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Rogozin: F-35 inferior to the Russian PAK FA

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The fifth-generation Russian fighter PAK FA (promising aviation front-line aviation complex) surpasses the American F-35, said Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin at a plenary meeting of the Technoprom international forum in Novosibirsk.

According to him, the price of the F-35 fighter developed in the USA, which is intended to replace the F-16 and F-18, has already increased from the initial 70 million dollars to 150. At the same time, "the terms of its adoption for service are constantly shifting, and combat effectiveness is doubtful," RIA "News».

“And we are evoked by a sense of hope and confidence that the fifth-generation combat fighter we are creating is an aviation complex of front-line aviation, this is the development of Sukhoi,” he already now seems to be superior to the American F-35 fighter, although he is also now in the stage of fine-tuning to the mind, ”said Rogozin.

At the end of October, the fifth prototype of the PAK FA first flew into Komsomolsk-on-Amur. In August, it was reported that the Air Force will receive the first copy of the PAK FA already in the third quarter of 2013, and in the fourth quarter it will begin state tests.

Until recently, four PAK FAs participated in the flight test program. The last fighter from this four made an independent flight from the Far East to Zhukovsky near Moscow in January of the current year. Two more fighters were tested on the ground.

Earlier, it was promised that, until the end of 2013, eight such machines would be involved in the trials.

According to the United Engine Corporation, by the end of the decade, the T-50 (PAK FA) will begin to be equipped with fundamentally new engines of the fifth generation of the second stage.

T-50 (project PAK FA) - the aircraft of the fifth generation, equipped with a fundamentally new complex of avionics and advanced radar with a phased antenna array.

The first flight took place on 29 on January 2010 of the year in Komsomolsk-on-Amur, the first public demonstration of the fighter on 17 on August 2011 of the year at the MAKS-2011 international aerospace show in Zhukovsky near Moscow.

The F-35 fighter-bomber is being developed in three versions for the Air Force, the Marine Corps and the US Navy, the approximate nearest date of delivery to service is the 2016 year, the estimated base cost of the new aircraft is 75 million dollars.

The American fighter of the fifth generation F-35 was developed by aircraft manufacturer Lockheed Martin. A number of experts have identified deficiencies in the F-35, due to which the plane, in their opinion, is more in tune with the fourth-generation fighter with a plus sign.

In February, a ban on test flights was introduced, after a crack was discovered in the turbine blades of one of the prototypes. Flights were resumed in April. According to the original plans, the US wanted to purchase about 2,8 thousand F-35 in three modifications and at least 600 fighter jets to supply the nine closest allies (including the NATO countries).
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  1. Same lech
    Same lech 16 November 2013 06: 54 New
    +7
    This aviation complex has very great prospects - on its basis it is possible to make a whole family of modernized aircraft.
    1. bodriy
      bodriy 16 November 2013 06: 56 New
      45
      Yes, I put on what he says ... A letter to the administration about Serdyukov, we write no ?! Option to collect signatures, let our tsar understand that we are not "fools", and we do not need such movements !!!
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 16 November 2013 06: 59 New
        +7
        Quote: bodriy
        .. A letter to the administration about Serdyukov write no?

        Probably wrote, I ask you to approve the position of Director General A. Serdyukov
        1. bodriy
          bodriy 16 November 2013 07: 04 New
          +5
          initiative needs to be shown, initiative ... you can write a letter, you can collect signatures in the social network, you need to move, so we should not spit on our opinion request
          1. ybrcfy27
            ybrcfy27 16 November 2013 07: 25 New
            -4
            initiative is punishable
            1. Arberes
              Arberes 16 November 2013 12: 21 New
              +4
              Quote: bodriy
              you can write a letter

              LETTER? "To the village PUTIN"?
              1. VAF
                VAF 16 November 2013 12: 24 New
                +8
                Quote: Arberes
                "To the village PUTIN"?


                Only which one? And then he them, or rather for him, are so built that .. "postage stamps" will not be enough and what to do ... with home delivery? wassat
                Well now hello friend drinks
                1. Arberes
                  Arberes 16 November 2013 12: 31 New
                  +3
                  Quote: vaf
                  Only in which?

                  Yes, at least in what! The answer obviously will not follow, since the idea was initially not capable! In our country, they listen to us only when hands to hatchets begin to reach out! Classic and classic again!
                  Hello VETERAN! Glad to read your mind! drinks
                2. Botanologist
                  Botanologist 16 November 2013 12: 37 New
                  +3
                  Quote: vaf
                  and what to do ... with home delivery?


                  Will deliver bully together with the author.

                  But seriously - sick of such news.
                  Greetings, dear drinks
                  1. VAF
                    VAF 16 November 2013 12: 51 New
                    +3
                    Quote: Botanologist
                    But seriously - sick of such news


                    Hi Egor! drinks No need to say.... recourse , of course still ... not "at least sing songs. howl like a wolf", but it's already close crying and most importantly, there is no "light at the end of the tunnel" request

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                      1. Arberes
                        Arberes 16 November 2013 13: 10 New
                        +2
                        Quote: atalef
                        Yes, Seryozha is light

                        I appreciated your joke! It is also beautiful !!! You definitely +
                      2. Corsair
                        Corsair 17 November 2013 06: 48 New
                        +1
                        Quote: atalef
                        Yes, Seryozha is light

                        Evaluation of the comment and picture "+", in a different context I would take it as vulgarity, but now "in acckurat" ...
                    2. Botanologist
                      Botanologist 16 November 2013 13: 01 New
                      +3
                      Quote: vaf
                      there is no "light at the end of the tunnel


                      let's not be pessimists. Still, I am a supporter that they will not break us, no matter how they try. drinks
                      1. VAF
                        VAF 16 November 2013 13: 15 New
                        +2
                        Quote: Botanologist
                        let's not be pessimists. Still, I am a supporter that they will not break us, no matter how they try.


                        Yes, it is clear that we are "broken. It's like one thing lol .. to stupid ", but ... did not want to. That would bring things to extremes ... but they do!
                        The extreme "thought" from the LADY (you can't call it otherwise fool ) about the prepayment of the total housing and communal services ???? belay
                        The people say that they are already drawn to the "revolution". recourse
                        And where is "Solntselikiy" looking "
                        Correct photo dear Atalef "laid out" .... that's where He looks recourse like the soldier who .. "only thinks about her" wassat

                        And what pessimism is there, if there is only one Realism around, and what kind of wassat
                      2. sasharos
                        sasharos 16 November 2013 13: 52 New
                        0
                        Guys, do not you believe in the tsar priest, these are all his thieves-roots, but he himself is generally "terry": LIKE PUTIN AND HIS FRIEND TIMCHENKO, NOW OFFICIALLY OWNING Gunvor Group, EARNED THEIR FIRST MILLIONS. Putin met Timchenko in the late 80s, when Gennady Nikolayevich worked at an oil refinery in the city of Kirishi and held an inconspicuous position in the plant's sales department. Then the company Golden Gate11 was created, the founders of which were the Department of Foreign Economic Relations (Putin) and the structures of Mr. Timchenko. Soon the company is selling 100 thousand tons of petroleum products. At current prices, this is about $ 70 million. However, no food was received in St. Petersburg12. In 1992, deputies of the Leningrad City Council, headed by Marina Salie, created a commission to investigate scams related to the foreign economic activities of Putin and the mayor's office. The results of the commission's work were made public. However, the criminal case did not come to light, Sobchak hushed up. "
                      3. Koryak
                        Koryak 16 November 2013 14: 10 New
                        0
                        Here are those naaa ....
                    3. Botanologist
                      Botanologist 16 November 2013 21: 46 New
                      0
                      Quote: vaf
                      Extreme "thought" from LADY


                      DAM has every thought ... as extreme crying
      2. FunkschNNX
        FunkschNNX 16 November 2013 10: 37 New
        0
        For example, like this: https://www.roi.ru/
        The e-government website seems to have a similar service.
      3. VAF
        VAF 16 November 2013 11: 40 New
        +9
        Quote: bodriy
        , you can collect signatures in the social network, you need to move, so they should not care about our opinion


        And you can also .. "goat .. to the cart" wassat I apologize in advance for being rude hi
        Spit 20 years and will continue to do the same, only progress in this regard! am

        The "policy" of the "RULERS" is as follows - give them taxes and do not meddle with your problems and do not claim the resources of the country and the budget - there is not enough for everyone, according to their appetites! wassat
        1. Aaron Zawi
          Aaron Zawi 16 November 2013 11: 49 New
          +4
          Respected VAF , but after all, how is it customary for you "winged" to consider a priori twin-engine superior to single-engine? What's the news then? PAK FA already in its idea surpasses the F-35 in the case of WB, and the only chance of the latter is long-range explosive missiles and quantitative superiority. I understand correctly?
          1. VAF
            VAF 16 November 2013 12: 01 New
            +5
            Quote: Aron Zaavi
            What is the news then?


            And I myself don’t know, to be honest request I just saw the T-50 in the name, well, and "came out" with the news and no more wink

            And to discuss the "bloopers" of Dmitry Olegovich ... it's not to respect yourself ... I would also compare Lada Kalina and some Mers lol , while "proving". that it is the same car, not a vehicle.

            Quote: Aron Zaavi
            the only chance of the latter is long-range explosive rockets and quantitative superiority. I understand correctly?


            And absolutely +! But it will be necessary to see in "practice" .. who will see whom.
            But in a pack of course yes, because. the T-50 may not have enough missiles for everyone, although here is the same "catch". The "Penguin" already has missiles, but on the T-50 ..... everything "has no analogues in the world" wassat (this is my sarcasm after yesterday, well, not much because of the knowledge of "situevina" bully )

            So ... wait, sir drinks
      4. zvereok
        zvereok 16 November 2013 12: 09 New
        +1
        The idea is of course a good one, ready to sign up. But the letter about the deprivation of Gorbach’s order, as if hinting.
    2. VAF
      VAF 16 November 2013 11: 35 New
      12
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      I ask you to approve the position of Director General A. Serdyukov


      Sanya, hello! That's just "settled down", and you again .. "reminded" about Stouretkin wassat

      Give those better about the good! Today at 10.00 local T-50-5 "left" on the route to LII fellow
      1. Associate Professor
        Associate Professor 16 November 2013 11: 38 New
        0
        Well, that's great. I hope you post his photo in a new color
      2. cherkas.oe
        cherkas.oe 16 November 2013 13: 30 New
        0
        Quote: vaf
        Give those better about the good! Today at 10.00 local T-50-5 "left" on the route to LII

        Hooray! thank God. good drinks
  2. Warrawar
    Warrawar 16 November 2013 07: 55 New
    +8
    Quote: bodriy
    Yes, I put on what he says ... A letter to the administration about Serdyukov, we write no ?! Option to collect signatures, let our tsar understand that we are not "fools", and we do not need such movements !!!

    Bodriy until the multimillion-dollar demonstrations take to the streets and the king moves a finger .... they generally don’t really care what we think and want.
    1. alone
      alone 16 November 2013 13: 04 New
      +2
      Quote: Warrawar
      Bodriy until the multimillion-dollar demonstrations take to the streets and the king moves a finger .... they generally don’t really care what we think and want.


      the king will think and send OMON with batons against you.
      1. Max otto
        Max otto 16 November 2013 22: 35 New
        +2
        Quote: lonely
        Quote: Warrawar
        Bodriy until the multimillion-dollar demonstrations take to the streets and the king moves a finger .... they generally don’t really care what we think and want.


        the king will think and send OMON with batons against you.

        By the way, for information. One king sent his riot police in 1905 to disperse the demonstration, in 1918 he was shot. Now things are moving faster. So Comrade Warrawar's message is quite reasonable.
        1. Warrawar
          Warrawar 17 November 2013 06: 17 New
          0
          Quote: Max Otto
          By the way, for information. One king sent his riot police in 1905

          With the massacre of 1905, the situation is dark ... there is a version that it was a provocation, with a mishandled Cossack who shot from the crowd in the military, and those in response laid the crowd.
  3. ATATA
    ATATA 16 November 2013 09: 17 New
    +6
    Quote: bodriy
    Yes, I put on what he says ... A letter to the administration about Serdyukov, we write no ?! Option to collect signatures, let our tsar understand that we are not "fools", and we do not need such movements !!!

    If you do not respond ... we will write in Sportloto!

    Stop breaking the comedy.
  4. FunkschNNX
    FunkschNNX 16 November 2013 10: 19 New
    0
    After all, there is already such a site, where they draw up popular initiatives, put them to a vote, and if any votes are gathered, then they pass it to the Duma and all that. Somehow I voted there, but I forgot the name, I have to joke on the Internet.
    1. Warrawar
      Warrawar 16 November 2013 11: 33 New
      0
      Russian public initiative
      https://www.roi.ru
    2. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 16 November 2013 15: 37 New
      +1
      Quote: Фкенщь13
      After all, there is already such a site
  5. Associate Professor
    Associate Professor 16 November 2013 11: 03 New
    +4
    Quote: bodriy
    let our king understand that we are not "fools"

    You are 100 years late with letters to the king
  6. avg
    avg 16 November 2013 12: 10 New
    +1
    Yes, I put on what he says ... A letter to the administration about Serdyukov write no?

    We write. We do not pay attention to the "wise minnows". However, as always, everyone chooses for himself.
    Website kremlin.ru. I sent yesterday.
  7. sasharos
    sasharos 16 November 2013 13: 44 New
    +3
    but the king is not real ...
  • Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 16 November 2013 07: 39 New
    15
    he already now, in our senses, surpasses the American fighter smile and what exactly are the sensations? repeat Rogozin is such an authoritative expert ...
    1. Login_Off
      Login_Off 16 November 2013 08: 21 New
      10
      The PAK FA should not be compared with the F-35 ac F-22, at least because how many cars the Russian army plans to buy. I'm not even saying that even the Americans admit that the F-35 is "under-five".
      1. HollyGremlin
        HollyGremlin 16 November 2013 10: 18 New
        +4
        Yes, if we were planning to buy 3 cars. PAK FA can be 10 times cooler than an American, but it makes sense if there are only a few. We are no longer in the 20th century when a bomber could be assembled for children from plywood in the rear in a month.
      2. AVV
        AVV 16 November 2013 10: 45 New
        +3
        In fact, why, compare with the obviously worse version of the F-35, you need to compare with the analog, F-22! And then there will be no objective information that we have better and what they have !!!
      3. theadenter
        theadenter 16 November 2013 11: 00 New
        -1
        It is probably more appropriate to compare the F-35 with the Su-35.
  • askort154
    askort154 16 November 2013 14: 27 New
    +5
    Quote ... "It is already OUR FEELING superior to the American F-35 fighter, although it is now also in the stage of fine-tuning," Rogozin said.

    "FEELING" - a new criterion for assessing the flight technical and combat qualities of an aircraft, among modern TOP managers, station wagons, advertisers ?! (something began to smell of Ragozin, Serdyukovism)
    1. ATATA
      ATATA 16 November 2013 16: 04 New
      +2
      Quote: askort154
      "FEELING" - a new criterion for assessing the flight technical and combat qualities of an aircraft, among modern TOP managers, station wagons, advertisers ?! (something began to smell of Ragozin, Serdyukovism)

      good drinks laughing
  • tronin.maxim
    tronin.maxim 16 November 2013 06: 55 New
    -3
    Yeah, problems with the f-35 one by one. Although we are what we, most importantly, flies, we are waiting in combat units.
  • zloi_dekabr
    zloi_dekabr 16 November 2013 06: 59 New
    +1
    The F-35 is a pen ... a project for "pop-peeling", it's not for nothing that it's not a year, the price is growing)) And in the future, I think, the US F-35 will not bring it to mind, but it will endlessly " modernize ", because everyone needs money)) Well, on the PAK FA (they did not forget, India is in the share) It does not fly badly, now the new engines will bring to mind, and ..... Specialists say that F- 22 our T-50 will not be good enough)) Well, God forbid, Russia will have more such aircraft in the future! Peaceful sky overhead for everyone, and God bless us only at parades and air shows on T-50s to admire!
    1. True
      True 16 November 2013 11: 26 New
      +6
      Quote: zloi_dekabr
      Specialists say that the F-22 is not good for our T-50
      They also say that for a country in which they purposefully destroyed production, education, etc. several decades is fantastic. Rather, HERE drank dough and PR.
      1. alone
        alone 16 November 2013 12: 11 New
        10
        Rogozin is a politician and PR man. Only aviation specialists and professional pilots who controlled both aircraft and know the pros and cons of these aircraft can talk about the superiority of the T-50 over the F-35. Can Rogozin who controlled these aircraft witness a joint training exercise with these aircraft? or is Rogozin an outstanding aircraft designer to make such statements? say this is not bags to turn back.

        P.S. praise domestic equipment only because it is domestic and spread rot
        someone else’s only because she’s someone else’s, unprofessional approach. it already smells like cheers-patriotism. ura-patriots, whoa, where are you and your minuses? laughing
        1. VAF
          VAF 16 November 2013 12: 21 New
          +9
          Quote: lonely
          . Praise domestic equipment only because it is domestic and spread rot
          a stranger only because she is a stranger, unprofessional approach. it already smells of cheers-patriotism


          Only +! soldier drinks
          1. alone
            alone 16 November 2013 12: 24 New
            +2
            Quote: vaf
            Only +!

            hi drinks
            1. Srgsoap
              Srgsoap 16 November 2013 12: 55 New
              +1
              I support you, only the pros! drinks
          2. Srgsoap
            Srgsoap 16 November 2013 12: 58 New
            +1
            Sergei welcome! drinks Your comments, as always with a good share of sarcasm and, as always, in the top ten. good
    2. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 16 November 2013 15: 15 New
      +2
      Quote: zloi_dekabr
      The F-35 is a pen ... a project for "pop-peeling", it’s not for nothing that the price rises for a year or so)) And in the future, I think, the US F-35 will not bring it to mind, but it will endlessly " modernize ", because everyone needs money))!
      instead of commenting request
      The F-35 Joint Strike Fighter program is confidently on track to achieve initial operational availability, scheduled for late 2015, reports flightglobal.com November 14th. Recently, the 100th fighter of this type was launched. “The F-35 is showing realistic deadlines, there is steady progress in all areas. Production is very stable, the price is decreasing, which is extremely important, ”says Captain Paul Overstreet. The head of the F-35 weapons systems program. Testing the Block 2B software is about a month behind schedule, but there’s confidence that the Marine Corps will announce the initial operational readiness of the F-35B in 2015. The U.S. Air Force will announce this milestone in 2016, the U.S. Navy in 2018. Tests of the brake hook of the aircraft carrier version of the F-35C should be completed in December this year. In late summer 2014, the aircraft will begin testing on the deck of an aircraft carrier.

      http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/f-35-on-track-to-meet-ioc-targets-offi
      cial-says-393029 /

    3. Praetorian
      Praetorian 16 November 2013 16: 01 New
      +2
      It’s ridiculous. F-22 how many years already in service and how many are there now? And PAK FA is still being finished. You would have compared the new Russian aircraft with the F-2050 in ~ 22, it would be surprising if it turns out to be worse. F-22 is time to write off (a joke, of course).
      1. True
        True 16 November 2013 17: 54 New
        +2
        No, in the 2050s, hordes of unmanned drones, right there assembled from kits, will take off from American aircraft carrier assembly lines.
  • makarov
    makarov 16 November 2013 07: 20 New
    +2
    It turns out (!), - well, thank God. So the process is ongoing, and there will be an end result.
  • xuy
    xuy 16 November 2013 07: 46 New
    +1
    Assumptions of doubt. Name something convincing. We’re not building an arba.
  • sashka
    sashka 16 November 2013 07: 56 New
    +4
    > The United States wanted to buy about 2,8 thousand F-35s in three modifications and at least 600
    These are not three pieces per year according to the plans of our industry.
    1. Chervonets
      Chervonets 16 November 2013 12: 09 New
      0
      Wanted - does not mean they can, despite the presence of a printing press.
      And it will be like:
      The American president’s administration is seriously considering a petition to create a Death Star, a space station capable of destroying planets.

      It is clear that it cannot be built.
      It is also clear that it is not possible to build 3000 third-generation fighters with elements of the fifth.
  • Grenader
    Grenader 16 November 2013 08: 06 New
    +9
    F-35 light fighter - T-50 heavy. It is more correct to compare the T-50 with the Raptor.
    1. ZU-23
      ZU-23 16 November 2013 09: 05 New
      -7
      There is no one else to see and compare, since the 22th generation F-4 has already been removed from service, but it can easily be argued with the SU-35, although I recently read a fairy tale that it is better than the T-50, and the 35th generation F-5 is less noticeable and lighter than 22, carries more weapons. If we compare the F-35 and T-50, then the Americans lose to the net in terms of flight performance of our T-50. I read it here))) http://pikabu.ru/story/tak_kto_zhe_korol_neba_f35_ili_t50_1458958
      1. Gooch v. 2
        Gooch v. 2 16 November 2013 10: 11 New
        +8
        Quote: ZU-23
        There is no one else to see and compare, since the 22th generation F-4 has already been removed from service, but it can easily be argued with the SU-35, although I recently read a fairy tale that it is better than the T-50, and the 35th generation F-5 is less noticeable and lighter than 22, carries more weapons. If we compare the F-35 and T-50, then the Americans lose to the net in terms of flight performance of our T-50.

        What does it mean filmed? F-22 multi-role fighter of the fifth generation is in service with the US Air Force. In 2011, the total F22 flight time was 100 thousand hours (8760 hours in a year) - 11 years of continuous flight. T-50 is NOT in service. The US Air Force is adopting the second type of fifth-generation fighter F-35. Okay Show posts from Picabu to schoolchildren.

        I believe that we have all the best! we produce the best cars in the world - vaz, gazelle, kamaz ... high-quality plumbing, yes those same toilet bowls that you need to climb into at the very moment, etc. and even more so, we are making the BEST fighters in the world that DO NOT HAVE ANALOGUES!
        1. xetai9977
          xetai9977 16 November 2013 13: 21 New
          +4
          Read the performance characteristics of Russian and American (and rafal). Weight, fuel consumption, electronic filling, etc. Questions will disappear if you are truly unbiased. The F-22 is a great aircraft. And besides, the Americans have already completed their production program, respectively, they are already working on the next generation aircraft. And PAK FA is not even launched into the series. Recently, an article appeared on the site about the Su-34 and Ka-32. And it says that they may be the best in Russia, but ALREADY inferior to serial Western counterparts, not to mention promising ones. Patriotism is good, but if the best samples begin to fail, just because they are Western, and praise is obviously inferior, because they are domestic, then this is not patriotism, but the ostrich's pose ...
          1. Gooch v. 2
            Gooch v. 2 16 November 2013 13: 39 New
            +1
            Quote: xetai9977
            Read the performance characteristics of Russian and American (and rafal). Weight, fuel consumption, electronic filling, etc. Questions will disappear if you are truly unbiased. The F-22 is a great aircraft. And besides, the Americans have already completed their production program, respectively, they are already working on the next generation aircraft. And PAK FA is not even launched into the series. Recently, an article appeared on the site about the Su-34 and Ka-32. And it says that they may be the best in Russia, but ALREADY inferior to serial Western counterparts, not to mention promising ones. Patriotism is good, but if the best samples begin to fail, just because they are Western, and praise is obviously inferior, because they are domestic, then this is not patriotism, but the ostrich's pose ...

            In a recent program on byd.losko.tokan.alu "Vesti-24", the journalist, without hesitation, announced to the public that the PAK-FAK OVERCOME the Pindossky fighter "Raptor", as much as 500 km / h!

            In fact, nerds, the situation is exactly the opposite - the EMPTY Raptor can be overclocked to 2,47 M (Mach numbers, 1 M = the speed of sound), while the empty PAK FA, theoretically with the currently installed engines " 1st deGeneration ", should reach only barely 2,0 M.

            1M at an altitude is usually taken equal to 1060 km / h; the exact value of M, expressed in the usual km / h, depends on the temperature and density of the air. Thus, PAK FA.K lags behind the Raptor by 500 km / h, but DOES NOT EXCEED it by the same 500 km / h.
            1. evil hamster
              evil hamster 16 November 2013 15: 52 New
              0
              Yes, yes, of course, Khryapa with an unregulated VZ, well, loves flying faster than a T50 with an adjustable.
            2. e3tozy
              e3tozy 16 November 2013 16: 21 New
              0
              Where did you pull this information? PAKFA still does not even have a standard serial aircraft for the conveyor. According to flight and combat characteristics, infa is classified, and as you think its combat profile (characteristics) is only going. In terms of aerial combat weapons, the rattles have no advantages in long-range combat or in medium combat (T-50 radars see further, missiles also hit it further), and in close combat it will simply tear it and rafu also, of course, Eurofighter. I read speed information in three different sources about Raptor, the data everywhere varies from 2200 to 2600. The T-50 has 2500 km / h and it holds it. At the expense of multipurpose rattles, while it's a fairy tale. It is a pure interceptor of long and medium range. F-35 (i.e. glamorous Yak-141) should work on the ground. In speed, during the conflict between Argentina and England, the British subsonic Hariers did the Argentinean; I don’t remember the exact make of the plane.
              1. Gooch v. 2
                Gooch v. 2 16 November 2013 17: 42 New
                +4
                all the rules, we’ll do it by cunning, the F-22 will not reach here. And if it flies, we will * hit, we will not fly to the battle, it will fly, fly and go home. Of course superior. Can reality surpass fantasy? F-22 riveted since 1997, two hundred pieces, and even managed to remove from production. And PAK FA - flying mass-size mock-ups with the number 4, and it seems that they will go into service in 2015. Or maybe not. Or maybe In 2015 they will say that it is obsolete and will be closed. Tell me about the performance characteristics of the AN / APG-77 radar. About how dumb it is and that Russian airborne radars are cooler.
                Tell me better about flying at supersonic speed without using afterburner. And how many modern aircraft are capable of this. MiG-31 is not an example, because.
                D-30F6 thrust on afterburner - 2? 5; 15 500 kgf.
                P&W F119-PW-100 static traction: 15876 kgf
                What engine is at PAK-FA? Goodbye stealth. Why do you think the rectangular shape of the nozzle was chosen for the F-22?
                American planes are probably very bad. But there are many of them and they are real.

                Or have you not heard how the "newest" Russkaya radar station Zhuk MAE fought at the Indian tender? Oh yeah, tell us more about avionics at the PAK FA, and we will hear how a country unable to create a normal cell phone will take over the leadership in instrument making.

                Foreign science and technology for the creation of aircraft, including engines, has gone far ahead. For about 30-50 years, I’m silent about avionics. And this is evident both in the quality of education and in the quality of production and in experimental development. F-22 was made for a specific purpose and he achieved it. This shows in general the level of difference between America and the rest of the technological world.
                1. xetai9977
                  xetai9977 16 November 2013 18: 02 New
                  0
                  About the Indian tender is generally better not to remember. They decided to compare Mig with Rafal ... And they are also surprised why they choose Western samples ...
                2. evil hamster
                  evil hamster 16 November 2013 18: 47 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Gooch v.2
                  all the rules, we’ll do it by cunning, F-22 will not reach here

                  Truly so.
                  Quote: Gooch v.2
                  Can reality surpass fantasy?
                  Definitely not your imagination to overcome is not real.
                  Quote: Gooch v.2
                  F-22 riveted since 1997, two hundred pieces
                  a little less
                  Quote: Gooch v.2
                  number 4
                  a little more laughing
                  Quote: Gooch v.2
                  and that Russian airborne radars are cooler
                  Russian radars are cooler - are you happy?
                  Quote: Gooch v.2
                  D-30F6 thrust on afterburner - 2? 5; 15 500 kgf.
                  P&W F119-PW-100 static traction: 15876 kgf
                  the figure for the full afterburner thrust is F119, but what is typical for a lower thrust 1,5 times larger MiG31 accelerates to 2,8M with rockets on the external sling as opposed to ... laughing
                  Quote: Gooch v.2
                  What engine is at PAK-FA?
                  ask Yandex maybe he is in the know?
                  Quote: Gooch v.2
                  Why do you think the rectangular shape of the nozzle was chosen for the F-22?
                  were afraid of the penetration of totalitarian radio waves into jo .. in the nozzle when they run away, no?
                  Quote: Gooch v.2
                  Or have you not heard how the "newest" Russkaya radar station Zhuk MAE got used to the Indian tender?
                  this is where the super hornet fucked up with his afar, no?
                  Quote: Gooch v.2
                  Foreign science and technology for the creation of aircraft, including engines, has gone far ahead. So for 30-50 years somewhere
                  that is, still not decided on 30 or 50? laughing
                  Quote: Gooch v.2
                  This shows in general the level of difference between America and the rest of the technological world.
                  Standing singing the United States of America anthem, looking towards a happy democratic future ...
                  1. Gooch v. 2
                    Gooch v. 2 16 November 2013 18: 59 New
                    -2
                    Quote: evil hamster
                    Standing singing the United States of America anthem, looking towards a happy democratic future ...

                    Sorry, I’ll correct, otherwise it’s taking you for a soul lol
                    1. evil hamster
                      evil hamster 16 November 2013 19: 03 New
                      -1
                      Oh, is that you? he will meet very well, only here the flag behind you is somehow not kosher, get used to it more quickly, otherwise the hour green will not be given!
                      1. Gooch v. 2
                        Gooch v. 2 16 November 2013 19: 11 New
                        0
                        Quote: evil hamster
                        Oh, is that you? he will meet very well, only here the flag behind you is somehow not kosher, get used to it more quickly, otherwise the hour green will not be given!

                        everything is kosher, your goyim flags are not correct for you, but I am very helpful. YAHWA NATO STRENGTH OUR BALANCE!
                      2. evil hamster
                        evil hamster 16 November 2013 19: 23 New
                        0
                        That is, there is already a green kagta?
                      3. Gooch v. 2
                        Gooch v. 2 17 November 2013 09: 48 New
                        +1
                        I am writing from the US Embassy
                      4. evil hamster
                        evil hamster 17 November 2013 13: 47 New
                        +2
                        From this, it’s very good, my friend, I’ll be reassured, it’s impossible to live categorically in such a stane with such conscientious and dearly intuitives as you. It’s important to think about 50 years behind in aviation, they don’t make kosher mobilogs, and they would be patriotic .. but you already have everything behind, you still succeeded, you don’t forget to write to us about the pot and how PEOPLE live there, so we’ll win , shake hands, the 6th fleet will help us.
  • ZU-23
    ZU-23 16 November 2013 15: 06 New
    0
    Well, it’s just that they don’t let it out anymore, they don’t do it for armament anymore, it’s taken out of production, so it’s ban right away))).
    1. Gooch v. 2
      Gooch v. 2 16 November 2013 15: 30 New
      +3
      Quote: ZU-23
      Well, it’s just that they don’t let it out anymore, they don’t do it for armament anymore, it’s taken out of production, so it’s ban right away))).

      discontinued and from weapons, these are slightly different things, then that.
  • Gooch v. 2
    Gooch v. 2 16 November 2013 13: 44 New
    10
    Quote: ZU-23
    If we compare the F-35 and T-50, then the Americans lose to the net in terms of flight performance of our T-50.

    Are these airplanes of two different weight categories, the F-35 single-engine carrier-based fighter-bomber fighter? He and there is no need to compete with PAK-FA; he will fly kakbe with aircraft carriers. For those who are in the tank, video, pay attention to the conveyor belt for the assembly of aircraft, on it alone there are more planes than the assembled PAK-FA.kov in the ranks. )
  • Bagatur
    Bagatur 16 November 2013 11: 08 New
    0
    Yankee eats a joke. The boy asks his father: When it’s not going right, what should I do? Father: We give money until it becomes! And if honey agaric does not go? Give more money! But if that does not help? We give money until it becomes! That's all!
    As the Yankees say, What they didn’t talk about is a speech about money! They’ll bring the F-35 ax to mind anyway! But I have a question: Why is Russia not thinking about an easy version of PAK FA!
    1. igor36
      igor36 16 November 2013 12: 17 New
      +1
      Quote: bagatura
      Why is Russia not thinking about the easy version of PAK FA!

      They think for sure that only the T-50 technology will work out. Even America launched the F-22 first and then the F-35, to carry out 2 projects in parallel, even for them, is expensive.
    2. not good
      not good 16 November 2013 13: 24 New
      +1
      Because MIG Poghosyan didn’t rest on FIG, why divide money from a cracker.
  • Nayhas
    Nayhas 16 November 2013 09: 13 New
    12
    according to our feelings, it already surpasses the American F-35 fighter, although it is also now in the final stages of development

    Well, yes, is it weak to confirm your feelings with digital figures? Or is it scary that a certain secret will be revealed after learning which the Russians will be feel deceived yourself? To say that the F-35 is ALSO in the "stage of fine-tuning" is like a statement by a marathoner who hasn’t run even a tenth of the distance, but declares that the leader of the marathon has a hundred meters left to the finish line, that he is “still running” .. ...
  • MilaPhone
    MilaPhone 16 November 2013 09: 23 New
    +3
    He would have compared the Su-27 and the F-16.
  • erofich
    erofich 16 November 2013 09: 32 New
    +5
    "Feels like" - he would have asked his wife better about the feelings, and Serdyukov - to prison.
  • kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 16 November 2013 09: 40 New
    +1
    After the feint with Serdyukov, there was no desire to comment on anything, the disgusting thing, in my opinion, the "comrades-in-arms" once again substitute "Guarantor"! Or ...
  • Bradley
    Bradley 16 November 2013 10: 06 New
    +3
    Rogozin has a great sense of humor.)
    1. Apollo
      16 November 2013 10: 31 New
      10
      Rogozin oversees the military-industrial complex of Russia, the question is whether he has anything to do here. In the military-industrial complex, as I understand it, all issues have been resolved and he switched to solving issues that are beyond his competence.

      Rogozin wants to rename the Far East
      The current name of the Far East does not suit at all, Dmitry Rogozin, Deputy Prime Minister of the Russian Federation, is sure. He expressed this opinion during the Technoprom-2013 forum in Novosibirsk. The deputy prime minister has already proposed a new name for the region - the Pacific region, RIA Novosti reports.
      http://www.utro.ru/articles/2013/11/15/1156912.shtml
      I look at the photo and it feels so that my face will crack soon.
      1. Panikovsky
        Panikovsky 16 November 2013 11: 12 New
        +9
        and with the Far East, uv. Apollo, you are wrong. because if you rename it to the near Moscow region, you can get there by train in twenty minutes.
        1. Nayhas
          Nayhas 17 November 2013 07: 10 New
          +2
          Quote: Panikovsky
          because if you rename it to the near Moscow region, you can get there by train in twenty minutes.

          Bravo! Despite the difficult morning state, he smiled very much!
      2. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 16 November 2013 12: 22 New
        +7
        Quote: Apollon
        In the military-industrial complex, as I understand it, all issues have been resolved and he switched to solving issues that are beyond his competence.

        Arguments like “we will have better” are allowed to the lyricists (“there will be a garden city in four years”), and not to the deputy prime minister responsible for the production of arms and military equipment and the organization of the military industrial complex. And today we have a serial flying Raptor, flying F-35, which will bring the Yankees to mind. And the fifth PAK FA building, which is undergoing a test phase. We are only dreaming of adopting weapons, they are silent about production. It seems to me that we will be re-equipping our Air Force with this wonderful machine per hour on a teaspoon. That’s where the “mess”, to which Dmitry Olegovich needs to direct his administrative and organizational abilities, and not comment on the course of the PAK FA tests.
        I would be completely satisfied with his statement: “At least four production sites are ready to produce our PAK FA at 60 units per year, which will already receive fifth-generation engines of the second stage by the end of 2013. Our designers and test engineers - do not delay the completion of work. ”This would be a completely different conversation.
        1. Nayhas
          Nayhas 17 November 2013 07: 13 New
          +1
          Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
          I would be completely satisfied with his statement: “At least four production sites are now ready to produce 60 units per year in our PAK FA, which by the end of 2013 will already receive fifth-generation engines of the second stage.

          A friend of mine works for NAPOiCH, does Su-34, with the arrival of Muscovites they began to cut salaries, there are persistent rumors among the staff that they want to transfer Su-34 production to KnA, and sell the factory’s territory for construction ...
      3. alone
        alone 16 November 2013 12: 57 New
        +4
        Quote: Apollon
        Rogozin wants to rename the Far East


        I suggest the name New Vasyuki laughing

        his face is like butter pancakes; he is all fat.
      4. studentmati
        studentmati 16 November 2013 23: 33 New
        +1
        Quote: Apollon
        Rogozin wants to rename the Far East. The current name does not suit the Far East at all, Dmitry Rogozin, Deputy Prime Minister of the Russian Federation, is sure. The Deputy Prime Minister has already proposed a new name for the region - the Pacific Region, RIA Novosti reports.


        Is this the scope? belay It seems that Serdyukov's "successes" will soon seem like flowers, juicy berry ripens!
  • Panikovsky
    Panikovsky 16 November 2013 10: 46 New
    15
    every day I am convinced that Dmitry Olegovich is a nominal zvizdobol.
  • dobrik10
    dobrik10 16 November 2013 10: 50 New
    +2
    Where to subscribe?
  • vadson
    vadson 16 November 2013 10: 51 New
    +2
    how could Rogozin do nefig and he decided to patrol the Yankees. sovereign muzhzhzhzh
  • karal
    karal 16 November 2013 11: 07 New
    +1
    Rogozin: F-35 inferior to the Russian PAK FA

    If this is true, then for our military aircraft designers we can only rejoice! Good luck and feats to our pilots on this plane!
  • negeroi
    negeroi 16 November 2013 11: 29 New
    +1
    Interestingly, most are outraged by the actions of the authorities, shouting, angry, indignant. I have an eerie feeling. And before that, everyone was asleep and just woke up? Or did the events in the country just begin? Or did the moss turn on again? he turned on, as far as I remember, one and the same public chatter about power. That under Brezhnev, they said the same thing and grinned their teeth, and in the days that followed there were no differences in themes. In general, everything is familiar. But at times I imagine-Kucha people and suddenly it dawns on them that the house in which they live for 20 years is green, and they are allergic to green. A madhouse. However, I'm crazy, it's my house.
  • evil hamster
    evil hamster 16 November 2013 11: 39 New
    +5
    As expected, Rogozin loves to chat very much, the language without bones is already there. Still, brains were attached to this language, but this seems to be a problem.
  • Asan Ata
    Asan Ata 16 November 2013 11: 45 New
    +1
    How to compare unit production with serial? Will they be able to reproduce the same parameters in a series?
  • negeroi
    negeroi 16 November 2013 11: 51 New
    +3
    Yes, it doesn’t matter whether serial or single, all one chatter for housewives. It’s clear that the war will show who is cooler. And housewives need to know now, the armor is strong and all that.
  • krasavchik
    krasavchik 16 November 2013 12: 07 New
    +3
    the dukhtor of philosophy knows what he says)
  • Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 16 November 2013 12: 13 New
    +1
    СThe most important thing is that Russia maintains parity in the development of advanced aviation thought. Delivery terms, test program, serial production are determined by the capabilities of our aviation industry and the ability of our state to finance the project. And the Russian fleet needs to be raised, and military space maintained, and the nuclear triad developed.
  • cherkas.oe
    cherkas.oe 16 November 2013 12: 14 New
    +5
    This cormorant is Rogozin; of course inferior, because cars of a completely different class, just blurt out that without hitting, and we are discussing this crap deletant, pah .... damn it.
  • Do not care
    Do not care 16 November 2013 12: 24 New
    +5
    The famous hockey player Wayne Gretzky said that “you have to rush to where the puck is flying, and not to where it has just been” ”
    It seems that Rogozin was not even introduced to the F35go concept.
  • Altona
    Altona 16 November 2013 13: 28 New
    +2
    Some strange comparisons ..."I feel better already"... Airplanes are made, as well as any equipment, based on the tasks assigned to them, all this is prescribed in the technical design assignment (TK) ... And why Dmitry Olegovich compares the T-50 with the F-35, and not with the F -22? It is incomprehensible ... While D.O. Rogozin is like a parody of D.F.Ustinov ... It’s kind of like to call both Dmitriy, but the effect is different ...
  • Pimply
    Pimply 16 November 2013 13: 28 New
    +7
    What an endless talker he is all the same.
  • WIN969
    WIN969 16 November 2013 13: 35 New
    0
    It is clear that it is inferior, according to our developments, the Yankees were created at a dead end, and the idea is already outdated.
  • Neighbor
    Neighbor 16 November 2013 13: 36 New
    +2
    The MIG-25 was already in service and no one really knew anything about it until Belenko stole Japan. And here Poghosyan is still in the nest, and so on, and cackle all over the world.
  • Harmony
    Harmony 16 November 2013 15: 08 New
    0
    Five pieces of T-50, do not solve anything. They urgently need several times more. It would be better if they were made at all production capacities, instead of obsolete sou and moons.
  • Yarosvet
    Yarosvet 16 November 2013 15: 43 New
    +2
    << He is already now IN OUR FEELINGS ... >>

    Nude ...

    1. atalef
      atalef 16 November 2013 15: 47 New
      +3
      Quote: Yarosvet
      Nude ...

      what if
      1. Yarosvet
        Yarosvet 16 November 2013 19: 29 New
        +4
        Quote: atalef
        what if
  • Yves762
    Yves762 16 November 2013 21: 11 New
    +2
    IMHO, it is not entirely correct to compare F-35 and PAK FA (T-50). A different class of car ....
  • e3tozy
    e3tozy 16 November 2013 21: 21 New
    +3
    Quote: Nayhas
    according to our feelings, it already surpasses the American F-35 fighter, although it is also now in the final stages of development

    YES, sometimes it's better to chew than talk. Lazhanulsya.