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Combat weapons “float away” from the Ukrainian army en masse

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Combat weapons “float away” from the Ukrainian army en masseMilitiamen mark an increase in illegal turnover in Ukraine weapons. The Ministry of Defense plays a significant role in this, selling on the domestic market mass-dimensional models of pistols, revolvers and machine guns, which the "craftsmen" then re-convert into military weapons, reports ZN.UA.


Deputy Interior Minister Viktor Ratushnyak informed the government that from August 30 for seven days of conducting a targeted operational-preventive operation “Weapons and Explosives”, 707 facts of illegal trafficking in firearms, ammunition and explosives were revealed. In addition, 631 has disclosed a criminal offense related to trafficking and the use of firearms and explosives.

And for the entire period of the operation, 10 746 firearms, ammunition and explosive devices, including one machine gun, two machine guns, around 30 carbines and rifles, 96 revolvers and pistols, 77 homemade weapons, 39 grenades, XNX explosive devices.

Among these many thousands of pieces of military equipment, most of them are ammunition, since their records are kept individually.

The Defense Ministry, which organized a sale of weapons on the domestic market of Ukraine, provides substantial assistance to the criminal world in this. Military weapons — pistols, assault rifles, machine guns, and ammunition — most of which are sold to citizens in the form of supposedly safe, mass-sized weapons models — float out of the Armed Forces massively.

The Commission of the Ministry of Defense concludes agreements with the so-called business entities with the Cabinet of Ministers in the field of trade in surplus military property, including the sale of weapons and military equipment in the domestic market.

In a letter to the deputy head of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, it is noted that the so-called military weapon kits (Makarov pistols, Nagan revolvers) without barrels are sold to enterprises specializing in the manufacture and trade in special equipment, and subsequently are equipped with trunks for shooting bullets with rubber bullets. The cost of such weapons in retail is about 4 thousand hryvnia, while Ukrspetsexport and Ukroboronservis sell these products at 30 – 50 hryvnia per unit.

A much more profitable business was established by entrepreneurs selling mass-sized models of pistols, revolvers, machine guns and Kalashnikov machine guns, sniper rifles and other military firearms.

The scheme used in this case is quite simple. The authorized enterprise, having concluded a contract with the Ministry of Defense for the sale of weapons in the domestic market, holds a competition. As a rule, "their" enterprises take part in the competition, therefore its result is quite predictable. Further on, the transfer of ownership of the weapon takes place. This is the only weak point in the transaction. Then the enterprise-owner of the weapon, without receiving it in the military unit, instructs the seller to carry out the conversion of products into mass-dimensional models or devices for shooting rubber bullets. At this stage, it is very difficult to establish whether these products were really demilitarized, since they have already been deregistered in the armed forces.

Such a model of weapons can be bought without any permits and licenses. Given the "golden hands" of home-grown craftsmen, so many restored pistols, machine guns and machine guns enter the shady market for weapons, which is enough to equip an army of a small country, writes a columnist.
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  1. Airman
    Airman 12 November 2013 11: 09
    25
    Ukrainians are preparing to enter the eurozone well-armed, otherwise homosexuals will trample out of the geyropa.
    1. mirag2
      mirag2 12 November 2013 11: 49
      +7
      Friends, in Ukraine, such a large-scale sale of everything has gone that one can not even talk about some Kalash-NEDRA sold to Chevron for 30% of shale gas production - horror!
      What they do, whoever started them, purely emotions, want preference gas, but in Poland it’s more expensive to buy it than ours ...
      1. Akim
        Akim 12 November 2013 12: 07
        0
        Quote: mirag2
        even-NEDRA sold to Chevron -for 30% of the production of shale gas-horror!

        Not for 30, but from 17 to 40%, depending on the amount of explored. And how much was on Sakhalin-2? Or in Azerbaijan? It seems that the conditions are identical.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 12 November 2013 13: 10
          +9
          Quote: Akim
          And how much was on Sakhalin-2?

          That was sold under Yeltsin, now the conditions have changed a lot. And what a habit of nodding at Russia when talking about Ukraine. bowels to amers, fields to China, weapons to everyone, although I understand that money is urgently needed wassat
          1. Akim
            Akim 12 November 2013 13: 15
            +2
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            .And what a habit of nodding at Russia

            I can ask you both in Poland and Romania and Argentina - I don’t think you are following the information there. And about the money you are right - you need.
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 12 November 2013 13: 42
              +3
              Quote: Akim

              I can ask you in Poland and Romania and Argentina - I don’t think

              And what's the point when it comes to Ukraine?
              Quote: Akim
              And about the money you are right - you need.

              Ukraine needs 160 billion euros to move to EU standards - Azarovhttp://www.vedomosti.ru/politics/news/18554571/ukraine-nuzhny-160-mlrd-evro-dlya

              -perehoda-k-standartam-es

              I'm afraid that even selling all the money is still not enough laughing
              1. Akim
                Akim 12 November 2013 13: 47
                -2
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                I'm afraid that even selling all the money is still not enough

                Primitively you think. Anyway. As for gas contracts, my question was asked about similar examples. Do not shout immediately ATU! I understand that everything about Ukraine is annoying. How will you live then?
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 12 November 2013 13: 53
                  +3
                  Quote: Akim
                  How will you live then?

                  When will Ukraine join the CU? I think better than now good
                  1. Akim
                    Akim 12 November 2013 13: 58
                    -3
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    When will Ukraine join the CU?

                    Do you think that Ukrainian citizens will treat you better after your media have sucked them? Personally, my opinion will not change. But it has worsened greatly.
                    1. Alexander Romanov
                      Alexander Romanov 12 November 2013 14: 13
                      +4
                      Quote: Akim
                      Do you think that Ukrainian citizens will treat you better after your media have sucked them?

                      You know Akim, let’s say I remember how the Ukrainian Natsiks killed our soldiers in Chechnya, I remember Georgia. A normal person in Ukraine understands a lot, and I don’t care about the opinion of dubalists who want to get into the EU.
                      As they said on Channel 5 of Ukraine under Yushchenko, ... Our soldiers had the honor of killing Russians in Chechnya.
                      1. Akim
                        Akim 12 November 2013 14: 38
                        +2
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        I suppose I remember how the Ukrainian Natsiks killed our soldiers in Chechnya, I remember Georgia.

                        He did not kill and did not change his opinion about the "three eights" (this is Georgian aggression). But your policy could have perverted our relations with the half of the country loyal to Russia, so that after that it does not turn out to be brothers to consider the language. Enough of the clash in Novorossiysk with the PPP in the 10th. In 99 in Moscow, after the terrorist attacks there, I was not deceived or insulted.
                        And now even worse.
                      2. Alexander Romanov
                        Alexander Romanov 12 November 2013 16: 28
                        -1
                        Quote: Akim
                        But so your policy could distort our relations of half of the country loyal to Russia, that after that we don’t turn our tongue into brothers

                        And the trick is that your own media did it, but an even greater paradox will be when they tell Ukrainians about the advantages of the TS.
                        Quote: Akim
                        And now even worse.

                        Alas, this is a reciprocal political move. The super powers defend their interests and always defended!
                      3. Akim
                        Akim 12 November 2013 16: 40
                        +2
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        And the trick is that your own media did it, n

                        Do you watch our television? Or are you often in Ukraine? About symmetrical actions on my part - I will say this. True, the last three years I do not go further than the Rostov Region. But I have a lot of Russian channels. More than 20.
                      4. Alexander Romanov
                        Alexander Romanov 12 November 2013 16: 52
                        -3
                        Quote: Akim
                        Do you watch our television? Or are you often in Ukraine?

                        Yes, I don’t watch Russian channels, there is the Internet and I see and hear what they say in your news. Politicians are especially astonished by the lies, although Yanukovia didn’t say a word about the EU when he went to the polls. who did you vote for?
                      5. Akim
                        Akim 12 November 2013 16: 56
                        0
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        although Yanukovy went to the polls and did not say a word about the EU.

                        Once you have the Internet, well then read the election program of Yanukovych! Enough of fantasies on this subject.
                      6. Alexander Romanov
                        Alexander Romanov 12 November 2013 17: 05
                        -2
                        Quote: Akim
                        Once you have the Internet, well then read the election program of Yanukovych!

                        Only reading these masterpieces was not enough in my life. Enough of his public announcement is more than enough!
                      7. Kars
                        Kars 12 November 2013 17: 10
                        +7
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        Only reading these masterpieces was not enough in my life

                        I did not read Pasternak, but I condemn.
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        although Yanukovy was not speaking about the EU when he went to the polls

                        If you haven’t read, is it lying? Or will you say that
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        Enough of his public announcement

                        ALL listened to them and outlined))))

                        And Yanyk curtailed toward the Russian Federation, signed an extension of the lease of Sevastopol, abolished the commission on joining NATO, the law on the status of regional languages ​​- and in response from the Russian Federation only trade wars. Then it turned out give Tandem a finger, he wants to bite off his elbow.
                      8. Alexander Romanov
                        Alexander Romanov 12 November 2013 17: 21
                        0
                        Quote: Kars
                        I did not read Pasternak, but I condemn.

                        To beat it, Kars didn’t see you in the subject for a hundred years. I give 100% that you didn’t read it, well, if only partially and selectively. So ....... not a damn thing comes out of you.
                        But nothing, prepare champagne - soon Ukraine will sign with the EU that there you will celebrate this case. If you do not sign, you will get drunk with grief wink
                        Quote: Kars
                        Then came out give the Tandem a finger, he wants to bite off his elbow.

                        Give Crimea back yes winked
                      9. Kars
                        Kars 12 November 2013 17: 32
                        +4
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        I give 100%, which you did not read, well, if only partially and selectively.

                        I have not read, but I do not affirm anything without confirmation.
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        But nothing, prepare champagne - soon Ukraine will sign with the EU, h

                        Hear the moderator, is it correct to write the name of the country with a small letter? Is it a deliberate insult?
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        Give Crimea back yes

                        Why do you need it? First, return Alaska and the Chinese from the Far East were evicted))
                  2. Akim
                    Akim 12 November 2013 17: 15
                    +1
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    Enough of his public announcement, more than enough!

                    Do you know the saying: Are you a bug without a piece of paper?
                  3. Alexander Romanov
                    Alexander Romanov 12 November 2013 17: 17
                    0
                    Quote: Akim
                    Do you know the saying: Are you a bug without a piece of paper?

                    But it concerns the passport.
                  4. Akim
                    Akim 12 November 2013 17: 22
                    +1
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    But it concerns the passport.

                    Total. Without an written order for special actions that are not related to my direct duties, I wouldn’t have raised the army.
                    Unless the first-year lieutenant. And then the first months before the fees.
                  5. Kars
                    Kars 12 November 2013 17: 29
                    +2
                    MG42 UA Today, 17:26 | Military weapons are leaving the Ukrainian army en masse

                    7. FOREIGN POLICY: OPENNESS AND NEIGHBORHOOD

                    I consider the main task of national foreign policy to maintain the non-aligned status of Ukraine.


                    And what does Yanukovych join NATO? Outside of blockiness, this refers to military blocs.
          2. MG42
            MG42 12 November 2013 17: 26
            +2
            Quote: Akim
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            although Yanukovy went to the polls and did not say a word about the EU.

            Once you have the Internet, well then read the election program of Yanukovych! Enough of fantasies on this subject.

            Akim, it’s good to tell a lie, they can immediately catch bully
            We are opening the election program of Yanukovych >>

            7. FOREIGN POLICY: OPENNESS AND NEIGHBORHOOD

            I consider the main task of national foreign policy to maintain the non-aligned status of Ukraine.

            Given the current geopolitical realities, I am convinced that the non-aligned status of Ukraine is a key element of national security, increasing its international influence and authority.

            I will restore friendly and mutually beneficial relations with the Russian Federation, the CIS countries, I will provide a strategic partnership with the USA, the EU, the G-XNUMX countries
            UKRAINE WILL TAKE DECENT PLACE IN THE WORLD COMMUNITY. UNITING OUR JOINT EFFORTS, WE WILL BUILD A NEW - SUCCESSFUL AND PROPERTY UKRAINE! UKRAINE FOR HUMAN, UKRAINE FOR PEOPLE!


            http://vibori.in.ua/kandidaty/predvibornie-programy/427-p
          3. Akim
            Akim 12 November 2013 17: 31
            +1
            Quote: MG42
            Akim, it’s good to tell a lie, they can immediately catch

            And where did I lie?
          4. MG42
            MG42 12 November 2013 17: 33
            +3
            WHERE COURSE TO EU IN THE YANUKOVICH PROGRAM? Cite pliz, I won’t answer your deputy, he sees it ..
            Who authorized him to make strategic decisions without referendum, he was elected by pro-Russian voters, this is called in the language of businessbooth> your electorate ..
          5. Akim
            Akim 12 November 2013 17: 38
            0
            Quote: MG42
            WHERE IS THE COURSE FOR THE EU IN THE YANUKOVICH PROGRAM? Cite pliz, I won’t answer your deputy, he sees it.

            Well Kars, I'm not a deputy. We are like-minded people. There was a claim from Romanov that there was not a word about the EU in Yanyk’s program. And the euro course is approved by the Parliament.
          6. MG42
            MG42 12 November 2013 17: 42
            +2
            Quote: Akim
            . There was a claim from Romanov that there was not a word about the EU in Yanyk’s program.

            There is no fair claim that there is a course towards the EU in the program, sitting on 2 chairs, non-blockness.
            Quote: Akim
            And the euro course is approved by the Parliament

            there is a law that under Yushch was dragged in the Rada, but we have the law as a drawbar fellow ..where you turn there and it turned out ..
            I crave the real adoption in Ukraine of European standards of democracy, the steady guarantee of human rights and freedoms. I stand for giving the Russian language the status of a second state.

            In short, Yanuk 3,14dabol concrete as its predecessor ..
          7. Akim
            Akim 12 November 2013 17: 52
            +1
            Quote: MG42
            There is no fair claim that there is a course towards the EU in the program, sitting on 2 chairs, non-blockness.

            N there is no course on the vehicle. Although legally this is generally nonsense. In one economic union of the CIS, another TS acts and as a parasite inside the body violates its rules.
        2. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 12 November 2013 17: 50
          +2
          Quote: Akim
          . We are like-minded people.

          I will sell the EU flag, I will give it to Ukrainian brothers at a discount winked
      2. Corneli
        Corneli 12 November 2013 17: 56
        +2
        Quote: MG42
        WHERE IS THE COURSE FOR THE EU IN THE YANUKOVICH PROGRAM? Cite pliz, I won’t answer your deputy, he sees it ..

        The program itself is not clearly registered, but:
        Yanukovych - President of Ukraine since February 25, 2010.
        One of his first statements:
        "There is an irrefutable truth - Ukraine is an independent sovereign state. And this is written in the Basic Law of our state. There is the following truth - Ukraine actively integrates into the European Union. And this strategic direction is fixed, among other things, in my repeated statements as the President of Ukraine. I would like everyone to remember this, "the President of Ukraine notes.

        01/04/2010 http://rian.com.ua/politics/20100401/78348660.html
        Kharkov agreements were signed in 20 days ....
      3. MG42
        MG42 12 November 2013 18: 01
        +3
        Quote: Corneli
        The program itself is not clearly registered, but

        Yes, it is not registered otherwise he would not be elected, pensioners, miners of Donbass, as you do not understand bully nevermind he would get his votes in the Crimea and the south of Ukraine ..
    2. Akim
      Akim 12 November 2013 18: 12
      +1
      Quote: MG42
      Who authorized him to make strategic decisions without a referendum, he was elected by pro-Russian voters, in the language of business it is called the "kidok" of his electorate ..

      What are the strategic decisions? You are just like Simonenko. What is the name of the EU?
    3. MG42
      MG42 12 November 2013 18: 21
      +3
      Quote: Akim
      What are the strategic decisions?

      Akim, do not pretend to be a <hose> wink ? you understood perfectly well that by, why aggravate.
      Strategic decision yf The Association in an in-depth form judging by the number of pages of the folio and the comments of it prepared, adopted without a referendum, i.e. there is cheating, he was elected to neutrality, he single-handedly and with the help of the oligarchic environment changed course
      Quote: Akim
      You are just like Simonenko.

      I am incredibly glad that the status was so highly appreciated .. laughing >
    4. Akim
      Akim 12 November 2013 18: 31
      +2
      Quote: MG42
      I am incredibly glad that they rated status so highly

      I thought so. which is not strong, but insulted. I’m wondering. That mission of Koks-Kwasniewski will leave, they will not release Timokha, we will not sign an association, will you also be nice to the Kremlin, the lured media of which have been pouring mud on us? Me not. But Ukraine will face internal trouble then.
    5. MG42
      MG42 12 November 2013 18: 44
      0
      Quote: Akim
      I’m wondering. That mission of Koks-Kwasniewski will leave, they will not release Timokha, we will not sign the association

      Let's not get ahead of the events, I also thought that Yanuk was slow-witted, however, there Leochkin, Klyuyev and Rinat rule, of course, what combination is planned, one can only guess, the most interesting thing will take place the other day, they break in the party of regions of dissent, obviously there is a bargain
      Quote: Akim
      Will you also be nice to the Kremlin, the lured media of which have been pouring mud on us?

      The Kremlin began to pour mud, not only traditionally on Channel 5, the cooling of relations had obviously come, my opinion was my personal ..
      Quote: Akim
      But Ukraine will face internal trouble then.

      While I know that in the financial sector Ukraine is in trouble .. the population still lives by the principle of my hut from the edge, well, except for the young radicals of course ..
      He left for several. hours .. >>>
  2. Horst78
    Horst78 13 November 2013 14: 26
    0
    But so your policy could distort our relations loyal to Russia half of the country,
    So, again we are to blame, and you are so kind and fluffy? And to the account
    brothers are not considered tongue
    this is our language does not turn sad
  • Felix200970
    Felix200970 12 November 2013 17: 22
    0
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    And what's the point when it comes to Ukraine?

    This is not just about Ukraine, but about the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine. As you can see, this is the second attempt to put an explicit order on this site. The main supplier of weapons to the black market of Ukraine is just the Ministry of Internal Affairs. the author clearly confuses the concepts of mass-dimensional layout (mgm) and traumatic weapons. They don’t remake them from combat in MGM. Only in traumatism. And after deregistration in the Ministry of Defense, it immediately goes on to the account in the Ministry of Internal Affairs. Since control over the circulation of weapons inside the country meets the Ministry of Internal Affairs. Now try to essentially explain who is guilty of the lack of registration of the WEAPON deregistered in the Ministry of Defense and transferred to the Ministry of Internal Affairs?
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 12 November 2013 17: 35
      0
      Quote: Felix200970
      This is not just about Ukraine, but about the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine. As you can see, this is the second attempt to put an explicit order on this site.

      What order if everyone is trading .....
      Greek border guards intercepted a ship flying the flag of Sierra Leone from Ukraine, with a large number of machine guns and ammunition without the necessary documentshttp://www.pravda.com.ua/rus/news/2013/11/9/7001781/
      1. Felix200970
        Felix200970 13 November 2013 14: 04
        0
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Greek border guards intercepted a ship flying the flag of Sierra Leone, sailing from Ukraine

        Alexander, do not confuse the situation with pornography. Firstly, what was lucky there was a trough and what seemed to the Greeks from hunger was still a pitchfork in the water. The article indicates that the main seller of weapons on the domestic market of Ukraine is the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, while the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine is in fact out of business (although they have their own weapons coached directly from the museum of the Ministry of Internal Affairs)
        1. Felix200970
          Felix200970 17 November 2013 22: 09
          0
          By the way, I found the source of this nonsense. I recommend to Ukrainian readers http://tsn.ua/ukrayina/ukrayinski-zlochinci-aktivno-skupovuyut-igrashkovu-boyovu
          -zbroyu-minoboroni-319872.html 15 minutes of wild rzhachki I promise good
  • Tersky
    Tersky 12 November 2013 13: 19
    +5
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    bowels to amers, fields to China, weapons to all,

    The realities of today's Ukraine in the words of V. Vysotsky "Kozebayan, the priest-hormone, the icon-papuas"
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    although I understand urgently need money
    Paradox - the more there are, the more they are missing laughing
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 12 November 2013 13: 51
      +2
      Quote: Tersky
      Paradox - the more there are, the more they are missing

      Vitya, write more modestly, otherwise they will not catch you in Ukraine laughing
      1. Tersky
        Tersky 12 November 2013 14: 16
        +3
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        otherwise they won’t catch you in Ukraine

        Sasha, ordinary people will understand, but to whom there is not enough money (and in their business, it is stolen immeasurably), these yes ...
  • Anthony
    Anthony 13 November 2013 02: 35
    -1
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    even-BOTTOM was sold to Chevron



    What kind of nonsense are you writing? I’ll change the question ... Do you get a lot for the produced gas by Gazprom? As far as I know, the Earth’s natural resources are a COMMON VALUE of the people who live in this territory, like forests, fields and ponds. Therefore, for every cubic meter of gas, oil, coal mined, they should return money to you, as it was in Libya, under Muammar Gaddafi. Now the question is, do you get a lot? for the fact that you, yours, take yours and sell them?
    You can not answer, the answer is obvious, not a penny!
    So what's the deal? We have the same policies and sell our property to someone. why are you excited? You would think for your own.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 13 November 2013 03: 34
      0
      Quote: Anthony
      As far as I know, the Earth’s natural resources are a COMMON VALUE of the people who live in this territory

      You don’t just say it to the Americans, otherwise they will all take a break from laughing laughing
      Quote: Anthony
      You can not answer, the answer is obvious, not a penny!

      I will answer you child, and what is the budget of Russia made up of? - including from the revenues of gas and oil and from them pensions and salaries to state employees are paid.
      Quote: Anthony
      We have the same policies and sell our property to someone. why are you excited?

      No, ours will be smarter
  • ultra
    ultra 12 November 2013 14: 43
    +2
    Quote: Akim
    And how much was on Sakhalin-2?

    "Sakhalin 1-2" is generally a robbery of pure water, but the key word "WAS"! Why Ukraine is on the same rake I do not understand? request
    1. Akim
      Akim 12 November 2013 14: 50
      -3
      Quote: ultra
      Why Ukraine doesn’t understand the same rake?

      Is there an alternative? Or did Ukrainian scientists themselves learn how to produce this gas?
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 12 November 2013 16: 29
        -2
        Quote: Akim
        Is there an alternative? Or did Ukrainian scientists themselves learn how to produce this gas?

        Yes, there is cheap gas in TS. If you do not believe it, ask the Belarusians hi
        1. Akim
          Akim 12 November 2013 16: 46
          +4
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          .If you do not believe me, ask Belarusians

          And the price is constantly growing for the population. And their gas transportation system at Gazprom in bondage. And they have no choice.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 12 November 2013 17: 37
            -2
            Quote: Akim
            . And their gas transportation system at Gazprom in bondage. And they have no choice.

            Lukoshenko will read your koment, half a day will laugh laughing
            1. Akim
              Akim 12 November 2013 17: 45
              +1
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Lukoshenko will read your comments

              Just everything rests on it, like Yugoslavia on Tito. What if he will become objectionable to Russia? What can they do in response? The floor of their industry is under Russian oligarch businesses.
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 12 November 2013 17: 48
                0
                Quote: Akim
                Just everything rests on it, like Yugoslavia on Tito. What if he will become objectionable to Russia?

                US stereotypes.
                Quote: Akim
                The floor of their industry is under Russian oligarch businesses.

                But you don’t have oligarchs and you pay salaries on time. Or Russia is to blame.
                1. Akim
                  Akim 12 November 2013 17: 57
                  +1
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  Or here Russia is to blame.

                  We have already talked about the complexes. I am not looking for answers to the primordially Russian question "Who is to blame?" I'm just looking at reality. Belarus itself has no choice. It is no longer historically, but economically tied to Russia and the Kremlin can dictate its terms to it.
  • domokl
    domokl 12 November 2013 12: 58
    +3
    What a strange article ... We also have on sale free guns and TTs converted to signal ... So what? Something lefties are redoing more injuries than these former combat ones. I think the problem is more contrived.
    1. seller trucks
      seller trucks 12 November 2013 14: 55
      0
      Quote: domokl
      What a strange article ... We also have on sale free guns and TTs converted to signal ... So what? Something lefties are redoing more injuries than these former combat ones. I think the problem is more contrived.


      why the strange, rather belated, story began with the BYuT in 2008 and the decree for No. 826:

      According to UNIAN, a list of the property of the operational and rescue civil protection service of the Ministry of Emergencies is attached to the order of the Cabinet of Ministers, which can be alienated.
      The document includes, among other things: AK-74 assault rifles of 5,45 mm caliber (1989 — 1999 of the model year) with a starting price of 582 hryvnias per unit;
      RPK-74 machine guns of the 5,45 caliber (1989 — 1999 gg), the initial cost is 1219 hryvnias;
      SVD rifles with PZO caliber 7,62 mm 1979-1989 years at a price of 5566 hryvnias per unit, 9-mm pistols of Makarov 1979-1999 gg release - at 325 hryvnias per unit, two RPG-2 grenade launchers issued before XNUMN all year hryvnia apiece, as well as ammunition and grenades in stock.


      “For example, the AKM-74 assault rifle of medium wear and tear, produced in the period between 1968-1978, is estimated at 272 hryvnias. RDP-44 machine gun costs 276 hryvnias "- Delo newspaper

      And now, in the course of the play, the authorities are afraid.
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    1. morpex
      morpex 12 November 2013 23: 48
      0
      Quote: GSH-18
      Ukrainian prostitutes and so use as they want in the EU

      prostitution has no nationality. This is so by the way. There are enough of yours.
      Quote: GSH-18
      and for another hohland in Europe do not plan to use.

      Gentlemen moderators. It seems like the rules of the site are violated. Or it seemed to me? What is one-sided censorship ...
  • Kars
    Kars 12 November 2013 11: 11
    +2
    Yes, nevermind I looked at myself TT to restore it))
  • major071
    major071 12 November 2013 11: 16
    +7
    And for the entire period of the operation, 10 746 firearms, ammunition and explosive devices, including one machine gun, two machine guns, around 30 carbines and rifles, 96 revolvers and pistols, 77 homemade weapons, 39 grenades, XNX explosive devices.

    Something is not enough, and this is in Ukraine, where there were fierce battles in WWII. Yes, there still guerrillas are sitting in the woods with weapons, and in the villages in the sheds tanks with guns are hidden. Or just hide well?
    1. domokl
      domokl 12 November 2013 13: 01
      +1
      Quote: major071
      Something is not enough, and this is in Ukraine, where there were fierce battles

      So it seems to me that horses and people mixed in the article ... Trunks can be restored, but it’s unprofitable. But black diggers can very well provide the domestic market with weapons and ammunition.
  • samoletil18
    samoletil18 12 November 2013 11: 17
    +3
    wassat Now it is clear why Russia is not particularly protesting against Ukraine's movement into the EU. Because of our "mass-dimensional models", in huge quantities, our capacities are idle. And how we sell a significant part of the "models" through Ukraine to the EU - we will live! laughing
  • makarov
    makarov 12 November 2013 11: 19
    +7
    Personally, I know episodes when craftsmen made one shooter out of two MMGs. They were installed and naturally attracted. But one must face the truth. There is also legislation in the legislation - permission of licensed activities for the alteration of military weapons. Laws are passed by the authorities, and as a rule someone stands behind them in the shade. That is why in compliance with personal interests and military weapons are sold to the licensee for the price, taking into account depreciation, and at the output, as a season, its price increases a hundred times. The noise is probably due to the fact that either the money was not divided or the redistribution of the market.
    1. mithridate
      mithridate 12 November 2013 13: 01
      +1
      it is the redistribution of the market and the distribution of cash flows
  • Akim
    Akim 12 November 2013 11: 25
    +6
    I don’t know, maybe there are villages in Lefty that can restore rifling fields, re-coat the trunk with chrome, change the receiver, because the grooves are bored. For that kind of money it’s easier to buy a machine worker on the black market. I don’t mention the gun at all. The game is not worth the candle.
    1. makarov
      makarov 12 November 2013 17: 18
      0
      not in the village, but in Dnepropetrovsk, a case was instituted precisely for the alterations of the MMG, a kind of "candle factory". From memory, they managed to assemble 3 units from 2 MMGs.
      1. Akim
        Akim 12 November 2013 17: 28
        0
        Quote: makarov
        there they managed to assemble 3 units from 2 MMG.

        It may well be. But the layout is not a broken car. They all have the same applied detail defect.
  • Migari
    Migari 12 November 2013 11: 39
    +2
    so many reconditioned pistols, machine guns and machine guns enter the shadow weapons market that this is enough to arm the army of a small country,
    So the people are arming themselves, who knows what will be ahead.
    1. Akim
      Akim 12 November 2013 11: 46
      +1
      Quote: Migari
      So the people are arming themselves, who knows what will be ahead.

      What is ahead is really unknown, but this bad ability will arm itself. Weapons for once, and then they can tear in their hands. It is better to buy a Turkish gas or traumatic and remake it in combat.
      1. Landwarrior
        Landwarrior 12 November 2013 14: 37
        +1
        Quote: Akim
        It is better to buy a Turkish gas or traumatic and remake it in combat.

        I don’t know about the "traumatizers" (I suppose it’s about “makarych” with “naganych”, and not about “wasp” with “guard”? wink ), but imported silumin gas workers, riveted under a live cartridge in the 90s, often flashed among the killers in the "cultural capital", since there was no need to register, well, if you write something - "lost" and truncated, no problem. lol
        That’s just enough such home-made for 1-2 shots, then in the best case, it jammed, in the worst, it tore the barrel. request
        1. Akim
          Akim 12 November 2013 14: 53
          +2
          Quote: Landwarrior
          That’s just enough such home-made for 1-2 shots, then in the best case, it jammed, in the worst, it tore the barrel.

          Initially, you do not have to remove the divider, but change the barrel itself. But it's easier than redoing the layout.
  • aud13
    aud13 12 November 2013 11: 41
    +1
    The penultimate paragraph says that after the transfer of weapons from the Armed Forces to the enterprises, no one monitors whether mass-size weapons (mock-ups) are actually made from them.
    Therefore, there can be no talk of any alteration if initially no one brought military weapons into a state in which they could not be used for their original purpose. I understand this article.
    1. Akim
      Akim 12 November 2013 11: 53
      +1
      Quote: aud13
      Therefore, there can be no talk of any alteration if initially no one brought military weapons into a state in which they could not be used for their original purpose. I understand this article.

      Do you know the categories of weapons? Category 5 assault rifles, which are transmitted, can still shoot, but VERY not for long. And more dangerous for the shooter than for the target.
      1. Lesnik
        Lesnik 12 November 2013 12: 12
        +4
        Good day, Kim. That’s the point of cutting weapons of the first category wink And sometimes they don’t even cut it. For example, I saw in the store a so-called MMG AGS with a sawn replaceable aluminum barrel that changed the minute no more, and LNG so the whole laughing
        But that is not the question! The question is who puts the money in his pocket laughing
        There is in the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine a magical "Department of Vidchudzhennya Viiskovy mine" and is led by such a 33-year-old DIRECTOR for cutting Mironenko Dmitry Mikhailovich is a very interesting guy (never signs anything) laughing here he is handsome http://vk.com/id7030935
        and his dad is here http://file.liga.net/person/919-mihail-mironenko.html
        really curious?
        But these are flowers wink as an idle curiosity take an interest in how much land is now MOU in the Kiev region and how much has it already been sold? laughing or how many "drill" rifles were sold by this department and for what price and how much do they really cost (but this is so "pampering" for cigarettes)?
        1. Akim
          Akim 12 November 2013 12: 30
          +1
          Quote: Forestman
          For example, I saw in the store a so-called MMG AGS with a sawn replaceable aluminum barrel that change the minute no more, and LNG so the whole

          Weapons can be obtained in another way and it will be very good. There are many ways to do this, and not this idiotic one with a remake.
          Elementary incapacitation of AGS - make a hole in the shutter. At LNG - open the electrical circuit. These are all trifles, but already cons. In fact, if you can get shots at them, then it costs you nothing to get the originals of grenade launchers.
          I am against even these layouts in general, but the shooters from them will be worthless.
          1. Lesnik
            Lesnik 12 November 2013 14: 03
            +1
            And AGS and LNG I CAREFULLY examined wink
          2. GastaClaus69
            GastaClaus69 12 November 2013 14: 25
            +1
            Quote: Akim
            Weapons can be obtained in another way and it will be very good. There are many ways to do this, and not this idiotic one with a remake.

            In Odessa, knowing the right people, you can safely take yourself AK on average for 3-4 yew. UAH Fort pistols for rubber will be more expensive + all these permissions. It is problematic only to buy cartridges being a person who does not officially own weapons.
        2. Lesnik
          Lesnik 12 November 2013 14: 17
          0
          The cost in Ukraine of 1 rifle Lee-Enfield (in common parlance "Boer")
          1 927,20 UAH. In B. Britain, 2 orders of magnitude more expensive. What do you think for how much MOU these rifles sold?
  • Algor73
    Algor73 12 November 2013 11: 59
    0
    Controversial article, false information. That flooded all sorts of pneumatic weapons, yes. But to redo the combat-ready layout from the layout, this is what a craftsman you need to be! Unless those who have access to equipment in factories with specific equipment (such as the Lenin Forge, etc.). But such people are combed out quite quickly. In short, you can remake such a weapon, but it will be a one-time weapon.
  • AlexTarov
    AlexTarov 12 November 2013 12: 04
    +1
    And I’d buy myself a kilogram of twenty safe weight and size models.
  • vkrav
    vkrav 12 November 2013 12: 05
    +2
    They sold it at the sports store MGM SVT40-3850 in hryvnias ... It's a shame ... the 41st year, and moreover, it’s not scumbag! It’s completely disfigured from the inside - just hang it on the wall ... And remaking it is unlikely .. .
    1. Landwarrior
      Landwarrior 12 November 2013 14: 47
      0
      Quote: vkrav
      And redoing is unlikely ...

      Redo, yes, easier to re-do laughing
      although that what is different is "three deuces" yes
  • TeaOK
    TeaOK 12 November 2013 12: 23
    -3
    Before the civil war they are arming themselves.
    1. Akim
      Akim 12 November 2013 12: 31
      +3
      Quote: TeaOK
      Before the civil war they are arming themselves.


      DO NOT WAIT !!!
      1. Orik
        Orik 12 November 2013 12: 52
        0
        One must be a sick person in order to wait for this ... God forbid, Russia will not seem to be small for everyone.
        1. TeaOK
          TeaOK 12 November 2013 13: 23
          +1
          Yes, I don’t expect this, just if Ukraine follows the path of European integration in the east there will be an economic collapse, rising unemployment by leaps and bounds and all the ensuing.
          1. Akim
            Akim 12 November 2013 13: 27
            +1
            Quote: TeaOK
            in the east there will be an economic collapse, rising unemployment by leaps and bounds and all the ensuing.

            Channel Russia 24?
            The eastern regions of Ukraine lived even worse once, but survived.
            1. TeaOK
              TeaOK 12 November 2013 13: 32
              0
              In 1920? so the time was completely different and people are patient, now "democracy" is on everyone's mind.
              1. Akim
                Akim 12 November 2013 13: 41
                +1
                Quote: TeaOK
                In xnumx?

                What are the 20s? They also found the aksakal. laughing 90s !. The history of the beginning of the last century aside.
  • terran125
    terran125 12 November 2013 12: 54
    0
    Quote: Akim
    Quote: TeaOK
    Before the civil war they are arming themselves.


    DO NOT WAIT !!!

    alas, in our time, the question of whether to be a civil war or not to be decided is not by the people more than once crying I think you should not remind about Syria
    1. Akim
      Akim 12 November 2013 13: 20
      +1
      Quote: terran125
      I think you should not remind about Syria

      So all countries can be attributed to this category. USA, Russia and China are not exceptions. Just such thoughts in the ear get a response.
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  • VadimSt
    VadimSt 12 November 2013 13: 00
    +4
    Quote: TeaOK
    Before the civil war they are arming themselves.

    It's just that there are not enough majors, factories and factories, they are already under the control of dads and moms, and you can provide them with a comfortable existence in other areas accessible to dads and moms. Why be surprised if pussies for twenty years become billionaires in 2-3 years. Vaughn Yanukovych, about his son said so - "He works well", it turns out that the rest are just lazy, not unemployed!
  • torry
    torry 12 November 2013 13: 04
    0
    As if after such delusional articles, toughening again began for MMG. They are already mutilating - God forbid ...
  • Horn
    Horn 12 November 2013 14: 00
    +3
    Well done! The army was popular, which means that weapons should belong to the people, and not to the deputies of the State Duma with bandits!
  • Drosselmeyer
    Drosselmeyer 12 November 2013 14: 55
    +1
    There are plenty of dug weapons. He himself fired in his youthful past both from the "kulak" cut-off of a mosinka, and from the cut-off of a Mauser restored by SVT and from a single MP-40, beaten with rust. And now with metal detectors this is not a problem at all.
  • chief.matros
    chief.matros 12 November 2013 15: 07
    -1
    It seems that in Hohland they are seriously preparing for a civil war. Something reminiscent of Chechnya in the early 1990s
    1. GastaClaus69
      GastaClaus69 12 November 2013 15: 16
      +1
      Do not wait!
  • Grbear
    Grbear 12 November 2013 16: 06
    +1
    The sale is going on at all levels: "Ukraine admitted that it sent 20 thousand Kalashnikov assault rifles to Libya" - this is today. http://www.aif.ua/society/news/65355
    In April 2012, the Turks slowed down the explosives - a whole ship.

    And they got to their own. Workers of all countries - arm yourself !? angry
  • Yugra
    Yugra 12 November 2013 16: 37
    -1
    Fence around these proud and independent saloids with barbed wire. After a year, the entire population will scatter across the European Union to wash the dishes, and sweep the floors for burgers.
    1. Cat
      Cat 12 November 2013 16: 49
      +2
      Quote: Ugra
      Fence around these proud and independent saloids with barbed wire. After a year, the entire population will scatter across the European Union to wash the dishes, and sweep the floors for burgers.

      the saddest thing is that for many "Svidomo" it is this fate that is the ultimate dream. The mentality, however: in Western Ukraine, the main stronghold of "eurointegration" - there was fig and nifiga under the Union of Industry, the land for agriculture in those regions is also not very ... so the Westerners all over the USSR had a Sabbath - where on construction sites, where in the fields, where else low skilled works. And now they are doing exactly the same, adjusted for current realities. Therefore, the prospect of being a servant of the European bourgeoisie quite suits them - they simply do not know anything else ...
  • igor67
    igor67 12 November 2013 16: 41
    0
    Greece intercepted a ship with weapons, sailing from Ukraine to Syria

    publication time: November 11, 2013, 12:05
    last updated: November 11, 2013 12:22 p.m.



    Greek coast guard detained in the area of ​​the archipelago. Having in the Aegean Sea the ship Nour M. sailing under the flag of Sierra Leone. 20.000 Kalashnikovs and a significant amount of explosives and ammunition were found on board.

    The final destination of the ship leaving Ukraine was the capital of Libya, Tripoli. The ship also had to enter Turkish Iskenderun and Syrian Tarsus. It was escorted to Rhodes. The Turkish captain and seven team members, most of whom are citizens of Ukraine, are detained.

    "We are conducting an inventory of weapons and ammunition, as well as conducting an investigation to establish who the cargo was intended for," the press service of the Coast Guard said. It is also noted that in the past, the ship was used for drug smuggling.

    At the same time, Iranian media have reported that Saudi-sponsored dihadists should have been arms recipients. Allegedly, 280 citizens of Egypt and Libya were also on board the ship.

    Press TV reports that the weapons were supposed to be unloaded in the Al Hamidiya area of ​​Tartus. If the agency’s information is true, this means that part of the strategic port, which is the only base of the Russian Navy in foreign countries, is held by rebels.
  • voliador
    voliador 12 November 2013 19: 40
    0
    This is reminiscent of what was happening in Russia in the 90s, the only difference is that this is, in fact, the theft of weapons legitimized by the authorities.
  • Near bird
    Near bird 12 November 2013 23: 49
    0
    What war POLICY, both things are vile (c)
    The game CHINA ... Yanokovych pulls Ukraine into regression
    Very sorry for the people.
    On this article Perishing Europe. How demographics and immigration became geopolitical weapons scary to assume what will happen to Ukraine