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Shaman: Airborne vehicles will replace the BTR-82 and "Tigers"

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Obsolete tracked armored vehicles that are in service with the Russian Airborne Forces will be replaced with new BTR-82 armored personnel carriers and Tigr armored vehicles in the future, said Airborne Troops Commander Colonel-General Vladimir Shamanov.


According to him, he plans to visit the KamAZ plant in Naberezhnye Chelny next week to get acquainted with new samples of wheeled vehicles produced. “They want to show their new developments in the framework of the Typhoon development work,” said the commander of the Airborne Forces, ITAR-TASS reports.

A number of Airborne Forces units are planned to be transferred to the BTR-82, and reconnaissance units to be adapted to the Tigr vehicles. “But with them it is still necessary to conduct tests for landing,” Shamanov said.

According to him, the Airborne Troops Command will resolve all these issues in 2014.

Shamans arrived in Ulan-Ude on Thursday to inspect the 11 of the separate assault landing brigade before its transfer to the Airborne Forces.

The commander signed the acts on the transfer of the assault assault brigades to the 11 (Ulan-Ude) and 83 (Ussuriysk) airborne brigades, the 56 brigade (Kamyshin) transfer certificate will be signed in Moscow. On Monday, these documents will be forwarded to the General Staff of the RF Armed Forces for approval.

The material and technical equipment of a separate 11 of the airborne assault brigade in Ulan-Ude will be significantly improved after its incorporation into the Airborne Forces, Shamanov said. According to him, “of course, it affects that for the last three and a half years, the educational and material base was supported on enthusiasm and at the expense of sponsorship, which were quite scarce. It is necessary to re-equip the material base so that it meets modern requirements. ”

He added that the newly formed part of the airborne troops will be completed in accordance with the tasks arising from the troops.

“New tasks will appear because the Airborne Forces will be preparing for use, including an independent grouping,” Shamanov said.
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  1. savantol
    savantol 8 November 2013 09: 27
    0
    They write only about the future, it’s just got tired already, write when replace, and so on in all the tests (replace, install, fix, etc.).
    1. Beibit
      Beibit 8 November 2013 09: 39
      -2
      This is called feed hope ... They say: we will do everything, everything will be in the future, but for now we are reforming the RAS, education, etc. etc.
    2. Mitek
      Mitek 8 November 2013 09: 39
      13
      Have you been in units for a long time? Everywhere where there has been a re-equipment or training of specialists for it. Moreover, I will say a little for medicine. In our region, modern equipment was purchased for hospitals (it already exists, it is in the shipping container), so they faced the problem of the lack of specialists to work on this equipment. Hastily sent to study) And such roads as they are now, even under the Soviet regime were not. (I do not live in Sochi)
      1. nemec55
        nemec55 8 November 2013 10: 15
        -3
        And there were no such roads as now, even during the Soviet era. (I do not live in Sochi)

        Do you live in Germany ,,,,, ????
        1. nemec55
          nemec55 8 November 2013 12: 09
          +2
          Two minuses one from ruble another from the Kremlin
      2. SV
        SV 8 November 2013 20: 26
        +4
        And there were no such roads as now, even during the Soviet era. (I live not in Sochi) [/ quote]
        that's right, so much dough "mastered", but everything is quiet here: no normal roads, no salaries, no-x-na (eastern Siberia)
    3. seller trucks
      seller trucks 8 November 2013 09: 54
      +1
      I was now interested in the whole of 2013, they said that Ivek's "Lynx" might be acquired / transferred (?) to Uncle Vasya's units for scouts and special forces, how difficult it is in this situation to talk about the unification of equipment and "Lynx" and "Tiger" or all Was Shamanov "inclined" to a domestic manufacturer?
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 8 November 2013 10: 16
        +7
        Ivekovskaya "Lynx" - a pure replacement for BRDM. The main task is reconnaissance of routes for the advancement of "big guys". No more. Attempts to transfer infantry from normal infantry fighting vehicles, armored personnel carriers and even BMD to "Lynx" and "Tigers" will inevitably reduce the combat capabilities of the units. Every vegetable has its own garden.
        1. Prapor-527
          Prapor-527 8 November 2013 22: 58
          0
          Does 'Wolf' not solve the problem?
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 9 November 2013 00: 03
            +1
            Only as a replacement for the BRDM. I remember when I was still in school I studied three states of motorized riflemen - on BMP, on armored personnel carriers and on cars. "Thanks to" reductions, motorists disappeared even under Gorbachev. Should I return to them? The battalion even on old BMP-1 or BTR-70 is a head taller than the battalion on "Tigers", "Wolves" or "Lynx"
            1. No_more
              No_more 11 November 2013 20: 27
              0
              And how to solve / is there a problem with the fact that the Tigers do not swim? I don’t know, but I can only guess that there are no pontoon systems for the airborne forces. BRDM could overcome the water barrier like the rest of the airborne vehicles.
              I don’t see a point in reconnaissance, which cannot go where the main forces can, because it is reconnaissance, in order to move ahead.
    4. nemec55
      nemec55 8 November 2013 10: 13
      -3
      That's right by 2025 blah blah blah K 2030 blah blah blah. And the corn will not pop out on the tongue.
    5. Migari
      Migari 8 November 2013 11: 46
      +5
      New weapons are being received by all branches of the armed forces, but in small batches, but progressing, the pace is growing, defense production is being updated after enormous difficulties, there are great difficulties with highly qualified personnel, and we have only lawyers and economists, and those are fake, and it’s not possible to produce military equipment bake pies.
      1. alone
        alone 8 November 2013 21: 25
        +3
        what I wonder how an armored vehicle "Tiger" can be replaced in battle, say, a BMD-2?

        I represent a tiger on which a 30 mm 2A42 gun was mounted, coaxial and 7,62 mm PKT machine guns, and also the 9M111 Fagot or 9M113 Konkurs anti-tank missile system. belay
        1. No_more
          No_more 11 November 2013 20: 22
          0
          Replaces to the first water barrier.
  2. major071
    major071 8 November 2013 09: 29
    +8
    Good news. For a long time, the rearmament of the landing was asking. Now the most important thing is that money is allocated and delivery contracts are fulfilled on time.
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 8 November 2013 09: 40
      +5
      I agree, but I think Shamanov will break through both money and deadlines. The man is FLASH.
  3. Gardamir
    Gardamir 8 November 2013 09: 31
    0
    What is done. then made a tiger. so a tiger. But since the time of the Great Victory, a little time has passed, the veterans are alive. It is not clear who called the tiger? Are there any little animals in Russia? For example: lynx, wolverine, wolf ...
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 8 November 2013 09: 59
      +2
      Quote: Gardamir
      It is not clear who called the tiger?

      Tigers in the Far East also remained. And the tiger is the most powerful cat, in my name it fits. hi
      1. Bigriver
        Bigriver 8 November 2013 17: 45
        +3
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        Tigers in the Far East also remained. And the tiger is the most powerful cat, in my name it fits. hi

        And the Russian Far Eastern tiger is the most powerful tiger from all over the world.
        You even meet footprints in the taiga - it becomes uncomfortable belay laughing
  4. Lopatov
    Lopatov 8 November 2013 09: 33
    +2
    He did not think powerfully. What is the point of replacing an awl with soap?
  5. mark1
    mark1 8 November 2013 09: 34
    +8
    It is planned to transfer a number of Airborne Forces units to the BTR-82, and reconnaissance units to adapt to Tiger vehicles.
    I, of course, am not a great specialist, but all the same - which of the "tiger" reconnaissance vehicle? Can it still be the correct direction of the BRDM to develop or use the BMD base?
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 8 November 2013 09: 37
      +4
      Quote: mark1
      which of the "tiger" reconnaissance vehicle?

      None. Dear armored UAZ.
    2. donavi49
      donavi49 8 November 2013 10: 16
      +3
      Well, if you put a reconnaissance module, then it will be a good reconnaissance. If you put the Cornet, it will be anti-tank. If you put inside the airborne reconnaissance - it will also be reconnaissance wassat .

      BRDM is dead. BMD is redundant. We are talking about the wheeled units of the Airborne Forces, which do not land with equipment behind the enemy’s back. The tiger and BTR-82 here will be more economical, more appropriate and more convenient, with similar, and sometimes even greater efficiency.
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 8 November 2013 10: 18
        +4
        Quote: donavi49
        We are talking about the wheeled units of the Airborne Forces, which do not land with equipment behind the enemy’s back.

        What will they do then? Used as a degraded infantry?
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 8 November 2013 11: 09
          +3
          The same as the Airborne Forces did in Georgia 888. From the place of permanent deployment to the aerodrome closest to the conflict zone, and further on wheels, a raid on the rear.
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 8 November 2013 11: 24
            +5
            There were no independent "raids on the rear" this time. They were on BMD this two. The presence in the RF Armed Forces is unacceptable, these are three.

            In the Russian Army, at the moment, only airborne assault brigades are so light. Like Kamyshinskaya. But this is due to the peculiarities of their combat use - they are intended for helicopter landing. Which was successfully completed in the second Chechen war. At the same time, practice showed their insufficient armament. But not by means of transportation, armored KamAZ trucks will be enough for them. They need portable weapons with sufficient combat capability. In order not to collect the calculations of the "Bassoons" with installations throughout the "West" grouping.

            Transplanting them to a "tiger" and an armored personnel carrier-82 is like flooding a potbelly stove with banknotes
            1. Serg 122
              Serg 122 8 November 2013 22: 43
              -1
              There were no independent "raids on the rear" this time. They were on BMD this two.

              Looks like you are not aware of what was really happening there. And the first was and went to BMP and not BMD. Learn materiel
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 9 November 2013 00: 05
                +2
                The infantry went to the BMP. For example, the battalion of 693 regiment, which provided the advancement of paratroopers. And intervened, as you know.
                For example, here:

                Left - BMP-2 of the 9th company of the 693rd. On the right, you must think the "BMP" paratroopers. True, I have never seen such people in my life, I really need to learn the materiel.
  6. Alexey Prikazchikov
    Alexey Prikazchikov 8 November 2013 10: 03
    0
    Tigers are likely to go to dshb.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 8 November 2013 10: 11
      +2
      Instead of helicopters? What is the meaning?
  7. Marek Rozny
    Marek Rozny 8 November 2013 10: 10
    +2
    It will turn out like in Kazakhstan, where in the Airmobile Troops (ex-Airborne Forces) BMDs are not used absolutely, but only armored personnel carriers (incl. BTR-82A), infantry fighting vehicles and a range of armored vehicles (Humvee, Land Rover, Otokar Kobra).
    Our tigers are a purely explosive machine.
    Z.Y. BTR-4 will now enter the troops, though I don’t know who will receive them. Maybe the paratroopers. In general, we have a very high role for airmobile troops, compared with the Soviet period, the proportion of airborne assault in the armed forces has increased significantly.
    1. Marek Rozny
      Marek Rozny 8 November 2013 14: 36
      0
      KZ paratroopers on Cobra.
      1. Marek Rozny
        Marek Rozny 8 November 2013 14: 37
        0
        KZ paratroopers on Cobra.
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      3. Marek Rozny
        Marek Rozny 8 November 2013 14: 40
        0
        Armored vehicles of the Kazakh paratroopers.
        1. Marek Rozny
          Marek Rozny 8 November 2013 14: 57
          0
          Humvee of paratroopers KZ.
          1. Marek Rozny
            Marek Rozny 8 November 2013 15: 16
            +1



            Well, and armored personnel carriers. There is no special need for BMD. For landing technology, you can use the Mi-26. For the usual transfer of equipment - military transport aircraft.
            The air assault brigades are located mainly near the border with China: four brigades and two separate battalions in the Almaty region and one brigade in Astana.
            Passage of armored personnel carriers, Humvee, Cobras and Land Rovers is normal. Wheeled vehicles have advantages over tracked ones - they are easier to maintain and repair, they are more reliable, they have higher speed, they have a higher power reserve, and they are much cheaper.
            Existing infantry fighting vehicles in the Airborne Forces will be gradually replaced by BTR-82A and Cobra.
  8. fight
    fight 8 November 2013 10: 55
    +5
    goose dogs in the army are needed. No wheels can compare with the versatility of tracks. Moreover, our mother Russia is famous for impassable places
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 8 November 2013 11: 10
      +2
      But the wheel is more economical and mobile. Today, in local conflicts, the wheel beats the goose. It’s stupid not to have units on wheels, but we don’t have them in integral form, which seriously limits their use, and wheeled vehicles go with track speed.
  9. Praetorian
    Praetorian 8 November 2013 13: 31
    +1
    Well, I don’t know .. Well, who Shamanov was going to drop tigers on and why ???
  10. DimychDV
    DimychDV 8 November 2013 14: 34
    +2
    Who should the Tigers land on? And where did you see our good roads? And where else are the bad roads and forests besides our Fatherland? Do our people want to fight again in their native Fatherland? .. But the good roads are in Eastern Europe and the Baltic states. And in the cotton republics, too, solid concrete was heated, according to the refugees from there. Of course, we don’t plan to enter there at all ... But the tendency is not superfluous. To BETTER THINK, with whom, what contracts to sign - and what. And they thought more carefully - to whom and why they are needed somewhere else, except to let us in the form of an anti-Russian horde. They taught history badly: we fought off the entire Entente and its opponents in the Civil War. In World War II, too, they controlled the adversary. Not blundered now. Now even more so.
    So caterpillar tracks rather than VeVeshniks will be more needed, chasing runaway prisoners along our roads, directions and intersection. Again - if there is a rebellion or Islamic youth of wise aksakals, after New Judaism madrassas, will cease to be obeyed even in Russia, is this really a job for paratroopers? For VeVe, whatever one may say.
  11. gladiatorakz
    gladiatorakz 8 November 2013 14: 55
    0
    Cool colossus and I think necessary in the Airborne Forces and reconnaissance units. Nimble, passable, armored. Options for the modules must be installed. Anti-tank, Air Defense, Intelligence, EW, etc. In addition, there is no developed trailer. And he is needed.
  12. rudolff
    rudolff 8 November 2013 14: 58
    +5
    Yes, God bless him with the Tigers, maybe they will come in handy somewhere. One hell a lot of them will not deliver. But how did the BTR-82 get into the company here? What kind of scumbag pushes her into the army? At one time, they killed the BMP-3 for the Airborne Forces on the grounds that the ICRS fable does not provide parachute landing of the machine along with the crew, but this old-new armored personnel carrier ... Something I no longer understood Shamanov's logic. That sweeps away everything to which the parachute cannot be attached, or else I’m ready to grab the equipment, from which even the infantry wrinkles!
  13. vitantin
    vitantin 8 November 2013 18: 37
    +1
    What is her cover on the radiator? Just like the Soviet lawns in winter. Is it really water cooling. Morozov is afraid
  14. Ruslan Bear
    Ruslan Bear 8 November 2013 19: 31
    +1
    btr82? But what about 1000 bmd4m?
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  16. voliador
    voliador 8 November 2013 20: 34
    +1
    I wonder what caused the abandonment of BMD, except for someone's great desire to steal the Kurganmashzavod? BMD-4 (4M) is lighter, more compact, with more powerful weapons (including guided ones, capable of firing at low-flying air targets), landing methods have long been developed. It looks like they are preparing a cut and a sack of another workable enterprise!
  17. Frenzzze
    Frenzzze 8 November 2013 23: 52
    +1
    Not a bad technique ... But who will prepare specialists in it and when.
  18. e3tozy
    e3tozy 9 November 2013 00: 25
    0
    Trying to catch the logic too. Unfortunately, I come to the conclusion that neither the military nor the authorities holding a full understanding of the reform of the Armed Forces and their rearmament. Many people at the top are recruited by faithfulness and not by reason. I heard it seems to be in 2012. a voice from the top, the wheel is good, and here it goes. Airborne on wheels, artillery systems, air defense, the layout of the new BMP, although it is clear BTR-82 is not equal to BMD-4. Although at the top they said that we had the best and most modern weapons, it feels like the program is being cut and cut well. Throwing with MiG-35, with tanks, T-80 to remove, T-90 no longer produce, remains T-72B (ARMATA will most likely be very expensive and unlikely to be delivered in the right amount).
  19. lilit.193
    lilit.193 9 November 2013 16: 11
    +1
    Something I did not quite fit into this picture. BTR-82 and Tiger. But what about the BMD-4, about which there was so much fuss. Where will they go?