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Some postings of Lev Vershinin became the motive for writing this text.


The main idea of ​​the author (and he has a significant number of solidary "patriots") is that we need to urgently organize "justice" (tm), and then the people who are disillusioned with Putin will arrange rebellion, revolution and other obscene things. Without denying the need for anti-corruption sweeps, I would like to make a few clarifications. The text is devoted to all propalschiki as a phenomenon, and it should not be considered as a comment / response to any specific Vershinin text. These are general reflections on topics that greatly disturb our Internet “patriotic public”.

1. Let's really look at the last 10-12 years. If you were told in 2000 about the current state of the Russian economy, the army, the foreign policy situation, etc., if you are not a fool, then you would (IMHO) say that: a) this is highly unlikely, b) if it is real it turns out, the country's leader is worthy of a monument in his lifetime. Great American minds (I understand that now Brzezinski is considered to be an insane old woman, but those who think so, know little about the real world) at the beginning of 2000's seriously discussed how the Russian Federation would fall apart into pieces in just a year or two. Do you think idiots could have such success? After all, to assert that the Kremlin “does not understand” the need to shoot Chubais / put Serdyukov / quartet Vasilyev (underline) or somehow arrange “justice” (tm) means that the Kremlin leaders are moron. Judging by the path they have traveled over the past 12 years, I am not ready to agree with this assessment. Well, those who really consider them morons, let them try to make a revolution. It's so easy to beat the Kremlin cretins who “don’t feel the country” :)

2. About the shootings. Favorite dream of "patriotic public." It seems to some that if you start shooting “like in China” (tm), then everything will become zashib and everyone will feel “justice”. But hrenushki. We have just the example of China. Do you think that during their executions, local all-propellers sing an ode to the Chinese Chekists? Yeah, schaz! Their microblogs are full of cries about the fact that they shoot little / not those / not so fast, and in general “the main corrupt officials always go away from retribution because they sit in the Central Committee! Well, a particularly unkillable argument: "But X has not yet been shot!" And this firmly proves that to satisfy such comrades well, it is simply impossible. Or maybe, but then the country will have to be settled again.

The effectiveness of the Chinese shootings is, by the way, also a myth. They, of course, help someone to frighten, but they do not generate a “sense of justice”. For the palliative. And so, the system: “I stole - I made a Canadian passport - I ran away with my family” has been working quite adequately for almost 25 years :) Official Chinese statistics have recognized 18000 of such cases since 1990, but most likely there were more. They fled and continue to run, and they run before they are captured, well, purely like the Gurievs and Alexashenki.

3. The only way is right tomorrow, and right now, to cover the whole 5 column, “get rid of the buck,” etc. implies a sharp (very sharp) decline in the standard of living of the population. Moreover, the import substitution system will have to be set up quickly, “on the knee”, to the cries of all the pro-fighters and not having a large developed and sane organizational repressive mechanism. You know, if it would be really more important for people to hang on Abramovich’s rey than to have cheap imported products and a “Ford Focus on Credit”, then there would be 24 / 7 rallies in front of the Kremlin under red flags. Something they are not. Why did it happen? Maybe the people are not important abstract justice, and the ability to maintain (ideally - improve) their quality of life today?

By the way, there is an example of very brave elitarians who got rid of the dollar and in general are the dream of any “real patriot” (tm) - Iran 2007. There is a religiously obedient people, but after the economic shock, the galloping inflation and the fall in the standard of living, the Ayatollahs had big problems with retaining power. What will happen in a temporarily hungry transitional Russia under a similar situation is scary to imagine. It is not necessary to decouple from the international system quickly and beautifully, but to think things through slowly and well.

Recently, Sechin launched a bomb - an international gas exchange project without dollars (http://arguendi.livejournal.com/604602.html?thread=21703610#t21703610). It would seem that all “Vershinin” need to arrange a stormy ovation, to support the roar of “Sechin-Sechin-Sechin!” From the virtual Internet stands to drown out the wicked promptings of the fifth column, which already requires the project to be buried, and the head of “Rosneft” to be disposed of ( “If anything happened and the Western partners were not offended”). But no! On good news - sneeze. Let Sechin himself understand, because "Vasilyev has not been planted yet !!!"

4. About the storage of gold reserves in US bonds.
Before we move on to the technical aspects, I would still like to learn from the ... golikov: are the leaders of China - are they all traitors? or the economy does not "fumble"? That is why they keep their gold reserves in US bonds? Probably, they are still cretins. Well, or a colony.

Now the technique. In addition to the aspect that money parked in the gold and foreign currency reserves does indeed finance the American economy, there is one more, but already unpleasant for Americans. The Chinese portfolio of American bonds, and the Russian one, by the way, also (but more difficult) is enough to arrange a small, victorious collapse of the US debt market, if desired. And even not necessarily to sell them, the very statement about the sale will already be a good reason for panic. The Federal Reserve, of course, can urgently monetize all this, but the American markets are not in the state that anyone in the White House wants to play Russian roulette with international financial markets. It turns out that a certain number of countries on the planet have a financial counterpart of nuclear weapons. Especially delivers to read at the same time the American and Chinese patriotards: the American are confident that the Chinese are buying America through bonds and holding Washington by the balls, the Chinese are sure that the selling PDA is paying tribute to the Americans. And the reality is that it is (as always) more difficult than the ideas of ... golik of any nationality.

By the way, if you take the data from the US Treasury from August 2012 to August 2013 (more recent are not on the Treasury website), then suddenly (!) It turns out that the volume of Russian investments in US bonds is falling, not growing. Surprise, yes? Well ... you won't write about the golik, because they don’t fit in with the narrative about the fact that there are morons and traitors in the Kremlin.

As of August, we have 2012 in US bonds: $ 162,9 billion, as of August 2013 - $ 136 billion. Given that, according to the Central Bank of the Russian Federation, international reserves for this period increased from $ 510 billion to $ 512 billion. mode. The reserves are growing, and the number of US bonds on the balance sheet is falling. We have to conclude that Russia is selling them out. Slow and neat. By the way, where's the applause? Well, or at least cheer those who sell? Oh yeah, I forgot! “Vasilyev has not yet been shot !!!!”, and therefore to hell with Putin, and not support. Right. Let him further know that nefig to wait for support from the “patriotic public” (tm).

5. Now about justice. Psychologists and marketers have long established a banal fact: if a person doesn’t have anything to compare with what he has, then the level of satisfaction is inevitably higher. And modern marketing is a whole science to activate this feeling of dissatisfaction, and often from scratch. Make a woman feel like a freak if she does not meet some unattainable standards of beauty? Easy! Make adults and like normal men put their self-esteem dependent on the nameplate on their means of transportation in traffic jams? Easily! Making the most reading country in the world believe that “party privileges” are such horror and horror that they allow their country to be destroyed in the name of “justice!”? As practice shows, this is also possible. Lev Vershinin writes that the Soviet people in 1991 were deceived by the “sweet lie”. Why is it so difficult to protect society from this sweet lie? Why does the censorship act (in various forms) against the attempts to shake the society on the wave of social tension both in the West and in China? It's simple: the distributors of sweet lies use the real problems of society, but they make it so that society gives them hypertrophied meaning. Doctors know that a hypochondriac can simply be killed by writing down in detail the possible complications of the disease and giving it (let it be honest), but not an optimistic forecast. After the last centuries, in which Russia methodically (from Herzen to Akunin) was taught to hate themselves, to despise their abilities and to look to the future with longing, Russian society became a collective hypochondriac. Now professional all-propals are killing Russia - just like the USSR was killed by those who made a fetish from the fight against privileges for "justice."

And here, IMHO, there is no justification for the kind that “a person points to problems, well, he really sees it, with an emphasis on the negative.” I continue to believe that people who are professionally proficient (for example, Vershinin) should demand the same responsibility as people who professionally own weapons.

Last thing. Lyric

I hate with all my heart the slogan "Paris Spring 1968". The famous “Be realistic, demand the impossible!” Is the life credo of the infantile and hysterical owners of “active citizenship”. It was from this slogan that the fall of the great France of de Gaulle and its transformation into the present nest of gays and American bedding began.

For Russia, nothing is impossible, and история proved it. But! It is impossible to create a miracle by sternly stamping a foot on the Internet, demanding that everything be good immediately. If you need a miracle, you need to do it. Russia needs another slogan: “Be realistic, DO the impossible!”

Everything will work out. It can not fail.
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  1. Canep
    Canep 6 November 2013 07: 42
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    It's hard to add something. But I think that a normal patriot will not throw mud at the "Putin regime", which pulled the country out of shit for 12 years and made the whole world reckon with it (the country). For example, Ukraine, where all (the leadership) are dragging the blanket over themselves, and the country is in shit.
    1. papik09
      papik09 6 November 2013 08: 27
      13
      That's for sure. Tired when this happens. For 22 years they have been "pulling" Ukraine and everything is not enough for them. am
      1. Arberes
        Arberes 6 November 2013 12: 01
        +7
        Canep
        Putin's regime ", which pulled the country out of shit for 12 years [/ quote]
        He didn’t pull it out, he just didn’t let go completely.

        [quote = papik09] For 22 years they have been "messing with" Ukraine and everything is not enough for them. [/ quote]
        Soon everything will be decided ???
        It's a pity if the "Derbans" win!
    2. INTER
      INTER 6 November 2013 08: 37
      +9
      Quote: Canep
      It's hard to add something. But I think that a normal patriot will not throw mud at the "Putin regime", which pulled the country out of shit for 12 years and made the whole world reckon with it (the country). For example, Ukraine, where all (the leadership) are dragging the blanket over themselves, and the country is in shit.

      + I agree that this man, in addition to everything, stopped the civil war in the Caucasus and did not allow it to grow, restored the army, the people had hope. Yes, and I’ll add to all this, remember the line for food, and the car in today's Russia is not a luxury, poorly poorly quietly everything is restored peacefully!
      Give the state 20 years of peace, internal and external, and you will not recognize Russia! Stolypin. after the Chechen events, not even 20 have passed. May God grant us peace and we really will not be recognized!
      Stalin, 1931, 10 years before the war: "We are 50-100 years behind the advanced countries. We must cover this distance in ten years. Either we do it, or we will be crushed."
      1. alone
        alone 6 November 2013 19: 01
        +4
        Quote: INTER
        Give the state 20 years of peace of internal and external, and you will not recognize Russia! Stolypin. after the Chechen events, 20 ty did not pass. May God grant us peace and we really will not be recognized!


        I wish the people of Russia peace and prosperity. But let us analyze the situation a little. You say that after the Chechen companies less than 20 years have passed. Yes, the active phase of the hostilities ended mostly in 2002, when the last large groups were destroyed. the war in the northern Caucasus continues. yes, there are no large forces holding settlements, but there are terrorists who have long ago transferred their actions to these seven republics of the northern Caucasus, as well as the Stavropol Territory. To live in peace it is time to put an end to terrorists once and for all.
      2. atalef
        atalef 6 November 2013 19: 12
        +5
        Quote: INTER
        Give the state 20 years of peace of internal and external, and you will not recognize Russia! Stolypin. after the Chechen events, 20 ty did not pass. May God grant us peace and we really will not be recognized!

        In general, the concept of calm is so ephemeral that it is not possible to define it specifically, as well as the fact that this calm seems to violate. but it seems not yet. Wudu in Belgium. I encountered one garbage there, it turns out that the biggest tragedy in life for many Belgians is to lose a diary (their life is so happy) - apparently. that they have nothing to do except keep a diary, so here they write down everything they did during the day. that at the end of the year, over a glass of wine, re-read and recall the past year, sobbing and wiping snot. So howls if he lost --- A YEAR FROM LIFE HAS DROPPED.
        I looked at her (telling) and thought --- YOU WOULD ... BE OUR PROBLEMS.
        Therefore, everything is relative.
    3. vladimirZ
      vladimirZ 6 November 2013 08: 40
      +1
      I do not agree with the author of the article. Not to see the "results" of the activities of Putin and Medvedev in strengthening oligarchic capitalism in Russia, which led to an unprecedented gap between the quality of life of the poor and the rich, to the impoverishment of the subjects of the federation, except for Moscow, to a pogrom in the Army, education, science, to unprecedented corruption of power, can only those who do not want to see it.
      It is short, who wants can find a lot of material on the Internet on these issues.
      For example, in the "Appeal of the State Duma deputies who made a proposal of no confidence in the government of the Russian Federation" in July 2013. http://kprf.ru/dep/gosduma/statements/120453.html
      1. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 6 November 2013 09: 00
        +3
        Quote: vladimirZ
        Not to see the "results" of the activities of Putin and Medvedev to strengthen oligarchic capitalism in Russia, which led to an unprecedented gap between the quality of life of the poor and the rich, to the impoverishment of the subjects of the federation, except for Moscow, to a pogrom in the Army, education, science, to unprecedented corruption of power, can only the one who does not want to see it.

        All this, of course, is not in such black colors as you described, but it is. It’s another matter that it’s impossible to fix all this at once, it’s physically impossible, a person’s worldview, mentality can’t be quickly changed until we are back from the 90s, but it’s noticeable that we are moving away.
        Quote: vladimirZ
        For example, in the "Appeal of the State Duma deputies who made a proposal of no confidence in the government of the Russian Federation" in July 2013.

        Well, yes, the State Duma deputies are the golden layer of society, and the word "golden" should be taken literally.
        In general, I don’t have pink glasses in front of my eyes, but now I can at least somehow plan my life, there’s enough shit, but in the world it’s full, basically, sat down.
        1. vladimirZ
          vladimirZ 6 November 2013 10: 12
          10
          In general, I don’t have pink glasses in front of my eyes, but now I can somehow plan my life ...


          Happy for you. Here are just tens of millions of people who have lost confidence in the future: where to find work, work or close a factory, and what to feed a family, how to live on a pension of 5-6 thousand rubles, for which money to carry out a vital operation, etc. . etc.
          Well, for the fact that "the State Duma deputies are the golden layer of society" and therefore its information can be ignored and not taken for reality, then forgive it, it's just demogogy on your part.
          Oligarchic capitalism with the massive participation of the comprador bourgeoisie in it, headed by Putin, Petrov, Sidorov, will not think about people, about the development of the country's economy, except for the quickly realized resource complexes. Their task is to plunder the natural resources of Russia and to export the loot to themselves abroad.
          So blessed is he who believes.
          1. baltika-18
            baltika-18 6 November 2013 11: 09
            +8
            Quote: vladimirZ
            Oligarchic capitalism with the massive participation of the comprador bourgeoisie in it, headed by Putin, Petrov, Sidorov, will never think about people, about the development of the country's economy

            Well said and true. Putin has been steadily climbing into the WTO. And who benefits from the WTO? Let's look at the numbers. July 2012 salary arrears in the country are 2 billion rubles, August 2013 2,5 billion rubles, negative dynamics, unemployment August 2012- 5%, August 2013-8%, the dynamics is negative. Losses from the reduction of customs duties-445 billion rubles, this state did not receive, but the companies involved in import received. Even on these points it is clear that the WTO is beneficial only to money bags, and to hard workers, to small business, and middle peasants, it’s just a headache.
          2. xan
            xan 6 November 2013 16: 10
            -6
            Quote: vladimirZ
            Happy for you. Here are just tens of millions of people who have lost confidence in the future: where to find work, work or close a factory, and what to feed a family, how to live on a pension of 5-6 thousand rubles, for which money to carry out a vital operation, etc. . etc.

            You think - lost! And under Yeltsin there was such confidence! It turns out so, having gone through the polymer?
            1. vladimirZ
              vladimirZ 6 November 2013 16: 38
              +6
              People had confidence in the future under the Soviet regime, disappeared under Jude Gorbachev and the drunkard of the US puppet Yeltsin and did not appear under Putin, no matter how much they praised him.
              So, you don’t have to measure time from the period of traitors and adventurers Gorbachev and Yeltsin, in Russia there were happier times.
            2. Normal
              Normal 6 November 2013 18: 42
              +4
              Quote: xan
              It turns out so, having gone through the polymer?

              Are you "still a common polymer"? It's a matter of time ...
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          3. Don
            Don 6 November 2013 18: 09
            0
            Quote: vladimirZ
            That's just tens of millions of people have lost confidence in the future

            I’m wondering if you personally interviewed these millions?
            Quote: vladimirZ
            where to find work, work will be done or factory will close

            And in what country will they give you such confidence?
            Quote: vladimirZ
            how to live on a pension of 5-6 thousand rubles

            As far as I know, the average pension in the Russian Federation is 11 thousand rubles.
            Quote: vladimirZ
            Oligarchic capitalism with the massive participation of the comprador bourgeoisie in it, headed by Putin, Petrov, Sidorov, will not think about people, about the development of the country's economy, except for the quickly realized resource complexes.

            Is this your personal opinion and what kind of raw materials complexes?
            Quote: vladimirZ
            Their task is to plunder the natural resources of Russia and to export the loot to themselves abroad.

            Oh come on. I see you know everything straight, you know everything. In the know about all their affairs.
          4. Don
            Don 6 November 2013 18: 09
            -1
            Quote: vladimirZ
            That's just tens of millions of people have lost confidence in the future

            I’m wondering if you personally interviewed these millions?
            Quote: vladimirZ
            where to find work, work will be done or factory will close

            And in what country will they give you such confidence?
            Quote: vladimirZ
            how to live on a pension of 5-6 thousand rubles

            As far as I know, the average pension in the Russian Federation is 11 thousand rubles.
            Quote: vladimirZ
            Oligarchic capitalism with the massive participation of the comprador bourgeoisie in it, headed by Putin, Petrov, Sidorov, will not think about people, about the development of the country's economy, except for the quickly realized resource complexes.

            Is this your personal opinion and what kind of raw materials complexes?
            Quote: vladimirZ
            Their task is to plunder the natural resources of Russia and to export the loot to themselves abroad.

            Oh come on. I see you know everything straight, you know everything. In the know about all their affairs.
          5. little man
            little man 6 November 2013 19: 50
            +4
            Vladimir, here is the latest news:
            Putin raised the salary of deputies to 253 thousand rubles a month
            http://news.mail.ru/politics/15527700/?frommail=1
        2. baltika-18
          baltika-18 6 November 2013 14: 11
          16
          Quote: Vladimirets
          oh you can’t fix it all at once

          For 13 years, this is instantaneous. Original. And not at the same time it began to be 2 more times 6 equal to 12, and then that the son-in-law for the presidency will ripen, but this is sarcasm. But after all, from 1927 to 1941, Stalin was only 14 years old. 8640 enterprises all over the country, not shops and shopping centers, namely enterprises, were built during this period. Tell me the system was different. That's right, the other. The output of the system needs to be changed. And who created the system? The president with his team. The circle closed.
          1. Aleksys2
            Aleksys2 6 November 2013 15: 08
            +4
            Quote: baltika-18
            But after all, from 1927 to 1941, Stalin was only 14 years old.

            For your information:
            In 1930, the construction of about 1500 facilities was launched, of which 50 absorbed nearly half of all investments. A number of gigantic transport and industrial structures were erected: Turksib, DneproGES, metallurgical plants in Magnitogorsk, Lipetsk and Chelyabinsk, Novokuznetsk, Norilsk as well as Uralmash, tractor plants in Stalingrad, Chelyabinsk, Kharkov, Uralvagonzavod, GAZ, ZIS (modern ZIL and others) In 1935, the first stage of the Moscow Metro with a total length of 11,2 km was opened.
            In the 1932 year, the USSR refused to import tractors from abroad, and in the 1934 year, the Kirov plant in Leningrad began to produce the Universal cultivating tractor, which became the first domestic tractor exported abroad. In the ten pre-war years, about 700 thousand tractors were produced, which amounted to 40% of their world production.
            The result of the first five-year periods was the development of heavy industry, due to which GDP growth during the 1928-40 years, according to V. A. Melyantsev, was about 4,6% per year (according to other, earlier estimates, from 3% to 6,3%) . Industrial production during the 1928 — 1937 years. increased by 2,5 — 3,5 times, that is, 10,5 — 16% per year. In particular, the release of machinery during the 1928 — 1937 period. grew on average 27,4% per year.
            By 1940, about 9 thousand new plants were built. By the end of the second five-year period in terms of industrial production, the USSR took the second place in the world, second only to the USA (if we consider the British metropolis, dominions and colonies as one state, then the USSR will be in third place in the world after the USA and Britain). Imports dropped sharply, which was seen as the country's gaining economic independence. Open unemployment has been eliminated. Employment (at full rates) increased from one third of the population in 1928 to 45% in 1940, which accounted for about half of GNP growth. For the period 1928 — 1937. Universities and technical schools have trained about 2 million specialists. Many new technologies have been mastered. So, only during the first five-year period was the production of synthetic rubber, motorcycles, watches, cameras, excavators, high-quality cement and high-quality steel grades launched. The foundation was also laid for Soviet science, which, in certain areas, eventually gained leading world positions. On the established industrial base, it became possible to carry out large-scale rearmament of the army; during the first five-year period, defense spending rose to 10,8% of the budget.
            1. bolonenkov
              6 November 2013 15: 56
              -6
              You forgot to make people aware that by that time there had already been a famine in the country twice ...
              1. Aleksys2
                Aleksys2 6 November 2013 16: 57
                +7
                Quote: bolonenkov
                that by that time there had already been a famine twice in the country ...

                And WWI, and two revolutions, and Civil ...
            2. Normal
              Normal 6 November 2013 18: 54
              +6
              Quote: Aleksys2
              For your information:

              Now compare this data with what the Sdelanounas website advertises. Not comparing, right? Although there is something to compare;
              By 1940, about 9 thousand new plants were built. By the end of the second five-year period in terms of industrial production, the USSR occupied second place in the worldsecond only to the USA

              ....
              Russian Federation occupied second place in the world ranking by the number of migrants. According to the UN report, their number in our country has reached 11 million people.

              www.rg.ru/2013/09/12/migranty-site.html
              1. bolonenkov
                6 November 2013 19: 18
                -4
                Quote: Normal
                Now compare this data with what the Sdelanounas website advertises.

                In what form do you want to compare it? That is, you are comparing clear statistics with a website where users themselves enter the news ....

                It’s like comparing an encyclopedia with wikipedia ...
                1. Normal
                  Normal 6 November 2013 21: 58
                  +5
                  Quote: bolonenkov
                  So you are comparing clear statistics

                  Is it "doneunas" clear statistics? Something does not pull these data in comparison with what is inscribed by the Soviet people (scoops in your opinion) in History.
                  Quote: bolonenkov
                  It’s like comparing an encyclopedia with wikipedia ...

                  Well, if "doneunas" is an encyclopedia, then what to talk about with you?
                  In general, talking with you is akin to talking to a network salesman selling pensioners sets of knives that do not require sharpening and unique vegetable cutters. Such a seller does not listen or perceive any objections or arguments, but pronounces a memorized text. So he was taught. Such a program in his head. He needs to push in the stale goods, and such an actor comes to himself only in case of a hard refusal or promise to give him a tambourine to keep up.
                  Sorry, but there is no desire or time to communicate with a young pro-zombie zombie robot. Life will correct your brain over time, but not right - so much the worse for you
                  1. Yarosvet
                    Yarosvet 6 November 2013 23: 10
                    +4
                    Quote: Normal
                    Is it "doneunas" clear statistics?
                    Generally speaking, talking to you is like talking to a network salesman,
                  2. bolonenkov
                    7 November 2013 12: 25
                    -3
                    Quote: Normal
                    Is it "doneunas" clear statistics?

                    Quote: Normal
                    Well, if "doneunas" is an encyclopedia, then what to talk about with you?

                    No, just the same and no, but the words "FOR REFERENCE" indicate that the data is taken from a completely complete stat. research.
                    Sorry, but you need to change the nickname to abnormal
                    1. Normal
                      Normal 9 November 2013 23: 43
                      0
                      Quote: bolonenkov
                      Sorry, but you need to change the nickname to abnormal

                      And you need to change to balabolonenkov
            3. Defender
              Defender 6 November 2013 21: 05
              -2
              Have you forgotten: how many free zones there were under the 58th and other articles. about this whole GULAG! About plundered estates and peasant farms. About the fact that people then still knew how to "work hard" and were morally, morally much higher than the "late Soviet" and "Russian" generations.
              My great-grandfather, dad, was born in 1887, dispossessed and disappeared in the camps because of a two-story hut and five cows (there were 11 children, they had to be placed and fed). My grandmother, born in 1924 she worked for workdays on the collective farm for 14-16 hours a day, was ten minutes late for ten minutes to work (because of the infant she chewed before work, put the sunflower meal in a rag and instead of a bottle with baby food, before lunch) the whole workday was not recorded for being late. My dad, 1946, ripped off his back and nearly died unloading grain from trucks at the age of fifteen.
              My great-grandfather 1891g. they talked about mom and sent to camps. Grandmother of 1935 with her sister, when she was 5-6 years old, the rider secured a whip for spikelets selected on a harvested field. And this is far from all that I can tell about Stalin's time. With all my gut I feel the PRICE of the Stalinist jerk. And I will try to convey it to my four children, so that they would not cause a revolution, Lenin, Stalin, etc. from the grave.
              1. Nikolay D.
                Nikolay D. 6 November 2013 23: 53
                +1
                Quote: Defender
                We forgot: how many free ZK were in the 58th and other articles. about this whole gulag!

                Yes, they were, but they are criminals and they had to redeem themselves with difficulty, they shot the enemies of the Motherland. But they (ZK) did not make the main contribution to building the industrial superpower of the USSR, most of them were made by people, ordinary people who had a dream, the idea of ​​a bright future for everyone. And this idea was protected by Comrade himself. Stalin, a genius who showed the Soviet people and the world the future. Now there is no future, neither ours, nor the world. Here is the main problem.
                1. Defender
                  Defender 7 November 2013 19: 44
                  -5
                  In the 90s he talked with a dying grandma. - "After wandering around the camps and links, I realized: one half of the country was serving or is serving time, the other will guard such or be afraid to thunder there ..." Before death, they do not lie.
                  1. Defender
                    Defender 8 November 2013 00: 01
                    0
                    Minus one! Hunt for your rake to come?
          2. 31231
            31231 6 November 2013 15: 53
            -5
            The output system needs to be changed.

            Which will we change? To communism? And how many percent of the population of Russia wants this?
            1. soldier's grandson
              soldier's grandson 6 November 2013 18: 12
              +3
              99% definitely wants
              1. alone
                alone 6 November 2013 19: 04
                +5
                I would not say so categorically. First, you can’t say so confidently that 99% of the people are for communism. secondly, do not forget that the current communists are not the people who were between 30-40-50, even in the 70s. It is not known what the communists will do if they come to power
              2. Botanologist
                Botanologist 6 November 2013 19: 49
                +1
                Quote: Soldier's grandson
                99% definitely wants


                I personally do not want to. Just because I studied scientific communism and imagine that this is the same speculative theory as liberal democracy or post-industrial society. Therefore, without me ... into communism.
              3. atalef
                atalef 6 November 2013 20: 00
                0
                Quote: Soldier's grandson
                99% definitely wants

                This is where - From each according to his ability - to each according to his needs? (If you taught the definition of communism) Of course they want, especially in the second part of the definition.
                1. stalkerwalker
                  stalkerwalker 6 November 2013 20: 05
                  +6
                  Quote: atalef
                  That of course they want, especially in the second part of the definition.

                  Yeah ...
                  Only now this one sounds like a toast: "What if we had everything, and we had nothing for it!". laughing
                  1. atalef
                    atalef 6 November 2013 20: 13
                    +6
                    Quote: stalkerwalker
                    "What would we have had everything, and we had nothing for it!"

                    Well, I can tell you that in Russia there are those living under communism good , and I would even say entire collectives of communist labor - tapa of the deputies and Gazprom laughing
                    1. stalkerwalker
                      stalkerwalker 6 November 2013 20: 27
                      +4
                      Quote: atalef
                      and I would even say entire collectives of communist labor - the tapa of the deputies and Gazprom

                      The series "Interns".
                      An American intern: "I want to be Russian? - I want to be a Muscovite!" laughing
                    2. 31231
                      31231 6 November 2013 21: 08
                      +1
                      But shaw Jews did not mention the legarchs? laughing
                2. little man
                  little man 6 November 2013 21: 44
                  +1
                  But a wonderful slogan!
                  Give then the slogan of capitalism.
          3. Don
            Don 6 November 2013 18: 43
            -4
            Quote: baltika-18
            But after all, from 1927 to 1941, Stalin was only 14 years old. During this period, 8640 enterprises were built across the country, not shops and shopping centers, namely enterprises.

            Well, of course, how can one not remember Stalin. And at what cost? Tens of thousands died, the standard of living was low. But is there any sense in building these dozens of enterprises now and for whom? Have you ever thought about this? Well, 10 metallurgical plants (for example) can be built at the expense of the budget now, while cutting social costs, defense spending, and a bunch of other things. So, what is next? What in the world metal market is there an urgent need for it, in larger quantities? What will we build factories and the salary will automatically increase? Due to what? Or will the metal price fall due to the introduction of new technologies and Russian steel will become cheaper than the world? Where will the technology come from? By order of a magic wand? And who will let metal into EU closed markets?
            Without understanding the economy, market structure, industry, you continue to remember and shout all about Stalin - oh, how much he built. Yes built. For that period of time, after the civil war, decisive action was needed, but not now. There is no need for such construction. There are factories in all sectors. And where there is a need to build. There just recently Sibur built a new chemical industry. And remember, the state should not build factories at the expense of the budget, it should create conditions for the investor, or invest itself.
          4. Don
            Don 6 November 2013 18: 44
            -1
            Quote: baltika-18
            But after all, from 1927 to 1941, Stalin was only 14 years old. During this period, 8640 enterprises were built across the country, not shops and shopping centers, namely enterprises.

            Well, of course, how can one not remember Stalin. And at what cost? Tens of thousands died, the standard of living was low. But is there any sense in building these dozens of enterprises now and for whom? Have you ever thought about this? Well, 10 metallurgical plants (for example) can be built at the expense of the budget now, while cutting social costs, defense spending, and a bunch of other things. So, what is next? What in the world metal market is there an urgent need for it, in larger quantities? What will we build factories and the salary will automatically increase? Due to what? Or will the metal price fall due to the introduction of new technologies and Russian steel will become cheaper than the world? Where will the technology come from? By order of a magic wand? And who will let metal into EU closed markets?
            Without understanding the economy, market structure, industry, you continue to remember and shout all about Stalin - oh, how much he built. Yes built. For that period of time, after the civil war, decisive action was needed, but not now. There is no need for such construction. There are factories in all sectors. And where there is a need to build. There just recently Sibur built a new chemical industry. And remember, the state should not build factories at the expense of the budget, it should create conditions for the investor, or invest itself.
      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 6 November 2013 09: 47
        11
        Quote: vladimirZ
        ... Not to see the "results" of the activities of Putin and Medvedev in strengthening oligarchic capitalism in Russia, which led to an unprecedented gap between the quality of life of the poor and the rich, to the impoverishment of the subjects of the federation, except for Moscow, to a pogrom in the Army, education, science, to unprecedented corruption of power, can only the one who does not want to see it.

        This is, if briefly and on top. Regarding impoverishment, remember the time when most of the country did not pay for communal services, it was stupidly nothing. Whether we became beggars, I do not think, but about 10 years ago many could only dream about the current level. with regard to corruption, it was several times higher under Yeltsin, but they all perceived it as given. Everything was software ***. And they did not tell us who stole how much. Now we are told about this, every day, hence the indignation. Although most of us are not faced with corruption so often. Traffic cops took less, this is a fact.
        1. stalkerwalker
          stalkerwalker 6 November 2013 10: 35
          +7
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Whether we became beggars, I don’t think, but about 10 years ago, many could only dream about the current level

          I agree.
          And I will add.
          The people (people) have UNLOOKED to work for a WAGE. Everyone wants some kind of bonuses and / or privileges. To fix 7-8 hours "like garlic" in production, in the office, at the workplace is simply unacceptable for many.
          Judging by the number of people on the site during working hours, we can conclude that for many "righteous" - work is not a wolf ...
          1. stalkerwalker
            stalkerwalker 6 November 2013 13: 36
            +7
            Quote: stalkerwalker
            The people (people) have UNLOOKED to work for a WAGE. Everyone wants some kind of bonuses and / or privileges. To fix 7-8 hours "like garlic" in production, in the office, at the workplace is simply unacceptable for many.

            And I will add.
            But they cleverly learned to MOAN about UNUSTAINABLE TISSUES, about the near GDP, about how everything is bad in this country.
            I don’t like it - get a passport and ask for political asylum in the Baltic states -one chess player is already nipping there, get in line.
            Do not want to go to the Baltic states, go to Ukraine, Moldova, etc. Fans of extreme sports can go to the Caucasus, the republics of Central Asia.
            How to get drunk and insolent, what would be foolish on the site "Help, good people! I'm lazy, but drink ... I love to eat. And I want to eat. Serve ...".
            Ugh!
            1. Avenger711
              Avenger711 6 November 2013 14: 31
              +4
              If we talk about this chess player, then he would just have a whip of good, forever he is against someone. Against Karpov, against the Union, without which he would have been just Garrick Kasparyan, an Armenian Jewess, beating at 100 p. lovers in the Baku chess club, against Putin. It would be better if he did his own thing, he did it much better. Even in chess, by his actions against FIDE, he inflicted enormous damage to chess as a sport.
          2. baltika-18
            baltika-18 6 November 2013 15: 24
            +6
            Quote: stalkerwalker
            To fix 7-8 hours "like garlic" in production, in the office, at the workplace is simply unacceptable for many.

            Yes, you see, you live in another country, or in Moscow. For example, I have a daughter who graduated from a university, works, is a private production and trading company, her daughter conducts trade and logistics, salary 25-30 thousand, working day from 8 to 18, one day off, vacation 2 weeks. A member of the people squeezes, then throws out when there is nothing to squeeze.
            Quote: stalkerwalker
            How to get drunk and insolent, what would be the foolishness on the site "Help, good people

            You’ll go far, you’re very temperamental licking and waving.
            1. stalkerwalker
              stalkerwalker 6 November 2013 17: 04
              +4
              Quote: baltika-18
              You’ll go far, you’re very temperamental licking and waving.

              And in turnips?
              Is Liberast Progressive?
            2. Don
              Don 6 November 2013 19: 00
              -2
              Quote: baltika-18
              Yes, you see you live in another country, or in Moscow.

              What does Moscow have to do with it? If you do not know how the RFP is formed, then you do not need to drive to Moscow. For your information, the Yamalo-Nenets Autonomous Okrug has a higher salary than in Moscow.
              Quote: baltika-18
              for example, my daughter graduated from a university, she works, a private production and trading company, her daughter trades and logistics, wages 25-30 thousand, a working day from 8 to 18, one day off, a vacation of 2 weeks. A person squeezes people out, then throws it away there is nothing to squeeze.

              So is someone holding her there? Do not like look for another. And without fairy tales, let’s say that everywhere.
              1. stalkerwalker
                stalkerwalker 6 November 2013 19: 05
                +6
                Quote: Don
                So is someone holding her there? Do not like look for another. And without fairy tales, let’s say that everywhere.

                1. There is such a "thing" called the Labor Code.
                2. This is in a concentration camp driven to work for a balancer at gunpoint.
                1. Don
                  Don 11 November 2013 12: 15
                  0
                  Quote: stalkerwalker
                  1. There is such a "thing" called the Labor Code.

                  Yes. And accordingly, she has the right to complain about the employer or find another job where the Labor Code is respected.
                  Quote: stalkerwalker
                  2. This is in a concentration camp driven to work for a balancer at gunpoint.

                  I don’t understand what you mean by that.
            3. Don
              Don 6 November 2013 19: 01
              -1
              Quote: baltika-18
              Yes, you see you live in another country, or in Moscow.

              What does Moscow have to do with it? If you do not know how the RFP is formed, then you do not need to drive to Moscow. For your information, the Yamalo-Nenets Autonomous Okrug has a higher salary than in Moscow.
              Quote: baltika-18
              for example, my daughter graduated from a university, she works, a private production and trading company, her daughter trades and logistics, wages 25-30 thousand, a working day from 8 to 18, one day off, a vacation of 2 weeks. A person squeezes people out, then throws it away there is nothing to squeeze.

              So is someone holding her there? Do not like look for another. And without fairy tales, let’s say that everywhere.
            4. 31231
              31231 6 November 2013 19: 15
              0
              For example, I have a daughter who graduated from a university, works, a private production and trading company, her daughter conducts trade and logistics, wages 25-30 thousand, a working day from 8 to 18, one day off, a vacation of 2 weeks.

              Do you want her to get everything at once ?! You are an adult and you must understand that even with the Union it was necessary to work in order to have at least some material benefits.
              It is strange that you are an adult, think like young people who want everything at once.
              1. stalkerwalker
                stalkerwalker 6 November 2013 19: 19
                +4
                Quote: 31231
                It is strange that you are an adult, think like young people who want everything at once.

                Hereditary? laughing
        2. baltika-18
          baltika-18 6 November 2013 11: 12
          +5
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          As for impoverishment, remember the time when most of the country did not pay for communal services, it was stupidly nothing

          Even now, stupidly, many people simply have nothing to pay at such tariffs. The total debt for the month of October for utility bills is 130 billion rubles.
          1. stalkerwalker
            stalkerwalker 6 November 2013 11: 17
            10
            Quote: baltika-18
            Even now, stupidly, many people simply have nothing to pay at such tariffs. The total debt for the month of October for utility bills is 130 billion rubles.

            ".. I will not tell you about all of Odessa ..."
            1. I’m not sure that this amount can be compared for non-repaid loans, but you can tie it.
            2. Probably in every apartment building, and even in every entrance, there is a "family" of alkonauts who find loot for daily bukhalovo. But to pay a communal flat - no, no ...
            And the poor receive subsidies.
            1. lelikas
              lelikas 6 November 2013 15: 07
              +5
              Quote: stalkerwalker
              Probably in every apartment building, and even in every entrance, there is a "family" of alkonauts who find loot for the daily bukhalovo. But to pay a communal flat - no, no ...

              At the expense of alconauts it is true, but by the nature of hack, I often visit "elite" houses, because there is a list of debtors in almost every elevator - some of the amounts are compared to what I earn in a year.

              ps and you don’t play Tiberium alliance?
              1. stalkerwalker
                stalkerwalker 6 November 2013 17: 05
                +6
                Quote: lelikas
                ps and you don’t play Tiberium alliance?

                And this is WHERE? laughing
                1. lelikas
                  lelikas 6 November 2013 17: 17
                  +2
                  Here, there is a neighbor with the same nickname, a coincidence hi
                  1. stalkerwalker
                    stalkerwalker 6 November 2013 17: 21
                    +5
                    Quote: lelikas
                    Here, there is a neighbor with the same nickname, a coincidence

                    Nah ... Once. We must work while we have the strength. hi
              2. stalkerwalker
                stalkerwalker 6 November 2013 20: 07
                +6
                Quote: lelikas
                I often visit "elite" houses, because there is a list of debtors posted in almost every elevator - some of them have the same amount as I earn in a year.

                I just returned from a neighbor a floor above - I signed a protocol on the arrest by court bailiffs of TV and wall clocks (!) For failure to pay 5 thousand.
          2. bolonenkov
            6 November 2013 12: 27
            -1
            Quote: baltika-18
            Even now, many people stupidly have nothing to pay at such tariffs.

            Yes, all the houses are sitting, they’re not working, even during working hours in the courtyards of the sleeping areas you’ll park a horseradish, everything is clogged
            1. baltika-18
              baltika-18 6 November 2013 15: 27
              +9
              Quote: bolonenkov
              Yes, all the houses are sitting, they’re not working, even during working hours in the courtyards of the sleeping areas you’ll park a horseradish, everything is clogged

              Come to my village and try to get a job. If you are lucky you will get 12 thousand, or maybe even less. Russia is not Moscow.
              They will take the cattleman to the SEC without any problems, but it’s bad luck, they don’t pay their salaries for half a year, he says hello from the WTO.
              1. bolonenkov
                6 November 2013 15: 59
                +2
                Come to Ufa ... who wants, is looking for a way, who does not want - the reason.
                1. baltika-18
                  baltika-18 6 November 2013 16: 32
                  +6
                  Quote: bolonenkov
                  Come to Ufa.

                  Why in Ufa? We have Moscow nearby. Muzhikov works on a lot of shifts there.
                  1. bolonenkov
                    6 November 2013 19: 20
                    0
                    You see, who wants to is looking for a way, who does not want to - a reason.
                  2. 31231
                    31231 6 November 2013 19: 27
                    -2
                    Come to my village and try to get a job. If you are lucky you will get 12 thousand, or maybe even less. Russia is not Moscow.


                    We have Moscow nearby. Muzhikov works on a lot of shifts there.


                    And what prevents finding work outside the village? Or do you think the employer should run after you and build production in your village?
                    1. Stas
                      Stas 9 November 2013 23: 25
                      +1
                      31231
                      And what prevents finding work outside the village? Or do you think the employer should run after you and build production in your village?
                      And your thoughts are just like those of the "statist" iPhonei (LADY). He also proposes not to create jobs in towns and villages, but to drive the entire population into several rubber cities such as Moscow, St. Petersburg, Novosibirsk, Yekaterinburg. It will be great - so much territory will be free. Judging by your calculations, then the Far East (there is almost no population left there, he himself left Primorye in search of work) can be pushed to China at a reasonable price, and Siberia - to the Americans. Well done !!! Or maybe it is necessary to build enterprises everywhere, throughout the country and not to drive the people into one heap. Think, maybe the opinion will change.
              2. Dmitriy85
                Dmitriy85 9 November 2013 04: 19
                0
                I fully support you
          3. Avenger711
            Avenger711 6 November 2013 14: 32
            -2
            Nevertheless, the average person now travels to Turkey every year. Snickering.
            1. lelikas
              lelikas 6 November 2013 16: 30
              +7
              Quote: Avenger711
              Nevertheless, the average person now travels to Turkey every year. Snickering.

              And what you want is cheaper there than in Sochi. request
              1. bolonenkov
                6 November 2013 19: 22
                -1
                Actually, they didn’t want to tell you this, but the fact that the people have money to pay at least 60 thousand for a ticket, so that a family of 3 people can relax with a foreign country, plus, on the way back from the same Turkey, you can see how big the bags are from the people drags, which means that there was money on his pocket)))) Total 100 thousand)
                1. lelikas
                  lelikas 6 November 2013 23: 29
                  +1
                  I perfectly understood what they wanted to tell me
                  for example, the three of us over 45 wound up for two weeks, i.e. 15 thousand per person - I certainly wildly apologize - but if you want to relax - putting aside 1 tr per month is not a problem.
                  Of course it’s easier to sit on the priest evenly and blame everyone around for not creating factories in your yard.
                  Egyptians contagion - broke off winter diving.
                  There, by the way, it was even cheaper.
                  1. stalkerwalker
                    stalkerwalker 7 November 2013 08: 15
                    +4
                    Quote: lelikas
                    Of course it’s easier to sit on the priest evenly and blame everyone around for not creating factories in your yard.

                    Under the seated ass, the toilet does not substitute! laughing
            2. Normal
              Normal 6 November 2013 22: 36
              +4
              Quote: Avenger711
              Nevertheless, the average person now travels to Turkey every year. Snickering.


              70% of Russians have never been abroad

              www.levada.ru/05-04-2012/70-rossiyan-nikogda-ne-byvali-za-granitsei
              1. 31231
                31231 6 November 2013 23: 00
                -1
                Lemonade Center ?! This doo, the most non-living source. laughing
                1. Normal
                  Normal 6 November 2013 23: 42
                  +2
                  Quote: 31231
                  Lemonade Center ?!

                  Well, lay out the link to your source from which you took that:
                  Quote: Avenger711
                  .... the average person we now travel to Turkey every year.

                  What is this average person, what is his income and what is the percentage of such averages of the total. winked
                  Let's compare, whose source is more or less "non-living" angry
              2. bolonenkov
                7 November 2013 12: 29
                +1
                Actually, they do not need foreign travel to Abkhazia, but they made a conclusion on the presence of international passports, this time.
                You better compare the number of Russian foreign tourists in 1999 and now, a more objective picture will be. These are two.
          4. 31231
            31231 6 November 2013 19: 18
            +1
            Even now, many people stupidly have nothing to pay at such tariffs.

            Do not tell me, what is your mania to speak on behalf of the whole people? It’s just hard to broadcast for yourself ?! Or do you imagine yourself the mouthpiece of the era?
          5. 31231
            31231 6 November 2013 19: 24
            +4
            Even now, many people stupidly have nothing to pay at such tariffs.


            My mother has a pension of 9 rubles, the father of 8 rubles. Mother is still working - 3,6 rubles. So they pay for three from 3,5 to 4 rubles. And no debt.
            But many acquaintances have earnings of 50 rubles and more and pay dynamite. Do you know what they say ?! "I do not intend to pay for such inflated tariffs." A question for you. How on the spirit of "Pay?"
        3. Normal
          Normal 6 November 2013 19: 40
          +4
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          With regard to corruption, it was several times higher under Yeltsin, but everyone perceived it as given

          I disagree. Under Yeltsin, for all the abomination of his rule, no one, including Yeltsin himself, would have thought to dispose of the country's budget as his own wallet. All the same, the Duma was not then tame, and the media were not yet built "on the ground." The symbol and embodiment of the corruption of the Yeltsin era - M. Kasyanov was nicknamed "Misha 2%" among the people, and this is the prime minister! And now? Try to approach any official, even the lowest level, with a proposal of 2%. They will look at you as if you were sick. Durka will be called. Now kickbacks of less than 50% are simply indecent to offer if you value the reputation of a "business person"
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          And they did not tell us who stole how much.

          Well, how did they not say? Stankevich, remember for 10 pieces of green stammered. Now this amount looks simply indecent for any official on whom at least something depends.
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          .Although most of us do not face corruption so often. Traffic cops began to take less, this is a fact.

          Lucky. And where I live, traffic cops take hundreds of times more than with Borka-drunk.
          1. bolonenkov
            7 November 2013 12: 32
            0
            Quote: Normal
            I do not agree. Under Yeltsin, for all the abominations of his rule, it would never occur to anyone, including Yeltsin himself, to manage the country's budget as his own wallet.

            Therefore, probably everyone lived so well with EBNe
            Quote: Normal
            Lucky. And where I live, traffic cops take hundreds of times more than with Borka-drunk.

            If you were caught bukhim, and you paid off, then the offender is primarily you, and only then the cop. By the way, the cops just haven’t stopped for a long time, and there is a video recorder for 1 thousand rubles to combat the setups.
      3. bolonenkov
        6 November 2013 11: 26
        +7
        Especially the destruction can be traced on all the main graphs of the country's development in the period 1993 - 2012, where they all form the letter V with the lowest point in 1998-9.

        And what
        NEW kindergartens open and old ones expand and repair at 20-25 per week
        Part 1 http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/27495/
        Part 2 http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/27516/
        Part 3 http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/27530/
        Part 4 http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/27596/
        According to official figures, during the past (2012) academic year, 549 NEW educational institutions were commissioned, of which 431 were preschool educational institutions. + put into operation after a downtime, or overhaul gardens, where it becomes possible to increase the number of groups.
        For example, in the South Urals, children go to kindergarten when they reach 3 years
        http://www.chel.aif.ru/edu/edu_details/943903
        And in Perm from January 1, 2009, monthly allowances are paid to parents whose children between the ages of 1,5 and 5 do not attend kindergartens.
        - families with children aged 1,5 to 3 years - 5300 rubles.
        - families with children aged 3 to 5 years - 4500 rubles.
        http://www.gorodperm.ru/social/education/edu-ds/pospbie_ds/

        the birth rate is growing and mortality is falling, since the beginning of 2013 in many regions there has been a natural increase, and the maximum population growth has been recorded in Tatarstan, Khabarovsk Territory, Samara, Ulyanovsk and Novosibirsk Regions, St. Petersburg.
        http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/42769/

        In Moscow, the most popular names for boys in 2012 are Artyom, Alexander, Maxim, Ivan and Mikhail. Girls - Sophia, Maria, Anastasia, Daria and Anna. Moreover, the list of the 50 most popular names of boys of non-Russian names is not at all. The very first non-Russian name in the ranking of girls - Amina - is in 38th place.
        http://zags.mos.ru/stat/imena/imena_malchikov.php
        http://zags.mos.ru/stat/imena/imena_devochek.php

        and only in October, 9 enterprises were opened in Russia worth more than 1 billion rubles and another dozen 300 million each.
        http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/43000/

        and Sukhoi is already releasing 33 serial Superjets, contrary to the cries of all-companions that he will not fly, no one will buy, or that this is a stillborn plane
        http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/43066/

        Total for the project. They spent $ 1,8 billion on development (of which 0,45 are less than the budget of all competitors), they have already sold 1 billion, and 3,4 billion plus an option on solid contracts.
        http://expert.ru/expert/2013/40/vozdushnoe-ralli/
        Calculate the timing of the transition to work in plus yourself, just like sales taxes. For the state, it will already pay off when the first 50-60 boards are handed over; firm orders for almost 200 boards

        Well, there’s still a lot of things that you could only dream of in the 90s.

        It would seem that here all the patreots need to make a standing ovation, to support the rumble “Russia-Russia-Russia!” From the virtual stands of the Internet. drowned out the evil whispers of the fifth column, which still requires all projects to be buried, and the head of state should be scrapped, and it’s better to put him on a stake with his daughters. But no! The good news is to sneeze. Let Poghosyan himself understand, because "Vasiliev has not yet been imprisoned !!!
        Thanks to the author for the awesome cliche)))
        1. evgeny1td
          evgeny1td 6 November 2013 11: 55
          0
          thanks for koment
        2. baltika-18
          baltika-18 6 November 2013 13: 19
          +3
          Quote: bolonenkov
          and only in October, 9 enterprises were opened in Russia worth more than 1 billion rubles and another dozen 300 million each.

          And which ones you won’t tell me. After all, 1-1,5 billion rubles is the cost of a shopping center and a normal agricultural complex of heads for no more than 500. Well, 300 million rubles is the approximate cost of building a small dairy, for example, or a decent supermarket. a supermarket "Vysshaya Liga" was opened, this business cost about 1-200 million.
          1. bolonenkov
            6 November 2013 14: 32
            0
            Quote: baltika-18
            And what specifically do not tell

            Read the comment carefully, there is a link. One of the enterprises is Tobolsk Polymer, one of the three world leaders in terms of capacity, which has turned the Russian Federation from an importer of polypropylene and other polymeric materials into an exporter.
            1. baltika-18
              baltika-18 6 November 2013 14: 51
              +1
              Quote: bolonenkov
              One of the enterprises - Tobolsk Polymer

              Tobolsk polymer is being built at the Tobolsk Neftekhim site, the cost of 60 billion rubles, in principle, is the expansion of existing production. That is, the infrastructure and communications are already there. I asked you about 9 enterprises for 1 billion and 12 enterprises for 300 million opened in October. What is it? Answer, not brainwash. I visited the site you are linking to and haven’t seen anything like this.
              1. bolonenkov
                6 November 2013 16: 03
                +4
                Quote: baltika-18
                Tobolsk polymer is being built at the Tobolsk Neftekhim site, the cost is 60 billion rubles, in principle, it is an expansion of existing production

                Oh yes, it was just that Windows was reinstalled on computers and polypropylene was stamped on the same equipment))) This is a separate, completely new complex and it is logical that it was built where there is infrastructure and communications, but it was not necessary to build Kalmykia in the steppes.

                I asked you about 9 enterprises of 1 billion and 12 enterprises of 300 million opened in October. What is this? Answer, not brainwash. I visited the site you are linking to and didn’t see anything like this.


                Tarkett (France), cable plant Prysmian Group (main acc Italy), SCA Hygiene Products Russia (Sweden), Henkel Bautechnik (Germany),
                Joint venture between KR-Prom LLC and TOS Varnsdorf JSC (Czech Republic), Nestlé (Switzerland), tire plant of the German concern Continental, Benning Power Electronics (Germany), Crocus Technology (France)

                Note that foreigners invest in the Russian Federation and we immediately notice that foreign companies pay taxes in the Russian Federation, Russian citizens work there, and products for the Russian Federation, if you do not like it. If it’s not purely Russian, then look at China.
                And yes, whose bull would not jump, but our calf.
                1. baltika-18
                  baltika-18 6 November 2013 16: 10
                  +1
                  Quote: bolonenkov
                  Oh yes, it’s just that Windows was reinstalled on computers and polypropylene was stamped on the same equipment

                  Don't be foolish, but answer the question, a computer fighter against occupation. I know what a great chemistry of polymers is, I worked as a production mechanic at Sayanskkhimplast for 12 years.
                2. baltika-18
                  baltika-18 6 November 2013 16: 22
                  0
                  Quote: bolonenkov
                  Tarkett (France), cable plant Prysmian Group (main acc Italy), SCA Hygiene Products Russia (Sweden), Henkel Bautechnik (Germany),
                  Joint venture between KR-Prom LLC and TOS Varnsdorf JSC (Czech Republic), Nestlé (Switzerland), tire plant of the German concern Continental, Benning Power Electronics (Germany), Crocus Technology (France

                  These are projects worth hundreds of millions of euros. The continental in Kaluga is 240 million euros for example. And I specifically asked you to answer about the opening in October of 9 enterprises of 1 billion and 12 enterprises of 300 million rubles. What is this? You issued information, gave the link to the site was made with us, I did not find it there. Your actions.
                  1. Don
                    Don 6 November 2013 19: 12
                    +1
                    Quote: baltika-18
                    These are projects worth hundreds of millions of euros. The continental in Kaluga is 240 million euros for example. And I specifically asked you to answer about the opening in October of 9 enterprises of 1 billion and 12 enterprises of 300 million rubles. What is this? You issued information, gave the link to the site was made with us, I did not find it there. Your actions.

                    Well, that is, those factories that the comrade listed above cannot be read, give it to you for October. You have already been named by a person, have you given examples, or do you think this is nonsense anyway?
                    1. baltika-18
                      baltika-18 6 November 2013 19: 31
                      +4
                      Quote: Don
                      Well, that is, those factories that the friend listed above are not readable

                      Don I formulated the question to the "comrade" very clearly in accordance with the information given by him.
                      Quote: baltika-18
                      .A I specifically asked you to answer about the opening in October of 9 enterprises of 1 billion and 12 enterprises of 300 million rubles. What is this

                      Quote: bolonenkov
                      and only in October, 9 enterprises were opened in Russia worth more than 1 billion rubles and another dozen 300 million each.
                  2. Don
                    Don 6 November 2013 19: 13
                    -3
                    Quote: baltika-18
                    These are projects worth hundreds of millions of euros. The continental in Kaluga is 240 million euros for example. And I specifically asked you to answer about the opening in October of 9 enterprises of 1 billion and 12 enterprises of 300 million rubles. What is this? You issued information, gave the link to the site was made with us, I did not find it there. Your actions.

                    Well, that is, those factories that the comrade listed above cannot be read, give it to you for October. You have already been named by a person, have you given examples, or do you think this is nonsense anyway?
                    1. bolonenkov
                      7 November 2013 12: 34
                      -2
                      This Baltic states that 240 lyam euros is not equal to 1 billion rubles
                  3. bolonenkov
                    6 November 2013 19: 26
                    0
                    240 million euros - about 1 billion rubles .... or for you a billion trifle?
        3. Tatanka Yotanka
          Tatanka Yotanka 6 November 2013 15: 43
          +5
          Quote: bolonenkov
          In Moscow, the most popular names for boys in 2012 are Artyom, Alexander, Maxim, Ivan and Mikhail. Girls - Sophia, Maria, Anastasia, Daria and Anna. Moreover, the list of the 50 most popular names of boys of non-Russian names is not at all.

          Are migrants registered in maternity hospitals?
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDjEAspryio
          Quote: bolonenkov
          and only in October, 9 enterprises were opened in Russia worth more than 1 billion rubles and another dozen 300 million each.

          I do not understand then, the industry is growing at a "frantic" pace and the country has a budget deficit for subsequent years and a reduction in social spending
          Federal Law of the Russian Federation of December 3 2012 N 216-ФЗ
          "On the federal budget for 2013 and for the planning period of 2014 and 2015"

          According to your links, what is the share of Russian investments, and who will skim the cream:
          Tarkett company (France), Prysmian Group cable plant (main acc Italy), SCA Hygiene Products Russia (Sweden), Henkel Bautechnik (Germany),
          Joint venture between KR-Prom LLC and TOS Varnsdorf JSC (Czech Republic), Nestlé (Switzerland), tire plant of the German concern Continental, Benning Power Electronics (Germany), Crocus Technology (France)
          and the release of the "gazelle" for gas biofuel-type new production looks quite fun
          and then count how many "effective" managers steal, as Putin said, in skolkovo and nano, and deficits are formed, but what will we raise the tariffs, we will somehow get rid of the main country is developing
          1. bolonenkov
            6 November 2013 16: 14
            +1
            Quote: Tatanka Yotanka
            Are migrants registered in maternity hospitals?

            ARE THE MIGRANTS A CITIZEN OF THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION? After all, the message was about natural population growth.

            Quote: Tatanka Yotanka
            I do not understand then, the industry is growing at a "frantic" pace and the country has a budget deficit for subsequent years and a reduction in social spending

            How does this deny the fact of opening new enterprises?
            And to reduce costs, you better write to the EU or the United States. World Recession however ...
            Of all the economies, only Germany, China and Brazil grow well, we have no lower than the European average


            Quote: Tatanka Yotanka
            According to your links, what is the share of Russian investments, and who will skim the cream:

            Vaam do not like what foreign companies invest in Russia? Or the fact that there are new high-tech jobs, or that taxes are paid in the Russian Federation and the products are provided by the Russian market and we refuse to import?
            1. Tatanka Yotanka
              Tatanka Yotanka 6 November 2013 18: 00
              +5
              Quote: bolonenkov
              Vaam do not like what foreign companies invest in Russia? Or the fact that there are new high-tech jobs, or that taxes are paid in the Russian Federation and the products are provided by the Russian market and we refuse to import?

              imagine yes, foreign investments primarily pursue their goals, this is controlling the market, products, affecting the economy, about high-tech jobs this is a myth since the bulk of them are engaged in servicing (give, bring, hang, movers, packers) it’s very unprofitable for someone to Russia fully invested in its industry. The World Cup in football is a vital necessity
              what's so extraordinary
              SCA Hygiene Products Russia (Sweden) - we are no longer able to produce toilet paper or Nestle (Switzerland) chocolates despite the fact that they will bring in their GMO good ingredients.
              our investments would launch related industries in Russia - production of lines, machines, ingredients, etc., but as I said - football is more important
              1. bolonenkov
                6 November 2013 19: 35
                +4
                Quote: Tatanka Yotanka
                Imagine yes, foreign investments primarily pursue their goals, this is controlling the market, products, influencing the economy, about high-tech jobs this is a myth since the bulk of them are engaged in servicing (give, bring, hang, movers, packers) it’s very unprofitable for someone to Russia fully invested in its industry.


                Vivid examples of such cooperation is probably the RENO-NISSAN-VAZ alliance
                or for example the SWALLOW train, or CREATION of your own pharmaceutical factory ....
                All over the world they are struggling to invest in their country, but in Russia, when this happens, they start shouting that this is a market seizure and an indispensable path to collapse. Take a look at today's China, this is far from being a consumer goods factory, but a very high-tech country, and it began with the fact that screwdriver assembly of all kinds of world trash was carried out on its territory.
              2. 31231
                31231 6 November 2013 19: 35
                +1
                imagine yes, foreign investments primarily pursue their goals, this is control of the market, products, impact on the economy, about high-tech jobs this is a myth since the bulk of them are engaged in servicing (give, bring, hang, loader
                and, packers) it’s very unprofitable for someone that Russia fully invests in its industry.


                Foreign investment is a global practice. These investments are present in many developed and developing countries. Or do you offer us to become DPRK?
                Regarding investments in Russian industry. Compare the shares of state participation in oil and gas companies both here and abroad, you can then become meaningfully chatting. And I want to warn your question about the oil needle. The oil and gas industry is now one of the most profitable and its sin is shy.
                1. Yarosvet
                  Yarosvet 6 November 2013 21: 52
                  +4
                  Quote: 31231
                  Foreign investment is a world practice
                  This is the global market in which the Russian Federation is being built: if this is the norm, then they should be talking about sovereignty.

                  Another world practice is the share of the minimum wage in the GDP of PPP per capita at the level of 30-50 percent, but here it is somehow problematic - from the 10th to the 13th year it decreased from 12 to 8.

                  Compare the shares of state participation in oil and gas companies in our country and abroad
                  But at the same time the level of monopolization, the history of the formation of these companies and the level of price regulation in the monopoly market.

                  question about oil needle
                  And again you're lying: an oil needle does not arise when energy is traded, but when energy is ONLY traded (more than 50% of exports)
                  1. 31231
                    31231 6 November 2013 22: 24
                    0
                    This is the global market in which the Russian Federation is being built: if this is the norm, then they should be talking about sovereignty.


                    And what is sovereignty for you personally? USA?! Where Obamku Transnational companies bend for themselves and ask to remove the intractable Assad?! (This is IMHO)

                    this is the percentage of the minimum wage in PPP GDP per capita


                    This dooo, almost the most important indicator.

                    And again you're lying: an oil needle does not arise when energy is traded, but when energy is ONLY traded (more than 50% of exports)


                    Can you read it more carefully ?! I do not write about the definition of "oil needle", I write that you should not be shy about it.
                    USSR exports in 1980:
                    fuel and electricity - 46,5%,
                    machinery, equipment and vehicles - 15,5%,
                    ores, metals - 8,5%,
                    food and manufactured goods - 4,0%,
                    chemical products - 3,4%,
                    wood, paper - 3,3%,
                    other goods (including weapons) - 22,8%.

                    And this is when there were many states dependent on the USSR. Which were required to take high-tech products of the USSR. The same situation is now in the USA.

                    When the United States had a lot of oil, they were not at all embarrassed to bargain with it.
                    They are now organizing wars because of her.
                    1. Yarosvet
                      Yarosvet 6 November 2013 23: 21
                      0
                      Quote: 31231
                      And what is sovereignty for you personally?
                      My understanding of the term "sovereignty" does not differ from the generally accepted one - see the dictionary.

                      This dooo, almost the most important indicator
                      And you live at a minimum, or even better at a minimum wage. Have you missed the goal and the meaning of the existence of the state?
                      How much do you need per month for a nutritious meal in order to shop in stores (without growing potatoes in the country, etc.), provided prices remain constant, live 40 years without changing the diet?

                      Can you read it more carefully ?! I do not write about the definition of "oil needle", I write that you should not be shy about it
                      If this is a needle, and not ONE OF the sources of income - it’s worth it, that’s why you are lying.

                      USSR exports in 1980:
                      Not the best period, but still energy exports of less than 50% + full self-sufficiency in basic goods.

                      They are now organizing wars because of her.
                      Are you equal in your career aspirations to homeless people, and in the standard of living of a serf on the 17th century?
                      1. bolonenkov
                        7 November 2013 12: 38
                        -1
                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        And you live at a minimum, or even better at a minimum wage.

                        Only full d * beats can manage to work for 15-50 years so that they pay the minimum wage)) Distribute flyers, and then, three minimum wages are obtained.
                      2. Yarosvet
                        Yarosvet 7 November 2013 13: 14
                        +1
                        Quote: bolonenkov
                        Only full d * beats can manage to work for 15-50 years so that they pay the minimum wage)) Distribute flyers, and then, three minimum wages are obtained.

                        Only a complete r ..... do not give a damn about the laws of their country and their compatriots.

                        Genius - do you know what salary a specialist has in a clinic?
                      3. bolonenkov
                        7 November 2013 18: 04
                        0
                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        Only a complete r ..... do not give a damn about the laws of their country and their compatriots.

                        So all the same, how to manage to get settled in such a way as to work for 8-10 hours and receive a minimum wage, if the distribution of flyers brings much more money, faster and easier. Of course, you can throw examples about poor cleaners or nurses, and about 1,3 million people who live on minimum wages and below, but the fact remains, it is their personal choice, no one will force them to work there, and that people don’t have the state (and education) or the desire to improve its life, and I personally should not care.
                        By the way, the number of people with an income below the subsistence level over the past 12 children decreased from 42 million to 10 ...
                      4. Yarosvet
                        Yarosvet 7 November 2013 19: 47
                        +2
                        Quote: bolonenkov
                        So all the same how to manage
                        You ask stupid questions: if you don’t understand now, you will understand when it will happen.

                        this is their personal choice, no one will force them to work there, and the fact that people have no brains (or education) or a desire to improve their lives, the state should not bother me personally
                        This is social Darwinism, which is one of the sides of liberalism - with which I congratulate you.

                        By the way, the number of people with an income below the subsistence level over the past 12 children decreased from 42 million to 10 ...
                        You really are stupid: estimate how much money you need per month for food, rent, clothes, rest, etc. no frills - and you will get a result close to the real minimum, and comparing the resulting amount with data on average per capita incomes, you will find out that more than 50% of the population actually lives below the poverty line.
                      5. bolonenkov
                        8 November 2013 16: 20
                        0
                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        estimate how much money you need per month for food, rent, clothes, rest, etc. no frills - and you will get a result close to the real minimum, and comparing the resulting amount with data on average per capita incomes, you will find out that more than 50% of the population actually lives below the poverty line.

                        The average salary is 28 rubles, count.
                      6. Dmitriy85
                        Dmitriy85 9 November 2013 05: 07
                        +1
                        what is the average? How do you underestimate if you take a deputy receiving 200 rubles, and the lowest salary is 000 rubles - it turns out that the average salary is about 3 rubles. Do not tell tales, those who receive 700 rubles are not so many, if we compare the percentage of the population (St. Petersburg, Moscow, and we don’t take big gambling) ... in life, to earn unhappy 100-000 thousand rubles you need to dig in two three works.
                        And I don’t understand how the government calculates the minimum ??? ... now it’s the twenty-second century and the minimum should already include not just products, but the payment for the necessary services such as paying the apartment, electricity, gas, water, Internet, television and the MOST IMPORTANT a person could squeeze (having all of the above) put aside at least a couple of thousand for a rainy day (for clothes that a person should at least occasionally renew, to replace the same broken mixer, for drugs for various at least simple viral diseases, etc.)
                        What can a person postpone from 8 rubles of salary? - NOTHING- because half will go to the services and necessary .... and what remains of three or four thousand ?!
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        5. Don
          Don 11 November 2013 12: 21
          0
          Quote: Yarosvet
          And again you're lying: an oil needle does not arise when energy is traded, but when energy is ONLY traded (more than 50% of exports)

          Firstly, oil, gas and oil products account for 45% of Russian exports. Secondly, is it your oil needle? Here it is necessary to look at the formation of GDP at the expense of oil and budget revenues at the expense of oil. Here Kuwait, Saudi Arabia and Qatar are sitting on an oil needle. They have oil from 70 to 90% of exports, 50-60% of GDP and 90% of the budget. And in the Russian Federation it is 9,1% of GDP and not only oil, but in general mining and 30% of budget revenue. So what kind of oil needle are you talking about?
          1. atalef
            atalef 11 November 2013 12: 32
            0
            Firstly, oil, gas and oil products account for 45% of Russian exports. Secondly, is it your oil needle?

            Yes
            ut it is generally necessary to look at the formation of GDP at the expense of oil and budget revenues at the expense of oil

            With all components of VAT, subsoil tax, company taxes and export taxes - over 60% of the budget due to oil
            Here Kuwait, Saudi Arabia and Qatar are sitting on an oil needle. They have oil from 70 to 90% of exports, 50-60% of GDP and 90% of the budget. And in the Russian Federation it is 9,1% of GDP and not only oil, but in general mining and 30% of budget revenue. So what kind of oil needle are you talking about?

            Well, the average Russian (and not only) can envy a little bit of life in Kuwait, and most importantly, if minerals are simply not measured in Angola and people live on average a dollar a day, does it make it easier for you?
      4. Dmitriy85
        Dmitriy85 9 November 2013 04: 46
        +1
        They say correctly - we are sitting on the needle. Have you thought about your grandchildren? what will they get? - Deserted lands without forests (which are actively cutting down, without planting anything), and without natural resources? .... although I think this does not bother you much .... like the country as a whole.
    4. Dmitriy85
      Dmitriy85 9 November 2013 04: 41
      +1
      I agree with you completely, my ears almost fell into a pipe, when I saw a radish made in Israel on store shelves. ETOGES fool ... how could this be done with our country .... are we (Russia) no longer able to grow even a radish! ????
    5. Don
      Don 11 November 2013 12: 37
      0
      Quote: Tatanka Yotanka
      Imagine yes, foreign investments primarily pursue their goals, this is market, product control, impact on the economy,

      Do you even understand anything in the economy ?! You don’t understand what you are writing at all. This is just nonsense. Read what investment means and invest. About the rest of the nonsense, even not hunting, if you do not understand the complete structure of the market.
      About football. The World Cup will not only eat a lot of money from the budget, while 40-50% of the costs will be private investment, it will give a powerful impetus to the development of infrastructure of the road, airports, stadiums, hotels and a lot of others. It will bring money, especially to small and medium-sized businesses. Large government orders will go to industry, this gives development to the economy.
  2. Dmitriy85
    Dmitriy85 9 November 2013 04: 37
    +1
    And what plus does this give the economy of our country? ..... when they build their own (and not someone else's) production, then I’ll see what is moving for the good of our once great power.
  • Normal
    Normal 6 November 2013 22: 22
    +4
    Quote: bolonenkov
    NEW kindergartens open and old ones expand and repair at 20-25 per week

    ......
    4. In Russia, kindergartens are sorely lacking

    The number of kindergartens in Russia over the past 20 years has almost halved, and today in some regions they are sorely lacking. This was reported by the official representative of the Prosecutor General of the Russian Federation Marina Gridneva.
    "In 1992, there were over 76 thousand of them. At present, the number of preschool educational institutions is slightly more than 45 thousand, and their occupancy is often higher than the maximum permissible standards," she said.
    A check of the accessibility of preschool education carried out by the Prosecutor General's Office showed that the transfer of kindergarten buildings to commercial structures led to the fact that "the number of kindergartens in the country does not fully meet the needs of the population."
    "The audit showed that the constitutional rights of citizens to public and free preschool education in state and municipal educational institutions are violated in almost all constituent entities of the Russian Federation," Gridneva emphasized. "In every region there are queues for admitting children to preschool educational institutions."
    The misuse of kindergarten buildings has been identified in more than 20 regions. At the same time, the issues of transferring to the ownership of the constituent entities of the Russian Federation and municipalities the buildings of former kindergartens that are not used for their intended purpose and are in federal ownership are not being resolved. "For example, since 2007, the issue of transferring to the municipal ownership of the Lyubertsy District of the Moscow Region the building of the former kindergarten, which is federal property, which is currently leased to commercial structures, has not been resolved. Meanwhile, on the territory of the district, almost 4 thousand children ", - said Gridneva.
    The prosecutor’s inspection revealed serious violations during the liquidation and reprofiling of kindergartens. Thus, in a lawsuit filed by the prosecutor of the Osinsky district of the Perm Territory, decisions of local governments on the merger of two kindergartens were recognized as illegal, one of which ceased to operate as a health institution for children with tuberculosis infections.
    In a number of regions - Karachay-Cherkessia, Kalmykia, some areas and cities of the Krasnodar Territory, the Vologda, Kostroma, Omsk Regions, and the Yamalo-Nenets Okrug - proper measures are not taken to expand the network of preschool institutions.

    ITAR-TASS, August 18

    demoscope.ru/weekly/2010/0431/rossia01.php

    Quote: bolonenkov
    According to official figures, during the past (2012) academic year, 549 NEW educational institutions were commissioned, of which 431 were preschool educational institutions.

    Quote: bolonenkov
    the birth rate is growing and mortality is falling, since the beginning of 2013 in many regions there has been a natural increase,


    More than 700 schools in Russia will be closed due to shortage of children
    11: 0714.08.2013 (updated: 12: 20 14.08.2013) 35139317
    Most of the educational institutions will be closed in the Central District, said the head of Rospotrebnadzor Gennady Onishchenko.

    ria.ru/society/20130814/956189886.html
    1. bolonenkov
      7 November 2013 12: 41
      -3
      Quote: Normal
      In Russia, kindergartens are sorely lacking

      Where in my comment did I say that the issue has been resolved?

      With the birth boom from 2010 to this day, the ratio of the number of kindergartens per 100 people does not change, which suggests that kindergartens are being built and there are many, which my links prove, but there is still a lot to do.
  • Avenger711
    Avenger711 6 November 2013 14: 26
    +3
    But in Russia, capitalism is not good. 62% of all industry is controlled by the state, in all key sectors the state, if not 100%, has a controlling stake, at least.
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  • 31231
    31231 6 November 2013 15: 47
    -5
    Not to see the "results" of the activities of Putin and Medvedev to strengthen oligarchic capitalism in Russia, which led to an unprecedented gap between the quality of life of the poor and the rich, to the impoverishment of the subjects of the federation, except for Moscow, to a pogrom in the Army, education, science, to unprecedented corruption of power, can only the one who does not want to see it.


    You have "serious" arguments. I read the populism of the Communist Party. I will try to make out just one of their slogans.
    In the first quarter of 2013, economic growth was only 1,6%. This is three times less than in the same period of 2012.

    Do comrades from the Communist Party have statistics on GDP by country for 2013? Or is it not familiar to them that most likely economic growth throughout the world has slowed down?
    That's when there will be data on GDP growth by country in 2013, then it's worth making the elections. Aleksey Volodin also wrote on this topic at one time, "running ahead of the cart."
  • vladimirZ
    vladimirZ 6 November 2013 16: 12
    +5
    To all minus players and praises of "Putin in power" and his "achievements" for almost fifteen years of "work in galleys", read today's material in the site's news "A thief should sit. But not everyone."
    Many already understand that Putin’s many years of work for the elite and the oligarchs, and his inaction towards the creation of normal economic living conditions are dangerous for the people.
    Extract from the article
    ... when 90% of officials can objectively be blamed for corruption, the consequences can be most devastating. Including, for Putin. In my opinion, the key activity of the head of state should not be repression, but accelerated new industrialization, the rise of the country ...
    1. 31231
      31231 6 November 2013 19: 41
      -2
      Words, words and no facts. Maybe shorten your phrases to the level of "Fucked up polymers!" and "ПЖиВ!" You are still not capable of having a constructive discussion.
      You know so much about Putin, do you live with him or did you live ?! Is Lyudmila you?
  • Ross
    Ross 6 November 2013 12: 09
    +2
    A very good article. The escalation of negativity in society provokes a decline in the consciousness of the people. In the words of Professor Preobrazhensky, devastation in the head.
  • Max_Bauder
    Max_Bauder 6 November 2013 13: 02
    +1
    I understand that the article is for all-propagators who insist that everything is lost, Putin is bad, the country is falling apart. we live poorly, etc. etc
    Yes! It’s not worth it to look at the country so pessimistically. But maybe the topic or not, but there is a real problem - one should be afraid of Islamic radicalism, which penetrates the minds of many wealthy and poor, young and old Muslims of large Russia, as well as numerous Gaster who, living in a good country, don’t know but are still dissatisfied with the country and the authorities , Russians (not Tatars, Bashkirs, Chuvashs, Udmurts, namely Russians, apparently they want to take revenge on their ancestors, or for some other reason, rather because of the envy that they live even poorer in their country). Well, okay, that's not the point.
    I just want to say that you can’t live with pink glasses and think that everything is fine.
    When they blow up your loved one in a bus or a shopping center, you will immediately realize that not everything is so beautiful, and that something needs to be done, it’s a slow development bomb.
    When you yourself live well about others, there is always no desire to think. Purely healthy human egoism. The main thing is that the author does not hint to cultivate this in himself. and so everything is correct. =)
    1. Ross
      Ross 7 November 2013 00: 53
      +2
      Once Stalin had his own worldview project, and the Anglo-Saxons had his own. There was a field of their own game. Now the Anglo-Saxons have imposed their game on us, their own, alien to the Russian worldview. Hence, always lose when you play by the rules of others. We need our own Russian project.
      1. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker 7 November 2013 08: 21
        +4
        Quote: Ross
        We need our own Russian project.

        Only he (the project) was not replaced by the "Russian March".
      2. Dmitriy85
        Dmitriy85 9 November 2013 05: 14
        0
        Well done, to the point
  • a52333
    a52333 6 November 2013 07: 43
    +6
    crimsonalter = good And there is. Dissatisfied people will remain in different ways. The reasons are objective and not necessary. That's bad, that's all. Especially if "bad" really takes place, at least a little bit. to remember after all reluctance, as 20 years ago the salary (before lunch) was equal to 1 stick of sausage., and after lunch it is already less.
    1. baltika-18
      baltika-18 6 November 2013 09: 07
      +7
      Quote: a52333
      Anyone dissatisfied will remain. The reasons are objective and not necessary.

      There are objective reasons. The article minus. It resembles a chant, and the author frankly is disingenuous (I put it mildly) in the figures that she gives. The international reserves of the Central Bank are not 512 billion, but only 466 billion (data as of November 1), and gold for only 43 billion
      And you all know very well about the reasons for them, it makes no sense to repeat and prove, you are a supporter of Putin and his policies, and I will remain his opponent, because I believe that without changing the system, the country will completely collapse. Nationalization (not according to Fedorov) and a return to the socialist model, changed, but retained the basic principles.
      1. Canep
        Canep 6 November 2013 09: 37
        +7
        Quote: baltika-18
        The international reserves of the Central Bank are not 512 billion, but only 466 billion (data as of November 1), and gold only 43 billion.

        And how much was the stash of Russia in the year 2000? Seems 17 billion? Or as many as 17 billion !, and now only 43 billion in gold and some 466 billion in some illiquid papers?
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 6 November 2013 09: 49
          +6
          Quote: Canep
          And how much was in the stash of Russia in 2000? Seems 17 billion?

          No, then it was 11 billion bucks
          1. Canep
            Canep 6 November 2013 10: 01
            +7
            Alexander, thanks for clarifying. It turns out I also exaggerated the inheritance inherited by Putin.
        2. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 6 November 2013 10: 18
          +6
          Quote: Canep
          And how much was in the stash of Russia in 2000? Seems 17 billion? Or as many as 17 billion!

          You compare the terrible with the bad. You always want to choose something .... that smells less. Now imagine what would happen if in 2000. a man like Lukashenko came to power? Or Turkmen Bashi? Everything is relative. Someone will always yell that everything is bad, they have such a nature, but those who see the fog can see the real picture of what is happening under this theme.
          PS That's why the pike in the sea, so that the crucian would not doze off
          1. Vladimirets
            Vladimirets 6 November 2013 11: 08
            +5
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            Or Turkmen Bashi?

            Holy is holy. belay
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 6 November 2013 11: 20
              +1
              Quote: Vladimirets
              Holy is holy. belay

              Familiar Turkmens do not complain.
              1. a52333
                a52333 6 November 2013 14: 07
                0
                Familiar Turkmens do not complain.
                It is difficult for them to compare.
                The first two Internet cafes were opened in Ashgabat on February 16 on February 2007, and according to the plan, Turkmentelecom is going to open more in the capital only 15 cafe with Internet access wassat . Internet connection will operate in other regions. It is planned to introduce the Internet in schools [23].
                laughing
                1. Ingvar 72
                  Ingvar 72 6 November 2013 18: 22
                  +1
                  Quote: a52333
                  It is planned to introduce the Internet in schools [23].

                  But this is in vain. Children at school should learn to think, and not look for ready-made answers on the internet. At least one plus from the Internet in school at least someone calls?
                  1. Ingvar 72
                    Ingvar 72 6 November 2013 20: 02
                    +1
                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    At least one plus from the Internet in school, at least someone will call?

                    Well minus I saw, but something as an argument?
            2. Canep
              Canep 6 November 2013 13: 32
              0
              Quote: Vladimirets
              Holy is holy.

              Have you heard of guest workers from Turkmenistan? They have a higher standard of living than in Ukraine.
              1. T80UM1
                T80UM1 6 November 2013 13: 39
                +4
                yeah and ZP 100 dollars, were you there? Do you know that before going there it’s forbidden to talk about salary levels in the KZ? or how foreign magazines cut off censorship ... I don’t argue they do not starve, and they do not pay taxes, but the country is closed ...
              2. Vladimirets
                Vladimirets 6 November 2013 13: 44
                +1
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                Familiar Turkmens do not complain.

                Quote: Canep
                Have you heard of guest workers from Turkmenistan? They have a higher standard of living than in Ukraine.

                Putin is now being reproached as a dictator, can you imagine if, having come to power, he would seriously discuss the possibility of declaring himself king or emperor (how was Niyazov going to declare himself a shah)? Would Putin write some kind of mud, such as the Ruhnama, and make everyone teach it? Would you call October - Putyabrem? For some reason we accept this Middle Ages, saying that their standard of living is higher than in Zimbabwe.
                1. Ingvar 72
                  Ingvar 72 6 November 2013 13: 53
                  0
                  Quote: Vladimirets
                  Putin is now being reproached as a dictator, you can imagine that if he came to power he would seriously discuss the possibility of declaring himself king

                  If he began himself in relation to his people as Lukashenko, then personally I am not against such a king. And now he is blasphemed because he has been in power for so many years and has done practically nothing. All his achievements are still dependent on oil prices.
                2. Avenger711
                  Avenger711 6 November 2013 14: 36
                  +2
                  If they blaspheme, then it does it right. The greatest rulers of Russia were declared the most evil dictators.
                3. Tatanka Yotanka
                  Tatanka Yotanka 6 November 2013 18: 19
                  +2
                  Quote: Vladimirets
                  I would call October - Putyabrem

                  enough from him and the avenue in Grozny
              3. Avenger711
                Avenger711 6 November 2013 14: 12
                +2
                Because there is 5kk of the population, and there is so much gas that is enough for handouts for everyone, so the standard of living is more or less stable, although it seems not higher than in the Russian Federation. Turkmenistan itself is essentially a closed neo-feudal country. Thinking about the laughing stock of the whole world Niyazov with his "Rukhmana" for which exams were passed, I think, is not worth it.
          2. Dim1
            Dim1 6 November 2013 15: 13
            +3
            Turkmen bash? - then you would have CCTV cameras in the toilet
          3. Dmitriy85
            Dmitriy85 9 November 2013 05: 19
            +1
            why should we look for excuses for everything creative .... like- it could be worse ????. we need a normal life, not a miserable existence (I'm not talking about thieves and traitors ... I'm talking about the people)
        3. baltika-18
          baltika-18 6 November 2013 10: 35
          +4
          Quote: Canep
          And how much was in the stash of Russia in 2000

          Well, in 2000, we have an oil price of $ 27 per barrel. Starting from this period, oil has been constantly increasing in price, reaching 130, now about 105. Naturally, there is still something. But the point is , the growth of our economy, and with it the handouts to the population, was provided precisely by this factor and nothing more, because why in 2013 there is no economic growth (1% in the aggregate for 3 quarters is at the level of statistical error), why the budget is scarce, why the financing of individual programs, because the oil price is quite high, higher than budgeted ($ 93). Yes, because there is no increase in oil prices, the price is relatively stable during 2013. If in the first quarter it was at $ 117, the Russian economy showed growth of 1,8%, then the 2nd and 3rd quarter fall in oil prices (ranging from 93 to 116 dollars) and as a result of the economic growth in the 2nd quarter of 1,5%, the third quarter of 0%. For oil in 2013 formed a corridor 93 $ 117, at which price both walks, and the path system The economy began to stall. More evidence is needed that we essentially do not have an economy, we have two pipes (oil and gas), plus metal and timber. All in addition, and in addition, food imports for the reporting period increased by 6%, 16,8, 25 billion dollars. And if at the beginning of zero, the share of imports in food was at the level of 27-50%, now even according to official statistics, which usually distorts the picture for the better, about XNUMX%. In fact, even more is visible. How do you such an analysis of Putin's rule?
          1. bolonenkov
            6 November 2013 11: 14
            +1
            Quote: baltika-18
            Well then. In 2000, we have an oil price of $ 27 per barrel. Starting from this period, oil has been constantly increasing in price, reaching 130, now about 105.

            You can calculate the entire Russian economy at 99m in barrels and compare it with 2013 also in barrels, and you will see that we produce about the same as 99, and in 2013 there are several times more barrels than 99m)))
            1. baltika-18
              baltika-18 6 November 2013 12: 55
              +1
              Quote: bolonenkov
              You can calculate the entire economy of the Russian Federation at 99m in barrels

              Counting in barrels is still counting in dollars. Compared to 1999, the price of oil has risen 5 times. In 1999, oil export was 135 million tons, in 2012 239 million tons.
              1. bolonenkov
                6 November 2013 14: 48
                +1
                You divide the entire budget of the Russian Federation or GDP from 1999 by the price of 1 barrel of those years - you get a budget expressed in the conditional number of barrels, then divide the budget of 2012 by the price of 1 barrel of 2012. Then you subtract from the budget (or GDP) in barrels the volumes of oil production in 1999 and 2012, respectively.
                GDP calculations are given here, refute at least one figure
                http://fritzmorgen.livejournal.com/590481.html

                If the economy grew proportionally, then the numbers will coincide, but if not. then alas, you have to admit that the budget of the Russian Federation is being filled less and less at the expense of petrodollars, and the economy as a whole is growing not only due to rising energy prices.
                1. baltika-18
                  baltika-18 6 November 2013 17: 09
                  0
                  Quote: bolonenkov
                  You divide the entire budget of the Russian Federation or GDP from 1999 by the price of 1 barrel of those years - you get a budget expressed in the conditional number of barrels, then divide the budget of 2012 by the price of 1 barrel of 2012.

                  fool
                  I won’t say anything else. Read what GDP is.
                  1. bolonenkov
                    6 November 2013 19: 40
                    0
                    Quote: baltika-18
                    I won’t say anything else. Read what GDP is.

                    As I understand it, you have nothing to say in the case, only twist the temple
                  2. 31231
                    31231 6 November 2013 19: 56
                    -2
                    A person offers you a business. You are evidently not strong in arithmetic. From the fluctuating indicators, you are offered to calculate the proportions in order to reveal when the proportion was greater. If you are not a distant person, then do not rush in judgments.
          2. Avenger711
            Avenger711 6 November 2013 14: 14
            0
            That's just not a single oil-producing country has shown growth during this time. And indeed, the Old Man is right about oil. Prices for it cannot be market prices, because oil determines everything and prices for it can throw anyone into the abyss.
          3. Dmitriy85
            Dmitriy85 9 November 2013 05: 21
            0
            You say it right.
        4. Yarosvet
          Yarosvet 6 November 2013 16: 47
          +2
          Quote: Canep
          and now only 43 billion in gold and some 466 billion in some illiquid papers?

          And at the expense of what - due to the wonderful policies of the incumbent president, or due to something else?
          1. bolonenkov
            6 November 2013 19: 41
            +1
            Quote: Yarosvet
            And at the expense of what - due to the wonderful policies of the incumbent president, or due to something else?


            And oil as well.
            1. Yarosvet
              Yarosvet 6 November 2013 21: 59
              +1
              Quote: bolonenkov
              And oil as well.

              You dare to name due to what else - with numbers? laughing
              1. bolonenkov
                7 November 2013 12: 45
                0
                Above, it is proposed to calculate the GDP, budget or total state revenues not in rubles, dollars, but in barrels at once, and then it will become clear to you whether the overall economic growth is only due to oil
      2. Ascetic
        Ascetic 6 November 2013 10: 17
        12
        Quote: baltika-18
        without changing the system, the country will collapse completely. Nationalization (not according to Fedorov) and a return to the socialist model, changed but retained the basic principles.


        To do this, it is necessary at least to return the financial and economic sovereignty of Russia in full. How can we talk about the return to the USSR in a country where the dollar rules through the Central Bank and there is a liberal economic model imposed on us by the winners in the so-called. "cold foine"? Russia has been built into this predatory system and will not be allowed to leave it without chaos and blood. And the fact that Putin is gradually trying to do this is not visible to a common man in the street, because almost all media outlets in fact belong to foreign companies. any major information channel is a joint stock company that works for the purpose of making money. Advertising is the main source of income. They receive money for advertising through the rating mechanism. The rating mechanism is tied to New York and is built in such a way that they receive money systematically for nasty things. The American budget is made up for propaganda expenses in Russia (separately for the Internet, separately for the media, for supporting charitable foundations), plus the money is allocated by various funds. By the way, Hillary Clinton called this money publicly in Congress “money for the war with Russia”. And how can a return to the USSR be carried out in the conditions of this systemic war, when almost all the main levers of government in the country are with the enemy or under his pressure?
        1. Ascetic
          Ascetic 6 November 2013 10: 18
          +9
          They say it is necessary to nationalize the Central Bank and Putin is satisfied with his activities and at the same time refer to the news feeds of the same "Russian media".
          Russian President Vladimir Putin is satisfied with the course of the Central Bank of the country and does not consider it necessary to push him to lower the refinancing rate, RIA Novosti reported.

          Putin does not consider it possible to push the Central Bank to lower the refinancing rate
          And here is the original
          “QUESTION: About measures: Could you reduce the Central Bank rates if necessary?
          VLADIMIR PUTIN: Central Bank rates are only a guideline for the economy. This is just a guide. And of course, we must push all the economic structures of the state to contribute to economic growth. But the Central Bank still has its own special tasks, and, pushing the Central Bank to such joint work, we should not overload it with functions that are not peculiar to it. ”

          Vladimir Putin answered journalists' questions
          And where does it follow that Putin is satisfied with the rates of the Central Bank? There is a phrase about the rates of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation as a guideline for the economy. If you understand that loan interest is a means of managing the economy, and this means is not in the direct power of the state, then Putin’s words will become understandable - the task is to act so that rates are reduced (indirect impact, there are no direct direct connections). The Central Bank of the Russian Federation has very specific (special) tasks, he is independent of the state. However, Putin understands this and is working towards pushing the CBR to work together. It would seem that it is easier to take and nationalize the Central Bank and get out of dependence on loan interest? Putin has raised this issue twice the Duma didn’t support him twice, moreover, Rothschild came to clarify this issue with Putin.
          And through media propaganda, they drum that Putin is an enemy and a protege of the world financial elite. Moreover, the same burry henchmen are drumming. We go further
          1. Ascetic
            Ascetic 6 November 2013 10: 27
            13
            They say that Putin created oligarchic corruption and clan system in the economy for 12 years of his reign. It comes to the point that through the media and the Internet they persistently push the promise


            A lot of them, VKontakte, in LiveJournal, and in other public places. Their name is Legion, Legion-lie And the main thing in this war is to replicate an outright lie, hushing up the true reasons for this or that event or fact. I'll take one specific example. T.N. "The Uralkali case" where the oligarchs-compradors and proteges of the world financial backstage in the person of Voloshin specifically appear.
            The case is presented in such a way that the dictator Lukashenka, with the tacit consent of Putin, is almost betraying the interests of Russia. A liberal stench immediately arose and finger threats from Medvedev's "government" and his associates. In fact, the reason for the discontent lies in something completely different and is again actively hushed up.
            We read the note from the Israeli site izrus.of 3.8.2010g.
            The plan of the Russian oligarch will help an Israeli company get rich
            Suleiman Kerimov, a Russian businessman and politician, one of the richest men in the world, is going to add other industry assets in the CIS - Russian Silvinit and Belarus Belaruskali - to his recently purchased controlling stake in Uralkali. If he succeeds, then Kerimov will become the owner of a real empire of scale about the production of potassium chloride - all these companies together produce 20 million tons of this substance, which is about 35% of the needs of the world market.
            Another 20 million tons are produced by Canadians, and the Israeli company "Kimikalim Le-Israel" (ICL) - 6 million tons. The creation of the "Kerimov empire", which will unite previously competing companies, will undoubtedly increase the prices for this product and the importance of independent specialized structures that are not part of this concern. Thus, according to TheMarker, the price of Kimikalim Le-Israel may significantly increase. But this is not the only good news for this company. Due to the intense heat and damage to the grain harvest in the CIS countries, the demand for fertilizers is expected to increase next year, and potassium is one of their key ingredients. Thus, the Israeli firm expects to make money on the warming in the former Soviet republics, primarily in Russia.
            Putin and Lukashenko have ruined these plans for another TNC in the system of global capitalism. This is again silent, and Putin does not want to and does not want to fight the oligarchs. And this is just one example. Before that, Rosneft and TNK BP had plans. nationalization of elites (example above). Therefore, the conclusion is correctly drawn in the article. Need to be realistic and clearly understand that Russia is at war and any harsh and ill-conceived decisions will lead to the breakdown of the state and the collapse of Russia.
            And finally, I recommend reading people's memories of the 90s and refreshing your personal memory
            Bloody Disco 90s
            1. stalkerwalker
              stalkerwalker 6 November 2013 10: 38
              +8
              Quote: Ascetic
              They say that Putin created an oligarchic corruption and clan system in the economy for 12 years of his reign. It comes to the point that through the media and the Internet they persistently push the promise

              Yes, the other day, the "workers from the intellectual plow" cried to their hearts' content while discussing Alik Kantor's article ...
            2. a52333
              a52333 6 November 2013 14: 20
              +3
              Ascetic Bravo. hi good I applaud while standing. Question to administrators - why one cannot so often add the same thing? And if Ascetic gives three comments, and each is worthy of a plus? Yarosvet, you are on the site? Read the above. We argued with you. I could not prove. And from myself half a penny:
              The State Duma has shown its venality in the issue of voting on nationalization and deoffshorization. Formally - under revision. And I really want to monitor gosduRu online (I wrote a letter to Fedorov about this). so that “patriots” like Zyuganov have a finger before. how to press for or against stopped before the button.
              1. Yarosvet
                Yarosvet 6 November 2013 17: 18
                +4
                Quote: a52333
                Yarosvet, are you on the site [/ b]? Read the above
                I will analyze specifically for you:

                Quote: Ascetic
                To do this, you need to at least return the financial and economic sovereignty of Russia in full
                1 In a global market, FULL sovereignty in the economic and financial sphere is impossible.
                2 To strengthen economic sovereignty, it is necessary to reach a level of self-sufficiency, which purposefully does not happen, although it could be.
                3 In fact, economic sovereignty is being lost, and in violation of a number of articles of the Constitution and Federal laws (the president does not have the right to do this, but he does)

                in a country where the dollar rules ... there is a liberal economic model imposed on us by the winners
                This is frank nonsense - which winners are the act of surrender to the table, which dollar board is the legislative confirmation of the barrel. in so-called

                About the media - nonsense.

                Rating mechanism tied to New York
                It is clear what is written? It is argued that the ratings are made not by the popularity of the program among the population, but by some nasty things.

                By the way, this money Hillary Clinton called publicly in Congress "money for the war with Russia"
                This is according to Fedorov’s statements, which Ascetic broadcasts: what can I call Ascetic if he cannot confirm the pronunciation of the aforementioned words of H. Clinton?

                are all the main levers of governing the country at the enemy or under his pressure?
                Again, nonsense: the main levers (always have been and will be) are legislation and repressive bodies.
                1. Botanologist
                  Botanologist 6 November 2013 20: 08
                  +1
                  Quote: Yarosvet
                  It is argued that the ratings are made not by the popularity of the program among the population, but by some nasty things.


                  lol in more detail, if not difficult. for example, the popularity of the shares of the leading 10 campaigns of each industry among the population lol . And then the exchanges publish some strange ratings wassat
                  1. Yarosvet
                    Yarosvet 6 November 2013 21: 35
                    0
                    Quote: Botanologist
                    the popularity of the shares of the top 10 campaigns of each industry among the population. And then the exchanges publish some strange ratings
                    Tell me, my dear - the fig is pretty?

                    Quote: Ascetic
                    for almost everything Media essentially owned by foreign companies. any major information channel is a joint-stock company that works with the goal of making money. Advertising is the main source of income. They get money for advertising through rating mechanism. The rating mechanism is tied to New York and built in such a way that they receive money systematically for filth
              2. Yarosvet
                Yarosvet 6 November 2013 17: 32
                +2
                Quote: Ascetic
                They say you need to nationalize the Central Bank
                Another nonsense has already been repeatedly analyzed - it is impossible to nationalize the national.
                As for the rate, the Central Bank, which carries out its expenses at the expense of its income and is obliged to EFFECTIVELY manage reserves, cannot set the rate below the inflation rate, since in this case its income and income from reserve management will go into minus.

                The CBR has very specific (special) tasks, [b] it is independent of the state
                Only in terms of performing these tasks.

                It would seem that it is easier to take and nationalize the Central Bank and get out of dependence on loan interest?
                Again, nonsense - you cannot make the Bank of Russia a Bank of Russia, you cannot nationalize the FEDERAL STATE AUTHORITY - A STATE INSTITUTION WITH A SPECIAL STATUS, APPENDIX OF THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE.

                Putin raised this question twice; the thought twice did not support him
                If the Duma did not support him twice, it means the bills were introduced twice: NUMBERS OF DRAFT LAWS ON THE BARREL.

                moreover, Rothschild came to clarify this issue with Putin
                Where is the documentary evidence of this? And the aliens didn’t come to Putin to solve the problems?
              3. Yarosvet
                Yarosvet 6 November 2013 17: 48
                +4
                Quote: Ascetic
                They say that Putin created oligarchic corruption and clan system in the economy for 12 years of his reign
                They say (and the medveputy themselves) that in the 9th year the volume of the corruption market in the Russian Federation reached the size of 300 billion cabbage rubles, which is comparable to the size of the budget of the 9th year - does the concept "ACHIEVED" say anything?

                And then Ascet was so generous that he specifically attributed the position of Lukashenko to Uralkali to Putin.

                Quote: a52333
                The State Duma has shown its corruption in the issue of voting on nationalization and deoffshorization
                Listen, maybe I don’t know what - tell me: what exactly was the plan for nationalization of the Central Bank, what are the numbers of draft laws introduced by Putin for this purpose - I read, acknowledge, agree.
                The trouble is that Putin didn’t introduce any bills for the purpose of type of nationalization, but the bill he introduced on the Banking Council has long been adopted, and for 11 years the Central Bank has de facto been controlled not by the Duma, but by the president (although what kind of control can be discussed if the majority in it is the party of the president)

                And, I really want to monitor gosduRu online
                And here I do not argue, and very much for, although you can see the results of the voting of factions and so on
                1. Tatanka Yotanka
                  Tatanka Yotanka 6 November 2013 19: 43
                  +3
                  with all due respect to Asketu-Yarosvet competently parried and therefore I will support him. Ascetic, Stanislav, namesake, and evidence, hde?
                  1. Normal
                    Normal 6 November 2013 23: 23
                    +2
                    Quote: Tatanka Yotanka
                    with all due respect to Asketu-Yarosvet competently parried and therefore I will support him. Ascetic, Stanislav, namesake, and evidence, hde?

                    With all due respect to Ascetic ....
                    Stanislav (Ascetic) is this your article?
                    In my opinion, you rolled down to Fedorovschina.
                  2. Ascetic
                    Ascetic 8 November 2013 10: 05
                    +2
                    What evidence on the Central Bank? Article 75 of the Constitution and the Law on the Central Bank of the Russian Federation.
                    Imagine that your family has a wallet, it contains your money. You earned them by honest labor. But you can’t spend them. Under no circumstances. Without the permission of a completely independent uncle who lives, by the way, in your own apartment. That is, formally - it works for you. As if. Because in reality he is completely independent of you. He himself appoints a salary, pays it to himself. But you depend on him. After all, only he can give you permission to spend YOUR earned money. And without his permission you cannot do this. And in order to avoid temptation, your salary and all the savings now go not to you, but to the uncle. He protects the gold and foreign exchange reserves of your family. Not fair? Inconvenient? Is it weird? What do you! Fair! Conveniently! Modern! And, most importantly, it cannot be otherwise - if you entrust the money to you, you can spend it. After all, this is exactly how they explain to us the correctness and wisdom of this strange situation. But in the family you would have sorted out with the uncle quickly - you would have taken, and kicked him out. So? And the uncle is cunning! And as you are about to turn him around, he begins to scream at the whole entrance. And just in case, there are three other uncles at the entrance to your apartment. It is written on them: "Human Rights Organizations", "Independent Press", "Civilized Countries (NATO)." Do not believe? Please: CB Law Article 6. "... The Bank of Russia has the right to apply for the protection of its interests to international courts, courts of foreign states and arbitration courts ...". And they do not obey you, but your unsolicited financial assistant. They make sure that you do not offend your uncle. And so politely he asked permission for all his financial expenses. Why? Because You have signed the law on the Central Bank of your apartment and are now required to comply with it.

                    What evidence is still needed. Putin's bills? So already gave links.
                    1. Tatanka Yotanka
                      Tatanka Yotanka 8 November 2013 16: 35
                      +2
                      Quote: Ascetic
                      What evidence is still needed

                      yes, I’m talking about it
                      Quote: Yarosvet
                      Putin raised this question twice; the thought twice did not support him
                      If the Duma did not support him twice, it means the bills were introduced twice: NUMBERS OF DRAFT LAWS ON THE BARREL.

                      so that EP did not support its supreme leader? or the communists, screaming at each post about nationalization, it remains to write Yanki-Volfych's headache as agents, or maybe these single-mandate people have fussed? I categorically do not believe it, and because of the complexity and complexity of the situation with the Central Bank, the idea of:
                      Quote: Yarosvet
                      the possibility of a global performance, agreed in advance between the Russian Federation and the USA, broadcast for ordinary citizens
                2. Ascetic
                  Ascetic 8 November 2013 10: 10
                  +2
                  Quote: Yarosvet
                  Listen, maybe I don’t know what - tell me: what exactly was the plan for nationalization of the Central Bank, what are the numbers of draft laws introduced by Putin for this purpose - I read, acknowledge, agree.


                  Russian President Vladimir Putin signed a law on the creation in Russia of a single mega-regulator based on the Central Bank. The authority of the Federal Service for Financial Markets is also transferred to the regulator. This is stated on the Kremlin website. The main goal of the monetary policy of the Bank of Russia will be protection and stability of the ruble by maintaining price stability, including to create conditions for balanced and sustainable economic growth. Russian money is pulled out of the reserve funds-debt securities of the West and is poured into industry and infrastructure through state-controlled credit institutions, the Central Bank is turning into a mega-regulator, its head is appointed obedient liberal Nabiullina, who should cover the operation to lower credit rates with her handshake; The Central Bank receives super-powers to control the banking system (including private banks), thanks to which the state fully controls the cash flows poured into the country's economy - industry receives long loans, large-scale domestic investments, Russia is untying the neocolonial dollar mechanism, and new industrialization is being launched.
                  link
                  1. Ascetic
                    Ascetic 8 November 2013 10: 20
                    +1
                    1. In early October, Putin announced that the NWF would continue financing large-scale infrastructure projects.
                    Putin: NWF should become a "safety cushion" for the Russian economy

                    2. The IMF opposed.
                    [quote] The IMF recommends that the Russian authorities do not allocate funds from the National Wealth Fund for infrastructure projects, since this does not correspond to the spirit of the budget rule. [/ quote]
                    The IMF called the conditions for the growth of the Russian economy to 5% per year

                    3 Putin confirmed the decision to use 40% of SWF for the implementation of infrastructure megaprojects.
                    Shuvalov: Putin confirmed the decision to use the NWF at 40%

                    [quote = Tatanka Yotanka] Ascetic, Stanislav, namesake, and proofs, where?
                    [/ quote
                    This is only from the last. It is possible along Vekselberg and Skolkovo, but it is dreary and long. Anyway, no one needs it. The dog barks, the caravan goes on. Don't lose heart, namesake.
                    1. Yarosvet
                      Yarosvet 8 November 2013 14: 51
                      +2
                      Quote: Ascetic
                      Russian President Vladimir Putin signed a law creating a single mega-regulator in Russia based on the Central Bank
                      Now turn on the head:
                      Allegedly, the pro-American Central Bank is endowed with the function of a mega-regulator - what’s it, masochism?
                      The Central Bank also transferred the powers of the Federal Service for Financial Markets - this is probably already complete schizophrenia, since according to your logic, the financial agent of the country is transferred to the American agent for management - is that how you got rid of the bondage of the dollar - giving all the levers of control to the Americans? laughing

                      obedient liberal Nabiullina appointed as its leader
                      And with what joy did you decide that this liberal is obedient?
                      And Ignatiev, who 3 times served as head of the Central Bank was naughty? And why the hell did Putin appoint him 3 times?

                      Quote: Ascetic
                      1. In early October, Putin announced that the NWF would continue financing large-scale infrastructure projects.

                      You have an amazing, if I may say so, "logic": in your opinion, if the West is against, then Putin is doing everything right - and on what basis do you think so, can you explain? If you suffer from such a monstrous craving for conspiracy theories, then why do you unequivocally exclude the possibility of a global performance, agreed in advance between the Russian Federation and the United States, broadcast for ordinary citizens - what reasons do you have to exclude it?

                      Quote: Ascetic
                      What evidence on the Central Bank? Article 75 of the Constitution and the Law on the Central Bank of the Russian Federation
                      What do you dislike there? What is a separate body that protects the ruble, regardless of the political situation? That this body is independent FROM OTHERS federal government? That the government and the president cannot formally print money, thereby dispersing the already monstrous inflation, and fill the hole that arose because they banged hundreds of billions on unstoppable populist projects?

                      What evidence is still needed. Putin's bills?
                      Yes - 2 bills you mentioned, writing numbers of which is much simpler and faster than 3 comments.

                      I don’t know why, I don’t know why, but in this case, Stanislav, you are lying frankly.
            3. Bigriver
              Bigriver 6 November 2013 15: 31
              0
              Quote: Ascetic
              Need to be realistic and clearly understand that Russia is at war and any harsh and ill-conceived decisions will lead to the destruction of the state and the collapse of Russia ...

              This is 5 !!!fellow Per post.
          2. Misantrop
            Misantrop 6 November 2013 11: 09
            +4
            Quote: Ascetic
            loan interest is a means of managing the economy, and this means is not in the direct power of the state
            Money and the Central Bank are the circulatory system of the country. And they tell us that independence is required? belay Imagine a patient with a similar feature of the body. At best, this is a disabled person with a pacemaker. And there is no FULL independence now. If the Central Bank does not depend on the state, then on whom does it DEPEND? And does this "someone" need a strong state capable of defending its interests? what
            1. Yarosvet
              Yarosvet 6 November 2013 17: 59
              +1
              Quote: Misantrop
              If the Central Bank is not dependent on the state
              1. Misantrop
                Misantrop 6 November 2013 19: 34
                +4
                Yarosvet, and then what? The words are written beautiful, now I would have found more ideal performers ... Let me remind you, judges in the Russian Federation, too, seem to be independent to the limit. Has this helped to bring the Russian judicial system closer to the ideal? what
                1. Yarosvet
                  Yarosvet 6 November 2013 22: 04
                  +1
                  Quote: Misantrop
                  Yarosvet, and then what? The words are written beautiful, now I would have found more ideal performers ... Let me remind you, judges in the Russian Federation, too, seem to be independent to the limit. Has this helped to bring the Russian judicial system closer to the ideal? what

                  And what side are the performers here?

                  Here the people squeak that the Central Bank needs to be nationalized, otherwise it is supposedly very independent.

                  Moreover, the law says that it is independent only in terms of powers and functions, moreover, it is independent of OTHER federal bodies, and this, in turn, indicates that it is itself a federal body and, as a result, the nationalization of the Central Bank is nonsense.
                  1. Misantrop
                    Misantrop 7 November 2013 01: 43
                    +6
                    Quote: Yarosvet
                    that the Central Bank needs to be nationalized, otherwise it is supposedly very independent.

                    Moreover, the law says that it is independent only in terms of powers and functions, and it is independent of OTHER federal bodies
                    Actually (to be honest) all this "independence" results in a bunch of uncoordinated actions with an overall efficiency, like the first steam locomotives. And if we also take into account that professionals among top managers can be counted on the fingers of one hand of a disabled joiner ... sad
                    1. Yarosvet
                      Yarosvet 7 November 2013 11: 46
                      -1
                      Quote: Misantrop
                      Actually (to be honest) all this "independence" results in a bunch of uncoordinated actions

                      Yes, there is really no independence - the Central Bank is as independent as the court, that is, formally: the president / EP / government is appointed and controlled - what kind of independence can we talk about? laughing
          3. Normal
            Normal 6 November 2013 23: 15
            +3
            Quote: Ascetic
            Russia was built into this predatory system and they won’t be allowed to leave it without chaos and blood. And the fact that Putin is gradually trying to do this to a simple layman is not visible because almost all the media essentially belong to foreign companies.

            Wah! And who built Russia into this predatory system? Who dragged Russia into the WTO. Who for years has translated the Russian economy from production to trade in resources? Looks like liberals and all-enforcers, and Putin all this time was powerless to stop them, because:
            Quote: Ascetic
            Putin raised this issue twice, the Duma did not support him twice,

            Well, of course! When Putin wanted to rule not two terms of 4 years, but two terms of 6 years (that is, the old three terms), the Duma immediately fulfilled the will of the All-Great and changed the constitution in the necessary part, and when the Central Bank needed to nationalize, the thought suddenly bucked. And this despite the fact that EdRo, the Liberal Democratic Party and other satellites in the Duma make up the absolute majority during Putin’s rule. This despite the fact that the Duma is on the balance sheet of the Office of the Presidential Administration. Yes, I would rather believe in aliens than that the thought went against the will of the president. I just needed such a PR move and the thought played up (I would try not to play along)
            Quote: Ascetic
            moreover, Rothschild came to clarify this issue with Putin.

            Here! The curator arrived and decided everything. Q.E.D;
            Putin is an enemy and a protege of the global financial elite.
        2. baltika-18
          baltika-18 6 November 2013 17: 21
          +5
          Quote: Ascetic
          To do this, you need to at least return the financial and economic sovereignty of Russia in full

          Ascetic, do you at least believe in what you write. Or is there such a profession as “to protect Putin?” According to Starikov, there is cultural, financial, economic, military sovereignty. Nonsense is everything, Ascetic. Soverinit is independence, either it exists or it no. And the notions of Starikov, Fedorov, and yours come down to one thing. You have to be patient, work is going on restoring sovereignty, the main thing is stability, do not twitch, be patient, Putin knows what to do, if somewhere good is Putin, if somewhere - then the seams are the machinations of the enemies who have dug in near him. You yourself are not ashamed or sick of this delirium.
          1. Botanologist
            Botanologist 6 November 2013 20: 14
            +1
            Quote: baltika-18
            Sovereignty is independence, either it exists or it doesn’t exist. But the ideas of Starikov, Fedorov, and yours come down to one thing. You have to tolerate, the work is on restoring sovereignty, the main thing is stability, don’t twitch, endure,


            I think that you are arguing with Ascetic solely because you have not established the scope of sovereignty. Or indicators as you like. All the same, sovereignty is not an abstract matter, it cannot be established "is" - "no". Don't be primitive about the problem.
          2. 31231
            31231 6 November 2013 20: 20
            0
            Personally, I’m not defending Putin here, but stability in Russia. Evolutionary movement for the better. I think it’s not necessary to give examples of the revolutions of 1917 and 1991, what happened then and how did it live then ?!
            Here you cite many data from the same sources that used to be called democratic (Solzhenitsyn, Voice of America, Rezun-Suvorov). At the same time, do not bother to analyze official sources (Rosstat, FMS, official websites of companies).
            1. stalkerwalker
              stalkerwalker 6 November 2013 20: 29
              +6
              Quote: 31231
              At the same time, do not bother to analyze official sources (Rosstat, FMS, official websites of companies).

              It would be nice to ask the veterans who had caught Khrushchev (or maybe Stalin).
      3. 31231
        31231 6 November 2013 19: 48
        +1
        The Central Bank's international reserves are not 512 billion, but only 466 billion (data as of November 1), with gold only 43 billion.

        We carefully read the official website of the Central Bank http://www.cbr.ru/hd_base/default.aspx?Prtid=mrrf_m
        not "truthful" sources.
    2. soldier's grandson
      soldier's grandson 6 November 2013 18: 20
      0
      we still have such a salary
  • alexng
    alexng 6 November 2013 07: 47
    +7
    Russia needs another slogan: Be realistic, DO the impossible!
    We will succeed. It can not fail.


    Of course it will work! To the envy of the 5th column ... Russia has already got up from a full prone, and from her knees to full height. Now it remains to gain momentum. And the “commentators of easy behavior,” such as “God forgive me,” have fewer and fewer trump cards left over the mockery of today's Russia. So they rage over trifles and from incontinence. The article is a huge plus. good
    1. a52333
      a52333 6 November 2013 07: 57
      12
      I here escaped by reference and brought.
      Sechin - Darth Vader of All Russia
      crimsonalter
      October 29th, 2013, 09: 32 am
      In general, I am fiercely with our "patriotic community" (tm). For ten years, they demand that hydrocarbons be sold for rubles, whine, gnash their teeth and declare Putin a traitor because he did not try to arrange an Iranian scenario in the Russian Federation (who does not know, Iran's problems did not start because of nuclear energy, these are fairy tales for de = = fishing, but because of an attempt to make an Iranian oil and gas exchange with a decoupling from the dollar. The "world community" (tm) immediately sharply revealed disturbances in the Iranian nuclear program, clearly showing that such turns in oil and gas policy need to be prepared for a long time, carefully and thoughtfully)
      Now Sechin has arranged in Korea an analogue of the famous Munich speech. In specialized circles, the howl stands as if he personally stomped on the eggs of the entire Western financial elite. According to "information from sources", the European Union, changing the diaper on the fly, has already begun to knock wedges towards Gazprom in order to endow the North and South Stream with a special status, removing both pipes from the requirements of the "3 energy package" which Gazprom could not achieve for years. .e. The European Commission is in fact ready to tear off the sting and pull out the teeth of its main legal weapon against Gazprom, if only someone would stop / neutralize / freeze Sechin. Now grandfather Kissinger has personally come to "settle the matter." Amers now have one more problem: after Syria, the Saudis started yelling "Akela missed!" and threaten to turn off the mechanism for creating and circulating petrodollars, while at the same time beginning to threaten the reorientation of their gold reserves towards China and Europe. Washington is not in a very good situation right now, to put it mildly.
      And this is just what is visible on the surface.
      Of course, the "patriotic community" that savor every post of Navalny cannot condescend to discuss such trifles. Discussions about how "Putin is destroying Rassiyushka" are much more interesting. Screamers and morons on a salary, what to take from them?
      1. 31231
        31231 6 November 2013 20: 28
        0
        Gazprom probably would have reoriented most of its offers on the hydrocarbon market to the East. There is one problem, there are no large hydrocarbon reserves near the Far East. And it’s unprofitable to drive them from Western Siberia. And those that are now coming from Yakutia and the Sakhalin shelf diverge like hot cakes and the volumes are contracted for many years to come.
        So it seems to me that Europe is afraid of leaving part of the hydrocarbon volumes of our producing companies to the East. By the way Qatar and the Norgs will sell gas at a higher price to Europe. And this is an additional addition to the cost of goods in Europe.
        1. atalef
          atalef 6 November 2013 20: 38
          +2
          Quote: 31231
          Gazprom probably would have already reoriented most of its offers on the hydrocarbon market to the East.

          In general, you probably do not know, he refocused on London, Cyprus, the Cayman Islands, yes ... some more to Nice laughing
          1. 31231
            31231 6 November 2013 21: 18
            +1
            I understand that this is an attempt to joke, but somehow it is unsuccessful for me. I can also write that your co-religionists Berezovsky, Abramovich were dumped in London. Whereas Sechin and Kozitsyn live in Russia. Appreciate the joke?

            Well, look at the tablet, how much billion cubic meters of gas goes to the UK
    2. olviko
      olviko 6 November 2013 08: 19
      +3
      Of course it will! To the envy of the 5th column
      Absolutely agree . Here is a view from the side of an intelligent person:
      "They don't understand that you are a separate civilization? You have everything - natural resources, land, water, a hardworking smart people, a heroic story ..."
      Jacques Chirac - President of France.
    3. little man
      little man 6 November 2013 21: 53
      +1
      Well done! , forgot about the 5th !!!
  • major071
    major071 6 November 2013 07: 49
    +7
    Interesting article. I agree with the author of interest on 95. Only a very strong leader could get Russia out of the mud. There will always be those who are not happy with something, even if everything goes well.
    1. alexng
      alexng 7 November 2013 11: 00
      -2
      Yes, all undertakings in restoring the former power of any country, there will always be such, like "A Baba Yaga is against." And they absolutely do not give a damn about everything and everyone, just to be against, and for this "against" they would still pay extra. They think that money doesn't smell. Yes, no, gentlemen of the cheap (opponents of a strong Russia): they still smell. And they smell like carrion.
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  • makarov
    makarov 6 November 2013 07: 51
    11
    "... About the shootings. A favorite dream of the 'patriotic community." Some people think that if you start shooting "like in China" (tm), then everything will get hurt, and everyone will feel "justice."

    I had to hear such exclamations and calls many times, and the group of the older generation dominated regardless of gender. And almost always, he asked them a counter-question. And you yourself, with your own hand, are ready to kill the brow you indicated only because he sold you stale goods? And sometimes in the eyes there is comprehension, and understanding of what has been said before.
    Alas, people forgot how to control themselves and understand that at first there was a word.
    1. ZU-23
      ZU-23 6 November 2013 08: 11
      +4
      We have too few people to take and shoot at a million a year, and if we also shoot breeders to shoot, then generally 2 million a year. It is imperative to revive hard labor, and the point is that they are not practically planted, and if they are, they live there as in a pioneer camp, on the taxes of those whom they robbed)))
    2. Canep
      Canep 6 November 2013 08: 12
      +1
      The state has a more sophisticated method of murder - life imprisonment, I read: near Orenburg "Black Dolphin" is a special regime prison for 1100 people, it has a psychiatric ward for 300 people, they write: the fool is always overcrowded. That is, a person first sleeps and then dies on this basis.
      1. ZU-23
        ZU-23 6 November 2013 08: 40
        +1
        And what's the point that he will bend and you can’t take anything with him, but you can pick it up with difficulty, especially for white-collar workers this is death in general)))
    3. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 6 November 2013 10: 26
      +2
      Quote: makarov
      And you yourself, with your own hand, are ready to kill the brow you indicated only because he sold you stale goods?

      What does the stale product have to do with it? And if you ask the question differently, for the murder of a neighbor, mind you, not your child? I think he would be ready. I'm ready.
  • Sunjar
    Sunjar 6 November 2013 08: 01
    0
    I always believed that our Motherland is the Greatest country. I always believed that in total the peoples inhabiting non-Russian territories are kinder and more decent than the rest. Yes, there are dark spots in our history, as now, as during the Civil War ... And every time after such upheavals, when the remnants of the human essence seem to disappear, we prove the opposite, showing mercy, kindness, decency. Therefore, all the decadent moods and prophecies of the death of Russia were ridiculous to me.

    Most of the so-called independent media (as some call them SMRAD - Means of Mass Agitation and Disinformation) through informal levers manage them: through funding, appointing specific people (their friends or sub-control comrades) to leadership positions. Therefore, in SMRAD only the blackest news is described. Moreover, even many good events are presented in a negative way. When the task of SMRAD is to consolidate the population, nurture the consumer's worldview, approach to life from the perspective of everything now and for oneself and one’s beloved, then there will be no objective information about the processes taking place in our country, and there’s nothing to appeal to them to they described the good in our country.

    In conclusion, I express my opinion that it will be much more beneficial for the state to reorient itself, not through revolution, but through peace processes, when the condition is created that those who are stealing will return the stolen money voluntarily or relatively voluntarily and either resign or begin to work for the benefit of the people, as befits those who are at the helm of the state. But people who believe that revolution, expropriation, executions are much better for our country, let them ask the question: who will rule the country? And do not assume that good managers appear out of nowhere. In this situation, you have to learn again, which will result in certain management errors in all areas of life. it’s much more useful to train managers and specialists of a different level now, and when the time comes, they will replace those who will rule the country at that time. Any force method will only harm the country.
  • vjatsergey
    vjatsergey 6 November 2013 08: 02
    12
    I didn’t put the article either plus or minus. I agree with many, but there’s nothing much to rejoice about (except for the army). In 2000, a kilowatt cost less than a ruble, now a receipt of 4 rubles a kilowatt has arrived, bread has cost 6 rubles, now 38 and so on. About 15 Tajiks were brought to a nearby entrance yesterday, which means that 15 local workers will be cut somewhere. Maybe I'm just old and so grumble? But I’m glad for the army, glad for reckoning with Russia, and if, God forbid, some adversary is lodged in Russia, I will get a karamultuk and go partisan, even though I’m already old.
    1. a52333
      a52333 6 November 2013 08: 05
      +4
      You are not old, you are SUPERstar, if you say so:
      I’ll get a karamultuk and go partisan, although it’s already old.
    2. Luna
      Luna 6 November 2013 12: 32
      +2
      In 2001, my rent was 200 rubles, but my salary was 1800 rubles.
      So let's remember EVERYTHING.
      1. Yarosvet
        Yarosvet 6 November 2013 18: 12
        +4
        Quote: Luna
        So let's remember EVERYTHING.

        Let's: 1800 - the average for the country, if my memory serves me right.

        Now thirty is declared average - a 17-fold increase.

        And now you need to give 5 for a communal apartment - an increase of 25 times.

        Conclusion?
        1. 31231
          31231 6 November 2013 20: 33
          0
          And now you need to give 5 for a communal apartment - an increase of 25 times.


          Can I get a receipt? And then in my dvushka in the south of Eburg, 4,0-4,5 rubles. Two are registered.
          1. Yarosvet
            Yarosvet 6 November 2013 22: 10
            +2
            Quote: 31231
            Can I get a receipt? And then in my dvushka in the south of Eburg, 4,0-4,5 rubles. Two are registered.


            You can - take 3 receipts for example for March-April-May 2001 and calculate the average price. You do the same with respect to the 13th for the same months, and you think how many times the tariffs increased specifically in the apartment in the south of Eburg.
            1. 31231
              31231 6 November 2013 23: 04
              0
              You probably have not heard my question ?! But nothing, I repeat
              You can picture with receipts here for this phrase
              And now you need to give 5 for a communal apartment - an increase of 25 times.
              ?

              Personally, I can’t look at the ticket for 2001, because I bought an apartment in Eburg in 2011.
  • mak210
    mak210 6 November 2013 08: 06
    +9
    We are unpretentious. All we need is for the promises to be kept, not to be shaken, well, like: double the GDP, eliminate corruption, bring the salaries of doctors and teachers to the average for the region, etc. I don’t want Faberge eggs, football teams, network laundries in the United States bought with money belonging to everyone. We want that, leaving the Moscow Ring Road, I would not have a sense of shame for the beggarly appearance of the villages, so that our children would not rush about in search of work from the applicants in the cafe to the guards. Isn't that a bit?

    Surely life in Moscow has changed a lot in recent years, and the rest of Russia? You generally go at least sometimes to the so-called. province? And we are only intimidated by the coming crisis, they promise an increase in unemployment (where in the rest of the world will you find such "figures"?), But the fat faces of pop singers and other pops are showing. They live well, definitely.

    For nine years, the number of officials increased by 41 times, and expenditures increased by 77 times. We will ensure these changes, and if we do not provide, then in almost 40 municipal areas there will be no ordinary people, only deputies and officials.

    Really cut? And who hired them and why? Seven with a spoon - one with a bipod.

    I don’t know what to do, they taught me something else, maybe that's why I’m not the president. But the boy said - the boy did or did not say. Where is your face, comrades bosses?
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 6 November 2013 10: 08
      +8
      And all that is needed is political will and joy for the state, and then the stool and hedgehogs with him would have sat and brought in their teeth stolen by overwork, and the oligarchs turned like a snake in a frying pan -13% tax, this is such a lot of money to the treasury. Who lives happily, freely in Russia? That's all the conclusions about the galleys. hi
  • Alikovo
    Alikovo 6 November 2013 08: 07
    +2
    just laws need to be tightened.
    1. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 6 November 2013 18: 13
      +8
      Quote: Alikovo
      just laws need to be tightened.

      Follow
  • Rattenfanger
    Rattenfanger 6 November 2013 08: 08
    +6
    "They need great shocks, we need a Great Russia!"as Peter Arkadyevich Stolypin correctly noted. Yes, there are a lot of questions for Putin. Yes, everything is not as chocolate as it could be. But the next revolution with the demolition not only of the minuses, but also the pluses of the current situation is not needed for nothing, I think. Not so long ago, overhaul under the slogan was already carried out in our long-suffering Motherland "we will destroy ... to the ground, and then". Exactly this "then" performed by home-grown liberals and "reformers in five hundred days" smacks of genocide.
    All this resembles an attempt to draw something performed by a restless child of 4-5 years old: a drawing failed, crumpled a sheet, throws it away and takes a new one. Only here, instead of a crumpled piece, millions of lives will turn out to be crumpled, including ours. Enough, passed not so long ago.
    not revolutions and revolts need to be dealt with, but the systematic correction of errors and bringing the created to the right condition. Gradually, step by step.
  • erased
    erased 6 November 2013 08: 09
    13
    For a real factual analysis of the activity, real facts and figures are needed, from which we must dance. Plus, the criteria for evaluating the points are at least 20, and preferably 30. The number of officials in the country will include both GDP (not to be confused with the Kremlin owner, GDP - gross domestic product) and industry data - how much iron was smelted / machine tools were put in / out of bins tons of grain / built machinery, etc. Plus the average income by region, the number of people employed in INDUSTRY AND AGRICULTURE (and not in office plankton and trade). And these items are 20-30.
    Moreover, in dynamics, well, at least for a decade. And give a comparative analysis with the RSFSR (and not with the USSR because of the size of the countries). For example, view the years 1970-1980 and 2002-2012.
    Then, with numbers and graphs on hand, you can compare and draw conclusions. Having made an amendment for the period of Yeltsin banditry and betrayal from 1992 to 2000. Well, that was fair.
    And in order to maintain objectivity, in the appendix we also provide data on real criminal cases (embezzlement on an especially large scale, planning and conducting the first and second Chechen wars, etc.) That is, see if someone was punished for lawlessness, treason and theft. This will give a picture of the work / sabotage of the judicial system and the attitude of the authorities towards it.

    Well, people will look, hu is the owner of the Kremlin (+ his shadow 2008-2012) and they will draw conclusions themselves, without prompts, slogans and indiscriminate flattery. And especially meticulous ones can move 100-150 kilometers from Moskvabad and try to find the 21st century. There, it is especially easy to think about data objectivity.
  • patriot2
    patriot2 6 November 2013 08: 17
    11
    Quote: Alikovo
    just laws need to be tightened.

    LAWS NEEDED TO WORK FOR EVERYONE, NOT ONLY FOR SOME!
  • morpogr
    morpogr 6 November 2013 08: 19
    +3
    It’s all a matter of fact and arrangement. I really want our children to be able to say that they are proud to live in Russia a Great, Mighty, Rich country!
  • Kiliny
    Kiliny 6 November 2013 08: 21
    +4
    Cool article! I read it with pleasure! + author
  • vlbelugin
    vlbelugin 6 November 2013 08: 21
    +3
    Article +. But why haven’t they shot Vasilyeva yet? request
    1. papik09
      papik09 6 November 2013 08: 35
      11
      I support the question: "Why, after all, Vasilyeva wasn’t shot yet?" The author said this several times, but unrequitedly. repeat
      1. bolonenkov
        6 November 2013 13: 00
        -2
        Quote: papik09
        "Why, after all, they haven't shot Vasilyeva YET?

        1) a moratorium on the death penalty in the Russian Federation
        2) Vasiliev does not admit his guilt, so her guilt must be proved in all respects.
        For comparison, the bulk case lasted several years, the amount of damage 15 million, the size of the case 29 volumes.
        3) None of the accomplices gave evidence against Serdyukov, and for the sins of subordinates it is impossible to judge the head of the department, at least by law, since he admits the fact that he was misled. Approximately by the same logic, the Minister of Transport cannot be judged for a plane crash or a catastrophe with Bulgaria.

        Everyone, including the TFR, is understandable, but proving something is difficult, because thieves are not fools either. For killers - Not bodyno business. In their case - Not signaturesno business.
        1. Arberes
          Arberes 6 November 2013 13: 07
          10
          Quote: bolonenkov
          and for the sins of subordinates it is impossible to judge the head of the department, at least by law, since he admits the fact that he was misled.

          Ah, tricking me is not difficult! I myself am glad to be deceived!
          The classics do not age!
          But with the Khodorkovsky and Lebedev system the system was not alien, but they also stole the big deal? Or did they support the wrong candidate?
          1. bolonenkov
            6 November 2013 14: 51
            -1
            Quote: Arberes
            Ah, tricking me is not difficult! I myself am glad to be deceived!

            The question is in the legal plane, and not in the plane of emotions and feelings. I also want Serdyukov to sit down, since he could not help but know, but this is again feelings and logic, not evidence.

            Quote: Arberes
            But with Khodorkovsky and Lebedev, the system didn’t miss out on

            Khodorkovsky was driving oil under the name "well fluid", and yes, you can remember how long the investigation went on, but in fact it ended this year, by the decision of the ECHR
        2. es.d
          es.d 7 November 2013 13: 56
          +2
          Quote: bolonenkov
          2) Vasiliev does not admit his guilt, so her guilt must be proved in all respects.
          For comparison, the bulk case lasted several years, the amount of damage 15 million, the size of the case 29 volumes.

          According to familiar "policemen", this is just a big problem. Specialists are worth their weight in gold. This is not a confession to knock out a drunkard.
      2. 31231
        31231 6 November 2013 20: 38
        +1
        It seems to me that it would be enough if the young people who were at the Russian March were not engaged in slogans, but in deeds. I would have “let” this Vasilyeva go around and filmed it on video. And they posted it on YouTube. That would be an example. It is not all the same for her to have a country, even if the country has it.
        1. atalef
          atalef 6 November 2013 20: 50
          -1
          Quote: 31231
          It seems to me that it would have been enough if the young people who were at the Russian March were not engaged in slogans, but would have let this Vasilyeva pass in a circle and filmed it on video. And they posted it on YouTube.

          like this? Maybe you'd better offer youth a job?
          1. 31231
            31231 6 November 2013 21: 23
            +4
            Well, what are you making such wooden jokes and hints?
            Do you have a clear hostility to my avatar? Again, Apollo will say that we are moving to the individual.
            You are arrogant Jews. It is more modest; tea is not in its place in Judea.
            1. atalef
              atalef 6 November 2013 21: 40
              +1
              Quote: 31231
              Well, what are you making such wooden jokes and hints?
              Do you have a clear hostility to my avatar? Again, Apollo will say that we are moving to the individual.
              You are arrogant Jews. It is more modest; tea is not in its place in Judea.

              I don’t even understand what you’re talking about, you just offered to post a rape video on the Internet, that’s what modern advanced youth should do, by the way, it’s written in Judea, you taught declination in school, I hope that the video You have nothing to do and all coincidences, direct or indirect, are random and do not reflect the essence of the post. hi
              1. 31231
                31231 6 November 2013 22: 31
                +2
                I don’t even understand what you mean, you just offered to post a video of rape on the Internet


                Ktozh lingered on the fact that you consider yourself the smartest and will try to cover up a wooden joke with seriousness. laughing Understand that you are by no means Zhvanetsky and not Anatoly Wasserman.
  • borisjdin1957
    borisjdin1957 6 November 2013 08: 25
    +3
    from the Don.
    And yet there are many levers that can be used in the development of the country. To limit the ceiling of bonus payments to the top of STATE enterprises: gold: parachutes, confiscation of property. All this lies on the surface. So everything is not so rosy in Baghdad!
  • Valery Neonov
    Valery Neonov 6 November 2013 08: 26
    +2
    hi hi The LITTEST LITTLE LITTLE .... FIGURES, facts ... and PEOPLE, a.
    If you need a miracle, you need to do it. Russia needs another slogan: “Be realistic, DO THE IMPOSSIBLE!”.
  • Averias
    Averias 6 November 2013 08: 28
    +2
    The article is a huge plus. Comments are redundant.
    1. Averias
      Averias 6 November 2013 09: 00
      0
      As far as I understand, "all-propals" are minus?
      1. little man
        little man 6 November 2013 14: 05
        +5
        Right Those who want to rid the country of thieves and make it a mighty power.
  • pensioner
    pensioner 6 November 2013 08: 34
    +6
    They ran and continue to run, and they run before they are captured, well, just like the Gurievs and Aleksashenka.
    Well, since you can't shoot such people in your homeland, you can consider the question of shooting them there ... It is indicative to shoot a couple of dozen - you look, the others will understand that the Earth is not so big, and there are not many comfortable places on it ... Of course, stealing is not will stop, but I hope the appetites will subside. And generally speaking. Our "partners" don't give out our thieves to us. Maybe we ask you not? And do we ask ??
    1. bolonenkov
      6 November 2013 13: 02
      +4
      With the death of several Russian oligarchs in London, not everything is clean, but it’s better to return, judge, and confiscate the illegally acquired income of the country
  • Galinanp
    Galinanp 6 November 2013 08: 43
    +2
    The article is sober and relevant. And a question on the topic of the so-called all-propals. Following the meaning of your requests "so that it was here right now", are you ready for the subsequent reality? After all, the revolutionary method is a radical change. And the radical change in the economic and state. system will undoubtedly lead to some, at least temporary deterioration in the welfare of the people. This is the price, the sacrifice for the undertaking. Besides, there will undoubtedly be a political and economic blockade from the West. So you are ready to "right now" sacrifice personal, to show sacrifice, are you ready to live on the grocery rationing system? The answer lies on the surface. In your current situation, from your at least somehow arranged little world, you hate Putin for "his robbery and the impoverishment of the people", and if the time comes when it will be necessary to sacrifice this arrangement, you will be ready to tear Putin to pieces, and then tear each other into queues for groceries.
    1. bolonenkov
      6 November 2013 13: 03
      0
      You could just cite Libya and Gaddafi as an example
  • Rattenfanger
    Rattenfanger 6 November 2013 09: 03
    +6
    I noticed one interesting feature: he knows best how to solve global issues, what to do with NATO, how to win the World Cup, how to raise Vasya’s janitor. In the course of a constructive dialogue, coupled with the destruction of alcohol-containing liquids, this very conditionally average inhabitant expresses constructive thoughts on the verge of genius. The fact that in fact he and his wife cannot steer is ten. What am I doing? The fact is that many comrades, I, and myself, it’s a sin to hide, like from time to time to give their own recipes for getting out of a given situation, while not knowing at all those introductory conditions and pitfalls under which the same Putin any situation needs to be reacted. It's good to be smart sitting in front of the TV, yeah. But the one of the respected members of the forum who faced the need to make decisions, dressed in authority / position and responsibility, knows very well how obvious in an uninitiated opinion a decision in fact would be erroneous.
    1. My address
      My address 6 November 2013 09: 49
      +3
      Artem! I do not agree with you.
      This is from the autocracy series - there is nothing to criticize the priest-king, he knows better. Then abolish the right to vote.
      And my older comrades taught me when deciding how to do better. Think over not only in space, but also in time that many do not. It often turns out that the momentary turns into losses. And only if you do not know, act as recommended in the documents. And in any management document it is recommended to first exorcise the ineptitude of the subordinate. This is me about the iPhone specialist.
      1. Rattenfanger
        Rattenfanger 6 November 2013 09: 51
        +8
        Criticism, as the best friend of Soviet athletes correctly noted, should be constructive and contain ways to resolve the issue.
        1. My address
          My address 6 November 2013 10: 38
          +4
          I agree with you. But it is necessary to remove the usual discontent of Uncle Vasya from criticism. The authorities like to hide behind discontent with grumbling. Like: "Here, I am dissatisfied, but does not offer anything. So, you can't drive us with a nasty broom!"

          And on the forum, the majority suggests starting with the dismissal of LADIES. And this is absolutely correct, I am telling you as a former production manager who was seriously taught control systems in Soviet times. Any business begins with the registration of the REGULATION ON ... (the Constitution, the provision on the Government, etc.), and then with the selection of personnel.
          1. Bigriver
            Bigriver 6 November 2013 15: 43
            0
            Quote: My address
            ... Any business begins with the formulation of REGULATIONS ON ... (Constitution, regulation on the Government, etc.), and then with the selection of personnel.

            The functioning of the economic entity and the state are very different things.
            In the first - all introductory rational and understandable. And the state and society are both rational and emotional, this is cosmos.
            On this subject, Prokhorov once said, two years ago laughing
            Type, the state should be effective and profitable. As an enterprise :)
      2. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 6 November 2013 11: 16
        -1
        Quote: My address
        And my senior comrades taught me when deciding to think over how to do better. To think over not only in space, but also in time,

        Well, right, only
        Quote: Rattenfanger
        many comrades, and I myself, which is a sin to hide, like from time to time to give their own recipes for getting out of a given situation, while not knowing completely those opening conditions and pitfalls,
        1. My address
          My address 6 November 2013 12: 14
          11
          Eugene!

          Forced to brag - not so long ago led hundreds in the main production. In his youth he started working. True, not for long. I was well taught by my elder comrades and I studied on different courses myself. It was well and it was studying, not serving a number. Me for 60. The leadership experience is greater than the total for the tandem. I have the right to condemn and propose.

          Yes, the first thing to drive Medvedev. This is even a hedgehog clear. How can you hold a person on this post, more than 90% of initiatives of which is at least stupid ?!
          And by what criterion Putin selects personnel? And this is half the success. Read Wikipedia on this topic, there are the beginnings of the selection system, and so it does not comply.
          And unfulfilled promises with 2000? Not so long ago on the site, at my request, I do not remember which of the marshals gave out the tables of unfulfilled, so I was stunned! I would burn with shame. In my opinion, you should at least apologize to the country.
          And the system of irresponsibility created by Putin for friends, that violation of even the biblical principle of retribution in cases? And it is necessary to answer the more, the higher the position. Responsibilities, rights, responsibility in decent organizations are directly proportional.
          1. Vladimirets
            Vladimirets 6 November 2013 13: 34
            +1
            Quote: My address
            Forced to boast - not so long ago, he led hundreds in the main production.

            Rented hi
            Quote: My address
            Yes, the first thing to drive Medvedev. This is even a hedgehog clear. How can you hold a person on this post, more than 90% of initiatives of which is at least stupid ?!

            This is obvious, but too simple to be correct. I get the feeling that he will fly off after some extremely unpopular among the people, but the necessary solution to the GDP, will make a scapegoat.
            Quote: My address
            And unfulfilled promises since 2000?

            I remember EBN and it gets a little easier. wink
            Quote: My address
            Obligations, rights, responsibilities in decent organizations are directly proportional.

            This is ideal, but often an obligation and responsibility by one, and rights by another.
            Alexander, hi
            1. My address
              My address 6 November 2013 15: 14
              +3
              Even before this spring, I myself had hoped that Putin would have a second wind in relation to matters for the country. Can you imagine what it was like for him to step aside and look at the tad of DAM for four years? But ... And it's sad that Putin is president first for friends, as I was rightly corrected in this forum (I wrote that he was a citizen of the Kremlin first, for us later).
              I believe that you are right and the GDP keeps DAM as a whipping boy and as a weak competitor. And this is not good. For example, I liked working with strong bosses and strong subordinates. It's hard, but interesting and a lot of sense from this. I saw how a decent director chose not the strongest chief engineers for himself, as a result the production shrank. But no one is a competitor.

              All the best, first of all health to you and your loved ones.
              hi
              1. Vladimirets
                Vladimirets 6 November 2013 20: 55
                +2
                Quote: My address
                All the best, first of all health to you and your loved ones.

                Thank you for that, which I also wish you.
    2. artifox
      artifox 6 November 2013 12: 57
      +5
      how sad that all the best economists and politicians are already working as cashiers, hairdressers and janitors
  • nemec55
    nemec55 6 November 2013 09: 28
    +6
    Yes, no one wants the executions, guys, we want a court landing and confiscation of property, that's all.
  • My address
    My address 6 November 2013 09: 31
    +7
    Let's look at Reagan. The actor was the president of the states. But in the army he was commanded by military specialists, in science, by scientists, economists, class economists, production workers, doctors, etc.

    And who is the main specialist at Putin? Theoretical lawyer Medvedev. What is he famous for? The failures that in the distribution of the territories of the country, that in the thieving Skolkovo. And what, Putin does not see that this out of ten initiatives, nine stupid or dangerous? Yes, even to change Sechin, this is not stupid, young vypendryuchist. And does not change, it means he does not need.

    In my workshop, starting with the slinger, they thought how and what to do in order not to make things worse. For the thirtieth time I will repeat - it is impossible to put the leader of a person who did not begin with the leadership / command of the brigade / platoon. This is not I came up with, this is the basics of management.

    And the statement of the author, that the executions / severity does not affect? What kind of news from the liberas? Does the author know that one of the management criteria is an adequate impact on the result? Saved hundreds - get a Hero. He deliberately brought harm to hundreds of millions - stand up against the wall with confiscation.

    Just do not need the need for another three terms of GDP to restore order! This is not even funny.

    For all points of the article, it is a weak support for GDP.
    1. pensioner
      pensioner 6 November 2013 10: 34
      +4
      Good afternoon, Sasha!
      Quote: My address
      Saved hundreds - get a Hero. Deliberately brought harm to hundreds of millions - get up to the wall with confiscation.
      - yes hi the only thing I don’t really agree with is this:
      Quote: My address
      Deliberately harm hundreds of millions
      You can set the level lower, lower ...
      1. My address
        My address 6 November 2013 10: 58
        +4
        Hello, Jura!
        The punishment system provides for: revenge / restoration of justice; damages; the prevention of the offender; visual aid for possible criminals. In my opinion, something else, not a lawyer, I do not remember.
        Sorry for anyone. But with the present power Chubais will and will appear. And if you plant Red, only a couple will appear in the potential. But in the shooting with confiscation willing will not. In the Soviet Union, they fired for less than they had done even by many who were not dismissed. I do not speak about gangsters, tyrants and similar.
        Trash has become more, and the Criminal Code is more liberal! Nonsense!
        1. pensioner
          pensioner 6 November 2013 11: 58
          +3
          Quote: My address
          Trash has become more, and the Criminal Code is more liberal! Nonsense!

          Well so it is not surprising ... Rubbish also corrected it ... Under myself ...
  • rexby63
    rexby63 6 November 2013 09: 55
    +1
    I agree in many ways. But I would like to add to the slogan "quarter Vasiliev" - "and cut off the hands of most bloggers." In my opinion, the harm is comparable, if not commensurate
  • Tatanka Yotanka
    Tatanka Yotanka 6 November 2013 10: 58
    +4
    half an article about China - I don't give a damn about it from the big bell tower, and in the numbers about the reserve, it's a rainbow picture, just I don't understand why our tariffs are growing, and now give 2 times more for a child to kindergarten, from the name "EVERYTHING is gone" like that the author paid little to ALL the problems, let him explain to the ignorant about the second privatization, and the liberal economy of Putin, or maybe we have some kind of reform succeeded? police, for example, or the army, from the category of 20 frigates by the year 20, well, well, read the specialists from the defense industry, there is little joyful, of all the problems, the author operates with data that cannot be touched and seen, and deftly puts Vasiliev in the article, only I think that this Vasilyeva weather vane directions of Putin's domestic policy
    and I don’t hear the word “justice” in his programs and speeches, at least in relation to his people and his entourage
    1. Avenger711
      Avenger711 6 November 2013 14: 41
      0
      And the second privatization is not going on practically.
  • polly
    polly 6 November 2013 10: 58
    +1
    Thanks to the author, correct article. Thank you for your patience in chewing the obvious for some dumb. But actually, they are probably not in the nature of this site at all. There are completely different categories of blasphemers who just want to say: don’t try in vain - Putin’s scepter is too heavy for you ...
  • ed65b
    ed65b 6 November 2013 10: 59
    +3
    Yes, before the oligarchs were entirely Jews, now Putin has diluted them with Dagestanis, Chechens, Azerbaijanis. everything is stable.
    1. My address
      My address 6 November 2013 15: 35
      +1
      Edward!
      It’s very interesting where the miners disagree with you. About faith in Putin, minus must re-freeze the well-known expression and say: "I believe. So what is that absurd."
  • viktorrymar
    viktorrymar 6 November 2013 11: 28
    +3
    Well done!!!!! Great article !!!!! You need not whine, you need to work for the good of yourself, and therefore the country !!!

    Do not betray your Homeland due to temporary difficulties, you do not change your Mother for another if she is ailment, lame or not beautiful !?
  • bolonenkov
    6 November 2013 12: 14
    +2
    Especially the destruction can be traced on all the main graphs of the country's development in the period 1993 - 2012, where they all form the letter V with the lowest point in 1998-9.

    And what
    NEW kindergartens open and old ones expand and repair at 20-25 per week
    Part 1 http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/27495/
    Part 2 http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/27516/
    Part 3 http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/27530/
    Part 4 http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/27596/
    According to official figures, during the past (2012) academic year, 549 NEW educational institutions were commissioned, of which 431 were preschool educational institutions. + put into operation after a downtime, or overhaul gardens, where it becomes possible to increase the number of groups.
    For example, in the South Urals, children go to kindergarten when they reach 3 years
    http://www.chel.aif.ru/edu/edu_details/943903
    And in Perm from January 1, 2009, monthly allowances are paid to parents whose children between the ages of 1,5 and 5 do not attend kindergartens.
    - families with children aged 1,5 to 3 years - 5300 rubles.
    - families with children aged 3 to 5 years - 4500 rubles.
    http://www.gorodperm.ru/social/education/edu-ds/pospbie_ds/

    The demographic situation is improving, surprisingly to all the pseudo-scammers about the extinction of the nation.
    The population was declining from 1993 to 2010 (-6,5 million), and in 2010 the trend was broken, and the population increased by 1,4 million. In addition, the birth rate is growing and mortality is falling, in 2012 the natural population decline stopped for the first time since 1993, and from the beginning 2013 in many regions there is a natural increase
    And not migrants or exclusively Caucasians give birth.
    The maximum population growth is recorded in Tatarstan, the Khabarovsk Territory, Samara, Ulyanovsk and Novosibirsk Regions, and St. Petersburg.
    http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/42769/
    And in Moscow, the most popular names of boys in 2012 are Artyom, Alexander, Maxim, Ivan and Mikhail. Girls - Sophia, Maria, Anastasia, Daria and Anna. Moreover, the list of the 50 most popular names of boys of non-Russian names is not at all. The first non-Russian name in the ranking of girls - Amina - is in 38th place.
    http://zags.mos.ru/stat/imena/imena_malchikov.php
    http://zags.mos.ru/stat/imena/imena_devochek.php

    New plants are being built, production is being modernized
    and only in October, 9 enterprises were opened in Russia worth more than 1 billion rubles and another dozen 300 million each.
    http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/43000/

    and Sukhoi has already released 33 serial Superjet, contrary to the cries of all-companions that he will not fly, no one will buy, or that this is a stillborn plane
    http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/43066/
    Total for the project at the moment:
    They spent $ 1,8 billion on development (of which 0,45 are less than the budget of all competitors), they have already sold 1 billion, and 3,4 billion plus an option on solid contracts.
    http://expert.ru/expert/2013/40/vozdushnoe-ralli/
    Calculate the timing of the transition to work in plus yourself, just like sales taxes. It will already pay off for the state when the first 50-60 boards are handed over, there are already nearly 200 boards for solid orders, and this is for the Sukhoi (!!!) newcomer to the inter-market of passenger aircraft.

    Well, there’s still a lot of things that you could only dream of in the 90s.

    It would seem that here all the patreots need to make a standing ovation, to support the rumble “Russia-Russia-Russia!” From the virtual stands of the Internet. drowned out the evil whispers of the fifth column, which still requires all projects to be buried, and the head of state to be scrapped, and it’s better to put on a stake with his daughters right on Red Square, and give the Arctic and everything that is behind the Ural Range to more reasonable management. But no! The good news is to sneeze. Let Poghosyan himself understand, because "Vasiliev has not yet been imprisoned !!!
    Thanks to the author for the awesome cliche)))
  • Volkhov
    Volkhov 6 November 2013 12: 26
    0
    Only the fleet and brains disappeared, the rest is in place, but work is ongoing ...
    1. bolonenkov
      6 November 2013 15: 09
      +1
      Quote: Volkhov
      Only the fleet disappeared

      in 2012, 21 warships were laid, which is more than in the previous 3 years! And this is without taking into account the re-loaded submarine of project 09852, integrated port service vessels, tugboats and boats.

      Quote: Volkhov
      and brains

      The creation of PAK FA certainly speaks of the death of Russian science, just like Borea.

      There are many problems, but positive dynamics are evident.
      1. Volkhov
        Volkhov 6 November 2013 19: 29
        +2
        Quote: bolonenkov
        in 2012, 21 warships were laid, which is more than in the previous 3 years! And this is without taking into account the re-loaded submarine of project 09852, integrated port service vessels, tugboats and boats.

        Created in 2013, the Virtual Fleet is noticeably more solid.
        To assess the dynamics you need the whole balance - profit and loss, and people are alive.
  • Santa Fe
    Santa Fe 6 November 2013 12: 32
    -1
    It turns out that GDP was very lucky - the price of oil increased up to 10 times, compared with the level of the 1990s
    1. Luna
      Luna 6 November 2013 12: 36
      +1
      we hear the tune more and more often - Putin was just lucky that oil prices rose. Given that the poorly versed reader is constantly being introduced, so I would like to mislead a small educational program on this issue.

      http://www.politonline.ru/ventilyator/10519.html

      As for Vershinin, the air of Spain has a bad effect on him, he is pumping up a depressant against Russia. So why would this be? smile
      1. Santa Fe
        Santa Fe 6 November 2013 12: 52
        +1
        Quote: Luna
        we hear tales more often - Putin is just lucky that oil prices have risen

        Of course, an increase in the price from $ 10 to $ 100 per barrel had no effect.
        Enough to argue with the obvious!

        And what the small (only two-carat) decrease in oil prices in 2009 led to - we also know very well
        1. bolonenkov
          6 November 2013 15: 13
          +2
          Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
          Enough to argue with the obvious!

          The fact is obvious that the price of oil in niher gold has not changed, and a 10-fold increase is more than compensated by the depreciation of the dollar.

          Above you are asked to calculate the entire GDP of the Russian Federation 1999 and 2012 not in rubles and dollars, but immediately in barrels
          1. Santa Fe
            Santa Fe 6 November 2013 16: 07
            +2
            Quote: bolonenkov
            the price of oil in niher gold has not changed, and a 10-fold increase is more than compensated by the depreciation of the dollar

            Give specific examples of "depreciation" of the dollar 10 times over the past 10 years

            Suppose you have $ 10 - you can dine on them in any of the European, Asian countries, in the USA or in Russia - what now, what 10 years ago

            Conclusion: you are brazenly lying, trying to justify yourself with the alleged "depreciation" of the dollar 10 times in 10 years
            1. 31231
              31231 6 November 2013 20: 52
              +2
              I think you have no problems with mathmatics ?! And you can divide the GDP of the 99th by the price of a barrel and the GDP of 2012 by the price of a barrel. Well, when did the country produce more "barrels"? Or should I make the calculations for you?
            2. 31231
              31231 6 November 2013 21: 00
              +2
              I will do it for you.
              1999 year - GDP = 195 billion / 19 bucks = 10,26 billion barrels
              2012 year - GDP = 2 015 trillion / 110 bucks = 18,31 billion barrels

              Any questions?
              1. soldier's grandson
                soldier's grandson 6 November 2013 21: 02
                +1
                and who got better from these barrels?
                1. 31231
                  31231 6 November 2013 21: 28
                  +1
                  Granddaughters, my parents in the early 90s did not receive a tiny salary of six months or more. Still have questions?
                  Well, strain your head, find the Yukos taxes for 97-99 and compare them with the taxes of Rosneft in 11-12. You look that in the head and appears.
                  Ah, yes, do not forget to translate into barrels.
                  1. soldier's grandson
                    soldier's grandson 6 November 2013 22: 20
                    -2
                    Well, now, too, salaries for prices are not being stolen, fuel and lubricants is growing, and about Yukos, I know that at that time the salaries were higher and the supply was better not like that in rotten Rosneft
                  2. Yarosvet
                    Yarosvet 6 November 2013 22: 22
                    0
                    Quote: 31231
                    Granddaughters, my parents in the early 90s did not receive a tiny salary of six months or more.

                    And in the middle of the 99th? laughing
                    1. 31231
                      31231 6 November 2013 23: 06
                      +1
                      They retired in the 96th. Personally, at 99 I was pleased with 12-15 rubles. He was young and not arrogant.
              2. atalef
                atalef 6 November 2013 21: 09
                0
                Quote: 31231
                I will do it for you.
                1999 year - GDP = 195 billion / 19 bucks = 10,26 billion barrels
                2012 year - GDP = 2 015 trillion / 110 bucks = 18,31 billion barrels
                There is, when the oil price drops to 30 bucks per barrel (as in 2008) what will be the GDP, with the same amount of oil produced?

                Any questions?

                There is how GDP will change when oil prices fall to 30Baksov per barrel (as in 2008) (without reducing the level of production)
                1. 31231
                  31231 6 November 2013 22: 44
                  +2
                  If your grandmother had one, then you would be a gay person.
                  And who told you that in 2008 oil was 30 bucks a barrel? If a rabbi, then this is certainly sacred. For you and some "smart guys" diagram





                  2008 GDP = 1,661 trillion. / 90 dollars. per barrel = 18,45 billion barrels.

                  You, if that does not hesitate, ask questions. And it seems you are only taught in Israel to fight.
                  1. atalef
                    atalef 6 November 2013 22: 58
                    +1
                    Quote: 31231
                    2008 GDP = 1,661 trillion / 90 dollars per barrel = 18,45 billion barrels. For you and some "smart guys" diagram

                    Well, of course, not all artiodactyls understand (this stone is not in your garden --- the donkey is not artiodactyls) that the crisis was in December 2008 and
                    The contract price for February at WTI on Tuesday fell by 0,99 dollars - to 39,03 dollars per barrel. The February futures quotation for Russian Rebco oil in the CME Globex (NYMEX) electronic system 30 December fell by 0,35 dollars and reached 36,72 dollars per barrel.

                    recount again, and tell me what level of deficit will be in the budget with modern expenses (budget)
                    In this case, pay attention, everything seems to be ok oil is swinging in full (although of course it will be less - if there is a crisis), but where is the money?
                    Quote: 31231
                    You, if that does not hesitate, ask questions. And it seems you are only taught in Israel to fight.

                    Do not be shy, answer. so with anything, but with mathematics we have the same thing as it’s not bad laughing
                  2. soldier's grandson
                    soldier's grandson 7 November 2013 08: 14
                    +3
                    stick your diagrams deeper into yourself, the well-being of the people is not measured by digrams
              3. Yarosvet
                Yarosvet 6 November 2013 22: 21
                -1
                Quote: 31231
                Any questions?

                Yes - did you take into account the 1.73 times growth in production / consumption?
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                2. 31231
                  31231 6 November 2013 23: 20
                  +2
                  Counterquestion. Can you tell me what made Russia in 95-00 fall in production to the lowest levels in history? Again someone from the outside? Or maybe there was simply collapse (decline) and sharing in the oil industry? And others took our volumes?

                  In general, you can kick as much here as you like on the conjuncture of those years. I went to bed. And the advice "No matter how much the dancer blames the eggs, he will not dance better."
                  1. atalef
                    atalef 7 November 2013 06: 58
                    0
                    Counterquestion

                    weird. You seem like a Jew, that would answer a question with a question, you asked, Are there any questions?, I asked, and you asked me a question, it’s not beautiful negative
                  2. Yarosvet
                    Yarosvet 7 November 2013 11: 36
                    +1
                    Quote: 31231
                    Counterquestion. Can you tell me what made Russia in 95-00 fall in production to the lowest levels in history?
                    I will prompt - just there was a collapse (decline) and sharing in the oil industry (and here it is - And others took our volumes - only partially true)

                    And now I’m asking - what bolt, having opened the topic of counting in barrels, are you trying to jump off it and move out to the market?
      2. ed65b
        ed65b 6 November 2013 14: 07
        +1
        Quote: Luna
        As for Vershinin, the air of Spain has a bad effect on him, he is pumping up a depressant against Russia. So why would this be?

        so gobble up the windows in the evening, morning and net laughing
    2. bolonenkov
      6 November 2013 15: 11
      0
      You can calculate the entire GDP of the Russian Federation not in dollars, not in rubles, but immediately in barrels, and then compare with production in the corresponding period
    3. 31231
      31231 6 November 2013 20: 48
      +1
      There above is a form of how to estimate GDP growth. The banal slogan "Earlier, oil cost a penny" is not enough. Moreover, what prevented EBN and the oligarchs in the 90s from reducing sales and increasing prices? Or were there no economists in that country?
  • runway
    runway 6 November 2013 12: 46
    +6
    What time! - The people we have is bad .... Somewhere I already heard it. The author again tries to prove that the fish rots from the tail .... And the singers are right there - and they are paying social benefits in vain, the parasites are full, unworkable .... Shouts are already heard that the elderly and the disabled are the ballast for the country .... You yourself don’t feel what you've come to?
    Now, about the calculation of some kind of gold reserve .... Have you seen it? After all, it is stored in foreign banks, in the assets of YOUR FOREIGN COMPANIES. Do you really think this is YOUR money? This is their money. They dispose of them. They want, write off multibillion-dollar debts to debtors, but they want, they will give it to their friends - the oligarchs, sort of like at a symbolic percentage.
    And about the fact that people began to live better, this is more likely not thanks, but in spite of. Power is rowing for itself, but are we worse than them, or what?
    1. Russ69
      Russ69 6 November 2013 13: 49
      -3
      Quote: piston
      Now, about the calculation of some kind of gold reserve .... Have you seen it?

      Gold state reserve, is stored in state security and no where else. as well as silver, platinum and diamonds.
  • little man
    little man 6 November 2013 13: 15
    +3
    If you were told in 2000 about the current state of the Russian economy, army, foreign policy situation, etc., if you are not, then you (IMHO) would say that: a) this is extremely unlikely, b) if it really works out , then the leader of the country deserves a monument in life.
    Kissed, so kissed ....
    On the contrary, one must be a fool to assume that a country has taken some step forward.
    Article is a dummy, continuous lyrics, without a single figure.
    And you can write like this - missiles do not fly, ships and planes are decommissioned, there are no new ones. And it will be more truthful.
    1. Russ69
      Russ69 6 November 2013 13: 51
      -1
      Quote: man
      And you can write like this - missiles do not fly, ships and planes are decommissioned, there are no new ones. And it will be more truthful.

      What's new, no planes? Ships are not being built? "Bulava" doesn't fly? So many missiles did not fly in the beginning, and then they became advanced models.
    2. bolonenkov
      6 November 2013 15: 21
      0
      Quote: man
      And you can write like this - rockets do not fly.

      From the beginning of the operation of Protons to this day, there has not been a single year, except two, so that the accident does not happen. And now the Russian Federation is the only country that sends people into space.


      Quote: man
      ships and planes are decommissioned, there are no new ones

      Sukhoi launches the 33rd Superjet - for those in the tank
      And the abbreviations Su-30MKI, Su-35, Yak-130 do not tell you anything?
      How many have been delivered in the last 3 years? How much over the previous 15 years?
      1. pensioner
        pensioner 6 November 2013 20: 19
        0
        I look, Pavel, you fell a victim to polymers ... Nothing ... Let's see what polymers will sing next year ...
      2. little man
        little man 7 November 2013 01: 14
        +2
        Immediately on the site in the aviation section take a look, and most importantly read the comments of the flyers.
        Well, about the fleet, I think it is unnecessary to write something, it's stupidly scary.
  • Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 6 November 2013 13: 37
    +5
    Like a line:
  • aviamed90
    aviamed90 6 November 2013 13: 55
    +9
    As I understand it, according to the author of the article, visitors to sites such as this are divided into:
    1. "Vsepalschiki" - pessimists or opponents of Putin.
    2. "Vsekhoroshists" - optimists or supporters of Putin.

    But where is the other category - realists?
    Or according to the author, in assessing the state of the country and the work of the government, there can be no half-tones?

    In addition, I have a suspicion that the so-called "all-panders" are in fact realists.
    But, indeed, in our current situation there is so little positive that any realist can be safely written down as pessimists.

    And the merits that supposedly has power over the people (the prevention of civil war, etc.) are quite controversial. And they need to be reinforced realbut not sucked facts. But these facts need to be thoroughly analyzed and verified. And what the author cites as an analysis cannot be called. This is his personal opinion and vision of facts.

    Then everything will fall into place. As the saying goes - the snow will come down and be seen ...
    Including the terminology of the author.
    1. bolonenkov
      6 November 2013 15: 32
      -2
      Quote: aviamed90
      But really, in our current situation there is so little positive

      Quote: aviamed90
      And the merits that supposedly has power over the people (the prevention of civil war, etc.) are quite controversial. And they need to be backed up with real facts, not facts sucked from the finger. And these facts need to be thoroughly analyzed and verified.


      Give facts by template

      in 1999 there was so much, and in 2012 it became less. There is a regression.

      Ato people like to shout at us that over the past ten years the population has decreased by 3,5 million, although it has been growing very well since 2010 and it is very good, over three years by 1,5 million.

      In addition, the birth rate is increasing and mortality is falling, in 2012, for the first time since 1993, the natural population decline has stopped, and since the beginning of 2013, natural growth has been observed in many regions
      And not migrants or exclusively Caucasians give birth.
      The maximum population growth is recorded in Tatarstan, the Khabarovsk Territory, Samara, Ulyanovsk and Novosibirsk Regions, and St. Petersburg.
      http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/42769/
      And in Moscow, the most popular names of boys in 2012 are Artyom, Alexander, Maxim, Ivan and Mikhail. Girls - Sophia, Maria, Anastasia, Daria and Anna. Moreover, the list of the 50 most popular names of boys of non-Russian names is not at all. The first non-Russian name in the ranking of girls - Amina - is in 38th place.
      http://zags.mos.ru/stat/imena/imena_malchikov.php
      http://zags.mos.ru/stat/imena/imena_devochek.php


      Or compare what was not with what needs to be done
      Under Putin, in Russia there is a shortage of kindergartens, so it seems that under Yeltsin, too, they closed a bunch, and besides, there were still lines ....
      But the situation is improving, new ones are being built, old ones are being repaired, and those that were put under offices are being put back into operation. 20-25 per week
      Part 1 http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/27495/
      Part 2 http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/27516/
      Part 3 http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/27530/
      Part 4 http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/27596/
      According to official figures, during the past (2012) academic year, 549 NEW educational institutions were commissioned, of which 431 were preschool educational institutions. + put into operation after a downtime, or overhaul gardens, where it becomes possible to increase the number of groups.
      For example, in the South Urals, children go to kindergarten when they reach 3 years
      http://www.chel.aif.ru/edu/edu_details/943903
      And in Perm from January 1, 2009, monthly allowances are paid to parents whose children between the ages of 1,5 and 5 do not attend kindergartens.
      - families with children aged 1,5 to 3 years - 5300 rubles.
      - families with children aged 3 to 5 years - 4500 rubles.
      http://www.gorodperm.ru/social/education/edu-ds/pospbie_ds/
      1. aviamed90
        aviamed90 6 November 2013 17: 22
        +3
        bolonenkov

        I’m not going to argue with you and I will remain in my opinion. Time for this useless lesson is a pity.

        You apparently misunderstood.
        I wrote: "And these facts need to be thoroughly analyzed and verified."
        Is not it?

        Who checked and analyzed them? MASS MEDIA? Or government structures themselves?

        You refer to sources from the authorities or close to them. Who will guarantee that they can be trusted?
        Are you sure they are reliable?
        What kind of official will write on the website of the department (ministry) that the situation in the city (region, country) is catastrophic? He won't sit in his chair for 5 minutes. It is for this that they are kept (and paid handsomely) - so that he supports the regime, and not vice versa. The principle of personal loyalty of subordinates to their superiors. Incidentally, this is one of the achievements of "Putin's" Russia.

        So I'm not sure that the "achievements" described by you are taking place!
        And the reason is simple - all that I see in my city (by analogy to the whole country). Yes, and in many other cities, too (since I travel quite a lot).

        And something I do not see those kindergartens about which you write with such pride.
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  • ed65b
    ed65b 6 November 2013 14: 26
    +6
    No need to make an idol out of Putin. There is no doubt that he has achievements, there are deep failures, and there are questions to which he does not answer. Doesn't want it or not. And the "all-propals" and "all-good" are we, those who see not only good but also bad and at any given moment express an opinion on a specific issue. I don’t want to sing Ossana to Putin and I won’t let him work and every day proves to the people of Russia that I deserve to be its president. And he does not exalt his surroundings with one hand distributing favors and preferences, with the other firmly holding the rest of the people by the throat.
  • major071
    major071 6 November 2013 14: 32
    10
    aviamed90 Today, 13: 55
    As I understand it, according to the author of the article, visitors to sites such as this are divided into:
    1. "Vsepalschiki" - pessimists or opponents of Putin.
    2. "Vsekhoroshists" - optimists or supporters of Putin.
    But where is the other category - realists?

    But realists are silent and are studying the Kalashnikov assault rifle.
    1. aviamed90
      aviamed90 6 November 2013 14: 41
      +5
      major071

      You are not far from the truth.

      Someone is studying AK.

      Someone is trying to move their brains and draw conclusions (because AK has long been studied).

      And someone, although a realist, is simply trying to survive with a salary of 10 thousand rubles. and he cares about both the government and Putin with his parties.
    2. pensioner
      pensioner 6 November 2013 20: 23
      +2
      Quote: major071
      But realists are silent and are studying the Kalashnikov assault rifle.

      And if I have known him for 35 years already and I know him well, then what should I do? what Got it! KPVT forgot. Freshen up!
  • pensioner
    pensioner 6 November 2013 14: 35
    +4
    Quote: bolonenkov
    New factories are being built

    A new machine-building plant for the production of modern anti-aircraft missile systems (air defense systems) and radar systems for the aerospace defense forces in Nizhny Novgorod will be commissioned in 2015, ITAR-TASS reported, citing the Director General of the Nizhny Novgorod Machine-Building Plant and its branch Antey-Almaz air defense concern Vasily Shupranov.

    The construction of the plant began in 2011, now four main production buildings are being built on an area of ​​60 hectares. After the completion of construction, supply and installation of equipment in 2014-2015 It is planned to start debugging the technological process and the production of a pilot batch of products. The company will create more than 3000 new high-tech jobs.

    Oh, a little old! And then I would have thrown everything there too !! I envy the guys.
    1. pensioner
      pensioner 6 November 2013 18: 52
      +3
      Those who once saw a rocket in the early stages of its readiness, who “felt” it with their hands, who blew cold sweat, when after it a selective rechecking of details was carried out - he will understand me ... And those who minus are blessed people! They are responsible for their penis at most, and even then not always ...
      1. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker 6 November 2013 19: 07
        +6
        Quote: retired
        They are responsible for their dick maximum and that is not always ...

        They think to them laughing
        1. pensioner
          pensioner 6 November 2013 19: 15
          +4
          Quote: stalkerwalker
          They think to them

          Well, if only they did not stir the tea ... And then the mind (or whatever they have) is enough ...
          1. stalkerwalker
            stalkerwalker 6 November 2013 19: 17
            +7
            Quote: retired
            Well, if only they did not stir the tea ..

            Well, if for yourself and your ... laughing
            1. pensioner
              pensioner 6 November 2013 19: 34
              +3
              Quote: stalkerwalker
              Well, if for yourself

              Well tady let it go. This fragrance is not for the amateur ... And the rest is not a pity. Again, save on the Darwin Prize repeat
  • aviamed90
    aviamed90 6 November 2013 14: 48
    +3
    senior citizen

    Do not envy! Well, where we do not!
    Love for the Motherland is a commendable feeling, but sometimes you want to eat.
    Here is a good example:

    "According to the results of 4 months of 2013, the average salary in NPO Izhmash increased by 14% compared to 2012 and amounted to 18 614 rubles per month, including the average salary of workers amounted to 15 129 rubles. the plant reported on Friday.

    The Deputy Director for Personnel Galina Fedorchenko also noted that since April 1 of 2013 of the year a new Regulation on Bonuses has been enacted. It allows workers, with the high-quality fulfillment of planned tasks, to receive 100% bonus to piecework earnings.


    As a result, the salary of the main workers in April 2013 increased by 19% compared to the 1 quarter of the 2013 year and amounted to 17 251 rubles.

    In general, according to the results of April 2013, the company’s salary increased by 12,9% compared to the 1 quarter of the 2013 year and amounted to 20 362 rubles.

    At the moment, work is underway to increase the hourly wage rate, which will allow attracting new personnel and ultimately ensuring the implementation of production plans, the press service of the enterprise reports.

    (site "My Udmurtia (www.myudm.ru), article" Salaries at Izhmash since the beginning of 2013 "for May 17, 2013).
    1. pensioner
      pensioner 6 November 2013 17: 37
      +1
      Quote: aviamed90
      Do not envy! Well, where we do not!

      By the evening I was already inadequate. But nevertheless ... If what you wrote is irony, then for my part I want to note that I have worked in Almaz-Antey since its foundation. Moreover, I found the times of the Ministry of Aviation Industry. And you won’t believe it, it brought benefits. Not so much myself, but as a member of the team ... But nonetheless ... And in modern days, with modern equipment and an instrument park, and with my experience ... Hmm ... Dreams, dreams. ..That's what all1 me. Well, where we do not!-not about those who consider themselves to be pros ....
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      2. aviamed90
        aviamed90 6 November 2013 18: 09
        +1
        senior citizen

        What an irony! ...

        I gave you an example. And how to relate to it, decide for yourself. It all depends on your political preferences.
        Someone will evaluate this information negatively - pessimists and realists (opponents of the regime), and someone on the contrary - optimists (supporters of the regime).

        Have you heard about the parable about a half-empty (half-full) glass?

        And for such a salary would you get a job as a professional worker at this plant (and there are such people - not everyone drinks bitter)?
        1. pensioner
          pensioner 6 November 2013 18: 45
          0
          Quote: aviamed90
          And for such a salary, you would get a job as a professional worker at this plant

          Why are you SO working for me !! I respect working professions! According to the specifics of the work, he possessed 3 categories of a grinder, a milling machine operator, a sharpener, a turner, a drill driver and someone else ... But there was something: a physical engineer!
  • Aleksys2
    Aleksys2 6 November 2013 15: 06
    +1
    In January 2013, the growth in retail trade (+ 3,5%) and construction (+ 1,4%) continued. Although the retail growth rate in Russia was the lowest over the last 35 months, it was significantly higher than in the USA (+ 0,1%), Brazil (-0,5%) and the declining EU countries. As a result, the total GDP growth of Russia for January 2013 of the year amounted to (+ 1,6%) compared to (+ 5,1%) for January 2012. The main drivers of GDP growth in January 2013 (+ 1,6%) were the services sector (+ 5,3%) and investment in fixed assets (+ 1,1%).
    One of the significant problems of modern Russian society is the large difference in the incomes of citizens. The table shows the ratio of income 10% of the richest citizens of Russia to income 10% of the poorest (decile ratio):
  • 31231
    31231 6 November 2013 15: 37
    0
    It is written with such a good sound malice and banter. And the numbers are not successfully overdone.
  • DimYang
    DimYang 6 November 2013 15: 58
    +2
    It is not necessary to get rid of the international system quickly and beautifully, but think it over slowly and well.
    You can’t say more precisely.
  • Don
    Don 6 November 2013 16: 36
    -1
    Thanks to the author and thank you very much. Realistically and competently painted everything.
  • Don
    Don 6 November 2013 16: 36
    +1
    Thanks to the author and thank you very much. Realistically and competently painted everything.
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 6 November 2013 18: 29
    +3
    Quote: vladimirZ
    People had confidence in the future under the Soviet regime, disappeared under Jude Gorbachev and the drunkard of the US puppet Yeltsin and did not appear under Putin, no matter how much they praised him.
    So, you don’t have to measure time from the period of traitors and adventurers Gorbachev and Yeltsin, in Russia there were happier times.

    The Russian people, under any government, did not trust her (completely) a stock of matches of salt, etc., a buried unregistered gun) at the present time, a Kalash is better than a machine gun .. not to keep money in a bank not to trust reforms (like pension reforms, etc.) and most importantly do not listen to the calls of all sorts of home-grown bawlers and rogues .. This is genetically already postponed by the majority in the province in the main. Such liberals usually call "cattle" .. But it is these who turn back the ridges in which case everyone who dares to poke around in their souls teaching life Well, with external enemies there is a short conversation with a pitchfork .. These are the thoughts from the soul ..)))
    1. pensioner
      pensioner 6 November 2013 22: 01
      0
      Quote: MIKHAN
      But it’s precisely these that fold, in which case the ridges are

      And we can still tie the trunks with a knot repeat ... Good night Meehan!
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  • Yarosvet
    Yarosvet 6 November 2013 18: 56
    +3
    Gentlemen Zaputinians - find at least one constant large-scale correspondence of the actions of the other Authorities to the one given below, and tell me how to correctly name the gentleman who regularly and fully consciously violates the Basic Law of the Russian Federation?
    1. 31231
      31231 6 November 2013 21: 04
      +2
      Notice, you have never called you a liberalist.
      Maybe it's in education?
      1. Yarosvet
        Yarosvet 6 November 2013 22: 27
        0
        Quote: 31231
        Notice, you have never called you a liberalist.
        Maybe it's in education?

        There is no reason - you fall into this category much more, and with the prefix "neo".

        So how about the question asked above - are there any answers?
    2. MIKHAN
      MIKHAN 6 November 2013 21: 12
      0
      There is nothing to be seen "master". laughing What are you picking your finger there ..?)))
      1. Yarosvet
        Yarosvet 6 November 2013 22: 28
        0
        Did you try to click on the screen? - you can not answer, and so it is clear.
  • Armata
    Armata 6 November 2013 19: 12
    +4
    Author. And what did you do for the homeland to write such pathos articles?
  • soldier's grandson
    soldier's grandson 6 November 2013 20: 08
    +1
    Quote: Russ69
    Quote: piston
    Now, about the calculation of some kind of gold reserve .... Have you seen it?

    Gold state reserve, is stored in state security and no where else. as well as silver, platinum and diamonds.

    Our Russian gold belongs to foreign banks, and not to us. I can’t say about platinum and diamonds
  • DZ_98_B
    DZ_98_B 6 November 2013 20: 10
    +5
    I do not steal, I do not rob, I do not kill, I do not commit crimes. I work honestly, pay taxes. I help acquaintances, and sometimes even strangers. I educate two sons. He served in the army, like all normal people. MY MOTHERLAND is not ashamed of me! But I can not stand Putin. And I do not understand what he did for the homeland? Whatever he does, he does it only for himself. Putin lifted Russia from its knees? And who put it? Isn't he with his patrons? Putin lifted Russia from its knees? To put the Russians in a pose ... well, one arthropod.