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Livia: “... there is no salvation anywhere”

The inability of the so-called Libyan authorities, who replaced the “Gaddafi regime”, to manage not only the country, but at least individual regions, led to chaos and the actual split of the state’s territory. Areas of Libya are controlled by militant groups, which Western journalists prefer to refer to as “rebels”. These people, the current government still persuades to go to the public service (that is, the army). But who will serve the government, which has neither authority, nor political experience, nor serious repressive machinery? "Rebels" prefer to defend their own interests with their own forces. As for the locals, who are suffering as a result of constant attacks and exchanges of fire between the factions, they believe that Libya has become Somalia.

According to various media reports, militants from Misurata, the city where Muammar Gaddafi’s former opponents were concentrated, invaded Tripoli on November 10 in Tripoli. The attack immediately consolidated those groups that control Tripoli. At the head of those who repulse newcomers is the Suk al-Jumaa group. On both sides - several dead, wounded. There are information about several dozen affected civilians.

Militants from Misrata broke into Tripoli in jeeps. Machine guns and machine guns are far from all that they and their opponents were armed with. In the course were launched grenade launchers, mortars and even anti-aircraft guns. Aliens from Misrata, as the media writes, came to avenge their commander.

The words of one resident of Tripoli leads the channel "Euronews":

“Unfortunately, the army cannot protect us, ordinary people. Our houses, apartments are under constant shelling, there is nowhere to be saved ... This is no longer Libya, this is Somalia ... You see, it is starting again, and we are forced to live in such a situation and fear for our lives. ”

Some details about the collision of groups to the correspondent "Voices of Russia" Al-Kazem Al-Zinati, an eyewitness from Tripoli, told an eye to Naowaf Ibrahim.

“A fierce battle took place in Tripoli between armed groups from Misurata and Souq al-Jumaa.” As a result of these battles, the Suk Al-Jumaa factions seized the headquarters of the armed brigades Misurata, killed one of the leaders of their factions, 4 residential buildings and one hotel completely destroyed. Misurata’s armed groups are completely expelled from Tripoli. ”

As for the population of Tripoli, almost all people living in the city center, fled to the outskirts.

From the government, from his army - absolutely no sense.

“They were completely absent and continue to be absent. Residents tried to call law enforcement agencies as soon as the first skirmishes between the factions began, but there was no reaction, no one arrived. There is still no official statement of the authorities, no one called for calm. It seems that the government does not see what is happening in Tripoli ... "

He told the journalist and that is the city of Misurata.

“... is a country in the country. There money flows in a wide stream. MP Salah Badi, who is a resident of Misurata, is responsible for all events. He has repeatedly helped prevent the authorities from attempting to launch an official investigation into what is happening in Misrata. In October 2011, he himself, along with the Misurata factions, was present when the latter massacred Bani Walid, and endorsed this, citing the fact that the inhabitants of Bani Walid interfere with the democratization of the country. ”

The fighting in Tripoli is only one side of the very “democratization” that befell Libya with the murder of Colonel Gaddafi.

Livia: “... there is no salvation anywhere”

Recently it became known that representatives of one of the rebel movements in eastern Libya took control of several oil ports and even announced the creation of their own oil company. He writes about it RIA News" with reference to Reuters.

Last Friday, a rebel group seized the port of Tobruk in the east - the very one through which the National Oil Corporation supplies oil to Europe. A number of other oil ports were also captured.

According to one of the leaders of the rebels, the movement in the seized ports stopped the shipment of "black gold" to state tankers. The rebels said they would set up their own oil company with headquarters in Tobruk.

If the militia continue to block the operation of oil facilities, Libya could face a budget crisis. This was stated by the Prime Minister of the North African state, Ali Zeidan, reports correspondent ITAR-TASS Pervin Mamed-zade.

“The country's budget is based on revenues from oil revenues,” the head of government recalled. “But next month or in a month, there may be problems with the execution of expenditure items.”

Zeidan said that the authorities gave the strikers 7-10 days to stop blocking the fields and seaports.

“Otherwise, we will take action,” he said.

Paradoxically, the coming to Libya of the so-called democracy, which, as many believe, the NATO states introduced there for the sake of oil, reduced the production of "black gold" in the country by about 90%. Moreover, oil is often controlled by the very rebels, and now the “militiamen” who fought against Gaddafi in 2011. If earlier these people were unhappy with the redistribution of national wealth, then today they are ready to weapons in the hands of these riches "grab". And the fragile state power is hardly able to scare them. Rather, they may scare the government.

West bombed stable Libya - what now? Chief Researcher at the Institute of Oriental Studies, RAS, Professor Anatoly Yegorin said "Voice of Russia"that Western states should urgently develop a roadmap to save Libya.

“Now Western countries should urgently take measures, hold some kind of conference in order to reassure Libya so that it would be a federal state, and not split into pieces. Now there is absolutely uncontrollable environment. ”

According to the expert, the plan of assistance to Libya will stretch over several years. It is necessary to hold a conference inside the country, the purpose of which is to improve the interaction of the tribes. Needed and humanitarian assistance.

Once, the West promised to give 10 billions of dollars to restore Libya. And where are these billions? But is up to billions now, for example, to Obama, who is waiting for the next budget struggle with the republican part of the Congress already in January of 2014?

Maybe something will solve the UN? No, it will not solve anything.

A year and a half ago, the UN Security Council held a meeting on Libya. Special Envoy of the UN Secretary-General Ian Martin рассказалthat Libya is moving towards democracy. He described the registration of voters and candidates for membership in the National Congress (May 2012) as “another positive signal indicating that Libya is moving towards democracy.” True, Martin had to add that the freedom gained was accompanied by an escalation of local conflicts.

Ian Martin also noted that approximately 60-70 thousands of former revolutionaries were interim authorities registered as members of the Security Council, a temporary body providing unified command of the revolutionary brigades and a kind of reserve for the national army.

In what the venture with democracy turned out, after a year and a half is clearly visible. You do not need to be a rocket scientist in order to understand where Libya led the "positive signal". As for the escalation of local conflicts mentioned above, they resulted in a real permanent war between well-armed groups. Other groups meanwhile “privatize” the oil, which the gentlemen “foreign investors” once hoped for. The government is not able to control "former revolutionaries" who are not going to become someone else's "reserve".

Well, the question of weapons.

A few days ago, Russia did a good job - it drew the attention of the United Nations to the problem of the proliferation of Libyan weapons.

Russia has drawn the attention of the Security Council to the problem of uncontrolled weapons in Libya. On this 4 November told reporters the permanent representative of the Russian Federation to the UN Vitaly Churkin, reports correspondent RIA "Novosti" Ivan Zakharchenko.

The fact is that in October, the Times published a report that an abandoned warehouse was found in southern Libya, in the desert at Sabha, and in the warehouse were 4000 missiles of MANPADS and 6000 barrels of uranium concentrate.

Comrade Churkin said: "We drew the attention of the secretariat to this, asked to ask questions to the leadership of the UN mission in Libya, said that we would raise this issue at the consultations in the UN Security Council, which was done." “The discussion was very specific, and there are concrete results: we aimed the mission in Libya to deal with this issue,” the permanent representative noted.

"The discussion once again showed that there are no end of problems, including the concern that Libya is the source of the proliferation of weapons throughout the region and beyond, as well as materials related to the possibility of producing weapons of mass destruction," added Churkin.

Problems no end ... It is said right. And the creator of these problems is well known to everyone: it is the one who welcomed the "Arab Spring". This is the one who profited from the bombings under the slogan "democratization". The one whom only Russia kept when he was going to fuck with "Tomahawks" on Syria, defying all the decisions of the UN Security Council and relying on his own "exclusivity." To the very exclusivity that Secretary of State John Kerry recently interpreted as follows: "We help others without demanding anything in return, and this is exceptional."

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  1. Strashila
    Strashila 12 November 2013 07: 54
    The situation in Libya ... lack of power ... ??? and with whom she will be frightened, those who came to power on the bayonets of mercenaries and a foreign army will not command respect among those living in the country. It's just a confirmation that the Libyan army under the leadership of Gaddafi was repelling external aggression, and did not fight with its own "people". The same events are taking place in Syria.
    1. Sterlya
      Sterlya 12 November 2013 08: 24
      Bedouins have not yet reached the level of development to have a full-fledged country. considering that they destroyed what was available with the filing of the "democratizers". what else is there for them to create something. especially with the help of the west
    2. Bort radist
      Bort radist 12 November 2013 08: 32
      Quote: Strashila
      The same events occur in Syria.

      An interesting movie, look no where to stick on the topic, his name was Abu Abdullah.
      1. uhjpysq1
        uhjpysq1 12 November 2013 18: 59
        they would be with a mortar now. or ags cover. as heaped up.
    3. alone
      alone 12 November 2013 19: 55
      with what they fought, they ran into it !! everything that happened in Libya, for a long time he comes around.
  2. a52333
    a52333 12 November 2013 07: 58
    "We help others without requiring anything in return, and that is exceptional."
    No, I'm just wondering, but he doesn't hiccup while uttering grandiloquent words? It would be better to have adopted Chernomyrdin's quote: "they wanted the best ........"
    1. timer
      timer 13 November 2013 00: 07
      He doesn’t hiccup. Instead of Chernomyrdin’s words, he should have told him the following: -We are such bastards that we will do what and wherever. And no one will give us a decree.
  3. Same lech
    Same lech 12 November 2013 08: 02
    Once the West promised to give $ 10 billion to restore Libya.
    I’m shocked - the West never gives such money to the natives.
    And if it gives then it will select ten times more first.
  4. makarov
    makarov 12 November 2013 08: 11
    I can’t call the killed Kadaffi the ideal ruler, but with him the SOCIAL SPHERE was at its best. And it was in this industry MANY countries that it was possible and necessary to equal it. And the LIVIA PEOPLE needed to fight against the adversaries not for Kadaffi, but for their social security and stability. And since they did not understand then, they are reaping the fruits of their indifference.
    1. Polovec
      Polovec 12 November 2013 08: 42
      When the United States started this defeat of a prosperous country, it was precisely this goal that they achieved. The Arab Spring is a special operation to plunge the entire region into chaos. And the reason can even be called the fact that the natives do not speak English, therefore they do not have the opportunity to be imbued with the ideas of the greatest American democracy.
      And the Saudis will answer for their jackal howls in full and as it seems pretty soon. Americans merge them and do not think.
      1. apostrophe
        apostrophe 12 November 2013 09: 28
        Quote: Polovec
        And the Saudis will answer for their jackal howls in full and as it seems pretty soon. Americans merge them and do not think.

        It may be so, but sometimes it seems that the whole quarrel between the United States and the Saudis is played out specifically so that the states would distance themselves from their participation in the war in Syria.
    2. Mikhail3
      Mikhail3 12 November 2013 14: 56
      The people of Libya under Gaddafi was ... bored. A lot of interviews were where it erupted. So you should not feel sorry for these people - they are still having fun. Well have fun, guys, and more ...
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  6. predator.3
    predator.3 12 November 2013 08: 47
    Once the West promised to give $ 10 billion to restore Libya. And where are these billions?

    It’s interesting, where are now those billions that were in the accounts of the Gaddafi family (something about 34 billion), and other assets of Libya? Have Sarkozy & Company been communicated out of the blue?

    On November 7, militants from Misurata, the city where former opponents of Muammar Gaddafi were concentrated, invaded Tripoli. The attack immediately consolidated those groups that control Tripoli. At the head of those who repel the aliens is the Suk al-Jumaa group.

    Well, the real walk-field of Old Man Makhno in the Arabic manner!
    MIKHAN 12 November 2013 08: 52
    Gaddafi will be remembered for a long time just like the Iraqis of Saddam .. They deceived the people, looted the bombs and forgot .. Throwing them to finishing off all the bandits and scum ..
    1. makarov
      makarov 12 November 2013 12: 36
      To take away freedom from the people, you just need to entrust it to the people.
  8. The gentleman
    The gentleman 12 November 2013 09: 21
    A year and a half ago, the UN Security Council held a meeting on Libya. Special Envoy of the UN Secretary General Ian Martin said that Libya is moving towards democracy. He described the registration of voters and candidates for members of the National Congress (May 2012) as “another positive signal indicating that Libya is moving towards democracy”these ki believe that since people are going to vote, it means democracy, and the fact that people are cut out like sparrows in China doesn’t bother anyone.
    1. Luger
      Luger 12 November 2013 10: 21
      Yes, about the UN, of course, it’s worth thinking about what needs to be changed, otherwise it looks like a one-goal game.
  9. apostrophe
    apostrophe 12 November 2013 09: 23
    Libya has become another log thrown to the west, in a flaming fire in this region. At the exit, we received even more walking weapons and cannon fodder, which we apparently sought.
  10. andrei332809
    andrei332809 12 November 2013 10: 05
    the news flashed that some Libyans had removed Italy from oil, showed them half a hand. Now, if the Britons with the Yankees and the paddlers are trampled, then the Zapadents will have to establish democracy for the second time in Libya. and if the Saudis don’t give money for bombs? poor Europe is completely confused in its plans and planners. they have everything through ass request
    1. Karlsonn
      Karlsonn 12 November 2013 20: 50
      Quote: andrei332809
      the news flashed that some Libyans had removed Italy from oil, showed them half a hand. Now, if there are still Britons with the Yankees and paddles
  11. Luger
    Luger 12 November 2013 10: 19
    Libya is a vivid example when citizens of the country follow the instigators and their greed, giving out a desire to take power (wealth, influence) from some and take everything for themselves. The same fate awaits any country in our time, maybe somewhere less bloody, somewhere more. There is a struggle for living space and resources, and the lack of unity and assistance to the enemy will turn the country into the same hell as Libya, Afghanistan, Syria, Iraq. One should not even think that there are good Americans and Europeans. Of course, we are the same in Russia, but we don’t even instill democracy, we have enough of our territory, and someone really doesn’t like it (they envy).
  12. Known who
    Known who 12 November 2013 10: 50
    The West does not give a damn about Libya and its people. What the West wanted, it got, and in the appendage it will also receive a dirty nuclear bomb, the import of weapons and militants.
    1. Samy
      Samy 12 November 2013 14: 16
      Very interesting, what did the West want and what did it get? Apart from the colonel's corpse, nothing else ... I did not receive oil, I did not receive power, I did not "introduce" democracy ...
  13. Gorinich
    Gorinich 12 November 2013 11: 31
    Libya frankly sorry, they ruined a prosperous country.
  14. vlad0
    vlad0 12 November 2013 11: 41
    Libya is a prime example of the tragedy of a society that has EVERYTHING. When the war started, more than 80% of the population took an absolutely neutral position. They had everything, and it seemed to them that it would be forever, with or without Gaddafi. Obviously, much has changed in their worldview, but ......
    1. Timur
      Timur 12 November 2013 21: 42
      more than 80% of the population took a completely neutral position

      like us in the USSR :(
  15. Andrey Peter
    Andrey Peter 12 November 2013 13: 50
    Quote: makarov
    . And the LIVIA PEOPLE needed to fight against the adversaries not for Kadaffi, but for their social security and stability. And since they did not understand then, they are reaping the fruits of their indifference.

    The fact is that only Kadaffi had authority and the ability to keep the country from "small clan squabbles." Therefore, they had to take care of him "like the apple of an eye." And no matter how dictator he was, he practically built a socialist state with a fairly high level of development. And you yourself understand that the world crapers really do not like it. Unfortunately, ours did not defend Libya as Syria.
    1. wandlitz
      wandlitz 12 November 2013 21: 02
      Yes, I remember we had a presidency at that time. He stuck his tongue somewhere, will not impose VETO on the decision of the UN Security Council. Now what? No Colonel - no country.
  16. Motors1991
    Motors1991 12 November 2013 16: 45
    Well, where is Pupyrchaty, who recently demanded a link from me, that oil production in Libya fell by 90%? Or is he there in Israel only sees what he needs? They dragged through the country, just like we Union.
    1. makarov
      makarov 12 November 2013 17: 37
      Maybe I jumped to do my own sidebar?
  17. poquello
    poquello 12 November 2013 21: 35
    Nothing good will happen there until new leaders like "Ch" or Castro appear there and start a liberating, unifying revolution. You can't break this mess without an idea and a sword in your hands. Assad in Syria, for example, unites the people in the fight against the zaslanis, in short they lack an authoritative tough leader.
  18. lm_
    lm_ 12 November 2013 22: 45
    Quote: Samy
    what did the West get? Apart from the colonel's corpse, nothing else ... I did not receive oil, I did not receive power, I did not "introduce" democracy ...
    So the goals that the Americans set for themselves are still on the way. The money that is planned to be spent on restoration will be given in exchange for the development of wells and the like. There are probably even longer lasting goals. Visitors to the site themselves can give more examples.
  19. baku1999
    baku1999 12 November 2013 23: 35
  20. hook
    hook 13 November 2013 04: 02
    No they have- "we finished the war, take the overcoat, let's go home" (c) Okudzhava. There are no patriots of the earth - no one will stand up to defend this land. Only for US money.
  21. Sanyht
    Sanyht 13 November 2013 08: 16