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"Unfair and ridiculous forgery"

Who made and distributed forged documents on the financing of the Bolsheviks by the Germans


November 7 marks 96 years since the October Revolution. All this time (plus a few more months) there is a steady myth about the financing of the Bolsheviks by the Germans. The nature of this error is understandable - especially today, during the second “stagnation”, when not only citizens interested in politics, but also a significant part of the authorities cannot understand how something can happen in Russia according to the will of the people. For any action of a “politicized group of persons”, evil intentions of the West, masons, Jewish bankers, secret world government are visible (this list is endless).

Small but fighting party

By the beginning of the October Revolution, the number of members of the Bolshevik Party was about 80 thousand people, whereas the Cadets had 90 thousand, the Mensheviks had 150 thousand, the Social Revolutionaries had about 700 thousand members. These figures served as an additional argument for those who were serious about the "conspiracy theory": it consisted in the fact that the relatively small Bolshevik party, which also did not have wide popular support (22% in the Constituent Assembly elections against 54% among the SRs ), could not make a revolution on its own.

There was a second reason to bestow demonic forces on the Bolsheviks. With all the relative small numbers and low popularity, the Bolsheviks were the most energetic political group in 1917, which did not accept any compromises. In the summer of 1917, only they defended two ideas - the most popular among the population and the most unpopular among the government (the Mensheviks, the Social Revolutionaries and the Cadets) - about earth and peace. The implementation of these two main popular requests, as other political forces of that time believed (and история proved them right), inevitably had to lead to confusion, separatism and the boycott of Russia by the Entente. Therefore, the Provisional Government decided to stop the Bolsheviks at any cost.

The Provisional Government was democratic, and in order to neutralize the Bolsheviks in June-July 1917, it took measures that today would call PR: this is how information came about the financing of the RSDLP (b) by the German General Staff (but several Bolsheviks accused of treason, for example Trotsky , still imprisoned for a short time).

The forgery was sewn with white threads, but nonetheless the Bolshevik rivals in the socialist movement (the Social Revolutionaries and Mensheviks), and later the whites and counter-revolutionaries of all stripes, seized on it. Moreover, the “documents” on the financing of the Bolsheviks by the Germans are still taken seriously by a part of politicized Russians, by official agitprop (from television preachers to pop historians) and even by high-ranking bureaucrats. "Russian Planet" decided to recall how this falsification appeared.

"Compromising" created on the same typewriter

The famous English intelligence officer George Hill in his autobiographical book “My Spying Life” tells who made fake documents about the financing of the Bolsheviks by the Germans. Hill spent almost two years in revolutionary Russia, beginning in the summer of 1917. He was an ardent anti-communist and participated in several conspiracies against Soviet power. So there is no reason to suspect Hill of sympathizing with the Bolsheviks.

The initiator of the legend that the Bolsheviks, in particular Lenin, were agents of Germany, became Minister of Arms of France Albert Thome, and the developer and performer - the captain of French intelligence, Pierre Laurent. It was he who advocated in the summer of 1917 the idea of ​​the use by the Germans of the Bolsheviks and Lenin personally as "paid German agents." Boris Nikitin, the counterintelligence chief of the Provisional Government, helped him in disseminating this information.

In 1918, in Petrograd Hill, he witnessed the acquisition by one of the agents of British intelligence of the SIS a document allegedly confirming that Lenin and other Soviet leaders belonged to espionage in favor of Germany. Hill himself recalls: “Lenin and Trotsky were accused of being German spies. Indeed, it was very strange that Russia was waging war with the Germans, and Lenin and thirty other Communists were given the opportunity to drive German territory in a sealed train, and he arrived safely at the Finland Station. When I was in Petrograd, our worker approached me and said that he had bought for 15 thousands of pounds (150 thousands of rubles in gold) a document that indicates and confirms that Lenin and Trotsky are German spies.


Fragment of "Sisson's documents".


The document was so plausible that it left no doubt that they were guilty. Then he received several more documents, and nowhere was there any mistake. But once I took a magnifying glass and found that everywhere in these different documents, the Russian letter "e" is a bit not written. I immediately stated that it was a fake. Found a man who fabricated these documents, and during interrogation, he confessed to their forgery.

Then our employee from SIS said that he did not want the British treasury to suffer because of this error, and we sold these documents to the Americans for 25 thousand pounds sterling. The Americans distributed them in the Kolchak and Denikin armies. ”

The fake received in the historical literature the name "documents of Sisson" (after the name of the American publisher Edgar Sisson). In Russia, it is still customary to refer to the multi-volume affairs of the Kerensky government and to the special commission created by it, which allegedly established the fact of the participation of "German gold" in the Russian revolution.

This commission was really created, and it established some facts. It turned out that the German General Staff did not give any money to the Russian revolution: the war consumed all the resources of Germany. In fact, the money for the revolution came from France, but not the Bolsheviks, but the Socialist Revolutionary Party, whose members were part of the Kerensky government. Therefore, the investigation was quietly minimized, and the cases themselves were archived.

English scout Hill tells the backstory of the "Sisson Documents". At the end of October 1918, the United States Information Bureau publishes a pamphlet entitled “The German-Bolshevik Conspiracy”. It contained about 70 documents allegedly proving that Lenin and Trotsky were paid agents of the German special services and Walter Nikolai, head of the German military intelligence. True, if the publisher of the brochure knew the structure of the top military administration in Germany, he would not include these documents, sold to the British, and then falling into the hands of Sisson, as clearly false in the book, as Nikolai did not deal with political actions. It was the prerogative of the political department of the General Staff or the Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

Bribing the Bolsheviks is also not proven. In the secret fund of the intelligence service under the High Command of Germany there were only 450 thousands of marks for which intelligence agencies were required to maintain both in the East - against Russia, and in the West - against France, England and Belgium, and later the USA. Who Lenin was was also unclear. “I didn’t know anything about the Bolsheviks then, but I only knew about Lenin that he was a political émigré Ulyanov living in Switzerland,” Nikolai wrote in his memoirs.

Another English intelligence officer, Bruce Lockhart, also talked about forged documents. “For some time they circulated in circles associated with the allied missions in Petrograd. One series of "originals" was acquired by an American agent. A few months later, it was found that these letters, allegedly coming from various places, such as Spa, Berlin and Stockholm, were typed on the same typewriter, ”he recalled.

The appearance of fake were outraged in Germany. 2 April The X-NUMX of the Deutsche Allgemeine Zeitung, on behalf of the General Staff, the informing department of the German Foreign Ministry and the State Bank, stated that the American brochure was “nothing but unfair and ridiculous forgery”.

Minister F. Scheideman, whose last name allegedly signed one document, was enraged: “I declare that this letter is fraudulent from beginning to end; that all the events with which this letter links my name are completely unknown to me. ”

What the "Sisson's documents" are is well understood by the president of Czechoslovakia, Tomas Masaryk. He wrote in his memoirs: “I don’t know how much the Americans, British and French gave for them, but it was immediately obvious to a knowledgeable person that our friends bought a fake: all the documents that had to be sent from different states were written on one typewriter ... "

Was the leader of the Social Revolutionaries "German spy"

One of the versions why the Socialist-Revolutionary and Menshevik government of Kerensky in the summer of 1917 produced and began to actively spread anti-Bolshevik falsification was the involvement of the Socialist-Revolutionaries themselves in German opposition funding. In this way, the SRs wanted to avert suspicion from themselves.

At the beginning of the 1920-ies a lot was said about the connection of the Social Revolutionaries with the German General Staff. First of all, it was about one of the leaders of the Social Revolutionaries, Viktor Chernov (he was the first and last chairman of the Constituent Assembly). The investigation of this case involved the famous counterintelligence party Social Revolutionaries Vladimir Burtsev. Mikhail Pervukhin, also an SR, a political emigrant who lived in Italy (by the middle of the 1920 on the basis of anti-communism, he became a staunch fascist, the author of the “Russian Fascist Manifesto”) brought him on this subject.

In February, 1921, Mikhail Pervukhin, wrote from Rome to Vladimir Burtsev:

“Apparently, you are standing on the threshold to opening the second Azephic region, only it will bear the name of Chernivshchyna. This is a very serious matter. So I consider it my duty to tell you what I know.

In 1916, in Rome, agents of the Italian political police stubbornly circled around me, trying to quietly elicit information about the most prominent representatives of political emigration. The game was rough, I was on my guard, and the gentlemen did not have to use it from me. But even then I was struck by the fact that the people obviously sent by the police reduced all these conversations to two persons: a certain Ravenhof, whom the Russian colony considered to be a “security guard” and who was arrested in Paris on suspicion of espionage in favor of Germany, and about Victor Chernov.

Viktor Chernov in 1917 year

From the slips of Italians-journalists, if they are not members of the police, but still hobnobbing with her, I was convinced that since the spring of 1915, the Italians had the conviction that Chernov was an agent of Germany. Behind him was installed the most vigilant surveillance, and not as a Russian revolutionary, but as a German agent. When Chernov from the Riviera moved to Switzerland, where he engaged in defeatist propaganda, Italian agents followed him there in order to “light up” those who had come in contact with him and then made his way to Italy.

It was enough to be considered Chernov's acquaintance to fall under suspicion as a German spy. Because of his kinship with Chernov, an honest man, a young medic Alexander Filipchenko, who lived in Rome, came under this grave suspicion; and the police followed his every move.

It’s not for me to judge how justified these Italian suspicions are. But they existed, and even more - it is not about “suspicions”, but about “certainty”. ”

However, in this troubled time, all the political forces of Russia did not shun foreign aid. As EK Breshko-Breshkovskaya, one of the leaders of the Social Revolutionary Party, admitted in December 1917, financial investments from the USA into the party of Social Revolutionaries amounted to about $ 2 million. This assistance was rendered in the hope that the Social Revolutionaries launched large-scale anti-Bolshevik agitation. For German money in 1917 — 1918 and for English in 1919 — 1921, the Georgian Mensheviks lived. In the Civil War, the White army was openly funded by the Entente. It is possible that some foreign forces were also engaged in fueling the Bolsheviks, but the documents that cite this are a crude forgery.
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  1. 505506
    505506 13 November 2013 09: 06
    14
    What is the difference when you make a revolution whose money to use to achieve the goal? Moreover, in this vent all Europe suffered, and the whole imperial system practically collapsed. Here, rather, Lenin forced Germany to work in his own interests, so much so that the Germans thought that he had them on a salary (provided that there really was German money, and if there was none, then there was nothing to talk about).
    And I imagine what kind of seething will begin now ....
    1. 123dv
      123dv 13 November 2013 11: 18
      18
      Yes, after only a few months, the same revolution took place in Germany itself!
      And who, excuse me, financed the revolution for themselves?
      ............................
      A more interesting moment is the February revolution, funded by the Entente - a typical color revolution with the collapse of all the attributes of the state, the abdication of the king and the onset of chaos. The army left its positions on the German front with regiments and divisions, the officers simply destroyed, those citizens who were richer left the country with capital ....
    2. avt
      avt 13 November 2013 13: 47
      +4
      Quote: 505506
      What is the difference when you make a revolution whose money to use to achieve the goal?

      Of course . For the revolutionary, these intellectual quests do not matter. The moral is only what serves the cause of their idea. Of course, they took it, they took it from the Bund to organize a party and congress, they took it from the Japanese to buy weapons for the revolution of 1905, they also took it from relatives — Trotsky from the uncle of the banker Zhivotovsky. Well, our fools, merchants like Morozov threw some money for the revolution - they paid for rope and soap for their class. And they didn’t shun robbing - everything that’s on the matter of revolution is moral. Well, the secret services tried to make some money, they also tried to make their own game, but revolutionaries often threw them changing the rules of the game.
    3. Karlsonn
      Karlsonn 13 November 2013 15: 39
      +1
      Quote: 505506
      . Here, rather, Lenin forced Germany to work in his own interests, so much so that the Germans thought that he had them on a salary (provided that there really was German money, and if there was none, then there was nothing to talk about).
      And I imagine what kind of seething will begin now ....


      What kind of bustle here if, apart from rumors, fantasies and versions, fans of German money have nothing? request

      By the way, I also have a version of the reasons for the revolution repeat

      clickable.
      1. FATEMOGAN
        FATEMOGAN 13 November 2013 18: 51
        -1
        Quote: Karlsonn
        What kind of bustle here if, apart from rumors, fantasies and versions, fans of German money have nothing?


        Germany was the main transit country for the October coup, which came mainly from America from Jewish bankers, ciphers, morgan and hedgehogs with them.
        More details from 8 minutes, and so I advise you to watch all the series, including about your cats with pace.

        1. Karlsonn
          Karlsonn 13 November 2013 20: 45
          +1
          Quote: FATEMOGAN
          Germany was the main transit country for the October coup, which came mainly from America from Jewish bankers, ciphers, morgan and hedgehogs with them.


          Where is the proof?
          I have these versions why this and that happened for a small gesheft I can come up with bundles, and for a gesheft I’m making more films much better than you suggested me, will you believe me? hi
    4. Yars
      Yars 13 November 2013 15: 39
      +5
      Tell me who would benefit from the destruction of the Orthodox Church? After all, the Orthodox Church has always rallied the Slavs among themselves! (After the collapse of the USSR, when the Church began to revive, the Orthodox Church immediately began to prick from the outside onto NOT traditional churches, to this day!
      Who would benefit from the Slavs killing each other during the revolution?
      Who would benefit from sharing the great Russian - Slavic people into (Russians, Belarusians and Ukrainians), because it is for this that the West makes us feel the fraternal peoples with the help of the media under their control! At the same time, from the single Russian language of the times of the Russian Empire (Kievan Rus), the new Russian language (current), Ukrainian and Belarusian, was made.
      The plot against us has been going on for centuries, we are slowly and surely split up and then vented against each other, in all spheres, and unfortunately very few people understand this. Most people are kept on custom-made articles that piss us off, not thinking who owns the media.
      After all, in fact, all the revolutions of the last centuries have the same customer authors.
      1. Karlsonn
        Karlsonn 13 November 2013 20: 53
        +2
        Quote: YARS
        To whom it was profitable to share the great Russian - Slavic people


        It is IMPOSSIBLE to answer the question whether the money was based on who was profitable!
        It was easier to find who was not profitable. Judge for yourself who was profitable:
        - Japan
        - Germany
        - Turkey
        - France,
        - England,
        - USA
        - Masons,
        - aliens and so on ...
    5. Comrade1945
      Comrade1945 16 November 2013 21: 23
      +1
      "Revolutions are not made with white gloves"
      Everyone knows who said it.
  2. makarov
    makarov 13 November 2013 09: 35
    +5
    For me personally, there is no doubt the fact of German payments to support party movements. So, as in the Russo-Japanese War, Japanese capital went to the development of revolutionary movements.
    Repeatedly faced with information that in World War I, Japan handed over to the Germans lists of its recipients of money to German services.
    1. Doctorleg
      Doctorleg 13 November 2013 10: 02
      +6
      Quote: makarov
      For me personally, there is no doubt the fact of German payments to support party movements. So, as in the Russo-Japanese War, Japanese capital went to the development of revolutionary movements.
      Repeatedly faced with information that in World War I, Japan handed over to the Germans lists of its recipients of money to German services.

      It is somehow doubtful, given that in WWI, Japan advocated the Entente against Germany
      1. makarov
        makarov 13 November 2013 11: 54
        0
        Yes, money doesn’t smell !!
    2. Prometey
      Prometey 13 November 2013 10: 06
      +6
      Quote: makarov
      Japanese capital went to the development of revolutionary movements.

      Japan ended the Russo-Japanese War on the verge of bankruptcy, kneeling and begging handouts from the Angles and Americans. What kind of financing of the revolution are you writing about, where does such nonsense come from?
      1. Nuar
        Nuar 13 November 2013 11: 46
        +2
        Quote: Prometey
        What kind of financing of the revolution are you writing about, where does such nonsense come from?

        The Japanese show it (nonsense) in their films. For example in "BATTLE IN THE SEA JAPAN"
        1. alicante11
          alicante11 13 November 2013 15: 37
          +1
          Well, they sent a couple of ships with weapons. And they would not have enough blood for real financing.
        2. Karlsonn
          Karlsonn 13 November 2013 15: 43
          +2
          Quote: Nuar
          The Japanese show it (nonsense) in their films. For example in "BATTLE IN THE SEA JAPAN"


          Welcome hi .
          The Japanese do not really like us and frankly anti-Russian films I know a pack, we will trust these films? winked
          1. Nuar
            Nuar 13 November 2013 20: 34
            -1
            Quote: Karlsonn
            Welcome hi .Japanese do not really like us and frankly anti-Russian films I know a pack, we will trust these films? winked

            And good day to you. hi

            Actually, I have not seen more than one Japanese movie about Russia / the USSR (including anime), whatever it was anti-Russian.

            And we will believe. This is a fact of their propaganda since at least 1930. And one must know about this fact and one must reckon with it.
            1. Karlsonn
              Karlsonn 13 November 2013 20: 48
              0
              Quote: Nuar
              Actually, I have not seen more than one Japanese movie about Russia / the USSR (including anime), whatever it was anti-Russian.

              And we will believe. This is a fact of their propaganda since at least 1930.


              Strange, that is, we recognize that their films about us are propaganda and lies, but will we believe?

    3. Karlsonn
      Karlsonn 13 November 2013 15: 41
      0
      Quote: makarov
      For me personally, there is no doubt the fact of German payments to support party movements. So, as in the Russo-Japanese War, Japanese capital went to the development of revolutionary movements.


      Facts to the studio! Scans of documents, payment cards, photos and videos of money transfer! bully Otherwise, this is just your opinion comrade.
    4. Yars
      Yars 13 November 2013 16: 00
      +1
      Well, you do not forget what position the United States was before the First World War!
      To whom it was very profitable to push Germany and Russia into the First World War between themselves!
      I think if Russia was not drawn into the First World War, there could be no revolution, because then the first world Russia was a prosperous State and after the war it became a beggar on the basis of this and a Revolution arose.
      If money came from Germany to support Lenin, it doesn’t quite mean what specifically the Germans, for example, NPOs exist today in many states, for it’s not a secret to anyone today that today the presidents of all Western countries are ordinary dolls, and the managers, as always backstage
      1. 505506
        505506 14 November 2013 02: 53
        +1
        This is when Russia was prosperous? If modern textbooks do not suit you, read Klyuchevsky V.O. and maybe you will have a discovery!
  3. Ptah
    Ptah 13 November 2013 09: 37
    +2
    Quote: 505506
    And I imagine what kind of seething will begin now ....

    Nothing will start if you just look carefully at the movie player that took place yesterday on the Russia channel.

    rutv.ru/brand/show/episode/699410

    yere1.ru/blog/smotret_onlajn_tajny_pervoj_mirovoj_druzja_vragi_12_11_2013_rossij
    a_1/2013-11-12-12911


    Everything is very clear there - To whom it was beneficial, to whom not, and who received the benefits.
    After the WWII, the Anglo-Saxons trampled the Russian EMPIRE into the mud, and after the Second World War the GERMAN nation.
    Now the first has turned into a European plant, and the second into a global feeding trough.
    What is not clear?
    1. Revolver
      Revolver 14 November 2013 03: 09
      +1
      Quote: Ptah
      After the WWII, the Anglo-Saxons trampled the Russian EMPIRE into the mud, and after the Second World War the GERMAN nation.
      Now the first has turned into a European plant, and the second into a global feeding trough.

      Is Russia a European plant? Don't tell my slippers. Here people are complaining (and on business) that they have plundered and destroyed the Soviet industrial heritage, and you are a "European plant".
      Is Germany the world feeder? As far as I know, Germany IMPORTS food products and only exports expensive delicacies, well, and beer, if it is also considered a food product.
      And the world feeding trough, oddly enough, is America with Canada. Wheat, soy, corn, meat, poultry are some of America's main export products.
      So, before you post complete nonsense, learn the materiel.
  4. 505506
    505506 13 November 2013 09: 44
    0
    So it began ...
  5. stalkerwalker
    stalkerwalker 13 November 2013 09: 45
    +7
    The conclusion about the involvement of Kaiser Germany in the October 17 coup d'etat suggests itself, since the Germans had the maximum "gesheft" from Russia.
    Russia was not only struck out of the ranks of the winners in the First World War (despite the incalculable losses suffered by the Russian army), but also included in the "outcasts", along with the defeated Germany, with all the ensuing consequences.
    1. Ptah
      Ptah 13 November 2013 10: 00
      -2
      Quote: stalkerwalker
      the Germans had the maximum "gesheft" from Russia.

      Please separate the "GERMAN". Specifically - those who prefer "Tyrolean tunes", from shopkeepers with "Hawai Mogila". Some barely survived after the total plunder after 14 years, while others "listened to an arranged composition called" Showcases Ringing "on November 10, 38th.
    2. nov_tech.vrn
      nov_tech.vrn 13 November 2013 10: 59
      +2
      There was no "gesheft" there, just all the repatriations from Germany were received by the former allies in the Entente, and all the actions listed below were carried out by the same former allies in the Entente, so to speak for the exit and the coalition, in continuation, then we need to remember about the occupation of part of the territory Russia, not only by the Germans, but also by former allies and the support of the enemies of the Bolsheviks, as far as I understand, the economic devastation is largely due to the civil war, those conducting military operations throughout Russia, the destruction of economic facilities and human losses caused both directly by the hostilities, and epidemics caused by the collapse of medicine and terrible unsanitary conditions.
      1. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker 13 November 2013 15: 14
        +7
        Quote: nov_tech.vrn
        There was no "gesheft", just all repatriations from Germany were received by the former allies in the Entente

        Quote: Ptah
        Please separate the "GERMAN". Specifically - those who prefer "Tyrolean tunes", from shopkeepers with "Hawai Mogila".

        Guys ...
        You would all about the loot ...
        Germany liberated troops for battles on the Western Front, occupied Ukraine. The Brest-Litovsk world was a piece of paper for Germany - they did what they wanted.
    3. c3r
      c3r 13 November 2013 15: 57
      0
      The maximum "gesheft" would be in the event that the Germans won the war, otherwise it turns out that the revolution in Russia was sponsored with the last money, and then the troops on the eastern front were also kept when they had to be transferred to the western.
  6. Boris55
    Boris55 13 November 2013 09: 57
    -13 qualifying.
    As one book says, judge them by their deeds.

    And what are their deeds? To say the least - lousy. Has life in Russia become better? I am talking about before the Stalin period, i.e. I mean the Lenin-Trotskyist period of our history. Hardly. Everyone will be able to bring a bunch of facts about the sinking of Russia into even greater poverty, widespread devastation and fratricidal war.

    Whether Lenin worked for the Germans, the British, or he himself, out of thoughtlessness, came to all this - this did not make Russia any easier. Who benefited from all this "mess" is also known.

    The fact that there was a squabble for power among the then opposition - so they are now squabbling. The fact that they are all financed from one trough, what then and what is now - everyone understands. Why did the Bolsheviks win - whoever treats the "young lady" chooses the leader and the most "frostbitten" ones.

    ps
    Lenin’s ambitions to become king of Russia defeated the hosts' program to destroy it.
    Nadezhda Konstantinovna poisoned her life partner for signing the Brest Peace, which put an end to the world revolution.
    1. dmb
      dmb 13 November 2013 11: 11
      +5
      Like this. Some fools are reading books, rummaging in archives, trying to at least somehow argue their conclusions. And what is it for? "Poisoned for signing the Brest Peace." And why not for the NEP or not for Mikolai №2. Immediately I remember the winged military expression: "We have a lot of wonders, each .... - Beethoven."
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 13 November 2013 11: 21
        -4
        Quote: dmb
        Like this. Some fools read books, rummage through archives, try to somehow justify their conclusions

        In the words of Stirlitz, only a lack of information leads to failure.
        (I can’t vouch for accuracy, but I’ve kept my thoughts)

        Are you sure that all archives are open and all documents are available? All "prospectors" are given only the information that is currently beneficial. Do you know that almost all party documents concerning the times of the revolution and after were taken out without hindrance by Trotsky?

        "Beethovens" working with incomplete information and profound conclusions drawn from this differ from impudent liars only in that they are sure of their delusion and do not forget that their "work" is paid by the state.

        Judge them by their deeds!
        1. stalkerwalker
          stalkerwalker 13 November 2013 15: 21
          +3
          Quote: Boris55
          Judge them by their deeds!

          You can add - who benefited from all this "forgery".
          Quid prodest ...
    2. Nagaibak
      Nagaibak 13 November 2013 12: 26
      +7
      Boris55 "Nadezhda Konstantinovna poisoned her life partner for signing the Brest Peace Treaty, which put an end to the world revolution."
      Interesting idea!!! If you are completely serious, then this is sad. After all, this is bullshit. If you will not let go, write ... I will call an ambulance.
      1. dmb
        dmb 13 November 2013 14: 42
        +2
        You see, Andrei, Mayakovsky, "studying literacy from signs", nevertheless, due to his talent, wrote good poetry. Alas, the citizens studying History on the Internet are clearly not the Mayakovskys, and therefore, discussing with them is a thankless task. As evidence of their ignorance, at best, they cite quotations from the "yellow" press, and at worst get off with the phrase: "I think so."
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 13 November 2013 19: 28
          -3
          Quote: dmb
          As evidence .... and at worst they get off with the phrase: "I think so
          You do not like what people think? Who do you think you are?
          1. dmb
            dmb 13 November 2013 19: 41
            +2
            My dear, I think that about the nonsense Andrei is right. If you personify yourself with all the people, then you have a clear delusions of grandeur, and in any normal society you would have long been invited to kind and helpful people in white coats.
            1. Boris55
              Boris55 13 November 2013 20: 53
              0
              Quote: dmb
              If you personify yourself with all the people, then you have a clear megalomania

              Megalomania is yours. I personify myself as a part of the people and try to speak on my own behalf, incl. and the phrase "I think so", not us, but me. You deigned to express your contempt for all who think.

              And learn not only to read, but also to understand what you read.
      2. Boris55
        Boris55 13 November 2013 19: 26
        +1
        Quote: Nagaibak
        Interesting idea!!! If you are completely serious, then this is sad. After all, this is bullshit.

        The "bullshit" outraged you, but the fact that most of the information about those times is hidden from us - you took it silently. agree and nevertheless continue to defend the information planted by someone, stubbornly unwilling to see the consequences of that tragedy, the genocide of the Russian people.

        From the fact that you were taught this at school, college, books you read, written based on partial and biased information - this does not become true. This is just one of the points of view that currently benefits the authorities.

        What can I tell you ... Long live the intellectual zombies!
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  8. Sergey Medvedev
    Sergey Medvedev 13 November 2013 12: 07
    -2
    There are well-known facts: Germany needed to withdraw Russia from the war. She achieved this precisely with the help of Lenin, who signed the Shameful Brest Peace. A piece of paper is a secondary issue, whether they are genuine or false. Let archivists and lawyers deal with these pieces of paper.
    1. Astartes
      Astartes 13 November 2013 12: 56
      11
      Considering that it was generally a shameful war for Russia, when Russian soldiers died for the interests of England and France. The first decrees of the Bolsheviks "on Peace 2 and" On the Land "caused such a stir that the power of the Soviets was established throughout the country in a couple of months, it is not surprising that Russian men did not want to fight, it is not clear why. yourself offended, this is sorry your own business. You, my friend, from behind a computer in the trenches of the First World War, for a week, as a private, after that I would have listened to your speech about the "shameful world."
    2. Ptah
      Ptah 13 November 2013 13: 16
      -1
      Quote: Sergei Medvedev
      Germany needed to withdraw Russia from the war.

      Great! Iron logic. Russia "prevented" the Germans from fighting the Britons, so it must be "withdrawn" by all means. This requires Lenin, who later, through all sorts of "Parvus and Hamers", will merge the gold and foreign exchange reserves of America and England, receive German machine tools, some ships and samples of weapons. And the Germans, as a result of the signed agreements "by right" of the vanquished, will plunge into poverty for two decades. I mean the people, not the Zionist Federation of Germany, which has set itself the goal of assisting in the emigration of German Jews to Palestine.
      as well as an “agreement on the transfer to Eretz-Israel of a part of the property of emigrants”.
  9. faraon
    faraon 13 November 2013 12: 10
    -2
    In the words of Stirlitz, only a lack of information leads to failure.

    The Great October Revolution was conceived by the West. It was no longer the goal to remove Russia from the world stage. For this, all means are good. Russia developed until 1913, reforms carried out by Putilov began to bear fruit, Russia was the largest exporter of grain abroad, the Russian ruble was provided gold. This prevented Western countries, in particular western Europe. In order to somehow reduce the importance of Russia in the international arena, it was drawn into all sorts of wars waged on the territory of the union states that did not bring a penny to the treasury but only one loss. But the economic situation was such that it was not a substantial loss, then the plan for the destruction of Russia arose. The execution of this plan was entrusted to Lenin.

    In pre-revolutionary Russia, all possible party cells began to emerge, aimed at undermining power, up to a change of power. Which happened at the beginning of the February revolution, which undermined the foundations of power, brought chaos to Russian society, then the October revolution, followed by the abdication of the tsar. This was the end of Russia as a state.
    That is, the goal of the West has been achieved.

    This is where the fun begins.
    Where did the money come from for holding this event, and it was large-scale in size. Or, you dear opponents believe that the revolution was made with the money of Mama Lenin, so this money was only enough to rent a modest apartment and go to the cafe in the morning. Money from expropriations (raids) on the banks that Stalin made in his youth. Help for the bourgeoisie, which was radically inclined towards reforms in Russia. Again, no. This is purposeful money allocated by Western Europe to undermine the state’s defense capability, its power on the world stage, with all the ensuing consequences.
    The revolution has happened! Cheers comrades !!!!
    but creditors began to turn to Lenin, the Brest Peace was signed, the expropriation of material values ​​began, the looting of a once powerful state, and there was nothing to rob, and the purposeful export of material values ​​abroad.
    That is why revolutions are conceived and implemented.
    1. Nagaibak
      Nagaibak 13 November 2013 12: 18
      +1
      faraon "Russia developed until 1913, the reforms carried out by Putilov began to bear fruit, Russia was the largest exporter of grain abroad, the Russian ruble was backed by gold."
      Very interesting !!! ESPECIALLY REFORMS Putilov pleased ... do not tell me by chance which reforms specifically? And Shaw for the beast of this Putilov?
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 13 November 2013 12: 31
        -3
        Quote: Nagaibak
        ... Shaw for the beast, this Putilov? ...

        A good technique for avoiding a sore subject, in particular, and translating arrows on individuals ...
        I hope you know this fable.
        ..............
        What butterflies, insects,
        Boogers, flies, cockroaches!
        Some like an emerald, others like coral!
        What tiny cows!
        There is, really, less a pinhead! "
        “Have you seen an elephant?
        I am tea, you thought you met the mountain? "
        "Is he there?" - "There." - "Well, brother, it's to blame:
        I didn’t notice the elephant".
      2. faraon
        faraon 13 November 2013 12: 36
        +3
        Sorry Stolypin reforms
        1. Nagaibak
          Nagaibak 13 November 2013 15: 12
          +1
          faraon "Excuse the Stolypin reforms".
          Simply, after reading your comment I began to think at the same time about that investigator Putilina from the series, Putin and Stolypin at the same time. This was a joke on my part. And the people didn’t taste ... hehe ... he began to engage in discussions about elephants ... fables to recite in front of the monitor hehe ...
          1. faraon
            faraon 13 November 2013 18: 47
            0
            Yes, I just made a mistake. Before that I read about the Putilov factory.
            Sorry for the error.
    2. faraon
      faraon 13 November 2013 12: 30
      +6
      Now, back to the beginning of the reign (1985), the year M.S., Gorbachev.
      All the same plan, the USSR is the largest power with great potential, which influenced the entire world politics and economy, the power with the opinion that was considered, began to give up its positions in eastern Europe, Withdrawal of troops from Germany, Hungary, Poland, Czechoslovakia, replacements without receiving anything, reducing strategic disarmament twice as much as a potential adversary (USA). organized diphtheism, coupon system, money exchange, in general, everything is in accordance with the plan for the revolutionary transformation of Russia.

      EPILOGUE:

      Dear opponents of what, I’m wrong that all these shocks that happened with Russia are not a natural disaster that led to the crisis of the country, this is a purposefully paid sabotage against the power of Russia, Western Europe. And as it will be called the US State Department or the German General Staff, this is not essential.
      The main thing is that everyone who took part in this got their profit and respected their interests in this game.
    3. baltika-18
      baltika-18 13 November 2013 13: 05
      +5
      Quote: faraon
      The Great October Revolution was conceived by the West.

      The February one might have been conceived, such a version goes well, given the mess that started in the country. And if it hadn't been for October Russia, it would have just collapsed. What kind of funding can we talk about if there was direct intervention of the Entente countries and the white movement during the Civil War? received weapons and uniforms from these countries. Where is the logic?
  10. Anatole Klim
    Anatole Klim 13 November 2013 12: 24
    +3
    It is possible that some foreign forces were also engaged in fueling the Bolsheviks, but the documents that lead to prove this are still a crude fake.
    Author Pavel Pryanikov

    Any revolution, what then, what now requires money. What kind of shisha were held congresses of the RSDLP, printed "Iskra", lived professional revolutionaries both in Russia and in the West. Now liberals openly go to the American embassy and it doesn't matter what howl arose about "foreign agents." The author does not deny that the Bolsheviks were fueled by foreign money, there is simply no reliable evidence, perhaps we’ll wait and see.
    1. Astartes
      Astartes 13 November 2013 12: 59
      +2
      Iosif Vissarionovich Dzhugashvili and comrades, had their first imprisonment for coming to banks and taking, without asking money for the revolution. Moreover, all the funds went to support the Revolutionary Movement. It was called "Revolutionary Expropriation"
      1. Anatole Klim
        Anatole Klim 13 November 2013 14: 04
        +1
        Quote: Astartes
        Joseph Vissarionovich Dzhugashvili and comrades, they had their first exits for coming to banks and taking, without asking for money for the revolution.

        Stalin was never arrested for criminal offenses, read official documents, and treat feature films as feature films. Read in the biography of Stalin - the first arrest, prison-link.
        1. Astartes
          Astartes 13 November 2013 14: 09
          +2
          You are right for the expropriation did not sit, as they say brought mnu)) more and more for the policy, but carried out the expropriation. I just cited this example for indicative purposes, the revolutionaries of those years relied on themselves more, they did not expect help from "foreign countries". By the way, this is an indicator of the strength of the spirit of the then revolutionary movement, now they prefer to make "revolutions" with foreign grants.
      2. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker 13 November 2013 15: 24
        +5
        Quote: Astartes
        It was called "Revolutionary Expropriation"

        The Bolsheviks liked this process so much that Bukharchik (the party's favorite!) Threw the cry "Get rich!" Well this is necessary ... The country is in ruins and in graves, and they are still there. This clinic.
        1. Astartes
          Astartes 13 November 2013 16: 03
          +2
          Well, and that much enriched? Bolsheviks ?? or didn’t they raise the country ??
          1. stalkerwalker
            stalkerwalker 13 November 2013 19: 14
            +3
            Quote: Astartes
            Well, and that much enriched? Bolsheviks ?? or didn’t they raise the country ??

            Bukharchik was "enriched" by 9 grams.
            The country was raised by the people. PEOPLE. But no Bolsheviks.
            1. Astartes
              Astartes 13 November 2013 19: 57
              +1
              The people, led by the Bolsheviks, whether you like it or not. It has been accepted that, recently, to separate the achievements of Stalin and the Bolshevik party, but better not do this. Stalin himself never did this, but yes, you are right, "enriched" those who deviated from the ideals of Bolshevism by 9 grams))
              1. stalkerwalker
                stalkerwalker 13 November 2013 20: 41
                +3
                Quote: Astartes
                lately, to separate the achievements of Stalin and the party of the Bolsheviks, but it’s better not to do this. Stalin himself never did this.

                Yes, I have to. Under I. Stalin, the apparatus of governing the country (personnel, so to speak) "changed".
                Quote: Astartes
                The people led by the Bolsheviks, whether you want it or not.

                I would correct - the people forced by the Bolsheviks (and it is with a small letter).
              2. faraon
                faraon 14 November 2013 02: 45
                -1
                The people led by the Bolsheviks, whether you want it or not.

                Rather, to say with the Communist Party of Bolsheviks, the CPSU (b) (remember history (b) is what remains of the Bolshevik party.
                Upon the coming to power of I.V. Stalin, he inherited a destroyed, demoralized, impoverished, illiterate country. Such it was left after death by the leader of the world proletariat V.I. Lenin. (Ulyanov). Everything that could be taken out was taken out. The treasury is empty. Stalin began to understand while he updated all of the Cheka and renamed the NKVD after the GPU. And he began to wool everyone who was engaged in the plunder of Russia with Lenin. He began with the Lenin Guard, which by that time, she had the most hands on the material values ​​of Russia. Then he got to the performers who redistributed these values ​​abroad to Swiss, German, English, and American banks. He returned some of the funds to Russia and some of them disappeared into the unknown. in American banks (Investments) America was able to overcome the crisis in 20 years, remember the auctions of valuables sold in the West. This is one of the reasons for the death of the Lenin Guard, their greed and greed.
                As I wrote above, Stalin went to a country in ruin, but unlike Lenin, the destroyer to the foundation, Stalin was a sovereign, he began to restore the country, he perfectly understood that the Lenin system had to be changed, In that period it was necessary to pull the country out of the hollow, to develop new lands , So he gathered the snickering Bolsheviks, and sympathizing with them in one herd, and showed them what kind of socialism they proposed to the Russian people.
                P.S. This socialism is called Platonovskiy, he was the first to put forward the idea of ​​this new type of slavery. For example, China under the rule of the great helmsman Mao Detsun, from which there were further disagreements with Soviet Russia. Mao introduced the model of Platonic socialism in practice.
            2. Revolver
              Revolver 14 November 2013 03: 50
              0
              Quote: stalkerwalker
              Bukharchik was "enriched" by 9 grams.
              You're not right. 9 grams is a rifle bullet, and in those days they didn’t arrange political solemn executions with the wall and the infantry squad. In the basement from a revolver to the back of the head, and all business. So he enriched a maximum of 7.5 grams - this is if they used standard Nagan. And if TT, then generally 5.5 grams.
              1. stalkerwalker
                stalkerwalker 14 November 2013 16: 36
                +4
                Quote: Nagan
                You're not right. 9 grams is a rifle bullet, and in those days they didn’t arrange political solemn executions with the wall and the infantry squad. In the basement from a revolver to the back of the head, and all business. So he enriched a maximum of 7.5 grams - this is if they used standard Nagan. And if TT, then generally 5.5 grams.

                Come on...
                Figurative expression...
                "Nine grams in your heart, wait, wait ..."
  11. Sugar Honeyovich
    Sugar Honeyovich 13 November 2013 13: 30
    +3
    And did the Germans give a lot of money? If there are many, then where did they get them, if they themselves didn’t even have enough for food? And if a little, then why didn’t they make a revolution in France (there were a lot of them), Italy (also), England, finally?
    1. Nagaibak
      Nagaibak 13 November 2013 15: 38
      +4
      Sakhar Medovich "And if a little, then why didn't they organize a revolution in France (there were many of them), Italy (too), England, finally?"
      They seem to have flashed among themselves in 1918. The German Empire ordered a long life ... a revolution took place among them ... So, it was not up to France with Italy. Anyone who believes that revolutions happen just like that for the same money, forgive me, just a stupid person. Each revolution had prerequisites. They were in Russia at that time. And now they say they say that under the tsar, everyone lived in chocolate.
      1. Sugar Honeyovich
        Sugar Honeyovich 14 November 2013 05: 03
        +2
        So what is it about. It just hurt just the Germans - they put a handful of bills to the first comer - just the revolution. And in 1941-45 the Germans invested in the decomposition of the USSR and forces and means, and most importantly, skills, and the result ...
        And in the spring of 1917. In France, the situation for the social explosion was favorable - army units rebelled.
  12. sergey1972
    sergey1972 13 November 2013 14: 02
    0
    In a word, I do not believe it.
  13. Odysseus
    Odysseus 13 November 2013 14: 55
    +3
    It is not entirely clear what to discuss here, for a reasonable person everything is clear here. The documents about the "espionage" of the Bolsheviks are an obvious fake, but it does not matter.
    The Bolsheviks, in principle, a priori, could not be "German spies" and "traitors" completely regardless of whether they took money from them or not. Since a spy or an agent of influence, this is one who works for the interests of his master, regardless of whether pay him money or not. For example, most of our "liberals" are classical agents of US influence, although they do not get paid a penny. If a person (organization) takes money from anyone, but works for own interests, then he can not be a spy for anyone.
    In the same way, a traitor is someone who formally works within the framework of an idea or organization, but in fact works for something else. The Bolsheviks, in principle, did not support the Russian Empire and the Provisional Government conducting the imperialist war. Accordingly, they can not cheat on them.
    For example, Gorbachev (general secretary of the Communist Party of the Communist Party of the Soviet Socialist Republic) or ministers and generals of the tsarist government (who organized the abdication of Nicholas) are traitors. Lenin and the Bolsheviks do not, again, regardless of whether they take money from the Japanese, Brazilians, or South American Indians.
    1. Black
      Black 13 November 2013 15: 21
      0
      Quote: Odyssey
      The Bolsheviks, in principle, did not support the Russian Empire and the Provisional Government conducting the imperialist war.


      You kazuistvue ... The Bolsheviks are not traitors, for "they did not support RI ...".
      Do you know how much the bastard hides behind "ideas of non-support"?
      Lenin and Co. are subjects of the Ros. Imp. Subversive work for the money of the Kaiser, world Zionism is treason and betrayal.
      The granddaughter of Zemlyachka does not support Putin either. And what? -He can buy orange ribbons with Georgian money ???
      And what kind of "imperialist" war you are talking about. For the Russians, she was great. For Lenin, it is imperialist.
      1. Odysseus
        Odysseus 13 November 2013 17: 37
        +5
        Quote: Chen
        Lenin and Co. are subjects of the Ros. Imp. Subversive work for the money of the Kaiser, world Zionism is treason and betrayal.

        Once again, the Bolsheviks were socialists, part of the international socialist movement, and they were principled opponents of the country of "nobles and mobs" of the Russian Empire. Accordingly, they could only change the ideas of socialism and the socialist state, they could not change anyone else in principle, neither the Russian nor the British Empire, nor the tribal unification Mumba-yumba. It is impossible to betray what you do not serve.
        You are not looking for traitors there. I repeat, the traitors for the empire are its generals and dignitaries who forced Nicholas to sign the renunciation and are actively involved in the liquidation of the monarchy as such.
        Quote: Chen
        The granddaughter of Zemlyachka does not support Putin either. And what? -He can buy orange ribbons with Georgian money ???

        You have some strange fantasies. Who is such a granddaughter of the Countrywoman? What does the individual man Putin have to do with it? What kind of ribbons?
        If you mean the fight against modern oligarchic capitalism in Russia, then, of course, any socialist can take any money for this (ideally, of course, the money should be as "clean" as possible) It is only important that he be a real socialist, that is, fight not for personal interests, and not for the interests of third parties or countries. But this is the problem now.
        Quote: Chen
        And what kind of "imperialist" war you are talking about. For the Russians, she was great. For Lenin, she is imperialist

        It was imperialist in its essence, regardless of personal sympathies and antipathies. It was great for the possessing classes and estates of the empire robbing their people and sending them to this slaughter for their own interests. Well, for workers and peasants rotting in the trenches and dying in the hundreds of thousands She was damned and meaningless.
        The difference is that you are on the side of the exploiters and killers, and I am on the side of the working people.
        1. Black
          Black 13 November 2013 20: 50
          +1
          Quote: Odyssey
          One more time-....

          Well, right, you're like a dumb seventh grader ... repeat


          Quote: Odyssey
          Accordingly, they could only change the ideas of socialism


          "One more time"! smile
          We approach you differently to the main one. You, as you have taught us (I think you are not a 30-year-old youth), are from a class point of view, and then you are absolutely right.
          I do not believe that. rather, he stopped believing in the class approach. History is built on the struggle of ethnic groups, but not classes.
          The October Revolution is not social, it is a bomb under the Great Russian State. And everyone who made this bomb is the enemy of my people. From outside the aggressor, the subject is a traitor and a traitor.
          something like this.
          Well, the essence of the war, respectively, we are looking at from different angles.
          Sincerely.


          Quote: Odyssey
          Imperialist she was inherently


          Quote: Odyssey
          If you mean the struggle against modern oligarchic capitalism in Russia


          Well, this is again from that very basket.
          For you, Grandson is fighting the Oligarchy, and milking me with Russia.
          1. Odysseus
            Odysseus 13 November 2013 23: 25
            -1
            Quote: Chen
            Well, right, you're like a dumb seventh grader.

            Sorry, but you have a strange logic. In your opinion, it turns out that, for example, there is no difference between a Muslim who does not love and fight against Christianity and a Christian who pretended to be a believer in Christ for 20 years, and then renounced him and began to fight against Christianity .And he and the other "traitors and traitors" of Christianity.
            But in my opinion, a Muslim cannot be a traitor to Christianity simply because he is a Muslim, not a Christian. But the renounced Christian is just a traitor. The same logic applies to the Bolsheviks and the Empire, and to any other people.
            Nobody blames the White Guards for the fact that they are traitors to Soviet Russia, although they are not just cooperating, they simply brought invaders from the Entente to Russia.
            Quote: Chen
            The October Revolution is not social, it is a bomb under the Great Russian State.

            But Ros.Imper., The USSR, and the Russian Federation are different There is simply no abstract state in the sky. It is clear that Abramovich and Co. will hate the Bolsheviks and the USSR, just as the Bolsheviks will fight with them. The October Revolution is a bomb under the old bourgeois state, but the foundation is under the new state of social justice. Which, despite the quite class hatred of bourgeois states, very quickly became much stronger economically and militarily than Ros.Imper.
            Quote: Chen
            For you, Grandson is fighting the Oligarchy, and milking me with Russia

            For me, since you do not support the struggle of the Communists against the oligarchy, you mean you support the oligarchy, which is very disappointing, because it thinks only of its own profits, does not at all believe in the prospects of bourgeois Russia, and is completely engaged in the class logic of exporting capital and resources to the center of the capital system , that is, to the West.
    2. faraon
      faraon 14 November 2013 02: 52
      -1
      In principle, the Bolsheviks, a priori, could not be "German spies" and "traitors" completely regardless of whether they took money from them or not.

      A priori, they couldn’t, but the revolution is a rather expensive undertaking, and whether they took money from the German General Staff or England is not important — they didn’t take such a country to overthrow the devastation into the abyss without financial support.
  14. pRofF
    pRofF 13 November 2013 16: 01
    +5
    An ambiguous article. The author sets the goal - to show that Lenin and Co. did not take money from Kaiser. But what is the point of this proof, if all the funds for riots, riots, etc. came from our allies in the Entente - France and England? True, in this case it is necessary to say that the ISI, the foreign intelligence of Great Britain, did not make the main bet on the RSDLP (b). The Bolsheviks were one of MANY radical left-wing parties whom the Britons generously funded. What is the difference, which of the lured parties will rock the situation and ruin the country? That's right, no - just to achieve the goal.
    It is no secret that the first congresses of our homegrown revolutionaries were held not in Berlin or in Paris, but in London.
    The fact that all these comrades were financially dependent on the Britons is also proved by another eloquent fact - at the height of the Russo-Japanese War, when the Yapas were already on their last legs (there was nothing to eat on the islands, and ours just had to play for time, Japan was not ready to a long war!) - Russia had to urgently be persuaded to peace. And strikes began, then - the revolution of 1904. And then - the peace treaty in Portsmouth, where the mediators were England and the USA. And after the conclusion of peace - all the riots quickly faded away - the Britons seriously cut off the financial flow. Why? And the explanation is simple and logical: what have the Angles always feared most of all from their opponents? Fleet. England perceived any powerful fleet of any country as a threat, and the owner country, accordingly, as an enemy. After Tsushima, Russia no longer had a fleet as such. Russia has moved from the category of an "obvious" threat to a "potential" one for the long term. But Germany had a fleet. More precisely, she actively began to create it - the "Tirpitz plan". And that is why Russia was still needed by England on the continent - as a counterweight to the legions of the Kaiser. What happened next, I think everyone knows: 1914, 1917 - in Russia, 1918 - in Germany ... The Kaisermarine fleet, which the Britons almost managed to capture. And our Baltic Fleet, which tried to destroy Trotsky - but Shchastny saved the fleet. For which he was shot. The handwriting, as you can see, is the same. And whose ears are also clearly sticking out ...
  15. Internal combustion engine
    Internal combustion engine 13 November 2013 16: 50
    +1
    The February revolution was largely catalyzed by the Entente. That is, those who accused the Bolsheviks of German money themselves received money for the overthrow of Nicholas II from England, France and the United States.
    1. Ptah
      Ptah 13 November 2013 19: 05
      +1
      Oh, God .......
      In fact - I agree, but-
      Quote: ICE
      catalyzed Entente.

      Not "started", "started", "provoked", "initiated", finally, namely "catalyzed"? No.
      "The Russian language is small and weak" (c) ..... request

      "The Russian language in skillful hands and in experienced lips is beautiful, melodious, expressive, flexible, obedient, dexterous and capacious." -
      /AND. Kuprin /
      "To use a foreign word when there is a Russian word equivalent to it is to offend both common sense and common taste." -
      /AT. Belinsky /
  16. Algor73
    Algor73 13 November 2013 17: 18
    +1
    But for me, all the same, the revolution was the Great October Socialist. I don’t care what they call it now (coup, coup, etc.), and it doesn’t matter to me whose money it is. The main thing is that it enabled ordinary people to feel like a Man. Thanks to her, in our history there were such personalities as Korolev, Gagarin, Chkalov, Stakhanov and many others. Thanks to her, I can say that I really had a happy and carefree childhood, and my parents did not live today, but walked confidently into tomorrow ... Now, alas, some memories ...
    1. faraon
      faraon 14 November 2013 03: 04
      -1
      But for me, all the same, the revolution was the Great October Socialist. I don’t care what they call it now (coup, coup, etc.), and it doesn’t matter to me whose money it is. The main thing is that it enabled ordinary people to feel like a Man

      I completely agree with you, we are another generation who grew up on different values, we are Soviet. We are the product of the policy pursued by the party, and the most interesting thing is that we did not think about the black page of history.
      And history has the property of repeating itself, and so it turned out that, out of ignorance, we again found ourselves at one moment naked, barefoot and poor. And our children no longer have a carefree childhood, and our parents suffered the most, from whom they took away the last one.
      1. Alexey
        Alexey 14 November 2013 06: 24
        0
        "The main thing is that she made it possible for ordinary people to feel like a Human."
        This is not true. Not a revolution is the reason that you consider an achievement (and this is indeed a great achievement). In fact, this is the achievement of the Stalin period, and not the revolution that threw the country back in its development. this confusion is connected, among other things, with the extremely fast pace of change in the country.
  17. nekromonger
    nekromonger 13 November 2013 17: 49
    +3
    article for kindergarten. what did he want to tell her? that Lenin and his Jew. did the company make a revolution on their own? this is very good. costly venture.
  18. samoletil18
    samoletil18 13 November 2013 17: 53
    +1
    I put the author +. But the situation with the arrival of the Provisional Government is much more interesting. Managing to bring to power an incapacitated government that lasted just over six months - that was really serious work. Interestingly, the United States immediately found itself among the awesome friends of the "new Russia" England and France, too, cheered with all their might. Remarkably, it was geopolitically more profitable for Russia to be in an alliance with Germany, but Willie's cousin turned out to be a nationalist and chauvinist, and took an openly anti-Russian position. It is a shame here that our tsar lost his life with his family, and the kaiser only power.
    As for Lenin, he needed not money, but a personal presence in Russia. Which was done. To take power, in that situation, it was enough to have the will, the ability of the organizer and a little (the smallest) adventurism.
    I am not a passionate Leninist, but the German General Staff, apart from being interested, would not have shown anything here without the help of the Entente.
  19. GUSAR
    GUSAR 13 November 2013 20: 28
    -2
    That the October Revolution, that the Orange Revolution is one heir, the customers and owners of this mess are always alone and everyone knows them ....
  20. crest 57
    crest 57 13 November 2013 22: 20
    -2
    As the ancients said: "Have ears and not hear."
    Explain to me such a fact.
    After the February bourgeois revolution, the Russian Empire became like a patchwork quilt. What did not form: the Ural Republic, the Siberian Republic, the Far Eastern Republic, the West Ukrainian Republic, the Donetsk-Kryvyi Rih Republic, the Crimean Republic, the Ukrainian Republic, the Don Republic, etc.!
    After October - the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics!
    What is called - feel the difference.
    So who were the people who ruled the country after February and after October? Who fought in the civil war for what? Who should be attributed to traitors, and whom to patriots?
    And yet, I can understand when traitors are recorded as heroes, but so that heroes are recorded as traitors? !!! ...
  21. bublic82009
    bublic82009 13 November 2013 23: 23
    -1
    the fact that the duck knew the financing of the Bolsheviks from the moment the new historians of post-Soviet Russia began to sing about it. it is necessary to somehow slander the Bolsheviks and the revolution. if there was money, then why didn’t anyone find it? and further. Germany could not throw millions on a dubious business. it was necessary to have 100% confidence in the implementation of the plan. Germany and Austria could not afford to risk it. Axis countries fought on 2 fronts east and west. and the Entente countries on one.
  22. faraon
    faraon 14 November 2013 03: 16
    -2
    Well, why is it a duck, even funds are being pledged to finance the May Day demonstration, and here they are shaking the country, plunging hunger, poverty into the abyss, it doesn’t matter who financed, it’s important what they took. Or do you think that for the three hundred year reign of the Romanov dynasty the people had no money?
    The goal of the revolution justified the funds invested by Western Europe.
  23. Alexey
    Alexey 14 November 2013 06: 19
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    The Germans, of course, are not the financiers of the Bolsheviks ... they are financial intermediaries. Real financiers sat in New Yoke. And many cadres for the "small but militant party" headed by Leiba Bronstein were sent from there. The bankers paid off their deposits with interest through direct robbery, and then concessions. This was stopped by Stalin in the late 20s.
  24. msv
    msv 14 November 2013 15: 59
    0
    The author deftly led everyone into an impasse. Revolutions were made with American money (J. Schiff) and German. And it seems more true that Trotsky was a representative of American sponsors (Yakov Sverdlov can be called the treasurer) and Lenin used German money. And the attempt on Lenin is the result of the struggle for the influence of these groups.
    And the revolution as the expression of the will of the people is bullshit. The revolution is done for money, or for a lot of money.
  25. SIT
    SIT 15 November 2013 00: 30
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    And read the article and all komenty. No one ever wrote how Lenin drove through Germany!?!? Why missed !?
  26. unknown
    unknown 17 November 2013 12: 38
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    Stalin did not stop anything.
    Stalin only, behind Trotsky agreed with the Zionists. After that, the need for Trotsky-mediator disappeared.

    In WWII, Stalin actually acted on the American plan for the destruction of the British colonial empire. As a result, the second phase of the plan to establish world Zionist domination was implemented. Europe is destroyed, Germany is turned into a vassal, Russia is weakened, the British empire has collapsed, Japan is crushed and subjugated, an Israeli state has been created under a sect, the Fed is the only world currency