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French tanks in the steppes of Ukraine

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From 7 May to 26 June 2002 of the Year in Ukraine, the 2 training exercise of the French mechanized brigade took place at the Wide Lan (Mykolaiv region) training ground. The exercise took place in two stages: from 7 to 26 in May and from 27 in May to 26 in June.


The first to arrive were ferries with wheeled vehicles: cars and wheeled armored personnel carriers (VAB). What immediately caught my eye? This is the size of the BTR: they are very large in height. On all technology engines "Renault", on the VAB, in addition, automatic 4-x speed transmission with torque converter. And here it turned out that at low revolutions the armored personnel carrier is very badly moving, jerking like a cadet driver from a DOSAAF driving school. And all the armored personnel carriers, without exception, suffer from this disease. Further: the whole wheeled vehicle is without a tire pressure control system, which, naturally, does not improve the vehicle’s permeability or their durability in combat conditions.

May 10 arrived Tanks, Self-propelled guns, infantry fighting vehicles and other tracked vehicles: ARVs and engineering vehicles. Being on duty in the park, I could not get into the French field camp, but from May 12 all the French military equipment with various, even the most minor malfunctions, began to arrive in our park (also rented by the French) for repairs and maintenance.

I really liked the MTO based on the Reno-TPM-10000. This is a small crane, winch, equipment for the evacuation of wheeled and light tracked vehicles. Welding units, compressors, etc. transported on small uniaxial trailers by lighter trucks Renault-TRM-2000, analogue of our GAZ-66. almost all maintenance operations are mechanized. In addition, drivers, as well as tankers, practically do not take part in the repair of their vehicles. Eh, our army would have their maintenance ...

Then tanks, self-propelled guns, infantry fighting vehicles began to arrive in the park. And again, struck dimensions: do not miss. But the French say that “Leopard-2А5” is even higher, wider and longer, and on “Abrams” they said that it is like a bad house.

Purely aesthetically, by design, Leclerc makes a very pleasant impression. You could even say that he is beautiful. But dimensions: Our T-64BVs standing nearby in this regard have won a lot, and the weight in 55 tons is too much. The gun, even externally, looks weaker than ours, there is no ejector.

From personal contact with the French tank crews and mechanics, we also managed to learn many interesting things. For example, the tactic of using “Leclerc” resembles the tactic of using combat helicopters: jump out from behind the shelter, carry out a fire attack, and quickly hide quickly. In order for both the engine in 1500 horsepower, and the hydromechanical 5-speed transmission: But after a close acquaintance with the "Leclerc" it turned out that even though the engine is powerful, but in place the tank turns around with great attempts; the kinematics of the transmission is such that it is impossible to stop one of the caterpillars during a turn, although the caterpillars can be rotated in different directions on the spot (as in MTLB). Now about the tracks. The tracks are cast from aluminum alloy, respectively, the durability of the track tape leaves much to be desired. The weak point is the disc brakes of tanks: carbon lining burns, and very quickly. And in order to replace it, it is necessary to dismantle the engine along with the transmission, although it takes about an hour and a half to dismantle.

Rubber tires on support rollers (also aluminum) are very thin and often fail (see photo). Yes, and the suspension of the tanks (both “Leclerc” and AMX-30 / 32) is very soft: under the weight of a person who jumped up on the armor of a person, the tank weighing 55 tons sags. Because of this, in the corners, the drive wheel disengages from the tracks and starts to spoil them.

Now about the engine. Starting the engine is electric (and only), but the battery capacity is small (125VA), so you need to start the turbogenerator (like on Shilka or Tunguska), and only then start the diesel engine. When the diesel engine is running, the turbine does not stop, and is the main source of power for the tank. Accordingly, it is very noisy, and fuel consumption is also considerable. Fuel - only aviation kerosene. Fuel capacity - 350 liters and 2 barrels of 200 liters.

Armor, though thick, but without rational angles, is vertical. The "zalizannost" of the tower is achieved by removable, plastic boxes. The side screens are steel, 10-12 mm thick. Thickening of screens in the front part is another layer of screens, on top of the main one. But there is no dynamic protection. And the side armor in the MTO area is very thin.

Against this background, our T-64 looks very cool, and the French admit it.

The dimensions and weight of the power plant and transmission are impressive: almost 3 times the size of the engine and gearbox of the T-64 tank, weight - 6200kg. The engine is located longitudinally, to the left (along the way) from the engine - a turbogenerator, above the gearbox - two centrifugal fans and radiators. Exhaust gases from the turbine and from the engine are directed upwards, and the air from the fan is directed downwards. Even the French themselves admit that this creates a considerable unmasking sign in the form of a column of smoke over a tank and a cloud of dust behind the car.

Before installing the engine on the tank, it is connected to the tank with the help of repair cables and hoses, winding up, and checking the operation of all engine systems in different modes on the on-board computer. If something is wrong, eliminate on the spot, and only after that the engine and transmission are installed on the tank.

Tank crew jobs are very comfortable. The commander has a computer, one display of which is the commander, and the second is the gunner. Information on them is displayed the same and at the same time. The fence of the gun is made in the form of a fabric mesh. There is air conditioning and heater. The commander and the gunner occupy and leave their seats without problems, and the driver is only when the tower is rotated strictly straight, but it can also climb through the tower.

To evacuate such a heavy tank, a special tractor was created on the basis of the Leclerc: the same linear tank, but without a gun and automatic loader. Instead, the tower is located various equipment for repair. The winch on the tractor is missing. The embrasure of the gun is closed with plexiglass. This tractor can also be used to train the driver.

The driver has a steering wheel, inside which there are various buttons: lights, dimensions, turns, signal, etc .; two pedals: "gas" and "brake"; instrument panel, gearshift and reverse mode levers. The seat rises and falls with these levers using a hydraulic jack.

The general impression that was expressed by our tankers is as follows: the tank is comfortable, comfortable for the crew, but “weakly”, unreliable.

French tanks in the steppes of Ukraine

BMP AMX-10.


BMP AMX-10.


BTR "Cobra".


Mechanized infantry platoon on BTR.


SAU AV-F1.


The main battle tank "Leclerc".


The speed of the tank in the photo 49 km / h.


162 soldier height see


View of the repaired tanks. It is clearly visible as the tower closes the driver's hatch. In the foreground is a towing tank: there is a spare parts and repair station in the niche of the tower. devices, aft - rigid coupling.


French tanks in our park. The unsystematic nature of their arrangement attracts attention.


Hanging track roller with a damaged rubber tire with a hydraulic jack.


Chassis "Leclerc" "injured" by the Ukrainian black soil !.


Evacuation of a faulty tank.


Tank wrecker. In the photo the author of the article, his height 176, see.


Removing the power unit from the tank "Leclerc".


The power unit on a special trailer stand for maintenance, repair, and performance checks outside the car in all modes, connected to the tank with cables and hoses.


BREM AMX-30D.


An EBG engineering vehicle based on the AMX-30 tank.


Means of mechanization.


Means of mechanization.


Means of mechanization.


Renault TRM-10000 technical assistance vehicle.


Off-road vehicle with a Renault TRM-2000 compressor installation providing repair of an EBG engineering vehicle based on the AMX-30 tank.
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Vladimir Petrusenko
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  1. makarov
    makarov 15 November 2013 08: 27
    0
    Of course, thanks to the author for the work. But the question arose: - And where is the news ???
    The events of 2002 are described.
    1. Kars
      Kars 15 November 2013 10: 10
      12
      Quote: makarov
      Where's the news ???

      Is this a news column?

      ›Armament» Armored vehicles
      French tanks in the steppes of Ukraine
      Today, 07: 40 Print
      1. tronin.maxim
        tronin.maxim 15 November 2013 11: 06
        16
        If France will participate in these tanks in the tank biathlon, it is guaranteed to lose! The equipment, even in real dirt, has not yet ridden, but is already breaking. On such a tank, only on the highway to drive overseas production.
        1. Kars
          Kars 15 November 2013 11: 34
          +3
          Quote: tronin.maxim
          on these tanks in the tank biathlon she is guaranteed to lose!

          Put the money?
          1. cth; fyn
            cth; fyn 15 November 2013 14: 09
            +4
            By the way, the French have only 5 leclercs on the biotlon of the French ...
          2. Patton5
            Patton5 15 November 2013 14: 09
            +1
            Great photo!!! This is where it was possible to see what kind of tender?
            1. Kars
              Kars 15 November 2013 15: 37
              +3
              Quote: Patton5
              what kind of tender?


              Greek
          3. StolzSS
            StolzSS 15 November 2013 18: 11
            +2
            Put it easy! fellow
        2. Hudo
          Hudo 15 November 2013 11: 36
          +5
          Quote: tronin.maxim
          The equipment, even in real dirt, has not yet ridden, but is already breaking.


          It seems that the French came to show their means of mechanization (which are impressive), and the ability to repair their tanks. With such tanks, the repair units do not have to get bored, the aluminum alloy tracks were especially killed - fool they would have made tracks from environmentally friendly glass.
          1. neri73-r
            neri73-r 15 November 2013 12: 42
            16
            I agree!
            In addition, drivers, like tankers, practically do not participate in the repair of their equipment. Oh, our army would have their maintenance ...
            but it’s rather a minus than a plus, if at the training ground, then yes - it’s comfortable, but if you really fight, then where you find these brigades will have to be repaired .... if they want to live !!!! But the French will not get used to it, they will surrender, as always, and will live in peace until we release them (also, however, as always)!
            1. ka5280
              ka5280 15 November 2013 15: 32
              +1
              In NATO armies, this is the standard, repairmen separately, tankers on their own. And the crew is not involved in repairs.
        3. ka5280
          ka5280 15 November 2013 15: 29
          0
          In general, it was also designed for use in a Western European theater!
          1. Hudo
            Hudo 15 November 2013 17: 46
            +3
            Quote: ka5280
            In general, it was also designed for use in a Western European theater!


            At the Western Euro-theater? They didn’t have time to arrive, and right away for repairs, the chassis went out of order, barely moving out of the Champs Elysees, then let's change the train without a real train. Theater de la Ville, Theater of the Champs-Elysees or Theater of Italian Comedy (Paris) Palais Royal Theater?
            I clearly realized - their place is at the gates of a Parisian gay club in the military style, where the general people in camouflage thong frolic, they have the right place - their theater there, and they are entourage.
        4. skrgar
          skrgar 15 November 2013 19: 26
          0
          I think now they will begin to eliminate the shortcomings .. - they will sprinkle it with "Chanel No. 5", maybe the enemies will regret them then, they will not shoot at them ..
          1. Bad_gr
            Bad_gr 17 November 2013 13: 20
            +1
            Leclerc crew workplaces:




            1. Hudo
              Hudo 17 November 2013 13: 43
              0
              Quote: Bad_gr
              Leclerc crew workplaces:


              Clean, like in a laboratory. Everything is white. Are they in shoe covers there?
        5. mvg
          mvg 28 November 2013 19: 55
          0
          and read the results of NATO tank biathlon on the wiki. Leclerc is a good tank, it’s just a little expensive, more than 8 million for today's money. At the time of creation, the SLA is the best in the world.
  2. Eugeniy_369
    Eugeniy_369 15 November 2013 08: 44
    10
    Thanks for the article +. It is interesting to know and see how "they" have their daily service. Maybe I'm wrong, but if you draw conclusions only from this article, "Leclerc" is not very No. , well, how did the "iron kaput" suffer from black soil? laughing .
  3. Rus86
    Rus86 15 November 2013 09: 22
    +9
    thanks to the author. very informative.
  4. Toporkoff
    Toporkoff 15 November 2013 09: 28
    +5
    How can it be so ... on the forehead without preparation ... it's my favorite tank ...
    1. smile
      smile 15 November 2013 18: 25
      +1
      Toporkoff

      Was there? :)))
  5. kafa
    kafa 15 November 2013 10: 15
    +3
    without snot essentially good
  6. Chicot 1
    Chicot 1 15 November 2013 10: 16
    +5
    But thanks for the report! .. It is always interesting to look at how it is with them in everyday life and a completely "casual" situation ...
  7. Sergey Medvedev
    Sergey Medvedev 15 November 2013 10: 53
    10
    So in comparison, and you understand that our tanks are better.
  8. UVB
    UVB 15 November 2013 11: 06
    +8
    It seemed that Leclerc was created not for battle, but for out-of-town walks with comfort for the crew.
    1. PSih2097
      PSih2097 15 November 2013 11: 36
      +6
      Quote: UVB
      It seemed that Leclerc was not created for battle

      rather, for defense, in order to delay the Soviet tank attack as long as possible until the Yankees approach ...
      1. Corsair
        Corsair 15 November 2013 14: 28
        +2
        Quote: PSih2097
        rather, for defense, in order to delay the Soviet tank attack as long as possible until the Yankees approach ...

        The Maginot Line was generally considered "impregnable" ...
  9. svp67
    svp67 15 November 2013 11: 11
    +4
    Of course it’s interesting, but a little more precisely
    Here

    162 soldier height see

    So I want to compare with this photo

    And say type, girl’s palm size 15 cm ... winked
    In general, it is very alarming that foreign tanks appeared on the territory of Ukraine ...
    1. GastaClaus69
      GastaClaus69 15 November 2013 12: 11
      +3
      Quote: svp67
      In general, it is very alarming that foreign tanks appeared on the territory of Ukraine ...

      And the appearance of the Chinese in Russia does not bother you?
      1. Akim
        Akim 15 November 2013 12: 18
        +2
        Quote: svp67
        In general, it is very alarming that foreign tanks appeared on the territory of Ukraine ...

        It seems the Urals are not Estonia. Or there are slow guys too. More than 10 years have passed since the event. (He said it’s scary to himself how time flies).
      2. svp67
        svp67 17 November 2013 10: 35
        0
        Quote: GastaClaus69
        And the appearance of the Chinese in Russia does not bother you?

        In general, we are with them in the same defensive structure - the CSTO is called, but Ukraine, what is already in NATO?
        1. Kars
          Kars 17 November 2013 10: 47
          +3
          Quote: svp67
          and Ukraine, what is already in NATO?


          Partnership for Peace
          By the way, and what is the Russian Federation with NATO when conducting joint exercises with NATO?
          1. svp67
            svp67 17 November 2013 12: 20
            +1
            Quote: Kars
            By the way, and what is the Russian Federation with NATO when conducting joint exercises with NATO?

            But we also do not declare our "non-aligned" nature, like Ukraine. So, the accusations are not correct. If the country is "neutral", then why does it allow foreign tanks to enter its territory?
            Immediately I will answer the attack about Sevastopol and Crimea - our troops did not come there, they have remained there since the collapse of the USSR.
            1. Kars
              Kars 17 November 2013 13: 44
              +1
              Quote: svp67
              But we also do not declare our "non-aligned" nature, like Ukraine. So, the accusations are not correct.

              They are even more terrible. Joint exercises with a likely adversary. The USSR did not allow such a thing.

              As for non-alignedness, this does not mean isolation. How can Ukraine conduct exercises with NATO, with Russia, Belarus.
              Quote: svp67
              If the country is "neutral", then why does it allow foreign tanks to enter its territory?
              Yes, we even have a foreign military base.
              At the same time, neutral countries Austria, Finland, Switzerland, Sweden allow themselves


              Cold Response military exercises, which will bring together 16 troops from 15 countries, will begin in northern Norway on March 12 and will be the largest in the country over the past 10 years, according to Norwegian media.

              Over the past ten years, we have not conducted such large-scale exercises with such a large number of participants. Taking into account what is happening in Libya and Afghanistan, we see how important it is to strengthen military cooperation between different countries, - said in an interview with the NRC television company, the representative of the Norwegian armed forces information service, Lt. Col. Jon Espen Lien.

              The maneuvers to be held in the northern part of Norway will be attended by representatives of all military branches, including special units. Most of the troops will come from Canada, France, the Netherlands, Great Britain, Sweden and the USA.

              So sorry but your bias and double standards are very striking in the eye.
              Quote: svp67
              I’ll immediately answer the attack about Sevastopol and Crimea - our troops didn’t come there, they stayed there

              So this vet is even worse. The French came out, and by the way France has no territorial claims to Ukraine, but China has to the Russian Federation)))
              Quote: svp67
              In general, it is very alarming that foreign tanks appeared on the territory of Ukraine ...

              Therefore, here you made fun of it))) even if you forget that it was ten years ago)) But you had to throw something like that, right?
              1. svp67
                svp67 17 November 2013 15: 49
                0
                Quote: Kars
                Therefore, here you made fun of it))) even if you forget that it was ten years ago)) But you had to throw something like that, right?
                I see you have really "funny" there. But we are somehow not very good, and let THIS news be HERE for 10 years, but THIS is FRESH:
                The Marine Corps Company of the Feodosia Separate Battalion will take part in the active phase of the NATO Response Force Command and Staff Exercise Steadfast Jazz-2013, which will be held from October 28 to November 9 on the territory of the Dravsko-Pomorskiy training center of the Polish ground forces. This was reported by the press service of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine.
                and it is not unique. What are some strange ideas you have about "VNBLOCOVOST", as well as about the fulfillment of contractual obligations, especially in terms of payment ...

                In addition to the Sea Breeze, other NATO exercises are successfully held in Ukraine, increasing their strength annually. In the summer of 2012, the so-called International Center for Peacekeeping and Security - on the Yavoriv training ground of the Lviv region, held 10-day military exercises "Rapid Trident", in which military personnel from 16 countries took part. The representative of the US Army command in Europe, Brigadier General Michael Beals, then proudly announced that the United States allocated $ 2012 million for the Rapid Trident 4,5 exercises. And the commander of the Ground Forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, Colonel General Gennady Vorobyov reported with equal pride: “Every year we did something to improve the material base of the training ground. But over the past year, we probably took as many as 10 steps forward ... ”He ignored the fact that the training ground is actually turning into a NATO base. The general of independent Ukraine reported on improving management and improving the infrastructure of the training ground: “We subordinated the training ground of the Army Academy. Much has been done to arrange housing, and to prepare the material base, and to prepare the fields ... "

                This year, the volume of military cooperation under NATO programs has been further increased. This applies to the length of time and the number of troops participating in the three large-scale NATO exercises.

                It is noteworthy that for the bill "On approval of the Decree of the President of Ukraine on the admission of units of the Armed forces of other states to the territory of Ukraine in 2013 to participate in multinational military exercises" 342 deputies voted. This is a constitutional majority. In accordance with the adopted law, NATO exercises will be held in Ukraine: Sea Breeze 2013 (up to 1500 military personnel) - 20 days in June - July; “Rapid Trident - 2013” ​​(up to 1500 military personnel) - 20 days in July - September; “Maple Arch - 2013” ​​(up to 400 military personnel) - 20 days in August - September.
                1. Kars
                  Kars 17 November 2013 16: 00
                  +1
                  Quote: svp67
                  I see you have really "funny" there. But we are somehow not very good, and let THIS news be HERE for 10 years, but THIS is FRESH:

                  Quote: svp67
                  and it is not unique. What are your strange ideas about "out-of-blockness

                  And how do you see blockiness outside? By the way, why is there no quote about the teachings from the Russian Federation?
                  Quote: svp67
                  I see you have really "funny" there.

                  And what is wrong with the teachings?
                  Quote: svp67
                  The fact that the training ground is actually turning into a NATO base, he kept silent.
                  And how many NATO troops are there now?
                  1. svp67
                    svp67 17 November 2013 16: 04
                    0
                    Quote: Kars
                    And what is wrong with the teachings?

                    Yes, because to study - AGAINST someone ... and here questions arise ...
                    1. Kars
                      Kars 17 November 2013 16: 08
                      +1
                      Quote: svp67
                      Yes, because to study - AGAINST someone ... and here questions arise ...

                      And against whom are the exercises being conducted with the Russian Federation

                      and the question of your view of non-alignedness remains valid.
    2. smersh70
      smersh70 15 November 2013 13: 19
      +2
      Quote: svp67
      In general, it is very alarming that foreign tanks appeared on the territory of Ukraine ...

      French women are coming ... save ... wassat it would be better if they dragged a couple of models from the catwalk or a box of perfumes ... they better get it laughing ... and the Ukrainian mud showed where the crayfish hibernate ... it’s not for them the semi-deserts of Africa without rains .. and the Aboriginal people to drive the legion ...
    3. Shur
      Shur 16 November 2013 15: 46
      0
      They are not like strangers now. Soon they will come for good. By the way, it is useful for our general people in the manual to see how it is in Europe in the post-Soviet Slavic lands.
  10. Patton5
    Patton5 15 November 2013 11: 14
    +9
    Plastic containers on the tower laughing in a word, the French .... Tank
    "SUV"
    1. Bad_gr
      Bad_gr 15 November 2013 18: 11
      +4
      Quote: Patton5
      Plastic containers on the laughing tower

      1. Hudo
        Hudo 15 November 2013 18: 37
        +2
        Quote: Bad_gr
        Bad_gr RU ​​Today, 18:11 ↑

        Quote: Patton5
        Plastic containers on the tower


        And laughter and sin. In other niches and containers, too ... um ... everything you need for a European warrior? Well, there is lipstick, eye shadow, powder, sanitary napkins, petroleum jelly, different imitators ...
        Let them put a skein of fishing line in the first-aid kit - so that the French geyroi tanker wounded in * opera has something to darn with a hollow.

        P.S. Well, if in the course of the battle between the characters from the crew serious damage is suffered - the corps of the tank commander is damaged or the stockings of the gunner give the arrow — then repairmen will help out. Ugh gydot. wassat
  11. vvp2412
    vvp2412 15 November 2013 11: 30
    +1
    No wonder they are friends with NATO! :) You look so all their secrets and find out! :)

    It is amazing! MBT with such a weak chassis! From the soldier sags! This is not an American sedan! :) This is a tank! But, see, the French do not understand this, because plainly on tanks did not fight in the Second World War.
  12. tchoni
    tchoni 15 November 2013 11: 32
    +1
    but not the most comfortable
  13. tchoni
    tchoni 15 November 2013 11: 32
    0
    but not the most comfortable
  14. GastaClaus69
    GastaClaus69 15 November 2013 11: 47
    +4
    Somewhere infa ran that the French and half a hundred Leclerc in fighting condition will not be typed.
    By the way, the photo is not not Cobra but Panhar VBL.
  15. zennon
    zennon 15 November 2013 12: 01
    +2
    Vicki reports that this is one of the most expensive tanks in the world - 8 mattress lemons per instance. Very poorly performed in the sand.
  16. bistrov.
    bistrov. 15 November 2013 12: 18
    +6
    Yes, all kinds of repair tools are enough. But our repairmen can replace the engine with a log and such a mother.
    1. Eugeniy_369
      Eugeniy_369 15 November 2013 14: 38
      +3
      Quote: bistrov.
      Yes, all kinds of repair tools are enough. But our repairmen can replace the engine with a log and such a mother.

      What do you want? National trait laughing .
      Without "such and such" mother, we probably do nothing fellow .
    2. sapran
      sapran 15 November 2013 18: 29
      +1
      can you unsubscribe the replacement procedure? Does the T-34-85 offer something from a modern repertoire of the T-72 type or is there a T64 BV (will it even be easier here)?
  17. _lawyer_
    _lawyer_ 15 November 2013 14: 07
    +3
    "... the tactics of using the" Leclerc "resembles the tactics of using combat helicopters: jump out from behind cover, conduct a fire raid, and quickly and quickly hide ..."
    I immediately remembered this picture))
  18. cth; fyn
    cth; fyn 15 November 2013 14: 13
    +8
    Aluminum in tracks and discs? Hmm, even used armor from plywood muddied ...
    The author says that they would say such machines to us, but they are exactly what we have. He served as an engineer of such equipment and saw IMR and BAT and PTS Kraz with a crane crane and a paw manipulator, PZM, various battery rooms and workshops based on ZiL 131, electric workshops based on GAZ-66, truck cranes and excavators, bridge layers, URki, IRM, Mine spreaders, tank tractors of the sea equipment, are very different and interesting.
    1. Bad_gr
      Bad_gr 15 November 2013 18: 16
      0
      Quote: cth; fyn
      The author says that they would say such machines to us, but they are exactly what we have ....
      Perhaps no longer. When Serzhukov liquidated, and repair of tanks on field teams from the factory.
      If I am mistaken, correct.
      1. cth; fyn
        cth; fyn 16 November 2013 14: 53
        +3
        He served in 2010 at the height of Serdyukovschina, there was a lot of technology, the whole part moved on the move, so I say this: I'm ready for work and defense.
        Moreover, now the engineer began to rearm, and then there are a lot of machines based on the T-55.

        For example, the brand new IMR-3, a terrible beast is terrible as fear, but at the same time it has its own charisma and, in principle, there will be people like me who will claim that this pile of scrap metal is beautiful.
        And PTS-4 MMMM beauty! suspension from the T-80! MMMM !!!
        There is still so much any new technology, it’s just the first thing I remembered, and taking the same Urals and putting a kung with the necessary equipment on it is not a problem, and no one will talk about it because not interested.
        1. svp67
          svp67 17 November 2013 12: 49
          +1
          Quote: cth; fyn
          suspension from the T-80! MMMM !!!

          Alas from the T72 ....
          Compare ...
          This is T72

          And this is the T80
          1. cth; fyn
            cth; fyn 18 November 2013 12: 38
            0
            And PTS-4 MMMM beauty! suspension from the T-80! MMMM !!!
            1. Bad_gr
              Bad_gr 18 November 2013 18: 00
              0
              Quote: cth; fyn
              And PTS-4 MMMM beauty! suspension from the T-80! MMMM !!!


              In addition to the MTS-4 with elements of the undercarriage of the T-80 tank, there are:

              • Armored repair and recovery vehicle BREM-80U
              • MTU-80 bridge spreader
              • 203-mm self-propelled artillery mount 2S7 "Peony" (ob.216) / 2S7M "Malka"
              • 152 mm self-propelled artillery mount 2S19 "Msta-S"
              • High-speed trench machine BTM-4M
              • Combat vehicles of the S-300V anti-aircraft missile system
              • Self-propelled tracked vehicle SM-100
              • Highly mobile caterpillar crane SGK-80R
              • Highly protected vehicle "Ladoga"
              • Complex of engineering support machines “Komplekt-P”
    2. Alexander D.
      Alexander D. 15 November 2013 23: 22
      +4
      The author says that the tank weighs 55 tons ... imagine how much the mass would increase when installing normal rollers and tracks !!! The designers tried to reduce the weight ... probably))
      1. cth; fyn
        cth; fyn 16 November 2013 15: 03
        +1
        But as if reliability has increased! The caterpillar that has flown in battle is fatality.
  19. russmensch
    russmensch 15 November 2013 16: 30
    +2
    Well, now I am once again convinced that all the "best" is over the hill. It's time to move on to their technique ... drinks
    1. Hudo
      Hudo 15 November 2013 17: 37
      +4
      Quote: russmensch
      Well, now I am once again convinced that all the "best" is over the hill. It's time to move on to their technique ...


      For some reason, I immediately thought about the Mistral and joint developments in the field of armored vehicles. sad
  20. sapran
    sapran 15 November 2013 18: 38
    +1
    The author of the fellow indicated only what he saw and how they put it here without unnecessary snot.
    But about something he did not indicate.
    type of suspension on Leclerc and its "stiffness" is an adjustable parameter.
    TIUS unfortunately did not give a touch sad
    The armor is a modular thing (in case something more intelligent is thought up, there will be less problems with modernization, as well as repairs)
    And Yes, at that time he had very advanced SLA + visibility.
    So the tank as for "monsieur-knows a lot about perversions" is not very bad
    1. Hudo
      Hudo 17 November 2013 12: 05
      0
      Quote: sapran
      type of suspension on Leclerc and its "stiffness" is an adjustable parameter.


      This is not from a good life, but that the electronics of which it is oversaturated is less buggy.

      Quote: sapran
      The armor is a modular thing (in case something more intelligent is thought up, there will be less problems with modernization, as well as repairs)


      Where to hang this "modernization"? On luminous psaltery and luminous road wheels? Yes, he will eat away like a cow on ice.

      Quote: sapran
      very advanced SLA + visibility.


      What is the use of it if all this is systematically buggy?
  21. derk365
    derk365 15 November 2013 19: 00
    +2
    I read for a long time that the "Leclercs" had problems with the rubber tires of the rollers (as can be seen here in the photo) during the exercises, Ukrainian tank officers noticed that the speed of this tank was very low (this is with an engine of 1500 hp) and the whole problem was in the rubber of the rollers - it heats up and exfoliates very quickly.
    1. Hudo
      Hudo 15 November 2013 19: 20
      0
      Quote: derk365
      Ukrainian officers tankers noticed that the speed of this tank is very low (this is with an engine of 1500 hp) and the whole problem was in the rubber of the rollers - it heats up and peels off very quickly.


      As in the UAE Armed Forces live with this, there the ambient temperature is not higher than an example.
      1. Patton5
        Patton5 15 November 2013 19: 58
        +1
        so they have autobahns steeper than Germany !!! And they only need equipment for "parades"
        1. Hudo
          Hudo 15 November 2013 20: 20
          +1
          Quote: Patton5
          And they only need equipment for "parades"


          So g ... and in the parade - full g .....
          A military parade of the UAE armed forces in the capital of this country, Abu Dhabi on December 2, 1996, dedicated to the 25th anniversary of the founding of the UAE and the 30th anniversary of the leadership of the emirate of Abu Dhabi by the current President of the country, His Majesty Sheikh Zayed bin Sultan Al Nagyan. At this parade, the lead "Leclerc" stood up, not having reached some 50 meters to the tribune, where the leaders of the country and guests of honor were accommodated. It was this incident at the Abu Dhabi parade that caused the French government to be highly apprehensive about the Leclerc's participation in the military parade in Paris on July 14, 1997.
          http://armor.kiev.ua/Tanks/Modern/BMP3/bmp3_6.php
          In Paris, the jackets and the pets did not bother - on the "Leclercs" participating in the parade, they cut out all the electronics so as not to screw up.

          If a crowd of repairmen with screwdrivers and accessories is gathered around the BATTLE tank and constantly adjusting something, changing, debugging, as if it is not a tank but a space intergalactic cruiser, then this is not a tank, but a stick-gauno.
  22. Jager
    Jager 15 November 2013 20: 05
    -1
    In biathlon ... It would be necessary to put the T-90. By the way, there were many failures at the biathlon - either the gun failed, then the box flew. And the accuracy of the shooting is not particularly.
    It would be really interesting to drive tanks to an unprepared training ground, without any flags and explosive packages. With the shooting of their own kind (without a crew, as targets). In conditions as close to combat as possible.
  23. samoletil18
    samoletil18 15 November 2013 20: 38
    +1
    Why interesting. For this +. It's nice that the first main Soviet tank for men. A modern NATO member ... well, for Europeans, in general.
  24. Jaros81
    Jaros81 15 November 2013 22: 18
    0
    Again Renault tanks, somewhere I already saw and heard it ...
  25. Alexander D.
    Alexander D. 16 November 2013 01: 44
    0
    But the way marketing works with the French is to sell such a soup set as the most modern and most expensive tank ... they need to learn marketing, not marketing, !!!
    1. Kars
      Kars 16 November 2013 10: 44
      +1
      Quote: Alexander D.
      sell such a soup set as the most modern and most expensive tank

      In 1994 it was. Leclerc is the first generation 3+ tank
  26. Mista_dj
    Mista_dj 18 November 2013 20: 25
    +2
    It was interesting.
    Thank you for the article!
  27. Starik63
    Starik63 25 November 2013 00: 02
    +1
    "but" weak "" - my relatives were drawn! But what about the location, design, rate of fire with the automatic loader?
  28. kelevra
    kelevra 18 December 2013 21: 32
    0
    Leclerc is one of the most unreliable and fastidious tanks in the world. He was in fourth place in the tests between the T-90. Abrams, LEopard and Challenger.