Are you always wearing a hijab?
Nearly. No one is afraid of me, no one connects with me "black" thoughts, I do not blackmail anyone.
Muslim girls in the Stavropol region also came to school wearing hijabs not to blackmail, but to learn. But they were banned.
But their parents were blackmailing the authorities. And it goes on. The other day in Kazakhstan almost a first grader in a black hijab came to school. Teachers and children face stretched. Behind her came a dad with a beard almost to his waist. In the Arab pants. And he began to shout at the teachers: “You must ...” There is a big dad behind every little girl in the hijab, be it in Stavropol, Pyatigorsk or Kazan. He pulls up brothers, someone else, and begins "human rights" stories. This is a provocation.
You do not provoke, coming to Tyumen or Samara in the hijab?
I know where and to whom I go. Even if this is a Muslim event, I can be not in a hijab, but in a headscarf tied in Tatar style. Or just put on a shawl. It is one thing if a person consciously chooses to be dressed as he is. It’s another thing if they put pressure on a girl, and through her - on those around her. So the child is drawn into the struggle. In Islam, up to 14 years or until her period started, a girl can walk without a handkerchief. Therefore, the requirements to allow them to go to hijabs to school are not so much parents, they are a tool, but completely different people. After a series of conflicts in the Stavropol Territory, the local authorities, the muftiat, proposed to create general education schools at mosques where girls can walk in headscarves. Parents are rioting again. They do not need a good education for girls. Not about saving their souls. And it's not about Islam. They want to use it for other purposes.
Do I understand correctly that in a growing number of stories with hijabs, the confrontation between traditional and modern Islam is encrypted?
I do not see a confrontation between traditional and radical Islam. People sometimes ask me: “What do Muslims profess”? I answer: "Islam." And the Islamists? I answer: "Islamism." Do you know what's the difference between them? They are not related to each other in any way. Islam is a religion. Islamism has nothing to do with religion.
Hard. And what about me, not a Muslim, but a person living in a country where 12% is Muslim? Trying to understand how traditionalists are different from Salafis, and those from Wahhabis?
There is a call for dialogue in your question. I would go to a wider level of generalizations. The Arab world has gone to dialogue with the radical Islamists. And what came of it? "To the ground, and then"? They do not know, but we know: then darkness comes, mess and horror. Well, they overthrew the Sunni leadership in Iraq, dismembered and turned Iraq and Libya upside down. What have you achieved? What did the Islamists have achieved in Egypt, Pakistan, Afghanistan, or in belligerent Syria? Darkness and anarchy. It all began with a debate on the interpretation of the Koran sura or from the same hijab on the heads of girls, no matter where, in Tunisia, in France or in Yemen. With all due respect to the right of nations to self-determination, I see what the dialogue with the Islamists has led to. And I remember the Prophet’s Hadith: “In that city where there is no doctor, you can enter, but do not. In a city where there is no ruler, it is better not to go at all. "
How not to enter the territory of disputes around Islam, if they are around? Won Islamist and the opponent of extremism, Raisa Suleymanov, the prosecutor's office of Tatarstan issued a warning "about the inadmissibility of extremist activity."
Rais Suleymanov is just a translator of the contradictions that exist in society. Why was he accused of extremism — the privileges of the Wahhabis? In short, because Kafil Amirov, the prosecutor who issued this scandalous warning, hastily been removed from office. This is a consequence of the wave-like growth of the influence of the Wahhabi holding of Russia, as warned by Suleymanov. The term was brought into circulation by the terrorists Valiullah-hazrat Yakupov killed in 2012. He was one of the first to speak about the danger of merging the Wahhabi underground and official Kazan. And in 90, it all started romantically - with the respect of officials for the religion of their ancestors. Plus an element of corruption - and at the exit traditional Islam in Tatarstan is being forced out to the periphery. He became the religion of the elderly. The “fathers and children” conflict is evident: funding from Saudi Arabia, training young people in OAU, Egypt or Qatar have led to the dressing, marital behavior and mentality of some young Muslim Tatars copying the Arab mentality. What is happening in the Middle East is closer to them than life in Russia. In any wealthy Tatar village, one can see satellite antennas tuned to Al-Jazeera or Arabia. So, the removal from office of a prosecutor sympathizing with the Wahhabis does not mean anything in the sense of a victory over the Wahhabi holding.
Now I understand why Muslim Raisa Suleymanova Heydar Jemal, chairman of the Islamic Committee of Russia, called it “Islamophobe.”
Through Cemal, Islamist propaganda is gaining momentum. He supports the forces that are trying to transform the religious concept into “revolutionary” or “modern” ostensibly Islam.
How did it happen that by 2013, the creation of the “Wahhabi International” became possible in almost all regions of Russia with the exception of Chukotka?
There are no Wahhabis in Chukotka for one reason: a closed border zone. And warehouses with weapons they are already found in Tyumen, Surgut, Omsk, in the Yamalo-Nenets Autonomous District. Islamists take root where there is oil and gas. They think strategically. The integral part of the Wahhabi holding company is crypto-Wahhabi and crypto-ichanna are people in power. They use the principle of takiyya, hiding their own beliefs, which is criticized among the Shiites. We see them on TV, we even choose them, because they say the right things about the state, but at the same time they finance those who go to jihad.
Can you name names?
I am not under interrogation and I am not obliged to give names, passwords, appearances, but I know that there is something like this in the Khanty-Mansiysk Autonomous Okrug, in Nizhny Novgorod, Kazan, in Dagestan, Ingushetia. This is a thoughtful strategy. It derives from the ideologies that Islamists have for each case. Their “Russian” ideology: oil belongs to Muslims all over the world, this is “the special favor of the Most High” to Muslims. Do the Jews have no oil? “This is their punishment. God does not love them, God loves us. Where there are Muslims, there is oil. ” Oil is a Muslim product, the Wahhabis believe. And the Russian Islam was suppressed, although Kazan, Tyumen, the Urals and then Siberia are the Siberian Khanate. Chechnya and Absheron, by their notions, are quite adjacent here. This belief in the exclusivity of some "Muslims" has been cultivated by the United States and Great Britain for decades. First, through human rights organizations, today through the people of Al-Qaida, who, by the way, including senators and congressmen of the United States, parliamentarians of Great Britain. Hillary Clinton’s senatorial campaign was partly financed by their ihvans.
True, with the rampage of the “Arab spring” the United States began to realize that the instrument of globalism that they grew up becomes unmanageable. It's not even the Muslim Brothers or the Taliban. This is an external manifestation of deep-seated processes - Islamist banking and vikh - jurisprudence, a network of government structures that are parallel to state structures, international drug trafficking, and the underground arms trade. Even at the official level - what do the Arabs themselves do? They are designed by the Japanese and the Germans, the Indians and the Chinese are building, the Russian and African Muslims and Afghans are fighting for them. They already behave like a “white bone”. Here are the consequences of cultivating exclusivity.
How effective is the idea of Euroislam, which Kazan is trying to implement, in opposing the Islamists?
In practice, as I see, only a part of its creators believe in it. This is a kind of construct that is not shared by either the traditionalists or the Salafis and Wahhabis. But Islamist mediation terminology works. Remember, at the start of 90, many, including the basic terms, began to be rethought? For example, we abandoned the concept of “state security” because of the analogy with the KGB and introduced the concept of national security. And national security does not mean state security. This is a tricky thing. For the first time this term sounded when the US had to take away the Panama Canal.
Following the United States in the 60-ies, Muslims have started talking about the semantic reconfiguration of Islamic terms. In English-language works, they write about the epistemological - filling Islam with political content. Al-Qaradawi, a theologian from Egypt, says that if you believe in 99% Islam, but you do not believe in 1%, which is politics, you are not a Muslim. And it turns out that as social life we fill with other meanings, replacing national security with national, and in religious one we change the established meanings.
Is this the very “Islamic project” of the USA, created for the 80's war in Afghanistan?
He tried it there. And around the world, the Muslim Brotherhood cells began to form as early as the 50 – 60s, when after the war, Europe needed manpower. The first to arrive in Switzerland were the ideologues of Ikhvanism, Saeed Ramadan and Hassan al-Banna. They and their followers were taken to the special services.
When it turned out that the networks of the Muslims of Ikhvan were involved in a series of murders in the Middle East, they were started to be driven out of there. They moved to Saudi Arabia, joined the Wahhabis. The roots of Wahhabism are deeper. They are in the unresolved problems of the Second World War. The ferment of Wahhabism in Europe is connected with the ideology of fascism. There was a mufti of Palestine, Al-Husseini. He led the Muslim army of Hitler, for which the "Muslim" form was developed. In the Muslim world, including in the occupied territories of the USSR, this army distributed leaflets - in Turkish, but written in Arabic script - that Hitler secretly converted to Islam, his name is Haidar.
Today's reincarnation of fascism is like tracing from the past. Favorite Islamist legend: "Obama is a secret Muslim." In the sense of Islamist. The Ikhwan greet each other with a raised hand, while the Wahhabis and Salafis greet each other with a finger raised up. Among the Ikhvanians, the “new Heil” is called “rabbia” - after the square in Cairo, where their comrades died recently.
So this is why Chechen Wahhabis say that a finger raised up means: “Allah is one”? And they, unlike the traditionalists, "profess true Islam, directly appeal to the Almighty, and Sufis - through intermediaries."
I see no reason to discuss a form devoid of content. To put it bluntly, the denseness and hypocrisy of the Islamists know no boundaries. Here it is believed that the Salafis are more moderate than the Wahhabis. "Moderate", they can not yet break society. Their ideologue, Al-Qaradawi, says: “Go out on your way when conditions are ripe. They will ripen when they become the neck of the authorities or their brains. ” And these people are trying.
I know, for example, that among the forest fraternity of Chechnya and Dagestan, the weather is made including by the children of those people who work in Gazprom or in the banking sector of Makhachkala. Their children are studying or graduated from Oxford, Yale. The same Boston terrorist Tsarnaev studied in Cambridge, which the "tactful" Americans are silent about. He lived in a villa with a mufti. I can't send my child to Cambridge. Simple families are uninteresting to the Islamists, except as cannon fodder. They are interested to penetrate through the children in the oligarchic and government environments. And for children from poor families, they fool their heads with “ravia”, a raised finger, or sex jihad.
What is sex jihad?
This is when a young Muslim woman is obliged to provide sexual services to militants in any country. Islamists have fatwas related to the “holy imperative” of sex jihad. Such "Islam", which they are trying to impose, fitna - moral decay. That seems to be a given: all religions call for chastity. In addition to Wahhabism. Jihad sex, in their fatwas, is chastity. I was shocked by the story of a Syriac who was married to a member of the opposition group Jabhat al-Nusra. When she came to her husband, at first he “married” to her, then during the day she changed eight “husbands” and killed herself. But if you tell Wahhabi that it is a crime or fornication, he will be indignant: "No, this is marriage."
In Islam, there is the concept of "fytra" - religious feeling. Islamists cleaned it up. These very epistemological - semantic reconfiguration of Islamic terms - which wrapped the fascist "Mein Kampf" in a kind of "Islamic" cover. So the Islamists slander Islam, misinterpret the words of the Almighty, attribute to him cruelty, which he allegedly blessed. And ordinary people start to think: “God, is this Islam?”
Things reached the point that the Islamists' free interpretations are inscribed in the Quran and translated into Russian by Elmir Kuliev from Azerbaijan. And although this translation by mufti is forbidden precisely because it contains the Wahhabi discourse, you can download it on the Internet or buy it. So there are "other Muslims."
You once said that “we, the Muslims of the Caucasus, are not like all Russians. We are really different. ” What kind?
We are on the front line more than the rest of Russia. Since 90, we have experienced several wars, terrorism and bandit underground continue to put pressure on us, we experience the whole power of the world behind the scenes. This is a tremendous pressure. Each of us, especially in Dagestan, has to make a choice up to the 12 – 13-year-old child. Do not convey the power of this pressure: Islamist, financial, corrupt, terrorist and the pressure of hostility from the rest of Russia. Can people living in such conditions be different? But both we and the rest of Russia still have to understand and accept that we are different. Geopolitically breaking away from Russia is the same as the Caucasus taking off and moving to Saudi Arabia or Qatar. The pressure is that the Caucasus should make a civilization choice. And those who do not divide him must leave us. For a simple reason: to live in two, three, four, five morals and interpretations of faith is hell.
Isn't this the reason why non-Muslims have a persistent idea that Islam and terrorism are almost synonymous?
Islam, which we offer, I, a Muslim, too, I fear. This is not the religion of my ancestors, neither the Prophet, nor the great-grandfathers, nor the heroes of the Caucasian War, nor Imam Shamil, bequeathed me to live like this. Islamism is a breeding ground for the growth of both Islamophobia and Russophobia.
How can the Russians not be afraid of Islam, if the Muslim leaders in the country - in Kislovodsk, Tyumen, Khabarovsk - are blackmailing for the construction of mosques? Muftis hint officials at the unrest and use liberal legislation, but the big question is: who and what will preach at these services?
The last question is the main one. We do not have a single region, where there would be one mufti or theologian. As a rule, they are two or three, and they compete. Artificial competition is created by the state and local authorities. But it is the authorities who pour water on the mill of anti-state forces. Stories with mosques — it doesn't matter, Stavropol, the Yembaevskiy madrasah in Tyumen, where Wahhabi imams or Khabarovsk have been trained for decades — the state behaves as if there are no Muslims. The situation in Nizhny Novgorod is especially indicative. It is simply an anti-model of relations between the state and denominations. The postulate of power is silent, but cynical: “Do you even kill each other in a mosque, and we ...”
What began in Nizhny Novgorod?
There, through police cordons, people go to namaz. This is all that a state can do. Although nothing foreshadowed the conflict of "fathers and children." About 15 years the position of the head of the spiritual administration of Muslims of the Nizhny Novgorod region was held by Umar-hazrat Idrisov. Some time ago several people appeared in his circle, who received Islamic education in Saudi Arabia. He promoted them for years, gave up his place in the Public Chamber, then the position of the head of the spiritual administration of Muslims of the Nizhny Novgorod region. And it all ended with the fact that they even took away the mosque where he preached. His former parishioners began to put pressure on him: “Wahhabism rises here, Islam is expelled, let's return!” He tried. But from the village of Rybushkino - the clan village of Damira-Khazrat Mukhetdinov, the head of the Muslim spiritual department of the Nizhny Novgorod region and the first deputy chairman of the council of muftis of Russia - his parishioners came to vote for the removal of Idrisov from ROM. When they realized that only members of the local community had the right to vote, a fight ensued.
Imam did not understand what is taught in Saudi Arabia?
This, and now many do not understand. Talgat-hazrat Tajuddin, chairman of the Central Spiritual Board of Muslims of Russia, recently stopped sending young people to Saudi Arabia, Egypt and other Arab madrasas. But now they go, on personal funds or those that are offered to them from abroad.
Why, by the way, not only they, but also mercenaries legally go on jihad to Syria or earlier to other countries?
There is no law that would prohibit Russian citizens from participating in wars in third countries. This happened with the former Yugoslavia, Abkhazia, and now with Syria and Afghanistan. Russia after perestroika joined many documents of international law. And its architecture, including ethnic law, is so arranged that it does not hinder, but, on the contrary, supports the armed struggle of groups for freedom and sovereignty. Therefore, we cannot persecute our citizens for participating on the side of the militants, who are considered “opposition”.
But those who return, no matter whether they studied or fought, create a social anti-system inside Russia. Maybe it's time to revise the laws?
I will say more. Now people have returned from Syria to the Khanty-Mansiysk Autonomous Okrug, to Surgut. They arrived on the prepared ground - by those who had previously freed themselves from the Guantanamo prison camp and settled in Bashkiria, Siberia, Tatarstan and the Caucasus. I am afraid that the period of their creation of anti-systems is yesterday. They create other civilization systems, while maintaining the existing law and order. And we are trying to conduct “intercultural and interreligious dialogue” with them. With people who, in fact, have neither culture nor religion.
Islamism is a non-negotiable ideology, it is fundamentally adapted for war. I am convinced that before it is too late, we must adopt a law banning Wahhabism. Or, for a start, at least go back to the regional, already developed in Dagestan in 1999, law “On Wahhabi and other extremist activities”. Of course, it needs to be updated and supplemented, and then transferred to the federal level. The only way.
As we know, it is impossible to build communism in a single country. It is also impossible to fight Wahhabism in a single Dagestan or Surgut. From under the Islamists it is necessary to consistently knock out the ideology of exclusivity. Now they are beating external attributes - hijab, beard, Arab pants. This is a loss. A convinced Wahhabi in our society is clean-shaven, dressed like an English dandy, and sits, for example, in the Public Chamber, in the regional parliament or works in respectable banks or corporations.
Therefore, the law banning Islamism must correspond to the level of threats. It must be different for different regions. At the same time, it is impossible to break the Muslim community, or the Ummah, through the knee, as it happens in Nizhny Novgorod. Ummah is the guardian of Russian Islam. And when the format of legislation lags behind the level of growing threats, it becomes confused. Like society. People begin to hide behind Islamophobia and Russophobia.
Does the state adequately assess the level of threats?
Not. It only became aware of the depth of the threat in 2013. But what the “Islamic project” is, how global it is, as I see it, the authorities do not fully understand.