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Tales of new Russia: a tale about how the good king of the PSA abolished and oil revenues returned to the state’s budget

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Tales of new Russia: a tale about how the good king of the PSA abolished and oil revenues returned to the state’s budgetFor about five years already, the fairy tale about the abolition of V. Putin in the 2004 year of the PSA, which allowed the return of oil revenues to the Russian budget, has been going around the country for five years. Moreover, lovers of fairy tales, broadcasting these fairy tales to the world and concurrently admirers of the talent of the great storyteller and State Duma deputy Ye. ), then the abolition of the law itself.


However, upon closer examination of the issue, both versions turn out to be untenable: the allegedly canceled agreements, of which only three were concluded, turn out to be valid agreements (as evidenced by the government's periodic reports “On the results of work on the implementation of production sharing agreements”), and the seemingly canceled N 225-ФЗ dated 30.12.1995 "On Production Sharing Agreements" turns out to be the current law.

Meanwhile, Fedorov himself in the first minute of A. Karaulov’s film “Unknown Putin” states categorically:

<< ... We took the natural resources of Russia under national control only in 2004, and before that they were not even in Russian jurisdiction (but not all, of course, under the law on production sharing agreements). And only in 2004 the law was canceled. If we had not done this, then we would not have depended on the price of oil at all - oil revenues would simply not have flowed into the budget ... >>

The guards echoed Fedorov:

<< ... One person, Vladimir Putin, was able to radically change, reverse this situation. What is PSA Law? Why did Russia lose its own oil - money from oil? .. >>

So, what has V. Putin abolished if the agreements and the law are in effect? Perhaps the words of Fedorov and Karaulov should be understood somehow differently? Maybe their words have some secret meaning? Maybe we are talking about some unknown amendments to the "abolished" 225-FZ, which allowed to change the situation?

Try to understand.

In 2004, the State Duma adopted only two amendments to the law “On Production Sharing Agreements” - N 58-FZ from 29.06.2004 и N 199-FZ from 29.12.2004redistributing certain functions of the federal bodies of state power and selecting powers in terms of PSA from the subjects in favor of the federal center. Even with all the desire to attract these amendments to the abolition of something that prevents oil revenues from entering the budget, it does not work. Just as it is impossible to attract them to the return of resources to the Russian jurisdiction.

And there can be no talk of a return to the Russian jurisdiction of natural resources, since five years before these amendments the State Duma adopted N 19-FZ from 07.01.1999in which a separate line was written:

<< It is allowed to provide, on a production sharing basis, no more than 30 percent of the explored and recorded mineral reserves by the state balance sheet. >>

What foreign jurisdiction can we talk about if jointly With foreigners can you develop only 30% subsoil?

What is interesting: when 15.04.1997 19-FZ was introduced to the State Duma, it was listed as << Draft Federal Law N 97700724-2 On Amendments and Additions to the Law "On Production Sharing Agreements" >>. After more than a year of discussion, it was adopted, but the text, speaking about the share for foreigners, looked different:

<< In the interests of national security, including to preserve the independence of providing state and other Russian consumers with mineral raw materials, it is allowed to provide, on a production sharing basis, no more than 20 percent of the country's explored mineral reserves and no more than 10 percent of such reserves for the country's strategic minerals . >>

This option was rejected by the Federation Council (Resolution from 04.09.1998 N 396-SF), as a result, a conciliation commission was created, one of whose members on the part of the Council of the Federation defended the interests of foreign capital was one Sergey S. Sobyanin.
But even despite the fact that the position on strategic types of minerals disappeared from the text of the law, and the share of joint development increased to 30%, the fervor of the so-called "investors" was significantly diminished, with the result that more than two hundred agreements are being prepared for the conclusion .

As we can see, the tale of the abolition of the PSA is really a fairy tale. And, like every fairy tale, it has a real foundation (oil income has really increased), on which fabulous interpretations are built.

So what was done to increase budget revenues?

Nothing at all. It’s just that in the 2004 year, the price of oil, which grew quietly already from 99, went up sharply (and the production volumes, and hence sales, grow from the same 99).
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  1. Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 15 November 2013 08: 19
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    Yarosvet author, yet another exposure of Putin laughing Yarosvet, everything would be like with Sakhalin, but you should not write about it. Although to whom I say this
    1. baltika-18
      baltika-18 15 November 2013 08: 29
      -4
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      Yarosvet author, yet another exposure of Putin

      This is not a revelation of Putin. Putin is not a doctor, he never speaks of such nonsense as those who are hired by his PR specialists, such persons as Fedorov will not speak. This is an exposure of the not very clever activities of the participants in the project “Fedorov against the Occupation.” Yarosvet plus.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 15 November 2013 09: 37
        18
        Quote: baltika-18
        .This exposure is not very clever activities of the participants in the project "Fedorov against the occupation". Yarosvet plus.

        Our man is a sucker because he is very easy to convince by laying out just one article.
        1. Associate Professor
          Associate Professor 15 November 2013 12: 55
          +8
          In time to create a heading on the site: "Tales from Yarosvet". For this storyteller to post his cheap "revelations" there, and his admirers - to comment. Moderators, do not turn the site into a trash heap, please.
          1. Botanologist
            Botanologist 15 November 2013 16: 12
            +3
            Quote: Docent
            For this storyteller to post his cheap "revelations" there, and his admirers - to comment


            Something like that.
          2. aksakal
            aksakal 15 November 2013 19: 31
            +6
            Quote: Docent
            In time to create a heading on the site: "Tales from Yarosvet". For this storyteller to post his cheap "revelations" there, and his admirers - to comment. Moderators, do not turn the site into a trash heap, please.

            - I support! Already in past fairy tales I asked the site moderators not to turn the site into a trash heap and an analogue of the "echo of Moscow". Of course, the moderators can say that there is freedom of speech, but in this case I do not see freedom of speech, I see the open provision of the word by the liberals, hotly crushed in front of everything Western, this was revealed in my disputes with him. Of course, this cycle of "fairy tales" from this "author" (the words "author", this writer of SABJ does not deserve, the wrong caliber) pursues to denigrate the name of the only one for the last 50 years relatively (I do not say anything brilliant, I do not call the father of nations) adequate and sane President of Russia - Putin. Taking into account the openly pro-Western vector of the "author", it is already clear what and for what kind of president this gentleman stands up. Honestly, I didn’t even read it, that’s exactly what I thought - "I didn’t read it, but I condemn it." Because I'm sure - nothing smart, and even just adequate and rational, is not laid out there, another anti-Putin you ... er, that's all.
            1. Yarosvet
              15 November 2013 19: 53
              -4
              Quote: aksakal
              I see the frank giving of the word to the liberals

              Hello saxaul hi

              What - liberals scared you? Don’t be afraid - I scold them, and they won’t bother you anymore.

              You better tell me what, you’re our patriot: I’ve been waiting for several months from you for confirmation of your idle talk that Stalin allegedly robbed river ships - can I wait, or not?
              1. Xroft
                Xroft 15 November 2013 23: 39
                0
                What do you want to achieve with this article? show that Putin * villain *? in politics, there are no sinless people who know this; the system of counterweights always works. Do you see an alternative to Putin in modern politics? give at least one example.
                Has the situation with Putin's rise to power improved? obviously yes. Was she like in the dawn of the USSR? it is obvious that no (and never will, such under capitalism).
                So why such an article? show an alternative view of politics? he is known to all (well, except for naive and * cheers * patriots, liberalists will kiss you for the article)
                1. Yarosvet
                  16 November 2013 12: 23
                  -2
                  Quote: Xroft
                  What do you want to achieve with this article?
                  The attribution to Putin by some citizens of fake merits really got enough.

                  show that Putin * villain *? in politics there are no sinless people know this
                  What is "known to everyone" very often turns out to be a lie (as in the case of Stalin, who "robbed" something). Why are these hackneyed clichés? Are violations of the Basic Law a sphere of religion and sin, and not criminal law?

                  counterbalance system always works
                  In the Russian Federation does not work.

                  Do you see an alternative to Putin in modern politics? give at least one example
                  You, subject to monitoring the compliance of your actions with the Constitution and federal legislation.

                  Has the situation with Putin's rise to power improved? obviously yes
                  Not obvious. I do not see a conceptual difference between 99 and now, and it makes no sense to talk about individual successes (as well as individual "failures") on a national scale.

                  Was she like in the dawn of the USSR? it is obvious that no (and never will, such under capitalism)
                  Obviously, Ivan. But capitalism is not registered anywhere with us (the right to property is registered), but it is written with us, Ivan is a SOCIAL STATE, WHERE A PERSON IS THE HIGHEST VALUE.

                  So why such an article?
                  About the dead - the truth, about the living - even more so.
                  1. Xroft
                    Xroft 16 November 2013 20: 21
                    0
                    There is realism, but there is futurism. That refers to futurism that politicians will abide by what is written on paper (in the form of a constitution), it is interpreted as it will be beneficial to the ruling class. Now it’s an oligarchy for which a person is a resource. Actually, this situation has always been (about interpretation) from the first times when the concept of * statehood * appeared: the murder of ambassadors, emperors, violation of non-aggression pacts, etc. Defeat by any means in order to achieve the goal which posed, this is the essence of mankind and hope that the situation will change naively. Caring for people is now not held in high esteem, everyone is only interested in dividends and this is the essence of capitalism in which modern society lives.
                    Can you change modern society? it's impossible.
                    History is cyclical, any empire collapses like any society. Now it acts on a more global scale, the more shocking it will be. The question of what will happen later will always remain a mystery.
          3. Ascetic
            Ascetic 15 November 2013 20: 43
            +5
            Quote: Docent
            Moderators, do not turn the site into trash, please.


            I saw a similar work walking through the open spaces of LJ, All of these Yarosvet and Normal are the same Fedorov, the same provocateurs. It seems to rely on the right things, only different conclusions are made, Fedorov idealize Putin, These same demonize exactly the opposite. The tactic is to drive a wedge into public opinion and divide the supporters and opponents into camps, as on Bolotnaya alone they shook from the liberal right flank. Other pseudo-nationalists and provocateurs like Normal, demanding to separate the Caucasus from the left. So here, on the one hand, Fedorov, on the other, Yarosvet,
            Moreover, they are not visible on the MILITARY review site on military branches, their main task is to turn the site from a military-political one into a squabble LJ trash.
            1. Xroft
              Xroft 15 November 2013 23: 07
              +1
              Yes, political news becomes much more than military .....
            2. Normal
              Normal 15 November 2013 23: 39
              +2
              Quote: Ascetic
              All these Yarosvet and Normal are the same Fedorov, the same provocateurs

              Well. Dear .... there was a higher opinion of you. Or did Friday ruin Saturday?
              If I and Yarosvet are "the same Fedorov" and together we are provocateurs, then you, Zhirinovsky and Mironov are one team - pro-government, not to say worse (although what could be worse than the likeness of Zhirinovsky?)
              Quote: Ascetic
              The tactic is to drive a wedge into public opinion and divide the camps of supporters and opponents,

              Lying. Public opinion is not yours, pro-government, monopoly, however much you would like to. Would you like to exclude any dissent in Russia?
              It is you, pro-government, who drive a wedge into society and divide it into supporters of comprador power and all the others whom you smear with orangery and other Surkov crap.
              Quote: Ascetic
              Moreover, on the site of the military review they are not visible on military branches,

              Well, for more than one month I was hacked with Karsom on "tanks" in my past life. Participated in the discussion of the conflict over the Falkland Islands.
              More than once he spoke about armored vehicles for the Airborne Forces, VTA and wheeled tanks. Don't you know anything about this? No wonder - to "meet" you on the military branch is a rare success and then only if we are talking about the Strategic Missile Forces.
              So don’t ... show your limitations and ignorance.
        2. Nick
          Nick 15 November 2013 20: 01
          +3
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Our man is a sucker because he is very easy to convince by laying out just one article.
          good
          In addition, poorly reasoned, the calculation on the suckers.
          Fortunately, judging by the rating of the article, there are a clear minority of those on the site ...
          1. FATEMOGAN
            FATEMOGAN 18 November 2013 01: 53
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            Quote: Nick
            Fortunately, judging by the rating of the article, there are a clear minority of those on the site ...


            But their number is clearly progressing ....
        3. s1н7т
          s1н7т 15 November 2013 21: 02
          +4
          It’s easy to convince a person with just one article if it says what he sees every day laughing
      2. T-130
        T-130 15 November 2013 10: 22
        +5
        Fedorov may be nonsense, but he is fundamentally right! Well, a person cannot call a spade a spade, he wants him to make it all look spectacular!
      3. alex13-61
        alex13-61 15 November 2013 11: 36
        +4
        Quote: baltika-18
        .Yarosvet plus.

        Since when did the "swamp writers" begin to use patriotic pseudonyms ... well, I would have signed "Churchill" or "Lincoln" - then it is understandable ...
        1. Associate Professor
          Associate Professor 15 November 2013 11: 58
          +4
          Quote: alex13-61
          Since when did the "swamp writers" begin to use patriotic pseudonyms ... well, I would have signed "Churchill" or "Lincoln" - then it is understandable ...

          Well, yes, old Russian names are used for greater persuasiveness.
    2. bodriy
      bodriy 15 November 2013 09: 54
      0
      So what about "now is not 37 years old," wanted to write, young fellow Yarik, democracy! good
      1. NAV-STAR
        NAV-STAR 15 November 2013 11: 10
        31
        Another diarrhea on Fedorov and Putin! Under Putin, the rules for the game selling petroleum products have changed! Some Khodorkovsky Berezovskys sold oil to their daughters in offshore zones at prices close to or equal to the cost, which in turn made the oil industry a loss-making bankrupt, they covered this practice with GDP. Comrades, do not fall for the tricks of cheap grant-eaters, such articles have recently flooded the network, all under one tracing-paper. Analyze what the oil industry could do in the late 90s - nothing, but now Gazprom and Rosneft are one of the largest of their kind, if not the largest, and thanks to them, Russia has expanded the corridor for maneuvers. Yes, not everything is good now, but what Fedorov is saying, before him, at his level, no one said.
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 15 November 2013 11: 45
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          Quote: NAV-STAR
          Under Putin, the rules for the game selling petroleum products have changed!

          Especially they have changed for the domestic market, each time stopping by for a gas station, I notice it. What Putin is doing in foreign policy is beyond praise, but nothing is visible except words inside the country. The Ministry of Internal Affairs and the Army need not be cited as an example; all improvements in these areas are directly dependent on oil prices. We still do not have production and agriculture. hi
          1. Associate Professor
            Associate Professor 15 November 2013 11: 56
            +3
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            We still do not have production and agriculture.

            Well, why so blatantly lie? And where does the wheat, chicken meat come from. pork, food? Don't lie like that.
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 15 November 2013 12: 33
              +8
              Quote: Docent
              Well, why so blatantly lie? And where does the wheat, chicken meat come from. pork, food?

              Are you lying? The term Food Security tells you something? The ratio of percent of imports and domestic production did not try to find out?
              PS Are you a cyclist or something? Satisfied with gas prices?
              1. Associate Professor
                Associate Professor 15 November 2013 12: 43
                -1
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                Are you lying?

                The term is familiar to me firsthand. But when they say that we don’t have something, it means that this is not at all. But this is not so. So you lie insolently.
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                PS Are you a cyclist or something? Satisfied with gas prices?

                I am not satisfied with the prices. I write about how it is. And not that I'm happy with it or not.
                1. Ingvar 72
                  Ingvar 72 15 November 2013 14: 12
                  +5
                  Quote: Docent
                  The term is familiar to me firsthand. But when they say that we don’t have something, it means that this is not at all. But this is not so. So you lie insolently.

                  Young man, have you been taught courtesy? When you blame a person for LIES, take the trouble to substantiate your words. From your point of view, if I have a loaf of bread and a kilogram of pearl barley at home, then I live in abundance? 40-50 percent of food is imported from abroad, the same pork, beef, and cereals, and what acquaintance with the term food security do you say? fool Plus entry into the WTO, with a light hand GDP, the last nail in the coffin of the village.
                  PS For your information, GDP does not like fanatical admirers, they have already rubbed the corn with its tongues in the ass. laughing
                  1. Associate Professor
                    Associate Professor 15 November 2013 14: 28
                    -1
                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    Young man, have you been taught courtesy?

                    Before reproaching me for being rude, you, first of all, did not need me to poke.
                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    When you blame a person for LIES, take the trouble to substantiate your words. From your point of view, if I have a loaf of bread and a kilogram of pearl barley at home, then I live in abundance?

                    And what about your prosperity?
                    You wrote that we do not have agriculture and industry. When they say no, it means not at all. This is not the case. So you are lying.
                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    40-50 percent of food is imported from abroad, the same pork, beef, and cereals

                    We don’t import pork, or import quite a bit. And we are exporters for wheat, okay?
                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    What acquaintance with the term food security do you say?

                    You did not write that we do not provide food security (which is true). You wrote that we have no agriculture and industry. That is, not at all. What I objected to you.
                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    PS For your information, GDP does not like fanatical admirers, they have already rubbed the corn with its tongues in the ass.

                    I'm not a fanatical admirer, just do not have to lie. It also does no honor to anyone.
                    PS How do you know what he loves and what not?
                    1. kris
                      kris 15 November 2013 14: 38
                      +5
                      Quote: Docent
                      We don’t import pork, or import quite a bit. And we are exporters for wheat, okay?

                      Dear, you're lying!
                      In 2012, Russian breeders produced 2,07 million tons of pork. Imports amounted to 1,07 million tons, consumption - 3,145 million tons.
                      1. Associate Professor
                        Associate Professor 15 November 2013 14: 44
                        -5
                        Quote: kris
                        Dear, you're lying!
                        In 2012, Russian breeders produced 2,07 million tons of pork. Imports amounted to 1,07 million tons, consumption - 3,145 million tons.

                        Dear, you are lying!
                        The pork consumption in Russia in 2012 amounted to 1,7 mln tons.
                      2. kris
                        kris 15 November 2013 15: 04
                        +4
                        Quote: Docent
                        Dear, you are lying!
                        The pork consumption in Russia in 2012 amounted to 1,7 mln tons.

                        In 2013, according to USDA forecasts, in Russia, the volume of imports of beef will be 1,0 million tons (+ 1,2% to 2012), pork - 1,1 million tons (+ 0,9% to 2012), broiler meat - 0,6 million tons (+ 3,6% to 2012 g.). The share of the Russian Federation in world imports of beef is 14,6%, pork - 15,8%, broiler meat - 6,5%.
                        World pork production (in slaughter weight), according to USDA forecasts, will amount to 2013 mln tons (+ 107,4% to 1,8 g.) In 2012, in Russia - 2,2 mln tons (2% of the world total) with an increase of 3,6% to 2012 g. The main exporters of pork will remain the United States (2,4 mln t, -3,3% to 2012 g.), The EU (2,6 mln t, + 1,5% to 2012 g.), Canada (1,2 mln t, -1,0% to 2012 g. ), Brazil (0,6 mln t, -6,2% to 2012 g.). The leaders in terms of pork imports will be Japan (1,2 million tons, -2,3% to 2012), Russia (1,1 million tons, + 0,9% to 2012), Mexico (0,8 million tons, + 9,1% to 2012) . The share of the Russian Federation in world pork consumption in 2013 will amount to 3,0% (3,2 mln tons, + 2,7% to 2012 g.) Of the global volume.
                        http://www.agromarket.com/news/470/
                        http://specagro.ru/obzor_novostei_APK_ROssiya_i_mir/?apk_news_id=1882&pref=140&p
                        id = 528
                        give your facts!
                      3. Associate Professor
                        Associate Professor 15 November 2013 15: 22
                        -4
                        What is USDA?
                      4. kris
                        kris 15 November 2013 20: 31
                        +3
                        Quote: Docent
                        What is USDA?

                        Google to help.
                        where are your numbers from?
                      5. Associate Professor
                        Associate Professor 15 November 2013 20: 32
                        0
                        Quote: kris

                        where are your numbers from?

                        I use arabic
            2. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 15 November 2013 14: 56
              0
              Quote: Docent
              Before reproaching me for being rude, you, first of all, did not need me to poke.

              Do you compare YOU’s appeal with unfounded lies? Yeah.
              Quote: Docent
              And what about your prosperity?
              You wrote that we do not have agriculture and industry. When they say no, it means not at all. This is not the case. So you are lying.
              If the last village remains in the country, will you also shout, "You are lying, there is only one left"? You don't need to aim at each letter. I spoke about the situation in the industry as a whole.
              Quote: Docent
              And we are exporters for wheat, okay?
              And you did not find out how much wheat we buy? Hard varieties of our wheat are almost all exported, and domestic consumption is covered by purchases of GMO grain from Canada.
              It is cheaper.
              Quote: Docent
              You did not write that we do not provide food security (which is true). You wrote that we have no agriculture and industry. That is, not at all. What I objected to you.

              Is there agriculture, but there is no food safety? fool
              Quote: Docent
              I'm not a fanatical admirer, just do not have to lie.
              You have not given me a single argument to support your "no need to lie".
              1. Associate Professor
                Associate Professor 15 November 2013 15: 21
                -4
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                Do you compare YOU’s appeal with unfounded lies? Yeah.

                Nothing to poke at strangers
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                If the last village remains in the country, will you also shout, "You are lying, there is only one left"? You don't need to aim at each letter. I spoke about the situation in the industry as a whole.

                50% of food products is one village?
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                And you did not find out how much wheat we buy? Hard varieties of our wheat are almost all exported, and domestic consumption is covered by purchases of GMO grain from Canada.
                It is cheaper.

                Give evidence of this. And give evidence, and so, this is just a chatter and nothing more.
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                Is there agriculture, but there is no food safety?

                It was about the presence of industry and agricultural or their absence, and not about food. security. And stop twisting your finger at the empty head. It does not color you.
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                You have not given me a single argument to support your "no need to lie".

                If you have vision problems, go to the optometrist, let him write you glasses
              2. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 15 November 2013 15: 38
                +2
                Quote: Docent
                50% of food products is one village?

                50 percent of imports are what I call destroyed agriculture.
                Quote: Docent
                It was about the presence of industry and agricultural or their absence, and not about food. security.

                One direct consequence of another. Person. who does not understand this, is either stupid or plays a role.
                Quote: Docent
                Give evidence of this.

                Personally faced with grain purchases.
                Quote: Docent
                If you have vision problems, go to the optometrist, let him write you glasses

                I wear glasses; unlike you, I don’t wear pink. laughing
              3. Associate Professor
                Associate Professor 15 November 2013 16: 55
                -2
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                50 percent of imports are what I call destroyed agriculture.

                You can call it what you want, the essence of this will not change
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                One direct consequence of another. Person. who does not understand this, is either stupid or plays a role.

                Do not distort.
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                Personally faced with grain purchases.

                And I personally came across export of wheat to Canada. Do you believe my word?
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                I wear glasses; unlike you, I don’t wear pink.

                Apparently, go in sunscreen?
        2. Normal
          Normal 15 November 2013 18: 58
          +1
          Quote: Docent
          And we are exporters for wheat, okay?

          Could you please indicate who this "we" is?
          Who owns those firms that produce, store and sell cereals in the Russian Federation. Legal addresses of these companies, their nationality?
          1. Associate Professor
            Associate Professor 15 November 2013 19: 20
            -1
            Quote: Normal
            Could you please indicate who this "we" is?
            Who owns those firms that produce, store and sell cereals in the Russian Federation. Legal addresses of these companies, their nationality?

            I will not be nice.
          2. Normal
            Normal 15 November 2013 20: 11
            +1
            Quote: Docent
            I will not be nice.

            Well, ash stump!
          3. Associate Professor
            Associate Professor 15 November 2013 20: 27
            0
            Quote: Normal
            Well, ash stump!

            Ash?
          4. Normal
            Normal 15 November 2013 22: 49
            +3
            Quote: Docent
            Ash?

            Yes! It’s even better. laughing
    3. s1н7т
      s1н7т 15 November 2013 21: 06
      0
      In the 90s, they were Chechens. Union-Region, for example.
  • Setrac
    Setrac 15 November 2013 14: 54
    0
    Quote: Ingvar 72
    0-50 percent of food imported from abroad

    The same wheat is imported of hard varieties that do not grow in Russia; export from Russia of soft wheat is several times higher.
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 15 November 2013 15: 03
      +4
      Quote: Setrac
      The same wheat is imported hard varieties that do not grow in Russia,

      Growing, Serge, in the Krasnodar and Stavropol Territories. Only it is exported, replacing the cheaper Canadian. GMO.
      1. Setrac
        Setrac 15 November 2013 16: 24
        +3
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        Growing, Serge, in the Krasnodar and Stavropol Territories. Only it is exported, replacing the cheaper Canadian. GMO.

        Of course it grows, only yield yields at the level of 15 c / ha. While the yield of winter varieties of soft wheat from 40 c / ha. The difference in price of 20% does not cover the difference of 2.5 times in yield.
        P.S. I live in the Krasnodar Territory.
  • ssergn
    ssergn 15 November 2013 15: 04
    0
    Do you even know why the Russian Federation dragged on for so long with the entry into the WTO? If so, please tell us uninitiated?
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 15 November 2013 15: 27
      +2
      Quote: ssergn
      Do you even know why the Russian Federation dragged on for so long with the entry into the WTO?

      One of my friends also pulled for a long time, and then she gave it anyway. laughing Judged not by deferral, judged by the results. If this delay were used according to the Chinese pattern, in order to boost production and sharpen the economy for export, this is one thing. And we have ........ request Under the terms of the WTO, only the banking sector is protected in our country; we forgot to protect the rural economy. Except as sabotage I can’t call it.
  • Gluxar_
    Gluxar_ 15 November 2013 16: 23
    -1
    Quote: Ingvar 72
    When you blame a person for LIES, take the trouble to substantiate your words. From your point of view, if I have a loaf of bread and a kilogram of pearl barley at home, then I live in abundance? 40-50 percent of food is imported from abroad, the same pork, beef, and cereals, and what acquaintance with the term food security do you say? Plus entry into the WTO, with a light hand GDP, the last nail in the coffin of the village. PS For your information, GDP does not like fanatical admirers, they have already rubbed the corn with its tongues in the ass.

    At least your lie is in numbers. Meat import in the total share of consumption does not exceed 25%. For poultry meat less than 11%. The worst thing is with pork, but even there the share of imports does not exceed 30%. And if we take the dynamics of the development of these livestock sectors, then reaching the level of PB at 85% can be achieved in the coming years.
    So some words addressed to you sound true.
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 15 November 2013 18: 12
      +1
      Quote: Gluxar_
      At least your lie is in numbers. Meat import in the total share of consumption does not exceed 25%. For poultry meat less than 11%

      How you zadolbali, cheers patriots. You poke with separate numbers, it’s not clear where they came from. I talked about total food imports, and he really is about 50 percent. What is the lie then? According to various estimates, the population of our country is provided by domestic food products by about 50-60%. -NIRSI, this is a court institute.
      Quote: Gluxar_
      Meat import in the total share of consumption does not exceed 25%.
      And you as always did not count sausage production. Almost ALL meat processing plants work with imported meat, add their products to your numbers, and they will be much higher.
      1. Setrac
        Setrac 15 November 2013 19: 08
        0
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        How you zadolbali, cheers patriots. You poke with separate numbers, it’s not clear where they came from. I talked about total food imports, and he really is about 50 percent. What is the lie then? According to various estimates, the population of our country is provided by domestic food products by about 50-60%. -NIRSI, this is a court institute.

        Well, if you are so principled then let's see what kind of 50% it is! This number of 50% is a percentage of the monetary value of food imports. Most of this amount (I note this is finance, not kilograms and not liters) comes from delicacies and fruits that do not grow in Russia due to the harsh climate. If you count kilograms, liters or calories, then the percentage of imports will be very modest.
        Of course, there are imports of meat and wheat, and other key products, but not because "all polymers have gone to waste", this is because foreign companies are trying to gain a foothold and stay in our market, if their production suddenly does not increase rapidly.
      2. Gluxar_
        Gluxar_ 16 November 2013 00: 57
        -4
        Quote: Setrac
        Well, if you are so principled, then let's see what this 50% is! This number 50% is a percentage of the monetary value of food imports. Most of this amount (I note this is finances, not kilograms or liters) falls on delicacies and fruits, which do not grow in Russia due to the harsh climate. If we count kilograms, liters or calories, then the percentage of imports here will be very modest. Of course, there are imports of meat and wheat, and other key products, but not because "everything was shitty of polymers", this is because foreign companies are trying to gain a foothold and stay on our market, if they suddenly do not become production will quickly increase.

        Yes, this troll is completely blind. He does not understand what he is writing about, repeats some mantras about some prosralipolymers and 50% in minus.
    2. Gluxar_
      Gluxar_ 16 November 2013 00: 53
      0
      Quote: Ingvar 72
      How you zadolbali, cheers patriots. You poke with separate numbers, it’s not clear where they came from. I talked about total food imports, and he really is about 50 percent. What is the lie then? According to various estimates, the population of our country is provided by domestic food products by about 50-60%. -NIRSI, this is a court institute.

      You are either really stupid, or as Troll has already said. In the total volume of food consumption, the share of imports does not exceed 7%. There are several weak industries. This is the production of milk, PKK and pork. But in aggregate consumption, these three sectors do not occupy even 15% of all consumption. But in the industries themselves, the share of imports of poultry meat, one of the main sources of animal protein in the diet of Russians, does not exceed 11%. The weakest indicators for pork and offal. In this segment, imports reach 27%. But in many other segments of the Russian Federation is an exporter. That is, the total food production outweighs the real nutritional needs of the whole country. Therefore, your ravings about 50% of imported food sound like a very stupid creature.

      At the same time, the drawdown in the meat market itself is connected both with historical prospects and with the 2008 crisis and not with the 2010 crop and drought. When a number of manufacturers were forced to put the stock under the knife due to the loss of business in a specific period of time. It is these factors that undercut many import substitution programs for meat products. Today, the dynamics are returning to the pre-crisis period. If you were more knowledgeable, then you would understand the periods of reproduction of cattle stock and understand that access to the planned stock is not possible in one season. In general, it is better to study the issue of fart by how to write something.
      Here is a specialized edition for you.

      Domestic enterprises continue increase pork production. In March of this year, the volume of industrial pork production in our country grew by more than 25% in relation to March 2012. For the first quarter growth in production indicators was 27%. And in the Central Federal District, where according to the results of the first three months of 2013, 55% of marketable pork is produced in our country, the production of this type of meat grew by 42%.

      http://meatind.ru/news/1082/

      Quote: Ingvar 72
      And you as always did not count sausage production. Almost ALL meat processing plants work with imported meat, add their products to your numbers, and they will be much higher.

      Unlike you, I also counted bone meal imported in the Russian Federation. You are even confused in the definitions. Re-study your manuals and update your stories.
    3. Cynic
      Cynic 16 November 2013 10: 02
      0
      Quote: Ingvar 72
      How you zadolbali, cheers patriots. You poke with separate numbers, it’s not clear where they came from. I talked about total food imports, and he really is about 50 percent. What is the lie then?

      There is nothing impossible in this world, but if you trust this figure of 50%, then half of the products on my table are imported!
      Sorry, but I do not see this point blank.
      By the way, but you yourself how do you evaluate your (especially yours) food basket for import?
      Not told by us
      There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics.
      There are three types of lies: lies, blatant lies and statistics.

      bully
  • Normal
    Normal 15 November 2013 18: 48
    +1
    Quote: Ingvar 72
    PS For your information, GDP does not like fanatical admirers, they have already rubbed the corn with its tongues in the ass.

    An anecdote as an illustration.
    Putin calls the proctologist:
    - Doctor, I can’t ... relieve myself.
    - Now let's see what’s the matter, Vladimir Vladimirovich. So ... So you have it there .... There is no hole !!! belay belay belay
    - I knew it - licked, scum ...
  • Botanologist
    Botanologist 15 November 2013 19: 31
    -1
    Quote: Ingvar 72
    40-50 percent of food is imported from abroad, the same pork, beef, and grains, and what acquaintance with the term food safety do you say?


    Well, let's do it without imagination, something you suffered off-road. What are their essentials imported from abroad, specifically? Do not count Roshen sweets and bananas, they are not included in food safety.
    In general, stop dusting and buzzing.
    1. atalef
      atalef 16 November 2013 10: 13
      0
      Quote: Botanologist
      Well, let's do it without imagination, something you suffered off-road. What are their essentials imported from abroad, specifically?

      Since the beginning of the year, Russia has imported 1 million 253,6 thousand tons of meat, Interfax reports citing data from the Federal Customs Service.
      Import of beef - 431,1 thousand tons, pork - 479,3 thousand tons, poultry meat - 343,1 thousand tons
      In January-September 2013, compared with January-September 2012, the physical volume of imports of fresh and frozen fish was 509,8 thousand tons (HS code FEA), the Fisheries Information Agency reports with reference to the Federal Customs Service.

      For milk and pasta, the same numbers are not weak.
      But what’s the most interesting After joining the WTO, Russia began to import sausages from abroad more actively. So, in 2012, for 4 months of Russia's real membership in the WTO (September - December), three times more sausages were imported than exported, while earlier import and export were approximately at the same level. As for pasta, their export is almost not carried out. The volume of pasta imports of middle and lower price categories, that is, packaged pasta from soft flour and weight pasta from baking flour, occupy about 5-7% of all pasta products. The main supplier of foreign pasta is Italy.
      1. Cynic
        Cynic 16 November 2013 10: 30
        0
        Quote: atalef
        the same numbers are not weak

        Above has already spoken out on the topic of statistics.
        Sorry, but you give bare numbers, this is not correct, politely speaking.
        Just wondering why you need this? If you look at the network and compare the import figures you quoted with the production of analogs, it becomes clear the provocative meaning of your post, with its external neutrality.
      2. atalef
        atalef 16 November 2013 10: 46
        +3
        Quote: Cynic
        Above has already spoken out on the topic of statistics.
        Sorry, but you give bare numbers, this is not correct, politely speaking.

        Statistics are not correct. bare numbers - this is correct. You deal with yourself


        Quote: Cynic
        Just wondering why you need this?

        Generally he asked

        Quote: Botanologist
        What are their essentials imported from abroad, specifically?


        Quote: Cynic
        If you look at the network and compare the import figures you quoted with the production of analogues

        In my opinion, you asked for it without statistics, or not so. You asked . what exactly is imported. I wrote . what to wag with a tail then? That statistics suits you, then no laughing

        Quote: Cynic
        it becomes clear the provocative meaning of your post, with its external neutrality.

        The provocation in the numbers of Roskomstat? Sorry, the claim is not for me. and to the above organization (as well as the same minuses) to the organization. to those who pushed Russia into the WTO, ruined agriculture and Microsoft came up with copy-test function hi
      3. Cynic
        Cynic 16 November 2013 20: 14
        +1
        Quote: atalef
        Sorry, the claim is not for me.

        To you, dear to you atalef . To whom else?
        Since you started pouring bare digital digits, you could not bring the naked digital digits for the production of these products in Russia.
        As they say, the last smear in the picture of agonizing Russia a la atalef .
  • Galan
    Galan 15 November 2013 20: 06
    +3
    "40-50 percent of food is imported from abroad, the same pork, beef, and cereals."
    "Foreign food" is imported to the capitals, and to the cities with a million-plus population. We have imported bananas and oranges with pineapples in the province. All the rest of the food is locally produced milk, cottage cheese, sour cream, butter from several local farms. Of course, they are not enough, we prefer to take them. Cows are kept in the nearest villages. The people have adapted, who prepares hay and sells it to the owners, who keeps cows and sells milk and dairy products to offices and houses, each has its own circle of consumers. The old, almost forgotten type of "milkmaid peasant" has returned. They sell a lot of meat from yards, quite often guests from Ekb. they collectively buy a bull live, immediately cut it, butcher it and take the meat away. Of course, this is still not enough, but the trend is evident. Smart people are gradually giving up imported food. Another ten years without liberal revolutions and "swamp squeal" and we would have fed ourselves, though so far without bananas and pineapples, and with global warming, then with them.
    1. Cynic
      Cynic 16 November 2013 09: 52
      0
      Quote: galan
      "Foreign food" is imported to the capitals, and to the cities with a million-plus population.

      Here about the cities with millionaires is not necessary, I myself live in this and in the same way
      Quote: galan
      bananas and oranges with pineapples imported. Everything else food
      domestic production. Our and neighboring areas.
  • Eugeniy_369
    Eugeniy_369 15 November 2013 19: 51
    +3
    Quote: Docent
    So you lie insolently.

    Interesting. You and Ingvar drank vodka that you poke him?
    PS I do not like when strangers are rude. Where only modders look ..
    1. Associate Professor
      Associate Professor 15 November 2013 19: 57
      -1
      Quote: Eugeniy_369
      Interesting. You and Ingvar drank vodka that you poke him?
      PS I do not like when strangers are rude. Where only modders look ..

      And you are better off about this Ingvar and write! After all, he was the first to switch to "you". And I don't drink vodka. And in general, I will figure it out somehow without you how and to whom I should contact. Do you understand me?
      1. Eugeniy_369
        Eugeniy_369 15 November 2013 21: 04
        +4
        Quote: Docent
        And you are better off about this Ingvar and write! After all, he was the first to switch to "you".

        From reading your dialogue it turns out that you were the first to "poke" steel.
        Quote: Docent
        And I do not drink vodka

        I'm happy for you (without sarcasm, for garlic)
        Quote: Docent
        And in general, I’ll figure it out without you somehow how and to whom I should contact.

        I do not argue, but only at home. In a society (I consider this forum a society), it is not necessary to be rude, a rumor cuts ...
        Quote: Docent
        Do you understand me?

        You do not understand me I guessed wassat
        1. Associate Professor
          Associate Professor 15 November 2013 21: 13
          -2
          Quote: Eugeniy_369
          From reading your dialogue it turns out that you were the first to "poke" steel.
          Read carefully, or buy glasses, but not sun glasses.
          Look for: "Are you a cyclist or something? Are you satisfied with the prices of gasoline?" Ingvar wrote this to me
          Quote: Eugeniy_369
          I don’t argue, but only at home

          I’ll figure it out without you how and to whom I should contact
        2. Eugeniy_369
          Eugeniy_369 15 November 2013 21: 36
          +2
          If I didn’t overlook, I apologize what .
          Quote: Docent
          I’ll figure it out without you how and to whom I should contact

          I have no doubt about that.
        3. Associate Professor
          Associate Professor 15 November 2013 21: 57
          0
          Quote: Eugeniy_369
          If I didn’t overlook, I apologize

          Ok, I forgive you!
        4. Eugeniy_369
          Eugeniy_369 15 November 2013 22: 06
          +6
          Quote: Docent
          Ok, I forgive you!

          Thank you "King of Hope!" fellow
        5. Associate Professor
          Associate Professor 15 November 2013 22: 09
          +2
          You are welcome!
  • s1н7т
    s1н7т 15 November 2013 21: 10
    +4
    Quote: Eugeniy_369
    Where only modders look ..

    In the training manual laughing
    1. Eugeniy_369
      Eugeniy_369 15 November 2013 21: 37
      +6
      Quote: c1n7
      In the training manual

      Well, somewhere it slipped that this site is under "control" bully
  • Nick
    Nick 15 November 2013 20: 20
    +4
    Quote: Docent
    But when they say that we don’t have something, it means that this is not at all. And this is not so.

    Milk production in Russia is declining, cattle stock is also ... Do not be lazy, study the statistics for the last couple of years and see everything ...
    1. Associate Professor
      Associate Professor 15 November 2013 20: 30
      -5
      Quote: Nick
      Milk production in Russia is declining, cattle stock is also ... Do not be lazy, study the statistics for the last couple of years and see everything ...

      Well, maybe it’s declining. But this does not mean that such products do not exist at all. what I wrote about
    2. Gluxar_
      Gluxar_ 16 November 2013 01: 01
      -2
      Quote: Nick
      Milk production in Russia is declining, cattle stock is also ... Do not be lazy, study the statistics for the last couple of years and see everything ...

      Over the past couple of years is growing. Decreased against the events of 2008-2010.
  • Gluxar_
    Gluxar_ 15 November 2013 16: 00
    -5
    Quote: Ingvar 72
    Are you lying? The term Food Security tells you something? The ratio of percent of imports and domestic production did not try to find out? PS Are you a cyclist or something? Satisfied with gas prices?

    What is one country in the world that provides itself to everyone?
    What criteria trolls choose always talks about who they work under. But for example, in oil-producing Norway, gasoline costs 2.5 times more than in Russia. In Turkey, gasoline is 2.2 times more expensive. In the UK 2,1 times. In general, from the nearest countries gasoline is more expensive in the following countries: Norway, Netherlands, Turkey, Italy, Greece, Sweden, Belgium, Denmark, Portugal, Finland, Great Britain, Ireland, Germany, Iceland, France, Slovakia, Slovenia, Switzerland, Czech Republic, Spain , Lithuania, Austria, Cyprus, Croatia .... and you can go on for a very long time. And these are only countries where the cost of gasoline is higher than in Russia two or more times.
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 15 November 2013 18: 24
      +2
      Quote: Gluxar_
      What is one country in the world that provides itself to everyone?

      None provide. I did not speak about it. But it is one thing to import bananas and dates, the other is Meat, Bread, and dairy products. This despite the fact that Russia has always been an agricultural country.
      Quote: Gluxar_
      But for example, in oil-producing Norway, gasoline costs 2.5 times more than in Russia

      The average salary in Norway was forgotten to be mentioned nearby. And why didn’t they mention the USA, Egypt? Your knowledge of the geography of Europe amazed me, but they do not produce oil there.
      1. Eugeniy_369
        Eugeniy_369 15 November 2013 21: 08
        +4
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        The average salary in Norway was forgotten to be mentioned nearby. And why didn’t they mention the USA, Egypt?

        Everyone yells that gasoline is not so expensive compared to the world, but I just forget to compare the average salary. By the way, the lion's share in the price of fuel are taxes and excise taxes of the state, but this is so ... by the way ....
        1. Gluxar_
          Gluxar_ 16 November 2013 00: 29
          -2
          Quote: Eugeniy_369
          Everyone yells that gasoline is not so expensive compared to the world, but I just forget to compare the average salary. By the way, the lion's share in the price of fuel are taxes and excise taxes of the state, but this is so ... by the way ....

          But comparing the average salary, they forget to compare the cost of living and taxes in states, as well as social systems. Russian civilization is different from the western one and you cannot compare them according to some simplified criteria, such as the price of gasoline.
          The point of this article is that nothing happened in Russia, and the merit / fault of all is the spontaneous increase in energy prices. just as not the Russians beat all the invaders for ages, and they themselves simply died from the weather ... the weather in which the Russians have to grow their wheat and compete in quality with sunny countries. Article vyser and this is a fact. Trolls do not finish.
      2. Gluxar_
        Gluxar_ 16 November 2013 00: 25
        -2
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        None provide. I did not speak about it. But it is one thing to import bananas and dates, the other is Meat, Bread, and dairy products. This despite the fact that Russia has always been an agricultural country.

        Russia was an agrarian country in the 19th century, like many others in that era. And even then, Russia did not provide itself with durum wheat. They were not so widespread then. The lag in these segments is associated with the culinary fashion of the last decades. The growth of the well-being of citizens makes it possible to increase the demand. If we talk about food security, then Russia is reliably protected from hunger. Imports to Russia are in the premium segment, that is, these are high quality products. And this situation is normal, given the climatic features of our country, but the dynamics are positive and will soon be corrected even in such categories as pork and durum wheat. Do not forget that with an import of 1,7 million tons, the Russian Federation will export up to 25 million tons.
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        The average salary in Norway was forgotten to be mentioned nearby. And why didn’t they mention the USA, Egypt? Your knowledge of the geography of Europe amazed me, but they do not produce oil there.

        At purchasing power parity, the average salary of Russians is higher than more than half of the countries listed, taking into account taxes and other fees, the situation looks even more optimistic. Depardieu no wonder dumped from France.
        In the US, gasoline is slightly cheaper than in Russia. In Egypt, much cheaper. But there is an average salary of $ 80-150.
        Do not plant a swamp from scratch. The situation with gasoline in Russia is better than in many states. And do not forget that oil is not growing on a tree, but it still needs to be extracted.
    2. alone
      alone 15 November 2013 20: 03
      +3
      Quote: Gluxar_
      But for example, in oil-producing Norway, gasoline costs 2.5 times more than in Russia. In Turkey, gasoline is 2.2 times more expensive. In the UK 2,1 times. In general, from the nearest countries gasoline is more expensive in the following countries: Norway, Netherlands, Turkey, Italy, Greece, Sweden, Belgium, Denmark, Portugal, Finland, Great Britain, Ireland, Germany, Iceland, France, Slovakia, Slovenia, Switzerland, Czech Republic, Spain , Lithuania, Austria, Cyprus, Croatia .... and you can go on for a very long time. And these are only countries where the cost of gasoline is higher than in Russia two or more times.


      but it’s cheaper than ours. laughing
      1. Gluxar_
        Gluxar_ 16 November 2013 00: 31
        +1
        Quote: lonely
        but it’s cheaper than ours.

        95th is cheaper by 20%, while 98% is almost twice as expensive. So to each his own.
        And you do not have your own space or nuclear industry. Something like this. smile
    3. atalef
      atalef 16 November 2013 11: 16
      +1
      Quote: Gluxar_
      . In Turkey, gasoline is 2.2 times more expensive. In the UK 2,1 times. In general, from the nearest countries gasoline is more expensive in the following countries: Norway And these are only countries where the cost of gasoline is two or more times higher than in Russia.

      Well then, for completeness, bring gas prices in Vinisuela. Saudi Arabia and Iran (as oil producing countries) Or in the States and China (as the main importers of oil), and now explain why it is cheaper in both countries than in Russia.
  • Botanologist
    Botanologist 15 November 2013 19: 27
    -1
    Quote: Ingvar 72
    The term Food Security tells you something? The ratio of percent of imports and domestic production did not try to find out?


    Normally we have everything with food security. What are you even worried about? We sell grain, our own chicken, our milk, our fish, almost all our vegetables.
    And if you look at imports, it’s not food security. These are delicacies. Do you care if there will be Hamon meat and French wine on the shelves?
    1. Gluxar_
      Gluxar_ 16 November 2013 00: 33
      -2
      Quote: Botanologist
      Normally we have everything with food security. What are you even worried about? We sell grain, our own chicken, our milk, our fish, almost all our vegetables. And if you look at imports, it’s not food security. These are delicacies. Do you care if there will be Hamon meat and French wine on the shelves?

      Trolls don't care. Everyone understands their tactics, take some sort of separate outwardly flawed phenomenon and spread it like hell * o on a plate. Russia will receive its EU and create a grain union. In the next 20 years it will become the leading cereal producer in the world.
  • baltika-18
    baltika-18 15 November 2013 14: 28
    +5
    Quote: Docent
    Well, why so blatantly lie? And where does the wheat, chicken meat come from. pork, food? Don't lie like that.

    Yesterday I just looked. Fresh data - food imports are 65%. Even Putin said that the situation is very bad in this matter. The truth is they are not doing anything to solve, but to begin with, he has already recognized some kind of shift.
    1. Associate Professor
      Associate Professor 15 November 2013 14: 34
      -3
      Yesterday I just watched. Fresh data - food imports are 65%. Even Putin said that the situation is very bad in this matter. They really do nothing to solve, but to begin with, he admitted that there has already been some kind of shift. [/ Quote]
      So who is denying something? I say that not 100% import, as some write here
  • Gluxar_
    Gluxar_ 15 November 2013 15: 42
    +2
    Quote: Docent
    Well, why so blatantly lie? And where does the wheat, chicken meat come from. pork, food? Don't lie like that.

    And where do elevators, combines, buses, trains, planes, rockets, energy, refrigerators, washing machines, industrial lasers come from .... yes there is not a single country on this planet that would produce such a range of industrial goods as Russia. The whole West is no longer releasing everything he needs, even in cooperation. Bought in Russia and China.
    It’s just that most of today's young people think that advertised junk is the real product and thinks little about what technologies civilization itself is based on.
  • ssergn
    ssergn 15 November 2013 14: 59
    0
    Yes, what are you? Where is it with you? Have you been to Altai for a long time? (s) In the Kuban? In the Stavropol Territory?
    Kuzbass? Ural? Yes, the same auto clusters, albeit foreign brands?
    Read the portal "Made with us". Very useful for people like you. If you are really sure that we have nothing and is not developing, then you will learn a lot of new and interesting things for yourself. hi
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 15 November 2013 15: 15
      +5
      Quote: ssergn
      Yes, the same auto clusters, albeit foreign brands?

      I would not call screwdriver assembly my own production. At AvtoVAZ, the scientific and technical base is destroyed with the sale of a controlling stake in France. Moreover, GDP indirectly participated in the sale of a controlling stake. They don’t need thinkers, they need robots. Jobs are cutting. I live in Togliatti, I know firsthand. I heard the same thing about GAZ.
      1. Gluxar_
        Gluxar_ 15 November 2013 16: 45
        -5
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        I would not call screwdriver assembly my own production. At AvtoVAZ, the scientific and technical base is destroyed with the sale of a controlling stake in France. Moreover, GDP indirectly participated in the sale of a controlling stake. They don’t need thinkers, they need robots. Jobs are cutting. I live in Togliatti, I know firsthand. I heard the same thing about GAZ.

        The localization of production of foreign brands in Russia at the beginning of 2013 reached 70%. For some brands, one hundred percent localization.
        I am surprised today by such activity of trolls. He says that jobs are being cut at AvtoVAZ ... is it interesting for such a troll that the term "automation and robotization of production" is generally familiar?
    2. s1н7т
      s1н7т 15 November 2013 21: 22
      +6
      Quote: ssergn
      Very useful for people like you. If you are really sure that we have nothing and are not developing, then you will learn a lot of new and interesting things for yourself.

      I just visit Kemerovo, Altai, and I myself live in the Urals - so we develop here, except for corruption, tell me, do not torment! And read the news from the Urals - where does the money go, which is "for development" laughing For 10 months. In 2013, the number of enterprises in the private sector decreased more than in the whole of 2012 (data from Rosstat). Is this how we "develop"? Does patriotism overshadow the brains? Don't watch racial TV until lunchtime laughing
      1. Eugeniy_369
        Eugeniy_369 15 November 2013 21: 43
        +6
        Quote: c1n7
        Do not watch Racean television until noon

        And better in general))))) Damn from this TV codela is sick ...
      2. Gluxar_
        Gluxar_ 16 November 2013 00: 36
        -3
        Quote: c1n7
        I just visit Kemerovo, Altai, and I live in the Urals - so we develop here, in addition to corruption, tell me, don't torment! And read the news from the Urals - where does the money go, which "for development" For 10 months. In 2013, the number of enterprises in the private sector decreased more than in the whole of 2012 (data from Rosstat). Is this how we "develop"? Does patriotism overshadow the brains? Don't watch racial TV until lunchtime

        Blackened desalination of bullshit. The private sector is imaginary private entrepreneurs who covered up when they raised social insurance payment rates to the standard minimum wage rate. This is a fight against the shadow economy, which in the private sector exceeds 60% of total indicators.
        I myself faced this problem, now it’s cheaper and more profitable to transfer employees to the minimum wage in LLC, than under Ip to do something in detail.
      3. Setrac
        Setrac 16 November 2013 02: 18
        -4
        Quote: c1n7
        Do not watch Racean television until noon

        Your Russophobic position is understandable, you are trying to insult our country, even in small things, by distorting the name.
        I draw the attention of the administration to such a malicious violation of the rules of the site.

        Quote: c1n7
        raceic
        1. s1н7т
          s1н7т 16 November 2013 20: 21
          0
          Quote: Setrac
          Your Russophobian position is understandable

          Is it me Russophobe ?!
          I'm stupid. And now half of the country has been dumbfounded by propaganda, alas! This can be seen even here. Although, it would seem, people who gravitate towards military topics should be inclined to analysis. A correct, objective "assessment of the situation" is the key to making the right decision, if you have ever read BUSV, of course laughing
          1. Cynic
            Cynic 16 November 2013 20: 24
            -2
            Quote: c1n7
            A correct, objective "assessment of the situation" is the key to making the right decision,

            Based on what?
            Correctly _ Reliable information.
            What is at least one source of reliable information?
            1. aviamed90
              aviamed90 17 November 2013 14: 42
              +3
              Cynic

              Own eyes and ears.
              1. Cynic
                Cynic 17 November 2013 16: 36
                0
                Quote: aviamed90
                Own eyes and ears.

                Yeah, as well as paws and tail!
                Seriously, then
                EVERYONE SEES WHAT HE WANTS TO SEE
  • goldfinger
    goldfinger 15 November 2013 17: 43
    +7
    Quote: Ingvar 72
    but inside the country, apart from words, nothing is visible.

    We can see Putin's "work" from Belarus.
    Beautifully, Putin recently hung noodles about a systemic fight against corruption.
    The Investigative Committee only learned to press the opposition and the gut is thin against real corrupt officials.
    Serdyukov is at large (bastard somewhere in Russia).
    Vasilyeva-house arrest with a cleaning lady and a cook + walked her every day in the park and boutiques of Moscow.
    Maksim Zakutailo, the defendant in the Oboronservis case, was released from the pre-trial detention center, house arrest.
    Ekaterina Smetanova, a defendant in the Oboronservis case, was released, house arrest.
    Luzhkov, Baturin-send greetings from Austria.
    The deputy head of Rosreestr Sergey Sapelnikov calmly fled to the United States with the looted grandmothers.
    Skrynnik sends greetings from France.
    Bilalov sends greetings from England.
    Reimer sends greetings from Israel.
    Kuznetsov sends greetings from the USA, France.
    Ignatenko-released without waiting for trial, Poles in shock.
    Puzikov hid somewhere in Europe, he wants to sit out until everything calms down in the Ministry of Defense.
    Etc.
    Nobody has sat down from this Putin vertical !!!
    1. Associate Professor
      Associate Professor 15 November 2013 17: 57
      -8
      Quote: goldfinger
      Us from Belarus

      You from Belarus are better off to do your Belarusian affairs, but do not go to us
      1. s1н7т
        s1н7т 15 November 2013 21: 32
        +5
        Where to send you, phony patriot? It was back in the days of the Soviet Union - it was different, or Bulbash was smarter and more useful for the country than many "local" blunders.
        1. Associate Professor
          Associate Professor 15 November 2013 22: 00
          -2
          Quote: c1n7
          Where to send you, phony patriot? It was back in the days of the Soviet Union - it was different, or Bulbash was smarter and more useful for the country than many "local" blunders.

          Where can you?
      2. Eugeniy_369
        Eugeniy_369 15 November 2013 21: 44
        +1
        Quote: Docent
        You from Belarus are better off to do your Belarusian affairs, but do not go to us

        I agree here recourse , (although not at ease sad )
        1. Associate Professor
          Associate Professor 15 November 2013 21: 59
          0
          Quote: Eugeniy_369
          I agree here

          Thank you, comrade!
          1. Eugeniy_369
            Eugeniy_369 15 November 2013 22: 11
            +3
            Quote: Docent
            Thank you, comrade!

            Yes there is nothing drinks .
            Please, do not react too emotionally, you need to be calmer, I know from personal experience ((((( sad
            PS I’ll try to fix my cons.
          2. Eugeniy_369
            Eugeniy_369 16 November 2013 01: 01
            +1
            Overcome you thoroughly recourse .
    2. bolonenkov
      bolonenkov 15 November 2013 19: 16
      -3
      Quote: goldfinger
      We can see Putin's "work" from Belarus.
      Beautifully, Putin recently hung noodles about a systemic fight against corruption.


      He promised to double the GDP, he doubled.

      He promised that there would be a natural population growth - it came true

      He promised to reduce poverty, it was 42+ million, 10 left, although this is also very much

      He promised to fight crime, the number of murders decreased by at least 3 times, from 45 thousand in 2001 to 15 thousand in 2012, although admittedly, there is still room for improvement

      He promised to "clean up in the outhouse", in 2001 more than 5 thousand militants were sent to the Chechen Republic, now the republic is being restored, and the number of tourists from other regions is even growing there.

      He promised to pay off external debts - they paid, and their current amount is easily covered by gold reserves and other reserves.

      He promised to increase the investment attractiveness of the Russian Federation, in 2003 they invested in Russia by 30 billion, in 2011 already by $ 114 billion, for 2012 I don’t know the numbers, but I’m sure that more

      He promised to increase the prestige of the Armed Forces, the army is rearming, the salaries of the military in 2012 increased 3 times at once, young lieutenants receive from 50 a month.

      I think, if you wish, you can still find a lot, but there are also certain jambs such as housing and communal services, communal services, corruption (although no one in the world has defeated it, and the Russian Federation is dragging its way closer to the end of the list of the Big 20 countries), migration policy, dependence on oil (again, over the past 13 years, GDP growth has increased not proportionally to the growth in oil prices, but significantly outstripping it, which indicates a positive trend of liberation from the oil "needle"), the Central Bank is still unclear under whose leadership, and so on, I think those who wish can provide a longer list.

      But if you draw a line, then most likely Vladimir Vladimirovich fulfilled 70 percent of the possible maximum for this period, someone will think less, someone more, but this is all purely subjective, since in terms of numbers these percentages cannot be expressed, how, for example, to express the increased political weight of the Russian Federation in the international arena? And how to predict that it would be with a different leader, etc.
      1. Yarosvet
        15 November 2013 20: 02
        +4
        Quote: bolonenkov
        He promised to double the GDP, he doubled
      2. Normal
        Normal 15 November 2013 20: 58
        +7
        Quote: bolonenkov
        But if you draw a line, then most likely Vladimir Vladimirovich fulfilled 70 percent of the possible maximum for this period, someone will think less, someone more, but this is all purely subjective, since it is not possible to express these percentages in numbers,

        Here! Finally, I agree with you. But only in this; maybe fulfilled, or maybe not, maybe 70 percent or maybe 25. The numbers are such a thing ... you can play them endlessly and in any direction - all this is subjective.
        But! You are 23 years old. At this age, life is beautiful! In Hitlerite Germany or the Stalinist USSR, During the time of the Brezhnev stagnation, or even during the Gorbachev perestroika, In the Yeltsin’s 90s or Putin’s zero-twenties. 23 years old! Buzz! The full feeling that you are the smartest and everything is in your hands! Anyone older is dinosaurs! Dull whiners and losers. Enlightened their youth and country. Those who do not understand retrograde and critics.
        I was like that when I was 23 years old.
        Then I grew up. And of all the numbers and numbers of achievements of the country for me have become important ... PRICES! On housing and communal services, on gasoline, on education and medical care, on hell's products and much more. I understand life not through the sdelanounas website, but through what I see in real life. But in real life, I see a huge difference between what pro-government say and what actually is.
        But this is also a "subjective" assessment. True, for me and my family, it is unconditionally objective.

        And the whole essence of the disagreement between pro-government and critics of power is only one thing; is it possible, is it permissible to criticize power, or is power a divine essence, any criticism of which is a betrayal of the motherland?

        All of your calculations are related to real life insofar as. So far, real life and real problems have not touched you. You think, due to the lack of life experience, that you caught God by the hand. You are quite happy with the current state of affairs.
        Do not make an end - life will raise the bar. When, as a result of the long-term rule of GDP, the country comes to turmoil and obscurantism, then remember those who warned you about this, but you did not listen.
        1. bolonenkov
          bolonenkov 15 November 2013 21: 17
          -5
          Quote: Normal
          Here! Finally, I agree with you.

          Hooray! drinks
          Quote: Normal
          is it permissible to criticize power, or is power a divine being

          Need to criticize, but constructivelyand not how the author of the current article does it and a bunch of all-out proponents, for whom even Superldet is a shame, and reducing poverty from 42 million to 10 is the genocide of their own people.

          Quote: Normal
          You think, due to the lack of life experience, that you caught God by the hand.

          God does not need to be caught, you need to believe in him, this helps me

          Quote: Normal
          . When, as a result of many years of reign of GDP, the country will come to turmoil and obscurantism

          It's like with Brezhnev, right? Change Putin? No problem, in five years at the elections, and not on the Internet at the forum, or in the square. If there is a worthy candidate who does not "jackal at other people's embassies", then let him know that my vote is for him.

          Threat. Thanks for the nice comment. good
        2. Botanologist
          Botanologist 15 November 2013 21: 31
          -3
          Quote: Normal
          the whole essence of the disagreement between pro-government and critics of power is only one thing; Is it possible, is it acceptable to criticize Power, or is power a divine essence, any criticism of which is a betrayal of the Motherland?


          Do not practice such cheap discussion methods. It is simply indecent. Criticize power on health! Only if you started talking, as the author of this opus, about PSAs, then take the trouble to reveal the topic. And to sit in a puddle and shout that everything is not a discussion, but emotions.
          And your emotions are of no interest to anyone here, are you?
          1. Normal
            Normal 15 November 2013 23: 59
            +5
            Quote: Botanologist
            And your emotions are of no interest to anyone here, are you?

            Is accenting a nickname a manifestation of emotions, and therefore recognition
            their powerlessness and defeat in the discussion?

            I have repeatedly reinforced my emotions with concrete examples from personal experience. Cheap ways is your demagoguery.
            Quote: Botanologist
            Criticize power on health!

            Any, even the most justified criticism of the authorities is an occasion for you to switch to a person. Argumentally commented on the article of the unit, and the general background and mood
            Brad .... vyser ....
            1. Botanologist
              Botanologist 16 November 2013 23: 14
              -1
              Quote: Normal
              Is not emphasizing on anyone a manifestation of emotions, and therefore a recognition of his powerlessness and defeat in the discussion


              Nick is a kind of reflection of internal complexes. The scariest aunt on the forums usually calls herself "princess", "sexy", "pretty", etc. As for your nickname - I don't even want to discuss it publicly. Well, I called you a month ago, if I remembered correctly, paranormal, there was a case wink . But he didn’t even imagine that a person trying to seem serious would react so nervously to this. So you can draw my accent on nickname on the wall of the apartment and remember it to the grave if it comforts you. Frankly, I take my disputes with you frivolously, because I know the audience of your kind quite well.

              Quote: Normal
              I have repeatedly reinforced my emotions with concrete examples from personal experience.


              Yes, I have no doubt. It’s impossible for a nationalist without emotions, because you live by affects.

              Quote: Normal
              Any, even the most justified criticism of the authorities is an occasion for you to switch to a person.


              And here I strongly disagree with you. Firstly, because you wrote that the whole essence of the disagreement between pro-government and critics of power is only one thing; is it possible, is it permissible to criticize power, or is power a divine essence, any criticism of which is a betrayal of the motherland? Who did we get personal with?
              Secondly, I am not a great fan of power. Nevertheless, even those things that I do not like, I try to understand and justify. Not in order to justify any action, but in order to assess the consequences and results. I don’t want to retell what you are doing, but I don’t like your position for many reasons. And in this case, because if you do not like Putin, you are ready to support any nonsense. And after that you offer me a serious conversation wassat . And how to talk seriously with you when you simply don’t notice the arguments that break your logic to smithereens?
              So, dear, let's not find out personal relationships, I don’t have one and can’t have one for you, and if you want to discuss it, we rely on the opponent’s argumentation system, rather than pulling individual phrases out of context, which you like to do.
              By the way, a similar method of manipulation is called sophistry. Characteristic for children up to 14 years, when they scream - you said that word yourself, but now you are making excuses!
  • Nick
    Nick 15 November 2013 20: 14
    +4
    Quote: Ingvar 72
    We still do not have production and agriculture.

    I know firsthand that loans for the development of agriculture are so difficult to access, and the tax authorities are so strict that in five years, either the Chinese or the Western Europeans will supplant the domestic agricultural producer. At least subsidies in the EU amount to about 350 euros per hectare, in Russia about 4 ...
  • bodriy
    bodriy 15 November 2013 16: 28
    +3
    but now explain to me why the privatization of Rosneft is so important?! the owners have changed and the policy is the same, to steal from the people, because the people are the lowest link for these Jews! explain to me the meaning of privatization ...?! our people went their own way, the only way we can save that little is left ... !!!
  • Nick
    Nick 15 November 2013 20: 06
    +1
    Quote: NAV-STAR
    Analyze what the oil industry could do in the late 90s - nothing, but now Gazprom and Rosneft are one of the largest of their kind, if not the largest, and thanks to them, Russia has expanded the corridor for maneuvers.

    Thank God! Most of those present on the site have analytical skills.
  • timer
    timer 16 November 2013 00: 49
    +2
    In the late 90s, the oil industry belonged to one group of crooks, and now it belongs to another group of crooks. What is the difference?! I’m touched by the slogan in advertising gas-national treasure.
    Do you want to convince me that the income from the sale of natural resources goes to the needs of Russia and the people? I won’t believe it! If this were really so, there would be enough medicine in hospitals, medicine would be really free, and not vice versa, etc. that raised s police (the name warps) - this is a rotten regime that protects itself from the people, because it is afraid of it. And I want to, lastly, pay attention to the following. The fact is who the strategic partner of Rosneft is the American company Exmobil. And this is in brief.
  • bolonenkov
    bolonenkov 15 November 2013 14: 11
    +5
    In Russia, there is a law on the "Death Penalty", it DOES, and sentences are passed on it, then they simply add, "in connection with the maratorium on the UK, the punishment is replaced by life imprisonment." Something similar here, just Yaroslav, as in the previous "throw-in" is trying to pull the terms to the required result.

    In an article about the Central Bank, he grabbed the word nationalization, and by law it turns out that the Central Bank RF belongs to the Russian Federation, since it is the Central Bank RF, but the clause that it is actually an independent body and does not obey either the municipal, regional or federal authorities does not indicate, but rather uses the word Russia in the "Bank of Russia" and the abbreviation of the Russian Federation in "Central Bank RF"

    Regarding this article
    The PSA law exists, but it exists in the same way as the "Death Penalty" exists, and this is needed in order for the existing contracts to be legally implemented, and there are only 3 of them - Sakhalin-1 (ExxonMobil, signed on June 30, 1995 ), Sakhalin-2 (Sakhalin Energy was signed in June 1994) and the Kharyaga oil field (Total was signed on December 20, 1995), and the very proportions and benefits for them were revised. In short, the situation, as with the Mistrals and IVECO, was concluded by Taburetkin, but it will not work to cancel, since the case is subject to jurisdiction, and the decision of the international courts of the Russian Federation is obliged to comply with the Constitution, written by the same people who wrote the PSA agreement for us.

    I have a question for Yarosvet, since the law is in force, and this is all a myth, then probably a lot of projects on it are already being implemented? Maybe he will bring a couple of agreements that were signed after 2004?

    In order not to breed demagoguery about inflation and the rise in price of oil, I suggest Yarosvet
    First, look at the tax revenues from oil to the budget in the 99th year, and then in 2005 and 2012, only count not in Baku, but in real units - that is, immediately in barrels in accordance with the prices of those years.

    Roughly speaking, in 1999/2005/2012, so many barrels were produced on the territory of the Russian Federation, so many barrels came to the budget, and then compare revenue growth and production growth. And since we think in barrels, the price of oil and inflation do not matter.

    In 1999 year
    oil price $ 17.97
    Oil production 295,2 million tons = 2149 million barrels
    591,6 billion cubic meters of gas produced
    Budget revenues from oil (export + taxes) $ 4,538 billion = 253,2 million barrels
    The dollar exchange rate 27 rub

    In 2005 year
    oil price $ 54.52
    452,9 million tons of oil produced = 2297 million barrels
    640,8 billion cubic meters of gas produced
    Oil and gas budget revenues (export + taxes) 76,3 billion $ = 1400,8 million barrels
    The dollar exchange rate 28,5 rub

    In 2012 year
    Price 86.46 $
    518 million tons extracted = 3771 million barrels
    655 billion cubic meters of gas produced
    Oil and gas budget revenues (export + taxes) 208,15 billion $ = 2407,6 million barrels
    Dollar exchange rate 31 ruble

    Сonclusion.
    Oil and gas revenues in 2005 increased 5,5 times compared to 1999, although oil production during the same period increased by only 6% and gas by 8%

    Oil and gas revenues in 2012 increased 9,5 times compared to 1999, although oil production increased by 75% and gas by 10%

    Oil and gas revenues in 2012 increased by 71% compared to 2005, while oil production over the same period increased by 64% and gas production by only 2%.

    Conclusion, the increase in oil and gas revenues and oil production volumes in 1999 and 2005 is disproportionate, and a jump in revenues of 9,5 times with approximately the same production volumes suggests that something did happen between 2000 and 2004, and we have there is every reason to say that Yaroslav "chased the bald man" when he wrote this article.
    1. bolonenkov
      bolonenkov 15 November 2013 14: 32
      0
      Quote: bolonenkov
      Oil and gas revenues in 2005 increased 5,5 times compared to 1999, although oil production during the same period increased by only 6% and gas by 8%

      Sorry, messed up with numbers, in 2004 an increase in production of 53%, respectively, in the conclusion,

      5,5 times increase in revenues in 2004, and 9,5 times in 2012, with production growth of 0,5 and 0,7 times, respectively
      1. Yarosvet
        15 November 2013 17: 28
        0
        Quote: bolonenkov
        The PSA law exists, but it exists in the same way as the "Death Penalty" exists
        Man - you play very ineptly with words: a moratorium has been imposed on the execution of the death penalty, and no one says that it has been abolished - they are talking about a moratorium.
        Fedorov does not say that 225-FZ was blocked, he claims that 225-FZ was canceled precisely in the 04th year, and this is a lie (he also claims that Putin did this, and this is also a lie)

        But this is necessary in order to legally implement existing contracts ...
        and the very proportions and benefits on them were revised
        When - in the 04th? laughing

        and the decision of the international courts of the Russian Federation is required to comply with the Constitution, written by those who wrote the PSA agreement for us
        You substitute the notion of a sweetheart - the Russian Federation is not obliged to comply with the decisions of international courts, but the decisions of international courts only in terms of agreements signed and ratified by the PRESIDENT of the Russian Federation, which, under the provisions of the same Constitution, is obliged to act in the interests of the Russian Federation and protect the sovereignty of the Russian Federation.

        probably already a bunch of projects on it are being implemented? Maybe he will bring a couple of agreements that were signed after 2004?

        1 The law regulates the rules for concluding and the terms of agreements, and does not oblige them to conclude.
        2 Following your "logic", hundreds of agreements had to be concluded before 04th year - where are they?

        In 1999 year
        oil price $ 17.97
        Oil production 295,2 million tons = 2149 million barrels
        Budget revenues from oil (export + taxes) $ 4,538 billion = 253,2 million barrels
        The dollar exchange rate 27 rub
        That is, 11.8% of the mined

        In 2012 year
        Price 86.46 $
        518 million tons extracted = 3771 million barrels
        655 billion cubic meters of gas produced
        Oil and gas revenues budget (export + taxes) $ 208,15 billion = 2407,6 million barrels
        Dollar exchange rate 31 ruble
        That is, the budget seems to have hit 65% of the mined. laughing

        And everything would have seemed fine, but there’s such a nonsense such a quandary: for the 99th year you have indicated incomes specifically from oil, and for the 12th (and the rest) - from oil and GAS.

        And here's the joke: from 2000 to the 12th, the price of oil increased 10 times, and production almost 2.
        At the same time, the price of gas increased by 10 times, and production by 4.

        I read you these crazy stuff before
        1. bolonenkov
          bolonenkov 15 November 2013 17: 52
          -3
          Quote: Yarosvet
          Fedorov does not say that 225-FZ was blocked, he claims that 225-FZ was canceled precisely in the 04th year, and this is a lie (he also claims that Putin did this, and this is also a lie)


          I wanted to fuck this Fedorov and his conclusions
          Quote: Yarosvet
          When - in the 04th?

          No, for contracts signed before 2004

          Quote: Yarosvet
          The Russian Federation is not obliged to comply with decisions of international courts, but decisions of international courts only in terms of agreements signed and ratified by the PRESIDENT of the Russian Federation

          Article 15. Clause 4. The generally recognized principles and norms of international law and international treaties of the Russian Federation are an integral part of its legal system. If other rules are established by an international treaty of the Russian Federation than those provided by law, the rules of the international treaty shall apply.

          Quote: Yarosvet
          1 The law regulates the rules for concluding and the terms of agreements, and does not oblige them to conclude.
          2 Following your "logic", hundreds of agreements had to be concluded before 04th year - where are they?

          I brought you three, I’m waiting for yours after 2004, because they do not forbid you to conclude them

          That is, 11.8% of the mined

          Yes, you yourself see
          That is, 65% of the mined

          You are quick-witted
          for the 99th year you have indicated income specifically from oil, and for the 12th (and the rest) - from oil and GAS.


          Read, OIL AND GAS INCOME
          If you have other numbers, provide a link, and then calculate how many times these revenues grew in 2005 in barrels, and how much production increased

          And here's the joke: from 2000 to the 12th, the price of oil increased 10 times, and production almost 2.

          We consider in barrels (at prices corresponding to years), and not in dollars, with this approach, price and inflation do not matter when comparing.
          1. Yarosvet
            15 November 2013 19: 33
            +1
            Quote: bolonenkov
            I wanted to fuck this Fedorov and his conclusions
            And to me tady what claims? Get started.

            No, for contracts signed before 2004
            Have you read the article?

            Article 15. Clause 4.
            Generally recognized principles and norms of international law and international treaties of the Russian Federationthat is, recognized by the Russian Federation, in other words, signed and ratified. The UN Convention against Corruption is also a norm of international law, but it has not ratified the 20th article of the Russian Federation, and the result of this is known to everyone.

            I brought you three, I’m waiting for yours after 2004, because they do not forbid you to conclude them
            Have you read the article?

            Read, OIL AND GAS
            I read what you wrote.

            We consider in barrels (at prices corresponding to years), and not in dollars, with this approach, price and inflation do not matter when comparing.

            You count in dollars and convert them to barrels.

            Let's just estimate: the increase in prices and volumes of oil and gas consumption should give an increase in the share of oil and gas revenues by 11 at least 50 times.

            Multiply 4.538 by 50 and look at the 11th year of the table
            1. bolonenkov
              bolonenkov 15 November 2013 20: 30
              -2
              Quote: Yarosvet
              The generally recognized principles and norms of international law and international treaties of the Russian Federation, that is, recognized by the Russian Federation, in other words, signed and ratified. The UN Convention against Corruption is also a norm of international law, but it has not ratified the 20th article of the Russian Federation, and the result of this is known to everyone.

              Therefore, perhaps we are implementing the decisions of the ECHR and others?

              Quote: Yarosvet
              I read what you wrote.

              Just admit that your only hope of catching me in a lie has failed)))

              Quote: Yarosvet
              Have you read the article?

              In your article it is written that now who wants to can conclude a PSA agreement, but for some reason those who wish have fled and don’t want to, aren't there good pieces of oil pie in Siberia and on the shelf?

              Quote: Yarosvet
              You count in dollars and convert them to barrels.

              Prices correspond to years.
              The chicken laid 100 eggs in the first year at a price of 2 rubles per piece, in the second year 110 at a price of 20 rubles per piece (inflation of 500% + price increase due to a deficit of 500%).
              A Jew sells eggs in the market, and since he cares for this chicken, in the first year he paid his share to the owner under contract only in the amount of 20 rubles (or ten eggs), and in the second 1430 rubles (or 72 eggs). And all because the owner revised the contract for the second year and bought a gun, so that if anything, for theft, get this Jewish man's ass full of salt. The number of eggs increased by 10%, and real income 7 times, income in rubles 72 times (1430), if you count in the prices of the first year, then 144 rubles against 20 rubles ....
              The question is, what do you dislike about counting in barrels?
              1. Yarosvet
                15 November 2013 21: 48
                +1
                Quote: bolonenkov
                Therefore, perhaps we are implementing the decisions of the ECHR and others?
                Well, probably not because we are masochists.

                Quote: Yarosvet
                Just admit that your only hope of catching me lying has failed
                Why catch you in a lie, if you can catch on stupidity and a substitution of concepts? In a lie, I catch Fedorov.

                In your article it is written that now who wants to can conclude a PSA agreement, but for some reason those who wish have fled and don’t want to, aren't there good pieces of oil pie in Siberia and on the shelf?
                In my article it is written that the conditions for foreign capital were worsened by the 19th Federal Law.

                What do you dislike about counting in barrels?
                I don’t see the point.

                Budget revenues in the 99th 22.7 billion dollars, in the 12th 420.2 billion dollars.

                The share of oil and gas revenues in the budget of the 99th is 18% (4 billion 86 million), in the 12th 49% (205 billion 900 million)

                The cumulative increase in prices and volumes of oil and gas production is at least 50 times.

                That is, taking into account the growth in prices and the volume of production, we should have these 205 lard with a share of oil and gas revenues in the budget of 18%, and we have them at 49%.
                Consequently, due to oil and gas (MET and duties), the budget fullness increased by 2 times (apparently primarily due to gas), and the remaining sectors of the economy were sagged.
                1. bolonenkov
                  bolonenkov 16 November 2013 08: 59
                  +1
                  Quote: Yarosvet
                  Why catch you in a lie, if you can catch on stupidity and a substitution of concepts?

                  We’ve bred demagoguery)) Oil and gas revenues were used in the head commentary, and you squeaked about the mistake.
                  So what nonsense am I writing?

                  Quote: Yarosvet
                  The share of oil and gas revenues in the budget of the 99th is 18% (4 billion 86 million), in the 12th 49% (205 billion 900 million)

                  At 99m, only 10% of all mined bappels came to the budget, in 2005 65%.
                  In real terms, the oil and gas portion of the budget grew 9,5 times, with the oil and gas sector and the non-oil and gas sector growing.
                  Here for comparison, the GDP growth of the oil-producing country for this period.


                  Toast, the Russian economy grew not only thanks to oil.

                  The discussion was closed.
                  1. Yarosvet
                    16 November 2013 13: 06
                    +2
                    Quote: bolonenkov
                    The head comment used oil and gas revenues
                    So what nonsense am I writing?
                    You don’t write, but rewrite, not even caring about checking the numbers presented (a barrel in the 12th definitely cost not 86)
                    In 1999 year
                    oil price $ 17.97
                    Oil production 295,2 million tons = 2149 million barrels
                    591,6 billion cubic meters of gas produced
                    Budget revenues from oil (export + taxes) $ 4,538 billion = 253,2 million barrels
                    The dollar exchange rate 27 rub

                    In 2012 year
                    Price 86.46 $
                    518 million tons extracted = 3771 million barrels
                    655 billion cubic meters of gas produced
                    Oil and gas budget revenues (export + taxes) $ 208,15 billion = 2407,6 million barrels
                    Dollar exchange rate 31 ruble
                    Between oil revenues and oil and gas revenues there is, you know, a big difference.

                    Quote: bolonenkov
                    At 99m, only 10% came to the budget
                    Look at the report of the Ministry of Finance on the results of the execution of the federal budget.

                    Toast economy of the Russian Federation grew not only thanks to oil
                    Do not confuse economic growth with GDP growth.
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    3. Lunaaron
      Lunaaron 15 November 2013 15: 33
      0
      Not in the eyebrow, but in the eye!
      So their-grand dignitaries!
      good
  • Associate Professor
    Associate Professor 15 November 2013 10: 40
    21
    I do not know about the PSA, I have not studied this issue in detail. But the author "modestly kept silent" that the proceeds from the sale of resources went to the budget only with the introduction by Putin of the mineral extraction tax (MET). The author claims otherwise:
    So what was done to increase budget revenues?

    Nothing at all. It’s just that in the 2004 year, the price of oil, which grew quietly already from 99, went up sharply (and the production volumes, and hence sales, grow from the same 99).

    So, this is a blatant lie. Before the introduction of the severance tax, the oligarchs mined resources, sold them to their own offshore companies abroad for a penny, and paid taxes "honestly" from these cents. And already these offshore companies were selling resources to the world market at a normal world price. With the introduction of the severance tax, taxes began to be paid not from the price at which the oligarchs sold to their own offshore companies, but from the amount of extracted resources based on world prices. Here's a simple arithmetic. And no increase in oil prices under the previous system would have changed absolutely nothing. But the author of this, like all similar authors, "does not see at close range."
    Most likely, if you study the PSA, you will find out that even here in the author's article, given his past "merits", not everything is in order, to put it mildly.
    1. Horst78
      Horst78 15 November 2013 11: 42
      +4
      I completely agree about the severance tax (from the oil city itself). But I don’t understand all the oil industry and gas attributed to PSAs. It seems that the PSA was mainly related to Sakhalin, about any case we did not hear about the PSA in Strezhevoy.
      1. Normal
        Normal 15 November 2013 21: 15
        +1
        Quote: Horst78
        . It seems that the PSA was mainly related to Sakhalin, about any case we did not hear about the PSA in Strezhevoy.

        But you will not deny that everyone heard that the GDP abolished the PSA and thereby saved the country?
        1. s1н7т
          s1н7т 15 November 2013 21: 39
          +5
          GDP saved the country? Did he resign ?! laughing
  • taseka
    taseka 15 November 2013 13: 50
    +6
    We are writing, discussing, and Serdyukov calmly sat in the chair of the General for Russian Technologies! Finish a la comedy!
    1. bolonenkov
      bolonenkov 15 November 2013 18: 33
      -2
      Quote: taseka
      We are writing, discussing, and Serdyukov calmly sat in the chair of the General for Russian Technologies! Finish a la comedy!

      He sat in the chair of the director of one center somewhere in the village - this time.
      I’m very angry even with this, I believe that his place in prison, along with his harem.
  • Sakhalininsk
    Sakhalininsk 15 November 2013 14: 27
    +4
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Yarosvet author, another revelation of Putin Yarosvet, everything would be like with Sakhalin, but it’s not worth writing about it. Although to whom I say this


    An author from the category of all-prowlers ...
    I wonder if Yarosvet was on Sakhalin? And at least somehow familiar with modern mechanisms for the implementation of, for example, the Sakhalin-2 project smile
    1. Associate Professor
      Associate Professor 15 November 2013 17: 21
      -4
      An author from the category of all-prowlers ...

      The author, rather, from the category of trolls
  • Gluxar_
    Gluxar_ 15 November 2013 15: 36
    -1
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Yarosvet author, another revelation of Putin Yarosvet, everything would be like with Sakhalin, but it’s not worth writing about it. Although to whom I say this

    Article minus, did not even read the middle of Joe. Another vyserok.
    It is strange that such trolls themselves raise this topic, because these events are always hushed up. The essence of the amendments is simple, the oil has been taken under the control of the federal government and registered. Distribution items were changed and it was determined who bears the costs for what. Until 2004, Western companies worked sovereignly and no one could even check them, they could write that they produced 2 million barrels, when they pumped out all 40 million. Nobody canceled the agreement itself, because the companies continued to work as they worked, but only if they used to did not pay anything, then after the amendments all sorts of vysskih began to talk about the "oil curse" of Russia. And that Putin was "lucky."
    No luck, just work.
  • Su24
    Su24 15 November 2013 18: 05
    0
    the fervor of the so-called "investors" diminished significantly, as a result of which more than two hundred agreements that were being prepared for the conclusion were never concluded.



    So what was done to increase budget revenues?

    Nothing.


    Here, how does the author relate these statements? How can an adult write this literally in a paragraph?

    It’s just that in 2004, the price of oil, which has been growing slowly since the 99th year


    This Yarosvet himself is not indifferent to fairy tales. Like, the leadership has nothing to do with it, it's just expensive oil. But nothing, that for 5 years oil has not been growing, that now it costs the same as in 2007-2008? For some reason, this does not prevent the revival of the defense industry and the army.
    1. alone
      alone 15 November 2013 20: 11
      0
      http://www.potatosystem.ru/obzor-rynka-katofelya/

      I am very sorry, I read an article where it says:
      Despite the fact that the import of potatoes significantly exceeds its export, the share of imported potatoes from the gross harvest is only 1,2%. The total volume of potatoes imported into Russia amounted to more than 370 thousand tons.

      What, in Russia there are no potatoes? don't understand anything what belay
  • optimist
    optimist 15 November 2013 08: 33
    -6
    Let's hope that the investigators in the future, investigating the art of the Siberian Crane and co, will bring complete clarity to this and similar questions ...
    1. zvereok
      zvereok 15 November 2013 08: 55
      10
      Let's hope that the investigators in the future, investigating the art of the Siberian Crane and co, will bring complete clarity to this and similar questions ...


      I hope the investigators are not from the Chinese Communist Party will be?

      PS: All this is good, but when will they put Serdyukov?
      1. optimist
        optimist 15 November 2013 09: 30
        +2
        Quote: zvereok
        I hope the investigators are not from the Chinese Communist Party will be?

        I also really hope so !!! laughing
        1. Cherdak
          Cherdak 15 November 2013 11: 12
          +5
          Once Vladimir Vladimirovich ™ Putin answered questions of citizens of the Russian Federation.
          - Vladimir Vladimirovich ™, asked the TV presenter Kirill Kleimenov, - Here they ask about Navalny ...
          “I won’t give money to Navalny,” Vladimir Vladimirovich ™ answered immediately, “We are short of ourselves.”
          1. Associate Professor
            Associate Professor 15 November 2013 11: 17
            +1
            As far as I know, Putin never spoke in public the name Navalny
            1. Eugeniy_369
              Eugeniy_369 15 November 2013 21: 34
              +1
              Quote: Docent
              Putin never pronounced the surname Navalny publicly

              Aga Bulk for Putin as Voldemort laughing .
              Quote: Docent
              As far as I know

              You know bad
              “I asked Putin if he didn’t pronounce Navalny’s name on purpose. Answer: “No, why? Alexey Navalny is one of the leaders of the opposition movement, ”the journalist (@ASLuhn) wrote in his microblog. Earlier, a spokesman for the Russian President Dmitry Peskov denied the allegation that Putin did not specifically pronounce the name of Navalny aloud. “It’s time to think in categories not“ by any margin ”, but“ won or lost. ” And there is a winner in these elections, and there are losers, ”said Peskov. He emphasized that Navalny is a loser. He also refuted the assertion that the president of Russia does not publicly name the name of Alexei Navalny. “You know, there is no problem with that. This is a far-fetched situation, ”Peskov commented on such a statement.
              Google to the rescue.
      2. Warrawar
        Warrawar 15 November 2013 09: 45
        -7
        Quote: zvereok
        I hope the investigators are not from the Chinese Communist Party will be?

        Investigators will be from the "Russian National Liberation Army".
      3. Z.A.M.
        Z.A.M. 15 November 2013 11: 48
        +9
        Quote: zvereok
        PS: All this is good, but when will they put Serdyukov?

        laughing
        Here is the news. Draw your own conclusions ...

        "On Wednesday, the Leningradsky District Court of Kaliningrad issued a verdict in a criminal case initiated against the 55-year-old former head of the Ministry of Emergency Situations in the Kaliningrad Region Yuri Chinchukov. As a result, hundreds of millions of rubles (174) disappeared from the treasury without a trace, writes NEWSru.com.

        The Russian Themis in the person of Judge Eduard Biryukov determined the punishment for Yuri Chinchukov in the form of 7,5 years in prison conditionally with a trial period of 4,5 years. Moreover, the convicted person is deprived of the right to hold positions in state and municipal bodies for a period of 3 years, the official website of the regional prosecutor's office reports.
        laughing wassat recourse

        Quote: Asgard
        the formation of a JUST SOCIETY ....

        Eh ...
      4. sashka
        sashka 15 November 2013 12: 39
        +4
        Serdyukov headed the Federal Research and Testing Center of Mechanical Engineering.
        http://1prime.ru/Politics/20131115/770588214.html
        It seems that the question is closed.
        1. Associate Professor
          Associate Professor 15 November 2013 12: 47
          -3
          Quote: Sasha
          Serdyukov headed the Federal Research and Testing Center of Mechanical Engineering.

          He already almost led Rostec. I think the media will soon make him the prime minister.
          1. sashka
            sashka 15 November 2013 16: 37
            +4
            Quote: Docent
            I think the media will soon make him the prime minister.

            I don't know about the media. Otherwise, everything is fine ... according to plan or drum. It depends on how you look at your work. Companion and friend of the "great" and omnipresent ..
      5. 89501358976
        89501358976 15 November 2013 13: 23
        +5
        from November 1, he was appointed to a new position, see a little sp..dil recourse
        1. Associate Professor
          Associate Professor 15 November 2013 14: 33
          -3
          Quote: 89501358976
          from November 1, he was appointed to a new position, see a little sp..dil recourse

          This is only a duck in the media. Nothing more. This already, by the way, was
          1. sashka
            sashka 15 November 2013 18: 14
            +3
            Quote: Docent
            This is only a duck in the media.

            And this is a fact. What is more? Is this not enough? As our omnipresent colonel says, well, do I have land from a pot of flowers? All are absolutely honest and not corrupt. Especially Vasiliev and Serdyukov.
      6. Yarosvet
        15 November 2013 13: 45
        +1
        Quote: zvereok
        PS: All this is good, but when will they put Serdyukov?
    2. Cherdak
      Cherdak 15 November 2013 11: 09
      +4
      Once Vladimir Vladimirovich ™ Putin answered questions of citizens of the Russian Federation.
      “Vladimir Vladimirovich ™,” asked journalist Mikhail Leontyev, “I’m always writing about the shale revolution, but Alexey Miller does not believe. Let's break his hand!
      - Yes, you already got everyone with your revolution! - answered Vladimir Vladimirovich ™, - Do you need enough gas? Yes, we have so much gas that we have nowhere to put it! Do you want black fluid to flow from your tap? It’s good that you don’t ask for money ...
  • erix-xnumx
    erix-xnumx 15 November 2013 08: 39
    +7
    Why is this article on a site called "Military Review"?
    1. MIKHAN
      MIKHAN 15 November 2013 08: 48
      19
      How what ..? There is a real war of information! Russia Army Fleet is all one ..
      1. erix-xnumx
        erix-xnumx 15 November 2013 09: 08
        20
        The site is messed up with such articles. The article does not discuss the techniques, coping or means of information warfare, the author simply demonstrates his dislike for a particular politician and his environment.
        1. rexby63
          rexby63 15 November 2013 12: 25
          0
          The site is messed up with such articles


          He is already filthy. From the military review, only the name remains. In all the rest - a branch of the company named after Anton Nosik
        2. rexby63
          rexby63 15 November 2013 12: 25
          0
          The site is messed up with such articles


          He is already filthy. From the military review, only the name remains. In all the rest - a branch of the company named after Anton Nosik
      2. Horst78
        Horst78 15 November 2013 11: 50
        +4
        Here it is
        There is a real war of information
        After the presidential election, RBC is impossible to watch. Prokhorov then Prokhorov, well, direct light in the dark kingdom of Russia. I have to turn off the sound and read the running line sad
    2. sergey261180
      sergey261180 15 November 2013 08: 48
      +7
      Didn’t you hear the information wars? Those who lie more convincingly win.
    3. Asgard
      Asgard 15 November 2013 09: 30
      +5
      Because it affects the country's defense ...
      It characterizes the Commander-in-Chief, because he will be behind us when We fight)))))
      Analytics of the situation in the country near military units ...
      Forms Tasks that can be set for Officers, for the liberation of the Motherland and the formation of a JUST SOCIETY ....
      The situation in the country and the world as a whole, which can provoke the use of weapons ... for the purposes considered))))))
      1. erix-xnumx
        erix-xnumx 15 November 2013 10: 17
        +2
        Of course, I understand that it is possible, if you strain yourself very hard, to reveal the influence of the growth rate of telegraph poles beyond the Arctic Circle on the state of combat readiness of the Armed Forces, but the article deals with the statements of Karaulov and Fedorov. How can their personal opinion characterize the Commander-in-Chief? And indeed, the Supreme Commander, among other things, is also the President, and just a person. Based on this, we will discuss on this site all aspects of its being? Starting from his beloved dog and to his statements regarding some LGBT people?
    4. Normal
      Normal 15 November 2013 21: 33
      +2
      Quote: erix-06
      Why is this article on a site called "Military Review"?

      On the site called "Military Review" there is a column "Opinion" in which articles are published on a variety of topics at least somewhat related to military-patriotic or socio-political topics.
      This article is published in this section.
      Purely military topics under the headings "Armament" and "Arsenal"
  • Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 15 November 2013 08: 47
    11
    Some nonsense fool
    1. alexng
      alexng 15 November 2013 10: 46
      11
      Nonsense, like ...
      - I’m a burner and everything burned out! I got compensation.
      - Do you have a certificate that you are a fire victim?
      - Not. She burned too.


      But it’s interesting to ask, but has life changed now compared to the nineties? Or it does not depend on anyone. And the fact that the Russian economy is currently the fifth in the world, nothing? Not annoying?
      1. vahatak
        vahatak 15 November 2013 11: 22
        -1
        Quote: alexneg
        And the fact that the Russian economy is currently the fifth in the world, nothing?

        What a news!!! Can I get acquainted with the source of your information?
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 15 November 2013 11: 28
          +1
          Quote: vahatak

          What a news!!!

          This is not news for a long time, open Google and you will have a lot of links, for every taste
        2. alexng
          alexng 15 November 2013 11: 50
          +1
          http://vybor.ua/article/vzaimootnoshenija/rossiya-pyataya-ekonomika-v-mire-stati
          stika.html
          1. vahatak
            vahatak 16 November 2013 00: 38
            +1
            I don’t know what the link is, but it doesn’t open anything. I know the data of the World Bank, IMF, etc., there Russia is at the ninth or tenth par value, and PPP is seventh at best.
            1. Setrac
              Setrac 16 November 2013 02: 46
              +1
              Quote: vahatak
              I don’t know what the link is, but it doesn’t open anything. I know the data of the World Bank, IMF, etc., there Russia is at the ninth or tenth par value, and PPP is seventh at best.

              I want to draw the attention of those who are ahead of Russia or close to us.
              1 The United States is a country twice as large as Russia in terms of population; due to its aggressive colonial policy, it plunders half of the world (this is a topic for a separate article) and they print a "measure of measurement."
              2 China - the population is ten times larger than the Russian, GDP is only 4 times larger.
              3 India - the same as China, GDP is only 1.5 times more than Russian.
              4 Japan - the population is almost like in Russia, but it is an occupied country, has access to the money and resources of the owner.
              5 Russia
              6 Germany - in fact the same as Japan, plus half of Europe plows on the Germans.
              7 Brazil is the same as Russia, only people have more GDP less.
              8 France - almost all of North Africa has a colony, another imperialist exploiter
              9 Britain is the same as France, only other colonies.
              1. vahatak
                vahatak 16 November 2013 19: 50
                0
                C'mon, what are you making excuses for? Nobody scolded Russia, just talked about numbers.
                Although your list is also not correct, the arguments about Germany and Japan are simply ridiculous. I will not even talk about imperialists and exploiters, because communism of the brain is incurable.
      2. Peaceful military
        Peaceful military 15 November 2013 13: 53
        0
        Quote: alexneg
        Nonsense, like ...
        - I’m a burner and everything burned out! I got compensation.
        - Do you have a certificate that you are a fire victim?
        - Not. She burned too.


        But it’s interesting to ask, but has life changed now compared to the nineties? Or it does not depend on anyone. And the fact that the Russian economy is currently the fifth in the world, nothing? Not annoying?

        good
      3. Yarosvet
        15 November 2013 13: 55
        -1
        Quote: alexneg
        and has life changed now compared to the nineties?
        Of course - in comparison with the abstract 90s, life has changed.
        But in comparison with specifically the 2nd half of the 99th conceptual change, I did not notice something - can you tell me where and what?

        And the fact that the Russian economy is currently the fifth in the world, nothing? Not annoying?
        It doesn’t bother, because the fifth one is in terms of PPP GDP (see what kind of animal this is in the dictionary of economic terms)
        1. Setrac
          Setrac 15 November 2013 15: 07
          +2
          Quote: Yarosvet
          It doesn’t bother, because the fifth one is in terms of PPP GDP (see what kind of animal this is in the dictionary of economic terms)

          Not annoying. By GDP (without PPP) is also the fifth economy. Here it is necessary to clarify that according to the list of the World Bank, and if you look at the list of the CIA (that's where the unbiased source wink ) then the sixth economy. But this is not important, it is still a high indicator.
          1. Yarosvet
            15 November 2013 17: 40
            0
            Quote: Setrac
            By GDP (without PPPs) is also the fifth economy
            7-я.

            still a high rate.
            1. Setrac
              Setrac 15 November 2013 19: 16
              0
              Quote: Yarosvet
              7-я.

              Give a link, otherwise I only find the 6th and 5th places.
              And what does this table have to do with it?
              1. Yarosvet
                15 November 2013 20: 14
                +2
                Quote: Setrac
                otherwise I only find the 6th and 5th places
                5 and 6 are PPP GDP. I was mistaken a little - 8th place.

                And what does this table have to do with it?
                Well ... But what about the share of salaries in GDP? This is more important than GDP.
                1. Setrac
                  Setrac 15 November 2013 20: 33
                  +1
                  Quote: Yarosvet
                  Well ... But what about the share of salaries in GDP? This is more important than GDP.

                  You cited the source site as a rusfact, but this source refers to Wikipedia, and its English-language segment.
                  But the data on the Russian-language segment of Wikipedia
                  http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/ВВП
                  1 USA 15,684,800
                  2 China 12,470,982
                  3 India 4,793,414
                  4 Japan 4,490,681
                  5 Russia 3,380,071
                  6 Germany 3,307,873
                  According to the World Bank.
                  1. Yarosvet
                    15 November 2013 21: 53
                    -1
                    Quote: Setrac
                    According to the World Bank.
                    This is parity GDP.
                    1. Setrac
                      Setrac 15 November 2013 22: 08
                      +1
                      Quote: Yarosvet
                      This is parity GDP.

                      I will quote the same Wikipedia from where you got the data.

                      List of countries by nominal (absolute) value of gross domestic product in dollar terms, calculated using the market or established by the authorities exchange rate. This indicator cannot be considered objective, since it has a significant drawback - it does not take into account the difference in prices for homogeneous goods and services in different countries. For example: the price per liter of AI-95 (Premium) gasoline in Norway is $ 2,7, in Russia $ 0,97, and $ 0,02 in Venezuela. Thus, the nominal GDP of developed countries is overstated, while developing countries are underestimated.
                      1. Yarosvet
                        15 November 2013 22: 20
                        0
                        Quote: Setrac

                        Sergey, read about purchasing power parity.
                      2. Setrac
                        Setrac 15 November 2013 23: 02
                        0
                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        Sergey, read about purchasing power parity.

                        Read. What should I see there?
                      3. Yarosvet
                        15 November 2013 23: 04
                        0
                        Quote: Setrac
                        What should I see there?

                        What is it and how is it considered.
                      4. Setrac
                        Setrac 16 November 2013 00: 07
                        -1
                        Quote: Setrac
                        Read. What should I see there?

                        How cute! Minus for clarifying question lol
                        I clearly got a fan who is minus the principle.
  • Lindon
    Lindon 15 November 2013 08: 47
    -8
    Yarosvet

    Well done dispelled the myth of the State Duma deputy E. Fedorov.
    What does Putin have to do with it? Does anyone say anything about him - now that Putin should hold the answer for all?
    1. zart_arn
      zart_arn 15 November 2013 09: 03
      -6
      Putin has nothing to do with it, that is, absolutely. In general, it has nothing to do with the price spike for hydrocarbons, just the years of his reign coincided with this period, that's all. But the producing economy continues its free fall and in some places has already reached the earth, and Putin has nothing to do with it.
      1. I do not care
        I do not care 15 November 2013 10: 24
        +5
        and Putin has nothing to do with it.
        something like this
        1. Asgard
          Asgard 15 November 2013 11: 07
          +3
          Wait Putin pushes Union ships
          This will entail amendments to 9 articles of the Constitution ...

          Although he signed the Law on Rally-DIRECTLY CONTRADICTING to the CONSTITUTION of the Russian Federation, article 31 ....
          1. Associate Professor
            Associate Professor 15 November 2013 11: 12
            -1
            Quote: Asgard
            Although he signed the Law on Rally-DIRECTLY CONTRADICTING to the CONSTITUTION of the Russian Federation, article 31 ....

            What is the law contrary to Article 31 of the Constitution?
        2. Yarosvet
          15 November 2013 14: 03
          +2
          Quote: me by
          something like this

          You do not set the table, but read the indicated regulatory documents regarding the indicated articles - you will be very surprised at the discrepancy between the table and what is actually written in these documents.
    2. stroporez
      stroporez 15 November 2013 10: 49
      +7
      Quote: Lindon
      What now Putin to hold the answer for all?
      --- but no sho? he is a "colonel" over Russia .... and if he does not know what is happening, or does not know ----- means such x ...... "colonel" .......... ..
    3. Yarosvet
      15 November 2013 14: 00
      +2
      Quote: Lindon
      What does Putin have to do with it?
      Formally - nothing to do with.

      But Fedorov is one of the oldest edrosov.

      And this is a screen of transcripts from the last bunch of EP.
  • borisjdin1957
    borisjdin1957 15 November 2013 08: 51
    0
    from the Don.
    That’s the end of the tale, but the author is well done!
  • zvereok
    zvereok 15 November 2013 08: 53
    0
    next day:

    A tax evader business must deal with security officials, not tax officials. TFR has the right to initiate criminal cases of tax violations based on operational materials of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, said President Vladimir Putin. The statement was addressed to Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev, who had previously opposed the intervention of security forces in tax disputes.

    A rare case when I agree with Dmitry Nanotolevich, as for example in the case of tightening the sale of alcohol.


    PS: All this is good, but when will they put Serdyukov?
    1. pahom54
      pahom54 15 November 2013 09: 24
      +5
      For zvereok
      I like your constant promise: All this is good, but when will they put Serdyukov in prison?
      Applause - to the studio!
      1. IRBIS
        IRBIS 15 November 2013 10: 04
        +5
        Quote: pahom54
        I like your constant promise: All this is good, but when will they put Serdyukov in prison?

        Or maybe zvereok - this is Serdyukov himself? And so he mocks us?
        1. pahom54
          pahom54 15 November 2013 13: 16
          +2
          for IRBIS
          I don’t think that this Taburetkin is fumbling under the beast, he has no time to sit in the forums - he needs to cut and hide the loot ......
          1. IRBIS
            IRBIS 15 November 2013 13: 42
            0
            Quote: pahom54
            I don’t think that this Taburetkin is fumbling under the beast, he has no time to sit in the forums - he needs to cut and hide the loot ......

            Then - this is Vasiliev. She has a lot of time, and the loot is deposited in the TFR.
    2. dmb
      dmb 15 November 2013 09: 32
      +7
      Imagine, this is exactly what happens. The business that evades taxes is precisely the one with the security forces that has to do with it. True, there is no benefit from this for the country's budget, because. basically we are talking only about the budget, specific officials. Tax and customs have long been included in the ranks of the security forces. The latter, being previously a purely particular department, now even have benefits, as in the army. They are also talking primarily about replenishing their personal budget. And it is absolutely ridiculous to remember the wisdom of "Natolich" in matters of alcohol. Being a little bit in the subject, I know why, or rather, for whom specifically Rosalkogolregulirovanie was created. Believe me, there is no smell of state interests, but another friend of the Ozero cooperative has been attached very well. And of course, Putin is not at all to blame for all this. He did not appoint any of the heads of the aforementioned departments, and when he gathered them in front of the television cameras, he always told them to fight corruption. At the same time, he even made sure that they wrote down his words.
    3. stroporez
      stroporez 15 November 2013 10: 52
      +3
      Quote: zvereok
      The statement was addressed to Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev,
      ---- I sometimes also, drunk talking to the TV ........ wassat
    4. sashka
      sashka 15 November 2013 12: 47
      +2
      Quote: zvereok
      PS: All this is good, but when will they put Serdyukov?

      http://1prime.ru/Politics/20131115/770588214.html
      Russian unsinkable aircraft carrier. No comments.
    5. Mature naturalist
      Mature naturalist 15 November 2013 22: 03
      0
      Quote: zvereok
      PS: All this is good, but when will they put Serdyukov?

      At the same time, he explained that the salaries in the center are now not very large, in particular, the salary of Anatoly Serdyukov is at the level of 70–80 thousand rubles a month.

      “I have not yet seen the approved staffing table, but the benchmark is 70–80 thousand. Our academician now receives 48 (thousand rubles), and mine (38 thousand rubles) as the chief engineer,” said Goncharenko.

      He stressed that the staff are very happy about the appointment of Serdyukov.

      - We didn’t even dream about such an appointment, because This is the third person in the Kremlin. We had a director at the tractor level, but to the government level! We are glad, of course, ”the chief engineer of the FIIC M noted.


      Read on: http://izvestia.ru/news/560753#ixzz2kjku57lI
  • Encoder
    Encoder 15 November 2013 08: 58
    +9
    Quote: erix-06
    Why is this article on a site called "Military Review"?

    Well, perhaps to the fact that the war is now being waged by economic methods, and nobody canceled "strangling the enemy in friendly embraces".
    And Putin can be exposed as much as you like, but I remember very well what happened in the 90s and I see what is now (and I do not live in Moscow) and the difference is huge, although oil has not been growing in price for a long time.
    1. nov_tech.vrn
      nov_tech.vrn 15 November 2013 09: 31
      +2
      I can compare both Moscow and non-Moscow, although, of course, I would like more efficient development and use of the allocated funds.
    2. samoletil18
      samoletil18 15 November 2013 10: 23
      0
      "strangling the enemy in a friendly embrace" has not been canceled.

      "Do you want to ruin a small state? Give him a cruiser." And in the 1990s we were not even given a torpedo boat. But the ruin is terrible.
  • dmitrich
    dmitrich 15 November 2013 09: 00
    14
    Nonsense of Serene Merina.
    1. andruha70
      andruha70 15 November 2013 12: 00
      +4
      Nonsense of Serene Merina.
      fully support! hi to the author: you’re the Zenok, turn on the brains. fool Where did the GDP come from? how did you come to power? that's right, he had "obligations" ... obligations - fulfilled - you won't find fault. now - YOUR "line" bends. tongue slowly (I understand, you want to - now and right away ... but he’s not du.rak ... after all - he’s not tired of living) but TRUE! believe me - it’s more visible from the outside that Russia is RISING! Or do you prefer - the next labeled, EBN or oval? fool
      1. alexng
        alexng 15 November 2013 12: 12
        +2
        Well, in the appendage about the roads.
        No one in the world has driven so much on fresh asphalt like Putin
      2. zart_arn
        zart_arn 15 November 2013 12: 13
        +1
        YOUR "line" bends. tongue

        Russia - RISING!

        Do you yourself believe in this, or is this work?
        1. andruha70
          andruha70 15 November 2013 17: 53
          -3
          Do you yourself believe in this, or is this work?
          I believe in what I see with my own eyes tongue (and there is something to compare) and about - work (I'm a production man wink ) I can read you a "lecture" on what is WORK!
      3. Yarosvet
        15 November 2013 14: 18
        +3
        Quote: andruha70
        you zenki-develop, brains - turn on

        Razul. Included. And I saw that 225-FZ both acted and is acting.
        1. andruha70
          andruha70 15 November 2013 18: 31
          -2
          Razul. Included. And I saw that 225-FZ both acted and is acting.
          Yarosvet, one half of the brain - I understand you hi , but ... the other half tells me - don't get hung up on trifles, look globally. After all, this is not from Russia, the people are going to work on the job, but on the contrary ... and not only from the “former”, but also from the “Young Europeans” and even from the “Almania”, some return (you must admit that it would be - not observed request ) and more: from 1924 to 1937 - not a year, two years have passed ... wink I understand that personalities are not comparable, eras are different, but ... it is too early to draw final conclusions. hi
          1. Yarosvet
            15 November 2013 20: 21
            +3
            Quote: andruha70
            do not get hung up on trifles

            Is forming public opinion through false information a trifle? Why lie if everything is not so bad?
            1. andruha70
              andruha70 15 November 2013 22: 51
              -1
              Is forming public opinion through false information a trifle? Why lie if everything is not so bad?
              you think from the point of view of an ordinary layman: white is white and black is black (I understand hi ) but politics is a delicate matter ... wink not every "cook" can run the state. again, the common man in the street, and this, by the way, is the majority (hello to democracy), do not care if the information is false or the politician is lying. it is important for him whether he has begun to live better or worse. Yes, you go out into the street and ask the first 10 people you come across - do you live better now than in the XNUMXs or worse? this is what it will be - a real reflection of things.
              1. Yarosvet
                15 November 2013 23: 00
                +1
                Quote: andruha70
                you think ... politics is a delicate matter ...
                In addition to these, there are many meaningless, but very common phrases

                it is important for him - he began to live better or worse
                Moreover, Fedorov does not make sense to lie, and you engage in verbiage, so I repeat 2 simple questions:

                1 Is the formation of public opinion through false information a trifle?

                2 Why lie if everything is not so bad?

                1. Botanologist
                  Botanologist 16 November 2013 23: 21
                  0
                  Quote: Yarosvet
                  Is the formation of public opinion through false information a trifle


                  Information cannot be false or true. Information can be pleasant or traumatic, or neutral. Usually comments and reasoning are false.
                  1. Yarosvet
                    17 November 2013 16: 04
                    +2
                    Quote: Botanologist
                    Information can be pleasant or traumatic, or neutral.

                    Well, how many people who found out that in 2004 no law was repealed, was it injured? wassat Mdya ...

                    In general, look in the dictionary - sometimes useful.
  • Koronik
    Koronik 15 November 2013 09: 06
    +9
    Author Yarosvet. There is no better "shadow on the fence" is more suitable for this hack.
    "GRAVE MERINA" With two hands for !!!
    1. alexng
      alexng 15 November 2013 11: 04
      -1
      It's very simple:
      Dr. Aibolit had a brother pathologist, Ayumer.
  • Asgard
    Asgard 15 November 2013 09: 19
    +4
    WELL THERE FOR SUCH MATERIALS AND PEOPLE AND ANIMALS ARE IDENTIFYING))))))))
    Yarosvet +, Wait, everything is set out correctly, with facts and the correct sequence ....

    There is such a company "Surgutneftegaz" according to some rumors, VVPutin uses income from this activity.(although the largest producer of national reserves)))

    Why am I ... understand now)))
    How is the price of oil formed, well stupid write-that it is formed by supply-demand, that is, the hand of the "MARKET" .... although there is a bad luck, oil supply has fallen, demand is falling (crisis)) but the price remains sky-high)))) Isn't it strange ..... ...
    Smarter people - they will nod to OPEC, they say they decide something at their meetings and reduce production when necessary)))) But what the heck Wait in the supply of 10% of the oil consumed by the largest consumer ....
    And for this purpose the Middle East is also being lit up to make an excuse for high oil prices ....

    Now how really-There are "Seven Sisters" LARGEST TNC British Petroleum, Exxon, Gulf Oil, Mobil, Royal Dutch Shell, Chevron and Texaco. It is They who form the price, they also arrange "performances around the world" when the national leader seems to be taking money from them for the people's wealth))))) Either Wars, as an information reason for raising prices ...
    A sucker is full, all the more when introduced EGE)))))))))))

    One "national leader" appointed Dudley, a foreign citizen, to represent the Russian Federation on the board of directors of the state company "ROSNEFT" .... Dudley is also a loyal British Petroleum citizen with 20% stake in the state companyTHAT IS HERE'S THE TRUE OWNER OF THE STATE CORPORATION AND THE SHELF SECTIONS ALLOCATED BY G-WOM WITHOUT COMPETITION))))

    Now for the money ---- Everyone knows about the Reserve-Welfare Fund (it is not clear who), this Law was signed by the "patriot" Nazi leader "the torch"
    ; moreover, countries in one of the articles of this law were listed in Latin, and not in Russian ....
    He signed a dumb translation from English - with a thought "about the future of Russia" and said - ... they say, WE DO NOT EARN THIS MONEYWhen oil prices began to rise...... and Kudrin recognized -"the best minister of all times and peoples" in the Forbes ,,,,,,,

    BTW, HOW IN FORBES Putin flaunts on the first page, they say the most important person)))))))

    These are the parallels in our .... really simple WORLD ....
    Everything is not so difficult, the "performances" are wretched, VVPutin will have to answer not to custom-made questions in TV broadcasts, but from an intelligent investigator ...
    And everything will float ....
    1. Warrawar
      Warrawar 15 November 2013 09: 54
      +5
      Quote: Asgard

      Now for the money ---- Everyone knows about the Reserve-Welfare Fund (it is not clear who)), this Law was signed by the "patriot" Nazi leader "a torch

      Asgard, stop sowing confusion! Everyone already knows that "the king is good, these are bad boyars."
    2. zvereok
      zvereok 15 November 2013 10: 08
      -14 qualifying.
      "When oil prices began to rise ... and Kudrin was recognized as" the best minister of all times and peoples "in the Forbes ,,,,,,,"

      If not for Kudrin, we would have defaulted and the second 90-s. And so we crawl into the ass gradually.

      PS: All this is good, but when will they put Serdyukov?
    3. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 15 November 2013 10: 11
      +9
      Quote: Asgard
      There is such a company "Surgutneftegaz", according to some rumors, VVPutin uses income from this activity. Little is written about it (although it is the largest producer of national reserves)))

      Asgard, a very simple question, but with what dough is the rearmament of the army being paid, salaries to state employees and so on, so on, so on ????
      Quote: Asgard
      BTW, HOW IN FORBES Putin flaunts on the first page, they say the most important person)))))))

      And without blah blah, there are account numbers, what and where and how much?
      1. Asgard
        Asgard 15 November 2013 11: 01
        +5
        Re-equipment comes from oil revenues ...
        The rest of the Economy is ruined ...
        We can't wait to build the "Mriya" Aircraft "White Swan" ...... made 60 years ago))))

        Although if normal, I would have abolished taxes on the salaries of People, Individuals, PE, small enterprises - up to 100 people working,
        On excess profits - up to 90% tax (progressive)) ....
        I would have had enough for social and defense -Money from the sale of resources ...
        As one citizen asks in his posts, he would put Serdyukov and + deputies, + ministers +++++ (although I look at the crosses look pretty)))))

        There are accounts, it’s even known through whom ...
        Romanitch, You are What you will do with them ... After all, they will catch and beat (it hurts)))
        And on forums such questions are not asked ..... Be more serious)))))))
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 15 November 2013 11: 44
          +7
          Quote: Asgard
          We can't wait to build the "Mriya" Aircraft "White Swan" ...... made 60 years ago)))

          Firstly, you don’t take into account that many component suppliers remained outside of Russia. And secondly, given that everything was destroyed in our country, it’s not so easy to restore in a few years.
          Quote: Asgard
          I would abolish taxes on the salaries of People, Individuals, PE, small enterprises -

          Find me an honest chshnik who honestly pay taxes.
          Quote: Asgard
          There are accounts, it’s even known through whom ...

          Vladimir, why not, if Forbes writes, then the information is publicly available, where and how much money, and if not, then it's just a chatter hi
          1. Asgard
            Asgard 15 November 2013 12: 09
            +3
            Oh Sasha ... Forbes does not write about the Rockefellers and the Rothschilds, and mongrel servants to them))))
            The media (and Forbes is the media)) writes on request and promotes the "destruction" of the foundations of the Human Society ....
            Those PE workers Taxes and did not pay that they understood that the income from the PEOPLE'S RICHES should be enough))))
            13 years old You say that Russia is getting up off his knees ....
            And we cut a timber industry enterprise for scrap, a brand new 50-ton gantry crane, filled up barbarously (and it was Putin who ordered it))))) I do not remember the number of the decree on streamlining the sale of roundwood)))
            The M10 Cola has been building the road for 18 years already, the first sections are already falling apart (Putin signed the abolition of technical regulations)))

            But seriously, he was ordered, he signs, and he draws such things (from the heart)))) it’s himself, he calculated (in earnest))) to enter the 300 committee


            here is his level))))))))
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 15 November 2013 12: 17
              +4
              Quote: Asgard
              But seriously, he was ordered, he signs, and he draws such things (from the heart)))) it’s himself, he calculated (in earnest))) to enter the 300 committee

              Where did you get all this. This is not a question; it is so, in no way shorter.
            2. kush62
              kush62 15 November 2013 17: 24
              +1
              And we cut the timber industry for scrap,

              And we have built a bypass road around Krasnoyarsk. They built an ice stadium, build the 4th bridge around the city, build hospitals and why the hell. True, they steal a lot. But they are building. therefore, everyone judges from his bell tower. At least in Krasnoyarsk, changes are visible. They are trying to build a manganese plant in order to protect the shitty ecology. But we are against and I think we will win.
          2. Ustas
            Ustas 15 November 2013 12: 15
            +5
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Find me an honest chshnik who honestly pay taxes.

            I !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 1
            1. andruha70
              andruha70 15 November 2013 18: 50
              +1
              I !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 1
              hi good drinks
        2. alexng
          alexng 15 November 2013 12: 36
          +8
          Quote: Asgard
          We can't wait to build the "Mriya" Aircraft "White Swan" ...... made 60 years ago))))


          It may be enough to speculate on the ignorance of others of this matter.
          The question of filling where the "Mriya" and "White Swan" were produced in the old years?
          Maybe there’s enough tricks to build and learn to look at things realistically. 90% of the entire industry (since the entire industry of the USSR was built in cooperation with other plants scattered throughout the Union) ended up abroad overnight. In general, I am silent about the military-industrial complex, then the 90s came to a complete collapse, and now about 400 1700 enterprises work in the defense industry complex. The new missing component manufacturers and much, much more, are reproduced.
          Stop throwing liquid substance on the fan.
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        4. Setrac
          Setrac 15 November 2013 15: 24
          -3
          Quote: Asgard
          We can't wait to build the "Mriya" Aircraft "White Swan" ...... made 60 years ago))))

          In fairness, I must say that the B-52 also made 60 years ago.
      2. Horst78
        Horst78 15 November 2013 12: 39
        +5
        And without blah blah, there are account numbers, what and where and how much?
        Here's where the accounts are and how much money is there. My friends also say to me "I am dissatisfied with Putin." I ask "What? What are the reasons", and they "Just dissatisfied" ie emotions, not logic. I personally am a man of facts, but simply "blah blah" is, in my opinion, not to respect a reasonable person.
        1. kris
          kris 15 November 2013 14: 14
          +6
          Quote: Horst78
          And without blah blah, there are account numbers, what and where and how much?
          Here's where the accounts are and how much money is there. My friends also say to me "I am dissatisfied with Putin." I ask "What? What are the reasons", and they "Just dissatisfied" ie emotions, not logic. I personally am a man of facts, but simply "blah blah" is, in my opinion, not to respect a reasonable person.

          Let me give you a few reasons why I am not happy with Putin:
          1: Total rampant corruption and an increase in the number of officials.
          2. Idiotic Education Reform.
          3. The growth in prices for housing and communal services during the reign of Putin is 15 times.
          4. Prices for gasoline.
          5.FZ "On Amendments to the Federal Law" On Technical Regulation ",
          canceled the Soviet GOSTs.
          This is for starters.
          And I also cannot forgive Putin for his behavior during the Kursk nuclear submarine accident. But this is personal.
          1. Horst78
            Horst78 15 November 2013 18: 04
            0
            This is another conversation, thanks hi
            PS Many Soviet GOSTs still operate in Russia and a number of CIS countries. Life is changing and any regulatory framework is changing with it. In Russia, its own GOST-R. Good or not, you need to consider in a particular case, but it pleases me that mine. Take Ukraine, they stupidly took over rewritten Western standards (maybe they just didn’t want to think).
            PPS To the account of the nuclear submarine "Kursk". There is still so much unreliable (and often speculative) information on it that only emotions remain sad
    4. T-130
      T-130 15 November 2013 10: 26
      0
      Yes, we don’t mind, let's change the president, but who will we put in? Navalny with Nemtsov and their union of writers? Or Zyuganov with his Duma oligarchs?
      1. aviamed90
        aviamed90 15 November 2013 10: 31
        +4
        T-130


        At January 1 of 2013, according to Rosstat, Russia had 143 347 059 permanent residents.

        According to the Goskomstat of Russia, the number of working-age population in the country by the end of September of this year amounted to 70,9 million people or about 50 percent of the total population.
        1. MstislavHrabr
          MstislavHrabr 15 November 2013 10: 57
          15
          In the 80 years on our collective farm there were many combines. And there are a lot of combine operators and helmsmen ... Now 2 gendaries and, accordingly, 2 people are enough for this whole area. Those. two can do the same work that 12-16 people did. The problem is not that we have a small working population, but that a person works for six and they pay him a maximum for two, the rest is pocketed by owners living in Moscow or in general abroad. The same is true in other areas ... We have nowhere to work and 30% of the district’s population is on a job, again in Moscow. So the point is not the size of the working population, but the reluctance to pay a decent salary to employees and share their income. It is much easier to come up with the myth that the country cannot feed itself ... That it is necessary to raise the retirement age, etc. Labor productivity must be raised! And not through job cuts, but through informatization, mechanization, the use of new materials, etc.
          1. Ustas
            Ustas 15 November 2013 12: 21
            +2
            Quote: MstislavHrabr
            The problem is not that we have a small working population, but that a person works for six and they pay him a maximum for two, the rest is pocketed by owners living in Moscow or in general abroad.

            Well, under capitalism, the law on surplus value has not been canceled.
            But this is not a bad thing. It is bad that there is no proletarian class left in Russia. Consequently, there is no such force that can put bloodsuckers in place of the bourgeoisie. Ugh! Not this way. In a modern way, "Effective Managers".
          2. aviamed90
            aviamed90 15 November 2013 12: 53
            +4
            MstislavHrabr

            I gave these figures, as some citizens doubt that in our country it is possible to find a worthy candidate for the presidency.

            The numbers indicate the opposite.

            Of 71 million people You can choose a decent one. You just have to choose honestly.

            "Article 81.

            1. The President of the Russian Federation is elected for a period of six years by citizens of the Russian Federation on the basis of universal equal and direct suffrage by secret ballot.

            2. The President of the Russian Federation may be a citizen of the Russian Federation not younger than 35 years old, permanently residing in the Russian Federation for at least 10 years. "(Constitution of the Russian Federation)
      2. Asgard
        Asgard 15 November 2013 11: 14
        +4
        Boldyrev, Demur, Kasatonov, Musin, and there are another 100 million candidates, will definitely be much better and more adequate)))) and better for the People ....

        Bubnezh and hto if not "he is a" moon-faced Siberian "this is for the uneducated citizens))
        Navalny is not in prison, Putin once said that he does not give up his "not 37 years old" ... These are "actors" for by-dla (the Polish word is cattle intended for slaughter))))

        And remember, when you press the pluses / minuses, responsibility also comes (joint))))
  • from punk
    from punk 15 November 2013 09: 20
    +9
    joke: the correspondent says, yesterday in North Africa there was a major flood. where is Putin?
    1. Warrawar
      Warrawar 15 November 2013 10: 08
      +6
      Quote: punk
      joke: the correspondent says, yesterday in North Africa there was a major flood. where is Putin?

      And here is a good joke too:
      The investigator of the prosecutor's office reports to the president:
      - Vasilyeva pointed at Serdyukov, Serdyukov at Chubais, Chubais at Surkov, Surkov at Medvedev, Medvedev at ...
      “Enough,” Vladimir Vladimirovich interrupts. - And so it is already obvious that no one is to blame for anything ...
  • kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 15 November 2013 09: 25
    +5
    And you asked the residents of Sakhalin what they think about this? And in general, what does Putin have to do with it, did he conclude these production-sharing agreements. You are the author of the sharpie, and cheaters in a decent society candelabra but on the head ...! In general, the orders of the owners need to be carried out more carefully!
    1. Yarosvet
      15 November 2013 14: 36
      +1
      Quote: kartalovkolya
      and cheaters in a decent society candelabra but on the head ...

      My dear, I also say that Putin was not leaning against him in this matter, neither in spirit nor in spirit.

      What exactly are you accusing me of? The fact that Fedorov and Karaulov openly lie, attributing to Putin non-existent merits and thereby forming public opinion with a lazy layman who does not check information, but I showed and proved that this is a lie?
      1. kartalovkolya
        kartalovkolya 15 November 2013 15: 49
        -2
        Yes, you do not make excuses, but delve deeper into the essence of the issue and understand whose mill you are pouring water into. And what does Putin's merits have to do with it, if there are specific participants in this outrage, can you recall the names of these "liberurodov"? must be tied to Putin, it is their question for them and "hang the dogs"!
        1. Yarosvet
          15 November 2013 19: 39
          +3
          Quote: kartalovkolya
          Yes you do not make excuses

          I’m not making excuses - I’m waiting for answers to questions, while you are trying to move out of the bazaar.
  • nov_tech.vrn
    nov_tech.vrn 15 November 2013 09: 28
    +4
    we look at the fact that there are laws, but they are furnished with bylaws and do not let frolic, as before, for example, it’s not forbidden by law for you to say loudly spoil the air in a public place, but you still refrain, because there are certain rules, true in this case unwritten.
  • bootlegger
    bootlegger 15 November 2013 09: 29
    +2
    So what was done to increase budget revenues?

    Nothing at all. It’s just that in the 2004 year, the price of oil, which grew quietly already from 99, went up sharply (and the production volumes, and hence sales, grow from the same 99).

    In grow what I want to ask? Is it really in dollars?
    And the author does not take into account that the dollar depreciated in gold by 2000 times in 2013-4,5?
    Other valuable raw materials rose copper, nickel, etc.
    If you take the trouble to recalculate the price of oil in gold, then it has changed little over the past 30-40 years.
    1. Setrac
      Setrac 15 November 2013 15: 45
      0
      Quote: bootlegger
      And the author does not take into account that the dollar depreciated in gold by 2000 times in 2013-4,5?
      Other valuable raw materials rose copper, nickel, etc.
      If you take the trouble to recalculate the price of oil in gold, then it has changed little over the past 30-40 years.

      A ray of light in the dark realm of propaganda and illiteracy.
  • Refueling Strategic Missile Tanker
    Refueling Strategic Missile Tanker 15 November 2013 09: 34
    +1
    WRITTEN WRITTEN, and reading is not interesting.

    And if we talk about the tales of the new Russia. That "cooler" my fairy tale is not and never will be.

    Here you can listen to that TALE - horrors for officials and academics, as well as for those who do not believe their eyes.

    This one is on the website of the TV-3 channel. Among the prize seekers. The film is called - "STRICTLY DOCUMENTARY UFOlogical FAIRY TALE"

    Here is the link http://tv3.ru/million-za-nlo-anketa.html
  • Rainman69
    Rainman69 15 November 2013 09: 38
    +5
    And there can be no talk of returning natural resources to the Russian jurisdiction, since five years before these amendments, the State Duma adopted N 19-ФЗ dated 07.01.1999/XNUMX/XNUMX, in which it was written in a separate line:

    << It is allowed to provide, on a production sharing basis, no more than 30 percent of the explored and recorded mineral reserves by the state balance sheet. >>

    If my memory serves me, Putin just came to 99g, and before that, how many percent were foreign companies allowed to scout, 100?)

    So what was done to increase budget revenues?

    Nothing at all. It’s just that in the 2004 year, the price of oil, which grew quietly already from 99, went up sharply (and the production volumes, and hence sales, grow from the same 99).

    But what about the increase in duties on oil exports? "On January 23, 1999, the Primakov government adopted a decree reintroducing the export duty on oil products. The duty linked the level of government fees on oil operations with changes in prices on world markets. From oil exports at a price of $ 9,5 to $ 12,5 per barrel a duty of 2,5 euros per ton was levied, in excess of 12,5 dollars - 5. This did not burden exporters too much, but immediately gave 14 billion rubles to the empty budget.In August 1999, Yeltsin appointed Putin as prime minister and the Putin government already in September increased duty up to 7,5 euros per ton, and from December 8 - up to 15 euros per ton. Later the duty only increased and now exporters deduct about half of the price of exported oil to the country's budget. "

    But what about Yukos 'RETRACTING' from Khodorkovsky and its joining to Rosneft (a state company)?
    1. Yarosvet
      15 November 2013 14: 48
      +1
      Quote: Rainman69
      If my memory serves me, Putin just came to 99g
      The draft law was introduced in 97th, signed by EBN in 99th.

      "On January 23, 1999 the government of E. Primakov adopted a resolution reintroducing the export duty on oil products
      What does Putin have to do with the Primakov government, and what does Primakov have to do with the "abolition" of the PSA?

      Putin’s government in September increased the fee to 7,5 euros per ton, and from December 8 to 15 euros per ton
      The government could introduce a bill that was supposed to be adopted by the State Duma and signed by the EBN - what does this have to do with PSAs and the 04th year?

      But what about Yukos 'RETRACTING' from Khodorkovsky and its joining to Rosneft (a state company)?
      What does this have to do with the designated period and topic?
  • Refueling Strategic Missile Tanker
    Refueling Strategic Missile Tanker 15 November 2013 09: 38
    -4
    Written clumsily - READ is not interesting.

    If we talk about the tales of New Russia, then my tale is cooler than the tales about Odyssey.

    here is the link http://tv3.ru/million-za-nlo-anketa.html

    The film is called "STRICTLY DOCUMENTAL UFOlogical TALE."
  • Unisonic
    Unisonic 15 November 2013 09: 40
    11
    1. Nobody forbade the possibility of concluding a production sharing agreement in Russia.
    2. The possibility of concluding a production sharing agreement in Russia has not been canceled. Federal Law No. 225-ФЗ dated December 30, 1995 “On Production Sharing Agreements” is valid to this day.
    3. In total, 3 (three) production sharing agreements were concluded with foreign oil field firms.
    4. All 3 (three) agreements were worked out and were concluded between 1988 and 1999.
    5. All 3 (three) are valid on November 15, 2013.
    _________
    It is another matter that under Vladimir Putin not a single new PSA was signed, and moreover, from one project, namely Sakhalin-2, there was a partial pushing out of foreign capital, and the Russian company, represented by Gazprom, bought out from foreign partners in the person of Shell, Mitsui and Mitsubishi part of the shares, and became the holder of a controlling stake in Sakhalin-2.

    Everything else that Fedorov or Karaulov carries there is all bullshit.

    Nothing at all. It’s just that in the 2004 year, the price of oil, which grew quietly already from 99, went up sharply (and the production volumes, and hence sales, grow from the same 99).

    The most important thing in the history of modern Russia has been done by the Primakov-Maslyukov government. As you know, in the mid-90s, impoverished Russia beg for loans from the IMF. The IMF agreed to provide loans if Russia makes an export duty on oil in the amount of $ 0.0 per tonne exported from Russia. An export duty is a customs duty levied on the export of goods and is used to replenish the state budget.
    So, from July 1, 1996, Russia completely abolished export duties on oil. The end to this enchanting idiocy was laid just by the government of Primakov-Maslyukov. And now, for example, the export duty per tonne of exported crude oil is more than $ 400.
  • Grbear
    Grbear 15 November 2013 09: 44
    +4
    And it is NOTHING that, according to the SPR (95), the state received its share after the investor "took away" all the costs? the rate of investment turnover is comparable to the rate of turnover of a grocery store (for which Khodorkovsky was attracted. As a result of investments, he pumped oil at domestic prices, poured it out at world prices, "added" the difference). For 2004 SMR - the procedure, test prices and terms have been established. At the very least, but put in order, although "swooped down".
  • from punk
    from punk 15 November 2013 09: 45
    0
    the price of oil, for all the difficulties of calculating, I understand more. I can say that it’s expensive or inexpensive. Oil needs to be extracted and refined. And now, comparison. In our country, a liter of gasoline costs as much as half a liter of water from a tap bottled and sold in store. and cheaper bottles of vodka from the lowest quality alcohol spilled in the basement.
  • T-130
    T-130 15 November 2013 10: 03
    +7
    Perhaps he didn’t cancel the agreement at these two fields, because the agreement was drawn up so that they will have to sue abroad, and there it is clear that Russia will lose anyway, but 251 deposits were at stake, on which similar agreements were being prepared, then Putin canceled them. In general, Yaroslav apparently didn’t write himself, otherwise he would have thought and understood from two or three wells with which it seemed like they had canceled the PSA, it’s simply impossible to get as much currency annually as Russia receives from oil annually, even if oil takes off up to $ 1000 per barrel. Russia certainly benefited from higher oil prices, but why are only the negative sides of this increase considered here? It’s better to sit on an oil needle and do something to correct the situation than to sit naked .... oh and without money and without industry! This is another tale of the new Russia! And illiterate compiled! The article is a fat minus!
    1. Yarosvet
      15 November 2013 14: 58
      +2
      Quote: T-130
      Putin then canceled them
      A link to the relevant document, please.
  • Nitarius
    Nitarius 15 November 2013 10: 10
    +3
    Quote: baltika-18
    Putin is not d.u.rak, he never that nonsense that is carried by his PR specialists, such personalities as Fedorov will not speak. This is an exposure of the not very smart activities of the participants in the project "Fedorov against the occupation". Yarosvet plus.

    Dear you, to be such a Fool like him!
    Stalin was the same!
    And Stalin had a library of 30 thousand books - and he read them all!
    it’s you, dear, if you really don’t know how politics is CREATED backstage!
    If not for PUTIN --- right now there would have been neither you nor your CHILDREN! I speak as I KNOW WHAT! and how many guys from special intelligence have already died for us!
    1. sergey261180
      sergey261180 15 November 2013 10: 27
      +1
      And Stalin had a library of 30 thousand books - and he read them all!
      Suppose Stalin read one book a day. A total of 365 books per year (he was so smart that he read from the cradle laughing ) We take 30000 books, divide by 365, we get 82,19178 years. Stalin lived for 74 years from 1879 to 1953.
      how many guys from special intelligence have already died for us!

      Well here I just fell out of the chair. Think what you write shkolota! March to learn math!
      1. Setrac
        Setrac 15 November 2013 15: 52
        0
        Quote: sergey261180
        Suppose Stalin read one book a day. A total of 365 books a year (he was so smart that he read from the cradle). We take 30000 books, divide by 365, we get 82,19178 years. Stalin lived for 74 years from 1879 to 1953.

        From cover to cover, only fiction is read. Reference or technical literature is read in the place where the necessary information is located.
        Quote: sergey261180
        Well here I just fell out of the chair. Think what you write shkolota! March to learn math!

        March to learn sophistry and logic. Abetura 2013.
        P.S. At home, he could not keep such a library, but apparently the library was not his personal one.
        1. sergey261180
          sergey261180 15 November 2013 18: 41
          +1
          P.S. At home, he could not keep such a library, but apparently the library was not his personal one.

          Wikipedia:
          "In 1925, Stalin creates his personal working library. In May 1925, he instructed his assistant and secretary I.P. Tovstuha to tackle this issue and establish the position of librarian in the staff of the Secretary General of the Central Committee of the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks. Stalin wrote in writing a list of books that he would like to see in his library. A photocopy of this large note was published in the journal New and Recent History by historian B. S. Ilizarov.
          The library included all Russian and Soviet encyclopedias, it also had a large number of dictionaries and various reference books. According to some sources, in total Stalin had almost forty thousand volumes in his library, of which ten were at Blizhnyaya dacha. "
          Fight from the keyboard of a cat! laughing
          1. Setrac
            Setrac 15 November 2013 19: 27
            0
            Quote: sergey261180
            Fight from the keyboard of a cat!

            Heh, I missed the phrase
            Quote: Nitarius
            And Stalin had a library of 30 thousand books - and he read them all!

            Hence the misunderstanding. Of course, Stalin did not read everything. I would like to see a person reading a guide from cover to cover!
            1. sergey261180
              sergey261180 17 November 2013 06: 28
              0
              I would like to see a person reading a guide from cover to cover!
              This is Anatoly Wasserman.
  • Sergey Medvedev
    Sergey Medvedev 15 November 2013 10: 12
    0
    The oil theme is generally very broad. I immediately recall that our gasoline is more expensive than in the United States. And this is not only the price of the tank in our cars, but also overpriced expenses in the economy. Putinoids, of course, will say that GDP has nothing to do with it. And if he is not around with business, why is he needed?
    1. Associate Professor
      Associate Professor 15 November 2013 10: 54
      0
      Quote: Sergey Medvedev
      The oil theme is generally very broad. I immediately recall that our gasoline is more expensive than in the United States. And this is not only the price of the tank in our cars, but also overpriced expenses in the economy. Putinoids, of course, will say that GDP has nothing to do with it. And if he is not around with business, why is he needed?

      Do you know that the price there is cheaper, because there are no state duties for fuel producers. Never thought that the world's oil is sold for dollars. And who prints dollars? That and that.
    2. Asgard
      Asgard 15 November 2013 11: 37
      -4
      Gasoline is more expensive in comparative figures at 2 or even three times .... duties here do not play anything at all ...
      Only industrial areas with screwdriver assembly, offices and shopping centers are being built ...
      Mega projects Bridge to Russky Island, where 200 cars a day drive - 1.1 billion dollars ...
      Millau Viaduct in France - Higher, longer, more than 400 million euros ...
      Olympics in the tropics-Putin promised the Masonic Olympic Committee to invest 12 billion dollars. lost 50 and not all objects are delivered yet))))
      Beijing cost $ 6 billion for the "Olympic Toy")))
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 15 November 2013 11: 38
        +5
        Quote: Asgard
        Mega projects A bridge to Russky Island, where 200 cars a day drive - 1.1 billion dollars ..

        Asgard, please do not write lies.
      2. Associate Professor
        Associate Professor 15 November 2013 11: 52
        +2
        Quote: Asgard
        Gasoline is more expensive in comparative figures at 2 or even three times .... duties here do not play anything at all ...

        Fees here play absolutely everything. The United States receives oil for free. They do not need duties.
        And here industrial zones with bridges?
        1. kris
          kris 15 November 2013 14: 01
          +4
          Quote: Docent
          The United States receives oil for free.

          But you can learn more about this. preferably with facts.
      3. Z.A.M.
        Z.A.M. 15 November 2013 13: 37
        +7
        Quote: Asgard
        Olympics in the tropics-Putin promised the Masonic Olympic Committee to invest 12 billion dollars. lost 50 and not all objects are delivered yet))))
        Beijing cost $ 6 billion for the "Olympic Toy")))


        Vladimir, welcome.

        And here is how in Germany the issues are resolved - "According to the German media, politicians and functionaries are looking for reasons for the failure of the referendum on the holding of the Olympic Games in Munich in 2022.
        The German newspaper Tageszeitung writes that the authorities blamed Russia for failure, or rather the Sochi 2014 Olympics.
        Recall that a referendum was held in Germany last Sunday, according to which the residents of Munich, Traunstein, Berchtesgaden and Garmisch-Partenkirchen opposed the holding of the 2022 Winter Olympics here.
        According to the German Ski Association DSV, the reason for the failure of the referendum was the fear of the population. According to the vice-president of DSV Peter Schlickenrieder, the Germans are simply afraid of changes, they are afraid of innovations, big fears are caused by "environmental interference".
        It is no secret that the Sochi residents had to face many problems during the preparations for the 2014 Winter Olympic Games in Sochi.
        Source: novoston.ru "

        Now the IOC has hope for Norway. BUT...

        But earlier, as I recall, a referendum was also held in Norway. To conduct the Olympics 2018. WINTER !!! People (people !!!) decided - no ... 4,9 billion. Too much ...
        Something like this ...

        REFERENDUM ... What a distant, mysterious word ... wink
  • lex fim
    lex fim 15 November 2013 10: 16
    +5
    Dogs bark caravan (Putin) is walking.
    1. Associate Professor
      Associate Professor 15 November 2013 10: 49
      +1
      Quote: lex-fim
      Dogs bark caravan (Putin) is walking.

      "Yarosvety" tyafkayut - the caravan goes
    2. krasavchik
      krasavchik 15 November 2013 13: 53
      +3
      kanesha is coming, only with a confused country the country is falling into the abyss, the economy is flying down, even the Ministry of Economic Development makes depressing forecasts
      1. bolonenkov
        bolonenkov 15 November 2013 19: 48
        -4
        Quote: krasavchik
        only with a confused country the country falls into the abyss, the economy flies down

        And all the graphs are creeping up .... Can you tell me what is falling?
    3. Karabin
      Karabin 15 November 2013 14: 00
      +4
      Quote: lex-fim
      caravan (Putin)

      Ivan Fedorovich Kruzenshtern - Man and Steamboat
      Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin - Man and the Caravan
  • major071
    major071 15 November 2013 10: 18
    +7
    Nonsense is complete. To the author minus. soldier
  • PPP
    PPP 15 November 2013 10: 25
    -1
    Article of the next paid goblin by the State Department.
  • PPP
    PPP 15 November 2013 10: 37
    +3
    This is my first time on the site, and as they say with a fresh look I can draw conclusions. I looked through all the comments of Yarosvet, this is clearly a man involved in Putin’s descent.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 15 November 2013 10: 47
      +7
      Quote: PPP
      . I looked through all the comments of Yarosvet, this is clearly a man involved in Putin’s descent.

      I also read them, then I'm tired of reading this nonsense.
      1. PPP
        PPP 15 November 2013 10: 52
        -1
        Alexander Romanov (1) Today, 10: 47 ↑ New
        Quote: PPP
        . I looked through all the comments of Yarosvet, this is clearly a man involved in Putin’s descent.
        I also read them, then I'm tired of reading this nonsense

        To paraphrase the Goebelsian postulate, Yarosvet is guided by the principle, the more monstrous the nonsense, the more likely it may seem.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 15 November 2013 11: 39
          +3
          Quote: PPP
          the more monstrous the delirium, the more likely it may seem.

          Most will not understand what and how, on that and emphasis hi
    2. Associate Professor
      Associate Professor 15 November 2013 10: 48
      -1
      Quote: PPP
      This is my first time on the site, and as they say with a fresh look I can draw conclusions. I looked through all the comments of Yarosvet, this is clearly a man involved in Putin’s descent.

      There is such a thing.
  • tverskoi77
    tverskoi77 15 November 2013 10: 58
    -1
    This is not the first article where they dig under GDP. Is it that the beginning of the confrontation with the MDA or with someone else? Or an analysis of opinions?
  • Encoder
    Encoder 15 November 2013 11: 15
    -2
    Quote: Asgard
    There is such a company "Surgutneftegaz", according to some rumors, VVPutin uses income from this activity. Little is written about it (although the largest producer of national reserves))) ...

    Yes, I know all this (not what Putin uses, but these rumors and much more). Do you think in other countries differently then? If so then you are naive.
    Or do you think that the ruler should live in a dugout or under a fence (this would be humiliation to us). I’m talking about true rulers, and not about the cardboard fool that the Americans or Germans show us (their rulers not only have their corporations, but ours too, and Putin is far from them)
    1. Asgard
      Asgard 15 November 2013 12: 30
      -2
      Recall Stalin, Ataturk, Yes, the same Franco
      People in less time raised their countries, demographics, economies ... left the plow .....
      With Vovik we are approaching Sokha (or rather fall))
      And Vovik does not love and is afraid of his people))))
      1. sashka
        sashka 15 November 2013 13: 36
        +1
        Quote: Asgard
        With Vovik we are approaching Sokha (or rather fall))

        We are not falling. Fear God .. We are at the bottom and the Americans gave out shovels to dig further and deeper .. Cool situation. Well, after all, we are "partners". Idiocy and rushing ..
    2. Yarosvet
      15 November 2013 15: 04
      +2
      Quote: Coder
      Do you think that the ruler should live in a dugout or under a fence
  • bubla5
    bubla5 15 November 2013 11: 40
    0
    Bullshit, the way oil companies want it to work, and Putin is just a stave
  • Ustas
    Ustas 15 November 2013 11: 57
    +4
    Tales of new Russia: a tale about how the good king of the PSA abolished and oil revenues returned to the state’s budget

    Another tale of Yarosvet. And in the spirit of liberal propaganda.
    1. Yarosvet
      15 November 2013 15: 11
      -3
      Quote: Ustas
      And in the spirit of liberal propaganda.

      Could you please elaborate on what propaganda is all the more liberal in? That lies the lies of the most patriotic member of the most patriotic party, from which the most patriotic politician runs for president in the most transparent elections?
      1. bolonenkov
        bolonenkov 15 November 2013 19: 45
        -3
        They already wrote to you above that you yourself are confused in your testimonies, then you run away from investors, although they seemed to write a contract for them and even made amendments to their benefit, but they still ran away, it suddenly turns out that nothing has been done, so why ran away then?

        And the oil and gas revenues provided to you.
        And you haven’t answered anything worthwhile.
        1. Yarosvet
          15 November 2013 20: 29
          +2
          Quote: bolonenkov
          then your investors run away, although they seemed to write a contract for them and even made amendments in their favor
          Pash, it’s in your head that the cockroaches scatter: they agreed on 30%, and the Federation Council in this case worked for foreign capital (Fedorov himself claims that PSA is bad, although in my opinion the question is about the size of the shares and the possibility of developing the bowels independently)

          it suddenly turns out that nothing has been done, so why did you run away?
          Read the article - it is written in black in Russian that Putin did not do anything with respect to the PSA (specifically with respect to the PSA), neither canceled it, nor returned it to Russian jurisdiction (the subsoil is already in the jurisdiction of the Russian Federation).
          1. bolonenkov
            bolonenkov 15 November 2013 21: 23
            -5
            Quote: Yarosvet
            Read the article - it is written in black in Russian that Putin did not do anything with respect to the PSA (specifically with respect to the PSA), neither canceled it, nor returned it to Russian jurisdiction (the subsoil is already in the jurisdiction of the Russian Federation).

            Your article is not a fact to rely on, especially in your last paragraph.

            PSA agreements were revised, which affected the budget revenues and control of the fields by Rosneft and Gazprom, which was unthinkable at 95m
            1. Yarosvet
              15 November 2013 22: 17
              +3
              Quote: bolonenkov
              article is not a fact
              An article is not a fact, but the laws mentioned in it are a fact.
  • Rossamaha
    Rossamaha 15 November 2013 12: 03
    -1
    Article nonsense, author stop using drugs, it is harmful to health good
  • arnulla
    arnulla 15 November 2013 12: 10
    +3
    Another white tape vyser
  • Unisonic
    Unisonic 15 November 2013 12: 42
    +1
    Quote: zvereok

    PS: All this is good, but when they put Serdyukov?

    He was imprisoned on November 1. Planted in the chair of the head federal research test engineering center (FIITsM)
    Read more: http://top.rbc.ru/politics/15/11/2013/888948.shtml

    Oh Mother Russia! fellow
  • WIN969
    WIN969 15 November 2013 12: 45
    0
    I read the article, but it turned out to be nothing, sorry for the time lost. negative
  • Normal
    Normal 15 November 2013 12: 53
    -1
    As the discussion of the article shows, a myth that allows us to remain in ignorance, allows us to count; everything that the leadership does is right, much sweeter than the harsh truth that breaks this myth.
    The article is not about Putin, not about oil and duties, not about the Federal Law and PSA, although all this is there. An article about the myth that is the cornerstone of the pro-government pro-Putin rhetoric. In any discussion of the topic of power, opposition, domestic politics, you can always and repeatedly come across this "deadly argument" of the pro-government; Putin canceled the PSA and thanks to this ...
    The author proves with the indication of specific documents that this is not so. It wasn’t that. Breaks the myth.
    It does not say goodbye.
    There is no evidence of copyright wrong, almost no arguments, but a lot of accusations and statements in style; "rave".
    It’s hard to part with a sweet fairy tale, but there’s nothing to do, you’ll have to grow up regardless of whether you want it or not.

    Yarosvet is a plus. We are waiting for the continuation of the "fairy tales" about the "American" constitution of the Russian Federation and the "occupation"
    1. Free Island
      Free Island 15 November 2013 13: 27
      +2
      I personally know how it was. At the direction of Putin, all left-wing companies that stupidly wasted oil on Sakhalin were deprived of their licenses on the basis of a lot of environmental violations, because it was simply impossible to take these things from the Americans and the Jews openly. Thanks to Putin and his actions, housing, schools, kindergartens are now being built on Sakhalin, and the budget of the Sakhalin region for 2014, for example, is the largest among all subjects of the Russian Federation, so you can push all your rotten lies about Putin to your brothers crawling on Bolotnaya , but I, the Sakhalin resident, cannot be kicked in my ears. Apartments that in my city before Putin stupidly threw and left now are almost like in Moscow, and housing prices reflect the standard of living, you are unlikely to argue with that either.
      1. Normal
        Normal 15 November 2013 22: 00
        +4
        Quote: Free Island
        The apartments that in my city before Putin stupidly threw and left now are almost like in Moscow,

        Specific numbers, please. Just wondering.
        Quote: Free Island
        , and housing prices reflect the standard of living, with this you are unlikely to argue.

        Well, why? I bet. Housing prices do not reflect the standard of living (at least where I live), but the purchasing power of a small number of people whose incomes do not correspond to any reasonable estimates of their contribution to the prosperity of society, but rather show the extent of theft in all its manifestations.
    2. Karabin
      Karabin 15 November 2013 13: 55
      +1
      Quote: Normal
      An article about the myth that is the cornerstone of pro-pro-Putin pro-rhetorical rhetoric.

      I completely agree with you. It's hard to part with myths. "Fedorovschina" rules, although there is a systemic crisis in key areas, be it the modernization of industry, science and education, the migration issue or the law enforcement sphere. Those who sculpt labels on the author, such as an agent of the State Department, liberal, belolentochny, etc., on other branches of the forum acknowledge the presence of systemic problems. But to admit that the problems have blossomed thanks to Putin's course, either the mind or the courage is lacking. After all, you will then have to admit your responsibility for the "approvals". So who, then, is the white tape liberal agent of the State Department? The one who reasonably points to myth-making, or the one who is ready to continue to believe in fairy tales, considering that the president is on one side of the barricades, and those who do his will on the other?
    3. Ascetic
      Ascetic 15 November 2013 14: 14
      +3
      Quote: Normal
      Yarosvet is a plus. We are waiting for the continuation of the "fairy tales" about the "American" constitution of the Russian Federation and the "occupation"


      Although we laugh at the frank ignorance involved in the method of substitution of concepts.
      "Production Sharing Agreement (PSA) (English Production Sharing Agreement) - a special type of agreement on the organization of a joint venture. Usually Production Sharing Agreement it is an agreement concluded between a foreign oil company (contractor) and a state enterprise (state party) authorizing the contractor to conduct oil exploration and exploitation and operation within a certain area (contract territory) in accordance with the terms of the agreement. The powers of the state party are based either on the possession of an exclusive license granted in accordance with the provisions of the applicable law governing oil operations, in which case the scope of the agreement coincides with the scope of the license, or on a general exclusive permission (and obligation) to conduct oil operations throughout the country. without specific obligations. "
      -From Pedevikia

      There is such an agreement signed by Russia as - No. 225-ФЗ dated December 30, 1995 “On Production Sharing Agreements”.
      And what did this mean for Russia ?? And here's what - the first part is intended for the State and is considered payment for the use of mineral resources. If the contract provides for a share of oil royalty for the use of subsoil, then an acceptable percentage varies between 10 and 15 percent - usually depending on the daily level of oil production, that is, from one dollar that we "received" from our extracted oil we received only 10 -15 cents and the rest went to the contractor. And who were our contractors ??
      ExxonMobil - an American company is not strange ...
      The second part, or the so-called "cost oil", is intended for the contractor in order to reimburse the costs incurred, that is, they take all the money they invested in us not in money, but in oil equivalent, and strangely enough, the costs grew every year. ...
      Initially, when signing the PSA agreement, a conciliation commission was created, which in particular included Boldyrev and Glazyev, who outweighed the original predatory text of the agreement with numerous amendments back in 1995. And in 2003 Putin amended double auctions sifting foreign applicants through a competition with Russian companies for the development of promising deposits . What finally finished off the foreign gesheft. Since 2004 the Stabilization Fund began, where this gesheft began to leave instead of foreign pockets.
      No one canceled the law on PSAs, but under Putin, amendments were made to it, essentially blocking this law.
      In fact, there were only three projects that had entered before this law on the PSA terms: Sakhalin-1, Sakhalin-2, and the development of the Kharyaga field.
      And then thanks to the paragraph of the law in
      "that agreements entered into prior to the entry into force of this law shall be enforceable in accordance with the conditions specified therein"


      And where are the new agreements on PSAs? Other than these three? After all, the law has not been canceled.
      1. Associate Professor
        Associate Professor 15 November 2013 17: 19
        -2
        Quote: Ascetic
        And where are the new agreements on PSAs? Other than these three? After all, the law has not been canceled.

        Yarosvet is unlikely to find an answer to this. The article is written for those who are not at all in the subject, and believes everything they write.
    4. bolonenkov
      bolonenkov 15 November 2013 19: 42
      -2
      Quote: Normal
      There is no evidence of copyright wrong, almost no arguments, but a lot of accusations and statements in style; "rave".

      Read my comment above, Yarosvet didn’t answer anything to him, because he has speculations, and for people who have a little understanding of what’s the matter and are able to use the calculator, this article just calls this word - Nonsense!
      1. Normal
        Normal 15 November 2013 22: 17
        +3
        Quote: bolonenkov
        Read my comment above

        Similarly.
        Quote: bolonenkov
        but for people who have a little understanding of what’s the matter and know how to use a calculator, this article evokes the very same word - Nonsense!

        Bullshit, it's more likely with you. All your calculations are past the cash register.
        The point is that the elite, and specifically Putin, use the proceeds from the sale of natural resources belonging to the entire population of Russia exclusively at their own discretion. I don’t want to be unfounded, but it’s lazy to look for confirmation, but as I “somewhere” heard part of the Russian budget is classified. And the authorities dispose of the non-classified part in such a way that there is no way NOT to steal. So I personally don't give a damn about how much revenue from oil and gas increased during the reign of the GDP if I pay for housing and communal services, medical care, children's education, and so on. At the same time, I do not have the opportunity to return to production, since it simply does not exist where I live.
        You will be able to use the calculator, not when you consider the abstract figures of achievements, growth in mineral extraction and revenue, and personal income and expenses ... there is not a loved one, but a family with 2-4 children and elderly parents.
  • stas52
    stas52 15 November 2013 12: 58
    0
    Here is another story about the fight against corruption. First, the link http://www.bfm.ru/news/199476?doctype=news, and just confirmed in the news (about Serdyukov. Appointed adviser to the head of the state corporation "Russian Technologies" Sergei Chemezov)
    1. Ascetic
      Ascetic 15 November 2013 13: 59
      +2
      Quote: stas52
      Here is another story about the fight against corruption.


      Indeed a fairy tale. FIITsM is located somewhere south of the city of Chekhov in the NATI area, and so that Serdyukov from such heights was appointed to a godforsaken object? I will never believe it, especially since the FSO is still working with him. Another duck from Kommersant that has already surfaced last year. Or is it an honorary link, as was customary in Soviet times for category "A" nomenklatura thieves
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  • sashka
    sashka 15 November 2013 13: 06
    -4
    Quote: stas52
    Appointed Advisor to the Head of the State Corporation Russian Technologies

    Well, go to the store and dance a jig or sirtaki? Everything fell into place, and the face is shown. Putinoids Hello ..)))
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  • Free Island
    Free Island 15 November 2013 13: 21
    +3
    Yarosvet is a rotten provocateur and it is unclear why the pusher. As a resident of Sakhalin, I know exactly what was happening on the island when the oil was taken away by Khodorkovsky and British Petroleum, and what happened to the island when Putin dispersed all this shoblu. So I would cover my not bright mouth Yarosvet. I have such a great desire to beat the gentlemen in the face, but these trolls are unavailable unfortunately
    1. MIKHAN
      MIKHAN 15 November 2013 13: 39
      -1
      Let him write .. you need to calmly relate to such and carefully read and shake on the mustache (somewhere to cheer)))) bully
    2. krasavchik
      krasavchik 15 November 2013 13: 50
      0
      Of course, of course, there are agents of the State Department and swamp white coasters everywhere
      1. Setrac
        Setrac 15 November 2013 16: 03
        0
        Quote: krasavchik
        Of course, of course, there are agents of the State Department and swamp white coasters everywhere
        Tambov wolf you brother.
  • rem
    rem 15 November 2013 13: 35
    -2
    Again this provocateur "Yarosvet", then hangs noodles about the National Bank, now he took up the PSA (in my opinion, he does not understand at all what an PSA is) and in general:
    1. On this site, people talk about weapons.
    2. If you want to debate on such topics, go to your ASH with your articles, or either, or politicus (I can imagine how they’ll take him in the muzzle on the table), otherwise I found a place for PR, people discuss weapons, and he tells them the National Bank, PSA.
  • dengy12
    dengy12 15 November 2013 13: 38
    0
    Quote: zvereok
    PS: All this is good, but when will they put Serdyukov?

    As it became known to Kommersant, the former Minister of Defense Anatoly Serdyukov, who is a witness in the criminal case of Oboronservis, got a job at Rostec. He was appointed Director General of the Federal Research Testing Center for Mechanical Engineering (JSC FIITS M), which is part of one of the structures of the state corporation.
    source http://www.kommersant.ru/doc/2343913
    1. WIN969
      WIN969 15 November 2013 13: 45
      +1
      And to hell with him, because he didn’t run abroad, so it’s not so bad.
  • krasavchik
    krasavchik 15 November 2013 13: 49
    -2
    what a contrast however
    Former Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation Anatoly Serdyukov got a job at the state corporation "Russian Technologies". He was appointed General Director of the Federal Research and Testing Center for Mechanical Engineering.

    As the lawyer of the ex-minister Konstantin Rivkin told RAPSI, from November 1 Serdyukov "became the general director." Apparently, he "has already taken up his duties," added Rivkin.

    Let us remind you that Anatoly Serdyukov is a witness in the criminal case of Oboronservis. The Main Military Investigation Directorate of the Investigative Committee believes that former officials of the Ministry of Defense and associated merchants committed fraudulent actions in the sale of non-core facilities of the Ministry of Defense, causing damage totaling more than 3 billion rubles. Now the defendants in this case are getting acquainted with its materials. On the eve it became known that Serdyukov had "dropped out" from the criminal case on embezzlement of budgetary funds through Slavyanka, although initially the RF IC studied his role in fraud. In the final wording of the accusation, the ex-general director of OJSC Alexander Elkin was recognized as the leader of the criminal group. The most senior official who remained in business is the head of the economic department of the Moscow region Nikolai Ryabykh.
  • Stalin
    Stalin 15 November 2013 13: 52
    +2
    Yarosvet is an ordinary foreign agent and a traitor to Russia. I would not be surprised if I find out that in the election he voted for Navalny. There are hundreds of thousands of such traitors in Russia. , the author is trying to denigrate Fedorov, but to Fedorov he is like to China in a wheelchair. And not because Yarosvet is Yarosvet, and Fedorov is Fedorov, but because Fedorov has everything reasoned and with proofs that everyone (if he does not have one dried-up crinkle) can check by checking the text of the Constitution, Central Bank Regulation with the words of Fedorov.
    1. krasavchik
      krasavchik 15 November 2013 13: 59
      0
      Fedorov in the 90s worked in a team of Chubais and Gaidar, and now he poses as a patriot
      1. Associate Professor
        Associate Professor 15 November 2013 14: 07
        -2
        Fedorov in the 90s worked in a team of Chubais and Gaidar, and now he poses as a patriot


        Blah blah blah. Fedorov worked with that, Fedorov worked with this. And besides the words of this Khazin, is there any serious evidence? Anyway, it does not matter with whom Fedorov worked there, if what he says is generally true.
  • pl675
    pl675 15 November 2013 13: 53
    -2
    opinions were divided as usual, which is natural.
    But what about Putin? but nothing. now nothing at all.
    until the 4th-5th year he was good, but all was blown away.
    for 13 years / if desired / much more is done.
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  • Stalin
    Stalin 15 November 2013 13: 58
    +4
    Yes, you have already pulled up with this Serdyukov. If he still does not sit, then there is no such opportunity yet. Or do you, like little children, think that Putin is the king and god in Russia. Today I woke up in the morning, what took it into his head, did that? In opposition to Putin there is a powerful oligarchy that can crush anyone like a bug. Therefore, Putin is pursuing a post-foam offensive policy. How many years did Stalin spend on the destruction of Trotskyism and the purge.? Foreign agents, whisper to me the correct answer. And this is taking into account how tough a politician Stalin was. Putin is moving in the right direction, and only the blind, or, sorry, complete, does not see this. Well, foreign agents and traitors to Russia also "do not see" this.
    1. krasavchik
      krasavchik 15 November 2013 14: 56
      +3
      did the State Department agents at one time force Puten to appoint Serdyukov as Minister of Defense and then 5 years in a row to observe the collapse of the army?)
      1. bolonenkov
        bolonenkov 15 November 2013 18: 31
        -3
        Quote: krasavchik
        did the State Department agents at one time force Puten to appoint Serdyukov as Minister of Defense and then 5 years in a row to observe the collapse of the army?)


        Serdyukov simply infuriated me in that position, he made a lot of mistakes and made a number of wrong decisions, especially with regard to the GRU special forces and the Airborne Forces, but screaming that the army was ruined under him was heresy.

        It is easy to realize this by looking at how the salaries of the officers have increased, and what re-equipment counter-attacks have been signed and are being implemented to this day.

        But I still want Taburetkin to sit down, and I’m very upset by his current appointment, although this is an enterprise in the village with a staff of 100 people, and not an industry. But in order to prove that the bulk stole 16 lyamas it took 15 volumes, and then many have doubts, but here are the lardas that stolen far from stupid blondes
        1. Karabin
          Karabin 15 November 2013 19: 09
          +5
          Quote: bolonenkov
          he made a lot of mistakes

          In a self-respecting state, for such "mistakes" they smear the forehead with brilliant green, and not endow them with posts.
          1. bolonenkov
            bolonenkov 15 November 2013 21: 24
            -4
            Quote: Karabin
            In a self-respecting state, they smear their foreheads with brilliant green for such "mistakes", not endow them with posts

            Can you give an example, who smeared?
  • Encoder
    Encoder 15 November 2013 14: 30
    -3
    Quote: Asgard
    Recall Stalin, Ataturk, Yes, the same Franco
    People in less time raised their countries, demographics, economies ... left the plow ....

    And remember whose money they did it (except for Stalin, there’ll be more dates there, and he didn’t finish it to the end).
    And in general, Asgard, remove the mask - change the login. You have nothing to do with ancient Russian history, and modern Russian nationalists as well. You are not against the government - you are against Russia.
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 15 November 2013 14: 36
      +4
      Quote: Coder
      And remember whose money they did it

      You are right with Franco, but you should not have put Stalin and Ataturk in this row, they did not take money from the side. And as for Asgard, it’s kind of a transition to personality, it’s kind of low, please, mind the topic. hi
      1. dmitrich
        dmitrich 16 November 2013 05: 38
        +1
        where are you in a guy in which country?
    2. Asgard
      Asgard 15 November 2013 16: 43
      +2
      I'm on my own side ,,,,,
      Education, knowledge, opportunities. It allows me, there is a desire, get close, there are arguments, I will even accept logical constructions))) write ...
      I’m a Man, I don’t enter into alliances, what I think is right (actually true)) I write, trying to teach, tell, GIVE FISHING ROD IN HANDS)))))
      Asgard - this is a word that carries its energy and makes the owner comply with this ....
      You saw that I advised someone to change something))) NO,
      Once upon a time, you will all become "Asgardians" - the first among equals ....
      and you won’t write such posts ....
      I will continue))))))))))
      1. Setrac
        Setrac 15 November 2013 16: 53
        -5
        Quote: Asgard
        Asgard is a word that carries its energy and makes the owner comply with this ....

        The name does not match the content. Don't you know the word "modesty"?