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By 2017, NASA plans to abandon flights on Russian Soyuz

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NASA plans to abandon the services of Roskosmos for the delivery of astronauts to the ISS. The function of the Soyuz will be performed by a new American manned ship, the first flight of which will take place in 2017. Until that time, international crews will continue to ascend into the Soyuz orbit. Experts estimate that one place on the Russian ship costs the US 65 million dollars.


The director of the US space agency, Charles Bolden, has announced the acceptance of applications from commercial firms that are ready to start building a manned spacecraft. Participation in the program has already been confirmed by companies such as SpaceX and Orbital Sciences. For the development of new NASA spacecraft for the 2014 fiscal year, 2,7 is planning to spend a billion dollars. The project, based on a public-private partnership, will be half funded from the state budget.

In 2012-2013, SpaceX twice launched the world's only private, reusable Dragon cargo ship to the ISS. The launch into orbit was carried out with the aid of the Falcon-9 rocket, reminds ITAR-TASS. The contract with NASA assumes that Dragon will make another 10 cargo flights to the ISS.
Orbital Sciences, in turn, launched a Cygnus truck to the ISS, lifted into orbit with the help of Antares carrier. In the next three years, Sugnus will make eight more flights to the International Station.

Charles Bolden said that now that the US cargo ship is secured, a new phase must begin, involving the transportation of people. SpaceX and Orbital Sciences have already begun to develop manned versions of their transport workers - they will be used to deliver astronauts to the ISS and, possibly, for space travel.

The corporations Lockheed Martin and Boeing are working on the creation of a new Orion spacecraft that will be used for flights to deep space. In particular, it can help expeditions to Mars and to asteroids.
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  1. Airman
    Airman 14 November 2013 11: 00
    +3
    While there were none, we flew to the Unions, it is cheaper to pay with candy wrappers. And during this time, developments were going on for new ships. I think that ours has got its own new developments during this time.
    1. Tersky
      Tersky 14 November 2013 11: 11
      +7
      Quote: Povshnik
      While there were none, we flew to the Unions

      So they, the path indirectly, but continue to fly on them. The Orbital Sciences carrier rocket has two stages, 40 meters in length, and is designed to launch Signus spacecraft. The first stage of the launch vehicle uses upgraded the engines of the H-1 rocket, which sent Soviet spacecraft to the moon. wink
    2. ShturmKGB
      ShturmKGB 14 November 2013 11: 13
      +8
      Roscosmos has no ambitious programs, they are trying too hard ... we need a breakthrough, we need new ideas, we need a new Korolev!
      1. leon-iv
        leon-iv 14 November 2013 11: 23
        +9
        We google the xenon-thrust nuclear engine. We study turnip scales.
        1. Yuri Y.
          Yuri Y. 14 November 2013 12: 46
          +3
          Quote: Povshnik
          While there were none, we flew to the Unions

          That's right, they did not say that they would always fly to the Unions. They had a miscalculation which they decide in the working order. And in our (Soviet) Union, the right direction was taken tongue . Now in Russia in the same working order
          need to develop further. Well, something is being done, we don’t know everything. For example
          Quote: leon-iv
          We google the xenon-thrust nuclear engine. We study turnip scales.
        2. ansons
          ansons 14 November 2013 16: 30
          0
          Many thanks. I read, looked no words good
      2. saber
        saber 14 November 2013 15: 16
        +1
        We need a new Beria!
        1. kafa
          kafa 14 November 2013 16: 38
          0
          go bro save the empire find the girl close up the bezier ... we do not traverse me and laurence ....
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        3. alone
          alone 14 November 2013 21: 50
          +2
          Quote: Saber
          We need a new Beria!


          But does Beria need all this? he would rather ask him to be shot again when he sees what they once turned into a huge country.
      3. hrych
        hrych 14 November 2013 18: 13
        11
        Rocket building reached its limit during the life of Korolev and Glushko, those subsequent failures with N-1 missiles, once again talk about this when the size and weight limits of this type of transport were outlined. It’s not quite so old, even under the USSR, like the Americans checked the deadlock shuttle path, they did a super rocket to understand that it was impossible to work with it (Energy), they again came to the conclusion that there was no alternative to the Union and Proton. Unlike the staff, who until the end clung to the shuttles, until they began to fall apart. Now there is a new overclocking unit on Proton - Breeze, plus the transition to digital control of proven hard workers, well, the launch of which, as expected, was given through the loss of ships. This is not a problem of Roscosmos, but the problem of reaching the limit. In aviation, or rather, in the speed of such a limit, devices such as the BlackBird have reached, when the glider does not withstand and the pilot's lamp begins to melt. In civil aviation, such a limit is Concord and Tu-144, they were also made 50 years ago, and they also had to be abandoned. A breakthrough into rocket science is not possible; we need apparatuses based on other physical principles.
    3. Siberian German
      Siberian German 14 November 2013 21: 08
      0
      and I already wrote - they raped us, they paid us a penny for delivery, and the money released from the shuttle program was sent to create new ships - it does not seem to you that we were simply taken
  2. svp67
    svp67 14 November 2013 11: 01
    0
    The Soyuz function will be performed by a new American manned spacecraft, the maiden flight of which will take place in 2017.
    Expected, but most importantly, what should we do now? Give up everything and calm down or roll up your sleeves to work and work on creating your new rockets and spaceships to replace the Soyuz
    1. leon-iv
      leon-iv 14 November 2013 11: 23
      +1
      So work for a long time.
      1. Airman
        Airman 14 November 2013 15: 40
        +1
        Quote: leon-iv
        So work for a long time.

        They have been working for a long time, but something new developments have not been seen for a long time.
  3. left-wing
    left-wing 14 November 2013 11: 04
    0
    Well, let's see what they have there by the 17th year. Maybe they will run again with their tail in Roskosmos
    1. ZU-23
      ZU-23 14 November 2013 12: 45
      0
      I also don’t believe in American space technologies so much, if they hadn’t spoiled our life, the Russian flag would have already stood on Mars, and now Roscosmos is not standing still, money is being invested controlled so we are waiting for new successes.
      1. Nayhas
        Nayhas 14 November 2013 13: 46
        +4
        Quote: ZU-23
        Also, I don’t believe in American space technology so much,

        Yes, please do not believe. It makes them neither cold nor hot.
        1. Papakiko
          Papakiko 14 November 2013 23: 35
          -1
          Quote: Nayhas
          Yes, please do not believe. It makes them neither cold nor hot.

          Do you sincerely believe in this cartoon?
          Sound like Proton taking off.
          Flames are like from a lit cigarette.
          In childhood, apparently they did not deal with rackets and pyrotechnics, so blindly believe in everything shown. Including flights to the moon. Over the past 41 years, more than once, no one flew to the moon, and the racquets with drawings evaporated. Tell me what is the reason?
          Oh yes, also about PRIVATE space companies.
          For parallels Private armies (G4S, Formerly the company was called Blackwater, then Xe Services. Now Academi, etc.)
  4. ed65b
    ed65b 14 November 2013 11: 09
    +3
    and not the fact that they will fly on a private trader, life is above all. 2 starts is nothing. and in the event of a catastrophe with the crew on board the company will come before the wreckage reaches the ground. And yet, ours is worth hurrying, for nothing lasts forever under the moon. Rogozin, pop the Roskosmos.
  5. Daniil
    Daniil 14 November 2013 11: 12
    0
    All the best!!! The main thing is that we have new spaceships being developed ... PS Amer is not profitable to finance our economy.
  6. major071
    major071 14 November 2013 11: 15
    +5
    Giving 65 million dollars for one astronaut to us, the USA saved and was slowly developing its space carriers. It is possible that by the 2017 year something will be drawn from them, but I am not very sure of this, in view of the reduction in financing of almost all sectors. We still have time and we need to make sure that all US initiatives are empty by this time. Further, all questions only to our designers and the government. soldier
  7. fzr1000
    fzr1000 14 November 2013 11: 24
    +2
    At our last MAKS, we had a full-size model of a new ship.
    1. kartalovkolya
      kartalovkolya 14 November 2013 12: 42
      +1
      And it pleases: there is still gunpowder in the flasks and as they used to say in the old days "the wind in your sails"!
  8. makarov
    makarov 14 November 2013 11: 38
    +2
    Well then, you won’t be forcibly sweet. Let them learn to fly on a broomstick.
    1. Nayhas
      Nayhas 14 November 2013 13: 47
      0
      Quote: makarov
      Let them learn to fly on a broomstick.

      No, on "Grasshopper" ...
  9. kafa
    kafa 14 November 2013 11: 45
    +2
    as the ancient astronauts said: - less people more oxygen smile
  10. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 14 November 2013 12: 37
    +2
    Hello everybody hi

    I do not think this news surprised anyone. But I doubt that by 2017 they will solder something capable of putting LIVE people into orbit smile
    They seem to be unable to finish the oxygen system on the F-22 yet.
  11. kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 14 November 2013 12: 40
    0
    Well, by 2017 they will abandon the Unions, and we will probably have to abandon the ISS and launch our own something cooler as we can! And enough to supply the Yusovites with our engines, they themselves do not really know how (especially this class) !
    1. Aljavad
      Aljavad 15 November 2013 02: 00
      0
      See http://www.vesti.ru/videos?vid=548011&cid=10
      very elegant, useful and economical.
  12. Bashkaus
    Bashkaus 14 November 2013 13: 29
    +4
    US Space Director Charles Bolden announces acceptance of applications from commercial firms ready to tackle the construction of a manned spacecraft
    Something confuses me a little with this phrase, "they are looking for firms ready to start construction", I just took a CNC machine and forward, in 3 years I will build a rocket in my barn, even though according to ready-made drawings, to these guys just did someone explain that is a process chain?
    Let's honestly say that they build a good mine as usual with a bad game and, as always, win in any situation
    1st option, by 2017 there is no USA or at least just a dough for flights, and as they say there is no USA or dough, so there are no flights. In this case, the Americans will say that they warned us in advance.
    The second option, in 2, it is planned to begin flight testing of the promising multi-pink apparatus of Energy, so by this time we will already begin to abandon the Unions, and the Americans are white and fluffy on a white horse - well, we said, the Russians stopped flying in the Unions, not shall we awaken them separately for ourselves to continue to build?
    [media = http: //topwar.ru/uploads/posts/2012-12/1356819870_ppts-1.jpg]
    1. Nayhas
      Nayhas 14 November 2013 13: 50
      +1
      Quote: Bashkaus
      Something I am a little confused by this phrase, "looking for firms ready to engage in construction"

      You simply do not know about the progress of trials with private companies. SpaceX has already sent cargoes to the ISS on the Dragon spacecraft on its Falcon. They are now finalizing the Falcon9 heavy rocket and will already send people.
  13. Nayhas
    Nayhas 14 November 2013 14: 01
    +2
    Here is a collection of skeptics. The private space program in the USA has been operating for a long time. The greatest success was achieved by SpaceX, which developed the Falcon 1 and Falcon 9 and the spacecraft Dragon, which had already flown to the ISS with cargo. The fact that by 2017. will be able to send a person into space, there is no particular doubt.
    1. Aljavad
      Aljavad 15 November 2013 02: 06
      +1
      Solidarity 100%! Space technologies in the style of von Braun have ceased to be "a secret behind 7 seals". Orbital manned flight is ONLY a matter of money. The question is: how to do it more economically and than the shuttle and than the Union.
      1. Cynic
        Cynic 15 November 2013 17: 45
        0
        Quote: Aljavad
        Space technology in von Braun style

        Is it in his style?
        Surnames Goddard and Obert tell you anything?
        yes
  14. And Us Rat
    And Us Rat 14 November 2013 14: 16
    +5
    Quote: DaniiL
    All the best!!! The main thing is that we have new spaceships being developed ... PS Amer is not profitable to finance our economy.


    Ohhh ... Captain evidence! Himself lol

    But seriously - apparently, the priorities of the countries have changed, space manned programs (among the Yusovites, among others) were heavily shredded compared to the last century. It seems to me that everyone is waiting, waiting for a breakthrough from scientists on fundamentally new propulsion systems, every kilogram put into orbit is too expensive today.
    1. ed65b
      ed65b 14 November 2013 14: 52
      0
      Quote: And Us Rat
      It seems to me that everyone is waiting, waiting for a breakthrough from scientists on fundamentally new motor systems,

      It’s not they who teleport a master. Times and the ISS, once on Mars. laughing
      1. Cynic
        Cynic 14 November 2013 17: 51
        0
        Quote: ed65b
        They are not a teleportator.

        Yes, about the space elevator is just a hint. A more economical real way to deliver cargo into orbit is not found.
        1. Aljavad
          Aljavad 15 November 2013 02: 09
          0
          Yeah. What next? Half solution.
          Everyone says: "on different physical principles"
    2. Cynic
      Cynic 14 November 2013 18: 00
      0
      Quote: And Us Rat
      everyone is waiting, waiting for a breakthrough from scientists on fundamentally new motor systems

      What a breakthrough? Everything has been known for a long time.
      Here is the embodiment of life _ there so far only engines for interplanetary flights are drawn, not for takeoffs.
  15. Andrey Peter
    Andrey Peter 14 November 2013 14: 26
    +2
    When you read such news it becomes insulting for our "Buran". How much has been invested in it and all "down the drain." In the United States, there are already private reusable ships. Maybe it's time to take advantage of our old developments, because they surpassed then the state "Shuttle"
    1. kafa
      kafa 14 November 2013 14: 45
      +2
      still like ours on the machine flew and theirs on the handle
      1. Aljavad
        Aljavad 15 November 2013 02: 16
        +1
        Now the X-47 can fly automatically. Reusable, unmanned and not giant at all. As an orbiter for Project Spiral.
    2. Aljavad
      Aljavad 15 November 2013 02: 14
      0
      So "thanks" to Ustinov! "We will not be engaged in science fiction, so do it like in the USA!"
      So they did it, and even better, but why on earth is he so huge for us? It is a pity and work and ideas and resources, and most importantly - time was killed on him. He was handsome, and clever (Buran), but not needed initially. An idiotic decision smug senility.
      1. hrych
        hrych 15 November 2013 04: 35
        +2
        The fact was that the collective farmers from the Politburo were afraid that such apparatuses could dive into the atmosphere over our territory, bomb out and leave it again, so they rushed to waste billions of money on monkey farming. True, Columbia has shown that such devices can only dive into the ocean.
  16. kafa
    kafa 14 November 2013 14: 30
    0
    private traders will soon be like taxi drivers and so much on the American accent. it’s not expensive to Mars quite a bistro a marching route leaves from the Zhirinovsky metro line next Washington radiala then darling you are my ripe fresh birch mars vnukovo terminal si laughing
  17. Kowalsky
    Kowalsky 14 November 2013 18: 58
    +1
    Given the current budget situation, they will ditch the Soyuz, but use the new Russian ship.
  18. And Us Rat
    And Us Rat 14 November 2013 21: 41
    +2
    Quote: Andrey Peter
    When you read such news it becomes insulting for our "Buran". How much has been invested in it and everything "down the drain." In the United States, there are already private reusable ships.


    You miss the point! They push space into the commercial sector - and technology is open, because:
    The more players - the more competition - the lower the price - less budget expenditure.
    In the commercial sector, the industry is able to self-sustain and develop without a kick acceleration from the state. They are very competent. Since only the commercial sector is capable of a qualitative leap in an area that a planned monopoly (state) is not capable of

    Quote: Andrey Peter
    Maybe it's time to take advantage of our old developments, because they surpassed then the state "Shuttle"


    It is also time to raise the private INDEPENDENT cosmonautics sector and stimulate it for new developments and inventions that should be SIMPLER, CHEAPER and, at the same time, RELIABLE and EFFICIENT And not dream of the super-expensive technologies of yesterday, which were already written off in other places.
  19. studentmati
    studentmati 14 November 2013 22: 04
    +1
    They have everything going according to plan! ... The main thing is that Russia invests oil revenues in time on Fed receipts on time! am
  20. voliador
    voliador 14 November 2013 22: 57
    0
    And we would remember how to run old systems. And then after a time fall. By the way, Concord was abandoned due to the high cost of tickets, and not because the glass melted.
    1. hrych
      hrych 15 November 2013 04: 33
      +2
      In Concord and Tu-144, the limit was reached not in speed (it is not beyond), but in the size of a jet plane, where I had to have huge gluttonous engines, a huge amount of fuel. As a passenger plane, it should have a cabin with rows of seats, a certain form of a glider, which made it unstable at low speeds (during takeoff and landing, which on military giants like the Tu-160, is achieved by changing the geometry of the wing), the need to lower and raise the nose. All these nuances led to terrible accidents of our aircraft, and later Concord. If it weren’t for disaster, we would never have abandoned the Anglo-French brand, which America could not do, and the USSR had left the topic earlier. The cost of tickets is not the main thing (only rich people always flew on it), it’s another matter that after the last disaster, when an unfortunate piece of iron broke through a tank (again, due to the weight saving of tanks made of thin metal) there simply weren’t anyone who wanted to end their lives for their money .
  21. MolGro
    MolGro 15 November 2013 06: 32
    0
    Little is known about the design of a nuclear engine or nuclear installation!
    the only thing that is known is that the work is going on, but our designers are used to playing silence.
    Here are the shallow facts that leaked

    http://www.rosatom.ru/journalist/smiarchive/first2012/add18a804aafbb8c920dbec1a4

    1a6ef6

    http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/29311/

    http://kerc.msk.ru/%D1%84%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%BE-%D0%B8-%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%B

    E/%D0%BC%D0%B0%D0%BA%D1%81-2013

    http://www.fakel-russia.com/research.html

    http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/4948/66158206ce0.jpg
    etc.