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Secret Yanukovych

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The unexpected and short-term visit of the President of Ukraine Viktor Yanukovich to Moscow - to the Russian leader Vladimir Putin - made a lot of noise. The situation was first stirred up by the Ukrainian media, which initially announced that the head of Ukraine had flown to Moscow, and then some Russian media outlets, having published information about the “shortness” of Yanukovych to the Russian capital. For some time, the question of where Viktor Yanukovych is at the moment was hanging in the air, since he seemed to have flown out of Kiev, but did not appear in Moscow.


The situation was somewhat defused by the head of the Kremlin press service, Dmitry Peskov. He said that Yanukovych last Saturday really met with Vladimir Putin, and at the meeting the heads of state discussed with each other issues of trade and economic cooperation.

Discussion of just such questions at the meeting of the Russian and Ukrainian president in the light of current events looked more than predictable. Recall that in two weeks the EU summit on the so-called Eastern Partnership starts in Vilnius, and it is expected that at this summit the number of countries that have signed an association agreement and entering a free trade zone with the EU will increase at the expense of Ukraine.

We have repeatedly discussed the issues of what will happen to the economies of the Russian Federation and Ukraine after the latter signs the mentioned agreement and goes under the “warm wing” of Brussels. Now it is worth discussing the somewhat strange visit of Viktor Yanukovich to Moscow. This visit is also called strange in Ukraine itself, and not only outright opponents of Viktor Yanukovich, but even his colleagues in the “Party of Regions” are called. Strange - because Viktor Fedorovich, as it turns out, before leaving for a conversation with Vladimir Putin, he did not warn any of the parliamentarians who belong to the Party of Regions faction. And, accordingly, he did not explain to his party members what ideas he was going to discuss in Moscow literally on the eve of the Vilnius summit.

Secret Yanukovych


The fact that Yanukovych went to Moscow without consulting with his supporters in the Ukrainian government, said the deputy from the "Party of Regions" Elena Bondarenko. On the Ukrainian TV channel ICTV, they asked her if she was aware of why the president went to Moscow, and what did the president talk about at the meeting? The legislator replied that she was not aware of the purpose of this visit, and about the awareness of other “regionals” on this issue, she said, quote:

If they knew, probably, someone would have already shared with the media.


At the same time, Elena Bondarenko put forward her own version of why the negotiations between Yanukovich and Putin were conducted in a mode of heightened secrecy. In her opinion, the whole thing is in the latest scandals that have emerged with wiretapping of the talks of the leaders of various states:

In the light of the constantly emerging scandals a la Snowden, a la Assange, I think these are precisely the security measures that the politicians of the two countries are taking to ensure that they are not spied on. Everyone heard about the scandal with Merkel wiretapping, right? Enough is not enough. I think that those politicians who are concerned about the protection of their interests, about the protection of the negotiation process, are forced to do just that.


So, the version of such a misty visit of Yanukovich to Moscow was put forward in the “Party of Regions” - they say, to ensure the secrecy of the negotiation process from the interception of the same CIA, NSA or other similar services.

However, Ukrainians and Russians are not so much worried about why everything is so vague as about what exactly the leaders of the states said to each other at this quick meeting. Building some versions on this issue is, of course, a thankless task, but still ...

It is worth recalling that the meeting between Yanukovich and Putin took place on November 9 (so says Russian presidential spokesman Dmitry Peskov), and exactly one day before Ukraine announced that it was refusing to buy Russian gas. Information came from Kiev, which emphasized contracts with RWE (Germany), which in transit through Poland will pump gas to Ukraine. In addition, Russia was reminded that Ukraine had more than six months selling gas through Hungarian territory to European partners and that Ukraine would soon have plenty of gas — from mining to shale gas, which would help Western investors, for example, Shell.

Information about the refusal of the services of "Gazprom" announced on Friday, Yanukovych the next day flies to Moscow. Coincidence? If a coincidence, then unique. Rather, it is not a coincidence, but the alignment of a logical chain. The link of this chain - the visit of the President of Ukraine to Moscow - is presented as one of the latest options for bargaining for Yanukovich. In other words, Yanukovych, as it were, demonstrates to Putin that Ukraine can completely do without Russian expensive gas, and that such independence from Gazprom will only increase over time due to “care” from Western “partners.” Can Russia ignore such a demarche of Ukraine in the present conditions? Theoretically, yes, in practice, it is difficult to do, because losing consumers to “our national wealth” is not from the hand ...

In such a situation, it is quite possible to expect the long-awaited reduction of prices for Russian gas for Ukraine by Yanukovych. A reasonable price for Kiev would be at the level of 270-280 dollars per thousand cubic meters - two times lower than the current price. Ukrainian officials have already spoken about this more than once. Even at the very end of last year, Gazprom itself predicted a decline in prices for Ukraine not to 270 dollars, of course, but to 350-360 - for sure. Large-scale decline, as we understand, did not happen. Now the Ukrainian president could use this as a kind of trump card: they say, we demonstrate that we are completely painlessly moving away from economic dependence on Russia, but Russia's dependence on Ukraine continues to show itself (well, for example, the Russian Black Sea Fleet in Crimea). And if such a trump card was actually presented to Yanukovych, then the pricing policy with regard to Russian gas may change in the direction of reducing the cost of a thousand cubic meters of “blue fuel”.

However, a trump card with possible statements about the painlessness of refusing Ukraine’s close economic contacts with Russia is in fact dubious. This is confirmed by a letter addressed to Viktor Yanukovych by the Federation of the Trade Union of Ukraine and the Union of Ukrainian Industrialists and Entrepreneurs. In this letter (the letter Yanukovych received the other day), the president of Ukraine tried to convey information about the deafening rates of decline in the level of Ukrainian production, which is connected, according to representatives of the FPU and USPP, with the deterioration of relations between Kiev and Moscow.
Industrialists of Ukraine estimated that the decline in production in the engineering industry over the past months of this year amounted to more than 13,5%, and the chemical industry - almost 20%! That is, Ukraine can be abandoned both from Russian gas and from the Russian market, but only how will this affect the economy? ..

So far, to the letter of the FPU and the UUIE, Yanukovych has been deaf, which causes outright bewilderment even among his party members. The “regionals” deputies are also dissatisfied with the fact that Yanukovych is playing some kind of his own game, frankly ignoring the interests of people who at one time gave a vote for Yanukovych in the elections. One of the critics of the President of Ukraine today is even the head of the Party of Regions faction in the Verkhovna Rada, Alexander Efremov. The deputy expresses dissatisfaction with the fact that Yanukovych is putting pressure on the faction, calling for supporting unpopular decisions - decisions on association and an FTA with the EU.

This is what Viktor Yanukovych’s fellow party member states on this matter:

Already problems began in the faction. In the "Party of Regions" there are many industrialists from the east and south. A person comes to the region - his enterprise is closed, jobs are lost, the border is closed. And on the ground, people ask logical questions: what do you accept in parliament? He returns to the faction and says: why should I vote for everything? We have 77% of engineering products supplied to Russia.


We are not such a faction - what they said there is what we are doing. We are not robots. We have all the issues discussed and discussed.


Apparently, this time Viktor Yanukovych does not intend to discuss and discuss his decisions. And the best way to explain your "top-secret" fortels is to announce your desire to protect yourself from overhearing by foreign intelligence agencies ...

In general, it is unlikely that Yanukovych now refuses to join the FTA with the European Union. The only option is more than solid "concessions" from Moscow, which, obviously, Viktor Fedorovich was counting on, going to the next meeting with the Russian president. Only after the gas price has dropped and new, impressive loans with ridiculous interest for Kiev, Yanukovych can press on the European integration brake and redirect to integration with Russia and the CU. But will the “partners” from the West allow him to do this? It seems that those are close to not give. After all, they already see the “meat” coming to them under their own power, and feel its smell ... In such a situation, the president of Ukraine will only have to continue his favorite policy - wag his tail in both directions, looking with one eye “there” and “secretly” winking with the other eye "here".
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  1. Baron Wrangell
    Baron Wrangell 13 November 2013 08: 50
    35
    joke in the subject!
    Grandfather and grandmother are watching the news ... ... Presenter: ... ... -
    Yulia Tymoshenko has an intervertebral hernia.
    Grandfather:: - I dragged gravity .... Grandma: - Yeah, Russia has rifled gas cylinders !. .
    1. Nicholas C.
      Nicholas C. 13 November 2013 09: 01
      32
      Yanukovych trades in traditional Ukrainian goods - blackmail. More seems to have nothing to trade.
      1. Skiff
        Skiff 13 November 2013 11: 04
        15
        The secret becomes apparent after the publication of an unofficial translation of the text of the agreement between Ukraine and the EU, which is supposed to be signed in Vilnius in November.

        And the statements of US Ambassador Jeffrey Payette, who, apparently, believes that the process is no longer reversible and there is no sense in hiding something. The new US ambassador, Jeffrey Payette, even without officially taking office, has already announced his “mission” in Ukraine.

        According to the ambassador, it consists of “forcing, inducing Viktor Yanukovych to enter the door that the European Union opened for our country”.

        The consolidation of the colonial status of Ukraine

        Complete elimination of the industrial potential of Ukraine. The closure of enterprises capable of competing with European producers. The elimination of high-tech industries and the scientific potential of Ukraine under the pretext of switching to European standards in education.

        Destruction of fertile land by growing rapeseed and other crops that deplete the land.

        Demoralization of the population. The destruction of the institution of the family, the introduction of juvenile justice, the promotion of gender equality under the guise of protecting human rights. ”

        http://www.pravda-tv.ru/2013/11/11/29743
      2. Nicholas C.
        Nicholas C. 13 November 2013 11: 16
        35
        Well, if jokes are in favor today. Copied.

        Western Ukraine (already separate from Eastern) .... A "Svidomo" Lviv citizen comes home from the next rally, neatly folds the "zhovtoblakit" flag and Bandera's portrait, enters the entrance, presses the elevator button and ......... the elevator GOES. Thinks: "It's strange, it hasn't been working for 10 years already .... !!!!" He enters the apartment and there his wife cooks dinner on a ....... gas stove. He thinks: "It's strange, there has been no gas in Ukraine for 10 years !!!!!" He enters the room, clicks the switch .... and sees - the light is on, despite the fact that it has not been there for 5 years ....... Svidomo slides down the wall, grabs his head and says ....... "WELL, EVERYTHING ........ THE KNOWS OF OCCUPANTS TURNED BACK !!!!!!!"
      3. Alez
        Alez 13 November 2013 12: 53
        +6
        In the strictest secrecy, a Russian agent named Ever Begging has arrived to meet with his BB resident at a carefully secret palace in the Kremlin. They received detailed instructions on working with the European Union. We are waiting for the continuation ...
      4. I am a Russian
        I am a Russian 13 November 2013 13: 24
        +5
        Quote: Nikolai S.
        Yanukovych trades in traditional Ukrainian goods - blackmail


        There is something more ...
        This has already been published - "American Investment Fund Franklin Templeton has acquired 20% of Ukraine's external debt"

        ... part of the land leased to Arab countries for agricultural crops

        ... a cheap, unskilled slave. power

        and blackmail - they have "weapon number 1"
        1. Botanologist
          Botanologist 13 November 2013 21: 53
          +1
          Quote: I am a Russian
          and blackmail - they have "weapon number 1"


          Completeness, my friend. How can he blackmail? In spite of mama’s ears frostbite? So they already seem to be frostbitten.
      5. wow
        wow 13 November 2013 14: 05
        -2
        To the cunning w ... u have x ... threaded!
        1. Jaros81
          Jaros81 13 November 2013 22: 23
          0
          And the continuation ??? And for every x ... with a thread, there is also a ..... maze.
          1. Vasyan1971
            Vasyan1971 14 November 2013 00: 25
            +2
            And on ... with a labyrinth they came up with a bolt with a navigator.
            1. Jaros81
              Jaros81 14 November 2013 15: 00
              0
              Well done! I have not heard such a continuation !! ))))
      6. Gluxar_
        Gluxar_ 13 November 2013 19: 53
        +4
        Quote: Nikolai S.
        Yanukovych trades in traditional Ukrainian goods - blackmail. More seems to have nothing to trade.

        Article minus. There is no information at all, only some kind of stupid speculation.
        There is no need to guess the topic with Ukraine, you just have to wait. Let them sign what they want, it is important that in the end it turns out. Any paper can be torn and discarded.
        1. Korben
          Korben 13 November 2013 20: 38
          +1
          I support! The words of a sane person!
        2. abdrah
          abdrah 14 November 2013 05: 35
          +5
          Yeah, well, why can't Russia "tear and throw away" those papers that were signed under the hunchback and Yeltsin? why can't you get out of the senile bans and moratoriums ?? Unfortunately, simply "tearing it up and throwing it away" does not work; behind each signed paper there is something more significant than the signatures of former presidents.
    2. WASABI
      WASABI 13 November 2013 09: 16
      14
      Quote: Baron Wrangel
      Yeah, gas cylinders from Russia !. .

      laughing Fun!!! Good morning everybody! Undoubtedly, Mr. Volodin's point of view has a right to exist and is not devoid of logic (especially since in the past gas was a trump card in negotiations between Moscow and Kiev more than once), but I personally see a different scenario. The fact is that the actions of Yanukovych are led by the aligarchic Ukrainian elite, who are very worried about "their" property and business and understand that they will not be able to resist Russian business (in the case of closer integration within the Customs Union). So this "business elite" decided to choose the lesser of two evils and go to the EU. Yanukovych, realizing that he would not see the next presidential term under any circumstances (his rating is below 20%) came to secure guarantees of personal security from Putin in exchange for refusing to integrate with Europe.
      Believe me, he is very far from worries about the economic and political state of the country, which he was entrusted with ruling (at least at this stage), he is more concerned with personal selfish interest and unwillingness to answer for the fiasco, which is called the "presidential term of Yanukovych."
      I think that he will be "thrown" with an agreement right at the summit. And Angela Merkel will most likely do it.
      1. cosmos111
        cosmos111 13 November 2013 09: 28
        11
        Quote: VASABI
        And most likely Angela Merkel will do it.

        For the West, Yanukovych is a stranger with a criminal past.
        He will be willingly exchanged for Armenian Julia, with a scythe ala Lesya Ukrainka. lol
        And after Yanukovych, the presidential election in Ukraine, a new prison term awaits. crying
        The moral is not to throw your sponsor friends.
        1. WASABI
          WASABI 13 November 2013 09: 37
          +7
          Quote: cosmos111
          Yanukovych after the presidential election in Ukraine, is waiting for a new prison term.

          You are right and precisely from this, far from a ghostly, perspective, and Viktor Fedorovich is trying to both protect himself and that’s why he so does not want to let go to Germany "pale with a scythe".
          1. cosmos111
            cosmos111 13 November 2013 10: 14
            10
            Quote: VASABI
            let go to Germany "pale with a scythe."

            I do not want AN needed.
            He is like crucian, has already captured the bait with a worm. fool
            National Ukrainian fun-sitting on 2 chairs at once.
        2. seller trucks
          seller trucks 13 November 2013 09: 51
          12
          Quote: cosmos111
          He will be willingly exchanged for Armenian Julia, with a scythe ala Lesya Ukrainka.


          she, a half-blood Armenian, is her second half Kapitelman.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 13 November 2013 10: 43
            +9
            Quote: seller trucks
            her second half is Kapitelman.

            Common Armenian last name winked
        3. seller trucks
          seller trucks 13 November 2013 10: 40
          +6
          Ukraine refused to sign an association with the EU


          The Ukrainian authorities will not sign an association agreement with the European Union (CA) and an agreement on the creation of a free trade zone (FTA) with the EU in Vilnius, a source who wished to remain anonymous said in an interview with a REGNUM correspondent today, November 13.
          "During the last visit of Prime Minister Mykola Azarov to Donetsk, the Donetsk authorities were informed that the administration of Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych and European officials are already considering the possibility of postponing the signing of the SA and FTA to 2014 or even later. The initiator of the breakdown was the Ukrainian side, because the European Union did not find mechanisms to compensate for the financial losses of the Ukrainian economy from the possible rupture of trade and economic ties with Russia. Also, European politicians took a tough stance on the release of Yulia Tymoshenko, "the source said.
          According to the source, at present the efforts of regional security officials and officials are aimed at tracking protest actions by opposition political forces, which are expected after the end of the summit in Vilnius. "For example, a clear task has now been set for Donetsk security officials and officials: to begin preparations for possible protest actions by opposition forces: UDAR and VO Batkivshchyna," the source said. However, the situation may change, but this is the case today.

          http://archive.censor.net.ua/

          The main thing is that it is not a "THROWING"
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 13 November 2013 10: 57
            +8
            Quote: seller trucks
            since the European Union did not find mechanisms to compensate for the financial losses of the Ukrainian economy from a possible rupture of trade and economic ties with Russia.

            Enchanting. Not yet entered, but already demanding money
            1. WASABI
              WASABI 13 November 2013 11: 16
              +9
              Quote: Spade
              Enchanting. Not yet entered, but already demanding money

              Maybe not so enchanting, but quite predictable. Recently, Azarov said that for the normal association of Ukraine with the EU, about 160 billion euros are required (!!!).
              Everything is logical within the framework of the principle: "ANY YOUR CAPRICE FOR YOUR MONEY".
          2. morpex
            morpex 13 November 2013 14: 23
            +2
            Quote: seller trucks
            The main thing is that it is not a "THROWING"

            More on the topic: 1. The interest association on 95 will not be signed.
            2. The vehicle will not be signed (for now)
            3. Putin scared Yanukovych more than the Europeans (with the so far monitoring Americans). In addition to destabilizing the economic, he seriously scared the destabilization and uncontrollability of the southeast. And, most importantly, the nomination of a pro-Russian candidate, supported by the Kremlin. In addition to Medvedchuk, the names of Shufrich and another current deputy of the PR, which I do not want to name, were called. By the way, the hard worker with Markov and the rotation of the governors are from this series.
            4. Bonuses promised by Putin for non-signing (for now for non-signing): serious loans instead of the IMF. Personal kickbacks from sharply cheaper gas ("presidential" Well, business). Electoral assistance.
            5. Julia - of course, the veil. To provoke the opposition and try to shift the responsibility on it for a breakdown.
            6. Russia is actively working in Europe, and there are several countries that may be opposed, even with the “heavyweights,” which will frustrate this cause.
        4. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 13 November 2013 10: 42
          +2
          Quote: cosmos111
          For the West, Yanukovych is a stranger with a criminal past.

          Rather, another sucker, at the expense of whose country you can support your economy.
          Quote: cosmos111
          He will be willingly exchanged for Armenian Julia,

          Is she an Armenian?
          1. morpex
            morpex 13 November 2013 14: 27
            +2
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Is she an Armenian?

            Include logic. And we and you are "ruled" by either Jews or Armenians ... wassat They are lovers of changing surnames ...
            1. Corsair
              Corsair 13 November 2013 14: 36
              +5
              Quote: morpex
              Turn on logic

              And you morpexturn on a sense of humor laughing .
              All Romanov understands only fights wink .
            2. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 13 November 2013 17: 14
              +5
              Quote: morpex
              Turn on logic.

              Yes, I’m moving on, just if you convince visitors to the site from Azerbaijan that she is Armenian, we get comments that the world has not seen wassat
        5. Corsair
          Corsair 13 November 2013 11: 04
          +2
          Quote: cosmos111
          He will be willingly exchanged for Armenian Julia, with a scythe ala Lesya Ukrainka.

          So she will not be sent to Armenia for treatment ... laughing
          1. Egoza
            Egoza 13 November 2013 11: 27
            +9
            Quote: Corsair
            So she will not be sent to Armenia for treatment

            Doesn't want to stink! And in general, the surname Nrinyan somehow unexpectedly appeared in her dad's time when he was living in Latvia, only sounded like Grigyants, then for some reason it changed into Grigyan .... Grandfather Kapitelman approved! Well, then get married - Tymoshenko is a "real Ukrainian" laughing
            1. Corsair
              Corsair 13 November 2013 13: 04
              +3
              Quote: Egoza
              Tymoshenko "a real Ukrainian"

              The smut of fire ...
              (It can be translated as: And most importantly TRUE?(Sincere?)
      2. Canep
        Canep 13 November 2013 09: 46
        +4
        Quote: VASABI
        came to seek guarantees of personal security from Putin
        Quote: VASABI
        I think that he will be "thrown" with an agreement right at the summit. And Angela Merkel will most likely do it.


        Very similar to the fact that it really is. As for gas from Germany, Gazprom, as far as I know, concludes agreements that do not provide for re-export of gas to third countries. Germany, I think, will not sell gas to Ukraine in the necessary volumes and on an ongoing basis, one-time deliveries are possible, but constantly unlikely.

        Someone on the site said that Putin put up with the departure of Ukraine. Yes, perhaps so, he seems to be Yanukovych not very reconciled with his fate. Jerked like crucian in a pan.
        1. WASABI
          WASABI 13 November 2013 10: 18
          +5
          Quote: Canep
          Someone on the site said that Putin put up with the departure of Ukraine.

          I don’t think it’s so, especially after his deafening slap on Abame. I think that having lost the diplomatic war in Syria, the West (and primarily the United States) will try to win back in Ukraine, realizing the special significance of this region for Russia, not so much economic as ethnocultural. It is in THEIR (USA and others like them) spirit - to separate two people, brotherly in spirit and blood, and (this is a special "chic") set them against each other.
          And then, how was the Russian president recognized as "the most influential politician on Earth" ??? NOT AMERICAN, but Russian ??! We must knock these laurels off him.
          I think that Putin will fight to the end, using all his leverage!
          1. Andrey57
            Andrey57 13 November 2013 10: 52
            +3
            Yes, Russia is in fact on the drum whether Ukraine will sign this agreement or not. The realities are such that if it signs, then Ukraine will then stand firmly in its movement "Into the bright EU" - the economic realities of this movement will not allow, and the possibilities of the GDP by clicking the EU are such that the EU bureaucrats will not risk butting with the GDP, this is nobody until I let it down. So it turns out that it doesn't matter which side of the line called "signing an association with the EU" Ukraine will be located, if no further movement is even expected, note - the EU received more than 17 times through Nord Stream this year. % of gas more than in 2012. hi
          2. xan
            xan 13 November 2013 13: 52
            0
            Quote: VASABI
            I think that Putin will fight to the end, using all his leverage!

            May he not fight to the end, this is not his method. He simply lengthens the game, calculates many moves ahead, which his opponents cannot do, or rather they can’t calculate further than Putin, or rather Putin’s team. Why is Ukraine needed if it is necessary to jump out of pants because of it? Present Ukraine can only weaken.
            But it is necessary to strengthen.
            1. morpex
              morpex 13 November 2013 14: 32
              +6
              Quote: xan
              Today's Ukraine can only weaken. But it needs to be strengthened.

              Weak, strong, dead, alive - in any form, Russia needs Russia as air. Without it, Russia will not take place as EMPIRE. And Putin, unlike you, understands this perfectly. And he will put all the methods to use for this. so as not to give Ukraine to the West ...
              1. xan
                xan 13 November 2013 15: 35
                +3
                Quote: morpex
                Without it, Russia will not take place as an EMPIRE

                Enough of this empty idle talk as an important advantage of Ukraine. It was a long time ago, and now it is no longer true
                Quote: morpex
                And Putin, unlike you, understands this perfectly

                Putin, unlike you, understands that Ukraine needs an ardent supporter of Russia, and not forever aching and ready to betray.
                The time of such Ukraine has not come yet.
              2. ATATA
                ATATA 13 November 2013 16: 37
                +6
                Quote: morpex
                Weak, strong, dead, alive - in any form, Russia needs Russia as air. Without it, Russia will not take place as EMPIRE. And Putin, unlike you, understands this perfectly. And he will put all the methods to use for this. so as not to give Ukraine to the West ...

                Not at all...
                Everything is much simpler.
                Ukraine is full of relatives.
                We worry about them too. And Empire, this is already like a free appendage.
                1. morpex
                  morpex 13 November 2013 20: 02
                  +2
                  Quote: ATATA
                  Not at all...

                  Nah ...
                  Quote: ATATA
                  Everything is much simpler.

                  In my opinion it’s more difficult ...
                  Quote: ATATA
                  Ukraine is full of relatives.

                  Here in Russia too ..
                  Quote: ATATA
                  We are worried about them.

                  And we are experiencing. The truth. Without irony ...
                  Quote: ATATA
                  And Empire, this is already like a free appendage.

                  Putin wants to leave his mark on world history. How Ivan the Terrible, Peter, Stalin left him ... And the restoration of the Empire This is his main goal. By the way, I am not at all against such a development of events. If only without blood ...
                  1. ATATA
                    ATATA 13 November 2013 20: 26
                    0
                    Quote: morpex
                    And we are experiencing. The truth. Without irony ...

                    And why did you decide that I'm ironic?
        2. vadson
          vadson 13 November 2013 10: 24
          +1
          everything has its time, if Ukraine signs an agreement with the EU, then the economy will fall into the abyss, as a result, they will receive our new 90s, in 10, 15, 20 years they will be asked to come back
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 13 November 2013 10: 50
            +5
            Quote: vadson
            as a result, they will receive our new 90s, after 10, 15, 20 years they themselves will be asked back

            Yes, let them go wherever they want, wherever they come and wherever they go, we will still be to blame laughing
        3. Egoza
          Egoza 13 November 2013 10: 43
          +5
          Quote: Canep
          And about gas from Germany,

          Actually, they are already buying gas, and not in Germany, but in Hungary and elsewhere (I don’t remember exactly). And it’s really cheaper, but Gazprom has now filed a complaint against these countries (1), but they need to quarrel with Gazprom? And where are the guarantees that these same countries will not raise the price later? (2) So the attempt is doomed to failure.
          1. avt
            avt 13 November 2013 13: 59
            +4
            Quote: Egoza
            Actually, they are already buying gas, and not in Germany, but in Hungary and elsewhere (I don’t remember exactly). And really cheaper

            They have already won back the chip, now they are raising gas from the storage facilities, moreover, the technological gas intended to ensure the supply to Europa through the Ukrainian gas transportation system. So, the winter "holidays" are guaranteed, well, if the Euryopians do not settle down with their 3rd energy package in relation to the Nord Stream.
      3. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 13 November 2013 10: 40
        +2
        Quote: VASABI
        The fact is that the actions of Yanukovych are led by the aligarchic Ukrainian elite

        Ukrainian oligarchs are sitting in a puddle, which is what we are talking about. Of course, Yanukovych’s son will be a plus for everyone, and the rest? The rest are sitting and scratching turnips.
      4. azanov
        azanov 13 November 2013 11: 21
        +4
        About the "kidok" at the summit, I completely agree. And the reason for Merkel will be iron (Tymoshenko), as well as the fact that it is necessary to put in order legislation, technical regulations, etc.
      5. shtanko.49
        shtanko.49 13 November 2013 14: 44
        +4
        If the Ukrainian aligarchs are afraid that they will not resist the Customs Union, then what does it shine in the European Union? Their business will simply be destroyed, so as not to get underfoot.
      6. Flooding
        Flooding 13 November 2013 18: 38
        +4
        Quote: VASABI
        the Ukrainian elite, very worried about "their" property and business, and realizing that they will not be able to resist against Russian business (in the case of closer integration within the Customs Union).

        What are you saying? The vast majority of Ukraine’s economy is working on the Russian market. And here it’s for you: you cannot resist Russian business, you need to get closer to the EU.
        And then in the EU semi-literate handicraftsmen work on the knee?
        And then the EU needs Ukrainian goods?
        What nonsense.
        The industry of Kazakhstan and Belarus suffered greatly during the membership of these countries in the CU?
      7. Botanologist
        Botanologist 13 November 2013 21: 56
        +2
        Quote: VASABI
        realizing that they cannot resist Russian business (in the case of tighter integration within the framework of the Customs Union)


        Of course, they can easily resist European and American business. wassat

        Quote: VASABI
        he will be thrown with a treaty right at the summit. And most likely Angela Merkel will do it


        And most likely in a direct and understandable way, as the Germans know how.
  2. os9165
    os9165 13 November 2013 08: 59
    0
    In Ukraine, no one wanted to die, or rather join the EU. The time has come "X" - the eggs of Yanukovych hung over the trench of the Europeans - he thought the eggs of the krindets. The non-alternativeist began to look for an alternative. Volodya, the last price, some pathetic eggs, and a little bit more and take Nenko with all her giblets, he asked, but do not leave me the whole piece too - he changed his mind.
    1. domokl
      domokl 13 November 2013 09: 13
      +4
      In principle, everything is true ... If we discard tolerance, then Ukraine itself outwitted ...
      1. denson06
        denson06 13 November 2013 11: 44
        0
        What are you ... what are you ...))) In no case should you discount "tolerance" when discussing issues with Western partners ..)
        There, in principle, a handful of this oligarchic ... all are known almost ... purely selfish interests ... the sources of funding are comparable to our NGOs (although in reality it is even simpler there). Yanych is not a fighter of nichrome, he got stuck between two fires, like Barak, with his "red line".
        Who thought about the people of Ukraine, really? There, all normal politicians have long been surrounded and pressed .. Is there a normal, clear person at least one (except for Klitschko the pro-Western) whom the people can trust? I need a competent man with normal eggs .. people there for 20 years are simply tired of this horror ..
  3. shark
    shark 13 November 2013 09: 05
    10
    "After all, they already see the" meat "coming to them on their own, and smell it ..." - you can't say better about Ukraine going to the EU
  4. GELEZNII_KAPUT
    GELEZNII_KAPUT 13 November 2013 09: 06
    +7
    Yanukovych began to press large Ukrainian business, they will bury him if he does not heed.
    1. domokl
      domokl 13 November 2013 09: 16
      +4
      Quote: GELEZNII_KAPUT
      Yanukovych large Ukrainian business began to press

      I think not Yanukovych, but Putin all the same. Slightly showed the reconciliation to the sixth put to him. And this is only the beginning. Then it will be even tougher. TS will simply be forced to defend its market and its enterprises ... It seems to me that the outcome of large business is now ahead to Russia...
      1. GELEZNII_KAPUT
        GELEZNII_KAPUT 13 November 2013 09: 23
        +2
        Quote: domokl
        I think not Yanukovych, but Putin all the same. Slightly showed the reconciliation to the sixth put to him. And this is only the beginning. Then it will be even tougher. TS will simply be forced to defend its market and its enterprises ... It seems to me that the outcome of large business is now ahead to Russia...

        So I’m talking about this, Putin showed them where the vice is, and they pressed Yanukovych’s eggs with them and are interested in the red ones, or the white ones! laughing
  5. makarov
    makarov 13 November 2013 09: 08
    18
    Let the Russian society be convinced with its own eyes what was said earlier about this "fruit". And then some doubted, thought that he was pro-Russian, but he only worries about his money and power.
  6. borisjdin1957
    borisjdin1957 13 November 2013 09: 08
    +2
    from the Don.
    It’s not in vain that Yanuk is encrypted! He took everything upon himself like a camel. If only he wouldn’t fall 4 bones halfway. We still have to live up to 26!
  7. domokl
    domokl 13 November 2013 09: 09
    +6
    The thing is, as usual, in cunning ... From a big mind, Yanukovych still hopes for concessions. But, alas, this will not happen anymore. Putin also has run out of patience.
    So the Ukrainian president has no choice but to go to the EU, and then, having fulfilled the requirements for Tymoshenko’s release, packing his bags ...
    1. Captain Vrungel
      Captain Vrungel 13 November 2013 10: 09
      +3
      Today is "X-day" for Ukraine. What makes you sick. Either knock at the EU, or complete surrender to Putin. EU-unlikely. The heads of many states realized that as a politician Yanukovych was zero. Just a stupid, pompous turkey with ambition, without honor and conscience, deceitful and mean, cowardly and greedy. For his shyness, the EU does not shine for Ukraine.
      Why did you frequent Putin? It's simple. Just V.V. reminded the hat thief that the KGB archives are intact and there is a lot of "interesting" material on "Chivokun". I am sure that Yanukovych's surrender will take place without any conditions. The behavior of both the coalition and the opposition says one thing. As Kravchuk put it, "We sailed, sailed, and drowned on the shore." You can forget about the EU, we are outcasts. Russia will accept only on terms of complete surrender. Only federalization will save Ukraine. In Russian, disintegration into several appanage principalities. There is no other way. The West does not want to join the Customs Union. The east hangs between the CU and the EU.
      1. Egoza
        Egoza 13 November 2013 10: 40
        +7
        Quote: Captain Vrungel
        Only federalization will save Ukraine.

        Do not! We need a whole Ukraine, but some individuals, whom our grandfathers did not have time to "educate" after the Second World War, just cuddle well together with their "fiery descendants."
        1. domokl
          domokl 13 November 2013 10: 59
          +3
          I welcome Elena! I completely agree with you. But the objective facts are still on the side of Yuri ... Indeed, the west and east of Ukraine are oriented diametrically opposite. That is. realistically, a tear inside Ukrainian society just pushes the country to collapse.
        2. atos_kin
          atos_kin 13 November 2013 13: 34
          +3
          Without federalization, Ukraine is a tryndet. It is necessary to crush the "fiery descendants" economically, if the government cannot (does not want) to press them ideologically (physically).
      2. domokl
        domokl 13 November 2013 10: 52
        +1
        Quote: Captain Vrungel
        Only federalization will save Ukraine.

        I would not want this country to become like Yugoslavia. The Ukraine, in the form in which it is now, is much more stable ... Just because while the mess from the center reaches the outskirts, the center is already a new mess. And for 20 years of such mess, the outskirts are already accustomed not to respond to the Kiev kooky ...
        And then ... Yuri, you must admit that time is already lost. We got a generation of those who are alien to our Soviet feelings. They are already Russian or Ukrainian ...
        I have the only, albeit unconfirmed thought, the Document, with all promises, will not be signed by Germany. The Germans are not inclined to feed another extra mouth. Yes, it is so huge. And there is nobody else to do it in the EU ...
        1. Captain Vrungel
          Captain Vrungel 13 November 2013 12: 15
          +4
          7 states are against signing. I agree with you, the main trump card is in the hands of Angela Merkel. The EU is under a big question, but a new generation of young people, born in a territory of general plunder and humiliation of the people. to live according to concepts, and not according to the laws, to go into slavery to tycoons with a "black salary" without a job, without rights and protection. Main jobs, salesman and builder. The position of Russia and Kazakhstan is no better. The same problems (the center does not count). Therefore, young people want to get away from this mess and injustice. For them, this is Europe.
          The oligarchs in Europe do nothing. Their business does not channel there. And Families, children have been studying in Europe for a long time, booming on their own real estate. Daddy's airplane is in constant readiness and at the first rustle of a gambel, it will wash off to its capitals.
          The latest poll showed that over 60% of the population is behind the EU, even in the east. Youth - more than 70%. Political scientists, analyze why and what to do? The only thing that the people understand is that nothing depends on them. This is how the power vertical and the opposition, far from the people, were built (the same crooks, but far from the trough). As the classics of revolutions say, an opposition without a people is just "zilch". The people understand that in this nativity scene, the coalition-opposition, they only need to push some and push others, who will immediately forget about them and transfer them to the category of "kazlov" and "biomass" type. But one thing is clear. The Ukrainian land will not become scarce from Mazepa.
          1. Botanologist
            Botanologist 13 November 2013 22: 04
            +1
            Quote: Captain Vrungel
            The latest survey showed that more than 60% of the population is for the EU, even in the east. Youth - over 70%.


            Is it possible to present the questionnaire and statistics? And then I have slightly different survey data.
            1. zmey_gadukin
              zmey_gadukin 14 November 2013 00: 19
              +3
              Quote: Botanologist
              Is it possible to present the questionnaire and statistics? And then I have slightly different survey data.

              Come, ask who's stopping?
              You will see.
  8. Valery Neonov
    Valery Neonov 13 November 2013 09: 11
    0
    In general, "a cowardly gray bunny" rode to Russia with the hope of help from Russia and enlist support ... if something does not work out in the gees. Otherwise, no ... winked
  9. Baton
    Baton 13 November 2013 09: 13
    +2
    It was he who went to discuss the possibility of granting him political asylum ... You never know what could happen.
    1. vadson
      vadson 13 November 2013 10: 30
      0
      Well, and we need it, do you want to cut the forest under the Magadan? so he does not want. and Putin doesn’t take anyone under the preloin, his people don’t support him, but for the almighty this is one of the main criteria
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 13 November 2013 10: 52
        -1
        Quote: vadson
        Well, and we need it, do you want to cut the forest under the Magadan?

        Well, let the man remember his youth.
  10. AVV
    AVV 13 November 2013 09: 23
    +4
    Until Yanukovych feels the whole delirium of his event in his own skin, he will bend his policy not looking not at his party members, nor at his people, who voted for him, but he betrayed him, nothing good shines for Ukraine !!!
    1. Warrawar
      Warrawar 13 November 2013 09: 45
      +6
      Quote: AVV
      Until Yanukovych feels the whole delirium of his event in his own skin, he will bend his policy not looking not at his party members, nor at his people, who voted for him, but he betrayed him, nothing good shines for Ukraine !!!

      The policy that Ukraine is pursuing is not the policy of Yanukovych personally. Yanukovych himself is a puppet and fulfills someone’s will.
      1. makarov
        makarov 13 November 2013 17: 37
        +2
        The policy that Ukraine is pursuing is not the policy of Yanukovych personally. Yanukovych himself is a puppet and fulfills someone’s will.

        Respected! Yes, stop you star in shoes to bast shoes ...
        There, in frostbitten eyes, there are only dollars and glow in the absence of pupils.
  11. dobrik10
    dobrik10 13 November 2013 09: 24
    0
    Go dear bears "tie lover"
    but he even knew how to yap and this one was quiet.
    The result is one, people do not have patience.
  12. Begemot
    Begemot 13 November 2013 09: 28
    +3
    In politics, prostitution allows "a little" to earn, but never allowed to do good deeds, Yanukovych will go down in history as a prostitute, although he seems to care little about it.
    It remains to sympathize with the population of Ukraine.
  13. morpogr
    morpogr 13 November 2013 09: 46
    +4
    This trip is like agony. Inside the country it’s getting worse, forecasts for the future are even darker than with the EU without that. I have driven myself into a corner. Either the country will absorb the EU with its production, destroying the Ukrainian as well as agriculture or the country will be suspended by loans and borrowed bondage. There are a lot of examples in Europe (Bulgaria, Greece, Cyprus, Iceland and the endangered balts).
    1. Canep
      Canep 13 November 2013 09: 54
      +1
      Only citizens of these
      Quote: morpogr
      (Bulgaria, Greece, Cyprus, Iceland and the endangered balts).
      can seek work in the EU, and no one is waiting for Ukrainians there.
    2. morpex
      morpex 13 November 2013 14: 39
      +2
      Quote: morpogr
      There are a lot of examples in Europe (Bulgaria, Greece, Cyprus, Iceland and the endangered balts).

      Nothing personal. Just tell me, we and you, live better than the citizens of the countries you listed above?
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  15. Egoza
    Egoza 13 November 2013 09: 59
    +4
    The author is absolutely right, noting that big business has already begun to resent the state of affairs. I will add only more specifics
    “In connection with the suspension by the Russian Federation of certificates for the supply of transport engineering products, such enterprises as Azovmash, Stakhanov Car-Building Plant, Dneprovagonmash, Kryukov Car-Building Plant are stopping. Similar problems arose in the confectionery industry. Due to the negative external environment, the chemical industry enterprises stopped. A very serious situation in connection with the lack of sales markets has developed in the sectors of the aircraft and automotive industries. In general, the decline in production in engineering in January-September of this year amounted to 13,6%, in the chemical industry - 19,6%. In the group of non-food products in the domestic market of Ukraine, the share of imported products is 57-60%, ”Kinakh’s letter to the President says.
    Source: http://polemika.com.ua/news-131001.html#title

    On the other hand,
    Minister of Justice Yelena Lukash notes that the draft Association Agreement with the European Union does not contain any provisions restricting the right of Ukraine to participate in other interstate associations.

    Those. The EU does not mind if Ukraine joins the CU. The question is, is there a need for such a "miracle" in the vehicle through which Europe will stretch its grabbing brines.
    And finally, very correctly noticed
    People’s deputy Nikolai Tomenko drew attention to the fact that recently the line of information messages from the authorities has changed radically: the President is for the European choice, and the Party of Regions is against it.
    Today, many deputies, especially those who are even afraid to debate with Viktor Yanukovych, comment on the situation as follows that the European choice is economically unjustified, disadvantageous, unsightly and not supported by voters of the Party of Regions. Source: http://polemika.com.ua /news-130966.html

    Those. Yanukovych is “FOR”, he is “white and fluffy” in front of Europe, however, you see, we have democracy, and the deputies are against it!
    And finally, the hysterical cries of the opposition cannot help but make laugh
    The leader of the Batkivshchyna faction, Arseniy Yatsenyuk, appealed to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs for clarification regarding the alleged next visit of President Viktor Yanukovych to Russia. The politician announced this on Monday. "I have just turned to the Foreign Ministry with a demand to inform that the head of the Ukrainian state is already doing the second time in Russia. If we are talking about secret negotiations with the President of another state, then this is a direct basis for the impeachment of such a President, because then we are talking about high treason." , - he said.
    Source: http://polemika.com.ua/news-130961.html
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  17. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 13 November 2013 09: 59
    +8
    So it turns out that Ukraine has some "trump cards" against Russia? How does Russia depend on Ukraine? Well, we lost Ukraine, we were unable to keep or outbid, but this is not fatal. How can Ukraine "put pressure" on Russia? By supplying fat? Sevastopol? So we will never get out of there and no Ukraine is a decree for us here. Think for yourself how long the leader of the country who gave up the object for which so many Russians died over 200 years will last?
  18. cocktail46
    cocktail46 13 November 2013 10: 00
    +1
    Declassified EU and US plan to capture Ukraine
  19. Egoza
    Egoza 13 November 2013 10: 00
    +8
    As for Yulia, a group was supposed to meet yesterday to work out the final law, but they quarreled and dispersed. the fact is that the opposition presented a law not on treatment abroad, but in fact on "parole", which, naturally, does not suit the PR. Gadot noted that the Poles slipped the law on the treatment of prisoners abroad, they have such a law, but at the same time they modestly kept silent that among those who used this law, 600 (!!!) are already wanted. Shl. Today, an extraordinary meeting of the Verkhovna Rada is to be called on these laws, it will be necessary to see, I am sure that the circus will be free! laughing
    But no one will wait until the end of November. Already on the 14th, Koks-Kwasniewski must report on their "mission", and the 18th "presidium" of the EP will give an answer "yes" or "no", the summit will be only a formality. to the military base "to meet with GDP. hi
  20. ed65b
    ed65b 13 November 2013 10: 06
    14
    I don’t understand one thing, the Americans have a base in Cuba. despite the enmity and it seems that they are not going to leave it, England has bases in Cyprus and they are not going to leave them either. declared overseas territories and that's it. why Sevastopol will not declare an "overseas territory" and sit there, not paying attention to the cries of the self-appointed people. Well, they won't start fighting with us, will they?
    1. Ihrek
      Ihrek 13 November 2013 10: 43
      +3
      They won’t fight, but how much stench will be. But Ukraine will still be in the CU, such a stunning. In my opinion, Yanukovych is simply stuffing his own price. He is not a suicide. It just wants a privileged status as part of the TS, which cannot be allowed in any way.
      1. ed65b
        ed65b 13 November 2013 10: 56
        +4
        Quote: Jamal
        They won’t fight, but how much stench will be. But Ukraine will still be in the CU, such a stunning. In my opinion, Yanukovych is simply stuffing his own price. He is not a suicide. It just wants a privileged status as part of the TS, which cannot be allowed in any way.

        Yes, there is such a feeling, the last feint with his ears, Putin will buy it with giblets. Comfort your pride. Elder Nazarbayev needs to speak, otherwise they will do business.
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    3. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 13 November 2013 10: 57
      +4
      Quote: ed65b
      ... why won't Sevastopol declare it an "overseas territory" and sit there ignoring the cries of the self-styled

      Because you need to return the whole Crimea, and not just Sevastopol
      1. Orik
        Orik 13 November 2013 12: 40
        +2
        All of Ukraine, well, with the exception of a few areas, they are definitely not digestible.
      2. morpex
        morpex 13 November 2013 14: 44
        +1
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Because you need to return the whole Crimea, and not just Sevastopol

        Sasha! This is not the first time I have heard this thought from you. Do you personally apply for a piece of the South Coast? Do not share! They shared everything there a long time ago. By the way, your oligarchs got more. Logically, Crimea is already Russian (or Jewish, who is there in power and with money?).
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 13 November 2013 17: 24
          +3
          Quote: morpex
          Are you claiming personally to some piece of the South Coast?

          Yes, where are we poor and the local land prices. I am so sorry for the state.
      3. zmey_gadukin
        zmey_gadukin 14 November 2013 00: 22
        +1
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Because you need to return the whole Crimea, and not just Sevastopol

        don't choke? Look Schaub China, your Far East didn’t earn a fortune))) the conqueror was found
  21. m_o_r_o
    m_o_r_o 13 November 2013 10: 30
    +7
    In Ukraine, you don’t need to listen to anyone - everyone will report to the State Department
  22. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 13 November 2013 10: 47
    +2
    it’s already impossible to betray easily and joyfully.
    As Leontyev aptly noted in the program "However" about the Ukrainian authorities!
  23. Hleb
    Hleb 13 November 2013 10: 52
    +6
    I stumbled:
    “Kazankovsky settlement head N. Palanich and advise, did not come up with anything better than how to use memorial plates on which the names of the dead soldiers were embossed for the construction of ... paving paths”


    In the urban-type settlement Kazanka in the Nikolaev region, memorial slabs were used on which the names of the dead soldiers were knocked out for the construction of ... a sidewalk.
    Kazankivtsi argue that this path in the wasteland appeared only because Natalya Palanich was so shorter to go home from work through the dry river Visun.
    “This year, residents of the territorial community raised money to reconstruct the memorial complex for soldiers who were liberated and fellow countrymen who died during the Great Patriotic War and located on Peace Street in the center of Kazanka. The memorial slabs removed during the repair work in the council of the council also decided to use it in such a barbaric way, laying the paving path out of them. There was no limit to the indignation of the Kazan citizens, who, lifting one of the plates, saw the names of their relatives who died during the war. After all, it was not just the plates that were trampled into the mud, the sacred memory of the heroes who died during the war was trampled into the mud. Such sacrilege caused a wide resonance. Law enforcement authorities were forced to intervene in the situation, ”the residents of Kazanka said.
    “Regionalka” Natalya Palanich has already got into scandalous chronicles - in the spring of this year she was found guilty of an administrative corruption offense, but for some reason she remained in a leading position. or membership in the Party of Regions?


    http://www.mukola.net/news.php?id=55690

    1. Egoza
      Egoza 13 November 2013 11: 45
      +7
      Quote: Gleb
      “Kazankovsky settlement head N. Palanich and advise, did not come up with anything better than how to use memorial plates on which the names of the dead soldiers were embossed for the construction of ... paving paths”

      This is what!
      Yury Karmazin, a former MP (for some reason not considering himself a former), wrote a bill according to which phrases and calls “For the Motherland!” should be urgently cut out of all Soviet films about the Great Patriotic War. He was inspired by this act ... "rotting propaganda of the party" Homeland ", and the films, as they say," went by steam engine. "
      The strength and depth of insanity is very reminiscent of the 2008 year, when the ex-Minister of Culture and Tourism Vasily Vovkun ordered the removal of Soviet literature "as communist and chauvinistic." And he appointed the most communist writer ... for some reason Bulgakov. Despite the fact that the latter made fun of both white and red alike, however, in particular, for which he suffered from the “orange”! “Damn Ukrainization.” In other words, he was telling the truth: “Your hetman breaks the damn comedy with Ukrainization,” that is what Bulgakov wrote in Turbine Days. For this they began to seize him - just like books were taken from libraries in the times that the master narrated. “In Russia, gentlemen, there are two forces,” said Alexei Turbin, “these are the Bolsheviks and we ... And when we meet, or we bury them, or they us.” “In Russia we are,” said the white officer, mind you, a Kiev resident. But he said “in Russia” and not “in Ukraine”, which from the standpoint of today's professional patriots seems almost a crime
      By the way, how does Karmazin suggest editing films and how to do it technically? He said this in a commentary to the “Third Digital” channel: “... All calls“ For the Motherland! ”Will be“ crammed ”or cut out of films. "Because, - attention! - To promote such propaganda is akin to selling drugs or child pornography. Images of the poster “Motherland is calling” will also be removed from history textbooks, the former people's deputy dreams. He even made an estimate: "about 10 million hryvnias." He doesn’t even feel sorry for the money (however, it’s all the same ours, budget).
      Source: http://polemika.com.ua/article-130885.html#title
  24. Kirzhak
    Kirzhak 13 November 2013 10: 52
    +5
    The most offensive thing is that the industrial regions of Ukraine (the Eastern part) will suffer from this "European integration". And Westerners, who, besides crazy ideas, do not know how to produce anything, will finally console their sick self-esteem.
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  26. slvevg
    slvevg 13 November 2013 11: 10
    +6
    Good day to all!!! No association with the EU will be !!! All Ukrainian media are already preparing the masses of Ukrainian biorobots for this. All the fuss with Europe is just an opportunity to beg for a loan and a gas price. EVERYONE understands that Europe is not able to invest money in the Ukrainian economy; they need a sales market. And besides, after Yanukovych’s failure in the 2015 elections, he will have a place to hide with his family’s capital - the Russians don’t make their own, unlike in Europe. And with Yulia the west is rushing just because this valuable agent has not yet worked out his own, well, at least to put Yanyk and his close ones, well, of course from personal revenge.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 13 November 2013 11: 34
      +3
      Quote: slvevg
      And with Yulia the west is rushing just because this valuable agent has not yet worked out his own, well, at least to put Yanyk and his close ones, well, of course from personal revenge.

      Do not forget that Yulka contributed a LOT of money to the organization of the "International Democratic Party"! With the main "base" in Germany. Who wants to lose such a "sponsor"?
  27. Dejavu
    Dejavu 13 November 2013 11: 36
    +3
    Yanukovych drove himself into a vice and I want to go there, but it’s bad there, but I don’t want to go there, even if it’s good, but still I won’t go. Some strange leader, respecting only his ambitions and interests, spitting on his people and the country, making a fateful step into the obvious abyss. He understands the main thing that he is going into the abyss, but he is rushing anyway, because he can’t turn to Russia and his face will lose. Sorry for the fool.
  28. Mhpv
    Mhpv 13 November 2013 11: 44
    +6
    The power cycle in nature laughing
  29. Stinger
    Stinger 13 November 2013 12: 06
    +1
    Playing the role of a cheeky beggar with a gold tooth is much easier than creating a working environment in your country. If you don't know how, wherever you enter, nothing will change. As the saying goes, "Not the one poor who has little, but the one who wants a lot."
  30. shkil2010
    shkil2010 13 November 2013 12: 06
    +3
    If we win the battle for Ukraine, everything will be fine! True, not immediately!
    1. dag 05.ru
      dag 05.ru 13 November 2013 14: 46
      +4
      The battle is not needed. Ukraine itself must make a choice without any pressure. The main thing is that the leaders in Ukraine are adequate and understand that they are facing a historical choice for decades. And of course, disperse with Russia at this intersection with the historical, spiritual, economic, military-political, etc. points of view is completely absurd. Russia, unlike the EU, will never leave Ukraine in trouble - I think this is understandable. Russia and Ukraine are two trees with one root.
      1. xan
        xan 13 November 2013 19: 19
        +4
        Quote: dag 05.ru
        Russia and Ukraine are two trees with one root.

        we have a politician with a European choice becoming a marginal, such as our belolentochny or LGBT, and another tree has all parties with a European choice.
        Well, what is one root? I am Russian and in a coffin I saw Europeans and Americans with their moralizing and values.
  31. pahom54
    pahom54 13 November 2013 12: 26
    +3
    Sometimes you wonder how the leaders of the countries that hatched from the USSR calculate their policy ...
    Even to me, a “kitchen” politician and analyst, it is quite obvious that with Ukraine's departure to the EU, its industry will collapse in a short time (and who needs it in the EU?). Well, for Russia there will be some difficulties (I repeat - SOME, BUT NOT GLOBAL) ...
    And here is the question: for kera and to whom is it necessary, besides the USA and a shattered Europe? After all, there would be a normal union of two states - the Russian Federation and Ukraine, and together we could solve many problems and confront another, hostile to us (yes, I mean US - this is Russia and Ukraine) world. The ties in the economy and industry are enormous (aviation, shipbuilding, rocket science and much more), but also UNITED possibilities are huge. And it is strange to me that the same Yanukovych does not see this ... Or is he not allowed to see?
    But Russia does not need to speculate and blackmail. Over a centuries-old history, it has been tried more than once to substitute-toss-to-deceive-to cheat and even to win - well, nothing has worked out for anyone.
    Well, it’s necessary to get along somewhere, to reconsider something, well, to take radical and unpopular measures, provoking a boom of indignation (including from us) —but Russia SAMA will solve its problems.
    But Ukraine is unlikely ... The wrong level and the wrong resources. In addition, it does not have that political international weight as Russia does. So the alliance between us is a more profitable way for us - both countries, than the final break. And Ukraine’s entry into the EU means this gap ...
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 13 November 2013 12: 30
      +3
      Quote: pahom54
      And here is the question: for kera and to whom is it necessary, besides the USA and a shattered Europe?

      To the oligarchs who had time to "hurry up"!

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      Metinvest trametal

      Currently, METINVEST TRAMETAL IS THE LEADER IN THE ITALIAN AND EUROPEAN TICKET RENTAL MARKETS.

      The company was founded in 1995 year in Italy. The production site is located in San Giorgio di Nogaro (Udine), the main office is in Genoa.
      Spartan uk

      SPARTAN UK IS THE ONLY MANUFACTURER OF HIGH-QUALITY BOARD RENTAL IN THE UK.

      The company was founded in 2001 in the northeast of England.
  32. Egoza
    Egoza 13 November 2013 12: 31
    +4
    And further...
    “Akhmetov, Firtash, Kolomoisky, Zhevago bought abandoned metallurgical,“ dirty ”enterprises in the European Union during the“ zero ”years, transferred their business to Europe, and equipped their enterprises with the latest equipment there ...
    At the same time, in Ukraine they deliberately got rid of the production of high alloy steels and products with high added value in order to make it easier to import raw ore into Europe ......
    The EU very successfully uses the tariff escalation policy: the more products with high added value are imported into the EU, the higher the import tariff rate. Ukrainian oligarchs easily responded to this policy. And at their own enterprises in Britain, Italy and Hungary, Ukrainian oligarchs create the final product with high added value, and they already sell it there. And this structure leaves no doubt why and who lobbies Ukraine’s orientation towards the EU - these are narrow business interests of six to seven people .... When signing the associative membership of Ukraine in the EU at the Ukrainian mining and metallurgical complex, which is already fully integrated into the European Union , you can put an end to ".....
    “There will be separate productions that will be included in the EES division of labor, hundreds of thousands of workers will be freed. This is a colossal social shock for Donetsk, Dnepropetrovsk, Dneprodzerzhinsk "

    http://www.nr2.ru/crimea/466228.html
  33. avg
    avg 13 November 2013 13: 55
    +3
    Quote: cosmos111
    For the West, Yanukovych is a stranger with a criminal past.

    Yanukovych is afraid not to become a stranger with a criminal future, like Pavel Lazarenko.
  34. shtanko.49
    shtanko.49 13 November 2013 14: 53
    +1
    Quote: morpex
    Quote: xan
    Today's Ukraine can only weaken. But it needs to be strengthened.

    Weak, strong, dead, alive - in any form, Russia needs Russia as air. Without it, Russia will not take place as EMPIRE. And Putin, unlike you, understands this perfectly. And he will put all the methods to use for this. so as not to give Ukraine to the West ...

    Quite right, no matter how trivial it may sound, people are the most expensive. The larger the population of the country, the more independent and politically and economically. Well, and the territory ittttttttttttttttttt.
  35. ATATA
    ATATA 13 November 2013 16: 49
    +5
    2 hours ago news in Ukraine.
    The European Parliament believes that it is too early for Ukraine to join the European Union

    Classics of the genre. Hello Karsu and his Jewish grandmother.
    And let him finally remove the Soviet tank from the avatar.
    Well, not the topic with his ideology.
    The ice has broken, gentlemen of the jury, the ice has broken.
  36. Algor73
    Algor73 13 November 2013 16: 59
    +7
    Yeah, everyone thought at first that Yanukovych was pro-Russian, then pro-Western, but in the end? And he left his grandfather, and he left his grandmother, but who will eat him?
    1. Anatole Klim
      Anatole Klim 13 November 2013 17: 52
      +2
      Quote: Algor73
      who will eat it?

      Yulia Kapitelman-Nrinyan-Grigyants-Grigyan-Timoshenko! phew! while wrote laughing
  37. Ihrek
    Ihrek 13 November 2013 17: 02
    +1
    Along the way, he is on his own, on his own mind.
    1. Apollo
      Apollo 13 November 2013 17: 38
      +4
      Deputy: Putin convinced Yanukovych and Sargsyan to go to the vehicle with the help of the KGB dossier
      KIEV, November 13. Ukrainian President Viktor Yankovych came under pressure from his Russian counterpart Vladimir Putin. This was stated by the deputy from the Ukrainian party "Batkivshchyna" Alexander Briginets.


      “During the last negotiations, Russian President Vladimir Putin sat down at the table, smiled, took out a daddy from the KGB archives from under the table and said to Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych:“ Well, Viktor Fedorovich, will you go to Europe and all of Ukraine will read this daddy? Or Will Ukraine be with the Customs Union? " And a miracle happened - Yanukovych and his party suspended European integration, "he said in an interview with IA REGNUM.

      According to the politician, a similar situation happened with the President of Armenia Serzh Sargsyan, which suddenly abandoned the European integration vector in favor of integration into the Customs Union. "Why did Yanukovych abruptly change his position after meeting with Putin? A few months ago, a similar story happened with the President of Armenia, when he met with Putin and changed his position," Briginets said.

      Earlier, the speaker of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine, Volodymyr Rybak, closed the extraordinary meeting, saying that the three "European integration" issues that were submitted for consideration were not ready. The adoption of all three laws was a tough condition for Brussels to sign the association at the Vilnius summit.
      http://www.rosbalt.ru/ukraina/2013/11/13/1199056.html

      If the info is confirmed from other sources, then everyone can be lured into the vehicle. laughing
  38. tank 34
    tank 34 13 November 2013 17: 51
    0
    Wait and see in two weeks what, how!
  39. Alexander 1958
    Alexander 1958 13 November 2013 18: 41
    +5
    Good afternoon! It would be a pity if they do not sign the Association with Europe. Of course . the first few years will be difficult, but there are also positive aspects. Zapadentsev will find a job in Europe, because work in Ukraine after breaking ties with Russia will be difficult to find. God willing, they will stay there - the air will be cleaner .. And everyone else needs a vaccination against illusions about a European paradise - whatever they say later - in vain we joined the TS, we had to enter Europe.
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    1. vikov
      vikov 13 November 2013 18: 59
      +1
      Do you propose to milk Russia first, and then when will it bend under the weight of problems to move to the EU? actually an option.
      1. Alexander 1958
        Alexander 1958 13 November 2013 19: 05
        +1
        Nah ... It's just the opposite! This EU will milk us
  41. voldmis
    voldmis 13 November 2013 19: 02
    +4
    If they had agreed on something good, then all the media would have trumpeted it. Apparently, the bidding continues ...
  42. Arkan
    Arkan 13 November 2013 20: 37
    +2
    What Yanukovych discussed with GDP is unknown. The main thing is that he would leave Putin even more concerned.
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  44. Vasily Klopkov
    Vasily Klopkov 13 November 2013 20: 56
    +1
    It would probably be very stupid and naive to hope that after the signing of the association with the EU in Ukraine, something will change for the better. Azarov says a fantastic amount is needed to amortize 160 billion euros. He hopes that the EU will get this money for us somewhere. Weakly believe in it. But there is no doubt that the Ukrainian people will pay for everything in full. The Bolsheviks alone oppose this destructive decision. They are the only ones to maintain common sense and this cannot but cause respect. The remaining political forces deliberately push Ukraine to the socio-economic abyss.
  45. IOwTZ
    IOwTZ 13 November 2013 21: 31
    -3
    In my opinion, Fedorovich came to Rasputin to explain himself for the last time - “you either lower the prices of the dirt, etc., or Ukraine will forever go to Europe (you will get ears from a dead donkey). Rasputin understands that if he loses to Ukraine, in the next elections it will be very it will be hard for him (given the problems that exist in Russia, and there are many of them migration, destroyed education, medicine, housing and communal services, in short, a lot). There will be concessions from the Russian population, we will earn less, but pay more. This will not concern the top. you and me for concessions, they would tighten the elections.
    1. yur
      yur 13 November 2013 23: 30
      +2
      Do you seriously think that your Fyodorovich would dare to tell Putin "you" and make some demands ?!
  46. IOwTZ
    IOwTZ 13 November 2013 21: 31
    -1
    In my opinion, Fedorovich came to Rasputin to explain himself for the last time - “you either lower the prices of the dirt, etc., or Ukraine will forever go to Europe (you will get ears from a dead donkey). Rasputin understands that if he loses to Ukraine, in the next elections it will be very it will be hard for him (given the problems that exist in Russia, and there are many of them migration, destroyed education, medicine, housing and communal services, in short, a lot). There will be concessions from the Russian population, we will earn less, but pay more. This will not concern the top. you and me for concessions, they would tighten the elections.
  47. komel
    komel 14 November 2013 00: 41
    +1
    Russia is afraid of the collapse of the European Union, as it is bad for big business, but does not want its further expansion.
  48. asin
    asin 15 November 2013 17: 56
    -2
    You in Russia absolutely do not understand how things really are in our Ukraine. I watch your news daily and there is such nonsense about Ukraine. Although it is clear that this is being done in order to create a certain opinion among the Russians, Putin is advantageous. If you think that I am opposed to Putin, then this is not so. I fully support him on politics in Syria and on the Americans and I think that you will not find a better president in the next 5-10 years. But in relation to Ukraine, he acts like a seasoned imperialist. Well, your Vekselberg came to us in Zaporozhye at the aluminum plant (bought) and closed it, because He has his own production in Russia. That is, Russia does not need an economically strong Ukraine, because then she will be more independent. The association will allow us (backgammon) to quickly throw off the hated criminal freak Yanyk, and Putin can help him stay in power for another five years (to his advantage) and we will have a complete ..ope here. Already - there is no work, gold and foreign exchange reserves are running out, I think that in a year and pensions will cease to pay. We did not have such freak thieves as the Party of Regions. So the guys at this stage are better for the people of the Association than the Customs Union.
    1. Endrew
      Endrew 19 November 2013 15: 55
      0
      I agree with you in everything except "I think that you cannot find a better president" (Putin)
  49. Danil
    Danil 15 November 2013 22: 10
    0
    I fully support the statements of Asin. There is simply no choice, or those that destroyed a small business. It is unfortunate that Putin did not calculate the situation. Well, in any case, if they join the European Union, we’ll go to live in Russia.