Front Car Transport (TMPK) "Mul"

TMPK “Mul” was created by the enterprise “Minotor-Service” on its own initiative on the basis of studying the experience of combat operations of land forces in local conflicts. The machine is designed for the delivery of ammunition, fuel and other material and technical means to the positions of troops of the first echelon.

TMPK “Mul” is capable of transporting at the same time 3 company stock of ammunition at the rate of one ammunition per unit of weapons.

The internal volume of the reserved space (8 m³) and carrying capacity (4 tons) practically correspond to the carrying capacity and the volume of the Ural currently used for transportation.

Advantages of TMPK "Mul"

cargo and crew armor protection
increased permeability
buoyancy
moral and psychological stability of the crew and military personnel due to greater security
the ability to install weapons (7,62-mm PKT machine gun)

Performance characteristics
Weight, kg 11300
Weight of transported cargo, kg 4000
Loading platform area, m² 6,5
Volume of cargo compartment, m³ 8
Crew, people. 2
The number of additional seats for the 4
Dimensions (length × width × height), mm 7210 × 2850 × 2450
400 clearance
Bulletproof booking
Armament 7,62-mm machine gun
Engine power, kW 220
Maximum speed on the highway, km / h 60
Maximum speed on water, km / h 4-6
Cruising range for fuel, km 500.

Comments

[alex56]

I don’t know how anyone, but for me, this machine is needed in the army)

[ICT]

Quote: alex56

this machine is needed in the army

only the degree of reservation is not clear from the article, and the back door needs to be made wider through it, all the same, load unloading boxes, and not sell beer

[Sedoy]

> the back door should be made wider

that's for sure, I don’t understand why they don’t make a ramp
load - you can quickly unload on pallets

[svp67]

Quote: alex56

I don’t know how anyone, but for me, this machine is needed in the army)

Do you need something, but this one? .... MTLBU is a very large "barn", the target is also TA ... And the way of loading - unloading through such a hatch ??? Maybe a ramp is better and install a means of mechanization on the car so that the "load" very quickly "dump" in the place where it is necessary and leave the firing zone ...

[Nuar]

Quote: svp67

Maybe a ramp is better and install a means of mechanization on the car so that the "load" very quickly "dump" in the place where it is necessary and leave the firing zone ...

what? and then the combat robots will pick up the cargo very quickly? There was nothing for this machine to get into the zone at all.

[IS-80]

Quote: Nuar

There was nothing for this machine to get into the zone at all.

The machine is designated as a transport front edge. This is what a mysterious trajectory you need to ride so that it never comes under fire?

[Nuar]

IS-80 in the Great Patriotic War, ammunition was brought up on horse-drawn carts, and it wasn’t in the head of a cart to arm the cart.

But when they (dybily) thought of a position with a cart to appear here then they flew from the fathers of the commanders. (and rightly so, because the position is unmasked to unmask).

More than half a century has passed, there is the Internet and there are no problems with access to information, but transport vehicle "Mule" - See armored no less than Mouse.

see for example.

Quote: kagorta

He needs a ramp. And the reservation to strengthen.

Aparel - to facilitate loading / unloading - well, perhaps yes. just do not have to design a car for it from scratch. But bljat, why do you need a reservation?

(Patton5 - I put 10 pluses)

Quote: IS-80

This is what a mysterious trajectory you need to ride so that it never comes under fire?

can "pill" also book? where the wounded are, there is the Syringe. And there, you know, they shoot.

[svp67]

Quote: Nuar

can "pill" also book? where the wounded are, there is the Syringe. And there, you know, they shoot.

Here is a Soviet version of such a technique

[Corsair]

Quote: svp67

Here is a Soviet version of such a technique

[hohryakov066]

The car is clearly needed. Made on the basis of MTLBU, this machine can become a "lifesaver" for the unit. From my own experience I know that the car is very unpretentious, reliable and versatile. We have such a tractor in the battery that it just didn’t do it - and started everyone from the pusher, and pulled out of any mud, and carried loads ... Reservations are certainly weak, but still this is not a tilt truck.

[smersh70]

Quote: hohryakov066

We have such a tractor in our battery that I just didn’t do it - I started all from the pusher, and pulled out of any dirt, and drove loads ..

I fully confirm! and the work of its motor .. its sound .... just lovely almost never broke ... unlike the BMP and the BTR ... and the formidable vidon ... Handsome !!!!!!

[Somad]

... And how it flies over the crossroads! I remember - a saddle on the armor, grabbed the hatch so as not to fly away, and like on a roller coaster - the engine whistled (MTLBU had a characteristic dvigla sound) up a hillock and "wow" sharply down. And all this at a decent speed. Song!

[Krasnoarmeec]

And how does the stove grunt !!!!! Well this is a fairy tale, -35 overboard, and we have hari red as if only from the bath

[kagorta]

He needs a ramp. And the reservation to strengthen.

[Patton5]

The price will rise! The designers almost certainly proceeded from the fact that the car should have a minimum of alterations, as a result of which the price should be lower, this is a truck. And to strengthen the reservation, this at least reduce the carrying capacity ...

[svp67]

Quote: Patton5

The price will rise! The designers almost certainly proceeded from the fact that the car should have a minimum of alterations, as a result of which the price should be lower, this is a truck. And to strengthen the reservation, this at least reduce the carrying capacity ...

And you try to carry out an operation to deliver ammunition, for example, to the company's ammunition point, by the way the smallest one is a tank ... Tank shells and charges, through the hatch, one at a time, ammunition boxes, "Clouds" grenades ... yes to its unloading will have to spend half an hour, at least ... and there are more than one or two such flights ... No, everything must be done so that such a machine can unload ammunition itself, by means of its own mechanization, and for this it is necessary, so that these ammunition would be loaded into her "womb" in containers ...

[Alekseev]

Quote: svp67

And you try to carry out an operation to deliver ammunition ... Tank shells and charges, through the hatch, one at a time, cartridge boxes, "Clouds" grenades ...

Absolutely accurate definition!
The order and means of delivery to the platoon, company stronghold has not been fully developed by our tactical science, especially for tankers with their heavy a / c boxes weighing 60 kg ... And the means of mechanization on such a conveyor are necessary.]

[unclevad]

A small crane for this machine would come in handy. To facilitate loading and unloading.

[ka5280]

And how will he swim, with enhanced reservation?

[svp67]

Quote: ka5280

And how will he swim, with enhanced reservation?

You can go along the BMP2 path, use additional boards filled with polystyrene as an additional reservation ... or grilles

[ICT]

Quote: ka5280

with enhanced booking?

Well, some kind of Kevlar lining, so that at least it would hold an SVD shot, well, again, ate a water barrier on the way to the front edge, then load half a ton less

[Clueless]

Yeah, here and ride this mule at minus 30 with a tented top. I know one person who has the same MTBL, only the annexe at the back is armored and with normal heating, etc. Those. for rich people, creating a technique is not a problem, but in the army this barn, in which you freeze everything yourself in winter.

In summer, without a tent, a mass grave is generally thrown from a shelter into a body grenade and tryndets there everyone.

Although the unit itself is good, quite quiet for the goose, passable, the truth is not a very good swimmer, well, these are trifles.

[Patton5]

I advise you once again to carefully re-read the article, the first time you are clearly poorly absorbed.

[_KM_]

Good coefficient of weight return from the car. But the doors would be wider and the winch / crane for unloading ...

[klimpopov]

Motolyga !!!

[doctor.75]

Not bad. But since armor is needed everywhere. And the ramp to.

[mithridate]

judging by the article - an armored replacement for the Urals

[Starik63]

I think - yes, but only in the narrow part of its application is the close army rear.

[pv1005]

It is not clear what they actually developed ???? They cut off the roof of a standard MTLBU and covered it with an awning (what is seen in the photo). This is the level of vocational schools. And what will he bring to the front edge of 10 boxes with cartridges?

[Gronsky]

Quote: pv1005

It is not clear what they actually developed ????

It seems to me that nothing. The company is engaged in overhaul of armored vehicles.
Captured MTLBu (at best), painted with fresh paint - voila, get a new development. In general, the Belarusians decided to cut a piece of the Russian defense budget.
P.S. MTLB car is good, I remember riding a boom of the 10s.

[alexmanager]

Ashamed brothers are ashamed. Well, how long it is already possible to "modernize" this frank old stuff from 1964 in the army. They have sunk, well, they cannot give birth to anything new, no matter how hard they try. Put at least a more powerful engine on the same base (and not YaMZ 238), add a box of filling, a little reservation and it will be just gorgeous. The moral and psychological stability of the crew generally killed on the spot.

[freedom2013]

alexmaneger - I don’t know about the account. AK with deep modernization is still in service and it has prospects. And at the expense of "Mule", to accelerate unloading, it may be better not a winch, but a rising bottom to the level of armor. If the truck is so practically no load, but from top to bottom in my opinion it is always easier. than from bottom to top I do not recommend this, but simply from personal experience.

[The fat man]

the car is needed but the width of the tracks seems to me a little narrow
drown in snow and mud

[bask]

Quote: Fat Man

the car is needed but the width of the tracks seems to me a little narrow
drown in snow and mud

The width of the tracks is normal, it will not get stuck in the mud. But booking MT-LBU, there is no cardboard and mine protection.
For self-propelled guns, full-fledged loading vehicles are needed, and for delivering ammunition to the front edge, armored vehicles based on MBT, with DZ, KAZ, otherwise they will burn it.

[Lieutenant colonel]

I sit - I read the comments and I understand that amateurs are on the site !!!! Dark! Someone is trying to freeze their own ass - and it's not destiny to look at the photo? And the photo shows that the transport compartment is separated from the partition control compartment. The engine on this device is just a song, in the mountains on a dry engine we drove about 20 km, the potdon was replaced in the park, oil was poured and tail number 041 ran until ..... withdrawal from the region. And how many were left without water (the cars were just old - and the supply was out of hand.) !! Box of course sometimes let down - but again it was repaired with a bang. And about the front edge - I would like to look at that company commander who will pull his ammunition point to the front! Of course, it is necessary to bring the supply agencies closer to the units - but you also need to use the mind. If you choose what to send from the tank to the URAL or MTPK first echelon companies, then MTPK is probably better. And even the battalion is better supplied through the MTPK. Again, it is better to take out the wounded under armor. But what about unloading work - of course, the apparatus and a small manipulator are better for 300-400 kg (there will be no larger cargo for the battalion, the companies will not be - of course not summarily - but nomenclature), of course, do not argue here - it is VERY necessary. Well, about old developments - is it necessary to fence a garden in the presence of a well-developed and mastered chassis? Of course it is debatable, but in the presence of a large number of MTLB-U, it is a sin not to use it. Of course, hinged booking is needed - but quick-detachable - so as not to lose buoyancy (quality is very important for equipment participating in the war and not in the fight against illegal armed groups)

[Gronsky]

Quote: Reserve lieutenant colonel

Well, about old developments - is it necessary to fence a garden with a well-developed and mastered chassis? Of course, it’s debatable, but if there is a large number of MTLB-U, it’s a sin not to take advantage.

Of course it’s not worth fencing for the sake of enclosing the garden and MTLBu is a wonderful car. All that you wrote about its survivability and maintainability I fully share and support. But in the article it is presented as a NEW development, that is the question. Take a look, ordinary MTLBu. They also made a discovery for me. As if before this conveyor was not used for such purposes.

[Lieutenant colonel]

For svp67 - you have the front edge conveyor (TPK) on the first photo. Designed for the collection and evacuation of the wounded and killed on the battlefield, transporting them to the places of collection and evacuation. According to the Geneva Convention, the transport of ammunition on vehicles marked with a red cross (red crescent) is prohibited, as well as the opening of fire on such vehicles.

[svp67]

Quote: Reserve lieutenant colonel

For svp67 - you have the front edge conveyor (TPK on the first photo)

I know this ... and the photo was in response to a comment

Quote: Nuar

can "pill" also book? where the wounded are, there is the Syringe. And there, you know, they shoot.

[Lieutenant colonel]

I apologize svp67, maybe I did not understand, but we called a "tablet" a slightly different device.

[Demonline 52]

all that is fresh BMP, at least 25 years old, must be taken, it’s not to build aircraft carriers, but in everyday life they are undeniably needed /!

[tchoni]

Yes, the device is good. This is me about the matalyga itself. But what did you do? - unclear. What is the fundamental difference from MT-LB? Did you cut the roof? - the modernization is not great - you can stir up any technical park.

And about amphibiousness - tin. They tried to force the electronic warfare station to float with a "backpack" (generator) on the detachment of the landing - it flips over immediately. So with a load, at least half, but with an open top, I would have refused to swim in place of the carrier even through a puddle with a depth of 1.5 meters.
So amphibiousness - for such a transport - is superfluous. It’s easier to put in a pontoon than to underload every time you cross a river.
In general, the motolyga steers.

[Cutter]

I beg your pardon dear, but you are mistaken about the amphibious nature. MTLBUha perfectly swims with a full load. An electronic warfare station at the top and an empty hull afloat, this is "Tin". Violation of Metacentric Height, etc. All of the above is from personal knowledge. In Kamchatka, these MTL Bukhs from private traders along the coast rush with goods. The load is maximum, plus the link up. And nothing is running and swimming. There are no crossings on the route. The "dviglo" YaMZ 238 turbine (characteristic whistle) is worth a lot. IMHO and not only, the best Russian diesel engine of all time.

[alexmanager]

Quote: Freedom2013

alexmaneger - I don’t know about the account. AK with deep modernization is still in service and it has prospects. And at the expense of "Mule", to accelerate unloading, it may be better not a winch, but a rising bottom to the level of armor. If the truck is so practically no load, but from top to bottom in my opinion it is always easier. than from bottom to top I do not recommend this, but simply from personal experience.

I have not seen any profound modernization of the AK, and the prospect of it is one of the simplest weapons possible, which does not require the basic knowledge it is armed with, it is easier to say weapons with which you can arm a large illiterate army. From your post, I realized that you are familiar with the MTLB from a very, very long distance and reasoning at the level of an ordinary inhabitant (from top to bottom, from bottom to top). And I wrote my comment on the basis of my own experience, like a mechanical drive of a motolyga.

[Starik63]

"In the summer, without an awning at all, a common grave, they will throw a grenade into the back from the shelter and tryndets there for everyone"

Let me tell you - each piece of iron should correspond to its purpose as much as possible. The younger brother of this vehicle, the MT-LB, was created as a standard tractor for the 100mm PT of the Rapier cannon. And he did an excellent job not only with this task. The entire LenVO used this tractor instead of BMPs and armored personnel carriers because of its cross-country ability. MT-LBU was used as a chassis for mounting a lot of different things, but it did not lose its all-terrain qualities. Now about the purpose of the "Mule" machine - as a substitute for "Ural" (the plant is bankrupt, supplies to the Armed Forces are reduced every year, the quality drops catastrophically), which was created as a "vehicle for the supply of ammunition in the near rear of active units and subunits." Mule ", after the appropriate revision in terms of improving the loading and unloading parameters, is quite suitable, I think. And the F-5 will make a colander both in the tilt Ural and out of the passengers, and the driver with the elder will get it, and in the Mule - the engine behind the driver and the armor outside. In addition, no one suggests using this "truck" instead of the BRDM. So much for the compliance of the product with its purpose.
I am for the car, but after the specified refinement (it is not as expensive as it seems).

[Starik63]

"moral and psychological stability of the crew and servicemen due to greater security"

Well, this is already from the series "The moral code of the builder of communism" !!! Straight to tears touches your mother. What kind of bait the traders do not go to! Karla the bearded was right - "and if the profit is 300%, they will go for EVERYTHING !!!"

[kelevra]

A decent car! Where the Urals will not pass, this "rogue" will pass there!

[Druid]

The Ural’s terrain vehicle wasn’t lying around, and many people know what the roads turn into by hearsay, it’s a plus, and the booking is also sufficient - it holds bullets and fragments, more is not necessary for such equipment. There is no ramp, well, to hell with it, compare the loading height of the Urals and the motorcycle league ...
This is a front-line vehicle, not an armored personnel carrier or infantry fighting vehicle, complaints about poor bookings are related to the fact that MTLB / MTLBU were not used for their intended purpose. Additional reservation and, as a result, an increase in mass will nullify all the advantages of a motorcycle league.