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Two Stalin

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The other day I was asked to make an introduction to the topic before the TV show "Son of the Father of Nations". Answering the questions of Channel One, I noticed that in the Stalin era, not only the father was responsible for his son, but his son was responsible for the father. And it was right, because if the father was, say, a corrupt official, the son could not help but understand where his father got such “big money”. Moreover, if the son used this money and was silent, then such a son was an accomplice of his father's crimes and also had to answer before the law!


Two Stalin


Friend's story


These thoughts brought me memories of the twice Hero of the Soviet Union, pilot Vitaly Ivanovich Popkov, who had a monument erected on one of the central squares of Moscow during his lifetime.

“A friend of my childhood,” Vitaly Ivanovich told me, “was Stalin’s son Vasya. We made friends thanks to Joseph Vissarionovich ... I had a brother Boris. Parents who worked on the Black Sea gosdachs told us that when Stalin arrives, we would not get in his eyes and not interfere with rest. And now Stalin arrived ... A guard walked in front and showed outsiders to leave. We also moved away, but as soon as Stalin approached, they rushed towards him: "Hello, Uncle Stalin!" Stalin greeted him with surprise and said: "Who are you?" We blurted out everything in one fell swoop. And we stand. We are waiting for what will happen next. And suddenly Stalin asked his brother: "Do you know who this is Chamberlain?" My brother, even though younger than me, did not hesitate and said: "But what about ... Chamberlain threatens to war his habit. Soon we will send him to hell for kulichki!"

- Ltd! - Stalin was amazed, - look, what competent ... Chocolate you want?

- We want.

- Then help yourself! - Stalin took from the assistant two bars of chocolate and, smiling, gave us. - Well ... Come for a visit - let's talk more about politics.

- How come? - we ask. A frightened guard stands behind and threatens with a fist, they say, so that your spirit does not exist. Angry like that. We see: bad thing. Will tell parents. There will be such a thrashing that they can put a castle under one lock. Suddenly, the brother says: “And that uncle over there ... (Stalin looked at the guard - he immediately broke into a smile.) Now he is smiling. And when you don’t look at him, he waves at us with his fist ...” Stalin looked again on the guard, and he understood this as an indication not to touch us. Later, we realized: apparently, Stalin hoped that my brother and I could become good friends for his son, and thus the issue of Vasya’s arrival, who didn’t want to leave for the holidays from Moscow, where he was left to himself, was resolved. Now he will not say that in Sochi he has no one to spend time with ...

Vasya was always seriously preparing for meetings with his father. He wrote cheat sheets with formulas in physics and mathematics, and not just anywhere, but on his knees, elbows, and in general on such places where he could spy inconspicuously, if Stalin suddenly began to test his knowledge. Vasya has repeatedly told me that he is very afraid of these paternal exams.

During the war, I served Vasya in the 32 and the Komskek guards regiment. There happened that ill-fated "fishing", about which to this day a lot of rumors. Now I confess that I was the organizer of that “fishing”. I agreed with the engineer of the regiment to equip any explosive device, which can be lowered into the lake, blow up and thereby silence the fish. I also asked: “What will we jam in - with a tolom or a grenade?” And he answered: “What a grenade ?! "Eres" - missile - omit. It has almost a hundred pounds of explosives. It explodes - the fish will be ... a wagon !!! ”Well, they rushed ... Of the nine“ anglers, ”six were injured, the engineer was killed. I did not get hooked, but Vasya didn’t take off his heel. The pain was such that he groaned incessantly. Frightened - after all, the incident concerned Stalin himself. I called the commander of our air army, M. Gromov: “Here, on a fishing accident, something happened. There are wounded. In particular, Stalin ... Vasily. " Gromov, perhaps, didn’t lose consciousness: “Who organized this fishing? !!” Ask who, few will dare to confess ... Well, and ... I also say, they say - He ... Because I understand that the commander will not be able to ask as from me. Gromov says: "I take off ..." Flies in on his Douglas. Enters the hospital. There Vasya lies groans. Gromov there and then on his plane to Moscow. Experienced - be healthy! I thought that his hat would fly off. Nothing. It cost.

A commission arrived from the Commander-in-Chief and from the Central Committee. They freed Vasya from his commanding office - they said they were completely decomposed, drunk, etc. (Here I could not stand it and ask Popkov: "And what, did you really drink much?" To which he replied: "Not e. Not much. Well ... as usual. Well, what was supposed to be ... in combat work - on 100 grams ... ")

Svetlana wrote in her letters that brother, i.e. Vasya, drank a lot. And I would not say that. She exaggerates everything. You know, Vasya drank like almost all pilots. And I told this directly to Svetlana, when, after her return from abroad, I read these her “Letters to a friend”. I also told her: “You write that he had no friends, but sycophants ... What kind of sycophants ?! Say, Vsevolod Bobrov is a hockey player and a world-famous football player. Did he have to - fawn? Not! Or People's Artist Nikolai Kryuchkov ... They flew with Vasya to rest together in Sochi, in Bocharov Ruchey. Kryuchkovu fame and influence, and without Vasya enough. If you have no real friends, then do not consider that Vasya didn’t have them either ... ”

Vasya has not been here for so many years, but I still go to his grave! And after all, I'm in my ninth decade ... I do not forget my commander and childhood friend. Recently, on November 21 2002, his remains were secretly brought from Kazan and reburied at Troyekurovskoye Cemetery.

Evidence of time

“How many people have suppressed, creepy! I even quarreled with Khrushchev. (Khrushchev was the chairman of the Commission on the organization of the funeral of IV Stalin, and it is he who is responsible for these victims. - Author.) There was a terrible case in the House of Unions. Comes old woman with a stick. At the tomb in the honor guard are Malenkov, Beria, Molotov, Bulganin. And suddenly the old woman said to them: “They killed you, bastards, rejoice! Damn you! ”

(From the decoding of the conversation of V. Stalin with the driver.)

“To the question“ What was I sitting for? ”V. Stalin answered:“ For my language. At all, he reminded Beria that he was a rapist, and Bulganin was a big womanizer: he presented an apartment with expensive furniture to Moscow to her mistress ... Father was ditched and now they are being bullied, and my father's feet are still warm. ”

(From the memories of friends.)

In the March days of 1953, when Stalin was already dying, one of the doctors showed Vasily blood tests, from which it followed that poison was found in Stalin's body! And for all of them, Vasily began shouting that his father had been poisoned ... At first, the top management (especially Beria, Malenkov and Khrushchev) tried to explain this by saying that Vasily was again drunk and carrying nonsense. However, when, after the funeral, Vasily began to say that he would meet with foreign correspondents and show them his evidence of the murder of his father, the new top decided to put him in jail. So Stalin’s son turned out to be an “enemy of the people” spreading anti-Soviet fabrications. He was arrested. 28 April 1953, two months after the death of the father, began a long prison imprisonment, and then ... a reference to Kazan, ending with the death of Vasily. This is the most common version.

Vasily himself, renamed after being imprisoned in Vasily Dzhugashvili, described the incident differently. What I am writing here, Vasily told his last wife, his wife - to his daughters, and his daughter - to me.

So, they took him into custody much earlier than the official search paper and subsequent arrest were issued. This happened in the hospital, where he got from the funeral of his father. Having lost consciousness during the funeral procession, Vasily fell down, broke two ribs and found himself in a hospital bed ... And he was put behind bars!

The search at the place of residence was indeed carried out on April 28. However, the document was signed on April 29, and could generally be dated May, since the order read: “May ... of the day of 1953” without indicating the number, i.e. number, as they say, put it down yourself! They planted, but (!) The trial was not. All cases are drawn up ... as if in between times. So Vasily Iosifovich became the "enemy of the people." So he died ...

For more than a third of a century, the last wife fought for his rehabilitation. But what the wife failed to do was made by friends. At the end of 1999, Vasiliy Dzhugashvili (Stalin), who was the “enemy of the people” all this time, was again recognized as a normal Soviet citizen. Rehabilitation facilitated the transfer of his ashes from Kazan to Moscow. This I know, as they say, firsthand. Rehabilitation and reburial became possible with the knowledge of the highest authorities (in particular, thanks to Sergey Ivanov, then Minister of Defense, now head of the presidential administration).

Reburial was achieved by the adoptive daughters of Vasily - the children of his last wife Maria Ignatievna Sheverginoy (according to her previous husband, Nuzberg), who took the last marriage name of Dzhugashvili ... Daughters reburied Vasily Iosifovich next to his mother, who all her life sought this reburial and did not live to him year. According to the cemetery servants, daughters are modest people. Kinship with Stalin do not boast. Grave stepfather visit systematically. Therefore, the grave is always in colors.

However, they call Vasily Iosifovich affectionately - “father”. And they are represented by patronymic as his direct children: Tatyana Vasilyevna and Lyudmila Vasilyevna. I was convinced of this by meeting with them at the new grave on the day that Popkov arrived with “carnations” to “visit” a friend ...
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  1. Kolya
    Kolya 11 November 2013 07: 43
    -41 qualifying.
    Anyone who uses explosives to fish in their native land - for me they are all criminals, regardless of ranks and political convictions.
    1. domokl
      domokl 11 November 2013 08: 03
      32
      Quote: Kohl
      Anyone who uses explosives to catch fish in their native land - for me they are all criminals

      And those who destroyed our cities, killed women and the elderly? Have you ever seen documentary footage of crossing the river? There were so many shells laid in the river that not only fish, algae died.
      With your logic, it’s good to exist in peacetime .. Or wherever the war is shown on TV. And if you take that particular fishing-Stalin, by the way, I wanted to increase the power of my own soldiers and officers. I didn’t kill my belly (he wasn’t starving anyway) , namely their subordinates ...
      1. Canep
        Canep 11 November 2013 08: 20
        13
        The fish must be jammed with a 200..400 gram checker, if 2 kg is blown up, the shock wave interrupts the fish intestines and it spoils very quickly, after 12 hours it is already rotting. Verified experimentally. 100 kg is likely to turn the lake (river) into a soup of fish scraps. We did not think of such a foolishness (5 boxes!).
        1. APES
          APES 11 November 2013 14: 20
          +8
          Quote: Canep
          The fish must be jammed with 200..400 with a gram checker, if 2 kg is blown up then


          One feels the specialist - it’s not without reason that Minesweeper laughing
        2. domokl
          domokl 11 November 2013 20: 42
          +1
          Quote: Canep
          Fish should be jammed with 200..400 with a gram checker,

          laughing Why so many problems? Just throw an anti-personnel grenade, such as RGN and business then ...
      2. Kolya
        Kolya 11 November 2013 10: 23
        -9
        Direct military action is a different matter. As for women and old people, I agree with you, it was necessary to strain all resources to defeat the enemy, but in this case, you, Domokles, are speculating. My logic of life in peacetime exists thanks to my grandfathers (one died near Kiev in 41 and the other returned disabled), so I have the right! From Minesweeper's personal experience (see the comment above), fishing with 100kg of explosives is sabotage, and if they destroyed that "wagon of fish" in "soup" then they had to be given away. The air units supplied food relatively better than other military units. Strengthen nutrition, desire is good, but for this you need brains. The idea was Vasily, the result - a man (engineer) died. PS Without bias regarding the name of Stalin.
        1. andrejwz
          andrejwz 11 November 2013 13: 32
          +4
          Quote: Kohl
          My logic of life in peace exists thanks to my grandfathers (one died near Kiev at 41m and the second returned disabled), so I have the right!

          Yes. Both grandfathers are heroes. But their military merits do not give you the right to judge, row and pardon from a distance of time and space. Merits of grandfathers need to be proud, and not to boast.
          1. Kolya
            Kolya 12 November 2013 00: 16
            0
            You pulled out a phrase from the discussion and twisted the meaning of what it was told by me for. She was opposed to the usurpation of voting rights by domocles. We all now live in relatively peaceful times, and the domocles speculated that it had almost crossed the Dnieper just.
        2. domokl
          domokl 11 November 2013 14: 06
          +8
          Quote: Kohl
          but in this case, you, domocle, speculate

          Are you really proud of your grandfathers who served the Motherland faithfully? I also had grandfathers who served the same way. And I also died near Prokhorovka. Only merit and my ancestors also do not give us the right to judge the commander in a combat setting who was looking for ways to improve the nutrition of soldiers.
          As for the locals, I’ll answer even easier. The Russians never, for the sake of their own skins, spared not only property but also their own lives ... What do you think that Zoya Kosmodemyanskaya only set fire to houses with the Nazis? So, for information. burned during enemy raids. In 41, there was an order of the GKO on the creation of a dead zone in the frontline part of Moscow Region. The Germans should not have been comfortable in this place.
          It’s cruel? Yes, it’s cruel. And to lose many millions of civilians just because someone, somewhere, regretted something not cruel? The war was therefore for our people and Patriotic because we fought not for our own skin, not for our belly full of food, but for the Motherland ... For the mother, father, children ... For the dawn over the river which has grown, for all that was ours .. Not only it was, but it will be.
          I will allow myself to recall a report from the Abkhaz border in 08 ... There were no battles, there was not much blood. But there was a sergeant, a tank commander. A simple conscript. So here he was telling the combat mission in the usual way, in case the shooting started. .. I don’t literally remember, but it was like this — I board a tank, leave the crew on our shore, leave for the middle of the bridge and put the mashunu there under the fire of the Georgians. Of course they’ll fit, but I won’t let them cross ...
          Probably this sergeant didn’t even understand that he was a hero. Yes, lucky. There was no shooting, but there was a willingness to sacrifice himself. Ordinarily, without pathos, without beautiful words and gestures ... Just do your job. And the commander took care of his subordinates. I knew that he would live exactly as long as the nearest grenade launcher would aim. And he did not want unnecessary deaths ..
          So you’re Kolya, though Kolya, but Russian only by name .. Not in spirit ...
          1. vjhbc
            vjhbc 11 November 2013 20: 33
            +1
            Well, bl-I give, and now when the soldiers are starving, what about the officers to take the voluminously detonating bomb and grab the walrus, for example, on the walrus rookery, soldiers
            Quote: domokl
            Only the merits of both our ancestors and ours, too, do not in any way give us the right, or rather, to judge the commander in a combat situation who was looking for ways to improve the nutrition of soldiers.
          2. Kolya
            Kolya 12 November 2013 07: 02
            -1
            And why does the staff officer-hack-hacker domocles (it became clear from your posts once they worked with secret documents) hides behind the feat of a simple conscript tanker? Why speculate with scorched earth tactics while covering up sabotage can be foolish? Why cover up your barbaric attitude towards your native land by listing the heroic pages of the history of Russia? And all because you do not have your own arguments, you are a staff officer-propagandist! Propaganda is also needed, but it should start with "A river, a field, and a forest, In a field - every spikelet ... I love everyone in the world - This is my Motherland!" Do you know from which verse of the film, and you know what wave of patriotism that film raised among the younger generation. And your patriotism is callous patriotism, not sincere! The Pepsikol generation is not patriotic, not because it was born that way, but because you and I are so stupid teachers. They look at how you cover up evil with circumstances and then do not believe in anything good.
            You do not really love your native land.
        3. Vyalik
          Vyalik 11 November 2013 15: 18
          +7
          Quote: Kohl
          Air units supplied food relatively better comparing with other military units.

          Please do not confuse the nutrition of pilots and the rest of the personnel of the air units. These are, as they say in Odessa, two big differences. And a good commander should take care of the nutrition of his entire part. During urgent service, our commander, Colonel S. Zharikov. a hunting lover when he killed a boar or a bird always gave prey to food of personnel. About him so far we only have good memories, he did not buy our location, the requirements that were imposed on us were the hooh, but the attitude towards him was like a father to the commander. If he punished it for the cause, and neither who nor when complained about it.
        4. morpex
          morpex 11 November 2013 21: 42
          +1
          Quote: Kohl
          Anyone who uses explosives to fish in their native land - for me they are all criminals, regardless of ranks and political convictions.

          Quote: Kohl
          Direct military action is another matter.

          You’re right, Kolya. Wrong, this Normal person won’t do this. Unless the major is unfinished. In our pond, cops with local minders killed all the fish with electric rods and sabers on 10 for years to come. Thanks to the logic of those who put you minuses say? Nothing can justify such a disgrace. Now the local guys have to go for money to rent ..
          And where does the service to the motherland and the war?
      3. Mikhail3
        Mikhail3 11 November 2013 11: 05
        -5
        Didn't he look at the formula from his knee? As I understand it, all the participants in the "fishing" - officers with the highest military? And that, in anyone's head nothing stirred? And even the "engineer" was there! Whose children participated in this "fishing" is not important. One thing is important, they all had an indisputable unifying feature - they were hopeless, unteachable fools. Even military experience did not help them!
        It is difficult to understand what kind of person was Vasily. Judging by the different memories, you can draw pictures. Judging by action. Here is Artem - the adopted son of Stalin. He fought and commanded so that only his head can be bowed before a Russian warrior.
        Well, what conclusion can be drawn from Vasily's actions on "fishing"? Yes, unambiguous. This man was unsuitable for taking command posts. He could neither select subordinates, nor manage them. Rest, not rest, the leader is always in the know, or he is not a commander but a stump with eyes. First of all, what happened there is a blatant, shameful incompetence! With the obvious connivance of a frankly bad commander.
        1. Skiff-2
          Skiff-2 11 November 2013 14: 03
          10
          Quote: Mikhail3
          As I understand it, are all the participants in the "fishing" - officers with the highest military?

          Higher military education is given by the academy, in the USSR all military schools gave secondary education, but Vasily was a real pilot, commander and friend, and shot down much more planes than officially recognized ones (2) because he wrote down all those shot down in the group to his comrades. For several months of winter 41-42, he prepared pilots from the children of the elite, "took them out" as an instructor in a two-wheel drive, made a group of aces out of them, and departed for the Stalingrad front. The youngest son of Beria was then 16 years old and he died in the sky of Stalingrad having shot down two German planes in the last battle ... They were just boys, no older than 20 - 22 years old, they broke the back of the German beast and wore their awards by right ... and it’s not for you to judge these people, Kolya Kanadskiy and other liberals, you don’t stand a candle to them !!!
          1. Mikhail3
            Mikhail3 11 November 2013 14: 36
            -5
            That he himself was a good pilot (albeit two planes) - I can believe. What I have prepared the fighters - I cannot! Facts vs. This "round dance of boobies on a fishing trip" - these are children who have grasped the crackers. The head and inspirer is ... the commander!
            Yes, there are people who "play naughty". Remember, Chkalov flew under the bridge? It's fun too ... Do you feel the difference? A top-notch professional disregarded the charter, yes. But. I only risked myself. He went beyond the boundaries of the norms, but not beyond the boundaries of his skill, "played around", yes ... with the help of precise calculations, great instinct and the highest piloting skills, he learned. Rebuke. And deepest respect.
            And here? Stupidity, lack of education, lack of skills of a military professional and the ability to manage both people and themselves. I do not deny Vasily personal courage. But this man could not be a commander! He had not the slightest right to command anyone with such personal qualities! Indeed, the guy was not lucky with his father. So no one would trust him more than an airplane, you see people would die less ...
            But it was under Stalin that they did not trust them and their careers were cut off, trying not to bring them to evil-grief. Then it became the norm to appoint "Vasilievs" by relatives to high posts. And you couldn't trust them to command the calf! Well, they did it in the end. We fought, relatives ...
            1. Skiff-2
              Skiff-2 11 November 2013 19: 02
              +6
              Quote: Mikhail3
              That I myself was a good pilot (albeit two aircraft) - I can believe it. What prepared the fighters - I can’t! The facts are against.

              Yes. You, banging couch, what facts are you talking about? Have you seen the movie in "Only Old Men Go to Battle"? So this is about the "Vaska" division and the Maestro in it, although a collective image, but 50% from Vasily, and the other 50% from another hero not only of the Great Patriotic War, but also of the Korean War (if I am not mistaken Pepelyaev), and in It was Vasily who trained the first group of pilots in Korea, and their mission turned out to be the most productive, and the losses were minimal, several pilots became Heroes of the Soviet Union. It was they who knocked down the arrogance of the Americans and they realized that they were not ready to fight with us. Read the book "Against Messers and Sabers", it says about Vasily Iosifovich Stalin, the author under his command served in the Second World War, and then in the Moscow military district. Do something in this life yourself and prove that you have the right to judge the heroes! But your case seems hopeless to me ... Russian heroes have kept the bright memory of their friend and comrade in arms despite the persecution of the official authorities and it is not for you pygmies to question the correctness of their words!
              1. morpex
                morpex 11 November 2013 21: 52
                +1
                Quote: Skif-2
                The maestro in him, although a collective image, is written on 50% from Vasily, and the other 50% from another hero of not only the Great Patriotic War, but also the Korean War (if I’m not mistaken Pepelyaev),

                Not quite so. During the work, Bykov consulted with a large number of veterans, as a result of which many characters received real prototypes. For example, several people at once became the prototype of the squadron commander of the Guard Captain Titarenko: twice Hero of the Soviet Union Vitaly Popkov, Hero of the Soviet Union Ivan Laveykin, and the surname and "call sign" "Maestro" were taken by Bykov after he learned about Dmitry Titorenko - the slave three times Hero of the Soviet Union Ivan Kozhedub, episodes from his biography were included in the film. Vano also appeared in the script - in memory of Kozhedub's front-line friend, the brave Georgian pilot Vano Gabunia, who died in the ramming of a German fighter.
          2. erg
            erg 11 November 2013 16: 11
            +1
            Military schools in the USSR gave higher education. Many were called for example, the Blagoveshchensk Higher Tank Command School. (Higher began to be called since 1965). Academies trained senior and senior command staff. Simply put, they were the forges of generals. And many technical ones, for example aviation ones, are also scientists in the corresponding field.
            1. neri73-r
              neri73-r 11 November 2013 16: 47
              +3
              They gave higher military education, but not civilian !!! Do not confuse, these are two different things.
            2. Skiff-2
              Skiff-2 11 November 2013 19: 32
              +2
              Quote: erg
              Military schools in the USSR gave higher education. Many were called

              Until the mid-60s, military schools were secondary schools, they were called -SVKURE Air Defense, for example, after they introduced general education subjects of higher education in the curriculum and began to be called Higher Military Schools, but at the same time military education remained secondary, the Academy gave higher education.
          3. vjhbc
            vjhbc 11 November 2013 20: 38
            +1
            that is, if the war the soldiers and officers need to be taped off, they say that the war will write everything off, you can behave like an irresponsible bullshit, and for those with a secondary or lower education, God himself ordered the fish to rocket the wolves there, the deer of the bears in a helicopter with a machine gun hunt like yes, but who already has a higher education, it’s neither well, it’s brothers discrimination on the basis of education
            Quote: Skif-2
            They were just boys, not older than 20-22 years old, it was they who broke the backbone of the German beast and wore their awards rightfully ... and it’s not for you Kolya Canadian and other liberals to judge these people, you are not worth their marks !!!
        2. Alekseev
          Alekseev 14 November 2013 11: 59
          0
          Quote: Mikhail3
          As I understand it, are all the participants in the "fishing" - officers with the highest military?

          All participants in the fishing were young men, leading a mortal battle for their Fatherland. They didn’t have a higher military education (In those years, military and civilian higher education were rare), they simply had normal life experiences, and even that wasn’t! dope in the head played in his youth, that's all.
    2. nikcris
      nikcris 11 November 2013 10: 18
      +8
      Yeah. Stalin and his friends had to go fishing for a week with spinning rods — to get the most out of it. Caught fish, of course, let go.
      laughing
      1. Kolya
        Kolya 11 November 2013 10: 42
        -13 qualifying.
        and the fact that local residents were starving because they tried to provide the front in the first place, and that after fishing the guards aviators, the lake remained barren for 5-7 years (after all, they didn’t stock up), did you think about ordinary residents ?! I can not judge on the whole about the personality of Vasily Stalin, but that case was sabotage. You can’t destroy your native land with your own hands justifying the circumstances.
        1. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 11 November 2013 13: 12
          10
          Quote: Kohl
          You can’t destroy your native land with your own hands justifying the circumstances.

          Sir, are you from the Greenpeace? If - Yes, then it is clear. And if not, then you are a pacifist, which is worse than greenpeace for our Motherland. Remember our ancestors, who set fire to Moscow with their own hands, so that the French had nowhere to loot. Remember the blown up factories and factories so that the fascists would not get it. So the Russian warrior always acted in accordance with expediency and circumstances.
          Well, one can only regret fishing of the "megaton" class: there were always enough fools (I mean the engineer and Popkov) in Russia. It's just "you can't spoil the porridge with butter," but otherwise you need to know when to stop.
          1. Kolya
            Kolya 11 November 2013 22: 58
            0
            Scorched earth tactics are another matter entirely. We are talking about a specific case that occurred on our territory. I do not know of a single case that the procurement of food in this way was carried out according to official directives even in those difficult years, that is, wrecking and barbarism were detected. Do not try to smear some tyrants in the army under the sacred name of a Russian warrior.
            1. Alekseev
              Alekseev 14 November 2013 22: 07
              0
              Oh, Kolya, Kolya!
              Not e ... and, brains more! wassat
              Then someone wrote that jamming fish with RSom is good?
              It seems that you, of course, excuse me infantile without measure. request And stubborn too. yes
              Do you forget how harsh the described time was? Yes, then "people" were jammed worse than fish!
              There was a great confrontation - not for life, but for death.
              The villages were burned near Moscow (and not only) so that the Germans had nowhere to warm themselves ... (Z. Kosmodemyanskaya) But there were also residents ...
              And you are a fish ... People lived one day - alive, and thank God. They didn’t think about the environmental situation. That war will end, then we will do everything!
    3. Kushadasov
      Kushadasov 11 November 2013 14: 24
      +7
      but not about this article! Behold, dear comrade. And the fact that they banged the lake, yes, it is not "gut". But you can blame it on childishness (remember how old these guys were) in a WAR? The article is good, thanks to the author. We need more such articles. That and look can crush the liberals and haters of the past of their country.
      1. APES
        APES 11 November 2013 14: 46
        +2
        Quote: Kushadasov
        Yes, not about this article!


        Still interesting:

        Is jamming fish good or bad?

        judging by the minuses and the pluses - it turns out well.
        what
        1. smersh70
          smersh70 11 November 2013 17: 07
          +2
          Quote: APES
          Is jamming fish good or bad?

          can and should good if only there was a rib for dinner. good ... because the whole street is waiting for you from fishing ... drinks
        2. Kushadasov
          Kushadasov 11 November 2013 17: 24
          +1
          as living at this time, here and now, I can say without hesitation - this is bad, this is not right, it is even criminal against nature and the people who live around me. But that was a different time, hard times. The boys, especially those who ran under the bullets, lived one day. I understand their action, although I do not quite like it.
        3. Pilat2009
          Pilat2009 11 November 2013 19: 09
          +1
          Quote: APES
          Is jamming fish good or bad?

          Actually, this is not fishing. A real fisherman does not go for quantity.
          I think the comrades were just souring .... No wonder Poptsov himself admits that 100 grams every day ....
          1. alone
            alone 11 November 2013 19: 21
            +2
            100 grams of pure alcohol is almost 200 grams of vodka. And where there are 200, there are already 300))
            1. luka095
              luka095 11 November 2013 21: 23
              +1
              Why alcohol? Where is alcohol said?
              1. AVV
                AVV 11 November 2013 22: 18
                0
                Whiskey was not poured there !!!
        4. Kolya
          Kolya 11 November 2013 22: 13
          -1
          those comrades need to start with "What is good and what is bad" by Korney Chukovsky. Do not follow the example of the bad. They are all most likely those officers who were engaged in such sabotage under the trademark to feed their subordinates, but already in peacetime and the abundance of food.
    4. Sergey_K
      Sergey_K 11 November 2013 14: 28
      0
      I support. I especially like the comments on your posts.
    5. Black
      Black 11 November 2013 16: 23
      +5
      Eh !!! Kolya, Kolya ...
    6. polly
      polly 11 November 2013 17: 10
      +1
      So they are not in Canada jammed fish, do not worry so ... laughing
    7. starshina78
      starshina78 11 November 2013 19: 48
      +1
      Kolya ! Are you a saint Or how ?
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    10. vjhbc
      vjhbc 11 November 2013 20: 28
      +2
      Quote: Kohl
      Anyone who uses explosives to fish in their native land - for me they are all criminals, regardless of ranks and political convictions.

      I didn’t understand why all the poachers put cons to you; what if they all needed to insert and let them fly like jet planes in a joystick and let them fly like jet planes, and Vasily, including some excuse, the war doesn’t roll the war here but brains should be in Leningrad, people were dying of hunger, but they didn’t touch the seed material and some minusers need to be thought before you compare ours with the Germans, you yourself didn’t think about it and they were called equal, they say fascists killed people, then our God himself ordered the fish to be muffled
      Quote: domokl
      And those who destroyed our cities, killed women and the elderly? Have you ever seen documentary footage of crossing the river? There were so many shells laid in the river that not only fish, algae died.
  2. domokl
    domokl 11 November 2013 07: 52
    41
    A good article ... Kind. But the topic is already beginning to bother. What kind of people are we? We mix it with dirt, then put a portrait in the red corner. Vasily was a normal person who was just lucky, or rather not lucky, to be the son of the first person in the state. And no matter what he is, his destiny is always to remain a son.
    I, at one time, read a lot of materials that were closed then on the Stalin case and my opinion was and remains just that. Normal, young (and this is what caused some deeds), moderately shelaput and moderately serious person. No need to make a monster , not a hero. A man who, in a dashing year, did not hide behind his dad, but went to fight, has already said everything about himself.
    1. vlad0
      vlad0 11 November 2013 08: 12
      39
      "The man who, in a hard time, did not hide behind dad, but went to fight, has already said everything about himself."

      The normal son of his father and his country.
      In our time, I somehow faintly imagine the DAM sons or their liberal environment by the commanders of Special Forces groups in the Caucasus mountains or by pilots of turntables evacuating these groups under fire.
      Therefore, the liberals and muddy everything that is connected with Stalin, they themselves are not capable of something like that.
  3. bya965
    bya965 11 November 2013 07: 55
    22
    He wrote cheat sheets with formulas in physics and mathematics, and not just anywhere, but on his knees, elbows, and generally in places where it was possible to spy unnoticed if Stalin suddenly began to check his knowledge. Vasya has repeatedly told me that he is very afraid of these paternal exams.

    Stalin was above all technocrat, and politics was just a means. Under him, my country and my people had a future. After him, especially Gorbachev’s lawyers (I omit a drunkard without a profession), Putin, Medvedev successfully ruined the country by adopting many correct (on paper) laws. They don’t know another.
    “The closer the state is to fall, the MANY NUMBER OF ITS LAWS.” Cornelius Tacitus
    From myself: "Cooks, lawyers and economists should not rule the state."
    1. Sterkh
      Sterkh 6 May 2017 00: 05
      0
      The large number of laws is for a society in which no one trusts anyone; everything needs a certificate, an extract, an act, and other legal rubbish. Nobody trusts anyone. The human word does not cost anything ... In such a shameful time we live, we chopped it, and ... apparently deserved it. Only great grief will cleanse our karma, wash away excess husk, as in the Great Patriotic War.
  4. Alikovo
    Alikovo 11 November 2013 08: 04
    +5
    son to prison for the fact that his father is unpleasant to someone. they had a conscience.
    1. vlad0
      vlad0 11 November 2013 08: 21
      +5
      There was no conscience, there was fear.
  5. lewerlin53rus
    lewerlin53rus 11 November 2013 08: 21
    31
    Yesterday, a transmission by Solov'ya, as a mantra leader, repeated the idea that we should condemn Stalinism and Stalin and be ashamed of our past. But I am not ashamed of our past. Whatever it is, it is great. Another thing is to avoid past mistakes.
    1. 222222
      222222 11 November 2013 13: 29
      +6
      lewerlin53rus (1) SU Today, 08:21 AM
      “Yesterday Solov'ea’s broadcast, one figure, like a mantra, repeated the idea that we must condemn Stalinism and Stalin ..”
      .... From Hitler’s radiogram to the headquarters of the 6th Army: “The troops of the 6th army, surrounded in Stalingrad, will henceforth be called the troops of the fortress of Stalingrad” .....
      Comments are superfluous ...
  6. aszzz888
    aszzz888 11 November 2013 08: 26
    +9
    It was written as it was, from the heart. Nostalgia! Why not? We are all human, we are all human. Another curtain ajar in history. +
  7. vlbelugin
    vlbelugin 11 November 2013 08: 27
    19
    The children of our leaders (forties) are simply pioneers compared to today's "golden" youth. These children benefited the state. They fought. I can’t imagine that some kind of today's "son" would climb into the cockpit of a fighter.
    And today's "leaders" need to set those children as an example for their "undersized", and not raise muddy waves around the names of the children of true leaders.
  8. Lindon
    Lindon 11 November 2013 08: 35
    18
    "Truth always rises above lies, like oil above water" - Cervantes.
    The truth about Stalin and his son appears through the mountains of Khrushchev’s lies more and more.
    Over 70 years it took to shake off all this garbage from the grave of Stalin.
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 11 November 2013 21: 08
      +3
      Quote: Lindon
      Over 70 years it took to shake off all this garbage from the grave of Stalin.

      Being a wise man, he foresaw this situation.
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  11. Scandinavian
    Scandinavian 11 November 2013 10: 01
    14
    Quote: Kohl
    Anyone who uses explosives to fish in their native land - for me they are all criminals, regardless of ranks and political convictions.

    Ehhh Kolya, Kolya, you lived your years in the CIS, left for Canada permanently, but you still didn’t understand the soul of a Russian peasant .....
    1. biznaw
      biznaw 11 November 2013 15: 34
      +5
      This gosdepovsky troll has squandered into our ranks. Gets 80 killed raccoons in one post. Greedy or living in Canada is not enough.
  12. ed65b
    ed65b 11 November 2013 10: 02
    +5
    the father was killed, the son was imprisoned. all as always in those days. From fear and revenge for alleged humiliation? Land in fluff, undeservedly brought to death.
  13. Shaman 21101973
    Shaman 21101973 11 November 2013 10: 09
    18
    K. Simonov (about Stalin):
    "He was loved in different ways: selflessly and with reservations; and admiring and fearing; sometimes they did not even love him. But no one doubted his courage and iron will."
    The phrase, usually attributed to M. A. Sholokhov (about Stalin), gained fame:
    “Yes, there was a cult ... But there was a personality!”
  14. Djozz
    Djozz 11 November 2013 10: 36
    +6
    Vasily Stalin fought with dignity, on his account 3 downed planes, although if he wanted, lackeys could be attributed to a dozen more, but he was a decent person, unlike A. Mikoyan’s son S. Mikoyan (Hero of the USSR), who everywhere pours mud on Stalin and Soviet system! An apple from an apple tree does not fall far.
    1. smersh70
      smersh70 11 November 2013 12: 43
      +4
      Quote: Djozz
      son of A. Mikoyan S. Mikoyan


      it was he who could not forgive Stalin the landing of his brothers .... in 45-46 ... and his father too, then betrayed Stalin ... and Khrushov ... could also betray Brezhnev .. yes death didn't help winked not to mention how he was able to get out of prison in Krasnovodsk .. all the commissars were shot ... but he survived .. Stalin knew about this and, on occasion, always reminded Mikoyan ....
      1. Djozz
        Djozz 11 November 2013 13: 26
        +2
        Right! From Ilyich to Ilyich, without a heart attack and paralysis!
  15. Stinger
    Stinger 11 November 2013 11: 12
    11
    Somehow I cannot imagine Stalin's sons as accountants in warm places. And goodies too. They have lived a decent life and it is not for us to blame them. As Catherine II said: "If you see the vices of your neighbor, do not show him your condemnation."
    1. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 11 November 2013 21: 38
      +2
      Quote: Stinger
      accountants in warm places.

      Previously, the accountant received less work. There was nothing prestigious.
      It is now "Horns and hooves" without producing anything get millions. The country of lawyers and accountants sounds proudly
  16. ImPerts
    ImPerts 11 November 2013 11: 13
    12
    There was a cult, but there was a personality. That says it all.
    1. Onyx
      Onyx 11 November 2013 11: 27
      10
      There was a cult of personally, and now - a cult of cash. (with)
  17. misljachii
    misljachii 11 November 2013 11: 15
    +4
    I don’t know much about my son, but here’s what his father did a lot for the country in difficult times, yes! and then they poured mud over them, and for a long time we will wash their names.
  18. tarks
    tarks 11 November 2013 11: 23
    +1
    And I liked the formulas on my knees ...
  19. RBLip
    RBLip 11 November 2013 11: 33
    15
    for me personally I.V. Stalin is a Great Man. exactly. with a capital letter. his words alone “I don’t change lieutenants to field marshals” speak volumes. and about the country ... he took it with a plow, handed it over with an atomic bomb ... I think that for this all his subsequent "leaders" get in the way. because they are not even near. let alone the current "effective managers" ...
  20. ochakow703
    ochakow703 11 November 2013 12: 16
    +7
    Both the article and the movie are good. You can only throw mud on your own weakness and bewilderment. And to blame for the violation of the ecological balance in the lake as a result of "fishing", this is generally sheer nonsense. Now half of the country has been dirtied, "houses" are being built in the water protection zone, so this one is all right.
  21. Vasia kruger
    Vasia kruger 11 November 2013 12: 19
    10
    Stalin is being poured mud for a simple reason, having humiliated him, the current generation of leaders seems to be getting taller. Like he was so bad, but now we are good.

    It is a pity that he did not have a single monument left in Russia in my opinion.
    1. Russ69
      Russ69 11 November 2013 14: 07
      12
      Quote: Vasia Kruger
      It is a pity that he did not have a single monument left in Russia in my opinion.

      Why? Monuments to Stalin stand, in May in Yakutsk they put a new one, with the money raised by the people ...
      1. smersh70
        smersh70 11 November 2013 17: 00
        +3
        Quote: Russ69
        Monuments to Stalin stand, in May in Yakutsk they put a new one, with the money raised by the people ...


        here is the news !!!!! interesting at least in the center probably ..... good and where liberals at least look .. why didn’t they raise the .... wassat
        1. Evgenij.
          Evgenij. 11 November 2013 17: 52
          +5
          and where the liberals at least look .. why didn’t they raise the racket.
          they are cold in yakutia
        2. Snoop
          Snoop 11 November 2013 20: 17
          +1
          This is generally the 4th monument to Stalin with us, the liberals raised cries, but somehow a little.
  22. rexby63
    rexby63 11 November 2013 12: 22
    +7
    The article is normal, the film is stone. To all commentators writing that they say what kind of commander he is, what kind of person he is, let me remind you that they condemn a twenty-year-old boy. And if he were not the son of Stalin, no one and
    I wouldn't say a word. And here - if you are the son of a great man, then, at least from ten years old, you must think by state standards. Why's that? It is now children who are shoved all over England from an early age, from infancy in the family the Motherland is not called “this country” and “Rashka”, God forbid serving in the army, the head of state is watered with shit on every corner. These are children who really think globally from an early age. I'm not being ironic. Only such children make you sick for some reason
  23. sds555
    sds555 11 November 2013 13: 05
    11
    If these "effective" leaders and ministers of ours would have lived at that time, they would have sold the country with giblets to the enemies, one stool, God forgive me what it costs, that's why it is beneficial for them to throw mud at Stalin and his sons. was wounded, taken prisoner and, in spite of the pressure exerted, did not cooperate with the enemy! Now imagine: now the war starts, who will one of their children even go to the army?
    1. biznaw
      biznaw 11 November 2013 15: 41
      +7
      Jacob, was not captured, this is fascist disinformation, the photos are forged, Jacob disappeared during the battle, i.e. died and lies somewhere in the funnel not buried, like our other "ordinary soldiers" missing.
      1. sds555
        sds555 11 November 2013 18: 39
        +2
        Jacob was a prisoner, it’s a fact-forged photos where he allegedly goes to cooperate with the Germans (signs an appeal to the soldiers of the Red Army, etc. Forensic scientists have proven that these photos were tampered with by retouching and combining two different photos
    2. Rif
      Rif 11 November 2013 15: 46
      +2
      they were at that time, the processes of the industrial party and other pests about quite real saboteurs and the pest have already been proved by many researchers, only the measures taken then and now are not exactly the same.
  24. saber
    saber 11 November 2013 13: 45
    +3
    that there are no highwayers! nothing to cover, gentlemen?
    1. kaktus
      kaktus 11 November 2013 17: 39
      +2
      no and not necessary laughing
  25. Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 11 November 2013 13: 46
    +7
    Khrushchev & co, whose hands are to the elbow in folk blood, spitting on the country in order to preserve their skins, destroyed both the STALINS father and son, and the USSR, after them. angry
    Khrushchev himself and his son were not touched, then ...
    1. Rif
      Rif 11 November 2013 15: 55
      +3
      "Himself Khrushch and his son" - the son of whom Leonid, according to some studies, surrendered (flew over to the Nazis) was then used by a loudspeaker by the Gebels department (shouted "Rus surrender"), by Stalin's order he was stolen from the Fritzes by partisans and shot by partisan detachment.
      1. Peaceful military
        Peaceful military 11 November 2013 16: 29
        +3
        Quote: Rif
        "Himself Khrushch and his son" - the son of whom Leonid, according to some studies, surrendered (flew over to the Nazis) was then used by a loudspeaker by the Gebels department (shouted "Rus surrender"), by Stalin's order he was stolen from the Fritzes by partisans and shot by partisan detachment.

        Nevertheless, Khrushchev and his son Sergei are quite imagined ... So much so that this son became one of the followers of the collapse of the USSR.
      2. Rattenfanger
        Rattenfanger 11 November 2013 17: 16
        +4
        Quote: Rif
        "Himself Khrushch and his son" - the son of whom Leonid, according to some studies, surrendered (flew over to the Nazis)

        The remains of Leonid Khrushchev were found in the Kuban, if I am not mistaken, in 2000. He died in the battles for the Blue Line. Identified by numbers on the aircraft engine.
    2. DimYang
      DimYang 11 November 2013 18: 16
      +4
      Quote: Peaceful military
      Khrushchev himself and his son were not touched, then ...

      Because Leonid Ilyich was a very decent person.
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  27. vlad.svargin
    vlad.svargin 11 November 2013 14: 36
    +5
    Against the background of mud pouring our past, this article is like a breath of fresh air.
    After Stalin's death, nothing of his property remained, unlike our leaders. He didn't even exchange his eldest son for Paulus - he knew that the whole country was looking at him. The son is worthy of his father, no matter what characteristics Khrushchev's sycophants and modern liberals ("fighters against Stalinism") give him. Eternal memory and love of the people for the father and his sons!
    1. smersh70
      smersh70 11 November 2013 17: 04
      +5
      Quote: vlad.svargin
      After Stalin's death, nothing of the property remained, unlike our leaders. He didn't even exchange his eldest son for Paulus - he knew that the whole country was looking at him. The son is worthy of his father, no matter what characteristics Khrushchev's sycophants and modern liberals ("fighters against Stalinism") give him.

      in the late 80s, until hoarseness, he proved to fellow students that Stalin was a man .... and they said that you were protecting a fellow countryman smile finally, worthy articles appear, good material, as opposed to how they zombified at the dawn of perestroika ... denigrating Stalin and his sons ..... I wonder where these scribblers are right now ... making a lot of money on such articles .... fool
      1. George
        George 11 November 2013 17: 09
        +1
        Recently I was in Abkhazia. Without a trip to about. Ritsa was not done.
        But as the guide said, all of Stalin’s dachas, according to Putin’s instructions, were closed to tourists. Why? did not say.
        1. smersh70
          smersh70 11 November 2013 17: 14
          +3
          Quote: GEORGE
          all the dachas of Stalin on Putin's order closed

          why Putin commands in a foreign country ...... wassat this info is in the hands of the Georgians ... because right now they will say that Putin and Russia were occupying Abkhazia because of summer cottages fellow
          1. George
            George 11 November 2013 19: 59
            +1
            Quote: smersh70
            .ved right now they will say that Putin and Russia were occupying Abkhazia because of summer cottages

            But Georgians do not say so?
    2. Igor39
      Igor39 11 November 2013 19: 52
      +6
      “The famous hero - polar explorer Papanin built a summer house for himself. And he began to invite prominent people, showing his "creation". Everyone was delighted, and laudatory odes were written in the reviews book. Even A. Zhdanov visited, and also left a good review. After which Papanin decided to invite already "himself." And here is Stalin in the country. Part of the room is decorated with marble: somewhere Italian, in the bathroom - Greek. At the end of the inspection, Papanin submits a book of reviews. Stalin leafed through, read, takes a pen and writes:

      - T. Vlasik. Good kindergarten.

      I. Stalin.

      After reading the review, Papanin rushed to call Zhdanov, asking for protection. Contrary to hopes, Stalin accepted requests to protect the hero in a completely different way:

      - My opinions differ with you. I want to bring this issue to the Politburo, this is a very fundamental issue.

      At the Politburo, Stalin said:

      - Nobody wants to belittle the merits of Papanin. And the country appreciated his feat, having awarded the Hero Star. He got a state cottage. But this didn’t seem to him enough, and he decided to build a summer house for himself, where a kindergarten, which we lack, could freely be accommodated. He was not even satisfied with Soviet marble, give him Greek, Italian. Unfortunately, there are members of the Politburo ready to support him. But what will the working class and the working peasantry think about us, comrades? Can we close our eyes to this? But for the sake of what did we make a revolution if we have such untouchables, with whom everything is permitted?

      “Of course not,” the opinion of the Politburo was unanimous.

      - I, too, have such an opinion. You can’t cut ten skins from one ice floe ... "
  28. George
    George 11 November 2013 15: 18
    +9
    From the grateful people ...
  29. Egoza
    11 November 2013 16: 04
    +7
    Vasya was always seriously preparing for meetings with his father. He wrote cheat sheets with formulas in physics and mathematics, and not just anywhere, but on his knees, elbows, and in general on such places where he could spy inconspicuously, if Stalin suddenly began to test his knowledge. Vasya has repeatedly told me that he is very afraid of these paternal exams.

    So after all, in order to check - you had to know yourself! And for an ignorant person, you can hang noodles on the ears. And since Vasily was preparing SO and was afraid of his father's exams, it means he knew that his father knew the material very well. This is by the way for the information of those who like to declare that Stalin was a "dropout", and generally almost half-literate! You can look for such an educated person now only in the afternoon with fire!
  30. Black
    Black 11 November 2013 16: 28
    +7
    Quote: Egoza
    So after all, in order to check - you yourself needed to know!

    This is amazing in Joseph Vissarionovich !!
    Encyclopedic knowledge, thousands of people whom he knew by name, competence in matters from poetry to atom!
    As for the film, I really liked Stalin. Finally, it comes adequately in the perception of the PERSONALITY.
  31. George
    George 11 November 2013 17: 03
    +3
    I ran into an online article on a sense of humor by Joseph Vissarionovich.
    Thought to publish, but decided not to rush and pick up the material.
    Why am I writing this episode:
    Stalin went to rest in the Caucasus. He was accompanied by associates. The train stopped in Rostov-on-Don. It was in the early thirties, and the guards were still not very zealous. Voroshilov stepped out of the car. The people on the platform did not expect the appearance of the people's commissar of defense and gasped in amazement:

    - Voroshilov !!!

    The head of government followed him, and an even more startled people exclaimed:

    - Molotov !!!

    Well, when Stalin appeared on the platform, then people seemed to line themselves up and applaud.

    Stalin, as usual, raised his hand, welcoming and at the same time stopping a standing ovation. When the noise died down, Budyonny suddenly appeared from the vestibule. And on the platform some Cossack exclaimed:

    - And Budyonny, yo ... t ... m ...!

    It seemed that after Stalin’s exit, nothing could happen - but no! Everyone laughed together, including Stalin himself. Since then, when the Stalinist leadership gathered together and Semen Mikhailovich appeared, Stalin invariably said:

    - And Budyonny, yo ... t ... m ...!

    Maybe there are knowledgeable people, please enlighten, the truth or a joke?
    1. alone
      alone 11 November 2013 19: 25
      +3
      true or a joke, but still funny))
    2. Hleb
      Hleb 11 November 2013 19: 32
      +1
      from the same area:
      When Khrushchev at the meeting of the Politburo after the war expressed his thoughts on the construction of agro-cities - gas, water supply, etc. - Stalin listened, went up to him, stroked his bald head and said: “My little Marx!”
    3. ImPerts
      ImPerts 11 November 2013 19: 52
      +1
      Who will say now)))
      A lot of the network walks from here:
      http://read24.ru/fb2/feliks-chuev-soldatyi-imperii-besedyi-vospominaniya-dokumen
      tyi /
  32. deman73
    deman73 11 November 2013 17: 58
    +3
    It’s an excellent article, and all evil-minded people need to moderate their ardor if only because his children were worthy sons of his Great Father and in difficult times for the country they didn’t sit in the rear and it was really not fighting that the current so-called youth is spending money stolen by daddies horseradish
  33. DimYang
    DimYang 11 November 2013 18: 12
    +3
    Quote: Skif-2
    the group wrote down to the comrades. For several months of winter 41-42, he prepared pilots from the children of the elite, "took them out" as an instructor in a two-wheel drive, made a group of aces out of them and departed for the Stalingrad front. The youngest son of Beria was then 16 years old and he died in the skies of Stalingrad having shot down two German planes in the last battle ... They were just boys, no older than 20 - 22 years old, they broke the back of the German beast and wore their awards by right ..


    That's right - I can add eagles give birth to eagles, and rats give birth to rats. About rat pups this means that look at today's children of "big" people.
  34. kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 11 November 2013 19: 50
    +2
    It is painful and insulting to read fabrications about Joseph Vissarionovich and his children! If they cannot get their fathers, try to get through their children. Glory to the Great Stalin !!! , well, how they would like Adolf to defeat us !! CATTLE !!!
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  36. Snoop
    Snoop 11 November 2013 20: 25
    +2
    For reference, the children of that elite, so to speak:

    Yakov Dzhugashvili. He graduated from the Higher Technical School, the Higher Artillery Academy named after Dzerzhinsky. At the front since June 24, 1941: commander of the 6th artillery battery of the howitzer regiment of the 14th Panzer Division, 7th Mechanized Corps, 20th Army. For the battle of July 7, 1941 at the river. Montenegrin near the Senno Vitebsk region, along with other fighters presented to the government award. In July 1941, units of the 16th, 19th and 20th armies were encircled near Vitebsk. He died in captivity.

    Artem Sergeev - step-mother, adopted son of Stalin. In 1938, after graduating from the 10th grade of the 2nd Moscow Special Artillery School, he began serving in the Red Army. He started from the bottom of the army, was an ordinary, junior commander (sergeant), foreman. He entered the 2nd Leningrad Artillery School and graduated in 1940 as a lieutenant. First participated in the fighting on June 26, 1941 as a platoon commander of the 152 mm M-10 howitzers of the 1938 model. In the summer of that year he was captured by the Germans, from where he fled from under execution. After that he was in a partisan detachment. After the transition of the front line was sent to the army. Member of the defense of Stalingrad, the battle of the Dnieper, the battles in East Prussia, Hungary, Germany. In total, he had 24 injuries, including two severe ones. After the first wound, a bayonet hit in the stomach, Sergeyev was treated by the famous surgeon A.V. Vishnevsky, and later A.N. Bakulev himself treated the torn fragmented hand. He finished the war on May 12, 1945, as commander of an artillery brigade, lieutenant colonel and gentleman of seven orders and six medals. He is one of the creators of the USSR anti-aircraft missile forces.
  37. Snoop
    Snoop 11 November 2013 20: 28
    +1
    Stepan Mikoyan. He entered the Kachin Aviation Military School in August 1940. He graduated in September 1941. In the same year he retrained for the Yak-1 fighter and in December was sent to the fighter aviation regiment defending Moscow.
    January 16, 1942 Mikoyan was shot down by a Soviet pilot by mistake. Stepan Anastasovich managed to land a burning car, after which he ended up in the medical battalion. Six months later, he was appointed to Stalingrad, and then to the North-Western Front.
    Stepan Mikoyan finished the war with two orders, with the rank of captain and the post of commander of a fighter regiment link. Subsequently, Honored Test Pilot.

    Alexey Mikoyan. Graduated from the Flight School, the Zhukovsky Academy, the Gen. Headquarters. Member of the Great Patriotic War since September 1943. He fought in the 12th Guards. IAP air defense. After the war he was one of the first to master jet aircraft. Participated in air parades as the leading columns of the MiG-15. He was the first of the Soviet pilots to shoot down a surface-to-air missile.

    Vladimir Mikoyan. Since the beginning of World War II, Volodya achieved his enrollment ahead of schedule, after 9th grade, in the Kachinsky VASP. In February 1942 he completed an accelerated course of study. At first he served near Moscow, where he mastered the Yak-1 and Hurricane. As part of the 434th regiment in September 1942 on the Don Front. He made several sorties and died in an air battle on September 18, 1942 during the Battle of Stalingrad.
  38. Snoop
    Snoop 11 November 2013 20: 31
    +1
    Leonid Khrushchev. In 1935, Leonid became a cadet of the Balashov School of Pilots of the Civil Air Fleet, which he graduated in 1937, in 1938 he worked as a flight instructor, and in 1940 he graduated from the military aviation school in Engels. In 1939, voluntarily enrolling in the Red Army. As soon as the Soviet-Finnish war began, Leonid Khrushchev asked to the front, and his request was granted. He made more than thirty sorties on Ar-2 aircraft, bombed the Mannerheim line. From day one, he participated in the Great Patriotic War as part of the 134th Bomber Aviation Regiment, based in the Andreapol area (Kalininsky Region, 46th Aviation Division. He made 12 sorties, in the summer of 1941 he was presented to the Order of the Red Banner. July 27, 1941 Khrushchev’s plane was shot down in an air battle near the Izog railway station, Leonid barely reached the front line, made an emergency landing on a neutral strip, in which he was seriously injured in his leg, and was out of service for a year.
    In the fall of 1942, L.N. Khrushchev was sent for retraining to the training regiment, where he restored flying skills already on the Yak-7 fighter. In December 1942, he was sent to the 18th Guards Fighter Aviation Regiment. For three incomplete months, the senior lieutenant managed to make 28 training and 6 sorties, participated in two air battles. March 11, 1943 Leonid did not return from combat sortie. According to the memoirs of the pilot V. Zamorin who accompanied him: “When the FV-190 rushed to my car, attacking me from below under the right wing, Lena Khrushchev threw his plane across the fokker firing salvage to save me from death ... After an armor-piercing strike Khrushchev’s plane literally crumbled before my eyes! ”
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    Snoop 11 November 2013 20: 33
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    Timur Frunze. He graduated from a special high school. Since 1940 in the Red Army. In 1941, he graduated from the Kachin Military Aviation School. Since January 1942, Lieutenant Timur Frunze as part of the 161st Fighter Aviation Regiment participated in the Great Patriotic War as a fighter pilot. He made 9 sorties to cover troops in the area of ​​the city of Staraya Russa (Novgorod region). On January 19, 1942, he died in a battle with 8 fighters (2 of them he shot down) over the village of Otvidino, Starorussky District. Fighters T. Frunze and his leader Ivan Shutov entered the battle with a large group of enemy aircraft. Distracting fire from a damaged comrade’s plane, Timur Frunze was shot down. The car went into a tailspin and crashed into the ground. Posthumously Hero of the Soviet Union.


    Sergo Beria. In 1938, after graduating from seven classes of German and music schools, he moved with his family to Moscow, where in 1941, after graduating from secondary school No. 175, he was enrolled in the Central Radio Engineering Laboratory of the NKVD of the USSR. In the early days of the war, he volunteered, on the recommendation of the Komsomol district committee, to a reconnaissance school, in which he received a radio technical specialty on accelerated three-month courses and began serving in the army with the rank of lieutenant technician. On the instructions of the General Staff, he carried out a number of important tasks (in 1941 - Iran, Kurdistan; in 1942 - the North Caucasus Group of Forces). In October 1942, by order of the People's Commissar of Defense, S. Beria was sent to study at the Leningrad Military Communications Academy named after S. M. Budenny. During his studies, he repeatedly spoke on the personal instructions of the Supreme Commander-in-Chief and the General Staff to carry out special secret missions (in 1943-1945 - the Tehran and Yalta conferences of the heads of state of the anti-Hitler coalition; 4th and 1st Ukrainian fronts). He was awarded the medal "For the Defense of the Caucasus" and the Order of the Red Star for exemplary performance of command tasks. In the future, a design engineer in the field of radar and missile systems.
  40. Snoop
    Snoop 11 November 2013 20: 49
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    By the way, after watching a film about Stalin (about himself, not about his son), Zadornov regained his sight) Even the article was written by "Stalin with us" in his blog and on the live journal :)
  41. PUHACH
    PUHACH 11 November 2013 21: 15
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    Quote: smersh70
    you could and should only have been a rib for dinner. ... because the whole street is waiting for you from fishing ..

    I would like to see your appetite if you paid a fine of two thousand dollars for such fishing laughing
  42. egsp
    egsp 11 November 2013 21: 23
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    the war was terrible, and he (Kolya-Canadian) is killing about the blown up fish ...