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Unsuccessful competition between Russia and the United States on the Indian arms market

India is currently the largest importer weapons in the world there is every reason to believe that in the coming years and even decades the situation is unlikely to change. Traditionally, India more than the rest of the countries purchased Russian armament, and the backbone of its air, sea and land forces are exactly the samples of the Russian military industry.

Despite the fact that New Delhi was always ready to buy weapons from Western countries, its interest in Russian counterparts remains quite high. In the past, India, of course, bought some models of military equipment from France and the UK, in particular military aircraft Mirage 2000, Jaguar, SeaHarrier and Havoc, as well as Milan anti-tank missiles and some types of warships. This year, even a contract worth 20 billions of dollars was awarded to France for the purchase of Rafale multi-role fighters, the delivery of which continues to this day.

Unsuccessful competition between Russia and the United States on the Indian arms marketNevertheless, Russia occupies a special place in the Indian arms market. The MiG-21 and MiG-27 fighters have been in operation for several decades and are in service with the national air force along with the Su-30, the number of which is planned to be increased to 270, and the MiG-29K (deck-based analogue of the MiG-29 for Indian aircraft carriers). Mi and Ka helicopters, Tu and Il planes, Tanks T-72 and T-90, various types of armored cars and their spare parts, anti-tank missiles, anti-aircraft weapons, boats, destroyers and submarines - all this Russia generously supplied to India. Nuclear submarines and aircraft carriers were no exception. It even launched production of a number of cruise missiles and their components, as well as fighter-bombers equipped with stealth technology to reduce visibility. This is the fifth generation of these machines, also called promising aviation Frontline Aviation Complex (PAK FA) and known as the T-50.

As the main producer of weapons for New Delhi, Moscow plays a key role not only in military supplies, but also in the transfer of relevant technologies. However, with the end of the Cold War, when Washington was striving to improve relations with New Delhi, and Pakistan’s positions in the region were shaken, India’s economic and political power in the world increased and the United States began to view this country as a serious counterbalance to China’s increasing influence. Pretty soon, American-Indian relations developed in the military sphere. So, the last few years, India has been actively seeking the supply of American weapons. Although the bulk of military imports to this country are also imported from Russia, France, Israel and the UK, India’s insatiable appetite is so great that some US military companies have also managed to make a big profit from entering into arms deals with it.

Replacing Russian weapons with American ones

The moment lost from the attention of the Russian government and its arms corporations is that India, having begun military cooperation with the United States, ignored Russian companies and their products, or even did not take them into account at all. After bidding for the supply of military equipment, in which manufacturers from the United States won, India began to replace Russian weapons with American ones. Of course, this replacement will cost New Delhi dearly, but it readily goes for it and deprives Moscow of a significant portion of its proceeds from the arms trade. In recent years, Russia has ceded to the United States a large share of the Indian arms market. As proof of this point of view, we present the following facts.

1. Martial Apache pushed Mi-28

India intended to replace its old Russian combat helicopters Mi-24 with 22 new cars. Choosing between different models, India preferred the Mi-28 and Ka-52 not offered by Russia, but the American-made Apache helicopters. The total amount of the contract for the supply of 22 of such machines is approximately estimated at 1,5 billion dollars.

2. Transport Chinook preferred Mi-26

The Indian leadership decided to purchase new heavy transport helicopters instead of Mi-26. This model is the largest in the world, and it can be said that the American Chinook is far superior in its flight qualities and price. It was the Mi-26 that once managed to deliver several Chinook helicopters injured in the mountains of Afghanistan to a repair base. However, surprisingly, India placed an order for the purchase of 15 helicopters of this American model in the amount of nearly one billion dollars.

3. Anti-submarine Tu-142 ceded P-8

For a long time the Indian fleet was armed with anti-submarine aircraft Tu-142 (a special analogue of the Tu-95 bomber). Despite this, India ordered anti-submarine P-12 from American 8 developers, and thus, together with the United States, became the first country to use these aircraft. The amount of the contract is at least estimated at three billion dollars. Perhaps in the future India will order more 12 machines of this model.

4. The victory of the transport C-130 over An-24

A significant part of the Indian transport fleet For medium-length lines, the Russian An-24 aircraft were, but India decided to find a replacement for them. Russia hoped that India would purchase new models of its transport aircraft, but it preferred the more expensive American ones, ordering 12 C-130 J models, known as SuperHercules, worth more than $ 2,1 billion.

5. Military transport C-17 Globemaster prevailed over IL-76

It can be said that over the past decades Russian IL-76 was a “star” of military transport aviation in Russia. India bought a lot of cars of this model for its own fleet. Nevertheless, despite all the advantages of the Il-76 and its latest modification, the Il-476, India, having concluded a costly contract with the United States for the purchase of ten C-17 military transport airplanes with a total value of 4,1 billion, has demonstrated its intention to acquire as much military equipment as possible. American production.

6. Triumph tactical military transport Gulfstream-3

By purchasing three Gulfstream-3 aircraft equipped with a special maritime observation radar and inertial navigation system, the Indian air force received the latest reconnaissance aircraft. More accurate information about this contract between India and the United States is kept secret.

7. Stinger vs "Needles"

Despite the fact that India once purchased a large number of Russian man-portable air defense missile systems (MANPADS) Igla-1 (according to NATO classification SA-16 Gimlet), it has now refused to continue cooperation in this area. Instead, New Delhi decided to purchase Xingmite Stinger MANPADS units and a certain amount of charges to it, thus refraining from arming their army with new and cheaper Russian Igla (SA-245 Grouse) and Igla-S (SA-18 Grinch ).

8. Project "Tejas"

The newest Indian fighter "Tejas", the production of which is now at the initial stage, is planned to be equipped with engines of the American company General Electric.

Looking to the future: the Russian Federation and military cooperation between India and the USA

Russia has missed a large economic benefit from US activity in the Indian arms market. This is evidenced by the total amount of military contracts concluded between the Americans and the Indians. Apart from the Tejas project, over the past five years, India has purchased 12 billions worth of weapons from the United States. Russia is still lucky that this list did not include more serious weapons, the delivery of which brings greater profits.

We are talking about fighter-bombers, warships and submarines, air defense missile systems, tanks and armored vehicles. India, of course, has begun to buy used US warships, but their number is still small. Given all these facts, it is worth noting that Russia needs to seriously worry about its future role in the Indian market. Most likely, India will not agree to acquire MiG-35 and Su-35, given the fierce competition from the French Rafale and future Indian fighters "Tejas".

In five years, India will update the fleet of 140 MiG-21 and 100 MiG-27 aircraft, replacing them with Rafale and Tejas. Old MiG-29, Mirage 2000 and Jaguar will also be written off in some ten years. Instead of these 260 aircraft, Russian military-industrial companies will actively offer their own products. Although the 140 Su-30 machines and more than a hundred Su-50 will most likely be purchased, Russia's efforts to maintain a monopoly over the Indian weapons market will face serious obstacles. Recall that she had not previously managed to sell the Buk -M1-2 anti-aircraft missile system (SA-17 Grizzly, according to NATO classification), because the preference was given to the Israeli Spider air defense system. The program of supplying a large number of T-90 tanks also stopped due to the start of production in India of its own model of this type of Arjun equipment.

Despite all these defeats, in the Indian arms market, Russian developers will still be able to withstand competition from French, Israeli and British companies, although it will be extremely difficult to compete with the Americans in this matter. India is already producing parts for the F-18E / F SuperHornet, which is in service with the US Air Force. The United States, in turn, makes India very attractive proposals regarding military-technical cooperation. Of course, Russia can hold a significant part of the Indian arms market in its hands for at least another decade, but the damage in the amount of 12 billions of dollars caused by competition from the United States should make a lot of thought.
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  1. Airman
    Airman 7 November 2013 15: 37 New
    The Americans apparently proposed more favorable contract terms. When a lot of money is at stake, then our Rosoboronexport, for the sake of thirst for profit, is afraid to give up a little in price or offer additional options. And you can not constantly try to supply obsolete AN-24 and IL-76, so the Indians and preferred more modern cars. And with the aircraft carrier, we dragged on too long. Well, at least they buy air defense systems and take nuclear submarines for rent.
    1. Russ69
      Russ69 7 November 2013 15: 51 New
      Quote: Povshnik
      The Americans apparently proposed more favorable contract terms. When a lot of money is at stake, then our Rosoboronexport, for the sake of thirst for profit, is afraid to give up a little in price or offer additional options.

      It's not just about money, American products are usually even more expensive. Hindus want to buy the best they think for themselves. And, unfortunately, we cannot now compete in everything.
      1. Botanologist
        Botanologist 7 November 2013 18: 20 New
        Quote: Russ69
        And, unfortunately, we cannot now compete in everything.

        As for the details of the contracts, let’s say frankly - competing with the Mi-28 with Apache and the Tu-124 with P8 is not in our favor. In the waters of the White Sea during the tests, the Tu-124 did not see the submarine in the PMU, calm, in depth, EMNIP, 50 meters. And what about the Mi-28 that we can offer from weapons? Nothing at the time of the tender. Plus, the lack of supra-muzzle radar. So ... not everything happens because America offers the conditions. Two troubles:
        - we cannot offer decent weapon systems in a number of industries,
        - our managers from Rosoboronexport are sharpened to "take in the order at any cost". And the fact that then spare parts for a year have to wait - this is "to the manufacturer" request . And the sediment, of course, remains.
  2. aksakal
    aksakal 7 November 2013 15: 45 New
    Yes, the Americans have eaten up some of the pie, but it’s also not worth dramatizing. It’s not worth it to relax, but to work and work.
  3. Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 7 November 2013 15: 55 New
    Unfortunately, we do not have such a colossal experience of lobbying as the "partners" did, and the political levers that the USSR had, alas, the complete absence of ...
  4. Yun Klob
    Yun Klob 7 November 2013 15: 55 New
    -16 qualifying.
    Rogozin everything about @ ral what
    1. an_ursus
      an_ursus 7 November 2013 16: 13 New
    2. Lyapis
      Lyapis 7 November 2013 16: 33 New
      Umm ... why Rogozin, and not Pogosyan / Serdyukov / Shoigu / Medvedev / Putin, or who else is usually accused of grinding all polymers loss of profitable contracts? what
      1. alone
        alone 7 November 2013 20: 38 New
        always need a switchman!))

        but seriously, too much loss. It makes you think.
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  6. Stiletto
    Stiletto 7 November 2013 16: 07 New
    But my thought worked in the wrong direction. I read it, sighed, thought: "Oh, so that we arm ourselves like this, and dance around our parts like that on our hind legs: you want this, you want this" ... But we did not live according to the principle - take what is left. MIGs, which Algeria refused, are for our joy, and so on. Fortunately, no one will arm us, except for us. And the money that could be used to re-equip the army, we keep in the securities of the American National Welfare Fund. So somehow. Incomprehensible what
  7. an_ursus
    an_ursus 7 November 2013 16: 09 New
    The backlog of military equipment of the USSR has ended, new in Russia has not been created in the required quality. As you know, time is money. And what kickbacks the United States of America give in promoting their technology is a fairly well-known fact. Regarding the phrase that set the teeth on edge - Hindus are friends and other beleberds, commander A. Suvorov said: "Service and friendship are two parallel lines: they do not converge." We will have to work wonders in military technology and Eastern diplomacy ...
  8. servant.
    servant. 7 November 2013 16: 10 New
    So the Hindus already didn’t need our junk .... And our own army is glad of that too ...
    1. KCC
      KCC 7 November 2013 16: 28 New
      What junk, the Indians are offered a new, cheaper and better quality technique than the one that the Americans sell, as the article says. The question of why they buy from them, in my opinion, one of the two is either kickbacks or a political twist in the head of the Indians.
      1. servant.
        servant. 7 November 2013 16: 34 New
        Ha! And what do you call the latest technology? T-90? Tu-95? IL-76 (476)? MiG-29?
        And what do you call Amer’s junk? S-17? P-8? Apache?
        You yourself are not funny?
        1. Lyapis
          Lyapis 7 November 2013 17: 08 New
          No, not funny.
          Well, let’s put the S-17 and R-8 really new, but the rest ...
          Apache-launched in the series in the early 80s (even earlier Mi-28);
          Stingers-1978, about Hercules and the Chinooks, it’s not even worth talking about — ancient machines like the mammoth guano.
          Another thing is that they are all modernized, well, so we are doing the same.
      2. godun
        godun 7 November 2013 17: 08 New
        Or amers technique is better. India has money for weapons, so they choose ...
        1. wolfhunter2035
          wolfhunter2035 7 November 2013 19: 17 New
          Is their technique better? phahahhahahah laughing )))
      3. servant.
        servant. 8 November 2013 08: 11 New
        Another topic about our new technology -Http: //
  9. Cherdak
    Cherdak 7 November 2013 16: 11 New
    Something quite gloomy Amin Parto. It is evident that his Iranian blood is rebelling against the dominance of Americans and other NATO countries. Let them rejoice that the S-300 is again being considered for them in Russia. You look, and Medvedev will soon be fired ... to the delight of many
  10. Strashila
    Strashila 7 November 2013 16: 19 New
    There are objective reasons ... for the last decades we have been dealing with electronics, just like with optics ... big problems ... everything is fucked up, there is no financing for new developments, the whole backlog of achievements of the Soviet era was handed over to the West, which allowed them to make a qualitative leap ... the remnants of past luxury ... enterprises in these areas are nullified, as a class, by the attitude of the authorities.
    It is not an unimportant factor that in the United States the government openly dates the military-industrial complex ... and the amounts are measured in hundreds of billions of dollars.
    In our own country ... there is a struggle for control over the enterprises of the military-industrial complex, or rather budget financing of procurement, which does not bring anything good ... money is quietly floating away to the West ... the bottom line is the collapsed enterprises with debts.
    Statements of bureaucrats of the Ministry of Defense about the worthlessness of our technique of popularity did not add to her.
    All in total ... what we have in the Indian market.
  11. makarov
    makarov 7 November 2013 16: 21 New
    But just the other day, the positioning of India in relation to the Russian Federation was discussed.
    And that's how it turns.
  12. rugor
    rugor 7 November 2013 16: 28 New
    This is a super competitive market. You need to hold your nose in the wind, you hesitate a little, they will get around right away, not the Americans, so the Chinese. A lesson to us for the future.
    1. igor36
      igor36 7 November 2013 16: 52 New
      But the Chinese, I think, will not go around; the Indians simply will not take from them rivals in Asia.
  13. Mercenary
    Mercenary 7 November 2013 17: 27 New
    no need to panic. India at one time did not allow our defense industry to die quietly. And by and large it fulfilled its role. Now it’s not necessary to consider losses, but to draw conclusions.
    1. training.
    a) offer a large scholarship.
    b) build departmental housing for young professionals.
    c) compulsory development at the end of vocational schools (5, 10 ... years)
    d) the compulsory involvement of oligarchs in the educational process. (not only do they use national natural resources, labor), they also train personnel at our expense.
    2. science development
    a) free contracted higher education (nothing to prepare scientists for Americans) studied for free work home You will try all the benefits of the Soviet period.
    reform from the very beginning of training.
  14. kafa
    kafa 7 November 2013 17: 50 New
    everything is trivial and just bought from Vanya from Sam bought Vanya and Sam will fight and will be given for free all if only to be friends with him smile forgot where the qigans came their Indians survived lol
  15. Nayhas
    Nayhas 7 November 2013 18: 33 New
    India buys weapons from the US only because they are the best in the world. At the same time, the United States does not pose any obstacles to this. Among the allies of the United States, there are not so many countries for which Congress would remove all restrictions on the sale of weapons, and a surprising exception was made for India. India pays BIG money for American weapons because it understands that there is no equal to it and that China, no matter how puffed up, will not produce anything even close in level. Russia cannot offer anything equivalent, Tu-142 against Poseidon? Who are you making fun of the author? Flying junk that has not been produced for thirty years with equipment on lamps against the most modern PLO aircraft? Il-476, which was barely made in one copy against the C-17 of which FOUR copies have already been transferred to India? Mi-28 which is "night" only on paper, and the radar is mm. range are only going to be put on the Mi-28NM against the Apache-E, which has everything in the kit for a long time + a bonus in the form of control of three shock UAVs?
    There are no tricks of the United States here, the domestic defense industry has long been blown away and cannot get out of the 20th century and therefore India makes a choice not in favor of it ...
    1. servant.
      servant. 7 November 2013 18: 55 New
      Everything is so ... It is not insulting ... Well, God bless her with India, you need to think about yourself.
      1. Nayhas
        Nayhas 7 November 2013 19: 13 New
        Quote: serviceman.
        Well, God bless her with India, you need to think about yourself.

        It is necessary ... Let me throw rotten tomatoes, but my pessimism continues to justify itself. And if with attack helicopters it moves forward even with a creak, and the issue of transport aviation is not so hopeless, but PLO aviation is dying and will soon disappear as a class ...
  16. wolfhunter2035
    wolfhunter2035 7 November 2013 19: 01 New
    Quote: Lyapis
    Umm ... why Rogozin, and not Pogosyan / Serdyukov / Shoigu / Medvedev / Putin, or who else is usually accused of wrecking all polymers with the loss of profitable contracts?

    because Putin and Shoigu on the contrary raise our country !!!!
  17. wolfhunter2035
    wolfhunter2035 7 November 2013 19: 09 New
    Quote: Nayhas
    India only buys weapons in the United States because it is the best there is in the world.

    the best in the world? phahhaahahah laughing laughing laughing belay
    1. Nayhas
      Nayhas 7 November 2013 19: 17 New
      Quote: hanter2035
      the best in the world? phahhaahahah

      Go on, the boys will appreciate.
  18. clidon
    clidon 7 November 2013 20: 01 New
    1. Martial Apache pushed Mi-28
    There is nothing particularly surprising here. Apaches are proven vehicles with powerful, modern weapons. The Mi-28 can only boast better booking and lower cost so far.
    2. Transport Chinook preferred Mi-26
    Both the Mi-26 and Chinook are great cars, so the choice here was dictated more by political or logistic preferences.
    3. Anti-submarine Tu-142 ceded P-8
    There is nothing particularly surprising here - the Tu-142 and the vehicle are not very new, and the Indians had problems with the Sea Dragon.
    4. The victory of the transport C-130 over An-24
    Similarly, the new model C-130J against a veteran.
    5. Military transport C-17 Globemaster prevailed over IL-76
    7. Stinger vs "Needles"
    Needle and Stinger are close in capabilities missiles. Apparently I wanted to try something new.

    But the main problem is that the days when India was tied to the domestic defense industry passed with the end of isolation. Not surprisingly, now Delhi does not want to put all its eggs in one basket.
  19. Russ69
    Russ69 7 November 2013 20: 48 New
    The Americans moved us in India, we are in Iraq, now in Egypt a similar situation is planned ...
    Egypt in the near future is going to purchase the most modern types of weapons from Russia. The amount of the first transaction may amount to four billion dollars.
    One of the Gulf states has already agreed to pay for the deal with Russia for Egypt. According to informed sources, Moscow offered Cairo "to conclude a historic deal, giving the latter the right to choose the most modern types of weapons, without any restrictions on individual combat systems, which has often happened before."

    It is noteworthy that the recent visit of US Secretary of State John Kerry to Egypt was mainly related to the conclusion of a deal to sell weapons to Cairo. The head of the Department of State demanded that Minister of Defense Abdel Fattah al-Sisi refuse to conclude a contract for the purchase of arms from Russia, promising to return the relations of Cairo and Washington to the previous level. Al-Sisi, as RIA Novosti reports, rejected all the proposals of the American diplomat.
  20. mountain
    mountain 8 November 2013 01: 51 New
    Who has a friend in India. They need to say that they have their own Serdyukov appeared.
  21. saramb
    saramb 13 November 2013 00: 06 New
    So that tan sells the best weapons, to a potential ally of Russia ha ha ha don't laugh my cat’s eggs laughing .Russia is the number one enemy for amers, and India is an ally, they will not sell them for anything at all, because maybe we have something to cross, some technologies. Rather, in India, too, they learned to cut the budget and get kickbacks smile