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How can Ukraine change after the Chinese settle 3 million land leased from it?

China signed a contract with Ukraine for the lease of three million hectares (that is, 30 thousand sq. Km, which is approximately equal to the area of ​​Belgium or Armenia) of agricultural land for $ 3 billion. The contract is valid for 99 years with the right for any party to terminate it. but not before the expiration of the first 50 years. For the extension of the contract through 50 for years, Ukraine will receive another $ 3 billion.

This information, however, was quickly disproved by the Ukrainian side, the agroholding KSG Agro. Say it is not about selling land (this, however, no one said) and not about renting, but only about “joint activities”. However, this formulation is very vague. But a very interesting phrase on this issue was said by the Minister of Agriculture of Ukraine Mykola Prysyazhnyuk: “We are interested in any investments from any country.” Another fact is that in 2012, Kiev and Beijing created a Chinese-Ukrainian investment fund, which intends to accumulate $ 6 billion for investments in Ukrainian agriculture. And only this year it was supposed to invest $ 600 million. Thus, there is every reason to discuss the transaction seriously. So, as if she is already really enclosed. Moreover, even if this has not yet formally happened, it is very likely that what will happen, as will be shown below.

Three million hectares is 5% of the total area of ​​Ukraine, or 9% of its arable land.

There is unofficial information that China is not going to stop at this and plans to rent more from 9 to 17 millions of hectares of land. Leased territories will receive the status of extraterritoriality, that is, they will be under the jurisdiction of the PRC, not Ukraine. This means that, in fact, 5% of the territory of Ukraine will not belong to it. Now we are talking about the Dnipropetrovsk region, where the Chinese plan to engage in agriculture and raise pigs. But in the future this production is planned to extend to other areas of the country, first of all - Kherson and Crimea.

Earlier, China has already signed contracts for the lease of agricultural land in Brazil, Argentina and several African countries. But nowhere was it extraterritoriality, and the total area of ​​all leased land in Africa and Latin America was 2 million hectares, that is, less than in Ukraine alone.

The land is Ukrainian pride and its most important resource. Due to its fertile soils, Ukraine ranks sixth in the world in food grain production (Russia is the third largest in the world, behind the United States and Canada). Ukrainian politicians had big ambitions when they talked about the food crisis in the world, about how Ukraine will save humanity from hunger, of course, having earned good money from it.

Between Moscow and Brussels Kiev chooses Beijing. Ukraine needs money, and China in this regard is the best ally, he is indifferent to the socio-economic situation in the country and especially its political system.

Ukraine and China have been cooperating for a long time and in many areas. This highlights the military sphere.

Kiev for Beijing in many ways is a more profitable partner in the field of military-technical cooperation than Moscow. Russia sees in China at least a competitor in the arms market. As a maximum, very many Russians (including representatives of the authorities) understand how strong this country poses a threat. Therefore, the sale of new weapons and technology to China from Russia is seriously limited. Ukraine has no restrictions in principle, while there weapon and technology is much cheaper than in Russia. The only negative for China is the lack of access to the latest Russian technologies (Ukraine itself is now obviously not capable of creating their analogues).
China purchased systems produced only in Ukraine: for example, in 2002, the Kolchuga station of passive radio intelligence was acquired. The deal with the sale of the world's largest air-cushion vehicles (XW) of 12322 Zubr from Ukraine to China is still at the stage of implementation. These ships are produced both in Russia and in Ukraine. At first, China conducted negotiations on them with Russia, but that set the condition for the purchase of at least 10 — 15 KVP. Ukraine, on the other hand, agreed to sell only four ships and hand over to China all the technical documentation for them, and without the consent of the Russian side.

Exceptionally large role of Ukraine in the creation of the Chinese aircraft carrier fleet. His first ship was the Liaoning aircraft carrier - the former Varyag aircraft carrier. The J-15 deck fighter for him was created on the basis of the T-10K aircraft. Both Varyag and T-10K were acquired by China in Ukraine (Varyag was received, in fact, for nothing, for $ 28 million at standard prices of several billion dollars). The completion and re-equipment of Liaoning took place with the participation of Ukrainian engineers. Also, with the help of Ukraine, a Chinese deck training center was created. aviation on the island of Huludao, very reminiscent of a similar NITKA complex in the Crimea (it was used to train Russian ship pilots from the Admiral Kuznetsov aircraft carrier, the same type as the Varyag, until this year Russia abandoned it, building its own in Taganrog).

Cruise missiles, created on the basis of X-55 purchased in Ukraine, became the progenitors of a whole family of long-range sea, air and land-based missiles. Ukrainian gas turbine engines are installed on the newest Chinese destroyers. China has been sold the technology of producing ion-plasma engines for spacecraft and the technology of servicing AL-31F engines for Su-27 and Su-30 fighters.

With all the success of this cooperation, it is gradually drying up precisely because the Soviet technologies that Ukraine had, China drew to the bottom, and the new country is no longer able to create.

Since there is nothing to sell to Kiev, but more money is needed, such an outstanding land deal arose. The deal becomes outstanding twice and uniquely unique if you look at which organization leases land from the Chinese side (and in this case, the Ukrainian side does not deny who its Chinese counterparty is).

In Africa and Latin America, land is leased by Chinese agricultural holdings, whose only occupation is agriculture. But the owner of 5% of the territory of Ukraine will be the Xinjiang Production and Construction Corps (SPSK) - a special structure of the PLA (People’s Liberation Army of China), that is, the Chinese armed forces. There are no analogues of the SPSK, which is a kind of synthesis of a construction battalion and internal troops, in today's world. AT stories a kind of its analogue can be considered, apparently, the military settlements of Arakcheev in Russia.

In 1950-s in China, such corps was created in all marginal national regions that were unreliable in terms of loyalty to Beijing. These corps, firstly, supplemented the army when they occupied occupational functions in these regions, and secondly, were engaged in construction and agriculture in the interests of the central government. The corps built both military and civilian facilities, providing themselves with food, regular parts of the PLA and the population of these regions.
Gradually, all these structures were disbanded, only Xinjiang is now preserved. All functions of the case remain the same. It complements the PLA Lanzhou Military District and the People’s Armed Police (Chinese Internal Troops) while performing occupation functions in the Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region (XUAR) and is engaged in construction and agriculture. SPSK fighters undergo only infantry training, but they no longer need them, for their purpose is to suppress internal actions, not war with an external opponent. It is quite indicative that in the composition of the SPSC, the Han Chinese (the main ethnic group of China, that is, “the Chinese themselves”) constitute 88%, and the Uighurs - less than 7%, while in the XUAR population of the Han Chinese about 45%, Uighurs - 48%. The total number of SPSK - 2,2 million people, that is about the same as in the regular PLA. SPSC provides more than 10% of XUAR's GDP, and three quarters of its production falls on agriculture.

As it is known, the most acute problems of modern China are the lack of agricultural land, unemployment and the “shortage of brides”, that is, a significant excess of the male population over the female in the younger age groups. Rent 5% of Ukraine will contribute to solving these problems. Naturally, only Chinese (young men, SPSK fighters) will work on the leased land, their number will obviously be in the hundreds of thousands (maybe, in time, it will reach millions). At a minimum, they feed themselves and contribute to reducing the number of unemployed in China (in their place, SSCC will recruit new people).

At the same time, there are serious doubts that agricultural products will go from Ukraine to China: this is far, therefore the benefit is doubtful. It is much more likely that it will be implemented in Ukraine itself and, possibly, in neighboring countries. In Ukraine itself, there will definitely be no problems with sales, especially since prices for Chinese products will obviously be very low. This can weaken the internal social tension in Ukraine, although it will lead to the rapid ruin of its own agriculture and its complete replacement by Chinese. In this regard, the rental space may well be significantly expanded (as mentioned in the beginning of the article, the Chinese are thinking about it now).

In addition, various light industry enterprises may gradually appear on these areas, which will provide the Ukrainian population with very cheap consumer goods as well (Chinese workers from the same SPSK will also work at these enterprises, of course). Since the Ukrainian lands will actually belong to the PLA, military facilities will also arise on them. Of course it will not tank divisions and not air regiments, but aerodromes capable of accepting all types of aircraft. Electronic intelligence centers will appear here, listening to the whole of Europe and Russia, at least to the Urals.

Non-drinking, disciplined, hardworking Chinese guys will quickly attract the attention of Ukrainian marches. This will help to partially solve the problem of the shortage of brides for the Chinese and will start to very quickly influence the demographic situation in Ukraine itself. Moreover, the Chinese system of “one family - one child” will definitely not apply to Ukrainian-Chinese families.

If in Ukraine there is dissatisfaction with what is happening, the SPSK soldiers will be able to recall their infantry training. But this, admittedly, is extremely unlikely. Almost certainly, everything will go peacefully, given the complete apathy and demoralization of the Ukrainian population, which are only aggravated because of complete disappointment in all political forces. This will help the Party of Regions to simply buy Chinese money electorate before each regular election. And each time this purchase will be cheaper.

By the 2063 year (not to mention 2112), no one would even think about any termination of the lease.

Ukraine will become a completely different country, although under the same blot-blot prapor (Chinese do not care about this kind of toy, they need real control, not a formal change of flag).

Of course, Russia and Europe will be extremely dissatisfied with what is happening, but this will be their problems. Beijing will be the guarantor of the preservation of the regime in Kiev - first the current president, and then his heirs. Accordingly, the opinion of Moscow and Brussels will lose value for Kiev. And that is why the likelihood of the deal in question is so high.

Confirmation that the current president of Ukraine is afraid of Russia is much more than of Europe, is the fact that China is given land to the east of the Dnieper. That is, the "Chinese barrier" is placed precisely against Russia.
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  1. kafa
    kafa 7 November 2013 07: 28
    25
    Khan nezalezhnoy belay
    1. mirag2
      mirag2 7 November 2013 07: 39
      -4
      No, no khan.
      It's just that world business has laid its hands on the wealth of Ukraine for some time, until the people there come to their senses (and this will depend on the degree of "hedgehog" of the mittens in which they will be kept).
      And the Chinese, it’s unlikely that they’ll go there a lot, so some representatives, managers (and hardly even) about the land, the Chinese just need food, like there are a lot of India’s population, and food safety is a key feature in the stability of these countries.
      1. 10kAzAk01
        10kAzAk01 7 November 2013 07: 48
        15
        No, no khan.
        It's just that world business has laid its hands on the wealth of Ukraine for some time, until the people there come to their senses (and this will depend on the degree of "hedgehog" of the mittens in which they will be kept).
        And the Chinese, it’s unlikely that they’ll go there a lot, so some representatives, managers (and hardly even) about the land, the Chinese just need food, like there are a lot of India’s population, and food safety is a key feature in the stability of these countries.

        What are you talking about! look carefully at the Far East! Turn the distance will not stop them!
        1. Nicholas C.
          Nicholas C. 7 November 2013 08: 01
          12
          To grab a penny from the Eurogays, from the Chinese ... and tick. Dream Svidomo. Only not all come true.
          1. tronin.maxim
            tronin.maxim 7 November 2013 08: 22
            11
            Mdaaa, here Ukraine has come! I don’t even want to imagine further. recourse
            1. Nicholas C.
              Nicholas C. 7 November 2013 08: 31
              +7
              30 thousand square meters km, which is approximately equal to the area of ​​Belgium or Armenia) agricultural land for $ 3 billion. The contract is valid for 99 years

              The amount is ridiculously small. But this is official. To officially carry out and pay taxes - not according to the gangster-Ukrainian concepts. So really, China paid more. I can imagine how all involved were enriched there.
              1. avt
                avt 7 November 2013 09: 49
                +2
                Quote: Nikolai S.
                The amount is ridiculously small.

                Well, it depends on whom, for the country - yes, but for the seller - it’s completely nothing. Convert Svidomo protoukry country with all the giblets and the people in addition to permanent residence in Canada, the United States of America-to moan about the evil and Mperts that ruined Nenko.
            2. smersh70
              smersh70 7 November 2013 10: 04
              -10 qualifying.
              Quote: tronin.maxim
              Mdaaa, here Ukraine has come!

              and what's so ... well, they have given a certain amount of land ... they will do business ... as if Russia has no problems with the Chinese in the Far East ... they have taken over more lands ... smile probably there was no more normal article against Yanukovych ... they wrote this ... wassat interesting, and if Yanukovych signs an agreement on the CU, the Chinese will be good and friendly ... and their deeds will go to the good of Ukraine and the CU .... laughing
            3. Tersky
              Tersky 7 November 2013 11: 19
              +2
              Quote: tronin.maxim
              Mdaaa, here Ukraine has come! I don’t even want to imagine further.

              The author of the article is a well-known fighter against the "Chinese threat" ... he has a lot of similar opuses, here is one of them"War! The Chinese man is triumphant ..."Also, this author, expert and political scientist predicted that Georgia would not attack South Ossetia in any way, alas, the forecast turned out to be exactly the opposite. There is of course grain in the article, but it’s not worth it to sculpt from an elephant’s fly.
      2. domokl
        domokl 7 November 2013 08: 43
        10
        Quote: mirag2
        And the Chinese, it’s unlikely that a lot of them will come there-

        Chinese villages began to appear in our region .... Hardworking people ... But after 3-4 years on the earth, after their management, even the grass stopped growing .. drove to hell ... They know very well how to suck from the earth all the juices.
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    3. Kolya
      Kolya 7 November 2013 11: 22
      +7
      the contract will have to be washed away with the blood of signatories
      1. Aryan
        Aryan 7 November 2013 11: 41
        +6
        was black and white
        it will just turn yellow sad
        sorry for the brothers Slavs ...
    4. APES
      APES 7 November 2013 12: 04
      +3
      Quote: kafa
      Khan


      Only her?

      "According to Dmitry Rylko, Director General of the Institute for Agricultural Market Studies (IKAR), even without taking into account the Far East, where the Chinese have been in charge for a long time, foreigners control about 1 million hectares of arable land in our country. There is only one Swedish investment fund Black Earth Farming, according to his own data, controls through Russian companies 300 thousand hectares of farmland.
      This is only the European part of our country. If we take Siberia, then this is already several million hectares.
      It is not known exactly how much land the foreigners have, since such statistics are not kept, especially since the secret purchase of land through dummies is in full swing. "

      Why are they silent about this?
      1. Corneli
        Corneli 7 November 2013 13: 54
        +4
        Quote: APES
        Why are they silent about this?

        Bullshit about Ukraine is much more fun to write. laughing
    5. Hunghuz
      Hunghuz 7 November 2013 12: 05
      +4
      hi Historically Svidomo Pole sold the land to the Teutonic Order) then ishsho adin Svidomo Livonian) and off it went .........))))))
  2. 10kAzAk01
    10kAzAk01 7 November 2013 07: 33
    +2
    ... there will be a new center of Buddhism in Europe!
    1. seller trucks
      seller trucks 7 November 2013 10: 57
      +3
      Quote: 10kAzAk01
      SPSK


      everything is much more complicated, this is called socialist Confucianism or Confucian socialism, this does not change the thing, but there is a positive side, if you recall how in China it is the death penalty for thief officials, it may be happiness for Ukrainians.
      1. smersh70
        smersh70 7 November 2013 12: 40
        +3
        Quote: seller trucks
        the death penalty for burglar officials, maybe this is happiness for the Ukrainians.

        and not only for Ukrainians ... and for YOU and for US too ..... good or you don’t have them wassat
  3. Valery Neonov
    Valery Neonov 7 November 2013 07: 40
    +8
    Yanukovych "hawala" money, and he doesn't care about Ukraine, Russia, and China.
    А "How Ukraine can change after the Chinese populate 3 million hectares of land leased from it".... Yes, like this:
    1. ia-ai00
      ia-ai00 7 November 2013 08: 46
      +3
      Naturally, this is how Ukraine will look like, truly, MOST-SUFFERING ... After all, there are more than 1,3 billion of them there, in China, and if it costs them nothing to settle in Siberia, Kazakhstan, Moscow, and the vastness of the central part of Russia, then , as if on "own" land, leased for 100 years - "Buddha himself ordered." Horror ... I
  4. Was mammoth
    Was mammoth 7 November 2013 07: 46
    +6
    Sounds too wild for the truth. Although the money does not smell, as some argue. If this is not treason, then what is it?
    1. Kolya
      Kolya 7 November 2013 12: 20
      +1
      There is such a person in Ukraine - Vilkul is called, close to Akhmetov, the ex-governor of the Dniester region. He is behind this deal, why the Dnieper land is there, of course.
  5. makarov
    makarov 7 November 2013 07: 47
    +4
    There is more "hole" in the budget of Ukraine than an ozone one. Almost everyone, without exception, steals who have a little bit of access to budget funds, and what is more, AT ALL LEVELS OF POWER.
    So they are looking for and clinging to everything, even the illusory opportunities to scrape together into the budget, in order to then plunder right away.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 7 November 2013 08: 47
      +2
      Quote: makarov
      There is more "hole" in the budget of Ukraine than an ozone one.

      Even officially Ukraine’s external debt is 75% of GDP! Well, now they still hope to shake Yulia out of the courts, but ... it’s not enough! Not enough!
  6. Same lech
    Same lech 7 November 2013 07: 49
    +5
    The Ukrainian leadership may well reach the last stage of decomposition when it begins to sell its citizens both individually and in bulk, and draws up this by a cunning law, as in EUROPE, where normal women are forced to engage in prostitution against their will.
    1. andr327
      andr327 7 November 2013 08: 26
      +1
      Lech, write this idea to Kiev and ask for a rollback not a lot of 2-3% of the transaction. Do not waste such ideas. with a black sheep, even a tuft of wool.
      1. Same lech
        Same lech 7 November 2013 08: 31
        +5
        They’ve completely gone there and I’m afraid that they will understand such ideas literally.
        All the same, Ukrainian girls are very beautiful and did not want their EUROPEAN SAMPLE BRIDEL to be their only income.
        1. Guun
          Guun 7 November 2013 09: 52
          +4
          Yes, they marry the Chinese, and here it’s clear to the blind. The military in China is not paid badly.
          1. Corsair
            Corsair 7 November 2013 13: 05
            +3
            Quote: Guun
            Yes, they marry the Chinese, and here it’s clear to the blind. The military in China is not paid badly.

            Poor Chinese laughing you can only sympathize lol ! They will find out WHO ARE the "hoshlushki" wives !!! yes ) ...
  7. Vladimir.z.
    Vladimir.z. 7 November 2013 08: 03
    +7
    Quote: mirag2
    ....
    And the Chinese, it’s unlikely that a lot of them will come there, so, some representatives, managers ......


    Look in Africa where there are Chinese managers and Chinese workers ... and the locals are on the sidelines. Yes, and the mentality of the Chinese is appropriate - Asians, so we will also have things going on in Ukraine ...
    1. Nayhas
      Nayhas 7 November 2013 08: 17
      +6
      Quote: Vladimir.z.
      look in Africa where there are Chinese managers and Chinese workers ... and the locals are on the sidelines

      And not only there, Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan, Uzbekistan, where there are Chinese companies, there are Chinese workers, local people are hired to a minimum ...
    2. Egoza
      Egoza 7 November 2013 08: 45
      13
      Quote: Vladimir.z.
      Look in Africa where there are Chinese managers and Chinese workers ... and the locals are on the sidelines

      100% true! I already wrote that the Chinese wanted to buy out the former military airfield in Uzin. The airfield is gorgeous, even Buran can land there. But in Uzin itself there are 14000 inhabitants, and the Chinese set a condition that their people in the amount of 10000 people would serve the airfield. It is, of course, a drop in the bucket for China, but for us ... In short, the people were ready then "to grab the pitchfork." This business has died out. I wonder what will happen now.
      So if they start "joint activities", they will certainly bring their own. And it's scary to even think HOW MUCH !!! And there will be a "great overpopulation of the people"!
      As the saying goes "learn, guys" to occupy the country without a single shot! am
      1. knn54
        knn54 7 November 2013 15: 00
        +2
        -Egoza: the airdrome will be served by their people in the amount of 10000 people. It, of course, is a drop in the ocean for China, but for us. It is interesting what will happen now.
        The presidential election is coming. And there are so many voters right away ...
  8. major071
    major071 7 November 2013 08: 13
    13
    The Ukrainian leadership continues the policy "after us, even a flood" in relation to its people. The main thing is to fill our pockets ourselves and dump somewhere far away.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 7 November 2013 08: 38
      +4
      Quote: major071
      The main thing is to fill your pockets yourself and dump somewhere far away.

      Well, "they work hard and honestly!" As the son of Yanukovych, who had 187 million, and tripled his fortune in six months, and even overtook Akhmetov! People only make a helpless gesture! I've been working hard for 40 for many years, but I haven’t reached such heights! laughing
      1. domokl
        domokl 7 November 2013 08: 49
        +2
        Quote: Egoza
        I've been working hard for 40 for many years, but I haven’t reached such heights! laughing

        Elena, so it was necessary to choose not the most promising, but the easiest way to solve the problem ... lol Quickly change the name to Yanukovych and .. everything. Capital and triple love
        1. Egoza
          Egoza 7 November 2013 08: 58
          +1
          Quote: domokl
          change the name to Yanukovych and .. everything. The capital will triple

          Chur! Chur me! It’s good that you, Alexander, threw this idea from the Utrets, not looking at the night! No, I’ll somehow live with my own, why take such a disgrace on myself!
      2. smersh70
        smersh70 7 November 2013 10: 06
        -6
        Quote: Egoza
        As the son of Yanukovych, who had 187 million, and tripled his fortune in six months,

        after December 15, if Yanukovych signs an agreement, you say that he earned the money honestly, yes ... wassat
        1. Corsair
          Corsair 7 November 2013 10: 13
          +3
          Quote: smersh70
          after December 15, if Yanukovych signs an agreement, you say that he earned the money honestly, yes ...

          Evidently Europe will have to say about it all the same ...
          And will it not "twist" her from THIS?

          Or everything will be according to the principle: "Yes, he is a son of a bitch! But ... he is OUR son of a bitch!" ???
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      4. MG42
        MG42 7 November 2013 13: 18
        +3
        Quote: Egoza
        As the son of Yanukovych, who had 187 million, and tripled his fortune in six months, and even overtook Akhmetov! People only make a helpless gesture!

        Elena, Akhmetov "Tatar" is the richest man in Ukraine, no one has overtaken him, and the Yanuca family is increasing capital, but not so much ..
        Bloomberg estimated the state of Akhmetov at 22,3 billion dollars
        Rinat Akhmetov
        shakhtar.com
        Donetsk businessman, owner of System Capital Management Rinat Akhmetov became the only Ukrainian to be included in the ranking of the hundred richest people on the planet according to Bloomberg.

        As of January 23, 2013, Bloomberg estimated Akhmetov’s fortune at $ 22,3 billion...

        Compared with the rating data for November 2012, Akhmetov rose from 38th to 26th place

        http://zn.ua/ECONOMICS/v-reytinge-milliarderov-ahmetov-podnyalsya-na-26-mesto-op


        erediv-vseh-rossiyan.html
        1. Egoza
          Egoza 7 November 2013 16: 21
          +1
          Quote: MG42
          Akhmetov "Tatar" is the richest man in Ukraine, no one has overtaken him,

          Yes, I checked, I'm sorry, I hurried.
          "Top 20 richest Donetsk residents" rating compiled by Forbes magazine.

          According to the publication, at present, Yanukovych Jr. owns assets worth a total of 510 million dollars. In April of this year, the magazine estimated its fortune in 187 millions.
          In the new ranking of the richest businessmen in Donetsk, Yanukovych's son is in second place, behind only Rinat Akhmetov, whose fortune fell from $ 15,4 billion to $ 14,9 billion in six months. "
  9. Mikhail m
    Mikhail m 7 November 2013 08: 15
    12
    The land after Chinese exploitation is a barren desert poisoned for many years. Chinese products are hazardous to health. We in the South Urals experienced this ourselves. To give them land for 50 years is simply to lose it. Well, Ukraine is not the first time. Fat will be banned to salt them in the European Union, industry will be bent, and then agriculture will be finished. At the expense of oil and gas, we somehow get out of it, but how will they be calculated?
    1. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 7 November 2013 08: 38
      +8
      Quote: Mikhail M
      and how will they be calculated?

      We have already suggested that people sell. Announce: a village for sale, 150 souls of serfs, of which two blacksmiths, a furrier, three grooms and a maid, are very good at singing and trained in etiquette.
  10. Alikovo
    Alikovo 7 November 2013 08: 22
    +7
    in fact, Yanukovych sold part of Ukraine for little money.
  11. borisjdin1957
    borisjdin1957 7 November 2013 08: 27
    +2
    from the Don.
    I slowly crap from, like a kaleidoscope, the rapidly changing events relating to Ukraine and not only. And these events are accelerating! Ukraine something is quickly inflated with negative Lusnit, then we will get it.
  12. Humpty
    Humpty 7 November 2013 08: 33
    +3
    The Chinese will settle in small groups of 2-3 million, plus gypsies from Europe. I won’t be surprised if they also call the Albanian bastard to themselves. That nature is where the harmful manifests itself. All according to the principle it’s better for me to die a cow than a neighbor will have two.
  13. major071
    major071 7 November 2013 08: 33
    10
    Reading the latest news about Ukraine, I am more and more convinced that a paradoxical situation has developed there. Unlike the classic "the lower classes do not want - the upper classes cannot", here everything is different "the upper classes can do everything - the lower classes cannot do anything, or they do not want to." The further - the worse. Hold on, brothers!
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 7 November 2013 09: 03
      +2
      Quote: major071
      "The upper classes can do anything - the lower classes can do nothing, or they don't want to."

      The trouble is that the lower classes do not realize WHAT IT IS !!! On the one hand, it seems like "yes it can't be like that", and on the other - "well, they won't buy my garden, who needs this valve. Enough for their children." They will wake up, but it will be too late!
      1. seller trucks
        seller trucks 7 November 2013 12: 38
        +5
        Quote: Egoza
        The trouble is that the lower classes do not realize WHAT IT IS !!!


        Sergey and I (MG42) came to the conclusion that ethnic trash is being made from Ukraine

        1. MG42
          MG42 7 November 2013 13: 06
          +6
          Hi! hi
          Yes, yes, I remember this photo, it looks like assimilation will be like that. There is also a one-way visa regime with the EU, which supports S.ex - tourism Given that in a Ukrainian young family there are 1 or a maximum of 2 children, and visitors multiply faster. Although the state pays benefits for the birth of a child to young mothers, the demography is still bad, the population has been decreasing over the years of independence since 1991, minus 7 000 000 people and there was no war during this period ..
          Although here some `` tore at their embroidered shirts '' when I posted the news on the site about the lease of Ukrainian land by the Chinese 3 weeks ago wassat
          Funny ..couldn’t insert a comment because the word s.ep.c is invalid text laughing It’s necessary to clean AutoCorrect, otherwise you can reach senility ..
          1. seller trucks
            seller trucks 7 November 2013 13: 20
            +3
            Easy on sight hi

            and the photo probably from the competition "Ukraine May Talents"? I wish I could listen.

            Quote: MG42
            Although the state pays benefits for the birth of a child to young mothers, the demography is still bad, the population has been decreasing over the years of independence since 1991, minus 7 000 000 people and there was no war during this period ..


            I don’t remember, said, didn’t say, I am also in this minus.

            Although here some `` tore at their embroidered shirts '' when I posted the news on the site about the lease of Ukrainian land by the Chinese 3 weeks ago


            there was a thing, there is no smoke without fire, the main thing is that people would harass, the campaign of business, everything went wrong, sorry for my aglitsky.
            1. MG42
              MG42 7 November 2013 13: 27
              +5
              Quote: seller trucks
              and the photo probably from the competition "Ukraine May Talents"? I wish I could listen.

              Here is the weather forecast on Channel 5 of Poroshenko, leading real Ukrainian Gabriela Masanga speaks without an accent wassat >>
            2. MG42
              MG42 7 November 2013 13: 29
              +3
              Eurovision 2012 representative from Ukraine, black singer Gaitana >>
              1. seller trucks
                seller trucks 7 November 2013 13: 47
                +2
                Quote: MG42
                Eurovision 2012 representative from Ukraine, black singer Gaitana >>


                I don’t watch such, in the sense, programs, but I know that such programs exist. When I go to bed, on the day of the finale, I always root for Ukraine, honestly. When the country wins, the next time in the place where the finals take place, it is always accompanied by a gay parade. I remember one of the competitions for my children was held in the Artek sub-river (River, the rest is in ruins), so in Gurzuf there was no passage on the side of this bastard.
                1. MG42
                  MG42 7 November 2013 15: 15
                  +3
                  Quote: seller trucks
                  I don’t watch such, in the sense, programs, but I know that such programs exist.

                  Vitaliy, in the sense of the representative from Ukraine at Eurovision, is the face of that country in the eyes of all Europe, when a black-skinned singer turns out to adequately represent the image of the country ..
                  Next time, why not send a Chinese woman from Ukraine, because they will rent land here ..
  14. askort154
    askort154 7 November 2013 08: 34
    +4
    Mikhail m .... Earth after Chinese exploitation - a barren desert poisoned for many years.

    It will be worse than a few Chernobyls. Khokhlov are bred like blind kittens.
  15. Per se.
    Per se. 7 November 2013 08: 40
    +3
    What to blame on Little Russia if we have already officially leased to China 426,6 thousand hectares of border lands for non-agricultural needs! This "cooperation" in "development" began under Medvedev, in 2009, the length of such territories along the border in the Jewish Autonomous Region and the Khabarovsk Territory reaches 3000 kilometers. The only difference is that the lease terms are formally shorter, from 3 to 10 years. Of course, it is impressive that Little Russia will lose 3 million hectares, primarily of pro-Russian territories, these are Dnepropetrovsk, Kherson regions and Crimea. For this it is necessary to impale.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 7 November 2013 08: 54
      +1
      Quote: Per se.
      primarily pro-Russian territories, This is the Dnepropetrovsk, Kherson region and Crimea. For this, you need to put on a stake.

      That's it! For some reason, mostly pro-Russian territories are used! They are going to not only breed pigs, but also grow wheat. I wonder who prevents themselves to grow and sell? There’s such a crop this year - there’s nowhere to go! And then try to relocate these Chinese from here!
      Truly "the great yellow race will reign on earth!"
  16. predator.3
    predator.3 7 November 2013 08: 45
    +4
    that China is given land east of the Dnieper. That is, the "Chinese barrier" is placed precisely against Russia.


    To the east of the Dnieper, these are lands with the Russian-speaking population, it is clear that they want to get rid of them, you will launch one Chinese, another million will come for him! Give a finger, and they bite on the elbow!
    1. Lindon
      Lindon 7 November 2013 09: 20
      +5
      predator.3

      Why do Japanese photos for an article about China?
      Or are they all on one face for you?
      1. Guun
        Guun 7 November 2013 09: 55
        +2
        I remembered a joke - For an Asian, all Europeans have one face.
      2. TROG
        TROG 7 November 2013 11: 07
        0
        Lindon
        And on the fence is a plate in Korean ...
        Maybe it's animeshniki Koreans?
      3. predator.3
        predator.3 8 November 2013 06: 55
        0
        Quote: Lindon
        Why do the Japanese photo to an article about China? Or are they all on one face for you?

        Well, you know better!
  17. Koronik
    Koronik 7 November 2013 08: 55
    +3
    If the question is serious, then you need to "congratulate" our brothers, there is nothing more to sell, there is a lot of land in Ukraine. They will live fun, they will live well. Well, but seriously, probably remember the Russian Alaska leased and the result. China in 50 years, the country is an economic world leader, perhaps a military one too. So the question of returning the land is open. And the lands will be given over to the controversial ones (or rather the Russian Crimea, Dnepropetrovsk region), which are still a thorn in one place for Ukraine.
  18. Semurg
    Semurg 7 November 2013 08: 56
    0
    About four years ago, it seemed like they wanted to rent 1 million hectares of land for soybeans, but the population was categorically against it and seemed to have won back. They said that it was just rumors and there was no agreement but there was a provocation on the part of our marshes. We can not let the Chinese, we are neighbors and we are few. In this respect, Ukraine is lighter than China and the population is large. If there is a lot of free land that is not cultivated, why not lease then taxes on cultivated and sold products, if many single girls find husbands, create families. If children are raised by their mothers, Ukrainians will consider themselves Ukrainians (I have a friend from a Russian marriage and a Chinese considered myself Russian, though it was still with the union.) And in the end I read the author's last name Khramchikhin and the Chinese threat smiled again?
  19. morpogr
    morpogr 7 November 2013 09: 07
    10
    Here it is the future of the Ukrainian village.
  20. Dmitriy1975
    Dmitriy1975 7 November 2013 09: 08
    +2
    In my opinion, Ukraine has gone crazy altogether, okay I’ll say this, why are you fucking there at all, this land is watered with the blood of hundreds of generations of our ancestors, and if you have been given "independence" for 20-30 years, do not think that you have been given it for ever ... Yours is not there or anything, you are just individuals living in this territory and that's it, the time will come to repay debts, and then what?
  21. morpogr
    morpogr 7 November 2013 09: 09
    +9
    And this is the Donbass.
    1. Corsair
      Corsair 7 November 2013 11: 47
      +3
      Quote: morpogr
      And this is the Donbass.

      Fortunately, not yet ... Unorganized brigades of Chinese "migrant workers" really worked at individual mines, but these are special cases and there is no need to talk about "mass character".
      But if memory serves, about 3 years ago, a group of specialists from the coal industry and the Ministry of Finance of the PRC visited the Shakhtyorskaya-Glubokaya mine, with the aim of "leasing" several sites. To which the management of the mine and PA "Shakhterskantratsit" refused, instead offering the Chinese to make investments into production.
      And then the Chinese "kicked up", in figs they "pull" the unprofitable mine.
      After all, their plans include: catch up with their workers, their machinery and equipment, scoop everything up "under the clean" ... and dump it all.

      So -" **** whatever you want"...

      P | S:According to the available information, nevertheless, in some mines (you mainly belong to "private traders"), the Ukrainian GSO (mining equipment) is being replaced by Chinese ...
  22. OneMoreDay
    OneMoreDay 7 November 2013 09: 24
    +1
    We must give our Eastern "brothers" a hand. By giving money to Ukraine, they break the game designed to return Ukraine in one capacity or another.
  23. Corsair
    Corsair 7 November 2013 09: 40
    +2
    Quote from the article:
    China signed a contract with Ukraine for the lease of three million hectares (that is, 30 thousand sq. Km, which is approximately equal to the area of ​​Belgium or Armenia) of agricultural land for $ 3 billion. The contract is valid for 99 years with the right for any party to terminate it. but not before the expiration of the first 50 years. For the extension of the contract through 50 for years, Ukraine will receive another $ 3 billion.


    Considering what kind of "chemistry" the Chinese use in agricultural technology, one can assume what the remnants of Ukrainian chernozems will soon turn into ...
    AND WHERE will the chemical products "go"?
  24. Ihrek
    Ihrek 7 November 2013 10: 09
    +1
    They no longer know how else to make money, what is the next step.
  25. Estray_
    Estray_ 7 November 2013 10: 17
    +1
    Quote: Egoza
    Quote: Per se.
    primarily pro-Russian territories, This is the Dnepropetrovsk, Kherson region and Crimea. For this, you need to put on a stake.

    That's it! For some reason, mostly pro-Russian territories are used! They are going to not only breed pigs, but also grow wheat. I wonder who prevents themselves to grow and sell? There’s such a crop this year - there’s nowhere to go! And then try to relocate these Chinese from here!
    Truly "the great yellow race will reign on earth!"

    And if they try to evict them, they will see their former "Varyag" on the roadstead in Odessa.
  26. Akim
    Akim 7 November 2013 10: 19
    +1
    I didn’t read an article or a comment so as not to get involved.
    Markov and Kostusev in the classics:
    1. Corsair
      Corsair 7 November 2013 11: 16
      +1
      Quote: Akim
      I didn’t read an article or a comment so as not to get involved.
      Markov and Kostusev in the classics:

      AGAIN Markov ... Yes YOLY-PALA (what is it what ), is he your personal enemy? When will you "let" go ???
      Calm down at last, and do not poke it anywhere!
      1. Akim
        Akim 7 November 2013 11: 49
        0
        Quote: Corsair
        is he your personal enemy

        Believe me, just Kostusev gave me a job. Like, I tried to feed from my hand. It would be logical that I defended them. And put in here, because he was afraid the joke would leave.
        1. Corsair
          Corsair 7 November 2013 11: 58
          0
          Quote: Akim
          And put in here, because he was afraid the joke would leave.

          "Are you kidding" over the serious question of transferring the territory of Ukraine to "lease"? ... Patriot !!!
          1. Akim
            Akim 7 November 2013 12: 04
            +1
            Quote: Corsair
            "Are you kidding" about the serious issue of leasing the territory of Ukraine? ...

            Yes, and over that. Or did you seriously meet the end of the world that year? And the first launch of the andron collider, which could turn us into a black hole? Think scared!
          2. Corneli
            Corneli 7 November 2013 14: 14
            +2
            Quote: Corsair
            "Are you kidding" over the serious question of transferring the territory of Ukraine to "lease"? ... Patriot !!!

            Should we cry? "Lovers of Ukraine", instead of reading such fairy tales, should have looked at their Far East and reconsider Russian military cooperation with China. Before that there is going on Ukrainian "deals" like cancer to heaven! But vyzh, poor fellows, you all care for Ukraine)
            And the article itself is full of crap.
            To begin with, not 3 mln. G were sold for 3 lard, but 100 thousand hectares in the east of the Dnepropetrovsk region for growing crops and pig breeding. And that is still in doubt.
            Secondly, what are the milens of the Chinese military? laughing Who signs them visas here? Well, such nonsense is already being written ....
            Third, Argentina and Brazil also "sold" half a million agricultural land for beans, corn and cotton, there are also apparently stupid and corrupt and the Chinese will bring their military there and conquer them)
            Fourth, there is a lack of food in China, especially grain and prices for most of the main products in China, are higher than the world ones. So it’s not them to ruin Ukraine, but to feed themselves. Food is not cheap Chinese socks, stop thinking with stamps.
            In general, as always, a circus, nonsense and clowning. I am amazed in advance from comments
            1. Egoza
              Egoza 7 November 2013 16: 41
              +2
              Quote: Corneli
              To begin with, not 3 mln. G were sold for 3 lard, but 100 thousand hectares in the east of the Dnepropetrovsk region for growing crops and pig breeding. And that is still in doubt.

              Sorry, dear, but read carefully! First, it’s not about selling, but about renting, and secondly, the data was published on September 23-24, and much earlier in China.
              "China leases in Ukraine 3 million hectares of farmland for a period of 50 years, the newspaper reported today. Huanqiu shibao.
              According to media reports, the agreement was signed between the Xinjiang Industrial and Construction Corps and the Ukrainian company KSG Agro.
              At the first stage the Chinese side will be leased 100 thousand ha in the Dnipropetrovsk region. Later the area of ​​leased territories, including in the Kherson region and in Crimea, will reach 3 million ha. Land will be used for growing crops and livestock. The Chinese side is committed to implementing a number of irrigation projects.
              http://biz.liga.net/all/prodovolstvie/novosti/2612581-kitay-arenduet-v-ukraine-3
              -mln-ga-selkhozugodiy-na-50-let-smi.htm
              1. Corneli
                Corneli 7 November 2013 19: 21
                0
                Quote: Egoza
                Sorry, dear, but read carefully! First, it’s not about selling, but about renting, and secondly, the data was published on September 23-24, and much earlier in China.
                "China leases 3 million hectares of farmland in Ukraine for a period of 50 years," the newspaper Huanqiu Shibao reported today.

                I apologize of course, especially since I wrote my post without reading all the comments. I read it later, I found at least 2 refutations ... events as such. I advise you to find and read them too. Accordingly, the newspapers "Huangqiu ..." and others are right there in the forest. And even more so, such "authoritative" sources as in the article above rest ...
    2. seller trucks
      seller trucks 7 November 2013 12: 56
      +1
      Quote: Akim
      I didn’t read an article or a comment so as not to get involved.
      Markov and Kostusev in the classics:


      Akim! Eco got you hooked, just some great-power chauvinist woke up in you, but the Lord is with him and Makov, look around “Ukraine is in danger” (c) Ostap Drozdov:

      It is Ukraine. A typical anti-state anti-human. It exists only because it is forcibly centralized. And only because society is afraid to recognize themselves helpless. Ukraine is a state form without statesmen. This is a decorative formation, which, in order to calm the Ukrainian-centered part of society, was covered with a trident, a blue-yellow flag and the anthem “Ukraine Has Not Died”, and for the indifferent part, by cultivating a sense of temporality. In fact, the Ukrainian state does not suit (even annoys) both the first and second - it’s only weak for both to say it out loud. To rebel against this phantom (or try to fill it with genuine content) means to raise your hand to the holy of holies. A parasitic state exists (and grows stronger every year) only because patriots bought themselves on a trident, and everyone else spat on it.
    3. Akim
      Akim 7 November 2013 14: 20
      +2
      Sorry, but a visionary movie. Even the criminal past of Yanyk was remembered.
      laughing
  27. Opera
    Opera 7 November 2013 11: 08
    +4
    I don’t even want to talk about what is happening in Ukraine now. I don’t want to think about what can happen! A week ago in Simferopol, in a cafe across the street from Gagarinsky Park, such a scene occurred. Three women come in, let’s say so, very middle-aged. Funny (I thought one of them had a birthday) they bring a menu and they loudly begin to discuss what they will take. We discussed for a particularly long time 50 cognac or walk for 100 walks so much. We took a salad, a lemon and still a hundred!)) Then one of them happily reports that this month she may not be worried. Received a salary - 400 hryvnias advance payment and 500 zp Then he takes the phone and calls mom - mom, mom I won! It was about some sort of vocal competition. I was given 2 very beautiful cups and most importantly you know what? 500 hryvnia premium (2000 rubles). I'll pay the communal apartment and replenish the phone. She was still happy for a long time! Such is not an instant joy. Today's Ukraine is a real pain for any normal Russian person.
    1. Muadipus
      Muadipus 8 November 2013 11: 59
      0
      Sad story. But we have lived with such pain in Russia for 10 years, and some still live. Our country is very heterogeneous in this regard.
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  29. Marek Rozny
    Marek Rozny 7 November 2013 11: 48
    +8
    In the KZ, a deal began on the question of a hypothetical transfer of land for agricultural use by China. In 2009, Nazarbayev mentioned on television that the Chinese had made such a request to Kazakhstan (1 million hectares for soybeans and rapeseed). In 2011, a runaway oppositionist, Rakhat Aliyev, said that the authorities allegedly gave the green light to this proposal.
    The people raised such a buzz that Nazarbayev himself had to answer numerous arguments and speculations on this subject:
    "I will instruct law enforcement agencies to prosecute those who spread false rumors about the sale of land to the Chinese ... I will answer briefly. Article 23 of the Land Code says in black and white that land cannot be sold to foreigners. What else can be added to this? "
    While Nazarbayev did not express himself clearly on this issue, the Kazakh public was pushed to the limit.
    How the Ukrainians profiled their land and kept silent when this fact became reality, I do not get it. I understand that the Ukrainian state needs grandmothers, and democratic Ukrainians are not used to defending their opinions before the authorities (unlike the "totalitarian" Kazakhs and "wild" Kyrgyz), but all the same, there are limits ... The Chinese can only be allowed into the country in doses, and their invested capital must be balanced by investment by third parties so as not to skew the balance of interests.
    Well, and frankly stupid sale of the Ukrainian part of the military heritage of the USSR to China - this does not fit into my head at all. Kazakhstan has never sold anything of Soviet weapons to China. The most serious equipment that the Kazakhs were ready to sell to the far abroad were "tired" decommissioned MiG-21 aircraft. At the same time, neither new types of aircraft, nor even outdated tanks (of which there are several thousand), nor helicopters, nor the available technical documentation of defense plants have NEVER even been offered to foreign buyers (although only the Scientific Research Institute "Micrografia" (Uralsk), which stores absolutely all Soviet design documentation for the civil and navy, which is worth it).
    1. mithridate
      mithridate 7 November 2013 12: 00
      +4
      the difference in mentality of political elites
  30. TRAFFIC
    TRAFFIC 7 November 2013 12: 19
    +1
    The article reminded of the program "Inexplicable, but a fact", there, on the basis of the author's fantasies, such theories are built that the hair on the head stands on end. laughing
  31. desiscia
    desiscia 7 November 2013 12: 24
    0
    Well, now, bravie, kytaysky boys and girls will be in Ukraine
  32. Algor73
    Algor73 7 November 2013 12: 33
    0
    But as far as I know, it was not at all about 3 million hectares. Here is the link http://rus.ruvr.ru/2013_09_24/Utka-po-pekinski-Ukraina-oprovergla-sluhi-ob-arend
    e-Kitaem-ee-zemel-8241 /
  33. Avenger711
    Avenger711 7 November 2013 13: 06
    0
    Where is Ukraine and where is China? In the event of shocks and a change of power, China will have no chance to intervene.
  34. ATATA
    ATATA 7 November 2013 13: 07
    -1
    But if everything is so simple, then you need to give VUKRAINE 50 yards and take everything to the Dnieper, naturally including the South.
    But if this is true, (honestly, I just don’t believe in such impudence from Svidomo) it turns out that we will buy our own land for our own money ?!
    Not only are they stolen land from Russia along with Russian people, they are also selling it!
    Fell !!!!!
    when these furry nezalezhnikov they will raise the lights ?? !!! am
    How many people will be mocked and how much Russia will still allow it ??? !!!
  35. Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 7 November 2013 13: 13
    +1
    the owner of 5% of the territory of Ukraine will be the Xinjian Production and Building Corps (SPSK) - a special structure of the PLA (People's Liberation Army of China), that is, the Chinese armed forces.

    This is a feint. as it is on h_hlyatsky. That Khrushchev gives Crimea, then Yanek gives 5% of the territory.
    BUT!
    This can be a very good incentive to build a very proper relationship with China.
  36. gladiatorakz
    gladiatorakz 7 November 2013 13: 22
    +5
    It is interesting to observe how the same commentators read an article by Khramchikhin that China will take Siberia away, shout that there is no faith in it, the analyst is zero, etc. But when the same Khramchikhin writes about Ukraine, so to speak in fashion, then 95% unconditionally begin to blame Ukraine.
    Is this not an example of double morality? Or maybe a consequence of the work of the media in the brain of Russians? (not to be confused with the Russians, so that your TV channels do not lie, they do not care Ukrainian - Brother!)
    1. ATATA
      ATATA 7 November 2013 13: 29
      +3
      Quote: gladiatorakz
      It is interesting to observe how the same commentators read an article by Khramchikhin that China will select Siberia

      These are all personal fantasies of Khramchikhin.
      But the news mentioned in this article comes from the Ukrainian media.
      Do you feel the difference?
      And then, how does all this correlate with independence and EURO integration?
      Ukraine, this is anti-Russia.
      Everything that the occupation regime in this territory does to the detriment of Russia and the evil of Russia.
      This is the whole point of this power in the temporarily torn away territories.
      1. gladiatorakz
        gladiatorakz 8 November 2013 13: 58
        +1
        Quote: ATATA
        Everything that the occupation regime in this territory does to the detriment of Russia and the evil of Russia.

        ATATA I advise you to think about your government and even about the GDP itself. Look at his actions and the consequences of these actions. Everything is done to the detriment of the Russian people, and therefore Russia. You, as children, rejoice at new toys that began to come to you (airplanes, ships, YaRS, etc.), but you stubbornly do not notice that your apartment (Russia) is slowly squeezing out. Like the Indians on mirrors and beads cheated. You don’t need this either, just watch the first channel, where they will tell who is friend, who is enemy. They will make it possible to feel powerful again. Why do I need to chew it, you yourself subconsciously understand it, but you are not psychologically ready to understand the truth.
  37. vanaheym
    vanaheym 7 November 2013 13: 30
    +3
    Information circulated in the media about the Xinjiang Corporation and KSG Agro is not true.
    On May 31, 2013, KSG Agro agricultural holding signed a letter of intent with Xinjiang Production and Construction Corps, Chine National Corporation for Overseas Economic Cooperation, China - Ukraine International Engineering Cooperation Association Limited.
    This protocol refers to the cooperation of Chinese corporations with KSG Agro in areas that are being processed by the holding. Namely, in the areas of increasing efficiency, installing drip irrigation systems and applying modern agricultural technologies.
    In July - August, a group of Chinese specialists worked in Ukraine. Official meetings were held in the Dnipropetrovsk Regional State Administration and the government of Crimea. Information on the results of the work and possible ways of cooperation was covered in the press.
    At the moment, KSG Agro and the Chinese side are working on a cooperation agreement on the installation of drip irrigation systems on an area of ​​3 thousand hectares in 2014. The Chinese side is interested in investing and supplying equipment for drip irrigation systems. This is the first stage, in the future it is possible to gradually increase the area under drip irrigation, as well as cooperation in the application of modern technologies in crop production, vegetable growing and pig farming.
    The company has no intention and right to sell land to foreigners, including the Chinese.

    Press service of the agricultural holding KSG Agro SA

    http://www.ksgagro.com/2013/09/23/refutation-of-information/



    Or else the Russian press and Kiselev will talk about Ukraine before its leadership signs something ..
  38. Kars
    Kars 7 November 2013 13: 37
    +1
    By the way, it would be interesting to know on the basis of what documents the exteriority is supposed to be? While it is interesting on the basis of what China will deliver the Chinese .. But in fact, what difference does it make if you pay taxes and comply with environmental standards and labor laws. Moreover, if you rent for a long time, then they will take good care of the land.


    Minister: Large agricultural holdings will have the right to lease Ukrainian land for up to 50 years
    The Minister of Agrarian Policy of Ukraine Mykola Prysyazhnyuk states that land reform provides for a ban on the purchase of land by legal persons, as well as foreign citizens. The minister’s statement is quoted on December 13 by the Party of Regions press service, a REGNUM correspondent reports.

    “Only citizens of Ukraine will have the right to buy and sell land. We will also limit the volume of its sale to one person. We had a proposal to allow concentrating in one person up to two thousand hectares. Now we have received a proposal to reduce this volume to 500 hectares. This is a European practice. In Poland, for example, no more than 350 hectares of land can be in the same hands, "Prisyazhnyuk emphasized, in particular. According to him, the completion of the land reform will allow small-scale producers to take out loans from banks. "We envisage that the lease right can also be a pledge in a financial institution. It is important here that bankers do not find an opportunity to alienate land to pay off debt," he said.

    The minister also drew attention to the fact that all legal structures will be prohibited from buying land. Large agricultural holdings will have the right to lease for up to 50 years. The law will stipulate that even if the owner of the land share wants to sell it, the lease cannot be terminated. “Large-scale production has already taken place in our country, and the state's assistance should be in not hindering agricultural holdings from developing and helping them in foreign markets,” he said. "We do not provide for a transitional period in the legislation. I assure you, long-term lease suits everyone, including the state. Otherwise, large agricultural holdings would have to compete with foreign financial funds when buying land," Prisyazhnyuk stressed. “The people still have to realize that land is the most capitalized property that can constantly generate income. It is clear that today's needs can outweigh planned income. But I still don’t want to let the land out of the hands of individuals,” he concluded.


    Recall, earlier the president of the Association of Farmers and Private Landowners of Ukraine Ivan Tomich said that in the near future China plans to become the largest tenant of Ukrainian lands. According to Tomich, to achieve this goal, the country is now forming a special fund, the total amount of which will be $ 400 billion. In general, at the moment, he said, Ukrainian lands are rented by foreigners from 30 countries of the world. The majority of non-residents renting these territories are citizens of the EU, the USA and China, while leasing takes place through legal entities, including agricultural holdings



    Подробности: http://www.regnum.ru/news/1479101.html#ixzz2jx0Z6j9m
    Any use of materials is allowed only if there is a hyperlink to REGNUM news agency.
  39. vlad.svargin
    vlad.svargin 7 November 2013 14: 41
    +3
    Independent leaders were led. Our brothers can no longer feed themselves, they called for the help of the Chinese drinks
    And I want to go to Europe ... bully
    1. Corneli
      Corneli 7 November 2013 15: 00
      0
      Quote: vlad.svargin
      Our brothers can no longer feed themselves, they called for help from the Chinese drinks
      And in Europe I want ... bully

      belay Before you write cheto about "food" at least glance at how much and what Ukraine exports. There would be no WTO quotas and Western lobbying, Mona would only get mad loot through the export of agricultural products. In numbers, the "extra" havchik grows by an average of 100 lard per year. So the Chinese are not in business here ... unless they figure out how to bring all this to China, they have problems with food.
      1. avg
        avg 7 November 2013 16: 09
        0
        There wouldn’t be WTO quotas and Western lobbying; Mona would only get mad loot from exporting agricultural products ...
        So the Chinese are not in business here unless they can figure out how to bring all this to China, they have problems with food.

        You are a friend, first figure it out yourself. Export quotas are the protection of Ukrainian consumers from rising domestic grain prices. The WTO reacted negatively to the introduction of quotas by Ukraine. wink
        As for the Chinese, first Geyropu, under the guise of cheap Ukrainian products from the free trade zone, will be fed, and then you will have to move. yes
  40. Vasily Klopkov
    Vasily Klopkov 7 November 2013 15: 21
    -1
    Well, what if we ourselves do not know how to work on our land, then even if the Chinese work, maybe they will teach us something. And it’s better to call on us the Chinese government and adopt their laws so that the Baska Baska is introduced for corruption. hi
  41. T-130
    T-130 7 November 2013 15: 25
    0
    It was written interestingly, but in my opinion the author had enough!
  42. Fastblast
    Fastblast 7 November 2013 16: 14
    -1
    At the arena all the same!)))
    Don’t feed you bread, give horror stories about Ukraine to read, yes, in the comments, to each other to assent))
    Oh well, the taste and color of entertainment are different for everyone.

    Many of you are convinced that the Chinese and Gypsies will soon inhabit our lands. And do you not deign, dear prophets, to quote from official sources, which clearly speaks of relocation?

    You won’t bring anything, don’t bother looking, as most of you are just forum chatterboxes and no more. =)
  43. Algor73
    Algor73 7 November 2013 16: 22
    0
    I understand that nobody wants to get to the bottom of the truth in this blog.
    1. Vital 33
      Vital 33 7 November 2013 18: 16
      -1
      Truth here interests nobody wink ... Here, the most epochal nonsense is held in high esteem, the main thing is to be "louder", and about Ukraine, even the complete and absolute absence of any sense (not only common sense) in any news does not stop anyone. The more fantastic the lie, the stronger and more willingly they believe in it. winked And attempts to refute something, even with the involvement of official statements, links, etc., do not succeed. It’s better known there, and better known than here ... belay
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  44. APASUS
    APASUS 7 November 2013 21: 39
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    Now we are talking about the Dnipropetrovsk region, where the Chinese plan to engage in farming and raise pigs. But in the future, this production is planned to be extended to other areas of the country, first of all - Kherson and Crimea.

    China seems to be very interested in access to the Black Sea, it means the access to our and the Ukrainian fleet is different. Most of the land is one of the most land, and the country has idle land resources in the west of the country, but here the choice fell on the strategic location.
  45. Muadipus
    Muadipus 8 November 2013 11: 53
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    Here are the Ukrainian "patriots" for you. They showed their face.
    For me so .. What kind of "X" of the Russian land give out? It's time to annex Ukraine, with the obligatory separation of Galicia and its enclosure with a concrete wall. How long can you mock Ukrainians?

    1 - What did not lease the land of Western Ukraine?
    2 - Russia already leased Alaska once ...