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Vladimir Putin in Vietnam and South Korea: and return to Cam Ranh, and the abolition of visas

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A large-scale overseas tour of the Russian president takes place this week. The first point of the route was designated Vietnam, where on Tuesday Vladimir Putin arrived to meet with Vietnamese President Truong Tan Shang.


The official visit of the Russian leader to Hanoi was timed to the opening of the Days of Russian Culture in the Socialist Republic of Vietnam (this is the full name of Vietnam, making everyone understand that today not only states remain on the world map, but also very successfully develop states with a socialist management model).

Putin’s visit to Hanoi was announced, and the main highlight of all the announcements was that the meeting of the Russian and Vietnamese president could conclude agreements on the entry of the Socialist Republic of Vietnam into the Customs Union, which so far consists of Russia, Belarus and Kazakhstan. This was talked about both in Russia and in Vietnam, emphasizing that the current level of trade between our countries should be significantly increased, since it does not meet the interests of the economies. At the end of 2012, the volume of trade between the Russian Federation and SRV amounted to 3,66 billion dollars (according to information provided by the Russian economic bloc of the government) and 2,45 billion dollars (according to data sounded by the President of Vietnam). Despite the significant discrepancies in the estimates of trade, the leaders did not join the discussion on this issue, but decided that it was necessary to start an economic convergence that could bring mutual trade volumes to the 10 level of billions of dollars by the 2020 year.

The economic rapprochement should be expressed in the creation of a free trade zone between the Russia-Belarus-Kazakhstan trophy and Vietnam and the simultaneous entry of the Socialist Republic of Vietnam into the Customs Union. Negotiations on this topic between representatives of the CU and official Hanoi have already started, and if they do not keep up with the planned schedule, then the end of the negotiation process should be expected in 2014 year. This, in particular, said Truong Tan Shang.

Vladimir Putin in Vietnam and South Korea: and return to Cam Ranh, and the abolition of visas

Vladimir Putin and Truong Tan Shang


If we talk about the economic contacts of today's day, then it should be noted that the main inflow of Russian investments in Vietnam falls on the energy sector - more than 1,5 billion dollars. This, as the leaders considered, is not enough, and cooperation needs to be developed. There are starting points for development. This is the tourism industry (in 2012, the number of Russian tourists visiting the NRW was about twice as large as in 2011 — according to Vladimir Putin). And besides, it is an export to Vietnam of Russia weapons. In recent years, Vietnam has become one of the three largest importers of Russian weapons and military equipment.

It was with the development of cooperation in the military-technical sphere that one of the negotiation lines between the presidents was connected. It's about a procurement contract for a Vietnamese military fleet diesel submarines of project 636 "Varshavyanka". The first submarine has already been transferred to the Vietnamese fleet last week. In total, Vietnam plans to purchase 6 of these submarines from Russia. It is noteworthy that Russian-made submarines are going to be based in the port of Kamran - the very one where, until 2002, the Russian military base was located. Recall that in 2001 the Russian authorities decided not to renew the lease with Hanoi, since, according to the then Foreign Minister Igor Ivanov, for more than ten years the Russian fleet had not used the services of the naval base (naval base) in Kamrani and did not go to the Indian Ocean. Today it’s coming out, and therefore it’s possible to use it ... Perhaps that is why the word “Kamran” again appeared in the speeches of representatives of the Russian authorities.

After the meeting of the two presidents, it became known that in Kamrani it was decided to open a military-technical base, where repair and maintenance of warships of various projects and modifications will be carried out. Russian specialists will also be connected to the work of the military-technical base. This information instills a certain optimism and allows us to allow a cautious judgment that Russia returns to Cam Ranh a decade later. Of course, it is too early to talk about the opening of a full-fledged Russian naval base here (in the Vietnamese port of Cam Ranh), but the first step has been taken. The likelihood of the next steps is also great, especially considering that Vietnam in the near future may find itself in a single trade and economic field with Russia and its other closest partners - Kazakhstan and Belarus. This probability is also great because today Vietnam needs a strong ally due to the increasing influence of China in the region. Russia may well play the role of such an ally - an ally, not to oppose China (openly ally with someone against China today is more expensive), but an ally who, by its presence in the region, can cool excessively hotheads (even Chinese -or else). Well, in fact, it’s not just the Vietnamese who remember very well how the star-striped people "helped" their country ... not the Americans, in fact, invite Americans ... Half the world, the phrase "American allies" pushes at least to the urge to vomiting

In addition to the agreements on the opening of the military-technical base in Cam Ranh (agreement on military cooperation between the Russian Federation and Vietnam) and the start of active work on the incorporation of the Socialist Republic of Vietnam into the Customs Union, the Russian and Vietnamese parties signed a number of other documents. Highlight some of them.

For example, a memorandum has been prepared between Rosneft and PetroVietnam, an oil and gas company of Vietnam, on mutual understanding regarding the possible acquisition of a stake in the Production Sharing Agreement regarding the 15-1 / 05 block on the continental shelf of the Socialist Republic of Vietnam.

Memorandum on the development of cooperation in the framework of the project of IC Rusvietpetro LLC between JSC Zarubezhneft and PetroVietnam.

Agreement between OAO Gazprom and PetroVietnam on the establishment of a joint company for the production of gas engine fuel in the Socialist Republic of Vietnam.

Thus, Rosneft has the opportunity to work on two fields of the Vietnamese shelf. Gazprom Neft acquired a stake in 49% of the Dung Quat refinery from the Vietnamese side.

In addition, a cooperation agreement was signed between Uralvagonzavod and the Vietnamese-Russian bank. The open part of the contract is the construction of railcars for NRW. Closed part of the contract - ... (for that it is closed).

And also - agreements in the educational and medical fields, law enforcement and accreditation policy. Total - 18 agreements. One of the most noteworthy documents was the document regulating cooperation between the Research Institute of the Rubber Industry of the Russian Federation and the Ho Chi Minh Mausoleum Management Committee. This document contains information, quotation "on the transfer of technology for the production of rubberized fabric based on Vietnamese silk and special overalls from it." Honestly, it is not entirely clear why this issue reached such a high level (they discussed it during the meeting of the presidents) ... But this, as they say, is different история.

After visiting Vietnam, Vladimir Putin went to the Republic of Korea (South Korea). Here the Russian president met with President Park Geun-hye. Here we are also talking about trade and economic cooperation between the two countries. South Korea, of course, is not knocking on the Customs Union, but there are enough reasons for increasing the trade turnover between the Russian Federation and the Republic of Korea.


Vladimir Putin and Pak Geun-hye


One of the possible areas of cooperation is the investment of Seoul in the construction of the Russian Vostochny cosmodrome near Uglegorsk (Priamurye). President Putin called on Korean business to participate in a large and profitable construction project.
In addition, an important component of the visit was the discussion of the start of construction of a gas pipeline that will connect Russia and South Korea. Putin proposed to the Korean colleague two options for construction: on the bottom of the sea and through the territory of the DPRK. The first, as Putin noted, is complicated and expensive, the second is ideal, if you just put the political problems out of the picture ... Plans for gas supplies to South Korea are 12 billion cubic meters of “blue fuel” per year.

Interestingly, before the start of Vladimir Putin’s visit to Seoul, some South Korean newspapers came out with articles in which the expression “ruler of the modern world” is applied to Putin, and, interestingly, without any irony. After these South Korean epithets, our president’s main thing is not to fall into euphoria, but to work in a productive manner ... It should be noted that the same South Korean publications emphasized the priority of Putin’s visit to Seoul, not to Pyongyang ... Now it remains to hope that Kim Jong-un it will not cause an “uncontrolled” reaction.

At a meeting with South Korean President Park Geun-hye, who, incidentally, is Putin’s age, discussed the fight against terrorism, the process of eliminating chemical weapons in Syria and agreed to abolish visas between Russia and the Republic of Korea. Naturally, it was a question of a peaceful settlement on the Korean Peninsula, and Vladimir Putin called for the early resumption of the six-party talks that could move the situation from a dead end. In addition, the Russian president urged his South Korean counterpart to be more attentive to the use of the Northern Sea Route for cargo transportation, and also recalled the need to develop cooperation in the construction of railways (the Trans-Korean trunk line, which can connect Russia with the ports of South Korea).

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  1. Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 14 November 2013 08: 54
    30
    It’s cool to read trolls on the site who write that the vehicle has no future laughing
    I don’t understand one thing, why it was necessary to close Camran, so that now everything would be equipped there again request
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak 14 November 2013 09: 08
      22
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      I don’t understand one thing, why it was necessary to close Camran, so that now everything would be equipped there again


      Hello Sasha. Here is an opinion

      For 2004 - February 2012, the basis of the fighting forces of the Pacific Fleet were:
      Project 1164 Missile Cruiser Atlant Varyag;
      4 large anti-submarine ships of Project 1155 Frigate - Marshal Shaposhnikov, Admiral Vinogradov, Admiral Panteleev, Admiral Tributs;
      1 destroyer URO project 956 "Sarych" - "Fast";
      3 large landing ships of project 775 and one of project 1171.
      3 RPKSN of project 667BDR Kalmar - Ryazan, Podolsk, St. George the Victorious.
      3 nuclear submarines with Project 949A cruise missiles
      Project 3 971 nuclear multi-purpose submarines
      6 diesel-electric torpedo submarines of project 877
      Two more destroyers of the URO of project 956 Sarych - Stormy and Fearless - are under repair for many years, and are likely to be decommissioned. The same fate, it seems, is awaiting the conservation of a similar destroyer, the Battle. Currently, the issue of transferring to the Pacific Ocean from the Arctic Ocean missile cruiser the project of project 1164 “Marshal Ustinov” is being discussed.
      Thus, the Pacific Fleet of the Russian Navy in its current state is practically not able to carry out full-scale combat missions at the ocean theater of operations, and is intended to perform operational and strategic missions in closed inland seas, escort operations or the fight against pirates.

      at that time, in 2001, to summarize everything, the situation was as follows: a big debt, internal problems associated with an inoperative management system and separatism of the regions, the Pacific Fleet in ...., and in the future there are no funds to get it out of this one ..... pull it out.

      But for renting a base, meanwhile, you need to pay real money since 2004.
      Question - why? 300 million dollars a year was very big money.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 14 November 2013 09: 11
        12
        Quote: Vadivak

        at that time, in 2001, to summarize everything, the situation was as follows: a big debt,

        Vadim, don’t you remember how many billions of debt we wrote off to Vietnam?
        Hi hi
        1. Vadivak
          Vadivak 14 November 2013 09: 23
          +7
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Vadim, don’t you remember how many billions of debt we wrote off to Vietnam?


          Copied? Russia suggested that Vietnam write off rent from Vietnam’s 10 billion debt to the USSR, however, the owners of the Kamran base responded with a polite refusal.

          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 14 November 2013 10: 25
            +7
            Quote: Vadivak
            Copied? R

            Over the past 15 years, Russia has written off debts to various countries on loans submitted by the government of the USSR and the Russian Federation in the amount of almost $ 80 billion.
            In 2000, 86% of the debt of $ 11 billion - $ 9,5 billion was written off to Vietnam.
            http://www.kommersant.ru/doc/2133827
            Well, something like this hi We, too, could answer with a polite refusal, but did not answer.
            1. creak
              creak 14 November 2013 10: 31
              +6
              By the way, a similar story happened with the intelligence post in Lourdes in Cuba ... And the debts were written off and left Lourdes ...
              1. malikszh
                malikszh 14 November 2013 11: 57
                +5
                finally gone and Putin’s next step is the base of Cuba and Venezuela! wait more boudet in africa base.
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 14 November 2013 13: 06
                  +2
                  Quote: malikszh
                  and Putin’s next step is the base of Cuba and Venezuela! wait more boudet in africa base.

                  Eee, like Africa, we were promised on the moon base that scammers are again angry
        2. Ascetic
          Ascetic 14 November 2013 10: 35
          12
          Sasha! Hello! It may not be the topic. Recently, anti-corruption activities of law enforcement officers in Primorye have intensified. So on November 8, the head of the investigative department of the Investigative Committee of Russia for the Primorsky Territory decided to institute criminal proceedings against the head of the Border Municipal District Igor Chervints. According to the investigation, the person involved in the case, Igor Chervynets, met with the founder of one of the companies and demanded money as a bribe to resolve the issue of registering the land plot as the property of this company. In the afternoon of November 8, in the cafe "Latte" on the street. Svetlanskaya, 83 money was transferred to Igor Chervints under the control of employees of the Office of the FSB of Russia in the Primorsky Territory. After receiving a bribe, the district official was detained in the act.
          A similar scenario, according to observers, is expected in the Border region - after the Nadezhdinsky and Krasnoarmeysky, where power has changed over the past months according to similar schemes. Local power crises in Dalnegorsk and Bolshoi Kamen are also awaiting resolution, and the Partisansky urban district is next in turn, where the early elections of the “resigned” head are to be held in March next year.
          link
          Obviously, it’s not without reason that the clearing is cleared. Why?
          In the photo Chervynets. What looks like a stool in his youth. smile
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 14 November 2013 13: 05
            +5
            Quote: Ascetic
            Maybe not the topic, Recently, anti-corruption activities of law enforcement officers in Primorye have intensified

            Satnislav, yes I beg you, he crossed the road for someone. That's when they put all the customs with the top of cops and traffic cops, then I’ll drink a glass of champagne winked
            1. Karlsonn
              Karlsonn 14 November 2013 14: 20
              +2
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              That's when they’ll plant all the customs with the top of cops and traffic cops, then I’ll drink a glass of champagne


            2. askort154
              askort154 14 November 2013 14: 30
              +1
              Alexander Romanov Satnislav, yes, I beg you, he crossed the road to someone. So when all the customs with the top of cops and traffic cops are put in prison, then I'll drink a glass of champagne

              Forget champagne forever.
              1. ars_pro
                ars_pro 14 November 2013 16: 08
                0
                Alexander Romanov That's when they put all the customs with the top cops and traffic cops, then I'll drink a glass of champagne


                I think I would drink everything, the main reason worthy of compatibility, in the case of Alexander, I would drink it anyway
    2. Ihrek
      Ihrek 14 November 2013 09: 19
      +8
      \
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      It’s cool to read trolls on the site who write that the vehicle has no future laughing
      I don’t understand one thing, why it was necessary to close Camran, so that now everything would be equipped there again request

      The CU has a clear future, while other countries do not understand this, and how they will understand the line. Regarding Kamran - in the post-Soviet period, a lot of unclear things happened, it was time to collect stones.
      1. randomizer
        randomizer 14 November 2013 11: 51
        +5
        And it’s easier to stand near the fence and watch the men push the car out in the mud and in the rain. Yes, it doesn’t work out, why did they stop here. And when they push it out, they immediately start asking for it - they want to be warm and not legs. But only who pushed, then goes. And the rest is maximum in the open body.
    3. Airman
      Airman 14 November 2013 10: 19
      -18 qualifying.
      But it doesn’t appeal to me that they signed an agreement on visa-free travel with Yu. Korea. Now these crowds will hang out here.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 14 November 2013 10: 27
        17
        Quote: Povshnik
        . Now these crowds will hang out here.

        Where is it, where are you from? And the most interesting thing is that Koreits are quite cultured people, unlike our own compatriots from Chechnya and Dagestan.
        1. Onyx
          Onyx 14 November 2013 10: 53
          +8
          Where is it, where are you from? And the most interesting thing is that Koreits are quite cultured people, unlike our own compatriots from Chechnya and Dagestan. [/ Quote]
          The decline in cultural level is a problem for the entire population of Russia. Or want to say that in Russia there are few poorly educated, to put it mildly, young people with cans of beer on the streets?
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 14 November 2013 11: 41
            +5
            Quote: Onyx
            . Or want to say that in Russia there are few poorly educated, to put it mildly, young people with cans of beer on the streets?

            Enough, but these young people behave this way at home, and not in Grozny or Dagestan. The same is quite the opposite.
            1. Onyx
              Onyx 14 November 2013 13: 38
              -2
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Enough, but these young people behave this way at home, and not in Grozny or Dagestan. The same is quite the opposite.

              The essence of the problem does not change from this
        2. randomizer
          randomizer 14 November 2013 11: 55
          +2
          I spoke with people living near a large Chinese market yesterday. They respond normally. Although there are many Chinese, they are not aggressive, on the contrary, they are very polite. And Koreans are like that. These will not be folk dances on the Manezh dance, scorching in the air from the trauma.
          1. Karlsonn
            Karlsonn 14 November 2013 14: 29
            +9
            Quote: Randaltor
            I spoke with people living near a large Chinese market yesterday.


            About half a million Koreans live in the territory of the countries of the former USSR, I have never heard of problems with Koreans, personal experience with them is purely positive. drinks

            PYSY: Victor Tsoi actually is a descendant of the Koreans who emigrated to us.
            1. poquello
              poquello 14 November 2013 20: 32
              +3
              Quote: Karlsonn

              About half a million Koreans live in the territory of the countries of the former USSR, I have never heard of problems with Koreans, personal experience with them is purely positive.

              I agree. And the Vietnamese are positive guys, negative impressions are simply absent, except for the fried herring.
              1. Karlsonn
                Karlsonn 14 November 2013 21: 24
                +2
                Quote: poquello
                And the Vietnamese are positive guys, negative impressions are simply absent, except for the fried herring.


                In! You understand comrade! drinks
                Where did you meet fried herring?
                As soon as I read your comment, the smell of shibanul immediately in my nose ... lol
              2. smile
                smile 15 November 2013 00: 46
                +2
                poquello
                :))) Once in Kiev in a hostel I saw how Vietnamese ... in a teapot (there was a wide lid) ... in milk ... fried salted herring from a hefty tin can (this is similar to a store from RPD) ... they are really normal guys ... but herring .... :))) I didn’t know that this was their specialty ... :)))
                1. Karlsonn
                  Karlsonn 15 November 2013 04: 02
                  +1
                  Quote: smile
                  I saw how Vietnamese ... in a teapot (there was a wide lid) ... in milk ... fried salted herring from a hefty tin can


                  You know ! good
            2. poquello
              poquello 14 November 2013 20: 32
              +1
              What the hell, where do the doublet posts go?
              1. Karlsonn
                Karlsonn 14 November 2013 21: 27
                +2
                Quote: poquello
                What the hell, where do the doublet posts go?


                I don’t know where the doublets climb from, but I know where to get it from

                laughing
      2. nickname 1 and 2
        nickname 1 and 2 14 November 2013 10: 38
        +1
        Quote: Povshnik
        But it doesn’t appeal to me that they signed an agreement on visa-free travel with Yu. Korea. Now these crowds will hang out here.


        Is VISA a barrier?

        they are sensible - why hang out?
      3. Kushadasov
        Kushadasov 14 November 2013 11: 14
        +4
        well, it’s not yet known whose side the crowds will run. Comrade, do not confuse SK with the north.
      4. major071
        major071 14 November 2013 13: 08
        +6
        Yes, with the abolition of the visa regime with South Korea, in our country there will be 10 times fewer Koreans with a visa-free visa than migrants from neighboring countries, even if we introduce a visa regime with Tajiks, Uzbeks, etc. Moreover, they do not seek work in Russia.
      5. Karlsonn
        Karlsonn 14 November 2013 14: 23
        +1
        Quote: Povshnik
        But it doesn’t appeal to me that they signed an agreement on visa-free travel with Yu. Korea. Now these crowds will hang out here.


        looks carefully
      6. SkiF_RnD
        SkiF_RnD 14 November 2013 14: 38
        +4
        Why the Koreans? In South Korea, it’s not so bad to go abroad to earn money. They have enough jobs, and the industry is excellent. Shipbuilding, electronics, cars, and much more. This is not Tajikistan for you, I am afraid that there the standard of living is better than ours, correct, if not. hi
      7. kafa
        kafa 14 November 2013 15: 49
        -3
        Sam sniffed what he said
      8. PSih2097
        PSih2097 14 November 2013 17: 01
        0
        Quote: Povshnik
        But it doesn’t appeal to me that they signed an agreement on visa-free travel with Yu. Korea. Now these crowds will hang out here.

        Those Koreans are much better than the Chinese ...
        1. Karlsonn
          Karlsonn 14 November 2013 17: 42
          +1
          Quote: PSih2097
          Those Koreans are much better than the Chinese ...


          Well, all Koreans for angels also do not need to be held, somewhere in South Korea (so to speak, the legacy of the fact that Korea was part of Japanese possessions, and Japan, respectively, an ally of Germany) - techno-bar "Hitler":
      9. Stas
        Stas 14 November 2013 21: 50
        +1
        Airman
        But it doesn’t appeal to me that they signed an agreement on visa-free travel with Yu. Korea. Now these crowds will hang out here.

        Do not worry so much. You probably don’t know that in South Korea the standard of living of the population is much higher than in Russia and Russian and Russian Koreans from Primorye and Sakhalin are going to work there with gastrobayters from the 90s
    4. edge
      edge 14 November 2013 10: 59
      +2
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      I don’t understand one thing, why it was necessary to close Camran, so that now everything would be equipped there again

      nevertheless clearly stated, the fleet did not use, and the dough was already lacking
      1. SSR
        SSR 14 November 2013 21: 49
        +1
        Quote: hert
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        I don’t understand one thing, why it was necessary to close Camran, so that now everything would be equipped there again

        nevertheless clearly stated, the fleet did not use, and the dough was already lacking

        There, the question was not only about rent money, the infrastructure support was very expensive in the absence of a fleet, that is, everything was dilapidated, like something somewhere, but in fact the whole town and the "factory" were going to pieces ... In general the issue is not only the lease fees, rent 30000000-conditional content 70000000-conditional.
    5. mirag2
      mirag2 14 November 2013 11: 05
      -2
      It is necessary to ask Yeltsin, why did Kamran close?
      There was no place to steal money for his daughters-Abramovich ...
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 14 November 2013 11: 42
        +6
        Quote: mirag2
        It is necessary to ask Yeltsin, why did Kamran close?

        Kamran closed Putin.
        1. malikszh
          malikszh 14 November 2013 12: 00
          +1
          Sasha, you didn’t see how they closed the closing act, maybe there is a point when you need to open it back any case when the ruler wasn’t just not closing the base.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 14 November 2013 13: 02
            +2
            Quote: malikszh
            Sasha, you didn’t see how they closed the closing act, maybe there is a point there when you need to open it

            Why do people always try to fantasize that something good is clear to me, But why do not I fantasize here.
          2. SSR
            SSR 14 November 2013 21: 51
            +1
            I repeat, there is no fleet at the base, there seems to be a lease - but the maintenance of the base itself is much more expensive ... And in the absence of the fleet it’s also stupid, that’s something like comrades.
    6. Alexey
      Alexey 14 November 2013 11: 22
      +1
      Quote: Alexander Romanov

      I don’t understand one thing, why it was necessary to close Camran, so that now everything would be equipped there again request

      Apparently, the agreement to close the base was adopted even before Putin, and possibly with him as a result of some covert compromise.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 14 November 2013 11: 43
        +2
        Quote: Alex
        Apparently an agreement to close the base was adopted before Putin

        By whom? Shoigu many decisions canceled Serdyukov, so it’s not worth it.
      2. SSR
        SSR 14 November 2013 21: 54
        0
        No. There is almost no undercover one either; there’s a type against no longer being friends (tonality), but in fact it was empty and expensive to contain.
    7. 755962
      755962 14 November 2013 22: 23
      0
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      why it was necessary to close Camran

      No need to break earlier, no need to restore! I think Camran should have been mothballed. In other words, came, opened, dust blew off and continue to rule!
      As for the political decision, it can be taken. But after that it will be necessary to make a technical decision, which will not be easy to implement. Well, they will do the infrastructure, and who will stand there (in Kamrani)? It is necessary that ships based there that will control the Indian Ocean be based there, to bring benefits to the country. Do we have something to come with? Not with anything!
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  3. makarov
    makarov 14 November 2013 09: 00
    13
    From these actions of Putin, the authority of the Russian Federation naturally grows. This is all a balanced systematic approach to politics, and it is bearing fruit.
  4. Stiletto
    Stiletto 14 November 2013 09: 00
    10
    Well done GDP! The alliance of Russian technologies with advanced South Korean electronics may yield such results that our Western friends will be more upset than about Voronezh.
    1. DEfindER
      DEfindER 14 November 2013 10: 42
      +5
      Quote: Stiletto
      The union of Russian technologies with advanced South Korean electronics can give such results,

      Everything would be fine, but only patents for all their electronics belong not to them, but to striped ones. Our military processor Elbrus has already reached the limit of modernization in terms of topology, we have to switch to new technologies and patents for these technologies belong mainly to amers, AMD was not sold to us because of for Jackson's broom amendments, now it may turn out to open some kind of joint venture with the Koreans.
    2. kafa
      kafa 14 November 2013 15: 52
      0
      do you want to buy blue ray?
  5. leon-iv
    leon-iv 14 November 2013 09: 40
    +4
    Thus, Rosneft gets the opportunity to work on two fields on the Vietnamese shelf. Gazprom Neft acquired a 49% stake in the Dung Quat refinery from the Vietnamese side

    Here is the most important thing. Who is who and GDP in global energy is a world-class player.
    1. edge
      edge 14 November 2013 11: 07
      0
      Quote: leon-iv
      Thus, Rosneft gets the opportunity to work on two fields on the Vietnamese shelf. Gazprom Neft acquired a 49% stake in the Dung Quat refinery from the Vietnamese side

      I remember that the Chinas howled about this, they see it as their patrimony, and tried to directly put pressure on Putin ... ... and this is the result. good
  6. sergey72
    sergey72 14 November 2013 09: 53
    12
    Good day, forum users! Well, that came true ... I remember a couple of months ago I wrote about the return of Russia to Cam Ranh ... and was ridiculed, but now it's nice to know that I was right!
    1. Ascetic
      Ascetic 14 November 2013 10: 19
      +6
      Quote: sergey72
      Good day, forum users! Well, that came true ... I remember a couple of months ago I wrote about the return of Russia to Cam Ranh ... and was ridiculed, but now it's nice to know that I was right!


      Strange .. why was ridiculed. The issue has been on the agenda since 2008, at least a political decision was made just then (negotiations were conducted with the Americans since 2003 on the basis of which were unsuccessful and Russia reappeared here), then there was a visit by Medvedev last fall.where the issue has already been resolved on a practical plane. We agreed that Kamran will have the status of an MTO point like Tartus in Syria. As long as we are not talking about creating a full-fledged naval base of Russia, but everything can go to this. First, the potential membership of Vietnam in the Customs Union secondly, Vietnam needs a Russian presence as a counterweight to China.China claims to part of the islands of the Spratly Archipelago and the Paracel Islands in the South China Sea, where in the early 1990s they found oil and gas.. Vietnam remembers the 1979 war well. with China.
      Of course, China will not like it. But politics, as you know, is the art of the possible. China is interested in the supply of Russian oil, and the activation of Russia in the Pacific region is unlikely to lead to serious negative consequences for Moscow-Beijing.
      The influential Chinese newspaper Huangqiu Shibao recently published an article "The fact that Russia is returning to Cam Ranh is not necessarily a bad thing."
      Beijing monitors plans to return Russian fleet to Kamran
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 14 November 2013 10: 29
        +4
        Quote: Ascetic

        Strange .. why was ridiculed.

        And what is strange, try to prove to some that white is white, not black. Stanislav hi
        1. Ascetic
          Ascetic 14 November 2013 10: 47
          +4
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          And what is strange, try to prove to some that white is white, not black. Stanislav


          To be honest, sometimes it's just too lazy to prove, even if there is time ... And then, all the same, retro hits about Cam Ranh, Lourdes and the NATO base will be put back and put on a loss. It is necessary to look ahead and not procrastinate the past. For example, I would gladly travel to the South Caucasus, and now when the visa-free regime is only a matter of the availability of money and "political" will as the head of the family. smile
        2. Karlsonn
          Karlsonn 14 November 2013 14: 32
          +1
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          try to prove to some that white is white, not black


          As experience has shown, this is not possible. hi
        3. SSR
          SSR 14 November 2013 22: 00
          +1
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Quote: Ascetic

          Strange .. why was ridiculed.

          And what is strange, try to prove to some that white is white, not black. Stanislav hi

          I chose your post but I am writing to Stanislav, Ascetic, I always read your messages with great interest (with the correctness of who you considered yourself to be earlier, I’m talking about Libero, maybe some people don’t know but this .... Oh, I fell into laziness ) in general, do not be lazy because those like me who read your messages are just an informative absolute majority.
  7. Kizhich
    Kizhich 14 November 2013 10: 32
    +4
    For half the world, the phrase "American allies" causes, at least, the urge to vomit.

    I have to remember, really liked it, I can’t laugh!
  8. sergey72
    sergey72 14 November 2013 10: 33
    +3
    Quote: Ascetic
    Strange .. why was ridiculed
    Alas .... but it is. They pointed out to me that in Vtnam, an act was passed banning the transfer of the Kamran object to foreign hands and the impossibility of finding foreign troops on the territory of Vietnam ...
    1. Ascetic
      Ascetic 14 November 2013 10: 57
      +2
      Quote: sergey72
      . They pointed out to me that in Vtnam an act was passed banning the transfer of the Kamran object to foreign hands and the impossibility of finding foreign troops on the territory of Vietnam ...

      Honestly, I have not heard of such a ban. In 2003 Penetta, the US Ministry of Defense, came to Vietnam and negotiations were underway to transfer the base to the Americans.
      1. SSR
        SSR 14 November 2013 22: 03
        0
        Quote: Ascetic
        Quote: sergey72
        . They pointed out to me that in Vtnam an act was passed banning the transfer of the Kamran object to foreign hands and the impossibility of finding foreign troops on the territory of Vietnam ...

        Honestly, I have not heard of such a ban. In 2003 Penetta, the US Ministry of Defense, came to Vietnam and negotiations were underway to transfer the base to the Americans.

        Sergei is right, there were such conversations, with the United States exactly and conversations with the Chinese "spirit" took place ..
  9. moremansf
    moremansf 14 November 2013 10: 37
    +2
    After the meeting of the two presidents, it became known that in Kamrani it was decided to open a military-technical base, on which repairs and maintenance of warships of various projects and modifications will be carried out. Russian specialists will also be connected to the work of the military-technical base. This information inspires some optimism and allows us to make a cautious judgment that Russia will return to Kamran a decade later. Of course, it is too early to talk about the opening of a full-fledged Russian naval base here (in the Vietnamese port of Cam Ranh), but the first step has been taken. The likelihood of further steps is also great, especially when you consider that Vietnam may soon be in a single trade and economic field with Russia and its other closest partners - Kazakhstan and Belarus. This probability is also great because today Vietnam needs a strong ally in connection with the increasing influence of China in the region. Russia may well play the role of such an ally - an ally, not so much against China (frankly allying itself with someone against China today is more expensive), but an ally who with his presence in the region can cool unnecessarily hot heads (even Chinese, at least whose or else). Well, not Americans, in fact, to invite ... These throats crossed today not only among the Vietnamese, who remember very well how star-striped “helped” their country ... At half-world, the phrase “American allies” causes, at least, the urge to vomiting."I would like to believe it"
  10. soldier's grandson
    soldier's grandson 14 November 2013 11: 03
    +1
    Quote: Stiletto
    Well done GDP! The alliance of Russian technologies with advanced South Korean electronics may yield such results that our Western friends will be more upset than about Voronezh.

    do you think that we don’t have enough brains? Koreans themselves release electronics on Western technologies
    1. Generalissimus
      Generalissimus 14 November 2013 15: 19
      +6
      It's funny that in Russia there are still a lot of people who arrogantly consider South Korea, like China, to be such backward monkeys that can only copy, and, certainly, advanced Russian technologies.

      Perhaps that is why Samsung is the main competitor of Apple? And introduces many developments faster.

      More precisely, South Korea has been a world leader in the development and production of microelectronics for ten years now. Russia, in principle, is no longer able to catch up in this area. Unfortunately. However, Zhores Alferov spoke better and more competent about this.

      Interestingly, South Korea is building the largest ocean vessels. And we are running for Mistral technologies to the French. USC is only getting ready for the development of such technologies.

      Still interesting - this is the last Korean tank. Specialists consider it, if not the best in the world today, then one of the best.
      Also, of course, Western technology?

      This is so, a few examples from many.

      -------

      You see, it’s completely incorrect to say such things.
      Any country uses the experience and experience of competitors - this is completely natural.
      Any country buys promising technologies, and if possible - tyrit them.

      No country can be a leader in all areas. This is the basis of the theory of competitiveness (see M. Porter).

      Any "smart country" will consolidate its efforts in those areas where it is really capable of achieving leadership. And this ability depends not only on the capabilities of the scientific and engineering corps of such a country, but also on many other factors.
      The country's "wealth" is far from the first role here.

      And here is another example: Lenovo. Former IBM division in China. The Americans decided that the plant was unpromising and sold it to the Chinese themselves.
      Now Lenovo is a world leader not only in the production of computer equipment (and here it is not only about mass production - Lenovo sells powerful, thoughtful, most modern computers that are snapped up primarily among corporate clients - and this says a lot), but also the legislator mod in this area, and a leader in breakthrough technologies that will dictate the appearance of this sphere in the near future. Who would have thought?? But after all ..
      But we, hanging our lips, still despise Asians =)
      --------

      Why am I all this ... it's time to wake up. We have not been the USSR for a long time, and China is not Tajikistan, and South Korea is not Lithuania.
      We need to work in our fields where we can be or are leaders.

      It would be nice if our people understood this. And not condescendingly (at best) they talked about others.
      1. SSR
        SSR 14 November 2013 22: 13
        +1
        First wanted to plyusanyut then minusanut, you are right and wrong at the same time
        Russia can create the same processors on different principles with different, better performance, this time, the two most powerful computers after the Americans are created by our company, but the same Americans are ruining and blocking it. Unfortunately I can’t give links because it’s hard to do this from a mobile device
        1. poquello
          poquello 14 November 2013 22: 35
          +2
          Quote: SSR
          First wanted to plyusanyut then minusanut, you are right and wrong at the same time
          Russia can create the same processors on different principles with different, better performance, this time, the two most powerful computers after the Americans are created by our company, but the same Americans are ruining and blocking it. Unfortunately I can’t give links because it’s hard to do this from a mobile device

          Well, let’s say plus, for there are good correct arguments when looking at consumer goods. And you are a plus, because everything is true, ours compete in supercomputers.
          1. SSR
            SSR 14 November 2013 22: 53
            +1
            )))) just when I read, the message was not so "detailed" and now with examples and .... In general, the American gadget in my hand is not keeping up) good
  11. Kushadasov
    Kushadasov 14 November 2013 11: 11
    0
    I can imagine how the State Department is now raging and pooping with bricks. After all, for these "supermen" any rapprochement between Russia and other states, any unions, is such a pain in the ass. Very good news.
    1. MstislavHrabr
      MstislavHrabr 14 November 2013 16: 58
      0
      I really want these measures to be dictated by independent decisions. But they would not express, for example, the desire of the Amers to narrow their spheres of influence in the world, and are ready to allow Russia to strengthen (to a certain limit) as a counterweight to China. Using which, they will try their best to push us foreheads with the Celestial Empire ... But, in general, the news is good!
  12. soldier's grandson
    soldier's grandson 14 November 2013 11: 21
    +1
    Why is the State Department furious? with a total of visas littered the whole country, do not forget that South Koreans are primarily allies of the State Department
    1. Onyx
      Onyx 14 November 2013 11: 44
      +3
      Quote: soldier's grandson
      Why is the State Department furious? with a total of visas littered the whole country, do not forget that South Koreans are primarily allies of the State Department

      When someone imposes their will on you, this is not an alliance. And this is exactly what happens in relations between the South Caucasus and the United States. The leadership of no country wants to be commanded from abroad. Should the United States weaken (and for now this is the tendency), all their "allies" will throw them right there.
    2. Kushadasov
      Kushadasov 14 November 2013 13: 27
      +2
      you’d better, my friend, were worried that with the abolition of visas would not litter the original country of Korea
  13. Internal combustion engine
    Internal combustion engine 14 November 2013 12: 00
    -1
    No, well, not the president, but just a salesman. No matter how it goes somewhere, it’s all because of gas or oil. Nothing more excites him as hotly and passionately as these damned hydrocarbons.
    1. Volodin
      14 November 2013 12: 35
      +4
      And what to do. Now any president, so that the budget does not collapse, you have to be a salesman. Though ours is hydrocarbons, while others are trading at all ...
  14. IOwTZ
    IOwTZ 14 November 2013 12: 21
    -1
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Quote: mirag2
    It is necessary to ask Yeltsin, why did Kamran close?

    Kamran closed Putin.


    Opened, closed ... I do not understand old Kabaev.
    1. olviko
      olviko 14 November 2013 15: 25
      +2
      "Opened-closed ... I don't understand old man Kabaev."

      Well, why, everything is correct. As there, Ecclesiastes:
      “Everything has its own time, and the time of every thing under heaven: a time to destroy, and a time to build; time to throw stones, and time to collect stones; ; time to seek, and time to lose; time to save, and time to quit; , time of war, and time of peace, etc.
      Times are different, the balance of power has recently changed dramatically, and the United States is no longer the undisputed leader. Russia is not yet at its peak, but is stubbornly pushing itself up to the heights of the political Olympus, and Putin has established himself as a person who achieves his goals. The movement in the Asia-Pacific Region, as the most dynamically developing region now, is quite logical and Putin is trying to make full use of the current situation.
  15. Stasi
    Stasi 14 November 2013 13: 33
    +2
    Russia has returned to Vietnam and will catch up for the period of the 90s. Now it’s not just about opening a base in Kamrani, but about Vietnam’s accession to the CU. I am sure that over time, South Korea will enter the TS, Koreans are becoming more and more disillusioned with the Americans as allies. We will wait for news about the resumption of cooperation with Cuba and the opening of a base in Lourdes.
  16. Alex toll
    Alex toll 14 November 2013 15: 26
    +4
    Know how much they say bad about our GDP - he’s a man with a capital letter and not everyone could cope with such a Giant country, in his place not everyone can turn such a dash under the noses of Americans and courage to find what history shows only he had enough after the collapse of the USSR, even the European Union, and then trembles before the amers, but to our ... uy to their opinion !!!

    Many years to you, GDP and success in rebuilding the new Russian Empire !!!

    The Slavs will rise again from their knees !!! Glory to Russia !!!
    1. IOwTZ
      IOwTZ 14 November 2013 16: 06
      -1
      The Slavs will rise from their knees again !!! Glory to Russia !!! - so it will be, I have no doubt and really hope so. But the fact that "to our ... uh to their opinion !!!"- I do not agree here, there are enough people in the country to" find the courage and turn the movement under the noses of the Americans. "It would be better if he brought the movement inside the country. You are probably a Muscovite, go outside the Moscow Ring Road, look at the" movement "in the regions. land in half the window of the first floors (this is about dilapidated housing), but in Grozny (and in other North Caucasus republics unemployment is up to 70%, and houses are built on 3 floors) everything is glass and light. Look Blagoveshchensk, from there they run (if there is where.) On the other bank of the Amur, Heihe, there will be an opportunity to go (in the near future I think you will not have such an opportunity, because the "man with a capital letter" did not take care of the tariffs for Russians for moving around the country to the Far Eastern regions of Russia ), feel the difference. Look at Russian men and women working hard from morning till night and receiving salary, which is enough only to extinguish for electricity, gas, d / s or school. There is no stock, the people are a beggar, take off your rose-colored glasses. capital letter "will quickly intercede for people who They are rolled out across Moscow and other Russian cities on tinted (including windshield) cars. Your "man with a capital letter" did not react to the outrageous fact when the Ingush (Tozheressians) booed a minute of silence in memory of the victims of the terrorist attack in Volgograd ... Alas, there is no more time to write.
      1. Alex toll
        Alex toll 14 November 2013 17: 34
        -1
        Remark accepted! I'll think about it ..........
  17. Unisonic
    Unisonic 14 November 2013 15: 46
    +2
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    It’s cool to read trolls on the site who write that the vehicle has no future laughing
    I don’t understand one thing, why it was necessary to close Camran, so that now everything would be equipped there again request

    Russia did not have money then. I heard such official explanations. Including and according to Lourdes. True, money was under Yeltsin. Moreover, in 1997 or 1998, RECs in Lourdes were upgraded by $ 300 million. Kamran also worked throughout the 90s, and our and airplanes took ships. In 1995, a tragic incident happened with our Russian Knights there.

    My explanation is somewhat different - it was the second largest drain of positions, after the Gorbachev-Shevardz history. Gorbachev-style Russia tried to make friends with the States. So to speak, they crawled to them, and stared at them with kind eyes. Here we have the SOR agreement, and the closure of bases, and support for US military aggressions, and welcome to Central Asia, and the RT-23 BZHRK sawed the scalpel, and sawed up to 2007 years, although the START-2 treaty has not been ratified and the RT-23 has been able to ride in Russia so far.

    And the States, that the States said, well done guys, is meritorious, keep it up. In the meantime, we will withdraw from the ABM Treaty, impose bases on you, attack Iraq, test the color revolutions in the CIS countries. In general, fools learn from their mistakes, smart from strangers. Gorbachev \ Yeltsin’s mistakes and miscalculations in foreign policy taught no one. Here is the explanation.
  18. kafa
    kafa 14 November 2013 15: 56
    -5
    I’m a free bird in nature like a proud one nicknamed hedgehog ............. you show off here .... I'll come back later
  19. Stalin
    Stalin 14 November 2013 16: 06
    -7
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Quote: Alex
    Apparently an agreement to close the base was adopted before Putin

    By whom? Shoigu many decisions canceled Serdyukov, so it’s not worth it.



    Foreign agent Romanov is delirious and trying to hang his phony analytics on the ears of Russians. Foreign agent Romanov, go back to the State Department, they were waiting for you there, it's time to give out grants, and also tell your owners that all kinds of mongrels and bedbugs can never affect the consciousness of a Russian person.
  20. 31231
    31231 14 November 2013 16: 50
    +1
    In December, I’m flying to Vietnam. In general, it's time for us to all who are not friendly with us to introduce a visa regime. Russian tourists are one of the most numerous in Southeast Asia, Egypt and Europe.
  21. wax
    wax 14 November 2013 16: 56
    +1
    Russia must be present in all four oceans. US activity in the Asia-Pacific region is opposed by an exceptionally effective solution - the involvement of Vietnam in the Customs Union. Against the background of this decision, the discussion of market rejection of Kamrani loses all meaning in due time, all the more personified with Putin.
  22. Clueless
    Clueless 14 November 2013 20: 02
    -1
    Quote: Randaltor
    I spoke with people living near a large Chinese market yesterday. They respond normally. Although there are many Chinese, they are not aggressive, on the contrary, they are very polite. And Koreans are like that. These will not be folk dances on the Manezh dance, scorching in the air from the trauma.


    The main thing is that the dogs should not be eaten, otherwise in the late 90s we had a couple of major clashes in this city :) Then they really stopped eating them, because they were tired of getting muzhiks from men
  23. major071
    major071 14 November 2013 20: 13
    +7
    Maybe a little off topic, but after reading the posts about Koreans, I remembered an interesting story (I worked in the transport police). It was somewhere in 2000-2001, I don't remember exactly. I was in the duty group as part of the daily dress as the duty operator. Around lunchtime, i.e. at 12-13 o'clock they urgently pull me into the duty room, tearing me away from playing solitaire. Arriving, as they say, noisily in the duty room, I saw two people there, whom the duty officer hung around my neck with the words, like figure it out. Of course, I took it and brought it to the office for a conversation. One of them turned out to be an Uzbek, just an ordinary Uzbek, who had lived in Russia for 20 years, and was just going to go by train to Chelyabinsk that day on business, but the second turned out to be Korean, and northern. So, this Korean (dressed in a suit with a tie, a badge with the face of a leader on the lapel, honestly who I have not considered) begins to say something to me in Korean. From all the speech I understood only two words: "captain" and "help", everything else for me was gibberish. I just went nuts, tk. of all foreign languages, I spank a little in German, in the rest I am a complete layman. And at this moment, an Uzbek quietly sitting in the corner tells me, like this Korean was taking a taxi to the station and in that taxi he forgot his wallet with money and a passport. At first I was freaking out, and then I asked the Uzbek, what do you understand in Korean? To which he replied that he does not know the language, but in general he understands what the Korean is saying. I am an Uzbek: - translate, now we will help, we will find. He answered me: - I'm sorry, the boss, he doesn't understand me. I told him: - Well, do you understand him? - I see. Me: - And he you? Uzbek: - no. I: I didn't understand anything (that's putting it mildly). Uzbek: -the chief, he speaks and his language is a little similar to ours, I understand him, but he does not have me. Me: -but you can translate him? Uzbek: -no. And so in this triangle we talked for two hours. Of course, then I found this taxi and returned the Korean's documents, but this story, when a Korean almost knelt because of his lost documents, and an Uzbek who understood Korean, but Koreans did not understand him, I will never forget ... good
  24. navodchik
    navodchik 14 November 2013 21: 52
    -1
    Again, oil from there, gas there. Mechanical engineering where? New plants where? Technology again only for export?
  25. dimon-media
    dimon-media 14 November 2013 21: 53
    -1
    Carefully there. We’ll get closer to some, and vice versa .. What Seoul or Hanoi will like will obviously not appeal to Beijing or Pyongyang. I understand that you can spit on everything from the bell tower, but it is also reluctant to spoil already established relations with third countries. Straight love triangle of some kind. Third wheel.
  26. Arkan
    Arkan 14 November 2013 22: 19
    0
    We're coming back! "The closed part of the contract is ... (that's why it is closed)." What kind of "cars" "Uralvagonzavod" makes is known.
  27. voliador
    voliador 14 November 2013 23: 05
    0
    Well, if the Koreans sell this tune and the PAK FA, then this will be the number. Sramers will squeal!
  28. Vasily Klopkov
    Vasily Klopkov 15 November 2013 02: 11
    0
    Even communist Vietnam realized that the CU is a profitable alliance, as it provides tremendous opportunities for marketing goods. And we, Ukrainians, cut ourselves the branch on which we sit. But without trade with Russia, Belarus and Kazakhstan, we simply do not make sense to engage in production. And our communists warned about this. Indeed, according to scientists, joining the TS will give impetus to the development of the country's economy, its industry, energy, and transport. That is why the Reds insistently demand a referendum on joining the CU.
    1. Alex toll
      Alex toll 15 November 2013 14: 10
      0
      Che who put a minus here ?????? Justify davayka ????? Is it common sense or burgers and same-sex marriages are more expensive than their country !!! ???