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Year Shoigu

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6 November 2013, Sergei Shoigu noted a kind of date. Exactly a year ago, he took the post of Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation, replacing Anatoly Serdyukov. It would seem that only a year has passed since Sergei Shoigu took the post of defense minister, but during this year the new minister was not active, and considerable work was done. But, as you know, any activity receives both positive and negative evaluations, and various representatives of both the professional military environment and, say, the civil society today express sometimes diametrically opposed judgments about the work that Sergei Shoigu does in his current position.




So, exactly a year has passed since that moment when the president of the country (he is the supreme commander-in-chief) dismissed Minister Serdyukov, appointing one of the most experienced Russian politicians Sergey Shoigu, who by that time had many years to give to the Emergency Ministry, and also a little work on the post near Moscow Governor.

What changes since that point (from November 6 2012) have manifested themselves in the Ministry of Defense? Let us try to single out not only those that are most actively discussed today, but also those that, as they say, remain behind the scenes of big politics.

To begin with, it is worth noting that Sergei Shoigu came to the ministry at a time when military reform was gaining momentum, which many dubbed “Serdyukovskaya.” From the point of view of material benefits for the military, this reform seemed to be going in the right direction: increasing the level of monetary allowance (including pensions), at least, the declared reduction in the queues for military personnel to receive housing. Modernization, re-equipment, optimization, innovation, etc. etc. However, in reality, all this went through the heads of those who were left behind the army and fleet for a variety of reasons. Modernization along with rearmament was often carried out only in Napoleonic plans (in their paper version), but they did not spare forces to optimize. The new business card of the Ministry of Defense of the Serdyukov era was: consolidation, unification, consolidation, disposal of non-core property, re-certification, and all that sort of thing.

The servicemen did not pull into reverent attitudes towards the ongoing reform activities, neither an increase in the money allowance, nor any talk about making the dream come true: getting their own apartment. The reason is that the very prestige of the Russian army during the “Serdyukovskiy” reform stage began to roll rapidly downward. Not that he (this very prestige) in recent years was high before Serdyukov, but at that time the fall was frankly noticeable. Experienced officers and generals could not understand what was going on in the army at all, what tasks the ministry was going to solve, and which way would lead hundreds of thousands of servicemen. They called what was happening not a reform, but a rout.

Against this background, any minimal positive in the military environment seemed like a big step forward. Something like this happened after the new minister came to the defense department. A number of his decisions (regarding the Military Medical Academy in St. Petersburg, the rejection of the full prepayment of the state defense order, the return of Suvorov’s parades on Red Square, etc.) were immediately perceived as expected and correct. Paraphrasing the words of the famous American astronaut, we can describe how the actions of the new minister were perceived at the beginning of his work: these are the small steps of Sergei Shoigu and the big steps of the Ministry of Defense and the whole army.

The many-frequent exercises of various military units and units, which were interspersed with sudden (although this term has a lot of critics in this case) checks, became the hallmark of the updated ministry. The exercises and checks were carried out in various military districts using new military equipment, a large number of military personnel (both Russian, for example, Belarusian and Kazakhstani). Not so long ago, a serious check was conducted of the forces of the East Kazakhstan region and the forces of nuclear deterrence, the fleet and Far aviation.

According to experts, many of the teachings lacked scale, and some (including verification of the strategic nuclear forces, East Kazakhstani), on the contrary, were unprecedented. For the first time in all the last years of the Russian army, words about its rebirth began to appear. Little by little, respect for the profession of serving the Motherland began to return, and the prestige of military service increased.

Under the new Minister of Defense, Russia showed the seriousness of plans to return to the Arctic: the base on the Novosibirsk islands is being restored, there are plans to modernize the bases and polygons on Novaya Zemlya.

But one should not lose sight of the fact that when the euphoria in society passed from the first steps of the new minister, his work began to be evaluated more critically. This is happening now. In principle, a completely normal process. Publications began to appear in the press about the fact that everything seemed to be normal, but I would like more from Shoigu. More in terms of real actions, not words; in terms of effective work. Someone was suddenly hurt by the desire of Sergei Shoigu to save a Russian soldier from footcloths, someone saw strangeness in the minister’s passion tank biathlon, someone demanded urgent restoring order in military universities, someone was worried about the length of service on the draft - too, they say, too short for a country like Russia.

No, the flaws and excesses of the new minister, of course, are, as they are, of absolutely anyone who does any work. There are no sinless ones, and even more so among the officials. And although Shoigu is an official and politician who has a very impressive experience, it doesn’t mean that during the year he was at the helm of the defense department, he will take and move mountains, clear the Augean stables and cope with any Lerna hydra ... You can talk about that "I would be in his place" or "another would be in his place", but this is, to put it mildly, a non-constructive conversation. Yes - Shoigu is not a military fairy, who will wave a magic wand and everything in the army will be settled right there, but Shoigu, thank God, is not Manilov. The minister does not wipe his pants in the office, and he is not used to it (at least judging by the principles of his work in the Emergencies Ministry).

Shoigu, which is quite important, is an official who knows how to listen to public opinion. This opinion does not always come in the wake of an occasion, but if it went exclusively in that direction, then in this case there would have been criticism, hinting that Shoigu depended on the mood of the crowd. Like, not a minister, but a rag ... We know ourselves - it’s difficult for us to please ...

They said that the withdrawal from divisions in the Armed Forces — this is from the evil one — Shoigu went on the return of the divisions. They talked about the opacity of the distribution of the housing stock - Shoigu created the institute of public control with the participation of the officers themselves. It was said (and we were on the “Military Review”) that the new emblems of the Russian army proposed by the Ministry of Defense are “artistic climax” —the public also heard about this issue, having decided not to let the proposals that were presented at the Public advice. Did the public listen, for example, Minister Serdyukov? Sure sure...

Sergei Shoigu is the first minister to take real steps towards the de-commercialization of the army. It was with the direct participation of Shoigu that decisions were made to release the Ministry of Defense from financial and economic functions that were completely uncharacteristic of this department. As an example, the Ministry of Defense ceases to participate in military equipment pricing activities and in the implementation of the so-called non-core real estate, which, of course, is a blow to those who cared for a warm spot in the ministry for the implementation of corruption frauds.

But to say that now, from an anti-corruption point of view, silence and grace in the Defense Ministry of the Russian Federation is, of course, premature (the issue with strange prices when buying Glock pistols is one of the last examples). Augean stables still clean and clean ...

In general, for the year of his work on the post of minister, Shoigu is perceived as effective (oh, this word is “effective”) against the background of former minister Serdyukov. In this regard, I would like to hope that over time, the last part of this thesis will disappear by itself, and Sergei Shoigu will be perceived by the Minister (and will prove himself as such), working not for a tick and not for increasing the size of stars on his shoulder straps, but for normal progressive development and strengthening the Russian army and the entire security system of our state and, inseparably, citizens.
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  1. os9165
    os9165 7 November 2013 09: 18 New
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    Shoigu is the best that Putin has. I believe that more effective actions are needed to strengthen the Russian army and the entire security system. There is no time for half-hearted decisions. Only the deaf cannot hear the drums of war.
    1. Arberes
      Arberes 7 November 2013 09: 35 New
      16
      Quote: os9165
      Shoigu is the best that Putin has

      You dear os9165 read my mind! hi
      Yesterday there was a serious dispute about the supreme power and our president. In heated debates, many of our distinguished colleagues ask the question "if not Putin, then who?"
      I have long ago chosen (at least for myself) a new candidate, and this is S.K.SHOIGU.
      And by the way, his department is probably the only one that is not mired in corruption scandals! In terms of personal income, he is also not among the first hundred of our high-ranking officials.
      1. Canep
        Canep 7 November 2013 09: 42 New
        12
        Shoigu's work must be judged by the results of sudden checks of the combat readiness of units, formations, formations, fleets and arms of service of Russia. In the meantime, serious punctures are not visible in this.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 7 November 2013 09: 47 New
          22
          In fact, sudden checks showed the results of Serdyukov.
          1. bolonenkov
            bolonenkov 7 November 2013 13: 00 New
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            Quote: Spade
            In fact, sudden checks showed the results of Serdyukov.

            Especially the first, when half of the tanks remained in the hangars
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 7 November 2013 13: 27 New
              +1
              Both the first and the rest. Shoigu did not fundamentally change anything in this regard. Unlike Serdyukov
              1. bolonenkov
                bolonenkov 7 November 2013 18: 15 New
                +2
                Quote: Spade
                Both the first and the rest. Shoigu did not fundamentally change anything in this regard. Unlike Serdyukov

                When Serdyukov there were no such checks - a fact
                The first check was a failure - fact
                The latter in the Far East was huge in scope, not without problems, but successful - a fact

                I agree with you that Serdyuk also did a lot of good work, but also a lot of stocks and, most importantly, brought everything to nothing by the corrupt affairs of his women.
                1. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 7 November 2013 18: 20 New
                  +2
                  Quote: bolonenkov
                  When Serdyukov there were no such checks - a fact

                  Were a fact. It’s just that they weren’t ringing at every corner.

                  Quote: bolonenkov
                  The first check was a failure - fact

                  Like the rest.
              2. Alekseev
                Alekseev 8 November 2013 13: 19 New
                +2
                I have nothing against Shoigu, especially in comparison with the field furniture.
                But, there are the most important problems of the Armed Forces, the solution of which depends not only on the Defense Ministry.
                1. Staffing, the creation of a fair system of conscription, as a system of primary training of mob.resursy and a system of general "hardening" of the worthy male half of Russians.
                2. Formation of professional rapid deployment forces.
                3. Restoration and improvement of the mob system. deployment
                4. And most importantly, restoring order and discipline in the troops.
                While real and large-scale steps in this direction are not visible.
        2. baltika-18
          baltika-18 7 November 2013 10: 06 New
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          Quote: Canep
          Shoigu's work must be judged by the results of sudden checks of the combat readiness of units, formations, formations, fleets and arms of service of Russia.

          They warn me for a month. They take journalists with them, TV men, and they are preparing a script.
          Suddenly, when I arrived on an alarm, I picked it up and ordered it to move to a given area to perform a specific task. And when all this is filmed, this show is for us about success and advertising Shoigu.
          1. Corsair
            Corsair 7 November 2013 10: 39 New
            +4
            Quote: baltika-18
            They warn me for a month. They take journalists with them, TV men, and they are preparing a script.

            Even so, but the troops ARE PREPARING MONTH ...
            And this can only have a positive effect on combat readiness.
            1. baltika-18
              baltika-18 7 November 2013 10: 56 New
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              Quote: Corsair
              Even so, but the troops ARE PREPARED MONTH ..

              And I don’t argue with this. The teachings are not only a way to train personnel, but an opportunity to identify shortcomings. I’m talking about something else: you don’t have to rub stories into the ears that Putin and Shoigu flew on the plane and decided to suddenly conduct a test with the exercises as it comes with the blessing of the authorities in the media. Putin came to us, they warn us in a couple of months, cops and the FSB begin to boil, a route, places of visits, selection of people for meetings, warnings to residents of neighboring houses that would not go to balconies They’ll be placed around. Security is top-level. Everything is right. The President, and the Minister of Defense are not a bit in the ass. And they tell us all of a sudden, yes there they warn in a month, two. And those places where the president will FSO probes and prepares. And if He’s coming to the exercises, so it’s generally thought that the booster is worth it.
          2. bolonenkov
            bolonenkov 7 November 2013 13: 02 New
            +1
            Quote: baltika-18
            They warn me for a month. They take journalists with them, TV men, and they are preparing a script.

            What sudden teachings were known in a month? just cite publications like
            from 1.01.2013 "Sudden exercises are being prepared in the Western Military District"
            from 1.02.2013 "Sudden exercises of the Western Military District began"
          3. Russ69
            Russ69 7 November 2013 13: 18 New
            +6
            Quote: baltika-18
            Warn for a month

            The fact that anxieties will be, everyone expects. But the essence of the current checks is not to stupidly raise the alarm part, having moved along a familiar route to the nearest training ground, along a pre-worked route. Namely, the surprise of the order, according to alarm actions.
            To alarm, a couple of reporters is not a problem. And even necessary, nobody canceled the army’s PR. People should know that money is simply being spent on the army. And then earlier, besides the fact that summer cottages for generals are being built, nothing was discussed ... smile
            At least in our part, no one knew about the verification.
      2. calocha
        calocha 7 November 2013 16: 42 New
        +1
        Confuses that dear S.K. Shoigu at one time was distributing weapons (from a weapon) at the White House, if not for his actions, maybe there would have been fewer corpses .... For me it’s Abdulatipov! (I can smell a kind man inside), and ideally A.G. Lukashenko ..... It’s a pity that these are dreams ...
      3. JIaIIoTb
        JIaIIoTb 8 November 2013 07: 01 New
        0
        Shoigu is quite an adequate replacement for Putin. I suspect that he is already on the list of likely successors to the post of President of the Russian Federation.
    2. baltika-18
      baltika-18 7 November 2013 09: 59 New
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      Quote: os9165
      Shoigu is the best that Putin has

      And Putin is the best that Shoigu has. Well, apart from the daughter of course, the great Emergencies Ministry psychologist. We all have the most powerful children in power. wassat
      1. bolonenkov
        bolonenkov 7 November 2013 13: 04 New
        +2
        Quote: baltika-18
        In all of us in power, the children are exceptionally talented.

        Yeltsin-the only thing that Russia has !! Something like that, exceptionally talented children of the Soviets shouted at ploshadah at the dawn of the 90s ...
    3. shurup
      shurup 7 November 2013 10: 33 New
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      Dzerzhinsky is the best that Lenin had. A nobleman and professional revolutionary, creator of the Cheka and just an iron man. Thanks to him, the coup was called the Great Revolution.
      Shoigu is not the best that Putin has, who himself will never admit that he has, like that modest, bashful Alhen, who runs the house of the old ladies whom he turned Russia into.
      The old women are miserable, but complain about freeloaders who sell furniture in the market, especially the chair in which Vasilyeva did not manage to sew diamonds.
      These are the Hercules of our time. Their exploits will still be sung.
    4. Megatron
      Megatron 7 November 2013 11: 29 New
      0
      Shoigu as Putin’s successor?
      1. klimpopov
        klimpopov 7 November 2013 12: 05 New
        +7
        Act citizens - comrades! Which Shoigu receiver? Take a close look at what the Ministry of Emergencies is and it would not hurt to ask the Ministry of Emergency Situations for an opinion ...
        1. kafa
          kafa 7 November 2013 13: 00 New
          +3
          and Vee take your time, look at the data ... he must leave this dimmy bear after himself laughing
          1. klimpopov
            klimpopov 7 November 2013 13: 28 New
            +2
            Holy holy holy !!! Holy holy holy !!! Do not see the Lord.
          2. Shur
            Shur 7 November 2013 22: 34 New
            0
            It is very sad if this is so.
      2. Drosselmeyer
        Drosselmeyer 7 November 2013 14: 58 New
        +2
        Operation Receiver has begun.
    5. Ah1ll
      Ah1ll 8 November 2013 07: 37 New
      0
      And Rogozin? What about Lavrov? A lot of good and faithful people!
    6. nickname 1 and 2
      nickname 1 and 2 8 November 2013 12: 41 New
      0
      and Sergey Shoigu will be perceived by the Minister


      PERCEPTED!
  2. a52333
    a52333 7 November 2013 09: 19 New
    +7
    One of the few who is in his place. And his attitude to "liberoids" pleases.
    1. smersh70
      smersh70 7 November 2013 09: 31 New
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      Quote: a52333
      One of the few who are in their place.

      but don’t forget, he was Yeltsin’s man. and once worked with Ryzhkov in his team ... and in 93, he distributed 1000 machine guns from the Ministry of Emergency Situations to confront the communists and patriots ... not so much time has passed, and the patriots are already folding his honor is ode .....
      1. Arberes
        Arberes 7 November 2013 09: 44 New
        +3
        Quote: smersh70
        but don’t forget, he was a man of Yeltsin.

        We do not forget anything. Most of the top officials are heirs to the Yeltsin’s rule, and so what? VVP is generally his receiver and nothing live however!
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 7 November 2013 09: 48 New
          +4
          Even the fact that Shoigu was stung by the Civil Defense and Emergencies of the USSR to the size of the Ministry of Emergencies did not forget?
          1. Arberes
            Arberes 7 November 2013 10: 20 New
            +4
            Quote: Spade
            Even the fact that Shoigu was stung by the Civil Defense and Emergencies of the USSR to the size of the Ministry of Emergencies did not forget?

            I do not know the whole background of these events. The only thing I can say, maybe the question rested on financing these structures? Did you consider it necessary not to allocate money for this? Do not forget that he, too, is not in splendid isolation solves such issues?
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 7 November 2013 10: 33 New
              +8
              The question rested on a lot. Including commercial interests. The infrastructure of civil defense and emergency situations, as well as the equipment that was released during the "creation of the Ministry of Emergency Situations" from scratch, was not thrown into the trash.

              The epitaph of Shoigu's activities in this post was the decision to re-create the public warning system, which we lost as a result of his work as "the main rescuer"
              1. klimpopov
                klimpopov 7 November 2013 12: 09 New
                +6
                I will support Lopatov. Everyone somehow forgot about the collapse of civil defense and emergencies (a powerful structure) and the creation of a structure in the wreckage in a banana form that can transport blankets. How global disaster - who? The soldiers and the conscripts. Question! So what kind of lyad was to separate the Ministry of Emergencies? Could it be that someone would become a marshal? Wang stop five hundred minuses but you still remember these words!
                What not to take away is a piercing look, and the creation of a sensation of violent activity. And still such a look, uh, Stanislavsky would even have believed but I didn’t.
                Move on. What can we expect in the army after Shoigu? That's right, a certain structure that will be able to "transport blankets" following the example of the Ministry of Emergencies. Only now, after the reduction of the army itself, from where will we bite off further. By the way, there is the Ministry of Internal Affairs, also not a plowed field for La Shoigu.
                Excuse me for seeing and writing.
              2. bolonenkov
                bolonenkov 7 November 2013 13: 06 New
                -1
                Quote: Spade
                The epitaph of Shoigu's activities in this post was the decision to re-create the public warning system, which we lost as a result of his work as "the main rescuer"

                You do not confuse your autism in choosing the first president of the Russian Federation and the need to restore what was destroyed by the result of your choice?
                1. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 7 November 2013 13: 14 New
                  +1
                  I didn’t choose him
                  1. Shur
                    Shur 7 November 2013 22: 45 New
                    0
                    And I voted for him once. You know, life was difficult, I wanted better. Since then, I just don't see the point in "elections". I have no one to vote for.
              3. seller trucks
                seller trucks 7 November 2013 16: 08 New
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                Quote: Spade
                The epitaph of Shoigu's activities in this post was the decision to re-create the public warning system, which we lost as a result of his work as "the main rescuer"


                I am not an expert in the field of civil defense, but let me ask you, in what way did you see the "effectiveness" of the troops of the Civil Defense of the USSR, as far as I remember they (the troops) used up ... , and Chernobyl is generally the height of stupidity, bungling, and by and large a crime.
                1. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 7 November 2013 17: 22 New
                  0
                  Let's talk about "fucked up in full" in more detail
                  1. seller trucks
                    seller trucks 7 November 2013 17: 47 New
                    +3
                    Quote: Spade
                    Let's talk about "fucked up in full" in more detail


                    Spitak, from two regiments of GO troops (955-m and 453-m) with a staff number of 1350 people and 250 units. technicians could really work 17 bulldozers, 4 excavators and 6 heavy trucks
                    Due to the weak carrying capacity and volume of the bodies, ZIL-157, GAZ-66, GAZ-53 trucks were almost useless. In fact, of all the equipment involved (750 trucks and dump trucks, 240 bulldozers, cranes and other special equipment), only 120 dump trucks and 70 cranes and bulldozers were used

                    Feskov V.I. "The Soviet Army during the Cold War"
                    1. seller trucks
                      seller trucks 7 November 2013 17: 54 New
                      +1
                      P / s in the same place "The approximate number of these troops was 100 thousand people, both military and civilian. The main armament was automobile, engineering and engineering reconnaissance equipment, including those created on the basis of the PT-76, T-34 tanks, T-55. However, quantitatively and qualitatively, the GO units were very poorly equipped, which was shown by what happened in the 80s. "
                    2. Lopatov
                      Lopatov 7 November 2013 18: 12 New
                      +4
                      So what? Look at the staff of the GO regiment, remember its main purpose. What is the emergency rescue battalion of a single fur. GO regiment?
                      these are three IMR, two bulldozers, two excavators, three truck cranes, cars and other BRDMs.
                      And these shelves were cropped. Accordingly, most pieces of equipment were not designed to disassemble the rubble.

                      Now remember Krymsk. What could the valiant Ministry of Emergencies take out there? That's right, communication machines and people. And that’s it. The rest is the army. Because such a regiment, apparently, is now the only one in the entire North Caucasus.
                      1. Wal
                        Wal 8 November 2013 06: 40 New
                        0
                        This situation was not only in Krymsk.
                  2. seller trucks
                    seller trucks 7 November 2013 17: 56 New
                    +2
                    And about Chernobyl, not only about the accident, there were silent 36 hours, they also evacuated 10 days, such things.

                    Only on May 23 of 1986 did the official distribution of iodine-containing preparations among the population begin, which were supposed to interfere with thyroid absorption of radioactive iodine. From a medical point of view, it was already too late, because The main release of radioactive iodine occurred in the first 10 days after the accident
          2. Russ69
            Russ69 7 November 2013 13: 23 New
            +1
            Quote: Spade
            Even the fact that Shoigu was stung by the Civil Defense and Emergencies of the USSR to the size of the Ministry of Emergencies did not forget?

            We have not only civil defense organizations, have shrunk to the size of the Ministry of Emergencies, but the whole army, in comparison with the USSR. What it was all about, after the devastation of the 90s. Shoigu at least blinded a more or less functioning structure.
            1. Russ69
              Russ69 7 November 2013 15: 44 New
              +1
              Apparently, who puts the minus, does not even imagine what the GO was like in Soviet times. I will explain the Toda. Most of the GO facilities did not belong to the MO, but to the local authorities. And only it was supervised by MO.
              After breaking management, as a result, many facilities were simply beyond the power of local authorities and receded into the background. No one had enough money from either the army or the local authorities. Accordingly, the creation of the Ministry of Emergencies, with separate funding, was the right decision. And of course, many of the functions previously smeared across various departments were concentrated in one place. And now in the management of the Ministry of Emergencies, there are representatives of the Ministry of Defense constantly, to coordinate actions.
              Learn, in the end, your desires to measure with the possibilities.
              1. Anatole Klim
                Anatole Klim 7 November 2013 16: 05 New
                +2
                Quote: Russ69
                Most of the GO facilities did not belong to the MO, but to the local authorities. And only it was supervised by MO. After breaking management, as a result, many facilities were simply beyond the power of local authorities and receded into the background. No one had enough money for either the army or local authorities

                Civil defense facilities are currently on the balance of local authorities and have scarce funding (Krymsk-there were no sirens, warning, emergency warning was thrown to poor local authorities-condemned)
                Representatives of the Ministry of Defense are constantly in control of the Ministry of Emergencies ??? I don’t know about Moscow, there aren’t in the regions, do not mislead the ignorant.
  3. Alikovo
    Alikovo 7 November 2013 09: 23 New
    -1
    in a year he did more than Serdyukov in 5 years.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 7 November 2013 09: 25 New
      16
      He did nothing at all in a year.
      1. Tommygun
        Tommygun 7 November 2013 10: 41 New
        +1
        This is still more than Serdyukov for 5.
        Because 0> -100500
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 7 November 2013 11: 22 New
          +2
          No, under Serdyukov a lot was done.
          1. Arberes
            Arberes 7 November 2013 11: 31 New
            +5
            Quote: Spade
            No, under Serdyukov a lot was done.

            And probably even more plundered and collapsed?
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 7 November 2013 11: 39 New
              0
              No more than with other Russian defense ministers.
              1. Arberes
                Arberes 7 November 2013 12: 06 New
                +3
                Quote: Spade
                No more than with other Russian defense ministers.

                Well, no less, that's for sure! Serdyukov is the apotheosis of corruption!
                During his reign, or perhaps from his submission, a contemptuous phrase with respect to the military came into use - "little green men" he would fill his face, but the trouble is his hands are short!

                But in general, what is the last number of funds spent for other purposes, incriminated to his female battalion, that is, to him?
                1. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 7 November 2013 12: 14 New
                  0
                  No, the apotheosis was at Pasha Mercedes. Apotheosis. And Serdyukov with his female battalion is like a trifle in short pants.
                2. klimpopov
                  klimpopov 7 November 2013 12: 15 New
                  +2
                  Look how cool it is. The fact that Shoigu did nothing at all, everyone is so enthusiastic - as against the background of Serdyukov and so on ... Finally, it's cool! And you don’t need to work. ..))) Populist measures (shoulder straps, chevrons) ... I don’t think ...
                  1. Arberes
                    Arberes 7 November 2013 12: 54 New
                    +2
                    Quote: klimpopov
                    Look how cool it is. The fact that Shoigu did nothing at all, everyone is so enthusiastic - as against the background of Serdyukov and so on ... Finally, it's cool! And you don’t need to work. ..))) Populist measures (shoulder straps, chevrons) ... I don’t think ...

                    So for such a short period, what can be done? Some people do not have enough three terms to bring at least some sort of order in the vertical of power! Constantly declares that he alone works?
                    1. klimpopov
                      klimpopov 7 November 2013 12: 58 New
                      0
                      A lot can be done in a year, and there are examples)))
                  2. hohryakov066
                    hohryakov066 7 November 2013 13: 57 New
                    +1
                    "Everyone imagines himself to be a strategist seeing the battle from afar". Once again I recall this expression after reading comments on the topic. Article and author +. Shoigu is attractive to the majority of the people, and he doesn’t make such wild shoals as a stool, and ideal ministers do not exist by definition!
                    1. Yarosvet
                      Yarosvet 7 November 2013 19: 19 New
                      +2
                      Quote: hohryakov066
                      Yes, and such wild shoals like Taburetkin does not commit

                      And these were the jambs? belay

                      No, my dear - it was a reform initiated by the first person and under his control.
      2. bddrus
        bddrus 7 November 2013 12: 01 New
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        How nothing ??? look at its shape - ryushechki, pictures, flags, and changed the shoulder straps of the army general! and again to repaint the planes and draw new American stars? nothing - seven sweats came off.
        • Recall all those laid off in stock. Cancel vacation.
        To build a guard in the central square. Uniform - summer, front.
        Blue uniforms with a gold rim. Sewn sleeve. The lapels are wide.
        The waistline is 10 cm lower than in peacetime.
        •Below?
        • That is, higher.
        • And the chest?
        • What, chest?
        • Leave in place?
        • No, take it with you.
      3. Shur
        Shur 7 November 2013 23: 14 New
        +2
        Tank pokatushki resemble the handwriting of an entertainer and nothing more. I am not a defense specialist or a military man, but even based on simple logic and common sense, this is not something to do. Some kind of throwing in recent years. Are they themselves not dumb from how things are? Okay Serdyukov, he obviously got to the wrong place, and Shoigu? The Public Council ... what about the experts? All of us will never come to the understanding that specialists in this field should deal with everything, and not "effective managers". They take everything, genianuses are straight. In general, the level of reason falls in Russia. Everything is interconnected and it is clear that the problems of the Ministry of Defense are a reflection of the problems of everything. What do not you touch? There is only one scheme: "removed the old ones, recruited" new "ones twice as many, renamed everything, painted everything," superfluous "handed over to the metal, made repairs in the offices, stuffed exclusively with imported equipment, hung up the signs, raised the payment to the management - all reform took place ".
    2. baltika-18
      baltika-18 7 November 2013 09: 54 New
      +5
      Quote: Alikovo
      in a year he did more than Serdyukov in 5 years.

      And what did he do in a year?
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 7 November 2013 10: 18 New
        +8
        He did a lot.

        First, he created the "tank biathlon" show.
        Secondly, he worked actively in the military tailoring sector, created a new set of uniforms for staff, and ruined the field uniform set from BTK for troops
        Thirdly, a lot of PR, which was also spent a lot of effort.

        Look like that's it. Oh yes, he promised a lot to do something, and, apparently, failed admission to the military schools.
        1. Salavatsky Ministry of Emergency Situations
          Salavatsky Ministry of Emergency Situations 7 November 2013 10: 54 New
          +8
          Forgot about the scientific company.
          And the NCUOG will appear soon, and then we'll see what happens.
          In the Ministry of Emergency Situations already spat from NCUKS
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 7 November 2013 11: 23 New
            0
            Right I somehow forgot about these units, which at times increase the combat readiness of the RA ...

            Quote: Salavat EMERCOM
            In the Ministry of Emergency Situations already spat from NCUKS

            What is it?
            1. Salavatsky Ministry of Emergency Situations
              Salavatsky Ministry of Emergency Situations 7 November 2013 11: 48 New
              12
              In ZUKS such OPA, just full KAPUT.
              Suppose there is an emergency in the city - the dispatcher of the service-112, instead of something that would steer the units of constant readiness, send them to the place of emergency, work out the documents on emergency situations and send them to the CSC of the region. All documents need to be processed in 2 hours, 50 minutes, 38 documents, one third of them in PowerPoint slides are various 2GIS cards, arrows, icons, flags, cars, men, boats and other dregs. All documents are reduced to the same thing - it turns out we have an emergency here, here! Spinning eggs in profile, full face, reverse and obverse.
              It took ten minutes after the occurrence of an emergency, but at this time the selector of the region’s operational duty officer of the regional management center — urgently give the names, patronymic names and diagnosis of the injured and the dead, although they have not yet been taken to the hospital. Of course, a polite fuy responds promptly, it takes two minutes - he gets to the CUKS Regional Center selector with the same question, and yells at the regional and our dispatcher. Then Moscow is cut short - when, your mother, you liquidate the emergency. Yes, how do we know, the amount of work has not yet been fully determined! ZUKS really do not work, every 20-30 is twitching for seconds either by phone or by selector. But not one operational duty officer of the TsUKS pulls away, but all en masse, and there are 10 people in the shift.
              In short, one dispatcher rushes in front of the telephones, the second - in front of the selector screen, the third and fourth play on the computer that Mozart is on the piano. It’s in our 4 dispatcher, and in the 1-2 districts, how things are going there, I don’t even think about it.
              This is the CSC - an IMPROVED system for the day-to-day management of emergency forces forces and facilities.
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 7 November 2013 11: 55 New
                +7
                Y-yes ... I remember there was a joke "How to defeat the OVD troops? We must declare war on them and do nothing. They will destroy themselves in a month with the work of their headquarters, checks and parades." In the Ministry of Emergencies, this is no longer a joke, but a reality.

                I went on duty on the part, also sometimes uncles from the division got out, but not so much. As I understand it, with the introduction of the analogue of the CEC, next to the duty room, it will be necessary to equip the room for clerks. With a sleeping room.
              2. Salavatsky Ministry of Emergency Situations
                Salavatsky Ministry of Emergency Situations 7 November 2013 12: 06 New
                +9
                After such effective management, when a Colonel or a General yells at our dispatcher girls on a video selector (often with a foul language, and this is seen by all those who are connected to the selector, and sometimes it happens that several regions are connected), when after that they cry and drink valerian, love for Shoigu I do not reach.
                1. klimpopov
                  klimpopov 7 November 2013 12: 18 New
                  +3
                  Here is an opinion to confirm my words. It is waiting for the army.
                2. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 7 November 2013 12: 19 New
                  +9
                  Quote: Salavat EMERCOM
                  when a colonel or a general screams at our girls-dispatchers by video selector (often using obscenities, and all those who are connected to the selector, and sometimes it happens that several regions are connected), when after that they cry and drink valerian, love for Shoigu I have no fun.

                  This is not good. The military has experience of acting in such situations, obtained even in military schools, they yell at you, and you think, "It's cool that the stripe's ears move at the same time." Women do not have such immunity.
                  1. klimpopov
                    klimpopov 7 November 2013 12: 31 New
                    +8
                    and you think "and it's cool at the stripe ears while moving."

                    The main thing is to look at the lips too, so as not to miss the moment when they finish talking and say "Yes"! Hmm, it's hard for girls, yes damn it, it’s not manly to behave like that. But they are banana generals, you have to show the power ...
                    1. Salavatsky Ministry of Emergency Situations
                      Salavatsky Ministry of Emergency Situations 7 November 2013 12: 41 New
                      +4
                      Here is a typical senior selector: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9bVxyc-iVY
              3. bddrus
                bddrus 7 November 2013 12: 14 New
                +8
                Was it the Emergencies Ministry who gave him the nickname "Khuzhenekudavich" or the intrigues of "bloggers"?
                1. Salavatsky Ministry of Emergency Situations
                  Salavatsky Ministry of Emergency Situations 7 November 2013 12: 21 New
                  +1
                  Yes, precisely in the MES
              4. FRITZ LANG
                FRITZ LANG 7 November 2013 12: 35 New
                0
                and when emergency situations are eliminated if everyone is busy with bureaucracy?
                1. klimpopov
                  klimpopov 7 November 2013 12: 43 New
                  +3
                  The fact of the matter is that when everyone is busy with bureaucracy, it is necessary to eliminate the emergency, well, the military has always helped the population, regardless of power. The people and the army are one, it was and I hope so. By the way, the Ministry of Emergencies can then bring a mineral water plane))))
                  Children of the Ministry of Emergencies, please forgive me for such harsh words, they do not apply to people who REALLY save lives, to whom stars are not important, I know that there are such ...
                  1. Salavatsky Ministry of Emergency Situations
                    Salavatsky Ministry of Emergency Situations 7 November 2013 12: 51 New
                    +5
                    And we do not take offense. I personally do not eliminate the emergency, I’m the head of the department, an ordinary paperman, a former military man from headquarters (by the way, Shoigu took off our shoulder straps), now civilians, I help our girls in emergency situations to draw slides, sometimes on the selector bark up I can, so as not to vampire
                    1. klimpopov
                      klimpopov 7 November 2013 12: 56 New
                      +1
                      Well, yes, it turns out hostages of the system created by Khuzhenekudovich. You have to fight back. Sadly that's all. What effective management is this when so much effort and forest is spent on repelling the attacks of superiors?
                      But the people then do not know and admire!
                    2. klimpopov
                      klimpopov 7 November 2013 13: 00 New
                      0
                      By the way, with gas rescuers at the plant, we also made such a sekas in the context of the Ministry of Emergencies ... but this is the material of a separate criminal case ...
                      By the way, at the competitions for the elimination of the chemical nucleation of the Ministry of Emergencies, they were in last place))) The first place was the synthesis apparatchiks, who, as a rule, could lose)))) Such things.
                2. Salavatsky Ministry of Emergency Situations
                  Salavatsky Ministry of Emergency Situations 7 November 2013 12: 45 New
                  +2
                  The bureaucracy is occupied by the higher authorities, thank God, in the place of the emergency, they do not interfere with work (yet), although they force the rescuers to send 30 units within 8 minutes after arriving at the place of emergency. (no less, it is possible more) MMS with photos of the consequences of the emergency situation in the CGS of the region, and the task force from the fire protection garrison to deploy the video selector from the emergency site.
                  1. klimpopov
                    klimpopov 7 November 2013 12: 51 New
                    +1
                    and the task force from the fire brigade to deploy a video selector from the emergency.

                    That is, precious time is wasted again. But the selector - is this a reality show for them? Well, I don’t understand the point, in the first minutes you need to REMOVE the consequences of the emergency and not send MMSki. By the way, if there is no connection? Yes, and MMS goes on for a long time. And what about the Nokia phone for 1000? Or are there service smarts?
                    1. Salavatsky Ministry of Emergency Situations
                      Salavatsky Ministry of Emergency Situations 7 November 2013 13: 06 New
                      +5
                      Nobody understands this reality show, except Moscow.
                      There was a case a month ago. There was an accident (and not an emergency condition that falls under the criterion) in our area of ​​responsibility, but in a place where cellular communication, except for biline, does not catch. And the task force, as a sin, has a service mobile phone and an 3G modem on the MTS (ksatit has to pay so much for the connection that it is a guard). In short, they yelled, shouted at our dispatchers: where are they saying pictures and a connection with the place of the accident! And they do not even know what to answer, because the connection goes only on VHF, and how to organize the selector and MMS in this way have not yet been invented by the Ministry of Emergency Situations. After eliminating the consequences of accidents, a whole protocol of the meeting of the government commission on emergencies came from the General Directorate - they say, understand and punish. This is the trick. And the fire brigade commander was advised to purchase a three-pin phone, so that MTS was Megafon and Beeline, as well as a 3 modem using the same technology. Funny But I am now sad.
                      1. klimpopov
                        klimpopov 7 November 2013 13: 33 New
                        +1
                        Here's the trick. And the head of the garrison of the fire department was advised to purchase a three-sim phone, so that MTS had both Megafon and Beeline, as well as an 3 modem using the same technology. Is funny But I'm sad.

                        You know, at the EMERCOM exercises, we were not able to evacuate the marks of the wounded from 23. Even the apparatchiks made fun. But before gas rescuers were always in isolation. What happened By the way, the apparatchiks coped with the evacuation. So I feel sad. And about what new marking of pipelines I generally keep quiet, only this is what they do ...
      2. bddrus
        bddrus 7 November 2013 12: 03 New
        +1
        More than Serdyukov? - it scares - how many billions are there in the Oboronservis case?
    3. Wal
      Wal 7 November 2013 10: 11 New
      +7
      The main thing was not done this year. An objective assessment of the "reform" that was carried out over 5 years has not been officially given
  4. LaGlobal
    LaGlobal 7 November 2013 09: 23 New
    -3
    I, as a person who, unfortunately, was not able to pay my debt to my homeland, but who actively followed the latest developments in the RF Ministry of Defense, draw my conclusions: Shoigu, took up a post at a difficult and necessary time for the country and the army. And it will take him a long time to bring the RUSSIAN ARMY to the MIND. Just as he did with the Ministry of Emergencies.

    PS In general - well done, comrade Shoigu!
    1. Anatole Klim
      Anatole Klim 7 November 2013 09: 32 New
      +8
      Quote: LaGlobal
      Just as he did with the Ministry of Emergencies.

      God forbid that he made the army similar to the "department" of the Ministry of Emergencies.
      1. LaGlobal
        LaGlobal 7 November 2013 09: 37 New
        0
        Quote: Anatol Klim
        God forbid that he made the army similar to the "department" of the Ministry of Emergencies.


        Why?

        EMERCOM of the Russian Federation, famous throughout the world for their exploits!
        Where the incident is - there will always come to the rescue of the Ministry of Emergencies!
        1. Wolf 1
          Wolf 1 7 November 2013 10: 42 New
          +7
          Yes, because Shoiga turned the Ministry of Emergencies into a bureaucratic monster: he created a bunch of administrations and a herd of managers with big asterisks on shoulder straps, and each of them wants to command; there was a lot of fuss with papers due to countless orders, decrees. At the same time, ordinary workers are often not enough. There is a lot of window dressing when the valiant Ministry of Emergencies comes to the aid of the whole world, but somehow forgets about its citizens. Have you heard anything about forest fires in the north of Siberia this summer ?!
          1. LaGlobal
            LaGlobal 7 November 2013 10: 58 New
            0
            Quote: Wolf-1
            Yes, because Shoiga turned the Ministry of Emergencies into a bureaucratic monster: he created a bunch of administrations and a herd of managers with big asterisks on shoulder straps, and each of them wants to command; there was a lot of fuss with papers due to countless orders, decrees. At the same time, ordinary workers are often not enough. There is a lot of window dressing when the valiant Ministry of Emergencies comes to the aid of the whole world, but somehow forgets about its citizens. Have you heard anything about forest fires in the north of Siberia this summer ?!


            Something, somehow from my friends - Vadim and Yuri, who work in the structure of the Ministry of Emergencies, did not hear how they are not happy ... Although at a meeting my friends tell me, sometimes, about their work.
            1. Salavatsky Ministry of Emergency Situations
              Salavatsky Ministry of Emergency Situations 7 November 2013 11: 57 New
              +2
              They do not work in the TSUKS?
            2. Wolf 1
              Wolf 1 7 November 2013 12: 16 New
              +3
              They probably don’t want to upset you. I don’t want to either, but ... it’s boiling.
              Take a look at your leisure http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ijilfnV0u8
              Want more - type in the search engine "Ministry of Emergency Situations-ovsky madhouse"
          2. misljachii
            misljachii 10 November 2013 11: 12 New
            +1
            I heard, and even we had fires, only oil companies did not advertise them, but extinguished them by brigade / shift workers.
        2. Wolf 1
          Wolf 1 7 November 2013 10: 47 New
          +4
          Therefore, it is a pity for the army, the same thing awaits it. Now I have taken up my favorite emblem-stripes.
          1. Wolf 1
            Wolf 1 7 November 2013 13: 00 New
            +2
            Well, here you are ------ "A completely new structure is being created in the Armed Forces at the direction of Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu, which will be designed to assess the mental state of personnel. The name of this structure is the Service for the Control of Potential Drug Use by Military Personnel (SKVUVN). ".--------- And I thought, what else is missing in the army ...
        3. Salavatsky Ministry of Emergency Situations
          Salavatsky Ministry of Emergency Situations 7 November 2013 10: 54 New
          +9
          Yeah, in the Far East came, as much 10% of the army forces and assets amounted to.
          EMERCOM IS NOT READY to eliminate the consequences of major natural disasters and catastrophes, the Army always carries everything. The Emergencies Ministry has too many bosses and idlers from different departments, General Offices, NCUKS, RTU ZUKSov and TSUKSov regions - from about 300000 EMERCOM personnel - 40000 chiefs, that is, 1 chief - 7,5 subordinates. Firemen and rescuers wearing epaulets - once or twice and obchelsya. The main tasks are assigned to municipal firefighters and rescuers with meager wages, which do not belong to the Ministry of Emergency Situations, but for some reason they obey, follow instructions from a pile of papers, get trindels on selectors. Now I'm sitting at work, and on my desk to the execution of 8 documents. The city administration is already laughing, they say - your Ministry of Emergency Situations is the most writing ministry - until 10-12 documents come in a week, and from the Ministry of Culture, for example, rarely 2-3 per month
          1. bddrus
            bddrus 7 November 2013 12: 18 New
            -3
            Well, if you have time to sit on the Internet, you can see few documents in the work.
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 7 November 2013 12: 27 New
              +3
              And he, as the right boss, is not going to do his job for his subordinates. I, too, when I served, did little myself regarding the pieces of paper.
            2. Salavatsky Ministry of Emergency Situations
              Salavatsky Ministry of Emergency Situations 7 November 2013 12: 32 New
              +3
              Fortunately, I have time to surf the Internet too, because I got into the habit of "smart" letters from the Ministry of Emergency Situations to quickly cook up "smart" answers. After all, almost all requests boil down to one thing - statistics. I often answer myself, since I have only one subordinate, they don't give any more.
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 7 November 2013 13: 22 New
                +2
                To do this, you need to create templates for smart responses. And keep all the previous ones, because many new smart answers can be made from old ones with minimal rework. "We swam - we know" (c)
                True, I have not encountered high technology, everything is exclusively on paper. The printer stank of the entire office from overheating.
                1. Salavatsky Ministry of Emergency Situations
                  Salavatsky Ministry of Emergency Situations 7 November 2013 15: 27 New
                  +4
                  Quote: Spade
                  For this you need to create templates of smart answers.

                  And I do, I have these templates on 6,07 gigabytes, so here.
                  The paint in the printer (very good) is refilled every two months, and this is sooooo often.
                  1. Lopatov
                    Lopatov 7 November 2013 17: 25 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Salavat EMERCOM
                    The paint in the printer (very good) is refilled every two months, and this is sooooo often.

                    I know this is cool. This is about twice as much as I had to print.
                  2. misljachii
                    misljachii 10 November 2013 11: 15 New
                    0
                    once in two months? during the internship we refuel the printer once every two weeks
            3. Salavatsky Ministry of Emergency Situations
              Salavatsky Ministry of Emergency Situations 7 November 2013 13: 58 New
              +5
              Quote: bddrus
              Well, if you have time to sit on the Internet, you can see few documents in the work.


              So, while I was sitting on the forum, I managed to unsubscribe the 6 reports to the General Directorate at the same time and go on the porch two times to smoke! Oh, how we work in the Emergency Ministry famously. For the remaining two hours of working time, the remaining two requests will work.
          2. Sirop
            Sirop 7 November 2013 14: 02 New
            0
            So you have to work, and not surf the Internet))))
    2. Nayhas
      Nayhas 7 November 2013 10: 02 New
      +5
      Quote: LaGlobal
      I, as a person who, unfortunately, was not able to repay a debt to my homeland,

      Shoigu too, a cardboard general, he also "failed" ...
      1. klimpopov
        klimpopov 7 November 2013 12: 22 New
        +6
        He was a jacket, he was a jacket and stayed and let him sculpt at least how many stars for his epaulettes. I wonder how much paper will need to be issued at launch in response to ballistic missile launches from the territory of a likely enemy?)))
        Ahah - have time?))) Not so, then of course God.
  5. Ivan79
    Ivan79 7 November 2013 09: 27 New
    -2
    The Chinese need to urgently order copies of Shoigu, the more the better. And in return for all the ministers. smile But seriously - well done man!
    1. Salavatsky Ministry of Emergency Situations
      Salavatsky Ministry of Emergency Situations 7 November 2013 15: 30 New
      +4
      Quote: Ivan79
      We urgently need to order a copy of Shoigu to the Chinese

      OH, DO NOT, these copies will then accumulate so many copies of "effective" management systems
  6. Klin klinovv
    Klin klinovv 7 November 2013 09: 38 New
    +6
    opening a small production, there were problems with firefighters. to solve them well 1000% is unrealistic. I had to bend and pay an annual tribute through their intermediary. even in this scenario you have to sign a bunch of papers (you pay for each separately). what you need to do to make fire-safe information confidential, scattered across the Talmuts of various laws.
    So, it’s not clear why the merit is Shoigu to the people, in which he proved to be “effective” in the Ministry of Emergencies with such funding, except for using money for SUCH TIME. It’s better not to go deeper into the internal state (equipment, people).
    1. Anatole Klim
      Anatole Klim 7 November 2013 10: 24 New
      +6
      Quote: Klin Klinovv
      problems with firefighters

      There is Gospozhnadzor, and there are FIRE-heroic guys, risking their lives, fighting fire. By the way, the fire service was taken from the Ministry of Internal Affairs, and there were no combat units at all in the Ministry of Emergencies.
  7. major071
    major071 7 November 2013 10: 00 New
    +4
    It’s just that Shoigu is in his place and is doing well the work entrusted to him, which against the background of the work of the others gives a huge positive.
    1. Wal
      Wal 7 November 2013 11: 12 New
      +4
      Shoigu is out of place. But the assigned work does well. Only it is necessary to work not on positive but on the result.
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  8. Nayhas
    Nayhas 7 November 2013 10: 13 New
    14
    Shoigu is a populist, so everyone who expects "feats" from him, except for the bright pictures behind which hopelessness is hidden, will see nothing more.
  9. Dangerous
    Dangerous 7 November 2013 11: 08 New
    +5
    Shoigu is the most experienced and scorched politician in Russia. And he was appointed to the post of Minister of Defense precisely as a politician, and not as a military man. And in connection with his large-scale figure, everyone certainly wants to accomplish some grandiose plans. But Shoigu is not a magician - this is firstly and he belongs to Putin’s team, just like Serdyukov - this is secondly ...
  10. Mareman Vasilich
    Mareman Vasilich 7 November 2013 11: 12 New
    +9
    Brothers, nothing personal. But in pink glasses you do not need to look at him. What can one expect from a senior lieutenant? How can he have strategic thinking if his knowledge does not exceed a military school, experience zero. In this situation, he is an ordinary statistician who just goes with the flow. Except him IS! generals are more worthy and knowledgeable of military cuisine. There is only one problem, these generals have no friends like V.V. Putin. You should not wait for Shoigu to improve in the Moscow Region.
    1. Nayhas
      Nayhas 7 November 2013 11: 46 New
      +2
      Quote: Mareman Vasilich
      Where can he have strategic thinking from, if his knowledge does not exceed a military school, experience zero.

      And what military school did he graduate from?
      1. Salavatsky Ministry of Emergency Situations
        Salavatsky Ministry of Emergency Situations 7 November 2013 11: 54 New
        +7
        None of them finished, master of the trust "Promkhimstroy", Krasnoyarsk, he did not serve at all
      2. baltika-18
        baltika-18 7 November 2013 12: 06 New
        13
        Quote: Nayhas
        And what military school did he graduate from?

        Shoigu did not finish school, he had a military department at the Krasnoyarsk Polytechnic University. He did not serve an emergency. He didn’t serve urgent. Papa is the secretary of the Tuva regional party committee, they don’t take such people into the army. Yes, Shoigu himself was good at the party line. In 1988, he was the second secretary of the Abakan city party committee. He is cunning and sneaky, keeps his nose strictly in the wind, knows what the owner needs.
    2. Anatole Klim
      Anatole Klim 7 November 2013 11: 53 New
      +2
      Quote: Mareman Vasilich
      his knowledge does not exceed a military school

      Mareman Vasilich! read the biography of Shoigu and the history of the creation of the Ministry of Emergencies (so that there are no blunders), and so "+"
    3. Tommygun
      Tommygun 7 November 2013 14: 56 New
      +2
      1. Recently on the site there was an article about Ustinov, in which it was said that it was under him that the General Staff was engaged in the training of troops, and the Defense Ministry was engaged in farming. I think this is right. In this case, the minister may not be a military man (probably even good).
      2. When already in our country everything will not depend on the will of individual navels of the earth? Change of a minister is an ordinary procedure, which should not change practically anything in a well-established structure. And we have? He changed a little in a year! We need to turn everything around! And he already got into everything. tomorrow they’ll put another one - again everything is upside down. I think there will be nothing to break by the fourth shift!
  11. pahom54
    pahom54 7 November 2013 11: 16 New
    -6
    The author of the article is a plus, but I would like to add that Shoigu’s effectiveness as Minister of Defense is manifested not only in comparison with Serdyukov, BUT AND MANY OTHER PREDATORS ...
    1. volkodav
      volkodav 7 November 2013 12: 03 New
      +5
      specific examples?
      1. klimpopov
        klimpopov 7 November 2013 12: 36 New
        +4
        No.
        Ahaha))) By the way, has he already decided with asterisks and emblems or is the air shaking again?
      2. pahom54
        pahom54 7 November 2013 14: 08 New
        +3
        for Volkodav:
        Under Yazov, the collapse of the army began, everyone who could spit in it, I remember those times when I had to go to and from service in a civilian to avoid trouble. I personally experienced this in my own skin and here you will not convince me.
        I don’t remember who was there after - Rodionov, Sergeyev - they didn’t shine especially, but there was no reason to blame them.
        A smiling air marshal Shaposhnikov ... Well, he smiled from the TV screens ...
        I don’t want to talk about Pasha Mercedes at all.
        Ivanov ... well, do not scold, but there is nothing to praise too much, however, then the situation was extremely difficult not only for the army - for the whole country. In general - he can even put a plus, although not military.
        Well, I won’t continue further ...
        I don’t understand why there are some disadvantages for me, just because someone likes Grachev or Sergeyev (by the way, under the command of the latter, I also served in the Vinnytsia missile army of the Strategic Missile Forces).
        So where did I go wrong, or worse, isolate myself?
        1. fon_Stierlitz
          fon_Stierlitz 7 November 2013 22: 03 New
          +4
          Cons because the effectiveness of Shoigu is zero, in contrast to the results of his PR campaign. At the very least, Ivanov tried to solve financial problems, measures to raise the prestige of military service and, in general, reorganization were carried out under Serdyukov. Why, then, praise Shoigu and what special did he do? For the next dressing up of the army in the green version of the Ministry of Emergencies-ov form? For an unnecessary competition for changing the emblem for the army? You can say thirty times that Serdyuk is a thief, a radish and generally a civilian, but now Shoigu sits largely on his endeavors. It’s just that Serdyukov did not accompany the signing of each order with a news report, hence the appearance that Shoigu-de was doing nothing.
  12. Dwarfik
    Dwarfik 7 November 2013 11: 44 New
    0
    Kind! Provocative article! And who said that the Minister of Defense should know everyone and everything? At least there are generals to work "in the fields"! No need to confuse things for which he was appointed to the post of defense minister! Let the generals know the tactics and strategy, and let him raise the army from its knees in terms of supplying training and support! Although, on my own behalf, the Minister of Defense should be a combat general! And for comparison, I will add: Rejoicing in the neighboring topics about the supply of equipment to the troops, who do you think set it up? former? I remember how it was then - everything did not fit and everything did not suit - the lynxes and mistrals are only good! And now? And now the technique has gone and gone well! Including the current merit!
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 7 November 2013 12: 01 New
      +3
      And what has Shoigu "adjusted" in terms of supplying equipment to the troops?
      1. Salavatsky Ministry of Emergency Situations
        Salavatsky Ministry of Emergency Situations 7 November 2013 12: 11 New
        +7
        Probably, kickbacks adjusted
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 7 November 2013 12: 23 New
          +1
          Everything has been established there for a long time. But here is his decision on mobile hospitals, when he decided to work with manufacturers, with whom he still worked as the head of the Ministry of Emergencies, it annoys me.
      2. Russ69
        Russ69 7 November 2013 13: 32 New
        -1
        Quote: Spade
        And what has Shoigu "adjusted" in terms of supplying equipment to the troops?

        And what? Nothing arrives to the troops .... Every week reports: something arrived, it arrived. Oh, it's all by itself, but rather in spite of ... smile
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 7 November 2013 13: 36 New
          +6
          The vast majority of contracts were signed under the dear Serdyukov. They are executed.

          What did Shoigu do?
          1. pahom54
            pahom54 7 November 2013 14: 43 New
            +1
            For Lopatov
            I am not a fanatic and fan of Shoigu, however, I’ll intercede for him against Serdyuk’s background.
            Yes, the equipment is now entering the troops, the contracts for which were concluded with PRI Serdyukov, but most likely, AGAINST him. The explanation is simple: the little war with Georgia in 2008 (or forcing the enemy into peace) showed something that FORCED THE LEADERSHIP (and not the Ministry of Defense) to conclude these contracts and seek their execution.
            Exactly the same way, the performance of such contracts concluded under Shoigu, we will see somewhere with the new Minister of Defense ... Although tired of this mess.
            Again, I will say what they used to blame me for: in the sense of rearmament of the army, there was no better defense minister than Ustinov! And here is for comparison: both this and this one are actually civilians (the fact that Marshal Ustinov has been riveted for six months does not mean that he is a military man. We have many designers, scientists, and doctors who have and have general uniforms, but in fact, etol is not a cadre of military people).
            In favor of Shoigu, I can say one thing: never in all his political activities at various posts (for those who did not understand, explain - politics is government) did not see or even hear any hints about his fraud, or the fraud of one of his environment - this time.
            The second - he is an energetic man, and the right word, gives the impression of a patriot of Russia, and not a slave of economics, who erupted into power behind money and laurels.
            I think these two factors are enough to at least not pour buckets of slops onto a man.
            1. Salavatsky Ministry of Emergency Situations
              Salavatsky Ministry of Emergency Situations 7 November 2013 15: 34 New
              +4
              Quote: pahom54
              I have not heard even hints about his machinations, or the machinations of someone from his environment - this is the time

              Very heard, but not brought to court
            2. volkodav
              volkodav 7 November 2013 15: 38 New
              +5
              it’s just making an impression, and nothing more. and the troops, as they were cutting back at the Stakhanov pace, are continuing, today they called from the military registration and enlistment office and said that the unit to which they had entered the service was disbanded yesterday, and here’s your shoigu.
        2. Salavatsky Ministry of Emergency Situations
          Salavatsky Ministry of Emergency Situations 7 November 2013 14: 33 New
          +4
          Quote: Russ69
          And what? Nothing arrives to the troops .... Every week reports: something arrived, it arrived. Oh, it's all by itself, but rather in spite of ...


          Let him do it, he acts, he does a lot, 1 Mistral, which was founded during the Taburetka, the submarines of the times of Ivanov, and maybe of a more early time, began the orders paid, with the same Taburetkin and Ivanov. That's alles.

          Shoigu came in November 2012 of the year, and so, if you take SU aircraft:
          From 2007 to 2012, the year around 50 Su-27 was upgraded to Su-27CM (it turns out, until Shoigu arrived).
          2009 Su-12CM27 and 3 Su-4М30 (delivered to 2) and 2012 Su-48C are ordered in 35.
          At the beginning of 2012 (again before joining Shoigu), contracts for 60 Su-30CM were also signed.
          10 Su-35С as of the beginning of 2013 of the year delivered to the troops (with Shoigu)
    2. bddrus
      bddrus 7 November 2013 12: 24 New
      +4
      those. was the new equipment standing in pairs or gathering dust in warehouses, but did Shaigu waved his hand and sailed the ships, flew planes and drove tanks? those. Is this not the technique that was laid down under Serdyukov and is now being handed over to the army? By the way, Mistral is already on the water
      1. klimpopov
        klimpopov 7 November 2013 12: 38 New
        +3
        By the way, Mistral is already on the water

        Well, yes, it’s swimming.
        Although I applaud the French for the time standing up!
  13. bddrus
    bddrus 7 November 2013 12: 28 New
    +1
    So far, only showing off from Shoigu, but it’s too early to talk about the results - we’ll wait for the next presidential election - there they will begin to demonstrate the results
  14. Known who
    Known who 7 November 2013 12: 29 New
    +1
    It is a pity that many promising, thinking, competent officers left the army during the period of Serdyukovism. The army will not soon recover from the blows of the former minister.
    The Russian and Soviet army no one struck blows of disease than the government of their own country.
  15. Dwarfik
    Dwarfik 7 November 2013 12: 39 New
    -4
    Quote: Spade
    And what has Shoigu "adjusted" in terms of supplying equipment to the troops?

    If we put aside the humor about tank biathlon, he established the execution of contracts, which were stalled for "incomprehensible" financial reasons due to the eternal disputes between industry and the military, and as they said above, planes flew and ships went on the water, albeit small for now. In a word, what was destroyed and "reformed" for five years cannot be collected in a year. And no matter what stones they throw into its past - the Ministry of Emergencies, in my opinion, is the only department that flies, rescues and helps with deeds, not pieces of paper! You may not agree with me, but this is my opinion. God forbid, and the army will start flying, shooting and completing tasks! We will see.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 7 November 2013 13: 39 New
      +7
      That is, if earlier the Ministry of Defense butted the military-industrial complex for quality, for lowering prices, now it has stopped. He takes what they give and meekly pays.
      I don’t know about you, but I consider this a step back.
    2. Salavatsky Ministry of Emergency Situations
      Salavatsky Ministry of Emergency Situations 8 November 2013 07: 09 New
      +4
      Quote: Dwarfik
      The Ministry of Emergency Situations, in my opinion, is the only agency that flies, saves and helps by deeds, not paperwork.


      Yes, the Ministry of Emergency Situations flies, saves and helps, but mostly fights with pieces of paper, pieces of paper, pieces of paper, pieces of paper, pieces of paper, pieces of paper, pieces of paper, pieces of paper, pieces of paper, pieces of paper, pieces of paper, pieces of paper, pieces of paper, pieces of paper ...
    3. bddrus
      bddrus 9 November 2013 09: 14 New
      +2
      in the Ministry of Emergencies didn’t steal or were they just untouchable? do not hear corruption scandals - I am inclined to the second
  16. Wolf 1
    Wolf 1 7 November 2013 12: 55 New
    +2
    Quote: klimpopov
    and the task force from the fire brigade to deploy a video selector from the emergency.

    That is, precious time is wasted again. But the selector - is this a reality show for them? Well, I don’t understand the point, in the first minutes you need to REMOVE the consequences of the emergency and not send MMSki. By the way, if there is no connection? Yes, and MMS goes on for a long time. And what about the Nokia phone for 1000? Or are there service smarts?

    And if there is no connection, or the phone is black and white, then still no one cares and that’s the point.
    1. Salavatsky Ministry of Emergency Situations
      Salavatsky Ministry of Emergency Situations 7 November 2013 13: 11 New
      +2
      Exactly. As you wish, but it should be, and that's it
  17. kafa
    kafa 7 November 2013 13: 21 New
    +1
    Quote: Anatol Klim
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9bVxyc-iVY

    GPN and stews are different guys, although there is only one cantor. GPNshchik burnt out on a bribe the prose of life extinguished a state of emergency burnt on a fire
    1. Anatole Klim
      Anatole Klim 7 November 2013 14: 11 New
      0
      Quote: kafa
      GPNshchik burnt out on a bribe the prose of life extinguished a state of emergency burnt on a fire

      You can't say more precisely! "+".
  18. Russ69
    Russ69 7 November 2013 13: 29 New
    0
    You read the comments, it's not like that (the recent article was remembered ... smile )
    And where the GDP looks, I would go to the forum, that's where the talents for the Moscow Region are located. Give free rein and in a month the army will be made the most efficient in the world ... smile
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 7 November 2013 13: 33 New
      +4
      Quote: Russ69
      And where the GDP looks, I would go to the forum

      Do you think he doesn’t know? He put Shoigu to this position for that, painting the grass. To depict violent activity in its complete absence in reality.
  19. godun
    godun 7 November 2013 13: 56 New
    +4
    Do not forget that Shoigu is from the same clip as Serdyukov, but in this clip, honor, conscience, professionalism, abstract concepts. Although the opinion of the people about Shoigu is more good than bad, but as they say, "I was not noticed in drunkenness, but in the morning I sighed heavily and drank water ...".
    1. Wolf 1
      Wolf 1 7 November 2013 18: 24 New
      +2
      I have long suspected that a good attitude towards Shoigu among the people is due to:
      - periodic flickering Kozhugetovich on TV as a superhero, rescuer, etc .;
      - "folk" (that is, in a muzhik rude) language, the use of which is apparently caused by ignorance of the literary;
      - Well, ignorance of the real situation in the same Ministry of Emergencies.
  20. Boot under the carpet
    Boot under the carpet 7 November 2013 14: 05 New
    +4
    In my opinion, the Minister of Defense should be a person to whom "armor dripped by the collar", who wrote letters home "on the back of a murdered comrade", who saw with his own eyes the pros and cons of the army in hostilities. In a word, the Ministry of Defense should be a person who has been in real combat conditions and who has been holding a post no less than a division commander for a significantly long time.
  21. Drosselmeyer
    Drosselmeyer 7 November 2013 15: 17 New
    +5
    Populist. Before him, the Ministry of Emergencies worked only to popularize his figure, and then according to his profile. Who now immediately remembers the name of the main Ministry of Emergencies? I have never understood conference calls if their point is that the bosses would broadcast live subordinates by male genital organs.
  22. Shesternyack
    Shesternyack 7 November 2013 15: 31 New
    -6
    You can talk a lot about the current Minister of Defense, he is not a saint, but in a good way, if I had seen his candidacy in the presidential elections, I would have voted for Shoigu.
  23. volkodav
    volkodav 7 November 2013 15: 45 New
    +5
    all this euphoria around Shoigu resembles the writing of a ferry from the figure of General Lebed in 1996, before the election, but in fact he turned out to be a turd in his uniform
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 7 November 2013 17: 28 New
      +2
      That's right. They voted for it ... fell-wrung out. And he worked as a stand for Yeltsin to climb the throne.
  24. DZ_98_B
    DZ_98_B 7 November 2013 16: 34 New
    +7
    Have you heard about the destruction of the Russian population in Tuva? With dad Shoigi, first secretary of the Central Committee of the CPSU! Do you want such a president? In Tuva, in 89, the destruction of the Russians began. Do you remember in Chechnya? And who is the head of Chechnya now? Do you want yourself such owners ??????????? Oh yes, they are the heroes of RUSSIA !!!!!!!! they are for Putin !!!!
  25. 12061973
    12061973 7 November 2013 18: 42 New
    0
    something remembered the General Ministry of Emergency Situations, the leader of the goneev’s gang, a werewolf in uniform went from him.
  26. sincman
    sincman 7 November 2013 19: 30 New
    +2
    All would be well if Shoigu was not a Freemason of the Order of Malta.
    Here is what A. Fursov says about this:

    I think when Hitler was pumped up with weapons to fight Stalin with the USSR, Hitler had the same "effective" Minister of Defense, who was much more effective than the previous Defense Ministry ... when Germany was disarmed after the First World War ... Following this logic, I think in in our case, the global goal is to contain China. I really wanted me to be wrong ...

    ps After the last visit of Henry Kisinger to Moscow, just a few days later, there was talk of appointing Shoigu as first deputy prime minister ... Perhaps the same coincidence ...
    1. sincman
      sincman 7 November 2013 19: 41 New
      +1
      So you see, after the next visit of Kisinger, the president will be close ... Moreover, there are already comrades who are ready to gladly cast their votes for Kozhugetovich.
  27. dmb
    dmb 7 November 2013 20: 23 New
    +2
    Still, some of our fellow citizens are funny because of their naivety: "Putin is better than Yeltsin, Shoigu is better than Serdyukov." Of course better. And they are all better than Hitler. The question is, is it better for whom? "Communist and Chekist" Putin is fighting against the interests of the capitalists for the interests of the people? Party worker Shoigu actively supports the criminal who ordered the execution of the legitimate government in 1993, Whose interests is he going to defend, the people or the oligarchs, to whom, in particular, his wife belongs? Once betrayed, well, who will believe you. Only those naive citizens of whom I spoke at the beginning.
  28. Savva30
    Savva30 7 November 2013 20: 52 New
    +1
    To be honest, I don’t trust anyone from our government ... they did everything for this.
  29. Prapor-527
    Prapor-527 7 November 2013 20: 53 New
    0
    Quote: Spade
    Even the fact that Shoigu was stung by the Civil Defense and Emergencies of the USSR to the size of the Ministry of Emergencies did not forget?
    They were destroyed long before Shoigu ... Although he is not a "shaman" either ...
  30. freedom2013
    freedom2013 7 November 2013 21: 31 New
    +2
    It so happened to me that my ex-wife, son (fire department), daughter (graduating from the academy in 2014) and many former classmates and colleagues are associated with the Ministry of Emergencies. Believe me, there are so many bribes there. And at the expense of Kozhugetovich (I will not repeat the previous comrades, and there everything is true), remember how the Ministry of Emergencies was created, the dough of EBN gave him how much he would ask. So in the 90s, when the Air Force didn’t buy anything, the Ministry of Emergency Situations acquires four Be-200s (though two of them are leased) for rabid grandmas (kickbacks understand). And now he came to the Moscow Region when the GDP from the budget is melting as much as necessary, but he would try, as they said in the SA, to make candy out of shit. I’m sure that he would succeed.
  31. freedom2013
    freedom2013 7 November 2013 21: 33 New
    +2
    So one word was removed at the end. In a word, nothing would have happened to him. negative
  32. corn
    corn 7 November 2013 21: 48 New
    0
    [quote = It is known who] It is a pity that many promising, thinking, competent officers left the army during the period of Serdyukovism.

    Such officers began to leave the army in the nineties, and middle-level officers left: captains, majors, lieutenant colonels, and a vacuum formed, the tradition of transferring experience was broken.
  33. corn
    corn 7 November 2013 21: 55 New
    +2
    From the Ministry of Emergencies I heard, at one time, the decoding of the Ministry of Emergencies - the ministry of a nutty sery.
    1. Salavatsky Ministry of Emergency Situations
      Salavatsky Ministry of Emergency Situations 8 November 2013 07: 13 New
      +2
      Quote: corn
      ministry of crazy gray


      And the Ministry of Wonderful Tales
  34. Stinger
    Stinger 7 November 2013 22: 39 New
    0
    It’s hard to assess. It’s rather a plus minus. So far, everything has frozen in dynamics.
  35. basmach
    basmach 8 November 2013 04: 54 New
    +2
    The Moor has done his job - the Moor can leave (this is about Serdyukov). The problem is not a good or bad secretary of defense. They are just executors and fulfill the will and order of their superiors. For what Serdyukov did with the army at any time and in any state, his head would be literally taken off him. And all Shoigu's actions are IBD (imitation of violent activity). Yes, they staged a show-off and conducted "large-scale" exercises (about 81 thousand l / s participated in the exercises Zapad-100, over 6 thousand armored vehicles, 6 thousand artillery, 160 rocket launchers and more than 400 airplanes and helicopters, compare), brought soldiers from all over the country, scraped up some equipment (in aviation - a little more air division) and set up a demonstration circus. It's better to play toys on a computer). Shoigu is just a man of the system and will do what is ordered. And the order to finish off the Russian Army has not yet been canceled. Well, I, a career officer, cannot understand how it is possible to strengthen and strengthen the army by reduction. Let's leave the generals alone, and from their many stars, they will find them dumbfounded, so what? Yes, it's just that our "guarantors" of the constitution and the keepers of democracy have long sold their honor as an officer and changed the oath, and all they need is special forces (draw your own conclusions) to protect themselves from the people, but not a strong army
  36. basmach
    basmach 8 November 2013 04: 54 New
    +1
    The Moor has done his job - the Moor can leave (this is about Serdyukov). The problem is not a good or bad secretary of defense. They are just executors and fulfill the will and order of their superiors. For what Serdyukov did with the army at any time and in any state, his head would be literally taken off him. And all Shoigu's actions are IBD (imitation of violent activity). Yes, they staged a show-off and conducted "large-scale" exercises (about 81 thousand l / s took part in the exercises Zapad-100, over 6 thousand armored vehicles, 6 thousand artillery, 160 rocket launchers and more than 400 airplanes and helicopters, compare), brought soldiers from all over the country, scraped up some equipment (in aviation, a little more than the air division) and set up a show circus. It's better to play toys on your computer). Shoigu is just a man of the system and will do what is ordered. And the order to finish off the Russian Army has not yet been canceled. Well, I, a career officer, cannot understand how it is possible to strengthen and strengthen the army by reduction. Let's leave the generals alone, and from their many stars, they will find them dumbfounded, so what? Yes, it's just that our "guarantors" of the constitution and the keepers of democracy have long sold their honor as an officer and changed the oath, and all they need is special forces (draw your own conclusions) to protect themselves from the people, but not a strong army
  37. Frenzzze
    Frenzzze 8 November 2013 19: 27 New
    -2
    Such people as he would be bigger ...! God bless him!
  38. Roman Polanski
    Roman Polanski 21 November 2013 19: 55 New
    0
    Wait and see, it’s kind of not bad, but as they say ******* yes deaf) I apologize! Time will tell)