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The US Army will receive an analogue of the "Iron Man's Costume"

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SOCOM - the command of the special operations of the American army - began to collect information about the possibility of developing wearable armor for the soldiers, which is in many ways similar to the famous costume of Iron Man, one of the most famous characters in the comics from Marvel, which was invented by Anthony Starck. According to the newspaper The Los Angeles Times, the US military expects to spend no more than a year on the development of the current prototype of the new armor. There is already information that Revision Military, which was founded by former special forces captain Brian Dowling, and another American company, Raytheon, and the British defense concern BAE Systems, have announced their desire to create a suit for SOCOM.


The armor of the new generation for the soldiers has already received the name TALOS, which stands for Tactical Assault Light Operator Suit (light tactical assault suit of the operator). It is reported that such a costume will have a whole set of unique characteristics that the fictional superhero of comics had, of course, without the possibility of flying. It is assumed that the TALOS suit will be based on an exoskeleton that will allow the soldier to run and jump, carrying a full set of equipment more than 45 kg, even over rough terrain. Outside, the exoskeleton is planned to be covered with durable plates that will reliably protect the fighter from splinters and bullets on the battlefield. Also, the suit should have its own climate control system, which will warm the body in cold climates and cool in hot.

In addition, a new suit will also receive inflatable cuffs, which, having received a signal from special sensors, will be able to inflate in order to stop the bleeding in the event of a wounded fighter. Also in the TALOS suit it is planned to build in special sensors that will transmit information about the state of health of the soldier directly to the command center. The suit will be equipped with an armored helmet, which will receive a system for collecting and processing information and will be able to output data directly to the protective glass. Information will be displayed on a protective glass using a collimator system with a focus on infinity, which will ensure the readability of information regardless of wherever the operator looks. In the information issue, which will receive a fighter, will be included and intelligence obtained from the UAV.

The US Army will receive an analogue of the "Iron Man's Costume"

Currently, the exact technical characteristics of this promising costume has not yet been determined. However, the engineering and technical command of the American army has already managed to publish the first video in which it tried to present its vision of a new perspective armor TALOS. In the video, a soldier in TALOS costume finds himself in a dark village occupied by terrorists. Bursting into one of the houses, he is under their shelling, but the bullets just bounce off his armor. This video ends with the words “To be continued”.

Anyway, according to the concept, the new costume really should give the soldier a part of the comic book's superpowers - night vision, unprecedented strength, invulnerability from small weapons and heat exposure. It is reported that the suit's armor will be made of several layers of "intelligent" materials, which will receive sensors monitoring the heartbeat and body temperature of a soldier. He will also receive climate control and even oxygen-rich cylinders. Available cameras and sensors will allow the fighter to feel confident even in unfamiliar terrain and in the dark.

The strength of the person wearing this suit, which will be attached to the legs and arms, is likely to be enhanced by the use of hydraulics. In addition, it is planned to develop an interface similar to "Jarvis", with which the soldier will be able to communicate using voice control. The suit will receive a built-in computer, which will be equipped with a navigation system, like Google Glass glasses, this computer will be able to instantly respond to changes in the situation. In the most distant future, soldiers will be able to evoke personalized information of interest with the help of the power of thought.


“Today, our requests are comprehensive: we want to see combat armor, power control displays, an exoskeleton with innovative systems, health monitoring, and also a built-in weapon in a TALOS suit,” said Lieutenant Colonel Karl Borges, scientific advisor to the research engineering team. american army. According to him, it will be an advanced armored suit with cognitive functions, chips, sensors, ballistic protection and modern means of communication.

At the moment, none of the divisions of the US Army has the necessary resources to produce such a suit. That is why army representatives are calling on US private companies, research organizations and government laboratories to support the project. At the moment there is information that, most likely, scientists from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT), who have been cooperating with the army for a long time, will take part in the project. Currently, a team of specialists from this institute is developing a body armor of a material that is able to harden in a fraction of a second under the influence of an electric current or a magnetic field.

According to MIT professor Gareth McKinley: “The new armor will somehow resemble futuristic armor, which can often be seen in various science-fiction films.” It will look like a Iron Man costume or Sigourney Weaver from the movie “Aliens”. It is assumed that the new TALOS suit armor will be tested in field conditions in the coming 3 of the year.

Warrior web

Similar suits for soldiers, working on the principle of a support apparatus or exoskeleton, have already been created in the USA. For example, within the framework of the Warrior Web project, tests began on a set of equipment that should help increase the combat capabilities of military personnel. Warrior Web is a new e-soldier project that should not only increase the capabilities of a fighter, but also reduce the risk of injury, DARPA agency website reports. In particular, as part of the work on this project, a device was tested that can reduce fatigue and reduce injuries of fighters carrying cargo weighing up to 45 kg. The novelty is a special exoskeleton that relieves part of the load from the fighter, thanks to which the soldier is able to make longer forced marches.

Warrior Web Development Boston Dynamics

The prototype of the Warrior Web kit has a mass of about 28 kg, currently, American soldiers spend hours running around it on the treadmills. Conducted tests should help professionals to determine how Warrior Web reduces the load on the bones and muscles of the fighter, as well as how it protects the joints and reduces human fatigue. A certain number of cameras used during tests on treadmills, allows you to record all changes in the gait of soldiers. At the same time, the devices take readings of the lungs, heart and muscles of a person.

According to the estimates of the creators of the Warrior Web system, it will consume no more 100 watts of power, which is quite acceptable, but only with the use of modern power sources - fuel cells or batteries of a new generation. In addition to the use of various electronic novelties, Warrior Web will be the first exoskeleton costume that protects the skin, reduces the likelihood of injury and the burden on the soldier.

Outwardly, it will be something like a scuba diver suit. Warrior Web will have a mesh structure that allows you to create a torque during flexion of the limbs. In addition, to strengthen the joints in the suit, it is planned to use special plastic and metal joints, which are attached to the suit using flexible traction.

Information sources:
http://lenta.ru/news/2013/10/31/ironman
http://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=1140788
http://www.km.ru/science-tech/2013/05/27/nauka-i-tekhnologii/711709-v-ssha-nachalis-ispytaniya-elektronnogo-soldata
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  1. Prometheus
    Prometheus 8 November 2013 07: 49 New
    +2
    The price and terms, as well as the possibility of implementing some of the planned
    elements in practice.
    1. Hon
      Hon 8 November 2013 09: 08 New
      11
      Quote: Prometheus
      The price and terms, as well as the possibility of implementing some of the planned
      elements in practice.

      I don’t know how to sell it, but the price of the Americans is of little interest, they don’t save on their soldiers, and development is very fast.
      1. Aryan
        Aryan 8 November 2013 11: 17 New
        +2
        and nuts like in it cf * t? what
        1. Versed
          Versed 9 November 2013 02: 08 New
          -4
          No way, whether it is a quilted jacket (the Russian analogue of the iron man suit)
          Yes Russian / shovel soldier does not need armor. The main vest, nonsense in the head and forward to die for the king laughing
      2. AVV
        AVV 8 November 2013 15: 02 New
        +4
        But the question is, if hydraulics flows, the maintainability of this suit in the field will be high ??? Yes, and rickets, such a suit will not help, if he falls on his back, the fighter will jerk like legs on a cockroach, the Americans with their fafuds are lazy at the end, we need to raise physical training, do not skip on the march, as the march was shown in Sweden, our paratroopers won, and the Americans died, then the exoskeletons to the Americans, maybe in bed and help, but not on the battlefield, at least in the short term !!!
        1. Ivan_Ivanov
          Ivan_Ivanov 8 November 2013 16: 42 New
          +4
          And one more question:

          - And how much will the battery weigh?

          .
          1. Versed
            Versed 9 November 2013 02: 10 New
            +2
            What difference does it make to you how much the battery will weigh? laughing
        2. Ivan_Ivanov
          Ivan_Ivanov 8 November 2013 16: 44 New
          0
          And one more question:

          - And how much will the battery weigh and how much will it last?
        3. Polovec
          Polovec 10 November 2013 22: 55 New
          0
          Now more and more talk is about using a controlled EM pulse. There is a shield for every sword (I correctly put it). If all the electronics fly in a swoop ... 45kg of cargo + 25kg suit ... Maybe the bronik will be calmer?
        4. timer
          timer 17 November 2013 17: 28 New
          0
          You your commentary raised a very interesting question (and important) - which is more efficient, cheaper, and more promising - to invest resources in exoskeletons or in a person (increasing its endurance, speed of reaction, etc.)? Who will answer?
          1. abrakadabre
            abrakadabre 26 November 2013 11: 07 New
            0
            Unambiguously, engaged in the manufacture of a supermutant from a person, indicators of the carrying capacity and endurance of mechanisms, the reaction rate of electronics, the speed of movement, etc. don't surpass.
            Therefore, the development of exoskeletons is more promising. Everything rests mainly on power sources there. Which is what everyone is trying to develop now.
      3. edge
        edge 8 November 2013 19: 41 New
        +2
        Quote: Hon
        I don’t know how to sell it, but the price of the Americans is of little interest, they don’t save on their soldiers

        it’s just that the soldiers don’t give a damn, just grab a dough and more ..... and, the soldiers will pick up the floor of Laatina America for the green card, why should they try
      4. Blackgrifon
        Blackgrifon 8 November 2013 21: 41 New
        +1
        Quote: Hon
        do not save on their soldiers


        Here it is worth not agreeing - most likely such power armor will arrive in limited quantities in the Airborne Forces and the ILC.
      5. Su24
        Su24 8 November 2013 21: 45 New
        +4
        Well, guys, I don’t know how realistic it is to implement all the requirements in this project, but I must admit that this is the future.
    2. fzr1000
      fzr1000 8 November 2013 11: 39 New
      +4
      "And yet, where is his button?"
    3. rolik
      rolik 8 November 2013 12: 08 New
      +2
      Quote: Prometheus
      The price and terms, as well as the possibility of implementing some of the planned
      elements in practice.

      And one more important quality - reliability, convenience.
      1. bazilio
        bazilio 8 November 2013 15: 27 New
        +7
        Quote: rolik
        The price and terms, as well as the possibility of implementing some of the planned
        elements in practice.

        It seems to me a matter of time. Sooner or later, everything will come to this. Let's remember at least the first cars. How reliable were they? What were their performance characteristics? so it's really a matter of time. And the one who has similar technologies (really working) will be in service before, that will have an advantage
        1. wei
          wei 8 November 2013 21: 18 New
          +4
          It seems to me a matter of time. Sooner or later, everything will come to this. Let's remember at least the first cars.

          it was time to inspire us to get old developments from under the cloth

          and this is more serious
        2. Blackgrifon
          Blackgrifon 8 November 2013 21: 43 New
          +1
          Quote: bazilio
          It seems to me a matter of time.


          It is a pity for our soldiers and officers that such a "toy" will not please our military-industrial complex and the Ministry of Defense.
    4. Walker1975
      Walker1975 8 November 2013 17: 59 New
      +6
      But such studies often give impetus to the development of a number of technologies.
      1. Aryan
        Aryan 9 November 2013 09: 55 New
        -3
        Are you talking about electromagnetic diapers?
  2. lotar
    lotar 8 November 2013 08: 05 New
    +7
    The price will most likely be sky-high, but the Americans won’t get used to it. But I don’t have any doubts about that. Even if some of the announced systems go into service, they will most likely be equipped with special forces like Delta, as the price of one unit will most likely be within the cost of such weapons as Bradley or Abrams.
    1. Hon
      Hon 8 November 2013 09: 10 New
      0
      The Americans are not accustomed to save on their soldiers, so they can well provide for each infantryman, despite the sky-high price.
      1. Basileus
        Basileus 8 November 2013 13: 21 New
        +2
        You would be interested in the fate of many military programs that have been closed in recent years. Do you guess the reason for the closure?
        1. Russ69
          Russ69 9 November 2013 02: 27 New
          0
          Quote: Basileus
          You would be interested in the fate of many military programs that have been closed in recent years. Do you guess the reason for the closure?

          Due to funding cuts, 31% or 37% of military developments are closed.
          1. Basileus
            Basileus 9 November 2013 09: 06 New
            -1
            Well. And here the author offers each soldier to equip with an exoskeleton.
  3. aszzz888
    aszzz888 8 November 2013 08: 37 New
    +2
    The battery will sit down and drag all this rubbish on you.
    1. Hon
      Hon 8 November 2013 09: 12 New
      +5
      Quote: aszzz888
      The battery will sit down and drag all this rubbish on you.

      No, in this case, all the trash is thrown off, and the soldier becomes an ordinary infantryman, but until he sits down, he has a significant advantage.
      1. aszzz888
        aszzz888 8 November 2013 09: 59 New
        +2
        takes off

        And carried by an infantryman, tk. this "suit" costs a huge amount of money, and the soldier will be "deducted from the salary"
        1. Hon
          Hon 8 November 2013 10: 05 New
          -1
          They are trying to deduct it from our salaries, and the Americans are writing off, they are throwing equipment worth millions of dollars in Afghanistan, because they are too lazy to take out.
          1. Basileus
            Basileus 8 November 2013 13: 22 New
            0
            laziness

            I don't understand how it was possible to make so many mistakes in the word "more expensive".
          2. Su24
            Su24 8 November 2013 21: 53 New
            0
            Quote: Hon
            They are trying to deduct it from our salaries, and the Americans are writing off, they are throwing equipment worth millions of dollars in Afghanistan, because they are too lazy to take out.


            Do not be lazy, what naivety. The United States leaves arms to the Afghan government, which should hold out at least some time after they leave.
      2. Passer
        Passer 8 November 2013 22: 35 New
        0
        Quote: Hon
        No, in this case, all the trash is thrown off, and the soldier becomes an ordinary infantryman, but until he sits down, he has a significant advantage.

        As Comrade Sukhov used to say: this is unlikely.
        And in the conditions of our army, this is a useless thing: in winter it is cold, in summer it is hot, and in autumn or spring you climb a week in the "field" - not a single warranty workshop will accept it.
        The only thing is that it can carry out certain offensive or special operations, and preferably against the civilian population. Which generally corresponds to the US "peacekeeping" military policy.
    2. Altair
      Altair 8 November 2013 09: 34 New
      +5
      Quote: aszzz888
      The battery will sit down and drag all this rubbish on you.

      Out of fuel in the tank? - drag it on yourself!
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 8 November 2013 09: 36 New
        +3
        And how many minutes do the tanks fill and how many hours do the batteries charge?
        1. Altair
          Altair 8 November 2013 09: 40 New
          +1
          Replace with charged in a couple of seconds ...
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 8 November 2013 09: 42 New
            +4
            Calculate the weight of the battery per platoon.
            1. Altair
              Altair 8 November 2013 09: 47 New
              0
              A new class of huge capacity batteries has been opened
              The highest density of stored energy per unit volume was given by an electrolyte based on vanadium diboride, showing absolutely fantastic 27 W • h per liter of volume, that is, in fact, more than a liter of gasoline, and "at times"!

              http://compulenta.computerra.ru/tehnika/devices/10009109/
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 8 November 2013 10: 03 New
                +4
                Hooray!!! Only gasoline has an energy intensity of 44 MJ / kg. And the most capacious carbon fiber in your link is 3.6 MJ / kg. Not everything written is worth believing. At times, but not more, but less.
                1. Hon
                  Hon 8 November 2013 10: 09 New
                  -1
                  And who said that the battery will be, on the Amer robot dog, designed to drag and drop goods, there is a gasoline engine that generates electricity, so heavy batteries are not needed, filled the gas and go
                  1. Lopatov
                    Lopatov 8 November 2013 10: 24 New
                    +6
                    Hump ​​gasoline engine? Same thing. I hope with an armored tank that weighs more than gasoline itself and with thermal insulation and heat dissipation devices in the exhaust, so that soldiers do not glow like candles in the infrared range? And then for these soldiers anti-tank submunitions will start to fire and anti-aircraft mines.
                    1. ed65b
                      ed65b 8 November 2013 10: 42 New
                      +2
                      Quote: Spade
                      Hump ​​gasoline engine? Same thing. I hope with an armored tank that weighs more than gasoline itself and with thermal insulation and heat dissipation devices in the exhaust, so that soldiers do not glow like candles in the infrared range? And then for these soldiers anti-tank submunitions will start to fire and anti-aircraft mines.

                      Now, even stealth technology can be hung in the subject with a suit, urgently send a post to the Pentagon laughing
                    2. Hon
                      Hon 8 November 2013 10: 55 New
                      -2
                      Quote: Spade
                      so that soldiers like candles in the infrared did not shine?

                      Oh, what words do we know tricky)) Even if our soldiers had infrared devices, it would be very wonderful. To power such a system, you need not a tank but a capacity, ml per 200-300. The temperature from such a motor is small. The paratrooper arsenal includes plastid, and it is worn in a backpack and not in an armored box. By the way, it’s very good if anti-tank weapons start to work on soldiers, the destruction of one or several soldiers is not the same as the destruction of a tank. Therefore, anti-tank mines sensitivity of 200-500 kg, so as not to spend on a soldier.
                      1. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 8 November 2013 12: 30 New
                        +2
                        Quote: Hon
                        Even if our soldiers had infrared devices, it would be very wonderful.

                        By the time they finish their superequipment with a motor on the hump, we have them in sufficient quantities and will appear

                        Quote: Hon
                        The paratrooper arsenal includes plastid, and it is worn in a backpack and not in an armored box.

                        So what? Light up? The stove can be melted, but the reinforced shell lids burn an order of magnitude better.

                        Quote: Hon
                        By the way, it’s very good if anti-tank weapons start to work on soldiers, the destruction of one or several soldiers is not the same as the destruction of a tank.

                        Yes, I am only "for". The cost of an anti-aircraft mine will be a fraction of a percent of the cost of a soldier even without this equipment. At 1995 prices, an ordinary artilleryman cost the United States $ 50 a year - training, maintenance, equipment.
                    3. abrakadabre
                      abrakadabre 9 November 2013 08: 21 New
                      0
                      You forgot about the silencers. So that the fighter does not notify about his approach per kilometer.
                  2. Marek Rozny
                    Marek Rozny 8 November 2013 11: 55 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Hon
                    And who said that the battery will be, on the Amer robot dog, designed to drag and drop goods, there is a gasoline engine that generates electricity, so heavy batteries are not needed, filled the gas and go

                    ABOUT! And let this robo-dog run after his soldier, carrying fuel, ammunition and food. It is necessary to make it follow the "owner"))) Or you can make a robo-horse, then it will be able to carry the load for the owner even more. Current it's a pity that this horse cannot be eaten)))
                  3. edge
                    edge 8 November 2013 19: 45 New
                    -1
                    Quote: Hon
                    And who said that the battery will be, on the Amer robot dog, designed to drag and drop goods, there is a gasoline engine that generates electricity, so heavy batteries are not needed, filled the gas and go

                    uh, similar boots we walked boots were adopted in the 80s. there were no robot dogs
                2. Altair
                  Altair 8 November 2013 11: 38 New
                  0
                  Quote: Spade
                  Hooray!!! Only gasoline has energy intensity 44 MJ/ kg And the most capacious carbon fiber in your link is 3.6 MJ / kg. Not everything written is worth believing. At times, but not more, but less.


                  27 W • h = 000 W • 27 c =97.2 MJ per liter volume (vanadium diboride)
                  8 W • h = 900 W • 8 c =32.0 MJ per kilogram (carbon electrolyte)
                  You did not try to think shovels? They say it is useful.
                  1. Lopatov
                    Lopatov 8 November 2013 12: 39 New
                    +3
                    Quote: Altair
                    You did not try to think shovels? They say it is useful.

                    It’s also useful not to skip commas

                    8,900 W • h = 8,900 W • 3600 c = 32.0 kJ per kilogram
                    1. Altair
                      Altair 8 November 2013 12: 56 New
                      +1
                      A comma in the English system of arithmetic signs indicates a category, and in the Russian system of writing it is a decimal place. The dot between the numbers in the English system is a decimal, and in the Russian system indicates the discharge of a number. For instance:
                      English system 3, 851.355 kilometers 4.5 tons
                      Russian system 3.851,355 kilometers 4,5 tons
                      1. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 8 November 2013 13: 04 New
                        +3
                        And the zero actually does not mean nine in the English system?
                      2. Altair
                        Altair 8 November 2013 19: 36 New
                        0
                        Have you been banned from Google?
              2. go
                go 8 November 2013 17: 54 New
                +1
                There is such a thing as primary and secondary energy. To take this power from gasoline, it needs to be burned more efficiently; in a combustion engine you remove max. 30 percent After you convert this power with a generator to electricity, you will lose another percent. 10. If we talk about other useful work from this motor, then there will also be losses ... in the end, finish with 10 percent of these 44 megajoules.

                In the battery, electrical energy is ready for use. So this cannot be compared.
          2. Altair
            Altair 8 November 2013 12: 42 New
            0
            Quote: Spade
            Calculate the weight of the battery per platoon.

            Where are the tanks refueling? On the battlefield?
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 8 November 2013 12: 48 New
              +3
              A quarter-refueling tank, standing still, is a much more secure target than a quarter-loaded soldier sitting motionless.
              1. Altair
                Altair 8 November 2013 13: 03 New
                +1
                Protected from what? From a thermonuclear strike?
                And the armored car with a quarter refueling (armor from 12.7)?
                1. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 8 November 2013 13: 12 New
                  0
                  Quote: Altair
                  And the armored car with a quarter refueling (armor from 12.7)?

                  Let's think it over. The car is standing, one uncle on the turrets, the rest are in a hurry and cover. An order of magnitude more secure. I’m not talking about the tank.
      2. Blackgrifon
        Blackgrifon 8 November 2013 21: 44 New
        0
        Quote: Spade
        And how many minutes do the tanks fill and how many hours do the batteries charge?


        As a matter of fact, it was the issue of energy supply that hindered the introduction of exoskeletons into the military sphere all this time.
  4. wei
    wei 8 November 2013 21: 07 New
    0
    will carry a mule
  • makarov
    makarov 8 November 2013 08: 37 New
    +1
    Naturally, the exoskeleton itself will have an electric drive with a specific time of use. With modern technologies, this unit can be created, but not in a year. And one of the main questions - Specifically, from what types of small arms can it protect the user ????
    1. Hleb
      Hleb 8 November 2013 08: 42 New
      0
      http://www.popmech.ru/blogs/post/3054-evolyutsiya-oruzhiya-ekzoskelet-xos-2/
      http://www.popmech.ru/blogs/post/776-kostyum-raytheon/
    2. Altair
      Altair 8 November 2013 09: 39 New
      0
      Quote: makarov
      And one of the main questions - Specifically, from what types of small arms can it protect the user ????

      7.62x54, or maybe 12.7 (at least in the chest area)
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  • aszzz888
    aszzz888 8 November 2013 08: 38 New
    0
    The battery will sit down and drag all this rubbish on you.
  • Stiletto
    Stiletto 8 November 2013 08: 41 New
    +3
    And - without fail riding on the battle Godzilla.
  • Bigfoot_Sev
    Bigfoot_Sev 8 November 2013 08: 42 New
    +1
    I have deja vu. It seems to me that super suits for soldiers have already been announced. and more than once. and not two.

    vidyushka about Talos

    at the end I was waiting for the cry "RPG !!!!" and an explosion followed by dismemberment.
    By the way, maybe it turned him off from the blow? therefore he sodden at the door and stood up.

    = ^ _ ^ =
    1. Altair
      Altair 8 November 2013 09: 44 New
      0
      Quote: Bigfoot_Sev
      I have deja vu. It seems to me that super suits for soldiers have already been announced. and more than once. and not two.

      Like "Armata".
  • Storm
    Storm 8 November 2013 09: 15 New
    +4
    The trend is marked - there is definitely a prospect. The task is not easy, but with its successful implementation, the advantages are obvious. The main problem for such autonomous systems is a rather energy-intensive source of energy. This seems to be the cornerstone of all such developments. I think that in the next ten years this problem will be solved and then we will see the rapid development of such systems.
    1. Knizhnik
      Knizhnik 8 November 2013 10: 39 New
      +2
      Someone has played with them in the crisis. fellow But seriously, then 15-20 years. Remember the Robocop movie? If at first it was fired from colts and ultrasound, then something like PTR went then I don’t remember exactly, and then everything is cooler. It is terrible to think what terrorists will be armed with if they suspect an attack of such terminators. negative
      1. Storm
        Storm 8 November 2013 12: 15 New
        0
        Crisis - I heard about such a game, they say beautiful. But exactly what a game. I can only say that the Americans on computer games (virtual reality) test many solutions, which then, with positive results, put into practice. And in this, in my opinion, there is a sound idea. The main thing in this business is not to get involved. Life is always richer than an artificial programmed reality and you can’t foresee everything.
        As for the development period of such batteries, I can of course be mistaken, and I probably agree to 15-20 years. Many American science fiction films make you think about the various consequences of the development of science and technology, and indeed of humanity as a whole. I think the terrorists will be armed with what they can get (or they get it). Those. all anything more powerful.
    2. Dmitry 2246
      Dmitry 2246 8 November 2013 10: 46 New
      +3
      Our leg prostheses are made using a similar technology. I ordered myself "hydraulics" (foot 260 tons. Germany)
      Electronics gives few advantages, and the price increases at times. It is controlled with a battery for a month enough (someone like).
  • RBLip
    RBLip 8 November 2013 09: 17 New
    +5
    laughing and this crap when you turn off al-bi-bek says?
    1. ed65b
      ed65b 8 November 2013 10: 44 New
      +2
      Quote: RBLip
      laughing and this crap when you turn off al-bi-bek says?

      Speaks and raises a finger up laughing
  • NOMADE
    NOMADE 8 November 2013 09: 34 New
    +2
    Quote: Sturm
    The trend is marked - there is definitely a prospect. The task is not easy, but with its successful implementation, the advantages are obvious. The main problem for such autonomous systems is a rather energy-intensive source of energy. This seems to be the cornerstone of all such developments. I think that in the next ten years this problem will be solved and then we will see the rapid development of such systems.


    I agree that the main problem is the energy source. I've always been interested in the question, why can't they replace the battery with any miniature internal combustion engines? A few years ago, even miniature Wankel engines were announced that could run on alcohol, why were they supposed to be used as an alternative to laptop batteries.? Moreover, there were actually working samples that were made using ceramics and composites. Nowadays, technologies make it possible to make a miniature, quiet and multi-fuel internal combustion engine with a capacity of 1-5 kW. This type of energy supply, in our time, is more universal and without failure. If the "battery" runs out, then that's it .., you need to charge it, or replace it with a new one (to reduce the time). And with a multi-fuel internal combustion engine, he approached any transport, pierced with a special device (well, this is a fantasy))) that protruded from his hand) the tank, sucked 6-8 liters, into multi-chamber tanks, and went to "work" on purpose - further ...
    1. Storm
      Storm 8 November 2013 12: 31 New
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      Why not. In war, as in love, all means are good. The main thing is that it works and works well.
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  • Marek Rozny
    Marek Rozny 8 November 2013 09: 59 New
    +1
    But if you recharge the battery using kinetic energy? the soldier is running, so that he wouldn’t make him himself a dynamo machine? It will not cover 100% of energy costs, but battery life will be extended. Well, for emergency power generation it is also a good idea to activate the radio or turn on the navigator for a short time.
    in general, these suits still have a minus - they cannot fly)))) here, scientists would still move in this direction! flying soldier - beauty!
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 8 November 2013 10: 05 New
      +2
      He will die. A soldier is not a machine from which braking energy can be taken
      1. Marek Rozny
        Marek Rozny 8 November 2013 10: 19 New
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        Hmm ... I immediately say that I'm not a techie, so despite the occasional mini-rugachki, I treat you very respectfully when you write about many things, especially those related to technical things.
        Tell me, is it really impossible to use the energy of movement of a soldier? There is also a wristwatch that charges from the wave of a hand, flashlights that charge from shaking, etc.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 8 November 2013 10: 30 New
          +2
          This is not feasible at this stage. When exoskeletons will be fully connected to the central nervous system of a person, energy recovery in such devices may be possible. But by this time, normal sources of energy will already appear.
          1. Marek Rozny
            Marek Rozny 8 November 2013 10: 59 New
            +1
            I probably incorrectly put it at the very beginning. Energy is received not from the human body, but from the movements created by man. Attach dynamo devices to moving parts of the exoskeleton.
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 8 November 2013 12: 43 New
              +1
              In order for the exoskeleton to receive energy, its high synchronization with a person is necessary. And that means receiving signals directly from the nervous system.
              1. Tommygun
                Tommygun 8 November 2013 16: 12 New
                +2
                This refers to something else.
                Let's consider as an example of squats.
                When a person rises from a sitting position to a standing position, he expends energy E = mgh, where h is the change in the height of the center of gravity.
                When it sits down, the same amount of energy can be stored, for example, in air or electric accumulators.
                Of course, this is ideal if the efficiency = 100%.
                But a certain part of the energy can be recovered.
                More complex movements consist of a set of simple ones.
            2. AK-47
              AK-47 9 November 2013 00: 51 New
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              Quote: Marek Rozny
              Attach dynamo devices to moving parts of the exoskeleton.

              The perpetual motion machine is not possible, it is an axiom. stop
      2. go
        go 8 November 2013 18: 05 New
        +3
        There are already backpacks that charge the battery from forward movement along special guides up and down. I do not remember the exact parameters, but I saw the info. They ask for this skeleton 100 watts is not so much today.

        You can use the solar battery on thin films, they are flexible - you can integrate it into clothes, a rucksack, a helmet. For 100 watts of peak power, you need somewhere about half a meter surface with a modern solar efficiency. 14 percent batteries By the way, the current is also normal, i.e. The battery, in principle, can be quickly charged. The sun is certainly necessary, but where the thread in the desert or in the BW will work.

        You can also charge from cars on a halt. Those. the system is powered by batteries, and the second is charging in a backpack or car.

        I’ll tell you what the problem is - the battery, even lithium-ion now does not produce the required energy (watt hours) under a serious load. But a lot of people are already working on this, since the need for wearable equipment and electric vehicles is great (in Europe). So I think the problem with the battery will be solved soon.
    2. Storm
      Storm 8 November 2013 12: 28 New
      +1
      Did you read Heinlein's Star Rangers? There they flew, or rather made rocket jumps. This is probably where everything goes.
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  • Nomad
    Nomad 8 November 2013 10: 15 New
    +4
    Quote: Marek Rozny
    in general, these suits still have a minus - they cannot fly)))) here, scientists would still move in this direction! flying soldier - beauty!

    Chinese soldiers flew before our era. Judging by the Chinese films. laughing
    1. Marek Rozny
      Marek Rozny 8 November 2013 10: 22 New
      +4
      And isshho they figured out how to revive the killed soldiers. In the movie "Mummy-2" it is well shown. True, they do not disclose the details of this to anyone, miser))))
  • NOMADE
    NOMADE 8 November 2013 10: 18 New
    +1
    Quote: Spade
    He will die. A soldier is not a machine from which braking energy can be taken


    Well, why, the principle of recuperation, in this case, if it runs or walks, at a certain moment, when a "leg" is placed on the ground, then energy is released (remember, tendons and part of the muscles, at this moment, work as a shock absorber), here and you can pick it up.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 8 November 2013 10: 35 New
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      You can take a lot from where. But the necessary synchronization of the exoskeleton with a person is currently unattainable.
  • Knizhnik
    Knizhnik 8 November 2013 10: 30 New
    +1
    For all the usefulness of developments in this area, practical application is a big question.

    Firstly, the hunt for the corpse of such an operator from both the likely enemy and the mercenaries of the military-industrial complex corporations around the world will be, to put it mildly, serious, so the British prince will look like a forgotten homeless man. This is the fate of all breakthrough innovations, the headache of commanders. The hyped hype at the very first failure, and the project will close in the heat of the moment, secondly. Thirdly, for the special forces to fit, but if the situation forces to get rid of equipment?
    1. ed65b
      ed65b 8 November 2013 10: 45 New
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      Quote: Knizhnik
      and if the situation will force to get rid of equipment?

      Bury it under a stump and make a notch on a tree. laughing
  • Asgard
    Asgard 8 November 2013 10: 32 New
    +7
    An interesting device for fun, but not for war .....
    This is a complicated engineering garbage requiring MAINTENANCE, and the African-American (Negro) does not have sufficient engineering skills to operate this device ....

    Now about the partisans))) Or rather, our cheap answer to their show-offs)))
    If these exoskeleton instances appear in OUR regions. There are such Blando bullets ... A bullet (steel or copper) is made on a lathe, in a structural form resembles a spool of thread. It is possible to manufacture this bullet solid cast from lead alloys.

    Bullet Blando

    Such a "device" will sew three NATO soldiers through and through and I think Hammer will "get it))))
    moreover, it can be released from the smoothbore 12 gauge ....
    Believe me, no protection will help ....
    There is a Russian version ... You buy a thermometer (mercury) in the pharmacy), drill a lead bullet with a two-millimeter drill directly in the equipped cartridge (12-16 caliber)) from the center (cone, to a depth of 7 mm)) shake the mercury into the holes, a suitable pellet and solder ...
    In a man in a bulletproof vest, he tears off all limbs and throws it back three meters))) Yes, and 70% of the loss of \\ comes from injuries in the limb ....
    So the US Army (NATO)) has NO options))))))
    Exo Skeletons can only help them escape))))
    1. Altair
      Altair 8 November 2013 12: 02 New
      -1
      Quote: Asgard
      There is a Russian version ... Buy a thermometer (mercury) in a pharmacy) drill
      So the US Army (NATO)) has NO options))))))
      Exo Skeletons can only help them escape))))

      Well, yes, yes ...
      Mufflers from plastic bottles.
      RPG from plastic bottles.
      MANPADS from plastic bottles.
      iPad from plastic bottles.
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 8 November 2013 12: 44 New
        +3
        Bullet Blondeau is not a "plastic bottle device"
        1. Altair
          Altair 8 November 2013 13: 10 New
          -3
          Asgard once talked about a muffler from a plastic bottle ...
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 8 November 2013 13: 17 New
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            The Blondo bullet, which was fired by German technology back in World War II by French resistance fighters, is a completely different level than mufflers from a plastic bottle.
            1. Altair
              Altair 8 November 2013 13: 27 New
              +2
              Quote: Spade
              Bullet blondo, which back in World War II fighters of the French resistance disabled German technology

              And then such materials already existed: ceramic armor (+ modern nanoceramics), intermetallic compounds, graphene-metal composites, amorphous alloys?
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 8 November 2013 13: 35 New
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                No, then everything was decided by the thickness of the armor.
          2. Asgard
            Asgard 8 November 2013 14: 09 New
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            I didn’t tell, but mentioned)))) in vain)))
            I look interested)))
            You can do it, withstands one or two shots and the adversary’s soldiers will not hear from which side death has arrived))))
            Somehow I’ll post a video (without the intricacies of manufacturing))

            Well, that’s okay .... I don’t understand * Altair * You are a brahmin, maybe someone offended sexually, your head is not in order .......
            -once rating AMONG PEOPLE striving for death ?????
            This is somehow not great ... the Jews (orthodox) are distinguished from the normal person - his desire to distort (distort) this
            Well, as an example .....
            Quote: Altair
            RPG from plastic bottles.
            MANPADS from plastic bottles.
            iPad from plastic bottles.

            I usually do not enter into correspondence with the Jews, there is no constructivism and thoughts that will enrich me)))
            And where does such a Natsik seek to grumble so that the last post is behind him)))))
            Not so you were taught, or rather, you were not given knowledge, you have only cliches from the Torah and Talmud in your head ...
            And you need to read Dostoevsky Fedya, there the WORDS are arranged in such a way that they CORRECTLY ORGANIZE THE BRAIN, THIS is what is in your head))))))
            And believe me, it is precisely those who read and speak Russian and correctly, they are invincible and they can CREATE .......
            From Plastic Bottles))))
            My sincere condolences and wishes for a speedy recovery ....
            The rest does not understand, the brain is not organized)))))
            1. Altair
              Altair 8 November 2013 14: 57 New
              +2
              Quote: Asgard
              You are a masochist

              No.
              Quote: Asgard
              maybe sexually who offended

              Me - no, but you?
              You can “lower” only a person who is afraid to die, defending his honor and dignity.
              Quote: Asgard
              your head is not in order .......

              Are you a psychiatrist? wink
              Quote: Asgard
              times rating AMONG PEOPLE striving for death ?????

              I am a truth-teller.
              Rating on topwar.ru means nothing. Look at the professor’s rating and at the rating of some cheer patriot.
              Quote: Asgard
              I usually do not enter into correspondence with By the Jews

              Quote: Asgard
              They didn’t teach you that way, or rather they didn’t give you knowledge, you have in your head some cliches from the Torah and Talmud.

              laughing laughing laughing
    2. abrakadabre
      abrakadabre 11 November 2013 10: 46 New
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      In a man in a bulletproof vest, he tears off all limbs and throws back the meter by three)))
      Newton’s laws and thermodynamics are inexorable: the action is equal to counteraction and the system cannot have an efficiency of 100%. In order for the affected target to be tipped back by 3 meters, the firing target must be tipped back by 4 meters or more at the time of the shot. After all, there are still friction losses about the atmosphere. Unless of course you shoot with recoilless (reactive) systems or use an exploding warhead.
      But even here, in order for an infantryman with equipment (80-100 kg) to be thrown back 3 meters, a larger charge is needed than in a hand grenade.
  • Sirozha
    Sirozha 8 November 2013 10: 32 New
    +1
    And when the batteries go down in an unplanned long combat exit, you’ll have to carry all this crap on yourself back to the base ...
  • ed65b
    ed65b 8 November 2013 10: 47 New
    +3
    Guides raised on comics come to the Pentagon leadership. I won’t be surprised if the next development will be Captain America and Thor.
  • sys-1985
    sys-1985 8 November 2013 10: 51 New
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    Like in a movie, but instead of a heart a fiery plutonium engine))
  • JonnyT
    JonnyT 8 November 2013 11: 00 New
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    Yeah ...... the developers replayed in computer games .... schizophrenia

    We need to wait for a qualitative breakthrough in nanotechnology, then we can conclude about the possibility of implementing this project ..... Nanotechnologists are actively working on their own miniature batteries with high capacity and power ...... the same is true for new materials of composites in strength not inferior to steel, Kevlar and much easier than them ......
    For this suit you need your own reliable self-propelled gun ... with the means that exist now it will be too cumbersome and not productive ..... Each drive needs its own driver ... again, the question is how this device will be controlled ... where it will come from the control signal to the controller and in what form .... how should the system understand that the operator wants to run, crouch, crawl ??? Maybe someone knows the logic of exoskeleton control? Tell me .....
    1. carbofo
      carbofo 8 November 2013 11: 56 New
      +5
      If you don’t do anything, you won’t achieve anything!
      I think we also need to deal with similar projects, at least scientifically, and then we'll see.
      We think this is a complete mess.
      You sweat and catch a cold in your uniform, because you have developed one thing and what’s going on in the troops.
      With drones problems, there are no serious machines in either quality or quantity.
      Exoskeletons in general do not deal with this topic in metal, at least openly.
      Liquid or controlled armor, there is at least some movement, and it’s more initiative.
      That’s why there is no problem, it’s with weapons, they would have bought at least something, or even one chatter, for a long time it was necessary to introduce collimators and optics into the troops normally, and only the commander and sniper had equipped weapons.
      Specials do not count.
      etc. etc.
      Quote: JonnyT
      Maybe someone knows the logic of exoskeleton control? Tell me .....

      Various options, some react to changes in load or displacement angle, and turn on when you already start driving (like an example of a loader from the movie "Aliens". (More like a power steering in a car)
      Others respond to muscular tension, electronic-mechanical or electronic (a change in the electrical potential of the included muscle).
      The most advanced ones are with electrodes in tissues, they remove control signals almost directly, as a rule they are used only in prostheses, as they are very complex.
      something like that.
      1. carbofo
        carbofo 8 November 2013 14: 01 New
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        I think for a power source, it is better not batteries, namely fuel cells, all the same their autonomy and energy consumption is very high, and apart from the base, these advantages become decisive.
        It will be acceptable to vary the sources of charge and charge carriers.
        Such as batteries, fuel cells in battery dimensions, battery chargers, battery chargers, converters for connecting to a random network, solar panels, internal combustion engines, power supply systems from technical means, tanks, infantry fighting vehicles, wheeled vehicles.
        Somewhere, the Americans are already building a system for the uniform provision of charging and power electronics.
        (in Iraq, some cars ride with a generator in the back, you probably saw these on the market, but what if there is not enough iPhone for a month :)))
        In general, there are a lot of systems that require a lot of current to be consumed, and the parameters of such systems are very different, but combining it all into a reasonable and most important working structure is a very big deal.
        Again, a system of automated control systems of troops is required, they have already shown something at the exercises, but in my opinion it is not everywhere.
        Saturation with unmanned reconnaissance, up to a platoon!
        Communication systems, squad-platoon-company-battalion .... so as not to disturb anyone, but if necessary report to any level, or get such instructions directly.
        Each fighter must have a connection, a navigator compartment, a company cartographic tablet.
        Something is being done in this direction, but it is somehow sluggish, and it is not clear why, then there is no money, then the device, then heavy, now brittle, then uncomfortable.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 8 November 2013 15: 40 New
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          Quote: carbofo
          I think for a power source it’s better not batteries, namely fuel cells

          Carrying hydrogen or methanol on a hump is not particularly safe either.
          1. carbofo
            carbofo 9 November 2013 11: 05 New
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            But the flask of methanol guarantees autonomous platoon for a couple of days if modest.
            And how much will the batteries weigh for 20 days?
            I do not say anything, I just assume, well, think of the most economical by weight it is an internal combustion engine generator, weight from 15 kg a minimum of hundreds of hours.
            Here is the option that the first one got, of course, not on a hump.
            Rated power at 220 V, kW 2.6 Voltage, V 220
            Email outputs 380/220/12, pcs 0/2/1
            Control automation no
            Starter manual starter
            Dimensions, mm 580х430х440
            Weight, kg 41.5
            3000 hours resource
            consumption, I assume a liter of 1.5-2 hours.
            The increased fuel tank capacity of 15 liters allows you to work continuously for more than 10 hours
            methanol is resting!
            But methanol is already more interesting on the hump, since the weight of the battery and the energy intensity are determined by the already carried fuel.
            Given the existing needs, this is not crucial, but given the saturation of the army with electronics, the problem is growing, if the companies still have enough car feeders, then the scouts will not take much with you, neither electronics nor batteries, although they need them like no one else.
  • Marek Rozny
    Marek Rozny 8 November 2013 11: 48 New
    +3
    The latest novelty of the Kazakh military-industrial complex is Temir Otanshyl ("Iron Patriot"). One problem with this superhero is that he is constantly an hour late for exploits ... But if the enemies wait for him, then they are all kapets!
    1. Tommygun
      Tommygun 8 November 2013 16: 25 New
      +5
      Your hero is a wimp, our cooler
  • Clueless
    Clueless 8 November 2013 12: 10 New
    +2
    Yes, it’s possible to create a suit like an iron man without any special difficulties (though armor will be weaker and artificial intelligence is simpler (it hasn’t been invented yet either)), but the current power source for such a suit has not yet been invented.

    All progress rests precisely on the power source, the rest is trifles. A power source will appear, and there will be costumes with exoskeletons, and bellows, and weapons that shoot plasma, etc. Well, spacewalk like in science fiction films. Well, then World War III, because the power that receives these technologies will very quickly be able to roll out countries that do not have them.
    1. Storm
      Storm 8 November 2013 12: 51 New
      +2
      Quote: Bad
      Well, then World War III, because the power that receives these technologies will very quickly be able to roll out countries that do not have them.


      + So this is the essence of the global technological progress of weapons (and the arms race). The rest are simply forced to catch up - otherwise kirdyk.
  • liberty
    liberty 8 November 2013 12: 10 New
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    Not all information about this developed prototype has been written. There is evidence that liquid armor will also be crammed here. And this "Jarvis" will be represented by ordinary primitive AI - that is, a weak operating system that understands voice commands. This is all plausible, I don’t believe only in climate control.) And you forget that if this armor protects from bullets, then the recoil from contact with a bullet does not go anywhere) Take the same ordinary bulletproof vest, as an example. And all the armor seems to have to protect not only the owner, but also all the electronics with hydraulics (that is, an increase in protective components, weight, and price, respectively), otherwise beeeeeeeeeeee - if the filling is damaged, the suit can be thrown away. I think it will take them more than a year to develop, and can you imagine what the price of this device is?) They don't have enough money to distribute these suits to all the infantry. And they wrote above that such a suit needs appropriate service. And do you think if they develop this, then we will not?)
  • poccinin
    poccinin 8 November 2013 12: 25 New
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    in 10-15 years combat robots will be created already now there are prototypes. and against the "scrap there is no reception" there is a weak point and this system. as in star wars. death star. everything is super. but forgot about the ventilation hole 2 by 2 meters. "The devil is not so terrible as he is painted."
  • report4
    report4 8 November 2013 13: 19 New
    +3
    They are "working out" in the wrong direction. To obtain any mobile platform, first of all, powerful compact and reliable energy sources are needed. The idea is to immediately make a mobile exoskeleton, how to start building a house from the roof. The energy source is the basis of the foundations in any design business, all other structural elements are already made around this core and whistles and fakes are screwed on.
  • Muadipus
    Muadipus 8 November 2013 13: 26 New
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    In American fairy tales sung by Hollywood, hungry, rebels armed with antediluvian weapons always defeat equipped cyborgs, due to morale and ingenuity.

    So, fighting spirit and ingenuity - this is certainly not about the Americans. So no skeleton will help them. Well, except for hard labor in the mines.

    And the fact that the development is carried out and the money is pumped in is well done, the less mistakes you make and our developers spend time with money.
  • Muadipus
    Muadipus 8 November 2013 13: 44 New
    +3
    All this is certainly cool from the point of view of progress. BUT, the following picture of the battle is drawn to me: a 10-strong army equipped with exoskeletons with an on-board computer and navigation systems, inspired by their superiority, either march or directly in the attack, in short, in the operational space, they anticipate a quick victory. And then bam and an Electromagnetic bomb from nowhere crept up. :) And all these 10 thousand nimble supermen at the moment turn into paralyzed, or very slowly moving "pioneers handing over scrap metal."

    Why something, but we know how to destroy our own kind.
  • spirit
    spirit 8 November 2013 14: 34 New
    +4
    Oh, dance! joke! how I love our bile specialists))) Exoskeleton? armor? batteries? all YYYY, cut, Amer rubbish. WARRIOR !!! glonass on the sleeve !!! new material !! MIRACLE!! MIRACLE!!)))))
    I think the guys who folded their heads in Beslan, closing off children from bullets, if you could wear something like that would not refuse !! And would not ask questions:
    and nuts like in it cf * t?

    Even if half of this complex will work already success! The other will be brought later in a year, two, five! Better than some. Create a breakthrough technology, forget about it for 40 years and then:
    Oops! Mommies !!! Drones))))))
    Yes, and I think! that when we come closer to creating such (rather sooner) Ragozin will be the first to throw saliva to the right and to the left do not give a damn about all levels of secrecy laughing
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 8 November 2013 15: 51 New
      -1
      Quote: spirit
      Oops! Mommies !!! Drones))))))

      For some, "oh mommy", and some know that the first combat use of drones is the "Yom Kippur War", and that by that time we already had a working prototype. That according to the results of "debriefing" work in this area, we have been intensified. Then, however, Gorbachev happened, and we fell behind. So shta ...
      1. Patton5
        Patton5 8 November 2013 18: 20 New
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        if we had comparable financing with the states, we would have planted potatoes on Mars ...
  • Black
    Black 8 November 2013 15: 01 New
    +3
    [I]In addition to this, a new suit will also receive inflatable cuffs, which, having received a signal from special sensors, will be able to inflate in order to stop bleeding in the event of a wounded soldier. [/ i] .....
    .... and in the event of the death of a soldier, he will continue to live, including with the widow of the deceased !!!
  • Black
    Black 8 November 2013 15: 05 New
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    Quote: spirit
    Better than some.

    You're right. Love is not just for you there, you have to make love ...
  • tchoni
    tchoni 8 November 2013 15: 24 New
    +5
    Guys messing it all up. There are no technologies now that would make an armored suit for a soldier. Count for yourself: the weight of the bronik (the most fashionable) capable of withstanding an armor-piercing bullet from the SVD is 12 kg (the bronk is the most fashionable, the usual one with steel armor plate - 18 weighs). So the area of ​​such a reservation in ed bronik - 0.3 - 0.4 sq.m. in order to book a person - you need somewhere 1.5 - 2 sq. m. - already weight. We multiply (very approximately) 12 by 5 we get 60 kg of armor only. + more electronics (AI systems (even if it weighs like a netbook) 1 kg, optics kg 2 kg plus a multi-level communication system another 1 kg) + 45 kg of the declared weight + (to hell with it we will equip the dude with a powerful and silent generator) 8 kg power system (the lightest of the known kilowatts) + the weight of the fighter himself is 80 kg (let it be like a true superman not fat) + 5 kg of fuel. = total weight is about 200 kg.
    And this is not a little forgive. + increase in size = replacement of the fleet of armored personnel carriers.
    Further: crap costs - mother do not grieve. And organize opposition to it - 2 fingers on the asphalt. An appropriate ammunition is being developed for regular weapons or (if this is not enough) standard weapons are changed (well, for example, to a smoothbore with PBS (see comments above about Blondo bullet, although in this case it will not work)) and that’s all. There are no armored infantrymen. There are clumsy and big goals.

    It’s easier to develop a cheap robot than such a fool.
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      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 8 November 2013 16: 03 New
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        Give your numbers. What is the area of ​​protection from a 7.62 machine gun cartridge of a 14 kg MTV?
        1. tchoni
          tchoni 9 November 2013 10: 42 New
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          there is an interesting little bookie
          M.V. Silnikov and V.A. Khimichev "Means of individual body armor"
          There they tried to educate such things there.
    2. Altair
      Altair 8 November 2013 15: 38 New
      -1
      Quote: tchoni
      brontk the most fashionable, ordinary with steel armor plate - 18 weighs

      And with Chugunieva?
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 8 November 2013 16: 22 New
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        Steel steel discord
        Unparalleled in the world, the American (!!!) ESAPI, protecting from 7,62 × 51 mm, weighs 33 kg square. meter. Even if done in a wrapper, 1.8 square meters. meters pour out 60 kg of armor.
    3. carbofo
      carbofo 9 November 2013 11: 15 New
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      Quote: tchoni
      It’s easier to develop a cheap robot than such a fool.

      And yes and no, a fighter in such equipment can be shot with a feathered sub-caliber bullet, not a problem.
      but how much will a good robot be worth it is a question.
      But everything needs to be developed like this and that, a well-armored infantryman will simply control combat modules!
  • spirit
    spirit 8 November 2013 16: 51 New
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    heh) and really)) why do we need armor and helmets?))) everyone has bullets blond (well, not Belmondo well))))) and special cartridges) but there are also grenade launchers))) machine gun and pants, what else is needed ?)))
    1. tchoni
      tchoni 9 November 2013 10: 34 New
      -1
      Head on shoulders.
      Remember the old anecdote about the brave foreman-ensign who asks young soldiers: "What is the main thing for a soldier?" and answering to himself - "The main thing for a soldier, this, this, like him, on" NE ", .... ah, ntelect!
      But seriously: - The idea most likely will not work in practice. because it’s complicated and abstruse. (Do you want a question for reflection: who will service the battalion of such cyborg attack aircraft in the field? This suit in the service staff is more complicated than the tank and not 30 but 300 in the battalion.)
  • Alex_T
    Alex_T 8 November 2013 17: 00 New
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    Quote: Marek Rozny
    I probably incorrectly put it at the very beginning. Energy is received not from the human body, but from the movements created by man. Attach dynamo devices to moving parts of the exoskeleton.

    The energy / power for powering the watch (0,01 W) is not comparable to the energy of an exoskeleton (100 W). A person can issue, conditionally, a couple of hours of 100 W, or 15 minutes of 250 W. If a soldier just carries the whole load on himself, efficiency = 1. The approximate efficiency of the scheme with a human-generator: human-generator-0,9; generator-accumulator-0,5; battery-electric drive-0,8; electric drive-mechanical transmission-0,9,; total system efficiency - 0,324. So it is better to spend energy on carrying just a load with an efficiency = 1 than a load + exoskeleton with an efficiency = 0,324. The whole point of the exoskeleton is in an external power source, and this is still rather weak. As soon as an inexpensive, compact and capacious power source appears, it will immediately begin to be used everywhere, primarily in cars. Without a good "battery" the exoskeleton is nothing more than an expensive toy for several hours, and then ... "Base, base, ... urgently needs evacuation" or "base, ... drop more batteries."
  • Ivan_Ivanov
    Ivan_Ivanov 8 November 2013 17: 01 New
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    How much will the battery weigh and how much will it last?
  • Frenzzze
    Frenzzze 8 November 2013 19: 18 New
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    So far, only the Japanese have advanced in this .... And this news is not news; all developed countries are engaged in this.
  • vitantin
    vitantin 8 November 2013 19: 53 New
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    Be that as it may, the efforts to protect the lives of their soldiers at any cost from the Americans deserve respect. We would have to learn, and even reports of losses from Chechnya during the storming of buildings where three or four militants were settled are sad. We lose the best. And save money where, where, but not here.
  • The Indian Joe
    The Indian Joe 8 November 2013 20: 39 New
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    Interestingly, how will this suit react to the impact of a powerful microwave electromagnetic pulse that burns out all the electronics? It is unlikely that screening will help.
  • scientist
    scientist 8 November 2013 21: 01 New
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    Now even a modest uniform of a soldier costs at least $ 10. And with such a suit it’s generally scary to think, for sure the cost will be around the price of an armored personnel carrier or tank. But the joke itself is what can happen to a suit with a short circuit with a conventional stun gun, not to mention microwave weapons. In laughter, it will be when all the cuffs stopping the blood work belay
  • voliador
    voliador 8 November 2013 21: 05 New
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    All this is still at the level of promising developments. The weight of the systems with the exoskeleton is such that the energy is not enough for a long time, plus add the weight of equipment, weapons, ammunition - run a couple of kilometers and, as one movie hero said, "the lyricism is over."
  • voliador
    voliador 8 November 2013 21: 05 New
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    All this is still at the level of promising developments. The weight of the systems with the exoskeleton is such that the energy is not enough for a long time, plus add the weight of equipment, weapons, ammunition - run a couple of kilometers and, as one movie hero said, "the lyricism is over."
  • vkrav
    vkrav 8 November 2013 22: 40 New
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    This equipment makes sense with a more or less mass application ... It’s easier to buy enemy equipment spent on such a number of sets laughing
  • Agent 008
    Agent 008 8 November 2013 22: 42 New
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    "Iron Man" seen enough ...
  • And Us Rat
    And Us Rat 9 November 2013 05: 18 New
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    Quote: Spade
    Quote: Altair
    And the armored car with a quarter refueling (armor from 12.7)?

    Let's think it over. The car is standing, one uncle on the turrets, the rest are in a hurry and cover. An order of magnitude more secure. I’m not talking about the tank.


    That's it, Lopatov, you convinced us - progress is useless. bully By the way, when the first tanks appeared in World War I, there were also those who argued that cavalry was faster and more unpretentious, and that the idea of ​​a tank was slag. Attention question! Where are the tanks today and where is the cavalry?
    1. tchoni
      tchoni 9 November 2013 10: 53 New
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      It's not that progress is G ...
      The fact is that from the idea to the real car - a huge way. And from setting the task to its implementation - there can be several of them in general.
      Example:
      Task. Protect the fighter on the battlefield. Cutting losses to a minimum. To increase its capabilities in the information space. mobility and endurance.
      Ways to solve.
      a) make light armored jumpsuit. With appropriate electronic filling. Strengthen F.P. Choose the right medical package. teach them to use.
      b) replace the living fighter on the battlefield with a robot (robot-human system: well, let's say 1 operator for 3-10 robots). operator in the tank - the robot performs tasks.
      c) create a copy of the iron man.

      And I did not puzzle over the task.
      If we proceed from one of the principles of the science of management "inaction is worse than an erroneous action" - yes, the creation of an iron man is justified.
      But talking about orders as in the article, almost for 14 years - is stupid.
  • Cedar
    Cedar 9 November 2013 11: 08 New
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    comrades iron men, welcome to our party, where you will be served our good old Molotov cocktails, well, from a brand new one we’ll serve: termites, surround, microwave remote ...;)
  • Marek Rozny
    Marek Rozny 9 November 2013 11: 47 New
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    But what if we break away from the idea of ​​a soldier-sized exoskeleton and make them gigantic? Analogs in the films "Starship Troopers-3", "Pacific Rim". A huge exoskeleton inside of which there are one or two people (one "walks", the other - shoots). For a large "skeleton", you can already make thick armor (including active protection) and a "battery" more voluminous.
    Do not care what will be too noticeable, the main thing is to make it less vulnerable.
    1. liberty
      liberty 9 November 2013 13: 02 New
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      For such purposes, there are tanks.
    2. abrakadabre
      abrakadabre 11 November 2013 11: 29 New
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      With an increase in the linear dimensions of the subject by half, its mass increases by 2 * 2 * 2 = 8 times.
      In addition, with an increase in the limbs of the anthropomorphic tank, the leverage lengths increase, which means the necessary drive power and the elementary mechanical strength of the joints, rods, etc.
      The high area of ​​destruction, plus the relative "slenderness" (in comparison with the "bar" of a conventional tank) does not contribute to armor resistance.
      That is, the problems increase exponentially with increasing dimensions.
      A 50-100 meter humanoid robot will not only be motionless by definition (well, except to blink the counters, turn your head at extremely low speed or move your finger), but also because of the specific pressure on the ground, it will quickly sink into the ground if it is not on a rocky base .
      In fact, try to calculate a beam (the hand of such a robot) with the following parameters:
      1. sizes are 20-40 meters
      2. fixed on one end (joint)
      3. the mass of armor + mechanisms, weapons and ammunition "kulak"
      4. high strength to shock loads and margin of safety for high manipulation speed (same hand).
      Compare the load at the point of attachment and all sorts of goodies about the limits of elasticity and fluidity of different steels and alloys.
  • Watchman
    Watchman 9 November 2013 14: 15 New
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    But what about in cramped spaces, such as catacombs, caves?
  • Zomanus
    Zomanus 10 November 2013 09: 45 New
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    A very good thing. It is clear that not for linear parts. The main thing is that carrying large loads over long distances.
  • Shaikan
    Shaikan 10 November 2013 10: 54 New
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    lithium polymer batteries, graphene capacitors, etc. XOS-2 and HULC rough operating time. business after time. Russia has prototypes. a sapper suit with a passive exoskeleton and an exoskeleton leg with an assault shield. and you imagine a heavy special forces attack aircraft storming the house where the terrorists settled.
    1. Altair
      Altair 10 November 2013 11: 35 New
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      Quote: Shaikan
      Russia has prototypes. suit sapper with passive exoskeleton и exoskeleton foot with assault shield.

      laughing laughing laughing laughing
  • baku1999
    baku1999 12 November 2013 23: 51 New
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    A IRON LOGGER SUIT WHEN ????????????
  • LAO
    LAO 13 November 2013 15: 59 New
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    Excellent development is useful not only in war, but also for civilian use (mines, loading and unloading, etc.).
    Exoskeletons (legs) for patients with cerebral palsy ...
    Loading and unloading at military bases ...
    Take the wounded man out of the battlefield ...
    Anyone who "pours shit" about this development is either a technical impotent who does not see and does not understand how to eliminate those insignificant, and sometimes inflated shortcomings that they write about here, or for whom - everything else is all shit and thereby asserts itself among such as himself.
    The Soviet Union died because there were too many communists - political leaders criticizing the West (who did not want to work at the same time) and too few techies who were dragging scientific and technological progress, and the political leaders were constantly kicking them because they weren’t to mess around.