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Russia is notable for not being found anywhere else.



From the Editors of the PH: Author Yuri Gorodnenko is a political scientist and publicist from Kiev. Published on the resource "Ukrainian choice" V. Medvedchuk.


I do not cease to be surprised at the strange peculiarity of our Ukrainian mentality: to act not for good, but in spite of!

When Russia gives low-interest loans, cheap gas (as it has been for many years and what our politicians have successfully forgotten about today), we snort and frown. When countries with "European values" are disgustingly repel us, we are struggling for them and are ready to endure any humiliation.

We are demolishing monuments to Soviet soldiers who saved the inhabitants of the same Galicia from total annihilation by the Nazis. And here in Lviv we create the Masoch Fund and begin to vigorously promote the ideas of masochism!

We blame the Russians for the insufficient, from our point of view, morality and culture. And then we choose to the Verkhovna Rada, famous for homosexuality and convictions for the theft of Oleg Lyashko’s state property. Yes, and give him almost 56% of the vote.

When the doctor of economics, a professor who has numerous scientific publications abroad, an academician of not only Russian, but also of the Ukrainian Academy of Sciences, Sergei Glazyev, tries to explain basic economic truths to us, we shout about interference in internal affairs and do not give him air. But they are glad to give the opportunity to speak on the central Ukrainian TV channels to a third-rate American retired official, so that he would teach us outright rudeness - “silence” to this very world-famous scientist.

Watching all this, you feel like in the theater of the absurd. All the policies of today's Ukraine, all the actions of the authorities, all the media are subordinated to only one goal - to satisfy their many complexes and offenses. At the same time, for some reason, they chose Russia as the object to drain their internal malice.

Of course, in Russia, as in any country, you can find a lot of their shortcomings. And sometimes I am embarrassed by what is happening in the midst of the Moscow "beau monde", about which Vladimir Putin said very precisely: "We decided that God had fallen asleep on them!" And I do not like official life, which sometimes I see in Russia.


And I see not only in the bureaucratic environment, but even among those who actively criticize ministers and governors for this very bureaucracy from the pages of Moscow editions.

It is difficult for me to understand how, for example, some media are guided, they are happy to provide a platform for appeals to remove Putin to US Senator McCain, who hates modern Russia.

At the same time, it is worth asking them to convey the opinion of Russian scientists, publicists, politicians to Ukrainian citizens, and the editors of this publication with bureaucratic indifference will send you to discuss with your lawyer numerous points of conditions on which you can (think about it!) Just quote the opinion Russians in Ukraine!

I am equally unacceptable to the myopia of many representatives of the Moscow intelligentsia, who have a lot of outrage, radical protest, the struggle for freedom of expression and their own "I", but there is no desire for truth.

It is unpleasant and painful.

But to throw a stone to the side can he who is clean before God! And let us, with our hands on our hearts, honestly answer: and in Ukraine we have less treachery, bureaucracy, humiliation of human dignity, bureaucratic indifference to people, outright lies of politicians and journalists?

At the same time, when you come to Russia, you cannot fail to see another country. And it is distinguished by absolutely wonderful features that are unique in today's cynical world, which are nowhere else to find: incredible warm-heartedness, compassion, sincerity, generosity, openness.

And knowing this, I want all of us to ask one question: let's say 2016 has come the year, we have built a new Berlin wall on the Russian-Ukrainian border, through which even a mouse will not slip through, turned off all Moscow TV channels and Internet portals, sent it out of everyone, whose relatives live in Russia
deleted from textbooks stories every mention of this country, banned all Russian literature, music and cinema, refused Russian gas and returned to firewood - will we be happy and prosperous in this case? To everyone who thinks so, I suggest hitchhiking from Hamburg to Naples


and look closely at the inner side of the life of the Germans and Italians.

And then you will see: the interests of the average European are limited. Most do not know what is happening not only in the world, but also around. As a matter of fact, they rarely go outside their neighborhood. Everything is focused on making money. The concept of "friendship" is absent. It is generally not accepted to show sincerity, openness. And to come to a friend for a visit - it is necessary to agree almost a few weeks in advance, and even find for this some weighty reason.

Personally, I was struck in the West by another feature (primarily in Italy, Spain, Portugal): the impression that there are absolutely no dentists. And then I realized that the question is not only in the absence of professionals. Simply, the degree of commercialization has reached such a level that even our Ukrainian, Russian citizens are more likely to maintain the health of their teeth (even with all the shortcomings of our medicine) than residents of the EU.

About the problem of migration, I generally keep silent. For those who think that there are too many visitors in Moscow, I recommend going to Lisbon. The first thing that comes to mind when you get to the streets of the capital of Portugal - all the former African colonies moved here, and the indigenous population fled.





And when you personally encounter this life full of cold but absolute and devoid of human warmth, you involuntarily begin to understand why the people of the GDR feel longing for a lot of past life - to celebrate collectively holidays, to travel around the country twice a year, communicate openly, show emotions and feelings.


And you realize: today's Russia is one of the few islands in the world, where spiritual qualities are still in price, where the principle of "man to man of wolf" has not yet completely absorbed society, where you can still find tremendous human responsiveness, sincerity, openness.


And today, tear us away from this beautiful people, take them away from us - I am sure that a full life will not come, but we will never find the lost unique human qualities.
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  1. zloi_dekabr
    zloi_dekabr 16 November 2013 07: 13
    47
    Good article, plus. It is a pity that an adequate Ukrainian is an endangered species (((Well, nothing, I think we can get the situation right, and in 50 years none of the Little Russians will remember that they were going to the EU)))
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 16 November 2013 08: 17
      42
      Quote: zloi_dekabr
      It is a pity that an adequate Ukrainian is an endangered species (

      Well, why is dying, we have Kars on the site, yesterday I was going to join China, well, it doesn’t merge with the EU laughing But Ukrainians, reading his comments for the most part, do not support him. Many, of course, were brainwashed by terrible Russia and wonderful Europe. It all the same, no matter how anyone writes, whatever they say, Ukraine has no other way than in alliance with Russia .Any other is an abyss.
      1. Gecko
        Gecko 16 November 2013 13: 38
        15
        Kars and others like him from that category of people who believe that benefits can be obtained practically for nothing from someone else's uncle, sincere kindness, for example, in such different structures as MMM and EC, but all of them promise convincing well-being and prosperity.
      2. APES
        APES 16 November 2013 14: 52
        +6
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Well why are endangered


        answer in article:

        for example, the 2016 year has come, on the Russian-Ukrainian border we built a new Berlin wall, through which even a mouse cannot slip, turned off all Moscow TV channels and Internet portals, sent out from the country all those with relatives living in Russia,


        many will remain adequate, if at all, who will remain. The joke is over, but looking from the side, everything goes to that ....
      3. Grandfather Nikola
        Grandfather Nikola 19 November 2013 18: 38
        +3
        And do not forget about Belarus. We will revive Holy Russia, Holy Trinity. Everything else is from the evil one.
    2. andrey777
      andrey777 16 November 2013 09: 33
      29
      Quote: zloi_dekabr
      It’s a pity that an adequate Ukrainian is an endangered species

      Why Ukrainian? Russian, who lives on the outskirts of Russia
      1. ZU-23
        ZU-23 16 November 2013 10: 44
        12
        Well, so the princes separated earlier, because each leader wanted his own state, and all sorts of deer they want to divide Russia, if they lived together until now, then there would be no bazaars and the power would remain united.
      2. dark_65
        dark_65 16 November 2013 13: 40
        21
        But what's the difference, Russian, Ukrainian, Dagestan.
        Only a person is capable of an act, he did it, wrote his sore, and to Him plus from the heart.
      3. Skiff-2
        Skiff-2 17 November 2013 15: 40
        +9
        Quote: andrey777
        Why Ukrainian? Russian, who lives on the outskirts of Russia

        And what is interesting, since 1992, many Russians have registered themselves as Ukrainians and their children in all seriousness consider themselves as such, dad is Russian, mom is Russian, surname is the most that neither is ... but the "Ukrainian" herself ( I have an employee like that), but she is starting to improve, she recently told a joke: "Obama asks a fortuneteller" how much will a hamburger cost in 10 years ", she answers" forty rubles "" ... A positive example is a strong thing, after the Olympics it will be ...
    3. Polovec
      Polovec 16 November 2013 09: 42
      55
      In many people I have met one interesting character trait. They very easily and closely converge with strangers, but they are capable of feuding with relatives for years. And the reasons for the enmity, at times, no longer really remember. In my opinion, the mystery of these relations lies in the excessive familiarity of the relationship. People, believing that you can behave as you want with family and friends, openly "kindly" are rude and insult each other. In relations with "strangers" this is not allowed. I have seen a lot of such examples in my life.
      It seems that with Ukraine we have something similar. And not only with Ukraine. And if Russia is trying to behave more or less correctly (if only because we don’t care much about other countries), then with hidden resentment it is not clear what the Baltic states, Poland, and the same Ukraine constantly make claims and require something !
      Finland, too, was, as was Poland in the Russian Empire. Moreover, we all remember the Finnish war when we squeezed out part of the territory. However, the relationship is fairly even. Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Bulgaria, Germany ...
      But claims from Ukraine, the Baltic states and Poland are already tired. Just today these guys have nothing to brag about. And the blame for the failure to take on loved ones is not courage. These complexes, unfortunately, as life shows, are incurable. Until they themselves understand that their anger themselves will be devoured from within, that this is counterproductive, nothing will change. We just need to go our own way and not pay attention to barking.
    4. Panikovsky
      Panikovsky 16 November 2013 12: 15
      18
      absolutely disagree with you! as soon as a default is approaching in Ukraine and the remnants of industry collapse, and this is a matter of time, there will be as many adequate Ukrainians as there are adequate Germans in Germany in 1945.
      1. avg
        avg 16 November 2013 13: 16
        +8
        it is a matter of time, there will be as many adequate Ukrainians as there are adequate Germans in Germany in the 1945 model.

        I recently read that Yanukovych promises the EU to warm the gypsies from all over Europe, and realized that you can have more adequate ones, and even faster than you think. fellow
      2. Polovec
        Polovec 16 November 2013 13: 39
        17
        You are wrong. The Germans were helped by two interested forces. In the territories occupied by the Allies, people were dying of dystrophy until America decided that Germany should become an outpost of the struggle against the USSR and did not introduce a Marshall plan. The Germans, by the way, having lost then independence, could not gain it even now. The USSR restored the GDR for approximately the same reasons. It's just that the USA had more money. And Stalin didn’t take a single ruble of borrowing to rebuild the country, and although many are spitting on it now, this is what allowed us to maintain our sovereignty. And where is the place of the adequacy or inadequacy of the Germans of 1945? Nothing depended on them (as in other matters a little now). And Ukraine today has a choice. After all, even the most terry zapadentets does not believe that Russia will take and attack Ukraine.
        The Ukrainian oligarchy simply needs to legalize its capital, and they do not care about the country. Wrong choices will now turn people simply into slaves and there will be no awakening of adequacy. In Iraq, the people are much faster than the Ukrainians are able to grab a weapon. And what did it help them greatly in protecting their independence or resources? Default for Ukraine is just a tool of colonization and not a cure for poverty.
      3. Mikhail3
        Mikhail3 16 November 2013 18: 39
        +4
        At that moment, the inevitable will happen. Ukraine will attack Russia with covert but huge NATO support. And all "adequate Ukrainians" will tear us with their teeth, going overboard with hysterical hatred. This is what everything is led to!
        A person hates no one as much as the one before whom this person is guilty. And the more wine - the more poisonous anger. The more Russia in the mournful modern history tried to help Ukraine in a brotherly way, the meaner Nenka behaved with us. And the Ukrainians understand this very well ... Hence all this "European integration" is growing. I really want to prove that everything was done correctly, that the Russians are terrible stranglers of the Ukrainians! And at the moment when it will no longer be possible to lie to oneself, it will not be sobering up but a breakthrough of an abscess, an explosion of furious hatred, a blow of black lies.
        The Europeans themselves, and the Americans ... and the Chinese along with them, which is there ... are not able to conquer us. They can try to win, and even that ... no, and I don’t believe in it. So their only hope is that the Russians will defeat the Russians. So they poison Ukraine in a driven hunt, they bring it to a number ... which, it seems, does not suspect that now a huge boar will begin to tear it. The West does not need anything now, just such a war.
        We do not want. But without this war, we cannot find out with each other anything. I do not think that the logic of the occurring inevitable events can now be turned. I think - it will be so ...
        1. wow
          wow 16 November 2013 21: 20
          +5
          It is characteristic of the "Ukrainian" mentality that when a Russian tank caterpillar runs into a "soldier" from "Nakhtigal" who has shit from fear and the sight of his own blood, he yells as best he can: "... old ... "etc. If I were a tanker, I wouldn't press the brake ...!
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        2. In the book
          In the book 18 November 2013 16: 29
          +2
          Quote: Mikhail3
          At that moment, the inevitable will happen. Ukraine will attack Russia with covert but huge NATO support. And all "adequate Ukrainians" will tear us with their teeth, going overboard with hysterical hatred. This is what everything is led to!

          Yeah, far away you went into fantasies

          Quote: Mikhail3
          We do not want. But without this war, we cannot find out with each other anything. I do not think that the logic of the occurring inevitable events can now be turned. I think - it will be so ...

          Disputes in wars are decided only by stupid people.
        3. 3935333
          3935333 20 November 2013 16: 19
          0
          Micah, what are you? Hey .... The war will be and is ideological, believe me to get the blood so it’s necessary - on the baptismal camp ... well, I don’t know the iPhone to be executed! There will be no war! (Although Crimea must be taken) bully
    5. APES
      APES 16 November 2013 14: 39
      +6
      Quote: zloi_dekabr
      adequate Ukrainian - endangered species


      Vladimir Putin said very accurately: "We decided that God fell asleep on them!"


      Ukrainians prayed for a miracle that could hit all Muscovites and blacks.

      A voice from heaven: "I give you Klitschko"

      And what is it?

      A voice from heaven: "that hero who will beat all Muscovites and blacks"

      Tse dilo. Give us two.

      PS what they wanted, they got it.
    6. starshina78
      starshina78 16 November 2013 19: 31
      +7
      Nothing to add! It is written from the heart! It is a pity that because of the ambitions of the Ukrainian leadership, one people is tearing apart - we are Slavs!
      1. ATATA
        ATATA 16 November 2013 23: 44
        10
        Quote: starshina78
        we are Slavs!

        When will you understand everything ?!
        We are not just Slavs!
        No nationality Ukrainian! This is a Jewish myth, we are just Russians.
        1. So_o_tozh
          So_o_tozh 17 November 2013 03: 28
          -16 qualifying.
          I don’t consider myself Russian, why should I think so? Ukraine fought the whole history with the Poles, then with the Tatars, and the Cossacks went to Moscow ..., we are so different in mentality and language that we won’t become Russian, relatives, yes.
          1. 77bob1973
            77bob1973 17 November 2013 06: 44
            +6
            In-in, you just have to give the moorings and sail to the area of ​​the Bay of Biscay, Russia is definitely not there.
          2. mountain
            mountain 17 November 2013 16: 50
            +6
            I am amazed at the arrogance and arrogance of the Ukrainians. I was amazed when a childhood friend came to Siberia from Ukraine, I already wrote about this story. But I repeat, first of all, instead of hello, you Russians snickered. or another case, a brother from Ukraine came to a neighbor to earn money, they kept kiosks, and he guarded them. And he received modest money at that time. And so I talked to him, before traveling to us, he naively believed that she was feeding us Ukraine. He was so surprised by the standard of living and relations that he did not want to leave.
          3. misljachii
            misljachii 18 November 2013 12: 54
            11
            In Russia, for colleagues, friends, I am a Tatar, but for the whole world I am Russian and nothing else. Bashkirs, Yakuts, Buryats, Khanty, we are the Russian people. You have decided to live without us, the flag is in your hands, just don’t spit in the direction of my country and don’t demand to help you in difficulties, like "we are all brothers."
            1. 3935333
              3935333 20 November 2013 16: 28
              +2
              Krasava! Because when we (Russians, Tatars, Bashkirs and Dagestanis), being somewhere on vacation (for example, in the South of Spain), start a fight with English assholes or Spanish cattle, then believe me guys, at least you are three times Armenian or Tatar with a beard like wahi - poking a finger at you will yell "beat the Russians" .... PS ... Together we are strong !!!
          4. Patriot8482
            Patriot8482 19 November 2013 19: 16
            +2
            I could be wrong, but the Russians went to Moscow too, do not forget that then we all fought and quarreled with each other.
    7. Nick
      Nick 16 November 2013 20: 29
      +7
      Quote: zloi_dekabr
      and after 50 years, none of the Little Russians will remember that they were going to the EU)))

      And they will finally remember that they, too, are part of the great Russian people ...
      1. Baemaley99
        Baemaley99 17 November 2013 01: 11
        +3
        I applaud while standing !!!
    8. pawel1961
      pawel1961 16 November 2013 23: 04
      +5
      don’t need so high, fix the situation. can . if . we need it. and we need it. and it is necessary for all Slavs to all Orthodox.
    9. Siberian German
      Siberian German 17 November 2013 05: 56
      +3
      I do not agree with you - there is a very, very much adequate question in the inadequacy of our leadership who do not have a clear policy in relation to Ukraine
  2. domokl
    domokl 16 November 2013 07: 18
    30
    The author is right in many ways. Our vastness allows many to live by the same principles, on the same moral principles as our parents. It is not for nothing that Moscow and St. Petersburg are perceived by the Russians as a state in a state. It seems like a completely different Russia.
    And our task now is to remain exactly Russian: not by origin (there can be people of any nationality), but by spirit, by gut, by looking at the country and your life ...
    1. APES
      APES 16 November 2013 14: 58
      21
      Quote: domokl
      . Not for nothing Moscow and Peter


      Peter’s request to remove from this comparison. yes

      I traveled all over the country - everywhere, when they found out that I was from St. Petersburg, and not from Moscow - the attitude changed immediately - before our eyes, warmth and sincerity immediately appeared.

      Sorry hi
      1. ATATA
        ATATA 16 November 2013 16: 17
        +6
        Quote: APES
        Peter’s request to remove from this comparison

        Totally agree.
        Although I myself am not from St. Petersburg, and by the way, and not from Moscow. drinks
      2. morpex
        morpex 16 November 2013 21: 36
        +6
        Quote: APES
        Sorry

        Andrew! For what? I am Ukrainian. I studied in Leningrad, as it was called then. I have never met such kind and sympathetic people in any other city, either in Ukraine or in Russia ... hi
      3. dima1970
        dima1970 17 November 2013 01: 58
        +2
        Forgive me for being from Samara, but decent (educated) people from St. Petersburg can be counted on the fingers of one hand, mostly either the "canals" of the fans, or nothing better than the maskvats (there is no life beyond the Moscow Ring Road, all are lazy and drunks, only we drink on their "blood", which were ripped from all over the country, in Turkey) ...
      4. drom.m
        drom.m 18 November 2013 03: 36
        +2
        Brother, and what, Moscow, Peter, does this end the geography of Russia? What kind of attitude is that over there? It smacks of separatism, did not think that Russia is majestic precisely in the regions? Think it over
  3. George
    George 16 November 2013 07: 20
    51
    Hello all.
    Hopefully not deleted:
    You cannot escape from yourself: millions of invisible bonds
    They will not allow us to forget our childhood, even to those who ...
    Today I guys dreamed about the Soviet Union,
    And I think we too quickly said goodbye to the era.

    Let the "TV" lie that the pores have never been freezing,
    That from the signs of the Masonic eaves were breaking over us -
    I mean that in our yard there were many friends,
    And that we went to our neighbors without a visa.

    Someone built and lived, someone stupidly looked at the fence,
    Someone was quietly oily, stuffing mattresses with currency,
    But from the distant overseas everyone heard the angelic choir,
    Although they explained to us that this is a pid..sy.

    It’s not that we wanted to leave - we just went outside,
    And she led into darkness, a curve path ran.
    I don’t know when the traitor and the thief appeared -
    It was visible among us, but until the time he stole a little,

    Left alone, he loomed through the window with a candle -
    And while we fought, obsessed with our own tongues,
    The enemy entered the waddle, pouring urine on the shrine,
    And he sat down on the throne, swinging on undetails.

    Having smoked the kingsays of "the chosen ones of the EL EM world",
    After winding gigabytes of porn on advertising meters,
    We returned to ourselves, only not enough space was available to everyone ...
    We pissed off such a Country - excuse me, mom!

    Are we, eyes downcast, pass side,
    We are silent - more tolerant than a sheep and more timid than a hare?
    Maybe at least for the last time we’ll habitually shake antiquity,
    In a tense struggle, tearing the eggs of the opponent?

    We have not cried hitherto, perhaps we shall not cry in the future, -
    Because of lesser resentment, wars sometimes begin.
    Who dares to live is not afraid to die in battle,
    The ballistic path to the enemy is measured out calmly.

    Let the neo-window scream in the House of Congress
    Let the "defenders of law" go into hysterics,
    But as long as the missiles read Washington DC
    NATO partners still have short arms.

    Ukraine, rise up! Belarus, no longer rub!
    Returning home, brush off your dusty feet.
    Together we are the sacred Ancient Russia
    And not the bastards of the creature that stole the name of Europe.

    And when the Democrats of Sodom, caliphs for an hour
    We are screaming heart-rendingly: "Stand up with cancer - live like people!"
    I’m funny because I remember how it was with us,
    And I want to believe - it will definitely be!

    From the far berths the ships will leave for the Ocean,
    In distant orbits, plans will continue to move ...
    Yes, the book is over, but in the memory of our land
    The history of the world still has a sequel -

    There will be a wind in the foliage, a laugh of noon and midnight of joy,
    The sin will be sweet to us and the bitter repentance of the cup -
    It will be as always. It will be as it should be for those
    For whom is this home, and not just "moronic Rush".

    Life will show whether we will hold the brotherhood together with centenary wine,
    Having finally figured out which side we are playing on,
    Or, Great Russia, you will remain a dream,
    Converted to the past - a bright lost paradise,

    If to us, dissolved as salt in world rumor,
    Now - to the miserable sufferers and victims of treacherous wiles,
    Neither the strength in the hands, nor the brains in the head,
    To create something more grandiose in the groin.
    1. pahom54
      pahom54 16 November 2013 10: 06
      15
      for Georges
      I don’t know if it’s your poems or not, but - MUCH THANKS for them!
      1. George
        George 16 November 2013 12: 18
        13
        Quote: pahom54
        I don’t know if it’s your poems or not

        No, these verses are not mine. The person from whom I copied these verses is not alive (blessed memory of him), but he did not recognize authorship and did not share the link.
        By the way, maybe someone knows the name of the author, tell me please.
        ... but for now, please consider the words popular.
        1. chehywed
          chehywed 16 November 2013 14: 14
          +9
          Quote: GEORGE
          By the way, maybe someone knows the name of the author, tell me please.

          Oleg L. Vorobyov
          http://highpoetry.clan.su/publ/sovetskij_sojuz/4-1-0-2378
          1. George
            George 16 November 2013 15: 02
            +2
            Quote: chehywed
            Oleg L. Vorobyov

            Thank you hi
          2. Barabama
            Barabama 17 November 2013 01: 02
            +4
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            Poems about the Soviet Union

            scivarin
            February 10th, 2009

            Honestly, I cannot classify myself as a fan of the so-called "civic lyrics". Real poetry in my understanding is very far from any kind of political declarations. However, I will not hide, I am quite surprised that the existential tragedy of the collapse of the great country - the Soviet Union, unfolding before our eyes and leaving a deep mark on the destinies of several generations, has not found any adequate reflection in modern Russian poetry. The poems I met on this topic left an extremely unpleasant impression of dull weakness or impotent anger, their authors willingly anathematized the oligarchs and traitors who deceived a kind and honest people by definition, but shyly kept silent about why this very people stupidly allowed themselves to be deceived. And most importantly, in such texts, no way out of the current situation was indicated, at least as a kind of vector of spiritual resistance. What happened was presented as an inevitable and unavoidable evil, the possibility of opposition was questioned, the omnipotence of Russia's enemies was declared and so on in the same spirit.

            Reading such crap against the background of increasing attacks on "bloody totalitarianism", which meant everything related to Russian civilization, by the orange "young democrats" - State Department prostitutes who ended up in power in Ukraine, I came into indescribable rage. I wanted to betray "totalitarianism" in full. The result of one of these outbursts of indignation was the poem "Soviet Union", written about a year ago. This text is completely uncharacteristic of my poetic work, the aesthetic concept of which tends, rather, to decadence and Gothic, but there's nothing you can do about it.
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            http://scivarin.livejournal.com/2020.html

            original publication with author comments

            and he’s still alive, if he continues his blog, thank God
            1. chehywed
              chehywed 17 November 2013 04: 04
              +3
              BarabamaSorry, I slammed you (-), sorry, otbratcha. On the same page, on your link there are verses in the subject of the article:

              There were "money" - steel
              "pennies"
              From the ruble
              hryvnia ...
              Parted ways-
              little paths
              At Muscovy
              with Ukraine!

              Ancient stone line
              putty knife
              Everyone is different, - share
              Homeland.
              The whole story
              cracked
              What ten centuries
              passed ...

              Today to the Lavra, where the body
              Muromets
              Calm down -
              imperishable
              People walk - Mazepa
              by the street
              Cursing him
              probably...

              And bravura speech
              listen
              Like, they will be pleased
              "paradox"
              Where Hitler
              sworn
              Will march on
              Khreshchatyk ...

              Everyone teaches us - mind, yes
              mind ...
              Like, Moscow, yes Ryazan -
              and brothers?
              Say, we are the essence of the people
              various,
              None, they say,
              not traitors ...

              Divide land, factories,
              estates
              Devour each other
              by eating ...
              Forgetting that every
              scum
              All will be rewarded, -
              on a sinusoid ...



              © 2008 Uninvited
            2. George
              George 17 November 2013 12: 34
              0
              Quote: Barabama
              and he’s still alive, if he continues his blog, thank God

              I wrote:
              Quote: GEORGE
              The person from whom I copied these verses is not alive (blessed memory of him), but he did not recognize authorship and did not share the link.

              Moreover, I am glad that the author is alive and working.
    2. yur
      yur 16 November 2013 20: 53
      +1
      Thank you friend.
    3. Current 72
      Current 72 17 November 2013 00: 55
      +2
      I read this poem, and tears came to my eyes !!! MANY THANKS TO YOU for printing this poem !!! It would be nice if this creation would relay TV on all channels and print media in all publications !!!
      1. official
        official 22 November 2013 01: 34
        +1
        here's another topic:

        We are strong and our tanks are fast
        They will smash your Europe to dust.
        Mayors bent out
        We have the keys to London and Prague!

        We will cover the globe with a footcloth
        Blood and moonshine will pour
        And the valiant tanks will burst
        Dawn to New York and Washington!

        Become brothers proud kings
        As God intended for us
        Bring the bourgeois to our temples
        All your foreign capital.

        Overlap the world with tax and obscenities,
        The countries will fall into the Russian Bed.
        There will be those who previously believed in NATO,
        Kirzachi sergeants kiss!

        Well, after that we’ll move into space,
        Star systems to conquer,
        And burst into the frosty dawn
        Aldebarana, your mother!
  4. Same lech
    Same lech 16 November 2013 07: 27
    18
    The author is right in many respects, unfortunately the situation in our country is also absurd. SUCCESSFUL MANAGERS (Serdyukov) become untouchable faces and shadow reformers (Chubais) beautifully pluck the budget of RUSSIA.
    What is most striking is that the top of the KREMLIN (LADIES and SUPREME) reward them and call their reforms a forward movement (both laughter and sin)
  5. makarov
    makarov 16 November 2013 07: 33
    +1
    From the bright Soviet past:
    A deputy of the 25th Congress of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union arrived in his native campus in Chukchi, gathered his voters at the club, and said - he reports: “You know (?), It turns out that Karl Marx Friedrich Engels is not four people as we thought, but only two! And the Glory of the CPSU is not a person at all !.

    There is nothing more to add to the comment.
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  7. Lyokha79
    Lyokha79 16 November 2013 08: 13
    +8
    The other day I heard a statement by some European official that the signing of an association agreement with Ukraine might be fifty percent. I wonder what Yanukovych will do if Europe expands the shafts to him. It is clear that he is already a political corpse, but it’s a pity for ordinary people, by whom all this venture with Europe will hit hardest. But history always repeats itself, sooner or later the time will come when our peoples will live together.
    1. kaktus
      kaktus 16 November 2013 08: 55
      +3
      50% - the bvbka said in two. such predictions every wise guy can do! wassat
  8. borisjdin1957
    borisjdin1957 16 November 2013 08: 53
    18
    from the Don.
    I completely agree with the author! I want to add. How long will we stomp ourselves and humiliate ourselves? This also applies to cars, disrespect on the roads, humiliation of the country in the media, disrespect for old people and women. But what happens? I brought my wife to the bank. I’m waiting, I lit a cigarette. They cleaned the bank and the urns are gone. 2 Tajiks come up. It turns out that we reached us. The village is about 18 thousand people. In essence. Young, smoking a cigarette, not seeing where to drop it, she says: What the fucking country?:. I told him: What the hell do you do in this fucking country? I’d sit at home: .He: I have to go here and earn money.: I: Then why are you pouring mud on my country, which gives you the opportunity to live? The answer put everything in its place.: And you watch TV, where do you spread rot yourself? There is nothing to add.
  9. Valery Neonov
    16 November 2013 09: 11
    11
    Russian, WE are:
    There is a correspondence between the vastness, infinity, infinity of the Russian land and the Russian soul, between physical geography and mental geography. In the soul of the Russian people there is the same immensity, limitlessness, striving for infinity, as in the Russian plain
    N. A. Berdyaev yes
  10. Enot-poloskun
    Enot-poloskun 16 November 2013 09: 18
    26
    Correctly! Ukrainians! Remember: you have much more in common with Russians than differences. Our peoples shed blood together. And in wars against whom? I will list:

    - against Poles Poles;
    - against the Swedes;
    - against the Germans;
    - against Hungarians and Austrians;
    - against the French;
    - against the British.

    And do you want to unite with them? Do you not understand that the old Europe, mired in immorality and hedonism, considers you, the Ukrainians, as a gratuitous slave, as slaves?
    1. Captain Vrungel
      Captain Vrungel 16 November 2013 11: 12
      +4
      To be honest, a simple citizen of Ukraine will be shitty in the EU and shit in the CU. In the EU, it is a second-rate state, third-rate people. In the Customs Union, the biomass is powerless, deciding nothing (like the Russians themselves) in the hands of corrupt, arrogant, thieving crooks from organized crime groups who seized power. Recent events in Ukraine and Russia show. The plowman with the plowman rules us not according to the laws, but according to his own concepts (see Chubais, stools).
      To create a workable, progressive TS you need:
      -A little less steal greedy power.
      - the dominance of law, not the rule of the dominant.
      -Change the polarity of law enforcement. Protection of the state and people. A tough fight against corruption, especially in the echelons of power.
      -Progressive taxation. Tight control and inevitability of severe punishment for tax evasion, salaries in envelopes, up to prison sentences and confiscation of business.
      And the most important thing. Prevent the lifelong stay at the trough of power of sucking leeches. Two terms in any elected position for the period of employment.
      - Tough reforms to improve the health and build a democratic state for the whole people, and not for a handful of elected b.s. thieves, and now "prosperous" oligarchs. (Remember the words of Marx. "Business cannot be honest").
      1. 31231
        31231 16 November 2013 22: 57
        +6
        In the CU, disenfranchised, deciding nothing (like the Russians themselves) biomass in the hands of corrupt, arrogant, thieving crooks from organized crime groups who seized power.


        I see you go ...... urgently go to the EU. Go and tell.
        And then you see only the requirement of the TS to expose here. You, like some arrogant Ukrainians, think that Ukraine needs a vehicle, not Ukraine.
        For some reason, Belarus and Kazakhstan do not toil with ideas of "improvements" of their fellow vehicles, but simply live together.
        1. Misantrop
          Misantrop 16 November 2013 23: 48
          +6
          Quote: 31231
          For some reason, Belarus and Kazakhstan do not toil with ideas of "improvements" of their fellow vehicles, but simply live together.
          Because IMHO, both of these republics are led by PROFESSIONAL HEADS who are at least trained in this matter
      2. Misantrop
        Misantrop 16 November 2013 23: 46
        +6
        Quote: Captain Vrungel
        And the most important thing. Prevent the lifelong stay at the trough of power of sucking leeches. Two terms in any elected position for the period of employment.
        This "most important thing" was one of the reasons, IMHO, that ruined the country when Gorbachev, if not to be remembered by nightfall, turned on the path of "perestroika". Try this way: "two terms" to do ANY activity. Will it be possible to achieve at least some meaningful results? At least move science, even locksmith - is needed everywhere professionalism and experience. Even the boiler house needs to be STUDYED. Do you think it’s easier to manage the country? And what about the Russian Federation, that in Ukraine in the leadership of ALL industries and ministries - continuous amateurs who are shuffled like cards in a deck to ensure the appearance of a power shift. And how many do not shuffle a deck, a chess horse will not appear there ... request And the layman, who knows for sure that he took this chair for a short time, a priori will not even comprehend the basics of the business that he is entrusted with. He has another task - to have time to loot more, without too clearly not substituting. And share with those on whom the subsequent appointment depends ... request
      3. Current 72
        Current 72 17 November 2013 01: 05
        0
        It is necessary to return the personnel policy of STALIN, and elections or elections are crap and garbage, but it’s easier to deceive us and easier people. Think yourself who you are voting for. You don’t know him but you have to vote, YES or NO and possibly AGAINST ALL.
    2. konvalval
      konvalval 16 November 2013 14: 11
      +3
      And I want to supplement Enota poluskuna. And as a market for its garbage.
    3. ATATA
      ATATA 16 November 2013 16: 20
      +3
      Quote: Enot-poloskun
      Correctly! Ukrainians! Remember: you have much more in common with Russians than differences. Our peoples shed blood together. And in wars against whom? I will list:

      Nationality Ukrainian is less than 100 years old. It was invented by the Zionist commissars.
      We are all Russians, beside the Westerners, this is an explosive mixture: Jews, Poles, Romanians and Hungarians.
      1. Cat
        Cat 16 November 2013 17: 01
        +3
        Quote: ATATA
        Nationality Ukrainian is less than 100 years old. It was invented by the Zionist commissars.

        I remember that it was during the time of the commissars (that is, in the USSR) that Russians and Ukrainians lived just like brothers. Or rather, even - exclusively at that time lived like that, in all other periods, Ukrainians (or Little Russians) shared with the Russians.
        This is what I mean: in the USSR such a nationality - Ukrainian - quite officially existed. Which was recorded in the passports of these same Ukrainians, including mine. But, for some reason, it never occurred to anyone to oppose themselves to those who had "Russian" in their passports. We played together, studied together, worked together ... our grandfathers and great-grandfathers fought together ... and no one bothered themselves with the question: whose nationality appeared the earliest.
        But then, unfortunately, times changed.
        People, too, have changed - have appeared everyones, like a character with a nickname ATATA - which seem to be for a peace-friendship-chewing gum, but at the same time do not miss an opportunity to accuse the neighbors of racial, so to speak, inferiority. And then they are surprised: why is it them, all of them white and fluffy - all sorts of hohs there do not respect? And rightly they do not respect. It's my pleasure.
        1. ATATA
          ATATA 16 November 2013 17: 22
          +1
          Quote: Cat
          I remember that it was during the time of the commissars (that is, in the USSR) that Russians and Ukrainians lived just like brothers. Or rather, they lived like that only at that time, during all other periods, Ukrainians (or Little Russians) shared the Russians with the Russians.

          Nothing Russian with Russian (Ukrainians) to the Bolsheviks did not share.
          Not to be confused with the Poles.
          1. Cat
            Cat 16 November 2013 17: 53
            -1
            Quote: ATATA
            Nothing Russian with Russian (Ukrainians) to the Bolsheviks did not share.
            Not to be confused with the Poles.

            read the story, for the sake of interest. In what language was the training conducted, official documents were cooked, books and newspapers were published ... well-known addresses like "mockal", "katsap", xoxol "- in the days of RI were considered, if not a direct insult, then something like him. all this with the times of the USSR The red flag of which USSR you deigned to hang on - well, follow the Soviet concepts, according to which, as I said, the nationality "Ukrainian" was not considered invented.
            Or maybe you have a flag - just hung out for your entourage?
            1. ATATA
              ATATA 16 November 2013 23: 39
              +1
              Quote: Cat
              read the story, for the sake of interest. What language was taught, official documents cooked

              The documents are cooked up in a state of simulation called UKRAINE.
              They also write the story of this simulacra, which never happened before.
              Only the last 23 years, thanks to the drunkard and crooks, they plunged 20 million Russians into the occupation of thieves.
              1. Cat
                Cat 16 November 2013 23: 50
                +2
                Quote: ATATA
                The documents are cooked up in a state of simulation called UKRAINE.
                They also write the story of this simulacra, which never happened before.
                Only the last 23 years, thanks to the drunkard and crooks, they plunged 20 million Russians into the occupation of thieves.

                If you do not have enough mind to distinguish history from history books - It's your problems.
                If for you there is no difference between the concepts country и nationality - this, again, is your problem.
                Therefore, please: do not bring your personal problems as arguments. And then, judging by your comments, your intellect and worldview are not particularly different from those of our "Svidomo patriots". Mirror reflection, nothing more.
                1. ATATA
                  ATATA 16 November 2013 23: 52
                  +1
                  Quote: Cat
                  If you are not smart enough to distinguish history from history textbooks, these are your problems.

                  Thank you for your sincerity!
                2. ATATA
                  ATATA 17 November 2013 09: 04
                  +2
                  Quote: Cat
                  If you are not smart enough to distinguish history from history textbooks

                  Share your experience, how do you distinguish history from history in textbooks?
                  Have you lived for 1 years and have seen it all yourself?
      2. morpex
        morpex 17 November 2013 02: 27
        +1
        Quote: ATATA
        Nationality Ukrainian less than 100 years

        No need to smack nonsense! Argue what has been said ...
        I've already read here about ukromorozov and about Little Russians, and about proto-ukrov, and about okrointsy and many, many, many ... That's how the VelikoRussy "love" us, they came up with such "gentle and loving" names for the brotherly people! laughing It just touches ... I’m not offended .. Honestly .. My army nickname is Hahl. But when they start to talk about the history of Ukraine with a smart look, not knowing it, infuriates ... angry
        1. ATATA
          ATATA 17 November 2013 09: 02
          +2
          Quote: morpex
          Honestly .. My army nickname is Hakhl. But when they start to talk about the history of Ukraine with a smart look, not knowing it, it infuriates.

          And you drink valerian and calm down. You from what textbooks you taught history?
      3. kaper
        kaper 18 November 2013 02: 10
        0
        “Ukrainian nationality is less than 100 years old.” - he thought it up himself or Buzina suggested. And with the rest I agree- “you and the Russians have much more in common than differences. Our peoples shed blood together.” It’s not necessary to pass off what you really want to be true, and even more and with numbers from the ceiling.
      4. kaper
        kaper 18 November 2013 02: 17
        0
        You would rather write nonsense here than a textbook on the history of elementary grades opened, a simple example, in 1917, 95 years ago there was already a country called Ukraine.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 18 November 2013 03: 11
          +2
          Quote: kaper
          , 95 years ago there was already a country called Ukraine.

          Makhno proclaimed or Petliura?
          1. kaper
            kaper 18 November 2013 10: 17
            +1
            What's the difference who. As I understood the moderator in front of me, then the expression, not supported by anything "Ukrainian nationality is less than 100 years old. It was invented by the Zionist commissars" does not violate paragraph B of the rules of conduct on the site?
          2. kaper
            kaper 18 November 2013 10: 22
            0
            By the way, there is, as an example, that the words "Khokhlyandiya" also refer to those who kindle ethnic hatred. And there are many who have already been punished for this, even on this branch. And I humiliate other nations that humiliate a great nation. on the contrary.
    4. roleg69
      roleg69 16 November 2013 23: 41
      +6
      this is understood only by those who still studied under the Union, and now in Ukraine read textbooks (history or mov) for fun — the hair stands on end! Earlier this could be perceived as black humor, but now ... You don’t know what language he is something we Canadians teach us, it is still not clear who.
    5. So_o_tozh
      So_o_tozh 17 November 2013 03: 41
      -2
      The idea that Ukraine is not a country at all, but a part of the eee of a single whole, will be difficult to convey. How can I explain this? I can’t understand; I always felt the difference: this is my home, my country, and Russia. Although thanks to it, Ukraine may have reached its current size and population. But we are completely different from the Russians, when the Ukrainians earn money, then they become very good, they cannot be distinguished from the Russian, but they are still proud that they are Ukrainians. The only thing I see is the inability of Ukrainians to restore order at home, so we were constantly conquered, and then we rebelled. Those. it is necessary that either a fascist or a communist or a Viking would stand above us and just beat with a club, so that immediately there would be no desire to twitch off-topic))
  11. serezhasoldatow
    serezhasoldatow 16 November 2013 10: 05
    +5
    A soulful article, has become lighter in the soul
  12. pahom54
    pahom54 16 November 2013 10: 12
    10
    I do not think that there are few such residents of Ukraine as the author of the article ... This article is the reasoning of a sane person, not a raging zapadents. And I myself have the same opinion - by and large, no matter how our rulers bark, and the peoples of Russia-Ukraine_Belarus need unity. Together, we could have a fist that was powerful in ideological, economic and military terms, so much so that some would be afraid of us and yapping around the corner ...
  13. Larus
    Larus 16 November 2013 10: 20
    +5
    The article was written well, but for some reason the author tore us away from the Little Russians, as if they were a different people, different from us, although we were only separated by a couple of letters and a few Polish words, as well as a temporary border drawn along the living!
    1. ATATA
      ATATA 16 November 2013 16: 22
      +1
      Quote: Larus
      The article was written well, but for some reason the author tore us away from the Little Russians, as if they were a different people, different from us, although we were only separated by a couple of letters and a few Polish words, as well as a temporary border drawn along the living!
      good drinks
  14. morpogr
    morpogr 16 November 2013 11: 48
    +5
    Very good and competent article. I hope that common sense in Ukraine will win and we will again be a united people.
  15. Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 16 November 2013 12: 04
    +4
    Given the fact that Ukraine is drawn to Europe political elite of the country, it can be argued that not everything is lost. And if the detriment of such a development of events comes to the people of Ukraine, he will say his word. Every sane and predictable person does not imagine a gap and alienation between Ukrainians and Russians.
  16. Oleg Kharkov
    Oleg Kharkov 16 November 2013 12: 12
    +2
    About the Berlin Wall amused: taking into account the one who first began to build it unilaterally. On his side, of course, and free-will, that's just an unpleasant precipitate remains.
    1. avg
      avg 16 November 2013 13: 24
      +1
      Sorry, Oleg. Where does the information come from, and how old are you?
      1. Oleg Kharkov
        Oleg Kharkov 16 November 2013 16: 24
        -2
        Enough to draw conclusions yourself. The border with the Luhansk region, 2 thousand kilometers of barbed wire unilaterally from Russia, allegedly to combat illegal smuggling of local residents. But in practice, show the delights of European integration for Ukraine and their dissatisfaction with this fact for ordinary citizens. Actually it’s your business, of course — your land is your order. Although, of course, the thing is necessary — order is needed everywhere. It just seems to me that the effect will be the opposite of what was expected. The strange people are Slavs.
        1. fon_Stierlitz
          fon_Stierlitz 16 November 2013 19: 22
          +3
          I’ll tell you a terrible secret, but you don’t tell anyone - this thorn has been there since the collapse of the USSR, on both sides, both from Russian and Ukrainian. And, by the way, not at all along the border. And smugglers have been caught there for about 20 years, and it happened that criminals on such thorns were detained.
        2. Alekseev
          Alekseev 16 November 2013 20: 22
          +6
          Quote: Oleg Kharkov
          Borderland with the Luhansk region, 2 thousand kilometers of barbed wire unilaterally from Russia

          Something too long border with the Lugansk region! wassat 2000 km! However, from Novorossiysk to Moscow, it’s only 1500 ...
          It smacks of innuendo. yes
          Rђ RІRѕS,
          Quote: Oleg Kharkov
          the delights of European integration for Ukraine
          as recent statements, in particular by Prime Minister Azarov, show, were not at all a secret for those in power. But the media paid for the "wire" at the border and for the "bad" Putin.
          There is, as is now fashionable to say, a conflict of interest. People’s and personally selfish these very powerful.
          Simple and clear as God's day.
          1. regsSSSR
            regsSSSR 16 November 2013 22: 01
            +3
            Alekseev
            Something too long border with the Lugansk region! 2000 km! However, from Novorossiysk to Moscow, it’s only 1500 ...
            It smacks of innuendo.


            this is the whole length of the border between Ukraine and Russia, which is about 2000 km and even three hundred marine, and the length of the borders of Russia directly from the Lugansk region is 740 km
            The total land area of ​​the city within its borders is 28,6 thousand hectares. The length of the Lugansk section of the border with the Russian Federation is about 740 kilometers.
            1. Oleg Kharkov
              Oleg Kharkov 16 November 2013 22: 24
              -1
              Accepted. They did not block the entire land border of Russia with Ukraine (2000 km), but only with the Lugansk region (740 km). But what essentially changes this clarification? Local residents will go through the checkpoint on passports and through customs searches. Great. That's just that they will not add optimism to them. And love for fraternal Russia, too.
              1. 31231
                31231 16 November 2013 23: 12
                +2
                Accepted.


                You would like to thank the person for the educational program to say, and not to accept reports and amendments. Are you from the lords or something?
                1. Oleg Kharkov
                  Oleg Kharkov 17 November 2013 12: 08
                  -2
                  Peculiarities of information exchange in the environment, in the absence of bi-directional simultaneous communication, where information is "received" and "confirmed". But for you I will continue to explain myself more "clearly". Perhaps, if it's interesting.
              2. regsSSSR
                regsSSSR 16 November 2013 23: 41
                +1
                Quote: Oleg Kharkov
                Accepted. They did not block the entire land border of Russia with Ukraine (2000 km), but only with the Lugansk region (740 km). But what essentially changes this clarification? Local residents will go through the checkpoint on passports and through customs searches. Great. That's just that they will not add optimism to them. And love for fraternal Russia, too.


                I want to disappoint you, but here too a miss! The Lugansk border has not yet been blocked by all (at the moment), but only in places and in addition not only by the Russian border guards but also by the Ukrainian, including the taut wire of only about 3 km out of all 740, read it! and don’t panic but enter the vehicle and these 3 km will disappear right away like a nightmare surrounding residents)))

                "The barbed wire is being pulled not only from the Russian side, but also by our forces. For example, from the checkpoint we have blocked the left flank, and the right - the Russian border guards," Vitaliy Gordiychuk, a press officer of the Luhansk border detachment, told Segodnya. checkpoint, so that there is no transportation of contraband, as well as to exclude the transportation of weapons and drugs across the border, human trafficking.We have 746 kilometers of border with Russia in our region, and such measures in the form of a stretched wire are only about three kilometers. cover at least the most contrabandly active areas. "


                ps by the way, border posts and fences began to appear and with Belarus which wasn’t possible to spawn so draw conclusions
                1. Oleg Kharkov
                  Oleg Kharkov 17 November 2013 00: 44
                  0
                  Have already done. You forgot who always lived in Ukraine. Just from such an excursion into history. Pressure and threats (border closures, trade wars, etc.) never get anything from the Ukrainians. Such strange, freedom-loving, in some places, careless descendants of the Cossacks and other reckless comrades who fled from restrictions on Sich, Kuban and Siberia. I dare to assure you wimps were not there. So you can continue in the same spirit - time will judge.
                  1. regsSSSR
                    regsSSSR 17 November 2013 02: 19
                    +2
                    Oleg Kharkov
                    Have already done.


                    Before you write new nonsense, you at least take an interest and verify the veracity of the information, but you first wrote (I quote your words
                    Oleg Kharkov
                    Enough to draw conclusions yourself. Borderland with the Luhansk region, 2 thousand kilometers of barbed wire unilaterally from Russia

                    more...
                    Oleg Kharkov
                    Accepted. They did not block the entire land border of Russia with Ukraine (2000 km), but only with the Lugansk region (740 km).

                    in the end we have
                    regsSSSR
                    In our region, there are 746 kilometers of the border with Russia, and such measures in the form of a stretched wire are only about three kilometers. And it was established not only by Russia but also by UKRAINE

                    and where let me ask you, 1997 kilometers of barbed wire disappeared around Ukraine from your initial commentbelay really already steal))

                    conclusions: you inflated an elephant from a fly!

                    ps that’s all I wanted to say.
                    but tell me a story inappropriately, I certainly know it no worse than you
                    1. Oleg Kharkov
                      Oleg Kharkov 17 November 2013 12: 13
                      0
                      Fine. The mere fact that there is information in the media and in this article that is known to be contrary to validity does not bother you. Glad we understood each other. Thank you for confirming my guesses: the facts mean nothing to you. Thanks for communication.
                  2. vober
                    vober 21 November 2013 09: 34
                    0
                    "Pressure and threats (border closures, trade wars, etc.) will never get anything from the Ukrainians."
                    Just do not give out for free pressure freezing overlap. You want to be like everyone in the West, and pay how everyone in the West pays Russia (for energy, customs payments, etc.) And there aren’t enough pennies, so pass by. Where has it been seen that the buyer demanded a discount only on the grounds that he has no money?
              3. Misantrop
                Misantrop 16 November 2013 23: 55
                +3
                Quote: Oleg Kharkov
                That's just that they will not add optimism to them.
                Optimism was as long as they hoped for an open border with the EU countries with a leaky border with the Russian Federation. But how they broke it off, so optimism sharply diminished ...
        3. 31231
          31231 16 November 2013 23: 08
          +3
          The border with the Luhansk region, 2 thousand kilometers of barbed wire unilaterally from Russia, allegedly to combat illegal smuggling of local residents.


          Thank you smiled. It is a pity that geography is taught weakly in Ukraine.
          1. Oleg Kharkov
            Oleg Kharkov 17 November 2013 00: 36
            0
            If you want to hide the truth, find the little things and fan them to enormous proportions: then the main idea will be buried under a pile of nothing unimportant, non-essential details. I really don’t really care about the strange behavior of the Russian leadership. Nowhere to put budget money and please. He simply pointed out the inconsistency of the material of the article, the actual validity. At least with regard to the border. And to see or not to see obvious facts is everyone's personal business.
        4. wk-083
          wk-083 17 November 2013 02: 10
          +3
          Quote: Oleg Kharkov
          Enough to draw conclusions yourself. Borderland with the Luhansk region, 2 thousand kilometers of barbed wire

          Often I go to Russia for fishing and to friends, the thorn is invisible even on the horizon!
          1. Oleg Kharkov
            Oleg Kharkov 17 November 2013 02: 16
            0
            And what did you mean by that? Do you go all over the border of Ukraine with Russia, going fishing?
            1. Jogan-xnumx
              Jogan-xnumx 18 November 2013 01: 35
              +1
              Quote: Oleg Kharkov
              And what did you mean by that? Do you go all over the border of Ukraine with Russia, going fishing?

              Enough of lying already! What other thorn? Where did you see her? fool
              The last time I was at the end of August, together with my godfather went to his homeland in the village. Babichevo Trinity district of Lugansk region. The village, along with Lantratovka (like a suburb), is actually on the border with the Russian Federation. The border runs along a large spring, in some places a forest, a bush. The spring is good there and wild boars with hares in the fields graze. There was no spiny there! A dirt road leads to the village from Russia through the yar between the fields. On the side of the road, as usual, landing. And on the border itself, in the middle of this road lies a concrete block. ALL! No posts, spines, gearboxes, border guards, etc. Locals said that the border guards from both sides go there to hunt for wild boars when the season, as in, like, you can’t hunt in the border zone, and wild boars have bred and dig up people's gardens. We went with the godfather to the yar for spring water, and before that we still went there to hunt for hares. I myself come from the Kupyansky district, so the road from me actually lies along the border with the Russian Federation and no thorn.
              So there is no need to tryndet about 2000 or how many kilometers of obstacles there are! Did they walk along the entire border and measure a thorn? Next time, when we go, I will take a picture of this "border" especially for such stars. Well, we got these national-single-celled patriots already on the forums !!! am What they just do not suck out of their fingers to justify their farmer squalor! They themselves are scoffing at their own Ukraine in such a way that any invaders will shoot themselves with envy, and then they will also blame Russia to blame so as not to look like outspoken zrans. Well, there’s nobody else, but Europe down!
              1. kaper
                kaper 18 November 2013 02: 27
                -1
                Everyone sees what he wants. And about the pillars and barbed wire, this is not denied by the Russian border service. And of course, this "Berlin wall" will not grow in a day. So one fine day, there will be "no water, no hunting", be easy.
                1. Jogan-xnumx
                  Jogan-xnumx 18 November 2013 18: 22
                  +1
                  Quote: kaper
                  Everyone sees what he wants. And about the posts and the barbed wire, the Russian border service does not deny this.

                  Another "svidomy" got out ... How are you tired of your narrow-mindedness! fool Even if I jumped out of the skin from the desire to see there at the border of the pillars and thorns, I still would not see them. For the simple reason that they are not there! And there never was. Or for the sake of such "willing" I have to confirm the paranoia of the priest who wrote about 2000 km of thorns? Or be guided by the fact that the Russian border service "does not deny"? Well, how do you want this thorn to be there! "Once, on a wonderful day..." She is 22 years old, not 22 days. And in general it will not happen if you drive such people back to where you climbed from ... am
                  1. Oleg Kharkov
                    Oleg Kharkov 23 November 2013 10: 33
                    0
                    I will return your compliments about "narrow-mindedness" and "idiocy". Just because of people like you: “my house is on the edge, I don’t know anything” and “since this has not happened before, it will never happen” and the Soviet Union collapsed in due time. Now, on the sly, they are trying to fill up what they did not finish then. Has it ever occurred to you that it is not Ukraine that is fencing off from Russia, but that the occupation authorities of Russia are doing everything possible to alienate Ukraine? All the latest actions were aimed at precisely this. Trade wars, sabotage of high-tech joint Ukrainian-Russian projects. It is logical and correct to jointly preserve and develop the technologies we inherited from the Union, but contradicting the West's concept of making Ukraine a supplier of agricultural products, and Russia a supplier of hydrocarbons. Make the most of the natural resources of our countries and slow down as much as possible the development of high technologies that reduce our dependence on the West. I hope, very much hope that the process has not gone too far and that all these plans will crash against our Slavic unpredictability. Anyone who wants to - will see. And who wants to continue to live in a cozy little world limited by fishing, a border hole and a favorite site - his right and choice. But the outside world always knocks and breaks the peace of such little worlds, regardless of remoteness and isolation.
  17. alone
    alone 16 November 2013 12: 18
    11
    Another srach on the topic of Russian-Ukrainian relations.

    Congratulations to the fans of the Ukrainian team with a victory over France. good
    1. maxvet
      maxvet 16 November 2013 19: 55
      +2
      Yesterday I was rooting for Ukraine, I'm glad about the result !!! good drinks
      I want all the confrontation between Ukraine and Russia to be only on football / volleyball / tennis / hockey, etc. box or boxing ring
    2. morpex
      morpex 16 November 2013 21: 47
      +2
      Quote: lonely
      Congratulations to the fans of the Ukrainian team with a victory over France.

      Thanks buddy! drinks Ehh .. Organize now the championship of the former Soviet republics! Can you imagine some FORCE !!!
  18. Arkan
    Arkan 16 November 2013 12: 42
    +2
    The author is right, a good article urging us all to think about our fate and the fate of posterity. Look inside your soul, wake up all the good and bright that is left in it. To throw off the yoke of consumerism, which prevents us from breathing freely, to keep the spark of God. Do it and then we do not care about all this Western coma !!!!
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  20. Altona
    Altona 16 November 2013 13: 44
    +6
    It seems to me that Ukrainian politicians have not played enough in politics; come off in full, what’s called ... So they need everything in a new way, tear themselves away from Russia, get hooked, start working, they need to try all the apples like dishes from cockroaches in an exotic resort ... It’s not clear to me why eat a ladle, if enough to try a teaspoon?
  21. sashka
    sashka 16 November 2013 13: 52
    0
    http://www.bfm.ru/news/236573?doctype=news
    This is lovely. And Serdyukov and Chubais are generally not in "business" .. And the great just want to throw on the fan. He's white and fluffy .. I'm just fooling from freaks. Do you guys in the Kremlin smoke?
  22. not good
    not good 16 November 2013 14: 24
    +3
    To the great regret of the political elite of Ukraine, they do not care deeply about their citizens and their country. All this clown Ukrainian "political elite" is working off the money invested in it by local oligarchs and Western "advisers".
  23. Harmony
    Harmony 16 November 2013 14: 29
    +6
    Thank you for the article, otherwise I thought that all Ukrainians lost their head completely from anti-Russian sentiments, forgot their Slavic roots, and don’t understand where a friend who will never betray, abandon, encroach on the land, burn entire villages with children, and where an enemy who, no matter how beautifully looks and speaks, has been trying for several millennia to wipe us all off the face of the earth. The incitement of discord between Ukrainian and Russian people is a veiled his new aggression.
    1. kaper
      kaper 18 November 2013 02: 29
      0
      Plusanul you for "Inciting hatred between the Ukrainian and Russian people is his veiled new aggression", but he doesn’t do that for most of the local comments.
  24. Stinger
    Stinger 16 November 2013 14: 40
    +6
    After reading the article, you catch yourself thinking that we have something almost the same. And rewriting history, and leapfrog with monuments, and disregard for the opinion of scientists, and worship of other people's ideals. Yes, almost everything. The words of the author: "Russia is one of the few islands in the world where spiritual qualities are still in price, where the principle" man to man is a wolf "has not yet completely absorbed society, where you can still find amazing human responsiveness, sincerity, openness." fully apply to Ukraine. This must be protected first of all. We are of the same blood. No matter how hard they try to prove the opposite, politicians and politicians.
  25. m_o_r_o
    m_o_r_o 16 November 2013 15: 13
    +1
    good article +
  26. GRIGORY
    GRIGORY 16 November 2013 15: 24
    0
    Ukraine should geopolitically turn away from the west and turn east, and take an example
    For example, from Belarus. Ukraine needs a leader, for example A. Lukashenko or GDP.
  27. ymNIK1970
    ymNIK1970 16 November 2013 15: 32
    13
    People, wake up, AU !!! There are no Ukrainians. NO. NO. NO. NO. They simply do not exist in nature. There are Russians, Georgians, Bulgarians, Gagauzians, Jews, Armenians, Tatars, Chechens, Germans, Moldovans, rooms
    us, Roma, Poles, Arabs, Pashtuns, Azerbaijanis, half of Africa, and half of the world. And there is no such nationality Ukrainian. There is such a profession to sell the homeland, and they appropriated such localization for themselves. "I never cease to be amazed at the strange peculiarity of our Ukrainian mentality: to act not for the good, but in spite of!" The thief's hat is on fire. Or don't write without analytical skills. It is not a lie that is terrible, but a half-truth. Yes, we do not care about blue and orange, we want to live in a full-fledged state. For us, this is Russia. All. Dot.
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 16 November 2013 16: 02
      +8
      +++++ Adequate. And who set the minus? Probably Ukrainian.
    2. ATATA
      ATATA 16 November 2013 16: 24
      0
      Quote: ymNIK1970
      . And so the nationality Ukrainian - no. There is such a profession to sell the homeland

      BABY! drinks
    3. Sax
      Sax 16 November 2013 20: 47
      +4
      I am Ukrainian. And who are you?
      1. Misantrop
        Misantrop 17 November 2013 00: 01
        +1
        Quote: Sax
        I am Ukrainianfrost.

        And you have every chance of becomingfrost lol And the historical name of the ethnos "Little Russians" is now perceived almost as an insult. Maybe it's all about the particular mentality, when no matter how much you give, everything is SMALL? ... lol
        1. Cat
          Cat 17 November 2013 00: 46
          +5
          Quote: Misantrop
          And the historical name of the ethnos "Little Russians" is now perceived almost as an insult. Maybe it's all about the particular mentality, when no matter how much you give, everything is SMALL? ...

          there is one more, more ancient historical name - "xoxol". Who will not be able to offend me personally =)))
          But about the "Little Russians" ... the very name suggests the existence of "Great Russians" as well. What is considered to be, naturally, Russians. And here the most interesting thing begins: when Kievan Rus was already there - no one had ever heard of such Russians.
          The question arises: who, actually, "great", and who - "little"?
          The only correct answer - but FIG knows. These data have been lost, in the wilds of centuries of prosperity ... lost without a trace.
          Therefore, all the arguments on the topic - who is real and who is invented - I consider it to be banal. Which is done by people who did not have time to play enough of this game during a happy childhood. Well, or who, in infancy, are in this very childhood.
          1. Misantrop
            Misantrop 17 November 2013 01: 58
            +3
            Quote: Cat
            But about the "Little Russians" ... the very name suggests the existence of "Great Russians" as well.
            It’s strange why Belarusians don’t turn up their noses at their name? Indeed, according to this logic, all the other Slavs are nothing more than "black Russians" wassat
            Quote: Cat
            And here the most interesting part begins: when Kievan Rus was already there, no one had heard of any such Russians.
            The question arises: who, in fact, is "great" and who is "small"?
            The only correct answer - and FIG knows.
            IMHO the answer is wrong. It was then that it started, from Kievan Rus, which was precisely SMALL (i.e., close). Which then grew by peoples and territories, gradually becoming GREAT. Did you ever hear about the concept of "small homeland"? Here - the same thing, and no one is complex request

            But this is purely my opinion. For which they, most likely, will spit me out on all sides. I’ll go open the umbrella and put on the galoshes lol
            1. builder
              builder 17 November 2013 02: 10
              0
              Very interesting version (I like it) hi
            2. Corsair
              Corsair 18 November 2013 12: 36
              0
              Quote: Misantrop
              It’s strange why Belarusians don’t turn up their noses at their name? Indeed, according to this logic, all the other Slavs are nothing more than "black Russians"

              You say "Chernarus"? ...

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    4. morpex
      morpex 16 November 2013 21: 51
      +3
      Quote: ymNIK1970
      There are no Ukrainians. NO. NO. NO. NO.

      I am Ukrainian ! And proud of it! Negative! yes
      1. ATATA
        ATATA 16 November 2013 23: 49
        0
        Quote: morpex
        I am Ukrainian ! And proud of it! Negative!

        What language do you speak and think?
        And what are you proud of?
        Can I list it?
        1. morpex
          morpex 17 November 2013 01: 13
          +2
          Quote: ATATA
          What language do you speak and think?

          I am fluent in both of them. Both Russian and Ukrainian. The school graduated from Ukrainian, the university is already in Russian. For they did not teach another language at the universities ...
          Quote: ATATA
          And what are you proud of? Can I list it?

          I am proud of my Motherland. Is it necessary for this to list something?
          1. Misantrop
            Misantrop 17 November 2013 02: 03
            +1
            Quote: morpex
            The university is already in Russian. For they did not teach in another language at the universities ...
            Under Shelest, there was an attempt to transfer teaching at the Kiev Polytechnic from Russian to mov. After which he did not rise, having rolled down from one of the strongest technical universities of the planet to the level of a mediocre technical university ... sad
      2. Misantrop
        Misantrop 17 November 2013 00: 03
        +7
        Quote: morpex
        I am Ukrainian ! And proud of it!

        There is nothing special to be proud or ashamed of. Just a feature, like eye color, is NOT dependent on the person himself. But enemies, like friends, everyone chooses for himself request
        1. Cat
          Cat 17 November 2013 00: 13
          +3
          Quote: Misantrop
          Quote: morpex
          I am Ukrainian ! And proud of it!

          There is nothing special to be proud or ashamed of. Just a feature, like eye color, is NOT dependent on the person himself. But enemies, like friends, everyone chooses for himself request

          100500
          Nationality - they do not choose it, they receive it at birth. Yes, if you wish, you can change it, such as cosmetic surgery - but such a person will look plastic.
          Therefore, I do not digest those who reproach others with their nationality - and consider themselves to be superior, without any merit, solely by birthright.
          1. morpex
            morpex 17 November 2013 01: 19
            +1
            Quote: Cat
            Therefore, I do not digest those who reproach others with their nationality -

            So am I about the same ... hi
        2. morpex
          morpex 17 November 2013 01: 17
          +1
          Quote: Misantrop
          There is nothing special to be proud or ashamed of.

          Well, everyone has their own point of view. You do not keep mine, I am yours. This is normal. But I do not like cosmopolitans.
          Quote: Misantrop
          But enemies, like friends, everyone chooses for himself

          The thought is correct, but from which side it belongs to that. what did I say?
          1. Misantrop
            Misantrop 17 November 2013 02: 11
            +1
            Quote: morpex
            But I do not like cosmopolitans.
            Cosmopolitan - IMHO is actually a complete egoist, covering his own selfish interests and indifference to the rest with beautiful reasoning. Nobody loves them, just like they are just physically incapable of loving someone other than themselves. And to be a patriot exclusively in Crimea, Ukraine, Belarus or the Russian Federation is IMHO how to exalt a single tooth in one’s own jaw. No matter how white, sharp, beautiful and strong, he will not be able to chew them alone request It’s easy to scratch your own tongue or lips. Especially if, for all its beauty, it sticks out crookedly ...

            So am I proud or ashamed of one of my grandfathers? By the fact that he was born and raised in Crimea, he fought first in the partisan detachment, and then in the Red Army until the Victory. And, returning to the Massandra in the Crimea, he went from a simple driver to the deputy general director. That's just on the passport he was ... a Pole. That is why they tried to push him into the then-formed 1st Polish (he refused CATERORICALLY where to go, almost did not reach the tribunal). To be proud of him, or to be ashamed of the entries in his then passport? Or maybe, taking advantage of this, try to straighten out Polish citizenship in order to rush to Europe ahead of everyone else? what
            1. morpex
              morpex 17 November 2013 14: 40
              +3
              Quote: Misantrop
              So am I proud or ashamed of one of my grandfathers?

              Definitely proud! My situation is almost the same. Grandfather of a native Volyn. Does this mean something to you? Since 17, having hidden his age, in 41, he went to the front as a volunteer. Having won the Nazis, he drove Bandera’s soldiers before 48, by the way, also in Vlynya. you’re in vain. Where the person was born and where he was formed as a person - that’s where his homeland is. I think so ...
      3. Uncle lee
        Uncle lee 17 November 2013 11: 25
        +9
        Well done ! Everyone has their own pride!
    5. roleg69
      roleg69 16 November 2013 23: 17
      0
      all 100 about Ukraine
      1. Uncle lee
        Uncle lee 17 November 2013 12: 03
        10
        And not only about Ukraine, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Russia, etc. .... There was more pride for the USSR drinks
    6. Jogan-xnumx
      Jogan-xnumx 18 November 2013 01: 45
      -1
      Quote: ymNIK1970
      People, wake up, AU !!! There are no Ukrainians. NO. NO. NO. NO. They simply do not exist in nature.

      ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
      Exceptionally correct !!! good I support at 100%! hi
    7. kaper
      kaper 18 November 2013 02: 31
      0
      "There are no Ukrainians" yeah, but I'm a ghost here.
      1. Jogan-xnumx
        Jogan-xnumx 18 November 2013 17: 45
        +1
        Quote: kaper
        "There are no Ukrainians" yeah, but I'm a ghost here.

        You, sir, a lost sheep, no more. request Teach materiel meticulously and think with your own head, and not with Natsik’s slogans. hi
      2. Gecko
        Gecko 26 November 2013 23: 32
        0
        For people like you have a name - a separatist.
  28. vuvarovskiy
    vuvarovskiy 16 November 2013 16: 46
    +2
    Two fraternal peoples! We have survived so many misfortunes and sorrows together, and now we are running from each other to Europe, but do we need her ??? Thanks to the author! The article is wonderful !!!
  29. Altona
    Altona 16 November 2013 16: 52
    +1
    On the website Oles Buzina wrote an article "How to get to Krut", it says about everything ... Even about the fact that no Ukrainians in nature existed less than a hundred years ago ...
    1. morpex
      morpex 17 November 2013 01: 32
      0
      Quote: Altona
      Oles Buzin wrote on the site

      Do you really believe this hack? I sympathize. Now ask the Russians why they brought Shuster and Kiselev from Russia? They will tell you. Buzin is worse than these two taken ... So an argument like “Buzin wrote” is not an argument for me ...
  30. Vlad_Mir
    Vlad_Mir 16 November 2013 17: 19
    0
    You can write a lot! But everything is much easier! The common people have simple (primitive) needs! And this simple (primitive) people decided that these simple (primitive) needs of theirs were easier to implement in the West! Most of the information is perceived by the eyes! Outwardly, the CU countries do not yet look like the EU countries! Why should a primitive go into the analysis of the depth of the soul of a Russian or a Belarusian? The country is ruled by selfishness! Nobody thinks about the prosperity of Ukraine as a state! Everyone thinks only about their own benefit! I am sure that 75% dream of getting out of the country altogether! No wonder they say: "My hut is on the edge, I don't know anything"!
  31. Rattenfanger
    Rattenfanger 16 November 2013 17: 24
    +1
    Hmm ... "Svidomity" author on the stake will now try to send.
    Article "+".
  32. kaktus
    kaktus 16 November 2013 18: 26
    +3
    Juvenile justice is also gaining strength in Europe am People, change your mind! stop If you’re not sorry, think about the children!
  33. EdwardTich68
    EdwardTich68 16 November 2013 19: 48
    0
    There are, there are still people who are thinking. I would like to put a plus article, but unfortunately I do not know how to do this.
  34. Boris63
    Boris63 16 November 2013 20: 28
    +3
    I already wrote in one of the comments on Ukraine that Yanukovych can "achieve" the option: left bank - right bank, although this is a big extreme. Russia and Ukraine (Little Russia) are one people, with a few exceptions, so we must negotiate among ourselves without building contrived obstacles and not involving our common enemies, the EU, in "mediation".
  35. Nightfly
    Nightfly 16 November 2013 20: 38
    +1
    there are no dentists at all.
    But this is terrible. How does Putin’s daughter treat teeth in spiritless Europe? In Moscow, in the clinic number 4 dangles?
    1. roleg69
      roleg69 16 November 2013 23: 23
      +3
      And you ask simple hard workers who work in Europe, they will tell you, if you married ours, then many will come to us to treat their teeth
  36. Sax
    Sax 16 November 2013 20: 45
    +1
    ... "Russia is one of the few islands in the world where spiritual qualities are still valuable, where the principle of" man to man is a wolf "has not yet completely absorbed society, where you can still find amazing human responsiveness, sincerity, openness."

    Well then: it is.
    But I, as a person living in Ukraine from birth, can say: to a person
    working for Medvedchuk, as for me, can’t be trusted.

    "And knowing this, I want to ask all of us one question: let's say, it's 2016, we built a new Berlin Wall on the Russian-Ukrainian border, through which even a mouse won't slip through, turned off all Moscow TV channels and Internet portals, sent everyone out of the country. who have relatives living in Russia,
    They deleted from history textbooks any mention of this country, banned all Russian literature, music and cinema, abandoned Russian gas and returned to firewood - in this case, will we be happy and prosperous? To everyone who thinks so, I suggest hitchhiking from Hamburg to Naples "

    The person who wrote this stamp on his forehead: "I AM THE PROVOCATOR!"
    1. morpex
      morpex 17 November 2013 01: 40
      +3
      Quote: Sax
      But I, as a person living in Ukraine from birth, can say: as I see, a person working for Medvedchuk cannot be trusted.

      Quote: Sax
      The person who wrote this stamp on his forehead: "I AM THE PROVOCATOR!"

      That's it! The key here is BEAR! One of those wolves that at one time tore Ukraine apart. Quietly stayed in a hole, changed owners and again pops up. Tell me who your friend is and tell you who you are ...
      1. Nightfly
        Nightfly 17 November 2013 11: 20
        +4
        Tell me who your friend is and I’ll tell you who you are ...
        Tell me who’s godfather to his daughter - more precisely winked http://lifenews.ru/#!news/97046
  37. Sax
    Sax 16 November 2013 20: 54
    0
    And where is my koment 5 minutes ago recourse? recourse
  38. regsSSSR
    regsSSSR 16 November 2013 22: 20
    +3
    And knowing this, I want to ask all of us one question: for example, it was 2016 that all Moscow TV channels and Internet portals were turned off, they sent all the people with relatives in Russia from the country,


    etozhzh how many people need to be evicted belay in Ukraine, then, Bendera alone will remain laughing Is it not better then to send recent vehicles to the EU)) it will be much easier to do and for all it will be better!
    1. roleg69
      roleg69 16 November 2013 23: 30
      +1
      Yes, they are not needed there either
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  40. vvkroxa
    vvkroxa 16 November 2013 23: 03
    0
    In relations with Russia, Ukraine resembles a divorced wife - when the ex says that he can support himself now, he is offended, demands something out of habit, reacts very nervously to the solution of some common problem, in the spirit of “oh, you want it like that !? And I will torture everyone in spite like this, including myself, but if only you don't feel good! " It seems like a new boor has appeared in the face of a Gayropean, now you have to turn - facing Geyrope - butt looks to Russia, on the contrary, it will turn backwards to Gayropeans ... Although they are more and more satisfied with this body position laughing
    1. Sax
      Sax 17 November 2013 00: 51
      +1
      Are you talking about all Europeans? By the way, P.I. Tchaikovsky was also a European in your "sense", but he is still considered, and rightfully so, a GREAT Russian composer. And not only him. hi
      1. vober
        vober 21 November 2013 09: 39
        0
        No need to smear, without understanding, Pyotr Ilyich!
  41. vahatak
    vahatak 17 November 2013 01: 33
    +2
    It seems I'm the only one (first) who set the minus. What can I say? I do not like toadies. If you are a supporter of an alliance with Russia (like me, for example), fine, but what does it have to do with the sincerity that other countries supposedly do not have, and European values ​​in quotes? Such things are determined by political interests, not abstract concepts.
  42. wk-083
    wk-083 17 November 2013 02: 25
    -1
    Good article! + good
  43. Silverstoun
    Silverstoun 17 November 2013 06: 47
    +2
    it seems to me that the man poured out his soul in this article, his pain for the nation, and as for the nationalization of Ukraine, it’s the corrupt and paid politicians who are to blame for such as under Stalin’s wall ... but the article and the author bow deep and of course tremendous +
  44. akm8226
    akm8226 17 November 2013 11: 03
    +1
    So I look at you all and a strange thought does not leave me. Why, as soon as it comes to Ukraine, it’s as panic as breaking the chain? Strange, but for Ukrainians there is one correct opinion - theirs. And they will not recognize any others. And yet - no offense be told to the citizens of Ukraine but, as soon as the Svidomo Ukrainian appears on the forum (any), this means that begins, sorry, mess . Here is the whole discussion above, an example of this - squabbles began, references to relatives, nationality, and so on ... thank God that without a mat, so I don’t participate in such disassemblies; they want to break their forehead in a pan - I beg you. But without me.
  45. D_L
    D_L 17 November 2013 17: 39
    +2
    Well done author. Ukraine without Russia, like Russia without Ukraine, will be bad.
  46. Sax
    Sax 17 November 2013 23: 50
    0
    Oh, and by the way, where in the world press and other mass media can one find mention of S. Glazyev as a world-famous scientist. I would be very grateful for the help hi
    1. kaper
      kaper 18 November 2013 02: 03
      -1
      He is so worried about Ukrainian industry if Ukraine signs the association, which even forgets about the main work of the adviser to the president of Russia - advising Putin that high gas prices for Ukraine have already dug this industry.
      1. Gecko
        Gecko 26 November 2013 23: 35
        +1
        You yourself wanted gas at market prices.
  47. kaper
    kaper 18 November 2013 01: 59
    0
    There is a lot of nonsense, but about teeth, then for fools. The author writes that there are no dentists in Italy, Spain, Portugal. Impress that he was not there, but simply concludes that everyone who went there, works there, has honey. he treats teeth insurance in Ukraine. And the answer is simple, dental treatment does not include honey insurance. Then you had to write that there are no plastic surgeons, there are many who want it from the West, such operations are done in Ukraine. And all the same.
  48. Portugalez
    Portugalez 18 November 2013 14: 24
    +1
    About the soulfulness of the Russians, everything is correct, only such soulful Russians in Russia are less and less. It is not true about Portugal - there are many Brazilians and Hindus, but - 1. this is due to the historical location of Portugal and its former countries, 2. unlike Moscow and many other European capitals, the majority of dark-skinned people here are not sources of crime, 3. Portuguese are people of all colors very friendly and non-malevolent (unlike the current Russians in most of them), 4. in a small resort town where I live, dentists are found on almost every street. He himself removed the tooth in a new large clinic - for locals free of charge, for me - 70 euros for all procedures with x-rays and frosts. Muscovites in general can be called Russian only conditionally - envy, show off, anger, aggression, laziness - unfortunately became their dominant features. And Khokhlov (this is not a curse - I’m family-friendly, I’m a third myself) sincerely sorry! It’s hard for them now, they will join the EU (I’ve been in it for several days), it will be even harder for them! God help us all!
  49. Kharkov citizen
    Kharkov citizen 18 November 2013 17: 47
    +1
    It’s a perfectly correct article, it is sad to watch how exactly those good character traits characteristic of Orthodox Slavs etch from our children, subordinating all thoughts to making money. But I think Ukraine will fall apart rather than converge with the EU.
  50. Cormorants
    Cormorants 19 November 2013 12: 35
    +2
    Greetings from Siberia and especially warm greetings to Moscow, certainly not to the third Rome, but to the second Babylon. The intelligentsia in Moscow is all rotten (there is still at least something left in St. Petersburg), you look, you read our "intellectuals" inside, only emptiness remains. All Moscow has forgotten at the expense of whom it is all so beautiful and modern, it really annoys me. You really do not make Siberia angry there in Moscow, otherwise piz..ts will come to you harsh and harsh.
    You need to change for the better, do not forget that we live in one country, and we need to work for the good of one country, and you sit in Moscow liberals fucking and want everything Russian and Slavic, you don’t know that the same people live under your nose, be easier gentlemen Muscovites. You must be a model for those who are aligned, and you represent a miserable sight.
    Ukraine we are always with you, no matter what happens we are all the same brothers and do not judge Russia only by Muscovites.