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For a public penalty. Sentenced to the killer of Russian troops in the Caucasus

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For a public penalty. Sentenced to the killer of Russian troops in the CaucasusThe court convicted the execution of five soldiers and an officer of the internal troops in September 1999, in the village of Tukhchar, a militant Rizvan Vagapov. He was sentenced to 18 years of a maximum security colony. The main evidence of guilt was the video made at the place of execution. Vagapov became the fifth convicted participant in the crime.


Took part in the armed rebellion in 1999, in the village of Tukhchar and the public execution of soldiers of the Ministry of Internal Affairs troops of the Russian Federation militant Rizvan Vagapov was sentenced to 18 years of a strict regime colony.

“Vagapov was found guilty of committing crimes under Art. 279 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation (armed rebellion), art. 317 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation (encroachment on the lives of military personnel) and part 3 Art. 222 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation (illegal traffic weapons), ”Reported the Investigation Department of the Investigative Committee of the Russian Federation in the North Caucasus Federal District.

The ministry noted that in the 1999 year, Vagapov, misunderstanding ideas about the struggle for the ideas of religion, joined one of the illegal armed groups in the city of Grozny.

In the same year, a convict armed with an RPG-18 hand grenade launcher and two Kalashnikov assault rifles, including about 50 other militants, invaded the territory of Novolaksky district of Dagestan.

In the village of Tuhchar, Vagapov attacked a detachment of soldiers of the Interior Ministry troops. On the same day he took an active part in the public execution of six soldiers of the federal forces. Resisting state power structures, the militants held the captured settlement until September 8 of 1999.

“In total, in the indicated period, members of bandit groups under the leadership of Khattab and Basayev, totaling about a thousand people, captured six Dagestan settlements, in connection with which more than 37 thousand residents were forced to leave their places of residence. The normal activities of state authorities, law enforcement agencies, various institutions and public organizations were disrupted and killed, there were dead and wounded, as well as persons taken hostage.

The attackers destroyed and damaged residential buildings, social facilities and public utilities, which caused considerable damage to local residents and the economy of the republic for a total amount over 300 million rubles, ”the SC said.

Note that we mean the battle, in which the 13 soldiers of the internal troops led by Senior Lieutenant Vasily Tashkin together with several Dagestan police officers opposed a detachment of more than a hundred militants.

September 5 platoon Tashkina about three hours fought back from the many superior forces of the militants. After his infantry fighting vehicle was hit by a grenade launcher, Tashkin decided to withdraw to the connection with the roadblock of the Dagestan militia, which at that moment also fought off the gangsters. The help to the Russian military men and militiamen didn't come.

According to some reports, Tashkin decided to surrender when the cartridges were running out. The militants promised to save him and his soldiers life, but did not fulfill their promise: the thugs were cut by five military men, and the sixth was shot dead while trying to escape.

The involvement of Vagapov and other fighters in the crime was proved by video filming, which the fighters made during the execution of military personnel and which was at the disposal of law enforcement agencies in 2000 year. Vagapov was detained during a special operation conducted in 2007 in the village of Borzoy, Shatoy District, Chechnya.

Recall that the first trial against participants in the massacre of captured soldiers began in the year 2002. Then, the 32-summer resident of the village of Dacha-Borzoy of the Grozny district of Chechnya Tamerlan Khasayev was convicted by the judicial division in criminal cases of the Supreme Court of the Republic of Dagestan. He was convicted of a crime and sentenced to life imprisonment. Soon after, he died in the colony.

In 2005, the Supreme Court of Dagestan sentenced Islan Mukayev to 25 years in prison in a strict regime colony. The militant fully admitted his guilt, repented of what he had done at the trial, in connection with which the court did not impose a life sentence on him, as the state prosecutor demanded.

The third convicted for the execution of the military was the militant Arbi Dandaev. In March 2009, the court sentenced him to life imprisonment.

In January, a resident of Chechnya Mansur Razhaev was sentenced to life imprisonment on 2012. To avoid life imprisonment, Razhaev said in court that he had not killed the servicemen. However, the investigation as a proof of the guilt of the defendant presented a video made by the militants at the scene of the murder. It shows how Razhaev prepares for murder, after which he carries the body of a soldier.

In July last year, the court sentenced Alisher Bayramukov, a militant from Karachay-Cherkessia, to seven years of imprisonment for serving in an armed uprising with serving a sentence in a strict-regime correctional colony. Also, residents of the KCR Vitaly Yelkin (six years in prison), Rashid Batchaev (10 years) and Mussa Bayramukov were found guilty of the insurgency, to which compulsory medical measures were applied.

Little is known about the other participants in the armed rebellion and the massacre of military prisoners: some of them died in prisons, others died in subsequent clashes, and others continue to hide from the investigation abroad.
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  1. Airman
    Airman 13 November 2013 11: 00
    108
    And why not life? Over 6 LIFE FOR ALL 18 years? That is, for 3 of the year for each killed? Themis (Russian) is definitely blind. An eye for an eye, and public execution must be applied to them, so that others would be disgraceful.
    1. makst83
      makst83 13 November 2013 11: 07
      50
      and why life !? public execution, by hanging or shooting! Poh .. on the prohibition of the death penalty, such geeks should not smoke the sky! who has not seen that "wonderful" vidos - I advise you to look, and then wish for life! "Tukhcharskaya outpost" - dial in the contact.
      1. Nevsky_ZU
        Nevsky_ZU 13 November 2013 11: 55
        17
        September 5 platoon Tashkina about three hours fought back from the many superior forces of the militants. .. The help to the Russian military men and militiamen didn't come.


        Help never came ... Hmm ... something tells me, even if they had defended 3 days, instead of 3-4 hours. help wouldn't come anyway. Terrible times then reigned in Russia and its security forces. There was treachery, confusion and total corruption in the middle command levels. recourse
        1. Debryansk
          Debryansk 13 November 2013 22: 06
          +3
          14 years have passed, and the betrayal continues. 18 years for such a crime, the same amount must be given to a judge for such a sentence.
      2. KCC
        KCC 13 November 2013 15: 40
        +6
        The death penalty is public, by cutting off the head, after which the Wahhabi paradise does not shine. And the execution to all those present and not just to the performers.
        1. PSih2097
          PSih2097 14 November 2013 00: 14
          +1
          Quote: KCC
          The death penalty is public, by cutting off the head, after which the Wahhabi paradise does not shine. And the execution to all those present and not just to the performers.

          then it’s easier to bait dogs ... and scatter disks with execution all over the Caucasus ...
      3. starshina78
        starshina78 13 November 2013 18: 54
        +9
        In addition to the public execution of these creatures, one must defeat the rights of their relatives and force them to pay pensions to the parents of the killed soldiers, wives, and children. Let the parents, brothers, sisters of these creatures suffer because their son, brother, husband is real (this is put it mildly, the moderator will not let it go differently).
        1. Blackgrifon
          Blackgrifon 13 November 2013 19: 43
          +2
          Quote: starshina78
          loss of rights of their relatives


          It’s not enough, but if the relatives of these creatures will bear physical and material punishment, it’s better.
      4. demel2
        demel2 13 November 2013 19: 38
        +4
        Yes, and wrap it in pork skin
      5. Blackgrifon
        Blackgrifon 13 November 2013 19: 41
        +2
        Quote: makst83
        by hanging or shooting


        Shooting is an honorable death. But these nonhumans must be destroyed by hanging and buried in cattle cemeteries - these are not Muslims or people.
      6. AVV
        AVV 14 November 2013 00: 14
        0
        That's how DAM began to adhere to the norms of geyropa, it went and went, our laws should have a higher priority, the tower should be restored to their laws, and for especially serious crimes !!!
    2. svp67
      svp67 13 November 2013 11: 08
      25
      Quote: Povshnik
      And why not life?

      Here you will very much regret the absence of the death penalty - the rope and the scaffold, here is a "gratitude" worthy of him, and at the same time the "closed gate" to the "Muslim paradise ..."
      1. Felix200970
        Felix200970 13 November 2013 13: 41
        12
        Quote: svp67
        rope and scaffold, here is a "gratitude" worthy of him,

        You, my friend, are just soft-bodied. FIVE soldiers killed as rams. Feed the pigs, and alive am
        1. zao74
          zao74 13 November 2013 14: 05
          +4
          Harsh ... Maybe all the same, uranium mines?
        2. igor67
          igor67 13 November 2013 18: 12
          +2
          Quote: Felix200970
          Quote: svp67
          rope and scaffold, here is a "gratitude" worthy of him,

          You, my friend, are just soft-bodied. FIVE soldiers killed as rams. Feed the pigs, and alive am

          And the pigs are to blame for what, to eat carrion, the court, no one has abolished the death penalty, there is only a maratorium, and it has been massacred, like a war criminal, and not fall to the level of bandits. In extreme cases, life, not this one. Circus
        3. don.kryyuger
          don.kryyuger 13 November 2013 19: 26
          +3
          Pigs what are you guilty of? Every th ... oh is.
    3. Ihrek
      Ihrek 13 November 2013 11: 09
      20
      Alive, he will not leave from there. The death penalty would be too mild a sentence for him.
    4. domokl
      domokl 13 November 2013 11: 14
      16
      Quote: Povshnik
      And why not life?

      Because they were judged not according to the laws of wartime, but according to peace ... In general, as seen from the information, only convicts honestly condemned and executed the sentence in respect of at least one ... The legislation is liberal ..
      1. DEfindER
        DEfindER 13 November 2013 12: 20
        +2
        Quote: domokl
        Because they were judged not by the laws of wartime, but by peaceful ...

        It is rightly noted that we would not have violated any maratorium if we had executed these degenerates, wartime, military laws.
        And our boys, of course, are just the same fellows, thought of surrendering to these animals, it would be better to die in battle and take more of these creatures with you .. In the second Chechen, all of us were pros, contract soldiers, and perfectly understood how to fight against such scumbags. .
      2. SolomonSS
        SolomonSS 13 November 2013 14: 36
        +3
        War criminals must be judged by military law. No other way.
        1. Blackgrifon
          Blackgrifon 13 November 2013 19: 44
          0
          Quote: SolomonSS
          War criminals


          These are not war criminals. They must be destroyed, not judged.
      3. Airman
        Airman 13 November 2013 16: 51
        +1
        Quote: domokl
        Quote: Povshnik
        And why not life?

        Because they were judged not according to the laws of wartime, but according to peace ... In general, as seen from the information, only convicts honestly condemned and executed the sentence in respect of at least one ... The legislation is liberal ..

        And who writes the laws? They themselves are afraid to fall under ANY SURROUND article, so we have SUCH legislation.
    5. makst83
      makst83 13 November 2013 11: 16
      0
      Quote: Povshnik
      And why not life? Over 6 LIFE FOR ALL 18 years? That is, for 3 of the year for each killed? Themis (Russian) is definitely blind. An eye for an eye, and public execution must be applied to them, so that others would be disgraceful.
      ... hmm. that is, 3 of the year for each killed is not enough, but 4 with copecks is enough !? 25 years divided by 6.
      1. Airman
        Airman 13 November 2013 16: 57
        +1
        Quote: makst83
        Quote: Povshnik
        And why not life? Over 6 LIFE FOR ALL 18 years? That is, for 3 of the year for each killed? Themis (Russian) is definitely blind. An eye for an eye, and public execution must be applied to them, so that others would be disgraceful.
        ... hmm. that is, 3 of the year for each killed is not enough, but 4 with copecks is enough !? 25 years divided by 6.

        Life, it’s to death, and how long he will live, 5 or 45 years is no longer important, the death penalty on a moratorium, and the public has long been gone. I am for the public execution of such militants.
    6. evgenii67
      evgenii67 13 November 2013 11: 23
      +7
      Quote: Povshnik
      And why not life?

      in the country it is necessary to return the death penalty for such Dzhigits, for treason, for maniacs and, of course, for corrupt officials (not teachers and doctors), but for officials who bring real harm to the country by their actions.
      1. I do not care
        I do not care 13 November 2013 12: 03
        +2
        The military field courts to return urgently, to judge on the spot according to the laws of wartime.
        1. gendarm
          gendarm 13 November 2013 12: 07
          +3
          It is impossible to judge anyone by court martial, since formally there are no wars and there have never been any wars, but there was and is a regime of "counter-terrorist operation" - manipulation of wording (the issue of submitting material). And yet...
      2. gendarm
        gendarm 13 November 2013 12: 04
        +5
        Formally, no one canceled it. A moratorium on the execution of the death penalty has been declared. In fact, the practice of "replacing" the death penalty with various terms of imprisonment. In my opinion, keeping "fawn" (from the abbreviation PZH) is definitely another burden for taxpayers. But, at the same time, the conditions and regime in the places where the sentence is served cannot be called a "sanatorium". Suffice it to recall how shortly Salman Raduyev endured such "conditions of detention" (there he, the jackal, and the road).
        1. abdrah
          abdrah 13 November 2013 15: 34
          +3
          I saw an interview with Radaev in - such a queen is sitting in the cell, I was going to write a book, but it didn’t work out — my health failed and died soon.
          1. brr7710
            brr7710 13 November 2013 16: 22
            +2
            Quote: abdrah
            It seems to me that in life, it is not by chance that the duration of this very life is sharply reduced.


            yes, I’m not telling you like a layman
      3. Bort radist
        Bort radist 13 November 2013 13: 05
        +3
        Quote: evgenii67
        in the country it is necessary to return the death penalty for such horsemen, for treason to the motherland, for maniacs and, of course, for corrupt officials

        It is true that the amnesty is only posthumous.
    7. Migari
      Migari 13 November 2013 12: 02
      +3
      I agree completely, the country should destroy those who killed its soldiers.
    8. Igor39
      Igor39 13 November 2013 13: 22
      +5
      I can imagine how much they would give him in America, which he does not love ...
      1. carbofo
        carbofo 13 November 2013 19: 33
        +2
        Quote: Igor39
        I can imagine how much they would give him in America, which he does not love ...

        years 300
      2. alone
        alone 13 November 2013 21: 12
        0
        would put on an electric stake !!
    9. Geisenberg
      Geisenberg 13 November 2013 15: 38
      +2
      Quote: Povshnik
      And why not life? Over 6 LIFE FOR ALL 18 years? That is, for 3 of the year for each killed? Themis (Russian) is definitely blind. An eye for an eye, and public execution must be applied to them, so that others would be disgraceful.


      You see how it is ... dir as much as you can and they will give you only 18 years old and then in a sanatorium ...

      Well, that's why strict mode ?? It’s necessary for the general - it will be easier to finish there ...
      1. roninas
        roninas 13 November 2013 21: 43
        0
        Send to the "cop" zone, and everything will be decided. Well, maybe it will last a couple of days ..
    10. shpuntik
      shpuntik 13 November 2013 16: 36
      0
      Pvoshnik (2) RU Today, 11:00 AM New
      Themis (Russian) is definitely blind.


      Maybe blind, so we have it without a blindfold? A rare mess TSZT. He’ll take it, but it will be released according to parole, in about 10 years. Or according to the amnesty of the low-chilled DAM, perhaps earlier. What is horny not joking?
    11. Docklishin
      Docklishin 13 November 2013 17: 44
      +1
      It seems to me that he will die of a "heart attack" in prison ...
    12. T-130
      T-130 13 November 2013 19: 03
      0
      No, the execution must be long and painful! Send to uranium mines or something like that without observing human rights (he is not worthy of them) and let it rot alive!
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 13 November 2013 19: 27
        +1
        Quote: T-130
        No, the execution must be long and painful!

        It is unfortunate that now there is no hard labor.
    13. Anatoly. RUS
      Anatoly. RUS 13 November 2013 19: 31
      +5
      Russia can not understand with a mind!
      How many such executions were ???
      How many boys died there ???
      How many officers ??? And Budanov is a hero.
      It was even published: The authorities of Chechnya are collecting information about the feds who fought in Chechnya
      The Investigation Department for the Chechen Republic is requesting information from the Ministry of Defense about the units and identities of soldiers who were in Chechnya during the first and second Chechen campaigns. The representative of Ramzan Kadyrov assured Gazeta.Ru that the collection of information does not threaten military personnel.

      All documents are prepared according to one plan, despite the fact that they are signed by various officials. The requests are motivated by a military incident in connection with which the Chechnya Investigation Department is investigating the circumstances.

      In one of the requests, for example, it is described how in June 1995 in the village of Makhkety, federal soldiers abducted a certain Dutuev. In connection with the abduction, the Shali inter-district investigation department is conducting an investigation, which requires information about which unit of the Ministry of Defense was stationed near the village of Makhketi in 1995, data and a photograph of the commander of the unit where Dutuev was allegedly taken, as well as information about the places of further service of the military personnel that were in that part.

      In addition to the abductions, the requests mention the killings of civilians by federal forces, their bombings in mines (in one of the requests they are also called “murder in a generally dangerous way”) and the bombing

      When asked whether such requests are the usual technical procedure necessary to terminate the investigation, Karimov answered in the affirmative. He added that investigative officers are required to do this in order to avoid sanctions from the authorities.

      “If the investigator does not send this request, then his superiors will dismiss,” Karimov said.
    14. sasska
      sasska 13 November 2013 20: 20
      +3
      it is hoped that in the place of deprivation of liberty this bandit will informally correct the sentence.
      to be fair in the end.
      1. almost demobil
        almost demobil 13 November 2013 20: 41
        +1
        I watched this video ... My tears flowed, then the wild hatred in my eyes darkened. Really after watching this, the judge can give 18 years! Yes this ubl .. ok definitely bought. Guys are real martyrs, their eternal memory and curse to these animals and their kind. I hope that they will not last long in the zone, but they will die long and painfully.
      2. Airman
        Airman 13 November 2013 22: 49
        +1
        Quote: sasska
        it is hoped that in the place of deprivation of liberty this bandit will informally correct the sentence.
        to be fair in the end.

        What kind of laws are these that need to be "corrected" in the zone? The status of a judge can be adjusted, deprived of his judicial immunity ...
    15. alone
      alone 13 November 2013 21: 11
      +1
      After his BMP was knocked out from a grenade launcher, Tashkin decided to withdraw to join the checkpoint of the Dagestan police, which at that moment also fought off the bandits. Assistance to the Russian military and police did not come.


      But did anyone answer for this or not?

      for six 18 years! for every 3 years. and this is considered justice. there are simply no words.
      1. Revolver
        Revolver 14 November 2013 04: 09
        +1
        Or maybe better. Shooting for such people is too easy and honorable, and landing on a stake of a geyrop will not understand. But if you pass it through the cockpit before sending it to the general hut, it will be very correct. 18 years of daily intensive intimate use and cradles is the minimum that follows, and not everyone can survive it. And if he dies from a point break, then this will be his due.
        And Gayrope? Well, geyrope, they now consider this version of "love" to be the norm, so they will not find any violations of human rights in this.
        Oh yes, still, as far as I imagine Islamic beliefs, they are not allowed to go down to heaven. So it will be no worse than a shroud of pork skins.
    16. ramzes1776
      ramzes1776 14 November 2013 02: 23
      +2
      With these animals it is necessary to act as the Israeli "Mossad" did with the participants in the terrorist attack at the Munich Olympics in September 1972 (Operation "God's Wrath") and detailed media coverage of the destruction of each of the participants. That would be the case. These animals cannot live. must.Eta still eat bread for 18 years at our expense with the hope of getting out earlier on parole. I won’t be surprised if he’s in Chechnya will "happily" serve his sentence.
    17. Siberian German
      Siberian German 14 November 2013 04: 15
      0
      long live the Russian court - the most "humane" court in the world.
    18. Woolfy
      Woolfy 14 November 2013 09: 05
      0
      Our femida is not just blind, she has no eyes at all
    19. Su24
      Su24 26 November 2013 22: 19
      0
      Justice still triumphs, though not completely.
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    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 13 November 2013 11: 06
      +4
      Quote: Ingvar 72
      18 years for 6 people? With free Serdyukov?

      And what is three years for a battle? Is that a lot? Or you are so interlocked on Serdyukov that they lost touch with reality.
      In short, that’s the whole price of the life of our soldiers, alas.
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 13 November 2013 11: 11
        +3
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Or you are so interlocked on Serdyukov that they lost touch with reality.

        For a long time I have been stung by the feeling of "universal justice" in our country.
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        And what is three years for a battle? Is that a lot?

        Sanya, I sometimes do not understand you, this is not a reason for jokes.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 13 November 2013 11: 19
          +3
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          Sanya, I sometimes do not understand you, this is not a reason for jokes.

          Serdyukov to drag the court fig. Not that article and not that subject, still G here to remember
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 13 November 2013 11: 24
            +3
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Serdyukov on a fig court drags

            Why "what for"? Everything is cognized in comparison, "justice" too. And our Themis no longer even sleeps, but frankly sleeps.
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 13 November 2013 17: 04
              +1
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              And our Themis is no longer even asleep, but is sleeping openly.

              In this case, the comparison is not entirely appropriate, in the case of the murders of our soldiers, the matter went to court, but the court request Serdyukov’s case is at the investigation level, although judging by a court decision on Navalny, then ............ mat, mat, mat, show hi
      2. domokl
        domokl 13 November 2013 11: 16
        +3
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        In short, that’s the whole price of the life of our soldiers, alas.

        Hi Sash ... Alas, but you're right .. recourse
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 13 November 2013 11: 20
          +3
          Quote: domokl
          Alas, you are right.

          Sorry. Hello hi
  3. Ingvar 72
    Ingvar 72 13 November 2013 11: 02
    +3
    18 years for killing 6 people? With free Serdyukov? Our court is the most humane in the world. Critters.
  4. Vladimirets
    Vladimirets 13 November 2013 11: 03
    12
    "In 2005, the Supreme Court of Dagestan sentenced Islan Mukayev to 25 years of imprisonment in a strict regime colony. The militant fully admitted his guilt and repented of what he had done in court."

    Repented? Did this reptile repent? And men who cut their throats like sheep, how?
    1. kafa
      kafa 13 November 2013 15: 19
      +3
      those who took it are wrong, because he made an attempt to escape, it was necessary to follow the instructions to shoot at the knees ... it’s more difficult to get into the calves
  5. Tersky
    Tersky 13 November 2013 11: 04
    13
    Took part in the armed rebellion in 1999, in the village of Tukhchar and the public execution of soldiers of the Ministry of Internal Affairs troops of the Russian Federation militant Rizvan Vagapov was sentenced to 18 years of a strict regime colony.
    The ministry noted that in the 1999 year, Vagapov, misunderstanding ideas about the struggle for the ideas of religion, joined one of the illegal armed groups in the city of Grozny.
    Guys, what 18 years are we talking about? Only to the maximum! For 18 years ur # q will not cease to be ur # ohm, it’s time to understand that this is not treated, it is amputated.
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  7. Zabvo
    Zabvo 13 November 2013 11: 04
    +6
    18 years of strict regime for 6 people ??? "Judge for soap" !!! fool
  8. vadimN
    vadimN 13 November 2013 11: 04
    +7
    18 years in the life of six Russian guys ...!? Yes, even years through 7-8 the right to apply for parole ...

    Everyone who saw that video, filmed by the bandits, will support the opinion: for such a public execution! And without any regard for "humanistic values"!
    1. Armata
      Armata 13 November 2013 11: 10
      +8
      Quote: vadimN
      Everyone who saw that video, filmed by the bandits, will support the opinion: for such a public execution! And without any regard for "humanistic values"!
      Remove live skin. Or dip it in the tank with acid while it lives. Then cure and repeat the procedure. So that the cattle know what torment is. Such creatures must suffer for a long time until people let them die.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 13 November 2013 11: 22
        +7
        Quote: Mechanic
        Remove skin from living skin

        Eugene, we have a humane court, the most humane. So, that at the time of the judge to remove the skin.
        Healthy hi
        1. Armata
          Armata 13 November 2013 11: 32
          +7
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Eugene, we have a humane court, the most humane. So, that at the time of the judge to remove the skin.
          Hi Sanya. There was such a case in antiquity, when the skin was removed from the judge and the judge’s chair was upholstered, so that everyone sitting on it remembered that it could be the same with him for bias.
      2. Onotollah
        Onotollah 13 November 2013 11: 51
        +1
        Quote: Mechanic
        Remove skin from living skin

        Well, they’ll remove him from him.
        On the zone. glad did not last long.
        1. igor67
          igor67 13 November 2013 12: 23
          +4
          Quote: Onotolle
          Quote: Mechanic
          Remove skin from living skin

          Well, they’ll remove him from him.
          On the zone. glad did not last long.

          It may not last, but the court should be fair, and not tolerant, on the eve of the Olympics they again do not want unrest in the Caucasus, they could also postpone the court to after the Olympics
          1. VasiliyK651
            VasiliyK651 13 November 2013 20: 49
            0
            What kind of court ?! Destroy during detention ... If they spit on the laws and customs of war, what kind of court can we talk about? !!! Moreover, the "objectivity and impartiality" of judges is well known ...
        2. brr7710
          brr7710 13 November 2013 16: 25
          +1
          Quote: Onotolle
          On the zone. glad did not last long.


          depending on which zone ...
      3. Felix200970
        Felix200970 13 November 2013 13: 46
        +1
        Quote: Mechanic
        Remove live skin.

        Will not work. There are few specialists
        crying
    2. Prapor-527
      Prapor-527 13 November 2013 12: 03
      +1
      Why ... take such freaks alive? Indeed, when conducting special operations in the Caucasus, almost every day, dozens of such freaks are felled.
      1. CHILD
        CHILD 13 November 2013 13: 27
        +1
        and then interrogate whom ???? there are a lot of questions to him)))) with whom, when ??? and you need to look for the others too, it’s very necessary .... so only live, otherwise then you will not find the ends .... retaliation must be inevitable !!!!!!!
    3. Normal
      Normal 13 November 2013 13: 08
      +2
      Quote: vadimN
      And without any regard for "humanistic values"!

      I am a fundamental opponent of the death penalty .... people.
      But these are not people, they are furious cannibals.
      Humanistic values ​​have no relation to cannibal dogs.
      Hang the dog.
      Publicly.
      Slow.
  9. Stiletto
    Stiletto 13 November 2013 11: 05
    +7
    Three years for each of our guys ?! Yes, burn him in hell, a dog !!! I hope he will never lean back from the zone.
    1. kaktus
      kaktus 13 November 2013 17: 03
      +1
      DO NOT offend dogs by comparison with such geeks (this is the only remark) And so +
  10. HAM
    HAM 13 November 2013 11: 05
    +2
    and why are we not DPRK
  11. tverskoi77
    tverskoi77 13 November 2013 11: 06
    +3
    18 divided by 6 = 3 years in one human life!
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  13. HAM
    HAM 13 November 2013 11: 06
    +1
    and why are we not DPRK
  14. PureGUN
    PureGUN 13 November 2013 11: 10
    +7
    It is unlikely that he will spend these 18 years. And to whom they give life-long do not live long. Remember the dog-radeva.
    1. Stiletto
      Stiletto 13 November 2013 11: 50
      +3
      It is not a matter of whether this item No. 2 is stolen or stolen. The case is a precedent - it is bitter and insulting that the state evaluates the life of its defenders at three years in prison for ...
  15. major071
    major071 13 November 2013 11: 12
    10
    Liberasty, b ... b! To abolish the moratorium on the death penalty, signed by a drunken senator in favor of the west. For such articles, only the death penalty. I do not want to feed such creatures at the expense of the people whose sons they killed.
  16. moskal68
    moskal68 13 November 2013 11: 14
    13
    Executions, hanging - this is not ours. There is a wonderful punishment. Count, for example. He sharpened in a special way and did not tear the insides, but moved them apart. In this case, the victim could suffer for days on a Coke. This is what needs to be introduced. For Muslims, it is also necessary to lubricate the stake with pork fat and to scoop up the heap before execution. According to their beliefs, they will not be allowed into their paradise either, or they will not be able to take gurus there, without any troubles. But you have to cut it off. In the ass humanism.
    1. Pit Bull59
      Pit Bull59 13 November 2013 12: 48
      +1
      +++ There was still such an execution in ancient Russia - The lock was called. This is when the bastard’s legs were tied to horses (each leg to one horse) and began to drive horses. The horses are running. Ahead of the pillar. The legs of the criminal are divorced. Horses rush past the pillar. And the bastard catches this very pillar between the legs. And it turns out that the villain is bifurcated, in the literal sense of the word.
      1. moskal68
        moskal68 13 November 2013 18: 37
        0
        As an option. Even the trees bent and their legs were tied to them and then released. But this is all too fast and too easy for criminals. And sitting ass on a Coke is the time to comprehend the deed. Well, or just torment.
  17. Crook
    Crook 13 November 2013 11: 17
    +2
    Perhaps it will happen that he will not stomp a zone for a long time, someone will stick a sharpening under his ribs ...
    1. Dmitriy1975
      Dmitriy1975 13 November 2013 11: 22
      +4
      I myself heard from a person who took part in such actions, usually quietly alone, either heart or suicide, very rarely, but for dismantling with sharpening
      1. Hleb
        Hleb 13 November 2013 17: 10
        0
        and who will be promoted for "free deeds"? comrade did not say? this didn’t happen before, especially today. they will kill on the street, no one will help, and then, violating all the concepts, they will start looking for a new term? other similar. to whom to believe that? indeed
    2. Hleb
      Hleb 13 November 2013 11: 26
      0
      perhaps but not fact
    3. moskal68
      moskal68 13 November 2013 11: 28
      +3
      And it is possible that he will fall under the wing of his ethnic group and will not live as badly as he could.
      1. brr7710
        brr7710 13 November 2013 16: 28
        0
        Quote: 68
        And it is possible that he will fall under the wing of his ethnic group and will not live as badly as he could.


        This is most likely because there are enough
    4. Onotollah
      Onotollah 13 November 2013 11: 54
      0
      Quote: Crook
      stick it under the ribs ..

      leather dagger most likely.
    5. brr7710
      brr7710 13 November 2013 16: 27
      +1
      Quote: Crook
      Perhaps it will happen that he will not stomp a zone for a long time, someone will stick a sharpening under his ribs ...


      Yes, no one will stick any sharpening anywhere, believe me
      1. Hleb
        Hleb 13 November 2013 17: 35
        0
        I believe and very
  18. gorgo
    gorgo 13 November 2013 11: 23
    +3
    Why didn’t help come to 99? Is that a question? For several hours the guys fought back! What, it was impossible to help? PPC shame what ...
  19. Hleb
    Hleb 13 November 2013 11: 24
    +2
    he’ll also live in a hut ...
    1. Stiletto
      Stiletto 13 November 2013 11: 52
      +4
      Quote: Gleb
      he’ll also live in a hut ...


      And we feed him from our taxes. Ugh, damn it, it’s already shaking from impotent anger!
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      2. Hleb
        Hleb 13 November 2013 17: 22
        0
        And we feed him

        fought?
        1. Armata
          Armata 13 November 2013 17: 24
          0
          Quote: Gleb
          And we feed him
          fought?
          And how is one related to the other?
          1. Hleb
            Hleb 13 November 2013 17: 32
            0
            or maybe without a connection do not ask questions at all? Did the mechanic have dinner today? Do not break the rules of communication with such a question?
            the connection between the fighter in the Caucasus and this Czech is not obvious? there isn’t it at all, right?
            1. Armata
              Armata 13 November 2013 19: 56
              0
              Quote: Gleb
              or maybe without a connection do not ask questions at all? Did the mechanic have dinner today? Do not break the rules of communication with such a question?
              the connection between the fighter in the Caucasus and this Czech is not obvious? there isn’t it at all, right?
              No, do not break. Please give the people an answer. This person has a causal relationship at all, or I'm stupid. request
    2. brr7710
      brr7710 13 November 2013 16: 29
      +2
      Quote: Gleb
      he’ll also live in a hut ...


      will ... and complaints about poor content will write ...
      1. Hleb
        Hleb 13 November 2013 17: 17
        0
        Well, the mode, as it were, suggests. yet and with less or less free movement, unlike the indoor
        1. Armata
          Armata 13 November 2013 17: 28
          0
          Quote: Gleb
          Well, the mode, as it were, suggests. yet and with less or less free movement, unlike the indoor
          From which indoor? so it’s nothing that they are part of our country.
          1. Hleb
            Hleb 13 November 2013 17: 34
            0
            Who are they? Who is the part? What are you answering?
            indoor, special-in cells. strict in barracks
            1. brr7710
              brr7710 13 November 2013 18: 18
              +1
              Quote: Mechanic
              Quote: Gleb
              Well, the mode, as it were, suggests. yet and with less or less free movement, unlike the indoor
              From which indoor? so it’s nothing that they are part of our country.


              soon will be like in the west - chamber content
            2. Armata
              Armata 13 November 2013 19: 59
              0
              Quote: Gleb
              Who are they? Who is the part? What are you answering?
              indoor, special-in cells. strict in barracks
              Well, in these matters I will not argue with the specialist. Just maybe you do not need to make your involvement in this with the people? Or that you can’t but go on knowing the zone and their order?
  20. makarov
    makarov 13 November 2013 11: 25
    +7
    Yeltsin in the coffin and with his gopot of traitors had to be placed on one dock. They have created so much evil that they will be damned for centuries ....
  21. vjatsergey
    vjatsergey 13 November 2013 11: 26
    +1
    If only there was a Russian killer and avenged the Russian guys.
    1. Stiletto
      Stiletto 13 November 2013 11: 53
      +4
      Quote: vjatsergey
      If only there was a Russian killer and avenged the Russian guys


      Yes, and now our "most humane in the world" will solder him for it at the very least.
      1. brr7710
        brr7710 13 November 2013 16: 30
        +3
        Quote: Stiletto
        Quote: vjatsergey
        If only there was a Russian killer and avenged the Russian guys


        Yes, and now our "most humane in the world" will solder him for it at the very least.


        +++++++++++ !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  22. DuraLexSedLex.
    DuraLexSedLex. 13 November 2013 11: 27
    +6
    18 years old, here it is justice in Russian) Will be released according to parole in 7 years. And he will go to his native Ichkeria, there he will give him the star of the hero
    1. Wiruz
      Wiruz 13 November 2013 11: 45
      0
      Ichkery can also erect a monument to them.
    2. brr7710
      brr7710 13 November 2013 16: 31
      0
      Quote: DuraLexSedLex.
      18 years old, here it is justice in Russian) Will be released according to parole in 7 years. And he will go to his native Ichkeria, there he will give him the star of the hero


      +++ !!!!!
  23. ia-ai00
    ia-ai00 13 November 2013 11: 30
    +3
    And why for such crimes only 18 years old ??? But this crime does not pull on the LIFE? Although it would be fairer - shooting, hanging, or, as in the US - an electric chair.
    1. moskal68
      moskal68 13 November 2013 11: 43
      +3
      On stake. What chair are you talking about? Even spend electricity on it ... For such a crime, the punishment must be as severe as possible! Inche will be in the habit of others. 18, and even they will send him to Chechnya, where they will let him out under the guise.
      1. ia-ai00
        ia-ai00 13 November 2013 12: 28
        0
        Well, I saw on TV how the person in this “chair” “cuts”, I think not from pleasant sensations, at home how many times 220 “broke through”, somehow not very ... It is unlikely that this “chair” provides instant.
        1. kafa
          kafa 13 November 2013 14: 52
          +1
          I'm sorry, girl !?
          electric stool works three times ....
          1. ia-ai00
            ia-ai00 13 November 2013 21: 41
            0
            Unfortunately, I've been "longer" than girl, and not a blonde, a techie, even an electrician, but I do not understand how it is "three times ..."?
  24. shinobi
    shinobi 13 November 2013 11: 41
    +2
    Most likely they will not leave the zone. Under the rule of administration, they will be envious of those who were killed.
    1. brr7710
      brr7710 13 November 2013 16: 32
      0
      Quote: shinobi
      Most likely they will not leave the zone. Under the rule of administration, they will be envious of those who were killed.


      IT WAS BEFORE YES AND NOT IN ALL ZONES
  25. pluginigor
    pluginigor 13 November 2013 11: 41
    +6
    Guys! I read all the comments, in all we write about lifting the moratorium on the death penalty. Why do we carry out laws on gays at times, and for the murder of 6 Russian soldiers 18 years. My opinion is not only for the murder, but also for preparing for the terrorist attack. chair (Volgograd). So today I got on the bus and I don’t have a BAH, but I have a wife. two children, a mortgage, loans and that my family will pay a million to my wife without me, he will not make the weather.
  26. favn
    favn 13 November 2013 11: 43
    +3
    And I want to know how those who organized the reinforcements non-arrival answered?
  27. Wiruz
    Wiruz 13 November 2013 11: 45
    +3
    Faster would have introduced the death penalty in Russia. At least for the terrorists. And then 18 years for six, and besides for military personnel and an officer, this ... this you can’t even comment on.
  28. FunkschNNX
    FunkschNNX 13 November 2013 11: 45
    +3
    18 years??? Why??? What ... ??? How is this even possible ??? Selling creatures.
    "Long live our court, the most humane court in the world" sarcasm if cho
  29. Umnichka
    Umnichka 13 November 2013 11: 47
    +3
    3 years for each brutally executed !!! Bullying, damn it! There are simply no words !!!
  30. Enjoy
    Enjoy 13 November 2013 11: 57
    +3
    The pigs had to feed all these creatures alive. Falsely understanding the benefits of action meat for gaining weight in domestic breeds of pigs.

    They are not people and do not understand the human language with prison sentences for murder. It’s the same as a cannibal wound in court. So either to connect and to the pen with hungry pigs, or something like uranium to mine mine. So be it, for 18 years ... Only so that even half the term could not stand it, rotted.

    And while in the Caucasus there will not be the same attitude towards such individuals as here in the comments, instead of pity and patronage "rafikneunoven", we will not have peace with them.
  31. ed65b
    ed65b 13 November 2013 11: 58
    +4
    Dali 18, will sit in the Southern Federal District, Sitting there surrounded by people like him well, with dachas and fittings with joint prayers, he will be released after 9 years. It will become a respected aksakal and young people will teach kyafirs how to cut their heads, and what was given to him for 6, in fact, only 9 gave. That’s the whole result of the fight against terrorism.
    1. Hleb
      Hleb 13 November 2013 12: 56
      0
      there’s no way to halve it. Two articles on especially grave. 2/3 minimum and not fact
      1. ed65b
        ed65b 13 November 2013 16: 34
        +2
        Quote: Gleb
        there’s no way to halve it. Two articles on especially grave. 2/3 minimum and not fact

        Yesterday, a story on television flashed about the sitters for life, there is an option to exit in 25 years. I honestly strained somehow.
        1. Hleb
          Hleb 13 November 2013 17: 00
          +1
          Well, if that’s what I’m talking about. So I meant by parole. I answered your comment, and not on assumptions about the future

          1. Armata
            Armata 13 November 2013 17: 36
            +3
            Quote: Gleb
            Well, if that’s what I’m talking about. So I meant by parole. I answered your comment, and not on assumptions about the future
            Well, then I'm also under probation, ahead of schedule. Chock was beaten in 2011 for trying to steal my car. Duck, in this case, I supposedly still have to stay. Although he is pissing without pisses come to me. That's what I'm talking about. Any non-Slav has more rights than we, the indigenous inhabitants of these lands.
  32. Alexander I
    Alexander I 13 November 2013 12: 08
    +2
    why wasn’t you trying to escape ????
    1. ed65b
      ed65b 13 November 2013 12: 22
      +2
      Quote: Alexander I
      why wasn’t you trying to escape ????

      Because then the Russian will sit down and the Kadyrov will help him in this. Ullman example.
  33. kafa
    kafa 13 November 2013 12: 11
    +3
    after such a verdict .... I am ashamed that I am a citizen of the Russian Federation negative
  34. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 13 November 2013 12: 16
    +1
    After 18 years (or maybe earlier) will come out ... such scum is usually very tenacious. With these laws we produce all evil ... I have no more words .. only teeth will be held together ..
  35. Ezhaak
    Ezhaak 13 November 2013 12: 31
    +3
    Assistance to the Russian military and police did not come.

    And it was this moment that interested not only me, but also many readers of the site. And numerous "Why?" What punishment did those who sent the soldiers to their deaths and did not provide them, as can be seen from the article, any help? How is it that since the 40s no one has been responsible for the deaths of our citizens? Trials of direct murderers, it goes without saying. But higher-ranking commanders should also be held accountable for not providing assistance to their soldiers, for their deaths.
    1. Turkestan
      Turkestan 13 November 2013 14: 17
      +3
      On March 2000, 6, paratroopers of the 2,5th company, under the command of Lieutenant Colonel Mark Evtyukhin, entered into an unequal battle with the Khattab fighters near Ulus-Kert. They prevented the breakthrough of 700 thousand members of illegal gangs, destroying 90 of them. Of the 84 fighters, 22 were killed. For their courage, 69 servicemen were awarded the title of Hero of Russia, 63 soldiers and officers were awarded the "Orders of Courage", XNUMX of them posthumously.
      AND IN THIS CASE WHY HAS THE ASSISTANCE TO THE WARS OF THE MARINEERS WERE NOT PROVIDED? Who was punished for the death of an entire company?
      1. Ezhaak
        Ezhaak 13 November 2013 15: 16
        0
        Quote: Turkestan
        Who was punished for the death of an entire company?

        Specifically? None!
        1. ed65b
          ed65b 13 November 2013 16: 37
          +2
          The commander of the group said that it was not realistic to provide assistance. Weather was not helicopters did not fly airplanes the same unlock group itself was blocked. only artillery helped, sort of like that.
  36. avg
    avg 13 November 2013 12: 35
    +5
    It is high time to leave the Council of Europe, from which, apart from hemorrhoids, we received nothing, and where since 1996 we have been serving as a "whipping boy on duty", for which we also pay dues, and to abolish the moratorium on the death penalty.
    1. brr7710
      brr7710 13 November 2013 16: 35
      +1
      Quote: avg
      It is high time to leave the Council of Europe, from which, apart from hemorrhoids, we received nothing, and where since 1996 we have been serving as a "whipping boy on duty", for which we also pay dues, and to abolish the moratorium on the death penalty.


      It didn’t work out, they took too much under promises to do everything as they have in the penitentiary system.
  37. Fastblast
    Fastblast 13 November 2013 12: 41
    +2
    I don’t know why, but in the morning the memories of this terrible video surfaced, teeth gritted and hatred for the gangster rabble flashed ...

    and then the article ... 18 years ...

    I have no words!

    HOW SO????
  38. Goldmitro
    Goldmitro 13 November 2013 13: 03
    +3
    <<< The court found guilty of the execution of five soldiers and an officer of the internal troops in September 1999 in the village of Tukhchar militant Rizvan Vagapov. He was sentenced to 18 years in a strict regime colony. >>>
    A country cannot be considered completely sovereign, independent as long as its judicial system stubbornly focuses not on the repeatedly established and confirmed opinion of the majority of Russians, but on the opinion of the so-called "enlightened West", which has already lost its status of "enlightened" and role model due to sexually concerned tolerastam - common people and turned into a fetid decaying swamp degrading Western human civilization! In Russia, there MUST be the death penalty for such and similar NON-HUMANS!
  39. Larus
    Larus 13 November 2013 13: 04
    +3
    I watched that video, the eternal memory of those killed by these bastards. Such must be tied for two armored personnel carriers and gas !!! And this power will also contain them at our expense !!! the mountaineers are only good and know how to "fight" with peaceful and unarmed ...
  40. Larus
    Larus 13 November 2013 13: 04
    0
    I watched that video, the eternal memory of those killed by these bastards. Such must be tied for two armored personnel carriers and gas !!! And this power will also contain them at our expense !!! the mountaineers are only good and know how to "fight" with peaceful and unarmed ...
  41. x.andvlad
    x.andvlad 13 November 2013 13: 05
    0
    Quote: MIKHAN
    After 18 years (or maybe earlier) will come out ... such scum is usually very tenacious. With these laws we produce all evil ... I have no more words .. only teeth will be held together ..

    Yes, very tenacious.
    For example: Salaudin Timirbulatov, nicknamed "Tractor Driver". Many people probably remember the footage of the execution of Russian prisoners of war.
    April 11 1996 years Timirbulatov and several members of his formation volunteered to carry out a demonstrative execution of the captured by a gang of Akhmed Zakayev on their unit on the Atagi-Goiskoy highway of four Russian soldiers: Senior Sergeant Eduard Fedotkov, Junior Sergeant Pavel Sharonov, privates Sergei Mitryaev and Alexei Shcherbatykh. Prisoners were taken to the skyscraper of Surat, five kilometers from the village of Komsomolskoye. The first to be executed was Sharonov, to whom the militant Bakharchiev cut his throat. The next one cut the throat of the Shcherbatykh, this time the Dukuah militant did it. Senior sergeant Fedotkov was killed by an insurgent named Khamzat (surname unknown), and Timirbulatov shot Mitryaev personally. The entire process of execution was filmed on a video camera, and subsequently video filming became crucial evidence for the court. [1]
    In 2001, Timirbulatov was sentenced to life imprisonment.
    According to 2010
    Salaudin Timirbulatov continued to serve his sentence in the Black Dolphin colony. According to some reports, he is seriously ill with tuberculosis.
    That's it!
    1. ed65b
      ed65b 13 November 2013 16: 38
      +1
      And I heard that "Tractor" has already moved all the horses.
    2. brr7710
      brr7710 13 November 2013 18: 23
      0
      Quote: x.andvlad


      According to 2010 [/ b] [b], Salaudin Timirbulatov continued to serve his sentence in the Black Dolphin colony. According to some reports, he is seriously ill with tuberculosis. [/ B]
      That's it!


      Yes, and still serving and is sick with tuberculosis for sure.
  42. George
    George 13 November 2013 13: 06
    +5
    Hello all.
    Why are you doing the calculations that it’s still not clear to someone what our court is.
    What prevents the people from being blown up and demanding the execution of these scum?
    Maybe the lack of something that makes us men?
    I have already cited the post of Sergey Maslenitsa, an officer who graduated from Ryazan and went through both campaigns in Chechnya.
    After the trial of Ulman and his fighters, he wrote a very boorish report, calling Putin a "shitty commander" and left for the reserve, having previously handed over all his awards. After the service, he was actively and successfully engaged in the construction business, transferring part of his earnings to the families of the fallen special forces officers. At the same time, he worked with "problem" teenagers, drug addicts, street children, dropping them from needles, bottles, playing sports with them, taught them Russian history, language, went with them to the mountains, considering it the most important thing in his life. On September 1, 2010, Sergei and his wife were driving along the federal highway when an accident occurred in front of them, as a result of which one of the cars turned over and caught fire. When he pulled out two passengers and returned for a third, the overturned car exploded.
    His post (I quote in full):
    I was born and raised in Chechnya, more precisely in the stanitsa of the Shelkovsky Shelkovsky district of the Chechen-Ingush Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic. From early childhood I had to intersect with the Vainakhs. And even then I was struck by how much they are stronger than us in spirit. In the kindergarten between the Russian and Vainakh children were constantly fighting, which resulted in parents called. And from the "Russian" side, Mom always came, who was beginning to pronounce her son: "Well, what are you, Vasenka (Kolenka, Petenka), fighting? You can not fight! This is not good! ”And from the“ Vainakh ”side, the father always came. He gave his son a smack and started yelling at him: “How did you, dzhyalab, dare to lose the battle to the stinking Russian - the son of an alcoholic and a prostitute ?! So that tomorrow he beat him so that he would always fight for fear afterwards! ”

    At school, a rare day did without fights, and I almost always had to fight in the minority. And this is despite the fact that there were fifteen Slavs in my five Vainakh class. And while I was waving away from five of them, the remaining fourteen “proud rosiches” at that time were carefully examining their shoes.

    (In principle, if you use public transport, you should have watched a similar picture more than once: one rowdy is harassing someone, and a half-salon of men at this moment certainly begin to be interested in their own shoes). We were constantly under psychological pressure, constantly “felt for slack. ” If you bend a little, that’s it, the end: they’ll lower it so that you won’t get up.
    Once, after high school, I was guarded by Vainakhs, senior high school students. In a fight, I smashed one of them with a plumbing pipe. The rest stopped the fight and dragged their wounded. The next day in class, unfamiliar Vainakhs approached me and scored an arrow, declaring that we would fight with knives - to the death. I came, and there are about fifteen of them there, and all are adult men. I think - everything is now slaughtered. But they appreciated that I was not scared and came alone, so they put up one fighter. They gave me a knife, and the Chechen went out without a weapon. Then I threw my own too, and we were cut with our bare hands. As a result of this fight, I got to the hospital with fractures, but when I left, I was met by the father of the guy to whom I broke the head with a pipe. He told me: “I see that you are a warrior, and you are not afraid of death. Be a guest in my house. ” After that, we talked with him for a long time. He told me about adats (Chechen ancestral habits), about education, turning Chechen boys into fighters, about the fact that we, Russian pi @ aras, broke away from our roots, stopped listening to their old men, drank themselves, degenerated into a crowd of cowardly rams and stopped to be a people
    It was from this very moment that my “pereobuvanie” began, or, if you like, becoming.
    1. George
      George 13 November 2013 13: 11
      +6
      Continuation:
      Then came the "fun times." Russian began to cut on the streets in broad daylight. Before my eyes in line for the bread of a Russian guy surrounded Vainakhs, one of whom spat on the floor and suggested that the Russian lick spittle from the floor. When he refused, his stomach was ripped open with a knife. Chechens burst into the parallel class right during the lesson, chose three of the prettiest Russian high school girls and dragged them along. Then we learned that the girls were presented as a birthday present to a local Chechen authority.

      And then it became quite fun. The militants came to the village and began to strip it of Russian. At night, the screams of people who were raped and cut in their own home were sometimes heard. And no one came to help them. Everyone was on his own, everyone was shaking with fear, and some managed to bring an ideological basis for this case, they say, “my home is my fortress” (yes, dear Rodo, I heard this phrase exactly then. The person who said it, not alive - his guts were wound on the fence of his own house). That's how we, cowardly and stupid, cut out one by one. Tens of thousands of Russians were killed, several thousand fell into slavery and Chechen harems, hundreds of thousands fled from Chechnya in their shorts.
      So the Vainakhs decided the “Russian question” in a single republic.
      And they succeeded only because we were nobodies, full of shit. We are now, though not so liquid anymore - steel grains began to come across shit. And when these grains come together - condopogs occur. There are few of them yet, but the Vainakhs are great. Real orderlies in the forest. As a result of their cultural and educational mission in Russia, Russian rams again become people.
      Generally, those who in their life intersected with the Chechens, there is nothing to hate them for. And after that
      ****************
      There is something to hate for those who did not intersect with them (Cautiously! Don't watch the faint-hearted! Remaining to watch, remembering cognitive dissonance. And I recommend watching the video first, then reading further).

      The video was shot by militants in 1999 g during the invasion of the Basayev group in Dagestan. Our group post was on the way of the group; its personnel, upon seeing the militants, crap from fear and surrendered. Our soldiers had the opportunity to die like a man, in battle. They did not want to, and as a result were slaughtered like sheep. And if you watched the video carefully, you should have noticed that only one man’s hands were tied up last. The rest of the fate provided another chance to die like human beings. Any of them could get up and make the last sharp movement in his life - if not to cling to the enemy with his teeth, then at least take a knife or machine gun on the chest, standing. But they, seeing, hearing, and feeling that their comrades were being slaughtered next to them, and knowing that they would be slaughtered too, still preferred sheep death.
    2. Hleb
      Hleb 13 November 2013 13: 23
      0
      I have already cited the post of Sergey Maslenitsa
      I have already met this for a long time. But there allegedly wrote Sergei Tarasov. Colonel.
      the source is probably not realistic to find
    3. Hleb
      Hleb 13 November 2013 13: 37
      0
      http://topwar.ru/4160-chechenskie-vospominaniya.html
      and here she was. April 2011
      1. George
        George 13 November 2013 14: 25
        0
        http://kubanezz.livejournal.com/14355.html?thread=342035
        Read.
        1. Hleb
          Hleb 13 November 2013 14: 41
          0
          Read.

          and why?
          1. George
            George 13 November 2013 15: 02
            0
            Quote: Gleb
            Read.

            and why?

            In order not to "supposedly"
            1. Hleb
              Hleb 13 November 2013 17: 08
              0
              well it’s understandable, but do you give a link to the author? otherwise everything goes through third parties. from someone’s words. from some quotes, from some sites
              1. George
                George 13 November 2013 22: 36
                0
                Quote: Gleb
                well it’s understandable, but do you give a link to the author? otherwise everything goes through third parties. from someone’s words. from some quotes, from some sites

                The author, as you understand, is not alive (blessed memory of him).
                In the link cited by me, the author collected all the material on the posts of Sergey.
  43. Dimon-chik-79
    Dimon-chik-79 13 November 2013 13: 10
    +1
    Quote: Nevsky_ZU
    September 5 platoon Tashkina about three hours fought back from the many superior forces of the militants. .. The help to the Russian military men and militiamen didn't come.


    Help never came ... Hmm ... something tells me, even if they had defended 3 days, instead of 3-4 hours. help wouldn't come anyway. Terrible times then reigned in Russia and its security forces. There was treachery, confusion and total corruption in the middle command levels. recourse

    Why is this and other facts of betrayal not being investigated? It seems to me that this would be no less important than investigating the atrocities of terrorists and they should sit on the same bench with them in court!
  44. George
    George 13 November 2013 13: 13
    +6
    Ending :
    This is one-to-one situation with Russians in Chechnya. There we behaved the same way. And we were exactly the same way.
    By the way, every young recruiting in my platoon, and then in the company, I certainly showed trophy Chechen videos, and even less glamorous than the one presented. My fighters looked at torture, at ripping up the abdomen, and at cutting off the head with a hacksaw. Looked carefully. After that, none of them could come to mind to surrender.
    I have already told you about the speech of Rokhlin. But he didn’t tell about what happened next. And then there was a terrible, terrible battle, in which out of my platoon in 19, six people survived. And when the Chechens broke into the location and it came to grenades, and we realized that all of us came n @ zdets - I saw real Russian people. There was no fear anymore. There was some funny anger, detachment from everything. There was one thought in my head: "Daddy asked me not to let me down." The wounded themselves were bandaged, they themselves were cut off by promedol and continued the fight.
    Then we agreed with the Vainakhs in hand-to-hand combat. And they ran. It was a turning point in the battle for Grozny. It was a confrontation between two characters - Caucasian and Russian, and ours turned out to be harder. It was at that moment that I realized that we could do it. This solid rod is in us, it only needs to be cleared of sticking shit. In the melee we took prisoners. Looking at us, they did not even whine - they howled in horror. And then we were intercepted by radio interception - Dudayev’s order was passed on the militants' radio networks: “The scouts from 8AK and the special forces of the Airborne Forces are not captured or tortured but immediately finished up and buried as warriors”. We were very proud of this order.

    Since then, I have been watching and trying to take note of the bursts of the Russian character. The dynamics of change are, in principle, pleasant, but the full conversion of the Russians to the correct one is still very, very far away.

    Draw conclusions yourself friends.
    1. ramsi
      ramsi 13 November 2013 14: 46
      +2
      And what are the conclusions? .. There are two people who hate each other to convulsions, to gnashing of teeth, the best mutual existence of which would be a shootout at the border, and not a common passport. And it will not work, neither they nor we will become others - but no one wants
  45. Valery Neonov
    Valery Neonov 13 November 2013 13: 21
    +2
    "... still others continue to hide from the investigation abroad."-upon detection (detention) do not take alive, -save money to save ... soldier
  46. Bort radist
    Bort radist 13 November 2013 13: 28
    +3
    I am wondering:
    1) Did the judges watch the shots of the execution, or did they believe the experts' word?
    2) How is it necessary to repent so that this is taken into account, what are the criteria? To cry?
    This can never be forgiven, remember, and who forgets to remind ....
    1. kafa
      kafa 13 November 2013 13: 46
      +3
      1 judges have bosses (politicians)
      2 I do not know the prices but the trip is not expensive (much cheaper than the lives of those killed)
      3 people who killed Russian soldiers hero of Russia ............
      4This is "The department noted that in 1999 Vagapov, misunderstanding the idea of ​​the struggle for the ideas of religion, joined one of the illegal armed groups in the city of Grozny." a guarantee that he will serve partly half of the amnesty and not udo.
      1. Yarosvet
        Yarosvet 13 November 2013 15: 13
        +1
        Quote: kafa
        3 people who killed Russian soldiers hero of Russia ............

        Hero was 16 years old in the years 92-93, clashed with the Czechs in the 94th.
        In addition to soldiers, he killed civilians.
        1. kafa
          kafa 13 November 2013 15: 23
          +1
          this is their heroism too
  47. DimYang
    DimYang 13 November 2013 14: 10
    +2
    Just keep that in mind. And since our people want their blood, the blood of enemies must be shed sooner or later. A minimum of life, in tsarist Russia there was such a good thing - hard labor.
  48. kind
    kind 13 November 2013 14: 35
    +2
    Some creatures are minus the article.
    1. Hleb
      Hleb 13 November 2013 14: 43
      +1
      and here is the floor of the Glorov site now. we don’t want to read such information. sit at the monitor with a sandwich and rinse Ukrainians with Jews. but they don’t really need to
      1. Larus
        Larus 13 November 2013 14: 58
        0
        And what does the Little Russians have to do with it?
        1. Hleb
          Hleb 13 November 2013 17: 06
          0
          Yes, it's not even about them, but about the popularity of topics on the site
      2. kafa
        kafa 13 November 2013 15: 04
        +1
        Glorov - at Cho for Guano?!?
        they rinse Ukrainians with Jews and Tatars with Mongols they probably feel like Aryans with Aryans and everything I think is purebred Atlantes and Nibelungs there are no such smiles, but two people keep one figure is not difficult (a cheating tip also cookie)
      3. George
        George 13 November 2013 15: 07
        +3
        Quote: Gleb
        . sit at the monitor with a sandwich and rinse Ukrainians with Jews. but the truth is they do not need

        By the way, Sergey in his posts and on Jews walked:
        Well, in order to finish - we practice a little more liquid action.
        The first approach to the projectile.
        In my platoon (and later in the company) I served as a Jewish contract soldier, Misha R ... yman. They called him his Jew, and he corrected the strangers, declaring: “I am not a Jew. I am a Jew!” During the "first Chechen" in Grozny in the district of the cannery we, the whole reconnaissance group, fell into an ambush. And when the militants who surrounded us shouted: “Rusyna, give up!”, This little woman who was closest to the breach in the wall entered into a discussion: first he shot a grenade launcher, and then he added in words: “Suck it off, slamming!”
        During the second Chechen, I once caught a couple of bullets. And this little wreck of my hundred kilogram carcass pulled 11 kilometers on itself. Do you want to fight with this Jew? No problem. That's just first have to fight with me.
        The second approach to the projectile.
        In the same place, in the war, fate brought me together with another Jew - Lev Yakovlevich Rokhlin. Initially, our participation in the New Year's assault was not supposed. But when communication with the 131st and 81st mechanized infantry brigades was lost, we were thrown to the rescue. We broke through to the location of 8 AK, commanded by General Rokhlin, and arrived at his headquarters. It was then that I first saw him in person. And at first glance he somehow did not seem to me: hunched over, with a cold, with cracked glasses ... Not a general, but some tired agronomist. He set us the task - to collect the scattered remnants of the Maikop brigade and the 81st regiment and bring them to the police department of the Rohlin reconnaissance battalion. This is what we did - we collected the meat pissing from fear in the basements and took them to the location of the Rochlin scouts. There were about two mouths in total. At first, Rokhlin did not want to use them, but when all the other groupings retreated, 8 AK was left alone in an operational environment in the city center. Against all militants! And then Rokhlin lined up this "army" opposite the formation of his fighters and addressed them with a speech. I will never forget this speech. The general's most affectionate expressions were: "th monkeys" and "p @ darasy". At the end, he said: "The militants outnumber us fifteen times. And we have nowhere to wait for help. And if we are destined to lie here, let each of us be found under a heap of enemy corpses. Let's show how Russian soldiers and Russian generals can die!" Don't let me down, sons ... "
        Lev Yakovlevich has long been dead - they sorted it out without you. One Jew is less, is not it?
        1. Same lech
          Same lech 13 November 2013 16: 35
          +2
          Bravo! You can’t say better.
          Now, according to the article, the first time I saw a video of the Tukhchar tragedy, I was simply furious.
          When I calmed down and put my thoughts in order, I analyzed the entire period of time when our guys were there.
          So, I would first shoot the commander who sent Vasily Tashkin and his fighters without providing everything necessary and without explaining what to do in such a situation.

          The entire course of the battle with the bandits is programmed to the death of our guys - THIS IS A VISIBLY UNEARED LOOK.
          No cover, nor a normal connection, the BATTLES were thrown at the outset of fate.
          But what happened, something happened - further the humanity of our ships to the bandits is simply amazing.
          In the United States, for simply attempting to kill a policeman, they give us a 18-year-old thug — who, leaving the zone, will again go to kill the Russians — IT IS A SHAME TO THE RUSSIAN JUSTICE for such sentences and laws.
    2. Anatoly. RUS
      Anatoly. RUS 13 November 2013 19: 02
      0
      I put the article + right away, the article immediately had two minuses. Like this?????
  49. Sewer
    Sewer 13 November 2013 15: 02
    +4
    This verdict is a disgrace to the present! negative So hate Russian soldiers that spit such a verdict! Shame!
  50. kafa
    kafa 13 November 2013 15: 10
    +1
    Quote: Sewer
    This verdict is a disgrace to the present! negative So hate Russian soldiers that spit such a verdict! Shame!

    Amendment of Russians there and Muslims were sometimes present. Only these rabid dogs neither God nor the law nor the elderly are decree only money