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Chinese stealth bomber H-18 may soon become a reality

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Chinese stealth bomber H-18 may soon become a realityRecently, an image of a developed Chinese stealth bomber H-18 with an estimated length of 28-30 m was published on the American military photo resource Military Photos, the estimated reported mil.news.sina.com.cn.


Foreign military enthusiasts believe that this unobtrusive bomber medium range equipped with two turbofans with high thrust, the maximum range of about 8000-9000 km combat radius 3500-3700 km, the maximum speed 2M, weapons load 12-15 m. The plane has an internal bomb bay 8 m in length and in different configurations can carry up to 72 small-caliber guided bombs, four strategic RC (3000 km) SDB-10 type, four supersonic YJ-12 anti-radar missiles or Orel-100 anti-radar missiles. The bomber will be able to strike at US military bases on Fr. Guam.

To improve stealth characteristics, the aircraft was designed according to the “flying wing” scheme. Colonel Wu Guohui, a professor at China’s National University of Defense, said the development of the "invisible bomber" is one of the priority programs in the military aviation. Currently, stealth bombers are being developed by the United States and Russia.

The article states that the development of a Chinese bomber is facing difficulties. It is possible that this is true, but, as a rule, practice shows that such “drawings” are always embodied in metal, as was the case with the J-31 fighter and the Sword drone drone, information about which appeared two years ago, but in last year they became a reality.

The United States has created three types of stealth bombers - F-117, A-12, B-2 and are developing a promising NGB (new generation bomber). F-117 is currently withdrawn from the US Air Force, the A-12 program was canceled in 1990, B-2 is in service. A stealth bomber being developed by Russia is still at the stage of blowing a model in a wind tunnel.
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  1. And Us Rat
    And Us Rat 13 November 2013 11: 03
    +4
    Oppa gangnam style belay Already copied something somewhere, little devils, but Lockheed A-12 is a scout and not a bomber. Xerox is clearly preparing for something.
    1. Aryan
      Aryan 13 November 2013 12: 09
      +5
      The main thing is that in the Russian sky they were not visible
      in the original sense of the word angry
      1. Geisenberg
        Geisenberg 13 November 2013 15: 42
        +2
        Quote: Aryan
        The main thing is that in the Russian sky they were not visible
        in the original sense of the word angry


        On the contrary! The main thing that it was visible to them, in every sense laughing
      2. Cherdak
        Cherdak 13 November 2013 21: 28
        0
        And it will not be visible - the Chinese conceived an underwater rocket carrier!
    2. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 13 November 2013 12: 16
      +1
      What are preparing clearly for Taiwan!
      1. mirag2
        mirag2 13 November 2013 12: 59
        +3
        Why are you surprised? China has not forgotten how the Japanese removed their skin ...
        Even if China does not fight there, but spoils the nerves of both the Japanese and the USA, they will already be reorienting there with the BV.
    3. lelikas
      lelikas 13 November 2013 13: 15
      +4
      Foreign military enthusiasts believe-
      Looks like "British scientists have proven ..."
    4. Tjumenec72
      Tjumenec72 13 November 2013 16: 05
      +1
      Quote: And Us Rat
      Oppa gangnam style belay Already copied something somewhere, little devils, but Lockheed A-12 is a scout and not a bomber. Xerox is clearly preparing for something.

      that's what this is about - a stormtrooper for the U.S.
    5. timer
      timer 13 November 2013 18: 35
      +2
      I read all komenty. They are basically all jokey-like Chinese only pans know how to copy and produce. But in vain !! Underestimation of the Asian dragon as well as re-evaluation is myopia and unprofessionalism! If Russia with such zeal, like China, sought to break the edge of the technical progress (including the military field), we didn’t sit in the same place ... as now. Yes, sometimes their attempts may seem ridiculous and ridiculous to someone. But they move step by step towards the strategic goals outlined by the CCP, not sobbing about their results at the corners.
    6. Cherdak
      Cherdak 13 November 2013 21: 20
      0
      Let the Chinese better bring their "tuning" to this monster - it looks more like a dragon
    7. Ermak
      Ermak 13 November 2013 22: 41
      +2
      "Professor of the National University of Defense of China Colonel Wu Guohui ..." Professor is gorgeous !!! )))))
    8. mvg
      mvg 14 November 2013 01: 41
      0
      mcdonel douglas a-12 was replacing all hornets, thunderbolts, corsairs and other rubbish. but lockheed to replace sr-71. the author had in mind evangier, i.e. mcdouglas.
  2. svp67
    svp67 13 November 2013 11: 03
    +2
    Recently, an image of the Chinese-developed stealth bomber N-18 with an estimated length of 28-30 m was published on the American military photo resource Military Photos
    - another "fortune-telling on the coffee grounds" ... Americans "know how" to FANTASY ...
    1. APES
      APES 13 November 2013 11: 47
      +2
      Quote: svp67
      Americans "know how" to FANTASY


      rather they know how to justify their budget in terms of the need to increase costs in order to deal with an "invisible" enemy
    2. Vadivak
      Vadivak 13 November 2013 11: 56
      +6
      Quote: ...
      Chinese stealth bomber N-18


      It seems to me that in the photo JH-X Chinese front-line bomber
      1. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 13 November 2013 12: 09
        +2
        Quote: Vadivak
        It seems to me that in the photo JH-X Chinese front-line bomber

        If the proportions with the machine and people are observed in the picture in the article, then what size is it, a front bomber? belay Crew - 47 people?
        1. IRBIS
          IRBIS 13 November 2013 14: 20
          +3
          Quote: Vladimirets
          Crew - 47 people?

          You offend the Chinese! What is 47 people? On a plane like this? it's just "steer"! And who will flap their wings and throw the dust out of the plane to ensure invisibility on the fly?
          1. Vladimirets
            Vladimirets 13 November 2013 15: 27
            +1
            Quote: IRBIS
            and dust, to ensure invisibility, to throw shovels out of the plane on the fly?

            Imitation of a dust storm?
            1. IRBIS
              IRBIS 13 November 2013 18: 41
              0
              Quote: Vladimirets
              Imitation of a dust storm?

              Imitation of flight ... And invisibility ...
          2. Revolver
            Revolver 13 November 2013 19: 55
            +2
            Quote: IRBIS
            You offend the Chinese! What is 47 people? On a plane like this? it's just "steer"! And who will flap their wings and throw the dust out of the plane to ensure invisibility on the fly?

            Yes, no, there are only 2 pilots, the rest of the stokers - you need to throw coal into their jet furnaces.laughing
            It is not for nothing that they superseded the SU-27, and they buy engines for them in Russia, they themselves have only mastered the technology of coal furnaces.
            But the smoke from the coal fireboxes - no smoke screen is needed, that’s invisibility. laughing
      2. silver_roman
        silver_roman 13 November 2013 17: 27
        0
        some stupid stealth: the shape of the fuselage is semicircular - the EPR will not be small ...
        all this duck somehow reminds ...
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    4. Vadivak
      Vadivak 13 November 2013 11: 59
      +2
      Quote: svp67
      ... Americans "know how" to FANTASY ...


      The Chinese, too ... in figure H-8

      Empty weight: 47880-52,912 kg,
      Length: 24.03 m

      Height: 4.51 m
      Wingspan: 65.27 m
      Maximum bomb load: 25,254 kg
      Maximum speed 1,5 m

      Range: 13,328 km,
      Maximum Takeoff Weight: 205 tons.
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 13 November 2013 12: 23
        +2
        Something does not look like a picture ... more on a 3D model.
        1. Basileus
          Basileus 13 November 2013 12: 47
          +1
          This is photoshop. So close and as such a photo of a Chinese promising combat vehicle? It doesn’t happen)
          1. Wedmak
            Wedmak 13 November 2013 13: 09
            0
            Do you not believe in Chinese tales? wassat
            1. Basileus
              Basileus 13 November 2013 13: 12
              +1
              This is not a fairy tale. The Chinese prefer to show their inventions - this was the case with the Type-99, and with 5G fighters. Only they always show from afar and from a perspective from which nifiga is incomprehensible. And here is such a clear image))

              Not to mention the fact that even in such a small picture it is clear that this is Photoshop.
        2. Vadivak
          Vadivak 13 November 2013 14: 59
          +2
          Quote: Wedmak
          Something does not look like a picture ... more on a 3D model.


          I did not write about the picture, but about the drawing.
          1. fzr1000
            fzr1000 13 November 2013 15: 11
            +1
            Something island or someone's coast was fucked up? Taiwan? Hardly. Japan? May be. USA? Primorye?
            1. Vadivak
              Vadivak 13 November 2013 15: 43
              +2
              Quote: fzr1000
              Something island or someone's coast was fucked up?

              It seems to me guam hi
  3. Ihrek
    Ihrek 13 November 2013 11: 05
    +3
    The speed with which arms China is scary. It is good that this is not directed against Russia, but what will be unknown tomorrow.
    1. 3.7.964
      3.7.964 13 November 2013 11: 33
      +5
      Quote: Jamal
      The speed with which arms China is scary. It is good that this is not directed against Russia, but what will be unknown tomorrow.

      Where such confidence? With China, you need to keep your eyes open. Remember "Damansky".
      1. velikoros-xnumx
        velikoros-xnumx 13 November 2013 12: 23
        0
        Quote: 3.7.964
        With China, you need to keep your eyes open. Remember "Damansky".

        And not only. Good material on this topic is set out in the book (I do not remember the author, there are great confrontations from the series). Russia China 300 years on the brink of peace and war. Recommend
      2. PSih2097
        PSih2097 13 November 2013 22: 14
        0
        Quote: 3.7.964
        Remember "Damansky".

        That's why we need to resume production of RSD (instead of RMD - Iskander will do) ... And then we just look in the US's mouth and think, "what will Kalterbruner say ... (C) Boris Leontiev. The Adventures of Standartenfuehrer CC von Stirlitz."
  4. And Us Rat
    And Us Rat 13 November 2013 11: 09
    +4
    Quote: Jamal
    It’s good that this is not directed against Russia ...


    Are you so confident in the Chinese?
    1. Old skeptic
      Old skeptic 13 November 2013 11: 24
      +3
      With their population density, one "Voivode" will turn China into the most sparsely populated country in the world.
      1. ed65b
        ed65b 13 November 2013 11: 40
        +1
        Quote: Old Skeptic
        With their population density, one "Voivode" will turn China into the most sparsely populated country in the world.

        it is if you choke in the south and along the coast, there is no one in the north.
        1. Old skeptic
          Old skeptic 13 November 2013 11: 44
          0
          Well, rockets need to be saved. wink
        2. Onyx
          Onyx 13 November 2013 16: 12
          +3
          Quote: ed65b
          it is if you choke in the south and along the coast, there is no one in the north.

          You are tearing the pattern for many. Many are convinced that 1,5 billion Chinese are standing near the border with Russia and now they will capture Siberia and the Far East
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  6. ed65b
    ed65b 13 November 2013 11: 43
    +2
    This is what makes us different from the Chinese. We are still blowing the model, and so blowing it away, riveted it in the sky itself is blown. they’ll process it with a file, tap with a mallet. Then they scratch turnips that ento does not reach the best world standards. laughing
    1. Gooch v. 2
      Gooch v. 2 13 November 2013 11: 51
      +7
      Quote: ed65b
      This is what makes us different from the Chinese. We are still blowing the model, and so blowing it away, riveted it in the sky itself is blown. they’ll process it with a file, tap with a mallet. Then they scratch turnips that ento does not reach the best world standards. laughing

      Russia can’t even fake an average iPhone, not just do it there; the Chinese automotive industry has left the Russian industry far behind, with its basins, kamaziks, and gazelles, I’m silent about high technologies like microelectronics, communications, and so on, I don’t chase the Chinese, if there is a need they will build anything at the proper level, the mosquito of the nose will not tarnish.
      1. shinobi
        shinobi 13 November 2013 12: 56
        +2
        Here you are, dear, not quite honest. We can very much copy something imported, but it’s not worth the task. About Apple products is generally a joke! It's expensive to use a chore, it’s better to copy Samsung in terms of price / quality ratio.
        1. Gooch v. 2
          Gooch v. 2 13 November 2013 13: 22
          +1
          Quote: shinobi
          Here you are, dear, not quite honest. We can very much copy something imported, but it’s not worth the task. About Apple products is generally a joke! It's expensive to use a chore, it’s better to copy Samsung in terms of price / quality ratio.

          right, why should we set tasks, why work, what to produce (at least copy), you can sit hanging eggs and think about what kind of Chinese are crooked, as one of my comrades said, now it’s such a time to sell is more profitable than to produce something, so In this way, the Chinese killed all Russian production, the Chinese work, make the final product, and the Rassiyans will be all the time managers, targeting telephones, but the way it is at the moment.
      2. Basileus
        Basileus 13 November 2013 12: 56
        0
        Yes, I saw a friend put "black boxes" on Howo. All wires are WHITE. I don’t know how they are with the quality (and, no, I know - also so-so), but the production culture is in trouble.
        1. Gooch v. 2
          Gooch v. 2 13 November 2013 13: 25
          0
          Quote: Basileus
          Yes, I saw a friend put "black boxes" on Howo. All wires are WHITE. I don’t know how they are with the quality (and, no, I know - also so-so), but the production culture is in trouble.

          Oga, in Russia with a culture of production, all type is top, I'm just not sure about the color choice of Russian products.

          No culture, they would only sew sneakers in the basement, oh, these stupid Chinese
          1. Basileus
            Basileus 13 November 2013 15: 59
            0
            Well, a coil of white wires I saw with my own eyes.

            Actually, I like your style of conversation. Let me do it too and write a completely left sentence. If you love China so much, why not go live there?
      3. fzr1000
        fzr1000 13 November 2013 13: 20
        +2
        Average iPhone really. And the Chinese automotive industry is complete g ... but. And do not forget how many global automakers have long had their own production in China, and Chinese cars are all the same complete ... but.
        I continue on the topic, I see a thing in the store that was assembled or "made" in China, I do not take it. Well, except for IKEA, laptops, batteries, light bulbs, shoes and clothing from world brands. And so I try to take - Japan, Korea, Taiwan, Vietnam, Thailand, Malaysia, Singapore, Cambodia, or even collected in our Kaliningrad.
        Because the Chinese are well-known hack workers and tricksters. Sometimes you want to chop off their crooked hands so that they do not climb and do not mess up goods and brands. In their furnace.
        1. Gooch v. 2
          Gooch v. 2 13 November 2013 13: 40
          -2
          Quote: fzr1000
          Average iPhone really. And the Chinese automotive industry is complete g ... but. And do not forget how many global automakers have long had their own production in China, and Chinese cars are all the same complete ... but.

          Oga, Russian basins rule.) I would rather ride the Great Wall or Brilliance than the Russian basin



          I continue on the topic, I see a thing in the store that was assembled or "made" in China, I do not take it. Well, except for IKEA, laptops, batteries, light bulbs, shoes and clothing from world brands. And so I try to take - Japan, Korea, Taiwan, Vietnam, Thailand, Malaysia, Singapore, Cambodia, or even collected in our Kaliningrad.

          Oga, Vietnam, Thailand and Cambodia are world leaders in the production of electronics, microchips, processors and textolite boards lol You probably only wear Prado, Gucci and Armani, and fly every week to Milan, Paris or New York, where you have to go to the consumer goods in which half of Russia dresses, oh yes, I completely forgot, you fly directly over the phone in the USA, Malaysia, Taiwan, to the manufacturer’s factory, and you get a laptop from authorized dealers, great to tell you about your adventures to other compatriots? let them compare prices, reflect.

          Because the Chinese are well-known hack workers and tricksters. Sometimes you want to chop off their crooked hands so that they do not climb and do not mess up goods and brands. In their furnace.

          before stigmatizing anyone, try to do something yourself.)
          They are ABLE to do things and do. Do not f ** k a flea for * er unnecessary shoeing, but collect, sew, twist. Maybe what kind of Kulibin will start and at least
          the release of a thread more sensible than the 133 series of chips. And then the conversation will be appropriate, but at the moment there is no intelligible crowing, no argument
          1. Wedmak
            Wedmak 13 November 2013 13: 47
            +4
            I would rather ride the Great Wall or Brilliance than the Russian basin

            And what are they better with the exception of the design ... stolen from Toyota?
            1. Gooch v. 2
              Gooch v. 2 13 November 2013 13: 56
              0
              Quote: Wedmak
              And what are they better with the exception of the design ... stolen from Toyota?

              commonplace example.
              the most affordable Patriot is deprived of airbags, alloy wheels, heated front seats, electric rear window heating and a number of other, in general, things that are necessary in everyday life. Even a commonplace anti-lock system, the presence of which has recently been mandatory.


              Great Wall Hover is equipped much more seriously: a rear view camera, a leather interior, rear parking sensors and an electric driver’s seat, coupled with a multimedia system that reads any format, can seduce anyone. And all this for the same 755 000 rubles! However, this is not the limit. A buyer who paid a fixed price for Hover 865 000 rubles gets at his disposal a car with a rear-view camera, temperature and tire pressure monitoring system, cruise control, on-board computer and, most importantly, with an automatic transmission.


              Hover Salon:

              Patriot Salon

              a comment from the owner of the UAZ salon "Not everything that you see here works, far from everything"
              1. Wedmak
                Wedmak 13 November 2013 14: 25
                +4
                And all this for the same 755 rubles! However, this is not the limit. The buyer who paid a fixed price of 000 rubles for Hover

                Well ... I don't know, I don't know ... for this price I'd rather buy a Toyota. Or Hyundai, or Volkswagen, or ... in general, not China. Albeit in a "poorer" configuration.
                Maybe I'm a layman in cars, but I have more confidence in the VAZ than in the Chinese. And the choice was ... I bought a VAZ. For what for.
                Although I have a Huawei phone ... there are no complaints, the convenient one works smartly and has not been buggy for 2 years already.
                1. Gooch v. 2
                  Gooch v. 2 13 November 2013 14: 39
                  0
                  Quote: Wedmak
                  Well ... I don't know, I don't know ... for this price I'd rather buy a Toyota. Or Hyundai, or Volkswagen, or ... in general, not China. Albeit in a "poorer" configuration.

                  Practice shows that people buy hovers, whoever says anything.
                  In 2005, Russian sales of GWM amounted to 4070 cars.
                  In 2006, 4788 Great Wall cars were sold in Russia.
                  In 2007, 6238 Great Wall cars were sold in Russia.
                  In 2008, 14 thousand Great Wall cars were sold in Russia

                  In 2012, Great Wall automobile sales in Russia amounted to 14 units, which is 373% higher than in 212. At the same time, global sales increased by 2011%, according to the press service of the manufacturer.
                  1. fzr1000
                    fzr1000 13 November 2013 15: 18
                    +1
                    Yes and x ... with them with sales growth. All the same, huh ... but. Our people have always been greedy for appearance. Will pass. Do you yourself, for example, seem to be driving this scrap metal? Or...
                    1. Gooch v. 2
                      Gooch v. 2 13 November 2013 15: 25
                      +2
                      Quote: fzr1000
                      Yes and x ... with them with sales growth. All the same, huh ... but. Our people have always been greedy for not appearance. Will pass. Do you yourself, for example, seem to be driving this scrap metal? Or...

                      Nope, I’m walking, I haven’t gone out for years to have my own car, now I’m thinking about buying a Chinese-made tablet PC, if you are competent in buying and looking for normal established brands in China, you can buy a quality product. There is already a tablet from ASUS I think to see Chinese options, because the filling in them is the same, but it can be better, just a little-known nameplate and that’s it.
                      1. fzr1000
                        fzr1000 13 November 2013 15: 31
                        +1
                        The screen, as a rule, is worse, although I could buy a Chinese tablet, because I consider it a useless thing and do not want to spend money on it. True, there is an inexpensive Gnusmas ... In short, good luck.
                      2. Gooch v. 2
                        Gooch v. 2 13 November 2013 15: 42
                        +1
                        Quote: fzr1000
                        The screen, as a rule, is worse, although I could buy a Chinese tablet, because I consider it a useless thing and do not want to spend money on it. True, there is an inexpensive Gnusmas ... In short, good luck.

                        Well, Samsung is also far from cheap) and there are Chinese tablets at a high level, the same PIPO in quality is not inferior to analogues.

                        The filling is like that of the tops, no worse than the Nexus, I have a nexus, the flight is normal, the current Chinese costs 6 tons cheaper
                      3. fzr1000
                        fzr1000 13 November 2013 16: 03
                        +1
                        By the way, take a note.

                        In the same iPhone, American-made software, an Anglo-American processor (developed by Apple under a license from the British company ARM), a processor and a screen are made in South Korea - only final assembly in China. Therefore, the salaries of Apple engineers are radically different from the salaries of Chinese workers in the assembly of iPhones. And add to that the yards of dollars Apple spends on developing and releasing each gadget. Few can afford it. Russia needs to find its niche in global commodity production. Here is the task.
          2. 100wd
            100wd 13 November 2013 18: 38
            +1
            Do not mislead people.
            1 this is not a photo of the interior of a hover but a 3D model.
            2 is an old patriot salon.
            Well, the hover has one advantage over the rest of the Chinese, it does not stink.
            If you are a professional in the auto industry where do you collect hover?
          3. Alex Nick
            Alex Nick 13 November 2013 19: 30
            +2
            But I’m not worried about foreign cars. Everything suits me. Everything works
          4. AlNikolaich
            AlNikolaich 13 November 2013 20: 16
            0
            Quote: Gooch v.2
            Great Wall Hover is equipped much more seriously: a rear view camera, a leather interior, rear parking sensors and an electric driver’s seat, coupled with a multimedia system that reads any format, can seduce anyone. And all this for the same 755 000 rubles! However, this is not the limit. A buyer who paid a fixed price for Hover 865 000 rubles gets at his disposal a car with a rear-view camera, temperature and tire pressure monitoring system, cruise control, on-board computer and, most importantly, with an automatic transmission.

            Be realistic! The Chinese car industry is beautiful on paper and in advertising brochures! I had communication with many Chinese cars in terms of repairs. Many super options that often do not survive 50 thousand km! The bodies are weak (and what do you want if the parts are stamped out of straightened Lukoil oil barrels!).
            Parts are crooked, poorly painted, often rusty when already assembled!
            And most importantly: UNLIKE CARS OF WORLD MANUFACTURERS, AUTO CHINA BREAKS UNSYSTEMICALLY! That is, for the majority of "normal" cars it is approximately known at what value of operating time a failure of any unit or part occurs. This allows you to purchase the part you need in advance shortly before its failure. For example, for Zhiguli to 100 thousand km it is necessary to buy a pump, as it will soon be covered, and by 150 thousand km it is necessary to prepare to replace the piston rings ...
            In the case of the Chinese, the situation is different. Anything can break at any time. It breaks even what should not break in principle ... This suggests that the production culture is absent as a concept ...
      4. fzr1000
        fzr1000 13 November 2013 13: 59
        +1
        First read carefully what I buy Chinese and what not. All electronics in China grew out of Western industries, which in Russia has never been and never will be in such a volume. But it is not necessary to steal technology through the road.

        Taiwan yes, one of the leaders in world electronics.

        I answer in more detail.
        The phones I have collected are in South Korea and in China, but this is Motorola. The TV part in China, part in Korea, part in Kaliningrad, but these are all well-known brands. Fotik assembled in Japan. Laptops are Chinese, but they are Sony. So I have nothing fake or Chinese brands. Ah yes, Lenovo's working laptop, but this is the choice of my company.
        I forgot the clothes made in Vietnam and Cambodia - especially in Turkey, for some reason I like the quality better than the ones made in China. My shoes and outerwear (except for sports and leisure) are European and I don’t fly anywhere behind her, everything is in stores in Russia. And what is not European, I wrote above.

        Do you ride in Chinese ...? Drive your health if life is inexpensive. I'm used to other producing countries. And all the beautiful pictures of Chinese salons .... in fact, cause only a flinch when you start to feel, look closely, etc. And I don’t need Chinese "achievements".
        And the Chinese are cunning ... th, arrogant and cunning people. We will also have a "friendship" with them.
        1. Gooch v. 2
          Gooch v. 2 13 November 2013 14: 05
          0
          Quote: fzr1000
          Taiwan yes, one of the leaders in world electronics.

          It would not be bad for a start to distinguish Thailand from Taiwan, but oh well, right now it's not about that.

          My phone is assembled in South Korea and in China, but this is Motorola. The TV part in China, part in Korea, part in Kaliningrad, but these are all well-known brands. Fotik assembled in Japan. Laptops are Chinese, but they are Sony. So I have nothing fake or Chinese brands. Ah yes, Lenovo's working laptop, but this is the choice of my company.

          Did I say something about the brands of the above-mentioned countries?) Was your phone, TV and camera collected by Martians or Chinese? even under the brand name of the American, Taiwanese, Singaporean offices? You have an interesting logic, I would even say a little feminine.

          Do you ride in Chinese ...? Drive your health if life is inexpensive. I'm used to other producing countries. And FSUs me their "achievements".

          Nope, I don’t go, but I could ride in Chinese and Russian cars, heaven and earth.
          1. fzr1000
            fzr1000 13 November 2013 14: 14
            +1
            Phones and photos, as well as many other things I have made in Not China. Do you understand the difference?
            I am writing to you that there is nothing worthwhile and "purely" Chinese in nature for me, and not only for me. What does it matter to me - who collects it? Quality is important to me. And quality depends on production control, not on whether it is China or not. But China is already doing a lot of things on its "own" initiative, so that's where the trouble is. And what they collect for someone is not China's achievement. We, too, already know how to collect a lot of others.
            PS Thailand and Taiwan wrote in the context of clothes and gadgets, respectively.
            1. Gooch v. 2
              Gooch v. 2 13 November 2013 14: 32
              +2
              Quote: fzr1000
              Phones and photos, as well as many other things I have made in Not China. Do you understand the difference?
              I am writing to you that there is nothing worthwhile and "purely" Chinese in nature for me, and not only for me. What does it matter to me - who collects it? Quality is important to me. And quality depends on production control, not on whether it is China or not. But China is already doing a lot of things on its "own" initiative, so that's where the trouble is.

              Tell it to the inhabitants of the Far East, and from where Siberia and what is cheaper for them to buy.

              And what they collect for someone is not an achievement of China. We, too, already have a lot of things to collect alien.
              PS Thailand and Taiwan wrote in the context of clothes and gadgets, respectively.

              yes yes yes, you know how.
              Yes, yes, in Russia, control is certainly better than stupid Chinese


              E-mobile, aaauuuuu where are you?
              The company Tesla Motors, mass-producing electric cars, showed a profit in the first quarter of this year. During this quarter, 5000 electric vehicles were sold.



              Yotaphone awww? where are you?
              The innovative Russian YotaPhone smartphone will be assembled at the factory of the Singapore-based Hi-P company in China, while the organization of production and management of all business is carried out by representatives of Russia, said Yota Devices CEO Vladislav Martynov in an interview with Digit.ru at the St. Petersburg International Economic Forum.
              1. Wedmak
                Wedmak 13 November 2013 14: 48
                +1
                By the way, Tesla is a very interesting car. Although not yet very practical.
              2. fzr1000
                fzr1000 13 November 2013 15: 16
                -1
                Are you familiar with the price tag for Tesla? And the fact that there someone recognized the assembly of cars in Russia worse, tell buyers of Fords, Logans, BMWs, etc.

                If Vladik residents had a choice both in the European part of Russia, as well as much more, their preferences would surely change. Like me, I live in Vladik.

                Substation Are residents of Vladik all polls driving new "Chinese" or new Japanese cars? Oops ...
                1. Gooch v. 2
                  Gooch v. 2 13 November 2013 15: 31
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                  Quote: fzr1000
                  Are you familiar with the price tag for Tesla? And the fact that there someone recognized the assembly of cars in Russia worse, tell buyers of Fords, Logans, BMWs, etc.

                  Model S - $ 62.400 or 1.8 million rubles. Compare with top BMW or Mercedes models
                  By the way, in Russia Tesla costs about 6 million. Say thank you yourself know who lol

                  If Vladik residents had a choice both in the European part of Russia, as well as much more, their preferences would surely change. Like me, I live in Vladik.

                  You do not run from one extreme to another, besides Vladik and the European part there is Siberia. By the way, we have the majority of Chinese-made Construction Equipment, Hovers people take, Excavators, dump trucks, and so on, mostly Chinese, I judge by the firms that are in my city, it’s both cheaper and more practical and more reliable than Russian counterparts that are produced even with times scoop.
                  1. fzr1000
                    fzr1000 13 November 2013 15: 39
                    +1
                    But you mentioned nothing about construction equipment .... I’ll tell you how a person works in construction. A normal, large and serious company with large volumes of work will buy Volvo or Scania dump trucks, a Kat bulldozer, a Hitachi or Kat excavator, etc. There is no China here and it does not even smell. And whoever takes this ..... either from lack of money, or from greed, or from stupidity. Only once we had dump trucks from China, because the work was on DV. There they were then sold .... According to the resource and quality, China is in ......... Yes, Kamaz will be better sometimes. All major construction projects throughout Russia are mainly European and Japanese equipment, sometimes Korean and American. And if the company has a pit with sand cubes of 500000-1000000 and there is no license, then yes Shanksi or Hovo to help you.
                  2. Gooch v. 2
                    Gooch v. 2 13 November 2013 15: 47
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                    Quote: fzr1000
                    But you mentioned nothing about construction equipment .... I’ll tell you how a person works in construction. A normal, large and serious company with large volumes of work will buy Volvo or Scania dump trucks, a Kat bulldozer, a Hitachi or Kat excavator, etc. There is no China here and it does not even smell. And who takes it ..... either from lack of money, or from greed, or from stupidity. Only once we had dump trucks from China, because the work was on the Far East. There they sold them ....

                    Private traders buy, well, nothing works, it’s differently better than the domestic one, even in cold weather if some kind of Kraz or KAMAZ needs to be started before the engine is warmed up, the Chinese start up without any problems.

                    We are colleagues, I’m working in railway construction, here is a typical photo of how morning begins at minus 40)
                  3. fzr1000
                    fzr1000 13 November 2013 15: 54
                    0
                    Well, if there was an opportunity, surely Liebher would have taken some thread. And so, everything is clear. We are minus 35 and lower try not to work, and not only we in our strip ...
                  4. Gooch v. 2
                    Gooch v. 2 13 November 2013 15: 56
                    +1
                    Quote: fzr1000
                    Well, if there was an opportunity, surely Liebher would have taken some thread. And so, everything is clear. We are minus 35 and lower try not to work, and not only we in our strip ...

                    Well, it’s necessary to work on the railway and at minus 50, otherwise the pipe, Bobcat is a good technique, without it I don’t know how they would handle it, and so Soviet, they warm it up like that, with a burner and a bonfire
                  5. fzr1000
                    fzr1000 13 November 2013 16: 09
                    0
                    So BobKat is the same American brand.Dusan Clone, South Korea.
                  6. Gooch v. 2
                    Gooch v. 2 13 November 2013 16: 24
                    +1
                    Quote: fzr1000
                    So BobKat is the same American brand.Dusan Clone, South Korea.

                    I vkurse) here the bobcat is a cool technique)
                  7. fzr1000
                    fzr1000 13 November 2013 16: 45
                    0
                    Voot, but not Chinese .... wink
  • fzr1000
    fzr1000 13 November 2013 14: 22
    +2
    And don't forget about the large reserves of rare earth metals in China, which are now widely used in electronics. Last but not least, this influenced the current "breakthrough" of China in this industry.
    1. Gooch v. 2
      Gooch v. 2 13 November 2013 14: 58
      +1
      And the Chinese are cunning ... th, arrogant and cunning people. We will also have a "friendship" with them.

      And someone says that Dagi, Chechens or Azerbaijanis behave somehow wrong in Moscow, a typical Russo tourist. Byd.lo
      1. Dart weyder
        Dart weyder 13 November 2013 22: 12
        +2
        everything is much simpler - just to go abroad to a normally educated person, a teacher or someone else ... it's rare - there is no money, but - for the most part it was going with full pockets, or this offspring, so it behaves at home like .. ..was filtered during the union, and in the event of such an incident - the country would not be allowed to disgrace abroad, and they would have been completely discharged of the house - and correctly done .....
  • mvg
    mvg 14 November 2013 01: 53
    0
    and which Russian car is better? I'm scared to sit in them, and I went to all !!! our models. from all classics to the Chevy Nives and viburnum with grants.
  • major071
    major071 13 November 2013 11: 46
    +5
    The claimed characteristics are not always true. You can write everything, but no one knows what the output will be. Perhaps it will be worse than stated, but maybe vice versa. Moreover, one does not have to expect objective information from the Americans, they will lie so much that they themselves will believe in this.
    1. alone
      alone 13 November 2013 21: 16
      +1
      but all the same, the rate of armament is simply surprising. It is being intensely prepared. Moreover, at an accelerated rate.
  • Migari
    Migari 13 November 2013 11: 55
    0
    China is an unpredictable country, we had different relations with them, up to military conflicts, friendship is friendship, but we need to be careful with them, especially with the new weapons and technology that we provide them.
  • Unisonic
    Unisonic 13 November 2013 12: 00
    +3
    China has serious difficulties with aircraft engines. For example, on their fifth generation fighter, the 5 Russian project AL-31FN engine was installed.
    In the field of engines for strategic bombers, the Chinese are generally tight. At the moment, on their latest modification H-6 (aka Tu-16), it is also H-6K installed engine from ... Tu-134 \ Il-76.

    The possibility of creating China's HK-32 analogue engines seems extremely unlikely. Accordingly, there is no need to talk about any breakthrough in China in the field of strategic bomber aviation.
  • Sterlya
    Sterlya 13 November 2013 12: 12
    +1
    China Go! okay. I agree. at least bomb the island of Guam angry
  • G_sl
    G_sl 13 November 2013 12: 39
    +1
    Here is another photo.
    1. Basileus
      Basileus 13 November 2013 12: 58
      +2
      We are waiting for PAK YES and compare) This is similar to the creative stealth processing of the Tu-22M.
    2. Wedmak
      Wedmak 13 November 2013 13: 12
      +1
      Here 100% photoshop. There is no doubt about it. And so, yes, I agree with Basileus - the stealth version of the Tu-22M.
      1. IRBIS
        IRBIS 13 November 2013 14: 28
        -1
        Quote: Wedmak
        Here 100% photoшop.

        Sorry, but you did not spell the letters correctly - instead of "w" you wrote "w". And in the sense, everything is correct.
    3. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 4 December 2013 13: 01
      0
      Quote: G_Sl
      Here is another photo.

      This is a photo montage
  • USNik
    USNik 13 November 2013 13: 02
    +1
    equipped with two high-thrust turbofan engines
    I will join Unisonic in skepticism towards engines. It is not a question for the Khetians to erase the drawings of B-1b and B-2, but building a reliable turbojet engine is still a problem.
    1. Kassandra
      Kassandra 5 December 2013 02: 56
      0
      to erase engine drawings too - there in the materials from which they are made a problem, more precisely in the technology for their production.
  • Pajamas
    Pajamas 13 November 2013 13: 05
    +1
    On October 16, in a program run by Jimmy Kimmel in the USA on ABC, the host asked the children how, in their opinion, it was necessary to pay off debt obligations to China. One child plainly said that it is necessary to kill everyone who lives in this country. Kimmel has already apologized for the controversial episode of the television show.
    - http://warfiles.ru/show-42473-ubit-12-millionov-amerikancev.html In the USA, hysterics have learned that China can -
    For the first time in 42 years, the Chinese Navy discovered a military secret of this level and stated that China is capable of delivering a nuclear strike all over the United States from its submarines and it has the opportunity for strategic deterrence.
  • Wedmak
    Wedmak 13 November 2013 13: 15
    +1
    A thought came now. The Chinese are sly people. Now they will fill up with statements about their phantom stealth super-duper cars, and under this noise they will make real ones with serious characteristics. And the world will wonder for another 5 years what of this is real and what is not. And suddenly ... BOOM!
    Voooooot ... the main thing now is that Chinese special forces should not be sent for me ... soldier
  • sashka
    sashka 13 November 2013 13: 18
    +1
    But it’s not true. Only the other day they shouted that everything was stolen. And they will not be able .. And even, in principle, cannot fly. And we stupidly look at the opu .. By the way, If the signs on the shoulder straps are translated into rubles for "venality." just a member of this code of a beautiful site .. Now just verbiage of incompetent persons. Boring ..
  • Argon
    Argon 13 November 2013 13: 58
    +2
    In my opinion, the fear of the growing power of China (including the military one) is generated partly by ignorance (misunderstanding of mentality, ignorance of history), partly by the feeling of weakness of their own state. Remember, the problems of relations with China always occur during the "troubled times" in Russia. can be clarified, if direct diplomatic contact is lost (and in all such cases Moscow is to blame). The reaction of China can be described as, sorry, the behavior of a scandalous, lonely, communal neighbor, who rightly believes that the best defense is an attack, and in In principle, such conflicts, except for "hassle", for Russia, did not have any serious consequences. China's geopolitical interests have a clearly pronounced southern, southeastern direction, replete with vast water areas. The main "instrument" of policy on which, at present, is AUG. Consequently, China will be, both to create our own AUG, and to look for ways to deal with foreign. Based on the above, one should expect The appearance in China of a SCRC with a super / hypersonic missile, using a platform as a carrier, according to the MGH, as it were, intermediate between our Su-24 and Tu-22, made according to "Stealth" technology.
    1. Odysseus
      Odysseus 13 November 2013 15: 06
      +1
      Quote: Argon
      Therefore, China will both create its own AUG and look for ways to combat foreign ones. Based on the foregoing, we should expect the appearance in China of a SCRC with a supersonic missile, using a platform as a carrier, according to the MGH, as it were, intermediate between our Su-24 and Tu-22, made according to "Stealth" technology.

      In general, I agree, this is what the Chinese themselves say: "Ma Dinshen reports that the most important tasks for Chinese strategic bombers are to fight enemy aircraft carriers and deliver pinpoint nuclear strikes against ground targets."
      Quote: Argon
      partly generated by ignorance (lack of understanding of mentality, ignorance of history)

      But here I disagree. Communist China is fundamentally different from "old" China. So historical analogies do not work here.
      1. Argon
        Argon 13 November 2013 21: 11
        0
        Well, why, dear Odysseus. As an example, consider the "mess" over Domansky Island, because it was a consequence of the crisis. The beginning of which was the 20th Congress of the CPSU with its "revelations", and for the entire socialist camp (China inclusively) it was presented as "betrayal strategies for building communism. "Later, relations only worsened, the last straw was the actions (at UN meetings) of Moscow to remove Beijing from" bilateral "(Washington-Moscow) discussions on nuclear issues, in the winter of 68. As a result, the Soviet ambassador to the PRC received a number of notes, without bringing an explanation, he was recalled to Moscow, and a month later it began.
  • Asan Ata
    Asan Ata 13 November 2013 14: 01
    0
    Wu Guohui drinks drinks drinks Probably his name is Wuguo drinks drinks drinks
  • Odysseus
    Odysseus 13 November 2013 14: 21
    +2
    The speed of 2 M in the scheme of a flying wing looks fantastic. Existing images also do not provide any real information and are intended to mask reality. Actually, we can only say that work on the new bomber has been going on for a long time.
    The main problem has already been voiced by the engines. It is possible to copy and upgrade the NK-32, but to do this is difficult, we ourselves cannot really resume their production. You can try to adapt the WS-20 developed for the J-15, then, if you believe, the Chinese bomber may enter service sometime by 2020.
    PS However, even more interesting than the H-8 is the second of the promising Chinese bombers, the semi-mythical "aerospace" H-10.
  • abrakadabre
    abrakadabre 13 November 2013 14: 21
    0
    The article said that the development of the Chinese bomber is facing difficulties.
    The first of them is the lack of a prototype for copying "in metal". For some reason, the photographs are not completely copied. Especially the insides.
    wassat
  • avg
    avg 13 November 2013 15: 15
    +2
    I don’t understand, why? Someone who didn’t even sign up threw in a far from the best tyrnet drawing and the guys went to break their spears. So we will defeat ourselves, and the Chinese do not.
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  • ZU-23
    ZU-23 13 November 2013 16: 10
    0
    And how many years our T-50 has been developed, and in my opinion the army never received them)))
    1. fzr1000
      fzr1000 13 November 2013 16: 21
      0
      Shaw should have?
    2. Wedmak
      Wedmak 13 November 2013 17: 27
      0
      You know ... we had a break when we were 20 ... when there was no time for planes. And this is already the 5th flight instance. Three more are going. True, one will go to "breaking". It seems to me that in 3-4 years just the same will start deliveries to the Air Force. For trial operation.
  • tomich
    tomich 13 November 2013 16: 22
    -2
    Another Chinese PR
  • voliador
    voliador 13 November 2013 17: 49
    +1
    PR, not PR, but they invest a lot of money in weapons, and this is not at all pleasing.
  • ParapaPanda
    ParapaPanda 13 November 2013 18: 10
    0
    China scares me.
    1. Siberian
      Siberian 13 November 2013 21: 42
      +1
      Sleep well and don’t be afraid of anything. Homeland will protect you lol
      1. edmed
        edmed 14 November 2013 14: 39
        0
        hi "He had 10 months to sleep" According to the script read on "Military Parity" in October 14, on the ruins of the city where I live, the PRC flag will be installed, somehow it does not please sad
  • Captain
    Captain 13 November 2013 18: 13
    +1
    Not just a lot ... They are already in second place (after the United States) in military and dual-purpose R&D costs. And in terms of the total size of the military budget, they threw us from second place back in 2011
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  • Achtaba1970
    Achtaba1970 13 November 2013 18: 49
    +1
    Yes, a speed of 2 M with two Chinese engines for a machine with a bomb load of 25 tons - I won’t believe it. Moreover, rumors about the transfer of Tu-22M3 production to China, which have not been confirmed, have recently been circulated. This suggests that they themselves cannot even make such a bomber.
  • Achtaba1970
    Achtaba1970 13 November 2013 18: 49
    0
    Yes, a speed of 2 M with two Chinese engines for a machine with a bomb load of 25 tons - I won’t believe it. Moreover, rumors about the transfer of Tu-22M3 production to China, which have not been confirmed, have recently been circulated. This suggests that they themselves cannot even make such a bomber.
  • mountain
    mountain 13 November 2013 19: 21
    0
    If the quality matches their bikes, electronics, electrics and other goods, then I am sincerely happy for the Chinese neighbor. I am sure that in this case, they will definitely not be visible.))))
  • APASUS
    APASUS 13 November 2013 19: 23
    -1
    Chinese stealth technology?
  • marder4
    marder4 13 November 2013 19: 36
    0
    yes, the Chinese do not sleep ...
  • Cherdak
    Cherdak 13 November 2013 21: 15
    0
    "What is this, Andryusha Tupolev? I don't recognize him in his makeup!" almost (c)
  • tenere1200
    tenere1200 13 November 2013 23: 48
    +2
    [/ Quote]
    Nope, I don’t go, but I could ride in Chinese and Russian cars, heaven and earth. [/ Quot
    In vain you are so dear Gooch v.2. It seems to me that I would still correlate the Russian auto industry with the concept - Sky. And the Chinese - Earth, it sounds paradoxical. By the nature of my work, I am closely associated with auto repair. All but VAZs. Frankly, the global trend is that modern foreign cars, almost all, are designed for 5 years of operation. Further - just a nightmare for the owner. Investments in repairs are very large. And all because - megazavods need our cabbage gentlemen. Earlier Mercedes was the standard of reliability. Cars went for decades. What did the factory have from this? Nothing. I sold the car and forgot. At best, pads and candles. And now ? Take for example the GL -500. (X164 bodywork). Not a car, but a money collector. to 100.000 km it can be repaired all at once. Even a wealthy man, this machine makes you wonder how wealthy he is. About all kinds of Honda and other Citroen, I generally keep quiet. for 30 km this climbs out; no guarantee helps. About China is a separate song. Cardboard cars made of rice steel. Forgive me, the owners of these cars. wheelbarrows are made really from raw materials. Strength is not calculated in any way. Machines crumble absolutely unsystematically. Motors under license. Cat's power. Automatic machines - DP 000 from Pejo. The worst transmission in the world. Who in the subject - will understand. Worse only 0T6 that put on the Chevrolet Cruze and Opel Astra in the latest bodies. 40% of these boxes fly into the trash in the first 100 years of operation. Even Toyota’s reliability standard - for 3 Kruzaks they began to put boxes from Tuaregs, whose resource does not exceed 200 km. So it’s not worth scolding all of ours, and exalt all imported, and even more so Chinese. Our cars are miserable not out of malice - but out of poor mind. But foreign cars are just the opposite. I do not advertise our cars. I ride a foreign car myself, and I will never transfer to AvtoVAZ products. But choosing between a Chinese and a Vaz, I would choose a Vaz. At least because the parts are closer. Because on our bodies welded points are put more often. But most importantly, 150 bad Chinese fighters will still trample one Su-000 no matter how good it is. Suppose that 20 of them fall. The bad news is that for many years we have not given birth to anything new. Using the backlog of the USSR. And the Chinese are still moving forward. And the day will come when ALL of their equipment and the army will be 27 times better than ours. And then I think they will come to our Far East. Just to hang signs on houses with street names - from Russian to Chinese. (I changed the brand names a little. Suddenly the moderators will see indirect ads and delete them.)
  • tenere1200
    tenere1200 14 November 2013 13: 17
    0
    I wanted to immediately warn that I was not engaged in the promotion of any car brands. Someone stuck an ad in my text. I can’t remove it.