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Rocket blitz until delayed

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In the foreseeable future, the United States cannot destroy the Russian strategic nuclear forces at lightning speed.


The concept of Prompt Global Strike (PGS), developed by the US Department of Defense, is a serious concern of the Russian military and political leadership. According to the concept of mines and mobile ground complexes of some states are subject to destruction by non-nuclear hypersonic missiles and aircraft. Although official Washington denies that Russia is among the targets, the reality of the threat of being subjected to a missile blitzkrieg must be analyzed.

In their reports on the Non-Nuclear Rapid Global Impact (NBGU), the Pentagon leadership, the Strategic Command (SC) of the US Armed Forces and the Joint Chiefs of Staff (OKNSH) state that the delivery and destruction systems are designed to strike Chinese anti-satellite systems, Iranian and North Korean nuclear facilities, fixed positions and mobile installations of nuclear warheads (PLC).

The second most important task of the NBGU is the elimination of the so-called systems “prohibiting access to the theater of military operations.” For example, the Chinese ballistic anti-ship missiles DF-21 in the event of war will significantly limit the maneuvering areas of the US aircraft carrier strike groups. It means that they are subject to preventive liquidation. The third task is the fight against terrorists. Tests on the Prompt Global Strike project are scheduled for completion by 2025.

"China and North Korea, but not Russia"

Rocket blitz until delayedAccording to most American military experts, the fight against terrorism by means of the NBGU is the most dubious option to use hypersonic missiles. Over the past 10 years, there have been no cases where the information obtained was so reliable that the striking was not in doubt. The preparation of the operation to eliminate Osama bin Laden took years, and until the very moment of the landing of the "seals" in Pakistan there was no certainty that the "terrorist number one" would be in the calculated place.

The priority goal of PGS is, after all, well-defended stationary strategic objects and anti-satellite combat complexes. But China, North Korea and Iran have such goals by an order of magnitude less than Russia. So the American "quick strike" will obviously be directed against the mines of ICBMs, mobile ground-based missile complexes (PGRK), space observation facilities, command posts.

Russia also has systems “prohibiting access to theaters”. These are operational tactical missile systems (OTRK) “Iskander” deployed in the western and southern directions, covering most of the US military facilities in Europe. They also significantly complicate the strategic maneuver with the forces and means of NATO.

Freedom to Iraq, Enduring Freedom in Afghanistan and the Allied Force in Yugoslavia show that the United States always strives to deal a decapitating blow to the enemy’s top leadership in the early hours of conflict, although not always successfully. So the NBGU hypersonic weapons are great for this beloved strategy of America.

We are looking for "Topoli" and "Yarsy"

American experts argue that a disarming strike against Russia by means of a non-nuclear global strike is impossible. The main problem is the timely detection of patrolling mobile ground-based missile systems deployed deep in our country. They need to be tracked in real time, and beat as accurately as possible. Such accuracy can only provide satellite systems or aviation radar reconnaissance, such as Lacros satellites, U-2R reconnaissance aircraft, Joint Star E-8, RQ-4 Global Haw drones. But the Lakrosov’s flight time over Russia is limited, and the number of satellites does not allow for continuous monitoring, since the US Senate and Congress recently refused to finance the launch of new ones. During the passage of the PGRK satellites, it is possible to cover with powerful radioelectronic interference. The U-2R, RQ-4 and E-8 airborne radars have high performance, but scouts will still have to invade several thousand kilometers into the airspace of Russia, which is unrealistic. Moreover, the Strategic Missile Forces are now equipped with the most advanced mobile electronic warfare systems.

The positions of the mines of intercontinental ballistic missiles are well known, but it is difficult to destroy them with NBGU weapons. To destroy the lid or the shaft itself, to cause unacceptable damage to the rocket, you need to get within a radius of eight meters from the center of the position. Such accuracy is provided only by GPS, because the inertial system at hypersonic speeds is useless. On the final leg of the flight, the speed of the rocket and the aircraft should decrease from five to one thousand meters per second. The GPS jamming tools we are developing are closing the launch positions with an impenetrable jamming dome, while the C-400 and C-500 complexes intercept the speed-lost rocket from the hyper-to-supersonic.

These arguments of American experts sound convincing, but in Russia they think otherwise. It is known that the US Armed Forces Special Forces specially develop seismic sensors capable of detecting the movement of mobile missile systems based on ground pressure and the presence of exhaust gases in the air. The accuracy of the sensors is low, but if you organize a network of such small inconspicuous devices along the routes, you can get the required pointing accuracy.

The flight time of NBGU weapons from America is about one hour, and the Topol or Yars cannot go far. True, it would be impossible to place sensors on aircraft in the depths of Russian territory, and the PGRK routes are checked.

But the mine-based ICBMs are more vulnerable, since GPS navigation systems even have a weak satellite signal for successful operation. At last year's exercises of long-range aviation and EW troops at the Ashuluk training ground, it was not possible to completely drown out the GPS satellite signal by means of EW. In addition, American hypersonic missiles and aircraft can be equipped with missile defense systems with active radio-electronic and passive physical interference systems.

Nevertheless, the threat to the Russian Strategic Missile Forces is not as high as its domestic experts draw. Effective detection systems PGRK, continuous monitoring and targeting at the Pentagon is unlikely to appear before the 2020 year.

Death beats from orbit

The NBGU’s first means of destruction should have been the sea-based Trident-D2006 ballistic missiles with a non-nuclear high-precision warhead proposed by the George W. Bush administration in 5. The US Congress treated them negatively and allocated modest funding. Later, the Strategic Command considered the Trident too risky. Launched a rocket will be immediately detected by means of a missile attack warning (MNS) and will provoke a retaliatory strike, because how can it be explained that the missile flying over Europe or Russia does not carry YBCh and is aimed at Afghanistan? By 2013, the work on this program was almost phased out.

But planning from the beginning of the 2000-s planning hypersonic aircraft (GZLA) HTV-2 and AHW may become the main and probably the only means of destruction of the NBGU. The device is launched by the launch vehicle, reaches a height of several hundred thousand meters, is separated from the carrier and plans to hypersonic to the target. If the HTV-2 should hit targets at a distance of 10 thousands of kilometers and run from the US, then AHW operates at half the range and can start with ground objects and submarines. To date, the HTV-2 has failed all tests, and AHW has a real opportunity to become a full-fledged combat system by the 2020 – 2025 years. It is planned that these GZLA will be deployed on the Pacific atolls Kwajalein or Guam, as well as on the basis of "Diego Garcia" in the Indian Ocean. Placement of AHW on submarines is questionable, since the size of the launch vehicle based on the Minuteman-3 ICBMs does not allow them to be placed on the Virginia and Los Angeles submarines, and by the time of the first test launches of the naval version planned for 2025 The Ohio strategic rocket carriers will be decommissioned.

GZLA is a deadly threat to the aerospace defense facilities, since the flight altitude passes below the field of view of the SPRN radars. Taking into account the hypersonic speed of the HZLA, the radar detection and anti-aircraft missile systems of the air defense system have only a few minutes to react, if not seconds.

HTV-2 from 2003 to the present cost the Pentagon just 600 million dollars, and AHW and even less - 200 million from 2008 year. If we evaluate the allocated funds and the complexity of the work, we can safely say that the NBGU project is at the end of the list of priority programs of the Pentagon, even yielding to research on individual methods of protecting military personnel.

Experts mistakenly refer to means of defeat of the “Non-nuclear rapid global strike” by Hypersonic Wave-Rider X-51 X-51 cruise missiles developed by the order of the US Air Force attack command. Over time, they can actually enter the NBGU system, but American experts point out that the X-500 technical solutions make it difficult to use it as a combat unit for long-range strikes. According to the command of the US Air Force, the optimal range of destruction by a hypersonic rocket is no more than 5 kilometers, which is less than the range of modern subsonic Tomahawk and ALCM missiles. The main problem hindering the use of the new rocket is the small range and the ability to easily detect it. The rocket can not maneuver at a speed of over 21 M at a height of 51 thousand meters. Due to the significant air resistance, when going down to the target, the X-XNUMX speed drops several times, making it an easy target for air defense weapons. Such problems are deprived of classic subsonic cruise missiles disguised at low altitude, so the US Air Force is very skeptical about the possibility of creating a hypersonic strategic cruise missile.

When analyzing the situation with the means of destruction of the NBGU, it becomes clear that as long as they fail to meet the stated characteristics and requirements for intercontinental destruction of targets and the least similar to the strategic weapon. The radius of application of the existing AHW system is only five thousand kilometers, and the development of the long-range HTV-2, according to the forecasts of American experts, will take up to 15 years and will require more funds than is currently allocated.

Given the existing developments, as well as the planned placements (Diego-Garcia, Guam, Kwajalein), there is no threat for Russia yet. In the current situation, the possibility of delivering a disarming strike to Russia with the help of the “Non-nuclear rapid global strike” is unrealizable in the next ten, and possibly 15 years.

The Pentagon is working in this direction with low costs. Tests of means of destruction go slowly, with big problems, only one AHW system is ready. However, the stated objectives of the NBGU unambiguously put the Russian Federation in the list of priority targets. In addition, AHW can easily be placed, as in its time, “Pershing-2”, in Europe, and the launch of the marine version of the USLW from the sea areas adjacent to Russia will require the deployment of a new group of EWS, significantly different from the existing one.
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  1. AVV
    AVV 6 November 2013 14: 29
    23
    So, not everything is so bad, and there is time to organize, counteracting these future systems. And the more states spend on weapons, the faster their economic collapse, because debt obligations to the whole world have already exceeded $ 17 trillion !!! Colorful flag in their hands !!!
    1. Army1
      Army1 6 November 2013 17: 14
      +9
      All these chips from the NBGU, nonsense, if everything is so simple for them and nuclear weapons are out of date, then why are nuclear bombs needed in Europe, and even modernized for use with F35
      1. Rus2012
        Rus2012 6 November 2013 18: 24
        18
        Quote: Army1
        All these chips from the NBGU, nonsense, if everything is so simple for them and nuclear weapons are out of date, then why are nuclear bombs needed in Europe, and even modernized for use with F35


        Nonsense, nonsense ...
        But, they make it possible to lower the threshold for the use and response of nuclear weapons to the other side. Those. us and the Chinese. It’s right, the carrier launched type RDD or ICBM, what's in his head? We do not take a word. So the answer will be adequate to the threat. Those. nuclear weapons. Whatever the libermans would have squealed ...

        As for the upgraded bombs ...
        As a matter of fact, they are either free-falling or with "guidance" - they do not do the weather. Supposedly they are needed by the European NATO members for prestige, i.e. just show-off.
        Suppose, for example, after the onset of the "threatened period" - the Americans will open warehouses and transfer these bombs to their allies ... And they will become "nuclear-powered" in one hour. That is, "caliphs for an hour" ... As if they do not understand that the locks in the warehouses will not have time to open yet, as a decent and 100% guaranteed blow will blow these warehouses to smithereens ...
        PS: Our knowledgeable and admitted say - at the entrance to the GKP there is an inscription like - "41st year should not be repeated!"
        On that and stand!
      2. timer
        timer 6 November 2013 23: 35
        +6
        It seems to me that we are constantly trying to breed for an arms race, the same story as with the USSR. Only the USSR succumbed to these wiring, but we can’t! I think that if this problem is really serious, then we need to come up with an inexpensive but effective technical answer.
        1. studentmati
          studentmati 7 November 2013 00: 18
          +3
          Quote: timer
          ... you need to come up with an inexpensive but effective technical answer.

          A very smart decision! good Give suggestions! I speak without any irony.
          1. ramzes1776
            ramzes1776 7 November 2013 01: 50
            +8
            Quote: studentmati
            Give suggestions! I speak without any irony.

            It is necessary to start production of the BZHRK again under the guise of the usual railway transport, and then nothing will definitely help amers.
            1. studentmati
              studentmati 7 November 2013 01: 53
              +2
              Quote: ramzes1776
              It is necessary to start production of the BZHRK again under the guise of the usual railway transport, and then nothing will definitely help amers.

              Below, I spoke about this. Thank you for understanding!
      3. studentmati
        studentmati 7 November 2013 00: 11
        0
        Quote: Army1
        why nuclear bombs are needed in Europe, and even modernized for use with F35

        To maintain the US budget at the expense of its allies ...
    2. Civil
      Civil 6 November 2013 18: 55
      +3
      Well, you never know, you need to prepare an answer ...
    3. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 7 November 2013 06: 17
      +1
      will we believe foreign sources or ours? recourse
  2. Same lech
    Same lech 6 November 2013 15: 56
    12
    Although official Washington denies that Russia is one of the goals, the reality of the threat of being subjected to a rocket blitzkrieg needs to be analyzed. (As I believed)

    I'm more interested in what our armed forces can really oppose in the future against such a blitzkrieg.
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 6 November 2013 16: 02
      37
      For the USA, the main goal was and is Russia, and all their tales that this is not so should be read to their children at night.
      1. Migari
        Migari 6 November 2013 17: 00
        25
        We were, are and will be enemieswhat kind of "Partnership"
      2. Grandson of Veteran
        Grandson of Veteran 6 November 2013 17: 50
        20
        "For the United States, the main goal was and is Russia, and all their fairy tales that this is not so, let them read to their children at night."
        In the old days, they could be respected as an enemy. Today, they act like skunks - all for them are partner partners, and missile defense in Eastern Europe is like that, to stub fish in the Baltic. I agree 100% - we were, are and will be Enemies! And the increase in the military budget of the Russian Federation is a completely justified and necessary measure. The main thing is that Taburetkin and his ilk are barred from this budget !!!
      3. timer
        timer 6 November 2013 23: 37
        +1
        I agree 100% with your comment. I believe that if this problem is really serious, then we need to come up with an inexpensive but effective technical answer.
    2. evgenii67
      evgenii67 6 November 2013 16: 32
      +3
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      I'm more interested in what our armed forces can really oppose in the future against such a blitzkrieg.

      Russian character, cold and territory.
      "Nevertheless, the threat to the Russian Strategic Missile Forces is not as high as domestic experts portray it." Dear author, who are you?
      1. timer
        timer 6 November 2013 23: 39
        0
        I think among these experts who think so, a bunch of liberals and traitors.
    3. Hunghuz
      Hunghuz 6 November 2013 17: 48
      -20 qualifying.
      hi The army of wooden soldiers of Urfin Dzhus, the marshals of the Taburetkin and inflatable military equipment .........))))))))) I forgot about the ambush regiment of the oligarchs in the galley fleet)
    4. Rus2012
      Rus2012 6 November 2013 18: 30
      +4
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      I'm more interested in what our armed forces can really oppose in the future against such a blitzkrieg.

      BB in nuclear equipment ... So that not even the slightest desire would arise. Even the temptation in the depths of their flat mazgov!
    5. Jurkovs
      Jurkovs 6 November 2013 19: 01
      11
      One return of missiles to the railway platform puts an end to all their attempts.
      1. rainufa
        rainufa 6 November 2013 21: 13
        0
        To do this, you need to strengthen the railway sheet, the scalpel is dangerous not only for the adversary.
    6. Onotollah
      Onotollah 6 November 2013 19: 21
      10
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      what can our armed forces really oppose in the future

      As an additional measure, you can try to persuade the US military that war is not fashionable, that LGBT people in Europe will not understand them, that tolerance and homosexuals are a recent trend, that money is better spent on democratic reforms and respect for human rights, and let each state take so much independence as much as he can. The Indians should be reminded that they were cut out and driven from the land, that the Negroes were oppressed because they were black, and Texas was chopped off by the Mexicans.
      Well, you understand: agents of influence and all that. We have already passed this.
    7. studentmati
      studentmati 7 November 2013 00: 15
      +4
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      I'm more interested in what our armed forces can really oppose in the future against such a blitzkrieg.


      Governor !!! good + BZHRK !!! good + Perimeter !!! good... + brains of leaders ...
      1. Onyx
        Onyx 7 November 2013 00: 34
        -1
        No more Governor and BZHRK. We need modern solid fuel complexes, such as Yars and its further modifications of mine and mobile soil-based. We do not need to enter the imposed arms race again.
        1. studentmati
          studentmati 7 November 2013 00: 53
          0
          Quote: Onyx
          No more Governor and BZHRK. We need modern solid fuel complexes, such as Yars and its further modifications of mine and mobile soil-based. We do not need to enter the imposed arms race again.


          But why?

          The circuit diagram of the Voivode is unsurpassed. BZHRK is many times more effective than soil complexes.
        2. ramzes1776
          ramzes1776 7 November 2013 14: 39
          0
          Quote: Onyx
          We need modern solid fuel complexes, such as Yars and its further modifications of mine and mobile soil-based. We do not need to enter the imposed arms race again.

          And the "Scalpel", in fact, a solid fuel was and would now be a completely modern complex. Another thing is that the production facilities for its production were in Ukraine. So now you have to make and reinvent the rocket on the basis of the same YARS or Poplar.
          1. Onyx
            Onyx 7 November 2013 14: 53
            -1
            Quote: ramzes1776
            And the "Scalpel", actually solid fuel was

            I know. But the creation of BZHRK is not necessary simply. This is an extra waste of all sorts of resources.
      2. andr327
        andr327 7 November 2013 08: 44
        +1
        the formula is correct, only with the last component is the problem! fellow
    8. biznaw
      biznaw 7 November 2013 00: 40
      +1
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      I'm more interested in what our armed forces can really oppose in the future against such a blitzkrieg

      "Courier" was recently declassified under the name Club
      And there is Sagittarius so far secret when they make and put on duty along the coast sworn friends ... The problem is not with their weapons we have, the problem with the venality of our officials, deputies, oligarchs. Money and children have been there for a long time. No plane, no rocket will fly in that direction.
    9. biznaw
      biznaw 7 November 2013 01: 21
      0
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      I'm more interested in what our armed forces can really oppose in the future against such a blitzkrieg

      "Courier" was recently declassified under the name Club
      And there is Sagittarius so far secret when they make and put on duty along the coast sworn friends ... The problem is not with their weapons we have, the problem with the venality of our officials, deputies, oligarchs. Money and children have been there for a long time. No plane, no rocket will fly in that direction.
  3. major071
    major071 6 November 2013 16: 03
    13
    While the Americans will finalize their system, we, too, will not sit still folding their hands on their tummy, calmed by their praises. Our bright minds will come up with something again such that these systems become unpromising. For every tricky f (o) pu there is ... with a screw.
    1. Stiletto
      Stiletto 6 November 2013 17: 13
      +4
      Quote: major071
      For every tricky f (o) pu there is ... with a screw.


      Of course I have. Club-K is called. Outwardly, the thing is not strategic, but - very, very, for our partners, lethal with skillful use.
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    1. Storm
      Storm 6 November 2013 16: 30
      +5
      Apparently not everything can be bought, since the Americans periodically bomb here and there.
      so here, not everything is so bad.
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    1. Rus2012
      Rus2012 6 November 2013 18: 34
      +4
      Quote: knn54
      Why destroy what you can buy ...

      Here ... however! laughing
      But, there are things in the world that are not for sale: Honor, Conscience and Soul. True, they are not accessible to everyone and are present.
      Thank God there are still worthy people in our army, and we know them!
      1. knn54
        knn54 6 November 2013 19: 17
        +7
        -Rus2012: Thank God, there are still worthy people in our army, and we know them!
        And not only in the army. Yes, an honest person cannot be bought, but it can be sold. And this is our TOTAL misfortune.
  6. Black
    Black 6 November 2013 16: 13
    11
    Quote: AVV
    So that not everything is so bad, and there is time


    10-15 years old, do you think this is the time? This is almost a time pressure, especially given the fact that over the past decades, we have more and more "liquidated", "cut", "frozen", "removed from production" than "flies".
    I am not a great specialist in this field, but in my humble opinion, the revival of mobile railway complexes is a matter of survival.
    By the way, it was said that with the consent of the Kremlin, the technology for detecting such complexes was merged to amers ...
    1. Onyx
      Onyx 6 November 2013 18: 54
      +6
      Quote: Chen
      10-15 years old, do you think this is the time? This is almost a time pressure, especially given the fact that over the past decades, we have more and more "liquidated", "cut", "frozen", "removed from production" than "flies".

      But quite recently the opposite has happened: new strategic and tactical missile systems, such as Topol-M, Yars, Iskander, are being purchased. I am absolutely sure that all problems with the Mace will be resolved in the near future and that it will continue to enter the Armed Forces. Medium-range missiles are also being developed.
      Quote: Chen
      I am not a great specialist in this field, but in my humble opinion, the revival of mobile railway complexes is a matter of survival.

      Here it is better to entrust this issue to specialists. If there is an opportunity to do without BZHRK, then it is better not to recreate. This is a huge expense, not even associated with the BZHRK itself, but with the corresponding infrastructure, which is currently lacking.
      Quote: Chen
      By the way, it was said that with the consent of the Kremlin, the technology for detecting such complexes was merged to amers ...

      Yes, what they just didn’t talk about, you should not believe everything.
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  8. patriot2
    patriot2 6 November 2013 16: 28
    +2
    Apparently, Amer’s analysts are not just reassuring our Supreme Command, but are working to initiate the intensification of the development of UAVs and other types of weapons capable of destroying our nuclear shield.
    1. Saburov
      Saburov 6 November 2013 17: 21
      +8
      Well, actually, the marching routes of the Strategic Missile Forces, when ready, the 1 number is stored in the General Staff, now they ride along the routes agreed with the USA, because they are afraid to lose sight of them in the event of hostilities, even the commander does not know the route along which the complex will go to the launch point, since the function of the top-secret package works reliably in the old fashioned way, and after opening it, they will scatter across Siberia and the taiga like cockroaches, with each missile in a different direction, and one division with three missiles, for guaranteed survival, the United States simply has no missiles, neither satellites nor aircraft Comrade or subversive groups is not enough to keep track of them, and even the presence of one of two undetected while on duty SSBNs, make it impossible for this scam.
      1. the polar
        the polar 6 November 2013 18: 33
        -2
        Quote: Saburov
        and after opening it, they will scatter across Siberia and the taiga like cockroaches, with each missile in a different direction, and one division is three missiles, for guaranteed survival, the United States simply has no rockets or satellites,

        Don't talk nonsense about "running through the taiga." "Mobile complexes" is a column of vehicles weighing tens of tons, accompanied by security units and mobile air defense systems. They need prepared trails, not taiga trails, from bump to bump.
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        2. Onyx
          Onyx 6 November 2013 19: 01
          +2
          Quote: Polar
          Don't talk nonsense about "running through the taiga." "Mobile complexes" is a column of vehicles weighing tens of tons, accompanied by security units and mobile air defense systems

          There is security, but air defense systems do not go for PGRK
        3. Rus2012
          Rus2012 6 November 2013 19: 06
          +2
          Quote: Polar
          Don't talk nonsense about "running through the taiga." "Mobile complexes" is a column of vehicles weighing tens of tons, accompanied by security units and mobile air defense systems. They need prepared trails, not taiga trails, from bump to bump.

          This is not quite taG!
          "prepared tracks" means only that engineering specialists walked along it, assessed for passability. Have led to the corresponding requirements. Almost none of the townsfolk will guess that one of the routes passes here and somewhere nearby there are "pockets" for the PGRK. On the other hand, the APUshki alone can and do escape the blow, leaving everything dragging behind her. As for security, the question is also controversial. It is quite possible that at a certain time, some areas with given coordinates will simply be closed to all those who are not involved, up to the point of "isolation and sterilization of theaters."
          If "In August 44" was read ... like this ...
        4. Bort radist
          Bort radist 7 November 2013 10: 29
          0
          Quote: Polar
          They need pre-prepared tracks, not taiga paths, from hummock to hummock.

          In Taiga there are so many roads that no one knows about, not paths, but roads quite suitable for vehicles with increased cross-country ability. And the Transbaikal steppes, Khakassia, roads there, as such, are not needed !!! sure there are laid these routes fellow especially in the area of ​​Uzhur station.
      2. Rus2012
        Rus2012 6 November 2013 18: 48
        +1
        Quote: Saburov
        now they ride along the routes agreed with the USA, because they are afraid to lose sight of them,

        ... a little bit different, dear colleague. Indeed, in peacetime, they ride along the training routes and get on the training BSPP. Yankees on any of these routes are NOT TRANSMITTED. But, they can register PGRK on the route with their national funds. And what is transmitted (more precisely, negotiated) is a peacetime patrol area. And the number of PGRK, which can simultaneously be in the field, is limited. Those. area in square kilometers with a perimeter outlined and the percentage of how many can be there. Under the new agreement - these patrol areas in 10 times increased.
        Earlier, there was still a requirement - on a certain day and hour - to open the "Krona" and put the nose of the PGRK on "satellite imagery". Wait, this item seems to be missing.
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      4. Onyx
        Onyx 6 November 2013 19: 00
        +2
        Quote: Saburov
        Now they ride along the routes agreed with the United States, as they are afraid to lose sight of them in the event of hostilities

        This is nonsense. Indeed, in some of the START treaties (either START-1, or START-2), we assumed restrictions on the area of ​​the areas of combat patrol of the PGR (no more than 5 km2), but we never agreed on patrol routes with the USA . Now there are no restrictions on the area of ​​patrol areas.
        1. Saburov
          Saburov 7 November 2013 00: 56
          0
          START is a treaty aimed at reducing the number of deployed nuclear warheads, this is its primary goal. But various treaties, such as joint threat reduction and the like, signed in the nineties, of which we have not yet reached, limit military alert routes to 125 sq. Km
      5. Bort radist
        Bort radist 7 November 2013 10: 21
        0
        Quote: Saburov
        the United States simply has no missiles, no satellites, no planes, no sabotage groups to track them, and even the presence of one of two undetected during the SSBN's duty makes this scam impossible.

        "The SC of the US Armed Forces are specially developing seismic-chemical sensors capable of detecting the movement of mobile missile systems based on the pressure on the ground and the presence of exhaust gases in the air."
        To create pressure and to let gas in, we easily, do not track.
    2. APASUS
      APASUS 6 November 2013 19: 56
      +5
      Quote: patriot2
      Taking into account everything, Amer’s analysts are not just reassuring our Supreme Command, but are working to initiate the intensification of the development of UAVs and other types of weapons capable of destroying our nuclear shield.

      There is another important fact. The fall of just two twin towers plunged America into a stupor. Imagine what will happen in a nuclear explosion? Therefore, Americans must be 120% sure that all goals are hit and will not get an answer. And they don’t have such a guarantee.
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  10. Valery Neonov
    Valery Neonov 6 November 2013 16: 30
    +2
    First line:In the foreseeable future, the United States cannot destroy the Russian strategic nuclear forces at lightning speed.Well, what, once they could not to the detriment of PEACE ... fool
  11. Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 6 November 2013 16: 32
    +6
    THANKS AND A LOW WORSHIP TO THE TRUE PATRIOTS OF RUSSIA THAT SAVED AND STARTED TO RENEW!soldier
    But this should not lull, especially since the American comrades are no longer hiding their intentions, no matter how much the liberals would say that Russia has no enemies in the global world.
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  14. kaktus
    kaktus 6 November 2013 16: 34
    +3
    "The rocket blitzkrieg is postponed for now"
    And we are not in a hurry lol
  15. Migari
    Migari 6 November 2013 16: 34
    11
    High-precision non-strategic hypersonic weapons of destruction will be created in Russia, Deputy Defense Minister Yuri Borisov said on Saturday. We are developing this kind of development: it would be foolish to say that we are just sitting and sleeping, and we hope to receive them at about the same time (as the USA). Borisov especially drew attention to the fact that counteraction to these funds can be more effective and cheaper than creating them. We can always more adequately and cheaper respond to all these challenges and threats.
  16. Renat
    Renat 6 November 2013 16: 38
    +3
    Is Russia not among the goals? What kind of nonsense?
    1. zennon
      zennon 6 November 2013 18: 50
      +7
      Quote: Renat
      Is Russia not among the goals? What kind of nonsense?

      This is not nonsense. They would have tried to destroy us with great pleasure if the analysis showed that there are at least some prerequisites to do this and not receive an answer that is not acceptable in power and destruction. They know the number of ICBMs with MIRVs that do not slow down in response. They know their capabilities to overcome missile defense. Know the flight time. And they also know about the "dead hand system" ...
      PETER BELOV, Doctor of Engineering: In the Soviet Union, the so-called “dead hand system” was developed. What does it mean? In case the country becomes the target of a nuclear missile attack and the commander-in-chief cannot make a decision, among the intercontinental Soviet missiles were those that could be launched by the signal of the radio command system.

      With the help of a complex network of sensors for seismic activity, air pressure and radiation, a “dead hand system" could trigger a nuclear arsenal in the event of a nuclear strike against the USSR - without anyone having to press the red button.
      If there was no connection with the Kremlin, and computers were diagnosed with a deadly atomic strike, the missiles would still be launched, giving the Soviet Union the opportunity to strike back post mortem, that is, posthumously.
      1. starhina01
        starhina01 6 November 2013 21: 28
        0
        God forbid this to happen. stop
  17. ZU-23
    ZU-23 6 November 2013 16: 41
    +2
    but, crap is somehow inadequate, I know one thing that we do not believe them in more than one word and do everything for our protection.
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  19. Nayhas
    Nayhas 6 November 2013 16: 41
    -5
    The author is certainly a fine fellow, he painted everything, analyzed everything (no matter how accurately and correctly), but he does not have an answer to the simple question, WHY DOES THE US NEED TO APPLY A "DISARMING" IMPACT ON RUSSIA ???????
    What the hell is paranoia?
    P.S .:
    These are the Iskander operational-tactical missile systems (OTRK) deployed in the western and southern directions, covering most of the US military facilities in Europe.

    AUTHOR, OTRK Iskander covers most of the US military facilities in Europe? Before writing such nonsense, familiarize yourself with the location of US military bases in Europe and see the range of Iskander ...
    1. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 6 November 2013 16: 54
      +4
      Quote: Nayhas
      WHY DOES THE US NEED TO APPLY A "DISARMING" IMPACT ON RUSSIA ???????

      And why do they even develop means of attack? So, just in case? A shotgun hanging on the wall will ever shoot ....
      1. Nayhas
        Nayhas 6 November 2013 22: 58
        -2
        Quote: Pilat2009
        And why do they even develop means of attack? So, just in case? A shotgun hanging on the wall will ever shoot ....

        Do you always answer a question with a question? Give a normal answer, WHY.
        PS: if you can of course ...
        1. Pilat2009
          Pilat2009 7 November 2013 19: 05
          0
          Quote: Nayhas
          Give a normal answer, WHY.

          I give: personally, I think that in local conflicts they will try not to use nuclear weapons as fraught with contamination of the territory and escalating into the ass ... But the use of high-precision nuclear-free warheads is possible.
          And Japan may well populate the Kuril Islands one day, which is fraught with conflict. And they have a good army and are bored with fighting ....
    2. Peaceful military
      Peaceful military 6 November 2013 17: 33
      0
      Quote: Nayhas
      The author is certainly a fine fellow, he painted everything, analyzed everything (no matter how accurately and correctly), but he does not have an answer to the simple question, WHY DOES THE US NEED TO APPLY A "DISARMING" IMPACT ON RUSSIA ???????
      What the hell is paranoia?
      P.S .:
      These are the Iskander operational-tactical missile systems (OTRK) deployed in the western and southern directions, covering most of the US military facilities in Europe.

      AUTHOR, OTRK Iskander covers most of the US military facilities in Europe? Before writing such nonsense, familiarize yourself with the location of US military bases in Europe and see the range of Iskander ...

      Everything is so, but you forget the main thing, retaliatory strikes on the territory of Europe, whereas the United States strikes on Russia from Europe.
      1. Rus2012
        Rus2012 6 November 2013 20: 01
        0
        Quote: Peaceful military
        in Russia strikes from Europe are inflicted by the United States.

        Where exactly from Europe, dear colleague?
        Or do you take into account something about 200 nuclear bombs that are in the warehouses of some NATO countries ...

        So this is a strong "pain in their ass" should be in negotiations with us. That is to say, a trump card for Lavrov. From a military point of view, the benefits of them are "ZERO" ...
        Well, also this is our not open map, well, for example, in Venezuela or Cuba or Nicaragua. And m. and in Brazil;)))
        1. Peaceful military
          Peaceful military 6 November 2013 20: 45
          +1
          Quote: Rus2012
          Quote: Peaceful military
          in Russia strikes from Europe are inflicted by the United States.

          Where exactly from Europe, dear colleague?
          Or do you take into account something about 200 nuclear bombs that are in the warehouses of some NATO countries ...
          So this is a strong "pain in their ass" should be in negotiations with us. That is to say, a trump card for Lavrov. From a military point of view, the benefits of them are "ZERO" ...
          Well, also this is our not open map, well, for example, in Venezuela or Cuba or Nicaragua. And m. and in Brazil;)))

          No, colleague, I take into account the fact that, first of all, on the database from the Americans, in Europe, and then, as you put it
          that in the warehouses of some NATO countries
          And there is also British and French nuclear weapons allied to the Americans, and a bunch of other "charms" ...
          1. Rus2012
            Rus2012 6 November 2013 21: 15
            0
            Quote: Peaceful military
            No, colleague, I take into account the fact that, first of all, on the database from the Americans, in Europe, and then, as you put it

            And what do they have on the database in the geyrop from the nuclear?
      2. Nayhas
        Nayhas 6 November 2013 23: 03
        0
        Quote: Peaceful military
        while the United States is striking Russia from Europe.

        Yes, my God, even if the entire US leadership goes crazy and decides to put an end to life on earth in order to see the post-apocalyptic film in 4D, even then they will have enough of the nuclear weapons that are in excess in the United States ...
    3. SV
      SV 6 November 2013 19: 52
      +4
      Remark: recently, the Moscow Defense Ministry launched ICBMs, and, oh, a miracle! belay they hit the value at a distance of 2500 km, instead of the required 10, but according to the amers, we have no right to possess missiles of such range, because this is an immediate threat to their bases stop ........
      1. GELEZNII_KAPUT
        GELEZNII_KAPUT 6 November 2013 20: 41
        0
        Quote: SV
        Remark: recently, the Moscow Defense Ministry launched ICBMs, and, oh, a miracle! they hit the value at a distance of 2500 km, instead of the required 10, but according to the amers, we have no right to possess missiles of such range, because this is an immediate threat to their bases

        Nehru was out of the ABM Treaty, a herd of bombastic idiots! bully
    4. shtanko.49
      shtanko.49 6 November 2013 21: 55
      0
      And they told everyone what the range of Iskander’s use was, they laid out all the technical specifications directly on the Internet. I’m sure that we don’t even realize that this type of weapon can be maximized.
  20. Nayhas
    Nayhas 6 November 2013 16: 42
    -10 qualifying.
    The author is certainly a fine fellow, he painted everything, analyzed everything (no matter how accurately and correctly), but he does not have an answer to the simple question, WHY DOES THE US NEED TO APPLY A "DISARMING" IMPACT ON RUSSIA ???????
    What the hell is paranoia?
    1. Peaceful military
      Peaceful military 6 November 2013 18: 01
      +3
      Quote: Nayhas
      The author is certainly a fine fellow, he painted everything, analyzed everything (no matter how accurately and correctly), but he does not have an answer to the simple question, WHY DOES THE US NEED TO APPLY A "DISARMING" IMPACT ON RUSSIA ???????
      What the hell is paranoia?

      And you ask them, not ours ... hi
    2. 11111mail.ru
      11111mail.ru 6 November 2013 19: 17
      +3
      Quote: Nayhas
      WHY DOES THE US NEED TO APPLY A "DISARMING" IMPACT ON RUSSIA?

      Is this what life teaches us?
      Yes, she does not teach anything!
      Timur Shaov "A song about flu. 39 and one".
      1. The attack of the Russian squadron in Port Arthur by the Japanese.
      2. The attack (22.06.1941/XNUMX/XNUMX) of Nazi Germany on the USSR.
      3. Attack of the Navy of the Japanese Empire on Pearl Harbor.
      M. b. answer your own question? I will not, like local snobs, urge you to "learn history".
      1. Nayhas
        Nayhas 6 November 2013 23: 06
        -1
        Quote: 11111mail.ru
        Mb answer your own question?

        What have you led all this to? You answer normally, the Americans want to attack Russia because ... and the continuation of your thoughts.
        1. ssergn
          ssergn 8 November 2013 08: 29
          +1
          Because - this is a fucking .. source of resources. And not only hydrocarbons, but also diamonds, rare earth metals, as well as nickel, titanium, coal, wood, clean drinking water and other, other.

          It's all right?
    3. SV
      SV 6 November 2013 19: 56
      +6
      Better Paranoia Now Than Surprise Model 41
      1. Nayhas
        Nayhas 6 November 2013 23: 08
        -4
        Quote: SV
        Better Paranoia Now Than Surprise Model 41

        In order for there to be no "surprises", there is no reason to fall into hysteria, but to build highly protected ICBM mines with the cover of their missile defense system and not a single bastard fell ... Xia, and not to improvise with "mobile" complexes that are a threat only to their own people. ..
        1. Onyx
          Onyx 6 November 2013 23: 28
          0
          Quote: Nayhas
          In order for there to be no "surprises", there is no reason to fall into hysteria, but to build highly protected ICBM mines with the cover of their missile defense system and not a single bastard fell ... Xia, and not to improvise with "mobile" complexes that are a threat only to their own people. ..

          You see, the accuracy and power of charges of American Trident-2 missiles allows you to hit highly protected silos with one or two warheads. For a guaranteed retaliatory strike, it is necessary to have a PGRK group in the Strategic Missile Forces.
          1. Nayhas
            Nayhas 7 November 2013 08: 45
            -3
            Quote: Onyx
            For a guaranteed retaliatory strike, it is necessary to have a PGRK group in the Strategic Missile Forces

            The PGRK’s protection against a nuclear strike is generally zero, the location of all units has long been known to the enemy, and travel routes, too, because they cannot move outside roads. For example, the location of the Strategic Missile Forces in the NSO is known to all interested citizens, they have their own section along which they ride without leaving it, because any exit for it implies movement on local roads and requires escorting the traffic police and blocking all exits on this road, as a result of which the blind will not notice the cavalcade. As a result, all PGRK are concentrated on a 2X2 km long pine forest site. Do you think this is better than tons of concrete and steel silos?
            1. Colonel
              Colonel 7 November 2013 12: 04
              +2
              the location of the Strategic Missile Forces in the NSO is known to all interested citizens, they have their own site along which they ride without leaving it, because any exit for it implies movement on local roads and requires traffic police to be accompanied and all exits blocked on this road, as a result, such cavalcade does not only a blind person will notice. As a result, all PGRCs are concentrated on a 2X2 km pine forest site
              Even wondering where such information comes from. The traffic police and the deployment of the complex at the gates of the BSP is a burp of a stormy 90s. When the regiment enters the combat patrol area (namely, the RBP, not the URBP), the regiment’s commandant service will block the roads itself so that no one pokes (for example, the governor of the Ivanovo region stood before the post of the commandant service for 2,5 hours, despite a fair amount of irritation to surpass The Presidential Decree on Nuclear Safety, he could not). The position area of ​​the division of the armed PGRK is several areas (3-5), but not 2x2 km. hi
            2. Ascetic
              Ascetic 7 November 2013 12: 05
              +3
              Quote: Nayhas
              The PGRK’s protection against a nuclear strike is generally zero, the location of all units has long been known to the enemy, and travel routes, too, because they cannot move outside roads. For example, the location of the Strategic Missile Forces in the NSO is known to all interested citizens, they have their own section along which they ride without leaving it, because any exit for it implies movement on local roads and requires escorting the traffic police and blocking all exits on this road, as a result of which the blind will not notice the cavalcade. As a result, all PGRK are concentrated on a 2X2 km long pine forest site. Do you think this is better than tons of concrete and steel silos?


              God grant that the enemy reasoned that way. The regiment has 3 missile divisions with 3 APUs in each. For each division, at least 4 PUBSP (training or peacetime) and the same number of PBSP (combat in wartime which in peacetime never occupy and routes to them are unknown to the enemy) are selected. In total, there are 12 training and the same number of combat "compacts" in the regiment without PKP rp (placement on the PP by the RDN staff, control through the PKP rdn). For each APU the same training and 4 combat "loners". In total, 72 singles and 24 compacts are obtained for the regiment. A total of 96 PP for a regiment, and if you add PKPrp, then there will be at least 100. In a division, as a rule, 4 regiments are obtained no less than 400 PP only for military equipment. not counting the waiting positions. technical, rear and others. Therefore, the position area and the area of ​​combat patrol are quite significant in area. Knowing the power reserve of the units it is possible to calculate the area of ​​the region for each regiment (not less than 500 km square). For example, the Teykovskaya PR is located in the Ivanovo, Vladimir, Kostroma regions. But not
              Quote: Nayhas
              on a site of pine forest 2X2 km in size.


              And then there is no need to argue about what is better or worse than the OS and PGRK shelves perform different tasks and in this sense complement each other well. Even the Combat Charter of the Strategic Missile Forces consists of two parts — for the OS regiments separately and for the PGRK regiments separately.
            3. Rus2012
              Rus2012 7 November 2013 18: 20
              +3
              Quote: Nayhas
              As a result, all PGRCs are concentrated on a section of pine forest measuring 2X2 km.,

              Colleague, I repeat once again on purpose - you see exactly as much as you are allowed to see!
              And if you need to protect the Fatherland - APU will be put on your garden plot, respectively, without demand and your right of admission. And the roads will be cut off and a round-the-clock curfew will be introduced. Therefore, do not say nonsense!
              For information - PGRK, even at a permanent deployment site in "Kronakh" are on the base in a few minutes of readiness. Therefore, by the time the enemy's warheads arrive, they will already be empty ...
              1. Ascetic
                Ascetic 7 November 2013 19: 08
                +2
                Quote: Rus2012
                APU will be put on your garden plot, respectively, without demand and your right of admission.

                Single was on the dance floor of the pioneer camp.
        2. ssergn
          ssergn 8 November 2013 08: 44
          0
          Excuse me, are you a specialist in Strategic Missile Forces? (to give such advice)
  21. Ascetic
    Ascetic 6 November 2013 17: 15
    +9
    by the time the first test launches of the offshore version of the AHW are scheduled for 2025, the Ohio strategic missile carriers will be decommissioned.

    it is planned to begin the gradual withdrawal of Ohio-class SSBNs from 2026 fiscal year, one boat per year and to remove them completely from service in 2039 fin. year. And the arrival of the first new SSBN is scheduled for sometime in 2029. There is a plan called "Ohio replacement Program" where all this is scheduled, the author apparently does not know it.
    Again, everything is mixed in a bunch, the same bunch of bloopers tia
    "The flight time of the NBGU weapons from America is about one hour, and “Poplar” or “Yars” cannot go far. True, arrange the sensors with aircraft or military personnel it just won't work on the ground deep in Russian territory, and the routes of the PGRK are being checked "
    .
    The standard for folding rdn, if memory serves 40min. (this is not in a hurry and yawning, in real life it is possible twice as fast), 20 minutes remain. for which the division will leave at an estimated average speed of 40 km / h by at least 10 km in the worst case scenario. And where is the maximum accuracy of destruction within a radius of 10 km by non-nuclear weapons? To do this, you need to attach "beacons" on the APUs themselves.
    In general, in this perspective, it is necessary to consider whether it is possible disarming surprise strike by those means that are or will be in the future or is impossible. For in case of a sudden strike, no GEL is needed, the ancient Axes, coupled with the Tridents, are enough if they are not tracked in time. And for this, the priority development of aerospace defense facilities, in particular the early warning system (ground and satellite) plus the Dozor system of the GRU, allow an inexperienced author to hope that the country's leadership is thinking in the right direction, namely, to prevent the enemy from delivering a surprise strike in the first place.
  22. Boa kaa
    Boa kaa 6 November 2013 17: 22
    +4
    the launch of the marine GZLA variant from the offshore areas adjacent to Russia will require the deployment of a new group of SPRN, which is significantly different from the existing one.

    This will require new expenses, and significant ones. It seems to me that to increase the radio horizon some air defense radars will not be enough. We'll have to make radar posts on balloons, airships and other exotic things. Surely we will have to return to space combat stations: destroy ("jam" to death) GPS satellites, and warn about the launch of HYPERS, and possibly destroy them from space with weapons based on new physical principles. In any case, if our KULIBINS do not find an asymmetrical answer, we will have to get involved in the arms race anew.
  23. Genur
    Genur 6 November 2013 17: 24
    +2
    With such an analysis, the possibility of DISINFORMATION should also be mentioned ...
    And our probable opponent knows how to do it ... So - do not calm down.
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  26. AlexA
    AlexA 6 November 2013 17: 40
    -7
    Colleagues, let's not overestimate the mobile capabilities of our ground complexes of the Strategic Missile Forces. They are only mobile on paper. In fact, there are no roads for 140-ton PU, and they will not go anywhere "in Siberia". So, in fact, they can shoot only from their stationary position, the coordinates of which are well known to everyone, and they stand on it compactly and practically unprotected. About 50 years ago there were 8k51, 8k63, 8k65, 8k64. In general, the fears of experts about the massive destruction of our nuclear forces by non-nuclear weapons are not at all groundless. And armored trains already in World War II did not have any serious significance. All the more so today. Nothing more reliable than a mine OS has been invented.
    1. Corsair5912
      Corsair5912 6 November 2013 18: 22
      +6
      Quote: AlexA
      Colleagues, let's not overestimate the mobile capabilities of our ground complexes of the Strategic Missile Forces. They are only mobile on paper. In fact, there are no roads for 140-ton PU, and they will not go anywhere "in Siberia". So, in fact, they can shoot only from their stationary position, the coordinates of which are well known to everyone, and they stand on it compactly and practically unprotected.

      No panic.
      What the fuck 140 t? Where have the roads gone in Siberia? In August of this year I was in Novosibirsk, Barnaul, Biysk, everywhere there are excellent roads. In winter, all of Siberia is in good roads, they are called winter roads, and winter in Siberia is 9 months. Through the Urals from Ivdel to Orenburg an excellent road 2500 km. Try to catch the ICBM PB on it, not a single satellite can track the movement along the meridian.
      The mobile complex consists of one 15Ж65 rocket placed in a high-strength fiberglass TPK mounted on an eight-axis MZKT-79221 chassis.
      The missile is equipped with a detachable warhead with one thermonuclear warhead with a power of 550 ct of TNT equivalent. The warhead is also equipped with a range of missile defense capabilities. KSP PRO consists of passive and active false targets, as well as means of distorting the characteristics of the head part. Several dozen auxiliary correction engines, instruments and control mechanisms allow the warhead to make maneuvers on the trajectory, making it difficult to intercept it on the final section of the trajectory. Some sources claim that LCs are indistinguishable from warheads in all ranges of electromagnetic radiation (optical, infrared, radar).
      Maximum firing range, km - 11000
      Number of stages - 3
      Starting weight, t - 47.1 (47.2)
      The thrown weight, t - 1,2
      Missile length without warhead, m - 17.5 (17.9)
      Missile length, m - 22.7
      Maximum case diameter, m - 1,86
      Type of warhead - monoblock (RS-24 "Yars" - with homing individual guidance), nuclear
      Equivalent warhead, mt - 0.55
      Circular probable deviation, m - 200
      TPK diameter (without protruding parts), m - 1.95 (for 15П165 - 2.05)
      MZKT-79221 (MAZ-7922)
      Wheel formula - 16x16
      Turning radius, m - 18
      Road light, mm - 475
      Weight in full, t - 40
      Lift capacity, t - 80
      Maximum speed, km / h - 45
      Stock, km - 500
      1. 11111mail.ru
        11111mail.ru 6 November 2013 19: 38
        0
        Quote: Corsair5912
        from Ivdel to Orenburg

        Yes Yes Yes! From the hill and around Sim, about 5 km in a left turn, in the direction you indicated, or on a bridge over the Belaya River above 15 km. before the confluence of the river Ufimka (aka Kara-Idel). Where do you turn on the indicated segment? your track
      2. GELEZNII_KAPUT
        GELEZNII_KAPUT 6 November 2013 20: 47
        +2
        Quote: Corsair5912
        and winter in Siberia is 9 months

        +, but about the winter at 9 months, you ... have bent! laughing
    2. Ascetic
      Ascetic 6 November 2013 18: 31
      +9
      Quote: AlexA
      . In fact, there are no roads for 140-ton PU, and they will not leave "in Siberia" anywhere. So in fact, they can only shoot from their stationary position, the coordinates of which are well known to everyone,

      Goofy, and where did they go these roads? I remember we had the farthest PUBSP was 110km from the hospital.


      The commander of the group is quite a rogue, although I became a senior member of the KG. I remember my first exit on the "single" almost lost, and then got another stuck for camouflaging and walking soldiers during the passage of the satellite
      The next movie from Teykovo sent to Alabino to prepare for the parade on its own

      Where have the roads gone in Siberia? In August of this year I was in Novosibirsk, Barnaul, Biysk, everywhere there are excellent roads.

    3. Rus2012
      Rus2012 6 November 2013 19: 05
      +7
      Quote: AlexA
      Colleagues, let's not overestimate the mobile capabilities of our soil systems of the Strategic Missile Forces. They are only mobile securities.

      Man, do not lay your speculation on anything not based here!
      My friend and colleague positioned areas and extension routes, training and combat, crawling along Plastunsky, on UAZs and a helicopter in the Irkutsk forests. So, I know what I'm writing about and don’t need la-la!
  27. Corsair5912
    Corsair5912 6 November 2013 17: 45
    +2
    American experts argue that a disarming strike against Russia by means of a non-nuclear global strike is impossible. The main problem is the timely detection of patrolling mobile ground-based missile systems deployed deep in our country. You need to track them in real time, and beat as accurately as possible

    After all, Russia, too, can deliver a disarming non-nuclear strike against the United States, since they will not even think of it.
    For this, it is not necessary to have high-precision weapons, it is enough to know the location of the main bases and communications.
    In war, it sometimes happens, as in hand-to-hand combat described by one of the practitioners without dans and belts:
    - "... I met with a judo master who had a third dan. It was on the street, not on the carpet. I brought my hands to his right sleeve and left lapel, he spread his arms to grab me, and I kicked him in the balls, he passed out for a few minutes. "
    1. IRBIS
      IRBIS 6 November 2013 18: 23
      +3
      Quote: Corsair5912
      - "... I met with a judo master who had a third dan. It was on the street, not on the carpet. I brought my hands to his right sleeve and left lapel, he spread his arms to grab me, and I kicked him in the balls, he passed out for a few minutes. "

      The comparison is not entirely correct, because, judging by the description of the fight, the type met with a sucker, who thought that he had a third dan in judo. Yes, and the guy is clearly "driving:" ... he spread his arms to grab me ... ", this is clearly not from the category of judo. Shoulder presses and waving hands are clearly not techniques. Never believe such descriptions.
      1. Corsair5912
        Corsair5912 6 November 2013 18: 31
        +2
        Quote: IRBIS

        The comparison is not entirely correct, because, judging by the description of the fight, the type met with a sucker, who thought that he had a third dan in judo. Yes, and the guy is clearly "driving:" ... he spread his arms to grab me ... ", this is clearly not from the category of judo. Shoulder presses and waving hands are clearly not techniques. Never believe such descriptions.

        You did not understand the main essence of the fragment.
        A real war with an equal opponent (and a weak one too) is different from the plans made by the Pentagon, just like a real hand-to-hand fight on the street, from sports on the tatami.
        The judo master was real with a black belt and the reception tried to apply the classic, Komi-kata.
        1. Ascetic
          Ascetic 6 November 2013 19: 20
          +5
          Quote: Corsair5912
          A real war with an equal opponent (and a weak one too) is different from the plans made by the Pentagon, just like a real hand-to-hand fight on the street, from sports on the tatami.


          For example, they have planned three waves. The first is for strategic objects of strategic nuclear forces of the higher educational institution. The second is for air bases, places of deployment of brigades, air defense systems, and so on. the third in cities and infrastructure, for example, in the first wave at Rybachy-12BB / 23 combat units were allocated to the second wave at military bases .. 3 units are allocated only to Pavlovskoye and Abrek Bay. And for everything else, usually 1 bb. The third wave is Vladivostok. 18 bb is allocated with a distance between aiming points of 750 meters. 3 pieces on the Big Stone and 1 BB on Korsakov. In just 3 waves of nuclear strike, 45 warheads are planned to be spent on Pacific Fleet targets.
          The US believes that to destroy Russia it will be enough:
          1 - 500 bb W-87 - all 500 ground MBR "Minuteman III" +
          2 - 220 bb W-88 - 1,1 rounds of "Ohio" class SSBN ammunition. This number of bb is half of all W-88 bb in stock. Therefore, the United States still has the same amount for repeated strikes. +
          3 - 569 bb W-76 - 3 "Ohio" class SSBN ammunition.
          As for the combat stability of our boats: it is planned that all submarines in the bases will be destroyed there. But all the boats that are guaranteed to be able to shoot back at sea will be destroyed. But they will be destroyed by Aegis when they finish bringing him to mind because they know the areas of military patrols, And also the hope for the Sivulfs.
          Poplars that are in the bases will be destroyed immediately. FIELD AND THEIR MORE THAN 25 PROCESS. special operations forces and the WTO.
          As a result of the estimated nuclear strike in the United States, it is expected that 8 to 12 million Russians will die. The total loss of the country's population should be from 11 to 17 million people.
          On a new strategy for the use of US strategic nuclear forces. The new strategy took effect in August 2013, and next year (probably before October 1), the Minister of Defense and Chairman of the Committee of Chiefs of Staff emergency plans and emergency plans will be finalized by the Commander of the Functional and Geographical Joint Commands, and plans for the use of nuclear weapons by the Commander of the USCS.
          link
          1. Pilat2009
            Pilat2009 6 November 2013 19: 32
            +1
            Quote: Ascetic
            The US believes that to destroy Russia it will be enough:

            How are they going to live in conditions of radioactive contamination? Is Chernobyl alone not enough?
            1. Ascetic
              Ascetic 6 November 2013 19: 45
              +1
              Quote: Pilat2009
              How are they going to live in conditions of radioactive contamination? Is Chernobyl alone not enough?


              I also wrote about this in detail. I will find a link in my comments. Sorry, there is no time later, look or send it in PM. Comments on the article "Is war with America possible?" link
          2. Onyx
            Onyx 6 November 2013 19: 34
            0
            Ascetic, are there any limitations on the agreements with us in terms of the areas of the PGRK combat patrol areas at present?
            1. Ascetic
              Ascetic 6 November 2013 19: 42
              +4
              Quote: Onyx
              Ascetic, are there any limitations on the agreements with us in terms of the areas of the PGRK combat patrol areas at present?


              There are no restrictions on START-3. No wonder McFall cried, you draw a circle with a number on each APU so that we don’t confuse which one ... Naturally it was sent by the forest ... Let them draw the epicenters of future death
              New joke from Michael McFaul
              1. Onyx
                Onyx 6 November 2013 19: 51
                +2
                Quote: Ascetic
                There are no restrictions on START-3. No wonder McFall cried, you draw a circle with a number on each APU so that we don’t confuse which one ... Naturally it was sent by the forest ... Let them draw the epicenters of future death

                Thank! McFaul read about these requests once. Quite mattresses are insolent with such offers.
              2. Realist58
                Realist58 6 November 2013 21: 06
                +2
                It is necessary to draw this on each PU; soldier
          3. Rus2012
            Rus2012 6 November 2013 19: 44
            +4
            Quote: Ascetic
            The new strategy took effect in August 2013

            ... I guess they think it's great ...
            But, our General Staff for this case probably has a plan of preventive action, something like "-30 minutes from their hour X" :)))
            Something similar - "Preemptive artillery offensive of the Red Army on the Kursk Bulge." So with this they need to be very careful and scrupulous, as if they themselves do not fall into their trap.
            And then they will end up in hell in completely indecent pants with bulging eyes from what they saw at the hour of waiting for maximum ecstasy. They do not like at all ...
            1. Ascetic
              Ascetic 6 November 2013 22: 08
              +3
              Quote: Rus2012
              But, our General Staff for this case probably has a plan of preventive action, something like "-30 minutes from their hour X" :)))

              We really have the first level of planning is when a strategic nuclear strike is planned for specific geographical purposes, seven people know no more. We can only guess about the nature of the tasks performed. The war should begin strictly according to the combat Charter of the Strategic Missile Forces, everything is scheduled there, but if it does not change the memory under the stamp of ss
  28. asbaev
    asbaev 6 November 2013 18: 11
    +1
    Do not relax.
  29. vladstro
    vladstro 6 November 2013 18: 19
    +5
    Well, let's say they destroyed our strategic nuclear forces with their non-nuclear strike (although this is fantastic) what further on the hammers and abrams deep into Russia? But you cannot track down reliable Kalashs and even RPGs, and you won’t destroy them with a missile, and they won’t shine in a land operation on such a territory, and I’m sure they won’t be enough for a long time. that all this nonsense, passed already.
    1. 11111mail.ru
      11111mail.ru 6 November 2013 19: 55
      -1
      Quote: vladstro
      in a land operation in such a territory, nothing shines on them

      Sure? The Berezovskys, Kozyrevs, Serdyukovs and other punks are not alone in the vastness of the country "where man breathes so freely." Khivi (volunteers) will always be found. Somehow, at one time, I was struck by a FACT: among the prisoners taken by our troops from Stalingrad to Morozovsk, a quarter were Russian-Soviet-former-our-compatriots, neither the Balts, nor the Westerners, nor the Caucasians, but the former OUR people. Here, recently we washed about the Day of National Unity. After all, there were two or three Poles there, but the assistants (pah-you, I apologize, Khivi again) were again compatriots, all so-called. SEMIBOYARSHINA in the forefront.
  30. Clueless
    Clueless 6 November 2013 18: 20
    +4
    People, when you discuss that this action is not feasible against us, do not forget that air defense is still being built around us, NATO is around. If all this is put together, it will turn out to be a rather not very pleasant picture
  31. Ihrek
    Ihrek 6 November 2013 18: 21
    +2
    Russia has been and is the main target for US missiles. McCain did not hold back even said that Russia is the main enemy of the United States. And their spirit will not be enough to attack, because Russia has something to answer. True, this ratio is where around 1:10. And they will attack when the ratio is at least 1: 100, naturally in their favor. To dismember Russia is the dream of them and its co-creators.
    1. Corsair5912
      Corsair5912 6 November 2013 19: 08
      +4
      Your data is clearly not true. The US has never had an advantage 10 times other than costs.

      Some indicators of the ratio of military potentials of Russia and the United States
      (as of the beginning of 2001)
      USA --- Russia --- USA / RF
      Population (million people) 282,1 --- 144,8 --- 1,95
      The number of men fit for military service (million people) 56 --- 30 --- 1,87
      Military budget (billion dollars) 292,3 --- 8,36 --- 35
      The number of regular armed forces (thousand people: 1365 ---- 1200 --- 1,14
      - ground forces 471 --- 400 --- 1,18
      534 Intercontinental Ballistic Missiles --- 756 --- 0,71
      Intercontinental bombers 190 --- 81 --- 2,35
      8876 Nuclear Ammunition --- 10000 --- 0,89
      Tanks 8300 --- 16000 --- 0,52
      Aircraft carriers 12 --- 1 --- 12
      1. 11111mail.ru
        11111mail.ru 6 November 2013 20: 15
        +1
        Tenfold? How did the artist Babochkin say in the old film? "Psychic, you say? Well, to hell with him, give psychic!" Let us also take into account NATO, former allies in the Warsaw Pact, former "Soviet people" from the sovereign, independent 14/15 now independent republics, the fifth column, drunk and nourished during the 20 years of "democratic reforms in Russia." Let's add the current youth (draft contingent), which will not fall on the embrasure for Chubais and S. Here, such a sad alignment comes out!
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  33. vladstro
    vladstro 6 November 2013 18: 36
    +1
    Well, air defense, well, NATO, Ducs and the French weren’t alone, and at 41, Hitler had allies, God forbid, we’ll fight off anything, at least this time everyone on the planet will die.
    1. 11111mail.ru
      11111mail.ru 6 November 2013 20: 00
      0
      Quote: vladstro
      beat off nothing

      It’s easier not to allow, that is, as they always called upon us in due time: it’s better to stay over so that you don’t get over later!
  34. WIN969
    WIN969 6 November 2013 18: 43
    +1
    It is necessary to build the BZHRK before it is too late.
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    1. andr327
      andr327 7 November 2013 09: 23
      0
      Yes, and how many Russian Railways will unfasten itself ???
      1. Manul
        Manul 7 November 2013 17: 24
        0
        It should be understood with respect to the appetites of Russian Railways. They still have to keep a football team. You’ll look at the BJRK and get a Messi. But for now, they’re only saving on the abolition of electric trains, poor people.
  36. stayer
    stayer 6 November 2013 18: 48
    +3
    Russia is the main goal. And since they now have no means to achieve their goals, it is not a fact that they will not appear in 15-20 years. Developments are leading. Therefore, Russia has this temporary reserve to create countermeasures, or something else. It is necessary to work, time to spare. It is impossible to believe that Russia is not a priority goal. As soon as they create and break through the plan, it will become a priority.
    1. 11111mail.ru
      11111mail.ru 6 November 2013 20: 02
      0
      Quote: stayer
      Need to work

      Here we have no disagreements with you!
  37. Onyx
    Onyx 6 November 2013 20: 02
    +2
    It is possible that the United States does not install anti-aircraft missiles (or not only anti-aircraft) at its missile defense facilities in Europe, but medium-range ballistic missiles. In this case, the flight time to the facilities in the European part of Russia will be a matter of minutes.
  38. Leshka
    Leshka 6 November 2013 20: 05
    0
    First of all, we need to create a deeply delimited system of pro, and secondly, we need to introduce hyper sound rockets into the tank, and this can affect amers and their ardent habits
  39. individual
    individual 6 November 2013 21: 03
    +3
    It is necessary to provide for not only external threats of attack, but also to protect oneself from internal carriers of capital and assets in foreign countries.
    I can’t believe that the elite whose families live and study in the West will protect our Russian interests.
    Let us recall France in 1940, when capital did not begin to fight Germany, but surrendered France to save its capital.
  40. jagdpanzer
    jagdpanzer 6 November 2013 21: 03
    +4
    probably have to build more submarines with nuclear weapons to revive the BZHRK, etc. Well, develop hypersound, in my amateurish opinion.
  41. Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 6 November 2013 21: 32
    +1
    The inflamed brain of the Pentagon warriors is looking for ways to achieve a global strategic advantage over Russia. Sure that Russian military thought does not stand still. And any crazy idea of ​​the Americans will be given an adequate answer.
  42. ed65b
    ed65b 6 November 2013 21: 47
    0
    Survived, okay before scarecrows even with vigorous stuffing were now just scared with trotyl, but poplar will leave at least 40 km in an hour, is that how it needs to be maneuvered by exhaust? Tuff article. let the DPRK scare. minus.
  43. okroshka79
    okroshka79 6 November 2013 21: 55
    10
    Dear discussion colleagues! In the comments, a lot of numerical and other comparative material Russia - the United States is presented, and the fastest of all is quite correct that exists in the public domain. But I think something else should be more important: the author of the article, based on his own analysis, made a conclusion from which one can relax, saying that there is nothing terrible for our country from the efforts of the Americans in the near future of 10-15 years. Something painfully familiar from our history: "... the armor is strong and our tanks are fast", "war with little blood on our territory", etc. What came out of this, history has shown. The nature of capitalism remains unchanged, Russia, as it was for many centuries a coveted prize for the conquerors, and remains today. Human nature has not become more humane, as we can see from all the local wars of the last decades. Therefore, unfortunately, our military science, the military-industrial complex, the level of combat and mobilization training, the endless "military reform", the economic collapse in the country, the growing NATO at the expense of our yesterday's allies in the Warsaw Pact, local wars on the approaches only exacerbate the emerging international situation around our country. Therefore, I think the conclusions of the article are erroneous and harmful. We need to prepare for war now, today, all the time - there is simply no other option. To fix urgently with all our efforts what we have lost over the past decades in maintaining our security
  44. Lukich
    Lukich 6 November 2013 22: 31
    0
    ... ten to fifteen years left ... still wait !!! ...
  45. wax
    wax 6 November 2013 22: 41
    0
    Do not forget Israel, which possesses all types of WMD.
    See also http://warfiles.ru/show-42021-evrei-v-vermahte.html
  46. Andrey Peter
    Andrey Peter 6 November 2013 23: 15
    0
    Quote: jagdpanzer
    probably have to build more submarines with nuclear weapons to revive the BZHRK, etc. Well, develop hypersound, in my amateurish opinion.

    I completely agree. Submarines are already under construction, if only there would be no more misses with the "mace". But in general, compare the territory of Russia with the United States and not only. Even if we take into account all the forces and possibilities, it is unlikely that we will not have the opportunity of an adequate strike. Setaki, not all positions are occupied by stools and the like, there are also patriots. By the way, do not forget that the United States has more problems with nuclear weapons than we do.
  47. Pesnyadv
    Pesnyadv 7 November 2013 07: 11
    0
    Quote: studentmati
    Quote: timer
    ... you need to come up with an inexpensive but effective technical answer.

    A very smart decision! good Give suggestions! I speak without any irony.


    So. Offhand ...

    - There is already a good road from Vladivostok to Chita and beyond. To organize a transport company or companies that would carry 40 tons or more trucks from Nakhodka, Wrangel, Vladivostok along this highway.
    And it will be beneficial for carriers. Since the Russian railway and 30% does not cover the demand. And you can’t always check what is crammed into these trucks.

    - Who has been to the Far East and Siberia knows how vast these forest expanses are. The forest just disappears on the vine. They cut down the forest mainly near roads, settlements.
    The Ministry of Defense takes forest plots for its needs and begins to develop. Such sites for years are cut. Under this, you can drag temporary devices cart and a small cart.

    - Northern Sea Route. Like railway devices to create ships, barges. And let them scurry along these sea "roads".
    Make the same devices for our rivers - Amur, Lena, Yenisei, Volga and so on ...

    - In the areas of mines on the path of the likely approach of missiles install terrestrial terrain changing devices. In the Second World War, it happened that we, that the Germans were hilling wood for days, were so skillfully executed and presented.
    Now in an hour or three you can not just inflate a bunch of hills, but really imitate it. And it can be not only inflatable!

    - In places of probable shelter or breakthrough of enemy submarines, create a system for deploying especially strong nets IMITATING fishing or "for scientific purposes" (not metal or with a minimum of metal). The goal is to immobilize the submarine and surface vessel. Not destruction, but immobilization. It will be SCARY to misinform the commander and the team.

    - To simulate a night village from a plane, drop flying lanterns ...
    The settlement moves above the ground (floating in the air ...) :)))

    - To think that the signal from the satellite would fall onto the mirror and then return from the mirror to the mirror to the satellite.

    I am not special in such matters. Know TTD, what you can resist and invent more :)))
    These suggestions are more out of the realm of fantasy.

    But Tselin was invented to cover the construction of Baikonur ...
    Now the task is no less ambitious and significant.
  48. 09061982
    09061982 7 November 2013 09: 32
    +1
    -GZLA - a deadly threat to the means of aerospace defense, since the flight altitude passes below the field of view of SPRN radars. Given the hypersonic speed of the GZLA, the means of radar detection and anti-aircraft missile defense systems for the reaction remain in minutes, if not seconds.
    - Hypersonic flying vehicles (GZLA) HTV-2 and AKShch can become the main and, probably, the only means of defeating the NBSU. The device is launched by the launch vehicle, reaches a height of several hundred thousand meters, is separated from the carrier and plans at hypersonic speed to the target.
    In my opinion, the author contradicts himself if a rocket reaches a height of several hundred kilometers, in my opinion it will be immediately noticed by our SPRN forces. Or am I not understanding something ???
  49. AlexA
    AlexA 7 November 2013 11: 17
    -2
    Quote: Ascetic
    Goofy, and where did they go these roads? I remember we had the farthest PUBSP was 110km from the hospital.

    Duck I just about it. Everything is beautiful on the maps. Only in our life in the Urals, for example, all bridges with a carrying capacity of up to 30 tons. And more. On a slope of 5% at 2-5 degrees with snow, any truck begins to scratch with all its wheels. And behind it is a traffic jam. So move along it "at a speed of 40 km / h", please. And if you do not disperse in advance along the prepared routes (when the Americans will kindly inform us of their "malicious" intentions), then in 30 minutes (while the ICBM is flying) you can just get from the current-current protective structures to the exit checkpoint. And non-nuclear weapons with satellite guidance (everyone saw this from the war in Iraq) in real time, any movement in general on the drum. I repeat once again: nothing more stable than well-protected OS has been invented. Everything else is from the evil one (more precisely, from Solomonov). How did he manage to screw everyone up? After all, the Americans back in the early 60s were counting all their "mobile" pribluda. And they refused.
    1. Ascetic
      Ascetic 7 November 2013 16: 29
      +1
      Quote: AlexA
      ... On a slope of 5% at 2-5 degrees with snow, any truck begins to scratch with all its wheels. And behind it is a traffic jam. So move along it "at a speed of 40 km / h",


      This is a ridiculous obstacle for the APU. In fact, this is a tank, but you need a competent and experienced mechanic. Shoigu recently looked at Interpolitech, our device (still raw) was satisfied, In general, the navigator enter the data of the unit tabarity.the turning radius. power and other things and he chooses for him all the valid routes from point to point. The only problem that was not solved is how to create a program algorithm that takes into account the current seasonal or climatic changes. Suppose a country road is passable for a passenger car in dry weather, and after rain it is better not to meddle. Our "Susanin" does not know how to do this yet.
    2. Rus2012
      Rus2012 7 November 2013 18: 24
      +2
      Quote: AlexA
      I’m just about that. Everything is beautiful on the cards. Only in life in our Urals, for example, are all bridges with tonnage up to 30.

      Those bridges that are needed along the route - all have a given lifting capacity (and they are, as it were, watched by the way). You don’t know much, therefore it is not necessary to throw amateurish questions ...
  50. AlexA
    AlexA 7 November 2013 11: 27
    0
    What could really be from a mobile is the Courier from the same Solomonov. But he was not even released at LCI in the early 90s. But this is a question: qui prodest?
    1. Ascetic
      Ascetic 7 November 2013 16: 35
      +2
      Quote: AlexA
      This is the Courier from the same Solomon.


      Not Solomonov, but Nadiradze, the Terms of Reference for the Courier was still written by my father's department on Tolubko's initiative as a response to the midgetman, the task was set in the shortest possible time. He himself does not remember exactly what year. Somewhere in the early 80s. Then Gorbach in 1991 "agreed with the Americans to stop the development of light-class mobile ICBMs and the Courier rested in Bose.