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Conservation of the economy, or How to return the leaked capital and build a nanodom?

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The Ministry of Economic Development, headed by Alexei Ulyukayev, told reporters about what the economic system of development will be in the coming years - right up to 2030. As it turned out, manna from heaven and the super-gap of the economic system should not be expected, the average annual growth in the Ministry of Economic Development (MED) was determined at the level of 2,5% per year. At the end of this year, the level of economic growth may freeze at the level of 1,9-2%, which is lower than the initial forecasts (at the beginning of the current year) of the same MER at 1,7-1,8% (almost twice).


For the Russian economy for the period 2013-2030, Alexey Ulyukaev defined the name: conservative. This suggests that, according to the forecasts of the Ministry of Economic Development, there will be no fundamental changes in economic development in the coming 17 years, the more than serious dominance of the commodity sector will continue with the collapse of the so-called investment projects. In other words, officials of the Ministry of Economic Development announced that, in fact, no development should be expected - the main thing: to retain the positions taken by the Russian economy by the present day.

Well, we note that the forecast is realistic - already without any far-reaching plans, without violent optimism, without Napoleonic ideas in the economic sector. On the one hand, it is good that the Ministry of Economic Development of the Russian Federation calls things by their own names and does not allow them to dream about “celestial pretzels”, but on the other hand, to receive information that a country like Russia, in sporting terms, goes on to “keep the account” before the year 2030, somehow, to put it mildly, unhealthy ...

What are the reasons for recognition of our economy, even by representatives of the government "conservative"? There are many reasons. In the Ministry of Economic Development, among such reasons is the exhaustion of the existing model of economic growth, which is based on foreign trade conditions. In other words, even if we decide to sell abroad two times more energy than today, this will not give the economy a tangible increase. The fact is that for the double growth of exports of the same hydrocarbons, it is necessary, at a minimum, to increase domestic production capacity (and, as a maximum, to expand the sales markets), and this build-up rests on the deterioration of funds and difficulties in developing new large-scale fields. That is, in order to increase exports, you need to make substantial investments in the sector, to which not all players in the commodity market are now ready. This requires will, and when money goes today, then representatives of big business hardly think about tomorrow. Making a profit now is one thing, but investing now to make a profit tomorrow or the day after tomorrow is another.

There is one more reason that sheds light on the transition of the Russian economy to the plane of self-preservation. The reason for this voiced by representatives of the Upper House of Parliament. One of them was Senator Sergey Ryabukhin, who used to work in the Accounting Chamber. According to him, over the past 20 years, from the Russian economy through offshore companies have been withdrawn from 800 billion to 1 trillion dollars. The senator did not explain how he knew about the withdrawal of this particular amount from Russia. If he found out about this just now, then the question is: when did he manage to count and for what, shall we say, introductory data? If he knew about the withdrawal of a trillion even during the Accounts Chamber, what measures were taken to stop the outflow of capital that was immense in its volume, including in the shadow sector?

Conservation of the economy, or How to return the leaked capital and build a nanodom?


Instead of answering these questions, Sergei Ryabukhin said that parliamentary hearings were scheduled for November 9 in the Federation Council on 21, which would be devoted to the deoffshorization of the Russian economy. The senators are going to discuss how to return to Russia at the legislative level and make those funds that have been taken to offshore zones at various times to work for the Russian financial system, and how to prevent a new outflow of capital.

Sergey Ryabukhin:

We have involved several departments of the economic and security bloc of the Russian government at once. We want to not only take stock, understand what the agencies did to fulfill the presidential instructions, but also work out proposals for amending the Tax, Budgetary and Criminal Codes.

In this case, you can only say one thing: better late than never. At various times, hundreds of billions of rubles were floated to no one knows where, and the senators, thank God, only now decided to get together and discuss the problem, putting forward ideas about how to cover the offshore gate after all ...

You can make an effort and assume that jointly the branches of our government will take a legislative decision that will be aimed at blocking oxygen for those who are going to withdraw funds, as well as for the return of funds previously withdrawn from the economy, bringing to justice the guilty persons. But will new laws work effectively? Hopefully, the withdrawn trillion will suddenly appear again in the Russian financial system, and even begin to work on the growth of the country's GDP, of course, it is possible, but it is unlikely that such hope will become a reality. It was not for this purpose that these funds were withdrawn in order to return back by a sweep of the legislative magic wand. No, new laws in this sector are certainly needed, but in reality they will be able to act (if at all they can in today's conditions) as a barrier to the implementation of new operations to withdraw funds to offshore zones. To return what has already been withdrawn, the current legislators will certainly not have enough power. By the way, if law enforcement agencies had the opportunity to dig deeper, then among (politically correct) we can easily find the ladies and gentlemen who have established ways to withdraw huge amounts of money beyond the cordon among the former representatives of the legislative, executive and judicial corps. But for now, all this is in the “if yes if” mode ...

So, the Russian economy can breathe deeply, if the outflow of capital is finished. Let us hope that it will be so: both that which is “finished” and that which is “full breast”.

In the meantime, the outflow is not finished, you need to turn to other options for maneuvers to increase the rate of economic growth. President Putin spoke about them not long ago. It was about how to effectively dispose of the funds of the National Wealth Fund (NWF), in which today the sum is concentrated in almost 2,85 trillion. rubles. Putin noted that they would not spend all the money from the Fund in order to preserve a “cushion” of economic security, but the authorities are ready to allow 40 percent on infrastructure projects. The main projects for investment from the National Wealth Fund include the modernization of railways (primarily BAM and Transsib), the construction of the Central Ring Road (Central Ring Road), the modernization of the Moscow aviation hub and large-scale investments in the infrastructure of the Far East.

The implementation of such large-scale projects can indeed allow for substantial economic growth with a simultaneous decrease in unemployment and an increase in investment attractiveness. But everything will be so only if the money, frankly speaking, is not stolen, will not be allowed “for the outskirts” with subsequent multi-part corruption scandals, circulated in the RF IC and the media. That is, if the state system for controlling the spending of this huge amount (40% of the National Wealth Fund) is established, if there is also the possibility of broad public control over the implementation of projects, then it will go. If the project starts walking along the old “rakes”, then it remains only to return to the forecasts of the Ministry of Economic Development about a “conservative” economy ...

PS While the authorities are looking for ways to solve the problem of low economic growth, Rosnano proposes to build a nano-house to resettle residents from dilapidated housing ... Nanodom is a term from representatives of the said company. The first such house, as announced in the company of Anatoly Chubais, will appear in Moscow after the project is approved by the chief architect of the capital. A nanodode is literally a marvel of engineering: a 15-storey building with “heat recovery and heat recovery” systems, energy efficient glazing, ultraviolet air disinfection systems, and even (oh, Madonna!) Water mineralization machines and steel structures with thermal spraying. But the most important thing is that the “nanodom” will cost the budget about 15% (this is the most conservative estimate) more expensive than the usual house (respectively, the “nano-flat” will be more expensive than the usual Moscow 15%) ...

"Nanodom" from "Rosnano"


And we argue about some return of leaked capital ...

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  1. a52333
    a52333 8 November 2013 07: 54
    +4
    Parliamentary hearings are scheduled for November 21 in the Federation Council, which will be devoted to the deoffshorization of the Russian economy.
    It will be very curious to see, it is desirable to see the final scan with a roll-call "for" or "against".
    1. vladimirZ
      vladimirZ 8 November 2013 08: 15
      23
      So the tales of the well-being of the developing Russian economy ended. The model of development of Russia proposed by the liberals has exhausted itself; this is finally recognized by the authorities.
      And what did they think before that only on the basis of raw material exports, with the dominance of the comprador bourgeoisie, while waiting for manna from heaven in the form of investments, it is possible to enter "the paradise of prosperity" of developed countries.
      Dudki, liberals will not succeed without the development of their own fundamental planned state industry. And they will not go for it because of their mentality.
      Who will invest in a state affected by 90% corruption, find such fools.
      Without the development of state capitalism, but rather the organization of a socialist method of management, Russia cannot enter the ranks of the developed modern states.
      And the "conservative forecast" of Russia's development will only lead to its extinction and collapse; Russia will not be able to withstand the current boundaries of such development until 2030.
      1. Hon
        Hon 8 November 2013 08: 51
        +8
        And where does the planned economy? What in the presence of a planned economy do not steal anything? If, initially, Sochi pledged 12 billion (a record amount for such an event) and we get more than 40 billion at the exit, what kind of development and growth of the economy can we talk about? What you call the liberal model works great in all countries except Russia, including in communist China. Moreover, the matter is not just corruption, in China it is no less, but the corruption system.
        1. bolonenkov
          bolonenkov 8 November 2013 11: 01
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          Quote: Hon
          If, initially, Sochi pledged 12 billion (a record amount for such an event) and we get more than 40 billion at the exit, what kind of development and growth of the economy can we talk about?

          You would read about the new airport in Berlin and the British aircraft carriers, well, and also about cutting one trillion in the USA, and then you said)
          Corruption is an evil that no major country in the world has conquered, which, however, does not justify our officials.

          But if you think about it, then giving a bribe or stealing apples from a neighbor is no different from their (officials) crimes.
          Government is a mirror of society. That is, he has exactly the same vices as most people in the country.
          1. Walker1975
            Walker1975 8 November 2013 19: 05
            +7
            yes ... corruption, like crime, cannot be completely defeated ... But there is still a moment of the scale of this corruption itself. Separate scandals are one thing, and another when corruption has reached such a level that it needs to be laid as an expense in any production or service.

            In addition, it is one thing when corruption is revealed in the West and a corrupt official resigns, proceedings are instituted against him ... and another when billions openly steal, and a corrupt official goes somewhere to increase. Remember the same Serdyukov with Vasilyeva ... a little more - they will make them victims, and the state will also pay them compensation
            1. bolonenkov
              bolonenkov 9 November 2013 03: 06
              -1
              Quote: Walker1975
              Separate scandals are one thing, and another when corruption has reached such a level that it needs to be laid as an expense in any production or service.

              You can read about the cuts in the American army and the military-industrial complex, the stolen money for Iraq and the liquidation of the consequences of Catherine.
              The EU steals 150 billion Baku annually, and this is 4,5 trillion rubles, more than all pensions paid in Russia per year.

              Quote: Walker1975
              corruption is revealed in the west and a corrupt official resigns, cases are being brought against him ...

              Can you throw a couple of three names of major officials in the US or EU convicted of such cases? Who, for example, was responsible for the $ XNUMX trillion stolen in the United States after the crisis?
              In Russia in 2012 there were about 6 thousand convictions in this area.

              Quote: Walker1975
              Remember the same Serdyukov with Vasilyeva ... a little more - they will make them victims, and the state will also pay them compensation

              What are the prerequisites for this? Only the investigation has recently ended and charges have been brought against, what are you really worried about?

              Examples of the USA and the EU do not justify dishonest officials in any way, but
              1) Not a single more or less large state defeated corruption, moreover, it is many times more in the EU and the USA, and ten times higher in the USA

              2) If you think about it, giving a bribe or stealing apples from a neighbor is no different from their (officials) crimes.
              Government is a mirror of society. That is, he has exactly the same vices as most people in the country.
              Actually this is my message ...
              1. atalef
                atalef 9 November 2013 08: 59
                +4
                You can read about the cuts in the American army and the military-industrial complex, the stolen money for Iraq and the liquidation of the consequences of Catherine.
                The EU steals 150 billion Baku annually, and this is 4,5 trillion rubles, more than all pensions paid in Russia per year.

                it certainly justifies corruption in Russia
                1. bolonenkov
                  bolonenkov 9 November 2013 11: 17
                  -1
                  You read very inattentively

                  Quote: bolonenkov
                  Corruption is an evil that no major country in the world has conquered, which, however, does not justify our officials.
                  1. atalef
                    atalef 9 November 2013 11: 33
                    +2
                    Quote: bolonenkov
                    Quote: bolonenkov
                    Corruption is an evil that no major country in the world has conquered, which, however, does not justify our officials.

                    It is impossible to defeat corruption, it was and will be, but the author is a little disingenuous. we can talk about the level of corruption - and this is a completely different compote.
                    Oto as single cases of the disease and epidemic. It seems that the disease is one, but the consequences are different.
          2. timer
            timer 9 November 2013 20: 13
            +6
            I absolutely don't give a damn about who and how much is stealing abroad. I am very worried about the situation in Russia - theft has become a system, not isolated cases. But this is a consequence. The reason is the system of power that was built by liberals and crap crap starting with drunkard Yeltsin, supported by and modernized by the current "leader". This system, like a Trojan horse, allows you to pump out huge, in monetary terms, wealth from Russia, turns the people into a weak-willed herd of consumers, and serves the collapse of the country. It is possible to defeat theft, first of all you need the will to do it, which our government is not observed at all!
            1. bolonenkov
              bolonenkov 10 November 2013 16: 25
              0
              Quote: timer
              allows you to pump out from Russia huge, in monetary terms, wealth, turns the people into a consumer-like weak-willed herd, and serves the collapse of the country.

              How difficult it is to argue with emotions ....
              Dear, corruption has not been defeated by a single system, neither the American, nor the Chinese, nor the Soviet, nor the European, and you shout that the system is to blame, you do not think that it is all the fault of specific people who steal, and it does not matter what, snickers from "Crossroads" or lard from the budget, only different scales ...
              It all starts with family and upbringing, if a person believes that stealing is normal, then not a single system will save, and vice versa ...
              1. iConst
                iConst 11 November 2013 12: 35
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                Quote: bolonenkov
                Dear, no system has conquered corruption, neither American, nor Chinese, nor Soviet, nor European, and you shout that the system is to blame
                Tired of your demagoguery.

                Stop substituting concepts.
                Do not interfere with a bunch of cases of corruption with total corruption. Catch the difference?

                As for winning, Zheglov answered: "The rule of law in the state is determined not by the presence of thieves, but by the ability of the authorities to neutralize them."
                Something like this. "Skill" should be replaced with "desire". In the current situation.
        2. vladimirZ
          vladimirZ 8 November 2013 11: 22
          +8
          And where does the planned economy?


          How? It’s easy.
          After all, you plan your actions in your household management, measure your purchases with your incomes, build a house according to the project - the same plan.
          At the enterprise without the planned actions, it is simply impossible to implement the technological process that leads to the release of products. Especially in the state.
          The planned experience of economic development from the USSR was adopted by many countries, China is applying. The application of the planned economy in the capitalist countries prevented crises of the overproduction of goods that had previously shaken the world.
          So that planning is the beginning of any, including the economic process. It is a pity that you do not understand this.
          1. Hon
            Hon 8 November 2013 11: 41
            +1
            China has a mixed economy; at the moment, planned economic systems remain only in Cuba and the DPRK
            Quote: vladimirZ

            At the enterprise without the planned actions, it is simply impossible to implement the technological process that leads to the release of products. Especially in the state.

            What do you mean by a planned economy? And what do you mean by a liberal economy?
            1. vladimirZ
              vladimirZ 8 November 2013 12: 40
              +9
              Am I supposed to open a course of lectures on planned economics here?
              If you are interested, take, at least in the Internet, type and get familiar with what a "planned economy" is, about the proportionate development and planning of industries, the ratio of various sectors of the economy for a certain period of time, resources, infrastructure, training in this regard, the development of social programs, etc. etc. with the aim of reaching a certain time with certain indicators of development for the production of products, solving social issues.
              And we all see a liberal economy in Russia, everything is left to chance, "the market will decide everything by itself," the government decides only the issue of collecting taxes and cutting the collected budget, and as a result: the destruction of industry, the closure of cheaply bought up bankrupt enterprises in advance in order to eliminate competition, the transformation of Russia into a raw material appendage of the West, unemployment, the impoverishment of most of the population, chaos in migration policy, etc. etc.
              1. Walker1975
                Walker1975 8 November 2013 19: 10
                +1
                In Russia, nothing is left to chance. Try to start a business so that your cash flow goes unnoticed and you would not be asked to share it.

                And about
                Quote: vladimirZ
                on the commensurate development and planning of industries, the ratio of various industries for a certain period of time, resources, infrastructure, training in this regard, personnel, the development of social programs, etc. with the aim of reaching a certain time with certain development indicators for the production of products, solving social issues.
                then this has already passed in the USSR - a total deficit of everything and at the same time a pile of goods nobody needs ...
                1. vladimirZ
                  vladimirZ 8 November 2013 19: 32
                  0
                  ... this has already passed in the USSR - a total deficit of everything and at the same time a pile of goods nobody needs ...


                  You did not understand. I am talking about planning the fundamental public sector of the economy in a multistructured national economy. The private business sector serving the needs of the population remains independent.
                  Since, it was in the Stalinist economy, in the system of its consumer sector for the production of goods and services. A shortage of consumer goods arose under Khrushchev, when he liquidated the system of consumer unions, pouring them into the public sector of the economy.
            2. Botanologist
              Botanologist 8 November 2013 20: 19
              +2
              Quote: Hon
              What do you mean by a planned economy? And what do you mean by a liberal economy?


              Under the planned economy refers to the role of the state in planning the development of industries.
              By liberal is meant the absence of state economic planning, which gives rise to speculative and comprador processes leading to degradation of production.
              1. Selevc
                Selevc 9 November 2013 00: 14
                +2
                Quote: Botanologist
                Under the planned economy refers to the role of the state in planning the development of industries. By liberal is meant the absence of state economic planning, which gives rise to speculative and comprador processes leading to degradation of production.

                A planned economy is a very arbitrary concept ... In all developed countries, there are sectors of the economy where the state’s controlling role is vital — for example, the defense industry, energy, development of the transport network, etc. In the USSR, however, there were obvious big distortions in the planned economy — when they tried to plan everything to the smallest detail, when they tried to adjust the necessary results at the end of the next five-year period, when quality was sacrificed to quantity and speed !!!

                Of course, you need to plan a lot, but planning wisely - without extremes and without the slogans "catch up and overtake" - in some industries to give freedom to private business in others, on the contrary, to limit it - this is actually management !!!
                1. Botanologist
                  Botanologist 9 November 2013 00: 24
                  +2
                  Quote: Selevc
                  Of course, a lot needs to be planned, but it is reasonable to plan - without extremes and without slogans


                  Nobody argues with this. You need to plan wisely, but you still need to! And in our country in recent years it has been fashionable to think that "the market will take out". Didn't take out. More precisely, I took it out, but not that and in the wrong place. And how can an industry develop if there are no plans, and there is only a stock exchange? How much fertilizer to produce, for example, if there are no agricultural development programs? How many tractors and which ones? You can buy anything all over the world, but this is stupid consumption of money, but I would like to develop. And for this, our industry should work, and not trade "oil for bananas".
                  1. Walker1975
                    Walker1975 9 November 2013 00: 47
                    +4
                    But how will the market take out? At the heart of the market is small and medium-sized business, which by and large satisfies personal needs, it is the most flexible and easily changes to what people lack. For example, it rained sharply, it got colder ... we need woolen socks. A small artel will quickly die out, and now imagine how the state will do it. apparatus. While all applications, approvals will pass ... As a result, either initially they will produce more than necessary, or they will not be enough. Yes, and now, small and medium-sized businesses in Russia are spreading their bets in favor of large monopolies
                    1. vladimirZ
                      vladimirZ 9 November 2013 05: 49
                      +1
                      Yes, and now, small and medium-sized businesses in Russia are spreading their bets in favor of large monopolies


                      But this is the result of the lack of planning for the development of the ratio of the public sector, monopoly and private medium and small businesses.
                      This is the result of liberal politics and economics, when it adheres to the slogan "the market will decide everything itself," and let everything go by itself.
                      The practice of 20 years of Russian development shows that the market does not solve these problems, the liberal model of Russia's development leads to the extinction of the economy and the state itself.
                      It is necessary to change the model of economic development. It may not be too late yet.
            3. Migari
              Migari 8 November 2013 21: 42
              -7
              What do you mean by a planned economy? And what do you mean by a liberal economy?

              A planned economy is when they take bribes regularly, and a liberal one - I want to take it, I want not. Reference: Liberals (from lat. Liberalis - relating to freedom, free), in the original meaning - free-thinking, freethinkers; sometimes - people prone to excessive indulgence.
      2. Sunjar
        Sunjar 8 November 2013 08: 55
        +6
        Quote: vladimirZ
        So the tales of the well-being of the developing Russian economy ended. The model of development of Russia proposed by the liberals has exhausted itself; this is finally recognized by the authorities.


        Yeah, just against the backdrop of a critical distrust of the population in the political elite, their fairy tales in the style of the beginning of the 90's will not be rented (everyone in the car, apartment, cottage and a bunch of dough in the appendage): they can even pull out x # p from the office. So they are moving to the position that we won’t change anything, it’s more convenient for us to steal in the current position of the state.

        True, all sorts of muddy and do not bring anything state. programs still have a place to be. A recent example announced by Medvedev is the promotion of a program that should improve road safety and increase crash survival. 30 mld is allocated to everything about everything. rub. to 2020 year. Only here there is nothing concrete how they will crank it up yet. Then we will see, but for now vague doubts torment me.
        1. uhu189
          uhu189 8 November 2013 17: 55
          +1
          Well, it’s in vain with the roads. In fact, a lot of money began to be allocated for road reconstruction - from the most notable events - expansion of lanes, artificial lighting in settlements, modernization of artificial structures. All this is done, of course, the effectiveness is not very high, but there is a tendency to improve.
      3. Vadivak
        Vadivak 8 November 2013 09: 04
        +8
        Quote: ...
        This suggests that according to the forecasts of the Ministry of Economic Development, no drastic changes are expected in the next 17 years in economic development.


        I would be very surprised if it were the other way around.

        Minister of Agriculture of the Russian Federation - Nikolai Fedorov. taught in 1980-1982 and 1985-1989 disciplines "Soviet law" and "Scientific communism"

        Minister of Education and Science of the Russian Federation - Dmitry Livanov. In 2003, with a crushing score, he failed in the election of member-correspondents in the Physical Sciences Division of the Russian Academy of Sciences: two “for”, the rest “against”


        Minister of Culture of the Russian Federation - Vladimir Medinsky. - Head of the Directorate of the Central Election Headquarters of the Fatherland-All Russia Bloc, on November 25, 1999 he was awarded the class rank of State Tax Advisor of the II rank

        And although what do they decide?
        1. alone
          alone 8 November 2013 20: 54
          +2
          Quote: Vadivak
          And although what do they decide?


          your personal financial problems !!
      4. bolonenkov
        bolonenkov 8 November 2013 11: 10
        -2
        There is no limit to the joy of the all-fledged people, after 13 years of steady development, the budget has not increased for the first time, and the economy is not growing no faster than in Europe - and it’s time to throw stories about "he is the only one to blame for this!"

        To the delight of all the fans, after 13 years of confident development, a REAL increase in wages, pensions, production, a decrease in mortality, an increase in the birth rate and much more, the budget has not increased for the first time, and the economy is growing no faster than in Europe - and it’s time to send stories about "it wasn't, it was fairy tales" !!!
      5. bolonenkov
        bolonenkov 8 November 2013 11: 11
        +1
        Quote: vladimirZ
        So the tales of the well-being of the developing Russian economy ended

        To the delight of all the fans, after 13 years of confident development, a REAL increase in wages, pensions, production, a decrease in mortality, an increase in the birth rate and much more, the budget has not increased for the first time, and the economy is growing no faster than in Europe - and it’s time to send stories about "it wasn't, it was fairy tales" !!!
      6. bolonenkov
        bolonenkov 8 November 2013 11: 24
        +3
        Quote: vladimirZ
        So the tales of the well-being of the developing Russian economy ended.

        Have you made conclusions based on one year? And the real doubling of GDP over 13 years, how do you two fingers * shrink?

        Quote: vladimirZ
        And what did they think before, that only on raw materials export

        You can recalculate the GDP or the budget from 1999-2013 not in rubles or dollars, but immediately in barrels of oil, and you will see that growth is not only due to the "expensive" oil.

        Quote: vladimirZ
        with the dominance of the comprador bourgeoisie

        It’s hard to argue, I would also remove a lot of people from the government, another question is that neither you, Vladimir, nor I know the true situation, because politics is a dirty thing, they do not shoot senior officials in the US or the EU, they don’t even judge .

        Quote: vladimirZ
        fishing rods, liberals will not succeed without the development of their own fundamental planned state industry. And they will not go for it because of their mentality.

        Probably because in October alone, 9 enterprises worth more than 1 billion rubles and another dozen 300 million each were opened in Russia.
        http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/43000/

        and Sukhoi has already released 33 serial Superjet, contrary to the cries of all-companions that he will not fly, no one will buy, or that this is a stillborn plane
        http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/43066/
        Total for the project at the moment:
        They spent $ 1,8 billion on development (of which 0,45 are less than the budget of all competitors), they have already sold 1 billion, and 3,4 billion plus an option on solid contracts.
        http://expert.ru/expert/2013/40/vozdushnoe-ralli/
        Calculate the timing of the transition to work in plus yourself, just like sales taxes. It will already pay off for the state when the first 50-60 boards are handed over, there are already nearly 200 boards for solid orders, and this is for the Sukhoi (!!!) newcomer to the inter-market of passenger aircraft.

        Quote: vladimirZ
        Who will invest in a state affected by 90% corruption, find such fools.

        I do not deny corruption, but did you invent a figure of 90%, or is there a real study? Just do not pop Tranperensi, that analytics, wipe and forget
        But I found you "fools" with the comment above, as many as 9 enterprises of 1 billion each (and there are foreign investments), and this is only in October.

        Quote: vladimirZ
        And the "conservative forecast" of Russia's development will only lead to its extinction and collapse; Russia will not be able to withstand the current boundaries of such development until 2030.

        You have already decided not to limit yourself to five-year plans, but every three years since 2001 you can find analytics in the style of "Russia has five years left"
        And on business, about collapse and extinction, we will talk when there is a serious argument for such conversations. And now it is not there, because all your theses about "raw materials", "fools-investors" and "industrial decline" are broken on the facts under them.
        1. vladimirZ
          vladimirZ 8 November 2013 12: 09
          +4
          And in the case, we’ll talk about the collapse and extinction, when there will be a serious argument for such conversations.


          Interesting thing, the report of the Ministry of Economic Development headed by Aleksey Ulyukaev does not give you any reasons for talking.
          Take a look around, in your region, the city that is happening with industrial enterprises, social programs. How much is crushed, collapsed, what remains to work, what is built specifically, look and honestly answer the question of progress or regression in Russia for yourself.
          I can give an example in my city, region, but to what everywhere there is a bleak picture of ruin and desolation of the economy, units of industrial enterprises work.
          Travel by train on the railway, in a reserved seat carriage where people are constantly changing, at least half the country for 3-4 days, and you will see a picture of devastation "like after the war and bombing." An exception, for example, on the Irkutsk-Moscow route, is Tatarstan, which has a special contractual relationship with Moscow on the division of tax revenues and the management of the region's economy. All.
          And I don’t believe the links to the statistics you are citing, because you need to count not in rubles and dollars, but in kind, units, pieces of what is produced, what specific plants are built and what they produce. And in another way it’s just DEMOGOLOGY.
          1. bolonenkov
            bolonenkov 8 November 2013 12: 34
            +2
            Quote: vladimirZ
            Take a look around

            As I understand it, there’s nothing to say in the case

            Quote: vladimirZ
            Take a look around, in your region, the city that is happening with industrial enterprises, social programs.

            Quote: vladimirZ
            How much is crushed, collapsed, what remains to work, what is built specifically, look and honestly answer the question of progress or regression in Russia for yourself.

            I just gave you an example of 9 enterprises worth a billion, which were opened only in October, and there are a dozen smaller enterprises using the same link. One of them is Tobolsk polymer, which has turned the Russian Federation from an importer of polymer products (polypropylene) into an exporter. And all enterprises are opened with the participation of foreign investors, such as, for example, Siemens.

            Quote: vladimirZ
            everywhere there is a bleak picture of the devastation and desolation of the economy; units of industrial enterprises work.

            Where is it everywhere? We finally almost completely provide ourselves with food, doubled our GDP twice (and not only due to oil, see the previous comment)

            Quote: vladimirZ
            And I don’t believe the links to the statistics you are citing, because you need to count not in rubles and dollars, but in kind, units, pieces of what is produced, what specific plants are built and what they produce.

            Well, to believe or not to believe - it's up to you, the links I didn’t even give to statistics, but to real enterprises and Superjet, that is, facts. What plants were opened last month, I also explained to you, and I suggested that you calculate the economy in barrels, which are the most full-scale units, and then compare them with real production in those years.

            My message is not that everything is fine with us, it’s just that everything you listed is there, but not in such black colors. The country began to develop, for good, 10-11 years ago.
            It is very painful that there are 10 million poor people in Russia, the very poverty you are talking about, but in 2000 there were 30 million more.
            Pensions in the Russian Federation are far from the highest, but compared to 2000, they have grown in real terms by 5 times, and since 2000 we have managed to narrow the gap in the amount of pensions between us and the West from monstrous 50 times to quite decent 2-4 times, moreover, that life there is sensitively more expensive.

            About the same picture in industry and the military-industrial complex, in the 90s, Milya, Sukhoi and Kamov survived by a miracle, and Mily, almost became Sikorsky for nothing, and we would now buy Comanche and Black Hawkey, and not Ka-52, Mi-28 , Su-34,35, Superjet several dozen per year each.

            And for a long time no one except Sobchak and other "poor" knocks with helmets on the asphalt near the Kremlin.

            Everything that is happening now inspires cautious optimism, and the general economic recession is not only in the Russian Federation, only Brazil, Germany, India and China are more or less dynamically growing, and the EU is growing even slower than us, and they are our main market, hence the problems .
            1. vladimirZ
              vladimirZ 8 November 2013 13: 27
              +3
              ... We finally almost completely provide ourselves with food ....

              Have you been in a store for a long time, what% is there Russian? Such arguments are not necessary.

              ... Superjet ...


              We have already written about the Superjet, Russia does not need it not for operation on Russian airlines due to its performance characteristics, not for the aircraft industry, which Superjet is turning into a screwdriver assembly.
              And in short, everyone sees what he wants, by virtue of his worldly experience, educational level and professed political ideology.
              With greetings, I am ending the discussion with you.
              1. bolonenkov
                bolonenkov 8 November 2013 13: 55
                +3
                Quote: vladimirZ
                Have you been in a store for a long time, what% is there Russian? Such arguments are not necessary.

                And what, since you are asking that, you probably know the exact percentage? In my food basket, everything with the coat of arms "Made in Bashkiria", and as for all sorts of nasty things like snickers, they are also made in the Russian Federation, moreover, all pasta is also from there, so if you remove all imports for the experiment, then the food basket of the average Russians will not change much, and the domestic manufacturer will only win.

                Quote: vladimirZ
                We have already written about the Superjet, Russia does not need it not for operation on Russian airlines due to its performance characteristics, not for the aircraft industry, which Superjet is turning into a screwdriver assembly.

                About the SGS wrote that
                1) the project is shit, lags behind in technology
                2) he will not take off
                3) no one will buy it
                4) he is 90% western
                5) will not produce more than 20 pieces
                And after that, you especially trust what they write about by order of Antonov or someone else.
                And here you have only one of the engines and several pieces of the fuselage to study the Boeing, as you can see it from him
          2. Gomunkul
            Gomunkul 8 November 2013 15: 47
            +1
            The exception, for example, on the Irkutsk-Moscow route, is Tatarstan,
            Do you see the Nizhny Novgorod region at night when you sleep? Read the story about her. hi
          3. Bigriver
            Bigriver 8 November 2013 18: 18
            0
            Quote: vladimirZ
            ... this is just DEMOGOLOGY.

            Demagogy is an extrapolation of your personal view from the train window to ALL surrounding reality.
            In the Far East, only in 2011, the growth in industrial production amounted to 157%.
            Yes, there were many large-scale facilities; they were completed in 2012. Nevertheless, the growth is still higher than in the whole country - about 112%.
            But, I'm more interested in Ulyukaev and the Ministry of Economic Development and Trade. How great they work !!! What a professionalism and understanding of global processes!
            Why there is no growth - Duc ..., there is no demand recourse Objective, you know, conditions .... Nothing to do about it crying
            I presented this alignment in the Chinese government laughing
            Maybe it’s enough to probe the topic of import substitution? And is it time to use this reserve?
            1. vladimirZ
              vladimirZ 8 November 2013 19: 57
              +2
              In the Far East, only in 2011, the growth in industrial production amounted to 157%.
              Yes, there were many large-scale facilities; they were completed in 2012. Nevertheless, the growth is still higher than in the whole country - about 112%.


              No interest, especially not such a thing as growth. In percentage, you can increase any small change to a significant one. By the way, fraudsters were engaged in this in Soviet times, and even now brains are powdering people.
              An elementary example. Last year, 1 aircraft was made at the aircraft factory, and this year they rolled out 2. The output is doubled, an increase of 200%? And what to shout about it? When this plant gave out and can give out hundreds of them.
              It is necessary to operate with specific natural indicators in order to see the objective picture, and not the adjusted information for ... hanging noodles for the townsfolk.
              1. bolonenkov
                bolonenkov 9 November 2013 03: 21
                0
                Quote: vladimirZ
                It is necessary to operate with specific natural indicators in order to see the objective picture, and not the adjusted information for ... hanging noodles for the townsfolk.

                a) In the Russian Federation in 2013 for the period January-October, more aircraft were released than ever after 93 ...

                b) In the USSR they bought pipes from Europe, now we do it ourselves, and so in many industries

                c) In October alone, 9 enterprises were opened in Russia worth more than 1 billion rubles and another dozen 300 million each.
                http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/43000/

                Everything that you, Vladimir, listed above has a place to be, but not in such gloomy colors that the super-economist Khazin very much likes to use, who has been caught a hundred times on incompetence
                1. iConst
                  iConst 9 November 2013 22: 57
                  +2
                  Quote: bolonenkov
                  a) In the Russian Federation in 2013 for the period January-October, more aircraft were released than ever after 93 ...

                  b) In the USSR they bought pipes from Europe, now we do it ourselves, and so in many industries

                  c) In October alone, 9 enterprises were opened in Russia worth more than 1 billion rubles and another dozen 300 million each.
                  http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/43000/

                  a) Well, of course. After 93 years ... If a chicken carried one egg, and now has laid two - an awesome breakthrough! GDP increased by 100%!

                  b) Firstly - do not dissemble, bought pipes of large diameter.
                  And secondly: now there is something to be proud of. Finally, we learned how to produce pipes (21 centuries goes with might and main).

                  c) We read the list, industries: oil refining, polypropylene production (supertechnology!), electric cables (to find out where the raw materials are from), medicinal products - insulin (a separate topic).
                  And most of it is foreign capital.

                  That is, rather "primitive" types of products.

                  PS: I’d like to hang out a site where to list how many enterprises were closed, because all the assets were completed and washed off abroad.
                  1. bolonenkov
                    bolonenkov 10 November 2013 16: 34
                    0
                    Quote: iConst
                    a) Well, of course. After 93 years ... If a chicken carried one egg, and now has laid two - an awesome breakthrough! GDP increased by 100%!

                    GDP does not only consist of eggs, doubling occurred between 2001-2013

                    Quote: iConst
                    b) Firstly - do not dissemble, bought pipes of large diameter.
                    And secondly: now there is something to be proud of. Finally, we learned how to produce pipes (21 centuries goes with might and main).

                    A bee is looking for honey, and a fly stool

                    Quote: iConst
                    c) We read the list, industries: oil refining, polypropylene production (supertechnology!), electric cables (to find out where the raw materials are from), medicinal products - insulin (a separate topic).
                    And most of it is foreign capital.

                    Of course, it’s better to buy all this abroad, and complain about expensive domestic goods

                    Quote: iConst
                    And most of it is foreign capital.

                    Teach materiel

                    Quote: iConst
                    Still to hang out a site where to list how many enterprises were closed, because all the assets were completed and washed off abroad.

                    You can lay out an interesting list.
                    1. iConst
                      iConst 11 November 2013 12: 06
                      0
                      Quote: bolonenkov
                      GDP does not only consist of eggs, doubling occurred between 2001-2013

                      A bee is looking for honey, and a fly stool

                      Of course, it's better to buy it all.
                      abroad, and complain about expensive domestic goods

                      Teach materiel

                      You can lay out an interesting list.
                      All? But essentially?


                      Urya-patriots shout: "We have fsё offensive - but I see that food is eating up more and more percent of the family budget.

                      People like you are telling me - the economy is growing by leaps and bounds - and I see that my innovation projects fall off like flies in the fall, because enterprises either die or are barely breathing.

                      To me, the "leaders" are gundos talking about great accomplishments, and in stores everything is Chinese: from computers to nails.

                      Well, damn it, arguments? Wed..ny "Basin" for the ears by hook or by crook (with state resources) pull - and where are the cars?
        2. Botanologist
          Botanologist 8 November 2013 20: 26
          -1
          Quote: bolonenkov
          We spent $ X billion on developing 1,8 (of which budget 0,45 is the least of all competitors), we have already sold 1 billion,


          Where did you get these numbers? Yesterday we discussed on the branch super-bobik, at catalog prices of 37 million, it is sold for 25-27 million. WHAT A BILLION? The JSS is already declared bankrupt if you are not in the know.

          Quote: bolonenkov
          For the state, it will already pay off when the first 50-60 boards are handed over, solid orders already for almost 200 boards


          For the state, it will pay off after the sale of 360 boards, and even then at catalog prices. Or do you think production is worthless?
          Yes, and orders solid on 160 boards, and not on 200. So what about bobik easier with a bang-bang. The project is not very successful.
          1. bolonenkov
            bolonenkov 9 November 2013 03: 24
            0
            Quote: Botanologist
            Where did you get these numbers? Yesterday we discussed on the branch super-bobik, at catalog prices of 37 million, it is sold for 25-27 million. WHAT A BILLION? The JSS is already declared bankrupt if you are not in the know.

            Links to information., Unlike you, are provided, but what you discussed there with reality may have nothing to do.
            I'm waiting for links about the bankruptcy of the CCJ.


            Quote: Botanologist
            For the state, it will pay off after the sale of 360 boards, and even then at catalog prices. Or do you think production is worthless?

            The state invested $ 0,45 billion, less than the state of competitors from Embraer and Airbus
            1. iConst
              iConst 9 November 2013 22: 28
              +1
              Quote: bolonenkov
              I'm waiting for links about bankruptcy
              Google: bankruptcy dry superjet
              Not bankrupt yet - but the situation is bad.
              1. bolonenkov
                bolonenkov 10 November 2013 16: 35
                0
                Quote: iConst
                Google: bankruptcy dry superjet
                Not bankrupt yet - but the situation is bad.

                That is, you do not have a link
                1. iConst
                  iConst 11 November 2013 11: 42
                  0
                  Quote: bolonenkov
                  That is, you do not have a link
                  Are you fooling around? A second time:
                  On Google: "dry superjet bankruptcy" - one hundred links. Few?
      7. Andrey57
        Andrey57 8 November 2013 13: 45
        +6
        Yes, all these "songs" of Mr. Ulyukaev are noodles, there has been no growth of the Russian economy since September last year, there is only the last attempts to pull by the ears the very statistics, which are not even a big lie, but just statistics, I wrote about this many times and Mikhail Khazin spoke in his speeches. And what VVP sings about "structural projects and investments in infrastructure" is also noodle from the same pot, only performed by the "guarantor". And the same mythical fund, to which the GDP refers, almost entirely consists of candy wrappers called "US Treasury bonds" and other waste paper. The GDP seems to have decided to try to maintain the status quo to the last, until the entire economy collapses completely, which is being pushed hard, which is only the statement of government officials that by 2017 electricity for consumers will cost the same as in Europe.
        For example: the cost of electricity from the Zhigulevskaya hydroelectric station in the Samara region, despite sky-high salaries and huge amounts of bonus managers and unnecessary costs, is currently only 34 kopecks / kWh fellow
        1. bolonenkov
          bolonenkov 8 November 2013 16: 15
          +1
          Quote: Andrey57
          Mikhail Khazin repeatedly wrote and spoke about this in his speeches.

          Khazin since 2002 every time promises a dallar of 50 rubles and at the same time the collapse of the US economy ...


          Quote: Andrey57
          almost entirely consists of candy wrappers called "US Treasury bonds" and other waste paper

          In the previous article about all-scribblers there was an interesting paragraph.
          "It is especially delightful to read both American and Chinese patriotards: the American are convinced that the Chinese are buying America through bonds and holding Washington by the balls, the Chinese are confident that the corrupt CCP is paying tribute to the Americans. And reality is (as always) more complicated than the ideas of ... goliks of any nationality. . "
      8. vezunchik
        vezunchik 8 November 2013 17: 08
        +2
        In the West, after such a failure, the leadership resigns. We are looking for the guilty ....
        1. bolonenkov
          bolonenkov 9 November 2013 03: 26
          0
          Are there examples of resignation in countries where the economy is comparable to the Russian Federation?
          1. atalef
            atalef 9 November 2013 09: 13
            +1
            Quote: bolonenkov
            Are there examples of resignation in countries where the economy is comparable to the Russian Federation?

            and where does this, te, excuse like in Brazil, after all, no one resigned, just makes everyone soft and fluffy
            1. bolonenkov
              bolonenkov 9 November 2013 11: 20
              0
              No, it was just an answer to
              Quote: vezunchik
              In the West, after such a failure, the leadership resigns. We are looking for the guilty ...
      9. optimist
        optimist 8 November 2013 18: 42
        +3
        Quote: vladimirZ
        So the tales of the well-being of the developing Russian economy ended.

        This, as they say, by itself ... If we say about this article in the language of modern youth: "too many bukAF". If you translate it briefly into normal Russian, you get the following. For the past 25 years, our country has been eating, wed ... eating, drinking, walking, selling, betraying, etc. (The question about who SPECIFICALLY did it is not worth it now). (Unexpectedly !!!) it turned out that it couldn't go on like this: the loot was over !!! Now the whole question is whether you need to stop STEALING AND BETRAYING, or cover up the "lafa" plebs with consumer loans, weekly tours to Turkey, and in the long term, and just the opportunity to eat your fill. My intuition persistently tells me that the first option will not happen: the second remains. The following question arises: how long will the plebs allow themselves to be robbed by the "elite"? According to my "intelligence information", the "top" are planning to repeat something like a "trick" of August 1998 immediately after the "lipiyada". And if the authorities 15 years ago managed to keep everything under relative control, then it is not a fact that they will succeed again. Let's add here the situation with migrants from Asia and our blackberry "fellow citizens" ....
      10. Walker1975
        Walker1975 8 November 2013 19: 01
        +1
        I agree with you in general terms. But only where do you see liberals? Putin? Medvedev? Maybe Yeltsin was? Mostly former nomenclature and KGB officers. Or do you think that these posts were previously held by liberals? Is the liberal scheme based on strangulation of small and medium-sized businesses at the expense of large? Again ... Management goes through a rigid vertical, when the state can fit into any crack. What does liberalism have to do with it?
      11. Botanologist
        Botanologist 8 November 2013 20: 16
        +2
        Quote: vladimirZ
        And the "conservative forecast" of Russia's development will only lead it to extinction and collapse,


        I hope only that the forecasters from these liberals are as crap as the economists. In general, these are people who are incapable of anything, and constant crises are provoked exclusively by typos in liberal textbooks. For the greater these hoopoes feathered simply are not capable.
      12. Polovec
        Polovec 8 November 2013 23: 01
        +1
        Socialism in Russia has fully justified itself. And what the "reformers" have done, starting with Gorbachev, cannot be called anything other than sabotage. Moreover, no one is hiding who paid for this sabotage.
        As for the return of money to the country and stimulation of investment projects, the government must show that it is capable and willing to deal with corruption. First, put Serdyukov with all his gang ...
      13. atalef
        atalef 9 November 2013 09: 09
        +4
        vladimirZ Yesterday, 08: 15 ↑
        So the tales of the well-being of the developing Russian economy ended. The model of development of Russia proposed by the liberals has exhausted itself; this is finally recognized by the authorities.

        in general, for this there is a more correct word --- stagnation, they are simply afraid to pronounce it, for a developing country (and Russia belongs to the developing countries in terms of economy) to have a GDP rate of 2% - this is an open stagnation that does not even cover part of inflationary expectations
        1. bolonenkov
          bolonenkov 10 November 2013 16: 37
          0
          Quote: atalef
          (and Russia belongs to the developing countries in terms of economy) having a GDP rate of 2% is an outright stagnation that does not even cover part of inflation expectations

          Growth rates are only higher in Germany, Brazil, India and China, the Russian Federation is recovering after the crisis faster than the EU
      14. AVV
        AVV 9 November 2013 14: 07
        +3
        If they steal in Skolkovo, in Sochi, in the Far East at the reconstructions of the Bolshoi, Mariinsky theaters, in Rusnano and everywhere, it would be time to suspend the moratorium on the death penalty for stealing budget money in especially large amounts and then something could change ??? And officials will not feel so confident!
        1. Polovec
          Polovec 9 November 2013 15: 09
          +3
          Yes, you can cancel a hundred moratoriums! They will shoot for a bag of potatoes, but the current "heroes", no matter how they touch, will not be touched! Until the law begins to act equally for everyone without exception, its severity does not play any role.
          1. bolonenkov
            bolonenkov 10 November 2013 16: 40
            0
            Quote: Polovec
            Yes, you can cancel a hundred moratoriums! They will shoot for a bag of potatoes, but the current "heroes", no matter how they touch, will not be touched! Until the law begins to act equally for everyone without exception, its severity does not play any role.

            No one was shot for a bag

            Give at least one country with an economy comparable to the Russian Federation in size, where there is no corruption problem, or that it is at least smaller than ours?

            Will not work,
            Quote: Polovec
            Until the law takes effect equally for all, without exception

            The law does not work this way anywhere, but I agree that in the Russian Federation this is a chronic problem since the beginning of the 80s
        2. bolonenkov
          bolonenkov 10 November 2013 16: 38
          0
          Quote: AVV
          if we could suspend the moratorium on the death penalty for stealing budget money on an especially large scale, and then maybe something will change ??? And the officials will not feel so confident!

          Look at corruption in China, the death penalty does not work
      15. timer
        timer 9 November 2013 20: 00
        +1
        Firstly, I agree with the author of the commentary on the one-economic model of the economy redesigned by the liberals is vicious and deadlock.
        The fact that the raw material model of the economy is preserved by the current government until 2030 is a betrayal of its interests and "economic impotence".
        Secondly, I am categorically against the socialist methods of managing, they also stole in the USSR (remember the cotton business, huge posts and heaps)!
        Thirdly, I propose an effective economic model-socialist capitalism with a state plan recommending the vector of development of the country's economy. This is a brief summary. I have developed my own program. Who is interested in my point of view, I propose to start correspondence. My mailbox ([email protected])
  2. aszzz888
    aszzz888 8 November 2013 08: 04
    +3
    This suggests that according to the forecasts of the Ministry of Economic Development, no drastic changes can be expected in the next 17 years in economic development, more than a serious dominance of the raw materials sector will continue with the curtailment of the so-called investment projects.


    Most likely, some national projects will be reduced or completely removed. An example of this is the refusal to build a railway. Moscow-Kazan roads. This was announced at a meeting of GDP.
  3. makarov
    makarov 8 November 2013 08: 04
    +7
    For all the listed vehicles. "calculations", Chubais's red ears are clearly sticking out.
    After all, even Peter 1 in his decree clearly wrote "Red-haired, crooked and oblique, - you can't believe in FAITH."
    And there’s nothing to add.
  4. patriot2
    patriot2 8 November 2013 08: 19
    11
    Something DAM does not steer the economy at all, pull it from the iPhone by the ears! It is time for the Communist Party to issue a vote of no confidence in the government — votes have been gathered and considerable, otherwise you look and we’ll live in 5 years like in northern Honduras ... laughing
    Yes, and the bowels of Russia with mining companies, it is time to RETURN PEOPLE (according to the Constitution of the Russian Federation), then less money can be lost for the hill! am
    1. ramzes1776
      ramzes1776 8 November 2013 10: 45
      +9
      What kind of government, such is the economy. Money is poured into all sorts of dubious "enterprises": Rusnano, Skolkovo. A lot of money for the Olympics and the World Cup, and at the exit there is no money for the development of production. But our deputies in developed capitalism (or communism) live happily ever after, receiving 250 tr. pocket money without doing anything for the development of the country.
      1. Fin
        Fin 8 November 2013 11: 41
        -3
        Quote: ramzes1776
        A bunch of dough for the Olympics and the World Cup

        Why are you all clinging to this? Share what went into sports. buildings and the city, then there will be a real amount for the Olympics. Residents of Sochi and another 8 cities where the World Cup will be held are only happy to modern. infrastructure and landscaping. But to visit them the same time in my life happens. There is enough money in the country, there is no order in it.
        1. Polovec
          Polovec 9 November 2013 15: 12
          +1
          In my opinion you are wrong. Speaking more frankly, a warning from the moderator prevents me ... angry
  5. os9165
    os9165 8 November 2013 08: 29
    +5
    Conservation of the economy, or How to return the leaked capital and build a nanodom?
    An interesting question is how to make sure that firms become not offshore but Russian, how not to give at 0.6% per annum, and in the same place to take at 6%, how not to create "defense services". The system works only for loot in your pocket. For example, the administration of the President of the Russian Federation will be able to work against the system if the system has increased their salaries by 46,5%. By the way, I have not forgotten the servants of the people either. ANSWER - YES NOW. "If the mare is dead, get off her."
  6. Stiletto
    Stiletto 8 November 2013 08: 48
    +9
    Our government is definitely disingenuous. If the national economy is unwell, there should be no salaries in 250 TR the deputies, and the government itself would not hurt to moderate their appetites.
    1. a52333
      a52333 8 November 2013 09: 01
      +1
      The Ministry of Economic Development, headed by Alexei Ulyukaev, told reporters about what the economic development system will be in the coming years - right up to the 2030.
      No, well, Baba Vanga, you can't take it. It is absolutely not clear what tomorrow will be. For example, tomorrow is the banana revolution in Arabia? And where in the toilet basket to look for the forecast? And what "visa" will it have? I'm thin with these analysts.
  7. Grbear
    Grbear 8 November 2013 08: 50
    +7
    The liberal tale of the effectiveness of His Majesty the Market is over.
    representatives of big business are unlikely to think. Making a profit now is one thing, but investing now to make a profit tomorrow, or even the day after tomorrow, is another.


    Therefore, you must write your own tale.
    Offer an alternative to big business:
    • You invest money where the state needs (technological production of means of production, transport, science), we do not touch you.
    • You do not invest, evade, take away, etc., we carry out deprivatization at prices at the time of privatization with coefficient. Sberbank for investors.

    "People" must have a choice. Stop smoking break, get up on your hands.
    1. Hon
      Hon 8 November 2013 08: 56
      -2
      Quote: GrBear
      The liberal tale of the effectiveness of His Majesty the Market is over.

      Tell the Chinese about it.
      Quote: GrBear
      • You invest money where the state needs (technological production of means of production, transport, science), we do not touch you.
      • You do not invest, evade, take away, etc., we carry out deprivatization at prices at the time of privatization with coefficient. Sberbank for investors.

      Only assets have long been withdrawn abroad, as are the owners of the assets themselves. Take what remains of the industry? But this is the property of foreign legal entities. Nationalization is possible, but the consequences can be compared with the shock therapy of Gaidar and Chubais.
    2. Ascetic
      Ascetic 8 November 2013 10: 37
      +2
      Quote: GrBear
      Offer an alternative to big business:
      • You invest money where the state needs (technological production of means of production, transport, science), we do not touch you.


      Ascetic RU Today, 10:20 | Dedicated to the All-Finger
      1. In early October, Putin announced that the NWF would continue financing large-scale infrastructure projects.
      Putin: NWF should become a "safety cushion" for the Russian economy

      2. The IMF opposed.
      The IMF recommends that the Russian authorities do not allocate funds from the National Wealth Fund for infrastructure projects, since this does not correspond to the spirit of the budget rule.

      The IMF called the conditions for the growth of the Russian economy to 5% per year

      3 Putin confirmed the decision to use 40% of SWF for the implementation of infrastructure megaprojects.
      Shuvalov: Putin confirmed the decision to use the NWF at 40%

      As of November 1, 2,845 trillion rubles had accumulated in the NWF. At the moment, 670 billion rubles have been allocated from the NWF in VEB. A decision has already been made to send another 300 billion rubles to finance the Baikal-Amur Mainline, the Trans-Siberian Railway and the Central Ring Road. Thus, today about one third (34%) of all NWF funds are already allocated for investments. About 150 billion remain free.
      Among the most likely applicants for the fund’s remaining funds, the meeting participants call the Moscow air hub. Financing of the Moscow-Kazan high-speed railway line was called into question, but the topic has not yet been closed, officials hint. It was decided to finance all infrastructure projects through the RDIF. At the meeting, the president noted that the RDIF had already attracted $ 9 billion in foreign investment. “This can be a decent help for investing in the National Welfare Fund,” Putin said and urged not to forget about strengthening the potential of Siberia and the Far East.
      Putin has not allowed to spend more than 40% of SWF

      1. nov_tech.vrn
        nov_tech.vrn 8 November 2013 12: 01
        +4
        remember the IMF recommendations, we have already followed who remembers when there was not a weak growth of 2-3 percent, but a stable economic decline of 10-15 percent a year, to the stormy applause of the IMF.
      2. atalef
        atalef 9 November 2013 09: 18
        +1
        3 Putin confirmed the decision to use 40% of SWF for the implementation of infrastructure megaprojects.
        Shuvalov: Putin confirmed the decision to use the NWF at 40%

        Sorry, but based on previous experience, I can assume that after 5 years the remaining 60% of the NWF has been used, then Medvedev will return to the presidency, he will be thrown off and the white horse will return the GDP to correct DAM errors
  8. Internal combustion engine
    Internal combustion engine 8 November 2013 10: 00
    +8
    While the current president is in power, waiting for a breakthrough from the economy and the country as a whole is an empty matter. This guy works for the oligarchs and he himself does not lag behind them. It's time, as they say, to call a spade a spade.
    1. bolonenkov
      bolonenkov 8 November 2013 11: 04
      -5
      Quote: ICE
      While the current president is in power, waiting for a breakthrough from the economy and the country as a whole is an empty matter. This guy works for the oligarchs and he himself does not lag behind them. It's time, as they say, to call a spade a spade.


      Let's make a revolution !!!! And we will be like 1917, or like 1995m !!!!! Nourishing, calm, and most importantly, DEVELOPMENT awaits us !!!!!

      Dear ICE, no one has canceled critical thinking)))
      There is no limit to the joy of the all-fledged people, after 13 years of steady development, the budget has not increased for the first time, and the economy is not growing no faster than in Europe - and it’s time to throw stories about "he is the only one to blame for this!"
  9. Farvil
    Farvil 8 November 2013 10: 21
    +5
    At the top of this pyramid are Putin and Medvedev with their gangs.
  10. IRBIS
    IRBIS 8 November 2013 10: 22
    +4
    And it seems to me that here, too, everything depends on the political will of the leadership. If they want, they will. And the money will remain in the country (oblige to carry out all banking operations where the enterprise is actually located, and not where it is registered), and return the money back to the homeland (creating "appropriate" living conditions for their owners). There will be a moment when the economy "sags", but there is a reserve fund to compensate for the consequences. But who will take responsibility and courage for such a thing?
    1. Russ69
      Russ69 9 November 2013 03: 46
      +2
      Quote: IRBIS
      And it seems to me that here, too, everything depends on the political will of the leadership. If they want, they will. And the money will remain in the country (oblige to carry out all banking operations where the enterprise is actually located, and not where it is registered), and return the money back to the homeland (creating "appropriate" living conditions for their owners).

      Back in the summer, the GDP said that all enterprises and firms working with natural resources should not be in offshore, but on actual arrival .. I don’t remember how long it was given to complete the order, like about a year.
  11. Postman
    Postman 8 November 2013 10: 58
    +1
    Quote: IRBIS
    But it seems to me that here everything depends on the political will of the leadership. Want - do

    The cook is not able to manage the state. And even a colonel.
    The point is in the system that Putin built. The factories are doing badly. There is a crisis in Russia. Industrial production stopped and even a recession began, GDP growth slowed sharply, budget revenues are reduced, wage arrears and unemployment are growing. Putin attributes the crisis to the corrupting influence of the West, but what does the West have to do with it? There the economy is booming. Oil prices are also stably high and it is obvious that the roots of the problems within Russia.
    What are the causes of the crisis of the most resource-rich country in the world, which is always led by a wise leader? It would seem that such a combination guarantees prosperity!
    The causes of the Russian crisis are really local: high taxes, expensive resources and loans, plus total corruption and devastating megaprojects - all this against the backdrop of an increase in the military spending of the Russian budget unprecedented in peacetime. Despite the fact that more is spent on the Ministry of Internal Affairs than on the army. In other words, there is a crisis of Putin’s police-oligarchic regime. What he himself could have seen recently by visiting Rostov-on-Don and visiting the famous Rostselmash agricultural engineering plant.
    There he showed patriotism and concern for the domestic manufacturer and asked him to prepare a note explaining why tractors were not transferred from Canada to Russia. We are talking about Versatile and its Winnipeg factory. In 2007, Rostov Rostselmash acquired 80% of its shares. It turns out that the Canadian plant will never move to Russia, because it is unprofitable!
    Only one touch. At Rostselmash 150 armed guards! There are only four at a factory in Canada.
    1. Botanologist
      Botanologist 8 November 2013 20: 34
      +1
      Quote: Postman
      Putin attributes the crisis to the corrupting influence of the West, but what does the West have to do with it? There the economy is booming.


      Why are you smoking today with the Western economy "on the rise"?

      Quote: Postman
      and all this against the background of an unprecedented for peacetime increase in military spending of the Russian budget.


      When time becomes military, it will be too late to increase costs.
      And explain what you saw so unprecedented in 4%?
  12. ole
    ole 8 November 2013 11: 16
    +1
    You hate your neighbor’s collapse for a long time, cut off your hands. And so in the economy, if the crisis gives, there will be no food and shirportreb for cheap oil, and everyone will think about native agriculture and Ivanovo knitwear.
  13. Fin
    Fin 8 November 2013 11: 32
    +3
    The Ministry of Economic Development, headed by Alexei Ulyukaev, told reporters about what the economic development system will be in the coming years - right up to the 2030.

    In coming ... and! There is no concrete development program for the next 3-5 years, and they are driving us head and shoulders for 17 years ahead. Nobody steers the economy, everyone just pretends, waiting for it to begin to grow. And MDA is generally a misunderstanding, will go down in history as a fighter against time and ppm. You need to start with the state. housing construction. People themselves will not come out of the slums. For each region, 2-3-5-10 billion with the task of building a certain number of apartments, under tight control. This will pull an increase in the production of metal, machinery, materials, electrics, etc., etc., jobs. Is it really hard to guess !!! Most likely they do not want to ruin housing prices, stsuki. And such effective measures are the sea. Loot from offshore companies - definitely go home, start with state-owned companies. Has Cyprus really taught?
    They do not want to work; liberalists need to be changed.
  14. Adel
    Adel 8 November 2013 11: 57
    -2
    if the Minister of Economic Development has such an idea about the future, let everyone be at home
  15. Postman
    Postman 8 November 2013 12: 17
    +4
    Quote: bolonenkov
    There is no limit to the joy of the all-fledged people, after 13 years of steady development, the budget has not increased for the first time, and the economy is not growing no faster than in Europe - and it’s time to throw stories about "he is the only one to blame for this!"

    Well what are you. The State Department is to blame! Hands off the national epic hero Putin. We will not surrender it to adversaries. We will tolerate another 30 years, you look and catch up with Portugal.
    1. Botanologist
      Botanologist 8 November 2013 20: 35
      -2
      Quote: Postman
      We will tolerate 30 for another years, and you will catch up with Portugal.


      for Portugal you minus. If you are discussing - study the topic for a start. To throw poop here and without you there are many who wish.
  16. rennim
    rennim 8 November 2013 12: 43
    +2
    For the Russian economy for the period 2013-2030, Alexey Ulyukaev defined the name: conservative. This suggests that, according to the forecasts of the Ministry of Economic Development, there will be no fundamental changes in economic development in the coming 17 years, the more than serious dominance of the commodity sector will continue with the collapse of the so-called investment projects. In other words, officials of the Ministry of Economic Development announced that, in fact, no development should be expected - the main thing: to retain the positions taken by the Russian economy by the present day.


    The government itself recognizes its powerlessness ... Who among us spoke from members of the forum about the fact that Russia under the current government is rising from its feet ??? Especially before the presidential election. And it turns out that it does not rise, but does not collapse, it would be completely. Moreover, the author says that this is quite realistic. And I agree with him. We trample citizens on the spot. It is a pity that life passes ...
  17. Postman
    Postman 8 November 2013 13: 46
    +2
    Quote: Fin
    Why are you all clinging to this? Share what went into sports. buildings and the city, then there will be a real amount for the Olympics. Residents of Sochi and another 8 cities where the World Cup will be held are only happy to modern. infrastructure and landscaping. But to visit them the same time in my life happens.


    Of course, you can go to Sochi and at least once in your life watch the Olympic competitions with your own eyes, and not through the camera of a TV operator. But as soon as you figure the price of such a trip, it turns out that this pleasure will not be much cheaper than flying to London for the Summer Olympic Games.

    The same applies to the use of the Sochi infrastructure for winter recreation after the Games, which our Olympic builders do not cease to remind of now. Judging by their estimates, which are swelling before our eyes, they will "beat off" the money with Olympic fervor - and in this case we will have the same city skating rink, the same ski track in a nearby park, or the same budgetary Slovakia.
    1. Fin
      Fin 8 November 2013 15: 04
      -1
      Quote: Postman
      But as soon as you figure the price of such a trip, it turns out that this pleasure will not be much cheaper than flying to London for the Summer Olympic Games.

      I agree. Pleasure is not cheap. But at the World Cup somehow get out.
      Quote: Postman
      Judging by their estimates, which are swelling before our eyes, they will "beat off" the money with Olympic passion

      And this is another matter, theft and corruption are mired. Or at the other construction sites they beat off nothing? Let's ban everything because they steal it.
  18. Salavatsky Ministry of Emergency Situations
    +1
    As already zadolbal with your projects this redhead nanodouren ...
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    1. alone
      alone 8 November 2013 21: 06
      +3
      just the same in the theft of state money, this redhead is just not a ram, but a rather successful fraudster.
  20. Ross
    Ross 8 November 2013 15: 17
    0
    Quote: vladimirZ
    So the tales of the well-being of the developing Russian economy ended. The model of development of Russia proposed by the liberals has exhausted itself; this is finally recognized by the authorities.
    And what did they think before that only on the basis of raw material exports, with the dominance of the comprador bourgeoisie, while waiting for manna from heaven in the form of investments, it is possible to enter "the paradise of prosperity" of developed countries.
    Dudki, liberals will not succeed without the development of their own fundamental planned state industry. And they will not go for it because of their mentality.
    Who will invest in a state affected by 90% corruption, find such fools.
    Without the development of state capitalism, but rather the organization of a socialist method of management, Russia cannot enter the ranks of the developed modern states.
    And the "conservative forecast" of Russia's development will only lead to its extinction and collapse; Russia will not be able to withstand the current boundaries of such development until 2030.


    The answer to the article may be this: http://politobzor.net/show-7547-segodnya-russkaya-ideya-nazyvaetsya-belorusskoy.
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  21. Governor
    Governor 8 November 2013 15: 54
    -2
    The world is changing very quickly ... And what will happen in 10, 20, 30 years is difficult to even imagine. And it is possible that Russia's economic growth will be much more significant.
  22. Savva30
    Savva30 8 November 2013 16: 11
    +2
    All business operations can ultimately be reduced to the designation in three words: PEOPLE, PRODUCTS, PROFIT. In the first place are people. If you do not have a reliable team, then of the other factors, little can be done.
    Iacocca Lee
  23. uhu189
    uhu189 8 November 2013 18: 34
    0
    I will allow myself to express the idea - perhaps some forum users will not like it very much, but it is unlikely that anyone will argue with it - in order to give comments (meaningful, at least not emotional), you need to understand the whole essence of the problems and have the entirety of information based on which decisions are made. None of us have such fullness, so all our comments are much more emotional than meaningful, unfortunately.
    1. Fin
      Fin 8 November 2013 20: 02
      +3
      Quote: uhu189
      in order to give comments (meaningful at least, not emotional), you need to understand the whole essence of the problems and have the fullness of information. None of us have such fullness, so all our comments are much more emotional than meaningful, unfortunately.

      So what? Offer to silently read and sigh? Watch only TV then. Nobody forbids you to be smart in the kitchen with your wife.
      1. uhu189
        uhu189 8 November 2013 21: 45
        +1
        I generally stopped watching TV, so I can not take your advice. Just exhausting your nerves, splashing out senseless emotions and spitting saliva into the development of a situation of meaning that you and I don’t fully understand are also not the best solution. From this, it’s getting better for nobody, unfortunately. And what I propose is to THINK. To think without emotions, nerves, and compare what is changing in the country not in a month, in a year, but at least in a decade. Because many processes become visible only on this time scale. Didn’t you notice that recently the situation in the country has been openly rocking. Bleed everyone with everyone. Russia with Ukraine, Russians with non-Russians, Orthodox with unbelievers and Muslims, different social groups against each other, local authorities with federal ... Even among the fucking elite, internal clashes are taking place ... It's so obvious that it hurts my eyes. And all this goes through the media. And many of us, proceeding from our patriotic impulses, are readily conducted on similar topics and plots and are included as ordinary participants in processes whose meaning they do not even understand, and in which they are used to further incite hysteria in society .... Although it is necessary just sit down and think a little about what's what and where everything is heading ...
        1. Fin
          Fin 8 November 2013 22: 02
          +1
          Quote: uhu189
          Just exhausting your nerves, splashing out senseless emotions and spitting saliva into the development of a situation of meaning that you and I don’t fully understand are also not the best solution.

          Again a lot of bukoff. Go to church or are you from there?
          1. uhu189
            uhu189 8 November 2013 23: 09
            0
            smile And again they did not guess, I have nothing to do with the church. And not bukoff, but words and sentences, but you are right, there are really a lot of them. Okay, don’t be angry and do not be offended, I didn’t want to hurt you in any way, I really understand your emotions, I was like that myself, especially when I watched ORT channel news before - except for the mat, nothing came out of my mouth - but to no avail. .. If only it would help a little ... despair just rolled over. And then I just read different articles, I thought about it - and gradually it began to come to my mind that everything was not so simple and unambiguous. I think you will get to this, if you want of course. You just need to break out a little from the level of a household and a Chernukha and rise a bit above it - a lot will be perceived differently, I assure you, just try ...
  24. alone
    alone 8 November 2013 21: 08
    +3
    it’s not realistic about the return of the withdrawn capital. Not for this, the finances flowed over the hill, so that later they returned so easily. Very influential forces stood and stand behind the export of capital.
  25. zub46
    zub46 8 November 2013 21: 46
    0
    We will never succeed in returning money from offshore companies. Account holders will not do this (they didn’t take it away for that), and the West will not allow it. So you can put an end to these resources. And while there is still something to trade in the country, we need to immediately nationalize the raw materials industry and engineering. To transfer the main directions of the economy to the planned management of the economy according to the socialist type. Private owners to leave agricultural production, trade, part of civil engineering. To enhance the experience of Yugoslavia of the 50-80s.
  26. igor12
    igor12 8 November 2013 22: 14
    +2
    According to Chubais, the prison has been crying for a long time, and we should start with this budget cut!
  27. Postman
    Postman 8 November 2013 22: 40
    -2
    Quote: Botanologist
    Why are you smoking today with the Western economy "on the rise"?

    I don’t know how you’re stupefying your head, but I don’t smoke at all.

    PWC analysts expect the gradual recovery of the economy in the eurozone countries, and in 2014 the average economic growth rate will be slightly less than 1%. The US economy next year will grow by 2,7%, but despite the improvement in the economically developed countries, the general growth rate of the world economy next year will amount to only about 3%.
    http://www.i-g-t.org/2013/10/17/mir-vozvrashhaetsya-k-dokrizisnoj-modeli-rosta/
    PWC Note - PricewaterhouseCoopers.

    Quote: Botanologist
    When time becomes military, it will be too late to increase costs.
    And explain what you saw so unprecedented in 4%?

    You are not friends with math.
    This year, the military will receive almost 2,5 trillion rubles, and in 2014 - by 391 billion rubles, or 18,6% more. In 2015, they will add another 540 billion, and in 2016 - 350 billion rubles.
    http://www.km.ru/economics/2013/09/23/pensionnyi-fond-rf/721184-rossiya-poluchit

    -voennyi-byudzhet
    1. Botanologist
      Botanologist 9 November 2013 00: 11
      0
      Quote: Postman
      PWC analysts expect


      No comments request

      Quote: Postman
      You are not friends with math.
      This year, the military will receive almost 2,5 trillion rubles,


      The nominal GDP of Russia for the 2012 year amounted to $ 2,014 trillion, or 65 trillions of rubles. Can you split 2,5 into 0,65?
      Mathematician you are ours wassat .

      And by the way, what does the PPP label have to do with it, and even in percentage terms? Have you decided to be smart in those areas that are not written in the primer?
  28. Selevc
    Selevc 8 November 2013 23: 45
    +4
    Russia doesn’t need Nanod with nanocompartments at all - Russia needs a good low-cost housing project - and a good project means, first of all, a project accessible to as many sections of the population as possible ...
    And let Nanochubays live in Nanodom !!! :)))))))))))
  29. Dim btv
    Dim btv 9 November 2013 00: 12
    +5
    I discussed with my colleagues the prospects of buying metal cutting equipment in European countries hit by the crisis. We made a plan for 2014. All the previous 10 years also bought, imported, customs, assembled, adjusted and put into operation. Crisis, not crisis, liberal ideology or who else is to blame I do not know. Need to work. Working conditions in Russia are certainly far from sugar. And the risks are great, and sometimes hands drop. But in its area of ​​production, my company is showing steady growth. Much larger than European competitors. We just have a large market, thank God it’s not Finland and not Bulgaria. Not even Germany. So gentlemen of politics and strategists, you just don’t bother us, at least don’t bother us much. And we will have industry. Modern and efficient, chesslovo.
    1. Misantrop
      Misantrop 9 November 2013 00: 39
      +1
      Quote: Dim BTV
      So gentlemen of politics and strategists, you just don’t bother us, at least don’t bother us much.
      Come on guys! "Everything that does not kill us, only makes us stronger and more experienced ..." (c)
    2. Selevc
      Selevc 9 November 2013 21: 17
      +1
      Quote: Dim BTV
      I discussed with my colleagues the prospects of buying metal cutting equipment in European countries hit by the crisis.

      It’s interesting how the Russian enterprises producing machine tools are doing today? Until 1991, a lot of metal-cutting machines (turning, milling, grinding and others ...) were produced in the RSFSR. What is the situation now?
  30. Stinger
    Stinger 9 November 2013 00: 13
    +1
    It can be seen and die on the verge of happiness. An hour before they start giving out sweets.
  31. hitech
    hitech 9 November 2013 03: 13
    +1
    It’s time for Chubais to set the Nanopamyatnik during his lifetime.
  32. hitech
    hitech 9 November 2013 04: 14
    0
    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=24XBX0Wkmpw&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D24XBX0Wkmpw - это видео отображает всю "суть" нашей экономики.
  33. Postman
    Postman 9 November 2013 09: 46
    0
    Quote: Botanologist
    Quote: Postman
    PWC analysts expect

    No comments


    For the smartest, 2014 has not ended. Or your head is already over. Then no comment.
    Quote: Botanologist
    And by the way, what does the PPP label have to do with it, and even in percentage terms? Have you decided to be smart in those areas that are not written in the primer?


    I always help the blind cross the road - it's a pity. Sorry for you too. Apparently, vision is poor. This is not PPP. THIS GDP. Read on to your primer.
  34. nod739
    nod739 9 November 2013 10: 20
    +2
    It is possible, of course, to hope that the withdrawn trillion will suddenly find itself again in the Russian financial system, and even begin to work for the growth of the country's GDP, but it is unlikely that this hope will come true.

    yeah, still return water from the sewer

    deduce, they’re not folding it into a closet,
    brought out - built a hotel in cyprus
    agashchazz - bang. together with the basement and the beach will be moved somewhere under Ryazan, or where are the taxes lower? oh yes, in Altai, or Far East

    ....
    Petrov has a head cantor in Switzerland. 100% of the enterprise mining wood / coal / copper .... belongs to Petrov
    so, the profit from the mining enterprise = 0, and the whole profit settles in Switzerland, and everything is legal.
    and how to deal with such schemes?
  35. Dim btv
    Dim btv 10 November 2013 16: 01
    0
    However, a significant part of the money going offshore is the payment of actual import contracts. Russian customs and the intermediaries who are involved with it strongly discourage direct contracts, since they do not make money on them. But even here the situation has recently changed for the better. The share of direct contracts is growing. By the way, this is partly due to the "probable adversary", the financial authorities in Europe are fighting for the transparency of their economy. Well, ours are not lagging behind, which is definitely positive. At the expense of hotels, please calm down, our officials rarely invest in real business, neither in Cyprus nor in Ryazan, they are not interested in it. Not so brought up.