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Aliens and their own. Where does the motherland begin

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Aliens and their own. Where does the motherland begin

Where does the homeland begin?

From the picture in your letter,
With good and faithful comrades,
Living in a neighboring yard ...


Mikhail Matusovsky. Song from the film "Shield and Sword".

Every month I definitely buy a magazine with a shocking and, one might say, with a “talking” name “Snob”. It is quite expensive for the entrance, of the momentary press - in general, however, a sort of Snob Snobych. We kind of say in advance: this is not a garbage-luscious “gloss” with painted girls on the covers and the immortal, unsinkable theme “How to take a guy from a best friend?”. “Snob” -ism is a position, an opinion, it is a style of a creative class, to which I, fortunately, do not belong. But, nevertheless, I regularly study the views of the collective Snob. No no! It is not because I agree with his expert assessments and beautifully presented arguments - not at all! I just always remember the classics of the genre: you need to know the enemy by sight, and the level of elegant literature in Snobov is somewhat higher than in other similar ones.

I also regularly read the publications on the magazine’s website, in the authors' personal blogs. And once I decided to look at the page of the famous journalist and writer Arina Kholina in order to read the text with the chilling name “Monument to cannibals” (see the publication from 18.10.13). I must say that it is with Mrs. Kholina that I most often disagree with - for some reason I don’t like her view on the relationship between a man and a woman, as well as on other socially significant issues. But she writes smartly and chekanno - this really can not be taken away.

So, cannibals. What do you think about whom we were talking about? About the cannibal tribe, lost forever in the jungle and still worshiping some Big Gee? Not. It would be too boring and unfashionable - extreme ethnography is not currently in trend. As it turned out, the conversation was about the now popular USSR-nostalgia. Monument to cannibals is the love of their storiesso that you know, and not only to her, but even to songs about Cheburashka, to plastic soldiers and to dolls that come from childhood, from our Soviet childhood. But what am I retelling everything in my own words? So, let us give the floor to the author of the blog: “Aversion to the USSR should have become the basis, the foundation of a new life, which would have to asphalt all this vile past. And it turned out a crime without punishment. Due to this, what we have emerged - the post-Soviet society, where no one is ashamed of anything, and where the same scum and indifferent citizens simply changed their appearance. ” As you can see, Mrs. Holina is totally dissatisfied with modernity - at that time there were horrendous homo-sovieticus, now - disgusting post-sovieticus. Both those and others are a cheating, fortunate cattle, who do not understand Kandinsky. Or understanding, but - wrong.

... A vile past, a vile present, a crime without punishment. How often do the liberals talk about this suffering topic? Their refrain: "The Soviet system was criminal, in fact, initially." A friend of mine regularly says the mantra, that he is ashamed to live in a country that did not repent for the famine, for collectivization, for the Gulag, for ... empty shelves and the omnipresent Glory of the CPSU. He is very ashamed, but he stubbornly does not go to America, preferring to go to the belolentochnye rallies and resent cruelty to Pussy Riot. Continuation know? It is always the same. (These people are surprisingly predictable and stereotyped, as if they were stamped on some strange little plant). Look, they say, the Germans are great, they condemned fascism, got theirs, and now even a small hint of a swastika or of the runes of the SS leads to criminal prosecution. And we? No, Holina, of course, does not follow in the footsteps of Leonid Gozman and does not shout that Stalin SMERSHevtsi is no better than the Nazi SS men. However, we all understand that it was a hint of Nuremberg-1946 and the subsequent repentance of society that allowed Auschwitz. But then - Europe! And they cannot be proved that Nazism was condemned by an international court, and not by a lynch court with the participation of anxious intelligentsia. This is jurisprudence, not boltology.

Oh, and with our collective repentance, it’s tight, despite the fact that ... I quote: "... any citizen could reproach himself for working for the dirty Soviet regime." In general, not only the general secretaries with their sons and speech writers, with the "bloody gebnoy" and no less bloody party organizers, are sinners and have not repented. Blame, as it turns out, everything. Where does a normal homeland begin? Their homeland. With the recognition of a collective sin and a thought form that it (the Motherland) is a byaka. Thus, any weaver, any village teacher, the first reindeer herder in the tundra, as well as nuclear physicists and local militiamen, not to mention children's writers, are guilty. Guilty of the fact that the brilliant Brodsky was recognized as a parasite, the highly artistic “Emmanuel” is porn, and the sausage was just of one kind and fiercely fought for it in lines! In general, as one popular rock band sang, "... chained together - connected by one goal."

Are you forty years old and sometimes you love to remember the 48 kopek sundae, Zvezdochka pioneer camp and the movie “The Adventures of Electronics”? What a horror ... Arina Kholina disapproves: "People remember their terrible Soviet childhood - humiliating, impoverished, slavish, and pretend that they were good." Was my childhood humiliating? Slave? Where did I have time to break, on which plantation? Beggars? Honest pioneer - I do not remember. I sometimes have a strange feeling - as if we all, relatively speaking, are post-Soviet citizens, we have such different memories, because we ... lived in some different USSR. Exactly. I am in the USSR-1, she is in some USSR-2. Remember the popular American TV series “Sliding”, which told about a million variants of the development of society and, as a result, about different realities? So Arina Kholina and I lived in parallel and, accordingly, never intersecting spaces, in one of which pioneer fires were burning, and in the other, inquisition fires were blazing. I repeat that the publication of Arina Kholina is not the cry of a single, atypical and some special enfant terrible. Just the same journalist expresses the opinion of a very specific and very recognizable part of society. I often hear and read complaints about the “sovok” school, pioneer camp, and other under-provided vitamins in kindergarten.

Strange, but my USSR defeated the fascists and launched a man into space. The other USSR, in which I have never visited, was considered the Evil Empire and the country of slaves. Their USSR, as it turns out, cleared not the fascists of the muzzle, but raped a million German women and, casually, trampled on Eastern European civilizations. In my USSR, people went to work, read books, discussed films, went to the south to rest, dug at their summer cottages, and indeed they lived. Remember the little song? "People meet, people fall in love, get married ..." In the parallel USSR, which I, fortunately, for some reason did not notice, everyone was starving, cold and beating in despair about the Iron Curtain, catching at night the forbidden frequencies of the Voices of America and all sorts of different bbc.

In my Moscow there were museums and concert halls, and also the Children's World with GDR-ovsky toys and elegant children's dresses. The Christmas tree shone with the lights, smelled tangerines, snowflakes whirled and the panel letters on the Central Telegraph glowed. In the other, that Moscow, which I didn’t find or didn’t see, there were dank mornings and gloomy evenings, false optimism of BAM songs and the impossibility in principle to read what I wanted. However, to breathe there, apparently, was also impossible. For, in fact, nothing. In my USSR there was love, and in their USSR there was no sex. In my - they were friends and laughed, in them - they fought and drank. We have a yard brotherhood, they are harassing "the smartest and most extraordinary." We - VDNH, they - GULAG. I would also hurt! Our security officers were smart, brave and caught spies. They, in a parallel USSR, also received security officers, but for some reason they were mean and evil, and they were engaged exclusively in torturing scientists, pressing abstract artists and shooting the descendants of aristocratic families.

Here, we had the second place in the world in terms of the level of education, there, evil teachers went on their way and mediocre textbooks were published. In my USSR, girls played with German dolls, and in them, in another USSR, wept because of the absence of Barbie. We rejoiced when we were accepted as pioneers - they also suffered from the “red rag” suffocating them. We considered poems about Lenin as a given, they were like a terrible burden. We had the sun, they had - darkness. And the names of our parallel USSR, it turns out, are completely different. We had the Soviet Union, and they had the Scoop or the Council of Deputies. You know, if I lived in childhood and in my youth in their Scoop, I would also not love my past, here is a word of honor!

Of course, I am not inclined to idealize Soviet life — there were also minuses in it, but reference-perfect societies are present exclusively in the dreams of utopian philosophers or in books of some optimistic fiction. It is not a question of whether it was good or bad in the Soviet Union. It's not about sausage and not in the verses about Lenin. Just one person remembers the queue at the museum, and the other - all at the turn of sausage. We are different, we can say that we are foreign to each other. Of those most parallel, that is, nowhere and never crossed by the USSR. And not so long ago, the same Arina Kholina composed another illustrative text entitled “Own and Others” - ibid, in the Snob magazine blog (from 25.10.13). She clearly defined for herself: “If a person, conditionally,“ does not understand ”Kandinsky - he is immediately from those Aliens who have posters of cats in the kitchen.” Of course, these are images, metaphors, because it is not Kandinsky and even not cats, but the ability of any homo sapiens to recognize and separate, discard others. I also distinguish between His and Aliens.

The “s” had a happy and fulfilled childhood, the “strangers” had a peace of edge. The USSR is gratefully remembered, others are with disgust or annoyance. What USSR are you from? From the one in which there was a breakthrough into space or from where “some were sitting and others were escorted”? Where does your homeland begin? With love or with hate? From a pioneer camp or from a concentration camp? What do you remember - how were you the horn of the squad or how did you get the imported chewing gums?

How else can you recognize the Alien? He always calls Russia - Rashka, and regardless of the social system. She is with him and under Peter the Great is also Raska, for the Alien hates all authority. However, the Alien most often relishes the aesthetics of the Third Reich and recognizes its “brutal eroticism” and “fascinating brutality”, and if it comes to opposing Germany VS USSR, he will certainly give: “In fact, Hitler and Stalin were the same, but Hitler was an order of magnitude more civilized and much more beautiful. ” Someone else likes the decadent disintegration in the spirit of the Night Porter, from where he draws his rotten dreams about the Third Reich. The alien hates any strong community - he considers it a mob, for he himself is an exclusive product, not consumer goods, but indposhiv. He is a “movie is not for everyone” and conceptual reading. Alien loves me and despises us.

Someone else will always support dirty tricks or flaws - for him the dance "pushek" is not hooliganism or blasphemy, but something like the search for new forms in art. One Alien I know even compared his associates to Nadia Tolokonnikov - no less than futurists. A stranger understands freedom as an opportunity to bark at anyone and mate, with whom he wanted, therefore he considers any minimum restriction as “twisting hands” or “grabbing the throat”. He will sneer at the ROC and support LGBT. Strangers hate tradition and love to “break stereotypes.” He likes Navalny not because he is a charismatic leader or just an interesting person, but because he is against Putin. Where does homeland begin? In His - “... from the old father's budyonovka that we found somewhere in the closet”, and in the Stranger — from the camper's hat with earflaps, which he composed himself and then repeatedly believed in it. In general, everyone chooses himself - who he should be, his own or - a stranger. And here it does not matter - with what posters, with cats or with Kandinsky.
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  1. builder74
    builder74 8 November 2013 07: 18 New
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    Always curious: where did such little people (Arina Kholina) come from in the USSR? The author is tremendous +
    1. andruha70
      andruha70 8 November 2013 09: 14 New
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      Always curious: where did such little people (Arina Kholina) come from in the USSR?
      such "little people" - have always been, are and will be. but the wise leadership of the Land of Soviets knew: even such "strangers" can benefit society - in the GULAGs wink
      1. Gari
        Gari 8 November 2013 11: 34 New
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        How the Motherland Begins
        Music: V. Basner Lyrics by: M. Matusovsky

        Where does the homeland begin?
        From the picture in your letter,
        With good and faithful comrades,
        Living in a nearby yard,

        Or maybe it starts
        From the song that our mother sang to us,
        Since in any tests
        We do not take anyone away.

        Where does the Motherland begin ...
        From the cherished bench at the gate,
        From the same birch tree in the field
        Under the wind bending, growing.

        Or maybe it starts
        Since the spring funeral of the starling
        And from this road country,
        Which you can not see the end.

        Where does the Motherland begin ...
        From the windows burning in the distance,
        With the old paternal Budyonnovka,
        That somewhere in the closet we found,

        Or maybe it starts
        From the knock of wagon wheels
        And with an oath, which in his youth
        You brought it to your heart.

        Where does the Motherland begin ...

        My one of my favorite songs from my favorite movie “Shield and Sword”, we were brought up on this.
      2. SPACE
        SPACE 8 November 2013 14: 07 New
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        Quote: andruha70
        such "little people" - have always been, are and will be. but the wise leadership of the Land of Soviets knew: even such "strangers" can benefit society - in the GULAGs

        How many labors it cost the NKVD and how many mistakes.
        That is what is good about democracy and glasnost, so it is that "on the thief and the hat is on fire", the invisible "stranger" is 10 times stronger.
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      3. ele1285
        ele1285 8 November 2013 15: 40 New
        +3
        Now in Europe, clay mines rule the ball, the State Administration of the Camp is resting. Treatment: NAPALM and only napalm on their Sodom and Gommor and a chocolate grenade
        1. Luger
          Luger 8 November 2013 16: 38 New
          +4
          You probably wanted to say gnomesy? Clays are very hard and honorable work in pottery.
          1. ele1285
            ele1285 8 November 2013 18: 08 New
            +2
            "Knead the clay", this is at the z / k. I mean that this is violence against nature. Sorry if you misunderstood
      4. mithridate
        mithridate 8 November 2013 15: 47 New
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        Arina Kholina is a typical representative of the fifth column. You can accurately guess who she is by nationality ...
        1. vladimirZ
          vladimirZ 8 November 2013 17: 01 New
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          Arina Kholina is a typical representative of the fifth column.


          Oh, not in vain, such representatives of the intelligentsia are called "the shit of the nation."
          1. ele1285
            ele1285 8 November 2013 21: 08 New
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            Lenin's phrase was stolen7
        2. ele1285
          ele1285 8 November 2013 18: 14 New
          +3
          You do not judge her by her ancestors, maybe she had worthy people in her family, although they take doubts. These are dad and mom worthless little people. They just dirty the country
          1. builder74
            builder74 15 November 2013 22: 44 New
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            Climbed into the Internet father A.Holina, an officer (1940-1946), two injured, then a poet / farmer. Something like this.
        3. Albert1988
          Albert1988 8 November 2013 22: 49 New
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          Quote: Mithridates
          You can accurately guess who she is by nationality ...

          Such people have no nationality! Nationality is largely determined by the person’s presence of a certain culture, language and commitment to certain traditions. And such arins of the choline - culture do not have any, with great reverence relate to the English language (i.e., a foreign language) and therefore speak with a huge number of slag Englishisms. And, of course, no traditions are recognized, unless regular nightclubs are considered as such. And who they are, so to speak, genetically no longer matters.
    2. Max_Bauder
      Max_Bauder 8 November 2013 13: 16 New
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      Well this is Cholina just mr ... zh !!!

      these are the ones who betray the Motherland when she needs help! I won’t be surprised if she
      - lives abroad
      - and the children learn from her there
      - loves glamor, gum club and house 2
      - and as the author put it, mates with whoever he wants
      - and as he wants
      - husband is a foreigner
      who is familiar with her biography, confirm or continue please

      It is necessary to adopt the law of all those who speak negatively about the history of their own country, by infecting others (like radical Islam) to close the entrance to the country, simply to expel them. Hai do not like do not live. Walking still persuades people, here with ... ka.

      If it were not for the ancestors of the grandfathers who defeated fascism, the mother of this Kholina and her entire female family would have been slaves of these Germans (the Germans would hardly be good now if the Third Reich had won), and the Germans would have made films of a pornographic nature with the theme of Russian fucking with a niger. , the Russian fucks with the donkey, but they themselves would say "will give ish fantastish."
      It is not for nothing that Bondarchuk shot in the film "Stalingrad" such a "bedding" who fell in love with a German who came to conquer and rape and hang after that. Apparently Bondarchuk knows what other representatives of the Big Country are capable of for the sake of a good life:
      - and betray the country by slandering history
      - and leave, leaving home
      - or stay not showing respect for compatriots

      PySy. At the beginning of the article, the author famously cited the moment about what is written today in fashionable glossy: how to steal a guy from a girlfriend!
      This is what the West offers us, now it’s fashionable to go on a heinous act!
      1. zub46
        zub46 8 November 2013 21: 26 New
        +3
        The problem with the Holins is quite old. Back in the mid 50s of the last century, the so-called. "dudes" were branded with verses of the following content "... today he listens to jazz, and tomorrow he will sell his homeland ...". Nothing changed. The less we pay ... attention to such b ..., the better it will be for society, especially young people. Otherwise, the effect of the "forbidden fruit" begins to work, and therefore attractive. Similarly, you need to build relationships with polemics about LGBT, or whatever.
    3. fzr1000
      fzr1000 8 November 2013 14: 25 New
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      The usual fifth column
    4. vober
      vober 8 November 2013 15: 45 New
      +7
      They were raised by their parents, who were then recruited by the consumerism in the USSR - chewing gum, rags, etc.
      1. zub46
        zub46 8 November 2013 21: 29 New
        +2
        About "chewing gum". Once upon a time in the USSR, almost in all seriousness, there was a rumor that a very rare chewing gum in our country was made by enterprising bourgeois from used condoms caught at sewage treatment plants. Like this.
      2. Albert1988
        Albert1988 8 November 2013 22: 54 New
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        Quote: vober
        They were raised by their parents, who were then recruited by the consumerism in the USSR - chewing gum, rags, etc.

        The most interesting thing is that the parents of so many of these kreakl in Soviet times were in the party and rolled like cheese in butter, and then raised the kids who destroyed the USSR, which gave them everything, privatized everything and began to water the former system with Mr. - for propaganda purposes - and then suddenly people will not appreciate the "wonderful free life" and want to restore justice ...
    5. ele1285
      ele1285 8 November 2013 18: 02 New
      +3
      I think the captain, of those gates from where the whole European people
    6. starshina78
      starshina78 8 November 2013 19: 37 New
      +9
      Or maybe that anger of Kholina in the USSR is as simple as a white sheet. She's just a loser! I tried to achieve something, it didn’t work, I can’t do anything else, but I don’t need to slander the USSR. I re-read articles from foreign newspapers of the past period, and let's scribble libel. Not good citizen! One tattered pug does not denigrate all the good that was in the USSR! But in the USSR everything was good! I can say this, I was born in 1955, and lived my entire conscious life in the USSR. I had a happy childhood, when starting from the age of five I ran away from home without fear of anyone or anything (there were no pedophile uncles then), we ran to forest for mushrooms, went hiking. I studied at a Soviet school, where they gave the best education. I graduated from one of the best universities in the country (without paying for education, and even getting a good scholarship). I served three years (I had to interrupt my education), defending the USSR. He got married, got one apartment at the factory, then another to improve conditions (the second child was born) and everything is free! And some kind of pug wants to ruin everything that was in the USSR. Will not work !
    7. vanaheym
      vanaheym 8 November 2013 21: 15 New
      +4
      Around from the same place as Novodvorskaya
  2. makarov
    makarov 8 November 2013 07: 25 New
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    "According to the zodiac of Libra, she was born on October 12, 1974 in a literary family: her father, Igor Kholin, was a poet of the so-called" Lianozovo school ", popular in the 60-90s of the XX century. The writer changed three universities - the Institute of Steel and Alloys , Russian State University for the Humanities (Faculty of Economics), MGIMO (Faculty of International Journalism) Versatile interests and constant search for "her own" - that's what distinguishes her from others.
    Arina Kholina is a person about whom they say: "I came, I saw, I won." .. A vivid example from her biography: leaving another institute (realizing that "this is not her"), Arina understands that she likes to write .. "

    She- just doesn't understand that IPRАTH and PИSAT, these are two different things.
    1. ele1285
      ele1285 8 November 2013 08: 22 New
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      Let Arina Kholina put a grenade in her mouth and pull out the ring.
      1. wow
        wow 8 November 2013 13: 19 New
        +4
        I agree, but not in the mouth but in another place ...!
      2. Proud.
        Proud. 8 November 2013 20: 15 New
        +3
        Quote: ele1285
        grenade and pull out the ring.

        Two. No! Three grenades!
      3. Rif
        Rif 8 November 2013 21: 06 New
        +3
        these are not their methods, they can be poked only with the backside, otherwise associates will not understand, and then everything as you wrote.
        Sincerely.
        1. ele1285
          ele1285 8 November 2013 23: 46 New
          +1
          Rif LT Shurik, this is not our method, you are a member of the Komsomol7Yes, Fedya, yes.
          Rif
          you can shove them from the back and from the front and the middle
      4. ele1285
        ele1285 8 November 2013 23: 37 New
        0
        minuser, I can't laugh, you GOD, your goal is a working head under the table, the idea is a black square, IQ-68 is decent for you, even a lot
      5. Realist58
        Realist58 9 November 2013 00: 58 New
        0
        There is a problem.
        The safety lever will not move. fool
        Warriors.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 9 November 2013 01: 02 New
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          That's the whole cimus. He will move away. But later. After passing the digestive tract
    2. tungus
      tungus 8 November 2013 10: 06 New
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      More from the biography. Father is a poet, mother is a swindler.
      In the Soviet Union, for the daughters of writers was a kind of definition-pislochka (writer's daughter abbr.). Well reflects the essence of the phenomenon. A sort of refined, egocentric, narcissistic creature. Initially, considering himself above others and with a constant claim that she, so divinely beautiful, was not given in life. They should have given, appreciated, exalted, and not given. Hence the resentment and hatred of others and the country in which she was born.
      1. Egoza
        Egoza 8 November 2013 10: 23 New
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        Quote: tungus
        More from the biography. Father is a poet, mother is a swindler.

        Further it is possible not to continue.
        Quote: tungus
        Initially, considering herself above others and with a constant claim that she, so divinely beautiful, was not given to her in life

        Well, having heard a lot of "voices" under the covers, what a person can not imagine! And by and large, all these bourgeoisie know only one thing - GIVE ME!
        But who issues this magazine? Whose money do scribblers pay?
    3. Russ69
      Russ69 8 November 2013 11: 50 New
      +3
      Quote: makarov
      She- simply does not understand what to WRITE and WRITE are two different things.

      Judging by her writings, for her there is no difference .... In both cases, the usual bowel movement and no more.
    4. Proud.
      Proud. 8 November 2013 20: 14 New
      +1
      Quote: makarov
      "I came, I saw, I won."

      I will allow myself a small correction: "I came, I saw, I HERED" or "I DID". Life credo is always!
    5. Realist58
      Realist58 9 November 2013 00: 50 New
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      Quote: makarov
      Arina Kholina - a person about whom they say: "I came, I saw, I FUCKED"
  3. JIaIIoTb
    JIaIIoTb 8 November 2013 07: 34 New
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    What does the homeland begin with? At His - “... from the old father’s budenovka that we found somewhere in the closet”, and at the Alien - from the camp ear flaps, which he composed for himself and then - he believed in it many times.

    I do not mind that "Aliens" would wear camp earflaps without taking off, since they only think about them.
  4. Sunjar
    Sunjar 8 November 2013 07: 38 New
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    People like Arina Kholina should be forcibly kicked out of our Motherland to America and Europe, so beloved by them, and those who violently resist, but continue to throw mud at our people and history, should be sent to psychiatric hospitals, as was done in the USSR. Here you can even come up with a diagnosis. After all, since you so hate your people (read your neighbors too), your history, etc., it is unbearable for you to live among "this cattle", but at the same time you persist in the proposed option to get out of Russia - then you are a sadomasochist; you really belong in the madhouse.
    1. vladsolo56
      vladsolo56 8 November 2013 08: 27 New
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      I agree that hatred of the USSR is a diagnosis of schizophrenia. Who does not want to be treated, forcibly over the hill. Yes, I criticized some things in the USSR, I criticize a lot in modern Russia, but this is only because I care about which country I live in and in which country my grandchildren will live. I have never identified the Homeland and the power, the power is changing, the Homeland is not.
    2. Egoza
      Egoza 8 November 2013 10: 31 New
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      Quote: Sunjar
      People like Arina Kholina should be forcibly kicked out of our homeland to America and Europe so beloved by them,

      Just let her first pay for tuition in three universities, where she was taught free of charge, at current prices! All "I could not find myself"! But it took someone's place! And someone talented, clever could not get an education on time, and this misunderstanding fluttered from university to university. And, forgive me, I don’t believe that daddy didn’t press on all his acquaintances in order to attach his "talented daughter".
    3. vlad0
      vlad0 8 November 2013 11: 56 New
      +8
      About 15 years ago, one of my older comrades (Ph.D. in Philosophy) brought up the theory of why such "strangers" were in psychiatric hospitals under the USSR: when all the people say that it is red, and one individual claims that it is white, and foaming at the mouth about this shouts at every corner, then where is his place ????
      It’s time for us to return such good practice.
      1. alone
        alone 8 November 2013 19: 21 New
        +5
        and if everyone says that it is red, but one with foam at the mouth shouts at every corner that it is white light, but in reality there is green. What to do with those "green" ones? laughing

        To be honest, the USSR was certainly a powerful state. Like any state in the USSR, there were also many positive and negative points. It definitely cannot be good. The trouble with people like Kholina and her friends is that you can’t throw mud at everything in the USSR. it is necessary to say good things about good, and bad things must be said bad. thoughts about the fact that there were no McDonald's in the USSR are not considered an argument.
    4. Selevc
      Selevc 8 November 2013 22: 50 New
      +1
      Dear Sunjar, you are not quite right ... For representatives of the 5th column, the very place is not in Europe but in Taiga !!! In Europe, they will pretend to be victims and the West only needs it ... They just have the place somewhere in the distant tundra - a broom or a shovel in hand and forward from dawn to dark to stick a bowl of balandans ... All their pathos usually takes off quickly at hand !!! There is such a breed of rotten intelligentsia - which only Lesopoval and Quarries need to be treated ...
      Stalin thus provided freedom within the barracks - just their place in life !!!
  5. patriot2
    patriot2 8 November 2013 07: 42 New
    +8
    Quote: makarov
    She- simply does not understand what to WRITE and WRITE are two different things.

    And that's it! laughing
    But the author - Galina Ivankina thanks for the article! smile
  6. predator.3
    predator.3 8 November 2013 07: 42 New
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    Strange, but my USSR defeated the Nazis and launched a man into space

    . A friend of mine regularly recites the mantra that he is ashamed to live in a country that did not repent for the famine, for collectivization, for the Gulag, for ... empty regiments and the omnipresent Glory of the CPSU.


    If there had been no Stalinist collectivization and industrialization, then there would have been no May 45th, and Gagarin’s flight! And the war would end in the 41st somewhere in the Urals, with the subsequent division of the USSR between Japan and Germany!
    1. Ptah
      Ptah 8 November 2013 08: 38 New
      +1
      Quote: predator.3
      If there had been no Stalinist collectivization and industrialization, then there would have been no May 45th, and Gagarin’s flight

      Of course, "history does not accept the subjunctive mood"but -
      Do you think that Russia would not have followed the path of industrialization, following the example of Europe at that time, and without the events of 17? Without a "letter train" with "citizens of america" ​​and the following slogans.
      Maybe there would have been no "October 17th", then there would have been no need to hold the Parade on Red Square in November 1941?
      1. Poppy
        Poppy 8 November 2013 09: 45 New
        +3
        definitely wouldn’t have passed, Russia was lagging behind Europeans at an accelerating pace and by the 30s would have become a colony
        1. bolonenkov
          bolonenkov 8 November 2013 10: 34 New
          -22 qualifying.
          Learn the history of your country, and the numbers too. In many respects, the USSR caught up with the Empire only towards the end of the 50s, and before the war it lagged very far behind in all respects.

          Stolypin's reforms just gave Russia a chance, and all he asked for was a decade of rest, but human instincts "I want here and now" and "Take and divide" were stronger than a sober view of things.

          And yes
          Quote: Poppy
          lagging behind Europeans at an accelerating pace

          This is complete nonsense, it is enough to compare the statistics by years, our lag was narrowing, and in fact by 30m or 40m we would be if not ahead of Europe, then certainly not far behind. Actually, the USSR turned out to be there, at the cost of repressions, millions of deaths in the civil war, two famines, slave labor of people and other methods of that time.
          1. Egoza
            Egoza 8 November 2013 10: 50 New
            18
            Minus you! And your advice - "learn the history of your country!
            Stolypin began his reforms with the 1906 year! And in the first world in which year did the tsarist government get involved? Or is it also the Bolsheviks to blame? A country destroyed by war, civil war, the Entente (somehow you forgot about it) could only be raised with tough measures! Do you have a specific version of the opposite? Suggest, consider for fun, HOW IT WAS.

            Quote: bolonenkov
            two famines

            But this is really no way! There was famine, famine, especially on a national basis - there wasn’t! But there was famine in Europe and America, and at the same time! Only nowhere else in the USA and Europe do they declare it a famine! Only here! Yes, and they require repentance! am
            1. bolonenkov
              bolonenkov 8 November 2013 11: 54 New
              -13 qualifying.
              Quote: Egoza
              Stolypin began his reforms since 1906! And in the first world in which year did the tsarist government get involved?

              You were offered the real numbers of industrial growth to compare over the period of the Stolypin reforms and the similar period of the Soviet ones, and you will see that despite the fact that Russia fought with Germany, our factories worked, and after the revolution a lot had to be rebuilt.
              Quote: Egoza
              But this is really no way! The famine was, famine

              As I understand it, the fact that before the revolution Russia did just what Europe did, you do not deny it, but you can easily find open sources about hunger in the Volga region and Ukraine.

              Srach in the comments, I do not intend to develop with you, since I argue from the position of "if", and you are already post factum, and whatever one may say, the real facts, in contrast to my hypothetical ones, are on your side.

              My message was that it is not necessary to start a revolution, to exterminate ourselves according to the principle of "friend or foe", "red-white", "nashist-liberal" and so on, and two decades of calm and purposeful work will bring much more and less at a cost than jerking for three to five years after 10-15 years of hesitation
              1. Ustas
                Ustas 8 November 2013 13: 26 New
                +8
                Quote: bolonenkov
                Russia

                Only for one is it a minus to you. Here either Russia or Russia.
                Quote: bolonenkov
                and actually about hunger in the Volga region and in Ukraine, you can easily find it in open sources.

                Now in open sources there is so much falsification that such sources cannot be trusted. For example, I believe myself, my feelings, for I myself have lived and seen what the Soviet Union is. That Union, not like today's Russia, was kinder, people were open and kind. Because "WE" was more important than "I".
                And there was no famine, there was famine, but not the genocide of its people. But famine in Russia happened periodically, and in tsarist times.
                Risky farming zone. The climate, you know, is continental. That’s why I, in addition to history, will advise you to study geography as well.
                1. bolonenkov
                  bolonenkov 8 November 2013 13: 43 New
                  -7
                  Quote: Ustas
                  Only for one is it a minus to you. Here either Russia or Russia.

                  Oh, for this I sprinkle goov with ashes, not spices


                  Quote: Ustas
                  There are so many falsifications in open sources that such sources cannot be trusted. For example, I believe in myself, my feelings, because I myself lived and saw what the Soviet Union was.

                  It is ingenious to compare the Empire and the USSR by personal feelings

                  Quote: Ustas
                  That Union, not an example of today's Russia, was kinder, people were open and kind.

                  What is what is, and I do not want to object)

                  Quote: Ustas
                  And there was no famine, there was famine, but not the genocide of its people. But famine in Russia happened periodically, and in tsarist times.

                  When was genocide in Russia?

                  Quote: Ustas
                  Because "WE" was more important than "I".

                  Your words, yes to everyone’s ears)) Without irony

                  Quote: Ustas
                  Risky farming zone. The climate, you know, is continental. That’s why I, in addition to history, will advise you to study geography as well.

                  We know, sir, we understand, but it’s more about the question of comparing the Empire and the USSR.

                  Have you seen where the conversation came from?
                  Quote: bolonenkov
                  My message was that it is not necessary to start a revolution, to exterminate ourselves according to the principle of "friend or foe", "red-white", "nashist-liberal" and so on, and two decades of calm and purposeful work will bring much more and less at a cost than jerking for three to five years after 10-15 years of hesitation
              2. revnagan
                revnagan 8 November 2013 15: 42 New
                +1
                Quote: bolonenkov
                I argue from the position of "if only"

                If my grandmother had male primary sexual characteristics, she would be a grandfather. And for some reason I prefer to believe the statistics given by S.G. Kara-Murza in his book "Soviet Civilization" ... And where do you get your data?
            2. ele1285
              ele1285 8 November 2013 12: 03 New
              +3
              BOLONENKOV has a complex of mixed Ukrainian
              1. bolonenkov
                bolonenkov 8 November 2013 12: 09 New
                -2
                No, the purpose of my message was completely different, thanks for trolling, haven’t been joking so flat for a long time
                1. ele1285
                  ele1285 8 November 2013 12: 30 New
                  +3
                  This is not trolling or a joke, this is a response to TWO Holodomors. But it's good that you have a sense of humor, so all is not lost.
          2. Wolf 1
            Wolf 1 8 November 2013 12: 47 New
            +4
            [quote = bolonenkov] Learn the history of your country, and the numbers too. In many respects, the USSR caught up with the Empire only towards the end of the 50s, and before the war it lagged very far behind in all respects.

            announce the entire list please ...
            1. bolonenkov
              bolonenkov 8 November 2013 13: 56 New
              -2
              Quote: Wolf-1
              announce the entire list please ...


              The branch was completely different)))

              Quote: bolonenkov
              My message was that it is not necessary to start a revolution, to exterminate ourselves according to the principle of "friend or foe", "red-white", "nashist-liberal" and so on, and two decades of calm and purposeful work will bring much more and less at a cost than jerking for three to five years after 10-15 years of hesitation
              1. Wolf 1
                Wolf 1 9 November 2013 23: 13 New
                +1
                This is clear. The thing is different: you need to carefully think over this calm work, then ensure order in the country even more carefully at the time of its implementation. The Russian Empire did not do this and missed time. So a popular rebellion was inevitable. And as always, during such events, ardent representatives of everything and everyone appear, wreaking havoc and death around them.
          3. Bigriver
            Bigriver 8 November 2013 14: 47 New
            +4
            Quote: bolonenkov
            ... our lag was narrowing, and actually by 30m or 40m we would be if not ahead of Europe, then certainly not far behind ...

            I will support, with the amendment "if not for the 1st World War."
            Actually, it was the dynamics of the Russian economy, and especially the VERY impressive demography that made the Angles invest in the Russian revolutionary movement.
          4. Proud.
            Proud. 8 November 2013 20: 44 New
            +1
            Quote: bolonenkov
            Learn the history of your country

            We teach, dear, we teach! That is why we are not fooled by a mixture of lies and arrogance. And what is this bad habit to start a commentary with the instructive phrase: "learn history"?
            Quote: bolonenkov
            In many respects, the USSR caught up with the Empire only towards the end of the 50s, and before the war it lagged very far behind in all respects.
            This is a lie, a lie, a lie, a lie. This is me about all the indicators. And the comparison is incorrect. In the Empire under the name of the USSR, there were much more industrial enterprises than in the Russian Empire, including completely new industries.
            Quote: bolonenkov
            at the cost of repression, millions of deaths in the civil war, two famines, slave labor of people and other methods of that time.

            You must have seized the folding tribune, to sell the mossy garbage to us? will listen with delight.
      2. Uncle lee
        Uncle lee 8 November 2013 11: 08 New
        10
        And you do not consider this option: If it were not for the "events of 17" and the Bolsheviks of the USSR did not gather, then even before 41 they pulled the Entente and other Russia into separate principalities, and until now these principalities were fighting among themselves, who is cooler and more important ... Or were a colony of the German Reich, Great Britain, the USA, Japan and everyone who managed to snatch a piece from Russia? Which option do you prefer?
        1. Ptah
          Ptah 8 November 2013 11: 38 New
          +5
          "Bolsheviks" are a derivative of the "events of 17", and the initiators of the same events. Hence the scavenger vultures in the form of the Entente, on whose money the above events took place.
          The Russian Empire at the end of the 19th century absolutely did not need any "revolutions". And as for "specific principalities, which wanted to gnaw between themselves" is generally complete.
          As for the "Third Reich", then before its full formation at that time there were still two decades, after 14 years for Germany the task was simply to SURVIVE, which she successfully did without the "RED communists".
          And Russia would have had enough of this time, in power to catch up and OVERCOME both the European powers and America with its "GREAT depression".
          What "option is to my liking" I have already said more than once, which Elena-Egoza said above. Regarding Stolypin's reforms.
          Isn't that what they are hoping for now in Mr. Putin? Only with him, the majority "open pipelines and skolkovo", and not machine-building enterprises and new transport routes.
          Therefore, expect not a "technological breakthrough", but a general mobilization with new weapons to protect the "PEOPLE'S WEALTH" and the subsoil that does not belong to you.
          1. Uncle lee
            Uncle lee 8 November 2013 13: 32 New
            10
            About Mr. Putin and the pipelines, this is another story. We argue about 17 and 41 years. The revolution of 17 years was predetermined by the very history of the Russian state, tsarism has outlived itself. And not the Bolsheviks overthrew the tsar, but were able to collect the fragments of the empire in the USSR. And the 41-45 year showed that a fairly strong union, since they were able to survive and win the Second World War. And everything else is from the evil one.
      3. 528Obrp
        528Obrp 8 November 2013 13: 58 New
        +2
        Quote: Ptah
        Maybe there would be no "October 17th" you wouldn’t have to hold a Parade on Red Square in November 1941?

        Poland, France and all of Europe... They didn't have "October 17th" So what?
        1. Uncle lee
          Uncle lee 8 November 2013 15: 05 New
          +8
          There was a revolution in France too, and they still celebrate Bastille Day earlier than in Russia. And "Marseillaise" was invented by the French.
          1. 528Obrp
            528Obrp 8 November 2013 15: 37 New
            -2
            Quote: Uncle Lee
            In France, too, there was a revolution and earlier,

            Yes, in principle, I do not argue with you! This is not the point, The point is in the Second World War and World War II
            quote Ptah suggests that the Second World War could not have been if not for October 17 Maybe there would have been no "October 17th", then there would have been no need to hold the Parade on Red Square in November 1941?
            1. Ptah
              Ptah 8 November 2013 15: 55 New
              +1
              Quote: 528Obrp
              quote Ptah suggests

              That is exactly what I suppose. Can you refute or whisper about me?
              During my studies, as part of a course in political science, such "assumptions", or rather analyzes of what happened, did not cause me any surprise, let alone sarcastic laughs.
              1. 528Obrp
                528Obrp 8 November 2013 16: 17 New
                -2
                Quote: Ptah
                Quote: 528Obrp
                quote Ptah suggests

                Quote: Ptah
                That’s how I guess

                Quote: Ptah
                such "assumptions", or rather analyzes of what happened

                It is commendable when you are so self-critical about yourself.
              2. 528Obrp
                528Obrp 8 November 2013 16: 35 New
                -2
                528Obrp -quote Ptah suggests
                Ptah - That's exactly what I guess
                Ptah Such "assumptions", or rather analyzes of what happened, did not cause me any surprise, or even more malicious laughs.
                Still would lol
        2. Ptah
          Ptah 8 November 2013 15: 46 New
          +4
          Quote: 528Obrp
          Poland, France and all of Europe. They didn't have "October 17th" So what?

          That's it......
          So what?
          Poland was conquered in 27 days, France in 38, Norway in 23 days, Greece in 21 days, Belgium in 18, Yugoslavia in 12, Holland in 5 days, Denmark in 24 hours. Is it worth talking about such "warriors"?
          US military experts predicted that the Russians would last no more than three months. British Prime Minister Churchill predicted: "Hitler will solve the problem of Russia in six weeks."
          London radio in those days reported: “Poland was conquered in 27 days, and the Germans took several houses in 29 days in Stalingrad. In 38 days France was conquered, and in Stalingrad during this time the Nazis advanced from one side of the street to the other. ”
          In November 41, the listed "sovereignties" did not exist "de jure" at all. So what?
          1. 528Obrp
            528Obrp 8 November 2013 16: 01 New
            +1
            Quote: Ptah
            Poland was conquered in 27 days, France in 38, Norway in 23 days, Greece in 21 days, Belgium in 18, Yugoslavia in 12, Holland in 5 days, Denmark in 24 hours. Is it worth talking about such "warriors"?

            Well, I'm falling from you. So I am about the same! lol So with all this, Germany started the war as a kitten, swallowed almost the entire industrial potential of Europe. With its production, technology and raw materials. For the Union there simply could not be another beginning of the war. And the parade at 41 is a symbol. Near Moscow, the countdown for Germany started, it lost the second world war already at 41. It doesn’t matter when the parade took place in November or December or June. It would have taken place anyway!

            PS
            phrase "Maybe there would have been no October 17, then there would have been no need to hold the Parade on Red Square in November 1941?"
            it is interpreted in two ways: if there hadn’t been a revolution, then there would have been no war
            that is, "the revolution is to blame." Now it is fashionable with the liberals.
            1. Uncle lee
              Uncle lee 8 November 2013 16: 17 New
              10
              Fascist Germany lost the war of the USSR, and not what other power! soldier
              1. Ptah
                Ptah 9 November 2013 00: 35 New
                +2
                Quote: Uncle Lee
                Fascist Germany lost the war of the USSR, and not what other power!

                YES!!!!!
                And this is undeniable and not negotiable !!!! At least between us. I am sure about that. That's it, point!
                One can argue about the reasons for the confrontation amid close friendship with the Soviet Union until the age of 39. The farther - the more documents that Hitler broke his head (by his stupidity) about RUSSIA.
                Per to the "Red Council of Deputies", and f * cked about UNITED RUSSIA. So that does not exclude the possibility of avoiding or weakening the terrible summer losses of the Red Army in the 41st year.

                I apologize, wrote and thought. A very sloppy topic, already beyond the scope of the subject ............... hi
                1. Uncle lee
                  Uncle lee 9 November 2013 05: 57 New
                  +6
                  Yes, the losses were terrible. Dad told how they were draping in 41. But nevertheless, they gathered and brought Adya to the funnel in the Reich Chancellery! And eternal glory to the heroes!
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    3. Poppy
      Poppy 8 November 2013 09: 43 New
      12
      you will be surprised, but not everyone thinks so
      just yesterday, he engaged in a dispute in another forum with a fully-grown woman who believes that Pétain did the right thing and Stalin didn’t - Pétain surrendered France and she supposedly now lives well and richly, and we have lost a lot of people and we live worse than France
      those. a man sincerely believes that it was necessary to give up
      1. Egoza
        Egoza 8 November 2013 10: 38 New
        14
        Quote: Poppy
        Petain surrendered France and she supposedly now lives well and richly, but we have lost a lot of people and we live worse than France

        And it does not take into account that if the Soviet army had not liberated Europe, then there would have been no France. There would be one big brothel for the fascists! And for some reason, the French still glorify General De Gaulle, and curse Pétain! And France does not live so richly and well. Our "fault" is only that after the war a lot of Europe was helped by the breadth of the Russian soul. Well, we do not know how to spit on everyone and think only about ourselves.
      2. ele1285
        ele1285 8 November 2013 12: 08 New
        +4
        And when they beat her children, she should smile sweetly, because then everything will be fine. The psychology of this "adult" woman is slavish.
      3. Wolf 1
        Wolf 1 8 November 2013 12: 45 New
        +7
        Quote: Poppy
        you will be surprised, but not everyone thinks so
        just yesterday, he engaged in a dispute in another forum with a fully-grown woman who believes that Pétain did the right thing and Stalin didn’t - Pétain surrendered France and she supposedly now lives well and richly, and we have lost a lot of people and we live worse than France
        those. a man sincerely believes that it was necessary to give up

        ------- fools in Russia for 100 years ahead in store ©
  7. amicus
    amicus 8 November 2013 07: 47 New
    10
    Respect for the author! Here is the name, probably the most suitable - ALIEN. One such ... alien (a certain Voinovich V.N.) also ducked about the need for our national repentance ... Ivan, in their opinion, is always to blame for everything. Ivan is an animal. .But only this does not prevent them (strangers) from "sitting on the neck" of this fool. "It is sweet to eat and to sleep well .." as comrade Zheglov said.
    1. Anper
      Anper 8 November 2013 12: 05 New
      +7
      But something else is surprising - the country of the USSR has not existed for more than 20 years. Those who wanted to eat sweetly and sleep soundly had already gotten drunk and slept, spat on everything they could, tattered everything they could. Since none of this "elite" even lifts a finger without money, they can only write such things, feeding with someone. - then the hands. A hand won't give money just like that - you can shit on your opponent only if you are very much afraid of the opponent. It turns out that the USSR, or rather its adherents, are still feared, and very much. Pocheiu?
  8. Hort
    Hort 8 November 2013 07: 57 New
    +8
    Author Galina Ivankina
    ,
    I rephrase a little:
    "And God save you - do not read ultra-liberal newspapers until lunchtime"

    By the way, such individuals really in the USSR received earflaps, camp shkonka or forced psychotherapy. Because they tried to protect them from a healthy society.

    And now freedom, you can bark at anything, the main thing is to do it right and with enthusiasm - then the beau monde will appreciate and give a denyuzhku at some embassy.
    In my opinion, there should be a unified standard approach to such holins and the like: ignoring their activities and "creativity". Do not buy their magazines, do not read their LJ (and even more so do not enter into polemics with them), ignore their activities and all kinds of events. Let them boil in their swamp and emanate bile and anger. Normal people have something to do at this time - from raising children in the right way to socially useful activities.
    1. rexby63
      rexby63 8 November 2013 13: 04 New
      +4
      I’ll even continue: "And if you care about your digestion, my good advice is: do not talk about democracy and medicine at dinner. And - God forbid you - do not read liberal newspapers before dinner."
  9. amicus
    amicus 8 November 2013 08: 04 New
    +5
    Quote: hort
    In my opinion, there should be a unified standard approach to such holins and the like: ignoring their activities and "creativity".
    No, I guess it’s impossible to ignore.
    Because there are a lot of such "hohlins" in the media and in the government. The time is right for them now ...
    I think it’s possible and necessary to shut their throats! Nobody canceled counter propaganda laughing
  10. Neighbor
    Neighbor 8 November 2013 08: 17 New
    +5
    There was a creative country, how much enthusiasm was there. They went to Komsomol construction sites to assert themselves,
  11. major071
    major071 8 November 2013 08: 18 New
    +8
    People like Cholina, although they scam all in a row, but love, is in the spotlight. He will write an article and wait, hiding, giggling and rubbing his hands, what kind of reaction will people have on my imperishable pearls? To speak and prove to such people is useless. To take her away from people, creating a human and informational vacuum around her and everything, she will gobble up herself from anger. Better yet, lock her with Novodvorskaya and see how two spiders coexist in the bank. laughing
    1. kush62
      kush62 8 November 2013 11: 13 New
      +3
      Quote: He writes an article and waits hiding, giggling and rubbing his hands, what kind of reaction will people have on my imperishable pearls?

      Very much it reminds the old woman Shapoklyak. Therefore, they do not like Soviet cartoons.
  12. amicus
    amicus 8 November 2013 08: 25 New
    +2
    They will love each other ... A raven is a crow ... will not peck. Well raven crow .... laughing
    1. ele1285
      ele1285 8 November 2013 12: 11 New
      +1
      Quote: amicus
      They will love each other ... A raven is a crow ... will not peck. Well raven crow .... laughing
      They will love each other both actively and passively, and at the feeder both eyes and hair will tear apart one another.
  13. survivor
    survivor 8 November 2013 08: 30 New
    +7
    my wife was born that late, before Yeltsin, the USSR and often confuses the beginning of the 80s with the mid 90s. for her, a little girl at that time, the USSR, a kind of concentration camp with a bunch of hardships and hunger. I’m the generation of the 70s and I remember everything that was good in the USSR! and often argue)))
    1. lelikas
      lelikas 8 November 2013 08: 39 New
      +3
      The lady is 39 years old - she must remember everything, it can be seen in literary families that children are brought up with books, exclusively on the head.
      1. Egoza
        Egoza 8 November 2013 10: 57 New
        +6
        Quote: lelikas
        seen in literary families children are brought up with books, exclusively on the head.

        Excuse me, do you remember a poet like her father? Something I don't really remember! Probably, the parental hatred of the unrecognized "genius" was also added! well, of course! Some blind Asadov, "smelly front-line soldier" is being printed, but he is not! And most importantly, IT IS READED !!! They memorize poetry by heart, but the genius of Kholin - no! Definitely - unworthy around!
  14. tank64rus
    tank64rus 8 November 2013 08: 36 New
    +6
    Such "cultural figures" V.I. Lenin long ago gave an absolutely precise definition of this g ... but. Live and hate the country in which you were born and live and drool over love for the USA. By the way, how much money is there for this madam and the like.
  15. amicus
    amicus 8 November 2013 08: 36 New
    +3
    Quote: survivor
    I’m the generation of the 70s and I remember everything that was good in the USSR! and often argue)))

    I agree .. and you look what they show about the 80s. On a TV series .. with that name .. from one advertisement of this opus I want, it feels like it's a fantasy on a free topic ... Heroes are stupid people alone .. laughing
  16. Marek Rozny
    Marek Rozny 8 November 2013 09: 05 New
    15
    Russians, why do you stand on ceremony with them? Society must show all balabolians who hate the state in which they live that their stay in the country is undesirable. Let them get out and not spoil the air in your country. And then let these "refugees" and "forced migrants in the USA" accuse you of nationalism, savagery, or something else. In Kazakhstan, the bulk of such "holins" were squeezed out in the 90s - it became much easier to build the country. And you squeeze them out, they will not bring anything good to your country and Russian society. The sooner you squeeze out your "patriophobes", the better it will be for normal Russia. Otherwise, they will not rest until they break Russia into "democratic" bantustans.
    1. mithridate
      mithridate 8 November 2013 16: 07 New
      +1
      or squeeze, or isolate in prison under any (legal) pretexts - non-payment of taxes, hooliganism, etc. etc.
      1. Marek Rozny
        Marek Rozny 8 November 2013 17: 43 New
        +3
        Quote: Mithridates
        or squeeze, or isolate in prison under any (legal) pretexts - non-payment of taxes, hooliganism, etc. etc.

        not. it will be a completely wrong fight with such people. they will only gain the halo of martyrs and fighters with a totalitarian regime. what for you need it?
        it is better to let every normal Russian be constantly on the street, on forums, at work to explain to them that it is better for them to dump a pick-up. we must make them feel uncomfortable in Russia. do they like "European values"? well, so let them knock down there. Suitcase-station-Brussels.
        people should live in the country who love their country and are proud of it, and not smear it with shit. no matter what nationality a person has, the main thing is their attitude to their native country.
        in Kazakhstan in the 90s such hoopoes that splashed everything around them with grumbling were even more than in Russia. and their grumbling infected others. but the Kazakhs, as the main people of Kazakhstan, constantly made it clear to these whiners and elevators that if they do not like Kazakhstan, then let them knock on all four sides. and they were leaving. with grievances, claims, with curses, with insults towards the remaining, but as soon as the critical mass of these stinks fell, then society really began to change for the better. it turns out that things went well in the economy, and the streets became cleaner, and the story is not so terrible, and the future began to look more optimistic. when no one under the ear itches: "Our country is g_vno! The history of our country is g_vno! All our politicians are g_vno! All our people are idlers and g_vno!"immediately begins to succeed.
        Squeeze out whiners, pessimists and other people with a defeatist mentality, even if they think of themselves as "golden-handed and golden-headed." And don't be afraid that a lot of people will leave. One should rejoice when such stinkers leave the country. Otherwise, they will really turn your entire Russian society against each other.
  17. Tartary
    Tartary 8 November 2013 09: 38 New
    +7
    Excellent article!
    At times, shots of m / f Oh and Ah slipped between the lines ... From a happy childhood, by the way ...

    Anyway, if you recall the plots of Soviet cartoons, you can clearly define yours and strangers, never having gone astray ...

    For example, "Hedgehog in the Fog", well, isn't it about the individuals from our "Fifth Column" wandering in the darkness of their own brain?

    Or here's another - "The Mystery of the Country of Strawberries" ... Well, after all, it is clear and understandable what's what even for a child's still not entirely reasonable mind ...

    The ghouls-parents simply did not allow the hike to watch cartoons, but read "Sowing" to them for the night, and then included "Good night, kids" instead of "Good night, kids", as an alternative - "Voice of America" ​​... and so that the neighbors would not hear their "truth" , covered the child with a blanket ... Hence, children's enuresis and other brain sores ...)))

    From after all, some kind of crap ...
  18. Korzhik_77
    Korzhik_77 8 November 2013 09: 44 New
    +9
    The author is a huge plus !!!
    Brightly, figuratively about parallel worlds - I am also from the USSR-1 love
  19. stalkerwalker
    stalkerwalker 8 November 2013 09: 58 New
    +8
    I didn’t minus the article, but dividing into Ours and Aliens, to put it mildly, is alarming.

    Kholina, Albats, Chirikova, Ksenia-horse, Alekseev and others like them ... Interestingly, did they give birth to children? Did you know maternal happiness?

    ... Here, we had the second place in the world in terms of education, ...
    And here is the big question. The Soviet school is the best school in the world.
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    2. hommer
      hommer 8 November 2013 13: 36 New
      +5
      Quote: stalkerwalker
      Kholina, Albats, Chirikova, Ksenia-horse, Alekseev and others like them ... Interestingly, did they give birth to children? Did you know maternal happiness?


      Or maybe it’s right that they did not give birth? And then they would have grown and brought up on our head more ...

  20. bolonenkov
    bolonenkov 8 November 2013 10: 22 New
    +4
    I am very glad that we have people who are able to articulate the idea so clearly. I especially liked

    ... reference-perfect societies are present exclusively in the dreams of utopian philosophers or in the books of some optimistic science fiction writers. It is not a matter of whether the Soviet Union was good or bad. It is not a matter of sausage or poetry about Lenin. Just one person remembers the line to the museum, and the other - the line for sausage.


    In much the same way, the current dissenting or Internet trolls are trying to constantly impose on people "the queue for sausage" so that they forget about the "queue for the museum." Well, or on a live example

    They shout that over 10 years the population has decreased by 3,5 million, silent that it has been growing for three years now and has grown by 1,3 million.

    Or the fact that in the Russian Federation
    NEW kindergartens are opened and old ones are expanded and repaired at 20-25 per week [/ b], which, in principle, was not in the 90s
    Part 1 http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/27495/
    Part 2 http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/27516/
    Part 3 http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/27530/
    Part 4 http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/27596/
    According to official figures, during the past (2012) academic year, 549 NEW educational institutions were commissioned, of which 431 were preschool educational institutions. + put into operation after a downtime, or overhaul gardens, where it becomes possible to increase the number of groups.

    But the "snobs" will only yell at you about the queue in these very kindergartens.
  21. Begemot
    Begemot 8 November 2013 10: 43 New
    +9
    Put "+". At least a little femininely emotionally, it is quite precisely defined: who is his own, who is a stranger. I lived in the USSR for 33 years, and did not notice that honest and decent people were persecuted or repressed. If you were not a shopkeeper, a moonshiner, a blacksmith, a currency dealer, if you didn’t shout "Freedom to dissidents" at every corner without even knowing why they were being pressed, you had nothing to fear. Yes, there were many reasons for criticism, but this is normal, it is normal in any country under any system. I did not feel like an enslaved scoop, although I was constantly in the field of view of the KGB due to the work on regime projects. And most importantly, it was much more comfortable for me to live then than now.
  22. deman73
    deman73 8 November 2013 10: 55 New
    +7
    An excellent article, I am proud that I was born and raised in the USSR, and these liberals should simply be sent to the New Earth, even if they live there in their filthy little world and mutate slowly
  23. polly
    polly 8 November 2013 10: 56 New
    13
    On the map of the former Union,
    With a crashing rumble in the chest
    I stand. I'm not crying, I'm not praying
    But there is simply no strength to leave.
    I iron the mountains, iron the river
    I touch the fingers of the seas.
    Like closing my eyelids
    My unhappy homeland ...
    N. Zinoviev
  24. Andrey Peter
    Andrey Peter 8 November 2013 11: 09 New
    +7
    Great article thanks to the author. And then I noticed that even many regular visitors to this site were apparently born in the "USSR-2". And arguing with them is often useless, apparently their brains are arranged differently. I am glad only that they are much less.
    1. Peaceful military
      Peaceful military 8 November 2013 13: 48 New
      +4
      Quote: Andrey Peter
      Great article thanks to the author. And then I noticed that even many regular visitors to this site were apparently born in the "USSR-2". And arguing with them is often useless, apparently their brains are arranged differently. I am glad only that they are much less.

      But because there are few of them, they are incredibly loud and "smelly".
  25. runway
    runway 8 November 2013 11: 23 New
    +1
    I do not subscribe to the magazine "Snob" and others like it. Because I know what quality and what content and for whom notes are printed there. They cannot be called articles - sheer gossip and a lot of stupid pictures to attract the attention of women of Balzac age. If I write out, or buy some kind of magazine, it means that I finance it and thereby SUPPORT. Author went further - she discusses these notes. Even criticizing them, thereby she ADVERTISES them already on this site .... So whose mill the author of this article is pouring water on?
    1. kaktus
      kaktus 8 November 2013 16: 40 New
      +1
      Quote: piston
      The author went further - she discusses these notes. Even criticizing them, thereby she ADVERTISES them already on this site .... So whose mill the author of this article is pouring water on?

      Enemies, i.e. strangers need to know angry
  26. gendarm
    gendarm 8 November 2013 11: 29 New
    +5
    Hatred of the history of one's country, hatred of one's country and one's people is typical of the so-called "agents of influence", which are the majority of "liberals" -anti-Sovietists who advocate familiarizing with the "universal values" of the dying Western civilization. Education, ideological "pumping" and material support of such people, expansion of this "residency" is one of the tasks of "foreign agents".
  27. Samsebenaum
    Samsebenaum 8 November 2013 12: 12 New
    +5
    I liked the article. Hooked.
    Indeed, we divided into 2 camps with opposing views on our recent past.
    The era of the USSR. Some consider her criminal, others - glorious and heroic.
    Among us there should not be friends and strangers, there can only be different opinions.
    And I want to note - the opposite views of the people on the past do not have a party affiliation. In this argument, truth will not be born.
    Of all the political movements, social liberalism is closer to me (see Wikipedia).
    Therefore, for me it is important to have a strong state and a decent quality of life.
    In my comments, as many have noticed, I often criticize the actions of the current authorities, which divide and sell the state. property and resources, deliberately causing permanent damage to the country.
    Yes, at the same time something will be built, something will improve, but this is how to plant trees without roots. So, visibility is one ....
    What kind of strong state in this case can be discussed at all ...
    In this regard, the USSR was the standard of a strong state institution.
    I’m generally silent about the social side. Now everyone is surviving as best he can. And if you can’t? All rights and laws are in the interests of the rich. Poor - beggarly benefits comparable only to the most backward countries of the black continent.
    For all its shortcomings, the USSR is clearly superior to modern Russia on this point.
    I'm not talking about free education, etc.
    How much I was proud of the USSR, it hurts so much for Russia.
    I finish because the theme is endless.
  28. Ustas
    Ustas 8 November 2013 12: 54 New
    +7
    "... any citizen could reproach himself for working for the dirty Soviet regime."

    And I am proud that I lived and worked for the benefit of our common Soviet Motherland.
  29. Ezhaak
    Ezhaak 8 November 2013 13: 12 New
    +5
    I read and remember. There were many like Choline! We had one woman at work. Talk about what I loved about it. And also about, Ah, Tarkovsky, Oh Tarkovsky, Oh Tarkovsky, Oh Tarkovsky. I heard about the death of the director so beloved by her: Tanya, I sympathize, Tarkovsky died. :( In reply: NU and what, think! And so they are all polls, they only think about how to present themselves, the rest is nothing!
  30. Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 8 November 2013 13: 27 New
    +5
    The phenomenon of a part of the Russian urban population, calling themselves an incomprehensible, non-Russian, but ingrained vocabulary by the intelligentsia and thereby making themselves special (that's why I call them individuals). They unwittingly rank themselves among the small-scale / penniless nobility of the Republic of Ingushetia, among whom there has been hatred of Russia and the Russian for 200 years, against the background of incredible reverence for everything Western. Today's individuals are exactly the same. "Rashka", "scoop", "", etc. these are their code words. So nothing new.
    Everything is based on the same thing as the abomination of our titular, oldest ukr_s, US citizens, Germans of the 3rd Reich - faith in exclusivity.
  31. ammunition
    ammunition 8 November 2013 13: 37 New
    +6
    Why did the liberals decide that we do not understand Kandinsky ??
    We perfectly understand! How flaky!

    In all the subtleties, we understand such a bastard. And Gelmanov .. and Chubais .. Like flaky.
    ------------
    And what is there to not understand?
  32. virm
    virm 8 November 2013 14: 12 New
    +5
    Alien ... if it comes to the confrontation between Germany and the USSR, he will certainly betray: “In fact, Hitler and Stalin were the same, but ...
    And he will say that the German soldiers, in the 41st, were good. They were simply forced. And our population met them with flowers.
    And he will talk about the atrocities of Russian soldiers in Germany in the 45th.
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  33. ele1285
    ele1285 8 November 2013 14: 36 New
    +2
    I read it in touch, judge for yourself.
    The close circle of the President of the country Vladimir Putin is dissatisfied with the results of the work of Vladimir Medinsky, who was in charge of the Government personally for supervising the filming of the film "Stalingrad" by Fyodor Bondarchuk. Putin personally set Medinsky the task of doing everything so that a film "glorifying the spirit of the Russian people on the example of the Battle of Stalingrad and carrying a patriotic fervor among the masses" was released. Vladimir Medinsky did not cope with the task. Draw your own conclusions, people.
  34. demidoff-59
    demidoff-59 8 November 2013 15: 30 New
    +7
    Great article !!!
  35. Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 8 November 2013 15: 50 New
    +2
    That's how you can look at it, remembering all this ... hate it, how liberal individuals preach?
    This is Tallinn before the 1980 Olympic Regatta.
  36. Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 8 November 2013 15: 50 New
    0
    That's how you can look at it, remembering all this ... hate it, how liberal individuals preach?
    This is Tallinn before the 1980 Olympic Regatta.
  37. Demetrius
    Demetrius 8 November 2013 19: 25 New
    0
    Quote: Ptah
    Of those very parallel, that is, nowhere and never intersecting USSR

    The USSR was one in which there was both
  38. FormerMariman
    FormerMariman 8 November 2013 19: 50 New
    +3
    Universal experience says
    that kingdoms perish
    not because life is hard
    or scary ordeals.
    And they die because
    (and the harder the longer)
    that the people of his kingdom
    don't respect anymore.
    And the name of the magazine is full-time and there are hacks! They say about such people, "They were not given birth by their mother, they were forced out of the zho.py!"
  39. FormerMariman
    FormerMariman 8 November 2013 19: 52 New
    +1
    Quote: Former Mariman
    Universal experience says
    that kingdoms perish
    not because life is hard
    or scary ordeals.
    And they die because
    (and the harder the longer)
    that the people of his kingdom
    don't respect anymore.
    And the name of the magazine is ubl ... full-time and the hacks are there ubl ... ki! They say about such people, "They were not given birth by their mother, they were forced out of the zho.py!"
  40. vikov
    vikov 8 November 2013 20: 03 New
    +2
    Yes, our fathers did not wait for a bright communist future, for which we received a happy past. drinks
  41. olol
    olol 8 November 2013 20: 13 New
    +2
    Back in the early 80s, in his "Russophobia" Shafarevich examined in detail where such individuals come from. Where does this "elite" culture come from? And what they want. Any state that strives for its own self-preservation must destroy such an abomination. This is natural high treason. By and large, it is not clear why the relevant articles and public processes are not applied to this entire "elite".
    1. vikov
      vikov 8 November 2013 20: 19 New
      -1
      Well, you are right on the written spar:
      “For fascism, a person is an individual, united with the nation, the Fatherland, obeying a moral law that connects individuals through tradition, historical mission.” Mussolini.
      1. Azzzwer
        Azzzwer 8 November 2013 21: 11 New
        +1
        Quote: vikov
        Well, you are right on the written spar:

        by "written" is written together
    2. Azzzwer
      Azzzwer 8 November 2013 21: 29 New
      +2
      Quote: olol
      By and large, it is not clear why the relevant articles and public processes are not applied to this entire "elite".
      Are you so naive and do not understand why? Because the power existing in the country and this "elite" are one whole, because power in the country has been seized by the bourgeoisie, the nouveau riche and the comprodors! That's when Putin will say: "That's enough! We have already lost a great country - the USSR! Shouldn't we already lose Russia? It's time to end this!" Then "relevant articles and public trials" will appear, but ... Putin is not capable of this, since he is a part of this so-called "elite"! With the next anniversary of the Great October Socialist Revolution. I hope my country will celebrate the 100th anniversary of the Great October Revolution with dignity, and sweep away all this stinking shushura!
  42. Azzzwer
    Azzzwer 8 November 2013 21: 08 New
    0
    Their
    http://www.audiopoisk.com/track/mark-bernes/mp3/s-4ego-na4inaetsa-rodina/
    and strangers
    http://www.audiopoisk.com/track/vasa-oblomov/mp3/s-4ego-na4inaetsa-rodina/
  43. soldier's grandson
    soldier's grandson 8 November 2013 21: 24 New
    +4
    Quote: fzr1000
    The usual fifth column

    she never had a homeland and I don’t, for example, have any shame for our past, my grandfather went through a war captivity of the camp but never said bad for his country
    1. Azzzwer
      Azzzwer 8 November 2013 22: 00 New
      +2
      Quote: Soldier's grandson
      she never had a homeland
      She b ... b!
  44. Rif
    Rif 8 November 2013 21: 27 New
    0
    http://www.vairgin.ru/2011-12-30-17-29-21/2012-04-21-22-59-43/227 В этом ролике, как мне кажется, тоже ответ откуда такая мразь взялась.
  45. Stinger
    Stinger 8 November 2013 21: 30 New
    +2
    So far, those in power who have a homeland begin with a picture on banknotes. And those with the picture in your ABC book blink their eyes in surprise and cannot understand how this audience got there. But it cannot go on for so long. There is still a more effective manager and will throw them out of there.
    1. Azzzwer
      Azzzwer 8 November 2013 21: 37 New
      +1
      Quote: Stinger
      There is still a more effective manager and will throw them out of there.
      A naive, effective manager is a component of this "elite". Only the people themselves can do this!
      "No one will give us deliverance:
      Neither god, nor king, nor hero.
      We will achieve liberation
      With your own hand. "
      and for this it is necessary:
      "Get up, branded by the curse,
      The whole world of hungry and slaves!
      Our mind is seething
      And the mortal battle is ready to lead.
      The whole world of violence we will destroy
      To the ground, and then
      We are ours, we will build a new world! "
  46. 1536
    1536 8 November 2013 21: 47 New
    +3
    The article is good, necessary. It remains to regret that the NKVD didn’t work on the enemies of the people at one time. And they remained in large numbers. But, nevertheless, it pleases that now there is someone to repulse strangers, and to use all the experience gained in our country over the years of Soviet power on these issues. It is a pity that in the USSR-1 and in the USSR-2 there was no Internet.
  47. 1536
    1536 8 November 2013 21: 48 New
    0
    The article is good, necessary. It remains to regret that the NKVD didn’t work on the enemies of the people at one time. And they remained in large numbers. But, nevertheless, it pleases that now there is someone to repulse strangers, and to use all the experience gained in our country over the years of Soviet power on these issues. It is a pity that in the USSR-1 and in the USSR-2 there was no Internet.
  48. Pancreas
    Pancreas 8 November 2013 21: 51 New
    +5
    From his father's biography: "Igor Kholin (1920-1999) is a poet, a prominent representative of the underground. In the mid-50s, he created his famous" barracks "cycle. Igor Kholin's creative style is concreteness."
    And poems ...:
    Here is my neighbor
    Like a dog:
    You say the word -
    Climbing into a fight.
    I live in a hut
    He is in the shed by the hut.

    On the flower window,
    The room is comfortable
    At the barracks barrel
    They drink vodka nearby
    Neighbors have a daughter
    At this time they beat.

    About her daughter (Arina Kholina): "One of the brightest representatives of the Chiklit genre -" literature for chicks "that came to Russia from the West."

    A. Kholina about myself: "I am a professional writer, I don't do anything else. It takes me three months to write one book. I write 5 pages a day. It takes from 4 to 6 hours with lunch, with slovenliness when I have to drink coffee, watch your favorite TV series. I don't overwork myself, although there are periods of parking. You idle, then you have to catch up. I conclude a contract for each book, I must comply with the terms. It is in my interests, because this is my salary. I get up at 10 am. 12 o'clock, if I went out on a spree in the evening I can get up and at 2 o'clock in the afternoon. I have breakfast, then I swing and start to work. If there is no time pressure, then in the evening I go to an exhibition, a presentation, a club or a restaurant with my friends. I do not jump with a parachute. "
    And also about his childhood: “And my father also bought black caviar for me in liters. But that's exactly why I hate the USSR. Because my father was not published, because he was a non-comformist, and did not glorify Soviet power. successfully wrote children's poems, they were even in the Primer - something about smart machines, but the officials with whom he had to deal made him sick, so he strangled the career of a children's poet with his own hands, and began to “fart” to earn money. antiques and clothes.
    An underground poet and blackmail - twice illegal in the Soviet Union. "

    Madame scribble for money about anything. Why is she writing? A writer with low self-esteem raising her at our expense. Actively crap on his country. It’s interesting, why doesn’t he leave to write his novel in Europe? Apparently there are enough such scribblers.
    1. Azzzwer
      Azzzwer 8 November 2013 21: 58 New
      +2
      Quote: Pancreas
      About her daughter (Arina Kholina): "One of the brightest representatives of the Chiklit genre -" literature for chicks "that came to Russia from the West."

      A. Kholina about myself: "I am a professional writer, I don't do anything else.
      In a word - bl..y!
  49. Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 8 November 2013 21: 58 New
    +4
    but they were right
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