Military Review

Nikolai Starikov: “How can you compare who is“ cooler ”- Suvorov or Kutuzov?”

67
Nikolai Starikov: “How can you compare who is“ cooler ”- Suvorov or Kutuzov?”A well-known publicist criticized the fashion that came from the West for ratings.


The All-Russian educational name Media Project “Victory Name”, which started in RuNet, already at the start acquired a certain scandalous aftertaste. The reason is that, as we have already written, in the list of great commanders and military leaders there was suddenly no name with which our fathers and grandfathers attacked in the Great Patriotic War.

But on this list were figures either random or with more than controversial merits to the army and fleetor those whose heritage has yet to be appreciated. Meanwhile, petitions demanding the return of Stalin to the list of the great military leaders of our country are already being addressed to the organizers of this competition.

In a conversation with the KM.RU columnist, his attitude towards the incident with the absence of the Generalissimo I.V. Stalin in the list of commanders and to the contest “Name of Victory” shared the co-founder of the party “Great Fatherland”, a famous historian and journalist, author of the book “Stalin. We remember together "Nikolay Starikov:

- Culture Minister Vladimir Medinsky in an interview with “Vesti” explained the absence of Stalin in the list of great military leaders by the fact that the organizers of the competition decided not to include state leaders in it. Like, then it was necessary to include all general secretaries and presidents. Are you satisfied with this explanation?

- I have great respect for Vladimir Rostislavovich Medinsky, but in this case it’s very difficult for me to agree with him. Neither Gorbachev nor Yeltsin, being supreme commanders, did not conduct any successful military activities. Thank God that a war of such magnitude as the Great Patriotic War was in our stories only once. Therefore, it is simply impossible to consider Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin apart from the leadership of the armed forces during the war. He was truly the Supreme Commander in the full meaning of this post, and in many respects we owe him our victory over the enemy.

Of course, in the victory over Hitler there is the contribution of every Soviet soldier, every general, every marshal, but, as the liberals usually say, it was impossible to defeat Stalin in spite of it. If we stick to this point of view, then let us ask ourselves: why didn’t the Germans win against Hitler, why didn’t the French win against Napoleon? The role of the commander, the role of the individual in the history of military conflicts is largely decisive.

- So why, then, Stalin was not honored to stand in the same row with the great Russian commanders?

- I think the situation is as follows. The organizers of this “competition” logically calculated that Joseph Stalin, if he were on the list of great commanders, would surely take first place in it. After all, people voting for him would rate not only the leadership talents who, of course, were present at the Generalissimo, but first of all his state talents. And the result of this vote would therefore be predictable in advance. And why such a probability obviously did not suit the authors of the competition - a separate question. But if Lev Trotsky is a commander among them, then those who made this list can definitely be suspected of “light Trotskyism”, because, of course, he was not a commander. He was an orator, a writer, and was also associated with the world behind the scenes and brought great misfortunes to Russia.

- In general, the presence of individual names in the list of great military leaders and the absence of others has already become the reason for a lot of heated disputes and gossip. Do organizers of such contests need to try not to touch someone with a particular name? Or is historical truth above all?

- The fact of holding such competitions is in itself somewhat dubious, and I, frankly, do not quite understand its meaning, I do not understand the need to single out the best of the best, sifting out at the same time doubtful personalities like the same Makhno, for example. But if a contest is being held, then all names need to be added to the voting list, regardless of whether someone will like particular names or not.

After all, there really was a Caucasian war in Russia. Is it a secret? On the part of Russia, General Yermolov took an active part in this war, but, in addition, he participated in the 1812 war of the year, in which he accomplished many feats. On the part of the mountaineers, military actions were led by Imam Shamil. And what, is it a secret? Not at all! But this war, firstly, has long ended, and secondly, its outcome was that Shamil took the oath to the Russian state, after which the mountain elite remarkably merged with the Russian one, and the conflict was completely settled.

And today's attempts to reanimate these wars, to return to them and to pick them up again for a long time, thank God, the healed wounds are just such a political situation. There is no need to depart from historical truth. There was Shamil, there was Yermolov, there was a war, but it ended more than 150 years ago, and today Russia is united and indivisible within the borders in which we live.

“But now we see patriotic education like this ...”

- I do not see a great patriotic education in comparing the leadership talents of Nestor Ivanovich Makhno and Lev Davidovich Trotsky. Honestly! And all the more there is nothing bringing up in their comparison, for example, with Marshal Zhukov. This is not a patriotic education, but a thoughtless, unjustified adherence to Western patterns. After all, this fashion came to us from the West for all sorts of “tops,” “ratings,” “hot twenties” ...

This is a slice of the Western consciousness: they think so, with such categories of show business. In Russia, over the thousand-year history, there were many truly great commanders, and why do we need to rank them? If we start to find out who is “cooler” - Alexander Suvorov or Mikhail Kutuzov, it will not lead to anything good in the end. We need to talk more about all the generals, about all the heroes of Russia. This is, in my opinion, the surest method of patriotic education.
Author:
Originator:
http://www.km.ru/
67 comments
Information
Dear reader, to leave comments on the publication, you must to register.

I have an account? Sign in

  1. Same lech
    Same lech 14 November 2013 08: 28 New
    30
    Neither Gorbachev nor Yeltsin, being the supreme commanders, conducted any successful military activity

    About them, I can say that they stained themselves with such shit .. that they don’t wash off and after a hundred years - in a word shit .. commanding officers.
    1. ramsi
      ramsi 14 November 2013 08: 30 New
      -35 qualifying.
      add Putin to them, for completeness triptych
      1. INTER
        INTER 14 November 2013 10: 04 New
        22
        Quote: ramsi
        add Putin to them, for completeness triptych

        Unlike the latter, he stopped the civil war in the country, did not let Russia fall apart, + won the war in South Ossetia, Syria, + unknown victories in backroom games and warriors.
        1. ramsi
          ramsi 14 November 2013 11: 43 New
          -12 qualifying.
          You are a yardstick to measure how much ... Well, yes, if so, then Yeltsin started an unconditionally "just" war in Chechnya, which it was impossible not to start; and Gorbachev tried to stop the collapse of the Union ... well, as best he could
          1. BARKAS
            BARKAS 14 November 2013 18: 21 New
            +3
            Quote: ramsi
            You are a yardstick to measure how much ... Well, yes, if so, then Yeltsin started an unconditionally "just" war in Chechnya, which it was impossible not to start; and Gorbachev tried to stop the collapse of the Union ... well, as best he could

            Who tried or wanted what but could not but only speculations about people judge only by the results of their deeds! And the idea of ​​the contest may be correct only, there shouldn’t be any variants with names; when voting, everyone should write the name of a worthy commander in his opinion!
        2. Ascetic
          Ascetic 14 November 2013 14: 04 New
          +3
          Quote: INTER
          unknown victories in backroom games and warriors.


          Something tells me that Snowden and how he ended up in Russia from a series of these unknown victories.
          1. military
            military 14 November 2013 15: 38 New
            0
            Quote: Ascetic
            Something tells me that Snowden and how he ended up in Russia from a series of these unknown victories.

            hi but how Serdyukov ended up in the chair of the Minister of Defense with him, because of the remoteness of events, doesn’t suggest anything? ... unless, of course, this is a secret strategic operation "ala-Kutuzov" ... laughing
          2. INTER
            INTER 15 November 2013 11: 19 New
            -1
            Quote: Ascetic
            Something tells me that Snowden and how he ended up in Russia from a series of these unknown victories.

            You understood me correctly and how you applied all this and played.
        3. goldfinger
          goldfinger 14 November 2013 14: 37 New
          +6
          What are you being modest about, not attributing to Putin the "lock in the toilet" of the Chechens in the second war?
          Judging by the media, it was brilliantly won by the militants of the Hero of Russia Akhmad Kadyrov. A tribute to who pays whom? I have not heard of the "Yablochko" or "Barynya" dance on the squares of the Euro-renovated Grozny. Unlike lezginka on Red Square. Maybe that's the way to "stop civil wars" cit. Who knows?
          1. INTER
            INTER 15 November 2013 11: 13 New
            -1
            Quote: goldfinger
            What are you being modest about, not attributing to Putin the "lock in the toilet" of the Chechens in the second war?
            Judging by the media, it was brilliantly won by the militants of the Hero of Russia Akhmad Kadyrov. A tribute to who pays whom? I have not heard of the "Yablochko" or "Barynya" dance on the squares of the Euro-renovated Grozny. Unlike lezginka on Red Square. Maybe that's the way to "stop civil wars" cit. Who knows?

            Sitting at a cozy table and not feeling pain, we are geniuses of thought. There were victims on the part of the Chechen people and on the other peoples (the Russian army), all of them are our citizens, sons, fathers, children, wives, who fell into the millstones of the interests of the oligarchy in the person of Berezovsky and Co., Anglo-Saxon interests, etc. And at the expense of tribute, this is a difficult question, everything was destroyed to the foundation, and in order to prevent further escalation, it was restored and the region was not stranger, but its own, this is the wisdom of the leadership in the face of GDP. And I want to add I have no idols! In addition, I add that today Chechnya is the most calm republic, and even the region of the Russian Federation, this should be rejoiced. If in Dagestan, Ingushetia and the CBD it would have been so calm, everything would have been OK. But not at that price. !!!!
        4. alone
          alone 14 November 2013 20: 24 New
          0
          Quote: INTER
          Unlike the latter, he stopped the civil war in the country, did not let Russia fall apart, + won the war in South Ossetia, Syria, + unknown victories in backroom games and warriors.


          I won’t argue about everything that was listed, but about Syria there is uncertainty, the battles continue with varying success
      2. ramsi
        ramsi 14 November 2013 15: 51 New
        -6
        hmm ... I never thought that such a jerk like Putin has so many secret admirers. Far still, you see, the Red Army
        1. goldfinger
          goldfinger 14 November 2013 16: 13 New
          +2
          Quote: ramsi
          hmm ... I never thought that such a jerk like Putin has so many secret admirers.

          "There is no prophet in his homeland." Take comfort in this biblical wisdom.
        2. Under
          Under 15 November 2013 04: 58 New
          +2
          Quote: ramsi
          hmm ... I never thought that such a jerk like Putin has so many secret admirers. Far still, you see, the Red Army

          Everything is right - the country of thieves, the country of slaves.
          1. INTER
            INTER 15 November 2013 11: 16 New
            0
            Quote: Anded
            Everything is right - the country of thieves, the country of slaves.

            Well, what do you specifically suggest ??? Only reasonably and real!
    2. Tersky
      Tersky 14 November 2013 08: 36 New
      24
      This creation-media project "The Name of Victory", another attempt by liberals from a la "west" to substitute true values. The people remember their heroes, not the Trotsky, Makhno and similar sold-out heroes.
      1. Ihrek
        Ihrek 14 November 2013 08: 57 New
        14
        The pack is a fat plus, the author is well done. Victor and you good also completely agree.
      2. APES
        APES 14 November 2013 09: 41 New
        13
        Quote: Tersky
        The people remember their heroes


        After the name of Russia - the name of Stalin is simply afraid to include
        1. I do not care
          I do not care 14 November 2013 11: 43 New
          +8
          Key phrase
          - I think the situation is as follows. The organizers of this "competition" logically calculated that Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin, if he had been in the list of great commanders, would surely have taken first place in it.
          Etching the name of Stalin from the history of Russia is a super task for liberal banderlogs.
          this is not a show, they simply rewrite the story: it didn’t work to cheat, let them forget.
          1. Under
            Under 15 November 2013 05: 00 New
            0
            Quote: me by
            Etching the name of Stalin from the history of Russia is a super task for liberal banderlogs.
            this is not a show, they simply rewrite the story: it didn’t work to cheat, let them forget.

            They threw a bone to you, and you are happy! Why don’t you remember Peter I, Alexander I and II?
      3. Very old
        Very old 14 November 2013 12: 15 New
        +6
        Victor, we already went through this
        "Name of Russia"
        "100 names of Russia", etc. etc.
        Sheer idiocy - someone is trying to narrow our memory down to 100 names. And Russia is immense, rich in minds, talents. Rich in heroes and geniuses, real plowmen and workers, an army I did not vote on "100 names" and now I will not
        The organizers of this circus show would go where on the podium to choose red-haired, brown-haired women, brunettes in swimsuits and without, it is easier to smoke brains, to make a fool of the crowd. WE ARE NOT A CROWD
        1. Ascetic
          Ascetic 14 November 2013 14: 24 New
          +5
          Quote: Very old
          "Name of Russia"
          "100 names of Russia", etc. etc.
          Absolute idiocy - someone is trying to narrow our memory to 100 names


          Monkey political strategists trained by Western PR managers can think of nothing but analogs of countless polls and ratings like the ratings of Forbes magazine. type who is the best. In general, all these contests under the plausible pretext of patriotic education like the scandalous Name of Russia or Russia-10 are nothing more than a cunning provocation that brings confusion and vacillation to the heads of citizens. Our country is great because it was distinguished and distinguished by the DIVERSITY of cultures, traditions of historical figures, and this diversity gives it an internal historical strength that no one can break, no matter how they try, including such "contests"
      4. RUSS
        RUSS 14 November 2013 13: 04 New
        0
        Makhno is not a hero, but he was distinguished by general thinking, though a small-town ....
  2. Tarpon
    Tarpon 14 November 2013 08: 29 New
    14
    We got these contests. Serious things turn into a show.
    1. rodevaan
      rodevaan 14 November 2013 08: 33 New
      +3
      Quote: Tarpon
      We got these contests. Serious things turn into a show.


      - Well, we are moving in step with the Westoid. We always wanted this as a straitjacket ....
    2. Vadim-Skeptic
      Vadim-Skeptic 14 November 2013 08: 49 New
      14
      <Serious stuff turns into a show.>
      This is the purpose of such competitions - to level outstanding Russian people.
      1. INTER
        INTER 14 November 2013 10: 05 New
        +2
        Quote: Vadim the Skeptic
        This is the purpose of such competitions - to level outstanding Russian people.

        To identify and educate new leaders! +
    3. alone
      alone 14 November 2013 20: 27 New
      0
      Quote: Tarpon
      We got these contests. Serious things turn into a show.


      it’s also cut. Just cut the pockets of the average citizens of the country. How can you determine who is better than Suvorov or Kutuzov? the merit of each of them to their homeland is invaluable.
  3. makarov
    makarov 14 November 2013 08: 35 New
    10
    ".. The fact of holding such competitions is already somewhat doubtful in itself, and, frankly, I do not fully understand its meaning, I do not understand the need to single out the best of the best .."

    Most of the commentators spoke about this. But the founders of the project, as always, do everything through the go. Instead of discussing the very direction of the project with the public in advance, they immediately moved the topic of the t.s. "at random", and sat down with his bare ass on a hedgehog began to turn on the brains, turn on the thought over the question "What's wrong ???"
    1. Very old
      Very old 14 November 2013 17: 55 New
      0
      PAVEL-makarov. why are you so shy? Through the ass, it is through it. (Lord, forgive me, the sinner)
  4. borisjdin1957
    borisjdin1957 14 November 2013 08: 39 New
    +9
    from the Don.
    I’ll subscribe to Starikov’s last words. And Medinsky and the hedgehog with them are Europozoid! As advertisement has already arrived, the names are on the other side. The logo on the national team jackets, again on the other side! Ratings, shows, off-screen bullish gossip. Damn, to drive the unfortunate media leaders to shit a broom !!!
    1. Very old
      Very old 14 November 2013 17: 58 New
      +1
      Dear Beaver, we did not buy these media. More grants abroad must be worked out. Oh what a hardworking job
  5. Baton
    Baton 14 November 2013 08: 40 New
    +4
    It is necessary to simply boycott this "poll". Each period of history has had its own personality in military affairs, and for each individual person there is his own "idol". Let it stay that way.
    1. Very old
      Very old 14 November 2013 18: 00 New
      +1
      Necessarily, without fail, - point blank not to see them, not to hear, not to notice
  6. igordok
    igordok 14 November 2013 08: 42 New
    +5
    An interesting excuse. Those. if, in addition to being a commander, he is also a good leader of the state, his name is not on the list of the competition. negative
  7. The comment was deleted.
  8. Ihrek
    Ihrek 14 November 2013 08: 50 New
    +7
    Quote: The same Lech
    Neither Gorbachev nor Yeltsin, being the supreme commanders, conducted any successful military activity

    About them, I can say that they stained themselves with such shit .. that they don’t wash off and after a hundred years - in a word shit .. commanding officers.

    Their success is huge, it is priceless, but not for its country but for its enemies.
  9. artifox
    artifox 14 November 2013 08: 57 New
    +8
    All these contests are complete nonsense. 85% of Runet users are students who don’t know history either. And even more so, to evaluate the significance of any of the victories ... By the way, is Peter I there? Or are victories under his leadership not key in the history of the country?

    In general, complete nonsense ...
    1. Under
      Under 15 November 2013 05: 07 New
      0
      Quote: artifox
      In general, complete nonsense ...

      Why so? Students who are not interested in anything, this project will open the great compatriots.
  10. Mikhail m
    Mikhail m 14 November 2013 09: 03 New
    +8
    We need to talk more about all the commanders, about all the heroes of Russia.

    That's where the main thing is. We know about Caesar as much as about Kutuzov. We list the Roman and Greek gods easily, but we will think about Slavic gods. What kind of liberal is this who made up the school curriculum so much that since childhood we consider the western to be the best? Why is the Latin sign considered to be chic? It is necessary to start from the roots, with the education of children, and not a tree with rotten fruits to shake.
  11. Unisonic
    Unisonic 14 November 2013 09: 10 New
    +5
    These competitions do not reflect reality. By the way, recently, at one of the same competitions, the Heart of Chechnya mosque almost became Russia's number 1 symbol. Only some frauds with cellular communications helped to avoid this.

    It would be better if a unified textbook on history would be more likely accepted.
    1. Very old
      Very old 14 November 2013 18: 04 New
      0
      The question is who will be among the authors of the textbook. Otherwise, they’ll write such a thing - hair on end, ears will fall off, in the eyes of darkness
  12. nemec55
    nemec55 14 November 2013 09: 17 New
    +3
    This is the fifth column called the media.
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 14 November 2013 11: 56 New
      +1
      You mean SMRAD media advertising agitation disinformation?
  13. volcano
    volcano 14 November 2013 09: 21 New
    +7
    These contests idiocy is a fact
    A bunch of strange commanders is a fact
    Stalin is not needed here. The great leader of the country is a fact. Great commander? ... hmm .... not a fact. Otherwise, instead of Suvorov, mother Ekaterina must be indicated, and instead of Alexander Kutuzov 1

    And yes, the best commander of Russia Suvorov ... 60 battles 60 victories .... Always (or almost always) won in the minority.
    Napoleon himself was afraid of Suvorov ..... GENERALISSIMUS .... received deservedly (not like Stalin) ... And there were only 5 of them in the entire history of mankind ... if you discard Stalin and a couple more (not I already remember ... delving into laziness) That is the recognition of both the people of the West and the State Leaders.
    Well, about SCIENCE TO WIN I will not say anything ... despite some things, great work ..
    And by the way, it was SUVOROV who said .... Take care of the soldier ....
    Soviet commanders in this, as it were, have never been noticed ..... (without detracting from their merits) but nonetheless.
    1. nemec55
      nemec55 14 November 2013 09: 36 New
      +1
      No matter how some judge Stalin, but with him we won, and be in his place bald ?????
      1. Walker1975
        Walker1975 14 November 2013 16: 10 New
        +1
        And if under Stalin instead of Zhukov and Rokosovsky there would have been Serdyukov and Shoigu? If yes, if only ...
    2. Walker1975
      Walker1975 14 November 2013 16: 09 New
      -1
      The competition is idiocy. There is nothing to discuss. And I agree about Stalin. As the head of state, Stalin overslept Hitler’s invasion, the fact that several million people surrendered, thousands of tanks and planes were lost, it was necessary to retreat to Moscow and the Volga, to surrender Ukraine ... Is this a military genius? And then, did Stalin develop operations? Not Shaposhnikov, Rokossovsky, Zhukov ...? It’s good to be a generalisimus - Zhukov’s authority is growing - to translate it ... things are going bad again - to return Zhukov. And all the glory is to you. And just sit with a smart look and give orders: let’s take Kiev by November 7, and let’s take Berlin by May 1.
    3. corn
      corn 14 November 2013 22: 22 New
      0
      In Russia (until 1917), four received: Shein, Menshikov, Braunschweig, Suvorov. In the USSR, Stalin. Shamil kicked Russian citizenship as a Turkish generalissimo.
      In the world throughout history, about a hundred have been appropriated.
  14. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 14 November 2013 09: 22 New
    +4
    Yes, everything is clear why Stalin is not in the competition, because if he had been there, the competition could have ended quietly because the winner is known in advance. And since television is a breeding ground for liberoids, they cannot allow this to happen. They are already bored with the Name of Russia Stalin should be reset to zero, while stupid excuses about hackers only made the country laugh.
  15. tolyasik0577
    tolyasik0577 14 November 2013 09: 24 New
    +3
    Alexander Suvorov personally sympathizes with me. really talented warlord. moreover, his main concern was soldiers. which can not be said about the rest of the generals and commanders whose purpose was to achieve their goals. Recall at least Rzhev. and commanders Zhukov G.K. and Koneva I.S. And the competition ... - for us is another reason to recall the story, for the media to earn loot. I remember a couple of years ago, too, someone was chosen. I don’t remember how it all ended and what led to it, but, in my opinion, they chose Nevsky
  16. pahom54
    pahom54 14 November 2013 09: 30 New
    +1
    For some reason, it is tempting to call the organizers of this and earlier similar contests provocateurs who do not respect and insult the history of Russia ...
  17. ed65b
    ed65b 14 November 2013 09: 35 New
    +2
    The author hit the bull's eye. Vote for Yermolov.
    1. Peaceful military
      Peaceful military 14 November 2013 11: 55 New
      +2
      Quote: ed65b
      The author hit the bull's eye. Vote for Yermolov.

      And you there too ... It's not about who to vote for, but about the idiocy and harm of this and similar votes. fool
  18. amicus
    amicus 14 November 2013 09: 46 New
    +3
    Quote: ramsi
    add Putin to them, for completeness triptych

    Let's be fair, if we sometimes walk past the urinal, Putin is not necessarily to blame personally ..
    And then it’s already out of place and out of place, they bow the president ... I’m here, a neighbor, I was flashing the garage door, so is Putin also to blame? laughing
    1. military
      military 14 November 2013 15: 54 New
      0
      Quote: amicus
      Let's be fair, if we sometimes walk past the urinal, Putin is not necessarily to blame personally ..

      good
      at the same time, for the sake of justice, it should be noted ... that the rest of the time the whole country "goes" directly to the urinal, his personal merits are also not ... or am I mistaken? ... repeat
      Quote: amicus
      I have a neighbor besieged the garage door, so is Putin also to blame?

      if your neighbor is Putin, then perhaps you’re still to blame ... repeat although, if you decide to sue, - a surprise awaits you ... the gate will be guilty ... laughing
  19. RA77
    RA77 14 November 2013 09: 54 New
    +2
    I have long noticed that if you are interested in the title of an article, you need to read from the end.
  20. taseka
    taseka 14 November 2013 10: 03 New
    +2
    For starters, let these organizers flip through the history of Russia!
  21. Tanysh
    Tanysh 14 November 2013 10: 18 New
    +2
    History can be manipulated for any tasks, but its not knowledge and loss always leads to disastrous results, turns into a farce. Each commander fought in his own time, so you can’t lose those little bits of experience that they left for us. THINKING NEEDS OF THE LORD is not about how much you will be paid for chatter.
  22. George
    George 14 November 2013 10: 19 New
    +8
    Hello all.
    Honestly, all these votes in my opinion-stupidly cut some money.
    Under the guise of each person’s contribution to society. Say, vote, or lose!
    It reminded me of a joke about the assembly of human organs, the brain naturally presides:
    The spleen rises and says:
    - Let's remove the liver!
    Brain:
    - What are you drake !? Without a liver we have a kayuk!
    Spleen again:
    - Well then, the kidneys!
    Brain:
    - And without the kidneys, let’s bend!
    And then a member gets up and says:
    - And let's remove the spleen!?
    Brain:
    - Really! Let's !
    Spleen:
    - That's always like that! As soon as a member rises, so the brain ceases to think.
    1. Peaceful military
      Peaceful military 14 November 2013 11: 47 New
      0
      Quote: GEORGE
      Hello all.
      Honestly, all these votes in my opinion-stupidly cut some money.
      Under the guise of each person’s contribution to society. Say, vote, or lose!
      It reminded me of a joke about the assembly of human organs, the brain naturally presides:
      The spleen rises and says:
      - Let's remove the liver!
      Brain:
      - What are you drake !? Without a liver we have a kayuk!
      Spleen again:
      - Well then, the kidneys!
      Brain:
      - And without the kidneys, let’s bend!
      And then a member gets up and says:
      - And let's remove the spleen!?
      Brain:
      - Really! Let's !
      Spleen:
      - That's always like that! As soon as a member rises, so the brain ceases to think.

      Well, damn it, I wrote a little lower about it ... soldier
  23. vlad.svargin
    vlad.svargin 14 November 2013 10: 35 New
    +2
    Meanwhile, petitions demanding the return of Stalin to the list of the great military leaders of our country are already being addressed to the organizers of this competition ... Thank God that a war of such a scale as the Great Patriotic War has been in our history only once. And therefore, it is simply impossible to consider Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin separately from his leadership of the armed forces during the war. He was indeed the Supreme Commander-in-Chief in the full sense of this post, and in many respects it is to him that we owe our victory over the enemy ... then let us ask ourselves: why didn’t the Germans defeat against Hitler, why did the French not defeat against Napoleon? The role of the commander, the role of the individual in the history of military conflicts is largely decisive.

    If we begin to find out who is “cooler” - Alexander Suvorov or Mikhail Kutuzov, it will not lead to anything good in the end. We need to talk more about all the commanders, about all the heroes of Russia. This, in my opinion, is the most faithful method of patriotic education.


    The article is fair in everything. I subscribe to the opinion of Viktor Martynyuk and support him. The rating has political overtones, mostly "liberoid", with double standards. It is impossible to change history at will for the sake of the ideology of today and artificially keep silent about the obvious.
  24. aviamed90
    aviamed90 14 November 2013 10: 51 New
    +2
    I don’t understand the purpose of this contest.

    What is it for?
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 14 November 2013 18: 01 New
      0
      Quote: aviamed90
      I don’t understand the purpose of this contest.

      What is it for?

      Who for what ...
      Lovers of "European values" - imitation, "Schaub like Europe had." And they cannot understand with their meager mind that neither in Europe nor in the United States there will be as many great commanders as Russia has!
      "To the quiet puppeteers" - in order to erase the memory of heroes, to displace heroes-not heroes into a heap, and I.V. To erase Stalin once again in memory
      The company conducting this survey - cut down some money. Are we paying for SMS?
      So those pursuing their goals are gaining enough
      Only here they have no coincidence with the interests of the people.
  25. erofich
    erofich 14 November 2013 11: 10 New
    +2
    I agree with all previous speakers - the rating is pindotvorestvo. Both Yeltsin and Gorbachev - only 2 people, as well as Kerensky and Lenin - successfully sold the country, which they built for centuries in spite of everything and everyone.
    1. tolyasik0577
      tolyasik0577 14 November 2013 11: 33 New
      0
      you are like in that movie - "a million years before our era" - if you let me agree with each of you smile
  26. itr
    itr 14 November 2013 11: 32 New
    +1
    I think the purpose of this competition is to simply remind people that these people were
    I would also like to remind some that the earth is round
    A minimum of knowledge of their history will not hurt anyone
    1. aviamed90
      aviamed90 14 November 2013 11: 50 New
      +1
      itr

      In order to recall these people you just need to learn and love the history of your country.
      And do not compare: who is cooler - Suvorov or Zhukov.
      This is stupid.
    2. Belogor
      Belogor 14 November 2013 11: 51 New
      +1
      One of the few reasonable comments. If someone does not like something, then you can not participate in this. And if the student learns on that site that something new for himself from the history of our country. It can be considered that the competition was a success. Among 100 generals there are a lot of worthy people. Than criticize without knowing the question, it is better to go and see for yourself.
  27. Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 14 November 2013 11: 45 New
    0
    I absolutely support N. Starikov. What an idiotic idea, and even in an idiotic performance ... It's like identifying the top best organs of man. But it would not be bad to arrange this for the liberals, with the subsequent removal of what was not included in the top.
  28. kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 14 November 2013 11: 57 New
    +1
    The article is correct and, most importantly, timely, but our would-be liberals did some heap: as they say, they confused "God's gift with scrambled eggs." I must admit that he was a good organizer, but at the same time a cruel executioner (remember the decimation he introduced), and what battle did he win? But the one who was undeservedly "forgotten" by the liberals, rallied the people and personally led the Army and the Navy and ultimately defeated Nazi Germany and his name was the USSR GENERALISSIMUS Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin! Name me at least one commander in the world with whose name our soldiers went to their deaths and won: "For the Motherland! For Stalin!" Again, another attempt to revise History, an attempt to undermine our historical roots. What else can you expect from the "inferior" liberals! I would like to recall another GREAT COMMANDER-FLEETER SAINT FEDOR USHAKOV, at the mere mention of this name the hearts of Russians are filled with pride and warmth! Who else can boast of a military commander elevated to the SAINTS, where is such a country?)
  29. serge
    serge 14 November 2013 12: 11 New
    +1
    Actually, what is wrong with ranking the best people in Russia? At the same time, teenagers and many adults will learn a lot about the history of the Fatherland. It’s another matter that the direct enemies of the people are leading the course of these ratings, the inclusion of Trotsky and Yeltsin among our commanders cannot be explained in any other way.
    1. Belogor
      Belogor 14 November 2013 13: 55 New
      0
      there is no Yeltsin, where did you get ???
      "I haven't read Pasternak, but I condemn" negative
      1. serge
        serge 14 November 2013 18: 22 New
        0
        I saw this rating, I saw. And Pasternak read, but condemn.
  30. The comment was deleted.
  31. Zymran
    Zymran 14 November 2013 12: 35 New
    +1
    Objectively speaking, Suvorov is "cooler", of course.
  32. admrall
    admrall 14 November 2013 13: 07 New
    0
    Quote: The same Lech
    Neither Gorbachev nor Yeltsin, being the supreme commanders, conducted any successful military activity

    About them, I can say that they stained themselves with such shit .. that they don’t wash off and after a hundred years - in a word shit .. commanding officers.

    I would add this disgrace to our history page
  33. RUSS
    RUSS 14 November 2013 13: 11 New
    +1
    In the article and in the comments, there are again a lot of words about the absence of Stalin and that these "contests" are useless and no one needs her. I propose to create an alternative competition where Stalin will be, so it will probably be more correct, but whoever does not like such competitions, do not participate.

    PS The current government in every possible way "removes" Stalin from history, whether someone likes it or not, but this is a fact.
  34. Alexandr0id
    Alexandr0id 14 November 2013 13: 59 New
    0
    the impression is that people simply have nothing to do - they constantly arrange some ridiculous contests. let’s say, let’s compare the incomparable, move everything to smithereens, discuss it on all TV shows. but what in the end, what is the purpose? not her.
  35. Nagaibak
    Nagaibak 14 November 2013 14: 33 New
    +1
    Comparing our commanders with each other is a stupid and worthless undertaking. Those who invented these degenerates.
  36. Vladimir-35136
    Vladimir-35136 14 November 2013 14: 38 New
    0
    Like the Russia-10 contest, this one should be carried out according to the rule, add your attraction and your hero-commander. So we will sow with sieve, and collect in a handful.
  37. Alexey M
    Alexey M 14 November 2013 16: 01 New
    -1
    The competition, of course, is complete, but Suvorov sympathizes with me more.
    The trouble is that our media do not have enough of their minds and that’s why they copy everything from the West. And Western thinking for the majority froze in kindergarten and they hold such contests.
  38. wax
    wax 14 November 2013 16: 34 New
    +1
    In 1943, the first awards of the VICTORY order took place. The holder of the order badge No. 1 was the commander of the 1st Ukrainian Front, Marshal of the Soviet Union Georgy ZHUKOV. Order No. 2 was received by the Chief of the General Staff, Marshal of the Soviet Union Alexander VASILEVSKY. Order No. 3 was awarded to the Supreme Commander-in-Chief Marshal of the Soviet Union Joseph STALIN. They were awarded this order a second time.
    On June 26, two days after the Victory Parade was held on Red Square, the merits of the Supreme Commander-in-Chief of STALIN were noted by the Presidium of the Supreme Council of the USSR, which awarded him the title of Hero of the Soviet Union by special decree and awarded him with the second VICTORY order. The next day, June 27, a decree was signed on the establishment of the military rank of Generalissimo of the Soviet Union and on the assignment of this rank to Stalin.
    None of the military leaders questioned the supremacy of Stalin in making decisions on military issues in the Second World War.
    1. dag 05.ru
      dag 05.ru 14 November 2013 20: 05 New
      0
      No matter how great a great person Stalin was, all subsequent Soviet leaders were no good for him.
  39. GRIGORY
    GRIGORY 14 November 2013 16: 37 New
    0
    Compare generals complete nonsense. Each commander has contributed to the history of GREAT RUSSIA.
    And who decided to earn a full __________ on this "nonsense" !!!
  40. Cherdak
    Cherdak 14 November 2013 17: 37 New
    +2
    ONLY SUCH COLUMNERS COULD BE FORCED TO SPEAK THIS
  41. kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 14 November 2013 18: 11 New
    0
    We must remember that each commander corresponds to his era and only militant stupidity begins to compare and even try to establish a rating for each of them. It’s stupid to come up with an idea, but it’s not so simple to determine who is cooler, as they say, "yellow-horned". another attempt to substitute history, under the guise of developing students' independent thinking. Let us recall the history lessons that took place in Soviet schools, but I don’t remember that the teacher gave the task to determine the steepness of the commanders. It is possible and necessary to analyze historical events, military operations, but to determine the ratings of military leaders ... MARASM
  42. dag 05.ru
    dag 05.ru 14 November 2013 20: 01 New
    0
    Quote: nemec55
    No matter how some judge Stalin, but with him we won, and be in his place bald ?????

    Eliminating the name of Stalin is a great injustice. Whatever attitude he had, this man stood at the helm of the state in his most difficult years, thank God then there were none like Yeltsin or Gorbachev.
  43. So_o_tozh
    So_o_tozh 14 November 2013 20: 33 New
    +1
    I think the purpose of this contest is to understand what percentage of Internet and zomboyaschik users have forgotten their history and the role of true patriots of their homeland in it.