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Energy front: scramble for the Great Eastern Pipe and the output of the Nord Stream at full capacity

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The past week was not rich in any specific events or decisions. But there were several generalizations: it is to them that we ask to draw the attention of readers.


Energy front: scramble for the Great Eastern Pipe and the output of the Nord Stream at full capacity


Award for the East

Probably the most interesting was the publication of estimates of the profitability of oil exports in various areas. So, according to representatives of Transnfeti, supplies to the east turned out to be more profitable for 5 – 6 dollars from each barrel. The yield was calculated on the so-called netback - the oil prices at the points of sale (Kozmino port in the east and Primorsk / Ust-Luga / Novorossiysk in the west, as well as at the end points of pipeline deliveries) minus export duties and delivery costs. It is not surprising that as a result, oil companies actually began to break into the East Siberia - Pacific Ocean oil pipeline (ESPO). As long as the download is still incomplete, it will be so next year, but it is a matter of time. Connecting new fields is not easy, and the inertia is great here. But not fast and the process of expanding the pipeline. Recall, the capacity of ESPO-1 (from the starting point to Skovorodino, where a branch to China appears) is 50 million tons, and the capacity of ESPO-2 (from Skovorodino to Kozmino port) is 30 million tons. An interesting table (in the first line of a typo - instead of 37,8 should be 87,8) with reference to the data of the same "Transneft" lead "Vedomosti".



According to this forecast, even in 2014, the available volume is enough. But by the year of 2020, the demands of the suppliers will exceed the available capacity even taking into account the planned expansion (ESPO-1 to 80 million tons). Most interestingly, the estimated increase in ESPO supply is moderately associated with the development of East Siberian reserves, and mainly with the involvement of West Siberian oil in transportation to the east. In all likelihood, in the western direction, only long-term supply-related contracts will remain with suppliers, and the volumes of short-term contracts will be transferred to the east. Now Transneft raises the issue of increasing the cost of pumping in the eastern "premium" direction. Even in this case, exports to the east will still be profitable. The extra 10 – 20 dollars per ton that Transneft wants to get is 1,5 – 3 dollars per barrel. The funds received can both be spent on the development of the pipeline itself and directly transferred to the budget.

This is what RIA reports NEWS
"Transneft is proposing to introduce an additional investment and budget component in the tariff for pumping oil through ESPO for the supply of oil for export, a source close to the Ministry of Energy told Prime agency.

"The company says about the upcoming shortage of ESPO capacity and the need to increase it. In this regard, it is advisable to introduce a special additional investment tariff of ESPO, which will be relevant only when exporting oil, respectively, it will not affect inflation in any way," the source said. in this case, the premium can be 10-12 dollars per ton.

Another option could be a surcharge to the tariff in order to simultaneously replenish the budget. "When, for example, 10 dollars will be used to expand the capacity of ESPO and 10 more - to the federal budget in order to develop the Far East," said the source. According to him, such a proposal has just been announced by Transneft, it has not been documented as of today.

Igor Demin, an adviser to the president of Transneft, confirmed in an interview with Prime that the eastern direction of export is “super-premium” for oilmen. According to Transneft, compared with the western direction, the premium here is at least 30 dollars per ton, and sometimes even reaches 50. "We need to build additional pumping stations by 2020, refit existing stations and perform other works totaling 172 billion rubles. Because based on the petroleum company applications, the predicted pumping volume in 80 million tons per year, which we expected in 2030, becomes real in 2020 ", - said Demin.

An alternative way out of this situation, he said, could be the division of volumes between oil companies and the conclusion of intergovernmental agreements. However, Transneft is inclined to the option of increasing the capacity of the pipeline.

In addition, according to the source, during the discussion, suggestions were made to deprive the fields of Eastern Siberia of benefits, which Transneft opposed. The company believes that in this case, the field will no longer develop, and there will be a reversal of cargo flows.
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Euroregulation of energy: there seems to be hints of common sense

Gazprom is increasing its gas exports to the EU. In October, shipments rose by 17% compared with October last year. For comparison, in the first half of the year, shipments grew by 9,6%. That is, it has become very hard to increase EU imports in recent months, and before that I tried to knock out maximum concessions.
Here is what RBC writes about it
"Gazprom in October 2013 increased its exports to Europe by almost 17% compared to the same month last year - to 13,48 billion cubic meters, head of the concern Alexey Miller told reporters." Against the background of a steady increase in Europe’s gas demand, Gazprom is actively building the South Stream.
“The other day we started its construction on the territory of Bulgaria, by the end of the year we will begin construction in Serbia. South Stream is more relevant than ever,” Miller said.
Earlier, Gazprom noted that gas supply by the concern to foreign countries for 9 months 2013g. compared to the same period last year, increased by 15,5% - to 119,4 billion cubic meters. m. In the I half 2013g. 79,5 billion cubic meters were supplied. m (+ 9,6% to the result of the same period last year).

Following 2013g. Gazprom expects growth in exports to non-CIS countries to about 160 billion cubic meters. m against less 140 billion cubic meters. m in 2012g. In 2011 this figure was about 150 billion cubic meters. m

The project to build the South Stream gas pipeline across the Black Sea to the countries of Southern and Central Europe is being implemented by Gazprom in order to diversify natural gas export routes.

Recall that in 2012g. The International Energy Agency (IEA) published the report “The Golden Rules of the Golden Age of Gas”, in which it was noted that in the future Russia would lose the position of leader in gas production and the position of the most important gas supplier. The IEA predicts a decline in the share of Russia and the Middle East in the global gas trade from 45% to 2010. to 35% in 2035.

Major exporters of liquefied gas, according to IEA forecasts, will be the United States and Canada. Vshestero - from 20 billion cubic meters to 2010g. to 120 billion cubic meters in 2035g. - Australia will increase gas exports. Sharply increase the supply of gas in Africa.

All this, according to IEA experts, will allow Europe to achieve lower prices for gas supplied to the region. “Europe will benefit mainly from lower prices for imported gas, which will put pressure on contracts for the supply of traditional gas with the price pegged to the price of oil,” said IEA chief economist Fatih Birol.

It should be noted that the average price for European consumers in October was only 382 dollars per thousand cubic meters.

In an expeditious manner, the beginning of the Nord Stream tests under full load will help to replenish underground storage facilities (the download to which this year began later than usual). The fact is that until recently, there was only one tap from the onshore continuation of a pipe in Germany - the OPAL gas pipeline (capacity - 36 billion cubic meters). Therefore, Nord Stream was doubly unloaded - both because of the Third Energy Package, and because the second branch, the NEL gas pipeline (20 billion cubic meters), was still being completed. Now it is ready, and the European Union issues a temporary permit for full pumping (for the purpose of testing), at the same time solving its own problems in filling the UGS. The situation is almost the same as in March of this year, when Europe did not have enough gas, and - also under the pretext of commissioning - the Nord Stream began to fill OPAL completely, not half. But the main question is what will happen after testing? Will Gazprom achieve the exclusion of OPAL and NEL from the rules of the Third Energy Package? In any case, against the background of the latest demarches of Ukraine - all this is very timely.

So far, the European Commission is once again scaring the Russian monopolist with its anti-monopoly investigation, but prudently decided to publish its results only in the spring.

However, perhaps common sense will appear there. Another interesting news suggests that the EU suddenly began to look not only where it was light (that is, blame Gazprom for all of its problems), but also where it lost (miscalculations in its own energy policy). The other day, Günther Oettinger, the European Commissioner for Energy, said that the European Commission intends to conduct a large-scale study on the problem of reducing the cost of natural gas and electricity.

In addition to the traditional lamentations about the dominance of monopolists and the oil price peg, some problems were formulated by Oettinger quite accurately. The European Commissioner acknowledged that high prices are also associated with subsidy systems: “We want to know what subsidies gas, nuclear and renewable energy has.” It is not difficult to guess that gas and atom are added here for political correctness, and the main problem is in renewable sources. In addition to the objectively high cost of such energy (even if the prices look acceptable, given the subsidies, in fact this is the redistribution of traditional generation revenues in favor of the alternative), there is another problem. Due to the inconstancy of wind and solar generation, traditional electricity suppliers must have spare capacity ready (you can read the details of these topics in detail here). This leads to additional costs, respectively, alternative generation indirectly increases the cost of traditional energy. In addition, Ettinger noted another factor in price growth - the creation of new infrastructure. Let us explain: in an effort to create a competitive environment, the European Union has often built redundant infrastructure (LNG terminals, additional interconnecting gas pipelines). Now all this is idle, but these costs have to be taken into account in the final cost of energy.
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  1. Sterlya
    Sterlya 12 November 2013 06: 38
    18
    all the loafers of Russia are addicted to gas. the feeling that they cannot survive without gas. although there is still oil. sell other raw materials. just not to work.
    In the summer came the gas workers. said the counter is expired. need to change. I thought that it is considered from the day of installation 10 years to change. It turns out from the date of release by the factory the manufacturer is considered.
    so. counter 1500rub.
    for two months they counted the squares of the heated room. June July
    6329 rub. (I have a winter at 40 degrees. Frost max 3000 per month)
    This is taking into account that for these months I paid on the counter. he worked. just expired.
    came in 10 minutes changed. Unscrew the 2 nuts and tighten. 800 rub
    came one sealed. 5 minutes 500rub
    I had to go 3 times to ask for leave from work
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 12 November 2013 06: 51
      -6
      Quote: Sterlya
      all the loafers of Russia are addicted to gas. the feeling that they cannot survive without gas. although there is still oil.

      And that under the USSR we were sitting on something else.
      Quote: Sterlya
      for two months they counted the squares of the heated room. June July
      6329 rub. (I have a winter at 40 degrees. Frost max 3000 per month)

      Firstly, where is it? And secondly, what does the gas have to do with it?
      1. Sterlya
        Sterlya 12 November 2013 07: 12
        16
        Bashkortostan. when the meter is overdue, the gas charge is calculated according to the total volume of the heated rooms. in a private house.
        Incidentally, the insertion into the gas pipeline, holding home, the gas pipeline runs 10 meters. all things that are done in 2-3 hours will cost at least 50 rubles.
        these pipes should be gilded in theory. based on the amount
        1. iulai
          iulai 12 November 2013 08: 50
          11
          Speaking of Bashkortostan, 10 years ago, there was a major accident in the village. Inzer. In many private houses, the heating system froze. They were connected to the boiler room, and there was an accident. At that time I worked as a foreman in "Bashsantekhmontazh", and we were "thrown" to fix accidents. So, for the dismantling and installation of the heating system, 3 people worked all daylight hours, pipes, bends were used, a new boiler was installed, propane oxygen. In general, a lot of materials and a lot of human labor. Gas workers came, in an hour they threw 15 meters of pipes with a diameter of 15 millimeters. And the cost of the work was the same! That the master of gas workers signed 40 thousand rudders in two hours of work, that I, and we worked all day long and with a bunch of expensive materials! Recently, ZHKO robots changed my bathtub (cast-iron), with a rise to the second floor, with demantage of the old one, and so they took 500 rubles. They came from "Gazservice" for the prevention of the gas stove, twisted the handles, also took 500 rubles.
        2. alone
          alone 12 November 2013 19: 11
          0
          belay 10 meter pipe for $ 1600! Amazing! You still check the pipe for the presence of precious metals. There probably is gold and silver. lol
      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 12 November 2013 10: 47
        +2
        It's cool, everyone knows that even in the Soviet Union we drove oil and gas abroad, but still they are minus. What are the cons ??????? laughing
        1. Altair
          Altair 12 November 2013 11: 51
          -6
          Soon hard times may come for Russia.
          Governments around the world continue to think about how to provide energy needs.
          http://www.bbc.co.uk/russian/multimedia/2013/11/131031_thorium_reactor.shtml
          ----
          A thermonuclear reaction involving boron showed an unexpectedly encouraging result.
          http://compulenta.computerra.ru/veshestvo/fizika/10009406/
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 12 November 2013 12: 06
            +4
            Quote: Altair
            Hard times may come for Russia in the near future.

            Oh you already got it, you whisper everything about bad times, but they don’t come laughing
            Russia's response to your thermonuclear reactions tongue
            1. Altair
              Altair 12 November 2013 12: 19
              -1
              And the thorium reactor? (first link)
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 12 November 2013 12: 31
                +3
                Quote: Altair
                And the thorium reactor? (first link)

                Send this link to Latvia laughing
                1. Altair
                  Altair 12 November 2013 12: 40
                  -4
                  They have no technology. Whether the case is the European Union, Britain, USA, Japan.
                  1. Alexander Romanov
                    Alexander Romanov 12 November 2013 12: 50
                    +1
                    Quote: Altair
                    Whether the case is the European Union, Britain, USA, Japan.

                    Well, yes, just as they bought oil, they will buy it laughing
                    1. Altair
                      Altair 12 November 2013 13: 12
                      -2
                      Why then spend money on research? Sawed? wink

                      The benefits of thorium:
                      There is a lot of thorium in the world, it is widespread throughout the globe.
                      In reactors, it has physical and chemical properties that uranium does not have.
                      As a result of use, there is no waste that needs to be stored for a long time.
                      There is advantageous safety differences: when the tsunami struck the nuclear power plant in Fukushima in Japan, the reaction in the uranium reactor went out of control, experts from Norway say that this would not have happened with thorium.
                      1. Alexander Romanov
                        Alexander Romanov 12 November 2013 13: 38
                        +1
                        Quote: Altair
                        There is a lot of thorium in the world, it is widespread throughout the globe.
                        In reactors, it has physical and chemical properties that uranium does not have.

                        There is one problem, the world oil companies do not need it in FIG, but this is business and a lot of money. So ...... there will be no bad times for Russia.
                        R.S I'm sorry that I broke your hopes for the collapse of Russia, but on the other hand .... well, who is easy now wink
                      2. JIaIIoTb
                        JIaIIoTb 12 November 2013 14: 16
                        +2
                        Altair.
                        First, our scientists are involved in all of these studies. Our country will receive the same alternative energy as the west. By the way, our contribution is no less impressive.
                        Secondly. Hydrocarbons are not only used for heating and energy; chemistry is all sitting on them. So do not tell horror stories.
                        We will live well, we will Live.
                        Well, if your main dream is the collapse of Russia. I can’t help with anything. Dream further, because a person cannot live without a dream. Only your dreams are destructive. And they do not bring destructive thoughts to good)))
          2. Curculum
            Curculum 12 November 2013 12: 59
            +1
            Quote: Altair
            Hard times may come for Russia in the near future.

            The mustache is gone! wassat
            But the "revolutionary fruits" have reached the Italians: "The Mellitah oil and gas complex in the suburb of Zuar, located 110 kilometers from Tripoli, has been captured by 50 Berbers. The complex belongs to the Italian company Eni and the Libyan state corporation National Oil Corporation ... As reported by prpedra.ru, On November 8, one of the rebel groups managed to seize the Libyan port of Tobruk, which specializes in transshipment of oil, as well as several other ports. The rebels demanded an end to the shipment of oil to the National Oil Corporation and announced their intention to create their own oil company on the basis of the seized facilities. " - http://pronedra.ru/gas/2013/11/11/berbers-eni/
            And taking into account the information from the article about the increase in exports by "Gazprom" - and who are waiting for "hard times"?
        2. varov14
          varov14 12 November 2013 13: 57
          +2
          So apart from oil and gas and everything else, from a nail to a rocket, we did ourselves.
        3. Algor73
          Algor73 12 November 2013 14: 47
          +1
          Despite the fact that under the USSR everyone worked and the prices were justified. We have gas workers and power engineers (electro). A little bit wrong (especially the counter) - immediately penalties with four zeros. For one grandfather, the meter was not sealed for three years, he called the RES every month, then he arrived and wrote a statement. Arrived, sealed, and a fine of -28 thousand UAH. And most importantly, everything is legal! Where was this during the USSR?
        4. studentmati
          studentmati 12 November 2013 21: 47
          0
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          It's cool, everyone knows that even in the Soviet Union we drove oil and gas abroad, but still they are minus. What are the cons ???????


          More sad than cool ...
      3. rolik
        rolik 12 November 2013 14: 56
        +1
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        And that under the USSR we were sitting on something else.

        I put a plus and a minus was added ... why ???
        I apologize then.
        Why minus Romanov ?? Now everyone squeals about it (meaning democrats, liberals) that the USSR was sitting on an oil needle. More precisely, they squealed until recently. Now, when it is clear that in this regard Russia has already outdone the Union, they suddenly shut up abruptly. But, under the Union, heavy industry and metallurgy were developed. And over the hill, the country sent not only crude oil, but metal, cars, and much more.
        Guys, to be honest, it’s creepy to me, at the thought that if oil is dropped up to 20 dollars, what will happen ??? There will be such an apocalypse that it’s creepy to imagine. The Union could partially offset the fall in prices at the expense of other industries. And then he had a hell of a hard time. How will Russia be able to level such a fall ???
    2. mirag2
      mirag2 12 November 2013 06: 52
      +8
      Almost the same topic with water meters, at first every month for 1 euro (equivalent in rubles) - for what? If it was bought, mine, no service ...
      A year later (or 1.5) - "checking" it-1500r.
      Housing and communal services has not yet adapted, where did the money that used to be free now come from.
      1. AVV
        AVV 12 November 2013 12: 01
        +1
        So, when an office will be responsible for installing meters, checking it, for example, power engineers install and check their meters, then there will be more order, and now house management will shift everything to the population, so for them it’s an additional feeder and will be communal utilities by any means use this resource to fool the population !!!
      2. rolik
        rolik 12 November 2013 16: 32
        0
        Quote: mirag2
        A year later (or 1.5) - "checking" it-1500r

        A strange water meter with an inter-verification interval of 1 year. Look at the meter’s passport, the verification interval and the date of manufacture of the device are clearly indicated there. Intertesting interval is given by the manufacturer, not your housing and communal services. If they say the opposite, go to court. And the monthly payment is also illegal, in all cases - to the court. Our komunalschiki understand only this, well, they also understand the trunk attached to their empty head.
  2. Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 12 November 2013 06: 43
    10
    we sell gas to China, where it costs four times cheaper than for us, ours, here is your "national treasure".
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 12 November 2013 06: 52
      +3
      Quote: Andrey Yurievich
      we sell gas to China, where it costs four times cheaper than for us, ours, here is your "national treasure".

      My brother in Komsomolsk has a gas meter, pays about 30 rubles a month, do you think it’s expensive?
      1. Sterlya
        Sterlya 12 November 2013 07: 19
        +1
        we have 1000 cubes get $ 145 (for now)
      2. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 12 November 2013 08: 17
        +2
        30- this is normal Alexander, but believe me, it’s not everywhere. And how did the brother survive the flood? hi in the autumn, we also warm the apartment with gas, but they generally had a cataclysm ... sad
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 12 November 2013 08: 26
          +1
          Quote: Andrey Yurievich
          30- this is normal Alexander, but believe me, it’s not everywhere. And how did the brother survive the flood?

          He survived normally, he didn’t get to him in the center. Which is not the case with everything, so if there is no meter, well, you’ll pay 70 rubles. I don’t know how private, but apartment buildings are gasified for free.
          1. Andrey Yuryevich
            Andrey Yuryevich 12 November 2013 08: 35
            +3
            Well, it's good that everything is fine ... we have a block of flats, meters are installed, per month from 130 to 150, roughly speaking, it happens-Yekaterinburg. the situation is ambiguous, different districts pay differently, but the region generally has run up ... however, as with the communal apartment as a whole ...
          2. rolik
            rolik 12 November 2013 16: 42
            -1
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            He survived normally, he didn’t get to him in the center. Which is not the case with regards, so if there is no counter, well, will you pay 70 rubles.

            Pay on average, that is, based on a certain number of cubes for each living in an apartment-house.
      3. kind
        kind 12 November 2013 09: 01
        +5
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        My brother in Komsomolsk has a gas meter, pays about 30 rubles a month, do you think it’s expensive?

        Of course it’s not expensive if the consumer is a stove in the apartment, and if the boiler is also very expensive.
        1. demon184
          demon184 12 November 2013 10: 34
          +2
          I have 1200 a month in the heating season in Tatarstan
          1. Andrey Yuryevich
            Andrey Yuryevich 12 November 2013 12: 14
            +1
            no x .... yourself ... belay is it with a boiler huh?
        2. alexng
          alexng 12 November 2013 11: 30
          +1
          Quote: Good
          and if the boiler is also very expensive.


          Well, if you subtract the fee for centralized heating and hot water from a communal apartment, then it will not be expensive for the boiler. Then it is necessary to take into a circular one and the picture will be more adequate.
  3. Kirzhak
    Kirzhak 12 November 2013 06: 49
    +3
    So far, the European Commission is once again scaring the Russian monopolist with its anti-monopoly investigation, but prudently decided to publish its results only in the spring.
    Of course. Who wants to knock their teeth in winter.
  4. Same lech
    Same lech 12 November 2013 07: 05
    +2
    China, South KOREA, JAPAN and other countries in this region can buy an unlimited amount of oil and gas from RUSSIA for their economy.
    Therefore, in any situation with the European consumer, RUSSIA always has an alternative to sell energy resources to consumers that are not so whispering in matters of the right to hehe sexual minorities.
  5. Alikovo
    Alikovo 12 November 2013 07: 10
    +3
    gas and oil products are expensive for their people.
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 12 November 2013 07: 15
      +5
      Taxes need to be torn (and oligarchs want to eat caviar and have gold toilets).
    2. dag 05.ru
      dag 05.ru 12 November 2013 08: 58
      +3
      "Gazprom is the property of the people," the advertisement says. In fact, not so.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 12 November 2013 09: 03
        +2
        Quote: dag 05.ru
        In fact, not so.

        What do you think should be? Tear up the company and divide and what will happen?
        1. dag 05.ru
          dag 05.ru 12 November 2013 09: 38
          +6
          Of course not. Just for the domestic consumer could be made more affordable prices. Is it really not ashamed of advertising, I do not remember literally but where it is said that Gazprom is the most highly profitable company. In terms of capitalization, it is among the 5 largest and is more than $ 100 billion. For the Russian hinterland, for conducting gas, a whole fortune is necessary by local standards (of course, for Gazprom or for its employee this may not be money). Then they rip off the gas itself, maintenance.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 12 November 2013 09: 49
            -1
            Quote: dag 05.ru
            Just for the domestic consumer could be made more affordable prices.

            Well, here the people are talking about boilers, but I don’t know anything about them. Perhaps you and they are right hi
  6. Neighbor
    Neighbor 12 November 2013 07: 18
    +4
    Gaddafi was cheap for his own, it turned out that it was undemocratic, they bombed Libya and tortured Muammar.
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 12 November 2013 07: 20
      +3
      Duc come off understand Gaddafi from the collective of oligarchs and the chief godfather (USA) demanded
      share in your common fund (Gaddafi did not fit into the world order)
  7. a.hamster55
    a.hamster55 12 November 2013 07: 30
    +5
    If someone believes that gas is expensive for the Russians, I ask you to visit the places where work has been done to replace pipe sections with detected defects. Mostly they try to spend in winter so that the swamps are slightly frozen, and if you are not lucky then you can not distinguish a linear installer from a lump of soil and the equipment is drowning on the roof. Maybe someone is eating on gas but not hard workers.
    1. ZU-23
      ZU-23 12 November 2013 08: 57
      +2
      I had to work at the rig in the far north, -40 degrees or more, the drilling storm, everything spins, everything is slippery and the steam is not visible, you walk like a minefield, for at least 15 days in one shift at least several wounded, but old drilling rigs, very few new ones, but there double-glazed windows are warm and clean, you can walk in slippers.
    2. pensioner
      pensioner 12 November 2013 11: 37
      0
      By the way, great greetings to Gazprom Transgaz Saint Petersburg and the Torzhok LPU MG separately! I dug something there at one time that they ran 500 meters from the pit ...
  8. Ihrek
    Ihrek 12 November 2013 07: 36
    +3
    Respecting themselves and their people, gas and gas prices would have made if not like in Turkmenistan, for their people, then at least similar. In Turkmenistan, it costs pennies for domestic consumers.
  9. a.hamster55
    a.hamster55 12 November 2013 07: 57
    +1
    Well, if Turkmenistan in terms of the size of the territory and climatic conditions were comparable to Russia, then there would be no talk of "mere kopecks".
  10. a.hamster55
    a.hamster55 12 November 2013 09: 30
    +4
    But I invite minusers to work in a foundation pit with mud in the rain or in the winter minus for some 20t.r. I understand that you are not inclined to analysis, or maybe not at all hungover, but this is the situation.
    If you want gas cheaper - buy a gas kit: - a bag of peas; - a hose with a fitting; - gearbox.
    1. kartalovkolya
      kartalovkolya 12 November 2013 09: 52
      +5
      Dear, no one denies the merits of ordinary hard workers, but they have nothing to do with the prices of gas and oil. Everything is very simple: some own the fields, others have a system of gas pipelines, so they are behind the rise in prices, and even a bunch of sucked parasites! Analysis even it is not required to see who is profiting from us! And you and your "bag of peas"!
    2. Fin
      Fin 12 November 2013 11: 00
      +6
      Quote: a.hamster55
      But I invite minusers to work in a foundation pit with mud in the rain or with a minus of winter for some 20t.r.

      And at the top of the pit, another 10 craftsmen are "prompting" and 10 pieces of equipment are threshing with engines. And in the office there are 2 more engineers and technicians for each worker. That's the whole analysis. Now go and ask your "managers" why a simple hard worker gets 20 sput.
      Sucking to hell.
    3. demon184
      demon184 12 November 2013 11: 32
      +3
      How is your salary related to the price of gas, I think if you cut off the top of the cream that removes all the cream a little, you can lower the tariffs and raise your salary
  11. RusTatar
    RusTatar 12 November 2013 10: 30
    0
    in the commodity countries a la Canada, the added value from a conventional unit of extracted raw materials is about 13 bucks, and in Russia it is 3 bucks, that is, we do not even have a raw-material economy, but a raw-material colony economy. It was well-fed for 10 years with high oil prices, was the so-called. growth without development, thought so will be infinitely long? yeah right now ... now we have what we have: now there is zero economic growth. during the reign of the old man Kabaev, nothing was done except obscure and unnecessary for the country one-time cattle catchers a la Olympiad, Universiade, World Cup for football, made just to give his friends the opportunity to cut the budget ... and here's the new news and this is the background of budget cuts of 5% due to the already miserable social programs:
    Krasnoyarsk received the right to host the winter Universiade in 2019. Such a decision, according to Interfax, was made on Saturday, November 9, at a meeting of the executive committee of the International University Sports Federation (FISU) in Belgium.

    In September 2013, Krasnoyarsk remained the only contender for the 2019 winter student games. The rival of the Russian city, the Swiss canton of Valais, withdrew, stating that he considered the chances of victory to be low.
  12. pensioner
    pensioner 12 November 2013 11: 10
    +3
    Quote: a.hamster55
    If someone believes that gas is expensive for the Russians, I ask you to visit the places where work has been done to replace pipe sections with detected defects.
    That's for sure. I visited the pit yesterday. Bye song. But what will happen in a week, but in another section, where the swamps are in full growth, it’s even unpleasant to think. Don’t run into Gazprom so much. People really work there. Everyone in his place injects God forbid. Yes, it’s not the most effective organization, it’s stealing, but give an example of another structure devoid of this negative. To get and deliver gas to the end consumer is a daunting task. And in general ... It is not necessary to bring down the price of gas inside the country (well, if cases of especially cynical manipulation of the price of gas have not been revealed), but to ensure that labor is evaluated adequately with the efforts and qualifications applied.
  13. user
    user 12 November 2013 11: 31
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    Krasnoyarsk received the right to host the winter Universiade in 2019. Such a decision, according to Interfax, was made on Saturday, November 9, at a meeting of the executive committee of the International University Sports Federation (FISU) in Belgium.

    Under this case, gas may finally appear in the Krasnoyarsk Territory.
  14. rocketman
    rocketman 12 November 2013 11: 45
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    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    It's cool, everyone knows that even in the Soviet Union we drove oil and gas abroad, but still they are minus. What are the cons ???????

    Because under the USSR, everything earned went to the state, and almost everything in the country was free. And now everything goes to the oligarchs, and everything is very expensive. Everybody scares Ukraine because of the lack of Russian gas, but then why do we have rent and a communal apartment much cheaper than in Russia, where this gas is simply "filled up"? For reference, it cost me 100 hryvnias to calibrate the gas meter (removal, verification, installation), which is about 400 rubles. wink
    1. Sterlya
      Sterlya 12 November 2013 12: 46
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      Quote: rocketman
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      It's cool, everyone knows that even in the Soviet Union we drove oil and gas abroad, but still they are minus. What are the cons ???????

      Because under the USSR, everything earned went to the state, and almost everything in the country was free. And now everything goes to the oligarchs, and everything is very expensive. Everybody scares Ukraine because of the lack of Russian gas, but then why do we have rent and a communal apartment much cheaper than in Russia, where this gas is simply "filled up"? For reference, it cost me 100 hryvnias to calibrate the gas meter (removal, verification, installation), which is about 400 rubles. wink

      we have a withdrawal. verification. installation will cost at least 5000 rubles. not counting that during the whole of this procedure to charge over the volume of heated area. number of registered people. regardless of the time of year. Yes, even on the street 40 degrees of heat. per 100 square meters meters of area will be 3000 with something per month
    2. JIaIIoTb
      JIaIIoTb 12 November 2013 14: 22
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      I can be happy for you, even though you have something, so far, good)))
      I hope that it will remain just as well)))
  15. a.hamster55
    a.hamster55 12 November 2013 12: 31
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    Dear pensioner! Thank you for your greetings and good health and good luck in everything! I have another 1,5 years to pump gas to the country and the "Europeans" cunning.
    1. pensioner
      pensioner 12 November 2013 12: 41
      +1
      Quote: a.hamster55
      I have another 1,5 years to pump gas to the country and the "Europeans" cunning.

      "Torzhok-Dolina" and "Torzhok-Minsk - Ivatsevichi" rule? hi drinks Good Luck!
      1. alone
        alone 12 November 2013 19: 21
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        lol oil, gas, income, benefits !!

        Wake up! all this is not for ordinary people! as if driving more oil and gas over the hill, then a simple citizen will become a millionaire! all this flows into the pockets of a group of people. the oligarchs are tired angry