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Technique "melting pot": how to make "them" "us"

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Technique "melting pot": how to make "them" "us"Recently, by the efforts of a certain group of persons, the issue of friendship between the peoples in our country has sharply escalated. On the aggravated topic all started talking.


Dear Margarita Simonyan - the editor-in-chief of the Russia Today TV channel - expressed in her blog several thoughts concerning us and directly and which caused abundant commenting on various degrees of adequacy. Margarita in her text mentioned one of the solutions to the national question, which seems to me promising - the solution of the “melting pot”.

Margarita said:

“For the preservation of the Motherland, the Russians, in their present form, have no other way than to give birth more and assimilate more. Not to drive away from yourself, not to frighten, not to cut in the subway, but to melt into one common culturally Russian mass, into the as yet non-existent single Russian people of all non-Russians born and raised on our land. You just need to stop playing once in other people's contexts and ideals, in beautiful Europe multiculturalism that poisoned Europe almost to death, at all costs preserve and strengthen the unique cultures of small nations, in non-Russian alphabets and languages. Our история, our culture, our values, our first and main language - all this should be one, indisputable, monolithic, irreversible, independent of who talents scream at a rally or tribune. Once and for all. The rest is a matter of technology. "

I would like to talk about the rest. About the fact of technology.

At the head of the average man in the street with the word “melting pot”, there are charming pictures of an alternative school childhood, in which a kind teacher with wet eyes feels the class about the culture of the peoples of the Caucasus. After that, everyone eats kebab cooked by the boy’s father, Armen, and the next day after the lessons of the culture of the peoples of the North, everyone eats stanutine, then Russian culture with Easter cakes and so on - until complete obesity and shortness of breath.

There is another understanding of the "melting pot" that exists in the heads of our nationally preoccupied people. According to them, the “melting pot” is when a Russian marries an Armenian woman, and then their child acquires a full cap on every full moon and is tempted to sell persimmon to people.

News: it is not a melting pot. This is multiculturalism.

There is nothing wrong with that - culture needs to know. The more cultures you know, the more you understand the person as a whole. Knowledge of cultures develops the mind, a sense of tact, increases the overall cultural level.

But you need to understand that all this is useful and pleasant additions to the main thing, which cannot be replaced by cultural lessons.

Multiculturalism forms weak superficial connections of various groups with each other. The fact that they are weak and superficial does not mean that they are bad and unnecessary. They are needed, but this is not enough. This is a kind of - first acquaintance, introductory chapter in human communication. No more, but no less.

A melting pot is a much more entertaining and fun thing.

At school, the melting pot begins when a physics teacher issues a list of tasks to the class and a deadline for solving them with a deadline. When a physical education teacher sets up a baton with a score of the last.

Let me explain.

The melting pot does not just establish new strong and deep connections between the members of society - it destroys the old connections. Generic, teip, connections of the “big family”, establishing the hegemony of the family of small and labor collectives as new communities and cells of society.

The melting pot destroys the old taboos and prohibitions that divide people along ethnic lines. Let me show it with the example of Margarita Simonyan:

“My great-grandmother fled to 15, to the genocide, from Trabzon, where her homeland was, in the then Russian Crimea, from Turkish knives, slaughtered her brothers, sisters and parents. My grandmother was born and raised in Sochi, but she did not speak Russian until 18 years. My father was not allowed to marry a Russian, because the diaspora does not approve of marriages with strangers, even if this diaspora lives in the Ural Krasnoturyinsk, where my father was born. I myself - the fourth generation - was born in Krasnodar, I don’t speak Armenian, I hardly know Armenian history, I was in Armenia once, in 25 years, with Putin on a business trip, and my Homeland is definitely Russia. My family history, so to speak, is horror and tragedy from the point of view of the history of the Armenian people. And from the point of view of the future of Russia, this is the only way that should happen.

A small Dagestan, an Ingush, a Tatar, a Kalmyk (who else is being cut in the Moscow metro?) Should know that he is first of all a Russian, and then already a Dagestan, an Ingush, Tatar, Kalmyk. Whatever his parents may think about it. How I know it, how my children will know it. ”


Communities immersed in this “melting pot” lose their hardness, prohibitions, taboos, scenarios of behavior that contradict common interests. Why were the marriages of Armenians with Russians not allowed before, and then they began to be allowed? What, is this diaspora so kinder? Or maybe the diaspora itself has disappeared? What is missing in the story of Margarita? How does this happen? How is this “melting” effect achieved? What is the impact, what is this environment that makes the people "melt", losing the old connections and values, and establish new ones?

The cultural image of the people, its traditions, folklore, architecture is the result of its lifestyle, which is dictated by its habitat - the landscape. The landscape defines the problems that the ethnos must overcome, and - most importantly - the relations of production. The appearance of a people is a reflection of its way of earning a living.

The melting pot is turned on when the habitat of the people changes dramatically. This may be due to migration or changes in production relations.

In the case of Margarita Simonyan’s family between the migration of her grandmother to Russia and the appearance of Margarita herself, we have Soviet industrialization, universal education and scientific breakthrough - the very factors that changed the nature of production, which resulted in a change in social relations, and, consequently, lifestyle, culture, and worldview.

Soviet melting pot boiled over energy upgrades.
What I would like to especially note is the mobilization nature of Soviet modernization, which put many people in a situation where extraordinary efforts to achieve a common task simply pulled people out of national and family prejudices. They mobilized a person to such an extent that there was no time, force or will left for prejudice.

This was how inter-ethnic marriages arose, this is how a Soviet person arose.

This can be seen now in labor collectives. But not often.

Our current problems with interethnic relations, cooling the melting pot, with fake integration and other things are the result of a change in production relations.

If the USSR positioned itself as a military, scientific and industrial power, where soldiers and officers, scientists and production workers are respectively respected, then the Russian Federation, born from the ruins of the USSR, positioned itself as a country of business, privatization and trade.

Primary capital accumulation in Russia is the opposite of production.

What is privatization and primary accumulation? What is behind these beautiful words?

This is a robbery and hacks.

Roughly speaking: it is in order to produce, study and discover, we need a workforce with all its attributes, and it is best to steal and seize on the basis of nationality and kinship.

Immediately changed and culture. To be wild is easy.

We need to be aware that if we are a country of business, reform and trade, then our culture and our elite will be the culture and elite of usurers, appropriators, schemers and traders. And there is nothing to be astonished to look at the degradation of the Bolshoi Theater, the “vocals” of Baskov and the “ballet” of Volochkova - for merchants and thieves, and so will come down. And, of course, Russia will then be the battlefield of barracks, privatizers and budget makers with the involvement of diasporas, fraternities, fraternity and connections in the apparatus.

If you want more, you need to completely change the way of life of the country. Production lifestyle.

To start the melting pot, you need to run the progress wheel.

The result of this launch, I believe, will be the restoration of Russian cultural hegemony throughout the post-Soviet space.

Nationalist have something to think about.
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  1. Soldier
    Soldier 11 November 2013 07: 54
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    Previously, there was a proud concept-SOVIET MAN. A citizen of a great country of the USSR. And only then-nationality. I still consider myself a Soviet person born and lived for some time in a great country, where all ,, nationalism ”was expressed except in good jokes (Chukchi. Jews, Armenian radio) p / s And neighbor Uncle Armen still in the summer fries kebabs and treats local children. And no one will ever dare call him ,, chock ,,
    1. baltika-18
      baltika-18 11 November 2013 09: 13
      11
      Quote: Armeec
      And the neighbor Uncle Armen still in the summer fries kebabs in the courtyard and treats

      In addition to the uncles of Armenians, for example, there are also Telman Feroyans and their brothers unfortunately (as we have in the region). But this is by the way. According to the article. Neither plus nor minus. We talked about a melting pot. I’ve read it more than once recently.
      Why would it be? The order came from the authorities? They just won't write like that. The migration problem is ripe, and the national problem is acute, it is necessary to solve it, but I don’t want to solve it, a lot of money is lost. It is necessary to screw something to the people. And stories about assimilation went and "melting pot." Like, let them be these migrants (it's mainly about them), we will give citizenship (which is happening) and assimilate in the "melting pot" in order to solve the fictitious problem of lack of labor resources.
      1. vlad0
        vlad0 11 November 2013 09: 24
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        The article is similar to the one commissioned within the framework of Medvedev's program of "fostering tolerance among Russians." They begin to beat off 4.5 billion rubles. angry
        1. a52333
          a52333 11 November 2013 09: 57
          -3

          This melting pot is a Zionist's dream.
          1. Alexandr0id
            Alexandr0id 11 November 2013 11: 28
            +6
            what nonsense !!!!! it is something. there are still a bunch of boobies sitting in the hall, listening to this heresy.
            I'm in shock.
            1. a52333
              a52333 11 November 2013 12: 32
              +2
              Well read Avdeev, Guntner - also nonsense?
              1. de_monSher
                de_monSher 11 November 2013 17: 15
                +1
                Bullshit, complete ...

                Particular nonsense - something like a "racial hierarchy". H-nya, complete fever delirium. Anthropology means, put in the forefront? Nude, Nude. Racial preferences or racial ummmmmm ... benefiting from racial differences? No question ... Let's take a look. But still, I will try to take a look from a national point of view. Very briefly.

                The fact that a nation has a doctrine of races speaks of what? Only that one way or another, the same teaching will be with other nations and nothing more. And the fact that the Russian nationalist, in his frenzy, beats himself in the chest, and yells about his racial superiority, immediately says that somewhere, the Chechen, Buryat, Yakut, Tatar nationalist sits, pounds his chest in the same way, and in the same heat yells about his national superiority. How this will end is easy to guess.

                This is the whole price of all your nationalistic, racial, and other delusional "teachings"... There was no more "constructive", neither Avdeev, nor Gunther, nor other "national writers" had, and never will be. "Books" by Avdeev, generally complete sucks - tracing paper, from the "writers" of the 19th century, one to one. Plagiarism is complete. He has no brains. And do you advertise it?

                That's something like this ...
                1. hrych
                  hrych 11 November 2013 18: 27
                  +2
                  In addition to beating oneself in the chest, there are also achievements of different nations in the development of civilization, from the creation of a state and empires (the creation of an empire is not stupid to capture neighbors) to science, technology, literature, etc. So neither the Buryats, much less the Chechens, simply have nothing to brag about. If a Russian beats himself in the chest, then there is a thousand-year empire, space, science, medicine and so on. Unfortunately or fortunately, history says that there is no equality of people and will not be. A typical example of the collapse of the Soviet Union, when the former parts of a great civilization, from themselves were something, but now leaving the "Russian world" turned into a complete insignificance. If the Central Asians turned into Gaster going to Russia, then the proud Balts became the same Gaster in the EU, although in their national homeland the Balts have a semblance of a democratic society, then Middle Asia collapsed not even in the Middle Ages, but into a clan-communal system with beks, bays and etc. Delusional racial teachings began among the nationalists of the Caucasian, Central Asian and Baltic persuasion and showed that they were nothing, although they gave them statehood, which they did not conquer, but gave three drunks in Belovezhie. They grunt their industry and went to work en masse. And the Russians continue to splinter uranium, launch space rockets, etc. Only witnesses cannot speak of their superiority, Asians are terrified and displeased.

                  Somehow.
                  1. de_monSher
                    de_monSher 11 November 2013 19: 30
                    0
                    If a Russian is bugging himself in the chest, then there is a millennium-old empire, space, science, medicine, and so on.


                    Russians, on this occasion, beat themselves in the chest, just can not, since all these achievements, were in the USSRthat was somehow "melting pot"synthesis no cropswas a synthesis of the minds, aspirations and dreams of people of different cultures who voluntarily and open-heartedly accepted Russian culture - the prevailing. What you have built in Russia over the past 20 years with a tail, cannot be considered evolutionary development that series of achievements of Russian civilization, which it has achieved over the past 300 years. Rather, it can be called destruction of the shoulder all that ancestors reached. You managed to build a new, not even civilization, rather - a subculture - implicated in profit, self-interest, xenophobia and irresponsibility. Hope this is only surface phenomenon. I really hope that this ... this ... add-on civilizational imperative, did not take deep roots ...

                    That's something like this ...
                    1. hrych
                      hrych 11 November 2013 19: 54
                      +2
                      The USSR lived for 70 years, which in history was a moment, its only life coincided with a revolutionary leap of progress (all over the world), Russia was a thousand years old, but all the scientific achievements embodied in the Union had a foundation under tsarism, in the form of Mendeleev, Tsiolkovsky, Zhukovsky, Zvorykin, Sikorsky, Pavlov, etc., as in the West, all thanks to Nicole Tesla, Rutherford, Faraday and others. Science is not magic, its achievements are thanks to the royal foundation, i.e. fundamental discoveries. After the revolution, Sikorsky who fled from death makes the first helicopter in America, and Zvorykin creates television there. Those. after the revolution, Russian science rolled back, and the West achieved progress through tsarist science. Brown and others like them used the works of Tsiolkovsky, and the engine of the Fau-1 cruise missile was invented back in the 60s of the XIX century by Nikolai Afanasevich Teleshov under Tsar Batyushka. Yes, after the victory, Stalin gave scientists a green light and the Russian discoveries incarnated by the Germans returned home.
                      For twenty years, Russia has kept the course of civilization and has gone further, what the new missiles, planes and boats created in the Russian Federation say, in particular solid fuel, new electronic systems, with which the USSR lagged behind. A new generation of nuclear reactors is being built, which the United States cannot even boast of. This is the spearhead of progress.
                      Society is not built perfectly, but it allows you to follow the path of progress. Russian nationalism is inevitable in the first place and its driving force is rather not the Russians themselves, but the dirty tricks of the nationalities. The Uzbeks tried, the Kyrgyz, the Lithuanians, etc. tried, now it's our turn to build a national society.
                      1. de_monSher
                        de_monSher 11 November 2013 20: 12
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                        The USSR lived for 70 years, which in history is a moment, its only life coincided with a revolutionary leap in progress


                        You do not take into account the pace of development of civilization. Civilization is developing exponentially. A little more than two years ago there was Libya, unshakable, and fundamental - now it is no longer there, and, most interestingly, it is already coming to the point that those who started the destruction of Libya will soon be raking pi ... in full. Compare with the same Arab conquests in Spain and the Reconquista. How many years this canoe lasted, do not remind?

                        Further - if you want to talk about the foundation of civilization, then you can also nod to the achievements of Arab, Central Asian, Caucasian scientists and thinkers, who also made a good contribution to the treasury of world knowledge. Just don't confuse cause with effect. Not the Revolutionary transformations in the territory of the former USSR, were the result of a leap, with a leap in people's consciousness that had rather come to a boiling point became the cause of the Revolutionary transformations. And the reality of the "Russian world" = rather backward and retrograde =, the beginning of the 20th century was catalyst all these events. So we can say that the USSR, like the Phoenix bird, arose on the wreckage of the old, having nothing to do with this "old", except for the ashes from which it arose.

                        Now, too, "brains boil" at all. Just as such, there are no brains now. So - a set of the simplest reflexes and pseudo-human reactions, for the most part. This is sad. One thing is certain - what would have taken 500-100 years 200 years ago, now, in our time, will happen in a year, in two - maximum ...

                        Like that...
                      2. hrych
                        hrych 11 November 2013 20: 38
                        +2
                        The caliphate was more powerful at the initial stage that it originated in the territory of the Roman Empire, which collapsed; moreover, the scientific school of Egyptian civilization was assimilated there by the Greeks and Romans. But the caliphate, becoming the successor of the Romance scientific school, did not raise progress, but rolled it back. Caucasian scientists have not heard at all. Khorezm, Samarkand rather the Iranian-Aryan Zaraastrian school of science, although the Magols ruled, but Temir and Ulugbek, created the honor of scientists and Islam was not a couple of the current primitive, but very progressive. The problem is that having lost the Romance scholars, the caliphate ran out of steam and did not go further in science, as in Wed Asia after the death of Ulukbek, degradation began, where more than it was destroyed was destroyed. Europe, however, at the very least brought the same Roman civilization to outer space and the fission of the nucleus. What do we have in the countries of the caliphate? Scientific and technical backwardness, only the Persians are trying to portray something there and that's it. Civilization and progress are the fact that they do not stop, but move on.
                      3. de_monSher
                        de_monSher 11 November 2013 20: 55
                        0
                        The caliphate was than strong at the initial stage that originated in the territory of the Roman Empire, which collapsed


                        What kind of Caliphate are we talking about? Are you talking about the Abbasid state? Maybe about the "righteous Caliphate"? Or about the Egyptian Caliphate? Or in general - about the Arab Caliphate = then, it is completely incomprehensible - as such, this single state did not exist =? So it arose hundreds of years after Rome fell - this time. And it arose not on the territory of the former Roman Empire, but on the border of two Empires, by and large - the state of the Sassanids and Rome. These are two ... *)) I don't understand what I'm talking about, honestly. I don't understand your message ...

                        In general, I didn't "swing" so globally. I just wanted to say that smart people are and always will be, regardless of political, religious, etc. situations. MNo one has yet learned to ban... *)
                      4. hrych
                        hrych 11 November 2013 21: 30
                        +2
                        When the Arabs, under the command of the caliph Umar, captured the Romans of Africa, Mesapotamia and Syria, the focus of scientific schools in the world. Smart people without a scientific school cannot really achieve anything, even if they are thinking, they need laboratories, libraries, etc. The Arabic science itself was famous for translating into Arabic the ancient, Persian and Indian scientific treatises and there were long-term results, then obscurantism began and, as a consequence, the backwardness that we are observing now.
                    2. de_monSher
                      de_monSher 11 November 2013 21: 29
                      0
                      but Temir and Ulugbek created honor for scientists and Islam was not a couple to the current primitive, but rather very progressive.


                      In how you swung something - "cunningly" how you twisted it ... *)) Let's start with the fact that only those statewhich to one degree or another pushed religion in the background, forcing Mull and Popov to do only what they is laid engage in staffing, that is, human souls - it turned out to make a breakthrough in development. One example in history is mass. I do not take into account the initial, intensive stage of development of any religion - at this time, it acts as a unifying foundation, simply by virtue of its novelty. So it was with Zoroastrianism, Christianity, Islam. As soon as religion turns into a fundamental institution of the state, that's all - it loses its progressive potential. ANY religion should always be not in opposition, but rather - a superposition with the government, to be not an antagonist, but rather a kind of sanatorium for torn souls.

                      If you in these words, wanted to "raise" the prestige of Christianity, in comparison with the same Islam, - believe me, you did not succeed. You will be supported by people just like you, people I do not understand, - "turned" on religion. What is more, the funniest thing is that even your "opponents" - the same Salafis, apparently followers of Islam - will support you - you "sing" one song with them ... *) And that's all ...

                      That's something like this ... *))
                    3. hrych
                      hrych 11 November 2013 21: 49
                      +2
                      Moreover, Ulugbek and Christianity, and Bruno were not burned in the east, but Galileo was forced to repent. On earth, there were only a few centers of progress towards the beginning of the Middle Ages — the Roman Empire, Persia, India, and China — that there were scientific schools in various fields. I meant that the medieval conquerors of the Arabs didn’t think up something in the sands of Arabia or the moguls did not bring the knowledge and culture of the Sogdians and Persians from the nomadic peoples, but joined the scientific knowledge of the gentry lands. But the trouble is that at some point the more primitive invaders destroyed everything. In Europe it was the same, especially Catholics hindered progress, but Europe survived it and went further. And Alexandria, Damascus, Baghdad in science did not concede to Rome and even were its teachers, now in the anus.
                    4. de_monSher
                      de_monSher 11 November 2013 22: 02
                      0
                      And Alexandria, Damascus, Baghdad in science did not concede to Rome and even were its teachers, now in the anus.


                      Pancake. One of the two, either you and I decided to make smart things, or flood - we transfer from empty to empty, the third is not given ... *)

                      In general, Alexandria, Damascus, Baghdad were "mandated" territories for quite a long time, and sooo quickly dropped to the level of African colonies. Although before that, they shone with stars of the first magnitude. And they came under the control of other countries, shattered into pieces, only because Mullahs and Nationalists came to power there - before they were probably called under another, but the essence of this does not change them ... *)) From this they turned out to be complete pope ... *))

                      Think in general, for yourself ... decide for yourself. Only from time to time try on yourself, the clothes that history "sewed" for other nations and countries. If you are a fan of Your Country. But history is nothing new ... absolutely. Everything always repeats ... *))

                      That's something like this ... *)
        2. de_monSher
          de_monSher 11 November 2013 19: 51
          +1
          , then Middle Asia collapsed not even in the Middle Ages, but in a tribal-communal system with beks, bays, etc.


          Cliche. Central Asia, for the most part = Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan, are too small to represent the whole of Central Asia =, found itself in a difficult situation when production ties and clusters were cut off, and established production cooperation disappeared. And before the "beks and bays" no one in Central Asia slipped away = Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan, I simply do not take into account =. In most of Central Asia, fortunately, they managed to preserve civil peace, avoiding civil war, both in Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan. How this was achieved is already the second question. A rather mild version of neo-"war communism" in Uzbekistan, authoritarianism in Turkmenistan. But this is still better than the massacre of everyone with everything that took place in Tajikistan, or the constant gangster freedom in Kyrgyzstan.

          Another thing is that the entire territory of the former USSR, as it began to get sick in the early 90s, ummmmmm ... "financial" disease, has not yet recovered from it. A huge percentage - financiers, economists, lawyers and others, and other "specialists". And there is a huge shortage of scientific, engineering and labor personnel. And just the destruction of such frames. This is the problem, this is yes ...

          And to compose fairy tales is not worth it ... you still believe in these tales ...
          1. hrych
            hrych 11 November 2013 20: 08
            +1
            Let's face it, Turkmenbashi was almost a living deity, with golden idols. If we take quite prosperous Kazakhstan and Uzbekistan, the elite consists of the closest relatives and clans of rulers, which draws to the clan-communal system, although it does not look wild at first glance. The rest of poverty and income in a foreign land. Plus, recently announced information on birth control in Uzbekistan, as Dr. Mengele smokes on the sidelines. The Chechens took up arms against poor Zhirik, and here they are already working and silence.
            A fairy tale is a lie and a hint in it, a lesson for good fellows.
            1. de_monSher
              de_monSher 11 November 2013 20: 20
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              Plus, recently announced information on birth control in Uzbekistan, as Dr. Mengele smokes on the sidelines.


              I, personally, ran into this crap in 2001. When my ex-wife and I were practically on duty at her friend's ward, she had an unsuccessful birth, bleeding opened, and they tried to chop off her uterus on the move. A Russian woman who was nearly crippled by her life. And the most interesting thing is that all this did not go with the filing of Uzbekistan, but with the filing of the WHO = himself in 2002, he got acquainted with the document on birth control =. Why are you trying to ascribe to the same Uzbekistan what it has not done and is not doing? Uzbekistan, a "normal" piece of the former USSR, where such "values" as - benefit, benefit and once again benefit, always in any weather, night and day... = shrugged =. And until we get away from this, the problems will not go away ...

              Like that...
        3. de_monSher
          de_monSher 11 November 2013 20: 46
          +2
          If a Russian is bugging himself in the chest, then there is a millennium-old empire, space, science, medicine, and so on.

          And here is your statement, you, try to explain to any nationalist, not Russian ... *)) If you can, then word of mouth, you can safely put a monument of gold - in full growth ... *))))

          If the Central Asians turned into Gaster traveling to Russia, then the proud Balts became the same Gaster in the EU


          And you address these words to the Russians, of whom many have dispersed throughout the entire white world = what numbers were quoted by the same Zhirik - 10-15 million? Or is it 30? *))) =. And who will not change their unskilled labor, where the thread is on the East Coast of the United States, for work in Russia. Those who are "hooked" on highly skilled labor abroad, among the Russians - well, maybe a hundred other thousand. The rest are the same gaster as the Uzbeks in Russia.

          Also, you address these words to Russians, at least in the near Moscow region. for whom a salary of 15-18 thousand is a fairy tale.

          And the Russians continue to pinch uranium, launch space rockets, etc.


          Well, who argues with this? Just as it came from Uzbekistan, the uranium concentrate in Russia goes on. And it’s not talking about superiority Russians, but only about the fact that in some industries, there were still strong business executives. And I'm sure that this is definitely not you. And these are people with a capital letter - yes. And the nation has nothing to do with it ...
          1. aksakal
            aksakal 11 November 2013 21: 46
            +1
            Sorry to interfere in your argument, but damn, what a beautiful, smart post! Taking off my hat smile hi
          2. hrych
            hrych 11 November 2013 22: 01
            +2
            And what is there to be wise statistics

            http://voprosik.net/migraciya-iz-rossii-preuvelichena/

            And do not forget that representatives of certain ethnic groups left for permanent residence in Israel and Germany under assistance programs in droves.
            1. de_monSher
              de_monSher 11 November 2013 22: 05
              0
              And what is there to be wise statistics

              http://voprosik.net/migraciya-iz-rossii-preuvelichena/


              Well, thank God ... *)) So everything is not so neglected ... *)) You just cited the words of Zhirik as an example, I cited the words of Zhirik. What's wrong? You, therefore, can rely on his words, and consider this the ultimate truth, but I do not? *)) So? And if so, why is this so? *)))
            2. de_monSher
              de_monSher 11 November 2013 22: 09
              +1
              And what is there to be wise statistics

              http://voprosik.net/migraciya-iz-rossii-preuvelichena/


              Yes, by the way, you brought statistics on emigration - that is, the flow of people went to other countries - live. Do you have the same schedule for those people who left work? Legal, illegal ... *)))
            3. hrych
              hrych 11 November 2013 22: 25
              +2
              There, in the article, statistics on those who purchase tickets, at least work, at least you need to buy a ticket. For dirty work in the west, Russians have nothing to do there, i.e. almost no job to find, because in addition to unemployment, there are EU citizens in the form of Romanians and Lithuanians and, as a rule, strict legislation to attract migrants (our legislators, they just rip off the west). There is a language problem, hard workers in Russia are angelic unbelles, and in particular Lithuanians lean on it. There is such an article as programmers and prostitutes, but there are very few of them and they don’t do the weather, and the competition between Czechs, Hungarians, etc. does not allow us to turn around. There are objective reasons, and in particular the language barrier is much more effective than screening at the border. The people from Middle Asia, Ukraine and Moldova are primarily fluent in Russian.
            4. de_monSher
              de_monSher 11 November 2013 22: 32
              0
              For dirty work in the west, Russians have nothing to do there, i.e. almost no job to find,


              Wow ... I have registered in Skype, ICQ - at least three dozen of my Russian friends - guys and girls who are engaged in ummmmm ... "dirty" work in the West = I don't understand what EXACTLY you meant, since I work I do not divide into "dirty" and "clean" =. This is only from Russia. I do not consider my friends from Ukraine, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Azerbaijan, Armenia. The geography of their "settlement" is very extensive. These are workers in factories in Italy, Switzerland, Ireland, South Korea. These are nurses and cleaners in the USA and Canada. This is ummm ... it is not clear what the comrades are doing in Indonesia, Malaysia. these are handymen in Australia and Canada. In general, something like that. AND? Should I believe your arguments, or the facts - the fact that these friends of mine communicate with me from these countries? *)))
            5. hrych
              hrych 11 November 2013 22: 36
              +2
              Where did you get such friends? I have nobody at all, one classmate left for Israel, the neighbor from below went to Australia, I don’t know anyone else. If isolated individuals and there are mass character in millions of people are not mentioned, I believe statistics. If there are people who want to clean American toilets, for God's sake, for some reason, locals here do not go for this work.
            6. de_monSher
              de_monSher 11 November 2013 22: 43
              0
              Where did you get such friends?


              I am a very sociable person. Even on the train when I’m going, a neighbor, the most unintelligible one, I’m talking. You will not believe how many in 2011-2012, I made new friends on the trains in Ukraine and Belarus, in Kazakhstan when I got there. A bunch of friends in the Crimea, in Kiev in Lviv, Minsk, Gomel, Astana, Alma-Ata, Atyrau. A bunch of friends from Sochi and Voronezh to Moscow and Murmansk, in Kurgan, in Irkutsk and Krasnoyarsk ... *) And, I myself am sometimes curious how I get it - like this, I talked with a person for half a day and found out a bunch of interesting things for myself ... = shrugged = ...

              And it is in my favor. It's just that the writer himself is a little - although I write NF, but still. And I'm always interested people and only people... *)) Their behavior, their stories, their life ... something like that ... *) And to me, believe me - it does not matter at all who the person is in the nation, what religion he belongs to. A person is more interesting than his cut of eyes, his posture during prayer, or his accent ... *))

              Like that... *)
            7. hrych
              hrych 11 November 2013 22: 47
              +2
              So throw off the PM, I’ll read it with pleasure, at least NF.
            8. de_monSher
              de_monSher 11 November 2013 22: 56
              0
              I unsubscribed to you in PM ... *)
        4. de_monSher
          de_monSher 11 November 2013 22: 49
          +1
          If isolated individuals and there are mass character in millions of people are not mentioned, I believe statistics.


          Wow ... Veraas they say - it’s moving by mountains ... Only now mountains, all electronic ones - lines of text on a computer monitor screen ... *)) God help you in your faith ... Only computer statistics, this is one thing - and life, absolutely other ... *))
  • Pushkar
    Pushkar 11 November 2013 11: 36
    +3
    Schizoid unintelligible delirium. "gray subrace". Ward № 6.
  • ed65b
    ed65b 11 November 2013 10: 25
    +4
    And how do you fuse them if they turned into monkeys in 20 years?
    1. demel2
      demel2 11 November 2013 11: 12
      +2
      Yes, they were monkeys. Monkeys respect power, and the USSR was a strong state, that's all.
      1. Pushkar
        Pushkar 11 November 2013 11: 57
        +7
        Quote: demel2
        Yes, they were monkeys. Monkeys respect power, and the USSR was a strong state, that's all.
        In Yerevan, the oldest book depository in the world is Matenadaran. I'm ashamed for you.
        1. hrych
          hrych 11 November 2013 18: 45
          +3
          Certainly not the most ancient, but medieval, no need to exaggerate. However, the Armenians were also unable to build a self-sufficient state (although it is possible that among the former "fraternal" Armenians have the highest intellect), a third of the population lives in Russia, there is no high-tech industry, a weak scientific school, territorial problems with neighbors, etc.
  • Airman
    Airman 11 November 2013 11: 21
    14
    Quote: vlad0
    The article is similar to the one commissioned within the framework of Medvedev's program of "fostering tolerance among Russians." They begin to beat off 4.5 billion rubles. angry

    What kind of "melting pot" can we talk about? When do "non-Russians" start teaching Russians how to live? They want to stay with us to live with "their" culture, completely exterminating the GREAT RUSSIAN CULTURE. WITH OWN REGULATIONS, DO NOT GO TO ANOTHER monastery. You must NOT destroy Russian culture and Russians, and we WILL NOT ALLOW them.
    1. zardoz
      zardoz 11 November 2013 18: 09
      0
      Well, actually about this in the article and speech.
    2. revnagan
      revnagan 11 November 2013 19: 35
      0
      Quote: Povshnik
      They want to stay with us to live with "their" culture, completely exterminating the GREAT RUSSIAN CULTURE.

      Sorry to interfere, but this is what the idea was born. Russian culture began to be destroyed immediately with the collapse of the USSR, replacing it with "national cultures", including "Russian", the prominent representatives of which were: Mikhalkov, Sobchak, Moiseev and others and others. No offense, think about it, whenever uninvited guests would come to us, we were all Russians for them. Belarusians, Kazakhs, and Ukrainians. Russians, that's all. And after the collapse: "No no, we are not Russians, we Ukrainians (Kazakhs, Moldovans, Russians), you don't need to scoff at us, but rather take us into a friendly European family ... "And this collapse not only does not stop, but is encouraged by our own authorities. It is necessary to start with the restoration of the great Russian (not Russian ) a space where everyone can again proudly say, "I am a Russian person."
  • evgenii67
    evgenii67 11 November 2013 10: 33
    +6
    noticed in the picture the Slavic boy has the biggest flag, but no girl, and his face is somehow sad. This is, in principle, the correct picture, if you look closely with the meaning of the "boiler".
    1. revnagan
      revnagan 11 November 2013 19: 37
      0
      Quote: evgenii67
      , a Slavic boy has the biggest flag, but no girl,

      We did not look carefully, the girl on the left, with a small Russian flag ...
  • Migari
    Migari 11 November 2013 11: 10
    +6
    That's right, in Soviet times there was one multinational people, and there was no such nationalism as it is now.
    1. Hort
      Hort 11 November 2013 12: 36
      +3
      But this Soviet people after the collapse of the Union joyfully began to cut and shoot each other, despite the much more competent social and migration policy of the country.
    2. DEfindER
      DEfindER 11 November 2013 16: 15
      +1
      Quote: Migari
      in Soviet times there was one multinational people, and such nationalism as it did not exist now.

      Yes, there was a people who considered himself primarily a citizen of his country, then attributed himself to his profession, and many did not even remember their nationality .. Only in this way progress is possible, there is no place for nationalism in it ..
  • DEfindER
    DEfindER 11 November 2013 14: 25
    +3
    Quote: Armeec
    Previously, there was a proud concept-SOVIET MAN. A citizen of the great country of the USSR. And only then-nationality

    I would say that in 70 years there was even a new nationality, Soviet Man. Moreover, not only in behavior and the inner spiritual world, but even in appearance. The Soviet type is distinguished by some special sincerity in his opinion, openness, honesty, but I would say that it is like a religion, he only believes in truth and justice ..
    1. hrych
      hrych 11 November 2013 18: 53
      +2
      Perhaps it was, only this Soviet man can be called Russian, who sincerely believed in it. True, having lost the nation and turned into liquid manure that drove and slaughtered all and sundry. All the others sharpened knives and Ferghana and Sumgait began already in the USSR.
      1. alone
        alone 11 November 2013 19: 44
        0
        For me personally, there are two concepts: a person and. And nationality does not matter here.
        1. hrych
          hrych 11 November 2013 20: 11
          +2
          Perhaps a colleague, but only when it comes to the Armenians, the same former citizens of the Union. Do you understand me ...
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 11 November 2013 07: 55
    11
    in order to produce, study and discover, you need a labor collective with all its attributes, and it is best to steal and grab it just on the basis of nationality and kinship.
    To the point said!
  • makarov
    makarov 11 November 2013 07: 55
    +6
    We cook in a strange compote, Where they lie for eyes and eyes, Where each separately is against, And together - strongly for.
    И.Г.
  • a52333
    a52333 11 November 2013 07: 56
    +2
    Nationalist have something to think about.

    And there is nothing to think about. Maybe right in the head control? This delirious sentence will terrify geneticists and anthropologists. (Both in terms of health and IQ) There has just been an American article!
    The characteristic features (negative) that he acquired (Anglo-Saxon) during the mixing of races that happened back in the colonial days, he still retains.
    Not on your nelly!
  • JIaIIoTb
    JIaIIoTb 11 November 2013 07: 56
    0
    Competently, briefly, reasoned.
    1. nickname 1 and 2
      nickname 1 and 2 11 November 2013 09: 09
      0
      Quote: JIaIIoTb
      Competently, briefly, reasoned.



      Not! Not competently! (like everything is HOWEVER) Superficially, invitingly, seductively and ONLY!

      It is necessary, it is necessary!

      First you need to feed the people, you need to find that "locomotive" that will pull the entire economy, you need to get into that stream - the world demand for what your factories will produce. WITH THIS, how?
      The factories in the present are narrow-profile! But built! (this is not the South - you won’t make a straw) It began to produce for ten years (minimum) and the world has changed demand.
      So what ? Hundreds of billions to nothing?

      La la, poplars!

      The world is different !!!! Aw!
    2. Lapotnik
      Lapotnik 11 November 2013 14: 23
      +5
      I did not see in Margarita's words, and then in all the "analyzes" and analyzes of her words, one thing - on the basis of what will this remelting be built? There is no union. There is Russia. And for the Chechens, Ingush, Kalmyks and others to consider themselves Russians at first and then whoever they want - what basis is needed? Here.

      And again, not a word about it. Another multiculturalism was blown into our ears, and all our hands were wiped with applause. We were told - give birth. And from whom and from whom? And who and what will they melt? Who is being melted in schools now? That's right - either liberals, or Tolerasts, or even xs someone, and history is taught differently.

      So whom and whom are we going to melt?

      All the words about modernization - hu ... shit is shorter. It refines and assimilates a healthy, strong organism. In the Union, the Russians were a locomotive, as in the empire before that. If it weren't for the Russians, the Anglo-Saxons would have slaughtered the Caucasus, Yakuts, Kalmyks and the rest, or they would have been sitting in auls and in yurts without gas and Mercedes. For some reason, they discuss this in other topics, and most agree, but here I remembered about "modernization and progress". And who is the basis of progress then ???

      I repeat - in all the topics separately, it seems like you are reasoning correctly, but how to bring all the topics together and take a broad look - as now, so you have forgotten about the main thing in the corners.

      It’s easy to fool you. Very easy.
      1. aksakal
        aksakal 11 November 2013 22: 17
        +1
        Quote: Lapotnik
        I did not see in Margarita's words, and then in all the "analyzes" and analyzes of her words, one thing - on the basis of what will this remelting be built? There is no union. There is Russia. And for the Chechens, Ingush, Kalmyks and others to consider themselves Russians at first and then whoever they want - what basis is needed? Here.

        And again, not a word about it. Another multiculturalism was blown into our ears, and all our hands were wiped with applause. We were told - give birth. And from whom and from whom? And who and what will they melt? Who is being melted in schools now? That's right - either liberals, or Tolerasts, or even xs someone, and history is taught differently.

        So whom and whom are we going to melt?


        - I will explain on the fingers. There is a so-called Value System - it is nationally! This system of values ​​unites the Kazakh, Russian, Azerbaijani, even a Chechen with a Russian! Example? Remember the sharp conflict between the very white-skinned Christina Orbakaite and some of her black-berry and very rich ex? I don’t remember his name, but there was a conflict over their common son Danny, whom Christine intended to send to the United States at the instigation of her last boyfriend from the United States, so that in the United States Danny could more accurately determine his gender. And Danny's father very sharply opposed this and, at the risk of running into an acute conflict with the Kremlin with further consequences (Danny's grandmother is some very weighty lady), stupidly took away his son, justifying it precisely with the fact that in the USA they will make the hell out of their son what. In this conflict, which side are you on? I will not be surprised that on the side of that black-berry, but not at all on the side of Kristina Orbakaite. And what's the reason? Yes, in terms of value system, the views of this father Danny are much closer to me (and to me).
        You just need to rise above all this and cultivate exactly what unites all of us, and not focus on what divides us.
        And further. I will say something unpleasant for Russians. Sorry. While Kristina starred in the film "Scarecrow" (this is figurative) and firmly believed in the ideals of the USSR, adhering to the same values ​​as the Chechen, Dagestani, etc. within the framework of love for the USSR, no misunderstandings arose on ethnic grounds. When Christina BETRAYED the ideals of the USSR and accepted the values ​​of the United States, she even adopted the US way of life, so she immediately became the object of contempt of the same Chechen. Moreover, I note that the Chechens did not change, they both were in their teips and remained, about the rest of the nationalities like this the same, and a noticeable share of precisely Russian residents, and the share of the most economically influential part of the Russian population - the so-called. the urban population has CHANGED its values. Chechens' contempt for the bearers of other people's values ​​immediately made itself felt, because this contempt is not for a Russian, but for an American in Russian skin !!!! Squeeze the American out of you drop by drop, the Chechens have options - the Dagestani, etc. there was respect for that Russian. Yes, in history everything was and cut each other, and fought, but Russians were still respected for their strength, ability to fight and strict adherence to their Orthodox faith. And when a common system of values ​​was worked out, there was a period of life that would enter the golden fund of the experience of interethnic community and friendship of peoples. And the fact that this period is over - alas, excuse me, it is the fault of the Russian population. Their urban population has dramatically changed the vector of their values, which generally confused all the maps, and now we have what we have and will think what to do with all this further.
  • Gardamir
    Gardamir 11 November 2013 08: 05
    12
    Do you need any boiler? There are Russians, Tatars, Udmurts ... quite enough to provide the motherland with labor resources. We want and we can work. We are porridge with butter, and politicians throw pepper and garlic into milk porridge. basil and other spices. But this is inedible.
    1. Ribwort
      Ribwort 11 November 2013 09: 57
      12
      Quote: Gardamir
      We are porridge with butter, and politicians throw pepper, garlic, basil and other spices into milk porridge. But this is inedible.

      Okay, this would be okay, but politicians and officials themselves consider themselves an expensive and integral component of any dish. Here, only this component smells like shit. Hence, the final properties of the cooked product are expensive and not edible.
    2. ed65b
      ed65b 11 November 2013 10: 29
      +6
      That’s for sure, the peoples of Russia, with the exception of some Caucasian republics, have long fused, the Tatars with the Russians, the Buryats with the Evenks, interethnic marriages have been and will be. and the children know at least 2 cultures from them and 100% of the Russians are from the worldview.
  • aszzz888
    aszzz888 11 November 2013 08: 06
    +1
    Well, of course, Russia will then be the battlefield of the casket, privatizers and budget managers with the involvement of diasporas, fraternities, lads and ties in the apparatus


    Why will it be?
    This is already in the present tense, and not in the future. The question is on what scale and in what progression (geometric, arithmetic) this is expressed.
  • Humpty
    Humpty 11 November 2013 08: 10
    +9
    In a melting pot, various metals can be alloyed and even useful alloys can be obtained. If you know their properties. But steel with brick or adobe with persimmon to fuse is silly. I will not try.
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 11 November 2013 08: 17
      +5
      Do you remember how a man cooked porridge from an ax? We, like that ax, were taken out of the pot. And what will remain: dark-skinned, brown-eyed Muslims. This will be said and there are real Russians, but there were no others. So it was before, it happened during the years of perestroika, and it is happening now. When one is replaced by another.
      1. aksakal
        aksakal 11 November 2013 09: 53
        +7
        Quote: Gardamir
        Do you remember how a man cooked porridge from an ax? We, like that ax, were taken out of the pot. And what will remain: dark-skinned, brown-eyed Muslims. This will be said and there are real Russians, but there were no others. So it was before, it happened during the years of perestroika, and it is happening now. When one is replaced by another.

        - and here I am looking at the actor Siyatvinda with his grips of a typical Russian peasant (Siyatvinda: “Yes, you got me with your Ethiopia!” Makovetsky: “Ethiopia is not mine!”. From the movie “Zhmurka”) and I just can't see it’s a black man, I see a Russian guy, a typical Russian guy, just swarthy. She speaks Russian, the reaction to the stimulus is not African at all. Is appearance so important? Well, be like the Anglo-Saxons with their theory of racial gradation. Or the Germans with their theory, where they are not even glorious in the second class. Or here's a very recent example - how in Israel the repatriated JEWS from Ethiopia, more precisely, the repatriates were secretly sterilized so that their appearance would not be spoiled in the future. Now they are carefully hiding it, gentlemen will jump out of Israel, yell "where are the links?" - yes it is clear where the links are. The world's media are controlled by Jews, such things are completely destroyed. On Channel One this news was completely destroyed. That block of news is 25 minutes shorter. Or here's another example - when the non-flawed "Spike" in Peru flew to the Peruvian Minister of Foreign Affairs of Peru, there were beautiful filming on YouTube, like a rocket flying up, like the minister "Telaki" being thrown to the ground and covered with their body - all this disappeared!
        And indirectly, intolerance in Israel is visible in a cool video on YouTube, where a white Israeli - a native of Russia beautifully and rushingly pokes the same Jew, taxi driver, but a dark-skinned native of Ethiopia.
        Well, be that as it may - the Israelis are excusably. I do not even blame them - when there is no big soul, only cling to the exterior and remains.
        But why should Russians be upset about this? Is not the soul, the so-called. "Russian spirit" - THE MAIN THING?
        According to SABZh Simonyan clearly says - you need to give birth, give birth more. And if you give birth with an eye on consumption standards, then you won't be able to give birth. Because consumption standards are imposed by the West, this was their success in the collapse of the USSR. Previously jeans and gum, now the rates have increased - housing in a popular area of ​​at least 20 sq. M. on the nose, a car of at least "middle" class certainly from developed countries (from the Czech Republic and South Korea will not go) to everyone and certainly an annual vacation in the Canary Islands. If an extra child violates this idyll, it is IMPOSSIBLY forbidden to give birth! Will you deny this ban? Clear. that with the fall in the number of Russians (and under the conditions of this UNJUSTIFIED prohibition it will fall UNLIMITED), the assimilation capacity of Russians in relation to arriving migrants will also fall. Well, who is to blame for you? This is actually called INCOMPETITION. If one subspecies is able to reproduce under grazing conditions, and the other subspecies only under conditions of lush vegetation, then under conditions of non-lush vegetation, I can immediately tell which subspecies will eventually win. Even if individually the subspecies that require lush vegetation will surpass the competitor in everything - both physically and mentally, etc., this does not mean anything. The result will be unambiguous.
        Py.Sy. By the way, if anything - the hypersexuality of women and the willingness to "love" a man all year round and, accordingly, give birth all year round without looking back at mating periods, coupled with increased care for the younger generation - this is the main source of a person's victory, and not at all his so-called "mind", what would you be there about yourself, little people, do not think!
        1. Vadim-Skeptic
          Vadim-Skeptic 11 November 2013 10: 14
          -4
          Naturally, why do you need reason - x ... er to think, Ipatz must. Only after having bred will devour all resources, devour rational nations, fall into a primitive state, the population of unreasonable humanity will immediately decrease. And in a new way - the construction of civilization by an intelligent nation.
          1. aksakal
            aksakal 11 November 2013 11: 31
            +5
            Quote: Vadim the Skeptic
            Only after having bred will devour all resources, devour rational nations, fall into a primitive state, the population of unreasonable humanity will immediately decrease. And in a new way - the construction of civilization by a rational nation.

            - well, yes, we need a new world order, in which measures are being taken to reduce the population and keep only 1 billion alive - the so-called. "golden billion". Listen, Vadim the skeptic, are you such an altruist that you are ready to die or sacrifice your offspring for the benefit of the representatives of this billion? Or do you think that you are already on the list of this "billion"? In this case, let me doubt that you are a skeptic laughing I’ll abstain for now. laughing Have you even received an official mailing list? And yet - by what criterion are they selected for that "billion"? By the criterion of being chosen by God? Skin color? Have money? Who does not have a billion - let him go to ...? In short, according to Polonsky? Do you, Vadim skeptic, have a billion?
            And yet - let it be known to you that for the sake of fun in the space agencies they threw a cry, who is ready to REFURRENCY (that is, all, relatives, you will not see anyone else, to destroy you on Mars for the sake of future humanity) to fly to Mars? - A lot of people responded and are ready to sign a contract even tomorrow. So - yes, 6 billion for planet Earth is a lot, for the development of even the adjacent planets of the Solar system, and even for the development of the Moon - generally zero. This sometimes happens in children - it’s already too large for a crib, but it’s not enough to leave the cradle. This is a task worthy of a man, and not to squabble for the limited resources of a tiny planet, which are still not enough. Like rats in a barrel ... Have you tried to look out of the barrel at least in your mind?
            1. Normal
              Normal 11 November 2013 15: 08
              0
              Quote: aksakal
              - and here I am looking at the actor Siyatvinda with his grips of a typical Russian peasant (Siyatvinda: “Yes, you got me with your Ethiopia!” Makovetsky: “Ethiopia is not mine!” From the movie “Zhmurka”) it’s a black man, I see a Russian guy, a typical Russian guy, just dark. She speaks Russian, the reaction to the stimulus is not African at all.

              Quote: aksakal
              So - yes, 6 billion for planet Earth is a lot, for the development of even the adjacent planets of the Solar system, and even for the development of the Moon - generally zero. This sometimes happens in children - it’s already too large for a crib, but it’s not enough to leave the cradle. This is a task worthy of a man, and not to squabble for the limited resources of a tiny planet, which are still not enough. Like rats in a barrel ... Have you tried to look out of the barrel at least in your mind?

              I am in shock. belay I .... and I agree with the elder! belay wassat fellow I can’t believe my eyes ... and I don’t believe myself! Somewhere nearby, the last bear died? laughing laughing laughing
              It turns out aksakal is quite a normal person! Where does it all go when it comes to power and Putin? request
        2. Proud.
          Proud. 11 November 2013 12: 31
          +3
          Quote: aksakal
          and here I am looking at the actor Siyatvinda with his grips of a typical Russian peasant (Siyatvinda: "Yes, you got me with your Ethiopia!" Makovetsky: "Ethiopia is not mine!" Negro, I see a Russian guy, a typical Russian guy, just swarthy.

          I agree. But this is a slightly different case. Siyatvinda, as they say, was already Born this way, with a Russian Soul. I also like this moment, from Interns:
          1. atalef
            atalef 11 November 2013 12: 41
            -5
            Quote: aksakal
            and here I am looking at the actor Siyatvinda with his grips of a typical Russian peasant (Siyatvinda: "Yes, you got me with your Ethiopia!" Makovetsky: "Ethiopia is not mine!" Negro, I see a Russian guy, a typical Russian guy, just swarthy.

            How many videos you have to dump, how these typically Russian swarthy guys are beaten, only because they are a little darker, aksakal, it’s good to tell tales, we don’t live on the moon and talk about the happy share of blacks (even those who speak excellent Russian) in Russia - well, just stupid
            1. aksakal
              aksakal 11 November 2013 13: 04
              +6
              Quote: atalef
              not living on the moon and talking about the happy share of blacks (even fluent in Russian) in Russia - well, it's just silly

              - let the local Russians themselves answer how widespread this has spread across Russia. I think this exception, in percentage terms, is generally a phenomenon tending to zero, but it is. And there is in any state, and uvas - so generally especially-))). "Why did you come here to Israel? You have to work here, pay taxes ... And there you would sit on a palm tree and eat bananas for yourself!" and then a pantomime about a certain creature sitting on a palm tree and devouring bananas is very artistically depicted-))). I like it laughing Well, you understand about the mote in the eye
              1. atalef
                atalef 11 November 2013 13: 11
                -4
                Quote: aksakal
                Quote: atalef
                not living on the moon and talking about the happy share of blacks (even fluent in Russian) in Russia - well, it's just silly

                - let the local Russians themselves answer how widespread this has spread across Russia. I think this exception, in percentage terms, is generally a phenomenon tending to zero, but it is. And there is in any state, and uvas - so generally especially-))). "Why did you come here to Israel? You have to work here, pay taxes ... And there you would sit on a palm tree and eat bananas for yourself!" and then a pantomime about a certain creature sitting on a palm tree and devouring bananas is very artistically depicted-))). I like it laughing Well, you understand about the mote in the eye

                only, unlike you, I don’t tell fairy tales, that’s the whole difference who said that Ethiopian Jews are not subjected to hidden discrimination - of course, like immigrants from Morokeo (at one time), one can recall not very simple relations with immigrants from THE USSR . Do you feel the difference? laughing I do not tell tales
            2. Russ69
              Russ69 11 November 2013 13: 33
              +1
              Quote: atalef
              not living on the moon and talking about the happy share of blacks (even fluent in Russian) in Russia - well, it's just silly

              And what to tell. In the house of my wife, a boy lived, also a mulatto. It lives quite normally, there are a lot of friends, girls are also not deprived smile I have never heard that he had problems.
              One, even in Chechnya, as part of the Federal Forces was ...
          2. Proud.
            Proud. 11 November 2013 19: 14
            0
            Oh damn ... The video has disappeared! Sad.
        3. Dimon-chik-79
          Dimon-chik-79 11 November 2013 15: 47
          0
          Yes, give birth, give birth. Just feed the kids what are we going to? Where will they live and what kind of life? What kind of education will they receive?
          There has been nothing free in our country for a long time, and you still have to earn money for housing and study, and if the child gets sick, God forbid, then the state will no longer provide anyone with the medicine. And how in modern non-metropolitan Russia with non-metropolitan earnings to provide all the necessary large family? It’s like if apartments cost a lot of huge money, in schools and kindergartens parents pay for repairs and furniture, higher education is not cheap! Now and so many parents work hard from dawns to dark, not seeing their children whom the street brings up in their place, and this still comes back to us in due time. Children grow up now without receiving parental love and education, what will they be when they grow up? What the hell is demography!
          At the same time, we have a richest country and these benefits are brazenly plundered, pulled apart before our eyes and go to a chosen bunch of people!
        4. hrych
          hrych 11 November 2013 18: 57
          +2
          On the racial inferiority of the Slavs in German ideology is one of the propaganda Soviet myths.

          At the expense of giving birth and giving birth, what a primitive savagery. It is necessary to increase life expectancy, it is necessary to reduce child mortality, reduce the death of people from diseases, etc. Our woman is not a skin incubator for the birth of degenerates, like the Islamists. After the birth of a third child, a woman becomes a sick person with a disability, and the quality of children decreases with quantity, this is evidenced by science.
          1. aksakal
            aksakal 11 November 2013 22: 46
            +1
            Quote: hrych
            On the racial inferiority of the Slavs in German ideology is one of the propaganda Soviet myths.

            At the expense of giving birth and giving birth, what a primitive savagery. It is necessary to increase life expectancy, it is necessary to reduce child mortality, reduce the death of people from diseases, etc. Our woman is not a skin incubator for the birth of degenerates, like the Islamists. After the birth of a third child, a woman becomes a sick person with a disability, and the quality of children decreases with quantity, this is evidenced by science.
            - I agree, we need a set of measures, not only to give birth. I used the word "to give birth" precisely in the sense of "increasing by all means your population." As for the life expectancy, I don’t know how useful it is for the economy if an old man who is weak, who has become weak after 70 years, will live another thirty years, consuming his pension. And if it is possible to make it so that all those who have reached weakness by the age of 70 then live in their weakness for 30 years! belay I apologize wildly for the cynicism, I understand, blasphemy, but we are discussing serious things here, and while we leave beautiful humanism a little aside, consider the dry rationality. And the rationale tells us that in order for the economically active population to "attract" the elderly, whose life expectancy suddenly increased, it is necessary that the ratio "working - pensioners" at least at least NOT CHANGE! And this means one thing - to give birth again! This is where the objections are pouring in, although I tried to immediately stop these objections with the phrase "do not buy into the imposed standards of consumption and living standards!" For a child, of course, toys are important, just as important are toys that are no worse than others - sometimes even things like an iPhone are such toys, and it is important not to deprive the child of THIS! But even more important to the child is your attention and your love, believe me! It is your attention and your love that make the child happy, believe me. And the iPhone ... The iPhone is taking the child to the wrong place. Feel free to have children, do not be afraid and sincerely love them - the children will do the rest. They themselves will get the knowledge they need, everything will happen by itself. The Russians (or I don’t remember exactly) have a saying - when sending a child to his parents, God gives a big crumb of bread for the journey. And it is true. Tested on myself. Another is born - and you have an extremely good deal! Before that, I “cooked” it, “cooked it”, but to no avail, but here after I was born, without any effort - “get it, sign it!”. I'm already silent about just the pleasure of communicating with sausages-))))
            1. hrych
              hrych 11 November 2013 23: 04
              +2
              Say, Colleague, so that up to 70 years, people survived, and did not die earlier from IHD, strokes, etc. and it depends on the level of medicine and profiling, which is not fiction. So that the old people are not a burden, it is necessary that the hard workers do not work, but robots, more high-tech industries, which is also not fantastic. Progress should help people, make their life easier and freer, otherwise why is it needed. The same women, since they showed themselves during the last war, both in battle and at machine tools, also earned the right for personal development and should not be reduced to the fate of the uterus, especially since machines are doing laundry, etc. I am for progress in everything and for everyone, but so no sodomy.
              1. aksakal
                aksakal 12 November 2013 08: 57
                0
                Quote: hrych
                so that up to 70 years, people survived, and did not die earlier from coronary heart disease, strokes, etc. and it depends on the level of medicine and profiling, which is not fiction. So that the old people are not a burden, it is necessary that the hard workers do not work, but robots, more high-tech industries, which is also not fantastic. Progress should help people, make their life easier and freer, otherwise why is it needed

                - I agree, but any such robots so far? In Russia, and with labor productivity problems, it is almost three times lower than in Western Europe and almost five (!) Times lower than in the USA! I wouldn’t be with robots, I would start labor productivity. And Dorobots along the way will come.
                And yet - you need to consider the time frame. Productivity and robots can be dealt with in five years, and there is such a peculiarity with new human labor resources - to get them in 20 years, you need to work and make a decision right now. Or stimulate this very minute, so that after 20 years there would be a result.
                1. hrych
                  hrych 12 November 2013 17: 16
                  +2
                  Do you really imagine robots as cyborgs in the Terminator? This is automation of production. Labor productivity in the West is not due to the fact that they work more, but precisely because of the automation of production. Now such professions as a turner, driller and milling operator simply should not be. CNC operators and programmers, everything else, the last century.
                  I meant robots, as in the video.

    2. Pushkar
      Pushkar 11 November 2013 11: 42
      +3
      Quote: Humpty
      But steel with brick or adobe with persimmon to fuse is silly. I will not try.
      Alloy. Have you heard about composite materials?
  • Yuri Y.
    Yuri Y. 11 November 2013 08: 19
    +7
    In my opinion, everything is correct. The only thing is to cut off the influx of emigrants from Asia. And then they rushed to us so that, on the site someone said, "no assimilation is enough."
  • And Us Rat
    And Us Rat 11 November 2013 08: 23
    +5
    If some part of the peoples are compatible, then in the case of Islam, difficulties arise - Europe is a vivid example of this, Islam does not accept either a "melting pot" or "multiculturalism" (the Arab spring proved this - wherever Islam comes to power, there begins terror and oppression against everything non-Islamic). Anyone who finds a way to cut this Gordian knot will earn not just a Nobel Prize, but a lifetime golden monument the size of a Burj Dubai on the summit of Mount Everest.
    If anyone has any ideas on this topic, it would be interesting to listen to (extremists, Nazis and other frostbitten ones - please do not bother with moronic ideas like "let's throw a vigorous loaf on them all")
    1. Vadim-Skeptic
      Vadim-Skeptic 11 November 2013 08: 41
      +4
      Religion has nothing to do with it, everything rests on the worldview and mentality of nations, peoples, nationalities, tribes, etc. Try to assimilate the aborigines of Amazonia, who are not excluded, do not have a complete picture of the world, autochthonists - most likely you will destroy them. In Islam there is no intolerance towards strangers and Gentiles, but among the people professing it there are Islam ... they just hide behind Islam, but how about all the acts in the name and for God's sake, not Khukhra-Muhra. Everyone is fighting for what he lacks ...
      1. Yarosvet
        Yarosvet 11 November 2013 13: 49
        +1
        Quote: Vadim the Skeptic
        Religion has nothing to do with it, everything rests on the worldview and mentality of nations, peoples, nationalities, tribes, etc.

        You contradict yourself: religion is a part of culture (it is also a mentality), which in turn forms a world view to a large extent.
        1. Vadim-Skeptic
          Vadim-Skeptic 11 November 2013 14: 50
          0
          There is no contradiction, religion implies belief in the supernatural, this is not required from the worldview. Mentality is a psychological component of worldview, and can be considered separately from it.
    2. a52333
      a52333 11 November 2013 08: 56
      0
      Unfrozen Nationalist Response:
      There is no good answer in principle. The lesser of evils is self-isolation. The weak will die out themselves.
    3. Humpty
      Humpty 11 November 2013 08: 58
      14
      Behavior is laid from early childhood. In some, children before school learn to read, write, play with pets, learn to be clean in everyday life.
      In others, a child, seeing a cat throws a stone, grabs a stick. He throws stones at cars passing by, begs for no hunger, steals from an early age, learns a bit of adulthood to cope with sexual needs in a domestic cattle.
      I don’t know where the stereotypes of behavior come from, from nature or education.
      As adults, these two people will never love and respect each other.
      I think that there is no significant difference in the culture of different peoples, it either exists or does not exist.
      Decent people of any nationality will be able to find a common language.
      The trouble is that among a number of peoples, most people have rudeness, arrogance is the norm of behavior.
    4. ed65b
      ed65b 11 November 2013 10: 31
      -3
      do not confuse Islam and Islamism.
  • kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 11 November 2013 08: 24
    17
    I grew up in central Russia, my classmates were my friends, but we never had a question about who you are. We somehow did not even understand that Tatar or Armenian was the best friend: he was just Serega or Yura or Mustafa. We grew up in a country called the USSR, where the main thing was not who you are by nationality, but who you are by deeds and deeds. And I’ll add, remembering your childhood, talking about the friendship of peoples, except on the radio, I don’t remember, we were just friends! And never in the village did anyone call the paramedic Avakyan chock, he was his own among his own, like his children! And all these screams about the new national policy of Russia are simply a disguised pogrom of our old relations!
    1. 123dv
      123dv 11 November 2013 09: 10
      +4
      I would give you a hundred pluses!
      good
      1. kartalovkolya
        kartalovkolya 11 November 2013 19: 13
        0
        Do not! I wrote about how we lived and how we would like to live! Where are you brothers?
    2. Alexandr0id
      Alexandr0id 11 November 2013 10: 50
      +3
      was a different situation, in the central Russian school in a parallel pair of aliens was the maximum 100 students, and they were for the other students (except for friends) and "chocks" and "niggers" and "narrow-eyed", etc. well, at least until the middle classes, until the brains of the children grow back.
      and now there are 20 percent of them, and they can often already "jerk off" the rest of the class for such words. and that's a problem.
      1. Ptah
        Ptah 11 November 2013 12: 04
        +5
        Quote: Alexandr0id
        and now there are 20 percent

        But twenty? Read carefully ......
        At first glance, that photo was taken somewhere in Turkey, Syria, or Southeastern Europe, if not for characteristic clothing. This often happens and north of the 60th parallel.
        And will the soon-grown "assimilators" be enough for such an amount of "material"?
        Genetics, as we know, and "pseudoscience", but so far we lie only to ourselves, and science presents us with concrete evidence that the gene "black * opstva" is a dominant gene.
        1. aksakal
          aksakal 11 November 2013 12: 36
          +2
          Quote: Ptah
          But twenty? Read carefully ...... At first glance, that photo was taken somewhere in Turkey, Syria, or Southeastern Europe, if not for the characteristic clothes. This often happens and north of the 60th parallel.

          - If this is a photo of a Dagestan (I can’t exactly determine by eye, but it seems) school, is there such a crime? Moreover, take a look, they speak Russian -)))) The composition of the population that is characteristic for this region is approximately accurately reflected. But if this is a school in the Ryazan hinterland, then this is hardly normal, but then again, it’s not possible to drive these kids from Ryazan, especially if they are citizens of Russia. The solution - posted above - you need to give birth without regard to the norms of consumption standards imposed by anyone unknown.
          Here is my graduation photo of school times - for 40 people in the Kazakh class - me and a couple more people + one girl, from the local population, the rest - just as you circled in your photo, and this is in Kazakhstan, then this is exactly what it should raise questions. Well, like - "is everything all right with the local population? Where did it go?" etc. For the "Red Book of Peoples" also does not really want to get. And this can happen even in the absence of a purposeful policy or genocide, simply by natural displacement - some give birth more and better than others. Therefore, I am in favor of "giving birth" - no other measures of results have ever given and will not give! Serbs have tried - ask them. They will also be accused of genocide.
    3. Airman
      Airman 11 November 2013 11: 33
      +6
      Quote: kartalovkolya
      I grew up in central Russia, my classmates were my friends, but we never had a question about who you are. We somehow did not even understand that Tatar or Armenian was the best friend: he was just Serega or Yura or Mustafa. We grew up in a country called the USSR, where the main thing was not who you are by nationality, but who you are by deeds and deeds. And I’ll add, remembering your childhood, talking about the friendship of peoples, except on the radio, I don’t remember, we were just friends! And never in the village did anyone call the paramedic Avakyan chock, he was his own among his own, like his children! And all these screams about the new national policy of Russia are simply a disguised pogrom of our old relations!

      But in THESE TIMES they behaved differently, did not stick out their I and lived according to our laws.
      1. GDP
        GDP 11 November 2013 11: 58
        +4
        Not according to our laws - but according to general ... This is a significant difference ...
        In terms of the equality of all before all, the USSR was the fairest state in the world. There were very few reasons for enmity ...
      2. mamba
        mamba 11 November 2013 12: 35
        +6
        Quote: Povshnik
        But in THESE TIMES they behaved differently, did not stick out their I and lived according to our laws.

        The 10 percent threshold has long been passed. Now comes self-protrusion, ignoring our laws, imposing our standards of behavior and life. The next step is the massacre and pogroms.
  • july
    july 11 November 2013 08: 29
    +4
    The topic is relevant, the analysis is certainly superficial, but everyone is not forbidden to add their own. There is no mentality. There is no national idea, before, some kind of nikokaya, but it was also quite clear, now everything is blurry. There are no spiritual leaders, in the best sense of the word, who would force everyone to look in the right direction, in this regard, general amorphousness, desirability and hopelessness. There are small groups and simply sane people, but there are so few of them and against the background of universal consumerism, they are not in demand. If we talk about the melting pot, then with regret we have to see that it is full of holes, and drawing an analogy with an older statement on this topic "you can't put new wine into old wineskins ...", I think that there is still a lot to do and revise so that create this melting pot. So far there is no consensus between swan, crayfish and pike, so there is a lot of work to be done.
  • Normal
    Normal 11 November 2013 08: 31
    +7
    Correct article! What will the "merchants" say?
    But this is just the opinion of the author, albeit, in my opinion, absolutely true, but only an opinion. The policy and behavior of the pseudo-elite shows that the cap for them is much more important than the smelter
  • Grbear
    Grbear 11 November 2013 08: 32
    +8
    Another aspect of the development of a multinational state is not without logic. But for peacetime is not acceptable.

    What is it necessary to do so that there is neither strength nor time left? Only fight!?.

    In the USSR, there was a law on parasitism, restrictions on registration and ideological schemes (Komsomol + romance). It was not difficult to form labor armies, which found themselves in extreme conditions (organized by our "maybe it will do it this way"). Try to "build" current "Russians" pull BAM for "uncle" from Russian Railways.

    Honestly, I do not see any definite solution to the national question. Besides, rule of law.
    1. aksakal
      aksakal 11 November 2013 11: 42
      +3
      Quote: GrBear
      In the USSR, there was a law on parasitism, restrictions on registration and ideological schemes (Komsomol + romance). It was not difficult to form labor armies, which found themselves in extreme conditions (organized by our "maybe it will do it this way"). Try to "build" current "Russians" pull BAM for "uncle" from Russian Railways.

      - called "mobilization" economy. Unacceptable for permanent life, because it is still stress. They do not live under conditions of permanent stress, for they quickly perish. As a matter of fact, when the mobilization reserves were exhausted, the enthusiasm also ended, the population wanted to live in peace, to consume jeans, and gum. I wanted full showcases. And they didn't even think that someone was already sitting around the corner who was just waiting for the "client" to relax. laughing How relaxed - so all lost! laughing Stress again! laughing Just another one. There - on the basis of enthusiasm, now - on the basis of the need to survive, after all, everything was withdrawn technically in the "Ostapbender style". Lightning fast. Only the cunning red face of the main performer and managed to remember laughing
      The golden mean is always and everywhere important. You cannot live too much on "relaxation" and you cannot constantly live in strong "tension", it is important to find an exact measure.
  • Strashila
    Strashila 11 November 2013 09: 00
    +9
    There is no need to "fuse" anyone ... as practice shows, it turns out a monster. Each nation is beautiful with its individuality. No tolerance is needed, everyone must live according to the law ... no need to give anyone more than required, this is clearly seen in the example of the North Caucasus leads to only one dependency. The state should be for its citizens. all ... migrant workers, by definition, should be nothing. If newly formed citizens do not accept the rules of life of our state, they should be citizens of Lesha and sent to their ancestral homeland.
  • Grbear
    Grbear 11 November 2013 09: 03
    +3
    Another aspect of the solution of the national question, and not without logic. But for peacetime is not acceptable. What is it necessary to do so that there is neither strength nor time? Only fight !?

    In the USSR, there were power and ideological arguments: from the law on parasitism and registration to the Komsomol with the Charter and romance. It was not difficult to form labor armies, and Avos and DaLadnoITakSudit helped to create extreme sports.

    Try to "build" current "Russians" pull BAM for an uncle from Russian Railways fool .

    I do not see any acceptable way to resolve problems of a national nature, except The rule of law.
  • vlad.svargin
    vlad.svargin 11 November 2013 09: 06
    +8
    The equality of all diasporas and their members before the law, be they Russian or of another nationality, throughout Russia, including the national republics. And the punishment for the crimes of any citizen (regardless of the nation) must be inevitable. With the collapse of the USSR, all the dirt on national hostility came to the surface, starting from the outskirts, fiercely fueled by the "authors of the collapse." All the troubles began to be blamed on other nations, mostly on the Russians and "Caucasians"
    Many people take advantage of this to fulfill their plans (especially in Muslim countries abroad) and financially nourish such centers and create new ones, especially among unemployed youth. Nevertheless, it is necessary to draw the attention of our leaders to the Soviet experience. You cannot reject everything along with the good. We must have a common goal, common interests and common historical experience. It is high time for the state to establish public control over the media (and not from above, but from the bottom). Why there were almost no contradictions in the USSR, there was a common goal both in repelling aggression and in restoring and developing the development of the North of Siberia and the Far East. Almost all the nations worked together and there was no friction, unless it were bad, kind jokes. And why the so-called "nationalism" began to manifest itself among the Russians is a reaction to the "vaskism" of our authorities, toughening of Russians and relaxation of "guests" for crimes, although the law should be the same for everyone regardless of nationality and at the same time behave like a cat Leopold does nothing. And the authorities have long needed to pay attention to why the "guests" "poured" from their territories - there is no work, a very low living standard, crime and the lawlessness of national mafia structures.
  • Sterlya
    Sterlya 11 November 2013 09: 08
    -4
    All the talk about the interethnic "problem" is one of the ideas of the Naglosaks on the dismemberment of Russia. what they thought of before the October Revolution. Then, with the help of Lenin, they began to implement it. were allocated Kazakhstan. Uzbekistan, etc. and the current troublemakers continue their further movement
  • rauffg
    rauffg 11 November 2013 09: 08
    15
    Firstly, I am a citizen of my homeland - RUSSIA, which I love very much regardless of system, government, etc.
    Secondly, I am a Tatar, born in Western Siberia, knowing the language of their ancestors at the level of two or three words. And I speak Russian better than some.
    Thirdly, he was born in the USSR and do not recognize national differences. I am somehow ashamed when someone sticks out their nationality in my country. I believe that a single nation lives in Russia.
    Fourth, a senior reserve sergeant, ready at the first call to defend his homeland.
    And who am I all the same?
    1. a52333
      a52333 11 November 2013 09: 23
      10
      Quote: rauffg
      And who am I all the same?
      Here is someone, but no one separates the Tatars and Bashkirs from the titular. We are close at the genetic level.
      1. Rowicz
        Rowicz 11 November 2013 10: 48
        +8
        the same applies to the Mari and Komi and Mordovians and many others
      2. GDP
        GDP 11 November 2013 12: 08
        +3
        Here is someone, but no one separates the Tatars and Bashkirs from the titular. We are close at the genetic level. the same applies to the Mari and Komi and Mordovians and many others

        And at the same time, all these peoples have preserved their language and culture. They always existed peacefully with each other not supplanting and suppressing each other, but complementing each other ...
    2. Semurg
      Semurg 11 November 2013 10: 54
      +5
      Quote: rauffg
      Firstly, I am a citizen of my homeland - RUSSIA, which I love very much regardless of system, government, etc.
      Secondly, I am a Tatar, born in Western Siberia, knowing the language of their ancestors at the level of two or three words. And I speak Russian better than some.
      Thirdly, he was born in the USSR and do not recognize national differences. I am somehow ashamed when someone sticks out their nationality in my country. I believe that a single nation lives in Russia.
      Fourth, a senior reserve sergeant, ready at the first call to defend his homeland.
      And who am I all the same?

      Kazakh view. Firstly, a citizen of Russia. Secondly, if the parents lost their language of Russian Tatar origin. Thirdly internationalist. Fourth, the patriot of his country. The conclusion is Russian of Tatar origin with the worldview of a civil patriot. (Faith remained beyond the scope of discussion, although it is also important in the issue of self-identification, if the Orthodox faith through generation can safely speak Russian without mentioning Tatar origin. This path has passed many Horde and Tatar families, as they say assimilation)
      1. aksakal
        aksakal 11 November 2013 12: 42
        0
        Quote: Semurg
        if the Orthodox faith in a generation can safely speak Russian without mentioning Tatar origin. Many Horde and Tatar families went this way, which is called assimilation)

        - here’s the mystery tormenting me - if those future Russians scrape themselves, then what will be revealed? laughing
      2. Anatole Klim
        Anatole Klim 11 November 2013 13: 05
        +2
        Quote: Semurg
        if the Orthodox faith in a generation can safely speak Russian without mentioning Tatar origin.

        But what about the Kryashens, who live mainly in Tatarstan and Bashkortostan, who speak pure Tatar (without Rusisms, Arabisms, Farsisms) and have professed Orthodoxy for centuries.
        1. Semurg
          Semurg 11 November 2013 17: 07
          +3
          Quote: Anatole Klim
          Quote: Semurg
          if the Orthodox faith in a generation can safely speak Russian without mentioning Tatar origin.

          But what about the Kryashens, who live mainly in Tatarstan and Bashkortostan, who speak pure Tatar (without Rusisms, Arabisms, Farsisms) and have professed Orthodoxy for centuries.

          they Tatars live in the Tatar cultural and linguistic environment according to the Orthodox faith, and the above was an example when the language is lost (I read somewhere that a person is a representative of that nation in whose language he thinks) and there a person writes that the Tatar language is lost and speaks Russian perfectly, I suppose and thinks in Russian on this and I am writing Russian of Tatar origin. Well, Orthodoxy is something that will give a complete merger with the Russian community (a Russian of Tatar origin a Muslim will still raise questions, and when changing faith, complete assimilation is cultural, linguistic, religious)
          1. Anatole Klim
            Anatole Klim 11 November 2013 18: 09
            +1
            Quote: Semurg
            Well, Orthodoxy is what will give a complete merger with the Russian community

            If a person does not believe in God, I think this will not prevent him from completely merging with the Russian community.
            Quote: Semurg
            man is a representative of that nation in whose language he thinks

            You can’t argue with you here! are right.
            1. Semurg
              Semurg 11 November 2013 19: 42
              +1
              I don’t know how in Russia we seem to have no families left who don’t do religious rites. Orthodox Christians baptize children, Muslim circumcision. At the funeral, a Christian or Muslim rite is also observed. So you can’t get away from religion anywhere, it accompanies us from birth to death, even if we deny it, and any Muslim rites such as circumcision, fasting, prayers, weddings, funerals will prevent a person from merging with the Russian community. Atheists, too, are born and die and will not escape religious rites while they were small or after death.
    3. olviko
      olviko 11 November 2013 11: 05
      +5
      "And who am I after all?"

      Judging by the description, you are the same, correctly melted alloy. My respect to you!
    4. polly
      polly 11 November 2013 14: 09
      +4
      Plus to you, rauffg. I grew up on the outskirts of a seaside town in a cement factory workers' village. A lot of Tatars lived on the surrounding streets, but there was never any hostility, because the moral was different in society, people shared only on the good and the bad. At school I was friends with Akhmetova, I sat with Bekbulatov at one desk, and only he could say that he was a good guy and an excellent student ...
      We had Naila in the factory team, a beauty and a clever girl, her husband, a military pilot, served in the Novo-Sysoevsky garrison (maybe anyone knows that), so everyone loved her very much.
    5. Alex66
      Alex66 11 November 2013 14: 27
      +3
      I’ll try to answer, only for a start it’s necessary to abandon the theory of a melting pot, this is an American model, we have a model different nations do not dissolve in the process of unification, but complement each other, as in reinforced concrete, as in composite materials. Therefore, you have turned out to be a citizen of your homeland of Russia, but you have not disappeared as a Tatar.
    6. kaktus
      kaktus 11 November 2013 16: 53
      +3
      Mustai Karim
      I'M RUSSIAN
      I am not Russian, but Russian. Now
      I say, free and strong:
      I grew like a green oak on top,
      I have drunk the water of Russian rivers.
      I have the right to be proud of my life -
      We have one fate given to the Russians.
      Four centuries in exploits and glory
      Our tribes intertwined with their roots.
      Moscow has long been my voice of friendship hearing
      Responded, full of strength.
      And the Russian brother - what is in the world above! -
      Connected with my fate.
      I am not Russian, but Russian. Be called
      So forever, my soul, be proud!
      Give five lives!
      They can equal
      My fate is the only life.
      Russian with Bashkir - satellites on the road,
      Eateries - since the mash is on the table,
      Companions - on military alert,
      Forever somogilniki - in the ground.
      When they kissed like two brothers
      With the mighty Pugachev Salavat,
      In your soul that is rich in friendship
      Increased love, my Russian brother.
      I am not Russian, but Russian. Honor
      No above. I am the country of the Soviet son.
      We live together and rise together
      To the radiance of sparkling peaks.
      In my soul - spring dawns spill,
      A ray of sunlight penetrated my eyes.
      At the heart is the song of the joy of the universe,
      That through the centuries has made its way, like a spring.
      And I loved the power in man
      And I learned to take the joy of life.,
      For it all, for it all - forever
      I am grateful to you, Russian brother.
      You gave the taste to my bread and water
      He turned my steppes alive,
      You are my people, for the joy of the people,
      With other nations related.
      I am not Russian, but Russian. Be called
      So forever, my soul, be proud!
      Ten lives can equal
      My fate is the only life.
      Translation by M. Dudin
  • Known who
    Known who 11 November 2013 09: 15
    +2
    In order to give birth, you need an economic basis, and the majority of the population does not have it - children are now an expensive pleasure. Large families only belong to assimilated emigrants from neighboring countries (or those who do not know the word contraceptive). Assimilation must be carried out, but it must be carried out only in a categorically harsh form, so that the person living in the country does not say: "Don't understand mine," so that every emigrant knows that if the law is violated, not only he, but also his relatives will suffer, as in Russia and in the historical homeland, so that there is no thought to break the law in the host country. Impunity gives rise to permissiveness and anarchy, contributes to the stratification of society into community groups and the formation of organized crime groups along ethnic lines.
    1. kaktus
      kaktus 11 November 2013 16: 56
      0
      The case of a woman in labor in Vladivostok - they manage without any economic basis. And nishtyak ... wassat
  • Exististor
    Exististor 11 November 2013 09: 30
    +9
    I wonder if there is at least one Russian person who would be against progress? No. Even if it implies a rejection to some extent of part of their national identity. A Russian, even moving to a permanent place of residence somewhere abroad, does not create a diaspora there. He becomes part of the society he came to. And now try to explain to some inhabitant of a "small but very proud republic" that he must abandon his medieval customs to embrace the country and progress. Ha! If only the author would better explain to them the advantages of the melting pot, and not kick the Russian nationalists.
    1. Alexandr0id
      Alexandr0id 11 November 2013 11: 19
      +1
      Quote: Existor
      Russian even moving to a permanent place of residence somewhere abroad, does not create diasporas there. He becomes part of the society where he came.

      let's not lie to ourselves, many do not even learn the language. in the same Finland they listen to the local radio in Russian, watch Russian TV channels, and from the Finnish only "päive" and "kyitos" are known. however, those Finns, who have 80% of the guests in the hotels Russian, also not a word in Russian.
  • And Us Rat
    And Us Rat 11 November 2013 09: 57
    +2
    Quote: a52333
    Unfrozen Nationalist Response:
    There is no good answer in principle. The lesser of evils is self-isolation. The weak will die out themselves.


    This can be considered as an option, but it is difficult to implement. I had in mind a decision that would not be possible only under a totalitarian regime (although in Europe it seems that people are trying to push the consensus on this issue in the event of a popular referendum). And yet ... the weak may not die out, but gather in packs and fall into radicalism, especially if they feel that there is nothing to lose.
  • Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 11 November 2013 10: 10
    10
    Stop, stop, what if I am not interested in the cultures of small peoples? What to do? I absolutely do not care what gods the Chechens believed in 1000 years ago or how the Chukchi hunt, I am also absolutely not interested in other small peoples, whoever wants to, please let them study and enjoy, it's like physics and mathematics with a subject at school, but I'm sick of history and social science, a person can be broken through the knee, thus giving him external humility and internal hatred, which will later look for a way out ... Leaving the Chechens behind the scenes because I did not see adequate representatives of this people (but they probably exist), but those that I saw, the first fired at me and tried to throw a grenade, which knocked me out of the rut, the second were rude, ride with melee weapons and dance lezginka, okay in Chechnya, okay, who cares, let them study. For me personally, culture and history are much more interesting great nations, be it from ancient Greece and Rome to "beloved" here on the US website. I ask you to understand me correctly, but why should I, for example, study history, how would it be better to say, uh, peoples who have not been able to real To take Rome as an example, where did he start from? From a small town with a handful of young people, there were practically no women, but at first they went all over the place just stupidly robbing everything around, but later something or someone set their brains in place, and from a small valley of Latium and a handful of Latins, they swung them into the greatest empire that ever existed ... The Chechens, as they were in the "starting position" of robbers and murderers, like the Romans 2500 years ago, so in fact they remained ... So why tell me to study the history and culture of losers?
    1. Alexandr0id
      Alexandr0id 11 November 2013 11: 14
      +2
      only the Romans were left, and the Chechens cheerfully dance the Lezghinka.
      this is the question of losers))
      1. Standard Oil
        Standard Oil 11 November 2013 12: 18
        +4
        Yes, and the Papuans somewhere on the islands of the Pacific Ocean still eat kakos with bananas and don’t blow a mustache, let’s be like them, or let’s start dancing, too, we won’t do anything, money and all material goods are from "God" , then we will again descend to the level of primitive monkeys who can dance lizginka, eat and reproduce. The Romans entered history as one of the greatest creator nations who pulled a bunch of nations out of barbarism, but how will our "dancers" go down in history? Take the Russians out of Russia, and everything will fall apart, remove the "dancers" or other small people and nothing will happen.
        1. RBLip
          RBLip 11 November 2013 12: 47
          +7
          Quote: Standard Oil
          take away the "dancers" or other small people and nothing will happen.

          will happen. going out into the street in the evening will be calmer. taxes will not go to feed these burials, but to conditional doctors and teachers, etc. Speak not to happen ...
      2. Normal
        Normal 11 November 2013 12: 36
        +4
        Quote: Alexandr0id
        only the Romans were left, and the Chechens cheerfully dance the Lezghinka.

        The fate of all imperial peoples is extinction and extinction. All empires sooner or later collapse, and on their ruins flourish, if it can be called prosperity, peoples from the former colonies. The best minds of the titular peoples of modern empires in time understood this tendency and tried to get rid of the colonies in order to preserve not only their national identity, but also their very existence. It doesn’t work out very well yet, as the matter is not completed and the doors are open for migrants from former colonies for the sake of cheap labor.
        We are distinguished by the fact that we strive for rake dancing. The world historical and even modern experience is not a decree for us and all the flags are not visiting, but the hosts to us.
        1. uhjpysq1
          uhjpysq1 12 November 2013 21: 24
          -1
          but why did Rome fade away? Isn’t it that they came here in white stone))
        2. uhjpysq1
          uhjpysq1 12 November 2013 22: 02
          -1
          what kind of boiler that nonsense. in the union didn’t work. And now it won’t work. By 1 I can assimilate. but not millions. and how they imagine it in the Kremlin. a million migrants should fuck a million local women. so whether their women do not go to us for millions.
    2. GDP
      GDP 11 November 2013 12: 11
      +3
      I ask you to understand me correctly, but why should I, for example, study history, as it were, to put it better, uh, peoples who failed to realize themselves as great and titular.

      Because these peoples are part of our country ...
      But - the study of their cultures should be identical to their contribution to the development of our state ...
      1. Standard Oil
        Standard Oil 11 November 2013 12: 22
        +3
        Quote: GDP
        Because these peoples are part of our country ... But - the study of their cultures should be identical to their contribution to the development of our state ...

        So then you will only have to study Russian culture, for the contribution of the rest is at the level of statistical error.
        1. aksakal
          aksakal 11 November 2013 23: 12
          +2
          Quote: Standard Oil
          Quote: GDP
          Because these peoples are part of our country ... But - the study of their cultures should be identical to their contribution to the development of our state ...

          So then you will only have to study Russian culture, for the contribution of the rest is at the level of statistical error.
          but one cannot linearly approach here, the process of cultural influence is a substantially non-linear process. Georgians in the USSR was how much%? And the cultural influence was more noticeable than those of the much more numerous Ukrainians or Uzbeks. I’m silent about the cultural influence of the very small diaspora of the USSR, which there were even fewer than Georgians, but the specialization of this diaspora is precisely in culture and science ... In short, you understand what kind of diaspora I am. If anything, I don’t see Russian culture on your television, it is the culture of another diaspora, and it completely clogged your vaunted Russian culture. So reassure your Velirian ego, sit down at your desk and be so kind as to learn at least at the level of erudition the culture of at least those peoples who live on the territory of the Russian Federation and live side by side with you.
          Py.Sy. Russia is strong precisely because it contains not only Russian culture, but the synergy of many cultures. Tatars are very noticeable in cinema, in sports - and this is part of the culture in martial arts, Caucasians are also very noticeable. The variety of KVN is covered by cultural differences - the "Makhachkala vagrants" differ markedly from the RUDNovskaya hodgepodge. And to rush to call small peoples losers - in general, it characterizes you best of all, and from a far from better side.
  • And Us Rat
    And Us Rat 11 November 2013 10: 11
    +8
    A Chechen, who was detained in Moscow today in a Porsche Cayenne without numbers and with two pistols, should have been sent to the Face of Chechnya contest. Here is a living embodiment of the archetype cultivated by the head of the republic, Ramzan Kadyrov. He is known to be a big fan of cars and guns. And, judging by the slogan that was born for the competition "We strive to bring up the youth to match Leader Kadyrov", fellow countrymen are inclined to imitate him in everything.

    Here - in the news found recently.
  • ed65b
    ed65b 11 November 2013 10: 23
    +5
    The author is right, only who will launch the melting pot? privatizers and hucksters are in power.
  • Alexandr0id
    Alexandr0id 11 November 2013 10: 42
    +5
    nothing will work with the smelter. it's all about resistance to assimilation (if I may say so). Russians assimilate Finno-Ugrians quite easily, but in any way with Caucasians and Central Asians, in mixed marriages in 99% of cases Russians are not obtained.
    the matter is conscious and subconscious racism, Russians (as well as the majority of Europeans) are not able to take for their person with even a slightly different racial type. it so happened, it’s neither good nor bad.
    therefore, children in mixed marriages automatically become non-Russian.
    the same Central Asians in this matter are much more cosmopolitan. inside the same Uzbeks or Kazakhs there are very large racial differences from very Mongoloids to specific Caucasians, so they are psychologically somewhat simpler to mix.
    so it’s probably not a melting pot, but increasing the birth rate inside the nation is a more suitable recipe.
    1. Normal
      Normal 11 November 2013 15: 46
      +1
      Quote: Alexandr0id
      the matter is conscious and subconscious racism, Russians (as well as the majority of Europeans) are not able to take for their person with even a slightly different racial type.

      Not true. I don’t know how the majority of Europeans are, and the Russians Viktor Tsoi and Kostya Tszyu do not cause any rejection. Tell me that these are not Caucasians? But even among the Slavs there are few such Russians as the Circassian Timur Sultanovich Shaov. It's not racism. You will be Russian soul and thoughts, and even if you are a Negro, you will become your own for Russians.
      Quote: Alexandr0id
      it's all about resistance to assimilation (if I may say so). Russians assimilate Finno-Ugrians quite easily, but in any way with Caucasians and Central Asians, in mixed marriages in 99% of cases Russians are not obtained.

      There is no resistance to assimilation. There is a cultural and mental isolation of Caucasians who impede assimilation. If there are no diasporas and significant groups of tribesmen, Caucasians assimilate in the same way as everyone else. Not in the first, but in the second or third generations.
      About the Finno-Ugric. How many years does Mordovians live side by side with Russians? And in areas of compact residence, in purely Mordovian villages and villages, they retain their identity and are not particularly assimilated
      1. Alexandr0id
        Alexandr0id 11 November 2013 18: 57
        +1
        Quote: Normal
        You will be Russian soul and thoughts, and even if you are a Negro, you will become your Russian

        lies. take for his own, i.e. consider him the same Russian just from birth, and not based on the results of his life's accomplishments. and by the time he composes a kilogram of songs, he is already an established person who has clearly defined his nationality.
        Quote: Normal
        About Finno-Finns

        So, Mordovians, Udmurts, Mari, Komi, moving to the Russian regions in the second generation become Russian. and often so: papa-Komi, Belarusian mother, and Russian children.
        Quote: Normal
        If there are no diasporas and significant groups of tribesmen, Caucasians assimilate in the same way as everyone else. Not in the first, but in the second or third generations.

        the fact of the matter is that in 3-4 generations. and so, of course, everyone assimilates, even though Neanderthals
      2. aksakal
        aksakal 11 November 2013 23: 58
        +1
        Quote: Normal
        Quote: Alexandr0id
        the matter is conscious and subconscious racism, Russians (as well as the majority of Europeans) are not able to take for their person with even a slightly different racial type.

        Not true. I don’t know how the majority of Europeans are, and the Russians Viktor Tsoi and Kostya Tszyu do not cause any rejection. Tell me that these are not Caucasians? But even among the Slavs there are few such Russians as the Circassian Timur Sultanovich Shaov. It's not racism. You will be Russian soul and thoughts, and even if you are a Negro, you will become your own for Russians.
        There is no resistance to assimilation. There is a cultural and mental isolation of Caucasians who impede assimilation. If there are no diasporas and significant groups of tribesmen, Caucasians assimilate in the same way as everyone else. Not in the first, but in the second or third generations.
        About the Finno-Ugric. How many years does Mordovians live side by side with Russians? And in areas of compact residence, in purely Mordovian villages and villages, they retain their identity and are not particularly assimilated
        - in Kazakhstan, too, 100 nationalities are doing well, but there are no such problems. And one of the reasons (albeit one of the most important, but one - and let the experts determine the other reasons) - the Kazakhs simply do not allow anyone to live compactly. There are Chechens evicted during the Stalin years. They would be happy to create villages in which only they and no one else would live, but they will certainly buy a house in this village and begin to live and live without embarrassment, and without even feeling the slightest discomfort either from an alien cultural environment or from oblique views "why the hell did you come here to live?" some Kazakh from Shymkent - these mobile guys penetrate even the most unsuitable for life corners of Kazakhstan and manage to live there, which is the talk of the town. Fly another one for him - and after a while it is an ordinary Kazakhstani village with a multinational population. How would a kind of mixer work, which does not allow the multinational people of Kazakhstan to settle in places of compact residence and there quietly cultivate their chauvinistic moods, so that they can then throw them out where they have to meet with citizens of a different ethnicity. When there is a Korean on the right at work, a Uyghur on the left, a Russian in front, and a Caucasian in the back, in public transport, in a queue in a supermarket, at a nearby table in a restaurant, etc. - you will shove your chauvinism to hell, because you will simply get tired of conflict. Then you have to do it every minute. And when you live the lion's share of the time in your teip CONFLICTLY and once a month you get out somewhere, where you see unusual faces with not quite familiar behavior - why not troll? At the same time, express your phraseological unit, throw out the accumulated aggression, assert yourself and so on and so forth? Destroy places of compact residence, there is no such law that allows only Chechens to live in this village, etc.
  • july
    july 11 November 2013 11: 32
    +2
    Quote: Standard Oil
    Stop, stop, and if I'm not interested in the culture of small nations? What to do? I'm absolutely sorry, I don’t care what gods the Chechens believed 1000 years ago or how the Chukchi hunt, I’m also completely uninteresting in other small nations

    It is like a tree structure, family, courtyard, city, national coloring, etc. all this represents the tree of the state and the sun this tree in different ways from different sides all branches warm and winds and hurricanes have to someone more, someone less to take on themselves, and there are no identical leaves and flowers, but all turn green or crumble together. And we can bask and "rustle" side by side, but belong to different branches ... But when a branch is cut, the whole tree is bad. Here is a leaf and a branch on a tree - this is a tree, and those torn off and carried away by the wind are just a leaf or a branch.
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  • Akim
    Akim 11 November 2013 11: 32
    +3
    Generally sacrilege to redo the picture. Replacing the Soviet flag with a tricolor. I understand that you love your country, but respect others. In that picture, everyone was holding either flowers or flags of their republics, against the background of a red banner.
    1. Ptah
      Ptah 11 November 2013 12: 20
      +2
      Actually, in the picture, there is no "Caucasus" under the heading.
      1

      For that is UZBEK, holding the Russian tricolor in his left hand, and the "Baltic" in his right. Apparently he is thus led to the "Schengen" ........
      1. Akim
        Akim 11 November 2013 12: 36
        +1
        Quote: Ptah
        For that there is UZBEK, holding the Russian tricolor in his left hand, and the "Baltic" in his right.

        I can not find the original on the network. This is a picture from the Soviet Primer. They just photographed her.
      2. alone
        alone 11 November 2013 19: 53
        +1
        Quote: Ptah
        For that is UZBEK, holding the Russian tricolor in his left hand, and the "Baltic" in his right. Apparently he is thus led to the "Schengen" ........


        it’s kind of Turkmen. Uzbeks don’t wear such caps. One fact proves the fact of photoshop. In Russia there are so many Turkmens?
  • Teacher
    Teacher 11 November 2013 11: 50
    -1
    Quote: nick 1 and 2
    Quote: JIaIIoTb
    Competently, briefly, reasoned.



    Not! Not competently! (like everything is HOWEVER) Superficially, invitingly, seductively and ONLY!

    It is necessary, it is necessary!

    First you need to feed the people, you need to find that "locomotive" that will pull the entire economy, you need to get into that stream - the world demand for what your factories will produce. WITH THIS, how?
    The factories in the present are narrow-profile! But built! (this is not the South - you won’t make a straw) It began to produce for ten years (minimum) and the world has changed demand.
    So what ? Hundreds of billions to nothing?

    La la, poplars!

    The world is different !!!! Aw!

    Quote: nick 1 and 2
    Quote: JIaIIoTb
    Competently, briefly, reasoned.



    Not! Not competently! (like everything is HOWEVER) Superficially, invitingly, seductively and ONLY!

    It is necessary, it is necessary!

    First you need to feed the people, you need to find that "locomotive" that will pull the entire economy, you need to get into that stream - the world demand for what your factories will produce. WITH THIS, how?
    The factories in the present are narrow-profile! But built! (this is not the South - you won’t make a straw) It began to produce for ten years (minimum) and the world has changed demand.
    So what ? Hundreds of billions to nothing?

    La la, poplars!

    The world is different !!!! Aw!
  • olviko
    olviko 11 November 2013 11: 53
    0
    I think with that value system that is being imposed on us, or maybe already imposed:
    "Practicalism and rationalism Covetousness and usury (wealth elevated to the rank of religious virtue); the principle of possession prevails:" we live in order to possess things "
    Individualism and activism
    Absolutization of law = “Totalitarian democracy”
    Conviction of Civilizational Superiority
    Materialism, property rights raised to the absolute "
    In a society where everyone is only for himself, no alloy can be obtained. Today it is just a conglomerate consisting of separate parts, there is no unity and friendship not only between peoples. Huge material inequality, injustice, led to a conflict within the peoples themselves. It is necessary to return to the traditional, centuries-old values ​​on which many generations of the peoples of Russia have been brought up: Spirituality, Idealism and irrationalism, Collectivism and contemplation, Absolutization of the state = Voluntary
    ministry of a “totalitarian community”, Conviction of cultural superiority, Primate of justice, Joint household management, socially owned means of production, Spiritual and territorial expansionism, when peoples are drawn into an expanding joint space based on partnership and mutual assistance, Non-possession and denial of usury.
  • Yeraz
    Yeraz 11 November 2013 11: 53
    +2
    The article is complete nonsense. Blah blah. What kind of cauldron? Russian married an Armenian, a lot of such stories, but a Russian man with a Muslim is a rarity. But a Muslim with a Russian is a frequent episode. And by the way, children in such marriages are more likely Russian, still mother it is more influential except if the father is tough, BUT the child does not seem to behave like a Russian and feels himself, but there is no place to put genes anywhere and visually he is a stranger and sooner or later, especially now, he will return to his own time.
    And even more so now is the age of the Internet, how can one assimilate
    Here I am an Azerbaijani, a relative in St. Petersburg from the 40s, and that we assimilated ?? Not a bit. You come home, turn on the TV and watch the Turkish Turkish channels, go to relax in the Turkish Turkish restaurants in the city, a lot of your dance and sports groups, Sunday school. But it is now, but my parents didn’t have it, BUT they did not assimilate.
    And the younger generation who was born here is more anti-immune than the older one, because they are better educated and know the history of their historical homeland better and they grew up in Russia, where they feel hostility to themselves and they are many times more nationalistic than the parents who grew up in the USSR.
    And therefore, how this Simonyan is trying to assimilate everyone and melt in a cauldron remains unclear to me.
  • Pushkar
    Pushkar 11 November 2013 11: 54
    +1
    The author of the article is respect and respect. An excellent brief analysis and justification of the way out of the existing situation.
  • optimist
    optimist 11 November 2013 11: 54
    +3
    All this "foam" that has recently risen around the national question is beneficial, first of all, to the current u.b. power in order to distract the plebs from pressing problems. As it has long been known - "please and rule". To solve this problem at the government level is elementary: to introduce visas and other bureaucratic and police measures for external migrants. To pacify the local black-berry "rasiyans", it is enough to threaten the heads of the diasporas that, "if something happens," they will go to the polar bears in the Arctic to sell cucumbers and tomatoes. And publicly hang a couple of dozen "rams" for "nuts" for domestic hooliganism. Otherwise, we will inevitably slide towards the "third Chechen war." But the problem is that the authorities benefit from the current tense situation ...
    1. aksakal
      aksakal 11 November 2013 12: 58
      -1
      Quote: optimist
      To pacify the local black-berry "rasiyans", it is enough to threaten the heads of the diasporas that, "if something happens," they will go to the polar bears in the Arctic to sell cucumbers and tomatoes

      - well, I would not say that the Russians are behaving quite too law-abiding. But here you can run into the objection "on our own land we ourselves will deal with our violators of the law." The fact is that the Russian Federation is one state and here
      Quote: optimist
      To pacify the local black-berry "rasiyans", it is enough to threaten the heads of the diasporas,

      - this is just superfluous, moreover, in your post because of the word "chernyagodichnyh" there is also an insulting focus on the ethnic component. It is much more effective to ensure the equality of the law for all throughout the territory of the Russian Federation, regardless (here you can list all the differences) FOR ALL! When this is not there - in Russia this is not, the Polonskys can send to ... anyone who does not have a billion (well, in Kazakhstan, too, if not more), then a vocation to fulfill every letter of the law
      Quote: optimist
      blackberry "rasiyan"

      ABSOLUTELY USEFUL! By the way, the Sabzh clearly states that behind every supposedly transnational crime, including the same Biryulyovo, there are commonplace economic or criminal (or a mixture of these two factors) interests of some individuals in general of some thread of the third ethnic group. In SAJE in the proposal that you need to change the economic landscape itself, and not try to change people, there is definitely something sensible. You need to think about this -)))
      1. optimist
        optimist 11 November 2013 13: 37
        +3
        Quote: aksakal
        - this is just superfluous

        Well, what do you specifically suggest?
        Quote: aksakal
        It is much more effective to ensure equality of law for all throughout the Russian Federation independently (here you can list all the differences) FOR ALL!

        Again, intersny, HOW ??? Let's also dream about "world peace" and similar utopian dreams. As for my unflattering statements about fellow citizens from the UK, there are too many reasons for this. No other methods, except for Stalin's and Yermolov's, do not work on them. And no "melting pot" with "multiculturalism" and "tolerance" will help here. There are only two options: either they are forced to live according to all-Russian laws, or the "third Caucasian" ...
        1. aksakal
          aksakal 11 November 2013 23: 35
          +1
          Quote: optimist
          Quote: aksakal
          - this is just superfluous

          Well, what do you specifically suggest?
          Quote: aksakal
          It is much more effective to ensure equality of law for all throughout the Russian Federation independently (here you can list all the differences) FOR ALL!

          Again, intersny, HOW ??? Let's also dream about "world peace" and similar utopian dreams. As for my unflattering statements about fellow citizens from the UK, there are too many reasons for this. No other methods, except for Stalin's and Yermolov's, do not work on them. And no "melting pot" with "multiculturalism" and "tolerance" will help here. There are only two options: either they are forced to live according to all-Russian laws, or the "third Caucasian" ...
          - refer to the experience of the USSR. In the USSR, even managed to plant Churbanov. I can’t imagine that the deputy minister of the Ministry of Internal Affairs + the beloved son-in-law of the Secretary General would go to jail for corruption. We have experience in Kazakhstan. we also have one hundred nationalities living - why are there no such frictions?
  • Tartary
    Tartary 11 November 2013 12: 08
    +1
    Soviet melting pot boiled over energy upgrades.

    About this yesterday, Solovyov, clearly said Prokhanov ... Better and you will not say, probably ...
  • EdwardTich68
    EdwardTich68 11 November 2013 13: 17
    +2
    There are no questions to those, for example, who remained after serving in the SA in Russia, normal people.
    But about 20-30 years old creatures have completely degraded. They are not capable of anything human with their Islam.
  • Vladimir65
    Vladimir65 11 November 2013 13: 45
    +1
    Roman Nosikov always writes interestingly and always on topical topics, but this article is somehow not completed quite right, namely the conclusion is scanty. "To start the melting boiler, it is necessary to start the progress mechanism". I believe that this condition is necessary, but not sufficient. Mechanism development in the prevailing socio-economic and political conditions, launch is unlikely to succeed. All significant projects in the real economy and in the social sphere are carried out at the expense of the budget. Capitalism is not wealthy in Russia. The new bourgeois can only make a profit, cut the budget and withdraw funds abroad. The second part of the conclusion is needed - a change in the social and political structure of the state. In the USSR there were no acute problems on the national question. This was facilitated by the appropriate deployment of industrial enterprises throughout the country and their relationship with each other, thoughtful manning (draft) of the army, the presence of a large number of Komsomol construction projects, where people mixed up and got acquainted with each other, with the culture and customs of each other, a higher role was played by the higher education system - student teams.
    On the night of November 10 to 11, I watched the program of V. Solovyov, where in a sense the same question was examined between national relations and the concept of a single history textbook and realized that the assembled liberals (with the exception of Prokhanov) represented by Svanidze, Pivovarov and their company they cannot solve a single question. They can only curse the USSR and organize de-Stalinization. The difference between the USSR and modern Russia http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gaUPc12RWQ#t=195
  • Alex66
    Alex66 11 November 2013 14: 04
    +1
    Roughly speaking: this is in order to produce, study and discover, we need a labor collective with all its attributes, and it is best to steal and snatch just on the basis of nationality and kinship.
    Here are the answers to all the eternal questions of Russia, who is to blame and what to do.
  • Warrawar
    Warrawar 11 November 2013 14: 56
    +2
    What kind of "melting pots" do they want with multiculturalism ... in Europe, all the leading politicians, in one voice, said that the idea of ​​multiculturalism had completely failed and are already looking for ways to get rid of "unwanted" citizens. And our sheep, from the outside, see the mistake made by Europe, but they themselves do the same.
  • Alex_T
    Alex_T 11 November 2013 15: 47
    +1
    The "melting pot" is a great idea that worked under the Soviet Union. But now capitalism is in the yard, and the "foam" around the national question is just a consequence of the structure of the modern "market" economy and the lack of state management of this economy and politics for citizens. Employers benefit from the use of cheap slave labor, hence the influx of guest workers from Sr. Asia. The long absence of state law and power in the Caucasus has put tribal relations above the law, as a result - ethnic criminal groups and diasporas in which there is at least some kind of mutual aid, in contrast to "state support." And the cops (the police) do not serve the interests of citizens, but protect the "moneybags" from which they feed, otherwise how to explain the existence of any "authorities" such as "tsapoks". First of all, the authorities must restore the rule of law throughout their country, eliminate crime and corruption, and strictly suppress all attempts to split society (such as radical Islam, fascism, nationalism), and something may fuse there.
    1. Humpty
      Humpty 11 November 2013 18: 35
      0
      The "melting pot" is a great idea that worked under the Soviet Union.

      True, only partly .basaev rested in Artek as a pioneer. And in spite of the prizes in the school olympiads, I somehow did not succeed.
  • Dimon-chik-79
    Dimon-chik-79 11 November 2013 17: 26
    +1
    We stubbornly refuse to take into account the experience of countries that have experienced such "melting pots" on their own skin with side effects in the form of off-scale crime and especially related to the spread of drugs, long queues for unemployment benefits, a drop in the general cultural level, degradation of society and moral universal human qualities ... And all this is created for one purpose, the enrichment of the oligarchs. And multiculturalism and friendship of peoples is used as a mask, as a specious cover for this.
    I would like to note that we are already cooking in this cauldron. And there are a lot of victims of this process: disenfranchised guest workers, who are dying in batches and injured at construction sites and not only (or simply disappearing without a trace), whose citizens of Russia are robbed, killed, raped, poisoned with drugs, deprived of work due to dumping of cheap labor force. Not for illusions, you just need to turn on your head, take a sober look at what is happening in Europe and America. How all these illusions disappeared in the USSR during its disintegration, when almost all "friendly peoples" began to make friends against Russia, killing and expelling Russian people. Facts are stubborn things and truth is concrete.
    PS
    Our country needs migrants, but not in such an uncontrolled amount. Well, not like ten percent of the population. They must work legally (according to quotas and not to the detriment of local labor resources), receive a salary, pay taxes, have "human" housing and medical insurance.
    1. Warrawar
      Warrawar 11 November 2013 17: 34
      +1
      In the USA, the "melting pot" worked exactly as long as the flows of migration were coming from Europe. White Europeans perfectly "fused" with each other and formed the American nation. After the flow of "white" migration dried up and hordes of "colored" Young Americans poured into the country, problems began and the "cauldron" broke down.
      1. aksakal
        aksakal 11 November 2013 23: 30
        0
        Quote: Warrawar
        In the USA, the "melting pot" worked exactly as long as the flows of migration were coming from Europe. White Europeans perfectly "fused" with each other and formed the American nation. After the flow of "white" migration dried up and hordes of "colored" Young Americans poured into the country, problems began and the "cauldron" broke down.
        - which does not prevent the "colored" Obama from taking offense at the words of the Russian president about doubts about the "exclusiveness of the American people" and especially for him to repeat and insist on this exclusiveness. Is that the way the boiler is broken? Or is Obama just naive? Then a bunch of black Americans, who fought quite bravely (well, here the Vietnamese fought even more bravely, albeit less skillfully) for American interests, also naive fools. Or is racism a little off the charts? Varravar, the significant one. Ok, Varravar
  • kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 11 November 2013 19: 34
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    Guys! What a cauldron, what transformations, it's strange to hear all this: we are normal people living in a normal territory called Russia! Whom and why to "melt", what are YOU absolutely fucking?
  • uhjpysq1
    uhjpysq1 12 November 2013 22: 12
    -1
    bullshit)) what kind of boiler can you assimilate by 1mu, but not millions. And how do they imagine it in the Kremlin? Million migrants should fuck a million local women? Now let this fool Simonyan start from himself))) although she do not care under whom to go, it’s multicultural))