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I apologize for some confusion, but I will try to speak.


Often, reading various military and near-military literature, we are confronted with different terms. Some of them are composite and composite materials. Many, including myself, have difficulty understanding the text. Often it is necessary to re-read to understand what is at stake.

Even Wikipedia gives an ambiguous definition: Composite reinforcement (English fiber-reinforced plastic rebar, FRP rebar) - non-metallic rods of glass, basalt, carbon or aramid fibers. But at the same time Composite material (composite, KM) is an artificially created heterogeneous solid material consisting of two or more components with a clear interface between them, for example, plywood, reinforced concrete.

I suggest that you begin to adhere to some rules, at least within this site, and adopt the following terminology:
Composite materials are composed of inorganic components, for example, cermet;
Composite materials are carbon plastics, polymers.

So, it will immediately be clear that composite armor is steel sheets with ceramic or Kevlar layers. A composite - carbon fiber and Kevlar. In this case, I am not an expert, and I will only be glad if more competent comrades can correct and enlighten me. I want to know the opinions of material experts. I agree in advance with reasoned criticism based on knowledge and logic.

But what I can’t agree with is that many site visitors and commentators don’t want to write in Russian. Given that the site itself is exclusively Russian. Yes, I myself often make mistakes, but most of them can be avoided. I will give a few examples selected from the comments on the site to some articles. True, he allowed himself to criticize some excerpts from the texts.

Recall шtats captain Rybnikov! This is probably the captain of the States Army?

That rivet pоbotago T-72. Our literati have already made a tank robot from the hard-working T-72.

Vocational schoolsь. The words "sol" and "beans" are written with a soft sign, and "plate", "fork" - without a soft sign. It can not be understood, it must be remembered.

Tanks not accordingцtvuyut. Naturally.

Ce processorвoneиon the day. And zavrishniva too.

SovereignЕTET . And an engineer builds buildings.

Will sow House. Yeah, the doctor will come from the series to save us from the chaos in our thoughts.

They do not disdainаare ground . They disdain literacy.

There are also fights fromashRenny ideas. In izdashdnyh people.

Irina Konstantinovna plagiarismchitsa! And Anna Ivanovna school director!

My descendants - serfs who fled from their "owners" to the Kuban on a time machine. I can only envy a person who is able to look into the future. Or sympathize.

Jew - antisеonist, preaching the Christian religion on Mount Zion.

So bаRzet not worth it, but you can end up as JаHar Dudayev. Without kamintariv.

At least laser эby the protesters. That is, electromagnetic pulse simulators?

Nice lookingеsh, in the photo)) Yeah, before the exam.

In a state of extreme drug intoxication. Again without comment.

And finally:

An alternative to a nuclear reactor is, it's a torusьevy reactor. в case pe there is no radiation from them. Americans are already actively engaged yesнoh topic soon they are inOdut forward and we will stayиmash behind. And everyone is trying someone prove that nuclear power is harmless ... A dozen mistakes in three lines. Even at the age of fifteen they are supposed not to do them.

Of course, many will disagree with me, but I consider it important for me to adhere to certain norms in my native language. So, I know that in classical Russian there is no prefix as such roses- and therefore I always write not bottling, spill. Even in spite of the fact that this word appeared in dictionaries. And for me, COFFEE is always HE, and not IT, as it was recently accepted in the spelling amendments. It is unpleasant, reading the comments of many knowledgeable people, to meet a huge number of elementary mistakes. Is it difficult to remember the simplest rule from school lessons: if a question to a verb ends in a soft sign, then the verb also ends in a soft sign, and if the question is without a soft sign, then the verb itself must be written without it. It is not even worth talking about cases. It is better to quote my favorite parody of E. Nefedov "The Case in the Forest."

I was in the forest, I was looking for words
For songs about a girlfriend,
Sat on the shore first,
Then he lay on the meadow.

Stopped on the bridge
And I thought: “It’s not for nothing
Words come yes not those
To put them in verse.

Here the critic suddenly from reeds
Swam to me on the raft
And says: "You are cases
Do not recognize for a long time?

Kohl really is not in tune
Or on purpose it,
Better jump into the water
And your song is sung! ”

I say: "Are you in delirium?
And what do you have in the form?
Roll, honey, as on the ice
And I saw you in a tomb! ”

He left without saying "Goodbye"
With personal interest.
This, comrades, case

With me went out in the forest.

So we have now taken a disregard for literacy. But illiterate writing of texts is, first of all, a disrespectful attitude towards both ourselves and the people around them. Even, if you never have to meet face to face with an online discussion in life, this does not mean that you can be rude to communicate. I can hope that none of the readers of the site will like writing articles in this style:

Achirida vaenai shit Pindosav cranes: apy libirasty are felled from Auggan. Saldatas NATA are freaked out and the year will be overshadowed.

Instead of: The next US military adventure is coming to an end: once again, foreigners are leaving Afghanistan, never conquered by anyone. This time, ISAF, the international security force operating under the auspices of NATO, is leaving the country. The military of the United States and other members of the Alliance is expected to be withdrawn from Afghanistan at the end of 2014. (An arbitrary excerpt from an article on the topwar site. Taken just for example.)

Why do so many “gentlemen officers” allow themselves to leave comments of this kind, showing their low level of politeness and literacy? I do not believe that a person who has mastered a computer at the user level does not know how to use search engines. After all, now it is not necessary, like twenty years ago, to buy a spelling dictionary. Now it's all free. Just enter the problem word in the search box and check it in the dictionary. Make your brain tense for a few extra seconds. For me personally, such an order of action sometimes makes you feel like a Man, who is not only different in the amount of hair from a monkey.

One of the indicators of the development of Russian culture is the use of simple words and the ousting of little-used letters and signs from the written language during social disruptions. For example, deleting the letter “Yat” from the language (logical decision), canceling “Ъ” at the end of words (justified), ignoring the letter “Ё”, illiterate use of hard and soft signs.

Let me ask myself rhetorically: when in our Fatherland was the strongest school system (I mean, of course, not only secondary, but also higher education) system? He himself will answer - in the fifties and sixties of the last century. Take in your hands almost any book published at that time, and everywhere you will see the letter "E" in the text. In the books of the eighties, this letter disappeared and was almost replaced by the letter “E”. Those who are older can remember all the changes in those twenty to thirty years in their lives. I cant. But I know from the parents' stories that the wooden glazed gazebo of the grandfather’s service apartment on the first floor in the fifties and sixties was used normally, and in the early seventies it had to be demolished and bricked out as several times people broke into broken glass openings. Or that a neighbor in 1983 disfigured the decorative fence of his front garden with a reinforcing mesh more than two meters high because of drunken night guests breaking windows in the house and bottles in the garden, after which we (the children) ran with cut hands and legs. Language is an indicator of the state of society.

The culture of speech is one of the fundamental criteria for the health of a nation. The limitation of one’s own intellect, originating from the limitation of vocabulary (lexicon) by replacing many terms and concepts with simplified variations of several abusive words, is the first step to returning to the primitive communal system. After all, it is much easier to remember one word than dozens.

A typical example, known, probably, to all: Na.uya do.uya na.uurili? Ras.uyrivay on .uy! Translated into Russian, it means: Why did you load so much? Unload back! Everything is elementary simple. The age of the cannibal ellochki is not over, it is gaining momentum. A modern laborer has enough 800 words for everyday communication, while a technician can find thousands of words from 2 to 4, only linguists use a larger number (according to a study of English in Britain). And some two dozens are enough, among which there is always loot, booze, smoke, buzz, fuck.

The Explanatory Dictionary of the Living Great Russian Language ”by V.I. Dahl has about 200 thousand words. According to the “Frequency Dictionary of the Russian Language” edited by L. N. Zasorina, the most common are about 30 thousand words. A little more than 6 of thousands of words have the greatest frequency, covering more than 90% of the texts processed during the compilation of the dictionary. According to current estimates, the vocabulary of a first grade student in a high school is 2000 words. A person with higher education knows the order of 10000 words, and scholars know up to 50 thousand words. The Pushkin Language Dictionary, which contains the words used by the classic, contains more than 20 thousand words, and the V. Lenin Language Dictionary contains more than 37 thousand words. (Information from Wikipedia).

It is very interesting to me, where does so much self-esteem come from Lenin's critics, who have 3000 words in the lexicon? I’m delighted with the young men, reasoning about the fate of the world, having an opinion about everything. It is a shame that their opinion is based for the most part on the statements of "great" thinkers from the yellow newspapers. Although, according to the words “Canine Heart”, they are “in the presence of ... people with university education they are supposed to be silent and listen,” they also “allow themselves to give advice on a cosmic scale and cosmic stupidity!” It’s even more offensive to read people's sayings but not always well-versed in many issues, such as: statements about the anarchy of those who did not read a single work of Bakunin or Kropotkin; reasoning about the Great October Socialist Revolution of people who know little history and not familiar with the works of Marx, Engels, Lenin; reasoning about Orthodoxy "Christians" who did not even read the Bible.

Why do so many of our fellow citizens independently, of their own will, limit their vocabulary and, accordingly, the capacity of the thinking apparatus? Because the criminal jargon was brought into fashion, the prison romance and prison "slope" are being promoted. Who benefits? We can estimate. First, the power, seeking to acquire a large number of slaves (wordless creatures), which will be characterized by the absence of unnecessary brains and desires, with a minimum of needs. Secondly, people who came to power by chance without any reason. They do not want to have under their start more intelligent and educated subordinates than they themselves. After all, then it will be possible to do anything, without fear of being ridiculed by people with low social status - no one can notice the mistakes and other nonsense of the boss. Especially not mistakes, but principled sabotage aimed at the destruction of our country. Thirdly, according to the theory of the world conspiracy, those who want to destroy Russia as a country and a state that opposes Western civilization.

And the mode of action is simple - the devaluation of the prestige of teachers. Why is my former class teacher working in customs, a huge number of teachers retrained as salesmen, accountants, “managers”? The salaries are minimal, the undertake of students, and as a result, they took almost any student. I still remember, when my Soviet entrant used to say: “No health, go to honey, no mind, go to the ped!” Already at dusk of the Soviet era, the prestige of the teacher’s profession was near zero. In high school, two of my teachers went to our school from the "boarding zone". Methods of education and level of education were slightly different than other teachers. And what could the historian tell me about the exploits of Susanin, who had led the fascists to the swamps, to teach me? Or asserting with foaming at the mouth that in the famous Peterhof statue of the Grand Cascade Samson is tearing apart the mouth not of a lion, but of a dragon? What will a teacher of "works" (!) Or history working as an informatics teacher teach children in our time? I do not want to summarize, there are also such specialists, but there are very few of them. And in the total mass ...

And what efforts does our state make to get rid of the remaining people who love our native Russian language? It is enough to open any edition of the automobile orientation, and immediately you run up on the pearls of “Russophiles”, something like this: “Behind the wheel of this crossover, you get real driver's enjoyment, passing through a chicane” or “Hardtail is a pleasure for a sophisticated rider (biker)”. In one article (!) I saw three spellings of the company name: Hyundai, Hyundai, Hyundai - none of them is correct (Hyundai) based on traditional Russian transcribing! And these hacks who introduce cool foreign words into our lives, giving them a reason to be proud of their own mastery of verbiage, have a considerable influence on the fragile heads of adolescents who read with greed the only "technical" literature accessible to their understanding. In fact, the introduction of words of foreign origin, which originally developed the language, has now become the systematic destruction of our Russian language, our culture.

Why is it allowed to replace Russian traditions with foreign philosophizing? The Eastern saying “The dog barks, the caravan moves on again ...” (from the comment of one user). It’s bad when, under the influence of the mass media, some people forget about the Russian saying “The dog barks - the wind wears”. I do not bring to the primacy of the Russian version of the proverb, probably the Eastern version appeared earlier, but why return to the original source a second time, if our language has already been enriched by it and introduced its own nuances peculiar to us? Visitors to the site have added new capacious words “libest”, “tolerant”. Let them be used only within the boundaries of this resource, but it shows the ability to think more widely, unconventional, willingness to develop. Not alien and borrowing. "Nuglia" - a country from the book of Uspensky, "Where we do not exist." Or the incorrect “Pindos” (“pendos”) in relation to North Americans, although originally the Greeks of the Azov Sea region were called (and continue to call it), the name is akin to “Khokhlov” and “Katsaps”.

As a speaker of the Russian language, I consider it crucial for me to observe the norms of its use even in everyday life. No, I do not consider myself an intellectual botanist. I can use non-literary vocabulary and do it quite regularly, which is dictated by the conditions and place of work, just some people do not want to understand otherwise, perceive politeness inadequately. I attribute this to professional costs. But I consider it shameful to demonstrate my limitations, therefore I urge:

Fellow citizens! Be polite and cultured in dealing with your own kind, develop yourself, do not let it fuck up finally the great and powerful!
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  1. Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 15 November 2013 08: 20
    31
    Youngsters created a pseudo-language for expression on the Web, as, indeed, English-speaking. Do not rely on school, the main education should be in the family.
    But this
    Even Wikipedia gives an ambiguous definition
    I was very surprised. Author, are you serious about Wikipedia with reverence? hi
    1. domokl
      domokl 15 November 2013 09: 17
      10
      The electorate will never come to a consensus on this multidimensional problem ... lol
      Caring for the Russian language should not begin at school. But from birth. Turn on a youth channel on TV. The channel’s audience just makes up the bulk of future parents.
      A sharp increase in the amount of information, paradoxically, leads to optimization of the language. We are confidently sliding into the very 1500-3000 words that are sufficient for communication in everyday life. Speed ​​is everything. Remember the marriage proposal in the 19 century, 20 century and now .. . Nothing needs to be invented, everything is described in the literature.
      1. Peaceful military
        Peaceful military 15 November 2013 09: 48
        +8
        Quote: domokl
        The electorate will never come to a consensus on this multidimensional problem ... lol
        Caring for the Russian language should not begin at school. But from birth. Turn on a youth channel on TV. The channel’s audience just makes up the bulk of future parents.
        A sharp increase in the amount of information, paradoxically, leads to optimization of the language. We are confidently sliding into the very 1500-3000 words that are sufficient for communication in everyday life. Speed ​​is everything. Remember the marriage proposal in the 19 century, 20 century and now .. . Nothing needs to be invented, everything is described in the literature.

        It seems that this is a targeted routine.
        1. domokl
          domokl 15 November 2013 10: 06
          +3
          The right impression. Look at some Duel or any talk show with the participation of our deputies and politicians. Listen to HOW they say. And then imagine some kind of peripheral peasant. He listens, sees that they understand each other. And he concludes, I am illiterate .And then, as our old women say, well, I can understand when it was not possible to study. I don’t understand anything. I feel bad, but they say that it will be good. So they are good. I’ll go vote for them.
          1. Ivan_Ivanov
            Ivan_Ivanov 15 November 2013 10: 40
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            “The Russians make bad slaves.”
            - Why not?
            “All because of their fucking tongue.”
            -?
            - Language determines the way of thinking. Now, if the language is simple - the construction of sentences in it is possible only in one specific way (like the English, or the Germans), then the thinking of a person with such a language is simple, straightforward. You say to such a person: "Take the stone and you will receive a coin." - and he carries, receives a coin, and no questions. Or there is a sign - "Right turn is prohibited", and it simply would not even occur to him to consider the hypothetical possibility of turning right. For Russians, the phrase can be constructed in any way. Though "There is a glass on the table", even though "A glass is on the table", even though "There is a glass on the table". That is, their language is multivariate, multidimensional. Hence, their way of thinking is multivariate, multidimensional. It allows for the possibility of the simultaneous existence of various (and, moreover, unlimited) options for the development of events. Hanging sign "Right turn is prohibited" ... for the Russian this sign does not cancel the possibility of considering the option of turning right. And be sure, if he really needs it, he will turn. Or you say to him: "Take the stone and get a coin." So he will immediately start thinking: "Why one coin?", "Why are these stones needed?", "How to take a stone home and get a coin?", "Why carry stones at all?" For him, all options are possible. And in order for a Russian to perform a SIMPLE, mechanical work with high quality, without question, a lot of effort is needed. And all the same, the result will be temporary.
            - It turns out that the Russians are useless for us and even represent a danger?
            - Yes. In order to make them biorobots, you need to change their language, make it primitive. But this is a challenge for centuries. And now, in order to remove the threat from their side, weaken, deprive them of their development, there are other ways to influence. Mostly using their character, which again is determined by their language. But more about that next time.
            1. Ptah
              Ptah 15 November 2013 11: 46
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              Quote: Ivan_Ivanov
              “The Russians make bad slaves.”
              - Why not?
              “All because of their fucking tongue.”
              -?

              "The Russian language! For thousands of years the people have been creating this flexible, magnificent, inexhaustiblely rich, intelligent poetic ... an instrument of their social life, their thoughts, their feelings, their hopes, their anger, their great future ... The people have woven the invisible web of the Russian language with a wonderful ligature: a rainbow following the spring rain, well-aimed like arrows, soulful like a song over a cradle, melodious ... The dense world, on which he threw a magic net of words, submitted to him like a bridled horse. "
              / A.N. Tolstoy /

              "The word of a Briton will respond with heart-learning and wise knowledge of life; the short-lived word of the Frenchman will shine and fly with an easy dandy; the German will intricately come up with his own cleverly thin word, not accessible to everyone; under the very heart, it would boil and tremble as vividly as a well-spoken Russian word. "
              /Nikolai Vasilyevich Gogol/

              "Language is the history of the people. Language is the path of civilization and culture ... Therefore, the study and preservation of the Russian language is not an idle occupation with nothing to do, but an urgent need."
              / Kuprin A.I. /
              1. seller trucks
                seller trucks 15 November 2013 13: 16
                +9
                I confess, I have huge problems with syntax and spelling, but damn it, I just can't understand why many do not correct grammatical errors, because the spelling check is built into the word, is it really difficult to right-click on the red underline and select the correct spelling. in general, I agree with the content of the article, but you need to understand that not everyone can be Pushkin and Chekhov, but they want to express themselves a lot. Recently, on one of the branches, we discussed the problem of parasite words in the Russian language, and I was amazed at how many parasite synonyms can exist for a word, for example, the word "bad" - crap, shit, shnyaga, sucks, feces, no ice, cloaca and etc. or "good" - ok, ice, super, credit, luck, etc. I somehow already wrote how my daughter at school made a remark to the teacher History with the expression "as it were," the teacher's answer struck a "youthful word", but the truth heeded. What kind of literacy can we talk about if this happens at school? But one thing I can say for sure, you need to start with yourself, and then make comments to the rest and you need to realize this. Thanks again for the article.
                1. poquello
                  poquello 15 November 2013 23: 38
                  +1
                  Quote: seller trucks
                  I confess that I have huge problems with syntax and spelling, but hell, I just can’t understand why many people don’t correct grammar errors, because spell checking is built into the word, is it really difficult to right-click on the highlighted in red and select the correct spelling .. ...

                  >> general plant <
                  check, wrote all his life together
            2. Max otto
              Max otto 15 November 2013 13: 41
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              Quote: Ivan_Ivanov
              ... In Russians, the phrase can be constructed in any way. Even though "There is a glass on the table", even though "A glass is on the table", even though "There is a glass on the table" ...

              The table, I will tell you, is a very mysterious subject. On the table is a glass and a fork, while the glass is standing, and the fork is lying, why? If you plug a fork into the table, then it will also stand, it turns out that there are more vertical objects, but more horizontal ones? However, we have a pan and a plate; they are on the table, although they are quite horizontal. And now the trick: we take a plate, put it in a pan - voila! Now the plate is in the pan! Any German will take down a roof from this.
              1. Peaceful military
                Peaceful military 15 November 2013 13: 45
                +4
                Quote: Max Otto
                The table, I will tell you, is a very mysterious subject. On the table is a glass and a fork, while the glass is standing, and the fork is lying, why? If you plug a fork into the table, then it will also stand, it turns out that there are more vertical objects, but more horizontal ones? However, we have a pan and a plate; they are on the table, although they are quite horizontal. And now the trick: we take a plate, put it in a pan - voila! Now the plate is in the pan! Any German will take down a roof from this.

                Bravo! good
              2. vober
                vober 15 November 2013 14: 19
                +5
                Well, yes, for some reason, the crow is sitting on a branch, although in fact it is on its paws. wink
              3. valerei
                valerei 15 November 2013 14: 30
                +3
                Max Otto, bravo! I laughed heartily at the example and never thought about these "difficulties", but that will blow away - that's for sure.
              4. Proud.
                Proud. 15 November 2013 15: 08
                +8
                Quote: Max Otto
                Any German will take down a roof from this.

                THANKS! You must remember, the main thing is not to confuse the sequence of presentation. And "drive into a dead end" the interlocutors. Anecdote: "Lecture. Professor to the students in a mentor's voice:
                - There are languages ​​where two statements mean negation, there are languages ​​where two negations mean affirmation, a significant pause, but there is no language in which three statements mean negation.
                Student from the back rows:
                - Oh, of course! "
              5. Ptah
                Ptah 15 November 2013 16: 10
                +8
                Quote: Max Otto
                Any German will take down a roof from this.

                Another time for tasks from logic. Take me, for example.
                I have a German passport for several years now and I speak German fluently (I write worse), so I am "German", and for some reason in Germany they call me "Russian". Apparently because I'm not blond and blue-eyed?
                But I was born in the Tat.SSR, and left for the army. There they sometimes called me "Tatar", but I know only a few words and phrases in Tatar.
                The surname under which I was born and baptized is "typically Jewish" and my appearance never matched the generally accepted images of Jews, and neither did my worldview.
                In elementary school at school, when they heard my name, they considered me "German". Later a "Jew". And when the caller had bruises on his face and his eyes began to see, and the brains to analyze what had happened, I again became "Russian." So who am I?
                And another one:
                So what does “stand” and “lie” in the Russian language?
                Maybe there are items ready for use? No, the plug was ready when she lay. Now a cat climbs onto the table. She can stand, sit and lie. If in terms of standing and lying, it somehow creeps into the “vertical-horizontal” logic, then sitting is a new property. She is sitting on the pope. Now a bird has sat on the table. She sits on the table, but sits on her feet, not on the pope. Although it seems to be standing. But she cannot stand at all. But if we kill the poor bird and make a scarecrow, it will stand on the table. It may seem that sitting is an attribute of the living, but the boot also sits on the leg, although it is not alive and has no priests. So, go and understand what is standing, what is lying, and what is sitting.
                1. alex86
                  alex86 15 November 2013 20: 59
                  +4
                  Quote: Ptah
                  she cannot stand at all.

                  For objectivity - if it is a heron, then it can wink
              6. zub46
                zub46 15 November 2013 18: 31
                +1
                And what is unclear: my thing - wherever I want, I put it there!
              7. Ytfluunu
                Ytfluunu 15 November 2013 21: 04
                +1
                everything is very simple. put the plate on the table - here it is. put in a frying pan - here it lies ...
                1. Ptah
                  Ptah 15 November 2013 21: 58
                  +4
                  Quote: Ytfluunu
                  everything is very simple

                  Much easier ....
                  A spoon PUT(placed) in a glass - there she is WORTH.
                  To spoon lay in a glass, you should put it.
              8. Ship
                Ship 19 November 2013 00: 33
                0
                the plate is on the table because the base of the plate is smaller than the base of the piece. But it lies in the pan because everything lies in the pan, it absorbs (unlike the table)
            3. Setrac
              Setrac 15 November 2013 14: 15
              +2
              Quote: Ivan_Ivanov
              - Yes. In order to make them biorobots, you need to change their language, make it primitive.

              Thinking is primary and language is secondary. Russians have such a language, because that is thinking, and not vice versa.
              1. Ivan_Ivanov
                Ivan_Ivanov 15 November 2013 16: 05
                +5
                Thinking is primary and language is secondary. Russians have such a language, because that is thinking, and not vice versa.

                This is not true. Place a small child, an infant, on Wednesday with another language, which is not native to his parents, and, accordingly, his native language, and after he grows up, he will begin to think, think in the same way as carriers of this, not his native, language.
            4. mountain
              mountain 15 November 2013 15: 39
              +4
              For a long time, I could not give you a well-deserved bold rating. Laughed, laughed and now laugh. That's right, it is, such is our thinking. I at one time, a traffic cop led into a stupor and he let me go, and I reasoned, as you wrote. Another time, he stopped me with the words that he thought and yet, I was wrong.)))
      2. Asgard
        Asgard 15 November 2013 10: 04
        +5
        I agree Volodya !!!
        Well, the author asks for the impossible ....
        Articles that you write -YES should be written according to the rules adopted immediately and as we were taught in the Soviet school)))
        Which honestly too wrong))))
        This is the Soviet language, and not Russian (source-based, self-explanatory)))

        But in the comments you can write as is customary at the moment .... with the use of surzhik computer, youth, specialist engineers, etc. etc. ...

        The language of (Azyk), its second meaning, is PEOPLE ...
        We are all pagans, that is, the Russian language lives in us (he is our symbiote)) and develops with us)))))
        So it is not necessary to write "Everything is lost" ... I will say a seditious thought-MATS is a reaction of the Language to the changes made by Peter1, to the phonetics of Glagolitic ...

        Recall the Book of Books — It says that the world was created by God, God had a word and the Word was GOD ....
        That is, the World was created by the WORD, originally Russian, so We Are Creators ..

        This must be remembered)))))
        1. Pinochet000
          Pinochet000 15 November 2013 17: 37
          +4
          Quote: Asgard
          We are all pagans, that is, the Russian language lives in us

          Sometimes it seems to me that the only way out now .... is to recall everything! And this way out is not only for Russians ...
      3. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 15 November 2013 10: 26
        +5
        all media are now broadcasting in a mixture of Russian and English, with approximately 50/50 already. Listen to the State Duma, is there a lot of pure, Russian speech? look around on the street - you don’t immediately understand what country you are in — all in English! and here’s the result: destruction of the native language, plus finishing off with gadgets (what a nasty word) (and when to check the spelling on the go? if only the meaning of the phrase was clear!)
      4. OTTO
        OTTO 15 November 2013 14: 49
        +3
        Quote: domokl
        . Remember the marriage proposal in the 19th century, 20th century and now ..

        The language is changing. And here you can’t change anything, you can admire the language of the 19th century, but this language was once considered new. Fans of the poetry of the 18th century, Pushkin's poems seemed too simple and even vulgar.
    2. dmb
      dmb 15 November 2013 10: 06
      +9
      I personally relate to him. Wikipedia reference. And like any reference book, it is good for further search. You should not look in it for a fair assessment of social phenomena and events that do not have an unambiguous interpretation even in multivolume editions, but you will not deny that the date of birth of Peter the Great, or the work of an automobile variator, is reflected correctly in it. Many thanks to the author for the article. It seems to me that he managed not only to give battle to militant ignorance, but also did not cross the borders beyond which the terry "Domostroy" begins, because it is impossible to completely deny changes in the language in accordance with the era. On this occasion, Ilf and Petrov and A. Bukhov, I recommend.
    3. crazy_fencer
      crazy_fencer 15 November 2013 10: 11
      +4
      Do not approach indiscriminately. Wikipedia, as a source of information, of course, is ambiguous. Especially where the interpretation of facts is clearly tendentious and subjective. But this is for complex issues. And for the simple, it is quite good as a reference. If the issue requires serious study, there is no way to do without cross-sources.
      As for the young animals, the pseudo-language and the "Albansky" imposing in their teeth - oh, leave it ... There is no need to cover up illiteracy and an elementary unwillingness to at least (once) check what has been written with the motives of "preserving allegedly privacy."
      1. Peaceful military
        Peaceful military 15 November 2013 10: 28
        +4
        Friends, learn to read carefully before it's too late.smile
        Did I say something against Wikipedia that you rushed to defend it? I just reacted to the line "Even Wikipedia ...".
        But in essence I repeat don't rely on school, the main education should be in the family. hi
        1. Misantrop
          Misantrop 15 November 2013 12: 18
          +6
          Quote: Peaceful military
          Do not rely on school, the main education should be in the family.

          Domestic dogs and cats, by 3-4 years of age, are able to distinguish between 2-3 thousand words, regardless of intonation. This is even more than that of some modern youth ... request
          1. Peaceful military
            Peaceful military 15 November 2013 12: 21
            +4
            Quote: Misantrop
            Quote: Peaceful military
            Do not rely on school, the main education should be in the family.

            Domestic dogs and cats, by 3-4 years of age, are able to distinguish between 2-3 thousand words, regardless of intonation. This is even more than that of some modern youth ... request

            On this occasion, I. Ilf and E. Petrov sarcastically on the example of Ellochka the cannibal in "12 chairs". smile
          2. Ptah
            Ptah 15 November 2013 12: 38
            +5
            Quote: Misantrop
            Domestic dogs and cats by 3-4 years of age are able to distinguish 2-3 thousand words regardless of intonation.

            But this is a mistake to think. You understand that the same cats and dogs (to a greater extent even horses) do not understand the meaning of what you said, but they respond precisely to the combination of sounds with pronounced intonation.
            Shout to the cat climbing on the table for the sausage not "rasssss" (with increased whistling sounds), but "sdessss" and it is more likely to fulfill your "request".
            Moreover, the longer the animals live with you, the more they understand you.
            So, according to the latest research of "British scientists", there are recommendations for the greatest possible communication with domestic (and not only) animals precisely through speech for us, and combinations of sounds for them.

            Which is not contrary to advice regarding "parts of today's youth ..." good hi
            1. Misantrop
              Misantrop 15 November 2013 17: 31
              +3
              Quote: Ptah
              But this is a mistake to think. You understand that the same cats and dogs (to a greater extent even horses) do not understand the meaning of what you said, but they respond precisely to the combination of sounds with pronounced intonation.
              It's strange, I always thought that a word is just a "combination of sounds" what It is clear that a domestic animal is more oriented specifically to intonation, but try to name your pet by name and his favorite treat. In an indifferent tone, looking to the side ... And when the dog brings at the request of the owner of the sneaker, an ashtray (although he hates tobacco smoke) and looks for matches in his communal apartment, since his own are over? So I wrote exactly what I wrote: 2-3 thousand words, regardless of the intonation and personality of the person who spoke. It is clear that animals, like humans, are all different, their abilities can be VERY very different
              1. Ptah
                Ptah 15 November 2013 17: 59
                +2
                Quote: Misantrop
                the word is precisely the "combination of sounds"

                Yes. Moreover, it necessarily carries SENSE LOAD, which animals are unable to understand. It would be different, the parrot would send tries to anyone who asks him to curse at the amusement of the public.
                With dogs and cats, I’m literally from birth (and now live in the house), but I never set tasks like the ones you describe. What for? I understand that they are unpleasant.
                I’ll share one verified example from personal experience If a cat, due to its natural laziness and desire for cleanliness (can’t tolerate wet paws in wet weather) has chosen a corner for itself to cope with needs - sprinkle this place with ground coffee or sprinkle with lemon juice or geranium infusion . He won’t go there anymore.
                The dog is able to "read" not only sounds, but also gestures, so they words to execute commands often unnecessarily.
                And about 2-3 thousand ..... request

                "It's not scary to lie under the bullets dead,
                It is not bitter to be left homeless,
                And we will save you, Russian speech,
                Great Russian Word.
                Free and clean you carry,
                And we will give our grandsons, and we will save them from captivity
                Forever .... "

                /Anna Akhmatova/
                1. Misantrop
                  Misantrop 15 November 2013 19: 34
                  +5
                  Quote: Ptah
                  and now they live in the house
                  Home is gorgeous. And when all life is in apartments (and until recently - in service), then with the dogs you will not particularly accelerate. Especially if you haven’t been there for months ... It’s another matter to feed a wild stray cat so that it doesn’t disappear in my absence. Naturally, there is no question of any training, just communication of equals. And the case with the dog was observed by a friend. From that, the wife left and the dog itself (!) Began to take care of the owner. Incidentally, this is not an isolated case; they even wrote about one shepherd after the war in "Glory of Sevastopol". The dog came to the team of loaders and began to help them work, carrying what is easier with them. and - really helped, and did not indulge. They tried to feed them - they take the food with them. Later it turned out that she was feeding a disabled owner. So this dog was officially accepted into the brigade with payroll, etc.
                  And my dog ​​only appeared once. Workshop on the outskirts of the city, almost in the steppe. And one day a beast dying of hunger with puppies stalked. Puppies did not survive, she came too late, but I went out. So she took root. A cross between a shepherd and a steppe wolf, a clever girl is rare. Itself chose objects for protection (my machine tool and my own car), but guarded SO that it dissuaded night thieves from the entire workshop lol Not only humans, but also rats.
                  On one of the objects there lived a dog, interesting in that when he went into the room, he closed the door behind him. Himself, without reminders. So he even knew the days of the week. Somehow he ran to us, but we had nothing with us. They explained that today and tomorrow we have nothing, but on Friday we will pick up delicious food specially for him. That day and the next he didn’t come to us at all, but on Friday he met hell knows where, right at the bus stop what
                  And there are many such examples from personal life. So what about the semantic load, everything is far from as simple as it seems, they VERY much understand (although they do not always show it) ...
                  1. Ptah
                    Ptah 15 November 2013 20: 22
                    +4
                    good drinks
                    Quote: Misantrop
                    as it seems, they VERY much understand (although they don’t always show it) ...

                    Here I will offer for reading -

                    memory-book.livejournal.com/123897.html

                    A well-known thing, but suddenly they did not read it. After reading in the magazine "Koster" in '85, I no longer watch (and do not read) basically no documentaries about demolition dogs, or about horses in war, or about dolphins-saboteurs, etc.

                    Somehow in the mid-90s, he worked at the same enterprise. A welder also worked there. He lived 6-7 kilometers from the city and got to work "on the intercity". His shepherd dog accompanied him to a stop in the morning, and every day came to him for lunch. At the same time, regardless of the weather, every day. And the man carried with him a jar of food for the dog. The dog ate, slept at his feet while he "slaughtered the goat", then got up and left. In the evening I met at the bus stop.
                    Yes, and sometimes I look at my dog ​​and think that they have more rights to life on the planet than humanity itself has cheated on itself.
                    1. Misantrop
                      Misantrop 15 November 2013 20: 54
                      +3
                      Quote: Ptah
                      about saboteur dolphins
                      Dolphins DO NOT WORK as saboteurs. Basically. All attempts to adapt them to this failed. All that is about it is fairy tales and an attempt to wishful thinking. Here are lifeguards - as much as you like, they go for it with pleasure.
                      By the way, there is an excellent book by Farley Mowet "Don't Shout Wolves!" On the network, I recommend good
                    2. Bort radist
                      Bort radist 16 November 2013 15: 33
                      +1
                      Quote: Ptah
                      Yes, and sometimes I look at my dog ​​and think that they have more rights to life on the planet than humanity itself has cheated on itself.

                      Not only itself.
                      I read the story. After the war, husband and wife picked up a dying shepherd. They went out. The dog was smart, kind, ...... Once the husband returned home and saw his wife on the floor with a torn throat, and next to the rescued dog. My wife put on a striped robe in the morning. The dog was from a concentration camp
        2. avt
          avt 15 November 2013 12: 59
          +3
          Quote: Peaceful military
          Friends, learn to read carefully before it's too late.

          Yeah, otherwise it will be soon - the Russian language is great and powerful. bully
    4. Toporkoff
      Toporkoff 15 November 2013 11: 25
      +5
      Youngsters created a pseudo-language for expression on the Web, as, indeed, English-speaking.

      I can’t remember a single word I have invented ... I don’t think youngsters are capable of creating a pseudo-language. Remember Orwell's 1984, where the state was involved in newspeak, in our case the secret services.
      1. Peaceful military
        Peaceful military 15 November 2013 11: 47
        +4
        Quote: Toporkoff
        Youngsters created a pseudo-language for expression on the Web, as, indeed, English-speaking.

        I can’t remember a single word I have invented ... I don’t think youngsters are capable of creating a pseudo-language. Remember Orwell's 1984, where the state was involved in newspeak, in our case the secret services.

        Well, I can remember how we invented our own language and even spoke it so that we would not be understood. So within the community (network party-goers, for example) it is possible to create your own pseudo-language, and remember the same "fenya".
        But, as I said above, the routine is obviously targeted.
      2. yur
        yur 16 November 2013 02: 04
        +2
        Exactly! Any language develops, enriches, and absorbs the new GRADUALLY. And then suddenly, within a few years, a youth "newspeak" arose. I would like to look at the millions of young philologists, through whose efforts a new language was born so quickly, but so far, alas, only illiterate lawyers and economists. Moreover, they do not know well not only their native language, but also their professional disciplines.
    5. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 15 November 2013 12: 12
      +2
      Quote: Peaceful military
      Author, are you serious about Wikipedia with reverence?

      He probably doesn’t think so, but my children just that, just as an example just poke her. Unfortunately Wikipedia for the younger generation is AUTHORITY.
      1. Peaceful military
        Peaceful military 15 November 2013 12: 33
        +3
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        Quote: Peaceful military
        Author, are you serious about Wikipedia with reverence?

        He probably doesn’t think so, but my children just that, just as an example just poke her. Unfortunately Wikipedia for the younger generation is AUTHORITY.

        Alas, the simplest available, it becomes, over time, the most used. I already catch myself on the fact that no no, yes I will "dive" into Wikipedia, although my father taught me from childhood to look for information not in the easiest way, but with the help of really authoritative sources. We had a rich home library, and whenever I asked him about something, my father took this or that book with me, found the answer and read with me along the way, something from above and something from below, the required material ... Over time, in his presence, I did all this myself, and then there was no need for either his prodding or his presence. THANKS HIM VERY MUCH!
    6. taseka
      taseka 15 November 2013 13: 52
      +4
      Languages, words, and General Serdyukov at the federal agency - they simply put us on !!!
      1. Peaceful military
        Peaceful military 15 November 2013 14: 00
        +3
        Quote: taseka
        Languages, words, and General Serdyukov at the federal agency - they simply put us on !!!

        A. Serdyukov headed a major federal testing center http://top.rbc.ru/politics/15/11/2013/888948.shtml angry
        1. kaktus
          kaktus 15 November 2013 16: 11
          +2
          Here are the words to express your attitude to this fact ??? angry
    7. Cherdak
      Cherdak 15 November 2013 16: 33
      +3
      Quote: Peaceful military
      Wikipedia gives an ambiguous definition



      Duc, they are the same for garlic!
    8. oven67
      oven67 15 November 2013 18: 28
      +1
      The family gives upbringing, and the person receives education himself if he wishes or is brought up by the family in the right way.
      1. alone
        alone 15 November 2013 19: 56
        +1
        wassat In vain the author is going through. Livanov will fix everything. lol
    9. SPLV
      15 November 2013 23: 54
      +1
      This is just a statement of fact. In Wiki, he found and corrected errors, but now it is the most frequently used resource for obtaining information.
  2. makarov
    makarov 15 November 2013 08: 25
    -3
    ".. Some of them are composite and composite materials. Many, including myself, have difficulty understanding the text. I often have to re-read to understand what is at stake ..."

    Uv. author. To understand something, you need to read more, to develop. And you shouldn't speak on behalf of "MANY". And what a stupid habit to hide behind a shield - "many", "all", etc.
    1. zart_arn
      zart_arn 15 November 2013 08: 52
      24
      To understand the article, you had to study well at school. The article is a huge plus. Illiterate scribblers are a shame. By the way, there are plenty of them on the site.
      1. dmitrich
        dmitrich 15 November 2013 09: 05
        -3
        IT IS NOTABLE, EDUCATION IS SO SPRINGING.
      2. domokl
        domokl 15 November 2013 09: 23
        +4
        Quote: zart_arn
        To understand the article, you had to study well at school

        We all studied little by little ... Something and somehow. You forget that on the site there are, except native speakers, people for whom Russian is really foreign.
        Education has absolutely nothing to do with it. The everyday language and the literary language are two completely separate branches of the language. If it is written in the work, “Well, why, dear, did you load so much on the trolley? I won’t be able to take so much. in some kind of shopping center, it sounds completely different ... - What for what the hell are you doing? Unfill it, otherwise I don’t do it ... (the figachit word can be replaced with any mat you know).
        Emotionality sometimes forces people to use the second variant of writing.
        1. poquello
          poquello 16 November 2013 00: 29
          +3
          Quote: domokl
          We all studied a little ... Something and somehow. You forget that on the site there are, except native speakers, people for whom Russian is really foreign .....

          These are real problems, because the translator doesn’t eat it.
      3. Toporkoff
        Toporkoff 15 November 2013 11: 29
        +3
        - Today we are going to unload lumin!
        - Comrade Warrant Officer, speak aluminum correctly
        “And the smartest one will ship the iron!”
      4. Z.A.M.
        Z.A.M. 15 November 2013 14: 04
        +4
        Quote: zart_arn
        To understand the article, you had to study well at school. The article is a huge plus. Illiterate scribblers are a shame.


        I fully support. Thanks to the author - and smartly and laughed good hi
    2. makarov
      makarov 15 November 2013 09: 38
      +5
      PS
      Sometime, afterwards, then,
      but even in the primers they’ll put a line,
      what made osprey and hert
      everyone dissolves alone.
      И.Г.
  3. baltika-18
    baltika-18 15 November 2013 08: 41
    +8
    Article plus. Bravo, author, especially parts of the article after composite materials.
    1. Stiletto
      Stiletto 15 November 2013 09: 22
      10
      In! Now the people on the site will correctly say: "Pros..alie all inorganic composite materials!"
      1. Ptah
        Ptah 15 November 2013 10: 48
        +8
        Quote: Stiletto
        "Pro..alie all inorganic composites!"

        Completeness to you, dear sir. hi
        It should be expressed - "Have performed the act of defecation ......." laughing


        "There is no doubt that the hunt dazzle(!!?) Russian speech in foreign words without need, without sufficient reason, is contrary to common sense and common taste; but she it harms not the Russian language and not Russian literature, but only those who are obsessed with it."
        / Belinsky V.G. /
        1. Stiletto
          Stiletto 15 November 2013 11: 24
          +7
          Quote: Ptah
          "There is no doubt that the desire to dazzle (!!?) Russian speech with foreign words unnecessarily, without sufficient reason, is contrary to common sense and common taste; but it does not harm the Russian language or Russian literature, but only those who are obsessed with it." / Belinsky V.G. /



          “Tell me what books you read, and I will say who you are!”
          - Well ... Classics, basically. Belinsky, Dobrolyubov, Derzhavin Gavriil Romanovich, I am fond of Karamzin.
          - Well, you are so much to lie, buddy! laughing
        2. Max otto
          Max otto 15 November 2013 13: 56
          +1
          Quote: Ptah

          "There is no doubt that the hunt dazzle(!!?) Russian speech in foreign words without need, without sufficient reason, is contrary to common sense and common taste; but she it harms not the Russian language and not Russian literature, but only those who are obsessed with it."
          / Belinsky V.G. /

          As always, everything has already been said by the classics. Often you need to think for a few minutes to understand a rather simple phrase.
          1. MahsusNazar
            MahsusNazar 15 November 2013 14: 46
            +4
            to continue:
            ... however, when considering this issue from a synthetic point of view,
            then the competence of tendencies of paradoxical emotions,
            will be the stabilization of this problem ...

            amazing nonsense :-)

            The article is a huge plus, although I will not so unequivocally step on various "surzhiks" of computer communication and artificial languages, in principle.
            In my experience - communication in a synthetic language, in the northern provinces of Afghanistan, when you are understood by a native speaker of any nationality represented in those lands.
            1. poquello
              poquello 16 November 2013 00: 59
              +1
              Quote: MahsusNazar
              .

              amazing nonsense :-)

              That's clearer? - "From the point of view of banal erudition, not every localized individual is capable of metaphizing logical abstraction"
          2. Ptah
            Ptah 15 November 2013 16: 35
            +3
            Quote: Max Otto
            Often you need to think for a few minutes,

            You say "minutes" ...... what Thank you, of course, but you flatter us. repeat
            If the cat has nothing to do, then it is naturally engaged in hygiene procedures in the perineum. And if there is nothing to do for some "individualminds", then they invent something like that-
            From the point of view of banal erudition, each individual who critically motivates abstraction cannot ignore the criteria of utopian subjectivity, conceptually interpreting the generally accepted defanizing polarizers, therefore, the consensus reached by the dialectical material classification of universal motivations in the paradogmatic connections of predicates solves the problem of improving the formation of geologic transplant correlations. Based on this, we came to the conclusion that each arbitrarily selected predicatively absorbing object of rational mystical induction can be discretely determined with the application of a situational paradigm of a communicative-functional type in the presence of a detector-archaic distributive image in the Hilbert convergence space, however, with parallel analysis of the spectrographic sets , isomorphically relativistic to multi-lane hyperbolic paraboloids that interpret the anthropocentric Neo-Lagrange polynomial, there arises the positional significatism of the gentile theory of psychoanalysis, as a result of which the following should be taken into account: since not only esoteric, but also existential apperception entropic, is aneciently sedient but since the valency factor is negative, then, accordingly, antagonistic discreditism degrades in the exhibitionist direction because, being in .........

            But you and I are not obliged to think over what has been written, neither "for a few minutes," nor for several years. Isn't it true? drinks
            1. Max otto
              Max otto 15 November 2013 17: 12
              +1
              True true. I immediately skip such a text, even if the writer writes in vain remains incomprehensible. drinks
  4. borisjdin1957
    borisjdin1957 15 November 2013 08: 48
    13
    from the Don.
    I fully support the author! Illiteracy rolls over!
    1. major071
      major071 15 November 2013 10: 09
      +9
      Sometimes when reading illiterate comments you start to think, how old is the author? Quotes cut the ear, it’s not interesting to read, especially when off-topic and erroneous comments appear when discussing a complex topic (politics and economics). This often sins young people.
  5. Bort radist
    Bort radist 15 November 2013 08: 49
    11
    Joke.
    Russian language lesson. Little Johnny is asked to make out the composition of the sentence - "Vanya, Manyu washes in the bath."
    - Well, Vanya is undoubtedly the main member of the proposal.
    - "Washes" is a preposition.
    - "Manya" is the subject.
    -And what do you think is a "bath"? belay
    - "Bath" is a pronoun! lol repeat
    1. alex86
      alex86 15 November 2013 22: 02
      +1
      Quote: Bort Radist
      Vanya, Manyu washes in the bath. "

      The comma after "Vanya" is not needed.
      Quote: Bort Radist
      -And what do you think is a "bath"?

      The comma after "A" is not needed.
      And explain to me, please, where this manner of putting a comma after the "A" at the beginning of the sentence came from.
      The claim is not specific to the Bort Radist SU, it’s just now a common commotion - and where did it come from? ...
      1. poquello
        poquello 16 November 2013 01: 17
        +2
        Quote: alex86

        Quote: Bort Radist
        -And what do you think is a "bath"?

        The comma after "A" is not needed.
        And explain to me, please, where this manner of putting a comma after the "A" at the beginning of the sentence came from.
        The claim is not specific to the Bort Radist SU, it’s just now a common commotion - and where did it come from? ...

        The comma, here, is used as a pause element.
        1. Bort radist
          Bort radist 16 November 2013 15: 37
          0
          Quote: poquello
          The comma, here, is used as a pause element.

          This is called the author’s vision; it turns out that punctuation does not apply.
        2. alex86
          alex86 16 November 2013 20: 58
          0
          Quote: poquello
          The comma, here, is used as a pause element.

          Commas are superfluous again. In the case of "A", there is no intonation pause. Now, if the balo "A-a-a" (with a slightly different continuation), then yes, there could be a comma, since a pause would be appropriate. And so - no.
          1. poquello
            poquello 16 November 2013 22: 51
            +1
            Quote: alex86
            Quote: poquello
            The comma, here, is used as a pause element.

            Commas are superfluous again. In the case of "A", there is no intonation pause. Now, if the balo "A-a-a" (with a slightly different continuation), then yes, there could be a comma, since a pause would be appropriate. And so - no.

            What makes you think that surprise is necessarily expressed by a long "a", and after surprise there is no intonation pause?
      2. Bort radist
        Bort radist 16 November 2013 15: 07
        +2
        Quote: alex86
        The claim is not specific to the Bort Radist SU, it’s just now a common commotion - and where did it come from? ...

        This is not from knowledge, but from haste, I wrote it, but it's too late to fix it. Someone rated and editing request The wife of a philologist, says it is not necessary in (And that) case a comma. Personally, I am a specialist in the field of physical education, I write as taught in 60 years.
        1. alex86
          alex86 16 November 2013 21: 07
          0
          I appreciate that they asked a specialist - here you often hear (read) what kind of claims to the correct spelling - "in the jaw". I confess that I was given a "three" for "oral Russian" in the 8th grade exam (in 77) because it was indecent to put a "two" - I cannot explain why it is written anyway - I just know (and I could be wrong). If I don't know, I look at the dictionary and there is nothing offensive about it - here I am a builder, and I cannot remember all the characteristics of rolled metal products. You +
  6. Mikhail m
    Mikhail m 15 November 2013 09: 01
    +7
    The word coffee according to the structure and logic of the Russian language should be of a secondary kind. And if there is no middle gender in other languages, what prevents us from doing what is convenient for us? Although I myself got used to the fact that coffee is masculine, and this coffee cuts my ears. But habit is a business.
    As for illiterate comments, I simply ignore them, which I advise you to do. Then people with bird twitter will simply leave this site. They do not take root here anyway.
  7. Jack7691
    Jack7691 15 November 2013 09: 03
    +8
    Down with "hello bear" from the pages of serious sites !!! :)
    1. Ptah
      Ptah 15 November 2013 10: 58
      +3
      Quote: Jack7691
      Down with "hello, bear" from the pages serious sites !!

      Not like a typo.

      "New words of foreign origin are being introduced into the Russian press incessantly and often completely unnecessarily, and - what is most offensive - these harmful exercises are practiced in the very bodies where the Russian nationality and its peculiarities stand most ardently."
      / Nikolai Semenovich Leskov /
  8. Proud.
    Proud. 15 November 2013 09: 06
    +6
    Clear article. Aftaru respect. laughing
  9. Baton
    Baton 15 November 2013 09: 23
    11
    Many thanks to the Author for finally raising the PROBLEM, especially regarding the writing of comments and appeals to each other. Honestly, it just infuriates when you see that someone with whom someone does not agree is addressed: "What we smoke" or "What weed do you smoke". This shows not just disrespect for the opponent, but some kind of hatred ...
    1. Anatole Klim
      Anatole Klim 15 November 2013 09: 53
      +5
      Quote: Baton
      This shows not just disrespect for the opponent, but some kind of hatred ...

      I agree with you. I always respect a different opinion than mine, if arguments and evidence are given. But, unfortunately, there are, simply, boorish comments. They do not piss me off - too much honor to such crooks.
      1. Baton
        Baton 15 November 2013 10: 15
        +3
        Thank. I am very glad that I am not alone ...
      2. Setrac
        Setrac 15 November 2013 14: 25
        0
        Quote: Anatol Klim
        I always respect a different opinion than mine, if arguments and evidence are given.

        And, for example, the pro-Western propaganda that traitors are pushing, do you also respect it?
        1. Anatole Klim
          Anatole Klim 15 November 2013 18: 13
          +4
          Quote: Setrac
          pro-Western propaganda pushed by traitors

          Propaganda (lat. Propaganda - to be distributed) - the dissemination of any ideas in order to attract supporters.
          Positive (constructive) propaganda seeks to convey to the consumer certain beliefs in a intelligible form. The goal of positive propaganda is to promote social harmony, harmony, and educating people in accordance with generally accepted values. Positive propaganda carries out educational and informational functions in society. It is carried out in the interests of those to whom it is addressed, and not a limited circle of interested persons. Positive propaganda, unlike negative propaganda, does not pursue manipulative goals.
          Negative (destructive) propaganda imposes certain beliefs on people according to the principle "the end justifies the means." The purpose of negative propaganda is to incite social hatred, escalate social conflicts, exacerbate contradictions in society, awakening base instincts in people and the like. This allows you to divide people, make them obedient to the will of the propagandist. The technology of creating an “image of the enemy” allows you to rally the crowd around the propagandist, to impose on the crowd convictions and stereotypes that are favorable to him. The main function of negative propaganda is to create an illusory, parallel reality with an “inverted” system of values, beliefs, and views. Negative propaganda actively uses the low criticality and suggestibility of the masses in order to manipulate these masses in the interests of a narrow group of people.
          So, we will reasonably expose pro-Western propaganda, and not slide into banal insults and curses.
          1. Setrac
            Setrac 15 November 2013 18: 54
            +2
            Quote: Anatol Klim
            So, we will reasonably expose pro-Western propaganda, and not slide into banal insults and curses.

            Nevertheless, there will be no respect for the carriers of this propaganda.
            1. Anatole Klim
              Anatole Klim 15 November 2013 19: 20
              0
              Quote: Setrac
              respect for the carriers of this propaganda will not be.

              I agree, I will disrespectfully despise! "+"
    2. Ptah
      Ptah 15 November 2013 11: 11
      +5
      Quote: Baton
      This shows not just disrespect for the opponent, but some kind of hatred ...

      Or envy? laughing
      Quote: Baton
      Many thanks to the Author for finally raising the PROBLEM

      It was "raised" by EVERYTHING and ALWAYS. Often they "drew" apocalyptic pictures, but there have always been people who are in awe of the language and those to whom it simply was not given due to their possession "strong immunity to knowledge and the desire to think".

      "Of necessity, a lot of foreign words entered the Russian language, because a lot of foreign concepts and ideas entered Russian life. This phenomenon is not new ... It is very difficult to invent your own terms to express other people's concepts, and in general this work is rarely successful. Therefore, with a new with a concept that one takes from another, he takes the very word that expresses this concept. [...] an unsuccessfully invented Russian word for expressing a concept is not only no better, but definitely worse than a foreign word. "
      / V.G. Belinsky /
  10. Bort radist
    Bort radist 15 November 2013 09: 26
    0
    композиция
    - material obtained by combining dissimilar components (e.g. iron and concrete, plastic and glass, metal and non-metal)
    - Ozhegov's dictionary.
    The word composite is absent in this dictionary, but "composite words" are compound words, compound .......
    1. SPLV
      16 November 2013 00: 16
      +2
      Including about this speech - "composite words" - an redundant phrase in the Russian language. You have just given the necessary domestic synonyms: "complex", "compound", and also "multi-root".
      1. poquello
        poquello 16 November 2013 01: 47
        +2
        Quote: SPLV
        Including about this speech - "composite words" - an redundant phrase in the Russian language. You have just given the necessary domestic synonyms: "complex", "compound", and also "multi-root".

        "composite - COMPOSITE, COMPOSITE, oe. composite adj. 1. Rel. to composition <mix>; composite, complex composition."
        Historical Dictionary of Russian Gallicisms
  11. vlad0
    vlad0 15 November 2013 09: 26
    +8
    Article plus! Everything is correct and fair! But, unfortunately, this is only a consequence of the fall in the general cultural level of our society (I don’t want to use the word "people").
    Obviously, it still started in the 70-80s with drunken fights and broken glasses of neighbors (the author has illustrative examples), and came to the observed state in the 90s, when our rudeness, lack of culture, money-grubbing and deceit became almost the norm of behavior and cultural communication is a sign of weakness. Remember the attempts to resolve the issue in a normal way somewhere in the housing office, passport office, social security institutions.
    Well, the children see all this and draw their conclusions.
  12. vlad.svargin
    vlad.svargin 15 November 2013 09: 29
    +5
    The article is very necessary and timely. Russian language is our history and the soul of the people, our roots. Any tree dies with diseased roots, so with our ethnic group, our country. I want to give a quote that would better say about today's problem:
    Why is the Russian word? And why did he have to be saved? Yes, because the word reflects the soul of the people, their spiritual identity and originality. To save, to preserve the native word, Russian speech means to preserve oneself, one’s freedom, honor and national dignity of the people, means to save the Motherland ... how many abusive, derogatory expressions sounded after the collapse of the Soviet Union from the lips of intelligentsia, pop artists, and sometimes and politicians in the media. There were expressions “Soviet language”, “totalitarian language”, “language of the Soviet Gulag”, etc., and almost not a word that it was the language of Pushkin and Gogol, Turgenev and Tolstoy, Dostoevsky and Chekhov, other internationally recognized writers of Russia . Not a word that this is the language of the victors of fascism and the first space explorers. But “the most demanded linguistic“ product ”, as was rightly noted, was then the dictionaries of mat and crime” The fruits of anti-Soviet and, in essence, anti-Russian hysteria are evident ... The Russian language is our hope and spiritual support, our national wealth. Keeping it clean, unspoiled, preserving and increasing the great Russian culture, we guarantee, together with the socio-economic revival, a confident future for our people and Russia. The future is in that complex world, which is doomed to inevitable changes, social upheavals and conflicts. (A.V. Vorontsov, deputy of the Legislative Assembly of St. Petersburg, first vice president of PANI, professor)
  13. Dazdranagon
    Dazdranagon 15 November 2013 09: 32
    +6
    To the author plus. It amazes me - how, after graduating from school, you can not know your native language !? Maybe I was very lucky with the teacher ... Knowledge of the Great and Mighty Russian language, in my opinion, should bring indescribable self-satisfaction! hi
    1. Ptah
      Ptah 15 November 2013 11: 36
      +1
      Quote: Dazdranagon
      It amazes me - how, after graduating from school, you can not know your native language !?

      Very categorically, on your part, to say so.
      It is simply IMPOSSIBLE to learn it without special in-depth study.
      At any stage of study and life in RUSSIAN, you can use with varying degrees of success. Of course it depends on the educational level of the person. But we don’t KNOW the language in full even in high school
      Want an example?
      Formulate (without any reference materials) - "Rule of formation and use of explanatory or adjoining members of a sentence" or "The use of homogeneous members of the sentence, connected by paired conjunctions when adding generalizing words." Well, or "simpler" - "Dash, as well as intonational dash in an incomplete sentence".
      And this is a secondary education program.
      I have at home a "brick-like, five hundred-page" "Pupil's and Student's Guide to the Russian Language".
      When I open it, somewhere in the region of 350-450 pages, my hair begins to rise on the back of my head from such a volume of information (necessary for knowledge after the graduation exam (!) In the rules.

      "We were given possession of the richest, most accurate, powerful and truly magical Russian language."
      /TO. G. Paustovsky /

      "Before you (us) the GROMADA is the Russian language!"
      / Nikolai Vasilyevich Gogol/
      1. Dazdranagon
        Dazdranagon 15 November 2013 13: 48
        +7
        Ptah, I mean the simplest knowledge, such as double "nn", "-sat, -sat" in verbs, etc. After all, not everyone knows these rules ...
        Quote: Ptah
        But we don’t KNOW the language in full even in high school
        - I completely agree. Most likely some doctor of linguistic sciences possesses full knowledge of the language ... One. hi
    2. matross
      matross 15 November 2013 12: 28
      +2
      Quote: Dazdranagon
      indescribable self-satisfaction!

      Are you sure that you used this expression to the place? It sounds very ambiguous. Least... repeat laughing
      1. Ptah
        Ptah 15 November 2013 12: 44
        +2
        Quote: matRoss
        It sounds very ambiguous.

        Fine......
        And if you look in the general context - "Knowledge of the Great and Mighty Russian language, in my opinion, should bring indescribable self-satisfaction!", then these are most likely pipe dreams. They fit into "human weaknesses", like belief "in the beautiful far away."
  14. Corporal
    Corporal 15 November 2013 09: 33
    -1
    Grammar-Nazi Detected

    Guys, maybe already enough "hygiene" on the topic of illiteracy. Almost all forums have gone through this. What a thrust to rush around in a circle on the same rake.
    Yes, people write comments in a hurry, from phones, there are illiterates, there are people with dyslexia, drunk, evil, trolls, foreigners, children. It happens.
  15. And Us Rat
    And Us Rat 15 November 2013 09: 34
    -14 qualifying.
    AUTHAR TO TOO MUCH LETTER lol
    1. Grbear
      Grbear 15 November 2013 10: 20
      +1
      Add "US" to your nickname after "A".
      And will be good .
  16. My address
    My address 15 November 2013 09: 35
    +6
    The author is right. hi

    Language is one of the foundations of the state and should be developed by the people and real specialists, not by "effective managers", of whom there are too many. Yes, take even Medvedev - every phrase, you can't understand half of it. Once in a university one professor said: "If a person expresses his thought incomprehensibly in terms of meaning or conclusions, then, rather, he does not understand himself, or deceives." Well, purely about our government! am

    And the new words? At the suggestion of Putin, it went "in demand" and forgotten "necessary." And these are different concepts, one from the word "required", the other from the words "not to do". The firefighters and then all went "ignition" and there is no longer "ignition". Well, purely revolutionaries - in Lenin's newspaper Iskra, for pathos, in the epigraph there are the famous words: "A spark will kindle a flame." And what pathos during the fires ?! fool

    I, the techie, am ashamed of the humanitarian education of humanities in power. Behind the LANGUAGE the first mountain should be the head of the branches of government. angry
  17. Alexandr73
    Alexandr73 15 November 2013 09: 43
    +7
    Quote: Mikhail M
    The word coffee according to the structure and logic of the Russian language should be of a secondary kind. And if there is no middle gender in other languages, what prevents us from doing what is convenient for us? Although I myself got used to the fact that coffee is masculine, and this coffee cuts my ears. But habit is a business.

    The word COFFEE in Russian was originally pronounced - COFFEE. Coffee - whose? Mine! masculine gender. Then the word changed, but the gender remained. And about the mistakes in the comments - I consider myself a fairly competent person, but when I print a comment, I sometimes make typos, but this is not a sign of my illiteracy, but a sign of my laziness. I was too lazy to re-read what I printed.
    Although, in principle, everything is true - LITERATURE every day more and more. And why? - because they don’t read books. Books replaced laptops, televisions, telephones, etc.
    1. Setrac
      Setrac 15 November 2013 14: 31
      +1
      Quote: Alexandr73
      And why? - because they don’t read books. Books replaced laptops, televisions, telephones, etc.

      Those who like to read have long switched to electronic devices.
      1. SPLV
        16 November 2013 00: 25
        +3
        After the 1990-1992 years, one can rarely find books without spelling errors. Most editors neglect duties. What about e-books?
  18. amicus
    amicus 15 November 2013 09: 45
    +4
    article +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ crying
  19. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 15 November 2013 09: 47
    +4
    A useful article is something to think about .. But in such forums you try to express your thoughts briefly and quickly, therefore grammar fades into the background ... I try to calmly relate to this (I often have a clave ..) repeat
  20. Egoza
    Egoza 15 November 2013 09: 58
    11
    In the subject
    "There is an exam in computer science, theoretical question" the device of the computer's RAM. "
    The answer of one of the students: "The computer's operative memory consists of elements called TRIPPERS !!!". In amazement, I ask again:
    "How how?". And I hear the answer at the highest volume: "Trippers !!!" (from)
    XXXX
    Author ++++! Even if someone does not like this topic, but, of course, it will make some people think and check what is written. Sometimes people intentionally distort words, believing that it is very witty. They don’t even understand that they look stupid. Or maybe it's worth refreshing your knowledge of the Russian language by looking at the textbook.
    The aircraft designer Yakovlev wrote in his memoirs that being at a meeting with I.V. Stalin, he was preparing to answer him and looked through his notes. (At that time, someone else was reporting). I.V. Stalin paced behind the people sitting at the table. Approaching Yakovlev, he suddenly leaned over and corrected one grammatical error and two commas in his memorandum. After that, Yakovlev decided to repeat the grammar of the Russian language
    1. Sirius-2
      Sirius-2 15 November 2013 19: 53
      +1
      In one interview Zhukov said: he wrote the text of the order in the presence of Stalin. He walked around the office, then came up and looked at the finished text, and asked: "And who will put the commas?" Zhukov joked that there was no time to put commas. Stalin put punctuation marks and asked to continue to take commas in documents more seriously.
  21. Bort radist
    Bort radist 15 November 2013 10: 02
    +2
    Vitaly, when Klava falls for you, how can you calmly relate to this? request
  22. Grbear
    Grbear 15 November 2013 10: 07
    +7
    To the author +.

    The struggle for the purity of the language on a single site is a necessary thing, but ...

    Special terms should be excluded by law in the communication of official and commercial structures with the public. Firstly, we will reduce the number of defrauded people, and secondly, we will begin to call a spade a spade (affiliated - mine, offer - read-and-miss, etc.).
    Something like that, for starters. hi
  23. creak
    creak 15 November 2013 10: 17
    +7
    The article is undoubtedly a plus, the article is balanced and necessary ... Some figures, talking about problems of a global scale, manage to make four mistakes in a word of three letters (ischo instead of another), but it seems they are proud of it - according to the principle "we did not finish academies." ..
  24. Fobos-grunt
    Fobos-grunt 15 November 2013 10: 18
    +2
    Language stupor is a global trend. In the USA, the slang language of the “black” quarters of “Ebonix” has long been the second official language.
    1. Baton
      Baton 15 November 2013 10: 58
      +4
      Yes, but this does not mean at all that we should follow all the "global trends". As the saying goes: "If everyone goes to drown, it does not mean that you have to get in line." wink
    2. AK-47
      AK-47 15 November 2013 11: 02
      +6
      Quote: Fobos-grunt
      Tongue stupidity

      Quite right, and we, unfortunately, are not spectators, but accomplices of this.
    3. AlNikolaich
      AlNikolaich 15 November 2013 15: 07
      0
      Quote: Fobos-grunt
      In the USA, the slang language of the “black” quarters of “Ebonix” has long been the second official language.

      Exactly. Namely EBONIX! wink
      The origin of the name is clear ...
  25. PPP
    PPP 15 November 2013 10: 21
    +2
    Over the past decade, the Russian language has been greatly distorted.
  26. Basileus
    Basileus 15 November 2013 10: 30
    +3
    It is fashionable now to be ignorant: not to read books, not to pay attention to mistakes. The saddest thing is that people who write this way manage to get school certificates with not very bad grades. This is not to mention Anglicisms, which are used everywhere - where necessary and where not. The word "fresh" makes me feel bad at all.
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 15 November 2013 13: 11
      +8
      Have you heard how students talk to each other? Mat on the mat! The boatswain of the sailing fleet would have lost ears from such a mat
      1. matross
        matross 15 November 2013 15: 02
        +1
        Quote: Uncle Lee
        Mat on the mat!

        When I was in school, these were the 80 years, in Leningrad, we also communicated with each other with a fair share of Matyuk. Obtaining a decent education is not prevented. Just age features, apparently. In general, among adults, the use of mat in certain situations, companies and life circumstances, I think is quite acceptable. Like it or not, idioms, and even such colorful ones as Russians, are not the worst part of linguistic culture, if you do not treat this very culture as the rules of behavior of a pioneer in the mausoleum ...
      2. Ytfluunu
        Ytfluunu 15 November 2013 21: 25
        +2
        schoolchildren’s mate is primitive to helplessness. so that the ears might fall away. from the mediocrity of using expressive vocabulary ...
        1. Uncle lee
          Uncle lee 16 November 2013 15: 02
          +7
          That's it ! The primitive is complete. They do not really know how to use foul language. My sidekick said: X .. they write through the net!
  27. artifox
    artifox 15 November 2013 10: 34
    +7
    To everyone who says: “Why write correctly, we’re not in the Russian language class,” I wish to meet a surgeon who will operate them with the words: “Why carefully cut and sew? We are not in cutting and sewing courses.”
  28. Sergey Medvedev
    Sergey Medvedev 15 November 2013 10: 37
    +2
    To the author plus. But, unfortunately, further the situation with literacy will only worsen. After all, the Russian language is no longer a compulsory subject in universities.
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  30. m_o_r_o
    m_o_r_o 15 November 2013 10: 49
    +3
    the expression "", "tan", "USA", etc., may be incorrect, but correct and capacious! soldier

    “Comrades officers, I ask you not to call them“ amy, ”they are very offended by this” ... (E.V. Evtukhovich, Lieutenant General)
  31. m_o_r_o
    m_o_r_o 15 November 2013 10: 51
    +2
    the expression "pi_dos", "pi_dostan", "SSh_P", etc., may be incorrect, but correct and capacious! soldier

    "Comrades officers, I ask you not to call the pi__ds" pi__dos ", they are very offended by this" ... (E.V. Evtukhovich, Lieutenant General)

    forgot about the filter)
  32. Baton
    Baton 15 November 2013 10: 54
    +2
    And, by the way, comrades Administrators / Moderators, is it possible to write spelling when writing comments, as, for example, this is done in the Word program. This would reduce the number of errors.
    1. artifox
      artifox 15 November 2013 11: 02
      +3
      I am not an administrator / moderator of course - but I will answer. On the server side, this is problematic - we write all the same in the client. But, as an option, I can suggest using Chrome - it has this feature built-in. maybe, of course, it already exists in other browsers - but I can only say for this one, since I use it.
      1. Bort radist
        Bort radist 15 November 2013 12: 59
        +1
        Quote: artifox
        maybe, of course, it is already in other browsers

        Mozila Firefox helps ++
    2. Ptah
      Ptah 15 November 2013 12: 10
      +1
      Quote: Baton
      Is it possible to write spelling when writing comments, as, for example, this is done in the Word program.

      I will add to the written "artifox". The site only publishes / hosts the transmitted it from your browser. And for the entire lexicon of the so-called. "Word filter" is IMPOSSIBLE to put. Search and install a plug-in (compatible) spellchecker app / extension for your browser.
      Itself, when I write on German or English sites, in order not to frankly be profane in front of the readers, I use "Word" and the "F7" button. First, I type, and then I transfer it to the form for sending.

      "In fact, it is bad for an intelligent person to speak ill - should be considered as indecent as not being able to read and write".
      /Anton Pavlovich Chekhov/
      1. Asgard
        Asgard 15 November 2013 15: 37
        +1
        Well, not so. The point is that our Mzog smuggles the whole lot of clothes and makes the clothes out of the noble bara ... we don’t have any lunch, the cocoons in the coconut are burnt in solve. Galvone, chopping and slapping bkvuy blyu on msete. In the past, the bkuvs can be sealed in a completely bosom, all-torn text reads without a brem.

        True, this can only be done in Russian, or you should think in Russian)))))
        If you think in the super-language Hebrew or English, then this will not work, and you will not succeed in bringing a readable look to nonsense))))

        I, too, have errors, I write from the phone, a lot, the text goes beyond perception .... so I think This is not critical .... and nitpicking)))
        1. Ptah
          Ptah 15 November 2013 17: 23
          +5
          Since when has Hebrew become a "superlanguage"? Maybe from the very days when he introduced such vulgarity as "Odessa fenya" into Russian? It is a lot of honor to call this collection of sounds similar to "Esperanto", an artificial (more precisely, planned) language, created by the Warsaw ophthalmologist Lazar Markovich Zamenhof in 1887, after ten years of work.
          As for the use of "smart", this is what I meant -
          tipskettle.blogspot.ru/2011/09/internet-explorer-9_30.html

          webrowser.ru/opera/proverka-pravopisaniya-v-brauzere-opera.html

          www.commix.ru/settings/proverka-orfografii-v-chrome-opera-firefox-ie.html

          And about what has been written and read, I’ll tell you this.
          In the elementary grades of the school with the Russian language (knowledge of the rules), everything was wonderful, but then the fervor disappeared somewhere to the 6-7th grade, the teacher could only mumble something to the questions. To write huge texts in exercises was also too lazy.
          At parents' meetings, the classroom teacher blamed her parents for not being able to answer, the home assignments were not completed in full, but when it comes to dictations and essays, it’s entirely "5".
          Parents answered - "we don't know, maybe because he reads a lot."
          And so, when the teacher in the 7th grade "set me on fire" right in the lesson with a thick book by A. Kazantsev "The Burning Island" on her knees, I understood everything herself. This is called visual memory. You can develop and "go out" in the assessments of the subject.
          Thus, what we read is stored forever! Without knowing a single rule (and to know them all is impossible (!!?), It is permissible to write quite correctly.

          "To handle language somehow means to think somehow: approximately, inaccurate, incorrect."

          / A.N. Tolstoy /
          1. Misantrop
            Misantrop 15 November 2013 17: 37
            +3
            Quote: Ptah
            In the elementary grades of the school with the Russian language (knowledge of the rules), everything was wonderful, but then the fervor disappeared somewhere to the 6-7th grade, the teacher could only mumble something to the questions. To write huge texts in exercises was also too lazy.
            At parents' meetings, the classroom teacher blamed her parents for not being able to answer, the home assignments were not completed in full, but when it comes to dictations and essays, it’s entirely "5".
            Parents answered - "we don't know, maybe because he reads a lot."
            As it is written about me ... lol drinks
            1. Ptah
              Ptah 15 November 2013 20: 29
              0
              Quote: Misantrop
              As it is written about me ...

              I also want to say when I sometimes meet your posts regarding the fleet. Much is known firsthand. fellow
              I was even in the submarine three times. Impressions?
              Not really ...... It’s tight, hot, stuffy, and when the imagination begins to play, it’s frankly scary.
              On the deck, above the waves, it is still more familiar, more spacious and "quieter". soldier hi drinks
  33. In the book
    In the book 15 November 2013 10: 55
    +7
    Thank you for the article. But, in my opinion, the problem is broader. Inability and ignorance of the language is only part of the problem. It is worth paying attention to the fact that in addition to the literacy of the population, erudition has also significantly decreased. My children, son and daughter graduated from school with honors, with gold medals, but it seems to me that they are sooooooo far from me, a graduate of a Soviet school in the late 70s with an average certificate score of 4,8 and not "approximate" winked behavior. And school and society cannot be blamed for this, although it is their fault in this. First of all, you have to blame yourself - the parents of these children.
    1. Setrac
      Setrac 15 November 2013 14: 36
      0
      Quote: Libr
      My children, son and daughter graduated from school with honors, with gold medals, but it seems to me that they are sooooooo far from me, a graduate of a Soviet school in the late 70s with an average grade of 4,8 and not "exemplary" behavior.

      It is natural, from the height of their age, youth seems to you not erudite, but when your children reach your age, they will be equally erudite.
  34. andruha70
    andruha70 15 November 2013 11: 23
    0
    about the Russian language - all this, of course, is good ... but here it is:
    So, it will immediately be clear that composite armor is steel sheets with ceramic or Kevlar layers. A composite - carbon fiber and Kevlar. In this case, I am not an expert, and I will only be glad if more knowledgeable comrades can correct me and enlighten me. I want to know the opinions of material experts.
    more knowledgeable comrades - answer? winked
    1. AlNikolaich
      AlNikolaich 15 November 2013 15: 32
      +5
      As a person related to construction materials, I want to note that the word "composite" is somewhat inapplicable. It is correct to use the word "composite" in both cases.
      Origin from the word composition. (Note: epoxy composition).
      Then the word was shortened to the short "composite".
      This refers to the structure obtained from molded porous material (fiberglass, carbon fabric, carbon nanotubes, aerosil, wood ...), saturated with a polymer or other filler (synthetic resin, polymer, varnish ...). May include heterogeneous materials, metal additives, reinforcement, etc. The peculiarity of composite materials is in properties different from those of their components taken separately.
      So, in principle, both plywood is composite, and bakelite, and with a stretch of reinforced concrete ...
      1. andruha70
        andruha70 15 November 2013 18: 54
        0
        As a person related to structural materials,
        thank you for clarification hi
        1. SPLV
          16 November 2013 00: 37
          0
          I join in the gratitude. Stirlitz was right - only the last phrase is remembered.
  35. Oleg56.ru
    Oleg56.ru 15 November 2013 11: 23
    +2
    I barely taught my son to chat with friends in the "correct" Russian language. fellow
    1. Proud.
      Proud. 15 November 2013 11: 53
      +2
      Quote: Oleg56.ru
      I barely taught my son to chat with friends in the "correct" Russian language.

      My son is in the 10th grade. Even in the 9th, he insistently recommended that he read the texts aloud. For a better perception. It was good.
    2. Fobos-grunt
      Fobos-grunt 15 November 2013 16: 44
      +2
      +10000 !!!! even 1000 for a son !!
      Cossack family dumb translation !!!
  36. dengy12
    dengy12 15 November 2013 11: 28
    -7
    Quote: Asgard
    That is, the World was created by the WORD, originally Russian, so We Are Creators ..

    I laugh nimaga patstalom fool
    1. Asgard
      Asgard 15 November 2013 15: 55
      +1
      Yes, the lack of education manifests itself clinically)))))
      Wait, we speak Soviet, to speak Russian (the conventional name of the language is well-established)) we need to add a few more letters, sounds and rules)))
      Quote: dengy12
      I laugh nimaga patstalom

      So you are a fan of Petrosyan (all neigh)))
      If you don’t stop laughing ....
      Then your next state is Monkey ....

      By the way, a good example, how do you think where this word came from ???
      ObrazBEZ-YANA ... I heard about the Russian round square ??? The Buddhists are male-yan and female-yin .....
      You’ll watch a lot of TV, drink beer and read a little .........
      and write illiterate letters as under my posts))))
      then Yan will leave you and you will not notice how you turn into an IMAGE without Yan ....
      This is the match, of which you did not even guess))))Yin Yang
      1. Pinochet000
        Pinochet000 15 November 2013 21: 57
        +2
        Quote: Asgard
        ObrazBEZ-YANA.

        The past has already passed.
        The present is what I'm standing on now.
        The future will be me.
        The phrase becomes clear: "You said in Russian!"
  37. Leader
    Leader 15 November 2013 11: 31
    +3
    Thanks to the author for the article!
    However, it is too late ... irrelevant, so to speak. Yesterday I found out: a course of literature is practically withdrawn from the program of St. Petersburg University of the Humanities; instead of 160h. - will be 8h. (the numbers may not be accurate, but the order is 20 times ...).
    "The country of thieves, the country of lords ...", and those, for the most part, are uneducated and uncultured.
    It seems to me that Russia is no longer there. So, one appearance - while oil is still oozing ...
  38. Leader
    Leader 15 November 2013 11: 31
    0
    Thanks to the author for the article!
    However, it is too late ... irrelevant, so to speak. Yesterday I found out: a course of literature is practically withdrawn from the program of St. Petersburg University of the Humanities; instead of 160h. - will be 8h. (the numbers may not be accurate, but the order is 20 times ...).
    "The country of thieves, the country of lords ...", and those, for the most part, are uneducated and uncivilized b ... dlo.
    It seems to me that Russia is no longer there. So, one appearance - while oil is still oozing ...
  39. maestro123
    maestro123 15 November 2013 11: 40
    +6
    Author's words: Why do many “gentlemen officers” allow themselves to leave comments of this kind, showing their low level of politeness and literacy?

    Arriving in the army as a lieutenant, for the first time he heard mate through the mat before the formation from one gray-haired major, he was a deputy in educational work. He said this: b..t .... on ... st, b ... st. At first it was wild for me, but after two years of service, I myself spoke like that.

    As in a joke:
    The general comes and sees the soldier clean his boots with red cream.
    - Why do you clean your boots with red cream?
    - This is not you .... t, Comrade General!
    - How are you talking !? Answer as it should!
    - Comrade General, the black cream is over, nowhere else, they found only red. . .
    - But it’s not me ..... t!
    “I told you so right away!”
  40. bubla5
    bubla5 15 November 2013 11: 48
    +6
    It would be funny if it were not so sad. A graduate of a prestigious university was given a caliper to measure the diameter of the shaft, after 10 minutes everyone fell out of laughter, and so he measured the diameter as a ruler. Check it yourself.
  41. dengy12
    dengy12 15 November 2013 11: 56
    -7
    Quote: Asgard
    The world was created by the WORD, originally Russian

    I laugh nimaga patstolom
    so you respected agree to the fact that Christ was Russian ...
    1. Setrac
      Setrac 15 November 2013 14: 45
      +4
      Quote: dengy12
      so you respected agree to the fact that Christ was Russian ...

      And you read the Bible. There is clearly not Palestine described and not the Middle East and Egypt. Rather, the northern Black Sea or lower Volga. There was a Khazar Kaganate, quite real in contrast to mythical Egypt, from where the Jews were expelled, a very real state where Jews ruled, although they were not the titular nation.
  42. dengy12
    dengy12 15 November 2013 11: 56
    -1
    Quote: Asgard
    The world was created by the WORD, originally Russian

    I laugh nimaga patstolom
    so you respected agree to the fact that Christ was Russian ...
    1. avg
      avg 15 November 2013 13: 10
      +1
      so you respected agree to the fact that Christ was Russian ...

      Christ was created by Russian! sad
    2. Asgard
      Asgard 15 November 2013 16: 04
      +2
      The Gospel of Andrew the First-Called ...
      "Asked Andrew, His disciple:" What nations should carry the good news about the Kingdom of Heaven? "
      Jesus answered: “Go to the nations of the east, to the nations of the west, to the nations of the south,
      to where the sons of the house of Israel live. Do not go to the Gentiles of the North, for they are sinless and do not know the vices and sins of the house of Israel. "..
      Quote: dengy12
      I laugh nimaga patstolom
      so you respected agree to the fact that Christ was Russian ...


      Дbut Christ would not say so)))))))
      at least one would have to come ........
  43. lexe
    lexe 15 November 2013 12: 11
    +2
    With technological development, the language loses its sharpness, meaning ... simply because of the ambitiousness of scientists who strive to call everything new by their name (they will assert themselves in history). In addition, there is a country in the world-USA where most of these scientists and inventions are given quite simple names from the great and mighty — no, I didn’t mean the Russian language.)
    And so we are gradually moving to a linguistic vinaigrette. But the word should hurt ... leave a mark, give the most capacious and accurate description of actions. And because of this linguistic cosmopolitanism, people begin to lose meaning in many things, turning into plankton.
    What is the solution? Yes, to throw out all meanings from scientific disciplines and replace them with a more understandable Russian language (with regards to us Russians), achieving a gradual convergence of imagery and accuracy, characteristic of literature and mathematics.
    BUT this requires the development of the Russian language, the basis for which will always be the language of our ancestors, this is a kind of revolution ... and in the interests of development and progress. And then every language on the planet will be unique and invaluable, and such a thing as nationalism will take on a new meaning in connection with the inevitability of human development through self-knowledge of every nation!
    And maybe then we will rethink many literary works in a new way? After all, the measure of everything on earth among people is their language and emotions — and they are different for different nations and each nation is unique.
  44. lexe
    lexe 15 November 2013 12: 11
    0
    With technological development, the language loses its sharpness, meaning ... simply because of the ambitiousness of scientists who strive to call everything new by their name (they will assert themselves in history). In addition, there is a country in the world-USA where most of these scientists and inventions are given quite simple names from the great and mighty — no, I didn’t mean the Russian language.)
    And so we are gradually moving to a linguistic vinaigrette. But the word should hurt ... leave a mark, give the most capacious and accurate description of actions. And because of this linguistic cosmopolitanism, people begin to lose meaning in many things, turning into plankton.
    What is the solution? Yes, to throw out all meanings from scientific disciplines and replace them with a more understandable Russian language (with regards to us Russians), achieving a gradual convergence of imagery and accuracy, characteristic of literature and mathematics.
    BUT this requires the development of the Russian language, the basis for which will always be the language of our ancestors, this is a kind of revolution ... and in the interests of development and progress. And then every language on the planet will be unique and invaluable, and such a thing as nationalism will take on a new meaning in connection with the inevitability of human development through self-knowledge of every nation!
    And maybe then we will rethink many literary works in a new way? After all, the measure of everything on earth among people is their language and emotions — and they are different for different nations and each nation is unique.
  45. Witch
    Witch 15 November 2013 12: 26
    +1
    Not in the eyebrow, but in the eye!
    Great article ...
  46. s.lekomtseff
    s.lekomtseff 15 November 2013 12: 32
    +3
    Like mouth rosy without a smile,
    No grammatical error
    I do not like Russian speech ..... wink
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  48. Ivan_Ivanov
    Ivan_Ivanov 15 November 2013 12: 33
    +5
    I absolutely agree with the author that the education is in a very poor state. Nowhere is this more noticeable than in Ukraine.

    On the other hand, Our country is large and plentiful. In different places, in different territories, regions and districts, there have always existed and exist differences in the pronunciation of words, in the words themselves. Local dialects exist.
    In the south of Russia, oh, sorry, in the south of Ukraine in the Kherson, Nikolaev, Odessa regions they say, for example, not "there", but "out"; not "here", but "alongside". This sounds somewhat unusual and even funny. But all this is the local dialect of the Russian language.
    And the Internet is also such a "locality" where there are dialects and differences from the literary language.
    It’s not necessary to make fun of these dialects. It only annoys and embitters people. Language develops, among other things, due to dialects.

    You just need to qualitatively, well study, teach LITERARY RUSSIAN language in schools.

    Please do not confuse LITERACY with a DIALECT.
  49. Clueless
    Clueless 15 November 2013 12: 45
    -8
    How am I wretched now to write comments on this resource after such an article? For a lot of mind is not necessary to take and dip people reading and posting their comments on the site.

    It's one thing when people write "in Albanian", another thing when they make mistakes. Dear author, you probably (I just want to swear at you) are not aware that not everyone could study at school perfectly well, someone out of laziness, someone else had other circumstances, and someone else was not taught Russian at school. etc. Are you asking us now illiterates to go back to school? To match your education? I just want to answer you again with obscenities :)

    I don’t know how you are respected, but personally, when I see opponents who start poking an interlocutor into mistakes, I send him in three letters, if I don’t understand, then I’ll hit the face. For people need to be respected, and not shown what you are super smart intellectuals.
    1. Z.A.M.
      Z.A.M. 15 November 2013 14: 28
      +8
      Quote: Bad
      I don’t know how you are respected, but personally, when I see opponents who start poking the interlocutor into mistakes, then I send it in three letters, if I do not understand, then I hit the face. For people must be respected and not show what you are super smart intellectuals.
      request

      If, after reading this article, such conclusions, then ... maybe through a joke it will work better?

      Extract from the medical record: "There are no mental illnesses. It's just a d.rak."
    2. SPLV
      16 November 2013 01: 04
      +1
      Napoleon said more than two hundred years ago: "This is worse than a crime, this is a mistake." There are professions in which everything depends on accuracy. I don’t think that you would be happy if, when calculating your salary, the accountant would move the comma in the amount for you a couple of characters to the left. Let me explain - I wrote not to "poke" into mistakes, but so that people would pay attention to what they consider unimportant and insignificant.
      In the 1980s, the Australian cartoon "In 80 Days Around the World" was shown on Soviet screens. Each episode contained some motto, and I remember one of them from childhood: "Life is a chain, and the little things in it are links. You cannot but attach importance to a link!"
      And to beat the face ... In Azimov something like this: "Fists are the last means of persuading incompetent people." More and more often I admit myself incompetent lately. hi
  50. avg
    avg 15 November 2013 13: 05
    0
    So, I know that in classical Russian there is no prefix of roses as such, and therefore I always write not bottling, but spilling.

    But in this moment, well, I do not agree with the author. Lenin, maybe in the Razliv, but a beer - only in bottling. drinks
    1. corn
      corn 15 November 2013 21: 30
      +2
      On tap, as well as on tap