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Patriotism and the logic of things

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Each living creature has a foundation, which is not only the physical shell, but also the common spiritual heritage (we assign here the semantic framework of the society in which we coexist), and also the particular — the soul. It does not matter at all what each of us dreams of, building our own understanding and worldview, but it’s more than difficult to put all the sensations on the shelves of consciousness and create at least a ghostly illusion of some form of a vertical scale of values!


For some, patriotism can become part of their life only when their personal space is affected, interfering with their habitual way of life. For others, it can border on their compassion and sensitivity not only to their own, but also to other people's feelings of discomfort. Still others are insurgents from birth, seeking to get involved in any war, just to feel overwhelming adrenaline, running through the veins faster and faster, driving the heart muscles in time trouble. But, sitting in a calm atmosphere, simply analyzing past events, the thinking person begins to turn on the "later ignition", gradually realizing those seemingly completely absurd decisions that force the Mrs. History show a different perspective than we would like then - at that very moment when we ourselves, personally created this very story!

Sometimes we become simple witnesses who have received far from an objectively existing picture, which means considering the reality through the prism of their own wretchedness, callousness or, on the contrary, sensitivity, which makes us see only what we want to revel in with our bright feelings. And since a thinking stick is needed for a thinking person, this becomes a negative: events that compel you to empathize, to seek to find a way out of the current impasse, are problems. Some may be content with purely emotional states. Someone goes further, either aggravating the situation with their actions, or vice versa - completely quenching anger and pain, distracting on the global chain of events, as a result of which there appears an understanding and awareness of the situation that has happened, which is actually an insignificant knot that connected events parents who gave life to a new consciousness.

The most important thing is that it is very difficult to convey the meaning of what is happening to those who revel in feelings and sensations. They blindly follow the previous course, not wanting to look at the situation they could have avoided - if they would have thought for a moment earlier!

So, at the time of clarifying attitudes towards current events in society, many are guided primarily by the purely social framework of values, morality, rights, and ethics. At the same time, completely losing sight of the areas of human activity in which the "conflict of interests" arose. This can be clearly seen on the example of military service and the attitude of the civilian population to the tragic events of 2000 of the year when the Kursk sank submarine sank. Certainly, relatives of sailors with a sunken submarine could not contain the emotional strain that plagued any logical arguments with their grief (for example, that the sailors were in the service of the Fatherland, which means that at any moment there could be a likelihood of a military conflict using serious weapons on board the boat And in this situation, no one guaranteed a favorable outcome of events. Or maybe it happened like that ?! Also, the fact that “ordinary people from the street” cannot serve on a nuclear submarine is forgotten! nye multiple tests and situations of war, which was entrusted nuclear facilities, not to mention the armed boat itself, which stores a variety of military secrets and secrets).

I have one acquaintance sailor who served on the submarine. He is a nuclear physicist. Once he forgot to remove the wedding ring, entering the hall with a nuclear submarine reactor. After this incident, he was removed from the submarine in the first port, making such an entry in the military ID that this would-be military man now has the right to work not with fusion reactors, but with sockets in which there can be nothing but 220 volts!

Remembering the 2000 events of the year, one may ask: what could the country's leadership do? Give objective information, thanks to which the civilian population would learn about the conflict of the three countries and the possible scuffle in the depths of the sea, at any moment ready to lead the world to another war? Or try to "portray" peace of mind, in order to avoid war, but to sacrifice a crew in which a person could surely be found, ready, again, under a special emotional state, to tell the world about how and who sank the nuclear submarine? And what willpower is needed for those who took the decision about the fate of a team that sacrificed itself for the sake of peace? This cannot be called a sin, for the death of some saved the lives of millions of civilians! Are they aware of this? Hardly!
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  1. makarov
    makarov 13 November 2013 07: 22
    +5
    1. The material can be directly called an APPEAL to ... by its conciseness, brevity, method of communication for the reader, - an assessment of 5 +.
    2. The author either knows something and does not agree, or guesses about something (suggests) and again does not agree.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 13 November 2013 07: 31
      +4
      Quote: makarov
      2. The author either knows something and does not agree, or guesses about something (suggests) and again does not agree.

      If you knew who the Keeper is, it would be possible to draw conclusions, and so request This is the opinion of a man, of whom there are millions in the boarding school.
      1. makarov
        makarov 13 November 2013 08: 13
        0
        "If they knew who the Guardian is, it would be possible to draw conclusions, and so This is the opinion of a person, of whom there are millions in the open spaces of the boarding school."

        SW Alexander! Judging by what you have stated, this assessment can be safely applied to all materials signed by the authors using a pseudonym.
        Forgive me, but then your conclusion is akin to "Polykhaev's gutta-percha".
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 13 November 2013 08: 46
          0
          Quote: makarov
          You, this assessment can be safely applied to all materials signed by the authors using a pseudonym.

          Not really, someone we know and someone not. In this case, I have no idea who the author is, who works and where he lives. What should I conclude? By the way, below in the article koment seems to be a submariner. Read it here -alex20081308. He noticed koi of which hi
      2. Asgard
        Asgard 13 November 2013 08: 34
        14
        Who is the "author" ???
        He calls for lies for the peace of millions!?!?
        He considers the death of People - statistically (100 people DIED - millions survived (hypothetically))!?!?
        Its constructions do not differ in logic ..... This article is similar to a puzzle in mathematics, where meaningless arithmetic operations come to the "known result"))))
        The episode with the ring is a confirmation))))

        Article minus (although I like to put them)))
        Wait, we need the TRUTH, People’s tears will never cost more than gold ... And People should ALWAYS BE SAVED, ditch the veins and not be afraid that someone will say something .....
        And the guys on the "Kursk" were drowned ...... "Karma" is hanging in limbo, and it is constantly "gaining WEIGHT" and the wires of lies WHEN they cannot hold it)))
        EVERYTHING WILL COLLAPSE, IT'S POSSIBLE -THE SWALLOWING YOURSELF THE WHOLE WORLD ........

        AUTHOR BORROW, and the scribble attempt to tie another support posting to the weights of fate.
        Forgive us guys who died through the fault of the "dwarfs" for "power" -lzhi ......
        Remember them, they will remain in our memory REAL HEROES
        1. bolonenkov
          bolonenkov 13 November 2013 14: 29
          -3
          Quote: Asgard
          And the guys on the Kursk were drowned ...... "

          Where is your information from? There are many versions, but they are all based on assumptions and different arguments, no one denies that the Kursk is a boat in troubled water, but you write that
          Quote: Asgard
          Its constructions do not differ in logic ..... This article is similar to a problem in mathematics, where meaningless arithmetic operations come to the "known result"

          although your arguments in favor of the theory "KURSK was sunk by the Americans, and ours did not save it on purpose" or any other will be the same attempts to pull facts or speculation to a "known result"
          1. Asgard
            Asgard 13 November 2013 15: 22
            +4
            Well, firstly, I live 350 km from Vidyaevo ...
            Secondly, a good friend of mine drowned on the boat, graduated from the Bonch Institute with me .... I still communicate with sailors ....
            Thirdly - This is my photo in LJ ..... (click))
            1. bolonenkov
              bolonenkov 13 November 2013 16: 05
              -3
              Quote: Asgard
              Well, firstly, I live 350 km from Vidyaevo ...
              Secondly, a good friend of mine drowned on the boat, graduated from the Bonch Institute with me .... I still communicate with sailors ....
              Thirdly - This is my photo in LJ ..... (click))


              I actually really grieve over the death of more than a hundred wonderful guys, because they were the pride of the fleet and the whole country.

              But all three points that you have given do not stretch to assert with certainty about the veracity of this or that "theory".

              I repeat once again that the death of Kursk is a very strange story that raises a huge number of questions and speculations. But we learn the truth in 50 years, from the original suicide note
              Captain Kolesnikov or other sources, possibly at the Pentagon.
  2. Valery Neonov
    Valery Neonov 13 November 2013 07: 29
    +2
    hi Especially everyone perceives Madam History in our time as presented to her (History). And hence the erroneous conclusions regarding certain events, especially for young people.
    Today I grabbed a report about how in some universities the freshmen were tested for residual school knowledge and it turned out that former students know well: mathematics, physics and chemistry, but as far as the humanities are concerned, HISTORY, LITERATURE, here is simply KARAUL ... What Anglo-Saxons prescribed, is not it ... ... no matter how sad it is to admit. hi
  3. Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 13 November 2013 07: 30
    +4
    I have one acquaintance sailor who served on the submarine. He is a nuclear physicist. Once he forgot to remove the wedding ring, entering the hall with a nuclear submarine reactor. After this incident, he was removed from the submarine in the first port, making such an entry in the military ID that this would-be military man now has the right to work not with fusion reactors, but with sockets in which there can be nothing but 220 volts!

    fool
    And what did the author want to say?
    1. Valery Neonov
      Valery Neonov 13 November 2013 07: 53
      +2
      That he has one familiar sailor, a nuclear physicist, and he violated safety precautions! winked
      1. Hudo
        Hudo 13 November 2013 07: 58
        +6
        Quote: Valery Neon
        That he has one familiar sailor, a nuclear physicist, and he violated safety precautions! winked

        The former, Valery, the former! Former sailor, former physicist, former nuclear scientist ... Another victim of the woman's lamentations, they say does not wear a wedding ring - that means he does not like. Maybe this is the author himself?
        1. Valery Neonov
          Valery Neonov 13 November 2013 11: 31
          +2
          ++. So I chew so deeply and did not try to "dig in", but the mulberries won ...
          Quarrel in the family. Wife pounds husband. Unhappy huddled under the bed.
          The wife is trying to get him with a mop:
          - Get out!
          -I won’t get out.
          - Get out !!
          -I won’t get out.
          - Get out !!!
          -Who is the head in this house?! He said I won’t get out, so I won’t get out !!!
          hi
      2. Doctor Evil
        Doctor Evil 13 November 2013 10: 54
        +2
        Sauron's ring was meant, which had to be destroyed by throwing it into a thermonuclear reactor standing in the hall on the Mordor submarine. The acquaintance did not, for which he received an entry in the military card. New series of The Lord of the Rings? what
    2. Andrey from Tver
      Andrey from Tver 13 November 2013 08: 59
      +8
      A nuclear physicist on a nuclear submarine? I have not heard of such a position. And about the "hall" with the nuclear submarine reactor, too, did not hear (compartment, probably). Remove from board "in the first port". Nuclear submarines do not enter ports, there are bases for them. The entry in the military ID - is he a conscript? What entry in which section of the military ID can be made, which so restricts the rights to work with equipment?
  4. Neighbor
    Neighbor 13 November 2013 07: 31
    +2
    It turns out that now the precedent is created and the probable adversary, when he discovers a submarine, is entitled to drown it?
  5. Sterlya
    Sterlya 13 November 2013 07: 38
    +2
    I also thought about these issues. not quite everything.
    just as an example. Stalin is reproached in all corners for making certain decisions. not taking into account all the circumstances of the adoption of a decision. but think about what you would do. and what the consequences would be. hardly anyone thinks sooner.
  6. borisjdin1957
    borisjdin1957 13 November 2013 07: 38
    +5
    from the Don.
    I didn’t understand, but what does patriotism have to do with it?
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 13 November 2013 07: 42
      +3
      Quote: borisjdin1957
      I didn’t understand, but what does patriotism have to do with it?

      Well, what does it have to do with it, you don’t see in the photo to the article the weights are painted in the colors of our flag. Isn't that patriotic? laughing
    2. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 13 November 2013 12: 50
      +4
      Quote: borisjdin1957
      I didn’t understand, but what does patriotism have to do with it?

      Well then ... laughing

      The author even allegorically but quite clearly states that it is not worth making a complaint to Mr. Putin, since this is very unpatriotic - this is the author’s patriotism.
  7. major071
    major071 13 November 2013 07: 48
    +5
    The most important thing is that it is very difficult to convey the meaning of what is happening to those who revel in feelings and sensations. They blindly go the same course, not wanting to look at the situation that they could avoid

    I don’t see anything, I don’t hear anything, I don’t say anything.
  8. ZU-23
    ZU-23 13 November 2013 07: 53
    0
    Normal such an opinion, personally with my where not much coincides)))
  9. GHG
    GHG 13 November 2013 07: 55
    +3
    I have one familiar sailor who served on the nuclear submarine. He is a nuclear physicist. Once he forgot to remove his wedding ring, entering the hall with the nuclear submarine. After this incident, he was removed from the submarine on the very first port, having made such a note on a military card that this unfortunate military man now has the right to work not with thermonuclear reactors, but with sockets in which there can be nothing but 220 volts!

    What is the point of this action? What are the rules that don’t wear a ring when entering the compartment (???) with a reactor? If only when recharging the core? Your friend is just an ordinary liar.
    1. Volkhov
      Volkhov 13 November 2013 08: 22
      +5
      Thermonuclear reactors have strong magnetic alternating fields and the ring on the finger can heat up, only the boat should be German, they kicked him out as a bad Aryan and sent him to Russia to develop a mess ... he arrived, but there are no thermonuclear reactors and he had to do a mess in his head.
      1. Hort
        Hort 5 December 2013 12: 15
        0
        from it, it turns out that thermonuclear reactors are already on boats!
  10. Mikhail m
    Mikhail m 13 November 2013 07: 57
    +4
    The truth is not to kill and not to hide. And to declare that people are just bargaining pawns in a big game, only a scoundrel can.
    1. Hudo
      Hudo 13 November 2013 08: 03
      0
      Quote: Mikhail M
      . And to declare that people are just bargaining pawns in a big game, only a scoundrel can.


      To declare openly is stupid, but ...
      “He wrote the letter in the order, and someone died. He spent a centimeter on the map, and someone died. He shouted “press” to the regiment commander, “but you have to shout, the situation requires, and someone has died ...” (c) K.M.Simonov “Soldiers are not born.”
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 13 November 2013 08: 15
      +1
      Quote: Mikhail M
      And to declare that people are just bargaining pawns in a big game, only a villain can

      But is this not so in our life?
  11. alex20081308
    alex20081308 13 November 2013 08: 02
    +7
    = I have one familiar sailor who served on the nuclear submarine. He is a nuclear physicist. Once he forgot to remove his engagement ring, entering the hall with the nuclear submarine. After this incident, he was removed from the submarine on the very first port, having made such a note on a military card that this unfortunate military man now has the right to work not with thermonuclear reactors, but with sockets in which there can be nothing but 220 volts! =
    This is the passage. It turns out that we have halls with a reactor on the nuclear submarine. And our boats go to any ports and there they are removed from the ship (I wonder who ???). And interse how the engagement ring interferes with working with the reactor ??? It is really not recommended to wear rings and jewelry on the boat (clever commanders forbid), although none This has not been established by the governing documents, but only on the basis that the chain or ring can catch in the cramped compartments for any mechanism that will lead to injury.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 13 November 2013 08: 18
      0
      Quote: alex20081308
      This is the passage. It turns out that we have reactor halls on the submarine

      Maybe control of the reactor means, the reactor itself is shut down at the plant and no one else will ever go there.
      Quote: alex20081308
      And our boats call at any ports and there they are removed from the ship (I wonder who ???)

      Somehow, the citizens of Russia, it’s not about the Hudson’s speech wassat
  12. Stinger
    Stinger 13 November 2013 08: 03
    +3
    It is hard to understand a mysterious author. So the words from the song are asked:
    "You tell me, you tell me, what do you need, what do you need
    Maybe I'll give, maybe I'll give you what you want "
    1. Volkhov
      Volkhov 13 November 2013 08: 31
      +1
      He needs to prepare the psychological ground for the inevitability of incomprehensible victims of sailors.
  13. a.hamster55
    a.hamster55 13 November 2013 08: 08
    +3
    Well, again, they pulled on the sick person and self-digging and the search for meaning will begin ... We are RUSSIAN - peaceful people and our motto should be - "Whoever comes to Us with an ax (Tomahawk) will leave with an ax in his ass"
  14. Doctor Evil
    Doctor Evil 13 November 2013 08: 26
    +4
    "I have one familiar sailor who served on the nuclear submarine. He is a nuclear physicist ... this unfortunate military man now has the right to work not with thermonuclear reactors, but with sockets in which there can be nothing but 220 volts! "Well, wow! What boats do we have THERMONUCLEAR reactors on ???
  15. Grbear
    Grbear 13 November 2013 09: 43
    +5
    To the author (-) in karma.
    Demagogy with elements of narcissism (narcissism) and information from the OGG service (One Citizen Spoke).

    A good education does not guarantee the appearance of a working mind.
  16. pv1005
    pv1005 13 November 2013 10: 45
    +3
    "ordinary people from the street" cannot serve on a nuclear submarine!

    And where do they get to serve on a submarine? From the palace? Our army and navy are de facto workers and peasants.
  17. pv1005
    pv1005 13 November 2013 10: 45
    +1
    "ordinary people from the street" cannot serve on a nuclear submarine!

    And where do they get to serve on a submarine? From the palace? Our army and navy are de facto workers and peasants.
  18. Armata
    Armata 13 November 2013 11: 03
    +4
    Patriotism is primarily about caring for your people. the basis of any country is its people. The author is simply Human-Different Morally Omitted, if he has the conscience to write such things. Personally, my understanding of a patriot is, first of all, not hide-and-seek and excuses of the master, but the identification and elimination of shortcomings that are in the master's estate. There is such an old statement of our constructor gene: "The strong seeks the reasons, and the weak the excuse." Let's be strong already and not hide behind loud words. As for the Kursk, I feel sorry for the peasants and their families, but if everything happens again tomorrow, what will we look for an excuse again? Or, finally, we will find and eliminate the cause after the first case.
  19. Sergey Medvedev
    Sergey Medvedev 13 November 2013 11: 17
    +5
    The author, very awkwardly, tried to shield Putin for his silence about the drowned Kursk. Maybe it was necessary to remain silent, I do not know all the layouts, but it was necessary to answer in any case. Silently find and drown that submarine (either English or American). Something had to be DONE!
    1. optimist
      optimist 13 November 2013 19: 45
      +3
      Quote: Sergei Medvedev
      The author, very awkwardly, tried to shield Putin for his silence about the drowned Kursk. Maybe it was necessary to remain silent, I do not know all the layouts, but it was necessary to answer in any case. Silently find and drown that submarine (either English or American). Something had to be DONE!

      That's it!!! The author just with the help of this opus is trying to once again lick the "Siberian Crane" in the ass, hiding behind the famous "Lie to Salvation". But, as you know, one lie pulls a string of others. And now, for 13 long years, this ebnovsky perdysh has only been doing something to crack like a scabby dog ​​... The nonsense began his "reign", - with nonsense and ends ...
  20. alone
    alone 13 November 2013 19: 19
    +1
    I read the article. A lot of words, no specifics, the plot from the OBS cycle. I immediately remembered the speech of the humpback at the party congress))
  21. c3r
    c3r 15 November 2013 02: 44
    0
    The author is a simple provocateur. Take your hands off the heroes.
  22. Keeper
    15 November 2013 19: 03
    +1
    Good day to all. Guardian: a professional psychologist, analyst, a fairly sane and patriotic person who does not kick himself in the chest. If you consider the proposal to weigh the pros and cons as a provocation, then I am very sorry! For martyrdom is a "stop one-two" drill, and not a conversation of people on quite serious topics!
    Thanks to the wisdom of the Guardians, many facts in the History of the human race are not noticeable to ordinary people who consider themselves experts in a particular field. Many secrets have long been on the surface, and only a dull thick perception does not allow them to realize.
    Valery Neonov, I am glad to see you at this pleasant and very hot forum. Quite often visited the site and read articles. I decided to register.
    As for all those who suddenly combed their hands - exhale, guys! I am for Mother Russia, because I continue to work for the good of my Country in the civil service, including ... Sometimes it’s worth reading and thinking about what has been read without the prism of feelings and emotions. Thanks to the Void in Consciousness, we learn and accept reality ... Objective and multifaceted ...
    1. Asgard
      Asgard 15 November 2013 19: 12
      +1
      Yes, for heaven’s sake)))
      Patriots need the Motherland, maybe the priorities and directions to the goal will somehow change in my head ....
      The article with "weights" left a depressing impression (we will write off for the first time)))
      and not overOriginal))))
      Quote: Keeper
      an analyst, a rather sensible and patriotic person who does not hit his heel in the chest.

      It was already superfluous, but well, we beg you ...
      I put a minus for the article, for this post + (in advance))))))
  23. Keeper
    15 November 2013 19: 27
    +1
    Forgive Asgard, but I didn’t put the weights, but a moderator who skips the articles! I didn’t want to offend anyone, and even more so those who are no longer with us ((if you can ask the moderators of this site - remove the weights. Let it be empty ...
  24. Keeper
    16 November 2013 17: 33
    0
    Quote: Mechanic
    Patriotism is primarily about caring for your people. the basis of any country is its people. The author is simply Human-Different Morally Omitted, if he has the conscience to write such things. Personally, my understanding of a patriot is, first of all, not hide-and-seek and excuses of the master, but the identification and elimination of shortcomings that are in the master's estate. There is such an old statement of our constructor gene: "The strong seeks the reasons, and the weak the excuse." Let's be strong already and not hide behind loud words. As for the Kursk, I feel sorry for the peasants and their families, but if everything happens again tomorrow, what will we look for an excuse again? Or, finally, we will find and eliminate the cause after the first case.

    Uv. Mechanic. Morally lowered people have a different mindset. I can rather be a terrible bastard, a man-hater, a scumbag and a cannibal, but in no case omitted, because I touched upon completely different sides of the tragedy (people take an oath and serve their homeland. Sometimes they die, and I don't want to be repeated, but such is the service to the Motherland ! And it doesn't matter what task they performed: washed the floors or peeled potatoes when they were "covered")!

    As for patriotism - it cannot be always and everywhere the same color: for a soldier - they have not given a command a step back, for a strategist - you can sacrifice less in order to protect more, for ideologists - the process leading to a longer co-existence is important, for mere mortals should be nothing more important than life !!!

    Nobody shields the master, because the master is simply not there! There is a higher person who knows more, sees further and calculates moves much more objectively than the lower ones (on this factor of the pyramid this human society is built all over the world! If you want to fix it, start with yourself! And the first thing to take into account is that When reading any "not your own article", you must see the measure and strive to see exactly the line that the author wants to show, and not the eyes "rolled out" on the forehead and the dull desire to fight "for our guys" who knew where they went to serve "your mother "!

    Read the article again and understand that the conversation is not about "stupid" patriotism, but the logic of things!

    Patriot - This is a Person who takes the priority of his moral values ​​the spiritual values ​​of the whole country, and not a handful of people, people, leadership, individual society! If you do not agree - put me a damn minus under this post ...