                Yes nivapros
                The attitude towards Stalin was extremely negative in the early 1990s, which can be explained by the abundance of anti-Soviet journalism. However, since then the opinion of Russians about the "leader of the working people" has become more and more positive: "In March 2003, VTsIOM published the data of sociological polls, according to which as many as 22% had a positive attitude towards Stalin. In 1990, this figure was only 8%. And after For five years, in March 2008, VTsIOM has already given such data - 42% of respondents agreed that the country needs a leader like Stalin. At the same time, 53% of respondents assessed his role positively. " In 2009, VTsIOM stated bluntly: "The positive attitude towards Stalin outweighs the negative emotions towards this person."
                .....

                In the Internet voting "Name of Russia" (project of the TV channel "Russia"), designed to determine the greatest Russian figures in its entire history, Stalin took third place. And for a long time, Stalin headed the rating of popular sympathies.
                Details

                No. there are enterprises that have caved in, there are very successful ones.

                So far there is. Kulinichi for example bully
                And what about Lugansk? extinct?

                Yes, somehow not ale
                The decline in industrial production in Ukraine for nine months from the beginning of the year amounted to 5,2%, according to the State Statistics Service.

                Moreover, the crisis in the industry is exacerbated more and more. If in July the decline in production was 4,9%, in August - 5,2%, then in September it reached 5,6%. The fall was recorded even compared to August 2013 - by 0,4%.


                I recommend to visit Chuguev and see the flights with my own eyes, and not write nonsense)

                Once again I ask what is the average air raid in the Nenki Air Force? We have from the type and qualifications of the pilot from 140 to 200-250
              2. zmey_gadukin
                zmey_gadukin 18 November 2013 20: 19
                +1
                Quote: leon-iv
                attitude towards Stalin was extremely negative in the early 1990s

                what does this have to do with the fact that ... in your words, "the opinion of the majority of the population of Russia." dream of an empire? What does Stalin's personality have to do with it? You are really a child, if you do not understand that Stalin, above all, is appreciated for his, let's say, organizational skills, and not for creating an empire.
                Quote: leon-iv
                So far there is. Kulinichi for example

                I heard about NKMZ, no? Googly lad.
                Quote: leon-iv
                Yes, somehow not ale

                og, firstly, references to your statue, secondly, let's compare it with the world ... is Russia growing? Is there an increase in the world? Come on, no crap, statistician.
                Quote: leon-iv
                Once again I ask what is the average air raid in the Nenki Air Force?

                I didn’t count on a raid, but I often happen to be near Chuguev. Fly constantly. Fly a lot.
              3. leon-iv
                leon-iv 18 November 2013 23: 10
                +3
                What is Stalin’s personality?

                How would he be the founder of the empire of the USSR
                organizational skills, not for creating an empire.

                What are you saying? But I didn’t know.
                Although I would quote ohlobystia here
                The task of this logic of the Imperium is to help a person regain lost dreams and continue his evolutionary development.

                Although your hackneyed mentality may not understand Phrases
                Russia has no borders, only horizons
                And if you look closely then the USSR had all the signs of a colonial empire.
                I heard about NKMZ, no? Googly lad.

                So what? More logical turboatom. Well daladno we have an enterprise which in 50% works in the Russian Federation. Having an average RFP of 3000 hryvnias, this is about 13000 thousand rubles.
                I would be in your place as a turboatom as an example. Well, okay, where do we go to the technologists before the psychologists.
                I open vacancies turner RF ok 40K
                Milling machine 45-50K do you think that your best specialists work for you?
                Come on, no crap, statistician.

                What fart burns?
                Only here is the nuance Your economy is fully export-oriented to the Russian Federation in which the program for replacing Ukroprodukty with your own is working. Remember Poroshenko. Even in Poland I didn’t see 100500 trucks with chocolates.
                I didn’t count on a raid, but I often happen to be near Chuguev. Fly constantly. Fly a lot.

                Don’t be shy, come on. How much plaque. How many aircraft underwent scheduled repairs; how many on board upgrades; how many arrived.
                And according to Chuguev, these are cadets on the L-39. We have if the new Yak-130s (38th in stock 52 before the end of the year will be the tradition to take everything in December) are bought and cadets have a good raid until the end of the school
              4. zmey_gadukin
                zmey_gadukin 19 November 2013 00: 40
                +1
                Quote: leon-iv
                How would he be the founder of the empire of the USSR

                So what? it does not confirm your words

                Quote: leon-iv
                Russia has no borders, only horizons. And if you look closely, the USSR had all the signs of a colonial empire.

                but I don’t argue with this, how many do not give you - not enough
                Quote: leon-iv
                I would be in your place as a turboatom as an example.

                come on then on all indicators?
                Or do you just want to boast that Russia is richer?
                Well, then why haven’t you replaced them yet? What else do you buy our machines? Engineering products? Because they drank ... and in the near future nothing will be built)
                Quote: leon-iv
                Only here is the nuance: Your economy is fully export-oriented to the Russian Federation in which the program for replacing Ukrainian products with your own

                read above
                Quote: leon-iv
                And according to Chuguev, these are cadets on L-39

                is it really bad Better on them than on foot, I think so.
    3. I am a Russian
      I am a Russian 18 November 2013 19: 54
      +2
      Quote: zmey_gadukin
      Young people are trying to BUY medical fees in order to get to the service.


      it’s not the patriotism of young people that drives such actions, but only unemployment
      1. zmey_gadukin
        zmey_gadukin 19 November 2013 00: 42
        0
        Quote: I am a Russian
        it’s not the patriotism of young people that drives such actions, but only unemployment

        it is possible to graduate from school and work as a welder or turner for more money
    4. Andrew-53
      Andrew-53 18 November 2013 23: 07
      +1
      Let me remind you that Ukraine has been independent for 23 years.
      I don’t know which author is a psychologist, but a mathematician is worthless. USSR died in
      December 1991 Buy a calculator.
      1. zmey_gadukin
        zmey_gadukin 19 November 2013 00: 43
        0
        Quote: Andrew-53
        December 1991

        noticed? rejoice)))
  • Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 18 November 2013 19: 37
    +1
    Kid, about "10 years of experience" - that's strong! Don't be late for school, your mother will scold ...
    1. zmey_gadukin
      zmey_gadukin 18 November 2013 20: 20
      -3
      Quote: Mikhail3
      Kid, about "10 years of experience" - that's strong! Don't be late for school, your mother will scold ...

      you didn’t even learn to troll ... or try to leave at least one intelligible comment))) a serious site - your vysers don’t roll)))
  • mountain
    mountain 18 November 2013 19: 51
    +2
    Quote: zmey_gadukin

    cynic or lyricist ... or science fiction? ))) Any attempt to join any part of Ukraine. will be regarded as a seizure of the territory of a sovereign power

    Yes nafig you need and capture you, you now do not understand normal relations, but will end up in Europe. And in a year or three you’ll raise such a buzz yourself, how you can do it. You get up on the stoves so that Russia gets you out of shit. And for me, you got your blood brothers so much, take everything that belongs to Russia from you and walk in peace.
    1. sapran
      sapran 18 November 2013 23: 54
      +1
      Forgive me, but really there are certain difficulties with the definition of "normal relations ..." probably either translation difficulties or a difference in mentality, but something on the face of a reverse reaction ...
    2. zmey_gadukin
      zmey_gadukin 19 November 2013 00: 44
      +1
      Quote: mountain
      Yes nafig you need and capture you

      this must be explained to comrade leon-iv (5)
  • Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 18 November 2013 15: 24
    +2
    Quote: zmey_gadukin
    And why can not you insult Russia?

    If only because it is Russian sayit!
  • In the book
    In the book 18 November 2013 15: 01
    0
    Quote: leon-iv
    Ivanovo, what?

    Yes, nothing, you can see by flight.
  • morpex
    morpex 18 November 2013 20: 06
    +2
    [quote = leon-iv] Like the rad, you can also send half our thoughts to the expense, that is, to the expense, and another forest fells [/ quote]
    And here is a plus for it. A healthy thought!

    [quote = leon-iv] [quote]. Ukraine is absolutely pro-Western and hostile to us.
    Your government’s policy towards Ukraine, too, can not be called loyal, to put it mildly. But it doesn’t stop me from loving Russia and its people and don’t slide down to insults towards it. Regarding the artificiality of the country, I’ll say this: after the collapse of the Union, all formations are on it former territories are artificial. Is that so? At least based on your logic ...
    1. regsSSSR
      regsSSSR 18 November 2013 22: 02
      +3
      morpex
      .As for the artificiality of the country, I will say this. After the collapse of the Union, all the formations on its former territory are artificial. Is that so? At least based on your logic ...


      I can develop a thought, but if the USSR had gotten into 15 republics, let’s say naa 315! and let’s say it’s disconnected from the new Russia (the Novgorod region itself was also once captured and forcibly attached to Moscow! well, or the Pskov Kostroma is not important, etc.) would come up with their own language, well, let's say some ancient Slovenian and would say that they are all like one true patriots of the true homeland and all Muscovites, imperialists, invaders and usurpers only sleep and see how, as it were, to return independent Novgorod back to the empire again !!
      reminds nothing !!
      the fact of the matter is that someone even cannot perceive Ukraine and Belarus as a foreign state, just as if no one would ever seriously seriously consider Novgorod an independent European power, this is complete nonsense !!
      Ukraine has always been an incomplete part of Russia
      and Russia is an incomplete part of Ukraine and its common Slovenian people
      everything else is artificially induced hassle
      I note that to other countries of the former Union there is no such great attention as to Ukraine and someone is not particularly trying to return them (if they want to let them ask themselves), but everything is not so with Ukraine for this reason WE ARE ONE PEOPLE and it turns out Caucasians are considered Russian and there is no Ukrainian the ethnic group is much closer to the Russians, well, some kind of nonsense.
      1. morpex
        morpex 18 November 2013 23: 09
        +3
        Quote: regressSSSR
        the fact of the matter is that Ukraine and Belarus can not even be perceived by someone as a foreign state

        Quote: regressSSSR
        Ukraine has always been an incomplete part of Russia and Russia an incomplete part of Ukraine and its common Slovenian people

        I fully share your views. But this is not about that! And About Mutual RESPECT !!! Artificial or historically formed education - what difference does it? People who love their homeland and do not spit in their souls constantly telling them disgusting things about the country in which they live. This does not honor people who write such comments. If they want sracha, please. On any website of nationalists and get out to the fullest. There are a lot of such figures there ...
    2. leon-iv
      leon-iv 18 November 2013 23: 16
      +1
      you can’t call it loyal But it doesn’t stop me from loving Russia and its people and don’t slide down to insults towards it. Regarding the artificiality of the country, I will say this. After the collapse of the Union, all the formations on its former territory are artificial. Is that so? At least based on your logic ...

      Namely so artificial their fate to be part of something more.
      And about the people, where I said that I belittle the rights of Ukrainians? I'm talking about the leadership of nenki. Which for its power will cling to the last. And how can I relate to Ukrainians if my wife is Ukrainian and the children are half Ukrainians?
      1. morpex
        morpex 18 November 2013 23: 39
        +1
        Quote: leon-iv
        Her urkainu in the vehicle can not be allowed. It is necessary to give them to be spoiled in full by themselves. And then again start to whine supposedly m. Oskali nas.rali in your favorite harem pants. Project Ukraine must be CLOSED.

        Do you really think that you do not offend the people living here by speaking so "flattering" about their country?
        And how is your wife? Reading your "opuses"?
        1. leon-iv
          leon-iv 18 November 2013 23: 44
          +3
          Moreover, she is in solidarity with me in this matter.
  • Cristall
    Cristall 19 November 2013 03: 01
    +3
    frankly speaking, such words have already done a lot of “good” for “some” Ukrainians more than appeals for friendship - another adequate part.
    Leadership is not a pity. I do not think it is occupied territory - we were born here, as it were - our fathers and mothers and their parents were born here ... It is unlikely that they are invaders ..
    Verkhovna Zrada - but they won’t even be taken in a psycho ... incurable.
    Separate Ukraine and the Government in each phrase (the Government of Ukraine doesn’t get my word in it — it’s just the Government, whose etching - I’ve not yet figured out ..)
    Stop dividing our territory into parts! Pieces of land and others.
    Either all or nothing! Think about it.
  • Boris55
    Boris55 18 November 2013 09: 40
    +1
    What is happening in Ukraine from the point of view of a Ukrainian. (from 9 minutes)
    Alexander Vladimirovich Galaidin.

  • kmike
    kmike 18 November 2013 09: 50
    +5
    I’m wondering whether Yanukovych himself understands whether or not that by joining the EU he hangs a loop around his neck. If Ukraine enters, then Yulia will be free, and then the president of Ukraine. In this case, Yanukovych will be in prison, which country will he escape to? In this case, there simply will not be a country on Earth where he can calmly live his life. THE ONLY OPTION IS ONLY WITH RUSSIA.
    1. chehywed
      chehywed 18 November 2013 11: 16
      +9
      Quote: kmike
      I’m wondering whether Yanukovych himself understands whether or not that by joining the EU he hangs a loop around his neck

      Understands, and therefore shies from side to side laughing
      1. VARCHUN
        VARCHUN 19 November 2013 23: 43
        +1
        And you yourself understand where he is already, or rather his sons where they have already taken root, I have a business, because you think whether he needs your vehicle or in the EU.
  • Known who
    Known who 18 November 2013 10: 15
    -4
    Russia (that is, Putin) would not play with the gas valve, would not dictate its "correct" opinion from a position of strength, Russia would not scare Ukraine from Russia like the devil from incense.

    But in essence, big business serves only itself - it is deeply for the people and the country where it makes money.
    1. HAM
      HAM 18 November 2013 11: 17
      +2
      What does the gas valve have to do with it? If it weren’t something else, the neighbor would always have something wrong.
      1. Captain Vrungel
        Captain Vrungel 18 November 2013 12: 27
        +7
        Everyone speaks clever things. Everyone sees the right path for the future development of Ukraine. They just don't want to understand that nothing depends on us. They surrendered the state to thieves and crooks without a fight. The oligarchs are furious with fat from the people stolen from the people and legalized into their untouchable property, the complete isolation of the people from building an empire for their loved ones. We can only punch with the left or right and that's it. The power vertical was built in such a way that, throwing away national pride, one can safely consider oneself as a "biomass". And no more. Well, yes, utter patriotic slogans and wave flags. And then under strict control in the power of fatteners. We are not building states for the people, but territories for the modern slave system.
        And understand the main thing. ALREADY DEPENDS ON ANYTHING. In any case, in the nearest foreseeable future.
        1. alone
          alone 18 November 2013 20: 58
          -2
          laughing read the title of the article and did not read further. So it’s clear that the next srach on the topic of Ukraine will begin.
  • Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 18 November 2013 10: 16
    12
    Again Ukraine. How many problems because of one state, just like with the Commonwealth, where in order to silence the Poles screaming at all about "Russian barbarism" ™, the Poles managed to silence only by dividing Poland with Austria and Prussia. Now their "comrades" have joined the inadequate Poles with the "fraternal" Western Ukraine. I propose: recall the historical experience, deal with at least one problem, since the Poles, for now, do not shut up, let's divide Ukraine, Western Ukraine, so be the European Union, let them deal with it themselves, Eastern Ukraine and Crimea to us, Crimea has always belonged to Russia, and Eastern Ukraine is the same Russia, its population will not even notice that they already live in another state. Well, or at least respect the veterans and all adequate people, and "accidentally" remove a cluster bomb on the march Ukrainian nationalists, or supporters of the UPA, need to return them to their "normal state", ie. disperse through forests and swamps, let the wolves and bears explain "the advantages of the European choice."
    1. sapran
      sapran 18 November 2013 14: 26
      +1
      that no comment you’re doing a sad share if the neighbors think so. and what should a simple citizen do? it’s like they didn’t write out special benefits from the Motherland, just live according to the mind and conscience, and then they called them and appointed us almost without any harm ... Don’t judge, but you won’t be judged !!!
    2. T-73
      T-73 18 November 2013 19: 21
      +2
      Thanks for the suggestion, of course. Do you propose to divide Poland again? And then what? And why did East Ukraine become Russia? It was Ukraine, is and will be. We do not take Crimea: Have you ever been to Chernivtsi for example? Little books to read. Need to reckon with other people
      1. chehywed
        chehywed 18 November 2013 19: 57
        0
        Alexei, what do you have to say for Chernivtsi? I’ve been from there for two weeks. And with regards to the East of Ukraine, before the revolution of 17 and long after Kharkov, Kharkov was not a Ukrainian city.
        1. T-73
          T-73 19 November 2013 11: 40
          +1
          Vladimir, I simply liked Chernivtsi. Met well, by the way completely strangers. I don’t know how now, but I remember it. But for Kharkov I will not say anything. It was a passage from Yevpatoriya, the train stood already 40 minutes there. In addition to the harsh police officers who had almost arrested for the camera (they decided to take a picture with their brother-in-law, the station should be given credit for the Eurofootball festival and lit up - give the way! Plus euro-electrics) and the station square (fountains, beauty!) And did not see anything.
  • stalkerwalker
    stalkerwalker 18 November 2013 10: 17
    +7
    Some series is endless ...
    Already just wondering - what will end? laughing
  • KazaK Bo
    KazaK Bo 18 November 2013 10: 23
    +4
    KUCHMA's multi-vector nature is in the past ... Yanukovych's purposefulness-- remember the movie "AIBOLIT 66" ... how the antihero sang there "NORMAL HEROES ALWAYS GO TO BYPASS ..." It seems that in Kiev they go exactly this way (just how not to get lost )
    ... And even more, the situation in UKRAINE is similar to the situation of the heroes of the fable of A. KRYLOV - about Lebed ... Cancer ... and Pike ... There is not and is not visible even on a very distant horizon ANY POLITICAL FORCE WAY TO UNITE THE PEOPLE in a single whole ... The mentality is too different ... soaked with the milk of the mother of the people in the East and West, South and North of Ukraine! So why torment the people? Maybe it would be the best option to let these representatives of the fauna go to their native environment ... to ... where they would feel better, in their opinion ... but it would be comfortable or not ... This another question, but no less interesting !!!?
    An economically self-sufficient East, South, partially North feed itself and still remain for development ...
    But the nationalist West of Ukraine, which still lives at the expense of subsidies from the developed East, ... I don't know ... I don't know what they can do ... Almost all the forest and products of the forestry complex have already been taken out ... as well as beautiful girls in ..., young healthy guys were sent to the "black service" ... the bowels are not very rich in raw materials (due to the poor coal of Volhynia and not very significant hydrocarbon reserves of Drohobych, it is not very possible to "fatten") ... But curses alone addressing "her" you will not live at all ... Then it will be determined ... WHO WAS RIGHT?
    And in order to make it even easier to understand ... you just need to set the conditions for resolving the problem even harder ... only after signing unambiguously oriented documents will the regime of greatest neighborly cooperation be provided. How much can you help ... and in return get only spit ... The time has come to decide .. That is what our president said ...
    Really-- it's time !!!
  • Sochi
    Sochi 18 November 2013 10: 35
    +1
    Ukraine still does not understand the simple truth - in politics there are no friends and allies, in politics there are only OWN interests, and no one will ever protect the interests of the weak if this does not bring benefit to the defender ... And if they get the benefit of the weak, they will throw, or trample and destroyed. And nobody who respects the jackal between the powerful of this world, they only use him.
    1. sapran
      sapran 18 November 2013 14: 38
      +3
      it is said very strongly and correctly ... even actually there is nothing to add. In this world, only power is respected ... so being rich, strong and healthy is probably good ... So that Europe, that Russia, that the distant USA is all one ....
  • Mhpv
    Mhpv 18 November 2013 10: 37
    +2
    Yanukovych himself drove himself into the hole:

    Going to the EU, you need to let Yulia out, and in an instant he will provide him with the same "hut" and ruin his family. did not reach.
  • pahom54
    pahom54 18 November 2013 10: 42
    11
    So I lived 60 years on this earth, and before I would never have dreamed in a worst nightmare that Russian-Ukrainian-Belarusians would become strangers ... However, this happened.
    It began with the fact that three drunken fools in the bathhouse destroyed the Soviet Union, and no one prevented them from doing it. Well, then off we go: the fools at the head of the newly formed states changed each other, and the dialogue between the “leaders” of these “countries” reminds since then the conversation of three drunken drinking companions: Do you respect me? No, you don't respect me ... Do you remember, you tell me ...
    It is unfortunate that Ukraine has not only become distant, it is always striving to become an enemy of Russia, the actions of its leaders simply emphasize this. And, what’s most important and insulting - to let her go, to drive away from her as a betraying friend - it seems impossible, because she will join the enemies. And on the other hand - and let him go to enemies, since the betrayer will betray him more than once, and then let him betray his new-found friends.
    I am not talking about the people of Ukraine, but about Ukraine as a political state entity. Although I am a kitchen politician, I am sure that some time will pass, and Ukraine will ask us to "be friends", but it will already be a cut off piece ...
    The author of the article says: in this battle (for Ukraine) the West won, and Russia lost ... Yes, not a damn thing like that! Russia will survive without Ukraine, and Ukraine, which turned out to be unnecessary after its role as a political prostitute, will be the loser. The West will also be the loser, having loaded itself with another parasite (because it does not need Ukraine’s economy and industry, and will have to feed it for own account).
    1. vlad_pr
      vlad_pr 18 November 2013 19: 36
      +4
      Sorry, I wanted to write earlier, but in the last three weeks something incomprehensible has been going on with the site, either through PROXY or directly (Vladivostok time), therefore, until it fell off, I wrote at the end. I am under 60, as they say, I have to go to VK twice. But regarding Ukraine, I think that all normal Rusaks should clamp their genitals in their pockets, and endure until the situation is resolved. Any screams, even with the best of intentions, will only go to the enemy's mill. Read the Polish or Baltic sites, they are just waiting for the statements of our "Site-admiral-generals", who are good with verbal diarrhea, but with their heads, "they still eat into it."
      For truly Russian idiotic patriots: In my Family there are Ukrainians, Chaldons, Teleuki, Russians, Tatars, Udege .... If some troll wants to show off, I do not recommend, in the name of friendship and honor of the peoples of the USSR, I will kill the reptile.
      Sincerely.
      1. I am a Russian
        I am a Russian 18 November 2013 20: 01
        0
        Quote: vlad_pr
        I am up to 60, as they say, twice left to go to VK.


        Health to you! Do not rush there .... share your experience.
  • Bosk
    Bosk 18 November 2013 10: 43
    +7
    The fate of Turkey awaits Ukraine, they promise mountains, and then they start to chew ... pickle. Europe needs Ukraine as a market and cheap labor, and not as a country with developed industry and economy. The funny thing is that everyone understands this ...
    1. morpex
      morpex 18 November 2013 23: 14
      +1
      Quote: Bosk
      The fate of Turkey awaits Ukraine,

      Not a bad fate, I will tell you. Information for thought "1992. Per capita income somewhere around 6000-6500 thousand dollars per capita in both countries. 2013. Turkey -14, Ukraine-200!
  • morpogr
    morpogr 18 November 2013 11: 00
    14
    It's a shame that people do not ask politicians to decide their personal interests, but hard workers suffer especially from the south and southeast who lose their jobs.
    1. Bosk
      Bosk 18 November 2013 11: 24
      +2
      When the Union collapsed, it was sort of asked ... well, and then they did it their own way.
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  • ed65b
    ed65b 18 November 2013 11: 04
    +6
    The European Union has already stated that it will not compensate for the losses to Ukraine. And Yanukovych is a political corpse, regardless of whether he signs the association or not. "Zapadentsy" will not forgive if he does not sign, "Russians" if he signs. dead end, and he drove himself into it.
  • Sashko07
    Sashko07 18 November 2013 11: 14
    +2
    Everyone has long known that the 5 richest people in Ukraine who hold almost the entire industry - endure all the power of their factories, plants, etc. to Europe, hence the European integration of Yanukovych. This is not even politics, but pure business.
    Stop scribbling such articles, nothing will change from this, if everything depended on the Ukrainian people, then yes - such articles could be written endlessly, hoping that the situation would change.
    1. smirnov
      smirnov 18 November 2013 12: 42
      +5
      Are you relocating metallurgical plants and mines? What are you raving about? Petit Poroshenko's factory is a little different in scale ... You are apparently just from the western part of our country, since you have such a vague idea of ​​what production "power" is ...
      1. Sashko07
        Sashko07 18 November 2013 18: 41
        0
        To get started, read who these 5 richest are - Petro Poroshenko is not one of them as one))
    2. zmey_gadukin
      zmey_gadukin 18 November 2013 14: 10
      +1
      They do not transfer, but expand assets, I buy up plants in Europe and the world.
      And nobody will transfer profitable production anywhere.
      Read at least Forbes. Everything is written there. Where, How much and with whom.
      1. smirnov
        smirnov 18 November 2013 14: 13
        0
        As far as I know, they transfer mainly money to their banks ...
        1. zmey_gadukin
          zmey_gadukin 18 November 2013 14: 28
          +1
          Quote: smirnov
          As far as I know, they transfer mainly money to their banks ...

          That is yes. Just for the sake of comparison, you need to give the amount of RUSSIAN money stored in the same banks) Russians seem not to go anywhere in Europe))
          1. smirnov
            smirnov 18 November 2013 15: 06
            0
            Wow, I won’t argue, but we are talking about an article about Ukraine, about our oligarchs.
  • mamba
    mamba 18 November 2013 11: 39
    +1
    In the family there is the concept of "cut chunk" when they start treating a loved one who has betrayed the family as a stranger.
    Not certainly in that way. In ancient pagan times, bread, personifying a prosperous life, was not cut in any way, but was broken by hands, from which the word chunk arose. The proverb says: "You can't stick a cut-off piece back." Therefore, they began to call it a cut-off piece of members who had left the family. A daughter, given out to be a stranger, a son who separated and healed by his own home - all these are cut off slices, it’s no wonder to meet, but you cannot live with one family. So "cut slices" could be called the republics of the former USSR.
  • HAM
    HAM 18 November 2013 11: 41
    0
    Quote: stalkerwalker
    Some series is endless ...
    Already just wondering - what will end? laughing

    DO NOT WAIT!
  • mamba
    mamba 18 November 2013 12: 02
    +3
    ... Ukrainian "chess" game "Russia - West" ends in a draw ...
    And the “chess” game “Ukraine-West” is brought down by the West in US Pat. Yanek is eager to turn the stalemate into a zugzwang for Ukraine, when any of his moves will lead to a deterioration in the country's position.
  • komsomolets
    komsomolets 18 November 2013 12: 25
    +6
    Yanukovych can’t play chess, and he doesn’t know how. In those universities where he studied chess, I don’t have to enter, it’s more than card stos. What’s wrong with the thoughtful Europeans and Putin with a committee education.
  • bubla5
    bubla5 18 November 2013 12: 29
    0
    It has long been a fact that only a strong hand will save that Russia and Ukraine, and who it will be the new Mazepa or Stalin, the essence is not important
    1. Hudo
      Hudo 18 November 2013 14: 38
      +2
      Quote: bubla5
      bubla5 (2) RU Today, 12:29

      It has long been a fact that only a strong hand will save that Russia and Ukraine, and who it will be the new Mazepa or Stalin, the essence is not important


      Not really, the point is important. Mazepa will save ... laughing found a "rescuer" and a "strong hand". negative
  • smersh70
    smersh70 18 November 2013 12: 43
    +5
    During these hours, the secret meeting between Presidents Ilham Aliyev and Viktor Yanukovych ended, according to competent sources in Ukraine. But, according to experts, the most important part of the negotiations between Yanukovych and Aliyev took place on the evening of November 17. That is, Yanukovych and Aliyev did not consider it necessary to disseminate information on closed negotiations, as well as at the meeting between Yanukovych and Putin.
    According to the deputy from the ruling party, Elena Bondarenko, information about the meeting of the presidents of Ukraine and Russia Viktor Yanukovych and Vladimir Putin was not made public for security reasons. In the light of Snowden’s revelations about wiretapping presidents of many countries, including EU leaders, the presidents’ warnings and concerns are fully explained by the desire to keep the content of the conversations in complete confidentiality.
    Meanwhile, according to Ukrainian media, the meeting between Vladimir Putin and Viktor Yanukovych, on the outcome of which both sides are still silent, did not lead to an agreement between the two leaders. In light of the conflicting information from the Russian and Ukrainian media regarding the last choice of Viktor Yanukovych, one can make a somewhat premature, but obvious primary conclusion - V. Yanukovych will announce his final decision after negotiations with Ilham Aliyev.
  • Clegg
    Clegg 18 November 2013 12: 44
    -10 qualifying.
    The West today is also then selflessly lying, only this time about how he loves Ukraine, and Ukraine thought: maybe I really was a beauty?

    That is, Ukraine is ugly and should be with no less ugly Russia?)))
  • rtutaloe
    rtutaloe 18 November 2013 13: 16
    0
    The Russians are all captive to their illusions. In fact, Russia is losing points in the eyes of ordinary Ukrainians. Yanyk handed over Ukraine's GDP in Kharkiv under the hope of friendship, and the "friendly" GDP hindered the price of gas, and even started to play with Ukrainian goods. Customs wars, the fight against Ukrainian migrant workers in Moscow - this is how friendship looks like in Russian ??? You are losing points rapidly. You may not even hope for a split. Young people are reorienting themselves to Europe. Only retirees support you by inertia. The rest are looking at European perspectives. And at the expense of the threats of war, then a couple of sabotage on your underwater "gas streams" and you yourself will be left without money for a long time. So forget about Poltava.
    1. Semen Semyonitch
      Semen Semyonitch 18 November 2013 14: 19
      0
      Sounds like paranoia ...
    2. Andrew-53
      Andrew-53 18 November 2013 23: 27
      +2
      And you are cool old man. But it’s not clear what ... you covered yourself with some Swedish-Finnish-Norwegian, etc. ensign, and not a yellow-blakitny native flag. You are our saboteur.
  • atos_kin
    atos_kin 18 November 2013 13: 17
    +2
    Yes, history repeats itself. Again they are pulling the "girl" by the Bendera skirt to the rich (tolerant) "groom". Only the saddest thing about the continuation of this matchmaking is that Russia then pays for all this with the blood of its ordinary Russians and little Russians.
  • kaper
    kaper 18 November 2013 13: 47
    +1
    "Until now, Russia has treated Ukraine as a kindred country" - yes, there is no limit to duplicity. Whereas to explain the highest gas price in Europe, trade wars that have been going on for years, nastiness told by central channels about Ukraine and its leaders. This was before the plans about association with the EU. And now, the choice of a better life is presented as a betrayal, as an action against Russia. No matter what, if you are in the EU, try, if it comes out, then we will catch up. No, let some people fight, dream about some mythical greatness, some kind of historical peculiarity. Well, not a dark forest.
    1. leon-iv
      leon-iv 18 November 2013 14: 07
      +1
      I will answer so KMK is the next multi-way GDP.
      The beginning of which was laid back in the 2000s, I am so wondering 2006-2007. Now the apogee.
    2. kaper
      kaper 18 November 2013 14: 13
      0
      Yes, there are the words of Yekhanurov, the Buryats from Russia, when he was an example of Ukraine - the period of patriarchal relations with Russia ended and ended through the fault of Russia.
      1. Semen Semyonitch
        Semen Semyonitch 18 November 2013 14: 23
        +6
        Quote: kaper
        Yes, there are the words of Yekhanurov, the Buryats from Russia, when he was an example of Ukraine - the period of patriarchal relations with Russia ended and ended through the fault of Russia.

        Sure! Russia is to blame for everything ... “Did I destroy the chapel too?
      2. Andrew-53
        Andrew-53 18 November 2013 23: 34
        +2
        The daughter-in-law is to blame for everything. So she’s not there. And her skirt is hanging. So far, people like you will tryndet about the fact that everyone is to blame all around, except for ourselves - to sit all of us in .OPE, far and deep.
    3. Docent1984
      Docent1984 18 November 2013 14: 27
      +4
      http://izvestia.ru/news/544100

      This is for you as a guide. Do not throw random phrases without any reason - you will completely lose your face.

      What channels do you call central? If RenTV - then good luck))) And through normal channels they tell only facts - without any emotions. Well, if for you the drop in production and delayed wages are not disgusting, then you are a masochist. And if you say that this is a lie - go to the forest, my relatives from the Nikolaev region and Lugansk fully confirm. The Russian Federation, represented by the president and the government, clearly adheres to the policy of emphasized non-interference - if you want to go to Europe with fagots, yes, please. Only now, according to the normal notions of a normal man, the fact that he hugged a homosexual is no longer given hands ... Never ... If you want to be on an equal footing with a gayrope, no problem. Only we do not like all these "rainbow" ones, do not expect any "special" attitude)
      1. rtutaloe
        rtutaloe 18 November 2013 19: 25
        -3
        If you compare your foreign policy and the politics of Europe, you can see one thing: ordinary gays live in Europe, but I live with you fagots. So, we’d better be friends with gays from Europe who fuck each other, and we just have business relations with us, than with fagots from Russia, who in some way want to throw and fuck for free. And you can’t give me your hand; it hasn’t leaned on me anywhere. )))
    4. Andrew-53
      Andrew-53 18 November 2013 23: 30
      +2
      This let the pimple explain how cute Dubin he recalled when Russia was ready for the price of 230-250 green for 1000 cubic meters.
  • sapran
    sapran 18 November 2013 14: 44
    +5
    Likely "rainbow" do not like anywhere. But they buy European goods for some reason (what if he collected his bad guys with pens?) ?
    1. Docent1984
      Docent1984 18 November 2013 15: 07
      +3
      This is not the only point. Fagots are just a nasty little thing. The main problem is that this very Europe has been sleeping all its life and sees how Slavic peoples are at the root of lime. There was no sense of our state, but they already tried to destroy it. And you want with this evil spirits from one boiler a slurry to slurp? We don’t understand something ...
      1. sapran
        sapran 18 November 2013 15: 14
        +3
        In Europe, more Slavic peoples than in Russia, I do not see this as evil
      2. rtutaloe
        rtutaloe 18 November 2013 19: 33
        +2
        They sleep and see how the Slavs are lime))) Listen less to your grief-propagandists. There, people are interested in honestly making money and not pushing life. Russians always have some kind of paranoid phobia. All someone is trying to attack them))) Yes, you didn’t give up on anyone and to hell. People are preoccupied with market problems in the world more than some kind of wars with the genocide of the Slavs))) And if wars go on, it is precisely because of the market. Primarily.
        1. Andrew-53
          Andrew-53 18 November 2013 23: 40
          -2
          I’m sticking out, zhavyt-blakitny, from your naive-puppy babble about honestly hammering money, etc. You, probably, finished school already in an independent.
  • rolik2
    rolik2 18 November 2013 14: 47
    -3
    Reading this libel, I would like to send the author along a known route. Vitya is already sick of such statues, and it is better to advise you to study history, because this example is not at all in the subject, Mazepa did not cut the "window to Europe", Mazepa did not cut the boyars' beards either, he did not make a booth from the army either, or remind you who introduced stockings and wigs into the army and etc?

    Peter I in a foreign dress in front of his mother, Queen Empress Natalia, Patriarch Andrian and teacher Zotov. 1903


    I watched football Ukraine - France really liked how the commentator was broadcasting the match

    And I am pleased that in Russia there are more normal peasants than such a shaka .. like you.
    1. xan
      xan 18 November 2013 15: 21
      -2
      Quote: rolik2
      he also made a booth from the army

      I just can’t understand how the poor, not seeing beyond their nose, but trying to insert their stupid komenty, get out?
    2. Victor Kamenev
      18 November 2013 18: 04
      -1
      I'm sick, don't read it, but I'm kind of glad about your rudeness: I consider every spit of "Europrostitutes" a reward.
  • vlad_pr
    vlad_pr 18 November 2013 15: 20
    +3
    People!!! Enough about Ukainu. This is a sovereign state. Citizens have long made a choice, it is clear from the comments even down. They are "other", the oldest, the founders of everything and everyone. So let them roll where the bun indicates. Happy way, scrubbing the path. And it's time to forget that these are brothers, 15 years old as already gone.
    Sincerely.
    1. So_o_tozh
      So_o_tozh 18 November 2013 17: 57
      +1
      Yes, the generation of the 50-60s will die out and in the current state of affairs, Ukraine will be the territory for experiments by gay people.
  • xan
    xan 18 November 2013 15: 29
    +2
    Well, the situation is not the same as under Mazepa. If there was one, Putin would send a dashing warrior, and he would burn another Baturin, or Mezhigorye, as they have now, transplanted Poroshenko and other European integrators - now they don’t cut their heads.

    a song about the Ukrainian lieutenant Golitsyn and the cornet Obolensky (stolen), not in the subject, but cool.

    The fourth day the sky is smoky -
    That smoke from the fires of Ukrainian villages.
    Take out the vodil, Lieutenant Netreba,
    Cornet Pilipenko, pour the brine.

    And the yellow-blaketnoe rinse prapor,
    Shkvark dope inspires us to fight.
    Lieutenant Netreba, to drive the woods into the tabir.
    Zilberman will let them in.

    A pomegranate fell into a bucket of sour cream,
    The convoy was ambushed with sausage.
    Lieutenant Netreba, when is the salary?
    Cornet Pilipenko, good question! ..

    Why such a life without fat and bread.
    With coupons, hryvnia just die.
    Let's give up, Lieutenant Netreba,
    Cornet Pilipenko, at least a prisoner in captivity.
    1. vlad_pr
      vlad_pr 18 November 2013 17: 06
      0
      Dear, I understand that you are rushing to torrent, but try to understand, Ukraine in the near future will have a difficult choice (90 but not 100%) predetermined who We will become, finally enemies, or friends to some extent respecting each other , almost relatives. And your mockery and your kind only gives a plus to the camp of Our ill-wishers and screams in their media. Read the White, Gray, Black Propaganda study. In this case, you are a green club. Do not blame me, you can curse and minus me as much as your darling. (Read some pearls of their "Complaints book" by A.P. Chekhov "... even though you are Ivanov Seventh, but .....". Have patience comrades, "Do not fuss under the client, otherwise he sweats and slips, "as one friend of mine says, with a low level of social responsibility.
      Sincerely.
      1. rtutaloe
        rtutaloe 18 November 2013 19: 38
        -1
        We will enter Europe and become friends with you))) As long as you creep in front of you - there will be no business. And as soon as the barrier grows, so respect yourself first and start.
        1. xan
          xan 18 November 2013 22: 30
          -2
          Quote: rtutaloe
          We will enter Europe and become friends with you))) As long as you creep in front of you - there will be no business. And as soon as the barrier grows, so respect yourself first and start.

          where the considerations come from, share the Ukrainian logic.
          Until you give back the Russian lands with the Russian people, you can shove the barrier.
          But we do not need Ukrainian lands and non-land
        2. Luna
          Luna 19 November 2013 01: 41
          0
          And who invites you to Europe? You will only be allowed to lie on a rug at the door of the EU.
      2. xan
        xan 18 November 2013 20: 10
        0
        Quote: vlad_pr
        Dear, I understand that you are rushing to torment, but try to understand that Ukraine will have a difficult choice in the near future, (90 but not 100%) predetermined by whom We will become, finally enemies, or friends to some extent respecting each other almost by relatives. And your ernishness and your kind gives only a plus to the camp of Our ill-wishers and screams in their media.

        You know what, I need Ukrainians ardent supporters of the Russian world. And such smelly words in the media and blogs can not be minimized. And you see the words you’re afraid, fighter. You go to their forums, they are not afraid of words. What should I lick and persuade them? I see that you are ready to do, Tolerast.
  • T-73
    T-73 18 November 2013 16: 16
    +3
    That Putin will not give up Crimea is a fact. And since it is a part of Ukraine, which means Ukraine. Everything is set for Ukraine - this is obvious. Moreover, it was set up specifically for Yanukovych and for nationalists. The essence of the Carpathians was already indicated in one article earlier. In general, I do not agree with the opinion of the Swiss (I don’t remember who he is) My impressions are boyish 86-88 years old and the opposite. At least I want to believe it. Yanukovych is a temporary worker. And we live. The game is certainly tortured around Ukraine is serious. In addition to the players directly interested (Poland, Russia, Germany, the States) - there are several games with a little more casual, but with a serious lip. I will name offhand only Turkey and the United Arab Emirates (the latter generally thought of themselves something excessive). Our business is to wait. Only. Someone from ours has already announced that it will be so for us to transport significant industries for us to Russia. We will transport the whole of Kharkov, for example, there is experience of evacuation
    1. rtutaloe
      rtutaloe 18 November 2013 19: 40
      -3
      Crimea "vash" is worth nothing without Ukrainian fresh water. So no one will take him away from us.
      1. zmey_gadukin
        zmey_gadukin 18 November 2013 20: 23
        -4
        Quote: rtutaloe
        So no one will take it from us.

        And if they pick it up, then in a year they will return it back, having previously buoyed there yards of bucks ...)))
      2. T-73
        T-73 19 November 2013 11: 52
        -1
        We will deliver the Russian. Crimea doesn’t cost you anything ... Of course it’s not. Have you invested a lot in it? In Yalta, there are still Soviet sanatoria, with Ai-Petri Soviet cars are being driven, the Swallow’s Nest is open for visits once or twice a week. Not only on the water see save
  • T-73
    T-73 18 November 2013 16: 58
    +1
    Censorship ... But the proposal for Ukraine was this: everything was delivered r-a-to-oh. meaning is lost otherwise
  • Python Kaa
    Python Kaa 18 November 2013 18: 07
    +2
    "Carthage must be destroyed." And then become a province of Rome. If the inhabitants of Carthage did not immediately understand everything, then it is no longer possible to reason with them otherwise. These are the lessons of history.
  • LaPoT
    LaPoT 18 November 2013 18: 20
    +3
    Quote: Randaltor
    In any situation, Russia needs to tighten its policy, and precisely as an object. It will fall apart - we will take it in pieces.

    pick up pick up if China itself doesn’t pick you up before. look at your comments! Yes with such brothers of enemies it is not necessary. one pleases Russia with its politics, even in eastern Ukraine awakens patriotism
    1. Hudo
      Hudo 18 November 2013 18: 27
      +1
      Quote: LaPoT
      even in eastern Ukraine awakens patriotism


      Exclusively in the dreams of farm onulitegi-Svidomo. I affirm this on the basis that I myself live there. Therefore, be so kind as you are - do not write this stuff.
      1. zmey_gadukin
        zmey_gadukin 18 November 2013 20: 24
        -1
        Quote: Hudo
        I affirm this on the basis that I myself live there.

        bgggg where do you live?
        Donbass already Russia will not deceive)))
        1. Hudo
          Hudo 18 November 2013 20: 47
          -1
          You, of course, have learned to poke in a stable, where you were raised together with pigs.
          1. zmey_gadukin
            zmey_gadukin 19 November 2013 00: 26
            +1
            Quote: Hudo
            Poke, you, clearly learned to stable

            and why should I say "you" to a person who offends my country?
            1. sapran
              sapran 19 November 2013 00: 30
              +1
              and I would be in your place if I didn’t react to this remark, a person tells me that he’s close or that it hurts ... maybe the crib burned out or there the pig went from malnutrition to the jelly ...
            2. Hudo
              Hudo 19 November 2013 00: 35
              -1
              Quote: zmey_gadukin

              and why should I say "you" to a person who offends my country?


              COUNTRY ??? Wipe your eyes, where did you see the country?

              Quote: zmey_gadukin
              why should I say "you"


              At least from the fact that you are not in the stable, and you were called a psychologist by profession and not a pig or a dog manure collector. Something like this.
    2. rtutaloe
      rtutaloe 18 November 2013 19: 45
      -2
      Yes, nobody here likes the treacherous imperial policy of Russia. Of course there are cowards-reactionaries: they say how do we live without them? - but to those who see the situation it is soberly clear: Russia is rather such a thief in law in the CIS zone than a friend comrade and brother. And it’s better to dissociate yourself from such a brother.
      1. leon-iv
        leon-iv 18 November 2013 23: 20
        0
        . And it’s better to dissociate yourself from such a brother.

        You have a brother like a president if you don’t.
        Yes, nobody here likes the treacherous imperial policy of Russia.

        Sorry, but what’s the point.
        Want independence and partnership? Hawk them now with a full spoon. Or change vlaz.
  • klim44
    klim44 18 November 2013 18: 26
    +5
    Why did Yanukovych become Mazepa? Mazepa swore allegiance to the Russian Tsar and betrayed him. Yanukovych is the elected president of a sovereign state, he certainly does not betray the Russian Federation. Dear Russian patriots, let's look at the situation differently. Russia has perked up in the European Union, Ukraine is in a panic, but really someone in Russia would listen to Ukraine. I think the tone of your commentators would be like this - goodbye Ukraine, they are losing "cheap" almost free gas (though the more brotherly German people get gas cheaper than the brotherly Ukrainian people), etc. Our authorities staged this hysteria for one reason - the vehicle without Ukraine is inferior. By the way, Turkey, which is also striving for Europe, was offered to be invited to the TS. And most importantly, at least one of you has read the text of the EU-Ukraine treaty ???
  • vanaheym
    vanaheym 18 November 2013 19: 46
    0
    Rather than having such "brothers" as those who write such articles and comments to them, it is better to be among the enemies from the European Union.

    If we talk about the article, then Yanukovych did not swear allegiance to Russia, so there can be no talk of any betrayal.
    And it is not clear what general discontent Russia may have in general? Since 2004, the Russian media has entered all Ukrainian ears about which Yanukovych is Russia's best friend and how to vote for him.
    Even the honest Dima Kiselev at that time came to work on ICTV to ride on his ears. In 2009, they achieved what they wanted, received Yanukovych, received Kharkov agreements with Dima-iPhone.
    What did Putin answer in the end? - an increase in gas prices well above European ones. Who is Mazepa here is another question.
    And one should not assume that the majority of Ukrainians, out of some fright, want to merge with Russia in a single impulse - there are already fewer of them, even in traditionally Russian-speaking regions, since your media have tried their best. And yet, "to feel like a Russian" and "to be a Russian-speaking" are not equivalent concepts. All those who wanted to become Russians - have already piled under the reunification program to raise the depressed regions. The rest, who want to leave, for some reason prefer to dump them in Europe / Canada / USA. By the way, hello to all those 120 thousand Russian citizens who annually dump abroad for permanent residence.
    1. Hudo
      Hudo 18 November 2013 19: 58
      +1
      Quote: vanaheym
      vanaheym PL Today, 19: 46 New

      Rather than having such "brothers" as those who write such articles and comments to them, it is better to be among the enemies from the European Union.


      You, Pan Pole, together with the Baltic sprats are looking for someone finer yourself? In vain. Pass by.
      1. vanaheym
        vanaheym 18 November 2013 20: 01
        +2
        What do you dislike about my current location? I’m already going where I personally need to. Or maybe I need to return to Ukraine tomorrow and write comments from the Ukrainian IP?
        1. Hudo
          Hudo 18 November 2013 21: 21
          -1
          Quote: vanaheym
          Or maybe I need to return to Ukraine tomorrow and write comments from the Ukrainian IP?


          No, Poland is so Poland!
  • Boris63
    Boris63 18 November 2013 19: 50
    0
    In the early 90s, when the USSR "runaway" treaty was signed, there were rumors about a secret "treaty" on the Crimea, and it seems like if Ukraine "leaves" to the west, then Russia has the right to claim its possession.
    Ukrainians will decide for themselves, then they will see where it is good and with whom. We, Russians, need to come to terms with this and wait for the Ukrainians to "walk up".
    1. vanaheym
      vanaheym 18 November 2013 20: 02
      +2
      C'mon, here the original of the contract cannot be found, otherwise some secret agreements.
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  • Vasily Klopkov
    Vasily Klopkov 18 November 2013 19: 53
    +3
    Yanukovych - this is Mazepa, and without quotes. I believed him so much that he would be friends with Russia, he would join the Customs Union, and he betrayed everyone. And his voters and those who helped him, and who pinned his hopes on him. However, he still has a chance to rectify the situation, for this it is only necessary to fill up the signing of the agreement in Vilnius. They say that he is already close to this. But do you understand what is in his head? Maybe there’s nothing there? request
    1. sapran
      sapran 18 November 2013 20: 02
      +1
      and he does it quietly ... so one hundred your benefactor you non-betrayal everything goes as it should, as the great GDP indicated
  • ars_pro
    ars_pro 18 November 2013 21: 25
    +5
    Ordinary people who are not able to decide or influence the course of events, it remains to wait, to see who works for what, at best for themselves, and so for uncle.
    I am more inclined to believe that without Russia we can’t stand it for a long time, and it’s interesting how quickly this issue will be solved there, we should live here (Slobozhanshchina), as we decided not to be enthusiastic about gas with shale gas, the same can be said about Donbas.
  • nikolaev
    nikolaev 18 November 2013 22: 27
    +3
    ABOUT REFUSAL OF UKRAINE FROM SIGNING THE AGREEMENT ON ASSOCIATION WITH THE EU
    In this situation, Nazis and Wahhabis can be activated to destabilize the situation. Actually, these groups were created by the West to influence the stubborn in such situations. Therefore, the destruction of old Ukrainian tanks was pushed, since in street battles they are quite applicable, as the battles in Syria showed.
    Such groups are created and fed by intelligence services of the West. Therefore, they do what the West orders. They can get out of control if they stop paying them.
    Then they become dangerous in the countries of the West themselves. And since a new economic crisis is brewing in the West, the West urgently needs to transfer these gangs to someone so that they do not start operating on their territories. It turned out: "not for Senka a hat." What is needed now is the most severe suppression of any attempts at destabilization and use of Russia's assistance in Crimea. And in the Western regions to manage on their own.
  • Ivan Denikin
    Ivan Denikin 18 November 2013 23: 24
    +2
    According to the latest information, the association agreement will be signed whether Kiev wants it or not. This is what Europe wants, and above all the United States. The mechanism, as reported, is as follows: after the agreement is signed, a condition will be set for Ukraine - within a year to bring the EU's requirements to feasible standards. Simply - to implement three prerequisites: 1st - Timoshenko at will (pardon or "freedom" in Germany), 2nd: the law on the prosecutor's office as amended by the opposition, 3rd: the law on elections. Thus, Ukraine is given a "chance to improve," thereby driving it into a corner. Although, this was already done in 2005. This is such a metamorphosis. The information, by the way, is fresh - from sources from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine. Wait and see! bully