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Legends and myths about NATO

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Legends and myths about NATOAnti-Western paranoia has long ago acquired the character of a severe collective mental illness in Russia, and the conspiracy based on this paranoia will probably soon become an official science (along with astrology). The organization of absolutely all revolutions and even natural disasters is attributed to the West. The fact that revolutions, not to mention natural disasters, happened in an era when the West simply did not exist in its current understanding, is now not taken into consideration. All-Russian paranoia contributes, in addition to targeted official propaganda, a catastrophic drop in the level of science and education. This allows the fighters with the "intrigues of imperialism" to act within the framework of the installation "if theory contradicts the facts, so much the worse for the facts." This installation is always done.


For example, our point of view is quite popular that the START-3 agreement, signed between Moscow and Washington in 2010, “disarms” Russia. Meanwhile, among all the “disarmament” treaties, START-3 is unique in that it is an agreement on the unilateral voluntary disarmament of the United States, since they are obliged to reduce their nuclear deterrence forces, and we can even increase them. In addition, within its framework, Russia removed the most important restrictions that existed in previous agreements - on the size of the deployment areas of mobile ICBMs, on the number of multiply charged ICBMs, on the possibility of creating railway ICBMs. Russia did not make any concessions. This amazing altruism from the United States is explained very simply: in exchange for START-3, Moscow refused to supply C-300P to Iran.

Nevertheless, our officials, right up to the highest, regularly demonstrate frightening inadequacies, threatening Washington with an exit from START-3. In fact, they may threaten us with such a measure, and not we. By the way, Republicans regularly start talking about the fact that the United States must withdraw from the treaty, since it restricts only the United States.

WHO IS STRONGER

As of 1 June 2011, when the first exchange of information took place within the framework of START-3, Russia had 521 deployed and 344 non-deployed media and 1537 deployed warheads. As of 1 September 2013 of the year (the latest exchange of information at the moment), we have 473 deployed and 421 unwrapped media and 1400 deployed warheads. That is, our strategic nuclear forces continue to decline, and this only underlines the absurdity of talking about the fact that START-3 “disarms” us. We are disarming ourselves, and the treaty today allows us to add 227 (!) Deployed carriers and 150 warheads. Alas, it is unreal. MBR UR-100, P-36М2, RT-2PM, SLBM P-29P are written off much faster than they are produced, and go to the troops RT-2PM2, PC-24 and P-30 unclear). In this case, a significant part of the withdrawn missiles are multiply-charged, and those entering the armament are single-block or “low-charged”, that is, the number of warheads is reduced even faster than the number of missiles. Airplanes generally leave without replacement.

Just for comparison: the US 1 June 2011 of the year had 882 deployed and 242 non-deployed media and 1800 deployed warheads. By 1 September 2013, 809 deployed and 206 non-deployed media and 1688 deployed warheads remained. That is, they still need to shrink, and we can already expand. Just does not work. However, articles about our “disarmament” regularly appear in our media, including specialized ones.

Or another example. In connection with him, I would like to once again remind you that waging a normal war without tanks impossible. This common truth has to be repeated because the tank is regularly "buried", stating that it is "out of date". These statements contain a deep internal contradiction, which for some reason no one notices. From the point of view of the “grave diggers” of the tank, it was “out of date” because it became too vulnerable, no other “charges” were brought against the tank. Indeed, billions of dollars are invested in the development of anti-tank weapons around the world, and there are many of them. The fact, however, is that any other class of ground equipment is one to two orders of magnitude more vulnerable than a tank. If the tank is "out of date" due to vulnerability, then a land war can no longer be fought at all. What can hardly be discussed seriously. Nothing comparable to a tank, in terms of combining firepower, mobility and security, is not and never will be. If we are talking about the classic war "army against the army" with the occupation of enemy territory, then it is impossible to do without tanks. What has shown all the classic wars not only of the twentieth, but also the beginning of the twenty-first century. For example, both Iraqi wars, where the United States did not neglect the Abrams. On the contrary, Abrams on a bridge in the center of Baghdad on April 9, 2003 became a symbol of the collapse of the Hussein regime. In the course of the first Iraq war, the United States deployed nearly 2 Abrams, and during the second, about a thousand.

By the beginning of the 90, the USA had 5,9 thousand tanks in Europe. At the beginning of this year, the last Abrams fell from Europe to the States. Following them, which is no less significant, the main means of fighting tanks, the A-10 attack aircraft, also went from there. Both the Abrams and A-10 left Europe without any replacement. This means that the United States, which now accounts for roughly 75% of NATO’s total combat power, is not going to wage any war in Europe, neither aggressive nor defensive.

The overwhelming majority of our media tried to avoid such an unpleasant event in silence, because these facts are extremely difficult to fit into the traditional theory. Nevertheless, even in this difficult situation there were people who were truly inflexible (“make nails out of these people”). Thus, an article appeared in one of the online publications that the withdrawal of tanks and attack aircraft from Europe to the States confirms that the USA is increasingly surrounding Russia with a ring of its bases and troops. I do not exaggerate, so it was written.

NATO BASES AROUND RUSSIA NO

About the ring of bases and troops, which we are steadily surrounding us, is constantly being written, however, on this occasion neither the names of the bases, nor the composition of the groups placed on them are ever given. This is not surprising, since there has never been any NATO base around Russia, and therefore it is not possible to cite examples. True, in 2012, in this regard, paranoid conspiracy theories almost had real happiness: the NATO base arose right inside Russia!

Even against the general background of paranoia, last year’s hysteria about the “NATO base in Ulyanovsk” was particularly intense. On few occasions the conspiracy rage was so concentrated. We must pay tribute to our leadership - it did not succumb to hysteria and provided a "base". For it is quite reasonable to get money from NATO for the “return transit” from Afghanistan (the Ulyanovsk facility could not be used for anything else by definition). But here the principles of “business in Russian” have already worked, which consist in the fact that prices always rise and never decrease. We'd better go broke, but we won't give a penny to our competitors. As a result, a much longer and more dangerous "southern" route through Pakistan turned out to be more beneficial for NATO than a short and absolutely safe "northern" route through Russia. Moscow has too much price for transit, and is not ready to give a cent, although it does not receive anything at all.

By the way, if NATO members really needed to “cling” to an object in Russia, as we were explained in the framework of last year’s hysteria, they probably wouldn’t have looked at the price. But the trouble is that the damned imperialists needed only transit. And they did not cling to the Kyrgyz Manas, the base will be completely collapsed and moved to Romania.

There is, however, an object on Earth about which anti-scientific delusions were written much more than about the “NATO base in Ulyanovsk”. This is the notorious HAARP (High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program, high frequency exposure ionosphere research program) in Alaska. From the point of view of paranoid conspiracy theories, it is simultaneously climatic, geophysical and psychotronic weapons, as well as the most important means of missile defense. The fact that all this is absolute absurdity from the point of view of physics (at least because of the insignificant energy possibilities of HAARP) does not bother anyone, because, in fact, why do we need physics? Instead, there is now propaganda and religion, which is quite enough for a citizen of sovereign-democratic Russia. Although, in fact, there may be some truth about psychotronic weapons - HAARP clearly caused severe attacks of paranoia among those who are susceptible to it.

But a terrible thing happened recently: in July, the facility was closed due to the termination of its funding. That is, the most valuable weapon for the United States has run out of money. Of course, domestic media have bypassed this event with absolute silence. Apparently, in the hope that Washington will come to its senses and renew the financing of HAARP, that is, automatically - and paranoids. There is some hope that the DARPA (Agency for Advanced Military Research) will save the miracle weapon, but for some reason it also does not show interest.

WHERE WAS ARAB SPRING

The real American-style policy is oil, gas, and the power of weapons.

Of course, in Russia it is considered an axiom that the “Arab Spring” is completely organized by the West, first of all, of course, the USA. At the same time, after almost three years since its inception, it is completely impossible to understand what practical benefit the "spring" gained (or at least wanted to extract) the West? Unfortunately, there is not even a hint of an answer to this very simple question. There is nothing to argue with. At least, the “controlled chaos theory” is not suitable for discussion, because its supporters clearly do not understand its supporters themselves, judging by what they write on this topic (the number of internal contradictions of this “theory” exceeds all conceivable limits). The only option for a specific answer is the magic word "oil".

It is not customary to object to this word at all, although a question arises here: what is oil?

The fact is that today the only true religion for almost all Russians is money. Therefore, they judge everyone by themselves and everywhere look for an economic background. And since our money is taken almost exclusively from oil and gas, the background is sought for oil and gas.

However, as applied to the “Arab Spring”, it somehow does not add up with oil. Of the five countries affected by the “spring” in four (Tunisia, Egypt, Yemen, Syria) there is either no oil at all or it is negligible. Before the 2011, Libyan oil was produced mainly by Western companies and was almost completely exported to the West. Accordingly, “capture” it was somehow strange. By the way, as a result of the war, the situation in this sense deteriorated markedly due to the chaos that began in the country. Dropped volumes and production, and exports. Interestingly, the Western aggressors do nothing to remedy this situation, not sending not only regular troops to Libya, but even PMCs (private military companies) to protect wells and pipelines, although from the point of view of conspiratorologists, this was the main goal of NATO members, and nothing prevents them from reaching that goal now.

In general, “seizing oil”, while carrying huge military expenditures, is pointless simply because the main goal of oil-producing countries is to sell as much of this oil as possible, and it is best of all to the West. On the other hand, for at least 10 years, the United States has been purposefully working to increase its own oil production and, accordingly, to reduce imports. And first of all, imports are declining precisely from the Gulf region, this is the official strategy of Washington. Therefore, the entire oil version of the actions of the West is nothing more than another paranoid delusion. And especially - with reference to the "Arab spring".

In this regard, you can move back to 10 years ago and recall the US invasion of Iraq in the 2003 year. Of course, the Americans also "seized the oil." However, taking into account the cost of a military operation, oil purchased by Americans in Iraq after 2003, cost them at least seven times more expensive than oil purchased from Hussein in 1996 – 2002. Very unusual to get "capture." Even more unusual is that today in Iraq, American oil companies produce less than 20% of local oil.

By the way, paranoid-conspiracy therapists explained to us that the Americans not only captured Iraqi oil, but also installed a puppet regime in Baghdad and would create many military bases in Iraq. Indeed, the US wanted to keep military bases in Iraq after the withdrawal of the main contingent in 4. But the “puppet” of Nuri al-Maliki (Prime Minister of Iraq) categorically refused to grant American military personnel immunity from prosecution under local laws. And the Americans did not remove the "puppet" from power. They wiped themselves off and left Iraq completely, leaving no bases there. And now Iraq serves as a “link” between Iran and Syria. It is through Iraq, with the full consent of his leadership, that Iran’s weapons and the IRGC soldiers are sent to help Assad. Washington is very indignant at this fact, but it doesn’t care at all about the “puppet”. In addition, the "puppet" is now going to buy Russian weapons in much larger quantities than the US.

WEAK AMERICA AND EUROPE

Let's return to the “Arab spring”. If the economic benefit from it is not visible to the West, then there is nothing at all to say about the political side. Serious Western researchers have long recognized that the “Arab Spring” has become a real geopolitical catastrophe for the West. He never received such a crushing blow to his positions in this region of the planet.

Nevertheless, the version of the Western conspiracy is dominant not only in Russia, but also in the Middle East itself. Therefore, for example, the Americans in recent months have revealed such an interesting and sad phenomenon for them: both of the opposing camps in Egypt (both the “Muslim Brotherhood” and the military and the supporting secular population) are absolutely sure that Washington is on the side their opponents. As a result, America in this country is now hated by everyone.

At the same time, America, like Europe, in fact, has long and hopelessly entangled in what is happening and the further, the less they understand what to do. In Western politics (if there is one at all) there is a growing contradiction between ideology and pragmatism. The first demands to support the “insurgent people fighting for democracy”, the second - “executioners and suppressors of freedom”. The more radical freedom fighters among the “fighters for freedom and democracy”, the stronger the contradictions.

However, Europe has almost completely deprived itself of the ability to exert coercive pressure on other countries (due to repeated reductions in the Armed Forces), the EU economy is in a severe crisis. These circumstances make it impossible to engage in real politics. Therefore, Europe easily makes a choice in favor of ideology, that is, it supports “freedom fighters”. The Islamists in Syria can commit absolutely any, the most brutal crimes, the support of Europe is guaranteed to them in any case (though almost exclusively verbal). And in Egypt, the Muslim Brotherhood can at least be morally consoled - Europe with them (also, however, only verbally).

Washington is harder. He still has the most powerful power tool in the face of the most powerful aircraft in the world. And the US economy, in spite of everything, remains the first in the world. On the other hand, ideological attitudes are very strong here. The youngest of all developed nations, America has absolutized its historical experience, its political and economic system. The Americans are sincerely convinced that their mission is to carry it to all of humanity, because it only awaits this. Some American intellectuals, including the military, who have choked on Iraq and Afghanistan, understand that this ardent missionary work, to put it mildly, is not always justified, but no one wants to listen to them yet. On the other hand, extreme pragmatism is inherent in Americans no less than idealism. And pragmatism makes us constantly remember real politics. Only now it is far from always possible to combine them with missionary work.

As a result, Washington seems to fully support the Syrian rebel thugs, but does not give them weapons. He, as it were, condemns the “disproportionate use of force” by the Egyptian military, but does not want to call their actions a coup (although it is precisely they who carried out the coup). Only as a result of this policy, what has been said above is obtained - everyone is starting to hate America.

AXIS OF EVIL AND GOOD

The recent situation with the "use of chemical weapons in Syria" has become, perhaps, the quintessence of Western policy, which, of course, we have not seen again for another deafening hysteria on the topic "the imperialists are ready to tear apart one more sovereign state" and "the next will be Russia." Meanwhile, the West has surpassed itself. First, the traditional extrajudicial decision was made in the true Stalinist traditions - Assad was found guilty without any evidence at all (even the fact that the use of chemical weapons in the suburbs of Damascus took place in general). The West has long been making such extrajudicial decisions that do not require evidence and are not subject to appeal. Of course, it was announced that Assad had "crossed the red line", that is, he would be attacked. After that, it turned out that the grouping, at least for a purely air operation (there was never even a speech about the ground operation) according to the Yugoslav or Libyan type, had not even begun to be created. Its creation will take a lot of time and money, of which there is no. And how much money will be spent on the operation itself and what consequences can it lead to ...

In general, everyone began, in modern terms, to “jump off”. And the first to do this were the traditional close allies of Washington - London and Ottawa. Only Turkey continued to demand a full-scale, including ground-based, operation, although it itself, having a long border with Syria, for some reason did not start either. France also declared that it would definitely strike in Syria, but only with the United States, since it alone would not have enough strength. The remaining 25 countries of the alliance refused to participate in the operation categorically (although many supported it politically). Obama didn’t thunder and lightning for several days, but he didn’t make any practical preparations for the operation. Not a single wing (or at least a squadron) of the US Air Force arrived in the Middle East, not a single US Navy aircraft carrier appeared in the Mediterranean. It was then that Moscow arrived in time with its initiative regarding the Syrian chemical weapons. So on time that Washington Moscow openly and honestly thanked for saving from the war.

After this tragifarse, only a completely inadequate person can see in NATO a potential threat to Russia. NATO is not ready to fight even with countries that are much weaker. But, as noted above, if a theory contradicts the facts, so much the worse for the facts.

A very interesting article was published in one of the American newspapers a few months ago. It said that the Russians had long outsmarted themselves, or rather, they do it all the time: they are sure that the Americans are very clever and are constantly conspiring against them. And the Russians in no way want to see the obvious: American foreign policy is simply complete incompetence, aggravated by a tough constant struggle between Republicans and Democrats.

Alas, the Russians really do not want to see the obvious facts, even if they lie on the surface. Paranoia and conspiracy are much more interesting.

At the same time, inflating the myth of the tremendous military power and the aggressive nature of NATO brings Russia absolutely concrete harm. The point is not even in fooling one’s own population (this is the goal of any propaganda, it’s not going anywhere), but in the myth that many people believe, including in the post-Soviet space. But they just do not those conclusions. They still believe that NATO can guarantee them something and protect them from someone. And once it brought to war. If it were not for Saakashvili’s sincere faith in the power of NATO, he would not have launched the August 2008 adventure. No lessons from this are drawn anywhere. Instead of fairy tales about how NATO “restored the military power of Georgia” (this is a direct lie), one could show the example of those events: NATO will not lift a finger and not shed a single drop of the blood of its soldiers and officers to protect post-Soviet states. But we ourselves create problems: after all, even the countries of the CSTO are often trying to sit on two chairs, seeing in Brussels and Washington a possible alternative to Moscow. By the way, they damage their own security, hoping for help, which will never happen under any circumstances.

In a broader sense of Russia, it’s time to seriously get away from Western-centric thinking, which affects more than 90% of the population, including almost the entire elite. For most, the West is the Absolute Evil, which must be resisted for the sake of confrontation, regardless of whether it is in opposition to Russia's national interests. For the minority, the West is the Absolute Good, to which Russia must dissolve, and the very notion “national interests of Russia” should be equated with profanity.

Meanwhile, the West is neither Absolute Evil nor Absolute Good. He is just a part of human civilization. And this part actually for a long time dominated the rest of the parts. But right now, it would seem, having achieved its absolute victory (“the end of history”), this dominance is rapidly losing. This phenomenon deserves serious study. But it is much more convenient for Western centrists of both varieties to continue to consider the West an absolute hegemon, although it has long ceased to be such.
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  1. Canep
    Canep 16 November 2013 07: 13
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    Meanwhile, the West is neither Absolute Evil nor Absolute Good. He is just a part of human civilization.

    The author is clearly trying to whiten the west. Hiroshima and Nagasaki, chemical weapons in Vietnam, depleted uranium in Iraq, these are only acts of direct use of WMD, this does not seem to count to the author. And loans to African countries, the West killed by famine no less than the people.
    Anti-Western paranoia has long acquired the character of a severe collective mental illness in Russia, and conspiracy theology based on this paranoia will probably soon become an official science (along with astrology).
    after that it became clear to me what the article would be about
    1. T-100
      T-100 16 November 2013 07: 32
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      AT THE END I WOULD STILL HAPPEN HFPPY END.
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 16 November 2013 08: 30
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      Author Alexander Khramchikhin
      He talked about TU 95 in Kyrgyzstan a couple of days ago, I then read the floor of the article and spat. I feel a hand from the 6th chamber, maybe people are getting dull or it looks exclusively CNN I don’t know. I am more surprised when a person knows what and how in reality (AND HE KNOWS) he takes and lies.
      1. Andrey57
        Andrey57 16 November 2013 09: 57
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        If we proceed from the sacramental question: - "Who benefits from this?", Then the answer suggests itself that if a person, knowing the real picture, is lying, then he is stupidly working off the received loot. hi
        1. AVV
          AVV 16 November 2013 11: 35
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          Whose mill are you pouring water on Mr. Khramchikhin ??? Are you tired of working at the American Embassy? Or is the loot received from the State Department warming your soul stronger? Enough of us to drive bullshit, and keep idiots!
        2. Rink
          Rink 16 November 2013 13: 16
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          + 1000!
          Tortured, far-fetched arguments for reporting on the grant received.
          Now, not one de Bill believes that NATO is white and fluffy, and America is a model of democracy.
          Indeed, it smells like ward No. 6. If the author wrote this sincerely, then it is definitely a diagnosis. But most likely it's just a business. "There is such a profession - to sell the Motherland."
        3. Drummer
          Drummer 16 November 2013 14: 38
          +3
          Where did he lie? About the mythical bases of NATO or HAARP?
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 16 November 2013 14: 41
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            Quote: Drummer
            Where did he lie?

            Yes almost everywhere and about NATO bases REAL and not mythical and about constant interference in the affairs of Russia for a single century
          2. smile
            smile 16 November 2013 18: 23
            +7
            Drummer
            Where he could not lie, he kept silent information that did not leave stone upon stone in his calculations. He is just a rather talented liar. Total business.
          3. alexng
            alexng 16 November 2013 20: 18
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            Quote: Drummer
            Where did he lie?


            The United States has nothing to do with the "Arab Spring" and Khilaya Klitor just exclaiming "WOW" when reporting the death of Gaddafi, and there are no such examples ... The US leadership is the most inveterate hypocrite in the world. It is not yet known how the epic with Syria would have ended if these ill-fated two missiles had not been shot down in the Mediterranean. It's just that these bastards freaked out in earnest.
            And after that they began to cry that no, "we are good and do not wish anyone harm. We just wanted to" a little "take the life of a part of the population of Syria with tomahawks."
            Do you have any conscience at night tormented by lies?
          4. Setrac
            Setrac 16 November 2013 22: 57
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            Quote: Drummer
            Where did he lie? About the mythical bases of NATO or HAARP?

            Khramchikhin lies in principle, systematically. Instead of "NATO bases" when they talk about encircling Russia, they say "US and NATO bases." So, removing one word, Khramchikhin tries to convince us that there is no environment.
          5. varov14
            varov14 17 November 2013 12: 12
            +1
            Just from partially truthful facts I made false conclusions.
      2. Sandov
        Sandov 16 November 2013 11: 32
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        They make a lamb out of a wolf.
        1. alexng
          alexng 16 November 2013 22: 11
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          An anecdote in the subject.
          After hearing the lawyer's speech, the judge says, somewhat embarrassedly:
          - If I understand you correctly, I can only rank the defendant as a saint ...
      3. Ezhaak
        Ezhaak 16 November 2013 11: 39
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        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        knowing what and how in fact (AND HE KNOWS) takes and lies.

        This is precisely what prompts the idea that this is done for a specifically defined MZDU.
      4. dark_65
        dark_65 16 November 2013 13: 35
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        I was not too lazy, and rummaged in the internet about him: I found both photos and articles.
        Of course, thanks to the authors of the site, which make it possible to get to know different points of view (I would like to be smart), but this does not always happen.
        This author (who did not serve in the army, but is an "expert" on army issues), who writes complete nonsense: ".. Charles XII got into a wild adventure with a campaign deep into Russia - and got a logical Poltava. Our superiority over the Swedes in military art is not even Peter himself claimed, raising a toast to his teachers - the Swedish generals taken prisoner.Suvorov, of course, fought remarkably, but almost exclusively with the Turks. With the French, it turned out much worse (crossing the Alps is, in fact, a defeat, that Alexander Vasilyevich himself understood perfectly well.) In the Patriotic War of 1812, we did not win a single victory (except for the battle at Krasnoye at the very end of the campaign, when absolutely everything was already clear). But we demonstrated exceptional perseverance and heroism even in lost battles ( including Borodinskoe), knocking out the enemy and helping him once again drown in our open spaces. "
        Excerpt from his statues.
        It seems to me that his peers just beat him in childhood, I can not find any other explanation.
      5. Ascetic
        Ascetic 16 November 2013 14: 10
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        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        He talked about TU 95 in Kyrgyzstan a couple of days ago


        But the idea is very robust. If you look at the map, you can conclude that strategists can control the whole CA and BV without straining from this base. Iran is particularly well-supported in the event of an attack through its territory on Amer’s bases and Israel. There used to be bases for military vehicles in Ukraine, now naturally they aren’t there. That’s Khramchikhin's uproar.
      6. smile
        smile 16 November 2013 18: 17
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        Alexander Romanov
        Greetings!
        Yes. Khramchikhin is a talented guy. And an ardent supporter that we quarreled with China, turning to the west rear ... and bent a little.
        And since he is smart, he really is lying - he forgets about the return potential of the nuclear weapons of the Americans, he does not notice that control over the ways of transporting resources is no less important than control over the deposits and governments of the producing countries (which the striped also take care of).
        Speaking about the decrease in the potential of US conventional weapons in Europe, he forgets that they can build up the group during the threatened period rather quickly.
        And the bases that he did not notice are places of deployment of troops, where heavy weapons are often stored for the re-equipment of urgently deployed troops.
        He also preferred to forget that even in its current form, Nato has an overwhelming superiority over us in the European theater of operations in all respects, especially in the number of l / s.
        As for the Abrams ... well, yes, in the United States over 7 thousand tanks are under conservation ... but they were not thrown into the trash. And in Europe they are expensive to maintain. And so the US military budget is already equal to all the military budgets of all other countries of Planet Earth. I understand that every year the Pentagon steals 200 billion a year (according to American data), but the rest is spent on purpose.

        Khramchikhin is an intelligent, but not a good person .... some forgetful ... :)))

        As a result, he forgets the most important thing - if people with powers similar to his worldview gain power in Russia, for example, a diverse gang of swamps, a tear in the country will inevitably begin, which can be exploited by democratic piety, NATA, accustomed to exist by robbing everyone before whom their little hands reach.

        But such articles on the site are needed to shake us. :)))
      7. timer
        timer 16 November 2013 20: 22
        +1
        Guys, explain to me what kind of miracle is Yudo A. Khramchikhin? Did he even understand what he is discussing in the article? Complete and idiocy. In my opinion, such authors have a place in a madhouse!
        1. Same lech
          Same lech 16 November 2013 21: 29
          +4
          I think so he attended a briefing with Mr. MAKFOLA And received the next tranche or grant.
          In general, it is necessary to work out the next pearl for naive people.
    3. domokl
      domokl 16 November 2013 09: 57
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      Quote: Canep
      after that it became clear to me what the article would be about

      It became clear to everyone. You are not the first drinks The author terribly wants to stand out over the Russian cattle (by all of us more precisely, 90% of the population as he writes) .90% of the Russian population do not keep pace, but the author paces one foot.
      He’s too obviously engaged to argue. It seems that he needs to go to the West .. What does he suffer here if only 10% and he are able to think?
      1. Walking
        Walking 16 November 2013 10: 11
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        Paid PR.

        A photo where American soldiers kill civilians and urinate on them was not found.
        1. AVV
          AVV 16 November 2013 11: 42
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          Yes, the most important thing Khramchikhin himself did not serve in the Army for a single day !!! And in the Union of Right Forces, he found a source in the form of the USA, which pay well, its heresy, why serve, when good grandmas pay so much !!!
        2. 0255
          0255 16 November 2013 12: 49
          +3
          Quote: Hiking
          Paid PR.

          A photo where American soldiers kill civilians and urinate on them was not found.

          I wonder how much Khramchikhin is paid for writing such nonsense fool ?
        3. Tatarus
          Tatarus 16 November 2013 14: 55
          +6
          Quote: Hiking
          Paid PR


          Not so paid piaras drinks
        4. Uncle lee
          Uncle lee 16 November 2013 16: 21
          +8
          And other photos about their "peacefulness" from American Indians, in our Far East, Vietnam, Iraq, Yugoslavia and beyond ... Where are these photos?
          1. Uncle lee
            Uncle lee 17 November 2013 09: 45
            +8
            And I put a NATO minus crying
      2. Reasonable, 2,3
        Reasonable, 2,3 16 November 2013 10: 12
        +6
        The author went to the bedroom, well, let's say to Alekseeva.
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 16 November 2013 10: 27
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          Quote: Reasonable, 2,3
          Well, let's say to Alekseeva.

          Hypojab will be more interesting
      3. Botanologist
        Botanologist 16 November 2013 12: 58
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        Quote: domokl
        Too obviously biased


        Well, let's answer the author.
        There is only one comment about START-3 - this treaty reflects a situation when no one in the west perceived Russia as a serious country. It was in 2010 that Obama signed the treaty, for he is a democrat, and at the time of the preparation of the treaty, the Americans' concept of working with Russia was sharpened for the Orange Revolution. Therefore, they planned to reduce arsenals in order to minimize the threat of nuclear weapons proliferation. But they broke off with Bolotnaya. The second point in START 3 is the change in the US concept. They were preparing a "quick global strike" and missile defense. Therefore, their own reductions did not bother them, they "cared" about us. Well, and the third remark - a clear reduction in mines and a preponderance in favor of aircraft and sea carriers. Who has more of them? Not to mention such "little things" as NATO, which also has nuclear weapons that were not included in the treaty. So it's not all that fun with START-3.
        As for NATO - yes, they do not want to fight. But this does not mean that they will never fight anywhere. And in total, the NATO air wing has about 1500 combat aircraft. And what should we not pay attention to them?

        In general, the author modestly kept silent that the concept of political pressure has changed. And where we used to have an army on the borders, now we have orange revolutionaries and various "springs". And without analyzing "controlled chaos" it is very frivolous to make such statements as the author makes. Moreover, he admits that the United States and Europe have their own interests. And the ways to achieve them are not necessarily related to nuclear confrontation, wars are waged both economic and ideological.
        In this connection, I propose that Khramchikhin be recorded as an ideological warrior on the side of NATO and, on this basis, express universal reproach.
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 16 November 2013 13: 10
          +4
          Quote: Botanologist
          record in the ideological warrior

          for this it is necessary that the "war" had ideas, not delirium
        2. Nick
          Nick 17 November 2013 00: 42
          +1
          Quote: Botanologist
          Obama signed the treaty, as a democrat, and at the time the treaty was being drafted, the Americans' concept of working with Russia was sharpened for the Orange Revolution. Therefore, they planned to reduce arsenals in order to minimize the threat of nuclear weapons proliferation. But they broke off with Bolotnaya. The second moment in START 3 is the change in the US concept. They were preparing a "quick global strike" and missile defense. Therefore, their own reductions did not bother them, they "cared" about us. Well, and the third remark - a clear reduction in mines and a preponderance in favor of aircraft and sea carriers. Who has more of them? Not to mention such "little things" as NATO, which also has nuclear weapons that were not included in the treaty. So it's not all that fun with START-3.

          This is a real analysis of the situation and the conclusion is really correct ...
        3. Current 72
          Current 72 18 November 2013 01: 15
          0
          Botanologist. I would give him a wooden tailcoat, for this scribble, and not reproach.
    4. Ezhaak
      Ezhaak 16 November 2013 11: 35
      16
      Quote: Canep
      The author is clearly trying to whiten the west.

      Sorry, but who was wondering: Who is the author of WHO? What he really is? It turns out:
      Khramchikhin Alexander Anatolyevich
      A brief description of: political scientist, head of the analytical department of the Institute of Political and Military Analysis. Author of several hundred publications on political and military topics in various print media (NG, NVO, LG, Vremya MN, Znamya, Otechestvennye zapiski, etc.) and on Internet sites (russ.ru, globalrus.ru , ima-press.ru, rbc.ru, etc.), and also acts as an expert in TV and radio programs (VGTRK, REN-TV, Radio Rossii, Mayak-24, Business-FM).
      What is poured on: Paranoidly obsessed with the Chinese threat, he drives all his thoughts under this idea, based on innocent facts. He invents absurd scenarios of the imminent Chinese invasion of the Russian Federation. At the same time, he assures that NATO is catastrophically weakened and poses no threat.
      He does not understand military equipment and makes silly mistakes in articles.

      http://www.onolitegi.ru/2010-02-02-17-33-09/61-hramchihin.html#.Uoceax0vzJE
      1. Papakiko
        Papakiko 16 November 2013 12: 44
        +5
        Quote: Hedgehog
        And who is the author?

        Basically what is usually called non-literary language.
        Unfortunately, many liberasts live and feed on handouts from the "West".
    5. nnz226
      nnz226 16 November 2013 13: 14
      +7
      About "the bases allegedly located at the borders of Russia" (from the afftor) - does not want to remember about Rumunia ?! She agreed to build an American missile defense base. And this happened quite recently. Poland has got the Patriots air defense missile system - if Poland is not at the borders of Russia, then who should be considered neighbors?
      1. Walker1975
        Walker1975 16 November 2013 17: 04
        -12 qualifying.
        All that you called are elements of missile defense, and the author had in mind tanks, divisions, and offensive weapons. For example, the Russian Federation in the Crimea has a military base - there is something in the region of 20 thousand military personnel, strike aircraft, ships, and marines. What are the number of such bases in Europe at NATO?
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 16 November 2013 17: 32
          +3
          and the author had in mind tanks, divisions, offensive weapons

          aviation is the striking force, besides, none of the supporting aptors have answered me about tactical nuclear weapons
          1. smile
            smile 16 November 2013 19: 34
            +2
            Vasilenko Vladimir
            Greetings!
            And they won’t answer, there’s nothing to answer, and if they start lying in the style of the temple, you gut them instantly, they understand this, they don’t answer ... they are afraid for Renault ...:)))) ... In general, this is the MEEEEE - it seems our pacifist’s favorite word ... soaked with milk .... goat ... :))))
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 17 November 2013 13: 12
              +1
              Quote: smile
              And do not answer, there is nothing to answer

              he answered - it turns out that we have tactical nuclear weapons too, which is why the Americans are placing theirs in Europe
        2. smile
          smile 16 November 2013 18: 40
          +6
          Walker1975
          One airfield in Šiauliai allows you to place more aircraft there than in the entire Kaliningrad region ... several times, in a few days.
          Infrastructure in Poland and the Baltic is being prepared to accommodate very significant contingents there ... and this is against the background of NATO’s multiple numerical superiority in all respects, especially in terms of personnel. Cannons can well serve as Europeans.
          The American air force superior to ours many times over in number can be deployed within a week ... The entire infrastructure is ready. Heavy weapons were stored at existing bases for the re-equipment of the deployed American troops — if necessary, this is a matter of days.

          Do we need to believe in their peacefulness? Any reason?

          By the way, the Americans are going to transfer their German bases to Poland; the Poles really want this. Mostly their mercantile considerations. :)))
    6. Army1
      Army1 16 November 2013 14: 00
      +8
      smile "I knew that we were the empire of evil, and they are good."
    7. Gluxar_
      Gluxar_ 16 November 2013 16: 29
      +4
      Quote: Canep
      The author is clearly trying to whiten the west. Hiroshima and Nagasaki, chemical weapons in Vietnam, depleted uranium in Iraq, these are only acts of direct use of WMD, this does not seem to count to the author. And loans to African countries, the West killed by famine no less than the people.

      I finished reading on the first sentence. Article minus.
      It makes no sense to comment even on the introduction to this vyser. I would like to draw your attention to the change in the content on this resource. In the last few days of the trial, obviously all sorts of trolls arrived. Both in the comments and in the writing of "vyser".
      Who knows what this is connected with? changed the owner of the resource or moderation? Or is it a temporary influx of paid sketches? What are your opinions?
    8. Onyx
      Onyx 16 November 2013 19: 25
      +2
      Quote: Canep
      The author is clearly trying to whiten the west.

      Who pays, he whitewashes
    9. Cherdak
      Cherdak 16 November 2013 21: 40
      12
      Quote: Canep
      it became clear what the article will be about


      Full day, this unfinished Shurik.

      He graduated from the Physics Department of Moscow State University in 1990. He did not serve in the army. fellow
      1. alone
        alone 16 November 2013 22: 16
        +4
        similar to Novodvorskaya belay
        1. fzr1000
          fzr1000 16 November 2013 23: 36
          +3
          Nationality is exactly the same.
    10. Nick
      Nick 17 November 2013 00: 27
      +3
      Quote: Canep
      The author is clearly trying to whiten the west. Hiroshima and Nagasaki, chemical weapons in Vietnam, depleted uranium in Iraq, these are only acts of direct use of WMD, this does not seem to count to the author.

      Khramchikhin is still that expert. Previously, he still tried to maintain the appearance of objectivity, but now he is not shy about showing his sponsors. China has the most likely aggressor against Russia, and Nata is white and fluffy ...
      Selling with one word ...
    11. Rink
      Rink 17 November 2013 01: 02
      +1
      Quote: Canep
      The author is clearly trying to whiten the west.

      Duc, the article is somehow entitled "Legends and myths about NATO"? Here is the author who creates them. That is, he honestly writes that everything in his article is "Legends" and "Myths".
      Why are we boiling up here?
      1. 77bob1973
        77bob1973 17 November 2013 06: 30
        0
        Such storytellers, during the war, were taken "quietly" to the side and a bullet in the back of the head.
    12. Siberian German
      Siberian German 17 November 2013 06: 04
      0
      and especially about the dangers of fanning myths about military power and aggressiveness, I liked NATO - but here’s a hitch, and in the West, isn’t it harmful to spread myths about our drunken bloody Cossack bears?
  2. zloi_dekabr
    zloi_dekabr 16 November 2013 07: 15
    12
    Another vyser onalitega Khramchikhina.
    1. Норд
      Норд 16 November 2013 11: 58
      +4
      Yeah. Khramchikhin saved, saved and threw out. Bulk with Kasparov turn green with envy. Even they did not think of such ANALYSIS. Well, who is threatening the world there? NATE is going to protect you, and the rest is paranoia.
      Question: where does the uncle receive the main salary?
  3. andrei332809
    andrei332809 16 November 2013 07: 26
    19
    Anti-Western paranoia quite a long time ago acquired in Russia the character of a severe collective mental illness,

    Yes, and I am not ashamed of this. and not going to be treated. fool
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 16 November 2013 08: 32
      12
      Quote: andrei332809
      Yes, and I am not ashamed of this. and not going to be treated.

      The troll began to minus, resents from your comments laughing
      1. andrei332809
        andrei332809 16 November 2013 08: 33
        +4
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        The troll began to minus, resents from your comments

        and the flag in his hands.
      2. Mikhail3
        Mikhail3 16 November 2013 19: 03
        +5
        Duc e! This article is a fresh quotation book. It is her liberal resources that will be quoted all around in the coming months. The guys climbed to the site, dragging her to themselves - for the forced "opening the eyes of the stupid inhabitants of the hated Rashka" (who will tell me in the face "Rashka" - stopchu). Well, and went through the comments, how to resist? What do these damned locksmiths from Perm think there? Here are the cons and fell ...
        1. andrei332809
          andrei332809 16 November 2013 19: 07
          0
          Quote: Mikhail3
          It is her liberal resources that will be quoted around in the coming months.

          already. now I climbed on "yaplakal" one thing to read, and a couple of minutes ago they posted this article, word for word fellow
  4. Humpty
    Humpty 16 November 2013 07: 33
    25
    the author is a bastard and a liar.
    1. alone
      alone 16 November 2013 12: 28
      12
      Quote: Humpty
      the author is a bastard and a liar.


      The bastard and Liar after reading your comment shuddered at the fact that they were compared with Khramchikhin and decided to put an end to life !! laughing
      1. domokl
        domokl 16 November 2013 17: 33
        +1
        Quote: lonely
        The bastard and Liar after reading your comment shuddered at the fact that they were compared with Khramchikhin and decided to put an end to life !! laughing

        Now wait for comments from our colleagues from a country where there are many similar names laughing
  5. Same lech
    Same lech 16 November 2013 07: 34
    13
    Well, KHRAMCHIKHIN FINALLY SHOWN ITS OWN IT turns out to be USA and EUROPE - white and fluffy kittens, well, you know, they played around a little in YUGOSLAVIA, LIBYA, IRAQ - this is normal because we are paranoid - well, I’m not so fond of that .
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 16 November 2013 08: 38
      18
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      Well, KHRAMCHIKHIN FINALLY MANIFESTED ITS NUTRO

      Yes, he has been limping for a long time, back in 2008 he became famous, this military ONALitik ... And his most famous analysis of the military situation was made on August 7, 2008, the day before the outbreak of war in South Ossetia. A. Khramchikhin then stated that he excludes the scenario of an armed conflict: “There will be no Georgian offensive, it is absolutely ruled out ... There will be no war in any case,” he wrote. http://www.voskanapat.info/?p=3887
      1. The fat man
        The fat man 16 November 2013 17: 21
        +1
        http://www.voskanapat.info/?p=3887
        oh where you get your information bully
  6. bddrus
    bddrus 16 November 2013 07: 37
    +8
    what a cute picture! only the author really wants me to believe that NATO troops in Afghanistan to protect us? for the fight against drugs? or for world peace? North Africa bombed for "democracy"? Anti-missile defense systems are being built in Europe so that one day who will suddenly have a missile, and Europe does not ask for their protection?
  7. makarov
    makarov 16 November 2013 07: 40
    14
    But such photographic posters of a soldier with a girl, only in a black and white version I had to see earlier as archival sources. Only the soldier was in the uniform of the Wehrmacht. I look, - well, nothing in the world has changed.
    1. andrei332809
      andrei332809 16 November 2013 08: 29
      12
      Quote: makarov
      But such photographic posters of a soldier with a girl, only in the black and white version did I have to see earlier
      1. alone
        alone 16 November 2013 12: 29
        +4
        any soldier of the occupying forces looks the same. wink
  8. Same lech
    Same lech 16 November 2013 07: 43
    14
    Innocent entertainment - the light of democracy shows us its successes in democratizing IRAQ.
    1. Army1
      Army1 16 November 2013 18: 23
      0
      Quote: The same Lech
      Innocent entertainment - the light of democracy shows us its successes in democratizing IRAQ.

      This is a sign of weakness, I'm glad that we have such a probable opponent, but he will not come out face to face with a strong tenth grader.
  9. stayer
    stayer 16 November 2013 07: 53
    +4
    The article is neither a plus nor a minus. Politics = dirty laundry. And it will be possible to judge the correctness of the decisions in 50-70 years. What I really agree with is that at the moment NATO cannot create a "war" for a more or less protected state. You just need to remain a protected state.
    1. Peaceful military
      Peaceful military 16 November 2013 13: 38
      +2
      Quote: stayer
      The article is neither a plus nor a minus. Politics = dirty laundry. And it will be possible to judge the correctness of the decisions in 50-70 years. What I really agree with is that at the moment NATO cannot create a "war" for a more or less protected state. You just need to remain a protected state.

      It may not be impossible for us to judge, but the fact that striving with all our might, without embarrassment, is obvious, especially to us here. hi
  10. George
    George 16 November 2013 07: 56
    19
    Meanwhile, the West is neither Absolute Evil nor Absolute Good. He is just a part of human civilization. And this part actually for a long time dominated the rest of the parts. But right now, it would seem, having achieved its absolute victory (“the end of history”), this dominance is rapidly losing. This phenomenon deserves serious study.

    The pathologist can really figure this out wink

    Anti-Western paranoia has long acquired the character of a severe collective mental illness in Russia, and conspiracy theology based on this paranoia will probably soon become an official science (along with astrology).


    Oh oh
    Stalin sent the film “Volga-Volga” as a gift to Harriman, the US ambassador to the USSR.

    The American embassy carefully watched this film several times in succession from beginning to end, trying to unravel the secret meaning of the gift.

    Finally, the ambassador’s analysts and advisers concluded that the dog was buried in the words of the song:

    America gave Russia a steamer - Huge wheels, a terribly quiet ride.

    Now they began to think and analyze this text ...

    Meanwhile, Stalin did not mean anything. I just gave my favorite movie from the bottom of my heart. He wanted the Americans to laugh at the comedy.
    Who has paranoia? tongue
    1. zart_arn
      zart_arn 16 November 2013 11: 18
      -8
      And paranoia is in everyone, both they and us. This is the oldest and most vile evil when uki-generals, in order to justify their bloody bread, slander other peoples, unleash "just" wars, carry the ideals of "democracy", "world revolution", "historical truth". Whole scientific communities have worked and are still working on the creation of the enemy's "goat face" (it would be more accurate to say - packs of dogs). At the same time, the common people in any country find themselves hostage to the bloody plans of the sidor generals (with the letter n). I see real friendly communication of ordinary people from different countries as a real way of fighting against such a rabble, since there are plenty of opportunities for this. The article is neither a plus nor a minus, since the author looks at the problem from the point of view of a pathologist, not a humanist (minus), but outlined the problem (plus).
      1. Peaceful military
        Peaceful military 16 November 2013 13: 35
        0
        Quote: zart_arn
        And paranoia is in everyone, both they and us. This is the oldest and most vile evil when uki-generals, in order to justify their bloody bread, slander other peoples, unleash "just" wars, carry the ideals of "democracy", "world revolution", "historical truth". Whole scientific communities have worked and are still working on the creation of the enemy's "goat face" (it would be more accurate to say - packs of dogs). At the same time, the common people in any country find themselves hostage to the bloody plans of the sidor generals (with the letter n). I see real friendly communication of ordinary people from different countries as a real way of fighting against such a rabble, since there are plenty of opportunities for this. The article is neither a plus nor a minus, since the author looks at the problem from the point of view of a pathologist, not a humanist (minus), but outlined the problem (plus).

        Particularly gifted "individuals", think their specialness in such a way, soaring above everyone, accusing all of them of paranoia. Hence, all the reasoning of such individuals, from the point of view of ordinary people, is nonsense. Humanism is gayrope, rampant abomination, debauchery and aggressive export of this to "underdeveloped" societies. hi
        1. zart_arn
          zart_arn 16 November 2013 16: 31
          -1
          Judging by the flag, you are also in Geyrop and are not going to leave. It’s not good, at least not in Russian - living on the land of the so-called. "Geyropes" spew verbal diarrhea on her. My reasoning is simple and banal - I, like most people, do not need wars and I hate everyone, without exception, who kindles them. If this is nonsense, then there is nothing more to talk about. Actually, this is what I wanted to say.
          1. Peaceful military
            Peaceful military 16 November 2013 19: 23
            0
            Quote: zart_arn
            Judging by the flag, you are also in Geyrop and are not going to leave. It’s not good, at least not in Russian - living on the land of the so-called. "Geyropes" spew verbal diarrhea on her. My reasoning is simple and banal - I, like most people, do not need wars and I hate everyone, without exception, who kindles them. If this is nonsense, then there is nothing more to talk about. Actually, this is what I wanted to say.

            I’m not going to leave, because there is nowhere and nothing, and the age is not the same. And your vile insinuations about my move and my attitude to humanism - ala freedom to everything nasty for the sake of affirming humanism, do not hurt me at all, but once again confirms my rightness towards you, which absolutely depreciates your opinion.
            1. zart_arn
              zart_arn 17 November 2013 18: 19
              0
              Forgive me if you are offended by my "vile insinuations". If for you the concept of humanism is identical to rampant abomination and debauchery, then everything is clear with you. If you, not intending to leave "Geyropa", continue to find fault with it, then this is called "hypocrisy", forgive the Russian harshness.
          2. Sax
            Sax 18 November 2013 01: 38
            +1
            You're right. The article contains analysis errors (or malicious misrepresentation of some facts), 99% of the responses are no less than one-sided. And most importantly, they are very vicious. It’s the same to me as a simple person disgusted. I watch the atmosphere popping out ... M-da-ah-ah ...
            The impression is that most simply rave about the times of the USSR, when we exported revolutions to the right and left, we constantly arranged troubles, blackmail and threats at every turn ... Now there is no possibility. From here the atmosphere is very malicious.
            1. Proud.
              Proud. 18 November 2013 07: 29
              0
              Quote: Sax
              99% of the responses are at least one-sided.

              Quote: Sax
              that the majority simply raves about the times of the USSR, when we exported revolutions to the right and to the left, we constantly arranged troubles, blackmail and threats at every turn ...

              No less one-sided and your conclusion. People remember (not rave) about the good things that happened in the USSR. You recall the negative, and in a very hyperbolic form.
        2. goldfinger
          goldfinger 16 November 2013 18: 02
          0
          Quote: Peaceful military
          Humanism is gayrope, rampant abomination, debauchery and aggressive export of this to "underdeveloped" societies.

          From Minsk. I can imagine, "peaceful military man", how you suffer! You open your eyes in the morning - and with pain and longing you remember that you woke up again in the midst of "filth and debauchery" in the east of the damned Geyropa. And there is no way to escape from this Hell! Well, no one wants to change a hut on the Central Russian Upland for a vile, depraved Tallinn!
          We’ll have to suffer again and bear our heavy cross among the neighbors of libertines and exporters of abomination! And the main fiends of Hell are humanists! V. Shakespeare, M. Servantes, F. Dostoevsky, N. Nekrasov - I hope you already burned their books at home, if you ever had them and you read them? The flag is in your hands - in the fight against world humanism!
          1. Peaceful military
            Peaceful military 16 November 2013 19: 35
            +1
            Quote: goldfinger
            Quote: Peaceful military
            Humanism is gayrope, rampant abomination, debauchery and aggressive export of this to "underdeveloped" societies.

            From Minsk. I can imagine, "peaceful military man", how you suffer! You open your eyes in the morning - and with pain and longing you remember that you woke up again in the midst of "filth and debauchery" in the east of the damned Geyropa. And there is no way to escape from this Hell! Well, no one wants to change a hut on the Central Russian Upland for a vile, depraved Tallinn!
            We’ll have to suffer again and bear our heavy cross among the neighbors of libertines and exporters of abomination! And the main fiends of Hell are humanists! V. Shakespeare, M. Servantes, F. Dostoevsky, N. Nekrasov - I hope you already burned their books at home, if you ever had them and you read them? The flag is in your hands - in the fight against world humanism!

            You don’t even know, it turns out what humanism is and, therefore, you don’t know that the authors you have listed are not humanists at all, thank God. fool
            I can only suffer in your fevered imagination, for I am not by any end involved in the whirlpools of humanism in the form of parades of "universal" values ​​in the sabbath of neo-fascists. I, my family, small and large, my friends, colleagues, half of Tallinn, all of Narva, 1/3 of the non-titular and very many titular residents of the former Estland province are in no way involved in this, so this is all parallel to us.
            I suspect that you are young, and therefore unreasonable ... And if not young, then I feel sorry for you.
            1. goldfinger
              goldfinger 16 November 2013 21: 30
              -1
              Quote: Peaceful military
              You don’t even know, it turns out what humanism is and, therefore, you don’t know that the authors you have listed are not humanists at all, thank God.

              Humanism (from lat. Humanus - human, human), a historically changing system of views, recognizing the value of a person as a person, his right to freedom, happiness, development and manifestation of his abilities, considering a person’s good as a criterion for evaluating social institutions, and the principles of equality, justice, humanity the desired norm of relations between people.
              The humanistic tradition in the social thought of Russia in the 19th century represented by revolutionary democrats - A. I. Herzen, V. G. Belinsky, N. G. Chernyshevsky, A. N. Dobrolyubov, T. G. Shevchenko and others. G.'s ideas inspired the classics of the great Russian literature of the 19th century.
              Great Soviet Encyclopedia. Humanism ".
              After all, you obviously would not have believed the Gayropaic encyclopedia. You are probably not young, and therefore not reasonable, and if you are young and unreasonable, I sincerely regret you.
            2. alex86
              alex86 16 November 2013 23: 05
              0
              Quote: Peaceful military
              V. Shakespeare, M. Servantes, F. Dostoevsky, N. Nekrasov

              Quote: Peaceful military
              by no means humanists, glory to God.

              If Dr. Goebbels said something like that, it would not be characteristic of him, but understandable from the point of view of the absurd lie of the fascist ideology. And to hear something like that from a person who is clearly not young and has a Soviet education and upbringing - even the word "strange" is not quite appropriate here.
              Quote: Peaceful military
              You don’t even know what humanism is
              - this applies to you. Do you humanists then imagine?
              1. Peaceful military
                Peaceful military 17 November 2013 01: 16
                -2
                Quote: alex86
                Quote: Peaceful military
                V. Shakespeare, M. Servantes, F. Dostoevsky, N. Nekrasov

                Quote: Peaceful military
                by no means humanists, glory to God.

                If Dr. Goebbels said something like that, it would not be characteristic of him, but understandable from the point of view of the absurd lie of the fascist ideology. And to hear something like that from a person who is clearly not young and has a Soviet education and upbringing - even the word "strange" is not quite appropriate here.
                Quote: Peaceful military
                You don’t even know what humanism is
                - this applies to you. Do you humanists then imagine?

                Yes, very simply I imagine, for you, God forbid, naive, the simplest definition of "humanitarian action" ... fool
                1. alex86
                  alex86 17 November 2013 09: 30
                  +1
                  Quote: Peaceful military
                  Yes, very simply I imagine, for you, God forbid, naive, the simplest definition of "humanitarian action" ...

                  The question is not how for us, "God forbid," naive (naivety and humanism are clearly not opposites), the question is, how is it for you? Judging by the answer, at least you have not decided on the definition of humanity for yourself (sorry for the tautology).
                  For us, God forbid, are naive, you contemptuously appoint a "humanitarian action" - but why didn't it suit you? Or are you from the point of view - "pity humiliates"?
                  So people raise money to help the sick, God forbid, the child is a humanitarian action. Are you against
                  Or you have a shift in concepts - sort of like, "democracy - the rule of the people" turned into crap (of course - the power of crap), but democracy has nothing to do with it.
                  Goebbels had a phrase: "When I hear the word" culture ", my hand reaches for the pistol" - the same shift of concepts (within the framework of his attitude).
                  Therefore, in order not to "litter the air", let us assume the existence of great humanists - writers, scientists, public figures - let them be. Moreover, they exist and will exist independently of you and me.
                  On this, let our communication close. Thank.
                2. goldfinger
                  goldfinger 17 November 2013 11: 16
                  0
                  Quote: Peaceful military
                  but very simply I imagine, for you, God forbid, naive, the simplest definition of "humanitarian action" ...

                  When the opponent "turns on the fool", there is nothing to be done. Then I take my leave.
                3. Peaceful military
                  Peaceful military 18 November 2013 09: 26
                  0
                  Quote: Peaceful military
                  Yes, very simply I imagine, for you, God forbid, naive, the simplest definition of "humanitarian action" ... fool

                  Hmm ... As I can see, the "guys from the armored train" don't even know about the "humanitarian actions" ... fool
    2. Mikhail3
      Mikhail3 16 November 2013 19: 10
      +1
      Stalin was that troll laughing ! Do you think he didn't know what the reaction would be? So I see Stalin sitting in his office, reading the report of the INO. Then he takes the transcripts of the correspondence of the US Embassy and suddenly says: "Comrade Poskrebyshev! Something our" friends "Americans are too relaxed, they decided that everyone already knows and understands about us. Well, send them a copy of the comedy funnier. Let your brain wrinkle, know-it-alls." And smiles into his mustache quietly ...
  11. Lyapis
    Lyapis 16 November 2013 08: 02
    12
    Of course, there is some truth in the words of the author of the article. Not all negative things happening in the world should be sought after the US and NATO. But still, you should not rush to the other extreme, imagining the West as such good guys and almost victims of circumstances.
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  14. Lyokha79
    Lyokha79 16 November 2013 08: 39
    12
    Deployment of US military bases, including in Europe:
  15. Lyokha79
    Lyokha79 16 November 2013 08: 40
    +4
    And here is the Bondsteel base in Kosovo:
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 16 November 2013 10: 13
      +5
      wrote that this is the largest base of the usa outside its territory
    2. Papakiko
      Papakiko 16 November 2013 13: 05
      +5
      Quote: Lyokha79
      And here is the Bondsteel base in Kosovo:

      Must be considered in conjunction with Prishtina (Prishtina International Airport) Skopje (Skopje and Ohrid International Airports) and the ports of Dures and Thessaloniki.
      This is Pristina (half)

      This is Durres

  16. Valery Neonov
    Valery Neonov 16 November 2013 08: 48
    +9
    hi Thank you! Taperyacha will know that NATO IS THE MOST PEACEFUL GUYS. repeat BUT:
  17. Dimy4
    Dimy4 16 November 2013 08: 51
    12
    Anti-Western paranoia quite a long time ago acquired in Russia the character of a severe collective mental illness

    After reading these first phrases, it immediately became clear what the article was about and there was no sense in reading it further, another propaganda. However, the author is sure that we have paranoia, then this paranoia captures the different social and age groups of our country. I wonder why this is, probably because for the entire period of history known to us from Western civilization we received only sweets and buns, and the conqueror never came to us from that side to destroy us and take our lands, which in the last war we lost almost 30 million of our citizens destroyed by the good and peaceful west. Although the author is absolutely on the drum for him it's just a business.
    1. bddrus
      bddrus 16 November 2013 09: 41
      +4
      immediately it became clear
      - But why? At first I thought that this banter begins))
  18. vjatsergey
    vjatsergey 16 November 2013 08: 54
    +8
    If NATO and the USA are virtues themselves, then who was in Iraq, Libya, Yugoslavia, etc.?
    1. kontrol
      kontrol 16 November 2013 14: 40
      +5
      Well, don’t you know? There is such an anecdote: two girls sat on the balcony, good and evil. And spat on passers-by. Good hit 10 times, and evil 5 times. Hence the conclusion, good always defeats evil smile
  19. Bigriver
    Bigriver 16 November 2013 09: 00
    +7
    Indeed, much reasonable has been said about the "fluffiness" of the United States and NATO. And about the "incompetence and the conduct of politics with unpredictable results" even Putin confirms laughing
    Here are just the children's conclusions. Like, if the West is weak, then it’s not an enemy. And the enemy, therefore, is he who is strong? Some nonsense.
    The West is neither Absolute Evil nor Absolute Good. He is just a part of human civilization.

    Part of civilization, which is our natural geopolitical enemy. Geography is fate. And the West also has a fate weighed down by its chosen mission - global dominance. Yes, this dominance is rapidly falling.
    But the West doesn’t refuse it! negative
    Your material is not finished by Khramchikhin. But where is the real enemy for whom the author is holding China?
  20. kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 16 November 2013 09: 09
    11
    Here are the statements of another about a Western-minded, but not very smart person! NATO was originally created specifically against the USSR, and mind you back in 1949, specifically against the USSR, right after Churchill's "Fulton" speech. and murderers with blood on their hands up to the elbows, for "white and fluffy"! I would very much like to ask this grief analyst Khramchikhin: how much did you get paid, where is your parachute and what plane were you dropped from? The scoundrel forgot about who taught to shoot Georgian animals at our peacekeepers, who drenched Yugoslavia with blood and tore apart Yugoslavia? I don’t want to talk about the rest of the atrocities of the United States and NATO in the world. You are a provocateur and a traitor, and most likely you live behind the cordon. What do you want to fool our people, as your masters did, even with the Japanese, where the majority believe that Hiroshima and Nagasaki were bombed by the Russians. God if wants to punish a person - deprives him of his reason, and your masters have deprived you (for bucks) to bring you. And the fact that NATO began to slow down suggests that Russia has become stronger and only the fear of imminent retribution makes them restrain their ardor in aggression against sovereign countries, Syria is a vivid example of this!
    1. Ustas
      Ustas 16 November 2013 12: 08
      +7
      Quote: kartalovkolya
      You are a provocateur and a traitor, but most likely you live behind the cordon

      "Khramchikhin Alexander Anatolyevich (born June 3, 1967) is a Russian political scientist.
      In 1995-1996, he worked in the analytical structures of the electoral headquarters of the party "Our Home - Russia" in the elections to the State Duma, then the headquarters of Boris Yeltsin in the presidential election.
      Adheres to extremely pessimistic views on the prospects of the Russian army, military industry, aircraft construction and shipbuilding, taking all data exclusively from the media. "
      From Wikipedia
      1. kartalovkolya
        kartalovkolya 16 November 2013 16: 39
        +1
        SO THERE IS FROM WHERE FROM THE GUY THIS IS BENDING! Thanks for the info!
  21. major071
    major071 16 November 2013 09: 11
    +7
    Better to overtake than not to overtake. I looked who the author of the article did not read.
  22. VadimL
    VadimL 16 November 2013 09: 14
    +8
    I read the article twice. And I just can't understand if the author is mocking or really believes in what he writes? If he does, then it is not for him to talk about "collective mental illness" with such a diagnosis.
    1. 0255
      0255 16 November 2013 13: 28
      +2
      Quote: VadimL
      I read the article twice. And I just can't understand if the author is mocking or really believes in what he writes? If he does, then it is not for him to talk about "collective mental illness" with such a diagnosis.

      Most likely fulfills the loot from the West.
      Quote: ARTICLE
      By the way, Republicans regularly start talking about the fact that the United States should withdraw from the treaty, since it limits only the United States.

      poor Americans, evil Russia limits them, wants to disarm them, good-natured ones.
      Quote: ARTICLE
      For example, both Iraqi wars, where the United States did not neglect the Abrams. On the contrary, Abrams on a bridge in the center of Baghdad on April 9, 2003 became a symbol of the collapse of the Hussein regime. In the course of the first Iraq war, the United States deployed nearly 2 Abrams, and in the course of the second, about a thousand.

      How did the author forget to add that not a single Abrams was hit by an Iraqi T-72? This is official information from the Pentagon. And still, the bombing of residential areas was not without.
      Quote: ARTICLE
      But the "puppet" Nuri al-Maliki (Iraqi Prime Minister) categorically refused to grant immunity to US servicemen from prosecution under local laws. And the Americans by no means removed the "puppet" from power. They wiped themselves off and left Iraq completely, leaving no bases there. And now Iraq serves as a “link” between Iran and Syria. It is through Iraq, with the full consent of his leadership, that Iranian weapons and the IRGF are sent to Assad to help. Washington is very indignant at this fact, but it does not bother the “puppet” at all. In addition, the "puppet" is now going to buy Russian weapons in much larger volumes than American ones.

      so they will always have time to bomb Iraq again in case of something.
      Quote: ARTICLE
      As a result, America in this country is now hated by everyone.

      and why love her? after all the bombing type for freedom and democracy
      Quote: ARTICLE
      Not a single air wing (or at least a squadron) of the US Air Force arrived in the Middle East, not a single US Navy aircraft carrier appeared in the Mediterranean Sea. It was then that Moscow arrived in time with its initiative on the Syrian chemical weapons.

      because Russian ships arrived in the Mediterranean. But there were no Tomahawk carriers off the coast of Syria. On September 9 they wanted to attack Syria, but did not attack. In Vietnam, the Americans did not attack Soviet ships with military assistance to the Vietnamese; in 1986, as soon as one Soviet light cruiser Admiral Drozd arrived in Tripoli, the Americans stopped bombing Libya. After all, the United States is afraid of Russia even now.
      1. 0255
        0255 16 November 2013 13: 28
        +2
        Quote: ARTICLE
        Instead of tales of how NATO “restored Georgia’s military power” (this is a direct lie), one could show by the example of those events: NATO will not lift a finger and will not shed a drop of blood of its soldiers and officers in order to protect the post-Soviet states.

        The United States more than once threw its allies. What Saudi Arabia seems to have realized recently. When will they want to bomb her for torturing gays and lesbians? angry am
        Quote: ARTICLE
        NATO is not ready to fight even with weaker countries.

        yeah, Grenada, Panama, Iraq, Yugoslavia, Libya, Syria numerically and qualitatively superior to the United States. In fact, NATO is not ready to fight with a strong opponent, as it turned out in Syria.
        SO WE KILL THEM YOURSELF, KNOW-WHAT ON THE AUTHOR AND ON ITS SCRIPT
  23. borisjdin1957
    borisjdin1957 16 November 2013 09: 23
    +8
    from the Don.
    Bullshit! In this case, a horse!
    1. andrei332809
      andrei332809 16 November 2013 09: 36
      17
      Quote: borisjdin1957
      Bullshit

      here is a mare
  24. vlad.svargin
    vlad.svargin 16 November 2013 09: 32
    +3
    Some materials about the author of the article:
    Adheres to extremely pessimistic views on the prospects of the Russian army, military industry, aircraft manufacturing and shipbuilding, taking all the data exclusively from the media.
    The civil aircraft industry in Russia today can already be considered completely dead. And trying to create a new plane - the SuperJet 100 - looks pretty funny. “Superjet” by and large does not need anyone. The military aircraft industry is still “twitching.”
    - Memorial cemetery of the Russian aircraft industry on May 28, 2011


    In addition, in an analysis of Khramchikhin's theses, carried out by a leading researcher at the Center for Strategic Problems of Northeast Asia and the Shanghai Cooperation Organization of the Institute of the Far East of the Russian Academy of Sciences, candidate of military sciences Yuri Vasilyevich Morozov, it is noted that Alexander Khramchikhin exaggerates the problem of overpopulation of China and the lack of minerals, which , in his opinion, can only be solved by the seizure of Russian territories, exaggerates the power of the Chinese army, and also does not understand the modern tactics of warfare, building scenarios of the Chinese invasion based on the experience of the Second World War and ignoring natural factors.
    Alexander Khramchikhin is one of the supporters of the theory of the US disarmament strike against Russian nuclear weapons, and gives an original explanation for this strike - to give Russia a reason to invite NATO troops to its territory to defend Russia from China

    I think that it is clear from these articles on "whose mill" the article was written. After all, I read this "opus" to the end. Either it is a "zaslanets", or because of his youth he does not understand what he is writing about.
    1. HollyGremlin
      HollyGremlin 16 November 2013 10: 10
      +8
      Oddly enough, but this article only serves to strengthen anti-Western sentiment.
      1. The vast majority on this site understands that the author either writes at the direction of or does not understand what he is talking about.
      2. Once it brightens the west and writes at the direction, it means the mishandled Cossack.
      3. Therefore, this is a direct propaganda of the West. And we oh how we do not like when they stick their nose in our affairs and our opinion.
      4. The result is an increase in anti-Western sentiment. (The author can be congratulated)
      1. kartalovkolya
        kartalovkolya 17 November 2013 17: 19
        0
        All this trash understands and strictly follows the instructions of the owners, but that's where the FSB and the Investigative Committee of the General Prosecutor’s Office are looking is a question!
  25. saag
    saag 16 November 2013 09: 37
    +3
    Yes, this order is no nonsense, people work out money, create a positive image in the framework of building a missile defense position area in Romania
  26. 128mgb
    128mgb 16 November 2013 10: 05
    +4
    But some people know how to lie so brazenly and shamelessly, I envy them at times already.
  27. Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 16 November 2013 10: 11
    +4
    to the end, this nonsense has not yet mastered, but in the first chapter some obscene expressions.
    so tired of these political scientists, historians and economists who do not know the elementary things that are taken to reason.
    The fact that the revolution, not to mention natural disasters, occurred in an era when the West in its current understanding simply did not exist, is now not taken into consideration.
    if we talk about Russia, then obscenely behind all the unrest in the pre-Soviet period peep the ears of the "West" murder of Paul, the Decembrists, both revolutions of 17 (without reducing the guilt of the tsarist government)
    NATO BASES AROUND RUSSIA NO
    Mr. Khramchikhin, or he considers everyone else to be fools, and what does NATO have to do with it, the United States is our potential adversary and it is this state that is deploying its forces in Europe.
  28. Larus
    Larus 16 November 2013 10: 14
    +5
    This is probably the "creative" view of an advanced user who considers his point of view to be correct, the rest are "amazed" by the propaganda. The author would not hurt to read not only liberal articles about the good West, it is there that it is written about good values, freedom and other nonsense ....
    1. Tourist Breakfast
      Tourist Breakfast 16 November 2013 11: 00
      -12 qualifying.
      It would not hurt the author to read not only liberal articles about the good west, it is written there about good values, freedom and other rubbish ....


      It seems that no one really read the article here. The author does not say that the West is good. He claims that today the West is weak and fragmented, and therefore does not pose such a serious threat to Russia, as they tell you.
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 16 November 2013 11: 16
        +6
        It seems that you have not read the article.
        the author frankly bresh
        The fact that the revolution, not to mention natural disasters, occurred in an era when the West, in its current sense, simply did not exist, is now not taken into consideration


        The ring of bases and troops, with which we are constantly surrounded, is constantly being written, however, on this occasion neither the names of the bases nor the composition of the groups stationed on them are ever given. Which is not surprising, because there were no NATO bases around Russia as there were


        honestly I haven’t mastered it yet, but in the first two chapters frank not knowledge of the subject
        1. Tourist Breakfast
          Tourist Breakfast 16 November 2013 13: 15
          -7
          So explain what exactly the author breaches. For example, tell us what forces are concentrated on the NATO bases around Russia and how ready they are for the invasion.
          I remind you, even in the case of Syria, NATO has merged.
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 16 November 2013 13: 31
            +3
            Quote: Tourist's Breakfast
            For example, tell us what forces are concentrated on the NATO bases around Russia.

            in Europe, and forgive me from one end Geyropa spit in the other you get, only about 40 thousand contingent
            1. Tourist Breakfast
              Tourist Breakfast 16 November 2013 13: 36
              -3
              in Europe, and forgive me from one end Geyropa spit in the other you get, only about 40 thousand contingent

              40 thousand, including cooks and clerks, a serious force of course. And how many tanks?
              1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 16 November 2013 14: 15
                +5
                I'm sorry, but in the former it’s only the states, and secondly, don’t tell me, what are they doing in Europe ?!
                http://www.nato.int/docu/review/2002/issue3/russian/stats.html
                this is the number of NATO troops, and the bill on troops in Europe is not in Russia's favor
                1. Tourist Breakfast
                  Tourist Breakfast 16 November 2013 19: 21
                  -7
                  I'm sorry, but in the former it’s only the states, and secondly, don’t tell me, what are they doing in Europe ?!
                  http://www.nato.int/docu/review/2002/issue3/russian/stats.html
                  this is the number of NATO troops, and the bill on troops in Europe is not in Russia's favor


                  There, according to the list, not all countries in NATO and even not all in the EU.
                  You better compare with the strength of the Chinese Armed Forces. You never answered - if the same British and Germans were afraid to meddle in Syria, what is the likelihood of their participation in the operation against the Russian Federation? You have nuclear weapons after all.
                  1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                    Vasilenko Vladimir 16 November 2013 19: 55
                    +2
                    There are not all countries in the list on NATO
                    I understand that the column is difficult, open the calculator.
                    enough about China, about Syria, answer for a start about tactical nuclear weapons to them missile defense in Poland and Romania, just leave nonsense about Iran
                    1. Tourist Breakfast
                      Tourist Breakfast 17 November 2013 12: 48
                      0
                      I understand that the column is difficult, open the calculator.

                      Honestly, I don’t see the point. In Europe, leftists, socialists and toleraists are in power right now. Do you seriously believe that they are able to open hostilities against a nuclear power?

                      about Syria, answer for a start about tactical nuclear weapons to them missile defense in Poland and Romania, just leave nonsense about Iran

                      You have TNW too, don't you? And they need missile defense, because they themselves are scared of you. That will end suddenly "Putin's stability", who then you will come to power only one devil knows.

                      So what's up with Syria? Why did the insidious and vicious NATO never start aggression? Your version.
                      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 17 November 2013 12: 58
                        0
                        Quote: Tourist's Breakfast
                        In Europe, leftists are now in power, socialists

                        what does Europe have to do with it, especially now, tomorrow, November 18, 13, no one is going to fight
                        Quote: Tourist's Breakfast
                        TNW and you have it, right?


                        Yes, only it is not in Cuba or Venezuela, but on our territory, and for some reason Americans = in Europe

                        TNW ammunition for hitting large targets and clusters of enemy forces at the front and in the rear that is, directly in the war zone, sorry where are the Americans going to fight? !!!!!! not really in Israel? !!!!!
                        Quote: Tourist's Breakfast
                        So what's up with Syria? Why did the insidious and vicious NATO never start aggression? Your version.

                        if you really think that Syria would have held out against NATO intervention on its own, then you will forgive ...
                        Yes, she could pat on NATO, and coffins would go home that the electorate does not like very much, but in the event of a war with Russia it will be a different war, a war of annihilation and coffins will not play any role here either as the electorate.
                      2. Tourist Breakfast
                        Tourist Breakfast 17 November 2013 14: 47
                        0
                        but in the event of a war with Russia, it will be another war, a war of annihilation and coffins will no longer play a role here as well as the electorate.

                        Why does Europe need a "war of annihilation" with Russia? In what scenario can this happen under current conditions?
                      3. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 17 November 2013 17: 19
                        0
                        why did you need the first world war, the second ?!
                        you either forgive the stupid or openly fool around, and in one and the other case it makes no sense to argue with you
                      4. Tourist Breakfast
                        Tourist Breakfast 17 November 2013 17: 43
                        0
                        why did you need the first world war, the second ?!
                        you either forgive the stupid or openly fool around, and in one and the other case it makes no sense to argue with you


                        I forgive you. Keep sitting in your trench. Good luck!
                2. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 17 November 2013 13: 06
                  0
                  Quote: Tourist's Breakfast
                  TNW and you have it, right

                  I didn’t ask you if there is nuclear weapons in Russia; I asked what Amer’s nuclear weapons do in geyrop.
                  Quote: Tourist's Breakfast
                  And they need missile defense, because they themselves are afraid of you

                  that is, the bases are still directed against Russia?
                3. Tourist Breakfast
                  Tourist Breakfast 17 November 2013 14: 45
                  0
                  I didn’t ask you if there is nuclear weapons in Russia; I asked what Amer’s nuclear weapons do in geyrop.

                  From airbases in Europe, it’s nevertheless closer to fly to the same North Africa or to BV than from America.

                  that is, the bases are still directed against Russia?

                  Naturally against Russia as well. Just not against today's Putin's Russia, which provides an uninterrupted supply of energy resources, the elite children of which study in London, etc., etc. And against that unpredictable Russia, which may arise in the place of the present, when Putin and Co. do not become and the division of power begins.
                4. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 17 November 2013 17: 17
                  0
                  Quote: Tourist's Breakfast
                  closer to fly to the same North Africa or BV than from America

                  you're serious, I'm sorry, but you no longer even pretend to be. against whom can TNW be used in Africa or the Middle East? !! fool
                  Quote: Tourist's Breakfast
                  Naturally against Russia as well.

                  everything, the question is closed
    2. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 16 November 2013 14: 17
      +1
      you do not include the fool and do not mow under the idiot
    3. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 16 November 2013 14: 22
      +2
      http://yandex.ru/clck/jsredir?from=yandex.ru%3Byandsearch%3Bweb%3B%3B&text=%D0%B
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      read the document is extremely exciting, and then explain the US TNW in Europe against whom it is directed
  • Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 16 November 2013 13: 20
    +3
    Quote: Tourist Breakfast
    It seems that no one really read the article here. The author does not say that the West is good. He claims that today the West is weak and fragmented, and therefore does not pose such a serious threat to Russia, as they tell you.

    What the author claims and why you repeat, alas, does not really matter. Already to us, from within NATO, this is completely obvious. hi
    1. Tourist Breakfast
      Tourist Breakfast 16 November 2013 13: 38
      -4
      Is Estonia going to attack Russia in any way? Refuel your plane with kerosene already?
      1. Peaceful military
        Peaceful military 16 November 2013 14: 26
        +6
        Quote: Tourist Breakfast
        Is Estonia going to attack Russia in any way? Refuel your plane with kerosene already?

        Funny, only NATO is not one in Estonia. hi
      2. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 16 November 2013 14: 39
        +6
        it feels like you are mowing a temple girl under an idiot.

        "Estonian Foreign Minister Urmas Paet said that a NATO military base for patrolling the airspace of the Baltic states by the alliance forces will be located in Estonia in the very near future, reports Baltijalv.lv.

        According to the minister, the goal of the strategic object will be to control the airspace of the Baltic states. Paet added that reconstruction of the air base at Emari (a military airfield in Estonia’s Harju County) is nearing completion, where NATO forces will be deployed next year.

        The decision to establish a military base was made last year at a summit in Chicago. The base will operate on an ongoing basis,
        without a fixed deadline. "
        http://www.newsbalt.ru/detail/?ID=8712
      3. Old skeptic
        Old skeptic 16 November 2013 16: 04
        +2
        Do you remember a person like POP GAPON? I don’t know what years you fell asleep, but google it.
  • 0255
    0255 16 November 2013 13: 35
    +1
    Quote: Tourist Breakfast
    It would not hurt the author to read not only liberal articles about the good west, it is written there about good values, freedom and other rubbish ....


    It seems that no one really read the article here. The author does not say that the West is good. He claims that today the West is weak and fragmented, and therefore does not pose such a serious threat to Russia, as they tell you.

    it was already a pity the US and NATO, as they turn out, are weak and fragmented crying
  • Tatarus
    Tatarus 16 November 2013 15: 03
    +3
    What a fearless protector of the author. I admire your courage. But again. This is not paid PR. This is paid PR.
  • Nagaibak
    Nagaibak 16 November 2013 10: 21
    +3
    Patient Khramchikhin again noted. It is still unknown who has paranoia.
    1. Tatarus
      Tatarus 16 November 2013 15: 04
      +1
      He has schizophrenia
  • Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 16 November 2013 10: 31
    +9
    photo touching truth can be given by others as an example


  • duchy
    duchy 16 November 2013 10: 46
    +4
    Even the minus can not be put. Such a byak. fool
  • ZU-23
    ZU-23 16 November 2013 10: 50
    +3
    What kind of a stranger is this)))
  • Volodya Sibiryak
    Volodya Sibiryak 16 November 2013 10: 54
    +6
    I really want to mash up, but the rules of the site forbid it, so I will advise the author to fix his head, although this will not help him.
    1. 0255
      0255 16 November 2013 13: 39
      +3
      Quote: Volodya Sibiryak
      I really want to mash up, but the rules of the site forbid it, so I will advise the author to fix his head, although this will not help him.

      Moreover, the dough paid by the West to the author should be enough for any expensive clinic wassat wassat wassat
  • Proud.
    Proud. 16 November 2013 11: 03
    +8
    Anti-Western paranoia quite a long time ago acquired in Russia the character of a severe collective mental illness
    Khramchikhin, a doctor? No. This means that this is not a diagnosis, but an insult.
    NATO BASES AROUND RUSSIA NO
    I, as a "paranoid conspiracy theorist", spied on from other "paranoid conspiracy theorists" such information ... Federal Law of the Russian Federation of June 7, 2007 N 99-FZ "On the Ratification of the Agreement between the States Parties to the North Atlantic of the treaty and other states participating in the Partnership for Peace program on the status of their Forces dated June 19, 1995 and the Additional Protocol to it ". Adopted by the State Duma on May 23, 2007. Adopted by the State Duma on May 23, 2007. http://www.rg.ru/2007/06/16/partnesrstvo-doc.html
    Of course, in Russia it is considered an axiom that the “Arab spring” is fully organized by the West, primarily, of course, the United States.
    And I think. It's just that the process got out of hand.
    The fact is that today the only real religion for almost all Russians is money.
    Khramchikhin, you yourself answered your own statement. I quote: "... Therefore, they judge everyone by themselves and everywhere look for an economic rationale ..." So don't judge by yourself.
    Alas, the Russians really do not want to see the obvious facts, even if they lie on the surface. Paranoia and conspiracy are much more interesting.
    Khramchikhin was distanced. Therefore, I will ask sternly, "Why did they not serve in the Army!? Huh!?". "Why did they fake it, in 1996 !?".
    In a broader sense of Russia, it is time to seriously abandon West-centric thinking, which affects more than 90% of the population, including almost the entire elite. For most, the West is an Absolute Evil that must be confronted for the sake of confrontation, regardless of whether this confrontation is in Russia's national interests.
    Looks like it, Anatolich ... It turns out that most people think incorrectly, and only Khramchikhin is the most brains of Moscow.
    For the minority, the West is an Absolute Good, in which Russia must dissolve, and the very concept of “national interests of Russia” must be equated with profanity.
    Oops ... And why was there such an opus to sprinkle? If only one appeal-Russia should "lie" under the West?
    Meanwhile, the West is neither Absolute Evil nor Absolute Good. He is just a part of human civilization.
    As a "paranoid conspiracy theorist" I will say the crap part, parasitic.
  • Ezhaak
    Ezhaak 16 November 2013 11: 20
    +8
    Of course, in Russia it is considered an axiom that the “Arab spring” is fully organized by the West, primarily, of course, the United States.

    What bullshit. This is the work of the hands of Russia and its last, like Burkina Faso! If you look closely, you can find traces of Russian bombers masquerading as NATO planes over Libya.

    Khramchikhin Alexander Anatolyevich (born June 3, 1967) is a Russian political scientist. He graduated from the Physics Department of Moscow State University in 1990. He did not serve in the army.
    In 1995-1996, he worked in the analytical structures of the electoral headquarters of the party "Our Home - Russia" in the elections to the State Duma, then the headquarters of Boris Yeltsin in the presidential election.
    Awesome career! From dirt to Kings! As soon as possible. This person is worthy of attention.
    1. kaktus
      kaktus 16 November 2013 20: 52
      +1
      And why did the 1990-95 fall? Here, probably, the most important part of a career recourse
  • Samadhi
    Samadhi 16 November 2013 11: 31
    +3
    I didn’t read it. I read the comments, I read the article. the author seems to live in his comfortable world.
  • Corporal
    Corporal 16 November 2013 11: 31
    +5
    that is, no oil is needed; no pro-Western government is needed; there is no controlled chaos?

    So Iraq, Libya, etc. it's just from sadomasochistic inclinations, just like to kill the defenseless? Prior to this article, I had a higher opinion of NATO.
  • Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 16 November 2013 11: 38
    +7
    From the article it turns out that the West is "silky and fluffy." The bombing of Yugoslavia and Libya, Iraq and the inglorious Afghanistan, barely stopped by "barbaric" Moscow, the war in Syria, are these stages of NATO's "humanistic" activities? And the desire of the alliance to get closer to the borders of Russia, is this the same NATO measures to strengthen "friendship" with the West?
  • Zymran
    Zymran 16 November 2013 11: 51
    -12 qualifying.
    Anti-Western paranoia has long acquired the character of a severe collective mental illness in Russia, and conspiracy theology based on this paranoia will probably soon become an official science (along with astrology).
    ====

    + 100500 millions. In Kazakhstan, we also have a certain proportion of hamsters affected by this disease. Mostly young people of Russian nationality, but there are Kazakhs and even adults over the years of 35.
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 16 November 2013 12: 00
      +2
      Quote: Zymran
      Mostly young people of Russian nationality

      Who would doubt that
    2. Peaceful military
      Peaceful military 16 November 2013 13: 12
      +6
      Quote: Zymran
      Anti-Western paranoia has long acquired the character of a severe collective mental illness in Russia, and conspiracy theology based on this paranoia will probably soon become an official science (along with astrology).
      ====

      + 100500 millions. In Kazakhstan, we also have a certain proportion of hamsters affected by this disease. Mostly young people of Russian nationality, but there are Kazakhs and even adults over the years of 35.

      Congratulations on your dislocated brain! I am glad that your adults have not lost their minds, in contrast to the madness of young people, affected by the Internet and lack of education, which is, by the way, a purposeful policy of the "West" against the peoples of the republics of the USSR. It's easier with us, because we see everything with our own eyes. hi
      1. Zymran
        Zymran 16 November 2013 13: 28
        -9
        To quote our Israeli friend:

        The author does not say that the West is good. He claims that today the West is weak and fragmented, and therefore does not pose such a serious threat to Russia, as they tell you.


        Congratulations on a dislocation of the brain! I’m glad that your adults haven’t lost their minds, in contrast to the madness of young animals, struck by the Internet and uneducation,


        Blame the external forces, the West, the Anglo-Saxons, the Freemasons, and there is a dislocation of the brain.
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 16 November 2013 14: 06
          +5
          Quote: Zymran
          Blame the external forces, the West, the Anglo-Saxons, the Freemasons, and there is a dislocation of the brain.

          Well, firstly, no one blames the West FOR EVERYTHING, and the ox of the second does not know elementary historical facts, this is a dislocation of the brain
          1. Zymran
            Zymran 16 November 2013 14: 24
            -7
            What kind of facts?
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 16 November 2013 14: 43
              +3
              The fact that the revolution, not to mention natural disasters, happened in an era when the West in its current understanding simply did not exist
              it wouldn’t hurt you to learn the same story
        2. Peaceful military
          Peaceful military 16 November 2013 14: 45
          +3
          Quote: Zymran
          Blame the external forces, the West, the Anglo-Saxons, the Freemasons, and there is a dislocation of the brain.

          Do not confuse warm with soft. I’m not blaming anyone for anything. This is the prerogative of judges and JUDGES. I only compare the facts. You, with a dislocated brain, smear people, stating
          In Kazakhstan, we also have a certain proportion of hamsters affected by this disease. Mostly young people of Russian nationality, but there are Kazakhs and even adults over 35 years old.
          hi
          1. Zymran
            Zymran 16 November 2013 15: 27
            -8
            Quote: Peaceful military

            Do not confuse warm with soft. I’m not blaming anyone for anything. This is the prerogative of judges and JUDGES. I only compare the facts.


            More precisely, you pull facts onto the delusional theories of your dislocated brain. bully
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 16 November 2013 15: 41
              +5
              You have not yet given a single example in favor of the article, but at the same time you are already rude to everyone.
              can you say something on the subject?
              1. Zymran
                Zymran 16 November 2013 15: 48
                -4
                I have never been rude to anyone first, dear Vladimir. And for some reason you do not notice a stream of insults towards the author of the article.
                1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 16 November 2013 17: 28
                  +3
                  a person frankly does not know the topic, writes nonsense and stupidity, do you think you need to shower it with roses? now further
                  In Kazakhstan, we also have a certain proportion of hamsters affected by this disease. Mostly young people of Russian nationality
                  you think not an insult?
                2. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 16 November 2013 17: 29
                  +2
                  a person frankly does not know the topic, writes nonsense and stupidity, do you think you need to shower it with roses? now further
                  In Kazakhstan, we also have a certain proportion of hamsters affected by this disease. Mostly young people of Russian nationality
                  you think not an insult?
            2. Peaceful military
              Peaceful military 16 November 2013 19: 40
              +2
              Quote: Zymran
              More precisely, you pull facts onto the delusional theories of your dislocated brain. bully

              Give one example, please. fool
        3. Tatarus
          Tatarus 16 November 2013 15: 07
          +2
          Quote: Zymran
          To quote our Israeli friend:


          Friend it looks like your personal
  • Ustas
    Ustas 16 November 2013 11: 51
    +5
    Author Alexander Khramchikhin

    How much silver has it sold, Judah?
    1. july
      july 16 November 2013 12: 16
      +2
      The rhetorical question is over 30! fellow
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 16 November 2013 12: 19
        +2
        maybe he likes the process
      2. 0255
        0255 16 November 2013 13: 43
        +1
        Quote: Ustas
        Author Alexander Khramchikhin

        How much silver has it sold, Judah?

        Quote: July
        The rhetorical question is over 30! fellow

        Alexander Khramchikhin for sale for dollars wassat
  • july
    july 16 November 2013 12: 14
    +3
    Quote: Hedgehog
    Khramchikhin Alexander Anatolyevich (born June 3, 1967) is a Russian political scientist.

    Yes, guys, one of two things, or the man has "not all houses", which is unlikely, or he was simply paid stupidly, most likely. Conclusion - .... venal!
    1. Zymran
      Zymran 16 November 2013 12: 44
      -8
      I also doubted the adequacy of the author when I read his article, where he argued that the Belarusian army would deal with the Bundeswehr in two ways. laughing But this article shows that he also has adequate thoughts.
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 16 November 2013 12: 56
        +4
        But what is the adequacy do not tell me ?!
        in the fact that he openly breaches stating that there are no NATO military bases on the borders of Russia or that the west is by no means facing the coups in Russia ?!
  • Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 16 November 2013 12: 51
    +5
    "There will be no Georgian offensive, it is absolutely out of the question. Georgia has no chance of victory. Its army, of course, is larger than the South Ossetian army, but, nevertheless, it is not big enough to capture the territory of South Ossetia and hold it. And, really all the more, if Georgia wanted to start a war, it would start it not so idiotically.The only chance for it to win is a blitzkrieg, that is, an absolutely sudden massive blow, first of all, on the leadership of South Ossetia and its armed forces, and not senseless machine-gun and mortar attacks, which do not cause any damage to anyone and at the same time warn Ossetians that the war is about to begin, "the expert says.
    07.08.08

    Подробности: http://www.regnum.ru/news/1037955.html#ixzz2knS9Z9e3
  • andrey777
    andrey777 16 November 2013 12: 54
    +4
    Interestingly, the author wrote an article: if you put it minus it’s paranoid, and if you put it minus it’s the enemy of Russia. And as a result, the propaganda of the West is how soft and fluffy they are. And what the USSR collapsed and how the people starved and drank in the 90s. At that very time, the United States grew fat on our grief, and now they get what they deserve.
  • Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 16 November 2013 13: 03
    +5
    Delirium, as it is inherent in it, is incoherent, but very harmful + a colossal lie.
    At the beginning of this year, the latest Abrams left Europe for the States.

    At the same time, an operation was carried out to transfer the Abrams to Estonia, through the port of Paldiski and not only them, but the expeditionary corps. I couldn't hear them being taken back ...
    NATO BASES AROUND RUSSIA NO

    Of course not, except for the whole Baltic, Poland, Bulgaria, Romania, etc., where there are hundreds of these bases.
    The just-ended exercises of NATO and the northern countries "Steadfast Jazz" very clearly demonstrated what NATO is and where this "dove of peace" is aiming and demonstrated the lies and stupidity of Khramchikhin.
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  • 528Obrp
    528Obrp 16 November 2013 13: 10
    +6
    ВGenerally, “seizing oil”, while incurring huge military expenses, is pointless simply because the main goal of oil producing countries is to sell as much of this oil as possible, and best of all, to the West. On the other hand, for at least 10 years the United States has been deliberately working to increase its own oil production and, accordingly, reduce imports. Moreover, primarily imports are reduced precisely from the Gulf region, this is Washington’s official strategy. Therefore, the entire oil version of the actions of the West is nothing more than another paranoid delirium. And especially - in relation to the "Arab spring".

    The author replaces the concepts and dances from here. Oil is not "capture"/ Only production and transportation are controlled. Crane - on or off, hence the price of oil is higher or lower. And it does not matter who gets it, the main thing is who controls it. The author would have looked better at the map than to write such nonsense.

    PS
    And the author’s nose in the video, where am. warriors kick the kids with their feet and shoot civilians from a helicopter. In general, the author has anti-Russian diarrhea.
    And the cure for it is a good kick in brand ... eh
  • Just
    Just 16 November 2013 13: 27
    +4
    Another liberal nonsense.
  • Atenon
    Atenon 16 November 2013 13: 31
    +4
    Rave. "Man" writes from Durkee?
  • Harmony
    Harmony 16 November 2013 13: 52
    +6
    Such a scribbler will "whiten" Hitler. He will write that like: “for nothing we destroyed his army, offended him, he would not have done anything with such a weak army and worthless politics. And these Russians have made a fuss and anti-fascism for 60 years after the war, they have been exploiting them. people."
  • TeaOK
    TeaOK 16 November 2013 14: 16
    +2
    Another pro-Western propaganda article, in the first sentence a summary of the entire article.