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Why is Putin-2013 compared to the late Brezhnev?

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Ministers of the government’s economic bloc continue to “delight” with their forecasts in the economic sector. The Minister of Economic Development, Alexei Ulyukayev, did not have time to announce that the growth of the Russian economy in the current year is unlikely to go beyond 1,8%, as Finance Minister Anton Siluanov presented more “fresh” data. Speaking at a plenary meeting in the Lower House of Parliament, the head of the Ministry of Finance said that the growth rate of the Russian economy over the past two quarters fell to the 1,2% mark, which makes it impossible to achieve a value of 1,8% for the year. It turns out that this year the Russian economy shows the lowest growth in recent years, if, of course, not to take into account the fall during the crisis year 2009.


The economy, of course, is growing now ... But it’s about the same as if teenagers in one class “stretched out” for half a head, and you grew up only a centimeter - it seems like nothing particularly terrible, but still something uncomfortable ... And this is with all the potentials of our "teenager" ...

Especially "uncomfortable" such indicators are perceived after understanding the information about what indicators of economic growth Russia has demonstrated since 2000:

2000 year - 10% growth, 2001 year - 5,1% growth, 2002 year - 4,7% growth, 2003 year - 7,3% growth, 2004 year - 7,2% growth, 2005 year - 6,4% growth, 2006 year - 8,2% growth, 2007 year - growth of 8,5%, 2008 year (beginning of the crisis) - growth of 5,2%, 2009 year (peak of the crisis) - drop of 7,9%, 2010 year - growth of 4,3%, 2011 year - growth of 4,3%, 2012 year - growth of 3,6%. The forecast for 2013 year is 1,3-1,5%.

It should be noted that the decline in growth rates is typical for many developed and developing countries. For comparison: the forecast of Chinese economic growth for 2013 year - 7,4%, India - 4,4%, Brazil - 2,5%, South Africa - 3,1%. That is, in terms of growth rates, Russia risks taking the last place among the BRICS countries.

According to forecasts, the growth of the Latvian economy is 4%, Lithuania-3,1%, Kazakhstan-5,5%, Azerbaijan-4,5%, Armenia-4%, Tajikistan-7%, Uzbekistan-7,7%, Kyrgyzstan-9% (Turkmenistan - today one of the world leaders in GDP growth). The Moldovan economy demonstrates 10,1% growth ...

In our “weight” category in terms of GDP growth rates in 2013, there are such countries as Georgia - 1,7%, Estonia - 1,6%, Ukraine - 1,5%, Belarus - less than one percent.

Rejoice or stumble over what is below the level of growth of the Russian economy (or about the same level) - indicators of such economically developed countries as Germany - 0,5%, France - 0,4%, Great Britain - 1,3%, Japan - 1,8%. The economies of Italy, Portugal and Greece continue to fall.

In general, the situation is such that in terms of growth, we and the rest of the world are confidently overtaking, for example, Turkmenistan (+ 10,1%), but at the same time France and Germany are inferior to our “growth”.

What can it say? Many people associate this with the purely inept actions of the Russian authorities, who are not capable of conducting full-scale economic modernization, while remaining dependent on the “weather” in the commodity sector. According to specialists who adhere to this point of view, Russia continues to live in the conditions of a system of commodity dependence, which began to take shape at the end of the Brezhnev era. In this regard, Vladimir Putin is actively compared with Leonid Brezhnev, drawing parallels between the Brezhnev "stagnation" and the times today. This idea, which is remarkable, is expressed not only in Russia, but also abroad.



Recently, an article on analogies between Russia today and the USSR at the beginning of 80's was published in Bloomberg. This edition stated that the current generation of leaders in Russia is attacking the same commodity rake that government economists of the era of Leonid Ilyich have attacked. True, between those and the present times, as noted in "Bloomberg", there are several important differences. The first is that in 1982, the share of Soviet GDP in the global economy was 8,7%, and today this share is 3,6% (for some reason, the author does not cover the fact that USSR-1982 and Russia-2013 is still two different states, with different population figures, with different production capacities). Second, the Russian economy is part of the world economy, but the USSR economy was much more isolated, despite the active trade in hydrocarbons in the late Brezhnev era. As a result, Bloomberg concludes that the main similarity between Russia in the Putin era (present-day Putin) and the late Brezhnev USSR is that both then and now the main emphasis was placed on the conservation of the successes that have been achieved in recent years. This conservation was the cause of the collapse of the USSR, as if hinting at something, writes Bloomberg journalist Stepan Kravchenko ...

Some theses, of course, can be challenged, but it’s worthwhile to single out from this article quite reasonable words that the current economy of the Russian Federation has become part of the global system. And not even so much global as pro-Western. Huge money stocks of funds are held in dollars (45%), euros (45%) and pounds sterling (10%). The main financial laws are copied from the financial laws of the United States and Western Europe, and with original internal amendments (for example, the 20 article of the anti-corruption convention - the article on the illegal enrichment of officials has not yet been ratified). The outflow of capital (mostly to the West) no one seeks to put a reliable barrier. Talk about raising the status of the Russian ruble has been going on for many years, but in fact, the ruble is only losing its position (globally).

If we again turn to the statistics of growth rates, then the pro-Western Russian economy becomes even more obvious. So, the growth rates of the economies of Russia, Germany, USA, France lie in the range from 0,4% to 2%. Ukraine, which wished to integrate with the EU, finds itself in the same plane. Here is Georgia, which has a pro-Western economic course, and Estonia, which is in the eurozone with 2011. Why was Belarus here, and not Kazakhstan? The fact is that the Belarusian economy is primarily focused on the Russian one, and ours, in turn, is sewn to the western one. The economy of Kazakhstan is oriented not only towards Russia, but also, for example, towards China (the annual trade turnover of the PRC and Kazakhstan) is about 27 billion dollars.

Vladimir Putin’s recent visits to Vietnam and South Korea show the desire of the Russian leadership (is there a whole leadership?) To somewhat reorient the economic model. In this, at the late Brezhnev era and the era of the current Putin, there are significant differences - then there were no special attempts to reorient somewhere. But one thing is attempts, others are results, after all, the linking of the Russian economy to the western one is so strong that the West can not prevent such a reorientation, and it doesn’t even need to make any special effort for this (the West) —the Russian reserves are invested in the European and the American economy. But without reorientation and diversification, the Russian financial system risks remaining on indicators close to zero, even with the level of potential that Russia has. And zero indicators, stagnation and preservation of previous successes do not lead to good. Examples are available ...
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  1. Guun
    Guun 18 November 2013 08: 29
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    The East must be guided. The era of the West passes, no matter how hard it tries, but the story is that it likes to be repeated. Sooner or later, Europe will burn, the seeds have long been sown.
    1. ivshubarin
      ivshubarin 18 November 2013 08: 34
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      The fact of the matter is that the west has always focused on trade with the east (India, China), and we all look to the west
    2. baltika-18
      baltika-18 18 November 2013 08: 55
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      Quote: Guun
      Sooner or later, Europe will burn, the seeds have long been sown.

      In the modern world, the East has as many chances to blaze as the West. All are connected through the economy. Politics only accelerates or slows down, that is, corrects processes.
      According to the article. It is said correctly ..... We stand, hesitate, such a point, it can go up, it can go down.
      The reasons for this are also correctly stated. The WTO can be added to them.
      Why? A budget of 445 billion was missed due to a reduction in customs duties. Food imports have grown by 15% over the past year. Prices have not fallen, on the contrary they have risen.
      Something is wrong.
      1. Ascetic
        Ascetic 18 November 2013 09: 43
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        Quote: baltika-18
        .WTO can be added to them.


        Russia's accession to the WTO took place on August 22, 2012. In January - July 2013, imports amounted to 179,3 billion US dollars and compared with January - July 2012 increased by 3,4%. The following sectors of the economy suffered most severely: woodworking and pulp and paper - here import growth was 14,3%; textile and shoe (10%); production of metals and products from them (7,9%); food and agricultural raw materials (6,7%); chemical industry products (7,5%).
        As for exports, Russia has only three large export items (excluding hydrocarbons). These are products of the chemical industry, metals and products from them, equipment and vehicles. The export of chemical products decreased by 3% (0,55 billion US dollars), export of machinery and equipment grew by 6% (0,93 billion US dollars), exports metals and products from them fell by 15% ($ 4 billion).
        Thus, if we consider only imports, then joining the WTO cost us 0,6% of GDP.
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        1. cosmos111
          cosmos111 18 November 2013 10: 27
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          Quote: Ascetic
          Thus, if we consider only import, then accession to the WTO cost us 0,6% of GDP.

          There’s nothing to even compare.

          Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin, the great president.
          There were none in Russia and the USSR.
          He stopped the collapse of Russia, both political and economic.
          In two three years, Russia will make an economic breakthrough. A new industrialization will begin.
          The liberal government of Medvedev will be replaced.
          Putin in his last speeches made this clear. And his word of law said he soaked all the militants in sartirs.
          Another presidential term and Russia will be a world power, like the USSR.
          1. vezunchik
            vezunchik 18 November 2013 10: 38
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            Dreams Dreams, where is your sweetness. Dreams are gone - Ostalost ....
          2. Ascetic
            Ascetic 18 November 2013 10: 56
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            Quote: cosmos111
            Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin, the great president.
            There were none in Russia and the USSR.


            That's right. Under Putin, a system was created in which profits from excess profits (at least a large part of them) through a system of economic relations and through the budget were nevertheless redistributed and allowed to plug “holes” in the economy and ensure its growth in a liberal market .In particular, through the creation of the Central Bank's backup banks and the Welfare Fund. That is, unlike the Yeltsin era, the money went into development, including defense. People began to receive salaries and pensions, because money appeared, and not like Eltsin pounded helmets and received salaries with coffins, because all the proceeds were pumped out by the Khodorkovsky oil oligarchs, Abramovich and Berezovsky. Now the situation has developed that these excess returns (the price of oil is stably high) can no longer cover the decline in the profitability of their own economy, as I wrote above. Therefore, without changing the monetary policy of the Central Bank and the tax policy, the whole system that was created in the 90s by Gaidar reformers, there will be no internal economic growth and consumer demand, since no one will invest in it, it will not be able to make a profit and will not develop, because it will remain unprofitable. Therefore, all Medvedev ravings about attracting investment and innovation are utter nonsense. Why is it impossible to immediately apply measures to improve the economy and reorient it to domestic demand, as expounded by statist economists and quoted by me above? To do this, you need to be clearly aware of the political consequences of this step. I can’t judge them, the only thing that can be said is that it will immediately be difficult without import until import substitution begins to develop, inflation will increase, price, dissatisfaction and panic. Plus hats that in your picture completely lose their main gesheft in Russia, as well as market and network speculators of imported products, especially the Caucasian-Dagestan sector. What consequences will this lead to? I do not know.
            However, to explain to people like you is like throwing beads in front of pigs.
            1. baltika-18
              baltika-18 18 November 2013 12: 09
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              Quote: Ascetic
              Why is it impossible to immediately apply measures to improve the economy and reorient it to domestic demand, as expounded by statist economists and quoted by me above? To do this, you must clearly understand the political consequences of this step.

              Ascetic, the consequences of course will be. But they are much less than the consequences of "fidgeting in one place" of the current leadership. Here is an example from life. At the beginning of 2012, we have 5 agricultural enterprises in the region, at the end of 2013 there are actually 3 bankruptcy. For half a year they do not pay wages, they are falling apart. I think another couple of years of doing nothing in this direction and the result is deplorable. After all, in Europe the farmer receives a subsidy of 365 euros per hectare of farmland, in our country it does not even reach 30. loans. What competition can there be?
              Putin consciously or unconsciously, but fell into a trap. You can get out of it only by scrapping the current system. And what kind of system is this? It is an eternal dependence on external factors that you can not influence, or if you can, you really don’t Significantly. Will he go for it? No, he won’t go, he won’t take any chances, and maybe all of this consciously, suits him all.
              1. Ascetic
                Ascetic 18 November 2013 13: 13
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                Quote: baltika-18
                . You can get out of it only by scrapping the current system. And what kind of system is this? It is an eternal dependence on external factors that you can either not influence, and if you can, it’s not very significant. Will it go for it? No, he won’t go, he won’t take any chances, and maybe all of this consciously, suits him all.


                I agree. The key word is scrapping, Putin is far from openly going into confrontation. There is no one to break that. Almost all of our moneybags are tied to the West. And Putin understands this very well when he speaks of the "nationalization of the elites." It is easy to arrange a revolution and scrapping, But what will happen after? There will be war or "revolution" do not worry about a matter of time. Rather, we now need to be more afraid of external enemies, and we are deliberately poked at internal problems. Now, orders have been placed for reserve ground equipment for target designation and navigation, they have begun near Novosib. For submarines, a new generation of ASBU is being introduced, which will reduce the time of pre-launch operations. Rogozin at closed meetings fires all saboteurs and traitors. The carcasses are placed in Kant ... and there is a lot of other things they don't talk about. A matter of time and all these Putin-Neputin disputes will seem like child's play.

                1. baltika-18
                  baltika-18 18 November 2013 13: 42
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                  Quote: Ascetic
                  Putin is far from open in the confrontation will not climb.

                  You wanted to say "far from being a doctor." I agree with that. But about breaking it. Of course, he will not and is not going to. The matter is apparently that when he became president, he probably asked the question "what to create?" Example before his eyes, the US-state-corporation. So he created something similar. In principle, the same thing, only they have more experience in this matter and print the dollar, the world currency, all prices in the world in it. Why foreign and domestic politics differ so much from him. The answer is simple, they are both subordinate to corporate interests. And what is the main thing in a corporation? Benefit, profit of those who own the corporation. And the people are secondary, it is just a "renewable resource" from the point of view of the corporation. For example, pensioners are superfluous people from their point of view.
                  I don’t know, of course, but the system in our country looks a lot like that.
                  1. aksakal
                    aksakal 18 November 2013 20: 36
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                    Quote: baltika-18
                    You wanted to say “far from being a doctor”. I agree with that. But about breaking it. Of course, it will not and is not going to. The matter is apparently that when he became president, he probably asked the question “what to create?

                    - It's nice to read your comments without anti-Putin personality raid, I would like to note. With Ascetic, everything has been clear for a long time smile
                    But the trouble is that Putin is not visible, and what to create is not only Putin’s trouble. We have already noted somehow that Russia has wild potential and strength, but its goals are NO! NO IDEAS. There was communism - somehow they thought up a stupidly good idea and eventually merged it into the toilet. Incidentally, neither the DPRK, nor Cuba, nor the PRC and Vietnam were going to give up this idea and are not going to, but are developing themselves at a frantic pace in spite of the claims of Atalefs and other Israelis. But only in Russia they managed to emasculate the idea and in the end ... Yes, of course, in short.
                    Now we cannot return to communism, the capitalism of Russia is alien and uncomfortable, although it, as we see, lives in it, more precisely, does not live but exists, living not its own, alien life. In general, the seams, and no one offers anything, everyone is trying to build Anglo-Saxony on 1/6 of the land. What for? After all, this is completely non-Russian, too utilitarian, perhaps ...
                    1. baltika-18
                      baltika-18 18 November 2013 21: 17
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                      Quote: aksakal
                      It’s nice to read your comments without anti-Putin personality attacks, I would like to note

                      Honestly, I am neutral towards Putin as a person, because I personally do not know and do not know a thief or not a thief, I don’t have any data until God. As a leader of the state I have a negative opinion, because I believe that he is not able to build an acceptable for a country’s society, to give people an idea and hope, and not just hope, but gradually fulfilled dreams. I don’t have anger, I just want to understand what he wants, how he is guided in his actions, whether he is independent in his actions or not, and much more what I want to understand. Maybe I understand .....
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          4. Ribwort
            Ribwort 18 November 2013 11: 36
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            Quote: cosmos111
            In two three years, Russia will make an economic breakthrough. A new industrialization will begin.

            Quote: cosmos111
            Another presidential term and Russia will be a world power, like the USSR.

            belay For a second it seemed to me that you are serious laughing
            + for irony, albeit bitter.
          5. Asgard
            Asgard 18 November 2013 11: 52
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            Yes sarcasm sea ....
            Some have mistaken your caustic statements for the Mantras of the Popular Front or the United Russia party
            The photo, of course, is still burning, Vladimir Vladimirovich still continues to fulfill the behests of the "Sinai sages" set forth in some protocols ...
            By the way, let’s recall fishing with the Shoigu shaman, there He voiced (for those who understand) the Masonic message-by catching pike about 21 kilograms ....

            FUNNY happened (for those who understand))))))
            1. Sharp
              Sharp 18 November 2013 13: 12
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              Unfortunately (or maybe fortunately) our national leader (or maybe the leader of another nation) wink became completely inadequate. In my opinion, he just did not swim on a shark. belay Or have you already been swimming? laughing
              1. 31231
                31231 18 November 2013 15: 21
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                But what's wrong with the fact that the president has an active lifestyle and is interested in many things ?!
                Do you prefer the amorphous French Oladushek or the narrow-minded Obama?
          6. Ivan Petrovich
            Ivan Petrovich 18 November 2013 15: 41
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            Are you serious? :)) Well then, I, too, for Industrialization ...
          7. alone
            alone 18 November 2013 20: 31
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            belay
            Quote: cosmos111
            Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin, the great president.
            There were none in Russia and the USSR.
            He stopped the collapse of Russia, both political and economic.
            In two three years, Russia will make an economic breakthrough. A new industrialization will begin.
            The liberal government of Medvedev will be replaced.
            Putin in his last speeches made this clear. And his word of law said he soaked all the militants in sartirs.
            Another presidential term and Russia will be a world power, like the USSR.


            but essentially something to say? people already know this mine
          8. Cherdak
            Cherdak 18 November 2013 21: 30
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            Quote: cosmos111
            The liberal government of Medvedev will be replaced.



            And here some scum spreads such pictures
          9. Ragoz
            Ragoz 19 November 2013 01: 27
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            I do not believe, because Putin is heavily dependent on his past and present environment.
          10. i.xxx-1971
            i.xxx-1971 29 November 2013 16: 40
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            There were - I.V. Stalin.
        2. Yarosvet
          Yarosvet 18 November 2013 13: 27
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          Quote: Ascetic
          Russia's accession to the WTO took place on August 22, 2012

          Moreover, in the process, the Constitution and Federal law were violated.
        3. their
          their 18 November 2013 16: 06
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          This is only in the first year, it will be worse further, Western "partners" will squeeze out the market share in Russia
          1. Igor39
            Igor39 18 November 2013 20: 37
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            Western partners bought up 25% of the state debt, they could collapse the ruble.
      2. Ascetic
        Ascetic 18 November 2013 10: 02
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        Quote: baltika-18
        .We are wavering, such a point, maybe up, maybe down.

        There are sensible proposals, in particular refocusing on domestic demand, and the Ulyukaevs and Siluanovs repeat to us about low profitability and purchasing power. Where will it be high if the profit from the export of raw materials is converted into the American economy through gold and foreign currency reserves, plus the discount rate of the Central Bank on loans, to put it mildly, does not contribute to the competition of our entrepreneur with a foreign one, where does the profitability come from? And to raise salaries and pensions no way down, for they say there will be inflation and the devaluation of the ruble, as if now it is gone. Everything is done in order not to develop domestic demand, which means its own production oriented to it, but to pump money abroad and replace domestic demand with import. Therefore, we get a vicious circle. In Russia, most of the consumer goods are imported and an increase in purchasing power will lead to increased demand for the currency and, ultimately, to the devaluation of the ruble and, in the best case, to the return of purchasing power, at worst due to financial panic, to its reduction. Liberals insist on this, justifying the transfer of money supply into gold and gold reserves.
        Can the vicious circle be broken? Only by comprehensive measures: the strictest foreign exchange control up to the conduct of foreign economic transactions only through a single bank, while any attempt to bypass the control must be severely suppressed, up to the revocation of the license of the violating bank; the introduction of a state monopoly on the sale of raw materials and energy; the introduction of a rigid ruble exchange rate for importing enterprises; the re-nationalization of Sberbank, the establishment of salaries for its employees from the budget for the purpose of interest-free lending to manufacturing enterprises; "freezing" the tariffs of natural monopolies; the establishment of the rent for public premises to private enterprises, without the right to sublease, at the level of depreciation charges; a change in the tax system - the introduction of a turnover tax instead of income tax and VAT for all enterprises (different by industry) except for trade and services; leave VAT in trade, making it progressive for wholesalers and retailers exceeding the level of added value above 7-10 %, and shortening the chain from a commodity producer to a buyer by two or three links, for example, a regional wholesaler-regional retailer or a wholesaler-regional wholesaler-retailer. It is necessary once and for all to abandon the speculative method of establishing the exchange rate of the ruble by its purchase and sale by the Central Bank and to persistently promote the conditions of the natural convertibility of the ruble - the creation of a competitive commodity production in the country.
        1. atalef
          atalef 18 November 2013 20: 50
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          Ascetic wrote
          Incidentally, neither the DPRK, nor Cuba, nor the PRC and Vietnam were going to give up this idea and are not going to, but are developing themselves at a frantic pace in spite of the statements of Atalefs and other Israelis

          North Korea and Cuba are developing at a frantic pace --- they laughed, well, it’s okay, but if in China and Vietnam it is socialism, then
          Stop giving wishful thinking, say halva at least a thousand times --- it won't become sweeter in your mouth. laughing
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 18 November 2013 20: 57
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            Quote: atalef
            at least a thousand times say halva --- sweeter in your mouth will not. laughing

        2. aksakal
          aksakal 18 November 2013 20: 56
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          Quote: Ascetic
          and the Ulyukaevs and Siluanovs repeat to us about low profitability and purchasing power.
          - you can, of course, personify enemies, now it's Ulyukaev and Siluanov, yesterday - a sly red face and a London suicide bomber. But it's not about them, it's about a system that already possesses all the signs of a living system, with an instinct for self-preservation, and so on. The matter is aggravated by the fact that a market economy has been built in Russia, and there are no real market specialists in Russia! Not to call the Ulyukayev-Silanovs as such? - for the knowledge that was stuck into their heads in the American-Cambridge, in fact, is flawed and incomplete, because this knowledge was given with one purpose - to enslave Russia. And as a result of this, it is not at all necessary to see the Ulyukayevs as enemies of the Fatherland, they are sincerely trying to apply their acquired "pseudo-knowledge" for the benefit of the Motherland, but in fact they harm it. Hence the sad picture when:
          Quote: Ascetic
          Where will it be high if the profit from the export of raw materials is converted into the American economy through gold and foreign currency reserves, plus the discount rate of the Central Bank on loans, to put it mildly, does not contribute to the competition of our entrepreneur with a foreign one, where does the profitability come from? And to raise salaries and pensions no way down, for they say there will be inflation and the devaluation of the ruble, as if now it is gone. Everything is done in order not to develop domestic demand, which means its own production oriented to it, but to pump money abroad and replace domestic demand with import.

          You need to more clearly and decisively convey your opinion to the PEOPLE, what they want. Why can't we revive communism as an idea? The smartest experts - Khazin and Wasserman - speak with one voice about the "Return of the Red Idea".
          And the question is - why did Putin believe that "unfortunately we do not have a return to communism"? Communism is not Zemfira (there was such a tolerant singer, remember? Or is there), for the annoying "Combacks" she will not ask or present, but will only be glad to return the prodigal son. And the sooner our powers that be with you understand this, the better - their butt will be more whole.
          1. baltika-18
            baltika-18 18 November 2013 21: 27
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            Quote: aksakal
            You need to more clearly and decisively convey your opinion to the PEOPLE, what they want. Why can't we revive communism as an idea? The smartest experts - Khazin and Wasserman - speak with one voice about the "Return of the Red Idea".

            Aksakal agrees with this, there is no alternative, the capitalist model is clearly becoming obsolete, with this model we will not get into other worlds and other planets.
            Quote: aksakal
            why did Putin believe that "unfortunately we do not have a return to communism"?

            But this question also interests me very much.
            1. Botanologist
              Botanologist 18 November 2013 22: 58
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              Quote: baltika-18
              But this question is also very interested in me


              As for the impossibility of returning to communism, I will try to answer, as I understand it.
              Communism is based on public ownership of the means of production plus ideology. The idea of ​​a revolution in a couple of years cannot be put into the minds of the people - the great October revolution was being prepared for 20 years. In addition, the success of the revolution was at the expense of the peasantry - it was robbed, dispossessed and exiled. Actually, it was a stratum of the population who "paid for" the revolution with their blood and their money.
              In modern conditions, we do not have an acceptable ideology (do not even lay out communism performed by Pope Zyu, this is no longer funny), there is no economy class that can make a revolution possible. In addition, modern society lives in mythical reality, and without an instrument for the formation of state myths you will not be supported or even understood.
              And finally - what are you going to offer society in return for everything that it loses during the revolution? Any beautiful words about peace-equality-brotherhood? Propaganda has long taught people besides spiritual goods to ask about material things.
    3. Canep
      Canep 18 November 2013 08: 56
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      Without investment in the construction of new enterprises, there will not be any significant growth. In the Far East or Siberia, it is necessary to build a large automobile plant jointly by the Japanese or Koreans, so that people would not buy Japanese right-handed cars. There are almost no machine-tool factories beyond Novosibirsk; there is no car-building either. There are generally very few engineering enterprises.
      1. aksakal
        aksakal 18 November 2013 21: 31
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        Quote: Canep
        Without investment in the construction of new enterprises, there will not be any significant growth. In the Far East or Siberia, it is necessary to build a large automobile plant jointly by the Japanese or Koreans, so that people would not buy Japanese right-handed cars. There are almost no machine-tool factories beyond Novosibirsk; there is no car-building either. There are generally very few engineering enterprises.
        - so there are not many people, to whom to sell the machines? Japanese? Or the Chinese? Do they have their own machines? Yes, they will overwhelm ... By the way, I don’t know what about the sophisticated machines, but the metalworking and woodworking machines in China are even nothing ... The Germans or the Japs, most likely, were "communed". For Siberia and its riches, another application is needed. It is necessary to extract what Siberia is rich in, then sell it, but in no case in the form of raw materials, but in the form of a finished product.
        Once I was in China in 2007 in October, where my Chinese partner was running around with a very pale look - Putin was just at that time bending over the broken-down Finland, which did not give the go-ahead for the laying of Nord Stream and therefore published an order not to sell timber with round timber, but only with finished products. Like that Chinese, whose entire business was built on the import of round timber from Siberia, from the Angara, to your Putin, and the entire Russian and Siberian people, who do not understand why and for what such merits Siberia got. So you would at least abstain, scolding Putin, there is someone to mother him from the heart, personally saw, heard and tried to calm him down laughing laughing What are you likened to the Chinese, adapted to parasitize on Russia? Nothing, that Chinese adapted, started selling pure wooden furniture from Angarsk pine in China for wealthy Chinese, and so he lives.
        Or else - diamonds. Why does Russia dance to the tune of de Beers? Who is de Beers? Why is this Anglo-Jewish family going to dictate what diamond to mine and for what amount and to whom it is sold to the first or almost the first nuclear power in the world? They accidentally didn’t hit their heads there? Or do they have no idea about the SU-34? I can’t enter, how can I give an entire industry on a global scale to one family? Why is this a fright? Maybe then the air of the whole planet will be given to some family (well, of course, Jewish, how else?) For profit it will be laughing In short, de Birsov’s monopoly on diamonds needs to be destroyed, a new industry market should be built on a competitive and fair basis, drag and drop the best diamond jewelers and designers to Yakutsk for a while without work, and sell Yakutia-Sakha diamonds in the form of diamond jewelry by building in Yakutsk
        diamond mining and jewelry competencies, rather than selling diamonds in huge chunks for de bierce's bargain price, as is happening now. Of course, in addition to diamonds and oil with gas, timber, furs and fish can only be obtained on a compensatory basis. Simply put, I got a cube of wood - I planted one and a half seedlings, I got a ton of red fish - I released two fry. After all, Siberia is beautiful with its riches, you just need to build a business so that you BUY it for a normal price, and not ... get it, as de Birsa is doing now with diamonds and the Chinese are doing round timber. You are a very strong and well-armed state, why let anyone do this with you? Well, something like this...
    4. user
      user 18 November 2013 10: 08
      10
      It is only in fairy tales that everything is quickly done.
      Hydrocarbon deliveries were differentiated, they made deliveries with China for the coming decades, and new pipelines were built (by the way, given their length and climatic conditions, this is something, but no one mentions this). Gas liquefaction plants are being built or built, and much has been done in metallurgy, and how many car plants have been built. How long has it been possible to buy a car only before retirement? Of course I want more more and faster, but I want to note all this has been done without any all-Union construction projects and without the involvement of the FSIN forces.
      Although if you look back to the West all the time (but they have a different story, they have not fought so many wars in the last 100 years, they have not had so many revolutions and coups, the political system has not changed several times and Russia has never lived at the expense of the colonies).
      And most importantly, what to do with the liberal-minded part of the population (I don’t say whether they are right or not), the question is still that. After all, they are also citizens of Russia, and you won’t send everyone to the wall. Well, all this if We want to build a normal state, and not conduct another revolution. What incidentally, everyone has long been waiting for from us knowing our history of the country.
    5. Kibalchish
      Kibalchish 18 November 2013 13: 18
      -15 qualifying.
      All Putin on the list
      1. 31231
        31231 18 November 2013 15: 26
        +7
        You can give serious arguments, and not cheap demotivator pictures ?!

        So you can hang on Brezhnev Afgan, and Chernobyl on Gorbach.
        Tomorrow the train will move you, is Putin also to blame? Or you can’t fulfill your marital duty, again Putin lowered his erection?
        1. soldier's grandson
          soldier's grandson 18 November 2013 18: 49
          +1
          and Chernobyl hangs on Gorbachev, you don’t know what it was planned?
          1. 31231
            31231 18 November 2013 21: 10
            -2
            and Chernobyl hangs on Gorbachev, you don’t know what it was planned?


            No, of course, tell me. Did Misha experiment with the reactor himself?
        2. Kibalchish
          Kibalchish 18 November 2013 19: 49
          -5
          Do not distort. All of the above on the conscience of Botex. I can even point out why, but laziness toss the beads in front of the poor.

          PS And my potency is also enough for your wife lol
          1. 31231
            31231 18 November 2013 21: 19
            -1
            PS And my potency is also enough for your wife


            Better take your restless little hands. Though the keyboard will rest.
            1. Kibalchish
              Kibalchish 19 November 2013 06: 17
              +1
              Yes Yes...
        3. Dezzed
          Dezzed 18 November 2013 20: 24
          -2
          Quote: 31231
          So you can hang on Brezhnev Afgan, and Chernobyl on Gorbach.


          I don’t know about GDP, and the thief Brezhnev is responsible for Afghanistan and Gorbachev for Chernobyl. these occurrences were hardly like rains from the sky.
          1. 31231
            31231 18 November 2013 21: 08
            +2
            It is a pity that only for Vietnam, Korea, Cuba, Iraq, Libya and many other countries, Americans do not hang on their presidents.
            So you hang the recent bombing of Syria on Netanyahu?
      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 18 November 2013 15: 31
        +3
        Quote: Kibalchish
        All Putin on the list

        And another drunk brought down people to death, do not forget to add to the list.
        Your list alone suggests that it’s not much easier for you to blame all the troubles on one person, rather than look for the one to blame. The plane crashed, is Putin also to blame, or maybe you think?
        1. Galinanp
          Galinanp 18 November 2013 16: 03
          0
          Quote: Kibalchish
          All Putin on the list

          And another drunk brought down people to death, do not forget to add to the list.
          Your list alone suggests that it’s not much easier for you to blame all the troubles on one person, rather than look for the one to blame. The plane crashed, is Putin also to blame, or maybe you think?

          Exactly, recently here on the site, someone posted this, unfortunately I do not remember the author:
          The cat left the kittens.
          This is Putin's fault.
          The hare was thrown by the mistress.
          Guilty Guess!

          Here ends the board
          The poor bull.
          Our Tanya is crying loudly.
          Near Putin, not otherwise.

          The light went out, the fence fell,
          The car stalled motor
          Healthy tooth removed
          Ile climbed into the apartment thief
          Did not like the movie,
          You have come to r ... but.
          Any cataclysm
          One explanation:

          Every democrat knows
          This is Putin's fault!
          There is nothing to add.
          1. alone
            alone 18 November 2013 20: 35
            +2
            wonderful poems! laughing good
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 18 November 2013 20: 42
              0
              Are you sure you have the right to grunt, black-backed

              To whom and for what I wrote it
      3. King
        King 18 November 2013 15: 58
        +1
        Every day in Russia, for one reason or another, thousands of people die - Putin is also to blame :)))
    6. Letterksi
      Letterksi 18 November 2013 13: 46
      +3
      The East must be guided. The era of the West passes, no matter how hard it tries, but the story is that it likes to be repeated. Sooner or later, Europe will burn, seeds have been sown for a long time


      Those. they gave, they gave to the west, now it is necessary to give the east? Maybe it’s time for many people how to reorient their eyes inside the country, and feel their capabilities?
    7. Xroft
      Xroft 18 November 2013 19: 42
      +2
      why will the economy grow if the population has no money? capitalist society relies on the market (medium and small business), and in our country this is what they managed to steal after the collapse of the USSR. Loans with one of the highest rates in the world, the bureaucratic machine is one of the worst in the world, to start a business requires huge financial investments (for small and medium-sized entrepreneurs) that do not cover the risks of our market (in which the legislation does not protect entrepreneurs). Big business does not develop at all, but only stagnates (because there are no new players that we could move the market) and relies on the oil / gas / resource extraction industry.
      The situation will only worsen if the situation in the financial sector does not change. Namely, if there are no optimal conditions for lending to the population (the basis of capitalism)
    8. mirag2
      mirag2 19 November 2013 07: 09
      0
      Yes, this is complete nonsense !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
      When the economy is DEVELOPMENT-development, and GDP growth falls.
      Think, after all, it cannot be that GDP grows CONSTANTLY, the worse the economy is developed, the lower the growth.
      And we have no economy either (as in Ukraine), and there is no growth.
      Now, if it was at the German level, then the lack of growth can be justified.
      I’m leaving for the minus. I can’t see the hat rubbing rudely at me.
  2. mak210
    mak210 18 November 2013 08: 32
    28
    Oil has ceased to rise in price, and so on. the economy has stopped. And what about this growth? The next team will buy or a scattering of Faberge eggs, the summer Olympics in Norilsk. And the fact that enterprises, especially in the CIS, are closing one after another? And the fields overgrown with birches? And the more expensive eggs and potatoes are the first signs of a global price collapse?

    We are offered to create another ministry, and everything will be the way, Lelik. Ministry of Housing and Public Utilities - utter nonsense. It seems that his main task is to manage the increase in prices. In my yard for the third time this summer-autumn, outwardly completely normal asphalt was laid in the yard (pipes were laid in the spring), who will pay for this? The answer is obvious - me. Of course, not very funny, but after the third repair, the hatch fell right in the middle.

    Russia groans: "Give me jobs!" To hell with him, height. The hope is complete.
    1. Andrey57
      Andrey57 18 November 2013 08: 46
      27
      Yes, there is actually no growth since last autumn, there are residual attempts to portray this notorious "growth" with the help of perversions in statistics. And oil prices have nothing to do with it, since they did not fall. On the face of the moronic economic policy of the liberal government of the Ladies and the complete concurrence of GDP in domestic economic policy. The appointments of the Minister of Finance and the head of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation alone are worth something - as long as such audiences as Siluanov and Nabiullina "rule" to please the Washington Regional Committee, there will be no jobs and no economic growth.
    2. Vadivak
      Vadivak 18 November 2013 09: 00
      23
      Quote: ....
      It should be noted that a decrease in growth rates is typical for many developed and developing countries.


      What do we have to do with it? We have UGANDIAN Boeings! are exploited. Do you understand? After blacks to Russia. Shame ....
    3. 31231
      31231 18 November 2013 15: 29
      -3
      And the more expensive eggs and potatoes are the first signs of a global price collapse?


      And you there the emerging economic crisis on coffee grounds do not want to tell fortunes?
      1. ansons
        ansons 18 November 2013 18: 29
        +1
        Exactly. I thought the eggs are getting more expensive by winter (laying hens begin to lay fewer eggs and you have to heat the rooms), but no, this is a global collapse in prices! Horror!
    4. baltika-18
      baltika-18 18 November 2013 16: 38
      +6
      Quote: mak210
      Ministry of Housing and Public Utilities - utter nonsense.

      This is our former governor. They put me on a bear. He stole, now in Moscow. From his environment, the people are under investigation, they will see the switchmen, and the boss will be ministers.
      1. Sharp
        Sharp 18 November 2013 19: 30
        +2
        I subscribe to every word. His companions testified against me. Everyone was waiting for him to be imprisoned. So Putin put him in a ministerial chair.
        PS By the way, the blue theme is traced quite clearly in this comrade (despite the large number of children).
        1. Yarosvet
          Yarosvet 18 November 2013 21: 45
          +6
          Quote: Quick-witted
          Everyone was waiting for him to be imprisoned
  3. ramsi
    ramsi 18 November 2013 08: 35
    16
    Russia already simply has no choice but to completely change the crap ... of the leader and his course
    1. pahom54
      pahom54 18 November 2013 10: 06
      +9
      for ramsi
      On the one hand, the thought is correct ... And on the other, without defending Putin, I will ask the same question that I often ask myself: Well, we will change the leader. Question: FOR WHOM ??? All this poe..en shouting "Down with Putin" never answered specifically: Down with Putin, but who will replace it? Is Grisha Yavlinsky a chatterbox? Misha Prokhorov? Or, even more so, the court clown Zhirinovsky?
      So I ask you a question (I repeat) without protecting Putin at all) - WHO WOULD YOU PERSONALLY WANT NOW TO SEE AT ITS PLACE? Do not say that those who benefit the Motherland, the Fatherland, Russia are all words. Who exactly ??? !!!
      1. Yarosvet
        Yarosvet 18 November 2013 13: 47
        +3
        Quote: pahom54
        Question: FOR WHOM ??? All this poe..en shouting "Down with Putin" never answered specifically: Down with Putin, but who will replace it? Is Grisha Yavlinsky a chatterbox? Misha Prokhorov? Or, even more so, the court clown Zhirinovsky?
        1. aksakal
          aksakal 18 November 2013 22: 30
          0
          Quote: Yarosvet
          Quote: pahom54
          Question: FOR WHOM ??? All this poe..en shouting "Down with Putin" never answered specifically: Down with Putin, but who will replace it? Is Grisha Yavlinsky a chatterbox? Misha Prokhorov? Or, even more so, the court clown Zhirinovsky?

          forgive me, how do you read this abomination? Are you seriously reading and reading this? For all my disrespect to you, I still thought better of you. This is a typical Russophobic article about who Mukhin is - no need to explain. Here he is defending Novodvorskaya, like, "a harmless old woman, she did not harm, so let's give her a chance." Maybe remind you that this old woman was screaming during the conflict 080808? Or remember yourself? What did the Germans offer about the Black Sea Fleet - to remind? Like, this is an incapacitated unit, at the exit from the Dardanelles they will block (the question is - who will take the risk if it suddenly comes to the point?). So the Black Sea Fleet is for the war with Georgia laughing The Black Sea Fleet of Russia is a museum and must be destroyed, well, or let it remain a museum, for which the cannons should be neutralized.
          Yarosvet, change your nickname, this is no longer funny. After all, there are a lot of beautiful tolerant nicknames, to be called somehow more adequately.
          As for the replacement for Putin - I will explain it on your fingers. There is such a concept - "political capital". In fact, it is the level of confidence of the electorate in a given individual politician. You can tell us millions of names, and I will believe you that they are all wonderful people and excellent organizers, that they will cope with the management of such a huge state, and even in conditions of strong external obstacles, called the generalized word "foreign policy situation", I believe, but there will be one significant obstacle - they do not and will not have "political capital". They tried to fill this capital with bulk - but you are not so naive as to believe that bulk took it and decided to become a leading Russian anti-corruptionist? Well, just at the call of my soul, I decided to make Mother Russia happy with myself, because no one besides him ... That is, you understand that bulk is just a project, and besides, it is a failed project? Did anything work out? 27% in the elections in Moscow? Yes, not bad, but obviously not enough, right?
          1. aksakal
            aksakal 18 November 2013 22: 32
            0
            Ok, okay, let's suppose that one person or another manages to "fill the political capital". So you still need to look at the person. It seems that the Germans were promising - self-confident and all that. Vice Prime Minister (in the 90s). Well, Yeltsin looked at him as a possible candidate, to whom to transfer "political capital". But before that, check for lice - have you heard of such a purely Russian operation? And sho? Boris NEMTSOV: “Yeltsin began to demand that we with the Swedish Princess Victoria begin to kiss, and when she objected that the royal people were not allowed to do this according to their customs, he said:“ I wanted to spit on your traditions ” (http://www.gordon.com.ua/tv/b-nemzov-2/) - that is, the Germans are trying to pass off Yeltsin’s tyranny as a banal test for lice, arranged by Yeltsin. Why? Well, that’s why in world geopolitics there are many masters to put this or that politician in a mess - in other words - cancer. Well, like Brzezinski. At one time, world politics was teeming with such masters, even if you don’t give me a nose. It was Yeltsin who set Nemtsov’s demand into such a mess and watched him, and did not tyrannize at all. The result - the Germans did not pass the test, but exposes the drunkards as tyranny. So what? Nothing, all your candidates, Yarosvet, as soon as they get into this foreign policy environment, they’ll immediately put them in a mess! But Putin himself will just put someone in this pose, and we all saw that! Recently. So soothe your anti-Putin itch, the time will come for the elections - get excited again and do what you want!
            1. Yarosvet
              Yarosvet 18 November 2013 23: 10
              +2
              Quote: aksakal
              Excuse me, how do you read this abomination?
              I don’t even know what to answer to this confused text, but I’ll try:

              1 We are on "YOU" from your own submission, so it's not worth portraying the culture.

              2 You can fill a lot of letters, but the essence of what Mukhin wrote does not change from this - and the point is that no matter who they call liberals, it’s Putin & ko who pursues the liberal policy (rather, even neoliberal - on the verge of fascism) in Russia.

              3 I still read such an abomination:
        2. Xroft
          Xroft 18 November 2013 22: 31
          0
          http://nstarikov.ru/club/22637
          read Yarosvet, and understand who the liberals are and what they want.
          And not stereotyped articles about the good fluffy liberals who care about people. (Russia should be in NATO slogans, Russia should be divided in the Urals already forgotten?)
          1. aksakal
            aksakal 18 November 2013 22: 34
            0
            Quote: Xroft
            read Yarosvet, and understand who the liberals are and what they want.
            And not stereotyped articles about the good fluffy people-taking care of billionaires in the ranks of liberalism
            - yes here’s the last time I’ll try to reason, it won’t work out - let it not really be offended
            1. Xroft
              Xroft 18 November 2013 23: 01
              0
              The worst thing that can happen to Russia is if after Putin (imagine this will happen! And we will see it) liberals come to power .... I want to believe that he has a real heir who has not yet been shown (like Putin was not visible in the political arena until the very last moment) which, as a new leader, will be able to break / plant / change in the wake of the election campaign (which was done by the GDP in its time).
              1. Yarosvet
                Yarosvet 18 November 2013 23: 24
                +3
                Quote: Xroft
                The worst thing that can happen to Russia is if after Putin (imagine this will happen! And we will see it) liberals will come to power
                Ivan, are they in power anyway - much more liberal?

                .... I want to believe that he has a real heir
                Yes, everyone knows him. By the way - how long have we had a monarchy?

                will be able to break / plant / change in the wake of the election campaign (which did the GDP at the time).
                Who did Vova, an acre of hodor, plant?
                1. Xroft
                  Xroft 19 November 2013 11: 18
                  0
                  Quote: Yarosvet
                  Ivan, are they in power anyway - much more liberal?

                  Well, imagine if not only a part of the government, but the whole Kremlin becomes like that. Blue marches all over the country, etc. That’s happiness will come to your homeland ... That’s why it’s in the neck to drive such people out of power.
                  Quote: Yarosvet
                  Yes, everyone knows him. By the way - how long have we had a monarchy?

                  Do you believe in fair democratic elections? wink I believe in a clan system of power, without real support (financial in the first place) not one candidate will appear (in any political system)
                  Quote: Yarosvet
                  Who did Vova, an acre of hodor, plant?

                  Do you remember the crime rate in 1999? I remember very well how the cafe / cars were blown up / shot in the center of large cities and this was the norm. Something I don’t notice now .... although you do not have a difference between the 90s and our time. Do you live in a bunker? laughing
          2. Yarosvet
            Yarosvet 18 November 2013 23: 15
            +1
            Quote: Xroft
            read Yarosvet, and understand who the liberals are and what they want.
            I’m not digesting the nonsense that this Kremlin pretzel paired with Fedorov.

            Do not be too lazy to read about liberals on "lurka" (through a search engine: liberast ... Lukomorye) - a mock article, but very correct in meaning.
            1. Xroft
              Xroft 19 November 2013 11: 48
              -2
              Quote: Yarosvet
              I’m not digesting the nonsense that this Kremlin pretzel paired with Fedorov.

              Do you digest liberal nonsense Novodvorskaya? and pro-Western whining about joining NATO? and what should Russia be divided? Give Kaliningrad to Lithuania? it's ok for you.
              And ideas about rebuilding the country, about the primacy of the people and the motherland, that corruption should be planted, and that they are not looking for good from the West. Is that bad for you?
              Are you definitely a citizen of this Russia and want to be a Russian? It reminds rhetoric when they say that it would be better if the Nazis with Hitler at the head * helped * the Soviet people of Stalin to remove from power, and put their own order, would you drive a Mercedes now? is it closer to you right? wink
              1. Yarosvet
                Yarosvet 19 November 2013 15: 06
                +1
                Quote: Xroft
                Well, imagine if not only part of the government, but the whole Kremlin will become so
                What makes you think that this is only a part?

                Blue marches across the country, etc.
                You are like an adult, but drive a blizzard: maybe you think that the United States of the 50s, related to pederasty as well as the USSR, were not liberal?

                Therefore, in the neck to drive such from power
                I agree, but that means driving everyone starting from the president.

                Quote: Yarosvet
                Do you believe in fair democratic elections?
                I know that they are possible.

                I believe in a clan system of power, without real support (financial in the first place) not one candidate will appear (in any political system)
                Maybe we recall the Soviets of the Stalin period?

                Quote: Yarosvet
                Do you remember the crime rate in 1999? Something I don’t notice now ....
                Really curious...
              2. Yarosvet
                Yarosvet 19 November 2013 15: 22
                +1
                Quote: Xroft
                Do you digest liberal nonsense Novodvorskaya?
                From this moment in more detail: where did I write at least something that could encourage you to ask similar questions?

                and pro-Western whining about joining NATO? and what should Russia be divided? Give Kaliningrad to Lithuania? it's ok for you
                Very interesting laughing
                Something you are trying very hard to earn a yap label: where did I write that what you listed is normal for me?

                And ideas about rebuilding the country, about the primacy of the people and the motherland, that corruption should be planted, and that they are not looking for good from the West. Is that bad for you?
                So I just keep it up, while they try to convince me that breaking the law, openly treacherous policies and surrendering the interests of the country is the norm.

                Are you definitely a citizen of this Russia and want to be a Russian?
                But do you really know how to read, or do you manage to read only what you want to read and see, and to see it turns out only what you want to see?

                Quote: Xroft
                is it closer to you right?
                More likely to you.

                And so: be kind enough to confirm your fabrications, distortions and substitution of concepts with appropriate quotes (where I would write something like that). If you can’t, then you are a nice man - yap.
                1. Xroft
                  Xroft 19 November 2013 19: 24
                  -3
                  The excerpt you posted from the article about Mukhin and rallies quote (!) Liberals are not only Navalny but also Kasparov, Novodvorskaya, Nemtsov and supporters (s)
                  Didn't you spread it? what do you refuse native liberals? probably you need to know what they are talking to society? and Putin do you want to exchange for this?
                  So do not bother you and publish such things. And look soberly at the world, and not through pink glasses.
                  Call a real candidate who will nominate himself for the elections and will be an alternative to Putin in modern politics, a specific name - If you can’t, then you’re a sweet yap (s)
                  ps
                  Quote: Yarosvet
                  I’m not digesting the nonsense that this Kremlin pretzel paired with Fedorov
                  This is you about an article where they call for patriotism, and the fight against liberals.
                  1. Yarosvet
                    Yarosvet 19 November 2013 20: 25
                    0
                    Quote: Xroft
                    The excerpt you posted from the article about Mukhin and rallies quote (!) Liberals are not only Navalny but also Kasparov, Novodvorskaya, Nemtsov and supporters (s)
                    Didn't you spread it?
                    My friend: have you read the whole text, or does your sight fail at the word "liberal"?

                    Do you want to change Putin for this?
                    Somewhere I suggested changing the flea’s for soap?

                    So do not bother you and publish such things. And look soberly at the world, not through pink glasses
                    So do not worry: these, so to speak, liberals (who were never liberals and were always fascists) did everything to keep Putin in power.

                    Call a real candidate who will nominate himself for the elections and will be an alternative to Putin in modern politics, a specific name - If you can’t, then you’re a sweet yap (s)
                    These names have been called to you dozens of times - starting with Boldyrev, and ending with really the best of the worst - Zyuganov.

                    Quote: Yarosvet
                    This is you about an article where they call for patriotism, and the fight against liberals.
                    This is me about the pretzel, who, along with Fedorov, lies to the right and left, trying to whitewash the black male and calling for kvas patriotism.
      2. 31231
        31231 18 November 2013 15: 49
        +4
        Do not wait for an answer, because they are the same people who exchanged Kuchma for Yuscha. They would only be replaced, and there the grass will not grow. The main problem is that they associate all their problems with Putin. "Who is to blame? - Putin!" They believe that Putin should pay them a salary, he should go to courts and seek legal decisions in their affairs, he should pay them loans, he just MUST! Question: do they owe someone? Three of them, half of them receive a black salary and do not try to go to white. They are not going to share the Kalym with the state, but they require the state to share taxes on the oil industry and production of PI. But they ask Putin for a pension and high-quality medical services. Why would they "wiggle the rolls" ?! When is it easier to say that "Putin is to blame"!
        They have the main ideal of Stalin. And the fact that such a person in the history of Russia was only one does not matter to them. And he came after a long and hard fate of the country. And thanks to a long reign, he improved the situation in the country.
        They forgot the time of Hunchback and EBN, they don’t notice that conflict with the leapfrog of power in Ukraine, the USSR was multinational, Russia should consist only of Russians in them.
        I then have one question for them: YOU ARE RUSSIAN MUSICS OR THE PARTIES GEYROPEZKY?
        1. Normal
          Normal 18 November 2013 17: 51
          +2
          Quote: 31231
          Do not wait for an answer


          Well, if you see only what you want, then of course you will not wait for an answer. And whoever carefully reads the posts of opponents, and does not show off in the vast expanses of discussions only with his unquestioned opinion, they have long been waiting for an answer.
          For some reason, only no one, except the all-great, does not suit them. They don’t give arguments, except perhaps against athletes who are more likely to be on the list for jokes, but who are perceived by pro-government in all seriousness. Probably not to pay attention to the rest.
          With obstinacy, which is the virtue of a famous animal, pro-authorities ask:

          T-130 RU November 15, 2013 10:26 ↑

          "Yes, we do not mind, let's change the president, just whom will we put? Navalny with Nemtsov and their union of book writers? Or Zyuganov with his Duma oligarchs?"

          Bringing as a rule compromised or frankly caricature characters.
          But after a normal answer:

          Asgard (2) SU November 15, 2013 11:14 ↑

          "Boldyreva, Demuru, Kasatonova, Musina, ....... will definitely be much better and more adequate)))) and better for the People ....

          Bubnezh and hto if not "he is a" moon-faced Siberian crane "this is for uneducated citizens))"

          For some reason, proudly removed laughing
      3. Normal
        Normal 18 November 2013 17: 23
        +3
        Quote: pahom54
        ... defending Putin, I will ask the same question that I often ask myself: Well, let's change the leader. Question: FOR WHOM ??? All this poe..en, shouting "Down with Putin", never answered specifically:


        Well apparently I'm not
        All this song ...

        (although the pro-government think so, but what to take from them, from the wretched?) because he did not answer specifically once.
        But there is nothing to do ... for the most polite, well-mannered, attentive and generally especially gifted I repeat:
        Quote: smile
        I repeat the question- Who is the alternative to Putin?

        Yeah tired i already repeat the answer

        Well, about the names ... I can tell you not one or two.
        Putin's Companions:
        Shoigu, Lavrov, Stepashin, Ivanov. Maintaining course in the general direction and removing particularly snickering close ones.
        Governors:
        Anatoly Artamonov - Kaluga region, Evgeny Savchenko - Belgorod region. Strong business executives who have proven their professional competence and ability to manage the economy.
        Generals:
        Yuri Baluevsky, Vladimir Kolokoltsev. The completion of high-profile cases, the destruction of corruption, the planting of thieves.
        Athletes:
        Fedor Emelianenko, Nikolay Valuev. Why not? We now have a judoka as president, and a very mediocre one. And here is the Great Fighter and "The Last Emperor" with tremendous charisma, faith in his soul and tremendous authority among athletes not only in the country, but also in the world, Emelianenko. Yes, and Valuev is also not a boy, and everything (oddly enough) is all right with his head.

        Well, I think enough .... even without representatives of opponents of GDP policy and opposition.

        Specifically enough?
        1. 31231
          31231 18 November 2013 21: 34
          +1
          Shoigu ?! Personally, I see him as a good business executive. Just do not tell me how it differs from Putin ?! He won’t bring his team to power ?! So it seems that it is already replenishing the ranks of the MO with its own.
          Lavrov. No less worthy. But still the same question: What is it better?
          He also has a child who is not particularly worried about Russia.
          Kolokoltsov. Almost all articles about the police are negative for many here. Although I consider him a good and competent leader. I would also add Bastrykin here. Also a competent leader.
          Fedor Emelianenko. A wonderful person and athlete. But he is not a leader! I can bring a lot of people like you, but they are far from being controlled.

          But again the same question: why are they better than Putin?
        2. Botanologist
          Botanologist 18 November 2013 23: 09
          -2
          Quote: Normal
          Well, I think enough .... even without representatives of opponents of GDP policy and opposition.


          The criteria for your choice? Just fame? Then I am outraged why the list does not include Pugacheva, Yarmolnik, Khazanov, Petrosyan, and other no less famous personalities? Or do you think they are dumber than Valuev?
          Or do you even = hell, what to write, just to somehow answer?
          Quote: Normal
          Yuri Baluevsky, Vladimir Kolokoltsev. Fedor Emelianenko, Nikolai Valuev.
        3. Luna
          Luna 19 November 2013 00: 54
          0
          And what exactly do you know about Savchenko and Belgorod region, except for that varnished picture that is presented in the media? And what do you know about the flip side of Shoigu, his family business?
          Demura, Valuev ... Abaldet. Yes, and at Kolokoltsev, I do not see much success, except for ostentatious "hitting the tails" after.
          By the way, the person of Stepashin was considered for the presidency when they were looking for a successor, but was rejected due to softness.
        4. Xroft
          Xroft 19 November 2013 11: 38
          0
          Are you guys serious? (C) Replacing Putin with Shoigu will be a radical change in course? or just to make it easier for you? was Medvedev already better?
          Regional governors of dwarf regions (may local residents not be offended, who is not big) who needs them in Moscow?
          About the generals: Kolokoltsev is now the head of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, where is the completion of major affairs? elimination of corruption? landing thieves? Prior to that, he still headed the Moscow Ministry of Internal Affairs ....
          Athletes are already a child’s naivety .... let’s lead the country a person who does not understand what management / politics is ..... well, but did he effectively call a corrupt official on the carpet and * bury * him live? laughing laughing youth show show ....
          I understand that you want changes (like any person in this country) but they are so far from reality that their fate is to be in this forum in writing wink
      4. bunta
        bunta 18 November 2013 19: 55
        +4
        [
        Quote: pahom54
        All this poe..en shouting "Down with Putin" never answered specifically: Down with Putin, but who will replace it?

        You can consider me this very ... yu. But here is what I will tell you in return. And if God forbid Putin that ... Tomorrow morning does not wake up. Who then do you (who don’t .. offer) offer? wink I’m not so much happy with Putin’s personality as his inability to create a reliable system of state administration.
        Aerobatics management is when the system works with minimal intervention. With debugged feedback, with multiple redundancy of channels and control nodes. The hierarchical system is the most unreliable. But this is not the main thing in the matter under discussion.
        You know perfectly well the answer to the question - who, if tomorrow does not become Putin. And there will be the same nonsense that will suit those who slip it to us and no matter what his last name is. But formally in his hands will be a huge power, which he will not be able (will not give) and will not be able to use.
        Therefore, if I am against Putin, then I am for:
        - the resignation of the government and the dissolution of the State Duma,
        - A constitutional assembly that should prohibit the dictatorship of one party in parliament, restrict the rights of the president.
        - the revival of parliamentarism on the basis of the councils of deputies elected mainly on territorial and professional grounds.
        1. Botanologist
          Botanologist 18 November 2013 23: 13
          +2
          Quote: bunta
          - the resignation of the government and the dissolution of the State Duma,


          I personally insist on resignation, followed by landing. From 20 to life.

          Quote: bunta
          constitutional assembly which should prohibit the dictatorship of one party in parliament, restrict the rights of the president.
          - the revival of parliamentarism on the basis of the councils of people's deputies elected mainly on territorial and professional grounds


          And here, unfortunately, dreams request . Tell me at least one Russian parliament, which was able to take control of the country during a crisis of power?
          1. bunta
            bunta 18 November 2013 23: 52
            +3
            Quote: Botanologist
            Tell me at least one Russian parliament, which was able to take control of the country during a crisis of power?


            Zemsky assembly (Cathedral) 1613 of the year. Only thanks to his work, it was possible to restore the statehood of Russia. Within a month, the king was chosen from 15 candidates.
            They chose the young Misha Romanov with limited rights. But not for the reason that, as the school story says, such as the boyars decided to rule under the tzar as a youngster. Zemsky assembly included representatives of all classes and peasants and merchants and boyars. And for the reason that the centralized power of the king with his royal powers would interfere purely bureaucratically. And the Zemsky Assembly was not only to develop new laws but also to ensure their action by creating new state bodies. In general, read the normal literature on this subject. And then it is customary for us to limit ourselves to Minin and Pozharsky, and the real formation of the state, somehow behind the scenes.
            1. bunta
              bunta 19 November 2013 00: 14
              +1
              Here is a piece of digging:
              An important feature of the initial stage of Mikhail's reign was the continuous work of the Zemsky Sobor, which from 1613 to 1622, for 10 years, made decisions and determined the most important directions of state policy. Of particular concern to the Moscow government was an increase in overall well-being. To this end, measures were taken to provide service people with local lands and peasants. During this period there was a further enslavement of the peasantry. There was a process of development and streamlining of the tax and financial systems. In the days of Mikhail Romanov, manufacturing is gaining momentum. Mikhail Fedorovich himself patronized the construction of powder mills, greenhouses and saltpeter baskets. He regularly ordered miners, metallurgists, gunsmiths, watchmakers, jewelers and other specialists from abroad. Under him, three large ironworks were built near Tula. With the help of foreigners, weapons and iron foundries were built in the Urals. During the reign of Mikhail Fedorovich, the country's territory significantly increased due to the peaceful development of the sparsely populated areas of the North, Eastern Siberia and the Far East. "

              http://history812.narod.ru/vopros11.html
              1. bunta
                bunta 19 November 2013 08: 40
                +1
                http://radiovesti.ru/episode/show/episode_id/24056

                Here I recommend a very good interview on this topic with N. A. Narochnitskaya.

                "The people created a state betrayed by their elite ..."
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  4. Valery Neonov
    Valery Neonov 18 November 2013 08: 37
    13
    All these "pessimists", to put it mildly, should have resigned long ago; of course, led by a LADY.
    1. Galinanp
      Galinanp 18 November 2013 16: 18
      +1
      Valery Neonov (1) SU Today, 08:37 AM

      All these "pessimists", to put it mildly, should have resigned long ago; of course, led by a LADY.

      Yes, very mildly "pessimists". These are outright enemies. No longer hiding in the open, they go into confrontation with the president, in particular, on the cancellation of Medvedev's decree by Putin on the liberalization of the proceedings on tax evasion by legal entities.
  5. makarov
    makarov 18 November 2013 08: 38
    +5
    No. I do not agree about such a comparison. Putin still has all his teeth in place, and he is able to pronounce the word "SYSTEMATICALLY", and was not noticed or convicted of reading the same page twice during his report.
    1. sanyabasik
      sanyabasik 18 November 2013 09: 10
      18
      Quote: makarov
      able to pronounce the word "SYSTEMATIC"


      Everything is ahead of him, but he was about to rule 40 more smile
      1. Z.A.M.
        Z.A.M. 18 November 2013 10: 50
        +6
        Quote: sanyabasik
        Everything is ahead of him, but he was about to rule 40 more

        40 YEARS ... And what? "At the beginning of 2014, the President will be presented with a plan for the development of the Navy for 40 years," Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin told reporters. "At the beginning of next year, we will present to the President a plan for the future development of the Navy. for a period of 40 years", - said the deputy chairman of the government." wink
        So request
        That's just one of them ANSWER something will be for these "plans" ...
        But for planning something, it is possible for 1000 years ahead.

        And according to the article ... On the next branch, the issue of city-forming enterprises and the fate of such cities and ... PEOPLE are being discussed.
        Briefly - no one was going to support the enterprises on HORN, people become migrant-gaster.
        And we are talking about production -
        Quote: Canep
        Without investment in the construction of new enterprises, there will not be any significant growth.

        But who needs it now?

        True, what is interesting ... You go to the site "Made by us" - you are amazed. By their "rubbing" Russia is ahead of the whole planet ...

        Yes, and do not oppose the government and Putin - EVERYTHING IS ONE !!!
        1. Normal
          Normal 18 November 2013 18: 13
          +5
          Quote: Z.A.M.
          Yes, and there is no need to oppose the government and Putin - EVERYTHING IS ONE !!!

          To the point, Anton! We say "government" we mean "Medvedev", we say "Medvedev" we mean - "Putin"
        2. aksakal
          aksakal 18 November 2013 21: 51
          0
          Quote: Z.A.M.
          Briefly - no one was going to support the enterprises on HORN, people become migrant-gaster.
          And we are talking about production -
          - did not go to the next branch, but once a year ago I posted - like, what's the big deal if monotowns are closed, and residents of monotowns go to big cities to work on construction sites and as janitors ... And what's wrong with that? Wait, stop - aren't you here howling every branch, how did the Tajiks and Uzbeks "get" you? I’ve just put a plus for you now, but I’m wondering - on the one hand, you don’t want the Russian residents of single-industry towns to be turned into “ghasts,” on the other, you will soon push through the law in the State Duma on the right of the indigenous population to partial shooting ghasts "- immigrants from Central Asia. Would you mind explaining yourself? Keep in mind - robots of this level of technology will appear very soon.
          It's a shame, all the same - before Russia was pulling gastas from France, all these governesses-governesses considered it an honor to work in Russia, and now Russia is proud that the actor has chosen Russia as a place of permanent residence.
      2. AK-47
        AK-47 18 November 2013 11: 26
        +2
        Quote: makarov
        all teeth are still in place, and he is able to pronounce the word "SYSTEMATICALLY

        Quote: sanyabasik
        Everything is ahead of him, but he was about to rule 40 more

        But there is some elusive resemblance.
        1. Luna
          Luna 19 November 2013 01: 03
          +1
          AK-47, as they say - whose cow would moo. Lyaksandr Rygorovich has been in power for 19 years, Brezhnev has already surpassed.
    2. ivshubarin
      ivshubarin 18 November 2013 09: 20
      +8
      Brezhnev in his youth for two hours could swim in the pool
      1. Revolver
        Revolver 18 November 2013 12: 03
        +5
        Quote: ivshubarin
        Brezhnev in his youth for two hours could swim in the pool

        Well supervised, if there were also 2 hours free to swim. Stalin did not have free time. Not even enough sleep, Stalin slept for 4 hours a day. And even those feasts with excesses that the anti-Stalinists so often like to remember, Stalin used to solve issues, they just didn’t invite anyone to drink and eat to Stalin. Yes, for me, let the leader bathe in champagne and swallow eggs with spoons, if only he would do his job. By the way, Stalin himself never got drunk and ate very modestly, although he used to drink his guests to the complete loss of brakes - and maybe he did this, if he was drunk, he didn’t get to political correctness and streamlined phrases, so those invited involuntarily told the truth, even if sober they wouldn’t say anything.
        And the late Brezhnev only in spools played he rewarded himself with new orders and stars, devaluing them in the process to the level of jewelry.
        And further. No wonder they say: "big is better seen at a distance." Personally, from afar it seems to me that the GDP, for all its shortcomings, is the best leader of all who were in the USSR / RF after Stalin. Well, maybe, except for Andropov, who simply did not have enough time and health.
        1. ivshubarin
          ivshubarin 18 November 2013 12: 15
          +5
          I agree with you, but the lackeys weighed up with Brezhnev's trinkets. The personality cult attributed to Stalin with his followers blossomed even more, well, we like to bend under the "tsar"
        2. sanyabasik
          sanyabasik 18 November 2013 15: 24
          +2
          Quote: Nagan
          Well supervised, if there were also 2 hours free to swim

          2 hours for swimming with Brezhnev is for you, dear, not to dive with amphora for amphora on a submarine .. smile
        3. corn
          corn 19 November 2013 02: 11
          -2
          Do not spread the myth that Stalin slept 4 hours a day.
    3. virm
      virm 18 November 2013 10: 31
      +8
      With all the visible drawbacks of late Brezhnev, this man went through the war, participated in the post-war reconstruction of the country (albeit in a party position). He did not have to prove anything to people.
      And what can Putin bring? Work as an agent in the GDR? Work in the administration under Sobchak? In my opinion, he did not deserve special respect. Therefore, now it is cocking: either a fighter ride, then a submarine. PR man in one word.
      1. Ribwort
        Ribwort 18 November 2013 11: 30
        +9
        Quote: virm
        PR man in one word.

        As, in my opinion, the article itself. I don’t understand how such a comparison could have come to mind. I remembered a demotivator, where Brezhnev says to Putin: "Stagnation, Vova, was with me. And when you had some ... nya."
    4. Normal
      Normal 18 November 2013 18: 08
      +7
      Quote: makarov
      and was not noticed or found to have read the same page twice during the report.

      Come on! ... I was not noticed ... As the elections, the same "page" has been reading since 2000
  6. Hey
    Hey 18 November 2013 08: 41
    -2
    Interest is the math of the evil.
    Example: there was 1 enterprise, another 1 was built, it became 2, an increase of 100%, another 1 enterprise was built, a 50% increase in 2 times reduction, etc., there is a significant decrease.
    I'm not saying that everything is fine in the economy, but I do not want to listen to this verbal diarrhea.
    1. ivshubarin
      ivshubarin 18 November 2013 08: 51
      +3
      Each growth has a ceiling, but we are far from it
    2. vezunchik
      vezunchik 18 November 2013 10: 42
      +5
      I myself am a planner and 1-2% runs due to rounding. As the boss said, it will be so!
      1. Orik
        Orik 18 November 2013 11: 33
        +6
        Yes, it seems to be on paper, but it seems not. There is an independent analysis of GDP growth in 2013:
        Forecast of the Ministry of Economic Development of Russia + 1,8%
        The forecast for the volume of cargo transportation -5,0%
        Cargo turnover forecast -3,0%
        Electricity production forecast -1,4%
        http://rusrand.ru/forecast/prognoz-vvp-rossii-na-2013-god
        It turns out not even the Brezhnev USSR, where the growth rate was positive.
  7. King
    King 18 November 2013 08: 47
    +1
    The struggle for the independence of Russia has yet to be. now there are pathetic attempts.
    1. Letterksi
      Letterksi 18 November 2013 13: 50
      +5
      Nothing is happening now, except for complete surrender. Future privatization and WTO evidence of this
  8. Was mammoth
    Was mammoth 18 November 2013 08: 47
    +4
    "Vladimir Putin is actively compared with Leonid Brezhnev, drawing parallels between Brezhnev's 'stagnation' and the times of today. This idea, which is remarkable, is expressed not only in Russia, but also abroad."
    As they say today: "PR action". Brezhnev's "stagnation" is actually stability.
    1. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 18 November 2013 13: 52
      +6
      Quote: Was Mammoth
      Brezhnev's "stagnation" is actually stability.
      1. 31231
        31231 18 November 2013 17: 47
        -1
        The state provides free housing in Brezhnev’s times ?! Do not tell me which scourge was given an apartment at that time?
        My parents received thanks to three children and continuous work experience. The apartment then had to be earned.
        The opinion of Russia does not interest anyone in the world ?! Did you defend Syria against the Seven at the summit?
        1. alone
          alone 18 November 2013 20: 42
          -1
          Quote: 31231
          The state provides free housing in Brezhnev’s times ?! Do not tell me which scourge was given an apartment at that time?
          My parents received thanks to three children and continuous work experience. The apartment then had to be earned.


          but say it right. and in vain they throw cons. They just didn’t give the apartment. Yes, they gave it for free, I don’t argue. But not everyone. For this it was necessary to work hard, be in the forefront and have a good reputation in the enterprise.
          1. corn
            corn 19 November 2013 02: 14
            0
            Or be the secretary of the boss.
    2. Normal
      Normal 18 November 2013 18: 37
      +3
      Quote: There was a mammoth
      "Vladimir Putin is actively compared to Leonid Brezhnev,


      What Putin does not take away is that he is an amazing, unique ruler!
      Only Putin managed the impossible; he himself is correlated with STALIN, and his reign with Brezhnev's STagnation.
      belay fellow wassat laughing
  9. Unisonic
    Unisonic 18 November 2013 08: 49
    0
    Quote: ramsi
    Russia already simply has no choice but to completely change the crap ... of the leader and his course

    Perhaps, but to whom to change it? Is it not for Zyuganov? The problem is that there is nobody. Well, no one comes to mind. And those who are spinning - all sorts of Navalny or Kasparov or Kvachkov - so they are even worse.

    A comparison of Brezhnev with Putin is incorrect. The political elite of those years was a standard of modesty compared to the present.
    1. APES
      APES 18 November 2013 09: 23
      +5
      Quote: Unisonic
      The problem is that there is nobody


      I think it’s not a matter of personalities - it’s a matter of a socio-economic model — they don’t want to go back — build on Western patterns — it was enough to give up the mind, they haven’t come up with a new one yet — in general, they are looking for a way out (so far in vain).
    2. Vadivak
      Vadivak 18 November 2013 09: 28
      +2
      Quote: Unisonic
      Well, no one comes to mind.


      Yes, because there is one thing in modern politics.
    3. Mikado
      Mikado 18 November 2013 09: 33
      19
      It is worth opening your eyes wider, tear them off the TV and immediately see worthy people. In general, the height of stupidity is to assume that among a hundred million people there is no worthy one, only God’s GDP has been sent to us, our indispensable one.
      1. Valery Neonov
        Valery Neonov 18 November 2013 10: 43
        -2
        Announce the entire list, please. Well, please. repeat
        1. Normal
          Normal 18 November 2013 18: 41
          +1
          Quote: Valery Neonov
          Announce the entire list please. Well please

          Above on the discussion ...
          To your health ... lol
    4. Nikaviz
      Nikaviz 18 November 2013 10: 07
      14
      Kvachkova what blew here ... ??? He didn’t climb into the presidency. But he only wants to outweigh the dermocrats, traitors, and thieves ... in the streetlights ..
    5. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 18 November 2013 13: 55
      +8
      Quote: Unisonic
      Perhaps, but to whom to change it?
      1. 31231
        31231 18 November 2013 18: 06
        -1
        You yourself then enlightened your demotivator ?! But on it there is not a hint of the head of state. Svidomit can post this too.
        1. Yarosvet
          Yarosvet 18 November 2013 18: 18
          +1
          Quote: 31231
          But on it there is not a hint of the head of state.

          Wow - but I didn’t notice laughing

          And the word "ass" is suitable for different situevins and body parts, but is that really the case?
          1. 31231
            31231 18 November 2013 21: 14
            -1
            Bravo! So funny that Petrosyan nervously bites his nails.
            1. Yarosvet
              Yarosvet 18 November 2013 21: 54
              +2
              Glad you liked it.

              And you know what the catch is (if you follow your "logic")? In your "bravo" there is not a single hint that you are commenting on my answer to you.
              Svidomit can post this too
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      4. Normal
        Normal 18 November 2013 18: 48
        +5
        17075400 sq. km
        And what .... not find a single normal?


        HERE I AM! fellow fellow fellow
        1. Yarosvet
          Yarosvet 18 November 2013 19: 00
          +2
          Quote: Normal
          HERE I AM!
          good
    6. zvereok
      zvereok 18 November 2013 17: 12
      +2
      Quote: Unisonic
      Perhaps, but to whom to change it? Is it not for Zyuganov? The problem is that there is nobody. Well, no one comes to mind. And those who are spinning - all sorts of Navalny or Kasparov or Kvachkov - so they are even worse.

      A comparison of Brezhnev with Putin is incorrect. The political elite of those years was a standard of modesty compared to the present.


      Serdyukov needs to be changed!
      1. builder
        builder 18 November 2013 20: 28
        +3
        Serdyukov needs to be changed!

        I thought the same thing about it. It's time to drop false modesty and call a spade a spade.
        So:
        1. Serdyukov as president.
        2. We form the government from the management of Rusnano, Skolkovo, Oboronservis.
        3. For deputies - noble titles and serfs for food. We close the Duma as unnecessary.
        4. We cancel all taxes and replace them with a tribute (which is listed to the above gentlemen) ...
        And then the people (the servants will be called in a new way) constantly puts the president and the government in an awkward position - they constantly have to make excuses, come up with some schemes ...
    7. Walker1975
      Walker1975 18 November 2013 17: 45
      +6
      So why the problem with staff shortages? Why do talented and initiative people not go to power? Why is it believed that Putin has no one to replace? Yes, because the system is built in such a way that it removed all social elevators, i.e. if you are not from the sandbox, no one will know about you, your initiatives will not be allowed to advance, you and your business will be pressed, and finally, a criminal case will be brought against you.

      For example, suppose I am a successful young entrepreneur, I started with myself, all educated, I have ideas and even a group of like-minded people and I decided to become a measure, to make my city beautiful and happy. I am starting to do something good for the townspeople and trying to start, for example, with a deputy in the area. But ... already that I am doing something good can stop local officials from sawing. For example, I will set up benches for people in parks, and a local official decided to buy benches in the company of his son, and even at the price of a mercy for the bench. So I still solder the violation of order, illegal installation, etc. They will also force the demolition of shops at their own expense. In place of a deputy in my district there will be some son of a local EDRO officer and they simply won’t register me (I’m already silent about access to the media), and at this time they will go to my business with a subtle hint of verification: stick yourself back - everything is divided here. Well, then people like you will write that there’s no one to replace.

      In short - you want clean water to flow - first knock out the cork from the rot that clogged the conduit.
      1. brutal true
        brutal true 19 November 2013 00: 00
        -4
        Quote: Walker1975
        For example, suppose I am a successful young entrepreneur, I started with myself, all educated, I have ideas and even a group of like-minded people and I decided to become a measure, to make my city beautiful and happy. I am starting to do something good for the townspeople and trying to start, for example, with a deputy in the area. But ... already that I am doing something good can stop local officials from sawing. For example, I will set up benches for people in parks, and a local official decided to buy benches in the company of his son, and even at the price of a mercy for the bench. So I still solder the violation of order, illegal installation, etc. They will also force the demolition of shops at their own expense. In place of a deputy in my district there will be some son of a local EDRO officer and they simply won’t register me (I’m already silent about access to the media), and at this time they will go to my business with a subtle hint of verification: stick yourself back - everything is divided here. Well, then people like you will write that there’s no one to replace.

        What a dreamer. The main thing is broadcasting, as if it was really something to experience for yourself. And he himself does not even live in Russia. Everything interferes with shitty dancer, either deputies, then cops, or weather. These are the storytellers who compose fables.
  10. Sirocco
    Sirocco 18 November 2013 08: 50
    +4
    Putin and late Brezhnev are not a coat. Someone gives the desired, for the real. What would I think about with whom to compare the EU and their leaders if they allowed the legalization of the transfer in their states ????
    Excerpt from European pre-school education standards:
    (p. 19) Sexuality is a central aspect of a person’s life throughout his life and includes gender, gender identities and roles, sexual orientation, sexual instinct, pleasure, intimacy and reproduction.
    (p. 24) Every person from birth has sexuality and is forced to develop his sexual potential in one way or another.
    (p. 25) These stages of sexual development are examined in detail in order to explain the aforementioned need to begin sex education from birth.
    (p. 42) Age group from 0-4 years
    ■ a feeling of joy and pleasure from touching your own body, masturbation at an early age
    ■ examination of your own body and genitals
    ■ Enjoying physical intimacy is a normal part of everyone’s life.
    ■ tenderness and physical intimacy, as an expression of love and affection
  11. SEM
    SEM 18 November 2013 09: 00
    -3
    Who would not say anything ... There is a country of Russia, there are successes, there are failures, and Russia is rising slowly. Whoever doesn’t like let him leave or be nominated for the presidency and do better than now and then he will be able to say something there (scold), but it’s better do your job well and "don't teach a woman to cook cabbage soup" with respect SEM)))
    1. Valery Neonov
      Valery Neonov 18 November 2013 09: 14
      -1
      good There are a lot of rights to all 100, there are a lot of critics, but you just don’t hear anything constructive from them.
      1. Anatole Klim
        Anatole Klim 18 November 2013 09: 36
        12
        Quote: Valery Neonov
        , a huge number of critics

        If I do not agree with the ongoing reforms in the army, medicine, and education, I need to shout "approvals" and applaud as at the 26th Congress. GDP will be much more useful if I say "I do not agree".
        1. SEM
          SEM 18 November 2013 10: 16
          +2
          Quote: Anatole Klim
          Quote: Valery Neonov
          , a huge number of critics

          If I do not agree with the ongoing reforms in the army, medicine, and education, I need to shout "approvals" and applaud as at the 26th Congress. GDP will be much more useful if I say "I do not agree".

          And what do you propose to go to Bolotnaya with "rear-wheel drive" in an embrace or something. It is necessary to WORK and START TO MAKE CHANGES WITH YOURSELF IMPROVE. I also don't like a lot of things, but how do you want? Reforms, changes, this is always bad because they entail certain restrictions and coercion, but ultimately lead to a better result see History (although there are many negativity and failures) I WANT to say if nothing is done then nothing will change.
          1. Anatole Klim
            Anatole Klim 18 November 2013 12: 25
            +7
            Quote: SEM
            And what do you propose to go to Bolotnaya with "rear-wheel drive" in an embrace or something. It is necessary to WORK and START TO MAKE CHANGES WITH YOURSELF IMPROVE. I also don't like a lot of things, but how do you want? Reforms, changes, this is always bad because they entail certain restrictions and coercion, but ultimately lead to a better result see History (although there are many negativity and failures) I WANT to say if nothing is done then nothing will change.

            Do not attach me to the "swamp" and "rear-wheel drive", I despise them no less than you and about "WORK and BEGIN WITH YOURSELF", I gave half my life to the army and now I don't sit at home. About the reforms that "ultimately lead to a better result," I see this result from your spelling.
            I want to say if nothing is done then nothing will change.
            1. SEM
              SEM 18 November 2013 15: 10
              +2
              Dear !!! I write this way (spelling as you say) because I want to convey to you faster that it was probably not clear to you over the years of service, and to impose the power and specifically the head of state is the last thing, especially for an officer as you say you were or are. what can you improve for the country? yes here YOU? do not be angry !!! Our business is to work and work well, and I think you know better than me ... And about the "rear-wheel drive" and Swamp, if offended then Sorry! There gathered those who do not care about us at all, since they do not have their own brains, but as I already wrote, their "curators" from across the ocean CROP and "grease" with money. happy with ourselves, we must start and cleanse ourselves of vices, otherwise the children, besides ours and your groans at the leadership and the head of state, what do they see? (like this.)
              1. Anatole Klim
                Anatole Klim 18 November 2013 17: 41
                +3
                Quote: SEM
                otherwise it’s not always happy for everyone to start with oneself and one must clean oneself from vices

                Dear SEM! I perfectly understood your message about starting with oneself and working conscientiously - who would argue! I no longer notice your spelling mistakes - after all, you are in a hurry to instill in me "good, light, eternal", which I lost or did not find during my service. But why should I tolerate poor education, medicine, the collapse of the army, robbery in housing and communal services. Do you think that if I remain silent, then the corrupt and incompetent ministers will suddenly become good, the crooks and thieves will voluntarily repent and run to prison and the long-awaited happiness will come. And the thesis given below that "WHAT WOULD THE POWER WAS NOT BAD OR GOOD IT SHOULD BE RESPECTED" you can justify the most vile-fascism, by the way, in the occupied territories, in the churches opened by the Germans, this was preached.
                PS Take it not as a morality, but as good advice: "I" is written with a small letter, and "you" with a capital letter, it will come in handy in your further comments as an indicator of objective conceit.
                I write so (spelling as you say)
                1. SEM
                  SEM 18 November 2013 20: 01
                  -1
                  I noticed your good knowledge of spelling, but what's the point of your bad attitude to leadership? Or do you, as the American head, consider yourself superior and can teach our president and all ministers how to lead the country? you can’t do anything but blaspheme. This is mine everyone already understood, only your position is dead and it will lead you to the bottom and to the death of the country. It’s also not as a lesson, but as advice - I see you are an educated person and you know the spelling very well, so you’ll become a leader, or go to the deputies, and we are illiterate to support you. Or can you only scold everyone? Regards SEM.
                  1. Anatole Klim
                    Anatole Klim 18 November 2013 21: 06
                    0
                    Quote: SEM
                    here is the point of your bad attitude to leadership? Or do you, as the American head, consider yourself superior and can teach our president and all ministers how to lead the country? you can’t do anything but vilify everyone.

                    Dear SEM! Well, where do you see that I feel bad about leadership, where do I blame everyone? Do not count for work and re-read my comments, in them I argue that there should be a healthy criticism of all the negative, bad ill-conceived reforms, incompetent thieving officials and ministers, and there must be an effective fight against corruption. How can this lead to the death of the country? on the contrary, the silence of the problems undermined the Soviet Union.
                    As for going to the leaders or deputies, I gave my order, now it’s your turn to be young (I assume that you are young) and I will support you.
                    As for spelling, do not be offended, I was taught at the Soviet school and taught well, believe me, well, but you got to study in an era of change, sadly, but I think it's fixable.
                    1. SEM
                      SEM 18 November 2013 23: 28
                      0
                      Well Here))) EVERYTHING IS RISING IN ITS PLACE HURRY !!! You begin to understand me !!! I WANT FROM YOU ONLY ONE THAT YOU DO NOT SEEK THE PROBLEMS OF THEM AND SHOW EVERYWHERE, AND THANKS YOUR WISDOM AS SUCH AS ANYTHING AND I SEE GOOD AND NOTHING. ceased to reproach the authorities because it is unproductive (meaningless is easier to say) and instructed after all YOU ARE THE OLD GENERATION AND YOU WILL LOOK AT YOU and in power now YOUR GENERATION OR OVER YOURS AND YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE NOT LESS THAN OTHER FOR THIS SHOULDER !!! Well, if you didn’t understand me, at least do not hesitate to try to do my children for the best in Russia))) And by the way, you taught me in your school again your generation and draw conclusions.
            2. 31231
              31231 18 November 2013 18: 18
              -2
              Take your time for the whole army to speak ?! Maybe confine yourself to your division, part or mix?
          2. Ribwort
            Ribwort 18 November 2013 13: 16
            10
            Quote: SEM
            It is necessary to WORK and TO START WITH YOURSELF TO MAKE CHANGES IMPROVED.

            What are the right words!
            Well, here I am working diligently, annual advanced training courses (however, more necessary for the management to shift a part of the responsibility from myself) and what, did the authorities increase their salaries? Although yes. To myself.
            He never gave bribes to anyone. Is corruption gone?
            I do not violate traffic rules. Accidents disappeared?
            I do not take someone else's. Theft, as a phenomenon, ordered a long life?
            I guess that you want to object: "But if EVERYONE ..."
            Yes, there will never be EVERYONE! If there are people who work honestly, do their duty, then there will always be those in power who are ready to cash in on this. The whole question is the punishment of such people. It’s just not there. And fish, as you know ...
            1. SEM
              SEM 18 November 2013 15: 19
              0
              Quote: Ribwort
              Quote: SEM
              It is necessary to WORK and TO START WITH YOURSELF TO MAKE CHANGES IMPROVED.

              What are the right words!
              Well, here I am working diligently, annual advanced training courses (however, more necessary for the management to shift a part of the responsibility from myself) and what, did the authorities increase their salaries? Although yes. To myself.
              He never gave bribes to anyone. Is corruption gone?
              I do not violate traffic rules. Accidents disappeared?
              I do not take someone else's. Theft, as a phenomenon, ordered a long life?
              I guess that you want to object: "But if EVERYONE ..."
              Yes, there will never be EVERYONE! If there are people who work honestly, do their duty, then there will always be those in power who are ready to cash in on this. The whole question is the punishment of such people. It’s just not there. And fish, as you know ...

              AND YOU RESPOND FOR YOURSELF as you do !!! , and not for everyone who tries to do nasty things and teach children good things, otherwise some "GIRAFES" will grow up. And power is a mirror image of you and me too. In the Bible it says: (if you are interested) WHAT POWER WAS NOT BAD OR GOOD IT SHOULD BE RESPECTED. (It’s easier what kind of power God sends us.) Everyone has vices. what should be punished harshly. I would add harshly. I totally agree.
              1. Ribwort
                Ribwort 18 November 2013 16: 15
                +8
                Quote: SEM
                The Bible says: (if you are interested)

                Not interested. I'm an atheist.
                Quote: SEM
                WHAT AUTHORITY WASN'T BAD OR GOOD IT NEEDS TO RESPECT

                Strongly disagree. Serdyukov, there, also had power in the Ministry of Defense. No desire to kiss him? Exclusively in the framework of respect for power.
          3. krasavchik
            krasavchik 18 November 2013 20: 01
            +1
            It is necessary to WORK and TO START WITH YOURSELF TO MAKE CHANGES IMPROVED.

            Of course, if I take my grandmothers across the road and turn on the burned out light bulbs in the entrance, then our economy will flourish, education and medicine will become the best in the world, corruption and migrants will disappear, and rockets with satellites will stop falling into the Pacific Ocean?)
        2. Valery Neonov
          Valery Neonov 18 November 2013 11: 00
          0
          You can scream(freedom of speech), but offer something real and don't forget the "experience" of the 90s, remember. "nicely" lit the USSR, and now you are trying to find the extreme ... hi
          1. Anatole Klim
            Anatole Klim 18 November 2013 12: 54
            +6
            Quote: Valery Neonov
            but to offer something real and don't forget the "experience" of the 90s, remember.

            The "real" should be offered by competent, conscientious specialists who really care for the cause, but certainly not like Medvedev, Serdyukov, Skrynnik, Livanov ... And if I get worse from such reforms, I have the right to speak about it aloud, criticize and resent, and the authorities should listen, react and, for sure, not cover up crooks and thieves.
        3. 31231
          31231 18 November 2013 18: 14
          -2
          you say it like a doctor ?! What GDP is more useful. Or how who ?! You were the head of the region, the state ?! Or are you all the pajamas to try on an expert and not just ... ts ?! Then you are an actor, since you are playing a tragedy here.
          You, Internet experts and matrix actors, pay taxes in reality to pay all that are due and raise children.
          For example, I don’t blame Putin for one reason, I don’t know his problems closely, although I’m indignant about the Stool with his pavilion.
    2. Dangerous
      Dangerous 18 November 2013 09: 14
      -4
      The article correctly led the comparison that if everyone grows on one head, and we are only a couple of centimeters, then something is not right here, although we are growing. For a long time, presidents are no longer allowed normal candidates, only old jesters, such as Zyuganov and Zhirinovsky, or specially created liberal thugs. And about leaving ... I’m unlikely to go anywhere, but I’ll send my children to receive high-quality foreign education, and then how they decide
      1. Sirocco
        Sirocco 18 November 2013 10: 52
        12
        Quote: Dangerous
        ..I’m unlikely to go anywhere, but I’ll send my children to receive high-quality foreign education,

        Are you serious????? Where did you see quality foreign education ?????? You my friend didn’t you fall from the moon ????? Almost all major discoveries in Amer. and European science are made by very recent emigrants from the former USSR, China, and India. Are you ready for your children or grandchildren to wear such trousers ?????? I consider this to be the most important growth, and achievement, European. civilization.
        1. Kavtorang
          Kavtorang 18 November 2013 13: 06
          +7
          Quote: Sirocco
          Are you ready for your children or grandchildren to wear such trousers ??????

          SiroccoDear, do you seriously think that everything is literally like that? Gays and lesbians alone? I am only from the Pacific coast of the USA, I have been there for almost three weeks. I guarantee that if you show something somewhere in Newport or Los Angeles or San Francisco in the bars near the shipyards, you are guaranteed a violation of the integrity of the jaw. Do not cut everyone under one comb - there, too, many are very dissatisfied with the policies of their government, but unlike us, there people are not very shy in expressions and are ARMED.
          hi
          1. Sirocco
            Sirocco 18 November 2013 14: 28
            0
            Quote: Kavtorang
            there people are not very shy in expressions and are ARMED.

            You know i liked your ARMED Yes, you my friend provocateur-instigator. We did this in 1917. They overthrew the king and government and plunged the country into chaos and fratricidal war. You seem to be not a stupid person, but write nonsense in a comment designed for the younger generation. Aren't you really so naive, and you think that you are alone somewhere and see something. I will disappoint you, you are not alone. The coin has two sides, and recently in the EU and the USA, the reverse has rotted to the obverse. I want to remind you of the Revolution that you are hinting at the end of your post, Revolutions are invented by geniuses, carried out by fanatics, and villains use the fruits. I have the honor.
        2. Dangerous
          Dangerous 18 November 2013 13: 09
          0
          You can rummage around the Internet as much as you want and look for similar pictures (although I don’t know, maybe you have bookmarks on these sites), but being 3 times in Europe this year I didn’t see how old people fart at youngsters, nor how gay people suck at every step and lesbians, nor any other crap that has settled in some blind and propaganda-burned brains. But I saw cleanliness and order, mutual respect and unquestioning compliance with the law. And you put on these pants yourself, you’ll suddenly like it
      2. Valery Neonov
        Valery Neonov 18 November 2013 11: 48
        +3
        Do not consider it an insult, but you are dangerous for RUSSIA. hi
        1. Dangerous
          Dangerous 18 November 2013 13: 12
          -1
          Yes, somehow violet, to be honest
    3. SEM
      SEM 18 November 2013 10: 42
      0
      It is interesting if for those who bet - minus to give a steering wheel from the country what can you steer? Do you succeed? Think about this before you say that everything is bad with us. (Yes, Liberasts and dermacrates expect this from you so that you would be completely dissatisfied with everything) if you do not understand, but you need to think about it. And to build our country as we need, and not as crowing from the other end of the planet ...
    4. Letterksi
      Letterksi 18 November 2013 13: 55
      -1
      Will it rise itself? Without you? Those. the next "president" will rise. The one who will never be admitted to the elections without you? Browse the net, you will find many useful suggestions on how to do this.
  12. optimist
    optimist 18 November 2013 09: 16
    22
    There is an objective and natural process: the existing economic system has completely exhausted its resource. The situation is reminiscent of "12 chairs" by Ilf and Petrov: only instead of funeral homes and hairdressing salons, there are only shops and taverns around, and on a national scale. Putler and who will reach "stability" to "limpiyada": about what will happen next, somehow I don't want to think ...
    1. Letterksi
      Letterksi 18 November 2013 14: 03
      +2
      exactly. After the citizenship of the country from 22-40. for 18 years, they raised, electrified, built the industry. And then we won the Second World War. And this one has been "fighting" for independence for 13 years already (according to E. Fedorov), destroying everything that has survived before him
  13. APES
    APES 18 November 2013 09: 18
    +8
    Quote: Canep
    There are generally very few engineering enterprises.


    Not only there, production and engineering in particular are seriously destroyed - this is no more than 30% of what was in the USSR. And investments alone are not enough - more personnel are required (engineering and technical personnel) - they are already worth their weight in gold.
  14. Metlik
    Metlik 18 November 2013 09: 33
    15
    Indeed, Brezhnevsky and Putin's stagnation are very similar:
    1) Unsinkable officials who remain in their places regardless of successes and failures.
    2) Strangulation of entrepreneurs not related to the system.
    3) The country sits on an oil needle, but if before all the revenues went to the state, now they flow abroad.
    4) Huge amounts of money are spent on military spending. At the same time, the country's economic, technological, and social backwardness are ignored.
    5) Political allies are bought by economic assistance, while central Russia continues to live on the brink of poverty.
    Nothing changed.
    1. Mikado
      Mikado 18 November 2013 10: 28
      +6
      On the third point, everything is much more interesting. Dimka Medvedev hangs people on the ears, saying that "it's not us" who put Russia on the oil needle, it was done in the USSR, comparing Russia and the Union. And if he compared the economies of the RSFSR and Russia, he would immediately go into a puddle. And if you look at the same Union, they were on a needle, but not like now.
    2. Bongo
      Bongo 18 November 2013 10: 40
      +2
      Why so? Much has changed, Brezhnev did not hesitate to bring Churbanov to court, although the damage from his activity in comparison with the Taburetkin is frankly ridiculous.
      1. Orik
        Orik 18 November 2013 11: 56
        +4
        A connoisseur however ... Churbanov was arrested in 1987 with a hunchback.
        1. Bongo
          Bongo 18 November 2013 12: 40
          +1
          Yes indeed. For some reason I thought that he had been given away earlier. I'm sorry. hi
        2. Vityok
          Vityok 18 November 2013 16: 44
          +2
          Churbanov was arrested under Andropov
    3. Walker1975
      Walker1975 18 November 2013 15: 23
      +4
      All the same, there are changes - the development of infrastructure under Brezhnev was less, and the level of education and the number of scientists in the USSR was higher.
      And yet ... the number of officials in the Russian Federation is now MORE than in the entire USSR
  15. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
    Andrei from Chelyabinsk 18 November 2013 09: 36
    +8
    In essence, the problem is that the authorities have not demonstrated the ability to somehow stimulate the development of domestic industry. Alas, for the most part, our opportunities (the existing budget surpluses) go either to the social sector (which is of paramount importance, I really support the same maternity capital) or (and alas, in gigantic volumes) to populist "whistles" like the Olympics in Sochi, or And at all on deliberately delusional drank-objects (skolkovo, rosnano) - this is the part that remains in the Russian Federation, and is not invested in American papers. Why did I not include Sochi in the same row? Well, from Sochi there will be at least some kind of exhaust (Olympics), but from Skolkovo and Rosnano, and that is not to be expected.
    The only more or less serious incentive for our industry is a rearmament program. But that is not enough.
    Regarding industry, our authorities, alas, have taken the position "let it grow itself somehow"
  16. optimist
    optimist 18 November 2013 09: 42
    18
    A long time ago, it's time to understand a simple thing: gdp is ebn-2. The only difference is that he has a good "hanging tongue", he can fly with Siberian Cranes and dive for amphoras + a kind of humor. And since the 90s, practically nothing has changed. Unless the plebs can afford foreign credit cars and travel to Turkey. Yes, and these "charms" seem to end soon ...
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 18 November 2013 09: 45
      +3
      Quote: optimist
      optimist

      Before reading the demo, you should read it, otherwise you will see that Navalny himself printed it or the student passed it perfectly.
      1. GELEZNII_KAPUT
        GELEZNII_KAPUT 18 November 2013 10: 20
        +2
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Before reading the demo, you should read it, otherwise you will see that Navalny himself printed it or the student passed it perfectly.

        There are certainly wild excesses there, but the essence is correct.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 18 November 2013 10: 28
          +2
          Quote: GELEZNII_KAPUT
          There are certainly wild excesses there, but the essence is correct.

          Could put a more suitable picture.
          1. GELEZNII_KAPUT
            GELEZNII_KAPUT 18 November 2013 11: 21
            0
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Could put a more suitable picture.

            I agree.
          2. optimist
            optimist 18 November 2013 11: 40
            +3
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Could put a more suitable picture.

            I am pleased to give you the opportunity to correct this "gap"! Well, it’s not worth mentioning bulk “in vain”: I personally hate him as much as the GDP and its Caudla ...
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 18 November 2013 12: 55
              +2
              Quote: optimist
              to me personally, he is as hateful as the gdp and his codel ...

              Are you really optimistic laughing
      2. kotvov
        kotvov 18 November 2013 10: 26
        +7
        why don’t you like the demo? all that is written there is true, and where does the ecoge or is it a failed project?
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 18 November 2013 10: 29
          +3
          Quote: kotvov
          because all that is written there is true,

          Well, let's go through the list, let's bet what is true and what is not.
          1. Timeout
            Timeout 18 November 2013 10: 51
            +2
            According to Brezhnev, only 4 points are incorrect. Putin has 8 — no one is afraid anymore, 9 — they simply distort.
        2. GELEZNII_KAPUT
          GELEZNII_KAPUT 18 November 2013 11: 22
          +1
          Quote: kotvov
          why don’t you like the demo? all that is written there is true, and where does the ecoge or is it a failed project?

          200000 thousand per square meter is clearly not adequate!))
          1. Timeout
            Timeout 18 November 2013 11: 32
            +3
            6000 bucks isn't it real? Even in our dark cockroach, 100000 per square meter is not even very expensive if in the South.
            1. GELEZNII_KAPUT
              GELEZNII_KAPUT 18 November 2013 13: 51
              +2
              Quote: Timeout
              6000 bucks isn't it real? Even in our dark cockroach, 100000 per square meter is not even very expensive if in the South.

              We have here in Barnaul in October 48 783 rubles. per sq.m .; and where is your average price tag? what
              1. Timeout
                Timeout 18 November 2013 14: 04
                +6
                Yuzhno-Sakhalinsk city, Sakhalin region 2-room apartment 40sq.m in the center 4200000 rub! That announcement has already been erased, here is another:


                1. GELEZNII_KAPUT
                  GELEZNII_KAPUT 18 November 2013 15: 19
                  +2
                  Quote: Timeout
                  Yuzhno-Sakhalinsk city, Sakhalin region 2-room apartment 40sq.m in the center 4200000 rub!

                  The price tags you got there, I bought a brother-in-law for 2100000, also a decent repair, boron in 5 minutes. You probably have price tags because of geography. hi
                  1. Timeout
                    Timeout 18 November 2013 15: 41
                    +3
                    Why is the salary the same as on the mainland, and the prices are at least 3 times higher. At the end of the 20th century, a 2-bedroom could be bought for 2000 bucks. And then wild capitalism came along with pen * dos and oil and gas projects, and prices rushed up.
  17. Neighbor
    Neighbor 18 November 2013 09: 47
    14
    Brezhnev’s Olympics were held without insanity. And now there was still no Olympics, but with torches it was complete insanity. !!!
    1. Timeout
      Timeout 18 November 2013 10: 26
      +8
      Quote: Neighbor
      Brezhnev’s Olympics were held without insanity. And now there was still no Olympics, but with torches it was complete insanity. !!!

      I’m supporting that an athlete with a cigarette lighter from Gazprom runs around the city, spending 10 million rubles, declaring a day off in schools and budget enterprises, and expelling workers and schoolchildren to voluntarily forcibly meet a police and FSB motorcade. Because of which no one really saw the runner ... At the same time, public transport was completely paralyzed in the city. And they showed how zomboyaschik everyone was happy that they saw the fire, in short a complete mess!
  18. Nikaviz
    Nikaviz 18 November 2013 09: 50
    33
    The reason ... one is CORRUPTION PERFORMED .... and the betrayal of the interests of the state ... AND THERE IS NECESSARY THERE ....
  19. Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 18 November 2013 10: 06
    +7
    Yes, no one, except for the aforementioned liberal henchman and does not compare. Such an alignment is akin to the famous "soft with warm". fool
    One thing is obvious, the liberals, they are neo-Darwinists, drove Russia (and not only) to a clear place. angry
  20. Sergg
    Sergg 18 November 2013 10: 09
    +3
    International trade is tied to the dollar, so Russia may need dollar reserves.
    But on the other hand, holding reserves in gold is without a doubt more reliable.
    In addition, it is important to have a strong economy and army; this is also a very profitable investment.
    And yet, foreign exchange reserves are stored in American securities, the price of which is already a penny, that is, money they don’t just lie, they are always at work, and in the event of a large-scale crisis, securities depreciate and, together with them, Russian money. Why the Russian economy works for the US Federal Reserve, apparently that's why Russia is called a colony, and the Kremlin is the colonial administration appointed by the United States. I don’t know how much you can agree with this. But it’s a shame for the state.
    1. Timeout
      Timeout 18 November 2013 10: 35
      +2
      Quote: Sergg
      International trade tied to the dollar

      Dear, for some reason, the EU is conducting settlements with the Pen * dostan and other countries in euros, lemongrass in pounds! Russia can trade gas and oil for rubles, only our government does not need it, it will be more difficult to steal.
      1. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker 18 November 2013 10: 52
        +3
        Quote: Timeout
        Russia can trade gas and oil for rubles

        Who needs this ruble?
        1. Timeout
          Timeout 18 November 2013 11: 10
          +4
          Quote: stalkerwalker
          Who needs this ruble?

          In this case, why hold on to the statehood of Russia? To rent to tolerant democrats and live with a dollar with a euro ... Living in Russia, respect the national currency! And then later they shout at the swamps all kinds of bulk while receiving a salary in hard currency, that they turned Russia into an appendage, etc. Our nouveau riche, together with the guarantor, are happy to sell the country together with the population at once, well, it just does not work out yet.
          1. stalkerwalker
            stalkerwalker 18 November 2013 11: 45
            +3
            Quote: Timeout
            Quote: stalkerwalker
            Who needs this ruble?
            In this case, why hold on to the statehood of Russia?

            So the ruble has nothing to do with it.
            Not a single oil producing country trades in oil / gas in its own currency.
            1. Timeout
              Timeout 18 November 2013 12: 03
              +2
              And who told you that? Read the charter of OPEC, each country trades in its own currency, if it is converted on the world market.
  21. krasavchik
    krasavchik 18 November 2013 10: 11
    +4
    Suddenly, the economy stopped) apparently you can’t just suck oil all the time) together with the new industrialization, stupid one-time cattle catchers arrange just for the sake of dough ...
  22. Chicot 1
    Chicot 1 18 November 2013 10: 15
    +7
    Do not insult Leonid Ilyich with such a comparison! ..
    1. Dimon-chik-79
      Dimon-chik-79 18 November 2013 12: 01
      +2
      It all started with him! Such a potential was ruined! They planted the country on a raw material needle, ditched agriculture and industry! They released a lot of things, but all this was achieved at an incredible price and a lot of things were long outdated. The state machine has become cumbersome, not agile and without initiative ...
      And most importantly, here you can really draw parallels with today's day, this is a crisis of power at almost all its levels. Places were occupied not by the principles of professionalism in the field of activity, but by nepotism. In the country, officials and other officials did not have any incentive or motivation for decent work ...
  23. Kavtorang
    Kavtorang 18 November 2013 10: 24
    +4
    Quote: Canep
    Without investment in the construction of new enterprises, there will not be any significant growth. In the Far East or Siberia, it is necessary to build a large automobile plant jointly by the Japanese or Koreans, so that people would not buy Japanese right-handed cars.

    Dear, he has been working on it for several years now. SOLLERS is called, only almost all of its products go to the European part of the Russian Federation, due to the fact that a citizen Yakunin (this is Russian Railways, if anything) was told: to stand-be afraid and give preference to the tariffs for the transportation of this outright shit. In the city of Vladivostok in particular, in the Primorsky Territory in general, you will not find the production of this govnotaz during the day with fire on the roads. Everything is here: from federal structures and the regional administration to ordinary citizens, imported Japanese and Koreans are taken.
    Mystery, huh? People vote in rubles, not a bad version of patriotism.
    IMHO.
  24. pahom54
    pahom54 18 November 2013 10: 26
    +5
    Guys, no matter how much we argue, the essence remains one - in power there are people who think about their fraud. Without our industry and agriculture, we will never raise our economy, and talking about some kind of rise in GDP is simply ridiculous and verbiage.
    But ALL is also impossible to blame indiscriminately. For example, you need the Tula region - in many areas of the field have long been overgrown not only with birches, but also with thickets of thickets. However, there are areas where the fields are cultivated normally, and a good crop is taken from them. So, somewhere there is a master, but somewhere he simply does not exist.
    Or look on the Internet - on industrial issues, the Tula region is far from leading among other regions, and this is with the powerful not only defense, but also other industries that existed during the USSR. And the collapse of the region’s economy has gone since the notorious Vasily Starodubtsev, Hero of Socialist Labor, was the governor (it’s still not known which one appeared among the members of the State Emergency Committee at the time). Here is just a comparison - he was a good chairman of the collective farm - he got the governor - here the power has changed, but it is worthless to throw it out of the clip - and he will be replaced by the governor (well, almost like Lukashenko). BUT every person has a growth limit, and a good chairman will not always be a good governor.
    Well, after Starodubtsev came another, who, despite his high position, had to be imprisoned for 9,5 years for embezzlement. Only the question of the reliable reason for the landing is covered in darkness - either - did not share, or something else ...
    Compared with the Tula region, there are regions that live better, and not because there are oil and gas reserves on their territory (all the same, the proceeds from them do not go to the regional budget) - and this suggests that there are still normal bosses on the Russian land.
    So it turns out that we are all dwelling on the personnel issue - who is leading us ??? From the president to the local princes? After all, the president, in fact, is a hired (selected) manager who was entrusted with the government. And until he acts as the creator of the Singapore miracle - he doesn’t transplant his friends and comrades (well, at first, I recommend the first to plant Chubais without the right of pardon), then there will be no sense.
    It seems to me ridiculous to compare Brezhnev and Putin, people are too different, situations are too different. Let foreign analysts-morons do this, we all have a problem - the search for a leader who will be able to toughly break the existing system of political and economic power and structure. And I'm afraid that blood will not be enough here, and this is already an undesirable element. But it is also impossible to allow "color" revolutions, the harm from them will be no less than from the civil war - Russia will simply disappear from the world map as a state worthy of respect.
    1. Kavtorang
      Kavtorang 18 November 2013 10: 47
      +1
      Quote: pahom54
      BUT every person has a growth limit, and a good chairman will not always be a good governor.

      Speaking of Lukashenko wink I’m already in the third year in some charm, after only 30 days there, with Vileyka very close, and I have bookmarked Belarusian sites and in general terms about what is happening in Belarus - I am aware.
      Quote: pahom54
      It seems ridiculous to compare Brezhnev and Putin

      Why do you think so? Personally, his stupid chatter about anything, not backed up by any real actions - is already specifically annoying.
      Quote: pahom54
      And I'm afraid that blood will not be enough here, and this is already an undesirable element. But it is also impossible to allow "color" revolutions, the harm from them will be no less than from the civil war - Russia will simply disappear from the world map as a state worthy of respect.

      Keeping the status quo? The current national leader is not so hot, but the next one could be even worse?
      1. pahom54
        pahom54 18 November 2013 11: 34
        +1
        For Kavtoranga
        I already wrote to them above and asked ramsi, now I ask a question TO YOU: WHO YOU - PERSONALLY YOU - SEE ON THE PLACE OF PUTIN ??? You can blame me for maintaining the status quo like: my hut is on the edge, I don’t know anything. However, I live in the same country as you, with common problems.
        And about the fact that I’m afraid that the next leader will be even worse ... Yes, I’m not only afraid, but also sure. This is purely my personal subjective opinion.
        Well, about Father Lukashenko, I agree with you in some ways, but not in some ways. He is a good manager of a link of the level that he got, and I treat him with due reverence, largely noting his positive aspects, unlike Putin. BUT, just as Putin can’t be compared with Brezhnev, you can’t be compared with Lukashenko either — NOT THE SCALE AND ONE AND ONE OTHER CASE !!!
        1. Kavtorang
          Kavtorang 18 November 2013 12: 41
          +4
          Quote: pahom54
          Now I ask a question TO YOU: WHO YOU - PERSONALLY YOU - SEE ON THE PLACE OF PUTIN ??? You can blame me for maintaining the status quo like: my hut is on the edge, I don’t know anything. However, I live in the same country as you, with common problems.
          And about the fact that I’m afraid that the next leader will be even worse ... Yes, I’m not only afraid, but also sure. This is purely my personal subjective opinion.

          Why not you or me? The king is made by the retinue - isn't it? Unfortunately, I don't have Nicolo Machiavelli at hand right now to give you an exact quote from The Sovereign. Well, here's one of the extreme masterpieces (intended for Zhirinovsky), in a somewhat simplified and flattened form: don't rock the galley, the rower is tired! wink
          1. pahom54
            pahom54 18 November 2013 16: 02
            0
            for Kavtoranga
            Yes, the retinue makes the king. So it turns out that our rulers then are puppets - everywhere they are followed by a retinue (more precisely - they follow where the retinue orders).
            Well, why are you and me not? YOU - please, if you wish, but I do not want to live under the control and under the supervision of a microscope.
            In fact, I am a little surprised: if I don’t bark at Putin like an evil dog, then I’m almost his supporter.
            According to the results of this article, I was just trying to show that these people are too disparate - Brezhnev and Putin. At least for the reason that the late Brezhnev was a 100% controlled (by whom ??? !!!) puppet, and the GDP was twitching something, trying to prove something to someone. And, let's say, that I began to rearm the army to the detriment of social issues, I do not charge him with the level of state crime.
            In general, the essence of my thoughts boils down to the following: why are we all trying to prove that GDP is the main thing? If we approach it in a normal way, then not a single person in any state - I mean, those who have broken through to power, to great power - by definition, cannot be a normal person who is supposedly happy for the good of the people. They do not break into power, they bring them, they put them - and then they support or do not support. And the fact that we bark here and prove something to each other is all tinsel.
            His retinue brought to power - retinue and dictates the conditions of his life.
            So I wondered: well, throw it off, and then what ??? The same thing will come if, as I said, no worse ...
  25. stalkerwalker
    stalkerwalker 18 November 2013 10: 34
    +4
    The title of the article, perhaps controversial ...
    To find analogues of the past in the modern world is not so difficult.
    And you can, for example, safely say that Russia and Nigeria are sisters, only in different colors laughing , judging by the level of corruption and the main source of state revenue.
  26. Bosk
    Bosk 18 November 2013 10: 35
    -4
    For me, old Putin is better than young Yeltsin or Gorbi!
    1. Letterksi
      Letterksi 18 November 2013 14: 12
      +3
      Radish horseradish is not sweeter. They are not shows on TV, as many people think, they strongly affect our lives.
      1. Bosk
        Bosk 18 November 2013 16: 52
        -1
        Sweeter as sweeter, examples in the recent past are available.
  27. Eugeniy_369
    Eugeniy_369 18 November 2013 10: 39
    0
    As I understand it, the author parses Putin’s comparison with Brezhnev on economic indicators. I do not think that this is correct, then the economy of the USSR and then Russia now can not be compared.
    PS And in terms of the amount of time in power, it was weak to make a comparative analysis repeat ?
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  29. morpogr
    morpogr 18 November 2013 10: 50
    -3
    The good news is that we do not put eggs in one basket. There is now an oil pipeline to the west and east. We sell gas to Europe and Japan, China, we are negotiating with Vietnam and Korea. There are already those who want to modernize the BAM and ports of the Far East, as well as the road. work along the Northern Sea Route and China has already understood the benefits of this route. If we find a balance between west and east and begin real modernization, there will be a growth in GDP.
    1. ivshubarin
      ivshubarin 18 November 2013 11: 03
      0
      BAM is already being upgraded, work is underway
      1. Bongo
        Bongo 18 November 2013 11: 07
        +6
        Have you personally seen this? Yes, new tunnels and terminals in ports are being built. But the villages along the BAM were practically deserted, the people were leaving the Far East.
        1. ivshubarin
          ivshubarin 18 November 2013 11: 10
          0
          We threw the second BAM branch near Pivani and continue to Sov-Gavan
          1. Bongo
            Bongo 18 November 2013 11: 14
            +6
            Yes, I know, I myself am from Komsomolsk))) You drive in the direction of Urgal, see what remains of the villages. And I think you know the situation with migration in our city.
            The article about Komsomolsk:
            http://topwar.ru/index.php?newsid=35658
            1. ivshubarin
              ivshubarin 18 November 2013 11: 45
              +4
              I visited Urgal, I can say the same about the lower reaches of the Amur River, where there is not light in every village, and Medvedev speaks about the Internet in every house
              1. Bongo
                Bongo 18 November 2013 12: 01
                +5
                Thats exactly what I mean. And how many localities disappeared altogether ?. In Komsomolsk, at least there are no abandoned houses in Amursk.
                1. ivshubarin
                  ivshubarin 18 November 2013 12: 20
                  +1
                  There are no abandoned houses, but all the first floors went into shops. n Mago who was a major port on the Amur will no longer recover after the flood
  30. Dimon-chik-79
    Dimon-chik-79 18 November 2013 10: 53
    +5
    Quote: pahom54
    So it turns out that we are all dwelling on the personnel issue - who is leading us ??? From the president to the local princes? After all, the president, in fact, is a hired (selected) manager, who was entrusted with the government. And until he acts as the creator of the Singapore miracle, he does not transplant his friends and comrades.

    It turns out that the existing system of power will begin to destroy itself (Raven, Raven)? Who has been on trial lately from the top? Maybe Mr. S or Mrs. G? Or has anyone else left the team? As they mowed and continue to mow! Impudently and without punishment, only "scapegoats" go to the expense and that is rare. There is only rotation of the same persons from place to place. And no healthy competition. In such an environment that can induce this team to defend the interests of the country and its population. After all, their places are not in danger. So why be happy? And some words, some promises and single demonstrative actions that do not have any effect on the whole picture!
    1. Walker1975
      Walker1975 18 November 2013 15: 35
      +3
      The most chic was, it seems, in medicine, when the minister was removed and appointed to the department investigating the abuse in the min.
  31. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 18 November 2013 10: 57
    +8
    Compare the leader of the most powerful superpower Leonid Brezhnev, when the USSR was an indisputable authority, Soviet troops were stationed in Germany, space exploration was in progress, I will not even list it any more, with the modern Race headed by the "Grand Duke" who received a label from the United States to rule Putler? When the country has no credibility, the army is in a deplorable state, there is no work, there is a dominance of "dancers" and guest workers everywhere, planes fall as if they were being beaten from the Stingers like in Afghanistan, I generally keep quiet about space, everything is already there, they flew away, what to compare Brezhnev many times wanted to leave power, when he felt that he was sick and no longer "pulled", but the nomenclature did not give him. How can you compare them at all, at least tell me the parameters. By the way, when you come to the administration with any initiative you come across an impenetrable brick wall of bureaucratic stupidity and inertia. Words like "Not Putin, then who?" I think they are stupid, because Putler and the Party of "Crooks and Thieves" specially created such conditions that any initiative simply drowns in the swamp of the bureaucracy, what should an ordinary person do? I even begin to understand the old SS who threw bombs at kings, ministers and other dignitaries, because that there was the same suffocating atmosphere of inertia and deaf bureaucracy, which could only be reached with a stick of dynamite. Putler is apparently waiting for something similar, another year of similar conditions and new Savinkovs and co. will appear in Russia. They will again take money for The West, and he will gladly give money for this, is sadly shorter.
  32. 31231
    31231 18 November 2013 11: 04
    +2
    Well, finally, Alexey mentioned the global GDP growth. Already happy. And then the last time wrote a one-sided article.
    The only thing I would like to note is that it is too early to listen to Siluyanovs and other specialists. Even the beginning of winter is ahead, and there the demand for energy will increase. So we will see, not force.
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  34. Sharp
    Sharp 18 November 2013 11: 31
    +2
    Video in the subject.
  35. olviko
    olviko 18 November 2013 12: 02
    +2
    Everything goes as it should. The liberal project has replaced the failed communist project. The liberals advocated the direct exploitation of Russia's resources by external forces, the total privatization of the remnants of national wealth and the surrender of national sovereignty, with the transfer of nuclear weapons to the West - the only argument that would save Russia from direct invasion. This is a variant of “Upper Volta without nuclear missiles.” The liberal rule during the “dashing nineties” was a time of monstrous sacking and degradation of the country. The rejection of Russia on civilizational grounds and the pre-prepared fate as a “raw materials appendage” in carrying out reforms with the help of American “specialists”, the mental limitedness and commitment of the “young reformers” led the country to the “choice of compradorism” prepared for us by the “world community”. the liberals came with the “Putin regime” representing “national compradors” - a livelihood between Russian resources and the same external forces. All the contradictions between the “liberals” and the “Putin regime” are nothing more than an intraspecific struggle between parasites practicing capitalist way to make a profit.
    - there is a complete binding of the state to external world structures, the resources for the survival of the regime are drawn from external support and external recognition;
    - an authoritarian principle of power based on a specific personality is implemented; the population is not tied into universality, giving it the opportunity to "spin in a free state", if only it would not interfere in the affairs of the authorities;
    - there is a game on opposing the lifestyle of 10% who joined the "world civilized" and 90% who did not join the "civilization"; the authoritarian technique of power is designed to keep society in such a tense imbalance, delaying the explosion as much as possible;
    - an imminent social explosion will mean external intervention and the collapse of the country.
    While the world capitalist system was in a relatively calm situation, implementing the policy of "financial colonialism", the global oligarchy suffered "national compradors." Therefore, within the country between the "liberals" and the "national compradors" there was a symbiosis of parasites. “Stability” consisted in the fact that the power of the compradors frightened citizens with the threat of the Orange Revolution, and the “liberals” squealed about the fight against totalitarianism, issuing grants from foreign sponsors. Everyone was quite happy with the "balance of power", without going over to active actions, although the authorities could calm down the "fifth column" by completely democratic methods. But the regime of "national compradors" was not fundamentally ready for this - since the entire "Roselita" holds its capital "taken out by overwork" in the West. Their children study and live there, their real estate is located. They see Russia only as a place for pumping out resources. When the global capitalist economy began to crash, the West decided to eliminate the "national-comprador laying" between the "golden billion" and the resources of the colonies.
    Liberals began to squeal more actively about the "illegitimacy of the thieves' regime", "national compradors" to raise the masses to save themselves, loved ones, exploiting the 1996 "wiring" - "vote or lose." Today, instead of the “communist revenge” bugbear, anti-Americanism is used. The masses, wishing for a better share, who came out in protest against the policy that drove Russia into third world countries, began to rush between rallies: on the one hand, protesting against the abominable thieves-compradors, on the other hand - suppressing gag reflexes from one kind of liberals, who openly call for to external management.
    Well, we will wait for the development of events.
  36. Cosmos-1869
    Cosmos-1869 18 November 2013 12: 29
    +1
    I heard that the communists say: "If in the 80s oil prices were as they are now, already in the 90s the USSR would have lived under communism."
  37. Dimon-chik-79
    Dimon-chik-79 18 November 2013 12: 52
    +1
    Quote: pahom54
    I already wrote to them above and asked ramsi, now I ask a question TO YOU: WHO YOU - PERSONALLY YOU - SEE ON THE PLACE OF PUTIN ???

    And here is another similarity with the Brezhnev era is that political competition was not allowed under any circumstances, which led to the degradation of power, with all the negative consequences so characteristic of this phenomenon! Which in the end resulted in the fact that in a mournful hour Leonid Ilyich simply did not have more or less worthy receivers. And after a series of short reigns of the Kremlin elders who were simply unsuitable (even for health) for the post of top officials, the country received the well-known Mikhail Sergeyevich Gorbachev as a complete layman who ruined the country for an ode to the five-year plan, which led to a catastrophe of the century with millions of dead and crippled fates.
  38. Kibalchish
    Kibalchish 18 November 2013 13: 24
    11
    And another topic on economics
    1. Kavtorang
      Kavtorang 18 November 2013 13: 38
      +5
      Credit!
      Reminded of the average temperature in the hospital wink
    2. Walker1975
      Walker1975 18 November 2013 15: 38
      +4
      There was a joke in the subject - if Abramovich takes a tram, then on average each passenger of a tram will become a millionaire.
      1. alone
        alone 18 November 2013 20: 51
        0
        another joke

        the teacher asks: -Anna, if your neighbor ate a whole chicken for dinner, but you fell asleep hungry, what does this mean? -Nothing Maria Sergeyevna, the neighbor fell asleep full, and I'm hungry!
        no, Annushka! this means that on average you and your neighbor ate half a chicken together !!
  39. ramsi
    ramsi 18 November 2013 15: 17
    +1
    Quote: pahom54
    for ramsi
    On the one hand, the thought is correct ... And on the other, without defending Putin, I will ask the same question that I often ask myself: Well, we will change the leader. Question: FOR WHOM ??? All this poe..en shouting "Down with Putin" never answered specifically: Down with Putin, but who will replace it? Is Grisha Yavlinsky a chatterbox? Misha Prokhorov? Or, even more so, the court clown Zhirinovsky?
    So I ask you a question (I repeat) without protecting Putin at all) - WHO WOULD YOU PERSONALLY WANT NOW TO SEE AT ITS PLACE? Do not say that those who benefit the Motherland, the Fatherland, Russia are all words. Who exactly ??? !!!

    The question is not idle and the choice is not rich - the least compromised was Lukashenko, this is from a political point of view; well, with the practical one - for all its limitations in maneuver - it would be clearly better than Putin
  40. Kavtorang
    Kavtorang 18 November 2013 15: 31
    +3
    Quote: Timeout
    Yuzhno-Sakhalinsk city, Sakhalin region 2-room apartment 40sq.m in the center 4200000 rub! That announcement has already been erased, here is another:



    Phi crying . You shouldn’t even take a steam bath wink
    Snowfall - Vladivostok - one-room, non-standard layout - 41,6 m - 4,400,000 - per year.
    1. Timeout
      Timeout 19 November 2013 09: 48
      0
      Southern - the population of 190,2 thousand people. Vladivostok - the population is 600 thousand people, the population of the Sakhalin Region is only 493 302 thousand people, well, now find a city in Russia with as many people as in the South and compare housing prices. Even in the South, hot water is only in winter and the city is not gasified.
  41. DZ_98_B
    DZ_98_B 18 November 2013 16: 23
    +2
    Maybe I'm wrong, but comparing Putin and Brezhnev .... it seems to me wrong. In the 70s, a great, even huge scientific and technical potential was accumulating. It seems to me that our country still uses the technology, technical and scientific developments and developments of those, namely, the BREZHNEVSKY years !!! In the 70s, many factories stopped producing military products and replaced them with consumer goods. As a result, a decrease in product prices and a decrease in GDP. Well, for example, take such a household machine as an electric drill or hammer, machines are complicated but the price is now from 1000 rubles. And let’s take, let’s say the revolver of the Nagant system, you know what price? In the 70s, KamAZs, VAZs, MAZs, cars of the current configuration, which you see today on our roads ... among foreign cars, were created or were being created. I don’t remember exactly the 200 or 201 electronics calculator at the level of world samples. Now what? Putin wants to keep the result !!! ??? !!! ??? Yes !!! he saves his kents !!!!! He saves his wealth. no more. sorry, but it seems to me.
    1. Orik
      Orik 18 November 2013 17: 44
      +1
      Brezhnev is a good man, kind, but not the first person of the state. Most of Brezhnev’s achievements rested on a Stalinist base. Take a look:
      The fourth technological mode of 1930-1970, based on the further development of energy using oil and oil products, gas, communications, new synthetic materials. This is the era of the mass production of cars, tractors, airplanes, various types of weapons, and consumer goods. Computers and software products for them, radars, appeared and spread widely. The atom is used for military and then for peaceful purposes. Mass production based on conveyor technology.
      The core of the technological structure:
      automotive industry
      tractor engineering
      non-ferrous metallurgy
      production of durable goods
      synthetic materials
      organic chemistry
      oil production and refining.
      Key factor: internal combustion engine, petrochemicals.
      The advantage of the technological structure compared to the previous one is mass and mass production.

      The fifth technological mode of 1970–2010 is based on achievements in the field of microelectronics, computer science, biotechnology, genetic engineering, new types of energy, materials, space exploration, satellite communications, etc. A transition is taking place from disparate firms to a single network of large and small companies connected by an electronic network based on the Internet, closely cooperating in the field of technology, product quality control, innovation planning.
      The core of the technological structure:
      electronic industry
      Computer Engineering
      fiber optic technology
      software
      Telecommunications
      robot building
      gas production and processing
      information Technology.
      The key factor is microelectronic components.
      The advantage of the technological structure, in comparison with the previous one, was in the individualization of production and consumption, in increasing the flexibility of production.

      In microelectronics, we were far from the leaders; there was no production flexibility. Although the initial conditions for Brezhnev and Stalin are not comparable.
      1. Walker1975
        Walker1975 18 November 2013 19: 22
        0
        Quote: Orik
        The fifth technological mode of 1970–2010 is based on achievements in the field of microelectronics, computer science, biotechnology, genetic engineering, new types of energy, materials, space exploration, satellite communications, etc. A transition is taking place from disparate firms to a single network of large and small companies connected by an electronic network based on the Internet, closely cooperating in the field of technology, product quality control, innovation planning.
        The core of the technological structure:
        electronic industry
        Computer Engineering
        fiber optic technology
        software
        Telecommunications
        robot building
        gas production and processing
        information Technology.
        The key factor is microelectronic components.
        The advantage of the technological structure, compared with the previous one, was the individualization of production and consumption, in increasing the flexibility of production


        something seems to me that we are everywhere behind ...
  42. kim. 230752
    kim. 230752 18 November 2013 16: 38
    +4
    Bribery and embezzlement from top to bottom, transformations of the Ministry of Defense and the Ministry of Internal Affairs, during which only the dress code changed, the multiple increase in the number of officials, the destruction of education and health care systems, the complete collapse of industry, the economic crisis, protectionism in power, pseudo-democracy, masking the actual dictatorship, hypocrisy and indifference authorities authorities to everything that does not give any material benefits - these are just some of the results of the reign of the GDP. We survived: except for the South Koreans, there is no one to build the Vostochny cosmodrome (a strategic facility!). And then a worse time awaits us. God grant that I was wrong!
  43. lotar
    lotar 18 November 2013 16: 51
    +1
    As long as there are such black holes in the budget as Skolkovo, Rusnano and recently joined by Rostekhnologii headed by people like Chubais and Serdyukov, one should not expect any special changes for the better in economic, corruption and other plans.
  44. SEM
    SEM 18 November 2013 17: 11
    -2
    Quote: Ribwort
    Quote: SEM
    The Bible says: (if you are interested)

    Not interested. I'm an atheist.
    Quote: SEM
    WHAT AUTHORITY WASN'T BAD OR GOOD IT NEEDS TO RESPECT

    Strongly disagree. Serdyukov, there, also had power in the Ministry of Defense. No desire to kiss him? Exclusively in the framework of respect for power.

    Well, tell me that everything turned out from the big bang that scientists describe !!! And now remember at least one explosion that after it will be apart from debris and a funnel (this is at best) and that it itself has been created from it ... Nothing and never !!! Can you conduct a test suddenly? (which I doubt very much.) And as for the rest, I can say that Judas also walked with the Lord, but betrayed him, for which he burns in hell.
    1. Ribwort
      Ribwort 18 November 2013 17: 55
      +3
      Quote: SEM
      And now remember at least one explosion that after it will be apart from debris and a funnel (this is at best) and that it itself has been created from it ... Nothing and never !!!

      Well, if you and I have moved to the theoretical plane, then I will answer you theoretically: if you star as it should according to our government, what would be a good funnel like what you say, then after that, I have little doubt, it can turn out very much...
      1. SEM
        SEM 18 November 2013 19: 41
        0
        AHA get a good term in prison)))
  45. Orik
    Orik 18 November 2013 18: 05
    +1
    By and large, it is necessary to compare Putin with Stalin, Gorbi and Elkin are equal to Kerensky and Lenin's blank. The prosperity of the Brezhnev period is impossible without the Stalinist global breakthrough. Without Stalin's modernization, "stagnation" turns into a slow slide into an abyss, even today's oil and gas industry was founded under Stalin, and in the last years of the union colossal funds were pumped into it, there is such a thing as system inertia.
    1. Ribwort
      Ribwort 18 November 2013 18: 10
      +5
      Quote: Orik
      By and large, Putin needs to be compared with Stalin

      Yes, you can even compare it with Christ. Only a comparison in both cases is not in favor of Putin lol
  46. Kavtorang
    Kavtorang 18 November 2013 18: 11
    +1
    Quote: pahom54
    His retinue brought to power - retinue and dictates the conditions of his life.

    I gave birth to you - I will kill you!
  47. saag
    saag 18 November 2013 18: 16
    +4
    Quote: cosmos111
    A new industrialization will begin.

    What new industrialization, after the Olympics, the money will go to the World Cup 2018, as well as the EXPO in E-burg and the Universiade 2019 in Krasnoyarsk
  48. Sharp
    Sharp 18 November 2013 18: 23
    +1
    Interesting video.
    1. Sharp
      Sharp 18 November 2013 18: 39
      +2
      Now I understand why our children swim on old rubbish, like "Bulgaria" and drown. They fly on old foreign coffins and fall. And their children are in the West and in the States. I have no more questions.
      1. krasavchik
        krasavchik 18 November 2013 19: 10
        0
        and what are the questions then? the fact that children of officials live in foreign countries and they push us here for patriotism is not news
      2. Walker1975
        Walker1975 18 November 2013 19: 25
        +1
        Is this news for you? How can the Cold War be waged if the Government keeps children and savings in the enemy’s countries?
        1. krasavchik
          krasavchik 18 November 2013 19: 49
          +3
          it is precisely that there is no struggle between Putin and his team with the West and America. all this is kvass nonsense for the electorate
  49. creak
    creak 18 November 2013 18: 28
    +2
    [quote = morpogr] The good news is that we don’t put our eggs in one basket. There is now an oil pipeline both to the west and to the east. We sell gas to Europe and Japan, China, we are negotiating with Vietnam and Korea.

    Or he can come to an agreement and finally gasify their villages and towns, where they still heat wood with Tsar Gorokh ... The inhabitants of these places do not get warmer from the presence of gas pipelines abroad in winter ...
  50. rumatam
    rumatam 18 November 2013 18: 44
    +3
    And how else can he manage if he came to work during the "stagnation", like the rest of the leaders, the current ones in the main. Only under Brezhnev was something else feared, confiscation and shot was, for a particularly large. And now he stole it back, at least part of it proved, and live by the state.