Shameful holiday

Every year on June 30 in Western Ukraine there are celebrations commemorating the adoption of the “Act of proclamation of the Ukrainian state” on 1941 in Lviv on this day. But upon careful study of the events of that day, they appear in such an unattractive form that the question arises: in fact, what is there to be proud of? However, judge for yourself.

OUN "Union of the sword and plowshare"

Early in the morning of 30 on June 1941 of the year, Wehrmacht troops entered the lions left by the Red Army. Together with brave warriors, brisk young people appeared in the city, speaking Ukrainian, who settled in the building of Prosvita society. Their hard work was akin to the activities of the Union of the Sword and Shouted by Ostap Bender: “Be brave! Great Germany will help us! ”Without controlling anything, without controlling anything, they hastily divided portfolios, appointed each other ministers, wrote appeals and proclamations.

Towards evening, around the 100 people of Lviv intelligentsia were gathered (or rather, driven together) in the building of Prosvity. Many of those present were surprised to learn that they are the delegates of the Ukrainian people (by whom delegated? When?) And are present at the Great Assembly of Ukrainians, the main and sole purpose of which is to proclaim the Ukrainian state and create a government.

Timid proposals to postpone the event for a day or two and hold it in a more solemn atmosphere befitting such a solemn event were stopped at the root. The inventors of the action did not hide their haste: run, run, grab bags, the station departs! Part of the delegates thought not so much about the significance of the event, as about the need to get out of here as soon as possible: it was already dusk, they were shooting in the streets, orders to impose a curfew were hanging on the pillars.

How it all happened

The meeting was opened by Yaroslav Stetsko, deputy guide of the OUN Stepan Bandera, from whom he conveyed fraternal greetings to the delegates. After a brief speech, the Act and the composition of the newly formed government were read from the balcony. Next came the chaplain of the Nachtigall battalion, Fr. Grinyokh, representative of the Regional Provincial OUN, envoy of Metropolitan Andrey Sheptytsky Joseph Slipy and representative of the German army. The meeting conveyed greetings to Bandera (which the Germans intercepted and sent back to Krakow), to the glorious invincible German Wehrmacht and (of course!) To Adolf Hitler.

Even the performance of the representative of the German command Hauptmann Hans Koch, who declared that while the war is going on, should not be spoiled by the organizers, all kinds of political actions should be postponed, and the Führer in Berlin will decide the fate of Ukraine.

The meeting ended with the singing of the national anthem.

Many of the participants of this action dispersed in bewilderment. What does the "new order" bring to Ukraine? How does a new government imagine its activity? What is it going to do? How will it interact with the German authorities? None of these questions were answered at the Assembly. The organizers of the show themselves rushed to Lviv radio station, where they read the Act twice live.

(The description of the action is based on the memories of the direct participants of the event: Doctor of Theology Gavrila Kostelnik and Konstantin Pankovsky, who received the post of Deputy Minister of Internal Affairs in the government of Stetsko. Their memories deserve more confidence than the “works” of modern Ukrainian historians.)

What was in the Act

Many Internet resources, reproducing the text of the Act on their pages, shamefully shorten it, withdrawing the 3 clause, and there are reasons for this. The future is proclaimed at this point. close interaction with Great Germanyled by Adolf Hitler in creating a new order in Europe и joint with the German army struggle against the Moscow occupation. Interestingly, the OUN-UPA supporters tearing their breasts in shirts ever read the full version of this document?

And do not tell tales that according to the plans of the OUN, Ukraine should have become an independent state, built on democratic principles, conducting its independent policy. It was necessary to choose: either with Stalin against Hitler, or with Hitler against Stalin, there simply could not be any third option.

The leaders of the OUN saw the revived Ukraine as a loyal ally of Germany and as a frankly fascist state. Did they know what the regime they praised about Hitler was? They knew! For almost two years, from September 1939 to June 1941, “fighters for an independent Ukraine” lived in occupied Poland and saw the Nazi regime in action with their own eyes. They knew about the extermination of the Jews, and about the Gestapo, and about the SD. But neither Bandera, nor Stetsyuk, nor Melnik had anything against it, and they were all ready to do this and were eager to introduce them in Ukraine.

The next morning

The next day, the UGP (Ukrainian government) continued its activities. Lviv was declared the temporary capital of the state (before the capture of Kiev), Lviv city and regional administrations, and Stanislav region were formed. 4 July UGP sent greetings to the wrestling brothers and fellow fighters (the list is worth bringing it in full): Adolf Hitler, Joachim Ribbentrop, Hermann Göring, Francisco Franco, Benito Mussolini and Ante Pavelic (leader of the Croatian Ustashes).

In all parts of the occupied Ukraine, representatives of the UGP rushed to bring the good news about the re-establishment of the Ukrainian state (and at the same time to take local power in their hands). According to Ukrainian sources, thousands of rallies were held in the provincial cities of Galicia and Volyn, in which Ukrainians expressed their fervent joy at gaining independence.

(How do you imagine this? A crowd of many thousands gathers in the newly captured city on the central square, and the Germans do not react to it at all? Frankly speaking, it is hard to believe: in that situation all meetings of more than three people could be held only with the consent of the Germans authorities, and thousands of meetings - only under the control of German soldiers and in the presence of a pair of machine guns - to ensure order. The occupation regime, you know.)

And in Lviv itself, the work of the power builders relied on a specific military force - the Nachtigall battalion, which was formed from the Ukrainians, the structural unit of the Abwehr regiment Brandenburg. It was these guys in the form of Wehrmacht soldiers who seized state institutions for the future authorities of the new Ukraine, a radio station, a printing house, provided security for the Assembly and the statesmen themselves, resolved minor misunderstandings with German soldiers.

On a damaged June 29, 1941 near Soviet Dubno tank it is written: "Heil Hitler! Glory to Ukraine!"

Show duration 6 days

And then the Germans came, and it was all over. No, they were before, but the Wehrmacht units were not interested in politics. The soldiers occupied military sites, weapons and fuel depots, their task was to further advance, they were waited by Kiev, Moscow. But when, following the Wehrmacht, the Gestapo, the SD and the head of the occupational administration appointed by the Fuhrer came, the show entitled “Independent Ukrainian State” immediately ended.

The officials who came from Berlin got into the situation, at first they were very amazed, and then they simply became enraged. So, the gallant German soldiers fight the Bolsheviks, lay down their heads, and when the territory watered with their blood must come under the control of the German authorities, no one knows where the lads come from and say: “Tse ours!”

On the Lviv events of July 5 reported to the Fuhrer, and he ordered Himmler "to restore order." Himmler arrested everyone he could reach, and packed the prisoners into a concentration camp, where, by the way, not only political opponents of the regime fell. For the barbed wire sent criminals, Wehrmacht soldiers, who changed the oath, and even loyal members of the party and the SS, who violated the laws of the Reich. (It was from these prisoners that Dirlewanger recruited the addition of murderers to his team.)

So you should not put Bandera and his colleagues in the merit of being in a concentration camp: they got there not for their fight against the Hitler regime, but for the banal violation of German labor discipline. A little later, Miller got into the same camp and tried to turn a similar scam in Kiev. Sworn enemies appeared in the next chambers.

For what?

OUN members who happened to be in Sachsenhausen probably often asked themselves this question. After all, they constantly declared their readiness to cooperate with Germany and were ready to cooperate, but why ?! From the height of the past years, what they puzzled over is obvious to us. Hitler did not need cooperating Ukraine. The fate of the occupied state is complete and unquestioning obedience, even without any hint of independence. Ukraine was to become the supplier of free bread, lard, milk, coal, minerals and cannon fodder to Germany.

And no one should be deceived by the involvement of Ukrainian collaborators in the Abwehr and the SD. The British and French, fighting against each other in North America, also entered into alliances with Indian tribes, but did not consider them equal to themselves, and at the end of hostilities cut out cleaned.

Otsdka on banderovsky

The concentration camp is not a sanatorium, let's say frankly. But if someone thinks Stepa Bandera and his ilk were waving a kyle in the camp, he is so mistaken. The conditions of detention in the special block of Sachsenhausen were very different from the general ones. Prisoners could go to each other, communicate, had family visits, food parcels were allowed. Along with the OUN in the special block were: the former Austrian Chancellor Schuschnigg, the former French Prime Minister Daladier, the son of Marshal of Italy Badoglio, the leader of the Romanian fascists Horia Sim (who did not please General Antonescu) and the political roach smaller. 300 OUN-katsetnikov (so called inmates) were released 299. The Red Army men who sat in Sachsenhausen had a completely different mortality statistics.

Why released?

In September 1944, OUN prisoners were released. Forgiven the Germans OUN? Nothing like that! They just needed the “Indians” for the partisan war in the Ukraine they were leaving. It took a strong leader able to organize armed resistance in the rear of the Red Army. They remembered Bandera, who hated the Soviet government, who shot his father and the exiled sisters. (True, the two brothers who were tortured by the Nazis in Auschwitz, he forgave the Germans, apparently, he did not like them so much.) The subsequent fate of Bandera and the activities of the OUN since 1944 have already gone beyond the article, this is a topic for another conversation.

What to be proud of?

Can 30 June 1941 events be considered the pride of Ukraine? A group of adventurers, without any authority to do so, taking advantage of the moment (as long as the owner was away), self-proclaimed herself the leadership of a country whose territory they did not control. Apparently, they hoped that the Nazis, like a fur coat from the master's shoulder, would throw off Ukraine to them. And for this, OUN members openly proclaimed themselves fascists and were ready as equal partners to take the most active part in the activities that were qualified in Nuremberg as “crimes against humanity”.

Only the Third Reich did not need allies, satellites, but needed slaves and toadies. Therefore, the independent Ukrainian state proclaimed by 30 of June existed exactly 6 days, until the true owner came and put order in the house. So is it worth being proud of?

Memorial sign on the former building "Prosviti" on the square. Market in Lviv, where 30 June 1941 was proclaimed the Act on the restoration of the Ukrainian State

Sources of information
http://newzz.in.ua/ukrain/1148871523-pro-akt-30-iyunya-1941-go.html
http://ru.wikipedia.org
http://www.evangelie.ru/forum/t89746.html
http://bruchwiese.livejournal.com/88171.html
http://www.lviv4you.com

Comments

[aszzz888]

Really VERY Doubtful holiday. For good, forget it like a nightmare, and not remember the unfinished tridents.

[smel]

Author PLUS. Good stuff. I learned some points for the first time

[vladimirZ]

A similar snapshot of the traitors parade. The Galicians were, are and will be our enemies, this is transmitted to them with mother’s milk. And the Galicians should not be confused with the Ukrainians, this is a different people, who lived under the Austrians almost all the time.
They need to be separated from Ukraine, immediately the strife between Ukraine and Russia will cease. And the West of Galicia will quickly clamp its tail.

[Apologet.Ru]

Gentlemen, comrades, brothers and sisters, my friends are turning to you!
Ukrainians and Russians are the peoples of the brothers who were, are, and will be!
Do not confuse and do not offend them by their kinship with the "zapadentsy" - the Galicians who support VO "Svoboda", these last Nazi bastards from the SS men from the Nazi guard of Galicia, mercenary punishers from the battalions of Nachtigall and Roland, and the Bandera population of the Reich's friendly troops - the Third under the slogan "There is no God but Bandera, and Tyagnibok is his prophet."
And the so-called Western Ukraine - Galicia has never been Ukraine!
Galicians differ from real Russians in everything - psychology, anthropological type and (most importantly!) Non-Slavic origin.
Yes Yes! It is non-Slavic! Subconsciously, the natives of Western Ukraine are still aware of this. Even those who did not read anything at all - neither historical books, nor tear-off wall calendars. Anyone who communicated with the inhabitants of the Lviv or Ivano-Frankivsk regions knows the local expression - "racial Galician." “The yogi squad is a racial Galician!” - they will proudly tell you. Or: "Pan Zenik is a reference racial Galician." And they will point out to the swirling “Kurdupel” (in our opinion, a short-legged subchik) with ideological hysteria in his eyes.
But if there is a definition, then there must be a phenomenon - some local Galician race. Simply put, a human breed that is not radically similar to Poltava or Chernihiv. So what did she get out of?
The answer can be found in any monograph on Slavic ethnogenesis.
At the turn of the old and new era, the Slavs in Galicia were not yet. It was inhabited by the bearers of the so-called "culture of the Carpathian mounds" - the Dacian tribe of carps. Ancient Dacians are the ancestors of today's Romanians and Moldavians. In the II century, under the emperor Trajan, the Romans conquered them, having founded the province of Dacia on the territory of present-day Romania.
But the conquerors did not reach the Carpathians themselves and Upper Transnistria. The poor local territories, inhabited by backward savages, simply did not interest the natives of Italy. They had enough fleece of their own, and it did not make sense to chase some goat-footed satyrs in the meadows for the sake of military glory. Dacian carps were left alone, giving them the opportunity to exist in their "culture of the Carpathian mounds."
This continued until the era of the Great Migration of Peoples, when the Slavs began to seep here from Volyn. In the 5th – 6th centuries, this part of the Dacians, falling under their authority, lost its language and switched to the Slavic dialect, naturally distorting it. From the Dacians, obeying the Romans, came the Romanians and Moldavians. And of those remnants that recognized the superiority of the Slavs, the current Galicians. Thus, it would not be an exaggeration to say that the Galicians are, in fact, Slavic Moldavians.
“The historical path of the culture of the Carpathian kurgans,” says the “Old History of Ukraine” published in 1995 in Kiev, “by way of an illustration of the assimilation of old words by the Geto-Dacians. It is possible, in the most common manifestation, to glimpse the great causes of the freakishness of the words of ethnic groups, who live in the Carpathians. "
But why is it possible? Personally, looking at how the Hutsuls with their national tomahawks are jumping around the vatra, I have no doubt one bit about the reasons for this “self-determination”. The same Romanian-Moldavian (Geto-Dacian!) Melodies, the same hunchbacked non-Slavic faces, exactly the same captars embroidered with Carpathian tsatsk tsatskas inside. While they are silent, you cannot distinguish them from Moldavians at all!

[Apologet.Ru]

In the new history, Galicia until the 1939 year is the ghetto of Europe (which actually does not even have its own industry, however, as now) and the litter for Poland, Austria-Hungary and fascist Germany.
If it weren’t for the Soviet Union with the “m. Oskaly” in the 1939, which made it possible for it to exist and be called Western Ukraine as such, and its inhabitants - Ukrainians (!), Then they would still be sucked out of these cities. would be proud of it!
Yes, and now they mostly plow guest workers with nostalgia.
Throughout their history, they fought with Kievan Rus, the Ukrainian Cossacks and Orthodoxy, therefore, in fact, they have no right to be called Ukrainians!
OUN men of all stripes and UPA men have always been SEPARATISTS.
Their goal is "NOT COVERED GALICHYA", not "FREE UKRAINE".
At least one member of the UPA or OUN fought for Kiev or Kharkov, Odessa or Sevastopol, Lugansk or Krivoy Rog, stormed Berlin?
But on the second day of the war, they shot in the back the wars of the Red Army and met with fascist troops with flowers!
Therefore, when the Galician ruling elite and the nationalist opposition speak of the “unity” of Ukraine, one should be aware that this refers to the unconditional surrender to the ideas of Bandera, the ideals of mercenaries from the special battalions and SS men of Galicia, Russophobia of the OUN-UPA and outspoken nationalist totalitarianism - the ideology formed in Galicia by the centuries-old efforts of Poles and Austrians, which boils down to the fact that the Ukrainian should fiercely hate everything Russian, including in himself.

[bagpipe]

Dear, traitors are those hundreds of thousands of Russian military personnel who, in violation of the first oath to the Union, then swore allegiance to the ROA. and these girls did not swear allegiance to either Comrade Stalin or Savetskam. So whom did they betray?
And about the enemies - chaotically in the head and in the heads - the Syrians - brothers, Ukrainians - enemies)))

[VARCHUN]

Maybe this Lviv celebrates this holiday, but not in all of Ukraine, and even more so in the east of the country.

[zmey_gadukin]

The first time I hear about this holiday ...

[Bigriver]

... The fate of the occupied state is complete and unquestioning submission, even without any hint of independence. Ukraine was to become for Germany a supplier of free bread, lard, milk, coal, minerals and cannon fodder.

Now the editorial staff is a little different, but the essence is the same - full submission to EU standards in the economy, the use of cheap labor, the opening of the market for goods manufactured in the EU with the inevitable destruction of any complex production.
And as a result, the degradation of the people and the destruction of productive forces.
Instead of personal Hitler, collective Brussels was chosen.

[ele1285]

Now the EU will capture Kiev, approach Moscow. And then it will be STALINGRAD.

[Grandson of Veteran]

Oh, they are throwing minuses to you now!
"Integrals" don't like it when the bitter homespun truth is voiced! To my personal regret, Ukrainian society is already split along the lines of the Second World War, the East of the country with Russia, the West ... hmm ... not with Russia. Can you imagine such a "holiday" somewhere in Donetsk? Or the procession of "heroes" of UNA-UNSO in Dnepropetrovsk?

[Garrin]

Quote: Veteran's grandson

"Integrals" don't like it when the bitter homespun truth is voiced! To my personal regret, Ukrainian society is already split along the lines of the Second World War, the East of the country with Russia, the West ... hmm ... not with Russia. Can you imagine such a "holiday" somewhere in Donetsk? Or the procession of "heroes" of UNA-UNSO in Dnepropetrovsk?

Actually, you are an optimist, God grant you. However, I am afraid that both Donetsk and Dnepropetrovsk have already tasted the dispute scattered by the orange-tree authorities. The new generation in these disputes has grown up and now, I do not expect anything good (personally from me) from them.

[Yashka Gorobets]

Two letters from the head of the Greek Catholic Church, Andrey Sheptitsky.



Congratulatory letter to Hitler after the capture of Kiev on September 23, 1941

Your Excellence! As the head of the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church, I convey to Your Excellency my heartfelt congratulations on the seizure of the capital of Ukraine, the golden-headed city on the Dnieper - Kiev! .. We see in you an invincible commander of an incomparable and glorious German army. The task of destroying and eradicating Bolshevism, which you, the Führer of the Great German Reich, set for yourself on this campaign, provides your Exsession with the gratitude of the entire Christian world. The Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church is aware of the true significance of the mighty movement of the German people under your leadership ... I will pray to God for the blessing of victory, which will guarantee a lasting peace for your Excellence, the German Army and the German People.

Sheptytsky would not have been the right Svidomo if she hadn’t written yet such a letter:

To the ruler of the USSR, the commander in chief and the great marshal of the invincible Red Army, Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin greetings and nods. After a victorious campaign from the Volga to San and further, you again annexed the western Ukrainian lands to Great Ukraine. For the realization of the cherished desires and aspirations of Ukrainians, who for centuries have considered themselves to be one people and wanted to be united in one state, the Ukrainian people are sincerely grateful to you. These bright events and the tolerance with which you relate to our Church have also aroused hope in our Church that she, like all the people, will find in the USSR under your leadership complete freedom of work and development in prosperity and happiness. For all this follows you, Supreme Leader, deep gratitude from all of us.

Miter. Andrey Sheptytsky. October 10, 1944

[qwert1707]

Yes, there is no one this Ukrainian labor force is cheap in the EU and unnecessary for nothing ...
There "their" Poles, Balts, Bulgarians, Romanians, etc. nowhere to go ...
Industry and production Ukraine successfully p .... la in 90 years ...
Unnecessary Europe Ukrainian consumer goods and vysery remnants of industry ..
And they are striving for Europe, so that it would be bolder to reach out for the long Eurodollar ...
Because with Russia this is already not rolling.

[Oidsoldier]

Ukrainian consumer goods is already hard to find. Chinese - yes.

[VARCHUN]

We do not have consumer goods, you would have looked in your own country and it might become clear in your head, and so you’re scribbling all sorts of things from your X8888 belfry.

[dark_65]

why not? Western Ukraine is a finished product of consumer goods for Europe

[qwert1707]

1. SHIRPOTREB, aa man, collect. (decomp.). Reduction: widespread consumption - manufactured goods
wide demand.
in our country there is a lot of consumer goods, both Chinese and Ukrainian ... and our people are buying Ukrainian consumer goods ... but whether they will buy it in Europe is a very big question ??????
And if now, they close the borders of Russia, for Ukrainian consumer goods, oh your hard industry will have to ...
And the thing seems to be going to this ...
You can continue to be proud of your "great, mighty, independent Ukraine", but only without the damned her you have a complete anal opening ...
And from my bell tower, it is very clearly visible ... if that.

[zmey_gadukin]

Quote: qwert1707

Unnecessary Europe Ukrainian consumer goods and vysery remnants of industry ..

you be careful with the words ... it’s too early to bury the industry of Ukraine.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: zmey_gadukin

.It is still burying the industry of Ukraine.

Quote: Oidsoldier

Ukrainian consumer goods is already hard to find.

Cho argue that she died, she died

[My address]

I am from your comments lately bastard. Often unexpected twists and turns, humor with satire, well, how to roll millimeters of 150 borscht.

[Dmitriy1975]

Apparently, it's time.

[I am a Russian]

Quote: zmey_gadukin

.It is still burying the industry of Ukraine.

Yes you are right . For the processing of nuclear waste, industrial areas, equipment, and a slave are needed. power. And how much more scrap metal on the land of Ukraine? Yes, Ukraine will soon come out on top in the collection of scrap metal.
They will not remain without work.

[RBLip]

Quote: ele1285

Now the EU will capture Kiev, approach Moscow. And then it will be STALINGRAD

really. I read an article about this "holiday" and understood that history is making another ring. only a larger scale (now the entire territory of the Ukrainian SSR), and more time (20 years already). Well, instead of Nazi Germany, a geyropa will now come to Ukraine.

[mithridate]

time goes on, and people still step on the same rake ...

[butch]

One word devilish demons

[roller2]

Well, how else would I find out about such holidays as not from the pages of Russian sites . Now I'm definitely going to celebrate (a joke).

What to be proud of?

Who told you that someone is proud of it?
What is someone celebrating?
A bunch of Bendery shortcomings? So, most of Ukrainians do not take them seriously, why didn’t they bite their fingers and did not poke their fingers into the socket.
Bender was still a fascist henchman and remained.
I do not pay attention to the flag from Ukraine.

[Egoza]

Quote: rolik2

Who told you that someone is proud of it?
What is someone celebrating?
A bunch of Bendery shortcomings? So, most of Ukrainians do not take them seriously, why didn’t they bite their fingers and did not poke their fingers into the socket.

This is bad that they do not take it seriously, but they are already arranging torchlight processions in Kiev! This is how the seizure of power begins on a sly under the slogan "We are to Europe". At first, no one took Hitler seriously either. And the fascists came to power through "democratic" elections. Unfortunately, the current rulers only want to think about their own pockets. And they would have thought about what these same young men would do to them, if God forbid, they did come to power, there would be "a completely different calico"!

[VARCHUN]

And what are the Nazi banners doing in Yaroslavl and Moscow, huh?

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Varchun

And what are the Nazi banners doing in Yaroslavl and Moscow, huh?

So the kazla, who will be hijacked and imprisoned, but these will not be jailed in Ukraine, will still shake hands

[loft79]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

So the kazla, who will be found and imprisoned

I would say kazly and dol ... s or provocateurs.

[AndreyAB]

Dear, there are enough morons everywhere, but it will never become a state. country’s politics, and you teach children in schools to wear the fascist uniform and sell their land for 30 billion bucks, wake up, they sold you.

[MG42]

Quote: Varchun

And what are the Nazi banners doing in Yaroslavl and Moscow, huh?

Frosty football ultras is one thing, look at Dynamo Kyiv ultras for comparison
Another thing Tyagnibok throws up his hand mechanically right in the Rada >>


A grandfather from the UPA rides in the center of Kiev near the monument to Bogdan Khmelnitsky on Sophia Square

[MG42]

Fans Lviv football club "Carpathians"

[korben]

For this trick of local cattle, FIFA pulled FFU! And the stadium Arena Lviv was disqualified for a decent period!

[Hudo]

Quote: Korben

For this trick of local cattle, FIFA pulled FFU! And the stadium Arena Lviv was disqualified for a decent period!

Kuguto-cattle in response, in all seriousness, declared that they were to blame for everything ... "oaths m-grin". Say, "Gazprom" sponsors FIFA, and FIFA, as a puppet of "Gazprom" spread rot racially correct fascist Carpathian Indians.
Neither give nor take - a complete fatal error.

[Vidok]

It is a pity that many people confuse or, or, as it is now fashionable, associate Ukraine with Ukrainian nationalists who have partial support in a couple of regions of western Ukraine. And I am from Ukraine, and my distant relatives are from the West, and believe me, neither my distant relatives are delighted with all this hype around the glorification of these CPS from the UPA.

[VARCHUN]

At least you have explained this beauty to these lapotniks who think that we have such holidays. Yes, these dark youngsters are not defeated, and there is also an older vet.

[MG42]

Quote: rolik2

I do not pay attention to the flag from Ukraine.

And why is it broadcasting through Israel?

Quote: rolik2

A bunch of Bendery shortcomings? So, most of Ukrainians do not take them seriously, why didn’t they bite their fingers and did not poke their fingers into the socket.

Unfortunately, this handful, since the Freedom party entered the Rada, is now gaining weight every day .. there were torchlight processions in almost all Ukrainian cities, of course this party enjoys success among students, it is they who cover their faces with masks of UPA marches so that not recognized and not expelled from universities ..

[Turkestan]

After the declaration of the Independence Act, supporters of Stepan Bandera staged pogroms in Lviv. Even before the war, Ukrainian Nazis made black lists, as a result, 6 thousand people were killed in the city in 7 days.

[combat192]

Partisan detachment with a traitor.

[revnagan]

Quote: Tommygun

And three Ukrainians?

Three hetman ...

[Standard Oil]

Something is unlucky for Ukraine to become independent, then it appears under a German boot that kicks her hard, then it appears in a drunken stupor of three men at 91, to later turn into a European bedding, and no Boston Tea Parties or Coronation at Versailles ", no one will paint a beautiful picture like the one that depicts Bismarck presenting the crown to William I in the conquered Versailles, when a German child can proudly point to it and say:" Yes, that is how the Great German Empire was born! "And what in Ukraine? A photo with women marching in front of grinning Germans? Who will then be scattered around the bardels for drunken German soldiers? Or a photo from the "Belovezhsky agreements" with three drunken faces of chronic drunks? And say: "Yes, so Ukraine was born!" Yes, everyone will just laugh. Or maybe it would be better to take a photo of "The Liberation of Kiev" in 1943, and not lick more obediently a German boot?

[VARCHUN]

Listen, I certainly won’t tell you that your horizons are no more than a children's bucket, almost everything went under the German boot to the war, and 91 signed 3 P **** from three republics, but everyone knows what happened to Russia since 91 and you don’t have to pose as a representative of a happy country with smart rulers. One Yeltsin is enough to be a drunkard No. 1, and his daughter has plundered the country to the point. Why are you silent, and now to whom F *** your rulers are licking something you can’t see the rise in Russia .

[Standard Oil]

Quote: Varchun

under the German boot all went to the war well, almost all

Many have visited, but only Ukraine declared "independence" so to speak under the "wise oversight" of the Germans.

Quote: Varchun

and 91 signed 3 P **** from three republics

Here I completely agree with you.

Quote: Varchun

what has happened to Russia since 91, everyone knows everything and there is no need to pose as a representative of a happy country with smart rulers

And what I "put", tell me where, I'll rearrange.

Quote: Varchun

Yeltsin alone is enough he is drunk number 1

I agree again.

Quote: Varchun

Why are you silent

Went away on business, by status is not visible?

Quote: Varchun

and now to whom F *** your rulers lick something that is not visible rise in Russia

The same to whom yours are, but not with such passion and ardor.

Quote: Varchun

your horizons are no more than a children's bucket

Thank you for appreciating my horizons, from the foregoing it is obviously more than yours.

[smersh70]

... I told you ... yesterday's articles will not end like this ... this gimmick will continue for a long time until Ukraine joins the CU .....

[Tommygun]

Quote: Tommygun

I recall the old army mystery:

One Khokhl is a fighter.
Two Ukrainians - a partisan detachment.

And three Ukrainians?

Guess - partisan detachment with a traitor

[combat192]

Otsdka on banderovsky

Former President of Ukraine Yushchenko said that his father was addicted to coffee in a concentration camp.

[combat192]

I wonder who and for what minus. I didn’t come up with anything. Mr. Yushchenko spoke about this himself.

[Dim1]

Quote: Yashka Gorobets

Two letters from the head of the Greek Catholic Church, Andrey Sheptitsky.



Congratulatory letter to Hitler after the capture of Kiev on September 23, 1941

Your Excellence! As the head of the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church, I convey to Your Excellency my heartfelt congratulations on the seizure of the capital of Ukraine, the golden-headed city on the Dnieper - Kiev! .. We see in you an invincible commander of an incomparable and glorious German army. The task of destroying and eradicating Bolshevism, which you, the Führer of the Great German Reich, set for yourself on this campaign, provides your Exsession with the gratitude of the entire Christian world. The Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church is aware of the true significance of the mighty movement of the German people under your leadership ... I will pray to God for the blessing of victory, which will guarantee a lasting peace for your Excellence, the German Army and the German People.

Sheptytsky would not have been the right Svidomo if she hadn’t written yet such a letter:

To the ruler of the USSR, the commander in chief and the great marshal of the invincible Red Army, Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin greetings and nods. After a victorious campaign from the Volga to San and further, you again annexed the western Ukrainian lands to Great Ukraine. For the realization of the cherished desires and aspirations of Ukrainians, who for centuries have considered themselves to be one people and wanted to be united in one state, the Ukrainian people are sincerely grateful to you. These bright events and the tolerance with which you relate to our Church have also aroused hope in our Church that she, like all the people, will find in the USSR under your leadership complete freedom of work and development in prosperity and happiness. For all this follows you, Supreme Leader, deep gratitude from all of us.

Miter. Andrey Sheptytsky. October 10, 1944

Sheptytsky - "krasava"! Bent in all directions, invertebrate.

[godun]

Each government, if necessary, rewrites or, in official language, rethinks historical events. If there is nothing to "rethink", then they set up here, retouched there and woo, the black goose became a white swan, and even easier they came up with something like this, like November 4 ... That the authorities of the Russian Federation, that in Ukraine, the goal is one, there is not much way differ ... After a couple of generations, they will only know THIS Bandera, as now part of the youth of Japan, believes that the USSR dropped a nuclear bomb on them.

[Cristall]

I was in Lviv, I saw a memorial plaque ... in general, if every time they discuss the holiday in Western Ukraine --- oh, how much news there will be.
If anyone is going to, this is just a bunch, and not some kind of holiday. Given that the text of the Act is also on Wiki, and there is an unpleasant cooperation with the Reich, then this event is worthless.
And many Ukrainians have no idea what these individuals signed there and what it is, even our wretched government does not make it a "SHCHIRIM" HOLIDAY ..... And they don't bother. So do not worry too. It’s fashionable to kick the whole of Ukraine for a bunch of specific personalities (and always in Z. Ukraine) once again, but end it. VO is not intended for this.

[qwert1707]

Yes, no one is kicking the whole of Ukraine ... it is necessary to kick the Ukrainian politicians, because they allow the sorties of the shortcomings of the SS and their henchmen ...

[GastaClaus69]

C'mon, hi write. As a Russian living in Ukraine, it’s always fun to read this to me, especially in the morning. I read the ravings, I smile and the mood for the whole day is good. As they say, smile more, live longer!

[VARCHUN]

You see, they write that those who don’t even know about Ukraine do not feel sick of them already.

[I am a Russian]

Quote: Varchun

they write those who generally don’t know about Ukraine,

It is enough to know the following to have an idea of ​​what Ukrainian and Ukraine are:

Bandera

Western Ukraine is an internal "enemy", one of the culprits of all the troubles of Ukraine

eastern Ukraine - supposedly brothers, but stole gas from Russia ...

mo8sk8al8i are those who are not from Ukraine; those who "ate" Ukraine. External enemies of Ukraine

foreign land sales to states

[I am a Russian]

Quote: I am a Russian

Quote: Varchun
they write those who generally don’t know about Ukraine,


laughing

It is enough to know the following to have an idea of ​​what Ukrainian and Ukraine are:

Bandera

Quote: MG42

After the UPA march in Kiev, a concert was held in Kiev, where Bandera and Shukhevych were glorified, in principle it is understandable without translation, the songs are ambiguous, moreover, petty remixed from other popular Soviet songs, for example, this "Oh Odessa pearl by the sea!" Was remade <ah Bandero ! Ukrainian apostle ..>

and the video is

Quote: I am a Russian

mo8sk8al8i

and such a video is topwar.ru/35589-protivostoyat-banderizacii.html#

[Vidok]

I support. After all, because of Russian natsiks, no one inflates the topic of "Fascist Russia", or does not tell jokes that every second president is a resident.

[loft79]

Quote: Vidok

After all, because of the Russian Natsiks, no one inflates the topic of "Fascist Russia"

"Russian Nazis" are mostly commonplace "skins" (subculture, if this word is appropriate). They do not hang honor boards and do not erect monuments to Vlasov.

You understand, Ukraine is not oahayut here. It’s just that your current power condones fascist manifestations. It annoys people. Attitude towards Ukrainians mainly (there is no absolute ) friendly.

Sincerely.

[George]

Khobits of the Caucasus also consider theirs, maybe even holidays are celebrated somewhere in remote places by the proclamation of the caliphate.
I agree with Crystal, why procrastinate this topic.

[Drosselmeyer]

From HF, everything was photographed in a photograph as with fish after fishing. Anti-aircraft gunners were knocked out, and then all and sundry began to sculpt tablets.

[Fin]

Quote: Drosselmeyer

From HF, everything was photographed in a photograph as with fish after fishing. Anti-aircraft gunners were knocked out, and then all and sundry began to sculpt tablets.

Maybe all and sundry, but the leaflets were prepared in advance.

[HAM]

Quote from Y. Lutsenko: “It is better to allow gay parades once a year than to wait for Russian tanks every day ..

[Vasyan1971]

And what, gay parades are a means against Russian tanks?

[HAM]

Quote from Y. Lutsenko: “It is better to allow gay parades once a year than to wait for Russian tanks every day ..

[mithridate]

Y. Lutsenko is a mentally unhealthy person. After reading the quote above, I remembered an American general who had jumped out of the window shouting "Russian tanks have broken through!"

[ele1285]

From Tavria?

[URAL72]

Not just a general ...

The first ever US Secretary of Defense, James Vincent Forrestal, threw himself out of the window of a military hospital shouting, "The Russians are coming!" For all the tragicomic nature of this iconic situation, the deranged American general could be understood: the Russians did not just walk at that time - they flew forward on the wings of the great Victory, so that Stalin even had to restrain the marshals who were ready to throw the wedges of their tank corps and further to the English Channel.

[AndreyAB]

Chita, the early Nazis of Okrainskie, that the current ones, have not changed anything, for the sake of their own pockets, they are ready to outskirts the country, even the fascists, even the Tolerasts of the West, even the Chinese to rent for the next hundred years to drive for thirty pieces of silver (30 billion - symbolically), and they are afraid of Russia because they will not Outskirts of trading - it’s a pity the people still didn’t understand that the zapadents sold it - it’s a pity.

[Sashko07]

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the first time I hear about this holiday ...

You read articles on this site and you learn not so much about Ukraine

[Dmitriy1975]

Another provocation, the author of the article should be attracted for inciting ethnic hatred, give 5 years, even if he sells ass on the bunk.

[korben]

On this site, recently, it’s even welcome! Rather, five more of this kind, statues will appear to amuse the public and amuse their vanity!

[mithridate]

and what is the ethnic hatred? And as for the article - you won’t erase the words from the song, that was, it was

[Etruscan]

Hmm, I didn’t know that in Ukraine there is such a holiday. Although it may in fascist Lviv this bother, but quietly. :)

[Sergey Medvedev]

Quote: Varchun

You see, they write that those who don’t even know about Ukraine do not feel sick of them already.

Of course, I know that in Moscow there are small piles of 3,14 doraces with swastikas. And who is General Vlasov I remember. But in Russia, no one will award them the title of national hero. And the Ukrainian authorities are heroing every Bender bastard. You obviously have more omissions in this area, comrades Ukrainians.

[zveroboy61]

Grandfather liberated Ukraine, said, if we had not been driven to the west, then the forests in western Ukraine would have been
cleared of all debris. And the "holiday" he made and rejoices, the clinic.

[Karlsonn]

Quote: zveroboy61

Grandfather liberated Ukraine, said, if we had not been driven to the west, then the forests in western Ukraine would have been
cleared of all garbage.

And the forests were cleared of "garbage", though a little later these are the guys.

The UH group smashed UPA nationalists in the Carpathians 1947-1949.

[Karlsonn]

Article "Hunters for Bandera" with a bunch of comrade photos Colonel Cassad here --- http://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/1267155.html

[zveroboy61]

They knew their work, respect.

[Karlsonn]

Quote: zveroboy61

They knew their work, respect.

... - Yes, there were people in our time,
Not that the current tribe ...

[Ruslan67]

Quote: Karlsonn

Not that the current tribe ...

You cannot call the present tribe ... so-so seed

[Karlsonn]

Quote: Ruslan67

You cannot call the present tribe ... so-so seed

Not so bad. Personally, I have two younger brothers and a sister - a generation of iPhones, but by the way, they traveled from India to London - ours! Soviet.

[Vasyan1971]

Wolfhounds. Honor and glory !

[Bigriver]

Quote: qwert1707

Yes, there is no one this Ukrainian labor force is cheap in the EU and unnecessary for nothing ...
There "their" Poles, Balts, Bulgarians, Romanians, etc. nowhere to go
Unnecessary Europe, Ukrainian consumer goods and vysery ...

There is never a lot of cheap labor. Here, in Khabarovsk, some "comrades" are thinking about exporting Ukrainian labor here, to the Far East.
Consumer goods in Europe are not interesting. The products of your oligarchy are interesting - chemistry and metallurgy.
I.e., primary processing.

[VARCHUN]

Our products are no different from yours, if you think that everyone is directly waiting for the transition to the EU, it’s also not true, and whoever went over the hill will go.

[soldier's grandson]

I was at your place in Donetsk, the attitude of the locals pleased, greatly regretted that we were not together, but after the gorilka in Volnovakha, they almost became relatives near the highway on the market

[bagpipe]

During the discussion, it became "good form" to kick and spit at Ukraine and everything Ukrainian, hence the amount of mocking material towards the brotherly people. Only I do not notice sensible comments, and few forum users - readers who are active in other branches express themselves here - so, most of all, a trifle ...
This scribble is a light fiction, expressing the author's personal attitude to the events of those years, and it is told in a “light genre”, on emotions. It is unreasonable for such a solid resource to publish such dregs in such an expression.
Such a policy will not lead to good ...
and all the bazaars are reduced to the "Great Victory", a theme that ALL the peoples of the world have already forgotten, forgiven and reconciled ... what to be proud of? the one who knows how it was, the best would forget ...
I recommend watching the film - War of the Worlds Z - it shows well how this victory "happened" - at the moment of the attack of the Jerusalem wall. Only the civilized world will put up a second wall from such "winners" - commentators - in one form or another.
Minute)))

[I am a Russian]

Quote: volynyaka

material towards the fraternal people.

ABOUT! Another has returned memory.

[bagpipe]

it would be interesting to hear a more detailed koment

[to tutu]

This reputable site has excellent articles on weapons and equipment, but when it comes to politics or history, such opuses begin here (not all of them, of course), especially everything related to Ukraine. Even the event that happened in the summer was remembered in November, so to say "not to lower the degree." Some authors deny me the right to be and speak my native language. Nationalists acted on the basis of the political realities of the time; all the dictators of the time played their game, trying to cheat each other. It took less than 2 years for Western Ukraine to experience all the delights of the Soviet power of the Stalinist flood. In 39 AD, the Soviets were greeted with flowers, and in 44 - with machine guns. Mom told me how they searched for Bandera's MGB officers in chests with clothes and food, and my father remembers how UPA fighters were shot in front of the school windows in front of the children.
For a change I give a reference http://www.istpravda.com.ua/articles/2012/01/1/67086/
All the tragedies that occurred with Ukraine in the 20th century are the tragedies of statelessness.

[Alfonso]

Good article, put it in bookmarks, copied a newspaper. Comments are interesting. Thank.

[Paradox_rf]

A few years ago, after reading the memoir of the German General Max Hoffmann, in which he described in detail how Ukraine gained independence, I thought that this was all nonsense. And again, this topic flared up in the newspaper of those times. If you are interested, look on the Internet.

[high]

,, You should not credit Bandera and his comrades in a concentration camp: they didn’t get there not for their struggle against the Hitler regime, but for the banal violation of German labor discipline. ,,

Alas, the archives of the NKVD of Ukraine are now open, which refute the tales of the OUN, composed in the same basements of the NKVD ....
It is time to explain to the people why Bandera was in prison in Berlin from 1939-1943, and his father, brothers ... the Germans shot (apparently, for the, banal violation of German labor discipline ,, !!! ???) .... .
Regarding the OUN Melnik group: a large group of Melnik’s associates, led by a well-known Ukrainian writer, were shot by Ukrainian policemen in Kiev, in Babi Yar, where about 100 Jews, residents of Kiev, had been killed before that ...
One should distinguish between Ukrainian policemen and the organization of the OUN, which fought both with Ukrainian policemen and with the Germans, and with the Soviets ......

[Lopatov]

Yes, he was sitting. In the same camp as Karbyshev. But he was released. And Karbyshev was executed.

The brothers were not shot, they were killed by prisoners. And now the Germans shot the killers.

Melnikovtsi was shot for a very simple reason. They were open opponents of Bandera.

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One should distinguish between Ukrainian policemen and the organization of the OUN, which fought both with Ukrainian policemen and with the Germans, and with the Soviets ......

And with the Poles, mostly civilians.

[bagpipe]

Quote: Spade

Yes, he was sitting. In the same camp as Karbyshev. But he was released. And Karbyshev was executed.

Dear Shovels!
Politically, Bandera and Karbyshev are two disproportionate amounts.
So, for the Germans, Bandera was one of the leaders of the Ukrainian liberation (against the Bolsheviks) right-wing movement, the person who heads the real and influential organization, moreover, is not a citizen Of the Soviet Union, which did not sign The Geneva Convention of 1929, and Dmitry Karbyshev - just one of the many military leaders of the Red Army, who was captured as a result of hostilities.
Speaking about "the same camp" and putting these people in one row, you are disingenuous - yes, indeed, Karbyshev was in Sachsenhausen, but he was BEFORE detained in different camps, including Majdanek and Auschwitz and Sachsenhausen, and he died in Mauthausen ... Bandera was transferred from the police camp to Krakow and transferred to Sachsenhausen, where he was held until the fall of 1944.
I repeat - prisoner Bandera was a political figure.
A short historical excursion -
- in April 1941. The Fuehrer introduced a position called "the commissioner for the centralized solution of the problems of the Eastern European space." This plenipotentiary - the Baltic German Alfred Rosenberg in the project for the division of the USSR proposed to divide the European part of the Union into "Reichskommissariats". Thus, western Belarus should become a German protectorate "Ostland", Ukraine - an independent state in an alliance with Germany, and the three Baltic countries, together with Belarus (the main part) - temporarily form a German protectorate before they are annexed and included in the Great German Reich ".... These layouts are described in sufficient detail and interestingly (from available sources) by the historian of the Second World War W. Shearer
- my remark is just a historical excursion

[high]

If Bandera is a friend of the Germans, why were his brothers sent to the camp? And Bandera’s father, why the Germans shot him - is it known that his mother died ..... or do you have other information about Bandera’s father?
Where did you get the information that the Bandera brothers were killed by prisoners - what happened secretly (and not secretly) and the fascist camps is covered by the unknown ...... even about finding Stalin’s son in the camp is not clear ..... then he was in the camp, then he was not ...
In general, I draw information from those discovered in 2004-2005. archives of the Ukrainian NKVD, part was published .....

[Klim podkova]

It is curious after three years to re-read the comments, especially those whose authors claim that the author is exaggerating. Well, and who was right?