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"Resist Banderization"

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"Resist Banderization"The Galician-Russian idea, driven out of the West-Russian lands by the skating-rink of the Austro-Hungarian terror (Terezin concentration camp, Talerhof), should be an alternative to Ukrainian nationalism, which Kiev cannot cope with.


Ukrainian nationalism is an ideology that is equally dangerous both for the neighbors of Ukraine (Russia, Poland) and for Ukrainian citizens. Further connivance will lead to an even greater radicalization of Ukrainian society, which is fraught with political and social instability and the transformation of Western Ukraine into Kosovo in Eastern Europe due to the intensity of extremist sentiments.

Kiev is not only unable to cope with the influential curators of the nationalistic spectrum of Ukrainian politics, but also does not want to do this. Ukrainian nationalism is a convenient political toolbox, which Kiev politicians do not want to lose.

In such conditions, joint actions of Poland, Russia and healthy forces in Ukraine itself are needed to improve the socio-political climate in this country.

It so happened historically that Western Ukraine for a person of all-Russian views is Western Russia, and for a Pole - “crosses of the ascent”, i.e. "Eastern territories". Of these three geographical designations chronologically, the term “Western Ukraine” is the latest.

Least of all the Western Ukrainian territories have historical reason to be called Ukrainian. Firstly, not much time has passed since the day the West Russian regions were renamed to Western Ukraine.

Secondly, there was a time when the Galicians did not refer to the Ukrainians and did not speak of Galicia as Ukraine. Thirdly, the basis of the modern Ukrainian language is the Poltava dialect, not the Western Ukrainian dialects. Western Ukraine is the center of radical political, not cultural, Ukrainians.

For the Polish-Russian interaction in this direction, an ideology of constructive coexistence of the Polish and Russian cultural element in the Western Ukrainian lands is necessary. And under Russian it should be understood Western Russian culture, i.e. the one that has always been present in these lands.

The counter ideology of Ukrainian nationalism cannot be the ideology of the “cress of the shoots,” as Polish territory. This will be considered as an attempt on the integrity of the Ukrainian state and revanchism. “Kresy vskhodnya” is a region with a mixed Polish-Russian population (later turned into Polish-Ukrainian).

In Polish, the word “ruski” (“Russian”) still refers to the whole of Western Ukrainian (we will not dwell now on the terminological struggle of Polish and Russian politics, when Poles argued that the Polish word ruski is not related to Russia, but only to the “emergence cress”, and the Russian historical school said the opposite).

In such a situation, the Galician-Russian idea can act as counter-ideology to Ukrainian nationalism. This is an idea, not an ideology, which is not a listed product, but was born and strengthened in the depths of the masses of Galician Russia. The Galician-Russian movement was especially powerful in the XVIII – XIX centuries, when a whole galaxy of Galician-Russian budditers (several dozen names) proclaimed the thesis of a single Russian people from the Carpathians to Kamchatka.

They left many works on history, linguistics, theology, as well as journalistic and dramatic works, which are now gathering dust in the storerooms of Lviv libraries.

In those years a lot of Galician-Russian periodicals came out, Galician-Russian societies were founded (the Mikhail Kachkovsky Society, the Russian Ladies Society, etc.). In the Polish historical tradition, the Galician Russians were called the Old Russians, and the supporters of the Ukrainians — the Young Russians.

Subsequently, the young Russians were so far away from the Russianness that they even accepted the new ethnonym as their main national name - the Ukrainians. But this does not mean that the Galician-Russian movement was a cultural-triger against the Ukrainian culture. On the contrary, some representatives of the Galician-Russian thought were honorary members of Ukrainophile organizations, such as Prosvita.

Simply, they, like the entire Galician people earlier, considered what is today called Ukrainian, Russian, the south-western branch of a single Russian culture, language and people.

While the Galician-Russian idea was alive in Galician Russia, these lands did not know nationalist extremism. He appeared along with the theses on the political-civilizational separateness of Ukrainians from the rest of Russia and the Russians.

Today it seems expedient to take up the revival of Galician-Russian thought, all traces of which the modern Ukrainian government is trying to erase from people's memory. The very fact of the presence of this thought in the history of the state, which today is called Ukrainian, spoils Kiev the whole ideological picture of Ukrainian crystal independence.

It was the Galician-Russian idea, once forced out from the West-Russian lands by the skating-rink of the Austro-Hungarian terror (Terezin concentration camp, Talerhof) that should act as an alternative moral and civilizational guide for the population of Western Ukraine.

Poland should not be afraid that the reanimation of the Galician-Russian thought will lead to undesirable geopolitical consequences. Firstly, from the once powerful Galician-Russian consciousness only wretched crumbs remained in Western Ukraine.

Miraculously preserved in the twentieth century. Galician-Russian supporters in the 1940's were finished off by the Ukrainians-Bandera, who also massacred hundreds of thousands of Poles. Secondly, in order for the Galician-Russian movement to once again take on scales that threaten Polish statehood, we need a lot of labor, both organizational and financial, not to mention time.

Russia will not do this, incl. and because of the unreality of this step, and because of diplomatic complications with Kiev, which, undoubtedly, will be supported by the West.

Third, in parallel with the Galician-Russian revival, it is necessary to ensure a Polish cultural presence in the region. These two projects must go in parallel, by way of compromises, and not by hard confrontation.

This does not mean that both sides will not be able to cover problematic facts in the history of the Galician Russians and Poles and to defend their version of their vision. But this means that neither the Poles nor the Galician Russians should choose each other as the main goal of their actions.

They have a more immoral enemy - Ukrainian nationalism. Once, these recipes were offered by Russian geopolitics, a native of Little Russia, Ivan Dusinsky (see “Geopolitics of Russia”. Moscow, 2003). The dosed revival of the Galician-Russian idea (and now only its dosed resuscitation is possible, and only in the cultural-public, not the political field) is in the interests of Poland.

The presence of the Galician-Russian segment on the Western-Ukrainian historical and cultural scene, if it does appear, dilutes, destroys the concentrated Ukrainian nationalism, refueling in Western Ukraine. One more ideological figure will appear, opposing Ukrainian radicalism and playing, at least partially, in the same field as the Poles, i.e. resisting the banderization of the country.

It is important to remember that there have never been ethnic contradictions between the old Russians and the Poles. There were contradictions of a political and ideological nature, which were resolved very often by violent means.

The confrontation of the Poles with Bandera had the appearance of ethnic cleansing. The old-timers never called for the eradication of the Poles and the traces of their stay on this land, while the Bandera set it as their main goal.

Today, the Polish side gives us a positive signal. 9 September 2013, in Przemysl, by an initiative group of citizens united in the Sana Valley Self-Government Society (Wspólnota Samorządowa Doliny Sanu), began collecting signatures for renaming the street named after Hitler’s collaborator, Uniate Jehoshaphat Kotsylovsky, in honor of the Greek Catholic priest Vasily Masst Yastiyar Yazyot Yazyot Yazyot Yazyyyyyyyustsy Masyets. Galician-Russian direction.

The public of Przemysl believes that due to the sober position of V. Mastsyukh on the national issue and his opposition to I. Kotsylovsky’s attempts to Ukrainize the local flock, there were no ethnic cleansings and Bandera underground in the regions he was ward spiritually.
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  1. smersh70
    smersh70 7 November 2013 16: 07
    -3
    what kind of information war is going on against Ukraine .. diva is simply given .... one negative article after another ..... but they forget that it was Putin who brought power to Yanukovych .... you can’t sob his Slav brothers .. they don’t enter the TS and what .... the end of the world will come chtoli or the ties between the brothers will end ..... yes Ukraine will join the TS .... do not drift ... smile
    1. Russ69
      Russ69 7 November 2013 16: 20
      16
      Quote: smersh70
      .. you can’t soo cool your Slav brothers ..
      Hayat that, all in a row. And when, Bandera were brothers. This is the same if we praise the Vlasovites only because they are Slavs.
    2. Avenger711
      Avenger711 7 November 2013 16: 22
      +6
      If Putin planted Yanukovych, then Ukraine should cease to be considered an independent state. Although the reality is simpler, PR promised, PR lied, PR hated. All in a circle.
    3. Kars
      Kars 7 November 2013 18: 03
      +1
      Quote: smersh70
      what is the information war against Ukraine .. diva just give

      What a surprise. You need to rinse your brains, biomass. Someone in the Russian Federation needs an external enemy to distract at least a little bit from internal problems. And let the biomass feel significant, arrogantly speculate, point out. Cry about the fraternal people.
      1. Setrac
        Setrac 7 November 2013 20: 27
        +9
        Quote: Kars
        . It is necessary to rinse the brain, biomass. Someone in the Russian Federation needs an external enemy to distract at least a little bit from internal problems.

        You have megalomania! Ukraine does not pull on the role of an external enemy of Russia, not that weight category.
        1. Kars
          Kars 7 November 2013 20: 32
          +1
          Quote: Setrac
          You have megalomania!

          Are you a psychiatrist? Or are you voicing your diagnosis?

          Quote: Setrac
          Ukraine does not pull on the role of an external enemy of Russia

          On a small pull.
          Quote: Kars
          just a little bit

          As you can see, if you tried to think about what you read, you could understand that the weight categories are different. And Ukraine is a safe external enemy - to which you can distract the lumpy, and not intellectual biomass, with low self-esteem, which will feel better , more importantly, if they can reason with a clever look - where .. the Slovenian brothers .. katyatsa, how we Russians live better, which we are more .. smart ..
          1. Setrac
            Setrac 7 November 2013 20: 57
            +1
            Quote: Kars
            Are you a psychiatrist? Or are you voicing your diagnosis?

            To paraphrase - if you have megalomania, this does not mean that you are not Great.
            Quote: Kars
            And Ukraine is a safe external enemy - to which it is possible to distract the lumpy, and not intellectual biomass, with low self-esteem, who will feel better, more significant if they can reason with a smart look - where .. the Slovenian brothers ... katyatsa, we Russians live better, which we are more .. smart ..

            The average Russian does not believe that a Ukrainian can be forced to fight against a Russian, although you can always get scumbags and assholes on both sides, but you won’t create an army from scumbags.
            Quote: Kars
            As you can see, if you tried to think about what you read, you could understand that the weight categories are different.

            That is, different weight categories, a country so militarily weak cannot be propagandized as an external enemy, who will believe such a thing (in Russia).
            1. Kars
              Kars 7 November 2013 21: 14
              +1
              Quote: Setrac
              To paraphrase - if you have megalomania, this does not mean that you are not Great.

              Are you so self-reassuring?
              Quote: Setrac
              The average Russian does not believe that a Ukrainian can be forced to fight against Russian

              The enemy is not only war.
              Quote: Setrac
              militarily weak

              Well, how narrowly thinks the average Great Russians.
              1. Setrac
                Setrac 7 November 2013 21: 19
                +2
                Quote: Kars
                The enemy is not only war.

                However, at least - a military threat.
                Quote: Kars
                Well, how narrowly thinks the average Great Russians.

                Facts are a stubborn thing; they are not subject to your dubious wit.
                1. Kars
                  Kars 7 November 2013 21: 48
                  +1
                  Quote: Setrac
                  However, at least - a military threat.

                  Why would it be? For you, Gays are enemies or friends? And if not friends, then do they pose a military threat. But do not forget the constant horror story about Ukraine joining NATO (which some very smart Great Russians for some reason accept in one package with the association and joining the EU) with the ensuing .. cannon .. meat)))
                  Quote: Setrac
                  Facts stubborn thing

                  what facts? What are you very limited personality? with a problem in reading and logic?
                  1. Setrac
                    Setrac 7 November 2013 21: 59
                    +3
                    Quote: Kars
                    what facts? What are you very limited personality? with a problem in reading and logic?

                    Well, the arguments are over, it's time to switch to insults, however your arguments did not start, it’s all emotions.
                    Quote: Kars
                    Are gays enemies or friends for you?

                    Why are you interested in?
                    1. Kars
                      Kars 7 November 2013 22: 12
                      +1
                      Quote: Setrac
                      Well, the arguments are over

                      Have you brought any facts and arguments?
                      Quote: Setrac
                      time to go on insults

                      And you didn’t start from this?
                      Quote: Setrac
                      You have megalomania!

                      ))))) I ascribe my diagnosis)) if you were smarter, I could feel offended by myself, but knowing your low intellectual level, they don’t take offense at patients.
                      Quote: Setrac
                      Why are you interested in?
                      The ambiguous answer to a simple hypothetical question allows you to make an interesting conclusion about your lack of confidence in your own sexual orientation, although in this context it does not matter. It matters only whether the enemy may not be a military threat, or is this a prerequisite

                      Value
                      one who is in a state of hostility with someone wishes evil to someone ◆ For this value, an example of use is not indicated. You can help the project by adding an example from a literary work or everyday communication.
                      military opponent ◆ An example of use is not specified for this value. You can help the project by adding an example from a literary work or everyday communication.
                      trans. what is harmful ◆ An example of use is not given for this value. You can help the project by adding an example of use from a literary work or everyday communication.
                      Synonyms
                      adversary
                      adversary
                      Antonyms
                      friend
                      ally
                      1. Setrac
                        Setrac 7 November 2013 22: 22
                        +2
                        Quote: Kars
                        And you didn’t start from this?

                        Quote where I offended you!
                        Actually this is the answer to all your unfounded claims.
                      2. Kars
                        Kars 7 November 2013 22: 24
                        +1
                        Quote: Setrac
                        Quote where I offended you!

                        You read a little bad

                        Quote: Kars
                        And you didn’t start from this?
                        Quote: Setrac
                        You have megalomania!
                        ))))) I ascribe my diagnosis)) if you were smarter, I could feel offended by myself, but knowing your low intellectual level, they don’t take offense at patients.

                        Quote: Setrac
                        Actually, this is the answer to all your unfounded claims.

                        Do I have a pritenzy? Funny.
                      3. Setrac
                        Setrac 7 November 2013 22: 42
                        +4
                        Quote: Kars
                        You read a little bad

                        You have accepted megalomania as an insult.
                        And hurried to answer

                        Quote: Kars
                        Gays

                        Quote: Kars
                        you are a very limited person

                        Quote: Kars
                        but knowing your low intellectual level, they don’t take offense at the sick.

                        You can not answer, I’m not trying for you, to show your two-faced nature.
                      4. Kars
                        Kars 7 November 2013 22: 55
                        +1
                        Quote: Setrac
                        You have accepted megalomania as an insult.

                        Is the attribution of your diagnosis for you already in the order of things?))))

                        Quote: Setrac
                        And hurried to answer

                        Quote: Kars
                        Gays

                        Hurried)))
                        You still do not know how to count?
                        Quote: Kars
                        Why would it? For you Gays are enemies or friends?
                        This is the FOURTH (4) comment)))))

                        Quote: Setrac
                        You can not answer

                        I can, but I won’t. It's fun.)))
                        Quote: Setrac
                        show your two-faced nature

                        And how are you doing? What specifically showed?
                        And such attention flattens me)))

                        By the way, it’s cool that Gays are in the first place in quotes, and the answer of the gays is no and no friends and friends. Do you keep the secrets of personal life?
                      5. Setrac
                        Setrac 7 November 2013 23: 04
                        +1
                        Quote: Kars
                        Is the attribution of your diagnosis for you already in the order of things?

                        LLC, also a switchman.
                        Quote: Kars
                        You still do not know how to count?

                        where we are miserable against the protoucre.
                        Quote: Kars
                        By the way, it's cool that Gays

                        I would like to draw your attention to the fact that you remembered these "rear-wheel drive" cars, and now you are attributing something to me. Palevo?
                      6. Kars
                        Kars 7 November 2013 23: 20
                        +1
                        Quote: Setrac
                        LLC, also a switchman.

                        You did not write it?
                        Quote: Setrac
                        You have megalomania!

                        ?

                        Quote: Setrac
                        where we are miserable against the protoucre.

                        Are you jealous? Are you afraid that we will take away the rights to the homeland of elephants?
                        Although it’s clear that u-bo-gi, are you talking to protoucra now?

                        Quote: Setrac
                        I draw your attention to the fact that you remembered these "rear-wheel drive"

                        Yes, I do. But I consider you ... an average Great Russian ... and on this site .. the expression ... Geyropa ... appears very often. Therefore, as one of the most frequently mentioned on this site, I just asked you, for example


                        Quote: Kars
                        Why would it? For you, Gays are enemies or friends? And if not friends, then do they pose a military threat.

                        what were you ashamed of answering directly .. and by the way there’s still yours ..theory .. destroyed
                        Quote: Setrac
                        a country so militarily weak cannot be promoted as an external enemy, who will believe such a thing (in Russia)

                        Lyokhin63 RU Today, 22:53 PM ↑ New
                        Quote: Setrac
                        Ukraine does not pull on the role of an external enemy of Russia
                        The future NATO bases near our long border and yours. I'm getting nervous.
                      7. Setrac
                        Setrac 7 November 2013 23: 38
                        -1
                        Quote: Kars
                        what were you ashamed of answering directly .. and by the way there’s still yours ..theory .. destroyed

                        Do you already have NATO bases in Ukraine? How many divisions?
                      8. Kars
                        Kars 7 November 2013 23: 48
                        +2
                        Quote: Setrac
                        Do you already have NATO bases in Ukraine? How many divisions?

                        How did you jump sharply)) what do you want gay friends or enemies to answer? And logically continuing to determine whether the enemy necessarily carries a military component.

                        But with such an u-rich jump they showed once again that reading is not your horse. Well, or understanding of what you read.
                        highlight in color
                        Quote: Lyokhin63
                        Future NATO bases near our long border and your Natsik. I'm getting nervous.

                        Well, some people, unlike you, may also think about the future and options. And someone can throw material for them to reason - but this is not with your level of intelligence))
                      9. Setrac
                        Setrac 7 November 2013 23: 52
                        -1
                        Quote: Kars
                        highlight in color

                        NATO NON-EXISTING bases do not bother me.
                        Quote: Kars
                        not with your level of intelligence

                        Protoukry the smartest?
                        Quote: Kars
                        What answer do you gay friends or enemies do not want?

                        I do not want, this topic does not interest me. Look for interlocutors among those interested. Or give another example, not with fag
                      10. Kars
                        Kars 8 November 2013 00: 04
                        +1
                        Quote: Setrac
                        NATO NON-EXISTING bases do not bother me.

                        But who do YOU ​​personally need? You didn’t sign for yourself ONE,
                        Quote: Setrac
                        The average Russian does not believe

                        Burst as usual.
                        Quote: Setrac
                        ?

                        Not even there are no questions, the level is very low, constant logical failures, helpless TYPE of argumentation.
                        Quote: Setrac
                        I don’t want, this topic does not interest me

                        Do you know what your orientation is?
                        Quote: Setrac
                        Or give another example, not with fag

                        It is strange if the topic is not interesting and neutral, then it would be unambiguous to answer the problems.
                  2. Lyokhin63
                    Lyokhin63 9 November 2013 23: 59
                    0
                    Setrac
                    When will ... In Poland it was. And you didn’t ...
  • dark_65
    dark_65 8 November 2013 05: 36
    -1
    but political prostitution is not noticeable, unlike small external enemies
  • Lyokhin63
    Lyokhin63 7 November 2013 22: 53
    -1
    Quote: Setrac
    Ukraine does not pull on the role of an external enemy of Russia

    The future NATO bases near our long border and yours. I'm getting nervous.
  • bif
    bif 7 November 2013 23: 47
    +1
    Quote: Kars
    And give biomass
    with brainwashed to understand who is to blame, what is happening.
    “For example, the owner of Roshen, Petro Poroshenko, commonly referred to as the“ chocolate hare ”by the common people, has been acting very imprudently lately, systematically throwing mud at Russia. Now his business“ draws on both sides ”- Putin, as you know, does not forgive such raids. and the Ukrainian Ministry of Revenue squeezed Poroshenko so that “chocolate” would crawl out of him, to be honest. Frankly, his greedy, pig-eyed face never inspired trust or sympathy. Now claims from the Ministry of Revenue can reach 100 million hryvnias. this is due to VAT refunds for products allegedly exported outside Ukraine .. "
    The head of the Ministry of Energy, Eduard Stavitsky, feels that the soil can get away from under his feet due to the current confrontation, when more and more dirty linen is being pulled into the light. This time it was about GP Coal of Ukraine (GPUU). This is the estate of Eduard Stavitsky. The company was engaged in ugly affairs. Serving heavily in debt to Alfa-Bank and, by the decision of the court, having undergone the seizure of accounts, the GPUU did not find anything better than opening accounts in other banks, and bypassing the creditor bank, conducting business activities bypassing the court decision.
    Mr. Stavitsky himself makes the edge of the house and says that this is a common story, and that, in general, everything has already been settled. However, as it turns out, it is settled here in the same way as with Russia for the August gas - only promises and chatter .. "
    "And business, like that slave, pays for the fight of the owners with its forelock. Sergei Glazyev, an outstanding Russian economist, already predicts, and not without reason, that if an" association agreement "is signed, Ukrainian business will move to Russia. Everything is simple here. as soon as they sign an agreement, Ukraine will be forced to open the borders to goods from the EU, but the market in Russia will be closed for the Ukrainian industry itself. In this grip the Ukrainian industry cannot survive. There is only one way out - to move to Russia and again find yourself behind the customs barrier from goods from Europe. businessmen have nothing to blame .. "http://www.contrpost.com/en/78-2013-05-10-13-45-19/3383-chi-nadezhdy-rushatsya-n
    a-ukraine
    1. Kars
      Kars 7 November 2013 23: 58
      +1
      Quote: bif
      now his business "draws on both sides" -

      What can I say at Roshen we deliver there is butter, we don’t reduce the volume. Although we deliver the highest quality butter (we sell our own, but for the processed cheese factory we buy from other factories)
      Quote: bif
      Seriously in debt to Alfa Bank

      A matter of everyday life, do you think how much money is infested?
      Quote: bif
      , Ukraine will be forced to open borders to goods from the EU, but the market in Russia will close for Ukrainian industry itself

      Someone is bankrupt, someone is perestroika. And there the WTO courts will show what's what.
      As for goods from Europe, it is interesting that it will be cheaper and better than local ones, and those who sold in Russia if their heads had long been supposed to look for other markets.
  • Russ69
    Russ69 8 November 2013 01: 59
    +3
    Quote: Kars
    It is necessary to rinse the brain, biomass. Someone in Russia needs an external enemy

    In fairness, today Ukraine is not blamed, for all the troubles of Russia. But in Ukraine, Russia is always guilty .... smile
  • Corsair5912
    Corsair5912 7 November 2013 18: 23
    +1
    Quote: smersh70
    what kind of information war is going on against Ukraine .. diva is simply given .... one negative article after another ..... but they forget that it was Putin who brought power to Yanukovych .... you can’t sob his Slav brothers .. they don’t enter the TS and what .... the end of the world will come chtoli or the ties between the brothers will end ..... yes Ukraine will join the TS .... do not drift ... smile

    The saddest thing for Russia and Ukraine is that there is no information war against Ukraine, Putin did not intervene in Ukrainian affairs even indirectly and did not lead anywhere to Yanukovych.
    Ukraine was torn away from Russia in the 14-17 century, and the sahaydachny ghouls, in alliance with the Poles and Crimean Tatars, poured Russian blood into the rivers.
    The Kremlin is simply obligated to prevent the EU and NATO from entering Ukraine, if only so that new ghouls with NATO emblems do not invade Russian soil.
    But the Kremlin is not interested in the affairs of Ukraine.
    1. general
      general 7 November 2013 19: 26
      -1
      "no information war is being waged against Ukraine, Putin did not interfere in Ukrainian affairs even indirectly" - aha 3-4 articles a day on Ukrainian topics.
      "Ukraine?! .. On the Military Oborzeniye?! .. Didn't hear".
      1. Corneli
        Corneli 7 November 2013 19: 35
        0
        Quote: chung
        "no information war is being waged against Ukraine, Putin did not interfere in Ukrainian affairs even indirectly" - aha 3-4 articles a day on Ukrainian topics.
        "Ukraine?! .. On the Military Oborzeniye?! .. Didn't hear".

        Well, since the GDP, and in general Russia and forum users, this topic is not interesting ... conclusion: All these articles are tricks of the Jews and agents of the West! laughing The goal, of course, is simple as 5 kopecks ... to arrange and support "srach" between the fraternal peoples by any available means.
        P.S. Romanov is still managing ....
        1. alone
          alone 7 November 2013 20: 12
          +7
          wassat Obama is again to blame for what Ukraine wants in the EU.
          1. xan
            xan 7 November 2013 22: 01
            +1
            Quote: lonely
            Obama is again to blame for what Ukraine wants in the EU.

            very witty
            and those who put the advantages of this post are generally sorry
            1. alone
              alone 7 November 2013 22: 51
              +1
              you have problems with humor. Ukraine goes to the EU, and then half of the forum blames the Jews for it. do you feel sorry for these people?
        2. general
          general 8 November 2013 11: 21
          -2
          "" srach "between fraternal peoples by any available methods." - Corneli agree 200%;).
    2. smersh70
      smersh70 7 November 2013 20: 39
      -3
      Quote: Corsair5912
      no information war is being waged against Ukraine,

      you probably have no TV at home and Russia24 program laughing a whole week there is a program with the logo of the road sign on the background of 2 paths-left went-went to the EU .. went right entered Russia smile not to mention articles on the site) 0 they all remembered, even Bandera’s relatives)) tomorrow there will probably be an article stating that the main reformer Stolypin was killed in Kiev ...... fool
    3. vanaheym
      vanaheym 7 November 2013 20: 40
      0
      Quote: Corsair5912
      The saddest thing for Russia and Ukraine is that there is no information war against Ukraine, Putin did not intervene in Ukrainian affairs even indirectly and did not lead anywhere to Yanukovych.

      In 2004, the same Kiselev, who on Russian TV tells what kind of hell this Party of Regions, with the same fervor, told how great they were, how they are for Russia, Russians, the Russian language, patriots and in general. And most of the Ukrainian channels, with the exception of the 5th, were poured into my ears about how to support Yanukovych so that the Nazis and nationalists would not go through and broadcast Russian programs. In 2009, the one who was forced through came again - not that ..
    4. morpex
      morpex 7 November 2013 20: 46
      -2
      Quote: Corsair5912
      no information war is being waged against Ukraine,

      Oh, come on! Turn on the central Russian channels! Not a day without negative about Ukraine!
      Link: - http://uainfo.org/yandex/220068-yak-kazati-deblzm-z-seryoznim-oblichchyam-vdeo.h
      tml ...
      Saw, saw ... but SUCH !!!
      1. Setrac
        Setrac 7 November 2013 20: 59
        0
        Quote: morpex
        Oh, come on! Turn on the central Russian channels! Not a day without negative about Ukraine!
        Link: - http://uainfo.org/yandex/220068-yak-kazati-deblzm-z-seryoznim-oblichchyam-vdeo.h

        tml ...

        What does http://uainfo.org have to do with it? This is a Ukrainian resource, not a Russian one.
        1. morpex
          morpex 7 November 2013 22: 48
          0
          Quote: Setrac
          What does http://uainfo.org have to do with it? This is a Ukrainian resource, not a Russian one.

          So the "analyst" is yours! From the Russian channel!
          1. Setrac
            Setrac 7 November 2013 23: 06
            0
            Quote: morpex
            So the "analyst" is yours! From the Russian channel!

            This is a controversial issue, whose analyst, there are many vrazhin on Russian channels.
            1. morpex
              morpex 8 November 2013 00: 02
              0
              [quote = Setrac] k, there are a lot of enemies on Russian channels. [/ quote
              That's for sure ... There are enough "smart guys" on both sides ...
    5. Algor73
      Algor73 7 November 2013 21: 00
      +2
      "... Putin did not interfere in Ukrainian affairs even indirectly ..." If Putin does not speak out about Ukraine, this does not mean that he is inactive. All policies are directed against Ukraine. Just look at how much the interstate trade turnover between our countries has decreased over the past 6 months (and not only smoktulki sweets, but much more significant products), there is continuous anti-Ukrainian propaganda in the media, renewed accusations in the gas sector, etc. And you will argue that Putin has nothing to do with it?
      1. Setrac
        Setrac 7 November 2013 21: 12
        0
        Quote: Algor73
        "... Putin did not interfere in Ukrainian affairs even indirectly ..."

        Let me draw your attention to the fact that Putin does not interfere in the internal affairs of Ukraine.
        Quote: Algor73
        And you will argue that Putin has nothing to do with it?

        If Putin does something against Ukraine, this is done inside Russia.
        Quote: Algor73
        You just look at how much interstate trade between our countries has decreased over the past 6 months (and not only smoky candy, but much more significant products)

        This was warned in advance that this would happen. The Ukrainian government decided that they would survive, it’s okay, they said in the regions - my hut is on the edge.
  • morpex
    morpex 7 November 2013 20: 38
    0
    Quote: smersh70
    ..a forget that it is Putin who brought to power Yanukovych ..

    This is a fact. And instead of admitting his mistake, he is now trying to fuck Yanek in full (by the way, Putin's actions are not cold or hot), and instead, by his actions, "has" a simple Ukrainian, since he is the last link in the chain. Hence the increased negative attitude of Ukrainians towards the Kremlin's policies.
    1. Setrac
      Setrac 7 November 2013 21: 02
      -3
      Quote: morpex
      This is a fact. And instead of admitting his mistake, he is now trying to fuck Yanek in full

      Again, the oaths were blamed, the wrong president was chosen for Ukraine. Ukraine has nothing to do with it.
      1. smersh70
        smersh70 7 November 2013 21: 26
        0
        Quote: Setrac
        Ukraine’s president was chosen

        and what isn’t it like that ... they forgot how Putin was the first to quickly congratulate Yanukovych on the previous election, when there wasn’t even a decision of the Electoral Commission and a court decision .... what was his desire to quickly legitimize his election .... then the truth intervened in tandem- Yushchenko-Tymoshenko ... but all 5 years they have been harassing their activities in the Russian information field .. and finally, with what attention they have deprived Yanukovych’s program ... as they said that Azarov was almost a new Stolypin .... or YOU the memory is short .....
        1. Setrac
          Setrac 7 November 2013 21: 33
          +1
          Quote: smersh70
          or YOU have a short memory .....

          Well, congratulations, our president is polite, Obama won too, but we have nuclear missiles looking at each other.
          Quote: smersh70
          then the truth intervened in tandem-Yushchenko-Tymoshenko ... but all 5 years how they have been chilling

          They seized power by force, for what to praise them? On the contrary, Russia's position here is very consistent.
          Quote: smersh70
          as they said that Azarov was almost a new Stolypin

          the first time I hear this, stop fantasizing.
        2. MG42
          MG42 8 November 2013 01: 43
          +1
          Quote: smersh70
          and what isn’t it like that ... they forgot how Putin was the first to quickly congratulate Yanukovych on the previous election, when there wasn’t even a decision of the Electoral Commission and a court decision .... what was his desire to quickly legitimize his election .... then the truth intervened in tandem- Yushchenko-Tymoshenko ..

          For a citizen of Azerbaijan you suspiciously knowledgeable in Ukrainian political affairs bully
      2. morpex
        morpex 7 November 2013 22: 53
        0
        Quote: Setrac
        Quote: morpex
        This is a fact. And instead of admitting his mistake, he is now trying to fuck Yanek in full

        Again, the oaths were blamed, the wrong president was chosen for Ukraine. Ukraine has nothing to do with it.

        I am not a supporter of blaming anyone for my troubles, but you shouldn't poke your nose where you shouldn't. And it turned out as one politician used to say: "... they wanted the best, but it turned out as always."
        1. Setrac
          Setrac 7 November 2013 23: 09
          -1
          Quote: morpex
          I am not a supporter of blaming anyone for my troubles. But you should not stick your nose where you didn’t have to.

          So they tell you about this, Russia has no side to the choice of Yanukovych.
          1. smirnov
            smirnov 7 November 2013 23: 50
            +1
            Yanukovych is puzzled ...
    2. Russ69
      Russ69 8 November 2013 02: 05
      0
      Quote: morpex
      and instead, by his actions, he "has" a simple Ukrainian, since he is the last link in the chain. Hence the growing negative attitude of Ukrainians towards the Kremlin's policies.

      Alas, the proverb; "The pans are fighting, the forelocks of the slaves are flying" is still relevant today. But you can't ignore Janek's actions either. Since do not cut off the oxygen, the profit, again, will be held by the authorities, not the people.
  • Sino
    Sino 8 November 2013 19: 32
    -1
    Quote: smersh70
    you can’t soo much your Slav brothers

    We have such a national sport - to defecate on one another’s head. We will not help each other, but groaning is forever.
  • Avenger711
    Avenger711 7 November 2013 16: 07
    +3
    And where does the problem of Poland? For hundreds of years they tried to drum into the Russians in the occupied territories that some Ukrainians periodically gave out nonsense about the fact that Muscovy Rus is some kind of Finno-Ugric people. The Austrians did the same. They can be congratulated, they succeeded in this, and the degenerates from among the Bolsheviks, who arranged an absurd indigenousization, which even non-Russian peoples opposed, helped. As a result, by 1940, the indigenousization was covered with a copper basin, the most zealous were shot, but the "tongues" remained. The result for the Poles themselves is sad, they raised the beast on their own head, the Ukrainians hate pshek much more than m_o_s_k_a_le_y. After the Volyn massacre and all other ethnic shifts of World War II, Poland became an absolutely mono-national state, 99% of its population is Poles. So it's best for Poland to stand on the sidelines.
    1. cashpoint
      cashpoint 7 November 2013 22: 25
      -2
      Quote: Avenger711
      For hundreds of years they tried to hammer the Russians in the occupied territories that they were some Ukrainians

      1627 year. By decree of the Tsar of Moscow, Mikhail Fedorovich and Patriarch Filaret (his father), the Ukrainian press was ordered to collect books and burn them on fires.
      1672 year. The decree prohibiting people of all ranks in all cities from owning books of the Ukrainian press at home.
      1677 year. Patriarch of Moscow Joakim ordered from Ukrainian books to destroy sheets that have a difference from Moscow books.
      1689 year. The Synod forbade the Kiev-Pechersk Lavra to print And the volume of "Cheti-Mena" by Dmitry Rostovsky.
      1690 year. Patriarch Joachim of Moscow banned all Ukrainian writing by decree. The books "Chetya-Menaion" by Daniel the Zatochnik were ordered to be burned.
      1693 year. A letter from the Moscow Patriarch to the Kiev Pechersk Lavra prohibiting any books in the Ukrainian language.
      1709 year. The decree of Peter I on the prohibition of printing books in the Ukrainian language, and books printed in Church Slavonic, check with the Russian edition so that there is no difference.
      1720 year. The decree of Peter I, that there should be no books except church editions in Ukraine, and that old books with books of the Great Russian press should be equalized so that they don’t have any difference and special dialect.
      December 20, 1720. Peter I issued a decree to the Kievan provincial prince Golitsyn to "examine and take away ancient letters of gratitude and other original courtesy letters, as well as historical, handwritten and printed books in all monasteries remaining in the Russian state."
      1721 year. The Synod ordered to send books from Ukrainian printing houses to the "Synod office" for correcting them in accordance with Russian requirements and pronunciation and collation with the censor's stigma.
      1724 year. The printing house of the Kiev-Pechersk Lavra was fined one thousand rubles for printing books that are not in every way similar to those in Great Russia. The Chernigov printing house, which was transported to Moscow, was also fined for the same amount and for the same "fault".
      1729 year. The order of Peter I on the rewriting in Ukraine of government decrees and orders from the Ukrainian language into Russian.
      1. cashpoint
        cashpoint 7 November 2013 22: 26
        -1
        1740 year. The Russian Empress Anna Ivanovna created the board of the hetman government under the leadership of Moscow Prince Alexei Shakhovsky and introduced the Russian language in office work on the territory of Ukraine.
        1748 year. The Synod’s order to Metropolitan Samuel Miloslavsky of Kiev to introduce the Russian language of instruction at the Kiev-Mohyla Academy and in all schools of Ukraine, as a result of which 866 Ukrainian schools disappeared on the Left Bank.
        The year is 1750. After the cancellation of the Office of the Ministerial Board of Little Russian Affairs in the city of Glukhov, secret office affairs were removed from it and transported to Russia. The documents of the Zaporozka Sich archive, found during the "devastation of the Sich by Lieutenant General Tekeliy in a chest under the throne of the Sich Church", ended up in the Moscow branch of the General Archive of the General Staff.
        1755 year. The Synod ordered the Kiev-Pechersk Lavra to translate into Russian the "Chetya-Menaion" of St. Dmitry of Rostov and the Kiev-Pechersk Patericon.
        1763 year. Decree of Catherine II on the prohibition of teaching in the Ukrainian language at the Kiev-Mohyla Academy.
        1764 year. The cancellation of Catherine II Ukrainian hetmanism, and with it the liquidation of Ukrainian educational and cultural institutions and the removal of Ukrainian-speaking officials from power.
        1765 year. Elimination of Catherine II Cossack structure in Slobozhanshchina and Cossack schools.
        1766 year. The synod ordered the Kiev Pechersk Lavra to publish only those books that are printed and approved by the Synod in the Moscow printing house.
        1769 year. The synod forbade the Kiev-Pechersk Lavra to print primers in the Ukrainian language and ordered them to take away primers that were already in their hands.
        1782 year. Catherine II created a commission for the introduction of public schools in Russia, whose task was to introduce the only form of study and teaching the Russian language in all schools of the empire.
        1784 year. The synod orders the Metropolitan of Kiev and Galicia Samuel to punish students and release
        from the work of teachers of the Kiev-Mohyla Academy for moving away from the Russian language.
        1785 year. The order of Catherine II across all the churches of the empire to send God's service in Russian. Russian language is introduced in all schools of Ukraine.
        1786 year. The synod again orders the Metropolitan of Kiev to control the Lavra printing house so that there is no difference with the Moscow editions, and that the Kiev-Mohyla Academy immediately introduce a system of study that is legalized for the whole empire.
        The year is 1789. In St. Petersburg, on the initiative of Catherine II, a Comparative Dictionary of All Languages ​​was issued, in which the Ukrainian language is defined as Russian, disfigured by Polish.
        1811 year. The closure of the Kiev-Mohyla Academy.
        1. cashpoint
          cashpoint 7 November 2013 22: 27
          -1
          1847 year. The defeat of the Cyril and Methodius Brotherhood.
          1853 year. Distorted publication of Grabyanka's "Chronicle".
          1862 Ukrainian Sunday schools are closed. The publication of the Ukrainian literary and scientific-political journal "Osnova" was stopped.
          1863 year. Valuevsky circular: "There was no Ukrainian language, there is no and cannot be, and who does not understand this is an enemy of Russia."
          1869 year. Law: officials of all departments were assigned a significant surcharge for Russification.
          1876 ​​year. Emsky decree. The ban on importing Ukrainian books from abroad, the ban on signing Ukrainian texts with notes, the ban on Ukrainian theater performances.
          1881 year. The law on the permission to print dictionaries in the Ukrainian language, but with Russian spelling, and the production of Ukrainian theater performances depends on the local authorities.
          1887 year. The censor returned the manuscript of the grammar of the Ukrainian language without reading, writing to the author that there is no need to allow the grammar of that language to be non-existent for publication.
          1888 year. Decree of Alexander III "On the prohibition of the use in official institutions of the Ukrainian language and the baptism of Ukrainian names."
          1889 year. In Kiev, at the archaeological congress, it is allowed to read essays in all languages ​​except Ukrainian.
          1892 year. Russian government orders censors to sternly prevent Ukrainian
          literary translations from the Russian language.
          1894 year. The ban on the import of Ukrainian books from abroad.
          1895 year. The ban of the Ukrainian reader and Ukrainian books for children.
          1903 year. At the opening of the monument to I. Kotlyarevsky in Poltava, speech in the Ukrainian language is not allowed.
          1905 year. The Cabinet of Ministers of Russia refused the application of Kiev and Kharkov universities to lift the ban on the Ukrainian language, defining the application as untimely.
          1906 and 1907. Closing of "Enlightenment" in Odessa and Nikolaev.
          1908 year. Senate decree that educational work in Ukraine is harmful and dangerous for Russia.
          1. cashpoint
            cashpoint 7 November 2013 22: 27
            -4
            1910 year. Stolipin’s decree on the admission of Ukrainians to the category of foreigners and the prohibition of any Ukrainian organizations.
            1914 year. Decree of Nicholas I on the prohibition of the Ukrainian press.
            1922 year. Liquidation of "Enlightenment" in the Kuban, Zeleny Klin and other places where Ukrainians live.
            1933 year. Stalin's telegram on the cessation of Ukrainization and the destruction of most Ukrainian writers.
            1938 year. Resolution of the Central Committee of the Communist Party (b) on the compulsory study of the Russian language in schools of the republic.
            1939 year. After the "liberation" of Western Ukraine - the closure of some Ukrainian schools and the opening of Russian schools
            1940 year. The deportation of the population of Galicia to Siberia.
            1946 year. Decree of the Council of Ministers of the Soviet Union on the approval of Ukrainian spelling, close to Russian.
            1947 year. Kaganovich conducted a purge among the figures of Ukrainian culture. A new wave of deportations of the population of Western Ukraine to Siberia.
            1949 year. The ban on returning to Ukraine to those workers who were exported during the war along with their factories. To restore industry in Ukraine sent the Russians. 100 Ukrainian young men and women were transported to the virgin lands - to Kazakhstan and Siberia.
            1958 year. Resolution of the Plenum of the Central Committee of the CPSU on the transition of Ukrainian schools to the Russian language of teaching. 17.IV. 1959, the Supreme Council of the Ukrainian SSR adopted the relevant Resolution.
            1961 year. The XXII Congress of the CPSU is a new party program about "merging nations" into a single Soviet (that is, Russian) people.
            1962 year. Repression against the defenders of the Ukrainian language.
            1970 year. The order of the USSR Ministry of Education on the writing and defense of dissertations is only in Russian.
            1972 year. Second purge and repression against Ukraine after the war. The removal from office of the First Secretary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of Ukraine P. Shelest for the insufficient fight against nationalism.
            1975 year. New censorship of Taras Shevchenko's "Kobzar". 1978. Collegium of the Ministry of Education of the Ukrainian SSR. Directive "On improving the study of the Russian language in Ukrainian schools."
            1979 year. Tashkent conference - "Russian language - the language of friendship between peoples".
            1983 year. Resolution of the Central Committee of the CPSU and the Council of Ministers of the Soviet Union "On improving the study of the Russian language in the schools of the republics." Additional payment for the Russian language of instruction 15%.
            1989 year. Resolution of the Central Committee of the CPSU "On the only official state language in the Soviet Union" (Russian). The same is in the draft Constitution of M. Gorbachov.
            1. MG42
              MG42 8 November 2013 01: 48
              +1
              cashpoint
              read the rules of the VO site, additions, where posts with the continuation can be punished by sanctions ..
              1. general
                general 8 November 2013 11: 15
                -4
                What is MG42? Don't like the information? Well, they showed you the prehistory of the appearance of the songs of Orestes the Lyuty which fit so nicely into the general picture of "banderization" outlined in this article. Any action causes opposition. Was it forbidden to move? - receive and sign.
                1. MG42
                  MG42 8 November 2013 14: 53
                  +4
                  Quote: chung
                  And what

                  Over shoulder ..
                  Quote: chung
                  Well, they showed you the prehistory of the appearance of the songs of Orestes the Lyuty, which fit so nicely into the general picture of "banderization" outlined in this article. Any action causes opposition.

                  Another type of "Mr. Brutality", attacked the wrong one .. We will return to the work of Fierce again ..
                  Quote: chung
                  Every action causes opposition. Have you forbidden mov? - receive and sign.

                  Did I forbid? Shiz mows Svidomo ranks .. lol

                  I commented because the forum newbie cashpoint violated 2 new rules at once, namely >>
                  1. Great material from another site is posted without a link ..
                  2. Four comments “continued”. Read the rules IN ..
                  1. general
                    general 8 November 2013 19: 38
                    -7
                    I agree with you MG42- they are rosianosvidomity.
                    First, the Russian Svidomo posted a simple video on half a page, and then complains about an opponent breaking the rules.
                    "..Shiza mows Svidomye ranks .. lol .."
                    1. MG42
                      MG42 8 November 2013 19: 49
                      +3
                      Quote: chung
                      Rosianosvidomity they are.

                      Examine the materiel that issvidomit> comrade chung or chang is shorter than you there, otherwise you look more like a "teapot" ..
                      Quote: chung
                      First, Russian Svidomo places a simple video on half a page

                      Well, you listened to the songs? By the way, this is already an annual concert on the Pokrov in Kiev, and this is a trend. The stage is sponsored by "freedom" ..
                      There is also a lower loser for mass, like <we are rich at once>
                      wassat
                      Quote: chung
                      and then complains about the violation of the rules by the opponent.

                      There is a button <report comment> I have not complained ..
                      I explained to the beginner about the rules of the forum, if they had not been another conversation ..: h
                      1. Ruslan67
                        Ruslan67 8 November 2013 20: 40
                        +3
                        Quote: MG42
                        , like <at once we are rich>

                        Remix: The Golodets! Get to the heap!
                      2. MG42
                        MG42 8 November 2013 20: 45
                        +3
                        Quote: Ruslan67
                        Remix: The Golodets! Get to the heap!

                        A bunch of provocateurs .. svidomity like jackals flock attack, anyway through a proxy server ..
                        Hello Ruslan!
                      3. Ruslan67
                        Ruslan67 8 November 2013 20: 57
                        +5
                        Quote: MG42
                        Hello Ruslan!

                        Now hi here drinks It seems to be working out what
                        Quote: MG42
                        Svidomity like jackals flock attack,

                        Well, each individually is a sluggish schizophrenic and the crowd is public opinion and civil society bully
                  2. general
                    general 11 November 2013 11: 10
                    0
                    "... Study the materiel that is <svidomit> comrade ..."
                    "... I didn't complain ..
                    I explained to a newbie about the rules ... "
                    I described the situation with the Russian Svidomo- if you rank yourself as such your business :)
              2. Sino
                Sino 8 November 2013 19: 38
                -6
                Quote: MG42
                I commented because a newcomer to the cashpoint forum broke 2 new rules at once, namely >>
                1. Great material from another site is posted without a link ..
                2. Four comments “continued”. Read the rules IN ..

                You are all so right love
                1. MG42
                  MG42 8 November 2013 20: 06
                  +4
                  Quote: Sino
                  You are all so right

                  Lenya, did you accidentally confuse the site? Once registered today, this is VO, not a site for gays .. winked Or have they registered specifically to admit visitors to their non-traditional orientation?
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                  6. Ruslan67
                    Ruslan67 8 November 2013 21: 02
                    +7
                    Quote: Sino
                    Well, you do not like Kitty or Zaya (

                    Well, he does not love you crying Does not love request Go and strangle your pantyhose wassat
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                  8. Ruslan67
                    Ruslan67 8 November 2013 21: 14
                    +6
                    Quote: Sino
                    may beat

                    Again on the site a lover of native jewelry on uniform request Well go ahead love The caustic vegetable in your hands Lena wassat
                  9. Apollo
                    Apollo 8 November 2013 21: 14
                    +6
                    Quote: Sino
                    But I advise you and yours ... (whether to a friend or girlfriend) - do not advertise your relationship, they can beat


                    I’ll see this again or something like that, get an 3 warning but already for flood, write on the topic.
                  10. Sino
                    Sino 8 November 2013 21: 17
                    -6
                    Quote: Apollon
                    I’ll see this again or something like that, get a second warning but already for the flood, write on the topic.

                    And here is some other topic being discussed? Apollo, no offense, this is not a topic, this is vyser!
                    By the way, reveal the secret, who complained? Who didn’t teach in kindergarten - only girls go nuts!
                  11. Apollo
                    Apollo 8 November 2013 21: 22
                    +3
                    Quote: Sino
                    And here is some other topic being discussed? Apollo, no offense, this is not a topic, this is vyser!
                    By the way, reveal the secret, who complained? Who didn’t teach in kindergarten - only girls go nuts!

                    First, don’t open, but open, or haven’t you been taught ?!
                    Secondly, in my opinion, I clearly wrote that there is no need to go over to the person (s). As for the sneak or complaint, I look through all the comments and not only yours. The last warning to you, do not run into trouble.
                  12. Sino
                    Sino 8 November 2013 21: 38
                    -3
                    Quote: Apollon
                    I look through all the comments and not only yours

                    Yes, she’s still a worker, I don’t envy.
                    As for the conflict, fear God - I don’t conflict with such people, but if so ... I threw it on the black list.
              3. Ruslan67
                Ruslan67 8 November 2013 21: 22
                +6
                Comrade Moderator! Unfortunately, this is not a flood that we all sin sometimes request especially on weekends and holidays and a well-informed provocation aimed at an adequate response from opponents but! forbidden by the rules of the site! As a result, a warning and a subsequent ban on the accumulation of people who are forced to respond to attacks in their address and when banned will not go to the site under other nicknames as they value their name hi soldier
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  • Ruslan67
    Ruslan67 8 November 2013 21: 52
    +2
    Quote: MG42
    Lenya, did you accidentally confuse the site? R

    Mixed up request Already fixed the error repeat And then on his native already wanted to put truant tongue
  • Sino
    Sino 8 November 2013 19: 37
    -5
    Quote: cashpoint
    cashpoint

    Well done! I vehemently plus, let the Ukrainians look for what they despise, otherwise the poor can not understand!
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 8 November 2013 20: 30
      +6
      You despised the Khazars who ruled you, then despised the Ruriks who replaced the Khazars, then the Mongol Tatars, then the Litvinians, then the Poles, then the Russians, then the Germans, then the Communists.
      Don't you despise yourself? Ukraine, as a state, has existed for nothing, from the moment of the Bialowieza conspiracy to this day 22 years have passed, and what are your achievements? Traveling to New York to approve your own budget? But they promised to overtake France, I remember the RUH leaflets.
      1. Sino
        Sino 8 November 2013 21: 10
        -7
        Quote: Spade
        You despised

        What to do - my nation always despised shit! Deal with it.
  • tomich
    tomich 7 November 2013 16: 18
    -13 qualifying.
    it’s high time to rename this site into Ukrainian review, we already got our articles about Ukraine
  • Grandson of Veteran
    Grandson of Veteran 7 November 2013 16: 18
    +4
    "In such conditions, joint action by Poland, Russia and healthy forces in Ukraine itself is needed to improve the socio-political climate in this country."
    Your words to God in the ears! To our great regret, the voice of "healthy forces in Ukraine itself" is practically inaudible, but the "integrators" scream with might and main. Dovizzhatsya to split the country.
    To the author of the article ++++
    1. Grandson of Veteran
      Grandson of Veteran 7 November 2013 16: 45
      +2
      Interestingly, he minus me, apparently the "European integrator". Sneeze me at your minuses, my opinion is unshakable, "eurointegrily" will bring brotherly Ukraine to a split. I am sure that this is the main goal of the gamer-oriented politicians of the Independent.
  • Samsebenaum
    Samsebenaum 7 November 2013 16: 20
    10
    How tired of this political fuss.
    Every day is the same.
    What are we biting? What do we want to prove to each other?
    Live in peace in your heart.
    And our politicians - on a shameful pillar. Through them, all unrest occurs.
    1. morpex
      morpex 7 November 2013 20: 51
      +2
      Quote: Samsebenum
      And our politicians - on a shameful pillar. Through them, all unrest occurs.

      Add to this the corrupt press. As the philosopher Kierkegaard said: "... with the invention of the printing press, the devil settled in it (and the devil is the father of lies)."
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  • shark
    shark 7 November 2013 16: 21
    0
    How tired of reading about the problems of the great and mighty "multinational" Ukraine. Maybe we'll change the record. We've got it, well, God got it.
    1. Corneli
      Corneli 7 November 2013 19: 31
      0
      Quote: shark
      How tired of reading about the problems of the great and mighty "multinational" Ukraine. Maybe we'll change the record. We've got it, well, God got it.

      It seems that people like me or Kars, or Akim are posting these crazy articles here)))) Yes, Russian chauvinists / svidomity and tully them, in order to support srach! All claims to your "colleagues"!
      P.S. That's when you start to be less fond of tipki like Romanov, Khudo, Eho, Khan and the like, offended by Ukraine, you will start to like their comments less, and admire their articles (well, or honestly, who’s who sculpts this all at once a day ) Everyone will only get better. Of course, except for the paid "igniters"), they have a job ...
    2. morpex
      morpex 7 November 2013 20: 53
      -3
      Quote: shark
      How tired of reading about the problems of the great and mighty "multinational" Ukraine. Maybe we'll change the record. We've got it, well, God got it.

      Well, yes !!! It will become boring! laughing
  • Mareman Vasilich
    Mareman Vasilich 7 November 2013 17: 48
    +2
    The reverse process of admonishing infected people in Ukraine is very long and difficult, because obscurantism interspersed with dullness has taken root for many generations. This is a very large inertia. All this is sad, it’s sad because this inertia cannot be stopped peacefully.
    1. morpex
      morpex 7 November 2013 20: 59
      +2
      Quote: Mareman Vasilich
      admonition of infected in Ukraine

      Read you, so Ukraine is right "Resident Evil" some sort. The main "infection" is 450 schizoids who call themselves the Verkhovna Rada + Gopnik President.
  • garik77
    garik77 7 November 2013 17: 54
    -3
    I'm afraid that there will be very little sense from this, almost complete zero. Svidomo is already so firmly entrenched in the minds of Western Ukrainians, and not only Western ones, that nothing can knock it out of there except blood. Ukronationalism is the closest relative of German fascism, and how it was "treated" I hope everyone remembers. Here is the same case, without bloodletting nothing will come of it. The worst thing is that this Russophobic Galician Svidomo has already amazed the younger generation in Ukraine itself. I talked here on one of the major forums on the network, so young people from 18 years old from seemingly pro-Russian Kharkov, Odessa, Donbas, Crimea !!! bases his outlook on the Ukrainian nationalist spill.
    1. vanaheym
      vanaheym 7 November 2013 20: 43
      +2
      Quote: garik77
      so young people from 18 years old from seemingly pro-Russian Kharkov, Odessa, Donbas, Crimea !!! bases its worldview on the Ukrainians of the nationalist spill.

      Russian-speaking and pro-Russian are two different things.
  • Neighbor
    Neighbor 7 November 2013 18: 02
    -5
    "Svidomo", Fascism and other similar manifestations emerged from Zionism.
  • GastaClaus69
    GastaClaus69 7 November 2013 18: 09
    +6
    The funny thing is that if you replace words like "Ukraine, Russia, Poland, Bandera, ruski" for example "Albanians, Italy, Greece, Great Albania, Illyria", you get an article about Albania! And so it is about any country in the world.

    The author take the money received for this article and donate to the orphanage, at least conscience will be cleaner.
  • FOX
    FOX 7 November 2013 18: 15
    +7
    Already got these conversations about Bandera, (........deleted by moderatorI live in Khmelnitsky, this is Western Ukraine, I do not care who is of what nationality who live here, the main thing is that people are good and my children are wealthy, healthy and have some kind of perspective in life, and you can write any name of the country - from this, people will not be able to live easier. The state (UKRAINE) is governed by MUTANTS, for whom there is no homeland, they are like vampires - they suck blood (money), and then fly away (usually political) to their "Baksologovo." For me personally, the Motherland is my family and the state that will provide a decent life for my children, and will not pull the latter, as it does with us !!!!!!!!!!!! And on nationalism they earn good money and people litter with each other, if they were smart, they got together and otm ... whether these "businessmen and women" and everything would fall into place !!!!!!!!!!!
  • Humpty
    Humpty 7 November 2013 18: 33
    -2
    They sent banderlogs to our region, there was even a whole village almost entirely of them. We lived as sorry d..mo didn’t communicate with anyone in the hole. But curiously, I know several descendants of exiled Banderlogs who consider themselves Russian and Svidomo puffs can not stand.
    1. I am a Russian
      I am a Russian 7 November 2013 23: 01
      -10 qualifying.
      Quote: Humpty
      But curiously, I know several descendants of exiled Banderlogs who consider themselves Russian and Svidomo puffs can not stand.


      + good

      exiles from western Ukraine are the so-called "kulaks", but in reality they are large families with 9-10 children. And in order not to die of hunger, they worked from night to night ... the earth fed them.

      And now on the outskirts of lazy people who are not averse to stealing gas and selling land. Only a small number of Ukrainians have self-esteem.

      Ukrainians imported lard wassat
      Lazy people !!!
  • Corsair5912
    Corsair5912 7 November 2013 18: 34
    +2
    Quote: FOX
    . The state (UKRAINE) is governed by MUTANTS, for whom there is no homeland, they are like vampires - they suck blood (money), and then fly away (usually political) to their "backlog".

    For this is a plus. In Russia, this is no better.
    Therefore, there is no information war between the Kremlin and Kiev.
    Thieves' ethics, you’re stealing yourself and don’t bother others.
    Amoebas and "elite" can survive if they know how to divide.
  • MG42
    MG42 7 November 2013 18: 46
    +2
    "Resist Banderization"
    After the UPA march in Kiev, a concert was held in Kiev, where Bandera and Shukhevych were glorified, in principle it is understandable without translation, the songs are ambiguous, moreover, petty remixed from other popular Soviet songs, for example, this "Oh Odessa pearl by the sea!" Was remade <ah Bandero ! Ukrainian apostle ..>

    there are other creations of this collective even worse converted from other popular songs from Soviet films into anti-Russian agitation >>
  • vkrav
    vkrav 7 November 2013 19: 08
    +3
    "This is w-w-w-w - not without reason!" (C) There is simply a preparation of public opinion for the division of the independent nenka, already sold and divided.
  • alekseyal
    alekseyal 7 November 2013 19: 12
    +2
    Cossacks read EU requirements
  • amp
    amp 7 November 2013 19: 18
    -13 qualifying.
    I personally can’t stand any Ukrainians; neither western nor eastern. Although he himself is half Ukrainian.
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      1. alone
        alone 7 November 2013 20: 14
        +4
        belay how can a whole nation be hated?

        Morons nervously smoke aside !!
        1. Setrac
          Setrac 7 November 2013 20: 40
          0
          Quote: lonely
          how can a whole nation be hated?

          Morons nervously smoke aside !!

          You can, of course, start an old record, like I have nothing to do with it, the government is to blame, not ordinary people, but I want to remind you that in 1941 it was not Hitler and Mussolini who were killed and raped, but those same "ordinary people" - ordinary Germans. It is possible and necessary to hate entire nations - when there is something for that, for example, for 80000 Red Army soldiers tortured by the Poles.
          And the veteran of the war was beaten by ordinary Ukrainians, I noticed he was not robbed and beaten for ideological reasons by ordinary citizens of Ukraine, not Yushchenko and Yanukovych.
          1. alone
            alone 7 November 2013 22: 49
            +6
            Quote: Setrac
            And the veteran of the war was beaten by ordinary Ukrainians, I noticed he was not robbed and beaten for ideological reasons by ordinary citizens of Ukraine, not Yushchenko and Yanukovych.


            Sergei! the other day in public transport a completely healthy guy of about 20 in the Moscow region beat a disabled Azerbaijani boy who actually went blind after being beaten! should I blame all the Russians for this? everyone has scumbags. both us, and you, and Ukrainians. The action of scumbags does not give anyone the right to blame and hate the whole nation. hi
            1. Setrac
              Setrac 7 November 2013 23: 33
              0
              Quote: lonely
              Sergei! the other day in public transport, a completely healthy guy of about 20 in the Moscow region beat a disabled Azerbaijani boy who actually went blind after being beaten!

              Is Putin to blame? And how were those who beat the veteran punished? I’ll pay attention that if beating a veteran or an Azerbaijani teenager is a crime for which the criminal will be punished. That 80000 destroyed in captivity of the Red Army is the state’s policy, an action for which all Poles are responsible. A million starved captive Germans is a crime of the entire American state.
              Killer nations must be isolated, or, if it cannot be isolated, destroyed.
    2. aleksandr1959
      aleksandr1959 7 November 2013 20: 13
      +8
      The more insignificant a person, the more categorical ....
    3. Corsair5912
      Corsair5912 7 November 2013 20: 14
      +3
      Quote: amp
      I personally can’t stand any Ukrainians; neither western nor eastern. Although he himself is half Ukrainian.

      Are you using them inside?
      The overwhelming majority of Ukrainians are quite normal good people, attacked by parasites, undeveloped nationalists, Hitler's bedding.
      But in order to get rid of parasites, it is not necessary to chop off the head, it is necessary to destroy parasites.
      1. Setrac
        Setrac 7 November 2013 20: 46
        0
        Quote: Corsair5912
        But in order to get rid of parasites, it is not necessary to chop off the head, it is necessary to destroy parasites.

        But how to do it? The technical side of the issue! How can Russia influence the situation in Ukraine? It is very easy to use such unpopular methods as customs barriers and so on to push those "ordinary Ukrainians" into action.
      2. Algor73
        Algor73 7 November 2013 21: 08
        0
        "... The overwhelming majority of Ukrainians are quite normal good people, attacked by parasites ..." Yeah, they need to add "c" to the surname, instead of the Ukrainian language, learn Russian, change the passport with a trident to a two-headed eagle and then it will turn out real Ukrainian
    4. morpex
      morpex 7 November 2013 21: 13
      +1
      Quote: amp
      I personally can’t stand any Ukrainians; neither western nor eastern. Although he himself is half Ukrainian.

      Jews also hate semi-Jews. Fact. And in general, pure is much nicer than a half-fool! wassat
  • major071
    major071 7 November 2013 20: 22
    10
    I will not write anything about the article itself. But I will describe one observation that I spent several days on our site. So, in the morning, the first members of the site appear, well, some may sit back in the night, wait for the first news to appear. And so, she appeared! Everyone rushed to read it and comment. At this time, a second article appears, then a third, then a fourth. Everything, the electorate is divided into topics and begins to post and argue. And then, suddenly, an article appeared on the topic of Ukraine. After a couple of minutes, a couple of people remain in discussion of other articles. And everyone else shouted cheers! flock to this topic, since it is the most painful for us and the Slav brothers from Ukraine. I myself am so, just jumping from the topic to the topic where I manage to leave a comment, where not, and also, like most, I hang on the topic of Ukraine. This topic attracts more and more people and I can only explain it with one thing - no matter how and whatever we write there, but we wholeheartedly support the fate of Ukraine. soldier drinks
  • atalef
    atalef 7 November 2013 20: 34
    +1
    Quote: major071
    I myself am so, just jumping from the topic to the topic where I manage to leave a comment, where not, and also, like most, I hang on the topic of Ukraine. This topic attracts more and more people and I can only explain it with one thing - no matter how and whatever we write there, but we wholeheartedly support the fate of Ukraine.

    The only one for whom (judging by the number of comments) Russians have heartache even more is Israel laughing
    1. major071
      major071 7 November 2013 21: 00
      +5
      Christmas trees, sticks, well, where are we without you. Most of the population in Israel, we consider our Russian. We say so - Russian Jews. Well, how our heart cannot hurt for you (without sarcasm). Just, for example, I share the concept of the state of Israel and the people living there. If I have a negative attitude towards the state of Israel, then it is normal towards people. drinks
      1. atalef
        atalef 7 November 2013 21: 08
        +3
        Quote: major071
        Christmas tree sticks, well, where are we without you

        That's for sure . we even if there hadn’t been in Russia --- we would have been invented all the same (It’s like in Poland - there were absolutely no Jews left after the Second World War, and the gentry blames them all for everything)

        Quote: major071
        Most of the population in Israel, we consider our Russian. We say so - Russian Jews

        Russian Jews, Ukrainian Jews - but certainly not the type of Uzbek Jews,
        Quote: major071
        Well, how our heart cannot hurt for you (without sarcasm).

        It is mutual

        Quote: major071
        Just, for example, I share the concept of the state of Israel and the people living there. If I have a negative attitude towards the state of Israel, then it’s normal for people

        And for me, having read many comments on VO, it’s often the opposite.
        1. major071
          major071 7 November 2013 21: 25
          +4
          Raise your right hand up and at the same time lowering it sharply down say Yes, you all go on ... I almost always read your posts on almost all topics. Sometimes I understand you, but more often not. No, of course you need to defend the interests of your state and people, but engage in polemics with people who specifically provoke you to this, it’s kind of childish.
          1. atalef
            atalef 7 November 2013 21: 31
            +3
            Quote: major071
            Raise your right hand up and at the same time lowering it sharply down, say Yes, you all go on

            why on, you can in ...

            Quote: major071
            No, of course you need to defend the interests of your state and people, but engage in polemics with people who specifically provoke you to this, it’s kind of childish.

            Believe me, I understand very well that you won’t change people and you won’t change them, but the presence of a lot of free time (at work) and the search for some entertainment - why not. Although (I want to note) if you remove shkolota and outright anti-Semites. there are quite a few quite adequate people on the site, but the fact that we have different opinions is understandable. countries are different. the goals of the countries are the same, and you won’t crush the mentality with your finger.
            1. major071
              major071 7 November 2013 21: 36
              +5
              Well then good luck! soldier I hope somehow in one of the topics to catch on with you, as they say, "languages". Do not expect mercy, I am from the old generation, brought up by the USSR. But I will be glad to talk. drinks
              1. atalef
                atalef 7 November 2013 23: 15
                +1
                Quote: major071
                Well then good luck! soldier I hope somehow in one of the topics to catch on with you, as they say, "languages". Do not expect mercy, I am from the old generation, brought up by the USSR. But I will be glad to talk. drinks

                With pleasure, I think we’re about the same age, but maybe I’m mistaken, although it’s unlikely, I’m probably a little older
        2. Babon
          Babon 8 November 2013 01: 08
          -1
          And why only in Russia does the heart of Jews hurt? Not only. Where did it all come from? What did the Jews do with the son of God? Since then, it’s all us punishment for his death. This is from the Middle Ages. Even when I got wet in the rain, it’s me punishment for the death of the son of God, and who is to blame? winked So it was brought to Russia, initially, it arose in other places. Initially, everything appeared from a religious context, but earlier they believed more seriously.
    2. smersh70
      smersh70 7 November 2013 21: 28
      -2
      Quote: atalef
      whom (judging by the number of comments) from Russians


      You go on the 3rd place so far .... wassat
  • serezhasoldatow
    serezhasoldatow 7 November 2013 21: 27
    0
    I will not comment on anything! Gorbachev and the drunkard Yeltsin laid this bickering. That’s the slap we got ... but!
  • Kubanets
    Kubanets 7 November 2013 21: 50
    +1
    I read all the comments carefully. It's sad somehow. Everything is straight in Brzezinski. Once fraternal peoples were split apart. His words: "Russia is incomplete without Ukraine" Well, who is our shit on hand? Rzeczpospolita from can and can?
  • Backfire
    Backfire 7 November 2013 22: 46
    -10 qualifying.
    Quote: Kubanets
    I read carefully all the comments. It’s sad somehow. Everything is straight in Brzezinski’s style. Once fraternal peoples disagree

    And when were they fraternal? When did the Gagus commissars set up a famine in Ukraine, or when the whole southeast of Ukraine was populated with all kinds of rabble instead of indigenous Ukrainians who were humiliated and deported?

    And forget about Ukraine. Look, "our". Mordva, Chuvash you "your".
    Here are your Russian "brothers":
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 7 November 2013 22: 56
      +4
      Quote: Backfire
      Look, "our". Mordva, Chuvash you "your".

      And what do you have against the Mordovians and the Chuvashs? Finns, Hungarians and other Scandinavians? My friend, such as you from Europe kick out in the ass.
      1. cashpoint
        cashpoint 8 November 2013 01: 24
        -8
        We have nothing against. The historical experiment has come to an end. Everything comes into a harmonious, natural state. Russia is turning into Muscovy the heiress of Ulus Jochi, a family of Finno-Ugric and Turkic peoples. Ukraine goes where it was before the Pereyaslovsky Treaty (which was not about any reunification, but an ordinary military alliance. The original of which is strangely nowhere to be found, because all the lies of Russian historians would bulge out.http://topsecretz.net/blog/histori/76.html) Ukraine awaits sweat and hard work to build their state, but Ukrainians will not get used to it, now they will build for themselves. I wish Russia to assimilate Muslims and find their place in self-awareness in this new reality not on historical myths and epics, but on the basis of true history.
    2. Russ69
      Russ69 8 November 2013 02: 12
      +1
      Quote: Backfire
      Here are your Russian "brothers":

      We have our own hemorrhoids. But unlike you, we do not contain this crowd at public expense, paying benefits for life.
  • Backfire
    Backfire 7 November 2013 23: 01
    -11 qualifying.
    Quote: Spade
    And what do you have against the Mordovians and the Chuvashs? Finns, Hungarians and other Scandinavians? My friend, such as you from Europe kick out in the ass.

    What tries Europe?
    Here are your brothers in the "Taiga Union", you will "communicate" with them:
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 7 November 2013 23: 04
      0
      Your europe. Which do you think should feed you.
    2. Russ69
      Russ69 8 November 2013 02: 16
      0
      Quote: Backfire
      Here are your brothers in the "Taiga Union", you will "communicate" with them:

      Unlike you in Russia, there is no Ald-Zhazira TV channel. In Russia, it is not forbidden to wear crosses, as in England ... Before you drive to Russia, take care of your ass, given your gay policy, it is still not rubber ... smile
  • Backfire
    Backfire 7 November 2013 23: 06
    -8
    You do not need to think about Ukraine, but about yourself:
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 7 November 2013 23: 15
      0
      And why should we think about it, ourselves are not small. Sign the association agreement, everything will be in an adult way. No fraternity, pure business. We need migrant workers of Slavic nationality, we need enterprises and land for cheap. And all this will be provided to us.
      1. Kars
        Kars 7 November 2013 23: 52
        +1
        Quote: Spade
        mu. No fraternity, pure business

        Now is it different?
        Quote: Spade
        We need migrant workers of Slavic nationality, we need enterprises and land for cheap.

        Your entire population of the CU is also Azerbaijanis, otherwise why are you closing the borders? So you can forget about land and enterprises.
    2. Kostya pedestrian
      Kostya pedestrian 8 November 2013 02: 05
      -1
      No wonder they say that Putin is a first-class pilot. Why unnecessary thieves of Russia? Quoting Lukashenka's words at a meeting in the Council of Ministers: "It was high time to fuck these people"
  • Cristall
    Cristall 8 November 2013 01: 02
    +1
    how tired of everything ...
    guys, maybe let's ignore (which is unbelievable - people take their souls out to find out from whom the pip list is cooler or wilted) such topics?
    That is to say - the evil spirits feed on our impure trades, so the Temks are multiplied by our "soul withdrawals"
    Down with pluralism - long live common sense!
    1. MG42
      MG42 8 November 2013 01: 55
      +1
      Quote: Cristall
      how tired of everything ...


      Maybe it's time for you to change the crystal and not cry into the vest ... like the girl from the avatar << tired >> crying If you’re tired, don’t go to the branch about Ukraine full of other branches, they’ll come here who aren’t tired ..
      That's the problem damn it ..

      Radicalization is present in fact now in Ukraine, especially since the Freedom party entered parliament..
      Torchlight procession in Kiev, however, was also in other cities of Ukraine >>

      Yanukovych may soon lose control of the situation ..
  • Cristall
    Cristall 8 November 2013 01: 02
    0
    how tired of everything ...
    guys, maybe let's ignore (which is unbelievable - people take their souls out to find out from whom the pip list is cooler or wilted) such topics?
    That is to say - the evil spirits feed on our impure trades, so the Temks are multiplied by our "soul withdrawals"
    Down with pluralism - long live common sense!
  • Kostya pedestrian
    Kostya pedestrian 8 November 2013 01: 54
    0


    That's right Kristal, join the ranks of the Chekists as our Belarusian and hero Felix Ed = mund = ovich with his comrades, otherwise such a formation as "Ukraine" was organized by evil spirits. What are the Ukrainians Makhno, burying alive Russian soldiers like in a movie about BumbaRasha, or Galicia SS killing children and women, it is not surprising that such a nation as "Ukraine" could produce such monsters as Chik0til0, Khrushchev or let Hitler open the werfolf rate. Yes, it is not easy to fight with VIAM.

    Even Danila Galitsky could not resist the horde as it was in Lithuania, and together with the Pechenegs he ruined the northern Russian principalities under Alexander Nevsky to Lithuania.

    With such a pedigree, it is better to be a homeless child under the roof of Dzerzhinsky than 11m in the evening with demons.

    By the way, our Belarus was founded by Russian V.I. Lenin, and still honor our founders, as well as Stalin.

    And whom do you honor. Bandera and the SS sitting on a suction from the Germans. And if the Russians capture the reystag again. Do you think you’ll be sitting on our choke? Somehow I'm not very vampires ...


    "Ukrainian women" apart from banditism and supermen-bubbles, as in the movie with Bezrukov, "Crusader" did not come up with anything else.


    Ps: I hope the Stars will not allow these gray-chasers to knock down my stars, or conduct an investigative experiment?
  • Cristall
    Cristall 8 November 2013 12: 17
    +1
    Ukraine - normal formation. The government is abnormal (though not only our problem - but ours is much closer to the body)
    there are many parasites on the body of our Motherland .... Moreover, I have not learned how to divide the USSR and Ukraine.
    1. I am a Russian
      I am a Russian 11 November 2013 00: 10
      0
      Quote: Cristall
      And I never learned to divide the USSR and Ukraine.


      learn ... how to
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