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Self-liquidation of the West. Why in the United States and Europe adopt radical Islam

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Self-liquidation of the West. Why in the United States and Europe adopt radical Islam

Among the several hundred militants killed this year in Syria, in addition to people from neighboring Arab countries, there are also citizens of Great Britain, Ireland, France, Denmark, Bulgaria and Australia. More recently it became known about the death of American Nicole Mansfield in Syria, who converted to Islam and fought on the side of the so-called opposition. Why are there increasingly more neophytes among Islamist fighters - new converts Muslims, formerly Christians, and even atheists? What makes them take in hand weapon?


From rappers to militants

Until recently Denis Kuspert was known in Germany as rapper Deso Dogg. The fruit of the fleeting love of a German and a hot guy from Ghana, who ran away before little Denis learned to walk. African father left his son for memory only dark skin color and wild temper, which even his stepfather could not curb - an officer of the US Army.

Unusual for Germany appearance and unbridled temperament helped Cuspert to become a popular rapper. But because of his aggressiveness, he constantly got into unpleasant stories. A lover of women, drugs and racing cars, he participated in robberies and fights, for which for some time he was even in prison. His dissatisfaction with life in Germany, Kuspert first splashed out in songs. In one of them, he compared West Berlin with the Wild West, where only bandits and corrupt officials can survive. “Here, mothers sell children for hashish, but nobody cares about that!”, Read Kuspert in recitative. And three years ago, the rapper suddenly hit the religion, changed his name - first to Abu Malik, then to Abu Tala al-Almani and went to Syria to fight on the side of the rebels. Now Cuspert is wanted by the German police for possible involvement in a massacre in Homs province, where 680 local Christians were killed.

Many in Europe fear that for Kuspertom by hundreds of new followers of radical Islam. Now the ranks of the Syrian rebels fighting, according to various sources, from German 100 200 to neophytes. But whether there will be! Video about Kusperta stay in Syria for the very first day looked more 20 thousand Europeans!

Such activity causes alarm not only among the special services, but also among religious scholars. “The events in Syria testify to the strengthening of the Wahhabi movement: its supporters see no difference between men, women and children, armed and unarmed - anyone who adheres to a different faith can and should become the goal of the Wahhabis. Most Germans do not understand the threat that comes from them, because no one talks about it, ”says Islamist Mehdi Chahrou.

Intelligence agencies fear that, having gained combat experience, the neophyte radicals will return to their homeland and will become the basis for the deployment of terrorist organizations in Western Europe. Abu Tala - Kuspert does not hide his intentions and in a message from Syria he says to his compatriots: “You no longer have security, you will no longer live in peace, because you have taken our world away from us for a long time. I appeal to Merkel and all her ministers: you spend jihad in our countries, and we will bring jihad to your countries! ”

White Widow

Unlike Kusperta, Briton Samantha Lyutveyt was a good girl: raised in a strict family of a soldier, brought up in the best British tradition, she honored his parents adored group Spice Girls and sighed dreamily, looking at a photograph of David Beckham, hanging on the wall of her room. When Samantha knocked 17 years, she met on one of the websites with a pretty mulatto named Jermaine Lindsay, who proved adept al-Qaeda. Under his influence, Samantha became vahhabitkoy. Three years after they married dating.

In July, 2005, Lindsay blew himself up in a London subway (26 people were killed in the attack). After his death, Samantha received the nickname White Widow. During interrogation, she categorically denied that she knew about the impending terrorist act, she was believed and released. But then, according to intelligence, Samantha became a recruiter for terrorists in East Africa. She led a detachment of female suicide bombers and was the official representative of the Al-Qaeda’s Somali wing, the al-Shabbab group. And in September of this year, the whole world found out about White Widow: it was she who is called the main organizer of the massacre arranged by the radicals in the shopping center of the Kenyan capital Nairobi. In the diary of Samantha, discovered after the terrorist attack, there are such lines: “Recently, my beloved man talked with my 8-year-old son and 5-year-old daughter. He asked them what they want to be when they grow up. How happy I was when both replied that they wanted to be Mujahideen ... Allah blessed me and presented me with a better husband, who lives the life of a Mujahidin, pointing out the wrong way to everyone the wrong way - the way of death ”.

On the threshold of Eurabia

We can say that Europe has done everything to nurture the seeds of Islamic radicalism in their territory. For example, before 2005, Britain not only opposed the Islamic fanatics, but even patronized them. It was supposed to allow intelligence agencies to keep under control the radical organizations. After all, if you give them the opportunity to act openly, they will always be in sight, Britain also turn them into friendly territory.

Around the same time, Professor Sir David Logan, a professor at the University of Birmingham, former British Ambassador to Turkey, said in an interview with However, that “the British are not afraid of a new wave of immigration from Muslim countries. Rather, they see in it the possibility of renewal. ” “In order not to turn into an old white Christian society,” he said, “Britain should be open to Islamic migrants. They give the elixir of youth to the aging kingdom. ” Only after the explosions in the London 2005 subway, did the attitude towards terrorists change. However, many militants of Chechen gangs, including Akhmed Zakayev and Doku Umarov, still feel at ease in Europe.

A couple of years ago, the book “The Self-liquidation of Germany” by the former Bundesbank board member Tilo Sarratsin made a lot of noise in the world. “I do not want the country of my grandchildren and great-grandchildren to become predominantly Islamic. I do not want women to wear headscarves, and the general rhythm of life would be determined by the shouting of the muezzins, ”wrote Sarrazin. Statistics show: in the West there is a sharp increase in the Muslim population: over the past fifteen years, the number of Muslims has more than doubled! For example, in the United States, according to data on 2000, there were about 1 a million Islam followers in the year, and in 2010 a year - already 2,6 million! What can we say about Europe, which is faced with the mass migration of Muslims after the "Arab spring". Political scientists have started talking about such a phenomenon as Eurabia, predicting that in a couple of decades a new caliphate will be built on the ruins of the Old World. After all, not only can white Europeans lose to Muslims demographically, Islam, unlike European Christianity, can become a real spiritual alternative to the “secular religion” prevalent in Europe.

Why, in fact, many Americans and Europeans abandon their Christian roots and become Muslims? “So after all, all Muslims were once non-Muslims,” said Geidar Jemal, chairman of the Islamic Committee of Russia, ironically. - In the XIX century, these people would become Social Revolutionaries or Social Democrats. But the left discourse lost, Marxism went bankrupt as a protest ideology. And political Islam today is a large-scale, promising, global trend. Islamists, as they say, in trend. ”

What do they want, what do the neophytes strive for? According to Jemal, they are seeking justice. After all, the biggest gap between the rich and the poor is in the West! In the USA, for example, only 1% of the population owns half of the country's wealth, while the share of 80% is only 7%! And given the financial fever of recent years, in the future the poor will become even poorer, and the rich - richer!

However, social inequality is only a starting point. Then the person thinks: what is wrong? Why? What can be done? Almost a hundred years ago, the October Revolution was the answer to such questions, now “everyone has already understood that social revolution cannot solve social problems!” Explains the editor-in-chief of the magazine “International Affairs” Armen Oganesyan. According to him, “postmodernism was born in the depths of European, Christian culture - a new culture that supports non-normative relations, destroys family values ​​and therefore causes rejection of traditionally oriented Europeans”. Excessive tolerance, more precisely, moral dissoluteness, provokes protest against postmodernism, and at the same time Christianity. This is what explains Oganesyan's great interest in Islam from Europeans and Americans.

Andrei Kuraev, a protodeacon of the Russian Orthodox Church, professor of the Moscow Theological Academy, agrees with him. He believes that the neophytes are attracted in Islam not so much by the love of the Arabic language and the greatness of the words of the Koran, as by "revolt against American McDonaltization."

Theology and the theology of hate love

Rebellious, of course, close young religion, which also has a reputation as aggressive. Many political scientists are convinced that in the era of European religious wars, Christianity had about the same image. “In Europe, Christians continually fought with each other. If you take the 30-summer war, then eyewitnesses wrote that it was possible to go to southern Germany for weeks without meeting anyone. Only ravens, corpses and burnt villages. And this is the Christian world! ”Jemal grins sarcastically.

The same question about the aggressiveness of Islam is asked to Andrei Kuraev, who, obviously, is the antagonist of Jemal. “In any traditional religion,” he answers, “whether it be Buddhism, Judaism, Christianity, Islam, two schools of theology appear over time: the theology of love and theology of hate. And in that, and in another there are authoritative names, serious arguments. And you need to understand that this is a person’s personal choice in which of these schools he enters: the Slytherin Faculty (one of the faculties of the school of sorcery described in the novel Harry Potter; the distinctive features of the students of this faculty are cunning and the ability to achieve their goal by any means - Ed.) Or some other. " According to Kuraev, adherents of traditional Islam are too passive. This is what adherents of radical movements use, who conduct work all over the world, using the most effective methods of psychological influence on a person.

They clearly know which places of the Qur'an or Hadith (the legends of the Prophet Muhammad - ed.) Should be paid attention to, how to interpret them, and what authorities to refer to. And supporters of traditional Islam are obliged to refute explosive interpretations of the holy books, and not get rid of on duty phrases that this has nothing to do with the Muslim religion. It has!

Young people, as a rule, are ambitious maximalists. They are either all or nothing. In addition, native Christians know little about true Islam and are easily brainwashed. Experienced recruiters play on the most intimate strings of the human soul, skillfully mixing facts and fiction, deftly juggling quotes drawn from the holy scriptures, gently but nonetheless aggressively leading the ward to the need for struggle and self-sacrifice.

How suicide bombers come out of good guys is beautifully shown in the political thriller "Siriana". Young Pakistani Mazar Manir loses his job. He finds help and support in a local charity school that is being taken care of by a terrorist recruiter. Here they feed the poor, at the same time washing their brains and growing cannon fodder from them. As a result, Mazar deliberately goes to the ram of an oil tanker, leaving a video ad with the words “I am leaving with a pure heart and there will be real life. Real life in another world! ”

As was the case with Mazar, recruiters usually give to the new adepts only those surahs from the Koran, in which we are talking about war. They are trying to convince that those who die in the holy struggle against the infidels are guaranteed paradise. But nobody tells the naive guys that only pagans and atheists are considered to be infidels in Islam, and Christians and Jews, as well as Muslims, are called people of the Book. In addition, the Holy Quran strictly prohibits raising a hand even against unbelieving women, children and unarmed. And not suicide bombers themselves, but suicides. So it is unlikely that paradise is shining for them in the other world, because “Whoever does evil, will be rewarded with the same” (Holy Quran, sura 4, ayah 122).
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  1. mirag2
    mirag2 11 November 2013 15: 59
    +7
    Suicide in any religion is bad, no matter what the goals are not justified (kamikaze, etc.).
    1. domokl
      domokl 11 November 2013 18: 20
      -4
      You confuse suicide and death in a battle for faith ... Suicide bombers are just the second category. And here everything is exactly the opposite. Whoever dies for faith in battle (the form of battle is not regulated) goes straight to heaven, regardless of past sins ... Christians have exactly the same ...
      1. Selevc
        Selevc 11 November 2013 21: 13
        +5
        Quote: domokl
        The deceased for his faith in battle (the form of battle is not regulated) goes straight to heaven,

        I just never could understand one thing - in any religion, murder is sin No. 1 ... And how then can a person who kills others can go to heaven? Nonsense !!!
        You look at modern priests !!! They only need a beard to shave, put on a suit and give a party card - the spilled party workers will work :))) They must live as Christ lived - in rags and virtues !!! And they all go in gold and willingly take money for their affairs !!! It got to the point that in some churches (for example, St. Andrew's Church in Kiev), icons with price tags hang directly in the cathedral itself ... But business and morality are incompatible things - but there are too many who want to combine this !!!In general, the modern church is so far from that life which itself teaches that I am not surprised that many people are so easily changing their faith ...
        1. alex86
          alex86 11 November 2013 21: 36
          +3
          Not wanting to offend absolutely anyone, (and excuse the possible terminological inaccuracies), I wonder where the Hurias should come from in paradise, who in large numbers will please the "warrior of Allah", how their wives in their lifetime treat this, and whether these wives will be surrounded in paradise brave horsemen in the same amount?
          For reference - I am an atheist and I am not ashamed of this at all - otherwise all the Communists have now retrained ...
          1. HollyGremlin
            HollyGremlin 12 November 2013 12: 53
            0
            But, let me ask you, what about the proof of the existence of God, of which, as you know, there are exactly five?
            1. alex86
              alex86 12 November 2013 19: 51
              0
              And further down the line, you clearly should remember (which is valuable, not everyone is able to quote here, and obviously from memory good )
        2. Nick
          Nick 11 November 2013 23: 31
          +2
          Quote: Selevc
          But business and morality are incompatible things - but there are too many who want to combine this !!!

          Here you are not quite right. Business must be moral, Christ, for example, according to one version of the carpentry business, traded, at least, his father Joseph was a carpenter, but business can be immoral, the drug business for example ...
          1. Selevc
            Selevc 12 November 2013 00: 26
            0
            But the fact is that the church should educate the soul and not become a business ... When you approach any church - around it there are usually a lot of professional beggars - for whom to beg for money is already a kind of business ... Next, we go into the church courtyard and around you not spiritualized and enlightened people, but there is a brisk trade - they sell candles, icons, crosses and all kinds of religious trinkets ... And the thought arises - some strange neighborhood of spiritualized and silver-loving ...

            Churches breed like mushrooms - but the general morality of society falls ... If you look at the pre-revolutionary photos of St. Petersburg and Moscow, you will see the cities united with churches - and right there in the neighborhood are houses of tolerance, gambling and drinking houses ...
            The current situation reminds me personally of the beginning of the 20th century - the flourishing of religion and the decline of morality !!!
      2. OTTO
        OTTO 11 November 2013 21: 22
        +1
        Quote: domokl
        You confuse suicide and death in a battle for faith ... Suicide bombers are just the second category.

        Only Christians had this in a pinch. And I don’t remember that our soldiers were taught how to properly blow up themselves and enemies with a grenade. Everyone made this decision on their own without the help of instructors.
        1. alone
          alone 11 November 2013 21: 58
          +6
          Nonsense is all this. Any suicide is already in hell without question. Not wanting to go to Paradise blowing himself up in a bus with civilian passengers! these are sick thugs who cover up their crimes with religion. such must be destroyed on the spot!
      3. varov14
        varov14 11 November 2013 22: 06
        +3
        In battle, yes, but the explosion on the bus, in the subway, among civilians, what a fight it is - a homicide.
        1. Andrey Yuryevich
          Andrey Yuryevich 12 November 2013 04: 33
          +6
          what a battle it is, it is a SLAUGHTER! and if some god justifies this, then he is a complete beast!
        2. VARCHUN
          VARCHUN 12 November 2013 12: 11
          0
          So they are waging their guerrilla war in this way, one took 50-100 with saba so consider it, then pure mathematics, add to this panic, fear and eternal internal mental pressure.
      4. Rusich51
        Rusich51 11 November 2013 22: 12
        +6
        Isobabil the Qur'an and Islam can’t. Muslims, it’s time for you to purify yourself from Wahhabis, all sane people are on your side.
      5. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 12 November 2013 02: 25
        0
        Quote: domokl
        The deceased for his faith in battle (the form of battle is not regulated) immediately goes to heaven, regardless of past sins ... For Christians in the same way ...

        As far as I know, this is a purely Wahhabi theory, in traditional Islam it seems like everything is different ... please clarify.
      6. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 12 November 2013 04: 30
        +4
        Christians are not promised that immediately 40 virgins will be issued in bulk for personal use ... laughing
      7. alexng
        alexng 12 November 2013 12: 57
        +1
        Quote: domokl
        Died for faith in battle (the form of battle is not regulated)


        You mixed everything together. In fact, the best death is death on the battlefield, since the mind at this moment is 100% in the "present moment". With shahids it is a completely different matter, and here there can be no talk of any "present moment". Most likely, there is a fear of imminent death here, since the mind hovers more in the past. So self-subversion is a banal suicide at the behest of the owners who have taken possession of your consciousness. Somewhere like that, in short.
      8. kelevra
        kelevra 16 December 2013 01: 42
        0
        Some kind of nonsense! It is said in any religion that murder is a sin! And how it was committed (forcedly, protecting the Fatherland, saving yourself or someone), THERE will decide and pronounce a sentence!
    2. APASUS
      APASUS 11 November 2013 22: 16
      +1
      Quote: mirag2
      Suicide in any religion is bad, no matter what the goals are not justified (kamikaze, etc.).

      Why are you attributing kamikaze here?
      The real kamikaze was not terrorists, but soldiers — Japanese pilots from the Second World War who voluntarily decided to give their lives for their homeland. Shinto dominance in Japan gave rise to a special attitude towards death. This religious and philosophical system gave suicide bombers hope after completing a mission to join the host of numerous deities.
      It is well known that the word "kamikaze" means "Divine Wind" - a hurricane that destroyed the enemy fleet in the 300th century. It would seem, what does the Middle Ages have to do with it? However, unlike technology, with the "ideological support" the Japanese military was all right. The "Divine Wind" was thought to have been sent then by the goddess Amaterasu, the patroness of Japanese security. Sent at a time when nothing could stop the conquest of her country by the XNUMXth Mongol-Chinese army of Khan Khubilai
      1. Vladimir-35136
        Vladimir-35136 12 November 2013 08: 49
        +1
        When the Japanese say that some kind of wind saved them from the invasion, it still needs to be proved. And it may turn out that the conquest of Japan did take place, but the conquerors themselves invented this legend to brainwash the conquered population.
    3. DS22
      DS22 12 November 2013 03: 29
      +4
      Do not confuse suicide with self-sacrifice. A warrior who sacrificed his life in the name of the Motherland can in no way be considered a suicide! And faith has nothing to do with it! The same kamikaze, first of all, fought for Japan, and only then for everything else. And Soviet soldiers, rushing under tanks with grenades, also fought for Russia! And all these warriors, unequivocally, are heroes, not suicides!
      1. Aryan
        Aryan 12 November 2013 04: 56
        -1
        Better as Vitkings

        FOR ONE!

        Valgala and 40k vagina are waiting there laughing
        1. abrakadabre
          abrakadabre 12 November 2013 09: 56
          +1
          Valgala and 40k are waiting there moisturealish
          VALGALISHCH
          wassat
  2. Stiletto
    Stiletto 11 November 2013 16: 03
    13
    Unfortunately, there are enough radicals in any country. Therefore, personally, I will not rush to unleash righteous anger on Europe and the United States accepting radical Islam - for us, this problem is extremely urgent. And here is a clear answer to the question "why is this happening?" somehow did not see in the article, although I would like to.
    1. APES
      APES 11 November 2013 16: 43
      11
      Quote: Stiletto
      And here is a clear answer to the question "why is this happening?"


      Answer:

      "Postmodernism was born in the bowels of European, Christian culture - a new culture that supports profanity, destroys family values ​​and therefore causes rejection among traditionally oriented Europeans." Excessive tolerance, more precisely, moral licentiousness, causes a protest against postmodernism, and along with Christianity. This is precisely what explains Hovhannisyan's huge interest in Islam from Europeans and Americans. The protodeacon of the Russian Orthodox Church, professor of the Moscow Theological Academy Andrei Kuraev, agrees with him. He believes that the neophytes in Islam are attracted not so much by the love of the Arabic language and the grandeur of the word of the Koran, as by "rebellion against American MacDonaldization."
      1. Rusich51
        Rusich51 11 November 2013 22: 14
        +1
        Quote: APES
        The neophytes in Islam are attracted not so much by the love of the Arabic language and the grandeur of the word of the Qur'an as by “rebellion against American MacDonaldization”.

        Americans are all sickened up with their pseudo-culture.
    2. domokl
      domokl 11 November 2013 18: 26
      +4
      Quote: Stiletto
      And here is a clear answer to the question "why is this happening?" somehow did not see in the article, although I would like to.

      Why? The author didn’t say and didn’t chew. The answer is given. Modern European Christianity discredited itself with innovations ... What the author called postmodernism. In countries where morality, especially in the field of religion, has decayed, young people are looking for that which can bring everything back ... And Islam is best suited for this.
      We just missed the boom of 80's 90's. The boom of oriental religions, oriental culture. We just missed it because it wasn’t related to blood ... Islamic radicalism is more bloody. That's alarmed .. And time has already been lost. Tolerance and tolerance Now they will not be allowed to fight effectively.
      1. SPLV
        SPLV 11 November 2013 23: 32
        +1
        Dear Domokles! Christianity has discredited itself over the centuries. Suffice it to recall the Crusades and the Inquisition. At the dawn of its formation, Christianity won over many religions (for example, the cult of Mithra) due to the initiation of women into the ministry, but immediately fell into a witch-hunt in Western Europe. The rest of the "excesses" were already the development of the crisis of religion.
        Islam at the moment has occupied the niche of the religion of slaves instead of early Christianity (the first five centuries from the beginning of the new era, perhaps), instead of communism-socialism in Europe of the last two centuries. Where, in what environment does Islam gain the greatest development today? In the poorest countries, among the poorest segments of the population in rich countries. Naturally, this is used by various forces to acquire power. It's just that Western civilization is no longer able to overcome social and moral problems in domestic politics. Although it is quite simple to overcome this tendency: you just need not to dig the resources of Africa and Asia to the bottom. The West could start investing in the development of other countries, and not in their armaments. But this is not realistic - no one "in their right mind" will do this, because there will be a problem of lowering the standard of living of rich countries (they prefer to indulge themselves with the illusions of their exclusiveness, not noticing what is happening around them - the blind). Therefore, there is confidence that global changes are not far off. And, as usual in history, this happens because of the snickering "masters of the world." After all, there was the collapse of the Roman Empire, the British Empire, the collapse of the NATO empire was on the way. Unfortunately, we will not stand aside. At the moment, I do not know a force that could really compete with the new Islam, except for enlightenment and improving life - there are no other methods, but it is expensive and does not bring profit, unlike the trade in arms, drugs, oil.
    3. varov14
      varov14 11 November 2013 22: 23
      +2
      How they did not see - "In the XNUMXth century, these people would become Socialist-Revolutionaries or Social Democrats. But the left discourse lost, Marxism went bankrupt as a protest ideology. And political Islam today is a large-scale, promising, worldwide trend. Islamists, as they say, are in trend "." - the main message, about which it is high time for the authorities to think about. If there are no necessary changes from above, they will come from below. And it will grow like a snowball. Write yourself - the Russians went to Islam, that for faith, so God is one - for the truth. And where the curve will lead. In case of victory in the "extremals" there will always be their own Cheka. Perhaps the leaders of Islam give an account of where they are leading their flock.
    4. Vladimir-35136
      Vladimir-35136 12 November 2013 08: 58
      0
      The answer, it seems to me, lies in the pragmatism of Western society. The basis of its welfare is the division of the world into developed and other, consuming goods produced by the West, and therefore, to maintain the status quo, it is necessary to keep most countries in an underdeveloped state, in a state of consumer dependence. Thus, radical Islam is directly beneficial primarily to the Western consumer society and is contrary to the interests of the welfare and development of Muslims themselves.
  3. kafa
    kafa 11 November 2013 16: 14
    17
    suicide of faith is condemned by all faiths that were born not around the corner yesterday.
    I’m wahoo guys from Ryazan’s fools in hijabs. I saw it today at the public transport stop and tomorrow this dumbfounded one will undermine what kind of transport my wife will be in. I’ll play the BEST Ninja and these huevakapyuns by hand.
    wrote waiting: banned cops il cho cooler
    1. rereture
      rereture 11 November 2013 16: 33
      14
      Everything is correct. Personally, I have not seen people shouting "Jesus is risen" blowing up buses. So if it turns out that all sorts of filth are crawling out of faith, it is not better to eradicate faith.
      1. Joonkey
        Joonkey 11 November 2013 17: 28
        +2
        Well, in this case, we simply do not live in that century, once behind the Holy Sepulcher and under the banner of Jesus, thousands of people were slaughtered ... Christianity is exhausted, and not by itself, it just, in my opinion, has become absolutely submissive to secular authority and therefore powerless. The Muslim religion, the youngest, and not subject to secular governments, looks much more aggressive and the manifestations of passion there are higher ...
        1. rereture
          rereture 11 November 2013 17: 36
          +2
          So you need to break off the horns. I don’t like living according to secular laws, going to Saudi Arabia, and I would not be against the prohibition of propaganda of this or that religion among children and youth.
      2. 3.7.964
        3.7.964 11 November 2013 17: 32
        +4
        Quote: rereture
        Everything is correct. Personally, I have not seen people shouting "Jesus is risen" blowing up buses. So if it turns out that all sorts of filth are crawling out of faith, it is not better to eradicate faith.

        Islam and Christianity are derived from Judaism.

        Today, more than three billion people on earth are supporters of monotheistic religions. But monotheism came into the world only once - almost four thousand years ago, through the Jewish people, and since then it has spread to most of humanity - through the "daughter religions" of Christianity and Islam, in fact, "subsidiaries" in relation to Judaism marketing Jewish ideas (and very successful, for which we thank them and a big gold medal).

        In Christianity, this function - the marketing of Judaism - is obvious. It manifests itself in the worship of Jesus, whom Christians consider God to be, and which, according to their own ideas, belonged to the Jewish people during their lifetime. The fact that this “man-God” is a Jew is a unique and, of course, nonrandom fact in the history of mankind. The Christian Bible, which more than two billion people consider their sacred religious text, speaks entirely about Jews. Not only in the Old Testament (TaNaH), but also in the New - all the heroes, mostly Jews; and all authors are also Jews.

        In Islam, the Qur'an retells, with interpretations and additions, the basic texts of the Torah, recognizes all Jewish forefathers and prophets as “true Muslims”.

        Pinchas Polonsky
        http://cursorinfo.co.il/blogs/Polonsky/evreyskaya-izbrannost--kak-fakt-i-kak-viz
        ov /
        1. DimYang
          DimYang 11 November 2013 18: 36
          +3
          You are absolutely right!!! Every religion is slavery of the spirit. But as long as there are weak spirits, religions will exist. Orthodoxy was a solar cult-worldview and the basis of life, based on ancient knowledge. After the Nikonian reform, it finally became Christianity. Well, I think this is already known for writing similar lines. The time of this intricate lie passes, and therefore the aggression on their part.
          1. 3.7.964
            3.7.964 11 November 2013 20: 02
            +1
            Quote: dimyan
            Every religion is slavery of the spirit.

            Truly so! Each time, I am more and more convinced that Judeo-Christianity is a mental virus that penetrates the Worldview of the carrier and changes its Self-Identification.
            A Christian is a person (Slav) infected with the Judeo-Christian virus and has lost its natural identity.
            In our case, the Slavs became Judeo-Christians, such a transit creature (mutant) from the Slavs to Judea, while Christianity mimicked Orthodoxy and began to be called Orthodox, having nothing to do with it. Moreover, they (Christians and Muslims) are distinguished by their aggression and intolerance to dissent. This can be seen on the example of this post, perhaps the "ban" will be soldered.
            1. Flooding
              Flooding 11 November 2013 21: 18
              +1
              Quote: 3.7.964
              Truly so! Each time, I am more and more convinced that Judeo-Christianity is a mental virus that penetrates the Worldview of the carrier and changes its Self-Identification.

              Pagans already pulled up!
              Look at the topic, neophytes are Veles, damn it.
              It’s all about radical Islam.
              But don’t feed you bread - let’s shit on Christianity.
              Do you lack communication with your own kind?
              For "Judeo-Christianity" I honestly say - most likely I would have put it ... between clear eyes.
              Aren't you Judas who rejected the faith of grandfathers ???
              1. 3.7.964
                3.7.964 11 November 2013 22: 22
                +1
                Quote: Flood
                Pagans already pulled up!

                By the way, I am not a Rodnover, not a pagan, not an atheist, and not a believer. This is my hobby, to understand for myself, in difficult matters.
                Therefore, your attempt to rank me among the pagans and, in connection with this, to offend me with the word "Judas" - failed.
                Therefore, I can afford to read both the Bible and the Torah, as well as other interesting books that allow you to find answers to simple questions.
                And you, Navodlom, are able to answer simple questions? Or your arguments are rudeness?
                1. Flooding
                  Flooding 12 November 2013 10: 26
                  -2
                  Quote: 3.7.964
                  Therefore, your attempt to classify me as a pagan and in this regard, to offend me with the word "Judas" - failed

                  Quote: 3.7.964
                  Or your arguments are rudeness?

                  non-rover-non-pagan-non-atheist-non-believer
                  .
                  It is difficult at this time to understand what faith is for a person and what is its reproach.
                  My advice is to start with yourself. And try to figure out where the insult began. Not in your post?
                  Quote: 3.7.964
                  And you, Navodlom, are able to answer simple questions?

                  I haven't seen any questions yet. "Christianity mimicked Orthodoxy" ... Was this the very deep conclusion on which I had to start looking for a refutation?
                  Quote: 3.7.964
                  they (Christians and Muslims) are distinguished by aggression and intolerance of dissent

                  There is no need to blame the mirror, if it is not the mirror. You managed to show tremendous tolerance yesterday, not even to dissent, but to the faith of great-grandfathers.
                  I just have nothing to discuss with you. Cook yourself in your brew.
                  1. 3.7.964
                    3.7.964 12 November 2013 17: 08
                    0
                    Quote: Flood
                    what faith is for man and what is its reproach.

                    Faith is an uncritical perception of information, unlike you, I do not perceive anything, I try to get to the truth. I don’t believe that Rabbi Yeshua- rose again.
                    Quote: Flood
                    I haven't seen any questions yet. "Christianity mimicked Orthodoxy" ... Was this the very deep conclusion on which I had to start looking for a refutation?

                    The Orthodox sect of Judeo-Christianity took the Vedic holidays and named it in its own way, and also, Orthodoxy is the Right to Glorify, and with no side to Christianity.
                    Quote: Flood
                    There is no need to blame the mirror, if it is not the mirror. You managed to show tremendous tolerance yesterday not even to dissent, but to the faith of great-grandfathers. I just have nothing to discuss with you. Cook yourself in your brew.

                    You ask too many ridiculous questions, I think you have porridge in your head from names, times, events ... Moreover, porridge is man-made and diligently mixed by you. Don’t be afraid of Alzheimer's old age, because the brain does not forgive the shell for such mockery of itself?
          2. Flooding
            Flooding 11 November 2013 21: 35
            -2
            Quote: dimyan
            Orthodoxy was a solar cult-worldview and the basis of life, based on ancient knowledge.

            Otkel such data?
          3. consul
            consul 11 November 2013 21: 53
            -1
            Quote: dimyan
            After the Nikonian reform, it finally became Christianity.

            Give a comparison of Orthodoxy before and after the Nikonian reform, I doubt that you will find a fundamental difference in the texts (if you find it at all, bearing in mind the knowledge of the ancient Bulgarian dialect of the Slavic language, which is actually the basis of the Church Slavonic language).
            1. DimYang
              DimYang 12 November 2013 14: 33
              +1
              Sergius of Radonezh "disguised" Vedicism as Christianity under external pressure from the West on weakened Russia in order to knock out an excuse for further expansion of the West and, as a result, the destruction of the Slavs. True, this only slowed them down, but allowed more or less consolidation of the scattered Russian principalities. Those. the form of Christianity, and the content is Vedicism. The Nikonian reform (in fact, the Petrovskaya reform, the weak Nikon could not carry it out) almost destroyed the heritage of the ancestors and almost changed the content (how ancient books were burned and the carriers of knowledge were destroyed in history, what is burned books is not good, I think you understand). But the memory of the ancient holidays remained among the people, Christianity reworked them and began to call them syncretic (I hope I don’t need to name which ones), so that their meaning in the people's memory would be erased. All the same, they did not succeed. There are people who remember and know the meaning of ancient traditions. If you are interested, then in our time you can find and learn more about it. There would be a desire.
        2. consul
          consul 11 November 2013 21: 34
          0
          Quote: 3.7.964
          ... Pinchas Polonsky

          Apparently you are a Jew, since the statements of the Jews are authoritative for you. Christianity for almost 2 thousand years already has nothing to do with Judaism, revised by the scribes and Pharisees radically after the coming of Jesus Christ (the God-man, not a human god, as the Jew slyly interprets). Christianity did not take nothing of Jewish customs, except the distorted Holy Scripture. Here Mohammedanism is really close-circumcision, bloody sacrifices, attitude towards non-Mohammedans.
          1. 3.7.964
            3.7.964 11 November 2013 22: 14
            0
            Quote: consul
            Apparently you are a Jew, since the statements of the Jews are authoritative for you. Christianity for almost 2 thousand years already has nothing to do with Judaism, revised by the scribes and Pharisees radically after the coming of Jesus Christ (the God-man, not a human god, as the Jew slyly interprets). Christianity did not take nothing of Jewish customs, except the distorted Holy Scripture. Here Mohammedanism is really close-circumcision, bloody sacrifices, attitude towards non-Mohammedans.

            Well, you wrote nonsense! Argument your writing.
            Quote: consul
            Quote: 3.7.964
            ... Pinchas Polonsky

            Apparently you are a Jew, since the statements of the Jews are authoritative for you. Christianity for almost 2 thousand years already has nothing to do with Judaism, revised by the scribes and Pharisees radically after the coming of Jesus Christ (the God-man, not a human god, as the Jew slyly interprets). Christianity did not take nothing of Jewish customs, except the distorted Holy Scripture. Here Mohammedanism is really close-circumcision, bloody sacrifices, attitude towards non-Mohammedans.

            ????????????????????? Did you understand what you wrote?
            1. consul
              consul 11 November 2013 22: 32
              0
              Quote: 3.7.964
              Did you understand what you wrote?

              I know what I wrote. Peter Efimovich Polonsky (Pinchas Polonsky; born February 11, 1958, Moscow) is an Israeli researcher of Judaism, a popularizer of Judaism among Russian-speaking Jews.
              You quoted Polonsky, therefore, in this matter he is authoritative for you, what is not clear here? If you mean that Christianity has not taken anything from Jewish customs (since they have lost their relevance), then this is so.
              1. 3.7.964
                3.7.964 11 November 2013 22: 47
                +1
                Quote: consul
                You quoted Polonsky, therefore, in this matter he is authoritative for you, what is not clear here?

                I brought this to prove that a person writes without hiding, I advise you to read.
                Quote: consul
                Christianity did not take anything from Jewish customs (since they have lost their relevance) - this is so.

                Go to church, and listen to what he says and to whom, pop during the service. During the wedding, to whom are prayers offered? Respect yourself, make a discovery. I am sure you will be very surprised.
                1. consul
                  consul 11 November 2013 23: 21
                  0
                  Quote: 3.7.964
                  You will be very surprised.

                  I don’t think, because I know what I say to Whom during the service or wedding, therefore I say that I know what I wrote. Do not confuse modern Talmudic Judaism with what it was before the Resurrection of Jesus Christ. It’s interesting if Abraham or Moses were Slavs, would you not talk to yourself? Yes, the true knowledge of God was stored in the Jewish people, but with the coming of the Messiah (Christ) -Jesus it (the gospel is in it the whole essence of knowledge about God) became available to everyone who wants to accept it, moreover, knowledge that was not dreamed of by Jewish law teachers.
          2. DimYang
            DimYang 11 November 2013 22: 23
            +2
            I will take this at my own expense. In general, as believers say, I am an atheist, no pagan. My one of my great-grandfathers was an Old Believer, but not to those who prayed to the images. I have never been a Jew. I consider Judaism to be the basis of hatred, where the white man is most hated. Read the Old Testament (five books of the Torah) and the psalter, to which god are all the prayers? What nation describes everything there? And as for the fact that Christianity did not take anything from Judaism, then only all the main rituals take place at night during the periods of the new or full moon (which refers to lunar cults, which is Judaism), and do not forget about the Old Testament. Mohammedanism with its Quran, also one of the heads of this hydra. The Qur'an was written by hand by a certain Zawi not Magomed. Zawi - a strange last name right? Well, I won’t talk about the identity of Magomed, but the desert robber who was kicked out of Mecca went to Medina, where three Jewish families ruled at that time. There they explained to him who could be robbed on the highway and who could not, well, etc. If there is interest, you yourself can study this issue. I already wrote that to whom it is interesting and necessary, I’ll get to the bottom of everything myself. I am not interested in engaging in controversy about this. For me, everything has been clear for a long time.
            1. consul
              consul 11 November 2013 22: 55
              +1
              Quote: dimyan
              all the main rites take place at night during the periods of the new or full moon (which refers to lunar cults, which is Judaism)

              Actually, the main service in the Orthodox church (and the Catholic one too) is performed in the morning (liturgy), and on Easter and Christmas at night, but this is due to the time of the birth and resurrection of Jesus Christ and not to the moon. If you are about Easter, then there there is no hint about any cult of the moon.
              Easter - a method for calculating the date of Easter.
              The essence of the method is to simulate the practice of calculating the time of the ancient Jews in order to determine the day of the Old Testament Easter in the dates of the solar calendar (Julian, Gregorian or Alexandrian) and finding the next Sunday after this day as the day of Christian Easter. Since the main calendar unit of the ancient Jews was the synodic (lunar) month, modeling is carried out by scheduling the lunar months for an interval of several years. As such an interval, the so-called Metonov’s cycle, which is based on the fact that the duration of 235 synodic months with acceptable accuracy is equal to 19 tropical years. Thus, the schedule of the lunar phases, compiled for a certain 19th anniversary, is exactly repeated in the subsequent 19th years, which allows us to compile a table of Easter dates or formulate an algorithm for calculating them for many years to come.
              The rule of Easter is as follows: Easter is celebrated on the first Sunday after the first full moon, which occurs no earlier than the spring equinox.
              It should be borne in mind that the full moon and the equinox are understood not as astronomical phenomena, but as dates obtained by calculation. Under the full moon Easter is understood the so-called. “The day of the 14th Moon” (age of the Moon = 14) from the schedule of lunar phases built on the basis of the Meton cycle. The spring equinox refers to the calendar spring equinox for the northern hemisphere - March 21.
              Two different easter eggs are currently used. Since 1583, the Catholic Church has been using Gregorian Easter, which takes the March 21 equinox according to the Gregorian calendar for calculations, while most Orthodox churches adhere to Alexandrian Easter from March 21 on the Julian calendar. In addition, in Alexandria Easter, the calculated Easter full moon occurs 4-5 days later than the real astronomical full moon.
              1. 3.7.964
                3.7.964 11 November 2013 23: 00
                +1
                Quote: consul
                The essence of the method is to simulate the practice of calculating the time of the ancient Jews in order to determine the day of the Old Testament Easter in the dates of the solar calendar (Julian, Gregorian or Alexandrian) and finding the next Sunday after this day as the day of Christian Easter. Since the main calendar unit of the ancient Jews was the synodic (lunar) month, modeling is carried out by scheduling the lunar months for an interval of several years.

                You contradict yourself! So you said that Christianity has nothing to do with the Jews!
                1. consul
                  consul 11 November 2013 23: 32
                  0
                  Quote: 3.7.964
                  So you said that Christianity has nothing to do with the Jews!

                  This is what I did not say. "Christianity did not take anything from Jewish customs, only not distorted Holy Scripture." Jewish Passover.
                  "Christianity for almost 2 thousand years has nothing to do with Judaism, revised by the scribes and Pharisees radically after the coming of Jesus Christ ..." - and this is what he said, where the key word "revised".
              2. DimYang
                DimYang 12 November 2013 14: 03
                0
                Quote: consul
                Easter and Christmas at night, but this is due to the time of the birth and resurrection of Jesus Christ and not to the moon. If you are about Easter, then there is no hint about any cult of the moon.

                You are very naive if you think so.
            2. Flooding
              Flooding 12 November 2013 10: 43
              -2
              Quote: dimyan
              My one of my great-grandfathers was an old believer, but not to those who prayed to the images

              What a dull ignorance. Talk about your great-grandfather, at least try to find out the details.
              The Old Believers (Old Believers) all worship images. And priests and bespopovtsy.
              Another thing is Molokans and Dukhobors. But they are not related to the Old Believers.
              Have you ever been to one Old Believer service? Or a molokan? Or Dukhobors? On the basis of what do you build your conclusions?
              1. DimYang
                DimYang 12 November 2013 13: 49
                +1
                It’s just that you don’t know them completely. There were just those who exist who don’t pray to their images and don’t have icons. Why it’s so complicated, take a better interest. I don’t want to explain it to anyone. Who wants to find out for himself.
                1. Flooding
                  Flooding 12 November 2013 16: 01
                  -2
                  Quote: dimyan
                  It’s just that you don’t know them completely. There were just those who exist who don’t pray to their images and don’t have icons.

                  I myself am an old believer. Tell me more, you are very interested in me.
                  1. 3.7.964
                    3.7.964 12 November 2013 17: 12
                    0
                    Quote: Flood
                    I myself am an old believer. Tell me more, you are very interested in me.

                    I doubt that you want to hear a person, your faith will not allow you to do this.
                    1. Flooding
                      Flooding 12 November 2013 17: 24
                      0
                      Quote: 3.7.964
                      I doubt that you want to hear a person, your faith will not allow you to do this.

                      I am not interested in his attitude to matters of faith.
                      I am interested in how unsubstantiated and unsubstantiated he is.
                      Or vice versa.
                      1. DimYang
                        DimYang 12 November 2013 17: 48
                        +1
                        There are communities in the Russian north and in Siberia. You need to find it. He does not intend to prove this to anyone. I know this, whoever needs it knows that. Believe me or not, for me this question is insignificant.
                      2. Flooding
                        Flooding 12 November 2013 19: 10
                        -1
                        Quote: dimyan
                        There are communities in the Russian north and in Siberia. You need to find it.

                        I don’t need it, I’m kind of a little aware of the issue.
                        Your attitude to what is being discussed very accurately characterizes you as an interlocutor. For that matter, it is very strange to ask a topic, to cite controversial "facts", then to dodge aside.
                        Quote: dimyan
                        He does not intend to prove this to anyone. I know this, whoever needs it knows that. Believe me or not, for me this question is insignificant.

                        How to understand? Take my word for it. And if you don’t want to, don’t believe it. Confirmation of my words will not get in any case.
                        This is unfounded. Take "merci" from me for confirmation of the guess.

                        For minus a deep bow. For lack of evidence, this is your only argument with 3.7.964.
                      3. DimYang
                        DimYang 13 November 2013 13: 40
                        0
                        I did not minus you a single comment. If you say that you are in the know, then in my opinion such self-confidence in knowing the issue is not far-sighted. Do not want to search is not necessary. I have my reasons for not specifying specifically. There is a saying - do not wake famously. So I do not touch him. And those people have why not to advertise. Just good advice - if you find about them, then do not spread too much. They have too much attention to anything.
  • Cherdak
    Cherdak 11 November 2013 16: 15
    +1


    It is more surprising how some "dear Russians" are changing dramatically.
    1. kotvov
      kotvov 11 November 2013 19: 15
      +1
      money or compromising material, I think, they are not doing it.
  • EdwardTich68
    EdwardTich68 11 November 2013 16: 17
    +2
    What makes the author think that there is a mass conversion to Islam in Europe and America? Is it Protestants or something
    become Muslims? Will they exchange their flourishing world for medieval obscurantism?
    1. APES
      APES 11 November 2013 16: 48
      +8
      Quote: EdwardTich68
      Exchange their blooming world


      It blooms so that the smell is heard even beyond the Urals
      1. EdwardTich68
        EdwardTich68 11 November 2013 16: 58
        -8
        At present, the existence of man in Europe is a role model.
        And if you are APES, you don’t know what stability is and how it affects life expectancy and overwhelming majority of the population. Contact
        knowledgeable people.
        1. 11111mail.ru
          11111mail.ru 11 November 2013 18: 58
          +7
          Quote: EdwardTich68
          Currently, the existence of man in Europe, there is a role model

          SODOMITS, condemned by the main religions of the world, have been elevated to the role model! You probably have a canonical edition of the Bible in your apartment, read about Lot, Sodom, Gomorrah there. Even THEN, about 2 years old, homosexuals were convicted.
          Quote: EdwardTich68
          Talk to knowledgeable people.

          Is it anyone that everyone knows? Throw the address, please! The soul burns, well, passion as you want to know the innermost secrets of wide distribution!
          1. EdwardTich68
            EdwardTich68 12 November 2013 03: 12
            0
            What makes you think that there are more homosexuals there than ours? And why do you care so much about this issue? A person who is knowledgeable in Russian, knows, has seen, has been many times outside the country, intelligent, read a lot.
      2. EdwardTich68
        EdwardTich68 11 November 2013 17: 04
        -5
        While there is a steed, see the world. (Genghis Khan)
        1. 11111mail.ru
          11111mail.ru 11 November 2013 19: 05
          +4
          Quote: EdwardTich68
          While there is a steed, see the world. (Genghis Khan)

          A very deep thought! Probably you have some kind of pamplisest on which it is inscribed with your own hand "With genuine TRUE. Temujin" And the date: A.D. 1206.
    2. 11111mail.ru
      11111mail.ru 11 November 2013 18: 46
      +5
      Quote: EdwardTich68
      Are they Protestants, will they become Muslims? Will they exchange their flourishing world for medieval obscurantism?

      About 70 years ago, enlightened Europeans, without much conscience, supported the Fuhrer of the German nation in the fight against the Asian hordes of Bolsheviks, there were SS divisions "Wallonia", "Nederland", "Viking". "Galicia" and Ustasha are also berries of your field!
      The first commander of the Pakistan Air Force was the Pole! The most enlightened and humane Europeans exchanged their ideals for National Socialism!
      Quote: EdwardTich68
      Will they exchange their flourishing world for medieval obscurantism?

      It’s you there, somewhere in GB on the corresponding network, throw a similar question and see: what will the Geyropeytsy answer you!
      YOU still haven't answered my question: why did the THIRD building collapse in New York in September 2001, a little later than the "twin" buildings? Which stealth plane hit the said building? Or m. some unknown cataclysm called PROVOCATION?
      1. EdwardTich68
        EdwardTich68 12 November 2013 03: 28
        -1
        You do not need these perversions of yours, it was a battle of ideologies. Both the Union and the Reich were atheist formations and the emphasis in that period was not determined by religion.
        In the Reich, pagans ruled over old Christian gods.
        The top of the Reich, for some reason, consisted exclusively of Buddhists. Hitler is a Buddhist.
        Let it be known to you. Atheists ruled the Union. Approximately until 1942.
        Atheist, literally translated from Greek the God-wrestler, is anti-god. And only since 1942
        in the most shitty period, Stalin returned to the church. Later, he restored the Patriarchate.
        You shit do not know the history of your country SHAME!
        1. washi
          washi 12 November 2013 11: 53
          +2
          Quote: EdwardTich68
          You do not need these perversions of yours, it was a battle of ideologies. Both the Union and the Reich were atheist formations and the emphasis in that period was not determined by religion.
          In the Reich, pagans ruled over old Christian gods.
          The top of the Reich, for some reason, consisted exclusively of Buddhists. Hitler is a Buddhist.
          Let it be known to you. Atheists ruled the Union. Approximately until 1942.
          Atheist, literally translated from Greek the God-wrestler, is anti-god. And only since 1942
          in the most shitty period, Stalin returned to the church. Later, he restored the Patriarchate.
          You shit do not know the history of your country SHAME!

          Actually, much earlier than 1942.
          Relying on the decisions of the Twelfth Congress of the RCP (B.), Stalin issued a circular letter on August 16, 1923 to all the provincial committees of the RCP (B.), Demanding that the closure of churches and religious arrests be prohibited.
          When the real power was in the hands of Stalin, he decided:
          In relation to religion, ministers of the Russian Orthodox Church and Orthodox believers, the Central Committee decides:
          1) To recognize the practice of the NKVD bodies of the USSR as regards the arrests of ministers of the Russian Orthodox Church and the persecution of believers as inappropriate.
          2) The instruction of comrade Ulyanov (Lenin) of May 1, 1919 for N13666 - 2 "On the fight against priests and religion", addressed to before. Cheka to comrade Dzerzhinsky, and all relevant instructions of the Cheka - OGPU - NKVD regarding the persecution of ministers of the Russian Orthodox Church and Orthodox believers - to cancel.
          EXTRACT FROM THE N98 PROTOCOL OF THE SESSION OF THE POLITICAL Bureau of the Central Committee FROM 11.11.1939
          Decision of November 11, 1939 Religious Issues
          http://www.greatstalin.ru/belief.aspx
          In October 1924, a meeting of secretaries of village cells at the Central Committee of the RCP (B.) Was held in Moscow. At the meeting, Stalin in particular said: “Sometimes some comrades consider the peasants as materialistic philosophers, believing that it is worth giving a lecture on natural science in order to convince the peasant of the non-existence of God. They often do not understand that a man looks at God in a businesslike way, i.e. sometimes a man is not averse to turning his back on God, but he is often torn by doubts: “but who knows, maybe God really exists; wouldn’t it be better to thank both the communist and God so that it would be more reliable for the economy. ” Those who do not take this peculiarity of the psychology of the peasant into account do not understand anything about the relationship between party and non-partisan, he did not understand that in matters of anti-religious propaganda a cautious attitude is required even to the prejudices of the peasant ”[4]. Stalin explicitly points out that the anti-religious struggle in order to achieve the best results and prevent the mobilization of believers should be carried out taking into account the psychology of believers, respect for them, without insulting and humiliating their human dignity.
          http://opium.2bb.ru/viewtopic.php?id=1065
          Stalin did not fight with faith, but with the Church. Communism is incompatible with the parasitic existence of anyone, including the church (which we observe in post-Soviet times).
          If we build a society according to the Orthodox or classical Muslim order, then the clergy should not go to the state and ask for money from the state to ask for new churches, but go to the people, like the early Christians, or take an example from the Order of the Jesuits, which encircled half the globe.
          And with the normal WORK of the churchmen, people themselves will build and the temple and priests will not offend. A clergyman is not only an element of religion, but also a psychotherapist, doctor, teacher, defender of the disadvantaged (I wanted to write offended, but I was careful about the criminalization of vocabulary. Although, it’s precisely offended by the legal authorities (that is, to play the role of party committees))

          And the commercial activities of ALL religious organizations must be prohibited. These are pure NPOs.
          1. 11111mail.ru
            11111mail.ru 12 November 2013 17: 28
            0
            +++. Unfortunately, according to my principles, I can officially add YOU only once, the rest will be completed either by opponents or like-minded people.
            Quote: Vasya
            The churchman is not only an element of religion, but also a psychotherapist, healer, teacher, defender of the disadvantaged

            Shepherd, in a word, if he meets the specified professional qualities. And the main thing is COMPASSION, which has never been observed in professional government officials, and therefore the people turned their backs on the official ideology (not only "communist, but also" democratic "), which made it possible to SUPPRESS Russia under the oligarchs and other domestic and imported scum. that!
          2. 11111mail.ru
            11111mail.ru 12 November 2013 18: 10
            0
            +++, unfortunately I can plus you only once, which I did.
            Quote: Vasya
            The churchman is not only an element of religion, but also a psychotherapist, healer, teacher, defender of the disadvantaged

            Yes, and obliged to empathize with the confessor, for without empathy with all the teachings .... price.
        2. 11111mail.ru
          11111mail.ru 12 November 2013 18: 03
          0
          Quote: EdwardTich68
          Let it be known to you

          You clothe your thoughts in wrappers tested by the written "legalists" at all stages of the development of the civilizing activity of the "higher" in relation to the meager LOWEST. Watch the Soviet film "Kin-dza-dza" at your leisure and try to compare yourself, in the context of the script, with the characters in the film. Well, the spitting image of "Ecelop"! What did the Master say in the New Testament? To the doctor, heal yourself!
          There were more such mentors on my way through life and each tried to utter the highest approved incantations of the bearded communist trinity to establish their own priority over my conscience. But the highly self-intelligent did not manage to bend me and those like me, therefore the Russian people do not lick the genitals of "civilizers".
          I know the history of my country in sufficient volume and quality to convincingly, using examples and facts, to subvert the self-proclaimed whitewash.
          Quote: EdwardTich68
          A SHAME!

          A striking example in the style of the GREAT COMBINATOR! Read "12 chairs". What did Ostap do there when, in front of witnesses, he was convicted of incapacity as a grandmaster?
          I will repeat two of my questions to you:
          1. What caused the destruction of the THIRD building in New York in September 2001? Which plane (invisible) with invisible terrorists destroyed it?
          2. Why do you have a Russian flag in the comments to this article? A week ago, did you work under the Stars and Stripes badge? are you a "citizen of the world"?
          Question No. 3 on quick wits: WHY did the bald maize remove from the serial picture the four bearded men of IV Stalin?
    3. Lesnik
      Lesnik 11 November 2013 23: 30
      0
      Quote: EdwardTich68
      What makes the author think that there is a mass conversion to Islam in Europe and America? Is it Protestants or something
      become Muslims? Will they exchange their flourishing world for medieval obscurantism?

      HESITATE TO ASK AND WHO WILL ASK THEIR laughing
  • zart_arn
    zart_arn 11 November 2013 16: 18
    +5
    Friends! Europe, America, Russia, China, East, West have nothing to do with it. Schizophrenics, paranoiacs and how they were there and always will be everywhere. I think that this is a problem for psychiatrists, we will invite them to address this problem in their forums.
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 11 November 2013 16: 42
      +5
      True, this is a certain stratum of people that has always existed, those who like to rush from one extreme to another. It may not be a completely correct comparison, but for example: before, young people were hippie and Eastern teachings were fashionable, now let's just say, in the West, young people accept Islam, considering it "fashionable".
      1. APES
        APES 11 November 2013 16: 51
        +5
        Quote: RUSS
        young people accept Islam considering it "fashionable


        Question: what will be fashionable tomorrow and who will program this mod?
        1. from punk
          from punk 11 November 2013 21: 01
          +4
          the youth accepts not Islam but the pseudo-values ​​that pseudo preachers invest in them. and to accept traditional Islam you must be able to read, write, think and have your own opinion. And you can put the Bible in an empty head so Islamic extremism seems like a childish prank. No The words Jehad. The war cannot be holy. Like the Crusades against the infidels.
          1. washi
            washi 12 November 2013 12: 08
            0
            Quote: APES
            Quote: RUSS
            young people accept Islam considering it "fashionable

            Question: what will be fashionable tomorrow and who will program this mod?

            Quote: punk
            the youth accepts not Islam but the pseudo-values ​​that pseudo preachers invest in them. and to accept traditional Islam you must be able to read, write, think and have your own opinion. And you can put the Bible in an empty head so Islamic extremism seems like a childish prank. No The words Jehad. The war cannot be holy. Like the Crusades against the infidels.

            But THIS is the problem of the State that rejected any (in accordance with the Constitution) ideology.
            ANY STATE IDEALOGY MUST BE OBLIGATED.
            Otherwise, it is not a state, but a parody.
    2. Setrac
      Setrac 11 November 2013 17: 20
      +3
      Quote: zart_arn
      . I think that this is a problem for psychiatrists, we will invite them to address this problem in their forums.

      You are wrong, the Americans send these fanatics to fight in other countries for money, psychiatry has nothing to do with it.
      1. alone
        alone 11 November 2013 22: 02
        +1
        I am a Muslim. I believe that religion cannot be accepted because it is fashionable! I don’t understand today's youth at all. if tomorrow they say that it’s fashionable to be homosexuals, that now everyone will run to become homosexual?
        1. washi
          washi 12 November 2013 12: 58
          +1
          Quote: lonely
          I am a Muslim. I believe that religion cannot be accepted because it is fashionable! I don’t understand today's youth at all. if tomorrow they say that it’s fashionable to be homosexuals, that now everyone will run to become homosexual?

          I understand you, but that's exactly what happens.
          Under Soviet rule, LOVE was shown in films.
          During the restructuring showed a sexual relationship.
          In the 90s, they began to teach sexual relations in schools and distributed condoms (thanks to the Soros Foundation), reduced the terms for rape, fines for prostitution - the result of this: a drop in the birth rate.
          In the 2000s, active agitation for homosexuality began (TaTu group, etc.)
          No one denies the existence of rape, homosexuality, pedophilia under the USSR, but for this it was a specific long time (it was not for nothing that Beria was accused of mass rape and pedophilia, although this is ridiculous, knowing his workload and loyalty to his wife), and not the fact that before one of them survived the end of the term.
          Now on TV massively show gay pride parades, and according to young people "it's beautiful, why forbid." If we also take into account those who want to break into entertainment structures (show business), where they directly recognize the desirability of heterosexuality ..........
          And it is also necessary to take into account the traditional city ... lism of Greece, Italy (since ancient times) and in English and American classical educational institutions (the "elite" send their children there), in poor Muslim countries (well, there is no money for a ransom), in rich Muslim countries (forbidden, it means you want to. And if you have money, then you need (European education)).
          In short: go .. everywhere.
          Just like in the animal world. There, the male simply asserts himself. There are no two leaders in a pack.
          Only in the "human" do they still enjoy humiliation.
          Although, "Man - it sounds proudly". whoever is fagot is not a man, but his likeness.
  • HAM
    HAM 11 November 2013 16: 18
    11
    Yes, the Europeans themselves are doing everything to spread aggressiveness, all these gay parades, the denial of family values, "tolerance", all this repels normal people and pushes them into the arms of those who proclaim at least some semblance of culture, Oganesyan is right here. ...
  • major071
    major071 11 November 2013 16: 20
    +8
    The problem of radical Islamization itself will not disappear, whether we want it or not. Now, probably, there is not a single country not affected by radical Islam. Brainwashing of young people, and even the older generation, is generating new suicide bombers. How to deal with this, to be honest, I find it difficult to answer, but the problem needs to be solved at the state level. stop
  • Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 11 November 2013 16: 24
    +6
    There are some, probably known to some, internal, deep-seated processes. Everything just looks natural, as soon as a society becomes routine, completely living for itself, it appears, especially on the part of youth, some kind of movement.
    Look at least post-war history. Europe, the USA, etc.-The West, fully recovering from the war and living hearty and calm, like a clap, an explosion of hippies and student unrest. It seems to have calmed down, clap punk, etc. They quenched pop music and computerization, planting at home, clap, Islamist terrorism. I deliberately primitized to make it look convex.
    The same is true in the USSR, by the way.
  • GELEZNII_KAPUT
    GELEZNII_KAPUT 11 November 2013 16: 29
    +3
    European churches are in decline, whoever must fill a religious vacum, Islam fills, I wonder why Orthodox priests do not itch ?! request
    1. maxvik
      maxvik 11 November 2013 16: 43
      +1
      And what do you demand from them? Roughly speaking, advise how specifically it is necessary to itch. Or maybe you should scratch yourself?
      1. GELEZNII_KAPUT
        GELEZNII_KAPUT 11 November 2013 18: 26
        0
        Quote: maxvik
        And what do you demand from them? Roughly speaking, advise how specifically it is necessary to itch. Or maybe you should scratch yourself?

        You can open more churches in Europe.
        1. consul
          consul 11 November 2013 22: 02
          +3
          Quote: GELEZNII_KAPUT
          open more churches

          Until a person begins to gravitate toward God, even though everything around them will stand empty, this is not a matter of external action, but of internal movement, coupled with human free will.
    2. EdwardTich68
      EdwardTich68 11 November 2013 17: 26
      +1
      A question of faith for Muslims, not a question, it is a question for Christians. They, as more internally, free people have the right to choose. Why should the Orthodox "itch" for other tribes, if, after almost complete destruction in Russia, they are back on horseback.
      1. 11111mail.ru
        11111mail.ru 11 November 2013 19: 42
        +2
        Quote: EdwardTich68
        Why should the Orthodox "itch" for other tribes, if, after almost complete destruction in Russia, they are back on horseback.

        Really? Even Uncle Joe, in 1941, addressed the citizens of the USSR with the words: "Brothers and sisters ...". And he, as you know, was the real leader of Russia!
        What "horse" are the Orthodox prancing on again? Budyonnovskaya breed? Akhal-Teke? Arabic? English? Name at least two or three members of the D.A.M. government who would have confessed to their spiritual father at least for the period from November 2012 to November 2013, and who could clearly quote the SYMBOL OF FAITH from memory.
        Unlike the Naglo-Saxons, the Orthodox took part in the destruction of the "prison of peoples" on both sides of the front, to the delight of the ideologues of the collapse of Russia 20 years earlier than the GB granted independence to the same "pearl of the British crown."
        Quote: EdwardTich68
        The question of faith is for Muslims, not a question, it is a question for Christians. They, as more internally, free people, have the right to choose.

        Visit any Shiite mosque anywhere in Iraq, try to convey your idea of ​​the right to choose to any of the creators who are praying! You will receive (mainly on the face) an appropriate answer. Then do the same procedure in a Sunni mosque, in the same democratically equipped USA Iraq. The result of assessing the freedom of choice will also be reflected not only on your "face", but also on other components of your "body". And these pragmatists will most likely choose $, because they are fed on this bait, on yours and spells they are deeply in ...!
  • Samsebenaum
    Samsebenaum 11 November 2013 16: 34
    +6
    I wanted to comment, but I realized that it’s better than Andrei Kuraev, I won’t say it.
    All in topic, all in ten.
    As a professional, I will say that psychologists are in the first place.
    NLP - technologies, introduction to trance, downloading and anchoring of necessary words and phrases, familiarization with a clan of brothers and sisters, paraphernalia, daily recitation of mantra prayers in a certain rhythm, etc. they simply zombify a person by blocking logic and an adequate attitude.
    These technologies are widely known.
    Thus, a person can be manipulated: forced to invest in MMM, vote for the chosen one, become a member of the sect ... and much more.
    Dzhemal, as always, in places carefully cunning.
    Why Orthodox ministers do not itch, there was a question ...
    I think faith does not allow living with aggression. Only with love in my heart. The Bible also has this.
    Even during wars they don’t take up arms ... Like that.
    I put the article + for relevance.
    1. maxvik
      maxvik 11 November 2013 16: 46
      0
      Quote: Samsebenum
      I think faith does not allow living with aggression. Only with love in my heart. The Bible also has this. Even during wars, they don’t take up arms ... Like that.

      This is a generalized conclusion or about specific people. When the Orthodox refused to defend their homeland and where is this prohibition in Scripture.
      1. Samsebenaum
        Samsebenaum 11 November 2013 16: 50
        0
        maxvik
        Read the text carefully. One missing word and the meaning is changing. I spoke only of clergymen ...
        1. maxvik
          maxvik 11 November 2013 17: 16
          0
          Well, I ask, including about the clergy. Here is the first available link http://www.pravmir.ru/veterany-svyashhenniki-i-monaxini/. There, at least two ministers in the dignity participated in the BD. I think not everything is clear here.
          In general, I agree with you, but I think that the point is not in the weapon. Many of our clergymen are "scratching themselves", only their weapons are different. And so we can still resist evil.
          1. consul
            consul 11 November 2013 22: 19
            0
            Quote: maxvik
            ... about the clergy

            After the adoption of the holy dignity, the clergyman is forbidden to shed blood (even hen cannot be slaughtered), since he brings a bloodless sacrifice at the service. Those who have committed criminal murder are not allowed to accept the dignity; the destruction of the enemy in the war, while defending the Fatherland, is not an obstacle to the holy dignity. I have two friend-priests fought in the Caucasus before dignity (one without a leg on a prosthesis).
    2. Toporkoff
      Toporkoff 11 November 2013 16: 51
      +1
      Why Orthodox ministers do not itch, there was a question ...

      We must scratch
      I think faith does not allow living with aggression. Only with love in my heart. The Bible also has this.

      Doesn't allow living with malice, but there is always righteous anger. very good lecture from A.I. Osipov "Peace and War".
      Even during wars they don’t take up arms ... Like that.

      Are you ara protestants? then yes, if about the Orthodox - then this is an insult.
      1. Samsebenaum
        Samsebenaum 11 November 2013 18: 35
        +2
        Toporkoff
        Dear, it makes no sense to get naughty and naughty.

        Not picking up weapons does not mean not fighting evil.
        Many clergymen were awarded orders and medals for helping the wounded, partisans, and calls on believers to defend their land. For the organization of clandestine groups and meeting places of the underground, for harboring escaped prisoners, for intelligence ...
        Many died while doing their duty.
        Go to the Andrei Kuravin forum http://kuraev.ru/smf/index.php?topic=595933.0

        And once again, stop, in your own way, distort the meaning of comments.
  • vahatak
    vahatak 11 November 2013 16: 45
    -1
    How much time already do some people in Russia dream of eliminating the West? Maybe it's better to solve your problems? Or are there no other problems besides the West?
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 11 November 2013 16: 46
    0
    How many demons from around the world have gathered there in Syria (100-200 thousand) Horror! Hold on Assad! We help as much as we can but really not yet ..
    1. EdwardTich68
      EdwardTich68 11 November 2013 18: 05
      0
      You are mistaken in numbers: the backbone of 10-15 thousand young and early from the homeland of the Prophet and his
      20 thousand bandits.
      1. 11111mail.ru
        11111mail.ru 11 November 2013 19: 57
        0
        Quote: EdwardTich68
        and their bandits thousand 20.

        Well, why are you so called uplifters (British-Yusovsk-Saudi-Qatari) bandits? The leaders of the fosterlings I mentioned may sue you for not tolerance! You have somehow softerly designated them: well, like lovers of a fresh liver, chemists-mischievous people with a criminal bias! And then right away: the bandits ...
        Yes, there’s another question for you: a week ago (it means seven days ago) next to your nickname (just to the right of it) was the American flag marked?
        Therefore, you now have two questions from me:
        1. Who blew up the third building in New York in September 2001?
        2. What did the badge of the leading democratic power of the 21st century not suit you?
  • Lesnik
    Lesnik 11 November 2013 16: 49
    +2
    Europe is degenerating. There is not a national idea but just a common goal.
    Liberation, consumerism are the modern values ​​of Western Europe.
    Another 20 years and the hijab will be the everyday clothing of decrepit Europeans, an attempt to assimilate robotic robots has come to nothing, the children of the emigrants do not want and will not work, and therefore there will be no one to keep European pensioners.
    Europeans will simply die out, because emancipated women stupidly do not want to give birth or raise children, they all have it anyway.
  • Ahmed Osmanov
    Ahmed Osmanov 11 November 2013 16: 54
    0
    "Self-liquidation of the West" is nonsense. Moreover, Islam in Western countries is tightly controlled. Australia (not entirely Western, but still the closest ally), for example, say radical Islam (I emphasize - radical) and they will give you a suitcase in hand, buy a ticket to the Middle East and arrange in a cave laughing

    And so, of course, Assad must be helped in confronting the evil of the world, with everything we can!
  • predator.3
    predator.3 11 November 2013 17: 08
    +1
    And three years ago, the rapper suddenly went into religion, changed his name - first to Abu Malik, then to Abu Tala al-Almani and went to Syria to fight on the side of the rebels.


    “Recently, my beloved man was talking with my 8-year-old son and 5-year-old daughter. He asked them what they want to become when they grow up. How happy I was when both answered that they want to be Mujahideen ... Allah blessed me and gave me the best husband who lives the life of the Mujahideen, showing all the wrong people the right way - the way of death. "


    Yes, they completely demolished the tower!
  • GrayL
    GrayL 11 November 2013 17: 25
    +4
    They overthrew their gods, and now they are surprised ... About Christ only the lazy in Europe did not say any vileness, and we trampled for several decades ... So we are reaping the benefits, who want to believe in our God then ... ourselves something like ...
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    1. DAGESTAN333
      DAGESTAN333 11 November 2013 18: 17
      +3
      It's a shame. Sorry. I hope we have a chance to prove the opposite.
  • Yeraz
    Yeraz 11 November 2013 17: 53
    +2
    What is surprising is a degrading society where homosexuality and the Beleberd are considered normal, and Christianity sleeps, that’s where people are drawn to Islam. Islam is strong and it will crush these rich but immoral societies, and their technological development will not save them.
    The tendency in Russia, prosau Russia is late and is at the stage of actively adopting Western systems and values, just look at the programs and what people say, then stage 2 will come to a complete end, Muslims with the help of Islam can resist this, and most Christians do not. a small fraction of normal Orthodox Christians, whom I fortunately know everything is super, and children have at least moral concepts about family and women, dress closed, how to behave, and they have excellent contact with Muslims because they know very well what Christianity is, and what is Islam.
  • AnpeL
    AnpeL 11 November 2013 17: 57
    0
    According to Kuraev, adherents of traditional Islam are too passive. This is what the adherents of radical movements, who work around the world, using the most effective methods of psychological impact on humans, use it.

    Yeah, and even when the struggle against extremist Islam is being waged, this is understood by traditional adherents of Islam as a struggle against Islam in all its manifestations and forms. And therefore, even without ideological treatment, they often become dangerous adjacent to extremists
  • Ivan Tarasov
    Ivan Tarasov 11 November 2013 18: 00
    0
    Incorrect title - mantra.
    Not radical, but pseudo-Islam.
    Call a spade a spade, enough Western spells to read.
  • Stinger
    Stinger 11 November 2013 18: 05
    +1
    Kuraev, of course, is a great philosopher. But Marx no less, having written in his article "On the Critique of Hegel's Philosophy of Law": "... a theory becomes a material force as soon as it takes possession of the masses. A theory is capable of taking possession of the masses when it proves ad hominem (translated from Latin: a proof applied to a given person. It means that a theory should meet the immediate interests and needs of each person to whom it is addressed.) and it proves ad hominem when it becomes radical. To be radical means to understand a thing at its root. But the root is for a person the man himself ... ". And considering Schopenhauer's: "The overwhelming majority of people are not able to think independently, but only to believe, and not able to obey reason, but only to have power." one can only hope for enlightenment. For, as I. Kant said, "There are such delusions that cannot be refuted. It is necessary to inform the delusional mind such knowledge that will enlighten it. Then delusions will disappear by themselves."
    1. Igor39
      Igor39 11 November 2013 18: 24
      0
      I completely agree with you. Education enlightens.
    2. 11111mail.ru
      11111mail.ru 11 November 2013 20: 15
      0
      Quote: Stinger
      To the criticism of the Hegelian philosophy of law

      Bravo! Well honestly, no jokes! + testified to your rating. Yes, but for the 50% of people who write here, you run the risk of getting an answer about like Timur Sultanovich Shaov’s in a song about philosophy:
      And you do not poke your mind and do not scare your gang!
      Nietzsche, Fichtel, Hegel with Kant and, having joined them, Ilyich!
      And about the victory of a specific idea - only after the extinction of approximately 60% of adherents (not all, as skeptics write, 60-65% are enough). A generation later, the old fetishes are leveled (without appropriate recharge) to the level of white noise. Well, excuse me, dear, if I’m not so sitting, I’m not whistling so ...
  • Danilka
    Danilka 11 November 2013 18: 46
    +2
    Quote: Forestman
    Europe is degenerating. There is not a national idea but just a common goal.
    Liberation, consumerism are the modern values ​​of Western Europe.
    Another 20 years and the hijab will be the everyday clothing of decrepit Europeans, an attempt to assimilate robotic robots has come to nothing, the children of the emigrants do not want and will not work, and therefore there will be no one to keep European pensioners.
    Europeans will simply die out, because emancipated women stupidly do not want to give birth or raise children, they all have it anyway.

    Fuhrer needs a new one wassat PS Joke! God forbid! Of course I think-let them bend the geyrop and rightly. But no! Then there will be problems for Russia near by
  • Proud.
    Proud. 11 November 2013 19: 07
    0
    And three years ago, the rapper suddenly went into religion, changed his name - first to Abu Malik, then to Abu Tala al-Almani and went to Syria to fight on the side of the rebels.How innocent Cassius Clay looks, who became Mohamed Ali.
  • Strashila
    Strashila 11 November 2013 19: 09
    0
    European politicians are trying to repeat the action of centuries ago, the destruction of Byzantium ... by the hands of Muslims to destroy Orthodoxy. The radical decisions of migration policy are held by Christians of this or that concession ... but not Orthodox, we all saw the tragedy of Yugoslavia and Serbia ... all the turmoil in the Middle East ... Orthodox Christians are the first to suffer.Only a vital question arises, but in Russia, our rulers of what faith ???
  • bubla5
    bubla5 11 November 2013 19: 09
    0
    Needless to say, whose clever head populates Europe and Russia with southerners, if earlier we could still suppress the activities of many terrorist * groups * by color and speech, then for 10 years already migrants and the like have infiltrated all spheres of activity of Russians, and who is who will be more difficult to recognize
  • sashka
    sashka 11 November 2013 19: 39
    +1
    Funny .. Self-liquidation of Russia.
    Only kaolin brings you dreams
    Sleep Heroes of the Russian WAR ,,
    And who remembers?
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  • sashka
    sashka 11 November 2013 19: 47
    0
    On the Hills of Manchuria. Has anyone heard? ... Or listened? Before yelling about Patriotism?. We are not so "simple" .. Not 1 / 6sushi, but the whole world would be ours.
    1. polly
      polly 11 November 2013 23: 51
      +1
      I know from childhood. Wonderful waltz "On the Hills of Manchuria" about the heroes of the Russian-Japanese war. Thanks for reminding me!

      Quietly around.
      The hills are covered with mist.
      The moon flashed from behind the clouds.
      Graves keep peace.

      Crosses turn white
      This is the heroes sleeping.
      Past shadows swirl and reappear
      They say about the victims of the fighting.

      Crying, crying mother dear,
      A young wife is crying.
      Everyone cries like one person
      His rock and fate swear.

      Quietly around.
      The wind blew the fog.
      On the hills of the Manchu warriors sleep
      And Russians don’t hear tears.

      Let kaolin
      You have dreams.
      Sleep, heroes of the Russian land,
      Motherland native sons.

      You fell for Russia,
      Died for the Fatherland.
      Believe us, we will avenge you
      And celebrate the bloody fever!
  • Arkan
    Arkan 11 November 2013 20: 09
    0
    The upbringing of a citizen begins in the family, where the children meet and live according to the traditions of their people and country. In the geyropa, everything has long been destroyed, and the family, and traditional Christian values. It is only the geyropeyts themselves who are guilty or guilty, and not some dark forces. Instead of all that was their mentality, a vacuum formed. Nature does not tolerate emptiness, and the vacuum is not always filled, kind and bright, and often evil and black (less effort is needed). The youth of the geyropa is disoriented, so it pokes like a blind kitten, falling into all extremes. For us, for Russians, it is important to adhere to traditional values, otherwise, the example of geyropa is evident.

    But who are we and where are we from
    When from all those years
    There are gossip
    Are we in the world?
    Almost a requiem for Europe.
  • Arkan
    Arkan 11 November 2013 20: 09
    +1
    The upbringing of a citizen begins in the family, where the children meet and live according to the traditions of their people and country. In the geyropa, everything has long been destroyed, and the family, and traditional Christian values. It is only the geyropeyts themselves who are guilty or guilty, and not some dark forces. Instead of all that was their mentality, a vacuum formed. Nature does not tolerate emptiness, and the vacuum is not always filled, kind and bright, and often evil and black (less effort is needed). The youth of the geyropa is disoriented, so it pokes like a blind kitten, falling into all extremes. For us, for Russians, it is important to adhere to traditional values, otherwise, the example of geyropa is evident.

    But who are we and where are we from
    When from all those years
    There are gossip
    Are we in the world?
    Almost a requiem for Europe.
  • Savva30
    Savva30 11 November 2013 20: 37
    0
    Of all the wars that the peoples waged between themselves by fire and sword, the religious ones were the most bloody.
    E. Haeckel
  • Bashkaus
    Bashkaus 11 November 2013 20: 40
    +1
    For me personally, there is no doubt where the truth is.

    Corinthians 13: 4-7
    “Love is long-suffering, merciful, love does not envy, love is not exalted, not proud, does not act outrageously, does not seek its own, does not get irritated, does not think evil, does not rejoice in unrighteousness, but rejoices in truth; it covers everything, believes everything, hopes everything, transfers everything. ”


    Matthew 5
    43 You heard what is said: love your neighbor and hate your enemy.
    44 But I tell you: love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who offend you and persecute you,
    45 that you may be the sons of your Heavenly Father, for he commands his sun to rise above the evil and the good, and sends rain upon the righteous and unrighteous.
    46 For if you love those who love you, what is your reward? Do tax collectors do the same?
    47 And if you salute only your brothers, what are you doing special? Do the Gentiles do the same?

    48 So be perfect, as your Heavenly Father is perfect.
  • Savva30
    Savva30 11 November 2013 20: 41
    0
    The West, Europe go through debauchery, debauchery leads to weakness and fear, disease, suicide, to other negative trends ... no one canceled natural selection ....
  • Alexandr0id
    Alexandr0id 11 November 2013 20: 43
    +1
    Political scientists started talking about such a phenomenon as Eurabia, predicting that in a couple of decades a new caliphate would be built on the wreckage of the Old World.

    the word "caliphate" is used by all and sundry, as soon as two Arabs get together to smoke hashish - that's it, the caliphate. of course, what else?
    some fool.
  • studentmati
    studentmati 11 November 2013 21: 56
    0
    Self-liquidation of the West. Why do they accept radical Islam in the USA and Europe?

    Why, more than 200 years ago, the American continent received the boats of Columbus and his friends?

    Mathematical laws are irrefutable, quantity always goes into quality!
  • alone
    alone 11 November 2013 22: 07
    +1
    Wahhabism is a product of British intelligence. So the death of a Wahhabi jihadist can be considered the death of a potential English intelligence!
    1. DimYang
      DimYang 11 November 2013 22: 29
      +1
      Interesting interpretation.
      1. negeroi
        negeroi 12 November 2013 07: 34
        +1
        And why is there interpretation? You will be amazed at how much the British spent on creating religious movements, and the most ancient History. In order to have an ideological and religious justification for their presence, in different regions, the British essentially wrote the whole of the so-called Ancient Egyptian, and Sumerian, and even ancient Greek History. Moreover, by archaeologists and this is not a figure of speech, but in the literal sense, the main and main discoverers of archaeological values ​​and objects, in Egypt, Palestine, Persia, the Ottoman Empire, were top British intelligence officers. At archaeological surveys in Baghdad and Babylon, a resident of intelligence received in the middle of the 19th century ... think about 500 million pounds. Count on the sums of today. Nobody has ever spent such sums either on science or on archeology in particular. Not every state is capable of to put such money into space. People are very seriously and thoughtfully approaching issues of religion and ideology, not letting go of their own accord. Marx and other socialists ideological ideologists are examples of this. There is not a single revolution where there would be no British tails. Now in the most remote areas of Kyrgyzstan, Uzbekistan, Mongolia and in many other countries, where the local administration is not frequent and mythological, there are dozens of humanitarian English speakers organizations.
        1. DimYang
          DimYang 12 November 2013 13: 56
          0
          Yes, by the way. I am well aware that the British stigma sticks out wherever it is necessary to hide the truth or to crap with far-reaching strategic goals.
  • voliador
    voliador 12 November 2013 03: 53
    +1
    Who cares what religion fanatics belong to? A Jew or a Muslim will blow up something - the break-in will not become smaller. Therefore, any religion is evil. And as Ilf and Petrov correctly wrote, opium for the people.
  • Known who
    Known who 12 November 2013 05: 48
    0
    Europe is reaping the fruits of a lack of ideas, degradation of the church and tolerance. The lack of assimilation mechanisms, the acceptance of migrants in the form in which they arrive in European countries, without planting, crushing Western values ​​and leads to the development of radical Islamist movements.
    Russia urgently needs to restructure its migration legislation as the stratification of society in Russia is much greater and the standard of living is much lower than in Europe, which creates conditions for the development of radicalism. It is necessary to assimilate arriving migrants only under the patronage of traditional confessions, if you want even "licensed" pastors with the obligatory responsibility of the national diasporas for the actions of specific people.
    When organizing migration, in my opinion, it is necessary to give preference to the Slavs by chance finding themselves abroad Russia.
    Only the imposition of a national idea, including through representatives of the national religion, can preserve the integrity of the country and contribute to the peaceful coexistence of different ethnic and religious groups.
  • negeroi
    negeroi 12 November 2013 07: 17
    0
    For at least 500 years, Europe has been the generator of Ideas and the locomotive of Mankind. For these 500 years, there have been wars and revolutions in Europe, the ups and downs of individual states and unions, and only in the 20th century did Europe have a new master from overseas. before that, Europe had for many many years a British shepherd, and that did not make Europe weak or stupid. You bury Europe early, gentlemen, comrades. If Europe comes to kirdyk, it will not seem to anyone. So it’s strange to hear the gloating in the forecasts. Europe will cope with illegal migration and with its radicals, as it has more than once coped with various misfortunes. They for this reason united together to make dad, then bishku uterus (Russia) was handy to beat, then it turned out that separately not to survive. And they will survive, where will they get from the submarine? Absolutely similarly with us, we ourselves will defend Europe. Because if they are kirdyk, then we won’t get worse in the fire, we’ll burn nafih. We don’t have to consider others to be more foolish. about a very dangerous error. And most of the comments are based on the belief in the stupidity and stupidity of European brains.
  • Enjoy
    Enjoy 12 November 2013 08: 48
    0
    Quote: domokl
    You confuse suicide and death in a battle for faith ... Suicide bombers are just the second category. And here everything is exactly the opposite. Whoever dies for faith in battle (the form of battle is not regulated) goes straight to heaven, regardless of past sins ... Christians have exactly the same ...

    And how to explode in a bus with people who did nothing wrong, women and children, became "die for faith"?! I want to go to heaven in this way - I went out onto the roof of a high-rise building and jumped like a 14-year-old idiot after a quarrel with a guy. No one was hurt. Unless the janitor needs extra problems.

    And it can cut the throats of the same unarmed Christians in Syria, and then die in the nearest ditch from the air raid "die for faith"?!

    Do you have any religious views? And it may be, in your opinion, that most of the Russians can and should be blown up in a dream or on the way home, because in your opinion it’s the same "die for faith"?!

    In the place of a moderator, I would ban for such a pearl without talking
  • individual
    individual 12 November 2013 09: 51
    0
    It happened or it did, but every religion is a struggle of opposites:
    The struggle of light and darkness;
    Confrontation of love and hate;
    The fight of God with Satan.
    In modern human civilization, light has won, but it alternates "at night".
    So is it in our own strengths to maintain this harmony?
    Or will there be darkness without options?
  • negeroi
    negeroi 12 November 2013 10: 31
    +1
    "In modern human civilization, light has won the victory"

    Bravo-bravo! Commendable optimism. It only seems to me that there are questions for eyesight. The world is heading towards Devil with increasing speed. Yes, and the luminiferous we have Lucifer. Not everything in religion is like dominoes, or rather contrasting explanation on the fingers. And if not on fingers, then there’s no darkness at all, and it’s not very simple. The only immutable thing is to measure it with each measure. So if a person believes in his rightness .. that’s right. There are a lot of truths.
  • Caveman
    Caveman 12 November 2013 11: 22
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    it’s much more interesting who is behind these extremists, who controls them and what they want ... who are these puppeteers? we all see how a certain goal is achieved, but what is this goal?
  • erofich
    erofich 12 November 2013 12: 19
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    In my opinion, the basics of religious education are necessary only without goats in the garden. An ordinary teacher explains or reads well-known suras from the Qur'an, the Gospel, compares them, explains their meaning. Horned in the garden is either priests or mullahs. Especially with Rolexes on hand.
  • washi
    washi 12 November 2013 13: 38
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    “So after all, all Muslims were once non-Muslims,” the chairman of the Islamic Committee of Russia, Heydar Jemal, ironically. - In the XNUMXth century, these people would become Socialist-Revolutionaries or Social Democrats. But the left discourse lost, Marxism went bankrupt as a protest ideology. And political Islam today is a large-scale, promising, global trend. Islamists, as they say, are in trend. ”
    From here we can conclude:
    1. The capitalists are ready to sell us the rope on which we hang them. (It was earlier)
    http://forum.lingvo.ru/actualthread.aspx?tid=76766
    2. These decided to hang themselves, ditching the counterweight to their Anglo-Saxon (Protestant ideology)
    If we take into account the time difference between the emergence of Christianity, its division into Orthodox and Catholics, and the separation of Protestants from Catholicism and the division into sects, the division of Orthodoxy into old and new rituals, the division into new sects, then all this must be taken into account when forming the Muslim direction of Jeduism.
    The creation of a Muslim religion, offshoots of Islam - Sunnis, Shiites, an outpouring of the Wahhabis, that is, if we take into account the time difference, a "Wahhabite" campaign awaits us. As it has already been in history on the part of Catholics.
    Wars between Orthodox (Orthodox) and Catholics. "Crusades". Branch of Preachers (Protestant Wars).
    Sorry for the confusion, but there was no time to form a literary.
  • Cap Evidence
    Cap Evidence 22 January 2014 12: 21
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    I believe theological debate in this matter is simply not appropriate. Everyone has long known that all the charms of Wahhabism-terrorism come from Saudi Arabia, which cooperates very closely with the CIA and MI6 (we look at the history of Wahhabism), therefore the question arises, why do Western intelligence agencies need to spread this trend around the world? what are their goals? These questions should be answered in order to stop the green plague.