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Stop “fighting” with Ukraine and its people

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Stop “fighting” with Ukraine and its people



Recently, the number of articles on the European election of Ukraine, about the hateful association has simply gone wild. Or else it will be when "historical»Summit in Vilnius. Oh, oh, oh.

For me, this is not the most important topic regarding Ukraine. Much more important is our common cultural and religious space, our common history and common future, family ties and identical genes, as well as attempts to challenge and vulgarize all of the above.

What is 20 with a tail of TEMPORARY boundaries, if we are tied together by centuries of joint victories and accomplishments, what is it nezalezhnishist, if even 1000 years before the first mention of the term "Ukraine" we were one. Adherents of the “most ancient people of the world - ukrov” and collectors of the shards of Tripoli culture, take care: or honestly, call your “historical works” boringly written fantasy.

What difference does it make if Newmazpe subscribes to Eurocabal or not, this will not change anything. Do you really think that the Ukrainian authorities respect any scribbles? In vain in Moscow, Brussels, Washington and Beijing, treaties with Ukraine are kept in vaults - throw them out quickly, zero sense from them. When in Kiev they think that the association is not profitable for them, it will be canceled, and the outside signatory can be imprisoned "for exceeding their authority" (it will be funny and not at all surprising if Tymoshenko is imprisoned by Yanukovych).

Believe me, in Vilnius there is no device stolen from Dr. Evil, splitting Eurasia into blessed Europe and a dull and oppressive Asia (although many Russophobes are suffering about this). Let the Europeans sign what they want, but it would be better to read the “Leader of the Redskins”. I am more concerned about the reaction of Russia.

The Kremlin had to grow up and go pro-Russian force in Ukraine itself, which would convince its citizens in unity in the move (or svidomo divorced, who, if in Russian, do not believe a word) and language. The big problem is that in the countries of Eastern Europe and the former Soviet republics, sensible people, unlike Euroidians, lack a tribune.

Unfortunately, Russia was not interested and is not interested in this area, limited only by accounting debit and credit.

In Ukraine, the stake was made on Yanukovych and his PR, but this figure, by definition, could not be a figure uniting the whole of Ukraine, since when he tries to speak the national language (the second is not, eh?), no one can understand him. He is interesting, until recently, as if pro-Russian, but after he had quit in his own way superhit by Verka Serdyuchka “Rush, Goodbye”, it is better not to talk about him as a politician at all.

In my article “The Party of Heat Will Win in Ukraine,” I suggested that a new powerful pro-Russian force would arise with the inevitable serious deterioration in the standard of living of the population after the association.

Now, despite all the press from the Donetsk mafia, there are politicians who are not afraid to protest against the disastrous course of the West. It seems to me that the leaders of the conditional heat batch of Ukraine will be among them; those who will not bend, will not break, will not sell, will be guidelines for the Russian part of the country. And for Western Ukraine, it needs its own strength, which, I repeat, on the pure move, will explain to the greats the advantages of the Eurasian Union, will find in the history not only repressions dragged by their ears, famines and occupation, but will also inform Svidomo that the times of flourishing and victories.

Let a similar party be marginal at first, but over time it will turn into a serious force. After all, we do not think a year or two in advance, but we want to find friends and like-minded people on TEMPORARY Torn-off lands. Right?

If you do not pay off the epidemic called “acute Svidomo brain”, we’ll get ideological Russophobes with the Ukrainian lands, which the evil Muscovites again prevented us from breathing the Euro-Atlantic air of freedom. We already have one difficult mountainous region, we can get another one.

We need to work with the heads, thoughts and feelings of the people of Ukraine. In the vanguard of the liberation of Ukraine should go what unites us - the common church, culture, history.

Another important thing: you need to stop the "ukrosrach", starting with the gatherings in the kitchen - "here, you yourself separated, that's what you need, traitors" - and to the statements of politicians.

Ukroagitatory directly say that Zhirinovsky every time he speaks about Ukraine, he does a lot more for Ukrainian self-consciousness than a crowd of ardent svidomitov. And they are right.

Let us recall that the overwhelming number of Ukrainians voted for the preservation of the USSR, and the subsequent referendum on the Nazis - a scam and a successful provocation. PR came to power, saddling pro-Russian sentiment. The fact that Yanukovych and his accomplices fraudulently stole several years of normal life from their land is not the fault of the people of Ukraine, but their misfortune.

Vladimir Vladimirovich once said that Russians and Ukrainians are one people, and that we will meet somewhere. Gold words!

Just why do representatives of the same people, crossing the border and going to visit, work or reapply, feel like third-rate people (second-class are citizens of Kyrgyzstan and Kazakhstan, whose rulers signed some kind of agreements with Moscow that make life easier their citizens).

I remember that I, a Russian citizen of Ukraine, who lived in Russia because of my duty, were very indignant at the bias and greed on the part of the police, FMS officers, customs officers. In principle, I perceived my Ukrainians in my own Homeland as a ridiculous incident and separated in my mind callous greedy officials from my native fields, forests and rivers. Flies and cutlets in one word. And there are people (more recently Russians) who consider a greyhounds precinct, under the threat of deportation extorting last money, the personification of all of Russia.

The man to whom Hillary Clinton could not get through to everything, Mr. Lavrov, “pleased” everyone that there would be no visa regime between us and visiting the neighboring state would be “only” on foreign passports. ” Most of all will get poor people of the frontier region, who will have to pay a certain amount for a new document to travel to friends and relatives. How to get through to this, without a doubt an intelligent and talented person, explain that this is a bad idea.

Another ridiculous idea: the joint installation of barbed wire obstacles "in a checkerboard pattern." It is clear why the Ukrainian side is doing this: it outlines a territory where human rights are respected, democracy and other European values ​​from the kingdom of darkness, ignorance and tyranny reign. Or they think so.

Why do we need these fences? Are we not looking for anything behind the thorn, and this is the natural border of Eurasian integration? What we give the signal to Russians in Ukraine? Approximately the same as Stalin would have given, give it to the Nazis during a hypothetical armistice at the very beginning of the Second World War, when everything was shaky.

There is no need for Russia to "fight" with Ukraine and its people, do not sow anger and hatred, it is enough.

Imagine such a picture: in the winter, a car with Ukrainian pipes arrives at the Russian customs, there are contagious rust in metal products “by the method of Onishchenko” that can consume all the iron in Russia. Naturally, the car is wrapped up, and everyone understands where the legs actually grow from this non-existent rust, and the poor boy driver sings hot tea with raspberry jam, soothes, empathizes, but cannot do anything, translating righteous anger towards “native” power .

Russia needs to re-gain the trust of ordinary people, pretty confused lately, and it doesn’t matter whether they are talking or crushing.

We are in any case to be together, the matter is only in the timing and price of the issue. And as history shows, it is often more difficult and longer to develop the loyalty and favor of the inhabitants on the newly annexed lands than to build bridges, roads and factories there.
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  1. Nicholas C.
    Nicholas C. 12 November 2013 06: 32
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    Quote: Posted by FC Skiff
    "There is no need for Russia to 'fight' with Ukraine and its people, there is no need to sow anger and hatred"


    Quite a bit of propaganda got your brains out there. Understand this more carefully whether Russia is definitely fighting with Ukraine. Isn't it the other way around?
    Well, reading about the war of Russia with the people of Ukraine, you always think about the adequacy of the author.
    1. makst83
      makst83 12 November 2013 06: 42
      49
      Really! Russia must, Russia must, Russia needs .... who !? We do not owe anything to anyone and do not owe anything! "Prezik" you have chosen made the choice for you. Drive him to .... and put another, more adequate and responsible for words, then we'll talk!
      1. mirag2
        mirag2 12 November 2013 06: 45
        +7
        Yes, the Ukrainian policy, excuse me, may not be to someone's liking, but it is too "thoughtful" and, moreover, obviously this way.
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      2. aksakal
        aksakal 12 November 2013 07: 39
        27
        Quote: makst83
        Really! Russia must, Russia must, Russia needs .... who !? We do not owe anything to anyone and do not owe anything! "Prezik" you have chosen made the choice for you. Drive him to .... and put another, more adequate and responsible for words, then we'll talk!

        - SUBJ is just a cry from the heart! Translated into an understandable one: "guys, we, Ukrainians, unlike the Kyrgyz-Uzbek-Kazakhs, we are Russians, well, almost Russians! Yes, we chose a slightly wrong president, we have a slightly hostile elite towards Russia, but you are with us , Ukrainians, do not ask for this, do not erect all sorts of customs and passport barriers, we are really good! And do not pay attention to any associations with the EU, they do not mean anything! These are just pieces of paper, we are just interested in play them - the president signed some piece of paper, and then CHAMOMILE - will this president or prime minister sit down for this piece of paper or not? Well, this is such a national Ukrainian game, just a game, you do not pay attention! You’re there in Russia playing Russian roulette when they played, so our politicians are playing such Ukrainian roulette, so never mind! "
        1. varov14
          varov14 12 November 2013 12: 45
          +1
          Of course, paper, such as passports and visas, can not be thought of - another stupidity of our authorities, they simply confused the world, strained with geography. But what about financial and political obligations, these pieces of paper where to put, how to relate to them?
      3. kris
        kris 12 November 2013 09: 12
        0
        Quote: makst83
        Prezik "the choice you have chosen made the choice for you. Drive him to .... and put another, more adequate and responsible for words, then we'll talk!"

        Our prez also promised a lot.
        And he also does not consult with the people when making treacherous decisions. (WTO, Serdyukov, etc.)
        So it also needs to be driven away?
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 12 November 2013 09: 57
          +6
          Quote: kris
          So it also needs to be driven away?

          Will he expel to the EU, or do you urgently need?
      4. Nogicune
        Nogicune 12 November 2013 13: 44
        +5
        hi I wanted to say the same thing, though in a slightly softer form
        The Kremlin was supposed to grow and emerge a pro-Russian force in Ukraine itself, which would convince its citizens of unity on the move
        I just had to be killed, should I raise, raise, on mov, but on Patagonian it is not necessary? or in Uruguayan? we can still dance in the squat, to attract the attention of the masses request
        1. edge
          edge 12 November 2013 14: 36
          +2
          Quote: Nogicune
          The Kremlin was to grow and emerge a pro-Russian force

          this is similar to amerososami, create a school of dictators or something
          1. builder
            builder 12 November 2013 20: 49
            +2
            create a school of dictators or something

            You know that there is something ...
        2. andrejwz
          andrejwz 12 November 2013 23: 22
          -1
          Quote: Nogicune
          I just had to be killed, should I raise, raise, on mov, but on Patagonian it is not necessary? or in Uruguayan? we can still dance in the squat, to attract the attention of wide mas

          Uh-huh, "You yourself are to blame!" - the familiarly hackneyed phrase of the lascivious chicken.
      5. Renat
        Renat 12 November 2013 14: 37
        +2
        Yanukovych waste material. Almost a political corpse, which was once Mishka Saahov. It will be very interesting if they switch places with Julia. As the saying goes holy place ...
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 12 November 2013 06: 43
      32
      Put +, BUT the author did not notice that Russia meets in the affairs of other states, only in very marginal cases, such as warriors. For the rest, you in Ukraine decide your fate yourself, how you live, with whom and why. To stop ukrosrach, well, politicians are not sitting on the site, but ordinary citizens who take everything quite close to their hearts. They have their own opinions on this or that issue and it’s not here in Russia that we decide who to vote for in Ukraine. Why should Putin create some kind of political force, why you yourself cannot create a party. Again, wait for someone to come and help, but what ??????? ??
      1. Tersky
        Tersky 12 November 2013 08: 38
        +8
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        . Otherwise, you in Ukraine decide your fate yourself, how you live, with whom and why.

        The author, as in Newton’s 3 law, “No internal forces can tell the body to move. They can displace individual parts of the body, and its center of gravity remains in place. The forces of interaction between the bodies of a closed system cannot change the position of the center of mass of the system. ” To be more specific, the article is readable like this- “They must save us - the government, aliens, folk healers, contactees, enlightened, hermits, nanotechnology and the pharmaceutical industry. At worst - we are simply obliged to save everyone who is nearby. Even if they themselves need help and also wait for the one who will come and save. And finally, everything will work. I didn’t put a plus or a minus ... Sasha, hi !
      2. domokl
        domokl 12 November 2013 09: 03
        16
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        . Why should Putin create some sort of political force, why you yourself can’t

        Hi Sash..Russia always owes Ukraine ... Just because Ukrainians think so ... But I liked the way everything turned upside down for ordinary people ... The author definitely did not visit Ukrainian customs and did not meet border guards ...
        And on the topic. For my life I served with the Balts, Georgians, Ukrainians and a bunch of representatives of the peoples of the USSR. They are brothers for me now. But it’s not clear why the Balts should be less brothers than Ukrainians? Is there an independent state -Ukraine. There are human relations, but there are state ones. As a state, Ukraine is an enemy for me personally. Even bigger than the others. An enemy who does nasty things to my country, an enemy who shot at my son in the Caucasus, an enemy who ..
        And now I’m not afraid to tell anyone we are not brothers ... Neighbors are not very good either. And I don’t have to do anything for a bad neighbor ... I’m not obliged and I don’t want. He has his own life, I have my own. my cockroaches, I have mine.
    3. Civil
      Civil 12 November 2013 07: 11
      +8
      The main thing in the collapse of Ukraine is not to miss its opportunities.
      1. Luger
        Luger 12 November 2013 08: 47
        +7
        Yes Yes! I already wrote somehow that eastern Ukraine is enough for us, the people there are good, not covered by mold of nationalism, working. But Western Ukraine, even with Europe, remains; there, it will gradually be taken over by Romania and Hungary.

        In general, the situation is so ambiguous that it even becomes very unpleasant. And most importantly, the GDP reacts sluggishly, repeats like a mantra: "This is Ukraine's choice," maybe he is planning what? it's not for nothing that Janek drives to Moscow like a scalded one. Isn't this a tricky move? Maybe after Ukraine joins the EU we will join Ukraine and we are all in the EU! fellow and the dream of our opposition and liberalists will come true. what
        1. zmey_gadukin
          zmey_gadukin 12 November 2013 11: 09
          +4
          Quote: Luger
          Yes Yes! I already wrote somehow that eastern Ukraine is enough for us, the people there are good, not covered by mold of nationalism, working. But Western Ukraine, even with Europe, remains; there, it will gradually be taken over by Romania and Hungary.

          Cool decided, only the people of eastern Ukraine did not ask
          1. Hudo
            Hudo 12 November 2013 11: 33
            +2
            Quote: zmey_gadukin
            Yes Yes! I already wrote somehow that eastern Ukraine is enough for us, the people there are good, not covered by mold of nationalism, working. But Western Ukraine, even with Europe, remains; there, it will gradually be taken over by Romania and Hungary.

            Cool decided, only the people of eastern Ukraine did not ask


            So what's the question? Let's ask! All, except for the fascist Western Bibizians "FOR".
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            2. zmey_gadukin
              zmey_gadukin 12 November 2013 18: 22
              0
              Quote: Hudo
              Zapadensky bibizyan

              you better be silent, do not betray your stupidity with despicable insults
            3. -gnuhc-
              -gnuhc- 14 November 2013 15: 09
              0
              Does Ukraine have the right to make its own choice? All, except for the fascist Russian-Vidomite Bibizians- "FOR"
          2. Luger
            Luger 12 November 2013 11: 37
            +5
            Yes, sorry, I expressed myself a little incorrectly, if the people of eastern Ukraine are against it, of course, no one will impose himself. But judging by the existing cultural, business and simply family ties, not many in eastern Ukraine will be against it.
            By the way, why didn’t you take care of western Ukraine? Looks like a rumbled affiliation with Romania and Hungary. hi
            1. zmey_gadukin
              zmey_gadukin 12 November 2013 18: 21
              -3
              I live in eastern Ukraine. Born and raised in the USSR. I am against the division of my country into east and west by anyone.
              Unite with Russia? What for? We have enough of our Serdyukovs. Yes, and we don’t need Ramzan. Trolleybuses in Ukraine do not explode and theaters do not capture.
              Restore Kievan Rus? No problem! I am for! BUT without centralization of power in Moscow and, most importantly, without the SC ...
              1. builder
                builder 12 November 2013 20: 58
                +6
                Yes, and we don’t need Ramzan. Trolleybuses in Ukraine do not explode and theaters do not capture.

                Worry about your "Kadyrovs" in Crimea.
                1. zmey_gadukin
                  zmey_gadukin 13 November 2013 15: 03
                  0
                  recall when in Ukraine the Tatars blew up something, captured, etc. ???
                  do not remind, because there is no analogy
              2. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 13 November 2013 04: 40
                +1
                Quote: zmey_gadukin
                BUT without centralization of power in Moscow and, most importantly, without the SC ...

                There will be no power, there will be anarchy! For anarchine will see the complete collapse of the state.
                1. zmey_gadukin
                  zmey_gadukin 13 November 2013 15: 04
                  0
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  There will be no power, there will be anarchy! For anarchine will see the complete collapse of the state.

                  Let's capital to Kiev?
              3. Migari
                Migari 13 November 2013 16: 58
                0
                Yes, you yourself are divided in half, Russia has nothing to do with it, and the choice to go to Europe is not yours, and not of the people, but of your not centralized power, a happy journey.
          3. varov14
            varov14 12 November 2013 13: 02
            +1
            "only the people of eastern Ukraine did not ask" ---- Who and where do you ask the people, they let him down from above. How do we go to elections and vote after listening to different media - "if only there was no war"
          4. Corsair
            Corsair 12 November 2013 13: 03
            +3
            Quote: zmey_gadukin
            Cool decided, only the people of eastern Ukraine did not ask

            Maybe the East, under the pressure of circumstances, will have to give an answer to the question: WITH WHOM is it?
            1. zmey_gadukin
              zmey_gadukin 12 November 2013 18: 23
              -3
              Quote: Corsair
              Under the pressure of circumstances, the East will have to give an answer to the question: WITH WHOM is he?

              with Ukraine.
            2. Anthony
              Anthony 13 November 2013 02: 22
              -4
              Quote: Corsair
              East



              And I am from the East, there is such a city of Kharkiv, when it was the third most important one during the alliance ... So I and everyone with whom I communicate, for anything, if only not for an alliance with Russia.
              Put downsides, write insults, call them a "nationalist" - I'm used to the fact that there is no other (normal) reaction here.
              I’ll say this, with a policy of tightening the nuts, your leadership only aggravates the Ukrainians against themselves, including the East of the country, where historically it has turned out that this region has always been for an alliance with Russia.
              Now, they look askance at a man riding in a subway jacket dressed in a Russian tricolor jacket, and they say to cars with Belgorod license plates - they pinned, again, again, got it, and the like ....
              I don’t invent all this, it’s the truth of life, I work in a large team, and by the specifics of my work I often visit the city and often hear what I wrote above ...
              Why are you all forgetting that 23 years have already passed since the breakdown of relations, and that a new generation of Ukrainians has already grown up who DO NOT KNOW what the union is ... Russia is already abroad for them.
              So put the cons, I know that an adequate reaction to my words will not be anyway ...
              1. Corsair
                Corsair 13 November 2013 02: 32
                +2
                Quote: Anthony
                And I am from the East, there is such a city of Kharkiv, when it was the third most important one during the alliance ... So I and everyone with whom I communicate, for anything, if only not for an alliance with Russia.

                Do not consider for tactlessness the desire to give you a TIP - expand your social circle.
          5. escobar
            escobar 12 November 2013 13: 47
            +1
            Cool decided, only the people of eastern Ukraine did not ask [/ quote]
            Well, like a big giraffe, he knows better EPT.
          6. Puler
            Puler 12 November 2013 14: 55
            +3
            they won’t ask your people ... but they’ll do it like that, they will decide in pintagon ...
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      3. krasin
        krasin 12 November 2013 09: 37
        +9
        The war is with the leadership of the fraternal people of Ukraine, and not with the people. And as a brother, he admonishes and guides the true path: do not go to the EU, what will be.
      4. AVV
        AVV 12 November 2013 11: 05
        +4
        The entire sale elite can deceive the people, but it won’t succeed for a long time, the first fruits of Eurointegration will not let you wait long! Enterprises will go bankrupt in mass, production will collapse, people will lose their jobs, energy prices will skyrocket, at the request of the West, gas and gas subsidies will be abolished. What advantages will Ukraine receive, it will be let into Europe’s dressing room, it will be flooded with Western goods, they will give loans, but nothing more! Why does Europe need another Greece, it needs a market for its goods, it needs another clerk in the economic struggle with Russia, but not Moreover, do not flatter yourself, Europe does not need people, they have their own migrants, more than enough !!!
    4. APES
      APES 12 November 2013 09: 09
      +7
      Quote: Nikolai S.
      Is Russia really fighting with Ukraine? Isn't it the other way around?


      I have long perceived the entire policy of Ukraine as a solid joke, for example:

      After the victory of Ukraine in the first gas war, gas for Ukraine began to cost twice as much.

      And now about the sad: he was born and raised in the Soviet Union, he himself from St. Petersburg, grandfather and grandmother from Odessa, every summer there, I still do not understand and never understand that Ukraine is a different country and, like, a different people.
      1. Walking
        Walking 12 November 2013 10: 16
        +3
        Stop fighting with Ukraine and its people? But it is Ukrainians who fought with Russia in Chechnya and Georgia.
      2. Captain Vrungel
        Captain Vrungel 12 November 2013 10: 27
        17
        Andrew! And the common people of Ukraine do not perceive (with a few exceptions. The family has its black sheep) citizens of Russia for another people. I am sure you are convinced of this in Odessa. It is necessary to separate the flies of power from the national cutlets. Politicians (crooks who have crawled into power, what we have, what you have) and the people are two big differences. The undercover games of Putin and Yanukovych, in two weeks, met three times incognito in Putin's bunkers in secret from the people, and they cheated something. For this already citizen Yanukovych should be impeached and sit next to Yulia. Stupid and short-sighted Yanukovych, with his urk-forming "party" so "mined" the space around him with shit, that he himself is in shock. Wherever he takes a step, he will enter. What he got there from Putin for his beloved is not important. In Europe, they realized that Yanukovych's gangster and fraudulent government and the people. two different ends of the same stick and will never be together.
        Yes, people, especially young people. want in the EU. They want it because they are tired of the lawlessness, corruption, insecurity, poverty and uncertainty, of deluding themselves with useless "biomass" against the background of the "family" billionaires who are fattening and intensively robbing the people. And you are no better. The power of Yanukovych and the regionals is not eternal. They so morally and politically killed the people, and already close to the economic collapse. Everything is plundered, ruined. In addition to billions of dollars in debt, there are no assets in the treasury. State employees without wages, pensioners without pensions. Yes, and the United States was in advance. 20% of Ukraine's external debt was bought out. And what is hidden behind this debt? What will the United States own in Ukraine? And the most important thing. There is no state of Ukraine. So far, Urkaina has been built in 20 years, i.e. territory controlled by the organized criminal group. Today "Donetsk". The patience of the people, even the Ukrainian, is not unlimited.
        1. xan
          xan 12 November 2013 12: 42
          -3
          Quote: Captain Vrungel
          Yes, people, especially young people. want in the EU. They want it because they are fed up with lawlessness, corruption, insecurity, poverty and uncertainty, self-deception with useless "biomass" against the background of the "family" billionaires who are fattening and intensively robbing the people. And you are no better.

          It’s better here, because the people understand that no one except us will solve this problem.
          And it is clear that they took up the solution to the problems of corruption.
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          2. Corsair
            Corsair 13 November 2013 09: 06
            0
            Quote: xan
            It’s better here, because the people understand that no one except us will solve this problem.
            And it is clear that they took up the solution to the problems of corruption.

            I apologize for the erroneous "minus" (I thought your comment refers to Ukraine). In the upcoming topic, "I will ..." wink
        2. varov14
          varov14 12 November 2013 13: 22
          +4
          Young people you see even darker, even the TV does not watch. And there sometimes Greece, then Italy, then Spain are shown, and by no means resorts.
        3. Mikhail3
          Mikhail3 12 November 2013 15: 02
          +2
          Well, after all, everything is clear. Tired of lawlessness for young people - they want in the EEC. Here are the goodies. In the EEC step shmormig! If the author of the article wants a pro-Russian power to appear in Ukraine, if he feels himself Russian, then let this power grow FROM YOURSELF. No one gives anything to the Russians for nothing, not even the Kremlin. Especially the Kremlin smile We all do it ourselves, and what we didn’t do, that’s not there. Whoever is not ready for this, not capable, who wants everything for himself and does not want to move, bring everything down to the European Union. They will show you everything there laughing
    5. Polovec
      Polovec 12 November 2013 11: 23
      +8
      I did not even evaluate the article! She (article) is very cunning * share! Ukraine is certainly a Slavic and fraternal state, but it behaves like an alcoholic son in a family! His mother always has to! And if he doesn’t, then he will not abhor the cronies through the window to climb in and take out the last! Have you tried to work? Maybe enough extreme look? The richest republic was! Ask yourself Lukashenko for the kingdom, otherwise you will erase yourself from the world map at such a pace!
      1. Egoza
        Egoza 12 November 2013 11: 28
        +4
        Quote: Polovec
        Ask yourself Lukashenko for the kingdom,

        By the way, in the villages they dream about it !!!!
      2. atalef
        atalef 12 November 2013 11: 35
        -10 qualifying.
        One question on your comment, you say that Russia is the mother for Ukraine, and Ukraine is the son, why are you sure that Ros is mother? Can Ukraine be the mother? Please understand your statement that Russia is the mother, it’s getting the initial pass, mother after all, it’s always right and has the right to tell children why you think that Ukraine should be, do you agree? Relationships must, follow the principle of sisters (UKRAINE, Russia, Belarus) and triplets-without, tarnishy-tohds are possible to my brotherly relationship
        1. Proud.
          Proud. 12 November 2013 13: 19
          +4
          Quote: atalef
          Russia is a mother to Ukraine, and Ukraine is a son, and why are you sure that you grew up, mother? Can Ukraine be a mother ?,

          Yes, they are sisters, sisters. Russia is mother, Russia is mother. Nenko Ukraine is mother Ukraine. They are quarreled among themselves, intentionally. Children are unreasonable.
        2. cayman
          cayman 12 November 2013 15: 45
          +8
          Quote: atalef
          One question on your comment, you say, that Russia is the mother for Ukraine, and Ukraine is the son of ....


          But a Jew should not wedge himself into an intra-Russian dispute in essence! I’m on the drum, what kind of relations are there between Sephardic Jews and Ashkenazi Jews. Why do you intervene, and even give recommendations? We'll figure it out ourselves, without Jewish clues. Such a shameless style does not add respect to your flag.
          1. Borz
            Borz 12 November 2013 18: 53
            +2
            Such is the essence of this people - in each quarrel between neighbors to seek their profit.
          2. Altona
            Altona 12 November 2013 19: 31
            +2
            I will note to you that Jews are the same part of the Ukrainian people, Jews have always lived in Ukraine and worked the same way ... Khaim was no different from Mykola, he was also a peasant or robbed in the city as a shoemaker, Shvets, or labukh in the end, but he worked .. So, please, do not offend the Jewish population of Ukraine ... It always lived there, even with the notorious "Pale of Settlement" drawn by the tsarist administration ...
            1. Misantrop
              Misantrop 12 November 2013 20: 35
              +2
              Quote: Altona
              I note to you that Jews are the same part of the Ukrainian people, Jews have always lived in Ukraine and also worked ...
              Well, that's how they live. And work to the best of reason and ability. But there are others who, grabbing the bags, rushed to the "best share". Approximately, like Ukrainians to Canada after 1905. And now, "from the height of their steep position," they teach those who remain how they should act correctly ... lol
        3. xan
          xan 12 November 2013 16: 29
          +2
          Quote: atalef
          Relationships must be based on the principles of the sisters (UKRAINE, Russia, Belarus) with triplets -without trash-togs are possible to my brotherly relationship

          How to understand fraternal relations between states?
          Ukraine will share its debts, and Russia its dough?
          End with this "equal" brotherhood.
          What is valuable in Ukraine, besides the lands inherited from Russia and the Russians, from which Ukrainians are intensely made?
        4. tomket
          tomket 12 November 2013 17: 39
          +2
          Actually, when relations in the state begin to be built on the principle of fraternal and sisterly relations among the so-called triplets, the state and kirdyk are here, since Russia is a single organism. You cannot build brotherly relations, for example, with your hand or foot.
          1. atalef
            atalef 12 November 2013 20: 31
            +1
            Quote: tomket
            Actually, when relations in the state begin to be built on the principle of fraternal and sisterly relations among the so-called triplets, then the state and kirdyk, since Russia is a single organism

            Well, to health. and then run into Ukraine — like traitors, it’s an alien organ (in your opinion) of the Russian body, is neither a sister, nor an arm, nor a foot — so let it go wherever it wants.
            1. tomket
              tomket 12 November 2013 20: 42
              +2
              Let's just say this is about how a person’s kidney is taken. It’s unpleasant, but you can live, although that person is a country that becomes a cripple after such operations here. an organ, as you know, will not become an independent organism either. Europe is the same as the body, the third kidney is not particularly needed. So lies in storage, maybe they use something useful. Well, if you compare Ukraine with Setra, then some kind of walking girl turns out.
            2. Setrac
              Setrac 12 November 2013 22: 29
              0
              Quote: atalef
              neither is a sister, nor arm, nor foot - so let him go wherever he wants.

              And she already goes where she wants, and for some reason she is surprised that they want to close the door behind her.
            3. Misantrop
              Misantrop 12 November 2013 22: 39
              +2
              Quote: atalef
              neither is a sister, nor arm, nor foot - so let him go wherever he wants.
              The government and the oligarchs, and indeed let them go wherever they want, you can even with part of the stolen. So they don’t want to, they want to sell the whole country for the sake of their gesheft ...
              1. xan
                xan 13 November 2013 14: 02
                0
                Quote: Misantrop
                So they don’t want to, they want to sell the whole country for the sake of their gesheft ...

                you can not sell the country if the people are against. What is needed is a situation according to Lenin, when the tops cannot do it in a new way, but the lower classes do not want it in the old way.
                Ukrainian oligarchs are leading the country directly to this situation, to the time of "Ch", more precisely, "eMZho". Then it will become clear who the people are with, and whether they are people at all.
        5. 3.7.964
          3.7.964 12 November 2013 21: 03
          +1
          Quote: atalef
          Relationships must be based on the principles of the sisters (UKRAINE, Russia, Belarus) with triplets -without trash-togs are possible to my brotherly relationship

          Oh, you want to say that Israel knows better? There, your only friend (USA) wipes his feet against Israel with sound, and here you give advice on how to live the Great Slavic peoples. Soon Muslims will make every Jew an enema with ski.pi.da.rom, just one bucket. Russian-speaking patriots have two buckets with gramophone needles, so pack your bags and don’t get into other people's showdowns. laughing
          1. atalef
            atalef 12 November 2013 21: 16
            +1
            Quote: 3.7.964
            Oh, you want to say that Israel knows better?

            And from the side it’s more visible
            Quote: 3.7.964
            and here you give advice on how to live the Great Slavic peoples.

            You probably have a bad spelling (myself, in general, is not very literate), but the great and Slavic is written with a small letter

            Quote: 3.7.964
            Soon Muslims will make every Jew an enema with ski.pi.da.rom, just one bucket.

            You probably beguiled Ukraine and Gazprom, and instead did, did laughing

            Quote: 3.7.964
            Russian-speaking patriots two buckets with gramophone needles

            as I understand it, says a Russian-speaking Ukrainian, a patriot .... what country?
            Quote: 3.7.964
            so pack your bags

            Damn, just returned from Eilat and pack your bags again?

            Quote: 3.7.964
            and do not go into other people's showdowns.

            God be with you, what sort of disassembly between brothers is going on. So little misunderstandings on debts. Yes, except in the family bother.
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 12 November 2013 21: 18
              +3
              Quote: atalef
              And from the side it’s more visible

              Yes? Can you describe my view of the situation in Israel from the outside?
              1. atalef
                atalef 13 November 2013 20: 28
                +1
                Quote: Spade
                and? Can you describe my view of the situation in Israel from the outside?

                Yes please . just pretend to some objectivity, then you need to come to Israel at least once a year -two and learn Hebrew (I would like to come to Ukraine and Russia once a year-two and know the language), then you can say the same ( I hope) from the side know better hi
                1. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 13 November 2013 20: 39
                  0
                  Quote: atalef
                  you should at least come to Israel

                  It's too close. And it does not fit the criterion "from the outside".
                  1. atalef
                    atalef 13 November 2013 20: 44
                    +1
                    Quote: Spade
                    It's too close. And it does not fit the criterion "from the outside".

                    Vayo, what can you answer? But what about the vision of the situation?
                    1. Lopatov
                      Lopatov 13 November 2013 20: 48
                      0
                      Quote: atalef
                      Vayo, what can you answer? But what about the vision of the situation?

                      And I do not pretend to be "more visible from the outside." You think that you know better than Russians or Ukrainians.
    6. nickname 1 and 2
      nickname 1 and 2 12 November 2013 12: 28
      +3
      Another important thing: you need to stop the "ukrosrach", starting with the gatherings in the kitchen - "here, you yourself separated, that's what you need, traitors" - and to the statements of politicians.


      Staaaaaray song! This is from the repertoire of dermocratizers. If you ........ it’s better to wave it! Maybe they’ll stop!

      NOT! First respect and then mutual respect!

      There is no need for Russia to "fight" with Ukraine and its people, do not sow anger and hatred, it is enough.


      No one is fighting!

      Russia needs conquer again, the trust of ordinary people, pretty much lost in recent times, and it doesn’t matter whether they talk or wave.


      So all the same = conquer???????????

      Well, "why are you present?"
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    8. Corsair
      Corsair 12 November 2013 12: 59
      +2
      Quote: Nikolai S.
      Quite a bit of propaganda got your brains out there. Understand this more carefully whether Russia is definitely fighting with Ukraine. Isn't it the other way around?

      The Ukurai ruling "elite" really does not like it when Russia "intervenes" (?!) in the war between Ukraine and its own people ...
      To explain the failures and defeats, one needs the "dac vidbuvaylo" ("scapegoat").

      And who is closest and dearest? ...
    9. escobar
      escobar 12 November 2013 13: 45
      -7
      Quote: Nikolai S.
      Well, reading about the war of Russia with the people of Ukraine, you always think about the adequacy of the author.

      And to plunder the people of Ukraine at such gas prices, to strangle the economy, to prohibit the import of goods and products under ridiculous pretexts is not a war? GAS Fascists CHEAPER THAN BROTHERS !! This Glazyev of yours is simply ridiculous with his threats. I can say for sure the opinion of the people in relation to the regime in Moscow is changing, including in the east and south of Ukraine. Not far you have gone from pen-dos-tan by your methods and self-grandeur.
      1. Nicholas C.
        Nicholas C. 12 November 2013 14: 38
        +8
        Quote: escobar
        robbing the people of Ukraine at such gas prices, stifling the economy, banning the import of goods and products under ridiculous pretexts, is this not a war? Fascists GAS CHEAPER THAN BROTHERS !!

        The fascists now in Banderstat beat 90-year-olds, prohibit the Russian language, forbid people to even be called Russian names. In Ukraine, both party leaders and ordinary people are sent to prison for expressing sympathy for Russia. And what do you say in the textbooks that the Svidomo mass media and other such publications about Russia distribute?

        And for this you have coupons for enhanced nutrition? Russia does not want to buy your goods. But is it obliged? The buyer is always right. Ukraine boasts that it buys less Russian gas, although it is just obliged to buy back the contract volume.

        Reduce your exorbitant Wishlist to Russia and look at yourself.
      2. escobar
        escobar 12 November 2013 18: 44
        -4
        We are for equality and in trade as well. But no, to a fingernail, to a fingernail !!!
        Our goods are bought with pleasure both in Europe and in Russia, only Putin is against it!
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 13 November 2013 04: 47
          0
          Quote: escobar
          We are for equality and in trade as well.

          It's funny, especially when it comes to Ukraine.
          Quote: escobar
          Our products are bought with pleasure in Europe

          What kind? And so, your government is your enemy, not Putin.
        2. Corsair
          Corsair 13 November 2013 09: 24
          +1
          Quote: escobar
          Our goods are bought with pleasure both in Europe and in Russia, only Putin is against it!

          Watch the final release of "Events" of the TV channel "Inter" from 10.11.2013.

          The plot of an interview with Prime Minister Azarov.

          IT IS YOU he gives explanations HOW Europe opens its market and "wants" to buy products of the Ukrainian industry ...
        3. Alex toll
          Alex toll 13 November 2013 11: 56
          +1
          We are Slavs - these ghouls from Europe do not consider people at all, and we Russian are your blood brothers — wake up a slave or burgers are more valuable to you than your people, or maybe you also advocate same-sex marriage! You read the story - our grandfathers great-grandfathers great-grandfather, etc. fought back from them - they have been trying to enslave and destroy us for 800 years! Now it’s easy to economically deduce that we would fight each other and live on rations of GMOs and the nation will degenerate. Your president needs a call - he will tell you everything right away, but we have Gorbachev (and Yeltsin - dead) to deprive of all merit and let the European mongrel sit alone, and not in his castle in London, until the end of his life.

          Get up the Slavs from their knees!
      3. Borz
        Borz 12 November 2013 18: 45
        +6
        I’m putting you a minus, land. Do not speak for everyone, don’t. Not all the inhabitants of our country (fortunately) have become victims of the Banderlozh propaganda.
        1. escobar
          escobar 12 November 2013 20: 43
          -3
          and that I didn’t write like that .. ah .. Just as it is and I’m not going to lick my ass anyway ... land ep.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 13 November 2013 04: 48
            0
            Quote: escobar
            .All as is and ass licking NNI who I am not going to

            Yeah, only Brussels officials think otherwise. wassat
    10. starshina78
      starshina78 12 November 2013 14: 14
      +2
      I put a minus comment on Nikolai S., and I do not agree with the author of the article in everything. ... Why? It's simple. There is no war. No one is at war with anyone, but the nerves flutter, both the people and themselves (I mean the power). Yanukovych, at the suggestion of the Westerners, was drawn to the West, the EU authorities promised him a lot, and he decided to break with Russia, but ... And he had a story of a greedy man who, with one hand, both the backside and the front of a woman, wants to grab does not work . So he rushes about. He thinks Russia will be frightened, will lower gas prices so that Ukraine does not go to the EU, and Russia also resists: "No! And that's it! Either to the Customs Union, or to the EU, there is no other way!" Of course, Russia, and all Russians are interested in Ukraine staying with us, but then we must behave differently. Not to be so categorical, but to offer alternatives. For example, to conclude direct agreements with Crimea (in Ukraine, after all, there is a Federation, which means that the subjects themselves can conclude agreements with other subjects), with the eastern regions separately, that is, to interest them in joint projects, benefits, and you look at the central government of Ukraine, too, and there will be no rapprochement with the EU.
    11. dark_65
      dark_65 13 November 2013 05: 04
      +1
      How hot, so we brothers, why are they so silent for so many years?
  2. Canep
    Canep 12 November 2013 06: 42
    13
    Do you really think that the Ukrainian authorities respect some scribbles? In vain in Moscow, Brussels, Washington and Beijing they keep agreements with Ukraine in safes - throw them out quickly, there is no sense in them. When it is considered in Kiev that the association is not profitable for them, it will be canceled, and the signatory from the side can be jailed “for abuse of authority” (it would be ridiculous and not at all surprising if Tymoshenko was jailed by Yanukovych).

    In this, the author is 100% right. The history of the betrayal of Ukraine does not begin with the hetman Mazepa and does not end there.
  3. makarov
    makarov 12 November 2013 06: 49
    +7
    Easing a relationship is a fact. It is also a fact that neither I (a small citizen of Ukraine), nor anyone from my entourage, participate in this. It is also a fact that at one time Putin dragged Yanukovych (twice convicted urku) to the podium of the mausoleum to receive the parade, and he ate candy at that moment, and offered GDP. The fact and the fact that Janek with the PR is an organized criminal group that changed its name paying tribute to political fashion, and reaching the heights of power stupidly and with impunity rob the country and citizens - there are plenty of examples. The fact is that in the Dnipropetrovsk region during the so-called. The death rate of the "pilot medical reform project" has reached such proportions that, according to statistics, the number of deaths exceeded the number in more than 33 years of hunger strike. Naturally, for some reason, it is beneficial for someone to keep silent about everything I have listed. It's easier to shout - "Ukraine is shit!", Because it’s easier to hawk such messages. After all, how cleverly it sounds "bad in politics", social affairs, international relations, etc. and all the evil from Ukraine !!! "
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 12 November 2013 06: 59
      12
      Quote: makarov
      The fact is that at one time Putin dragged Yanukovych (twice convicted urku) to the parade of the mausoleum, who ate at that time sweets, and offered GDP.

      This is when it was that Putin stood at the mausoleum? The mausoleum is not visible during the parade.
      Do you see a mausoleum here?
      Quote: makarov
      Naturally, for some reason, it is beneficial for someone to keep silent about everything I have listed. It's easier to shout - "Ukraine is shit!", Oh

      And on this occasion, I will tell you this, but the Natsik procession in Kiev did not see something, so that people would go out on the street and say, enough! Three people hung a red flag and that’s all. Why is Russia to blame again, or Russians, we don’t run in fascist form. It’s just sad to see what you residents of Ukraine are doing with the country.
      1. makarov
        makarov 12 November 2013 07: 41
        +2
        SW Alexander. I saw this video with my own eyes, from memory about 2005-2006. Yanek was then prime minister, and showed affection for the Russian Federation. And it was not a montage. The show was on both Ukrainian channels and Russian.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 12 November 2013 08: 20
          0
          Quote: makarov
          SW Alexander. I saw this video with my own eyes, from memory, approximately 2005-2006

          You’re mistaken, you can find in the internet at least one photo where Yanukovych is at the mausoleum. There wasn’t such a thing, especially with Putin.
          1. makarov
            makarov 12 November 2013 09: 03
            0
            I’ll even add, when Putin turned to him, he offered him sweets, he looked at him with indignation, and silently turned his head. I think the site has many comments who have seen this material.
            What you do not like does not mean that it was not.
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 12 November 2013 09: 13
              -1
              Quote: makarov
              What you do not like does not mean that it was not.

              Yes, whether I like it or not. I tell you that there wasn’t such a thing. Watch the video, see the photo and show it. I rummaged in search and nothing -0. Yes, and I don’t remember Putin standing at the mausoleum
              1. makarov
                makarov 12 November 2013 09: 16
                +5
                I apologize for the inaccuracy (senile memory) this happened at the Victory Prad in Kiev. Putin refused the candy, but Medvedev shared the meal. http://obozrevatel.com/news/2005/11/11/61023.htm
                and video
                http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tv8MKUGgK64
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 12 November 2013 10: 09
                  +1
                  Quote: makarov
                  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tv8MKUGgK64

                  This is not a mausoleum or even a red square. Here, according to your links, where you saw the mausoleums there, I can’t understand.
                  October 28, 2004, Kiev, Independence Square, parade. In the frame (from right to left) - the head of the Russian administration Dmitry Medvedev, Yanukovych, Putin and Kuchma.
                  Yanukovych eats candy, offers it in turn - first to Medvedev, then to Putin. Medvedev did not refuse, Putin, it seems, does not like sweets ...
                  http://obozrevatel.com/news/2005/11/11/61023.htm
                2. Mercenary
                  Mercenary 12 November 2013 10: 31
                  +8
                  Medvedev never used his authority in Russia. he was put up because of Putin. a freeloader he’ll get hold of a candy or an iPhone.
                  1. Egoza
                    Egoza 12 November 2013 10: 44
                    +6
                    Quote: Mercenary
                    a freeloader he’ll get hold of a candy or an iPhone.

                    Here, Petro Poroshenko (the one with two hands for the EU, and who was pouring barrels of dirt on the Russian Federation) for some reason bought a confectionery factory in Lipetsk in Russia. am In 2014, it will start producing products. Here I sincerely wish LADY to have a fill of sweets from this factory. (It is not for nothing that Onishchenko squeezed Petya, but I think he will not hold out in the Russian Federation either - he will start "cheating".) This is where he will grab him! There will be no time for iPhones! laughing People! Be carefull! Do not buy Petina sweets (you will be healthier) hi
                3. Corsair
                  Corsair 12 November 2013 13: 07
                  +2
                  Quote: makarov
                  I apologize for the inaccuracy (senile memory) it happened at the Victory Prad in Kiev. Putin refused the candy, but Medvedev shared the meal.

                  So can you reconsider your other stereotypes regarding Russia and Russians?
                  There are a lot of "inaccuracies" in your comments (to put it mildly) ...
          2. 222222
            222222 12 November 2013 13: 03
            0
            Alexander Romanov (1) RU Today, 08:20 ↑ You are mistaken .... Kiev 2004
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tv8MKUGgK64
            http://gazeta.ua/ru/articles/politics/_kak-yanukovich-ugoschal-quot-preemnika-pr
            ezidenta-quot-konfetami-video / 196460
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        3. smersh70
          smersh70 12 November 2013 11: 59
          +2
          Quote: makarov
          I saw this video with my own eyes, from memory about 2005-2006.

          there was this .... I also saw .. it really offered chewing gum)))) but the parade was in Ukraine ... and not in Russia .. and he suggested to Medvedev .... he shook his head and refused .....
      2. makarov
        makarov 12 November 2013 07: 46
        +9
        What do you think (?), The Natsiks wound up on their own? And I won’t go to Kiev for 600 miles to say anything to the Natsiks.
        P.S. Please pay attention. I haven’t made a single comment in any material discussing the domestic policy of the Russian Federation, because my internal convictions do not allow me to do this, I’m not a citizen of the Russian Federation, then why stick my nose into domestic politics. Reduce to show - so it is not for me.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 12 November 2013 08: 22
          +1
          Quote: makarov
          What do you think (?), The Natsiks wound up on their own?

          No, not ourselves, but where is the rest of the people? Where are those who are sick of the fascist form?
          Quote: makarov
          P.S. Please pay attention. I haven’t made a single comment in any material discussing the domestic policy of the Russian Federation, because my internal convictions do not allow me to do this, I’m not a citizen of the Russian Federation, then why stick my nose into domestic politics.

          You won’t believe it, I didn’t leave a single comment on Ukrainian sites. I’m a citizen of Russia, and here Russian sayit hi
          1. makarov
            makarov 12 November 2013 08: 59
            +5
            Thank God that you are not in the government of the Russian Federation.
            Sorry for the straightforwardness, but Natsik about these speeches and started.
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 12 November 2013 09: 15
              +1
              Quote: makarov
              Thank God that you are not in the government of the Russian Federation.

              Hmm, I see a crooked face laughing
              Quote: makarov
              Sorry for the straightforwardness, but Natsik about these speeches and started.

              And what did I say that?
              1. Corsair
                Corsair 12 November 2013 15: 37
                +2
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                And what did I say that?

                Like in "Prisoner of the Caucasus": " In my house, I ask you not to express yourself"(Comrade Jebrail ©)
        2. Same lech
          Same lech 12 November 2013 09: 16
          +1
          But in vain, I wonder what you say, for example, about Serdyukov or Zhirinovsky OR ABOUT OUR NAZIKS AND SKINHEDS.
        3. Corsair
          Corsair 13 November 2013 01: 01
          +1
          Quote: makarov
          And I won’t go to Kiev for 600 versts to say anything to the Natsiks.


          Quote: makarov
          I haven’t made a single comment in any material discussing the domestic policy of the Russian Federation, because my internal convictions do not allow me to do this, I’m not a citizen of the Russian Federation, then why stick my nose into domestic politics.

          If you don’t want to intervene anywhere, don’t visit VO, the site can adversely affect your worldview ...
    2. German
      German 12 November 2013 07: 51
      0
      I don’t understand what de ... l minus? After all, the "aksakal" definitely noticed everything and "chewed" ...
    3. domokl
      domokl 12 November 2013 09: 10
      +9
      Quote: makarov
      After all, how cleverly it sounds "bad in politics", social affairs, international relations, etc. and all the evil from Ukraine !!! "

      laughing An old song about the main thing ... Putin is to blame for the fact that Ukraine is so ... Isn’t it funny for you yourself? A little man from Ukraine ... lol But didn’t you choose the same Yanukovych? Didn’t you choose the deputies? Didn’t you shout at your maidan that Russia is an enemy? Didn’t you pass your alien codes to the Georgians, which led to the death of our pilots? Weren't your officers start-up of anti-aircraft defense equipment? Have you removed the air defense personnel from Kiev before the war?
      Sorry, but the time has come when I want to remember the old American proverb — The problems of the Sheriff Indians don’t ... worry ... Already ....
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 12 November 2013 09: 17
        +4
        Quote: domokl
        But didn’t you choose the same Yanukovych? Didn’t you choose the deputies? Didn’t you shout at your maidan that Russia is an enemy? Did you pass your alien codes to the Georgians, which led to the death of our pilots? Weren't your officers sitting at the buttons launching air defense systems?

        Hi Sanya! I laid out the same thing here, but with respect to Yeltsin, they were so keen on figs laughing At least one would say, yes, I yelled for Yeltsin at 91 ....... but no, there were a lot of people, but everyone was against wassat
        1. Galinanp
          Galinanp 12 November 2013 10: 10
          +3
          Alexander Romanov (1) Today, 09: 17 ↑ New
          Quote: domokl
          But didn’t you choose the same Yanukovych? Didn’t you choose the deputies? Didn’t you shout at your maidan that Russia is an enemy? Did you pass your alien codes to the Georgians, which led to the death of our pilots? Weren't your officers sitting at the buttons launching air defense systems?
          Hi Sanya! I laid out the same thing here, but with respect to Yeltsin, they were so keen on figs At least one would say yes, I yelled for Yeltsin in 91 ....... but no, there were many people, but everyone was against

          I remember this nationwide madness in the early 90s. On a zombie box, every presenter has a mandatory question in the programs: "Where were you during the days of the GKChP putsch?" And the same answer with a feeling of slight indignation, from everyone from a sleek high-ranking official to a schoolgirl snot: "How where, on the barricades!" I remember my then dumbfounded state of this general insane glee, including most of my friends. Though about the deceased, or only good ones or nothing, but on EBN's forehead it was written who he was and what to expect from him.
      2. makarov
        makarov 12 November 2013 09: 24
        +5
        You know (?), I never succumb to mass psychosis, because I do not recognize the word "EVERYTHING", do you know to be yourself. And when "EVERYONE" takes spoons and goes to clear up the shit, then I don't go for a simple reason - I DO NOT EAT THIS !!!
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 12 November 2013 09: 52
          +1
          Quote: makarov
          ... And when "EVERYONE" takes spoons and goes to clear up the shit, then I don't go for a simple reason - I DO NOT EAT THIS !!!

          And here you are at the site, ask the Ukrainians who was on the maidan, I’ll be surprised if you even find one. They don’t admit it and it always has been.
          1. Misantrop
            Misantrop 12 November 2013 11: 43
            +2
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            And here you are at the site, ask the Ukrainians who was on the maidan, I would be surprised if you even find one.
            Interestingly, then there was an order for the Ministry of Education of Ukraine to send students there. And the vast majority of educational institutions completed it. Only the KIPU rector categorically refused in Simferopol, saying that the student who had gone there could not return back, would not be restored
            1. Corsair
              Corsair 12 November 2013 13: 14
              +2
              Quote: Misantrop
              Interestingly, then there was an order for the Ministry of Education of Ukraine to send students there. And the vast majority of educational institutions completed it. Only the KIPU rector categorically refused in Simferopol, saying that the student who had gone there could not return back, would not be restored

              The "presence" of cadets of the Academy (?) Of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine (Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine) on the Maidan is memorable, because someone sent "fools THERE?"
          2. makarov
            makarov 12 November 2013 12: 10
            +1
            In the struggle for the national cause, I was a foreign body.
            I.G.
      3. Misantrop
        Misantrop 12 November 2013 11: 38
        +4
        Quote: domokl
        But didn’t you choose the same Yanukovych? Didn’t you choose the deputies?
        That's all I think, for what purpose did you personally choose Medvedev at the time? Did he promise to give an iPhone? what lol
        I will not say for Ukraine, but in the Crimea, "fun" is already beginning to shine through. For the first time in several years, there was a delay in pensions and salaries. Severe warnings for employees that at the slightest criticism of the PR, the one who made it will be instantly fired (and have already begun to do so). By the way, against the background of increasing unemployment, it is a rather serious threat. The Minister of Culture of Crimea Aurika Dribnaya not only stated that she did not need libraries, but had already begun to reduce them. In Feodosia, 20 libraries were simultaneously liquidated. The same is now happening in Sevastopol (I don’t know the exact number, it has its own organization). Next in line is Simferopol. In fact, the Party of Regions is now doing what they used to frighten the people during the "stagnation". The whole difference is that the KGB was only intimidated by the lawlessness, and these act, not at all disdaining gangster methods. You guys have already forgotten over the years what it means to "live under pressure", but here they don't let you forget ... sad
        1. Corsair
          Corsair 12 November 2013 13: 18
          +5
          Quote: Misantrop
          I will not say for Ukraine, but in the Crimea, "fun" is already beginning to shine through. For the first time in several years, there was a delay in pensions and salaries.

          In the East (Donetsk region), the same thing.
          Friends call and complain "about life" ...
        2. domokl
          domokl 12 November 2013 13: 20
          +4
          Quote: Misantrop
          That's all I think, for what purpose did you personally choose Medvedev at the time? Did he promise to give an iPhone?

          Weigh-in. We personally chose Medvedev as a blockhead that will serve as a laying between Putin’s terms. Not more than that. And most Russians treat him like that. Yes, and not Russians either. Note Medvedev is now prime minister, and any article concerning Russia mentions only Putin.
          So I think you understand the logic of Russian voters.
        3. edge
          edge 12 November 2013 15: 02
          +3
          Quote: Misantrop
          That's all I think, for what purpose did you personally choose Medvedev at the time?

          Yes, in Russia they don’t make this secret: Medvedev should have given time and opportunity to Putin to continue the rise of the country .....
    4. avt
      avt 12 November 2013 11: 34
      +4
      Quote: makarov
      The escalation of gravity in a relationship is a fact. The fact is that neither I (a small citizen of Ukraine), nor anyone from my environment are involved in this. The fact is that at one time Putin dragged Yanukovych (twice convicted urku) to the parade of the mausoleum, who ate at that time sweets, and offered GDP.

      So in the article the same kind of peace, labor May, everything seems to be so, but not so. I ate Yanukovych of something and offered GDP at the Moscow Hippodrome,
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      This is when it was that Putin stood at the mausoleum? The mausoleum is not visible during the parade.

      But the article as a whole resembles the answer of Azarov and someone from Naftagaz chtol, about the arrears of payments as much as two months ago - well, it’s not critical to say what to inflate that topic. I don’t want to offend the author, but what’s the point with the independence of the state It's a shame to come to Russia for a passport to Russia ??? Shame on your passport and failed country? Or does he intend to live by my principle - mine, yours - is also mine? And if not, then I will cease to be Russian? On the nose is another round of the crisis, and here either each for himself or somehow together, here Old Man and Nazarbayev agreed that together, on certain conditions and concessions, it will be easier, and now the Belarusians will quietly move and will move around without problems on the CU. request Well, and you are in Europa, if you are allowed in without a Schengen visa. This is your choice in the form of President Yanukovych and it is not necessary to hang on us that we have chosen him for you, unreasonable children, as well as Independence. So the fun is over and, Well, that's all, now you can cry, it's time to pay for everything on promissory notes ... "It used to be a thought, but there was no time to see it. And now everything is like Vysotsky's -" At night of thought dreary, carpenters do not hesitate, do not be in time for morning, it hurts early to hang up. You do not regret it, do not regret that you have a respite, there is not a knot on your rope. Better lie down and warm up, I say I won’t oversleep the execution. , but it will slip into a loop. " Well, there is no sense in taking it for a pity, time has passed, and now, again, as in the same song -, and those who were led, dragged, along a dashing road, were dragged by the winds straight into the prison. endure. As long as the string is not twisted, it will still twist into a whip. "
    5. Altona
      Altona 12 November 2013 19: 15
      +2
      In general, it makes no sense to talk about politicians, and about the people at the same time ... Everything is clear with many politicians - one played drums, the other drank beer with Schroeder, the third hawed a hamburger with Obama and boasted a brand new iPhone ... Actually, speaking about Ukraine, I feel extremely sad, so to say, that having disconnected, we could not unite ... And of course this is the fault of politicians who want to have a cash out from our separation ... Although objective logic dictates that we be friendly states, such as The United States and Great Britain ... Honestly speaking, Russians are not at all interested in the price of gas sold to Ukraine, it is not the people who profit from it, although Gazprom is a major taxpayer ... In Central Russia there are still non-gasified areas ... So that I don’t know, what prevents us from living together, in the sense of working and living ... Whoever really looks at things does not think with the slogans of football fans, Ukrainians live in every region of Russia, at least a few, but they live ... This is all ours people n our relatives ...
  4. Neighbor
    Neighbor 12 November 2013 06: 52
    16
    But why should the "pro-Russian force" in Ukraine be "grown" by Russia, and not by the pro-Ukrainian Ukraine in Russia? Otherwise, the notorious "hand of Moscow" will again be a pretext for anti-Russian sentiments.
    1. Shadowcat
      Shadowcat 12 November 2013 07: 05
      +2
      You said that for sure)
    2. domokl
      domokl 12 November 2013 09: 20
      +3
      Quote: Neighbor
      But why "pro-Russian power" in Ukraine should be "grown" by Russia, not Ukraine

      It seems to me that Ukrainians are now in deep thought. The question is being decided very serious, where to go. And the answer will also be serious. And everything is just as in arithmetic-If Ukraine wants to be European, then only integration with the EU. Anyway. Then, through the thorns to the stars ... If they survive of course. With many losses and, possibly, blood. But there is no other option.
      If Russia, then TS. But in this case, many Ukrainian troubles will have to be changed. From the official ideology to agreements on many issues. But there will be less disasters.
      Smart people understand this, but ordinary people are reinsured again. So that later there would be someone to blame, you would not help, you would not explain, etc.
      1. Misantrop
        Misantrop 12 November 2013 12: 14
        +2
        Quote: domokl
        It seems to me that Ukrainians are now in deep thought.
        They are not in thought, but in deep shock
    3. Grandson of Veteran
      Grandson of Veteran 12 November 2013 10: 58
      +1
      "And the main thing is that the GDP reacts sluggishly, repeating like a mantra:" This is Ukraine's choice, "maybe he is planning what?"
      Apparently, he is waiting for the Ukrainians in the EU to bake themselves. And then the "hand of Moscow" will be replaced by the "paw of Brussels".
      1. Russ69
        Russ69 12 November 2013 11: 38
        +4
        Quote: Veteran's grandson
        "And most importantly, the GDP reacts sluggishly, repeating like a mantra:

        GDP, during disputes, says little at all, for the time being. With Syria, too, was silent to the last, there were few complaints on the forum about this ...
      2. avt
        avt 12 November 2013 12: 21
        +2
        Quote: Veteran's grandson
        And then the "hand of Moscow" will be replaced by the "paw of Brussels".

        And even then, Svidomo's Nezalezhnets, the "paw of Brussels", will be just a glove, the paws of the bloody gebny from Moscow "on the tender throat of the Square, the soul of the European choice, which naturally imposed, like the Independence itself, the evil Kremlin. Alas, request its de ... mo does not smell. The principle by which, to one degree or another, all newly born ex-Soviet republics live. to sign the same in their own helplessness and complete impotence in terms of the creation of great national states!? Despite the fact that Ukraine had a fairly strong starting position inherited from the USSR.
      3. domokl
        domokl 12 November 2013 13: 30
        +3
        Quote: Veteran's grandson
        "And most importantly, the GDP reacts sluggishly, repeating like a mantra:" This is Ukraine's choice. "

        Yes, it's just that. It’s already tired of everything that Ukraine wants to suck two, or even more, queens ... Everyone understands that Yanukovych is trying to blackmail Russia in the hope that he will get a lot of benefits when joining the TS. Only Belarus and Kazakhstan are also members of the union and this will not be allowed. Honestly so honest. Friends are so friends.
        There is logic in this - an old friend is better than the new two. And Belarusians and Kazakhs are really old friends.
        And then, there is one more important detail. Everyone who writes comments is sure that the EU is sleeping and sees Ukraine in its ranks. But this is another question .... Will Germany want to feed another burrower? It is possible that we will soon we’ll see another disgrace of Ukraine. Europeans will simply send it to ... Not where you thought, although I like this idea, but to develop democracy, fight corruption or where else .... But in fact it’s exactly where you thought .. .
  5. Same lech
    Same lech 12 November 2013 06: 55
    11
    Russia needs to re-gain the trust of ordinary people, pretty confused lately, and it doesn’t matter whether they are talking or crushing.
    Yo MY what nonsense.
    Why on earth should I win the confidence of Bandera to myself-they have one word Mosk ... like a red rag for a bull.
    Further, for some reason, the SITUATION with UKRAINE reminds me of a one-goal game, when the Ukrainian leadership believes that in order to be friends with it, RUSSIA should take off its last pants and silently endure blackmail with gas and other things as it was in the past.
    If in KIEV they want friendship, let them learn to keep their word there, and then as they say today PARATSKA with GRISHKA and tomorrow with MISHKA (no stability)
    1. Bigriver
      Bigriver 12 November 2013 07: 45
      11
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      Russia needs to regain the trust of ordinary people, pretty lost for the last time

      +
      Also hooked. Some kind of strange position, like: you work there on yourself, so we like it, finance the pro-Russian forces, and we will see ...
      Ukraine should do its reassessment of the stupid things that it has done, in particular, with its own history. You need to decide - who is she and what? Is it part of the Russian world, or is education independent of all and of everything?
      If one of the Ukrainians is hooked on the word "part" and sees imperialism in it, then I can assure you that Russia is also a part.
      1. RickyTikkiTavi
        RickyTikkiTavi 12 November 2013 09: 11
        +2
        Quote: BigRiver
        Also hooked.

        In order to write that would be hooked. Without such inserts, the article would not have made sense and would not have existed. They try to manipulate you and nothing more.
      2. RBLip
        RBLip 12 November 2013 09: 15
        +4
        Quote: BigRiver
        Some kind of strange position, like: you work there on yourself, so we like it, finance the pro-Russian forces, and we will see ...

        yes normal position. on Leningradka, many women have such a position, in saunas, on call ...
      3. avt
        avt 12 November 2013 14: 44
        0
        Quote: BigRiver
        Also hooked. Some kind of strange position, like: you work there on yourself, so we like it, finance the pro-Russian forces, and we will see ...

        Well, that’s just understandable, they just don’t have Pushkin anymore and they don’t understand why
        Quote: Veteran's grandson
        "And the main thing is that the GDP reacts sluggishly, repeating like a mantra:" This is Ukraine's choice, "maybe he is planning what?"

        And if only cunning .. their pride would be put into the anus and read, "The Tale of Tsar Saltan" Well, where - "Tsar. They confessed everything, confessed, burst into tears" Look, VVP would have let everyone go home with joy. laughing
      4. Kail_seven
        Kail_seven 12 November 2013 18: 04
        +3
        Quote: BigRiver
        Also hooked. Some kind of strange position, like: you work there on yourself, so we like it, finance the pro-Russian forces, and we will see ...
        Ukraine should do its reassessment of the stupid things that it has done, in particular, with its own history. You need to decide - who is she and what? Is it part of the Russian world, or is education independent of all and of everything?
        If one of the Ukrainians is hooked on the word "part" and sees imperialism in it, then I can assure you that Russia is also a part.


        You have some strange logic. Those. you, as I understand it, are against the use by Russia of one of the most effective levers of modern foreign policy? The so-called "non-state funds", "grants", "independent media" - this is what can form the opinion of both ordinary people and most of the elites, as it happened in the 90s in Eastern Europe, in the early 2000s. x countries of the former USSR, which resulted in a wave of the so-called velvet and color revolutions. These same revolutions not only influenced, but radically changed the foreign and domestic policies of states. It is criminal to underestimate this method! If we do not cultivate the elite and form a certain opinion in the areas we need, then others will do it.
        Therefore, it’s very strange for me to hear, for example, that state A should independently formulate foreign policy directions beneficial to state B when there is a whole block of states C — which has been actively investing in the formation of opinions and cultivation of elites for more than ten years. The result, as they say, is a little predictable. We have what we have gained, if at all someone was involved in this area. I think, as always hoped for a chance, which is sad. In the future, the loss of Ukraine may have a very weakening and strengthening of our partners, as it is now fashionable to say now. Of course, for Ukraine itself, this in general can end very deplorably in the near future, but this fact will not compensate for the material, political and strategic losses of Russia.
        1. Bigriver
          Bigriver 13 November 2013 07: 12
          0
          Quote: Kail_Seven
          Some kind of strange logic you have. Those. you, as I understand it, against Russia's use of one of the most effective levers modern foreign policy? The so-called "non-state funds", "grants", "independent media" - this is what can form the opinion of both ordinary people and most of the elites ..

          Let's look at my logic.
          I am against the use by Russia of an "enemy" arsenal of means, since it is civilizationally alien to us. In addition, this arsenal, as time and facts have shown, is only briefly effective in a unipolar world. Actually, this entire arsenal does not aim to link any state (object) with a subject strategically for a long time. This is such a continuous operational-tactical fun with different objects, which gives a strategic advantage.
          We are talking about something else with Ukraine. This state is not an object for Russia! Both Russia and Ukraine are parts of the Russian world. Parts of one civilization.
          Look at the revolutions you are talking about. Eastern Europe? Part of it was temporarily in the orbit of the USSR. And until the 2nd World War - she was not there. That is, with the collapse of the Union, everything just returned to normal. Near East. Which states have completely and completely gone into the orbit of the USA after the “Arab spring”?
          Central Asia and the Caucasus. Who has fundamentally changed the geopolitical choice? One Georgia. How poop in the grill hang out - where the shore is fatter there and pester. And so it will last as long as Russia is weak. But with the growth of its influence, they themselves will come and ask. In a word, you must first deal with yourself. By itself, as a center of attraction.
          And grants and work with the elite are secondary. This is an additional incentive, but not a key tool.
          To be honest, I’ll be a little sorry if Ukraine fails an attempt at European integration. Because it will become a long-running theme for the opposition, in the case of Ukraine’s integration with the EAC.
          1. Kail_seven
            Kail_seven 13 November 2013 16: 41
            0
            Quote: BigRiver
            Let's look at my logic ...


            The facts suggest otherwise. This mechanism is very effective and stable enough, not only to change the political course and the ruling elite, the tools are so diverse that they can solve more global tasks, such as the consolidation of state entities or the destruction of states. A great example is the oldest "velvet revolutions" in Czechoslovakia and the GDR, which led not only to a change in elites and political nomenclature. In the case of Czechoslovakia, to the collapse, after which two new subjects of international law appeared on the map of Europe, and in the case of the GDR, the reverse process occurred, from the subject, this state was transformed into an object, which was subsequently integrated into the subject of Germany. These events have shown that the technology works great, and for nearly 25 years, the result has remained unchanged and say that the “mechanism is short-term effective,” at least cunning.
            As for the statement that: "... Part of it (Eastern Europe) was temporarily in the orbit of the USSR. And until WWII it wasn’t there. That is, with the collapse of the Soviet Union, everything just returned to normal ... "- also does not correspond to reality, those countries of Eastern Europe that were in the sphere of influence of the USSR were not full-fledged subjects, they were objects within either the Russian Empire or as part of Austria-Hungary. After the collapse of the USSR, in principle, whether we like it or not, they are full-fledged subjects of international law, with all the necessary attributes. Among other things, Ukraine is not an exception either, if you personally consider it an object, this does not mean that this is so. Actually, the result of this opinion is the gradual exit of Ukraine from the "orbit of Russia." If we want Ukraine to be a part of the "Russian World", it is necessary to use methods that have perfectly proven themselves in relation to the subject, and not the object, because even a fool should already understand that the methods, shall we say, are the impacts exerted on Ukraine give the opposite effect. This is obvious and this is a fact! Why not use technologies that have proven their effectiveness, just because these methods are from the "enemy" arsenal of means? To hope again at random, not to make any efforts? In my opinion, this is absurd.
  6. Bigriver
    Bigriver 12 November 2013 06: 57
    +8
    The Kremlin was supposed to grow and go out a pro-Russian force in Ukraine itself ... Unfortunately, Russia was not interested and is not interested in this area ...

    And how could this look in reality?
    Highlight the item in the Russian budget for the costs of creating a pro-Russian force? Then look in Ukraine for people who would have mastered this money? drinks
    First, there must be a will LOWER, in Ukraine itself. There must be a social request for such a force. Then people (leaders) will appear, and money will also be pulled to them.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 12 November 2013 07: 08
      +9
      Quote: BigRiver
      First, there must be a will LOWER, in Ukraine itself. There must be a social request for such a force. Then people (leaders) will appear, and money will also be pulled to them.

      If there was a will in Ukraine, then money would not be needed. If you want to throw Yanukovych, Yatsenyuk and Klitschko will be knocked out by a spring from the tractor. But there is no will, they sit and wait for changes .......... ..... and so for 22 years hi
      1. Denis
        Denis 12 November 2013 07: 32
        +2
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        sitting and waiting for change ........

        They will pay money, go to the Maidan to yell ..
        1. Corsair
          Corsair 12 November 2013 15: 27
          +3
          Quote: Denis
          They will pay money, go to the Maidan to yell ..
          The sense that someone ORAL?
          According to the results ... full ANAL crying
      2. olviko
        olviko 12 November 2013 07: 52
        13
        As soon as the economic situation in Ukraine, which is already unenviable, worsens as a result of the signing of an “association agreement” and, accordingly, a sharp reduction in trade and other ties with the Customs Union, there will immediately be a will, leaders, and a social demand. Sergey Glazyev, a Russian economist already predicts , and not without reason, that in the case of signing the "association agreement", Ukrainian business will relocate to Russia. Everything is simple here. As soon as the agreement is signed, Ukraine will be forced to open the borders to goods from the EU, but the market in Russia will close for Ukrainian industry itself. In this vice, Ukrainian industry cannot survive. There is only one way out - to move to Russia and again be behind the customs barrier from goods from Europe. However, not all businessmen are so lucky. For example, the owner of Roshen, Petro Poroshenko, popularly referred to as the “Chocolate Hare,” has been behaving very carelessly lately, systematically pouring mud on Russia. Now his business “draws on both sides” - Putin, as you know, does not forgive such arrivals.
        1. 311ove
          311ove 12 November 2013 09: 38
          0
          That's right! The most "nimble" are already moving ...
  7. Alikovo
    Alikovo 12 November 2013 06: 58
    +1
    many pro-Western politicians in the circle of Yanukovych turned to the west.
  8. nemec55
    nemec55 12 November 2013 07: 00
    +8
    Well, no, the War ?????? Bullshit of the afftor. Here we have been seeing a real diagnosis of Ukraine for 15 years. "Idiocy" is called. Ukraine reminds me of a child who is just learning to walk, shies from side to side and in the case of Ukraine pretends cunningly you ******
  9. Belogor
    Belogor 12 November 2013 07: 02
    +7
    Again the same thing, "Russia must", "The Kremlin is obliged" and other conditions and they are innumerable. Russia owes nothing to anyone !!! Why does Europe, the United States or someone else owe nothing to anyone? Why should everyone and everything, only Russia?
    1. Anper
      Anper 12 November 2013 11: 11
      +6
      I repeated, I repeat and I will repeat - now in Ukraine there is such an intensive brainwashing that there is nothing to be surprised when such expressions are used. It seemed like show Putin with his phrase "This is Ukraine's sovereign choice" and everyone will calm down. So no, they choose all the trash and rubbish and say - look, what bastards Russians are. The processing is insolent, shamelessly, any pretext is used, they dance on the bones (as in the discussion of the battle for Kiev).
      BUT A LARGE NUMBER OF PROCESSED OLDER FUNDS ALREADY BEGINS TO GO UPHOLD.
    2. edge
      edge 12 November 2013 15: 16
      0
      Quote: Belogor
      Why does anyone owe nothing to Europe, the USA, or who else? Why does everyone owe everything, only Russia?

      Who has heard that Europe or the states write off debts? And how many debts and to whom did we write off? It is from this that the corresponding attitude is born, the type of Russians will still be presented, you just have to cry a little ..... So we collect freeloaders
      1. Kail_seven
        Kail_seven 12 November 2013 17: 13
        +2
        Quote: hert
        Quote: Belogor
        Why does anyone owe nothing to Europe, the USA, or who else? Why does everyone owe everything, only Russia?
        Who has heard that Europe or the states write off debts? And how many debts and to whom did we write off? It is from this that the corresponding attitude is born, the type of Russians will still be presented, you just have to cry a little ..... So we collect freeloaders


        An article about Ukraine, among the countries to which Russia forgave debts, is mainly counted in Africa and the Middle East. Since 2000, Russia has forgiven debts to Iraq (8 billion), Libya (4,5 billion), Vietnam (10 billion), Ethiopia (4 billion), Laos (0,7 billion), Mongolia (11 billion) .), Syria (10 billion), Algeria (4,7 billion), Afghanistan (11 billion) Ukraine - Russia did not forgive any debts, so do not engage in sophistry.
  10. Shadowcat
    Shadowcat 12 November 2013 07: 05
    +3
    Gospada, look at these things! Comrades Ukrainians-you are independent and completely (well, I want to believe) free people. You choose your own government. You yourself agree with him. those. your choice is completely personal without any coercion from the neighbors.
    If it’s about the EU or the TS - you yourself are going to abandon the TS by choosing the EU - so why be offended by the TS turning away and now having your forehead to beat in the loin part through the door? Then you decide either to eat a fish or, ahem, go to the forest for a hare. One excludes the other - that exclude the choice of the people of Ukraine, because they chose this government. Or you are positioning yourself ala Sasha Gray - that’s who the celebrity is - could take three at once. But here is the reputation, the reputation.
    Yes, filling in about falsified elections, etc. - if you don’t like the government like that, take it off. Everything is simple.
  11. EGORKA
    EGORKA 12 November 2013 07: 10
    14
    Ha, 20 years in Ukraine russophobia, Svidomo, Bandera, Upa and other trash directed against Russia have flourished, Russia is blamed for everything, they are not fulfilling treaties, they are not paying and they are always ready to go to the West, plus the Nazis of Ukrov killed our soldiers in Chechnya, noted with rodents on 08.08.08 and when Russia began to legally demand a fee, they started howling about the war in Ukraine), you don’t have to fight with you, they’ve devoured the whole army and industry) Someone will say, but in Ukraine everyone is bad ... these good ones are silent passive, we have what we have: Ukraine is heavily independent, it depends on Russia ... it has been convulsing like our severed arm for 20 years, every year weaker and weaker, dreaming that the EU is its sewn to your body, not understanding or not even understanding that they are different and there will be rejection)
    1. calocha
      calocha 12 November 2013 07: 53
      +5
      Even in Crimea, Hizb ut Tahrir blossomed in a riotous color, in Ukraine fertile ground for terrorists due to corruption in power.
  12. Alex66
    Alex66 12 November 2013 07: 18
    -2
    A good article, I agree that it is impossible to create additional problems for the citizens of Ukraine who are in Russia, these are our brothers and relations should be fraternal, we must act with them in good faith, the Ukrainian government has done Russia a dirty trick, and we are simplifying the citizens of Ukraine entering Russia , we are allowed to be treated in our hospitals, we are admitted to higher educational institutions, we are employed on a par with our citizens. And if anyone who wants to stay in Russia easily obtains citizenship - these are our brothers, because these are not empty words?
    1. EGORKA
      EGORKA 12 November 2013 07: 37
      +4
      It is precisely that the words are empty and Russia has not begun to introduce this void. And why are you so trifling, let's send those half of Russia's budget to Ukraine) that some of our brothers who are sick with Svidomo will not care about us, and the rest will be cool .. .losses was something to chew on) And at the expense of moving to Russia, we have already launched such a program.
    2. ZU-23
      ZU-23 12 November 2013 07: 47
      +1
      Yes, these are not empty words, but no action can be seen, for example, Germany lodges ours, provides training and housing, and here I think we can give an offer to the Far East.
      1. EGORKA
        EGORKA 12 November 2013 08: 29
        +1
        Is someone bothering you? forward and with the song) but in Ukraine a new paradise looms in the distance .... to lose it is not even France, but the whole EU ... and there are freebies in ....))
    3. calocha
      calocha 12 November 2013 07: 48
      0
      Carrot and stick ...
    4. RBLip
      RBLip 12 November 2013 09: 25
      +3
      Quote: Alex66
      we are allowed to be treated in our hospitals, we are admitted to higher educational institutions, we are employed on a par with our citizens

      Do you really think so? Do you think that in Russia there is no one to be treated, to study, we do not need a stable well-paid job ourselves? Russia is not enough of its Kazakazian burials, let's hang Svidomo on the neck. nude ...
      1. Alex66
        Alex66 12 November 2013 10: 46
        +5
        Yes, I think so, if Ukrainians are brothers for us, then we need to be treated like brothers and do not be afraid. We are not going to visit us and hang on our necks. Ukrainians do not bargain; they know how to work, well, you have to share flies cutlets are those who shoot and dance lezginka, and there are those who are now dying there from terrorist attacks (covering us).
        1. RBLip
          RBLip 12 November 2013 12: 49
          +1
          Quote: Alex66
          Yes, I think so, if for us Ukrainians are brothers,

          I will not answer it myself. a little lower, a man voiced his opinion how he removed it from his tongue ...
          Quote: nikcris
          Already got these cries about "brotherhood". Each has its own, specific, matchmaker. If for someone every citizen of any neighboring state he loves is a brother, then let this “someone” transfer his salary for the needs of his “brothers”. It is not forbidden.
    5. olviko
      olviko 12 November 2013 11: 01
      +3
      Yes, no one is at war, Russia wants to turn Ukraine away from the wrong move. The main problem of Ukrainians is not in Russia and not in the EU. She is in Ukraine. Unscrupulous thieves, as before, just pulling the country offshore. In Ukraine today there is no national idea of ​​development. There is an idea of ​​national slavery. If you want to live well, live well. Work, develop your country, get rich. If you want to prevent corruption, make sure that it does not exist. A European or overseas uncle will not do this for you. In the EU and the USA, corruption is by no means less, and grandmothers are sawing no worse. The consumer slogan that, having joined the EU, everything will blossom at once, is just a way to fool foolish and poorly educated people.
      After all, there is a good solution obvious to everyone. Why should Ukraine not use its advantageous position between Russia and the EU? The question is absolutely legitimate, but there is some "but." In order to profitably use your position as a “mediator”, you need to be a mediator, which means that you do not belong to any structure - the EU or Russia. What Ukraine wants to crank out is called differently. Ukraine cannot be a mediator, being a part of any state. If Ukraine became a member of the EU, Russia would not deal with a mediator, but with one of the entities within the EU. There can be no talk of any intermediary role. So, Ukraine should be independent, but this is exactly what Putin is talking about, and this is what provides for membership in the CU - the national powers remain untouched. In the case of the EU, this certainly will not happen. The problem is that Ukraine is drawn to the EU by the so-called elite, which has real estate, bank accounts, children in colleges and incriminating evidence from the local secret services over the hill.
      1. Misantrop
        Misantrop 12 November 2013 11: 52
        +1
        Quote: olviko
        There is an idea of ​​national slavery. If you want to live well, live well. Work, develop your country, get rich. If you want to prevent corruption, make sure that it does not exist. European or overseas uncle won't do it for you.

        It is these "uncles" who do what we all see. And clowns in suits are nothing more than a props request
    6. Misantrop
      Misantrop 12 November 2013 11: 49
      0
      Quote: Alex66
      And if anyone wants to stay in Russia, they will easily obtain citizenship
      A friend is making out right now. It seems that something turns out, but has already poured money into it ... sad
  13. Valery Neonov
    Valery Neonov 12 November 2013 07: 18
    +3
    Judging by the latest articles from Azarov, Yanukovych's travels "from Kiev to Moscow and back," the leadership of "Nezalezhnaya" is "sobering" slowly, a heavy hangover, and with it a real look at the future of Ukraine.
  14. Veter
    Veter 12 November 2013 07: 44
    +3
    With the multi-directional movement of parts of one object, this object expects a break. (political physics)
  15. calocha
    calocha 12 November 2013 07: 46
    +3
    The near future will show and put everything in its place. Yanukovych is looking after a reserve airfield, since it will become impossible to live where everything is stolen and sold. Western Ukraine, Belarus, building castles ....
    1. Valery Neonov
      Valery Neonov 12 November 2013 08: 21
      +2
      Yanukovych looks after the alternate aerodrome- I requested the political asylum, just in case ... for the future.
  16. Per se.
    Per se. 12 November 2013 07: 52
    +9
    "There is no need for Russia to" fight "with Ukraine and its people, it is not necessary to sow anger and hatred, there is enough of it already", it is necessary to fight against hostile propaganda separating Little Russia from Greater Russia, as a territory with people of a "different" nationality. How so, we manage to lose, having historical truth and a pro-Russian majority, to lose to the falsifiers of history and renegades who do not remember their kinship! The costumed clowns of the "new nation" who emerged from the Austro-Hungarian and Polish-Lithuanian occupation are trying to separate Little Russia from the Russian people, making the Swedish lackey and traitor Mazepa, the Kaiser's henchman Petliura and Hitler's accomplice Bandera, heroes. Russia, as a strong state, began from Kiev, as one with Little (indigenous) Russia, with the baptism of the Russian people. A Ukrainian, as a nation, is as nonsense as a Siberian or a Uralian. We - Russians, this is the main thing, as well as the fact that Little Russia is a root part of a single Russian land. A referendum, an Anschluss, the capital in Kiev, and this must be done quickly.
    1. edge
      edge 12 November 2013 15: 30
      +2
      Quote: Per se.
      Russia, as a strong state, began with Kiev

      wrong remark ...- the Kiev princes tattered Rus to the estates, only Moscow managed to partially unite and preserve the fragmented heritage. at the time of the adoption of the Julian calendar, Tsar Peter 1-Rus was 7280 years old.
      1. Per se.
        Per se. 12 November 2013 22: 43
        +1
        In any case, herd, Kievan Rus is known in history, who has "torn apart" what, and historians have no consensus, everyone has been "torn apart", and not only in Russia.
  17. saag
    saag 12 November 2013 08: 23
    +1
    To limit a person’s freedom, on the contrary, one should give complete freedom of action, then he will not rush to use it, since he will have the impression that it is freedom and is available at any moment. So with Ukraine, we must give it the opportunity to step on the rake with all its might, it will be their rake
    1. Prutkov
      Prutkov 12 November 2013 15: 29
      +3
      I am afraid that it will be very difficult to get off this "euro-rake". All this "integration" project is not ruled by fools. This euro swamp draws in so that it is very difficult to break out of it. We'll have to wait another 300-500 years until "two fraternal Slavic peoples meet." The author of the article writes about this. Do not think that the problems of Ukraine are only the problems of the Ukrainians. The "pro-Russian" elite should be "grown" for years, decades. The "anti-Russian" elite did not appear yesterday. She, too, was "raised, fed". Many of the current "broad" in Soviet times were very much even "devoted to the cause of the party." There is no doubt - Yanukovych is not the best choice. But there is no other yet. Yes, and they pressed him not even weakly - using the example of Cypriot offshore companies they showed what would happen to his "honestly acquired" capital. In Russia, too, "the light converged like a wedge" on two leaders. If this is not done now, I am afraid that we will have to build a new Chinese wall along the Dnieper. And there the Poles will get from the archive a treaty according to which Smolensk and the surrounding area is a Polish city. And the problem of Islamization in Ukraine is not yet as acute as in Russia. But for this it is not necessary to alienate from Russia those people who trust in it. It is worth "filtering the bazaar" for a number of figures. And then in Ukraine there are many different channels a la "Echo", which the words spoken by some politicians expose in a completely different sense. By the way, the westernmost region of Ukraine, Transcarpathia, consistently votes for the Party of Regions in all elections. So how are we going to divide Ukraine?
      1. alone
        alone 12 November 2013 18: 50
        +1
        honestly I can’t understand anything. Will Ukraine in the EU, or in the CU, solve it anyway for Ukrainians and their government. This is their problem with who to be and who not to be. Let them decide what they should do. Think what, your comments, bullying and sometimes pure insults All those present here can discourage them from joining the EU? And the open anti-European actions of the masses are something that is not visible and not heard.
        Whatever path is chosen, I personally wish Ukraine and the Ukrainian people happiness and prosperity.
  18. Just
    Just 12 November 2013 08: 45
    +3
    the author writes: ... Who cares whether Newmazep subscribes to Eurocabal or not, this will not change anything. Do you really think that the Ukrainian authorities respect some scribbles? In vain in Moscow, Brussels, Washington and Beijing, contracts with Ukraine are stored in safes - throw them out quickly, there is no sense in them. When in Kiev they consider that the association is not profitable for them, it will be canceled ...
    not understanding the essence of what is happening. Europe needs to expand the market for its products, which is why Ukraine is needed. In order for Ukrainians to be able to buy these goods, Ukraine will be hoisted in debt, as was done with the Baltic states or Georgians. And Ukraine will not be allowed to jump out of the debt hole. And even more so, Europe will not allow the abandonment of association with the EU. Association with the EU is the point of return. After its passage, Ukraine will have a way only in one direction - from Russia.
    1. seller trucks
      seller trucks 12 November 2013 11: 28
      +2
      Quote: Simpleton
      Europe needs to expand the market for its products, which is why Ukraine is needed.


      I’m embarrassed to ask if the EU is so interested in new markets, why haven’t they accepted Ukraine so far, why Turkey hasn’t been accepted there? Why have Germany and France always been the main opponents of the association? Why has Great Britain not become a full member of the EU and is not included in the Schengen zone if everything is so good in it? The Britons do not want to feed the poor peoples, it is not interesting for them to expand the FTA. The influence of the BB from across the ocean is very strong, but he did give it the go-ahead, why?
      1. Setrac
        Setrac 12 November 2013 16: 25
        +3
        Quote: seller trucks
        I’m embarrassed to ask if the EU is so interested in new markets, why haven’t they accepted Ukraine so far, why Turkey hasn’t been accepted there?

        The EU Association is not yet a member. This is such a tricky thing, duties will hang on Ukraine, but they will not give any rights.
  19. borisjdin1957
    borisjdin1957 12 November 2013 08: 48
    +4
    from the Don.
    Many comments were deliberate. Everyone felt painful. But looking at Ukraine’s policy towards Russia, I am enraged not only by the so-called elite, but also by ordinary people! In some kind of electronic media in Ukraine, it was enthusiastically stated that Ukraine is at 29th place the world by the number of billionaires! Where did the grandmas come from, gentlemen? They stole from Russia, and now try to help! Good !!! For 20 years, they sucked Russia, sucked from the EU! Just you will suck, the question is interesting! A pragmatic approach to relationships, not cunningly thought out!
    1. Valery Neonov
      Valery Neonov 12 November 2013 11: 29
      +2
      If in the EU, then in a year and a half we may not see Ukraine "independent" ...
  20. tank64rus
    tank64rus 12 November 2013 09: 02
    +1
    V.I. Lenin wrote a hundred years ago that without an alliance with Russia, a free, independent Ukraine is impossible. It can be seen that this truth does not reach some.
  21. ed65b
    ed65b 12 November 2013 09: 30
    +5
    I don’t know where or where in our Belgorod region relations with Ukrainians are like with Russians. It happens and make fun of each other but without malice as before. and go to each other without problems. one annoying is customs and border. The Galitism of the Ukrainians drove crazy and the authorities imprisoned for it. how did the east of Ukraine manage to lie under the impoverished west? Maybe it's time for you to put the zapadenskaya frostbite in place? In the vehicle, others in the vehicle.
    1. Ivan_Ivanov
      Ivan_Ivanov 12 November 2013 11: 21
      +4
      Russia needs to regain the trust of ordinary people,

      Behind the impoverished west of Ukraine America stands with all of Europe.
  22. Stinger
    Stinger 12 November 2013 09: 36
    0
    The author, apparently, did not understand who ate his fat.
  23. RBLip
    RBLip 12 November 2013 09: 41
    +1
    I personally think only one thing about Ukraine. Russia does not need to go there. generally. fence off all possible duties, visas, etc. and when a complete office worker arrives in non-sale, then every citizen of Russia, looking at the pornography that will occur among neighbors, will be baptized and happily shout - what a blessing that I am a citizen of Russia. and ukram WE DO NOT HAVE ANYTHING. neither I personally owe anything, nor the people who are on this site. WE DO NOT HAVE ANYTHING TO UKRAINE. and there is no "war" on the part of Russia. but there is the defense of national interests. article minus.
  24. DNX1970
    DNX1970 12 November 2013 09: 43
    -4
    our power cannot gain confidence from our people ...
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 12 November 2013 09: 54
      -1
      Quote: DNX1970
      our power cannot gain confidence from our people ...

      What is ours?
  25. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 12 November 2013 09: 55
    0
    Something in the news flashed Rada threatens Yanukovych with impeachment (for a trip to Moscow) large factories stop ... businessmen demand an urgent meeting with Yanukovych ... Who will say that? or is it disa ..
    1. Walking
      Walking 12 November 2013 10: 35
      +2
      Large factories that supplied products to Russia stopped, but Russia covered this shop. And in Europe, no one needs these products there are their own manufacturers.
    2. Egoza
      Egoza 12 November 2013 11: 23
      +2
      Quote: MIKHAN
      Rada threatens impeachment of Yanukovych (for a trip to Moscow)

      This is not the Council, but the opposition. Klitschko yearns for impeachment (well, so VFJ drove him - he signed a law according to which Klitschko could not apply for the presidential election), and Yatsenyuk demands to answer why he went to Russia.
  26. morpogr
    morpogr 12 November 2013 09: 55
    +3
    So deal with your rulers yourself and decide the matter. After all, when there was an orange plague they came out, they overthrew who didn’t like, put those who later deceived you, but did it yourself. Now you must prove by your actions that we should trust you. After you come up with Russia (pumping out oil and gas resources, etc., famine, occupation, the destruction of Ukrainian identity) you need to try very hard. To begin, restore justice, recognize Russian as the second state language.
  27. Ihrek
    Ihrek 12 November 2013 10: 01
    +3
    Its president is at war with Ukraine and its people.
  28. Egoza
    Egoza 12 November 2013 10: 11
    10
    Dear forum users! I put the article +, because the author is first of all upset by some comments, where they write indiscriminately about Ukrainians, although in fact they mean our government. It's just a cry from the human soul. Well, if "point by point" ....
    1. There will be no signing about the association. (I do not want Romanov 1kg fat disgrace laughing ) And precisely because the EU began to put very strong pressure on Yanukovych. You can’t put pressure on him, he will rest and do the opposite. It seems to me that Putin understood this and made it possible to feel this pressure from the EU.
    2. You write "whom you chose" - and the choice was Yanukovych-Tymoshenko. So who to vote for in this case? Moreover, Yanukovych built his entire election program on a really pro-Russian theme.
    3. It is another matter that after he became president, Ganya German very quickly "drew" near him, herself from Canada, was brought up on "insurgent letters", now lives in Ukraine ... At first she was the "voice of the president" while he he taught Ukrainian (with her), then as a deputy in the PR, and here the Western rhetoric of the VFYa appeared, and the desire to please the memory, well, etc. History repeats itself as with Yushchenko. (Could you please introduce some thread to Katya Ivanova from Ukraine to him? repeat And the West shustrenko fussed)
    4. VFJ certainly, like ALL presidents, cannot completely be completely independent. Yes, it is supported by its Donetsk clan. But many of our oligarchs have already invested their money in Western production (the same Akhmetov), ​​i.e. factories bought there - although they have become unprofitable at them, they are still not in the deplorable state to which they managed to bring ours. That’s why they pinned themselves up - to quit everything here, there is already a backlog.
    5. Not everything is so dull. Now the deputies have gone to the districts to meet with voters (you see, to agitate for the EU), and the people "expressed" to them. And already in the PR itself there is a split, which they already openly admit. did not the "sudorgs" go from here? The published ratings are one thing, but it turns out that the people in the east-south are not "for" the EU. An interesting situation turns out - you can sign an association, but at the same time lose power! And just yesterday, Efremov, the leader of the PR faction, said (I am not citing literally) "Nothing has been signed yet, but change the laws, let Yulia out .... you may not sign the association, but keep your self-respect."
    6. Pro-Russian forces are acting, although they are greatly hindered. And although Akim here and scolded Markov (maybe rightly), whatever one may say, it was he who created the Rodina party, and all the time spoke with his guys against the fascist marches and performances in Odessa. Yes, I went to the Party of Regions to get into parliament, because his party is known only in Odessa and this region. But even then he began to speak for the TS, and immediately ... he was expelled and arrested for the fact that 7 years ago (!!!) he smashed a Svoboda member's lip during a collision between Antifa and Svoboda.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 12 November 2013 10: 17
      +6
      Quote: Egoza
      (I don’t want Romanov 1kg of fat to embroil

      Elena, yes, I just wrote about kilo sala. I’m not a monster, sacred for every Ukrainian at stake laughing
      1. Egoza
        Egoza 12 November 2013 11: 26
        +3
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Yes, I just wrote about kilo sala. I’m not a monster, sacred for every Ukrainian at stake

        Romanov! Although I am Russian in Ukraine, I WILL NOT be signing, so I will put lard and gorilochka with cucumbers of my own pickle! I only came to visit! laughing
        1. atos_kin
          atos_kin 12 November 2013 15: 05
          +2
          "I will put out both bacon and gorilochka with cucumbers of my own pickles! If only I came to visit!"

          Some are lucky love
        2. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 13 November 2013 04: 36
          0
          Quote: Egoza
          so I’ll expose fat and gorilochka with cucumbers

          Already packing my suitcase winked
    2. zmey_gadukin
      zmey_gadukin 12 November 2013 11: 17
      +4
      Quote: Egoza
      1. There will be no signing about the association. (I don’t want Romanov 1 kg of fat to shame)

      I’m betting with Romanov, or with someone else, that at the last moment the signing will be cut short ...
      They will find some reason. Although the real reason will be one: Putin will agree with Yanukovych!
      1. ultra
        ultra 12 November 2013 16: 44
        +1
        Quote: zmey_gadukin
        Although the real reason will be one: Putin will agree with Yanukovych!

        I would like to believe in it! hi
    3. ultra
      ultra 12 November 2013 16: 43
      +1
      Quote: Egoza
      Ganya German very quickly "drew" near him

      And here they are !!! All evil because of women! laughing
  29. nikcris
    nikcris 12 November 2013 10: 21
    +3
    We have already got these cries about "brotherhood". Each has its own, specific, matchmaker. If for someone every citizen of any neighboring state he loves is a brother, then let this “someone” transfer his salary for the needs of his “brothers”. It is not forbidden. The last time I did this voluntarily after the earthquake in Spitak.
    And the rulers have nothing to do with it. Not a single ruler, no where, never once said - Stop feeding Russia! This was stated by numerous "brothers". From Sofia to Dushanbe.
    And do not stick to me about the choice of the USSR in a referendum. Read the texts carefully - they have been adjusted for the referendum in all republics. As a result, they got what they voted for - CIS wassat

    Gas will not break off in the vehicle in Ukraine ...
    1. RBLip
      RBLip 12 November 2013 12: 51
      0
      a plus. definitely. subscribe to every word.
  30. major071
    major071 12 November 2013 10: 23
    +6
    I have already written on this topic many times and I will stick to my position: Ukraine is an INDEPENDENT state with all the attributes. And she solves all her problems on her own. What does Russia have to do with it? Why blame another state for all troubles.
    Can't you get your mom's boobs off? And the mother is not needed and scared to quit, and the mother is to blame for all the troubles, probably brought up incorrectly. It seems that the legs are going towards Russia, and the head is looking west, because you can fall and hurt very hard, but the mother will still raise and squeeze and forgive the unreasonable child, no matter how ungrateful it is, because the child is native.
    1. HAM
      HAM 12 November 2013 10: 45
      +2
      "A tender calf sucks two queens." (Ukrainian proverb)
      Any questions???
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 12 November 2013 11: 20
        +2
        Quote: HAM
        Any questions???

        There are questions, but the queens have no boobs anymore. hi
  31. m_o_r_o
    m_o_r_o 12 November 2013 10: 27
    +4
    Someone needs to start, otherwise it will be like in a joke:

    Evening in the village. A couple is sitting on the mound. He smokes a cigarette.
    She chews on seeds. Complete silence. An hour passes. It:
    “Well, will I go?”
    Is he:
    - Sit.
    Another hour passes. It:
    “Well, will I go?”
    Is he:
    - Sit.
    Another hour passes. She silently gets up and leaves. He (extinguishing cigarette):
    - Hmm ... I didn’t.
  32. Warrawar
    Warrawar 12 November 2013 10: 30
    +4
    Russia owes nothing to anyone. Who is fighting with whom is still a big question ... Ukrainians lit up even in the Caucasian war, on the side of Chechen fighters and in Georgia (against Russia). This is not to mention the fact that in Ukraine there is an ethnocide of the Russian population.
    The rejection of the EU will cause an immediate large-scale political crisis in Ukraine, which will immediately be financed by the West. And from it to the civil war there will be one step. So Ukraine, if it wants to live even a little bit as it is, there is only one way - to the EU.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 12 November 2013 10: 57
      +3
      Quote: Warrawar
      in Ukraine there is an ethnocide of the Russian population.

      It is good that you acknowledge this.
      Quote: Warrawar
      The rejection of the EU will cause an immediate large-scale political crisis in Ukraine,

      Will not work. Moreover, now there is a game for the EU to abandon us. And this is quite possible. Already now in the EP they say that the signing of the association can be postponed to 2014, they say, then they will sign it immediately with Georgia, Moldova and Ukraine. Only in the EU in 2014 there will be elections for many, and "anti-European parties" are gaining strength, even as things will turn out for them.
      Quote: Warrawar
      there is only one road to the EU.

      Sorry, but a tip in your tongue! hi However, not so long is left. It is possible that already on November 18 the European Foreign Ministers will express their opinion specifically. (On 13 they should be given a report by Koks-Kwasniewski on the Yulia case) And only formal signing can be submitted to the summit. This has already been stated in the media.
  33. Egoza
    Egoza 12 November 2013 10: 37
    +2
    keep going
    7. There is Medvedchuk’s organization - but it’s Putin’s godfather, and has not yet spun up as the party has not been formed. But it’s not yet evening, it will come to the polls as a party — perhaps many will support it. While the people (on the networks) are cursing and saying that they will only support the Communists now. These at least do not back down from their program.
    8. As for getting a job ... I was personally offered to go to work. I went, registered, applied for a permit ... for 6 months it was all "drawn up" for me - the permission came, but in two weeks I had already "completed the task" and left. And how can people go to you? (although there are many who wish). give up citizenship (1) quit, sell everything here (2), fill out all the papers at the embassy (3), move (4), like this to get around with paperwork and permission (5), and it's not a fact that they will immediately start issuing that the very help in moving to the Russian Federation, you yourself know this very well, but how to live? So everything rests against our (mutual) bureaucratic delays.
    9. Help to pro-Russian forces ... As we have argued here (and someone - we will not point a finger at a respected moderator laughing was indignant), but any movement needs money, even foreign ones. And at least propaganda at the level of A.S. Pushkin, N.V. Gogol, just "Russian clubs" for young people. Thematic evenings, concerts, and more.
    10. The border ... Yes, the law is the law, the state is the state, but it’s in my passport — I was born in Moscow — well, it’s a shame to go home on my passport. Well, it was designed for a long time with me, but for many, now it’ll fly in a pretty penny, if at all there is enough money for it.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 12 November 2013 11: 24
      0
      Quote: Egoza
      9. Help to pro-Russian forces ... As we have argued here (and someone - we will not point a finger at a respected moderator, was indignant), but for any movement, money is needed, even if it is foreign.

      Okay Elena, specifically how much money do you need to organize a brawl (party) in Ukraine?
      1. Egoza
        Egoza 12 November 2013 12: 26
        +1
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        how much money do you need to organize a brawl (party) in Ukraine?

        About the party, program, prepared units and money will inform in PM and encryption soldier
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 12 November 2013 17: 15
          +1
          Quote: Egoza
          trained units and

          Aha, then we’ll do a revolution laughing
  34. sashka
    sashka 12 November 2013 10: 41
    +2
    The picture in the title was made at the behest of the Kremlin. .Ukraintsy are "true" to their promises. Like real men. He gave the Word and immediately took it. The outskirts are not a peasant country .. She is already a Gayrope.
    1. xan
      xan 12 November 2013 14: 03
      +1
      Quote: Sasha
      The picture in the title was made at the behest of the Kremlin. .Ukraintsy are "true" to their promises. Like real men. He gave the Word and immediately took it. The outskirts are not a peasant country .. She is already a Gayrope.

      "It is the privilege of a gentleman to make promises that he does not intend to keep" (Lord Losterly).
  35. shitovmg
    shitovmg 12 November 2013 10: 48
    +2
    I put the article "-". Our government is fighting its people for total destruction in the same way as in (in) Ukraine! So, dividing peoples, they divide power and money! Power is chosen by M and St. Petersburg, it suits them ...
  36. polly
    polly 12 November 2013 10: 48
    +3
    Russia has not done anything terrible and "installing barbed wire fences" is not Lavrov's insidious plan, which he has been hatching for a number of years, it is adequate technical measures. But why blame Russia for allegedly doing little good to Ukraine ? It's like when you swam behind the buoys, and then you blame the one who doesn't hold your lifebuoy there for you on a string ... We are one people, let's think in this way!
  37. sashka
    sashka 12 November 2013 10: 49
    +1
    I sympathize with my colleagues .. Some in fact believed that "a Ukrainian without" lychek "is not a man .. Now if you are not a homosexual, he is not a man either. That's how you guys got carried away ... how you need to drive through your brains, what kind of skating rink. What would be so stupid .. And we tried to make people out of you ..
    1. bistrov.
      bistrov. 12 November 2013 11: 43
      +3
      Quote: Sasha
      that "a Ukrainian is not a human being without" stripes. "

      But this is in fact so. And it was a vivid illustration of their mentality. Isn't 1991 an indicator of this? We are supposedly "independent", everything depends on us, like, "We are feeding Russia." Then, when life showed that this was not so, Kuchma humiliatedly crawled to beg from Russia for a handout for cheap gas, but inside the country he nevertheless cultivated nationalist sentiments, rabid nationalists were placed in key posts, especially in the army, who presented Russia as the main enemy. Over time, this policy has borne fruit: - Modern youth has already been brought up in the spirit of nationalism and in a sharovar style. I don’t want to say anything about Yushchenko, everyone knows about him, but Yanukovych went much further than Yushchenko, who talked more than he did, Yanukovych, verbally voicing friendly feelings for Russia,
      stretching out his hand to shake, in the other hand hides a knife or a club behind his back. Russia in time did not recognize in him a kind of "Soviet Ukrainians with stripes", or the former Mazepa, who in words swore allegiance to Tsar Peter, but in fact conspired with both Catholic Poland and the Swedish king Karl-12 (in general, what does the FSB do, how do all officials make money or serve the state?). But Russia, unlike Tsar Peter, cannot openly move its troops to Ukraine, the times are not the same, but nevertheless, it takes practically no measures to create "favorable conditions" in Ukraine for the destabilization of nationalist regimes, with all the presence of a huge number of favorable for her factors (only ethnic Russians in Ukraine live from 7 to 12 million, according to various estimates). At the same time, Russia resembles "an ostrich with its head in the sand", not wanting to notice that a vicious enemy is being raised right on its borders, who hates it with all his soul and considers her to be the culprit of all his troubles. Probably they will come to their senses only when the NATO fleet is parked in Sevastopol, and American fighter-bombers will land on the airfields directly near Bryansk, in order to bomb the ship diesel plant located there. Well, this is quite in the Russian manner: - first create an obstacle where it was not, and then vigorously overcome it, though losing thousands of Russian lives.
      1. xan
        xan 12 November 2013 14: 16
        +1
        Quote: bistrov.
        They will probably come to their senses only when the NATO fleet will park in Sevastopol, and immediately near the Bryansk, American fighter-bombers will land at the airfields

        Already, the NATO border is 150 km from St. Petersburg.
        Do not scare us with this.
      2. IS-80
        IS-80 12 November 2013 15: 17
        +3
        Quote: bistrov.
        We are supposedly "independent", everything depends on us, like, "we feed Russia"


        This was shouted in Russia too. And it seems everywhere in all the Union republics. I agree with you in many ways.

        Quote: bistrov.
        I don’t want to say anything about Yushchenko, everyone knows about him, but Yanukovych went much further than Yushchenko, who chatted more than he did, Yanukovych voiced his friendly feelings towards Russia,
        stretching out his hand to shake, in the other hand hides a knife or a club behind his back. Russia in time did not recognize in him a kind of "Soviet Ukrainians with stripes", or the former Mazepa, who in words swore allegiance to Tsar Peter, but in fact conspired with both Catholic Poland and the Swedish king Karl-12 (in general, what does the FSB do, how do all officials make money or serve the state?). But Russia, unlike Tsar Peter, cannot openly move its troops to Ukraine, the times are not the same, but nevertheless, it takes practically no measures to create "favorable conditions" in Ukraine for the destabilization of nationalist regimes, with all the presence of a huge number of favorable for her factors (only ethnic Russians in Ukraine live from 7 to 12 million, according to various estimates). At the same time, Russia resembles "an ostrich with its head in the sand", not wanting to notice that a vicious enemy is being raised right on its borders, who hates it with all his soul and considers her to be the culprit of all his troubles. Probably they will come to their senses only when the NATO fleet is parked in Sevastopol, and American fighter-bombers will land on the airfields directly near Bryansk, in order to bomb the ship diesel plant located there. Well, this is quite in the Russian manner: - first create an obstacle where it was not, and then vigorously overcome it, though losing thousands of Russian lives.


        Well, centuries go by nothing changes. Princes and boyars share power and money. The people for the time being endure. Then there was an explosion, confusion, distribution of slaps, stabilization of the situation, rebirth, a new round of history.
        And the eternal question is when will we grow wiser?
      3. edge
        edge 12 November 2013 15: 51
        +3
        Quote: bistrov.
        But Russia, unlike Tsar Peter, cannot openly move its troops to Ukraine, the times are not the same, but nevertheless, it does not take practically any measures to create "favorable conditions" in Ukraine for the destabilization of nationalist regimes

        There is another unpleasant factor, Turkey said that in the event of the collapse of Ukraine as a state, it has the right to return to its former territories (Crimea, New Russia)
  38. Jober
    Jober 12 November 2013 11: 02
    +3
    We need to work with the heads, thoughts and feelings of the people of Ukraine. In the vanguard of the liberation of Ukraine should go what unites us - the common church, culture, history.
    It is necessary, it is necessary, it is necessary ... Here come to Lviv and try. Is it possible to push a person who runs away, if only to catch up.
  39. Balalaikin
    Balalaikin 12 November 2013 11: 07
    14
    Stop “fighting” with Ukraine and its people

    As a resident of Ukraine I will say that Ukrainian authorities are fighting against their people, for the sake of enrichment ... When the Russian authorities make some decisions that lead to financial losses of the Ukrainian authorities - all the media immediately start to moan and howl that Russia is so-and-so, thereby distracting public opinion from real problems in our state ...
    1. Ivan_Ivanov
      Ivan_Ivanov 12 November 2013 11: 28
      +5
      That's right !!!
    2. IS-80
      IS-80 12 November 2013 11: 51
      +7
      Quote: Balalaikin
      Ukrainian authorities are fighting against their people

      The trouble is that most of the Ukrainian and Russian authorities do not care about the Russian people, they mostly remember that somewhere there are some people there only during the election, well, or when events happen like Biryulyovo. Yes, actually and everywhere. Rich and powerful people are raking in money and fighting for power, the rich are getting richer, the poor are poorer. I do not see those forces that could at the moment radically change the situation throughout the territory of divided Russia. Not yet visible to the new comrade Stalin.
    3. Sevastopol
      Sevastopol 12 November 2013 15: 13
      +3
      but this is to the point. the media artificially combine the concepts of the interests of the oligarchs and the interests of the population. the Ukrainian authorities, in spite of any sensible action of Russia in defense of their interests, are at once to blame for the screams-snot "matskali curses". although the government itself, any Ukrainian government, even the past, even the current one, is engaged in only one thing - it squeezes more and more from the already poor population, raising taxes, setting a living wage such as in African countries, beggar pensions, lack of social guarantees, etc.
  40. andranick
    andranick 12 November 2013 11: 12
    0
    Yeah, it's difficult with Ukraine. On the one hand, there are brothers-Slavs. On the other hand, the further, the dearer. No, but what about the common centuries-old history? So it was slavery that refuses. On the other hand, Ukraine has developed its own independent history. In which there were both spitting and splashing saliva in Russia, and outright betrayal, and indirect - betrayal of the memory of those who fell in the Second World War. Such is the brotherly relationship. But this is the established history of the new Ukraine. All. Basta. It was. And therefore it hurts me, but let Ukraine forget about the existence of Russia. Not "At the edge of the country" she told me already, but "For the country".
    1. edge
      edge 12 November 2013 15: 56
      +1
      And the word is what the Austrians came up with the Germans, Ukrainians ..... as they looked into the future
  41. KEKS44
    KEKS44 12 November 2013 11: 18
    +5
    The article is uniquely "-". Whining about the fact that the big brother does not understand the little one (this is against the background of spitting and neglect of Ukraine towards Russia) is disgusting. The time has passed when we, to the detriment of ourselves, fed and warmed unlucky relatives. Live as you see fit. The fact that Yanukovych is acting in spite of the majority of the population of Ukraine is your problem because this is your deliberate choice. By the way, Ukrainians have experience of overthrowing unwanted presidents, so they could repeat it. Personally, I do not feel any sympathy for Ukraine. We got what we were striving for!
  42. Ivan_Ivanov
    Ivan_Ivanov 12 November 2013 11: 19
    +7
    It is clear and close that the author’s heart aches for the state of affairs in Ukraine. But I fundamentally disagree with his conclusions.

    The author suggests that Russia remove all barriers with Ukraine. But in this case, our local bosses will continue to grow rich, build up power and use it against Russia. To remove barriers is to make it clear to people in Ukraine that Russia is weak, and the local Mazepa won.

    Neither tactically nor strategically, this is not correct.

    We, the inhabitants of Ukraine, were in full f ... e. It is a fact.

    Just as we ended up in it in 41-43, when Ukraine was occupied. And in order to liberate Ukraine, our Red Army fought on its territory. I bombed cities and villages, Ukrainian land, simultaneously destroying houses and remaining plants, farms, burning crops ... Naturally, the civilian population of Ukraine suffered and died.

    Only if this was not done, Ukraine would forever remain in occupation and the people of Ukraine would be destroyed at the root, and it itself was used against Russia.

    There is a war for Ukraine, and naturally we, its simple inhabitants, will suffer, we will fall into this meat grinder. No way without it.
  43. zmey_gadukin
    zmey_gadukin 12 November 2013 11: 19
    -1
    Judging by many comments, Russians do not want to see brothers in Ukrainians)
    Well, it should be said that many Ukrainians also do not see Russian brothers. 20 years - the author correctly noted this. The generation has grown.
  44. Ivan_Ivanov
    Ivan_Ivanov 12 November 2013 11: 26
    +5
    Many commentators from Russia say:
    Live now as you want ....

    They just can’t understand that Ukraine is occupied, as in the 41-43th and nothing depends on the Ukrainians. As they were in the service of the occupiers then, and now there are enough of them. All the rest are in occupation.

    Imagine if in the 42nd inhabitants of the USSR said:
    - You have Germans, you work for them, many have left for Germany, so live as you want.

    It’s impossible to imagine, right?
    1. uhjpysq1
      uhjpysq1 12 November 2013 11: 33
      +5
      Well, yes, someone in the service of the occupiers. Well, where are the partisans ????
      1. Ivan_Ivanov
        Ivan_Ivanov 12 November 2013 11: 39
        +2
        And here it is. And on other resources. A lot of us.
        But don't expect us to become terrorists. Don't expect us to be in the occupation administration, in the occupation media. There may be our "Stirlitz", but not we, not partisans.
    2. andranick
      andranick 12 November 2013 11: 38
      +4
      Quote: Ivan_Ivanov
      They just can’t understand that Ukraine is occupied, as in the 41-43th and nothing depends on Ukrainians

      And what is needed from Russia? Or how can I personally help you? Well it does not reach me.
      Only you yourself will be able to get out of this chocolate, and only then will there be a conscious decision on the part of Ukraine - are we brothers or not. Already on an equal footing. And it is not a fact that the answer will be "yes". And now, any help from Russia will be seen as a desire to once again drive the Ukrainian people into bondage. Unambiguous negative.
      1. Ivan_Ivanov
        Ivan_Ivanov 12 November 2013 11: 47
        +6
        Ukrainians (Malorosy), along with Russians (Great Russians) and Belarusians - 3 ethnic groups of the same Russian people. Now in Ukraine there is a genocide of Russians of Ukrainian nationality. The destruction of the resources of the southern Russian lands. Are you asking?
        And what is needed from Russia? ...


        Only yourself can get out of this chocolate ...

        Well, we are fighting against the whole West: America with a united Europe. Well, and as you imagine, we will rake them alone. To expect from us that we will somehow free ourselves is the same as to wait for Ukraine to free itself from occupation during the Second World War.
        1. andranick
          andranick 12 November 2013 12: 31
          +2
          Understand, and eat the fish, and you won't be able to choke on the bone. Yes, we are genetically close. But look how little it took for the truth (like feces) to come out: only three people were able to destroy centuries-old ties. And the "brothers" rushed from Russia like the devil from a snuffbox, bursting with an orgasm of independence. So maybe there were no brothers? Or, I will ask in another way? And where were the "brothers" when we, here in Russia, were sucking up to the highest degree? It sucks from everything: from the betrayal of the authorities, "brothers", the great humiliation and mortification of the Russian people and all other nationalities living in Russia. I don’t remember fraternal help. From those years, only one good memory - the ballast leaked abroad. There was no help for us. And you can only survive on your own if you want independence.
          Quote: Ivan_Ivanov
          Well, we are fighting against the whole West: America with a united Europe.
          Well, yes, of course, who argues. There’s nothing to argue about
          1. Ivan_Ivanov
            Ivan_Ivanov 12 November 2013 12: 42
            +4
            only three people were able to destroy centuries-old ties

            not 3 people. Tried the whole West for decades and countless hordes of agents and just bastards in our power in the USSR.

            And the "brothers" rushed from Russia like the devil from a snuffbox

            When in power in Moscow there were the same agents of the West. I recall that this is the very first Russia to adopt a declaration of independence. (although there was no other way, Gorbachev was preparing the collapse of the country not into 15, but into 150 parts).

            And where were the "brothers" when we, here in Russia, were sucking up to the highest degree?

            So we had the same thing!

            Maybe enough to kick each other? stop being led by yourself you know what manipulators. They slander us and incite us to each other. Enough. Wake up smarter.
            1. andranick
              andranick 12 November 2013 13: 11
              +2
              Yes, no one kicks. I'm trying to convey the fact that at the moment there is no brotherhoods Slavic peoples. They are divorced by their own stories, new generations. Who prepared and implemented the divorce - by and large, already and it does not matter. The attempt of Russia to draw closer to Ukraine, to unite, will instantly be defeated as a second enslavement.
              There is only one way to remember who we are - external aggression. No matter how wild it may sound. For only in the face of the Big Trouble the Slavs united, the rest of the time they beat each other to death. I repeat for the umpteenth time: understand and realize who you are, who you are with, and make your own decision. For until I see Ukraine’s desire for unification, I will be against any help.
          2. Misantrop
            Misantrop 12 November 2013 15: 39
            +3
            Quote: andranick
            And where were the "brothers" when we, here in Russia, were sucking up to the highest degree?

            When the Chechen "merry-go-round" flared up, and Ukraine began to form its own army and special forces (by luring anyone there), the leadership of the Russian special services was in a state of slight shock. As it suddenly turned out that more than half of the current officers of Russian special forces are either from Ukraine themselves, or have close relatives there. We were waiting for a MASS exodus, only UNITS left (the most bastards, mostly). The rest stayed and continued serving in the RF Armed Forces.
            1. Cat
              Cat 12 November 2013 16: 18
              +2
              Quote: Misantrop
              They were waiting for the MASS outcome, only ONE left (the most bastards, basically). The rest remained and continued to serve in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation.

              What is most interesting is that those who were engaged in "enticement" are to blame for this result. In the sense that the main emphasis was placed on the "national idea" - dezhavna mova by order, the glorification of the OUN-UPA and other evil spirits, obscure, but ideologically correct "victories" such as the Battle of Kruty, etc. etc. No, well, for any staff inmates, it can be attractive ... but only the real specialists of political affairs in the SA were full on their ears, and here you have the same eggs, side view, raised to the nth degree. While a bolt was successfully scored for combat training - "nema pennies", "nema palniy", "patronizing nema" ... What in such an army should the specialists do, who, for the most part, are frostbitten soldiers? That's it.
              1. Misantrop
                Misantrop 12 November 2013 22: 54
                +2
                Quote: Cat
                the main emphasis was placed on the "national idea" - dezhavna mova by order, the glorification of the OUN-UPA and other evil spirits, obscure, but ideologically correct "victories" such as the Battle of Kruty, etc. etc. No, well, for any staff inmates, it can be attractive ...
                All this nonsense began a little later, and then beckoned with a good ration, a large salary and a jump of 2-3 steps in the position and rank. And those who came to Ukraine as a military pensioner were blatant to take the Ukrainian oath, promising for this 13% of their pension (and to me, including). Interestingly, there were also units of retargeted pensioners. But it was easier for me. He said that he didn’t want to change the WM and that I would not serve before the submarine nuclear-powered ship appeared in Crimea. Got off laughing
                Interestingly, the military officer of the reserve officer I did not receive, they always had no forms. Well, now it’s for me by age, unnecessarily lol
        2. Mace
          Mace 12 November 2013 16: 42
          +2
          Ivan, applause to you. I completely agree. But without a guerrilla war, Ukraine would be difficult to free. You must finally show your will! To begin to influence power, it is not the bastard who should keep the upper hand, as this is happening now, but normal people.
          1. Ivan_Ivanov
            Ivan_Ivanov 12 November 2013 19: 11
            +2
            Thank you so much for your kind words.
            We will do (and do) everything, everything in our power.
            It would be very helpful if the organization and the united leadership from the Center would help. As well as supply. See below how much supply and support local modern Judas / Hauptmanns from the Washington Regional Committee receive. Our strength and capabilities are negligible. But we will put them for business.
  45. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 12 November 2013 11: 35
    0
    It is strange that so far they do not demand to pay and repent. It would be time already, occupation, famine, all that. Petlyura and Bandera were killed.
    1. KEKS44
      KEKS44 12 November 2013 11: 44
      +2
      Wait, we’ll come to this, which by the way I’m not going to strangle much.
  46. negeroi
    negeroi 12 November 2013 11: 39
    +5
    I don’t have any Slav brothers, except Belarusians. I’m a Tatar brother and a Kalmyk. And Ukraine, with all the sympathy, is good bye, a cut chunk. And all love is only prepaid. And you don’t need pathetics, brothers or mistresses, everything is in the garden. Russia has only two friends - its army and navy. With all the rest, market relations. There is a relationship, then it’s agreed. There is no relationship, then it’s not bargained. And all the songs about friendship are love, it’s in kindergarten, there people still believe in fairy tales. No between the countries of friendship and love are political speculations. Yes, there are special relations, but we all abused them, so don’t worry about sad things. Is Ukraine a free country? Free, how can Russia not let it go somewhere? What kind of nonsense? We have been in a divorce, only it’s not possible to disperse in human terms we beat and beat the dishes. But all this is speculation. We are not the masters of Ukraine, we can’t stop Ukraine from going wherever it wants. But the Ukrainians see it here as well. if they are pushing hard. And even so. Do we have reasons to act otherwise?
    1. bistrov.
      bistrov. 12 November 2013 12: 34
      -1
      Quote: negeroi
      I don’t have any Slav brothers, except Belarusians

      Say nonsense! Forget that the "Ukrainians" are the same half-brothers of the Russians, though now they have fallen under the propaganda, nationalist press. You can not refuse them. And Russia has all the means, opportunities and factors to return Ukraine to a single bosom of fraternal Russian peoples. Then, you forget about at least 8 million ethnic Russians living in Ukraine, groaning under nationalist pressure, who are trying to forcibly Ukrainize. Of course, we are strenuously resisting this, but how can we fight alone in conditions of information isolation with the propaganda machine of Western Europe and America ? What, then, will you give up your compatriots? After all, we once came here on a referral basis, most of us are highly qualified specialists, although our roots are already here: -families, children. It is not so easy to give up all this and go somewhere in your declining years to be a stepson in your native country. The abandonment of its consanguineous citizens does not honor Russia. For example, the United States does not hesitate to send a warship, or even an aircraft carrier group, to protect its citizens. Does Russia get everything in parallel? Not only did you screw up the collapse of the USSR, but also abandoned your compatriots, whom you yourself forced to go to all sorts of "tmutarakan", to the whim of fate?
      1. edge
        edge 12 November 2013 16: 05
        0
        Quote: bistrov.
        living in Ukraine, groaning under the nationalist press

        ...................................? sufferers.
    2. Misantrop
      Misantrop 12 November 2013 16: 02
      +3
      Quote: negeroi
      I don’t have any Slav brothers, except Belarusians.
      I remember that at the time of the collapse, Ukraine was far from the nationalism that unfolded in Belarus under Grib, Shushkevich and the rest of that bunch. The Belarusians were lucky, they "got sick in an acute form," and then Lukashenka came. And the country under his leadership swung in the other direction. And you seem to have no brothers at all, only sponsors. Whoever praises is also a relative ... lol
  47. 222222
    222222 12 November 2013 12: 08
    +1
    Enough to "fight" with Ukraine and its people. "
    .... or how many are from the lordly shoulder of the EU ,,,
    "complete information on budget support for programs implemented in five eligible partner countries:

    Armenia
    · EU support for justice reform (2009-12); EU funding amount: EUR 18 million
    · EU support for vocational education and training (2010-15); EU funding amount: EUR 21 million

    Azerbaijan
    · EU support for the energy reform program (2008-12); EU funding amount: 14 million euros
    · EU support for justice reform (2009-14); EU funding amount: EUR 16 million

    Georgia
    · EU support for public finance management reform (2011-14); EU funding amount: 11 million euros
    · EU support for criminal justice reform (2012–16); EU funding amount: EUR 24 million
    · EU support for regional development (2011-16); EU funding amount: EUR 19 million

    Молдова
    · Support for EU health sector reform (2009–13); EU funding amount: 53 million euros
    · EU support for rural economic incentives (2010-16); EU funding amount: 59 million euros
    · EU support for energy sector reform (2011-14); EU funding amount: 43 million euros

    Ukraine
    · EU support for the implementation of the energy policy of Ukraine (2008-12); EU funding amount: EUR 87 million
    · EU support to promote mutual trade by removing technical barriers to trade between Ukraine and the EU (2009-13); EU funding amount: EUR 45 million

    On 28-29 November 2013, Vilnius will host the third Eastern Partnership Summit, which will be attended by the highest representatives of EU institutions, 28 EU member states and six Eastern European partner states. (European Neighborhood Info Center) "
    http://www.enpi-info.eu/maineast.php?id=35042&id_type=1&lang_id=471
    1. KEKS44
      KEKS44 12 November 2013 12: 19
      0
      Quote: 222222
      Ukraine
      · EU support for the implementation of the energy policy of Ukraine (2008-12); EU funding amount: EUR 87 million
      · EU support to promote mutual trade by removing technical barriers to trade between Ukraine and the EU (2009-13); EU funding amount: EUR 45 million

      And now, if not difficult, give an example of Ukraine’s bonuses for the EU (and their consequences for Ukraine naturally) in numbers. In general, for God's sake and good riddance.
      1. 222222
        222222 12 November 2013 12: 46
        +1
        KEKS44 (1) RU Today, 12:19 ↑
        There is a saying "For a penny a canary and that a nightingale sang."
        you misunderstood the essence of tsifiri ..
        Look at the name of the points and it can be seen that the EU is solving its economic problems .. For Ukraine, nothing will solve its problems.
        Without Russia, there will be no Ukraine .. so the share of Ukraine will be between the European Union and Asia .. Without Russia, it will remain a "gasket" (although according to one of the options the geographic center of Europe is located on the territory of Ukraine), taking this "honorable" role from Poland who has carried this mission for centuries ..
    2. kotvov
      kotvov 12 November 2013 13: 00
      0
      so you make your choice, there are two lemons. here and figured out where it is more profitable. what then is needed from Russia?
  48. general
    general 12 November 2013 12: 20
    -12 qualifying.
    Discussions on Ukrainian topics on VO are farther and deeper away from discussing the real situation, the editorial board scribbles articles on behalf of the "Ukrainians", and the grateful VO audience enthusiastically pounces on "two-faced neighbors", "Banderlog", "Svidomites" left and right hanging labels and showing all the stupidity and narrow-mindedness of the "little brother".
    It used to be funny, now it's just disgusting.
    1. edge
      edge 12 November 2013 16: 08
      -1
      Quote: chung
      Discussions on Ukrainian topics on VO are farther and deeper away from discussing the real situation, the editorial board scribbles articles on behalf of the "Ukrainians", and the grateful VO audience enthusiastically pounces on "two-faced neighbors", "Banderlog", "Svidomites" left and right hanging shortcuts and showing all the stupidity and narrow-mindedness of the "little brother." It used to be funny, now it's just disgusting.

      so pull joke
  49. negeroi
    negeroi 12 November 2013 12: 30
    +3
    Uti-ways, stop fighting. And Ukraine threw us once again. Yesterday Azarov announced the cessation of purchases of Russian gas. BUT! Before that, we pumped three billion cubic meters without prepayment. Azarov said that he had fully settled, there would be no more purchase. And where is the money ? They threw us again in a banal way. They just stupidly stolen. In the pure form, fraud. Brothers hang noodles on our ears and laugh at us poking around our pockets. And then they wring their hands pathetically and write about our great love, which we don’t appreciate ........ I do not want to swear, banned.
    1. bistrov.
      bistrov. 12 November 2013 12: 50
      +2
      Again, you speak from the standpoint of an ordinary man in the street. Where was Russia? Why did you give gas without prepayment? Or did the "Russian bear" lack considerations? If Ukraine does not want to pay for gas, Russia has dozens of ways to make it do it.
      1. negeroi
        negeroi 12 November 2013 13: 19
        +3
        And you say ordinary nonsense. Wherever you were, and I am a layman at the same time. Whether you are a layman or not, this will not change the fact that Ukraine is bankrupt, and before the US and the IMF buy up debts, I decided to finally throw Russia. Fraud and theft. And even if the average person doesn’t jump over this fact, not get rid of it. And since Ukraine is a fraudulent state ... with all that it implies.

        Russian bear, what exactly did you want to say? I agree. And Ukraine is a thief.
        1. Misantrop
          Misantrop 12 November 2013 16: 08
          +1
          Quote: negeroi
          And whether a layman or not, this does not change the fact that Ukraine is bankrupt, and before the US and the IMF buy up debts, she finally decided to abandon Russia. Fraud and theft. And even if a layman, I don’t jump over this fact, do not get rid of it. And since Ukraine fraudulent state ... with all that it implies.
          Tellingly, not Yanukovych, not Azarov, not Tymoshenko (who entered into a contract with slaughter rates for PERSONAL benefit). It is ALL Ukraine, any of its citizens. Even the one who has no gas at home. You are not a "man in the street", this word is called differently (only the forum engine does not let it through) request
      2. KEKS44
        KEKS44 12 November 2013 13: 30
        +1
        bistrovIf Ukraine does not want to pay for gas
        Where do you get from the submarine, pay off the interest laughing
        For every tricky .ope you know what you’ll find lol
        By the way, everyone who has at least some intelligence knows that it is better not to disturb the "bear", and especially the Russian one - it will be more expensive!
    2. zmey_gadukin
      zmey_gadukin 12 November 2013 18: 29
      -1
      Quote: negeroi
      .And Ukraine again threw us. Yesterday, Azarov announced the cessation of purchases of Russian gas. BUT! Before that, we pumped three billion cubic meters without prepayment. Azarov said that he had fully settled, he wouldn’t buy anymore. And where is the money? They threw us banal again. Just stupidly stolen.

      Before spitting such info, familiarize the venerable public with the source, otherwise you are just a balabol.
  50. understudy
    understudy 12 November 2013 12: 44
    +2
    Quote: negeroi
    They threw us trite again.

    We ought to figure out who "us" and who threw? Or does someone else continue to believe in the phrase "Gazprom is the national heritage"?
    Whatever happens, the Ukrainians are our brothers. Let the younger ones, albeit unreasonable, but relatives. In contrast to the contingent crawling to Russia from Central Asia and Transcaucasia, and which will never become "ours."
    And there are plenty of moral monsters everywhere. Unfortunately, the authorities are not devoid of this "dignity".
    1. negeroi
      negeroi 12 November 2013 13: 12
      0
      Yes, I agree. Brothers, where to get from them. But I am against pan-Slavism. It is too expensive for us. But if you follow your logic, then Gazprom is my wife, by the degree of kinship. Believe it or not, in the public domain, and taxes he pays, and began to be our dear. Azarov and Yushchenko threw us, and all Ukraine and Ukrainians have to pay the reputation. Because of the moral freaks of the Caucasus, you dislike all Caucasians, but urge you to love the Ukrainians, they say dearer. And scammers everywhere.